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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    June 2, 2007
    FBI Arrests More "Morons"

    Associated Press is reporting "Three people were arrested and one other was being sought Saturday in connection to a plan to set off explosives in a fuel line that feeds John F. Kennedy International Airport and runs through residential neighborhoods, officials close to the investigation said. The plot, which never got past the planning stages, did not involve airplanes or passenger terminals, according to the two officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because details of the arrests had not yet been announced."

    What? No airplanes? Only at the planning stages? One guy was a baggage handler?

    Sounds like another waste of government resources, right?

    Keith Olbermann dismisses terror threat against U.S. troops
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    John Edwards - "The War on Terror is a slogan designed only for politics, not a strategy to make America safe. It's a bumper sticker, not a plan."

    Can't wait to see the Olbyspin on this one if and when he comes back to work. All the networks are now reporting and the feds are confirming that their intention was to blow up the Jet Fuel tanks at JFK. One of the plotters is a former cabinet official in Guyana. Oh yeah, they were "low-level" alright.

    This is how the good ol' left wing ap reports terror threats. Not a single word about the fact they are muslims and the "article" even goes on to say they are "homegrown" which they WEREN'T! Unbeleivable.

    NEW YORK (AP) -- Three people were arrested and one other was being sought Saturday in connection to a plan to set off explosives in a fuel line that feeds John F. Kennedy International Airport and runs through residential neighborhoods, officials close to the investigation said.

    The plot, which never got past the planning stages, did not involve airplanes or passenger terminals, according to the two officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because details of the arrests had not yet been announced

    Prediction: Tony Soprano will be whacked by Islamic terrorists in the final episode and KO will criticize David Chase for scaring the public about the threat from the Islamists.

    David Chase and James Gandolfino: nefarious neocons?

    As if there were any other kind?

    Italian neocons (ahem) is a bit of a reach. But if anyone can over-reach, it's our boy KO.

    Umm, no name left this out:

    "At a news conference, U.S. Attorney Roslynn R. Mauskopf called it "one of the most chilling plots imaginable."

    "The devastation that would be caused had this plot succeeded is just unthinkable," she said."


    The old "Do as I say not as I do" standard?

    "I love when there is a terror plot foiled, it's somehow a defeat for the left."

    Aren't the lefties the same people who are constantly claiming that Bush is evil because he is taking a forward-leaning stance against internal and external threats - wiretapping, terror warning levels, indefinite detentions for terrorists in Gitmo - and that every terror arrest is somehow a joke because the threat was not serious and the people arrested were morons?

    Before posting on OW, I think you lefties need to identify which definition of terrorism you subscribe to...

    1) there are no terrorists, just freedom fighters
    2) there are no terrorists except Americans
    3) there might be terrorists but no terror plots
    4) there might be terror plots but no terrorists just "wannabe" terrorists.

    Choose one and then get back to us.

    "Choose one and then get back to us."

    For the lefties, it's all of the above.

    There's not much of a threat. Except Bush is causing the threat.

    Which doesnt' exist much.

    Except Bush is causing it with his actions.

    He's not protecting us.

    Except when the government stops these plots.

    Which are done by morons anyway.

    Unless if they suceed.

    Then, Bush failed us.

    To stop an attack from terrorists that don't really exist.

    Because they're a bunch of morons.

    Shorter version: Whatever happens, Bush is to blame.

    Someone posted a note below that a political observer stated that the Republicans in Washington fear their base because the base is angry while Democrats fear their base because their base is nuts.

    That's pretty damned on the mark.

    "If it's a terror plot IT HAS TO BE MUSLIMS, TO OUR VILLAGE IDIOT, RK !"

    No, it's probably Presbyterians.

    Moron.

    "Three suspects are in custody: Russell Defreitas, Kareem Ibrihim and Abdul Kadir. Another suspect, Abdul Nur is still at large."

    Let me guess, Irish Catholics? Remnants of the IRA?

    Members of a South American drug cartel?

    A Maoist group?

    Hmm, this is a tough one....

    "THE MUSLIMS ARE COMIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING!!"

    Displacement, n:

    "In psychology, displacement is a subconscious defense mechanism whereby the mind redirects affects from an object felt to be dangerous or unacceptable to an object felt to be safe or acceptable. For instance, some people punch cushions when angry at friends; a college student may snap at their roommate when upset about an exam grade.

    Displacement operates subconsciously and involves emotions, ideas, or wishes being transferred from their original object to a more acceptable substitute. "

    In practice, this means:

    Radical muslims (note: RADICAL): NO THREAT

    Bush, Republicans, neocons: THREAT

    It's easier to deal with the threat HERE then to deal with the threat from overseas that comes here.

    Because dealing with the perceived threat here (Bush) doesn't entail any risk. Indeed, attacking the threat here (Bush) leads to praise for engaging in dissent or for standing up for the "real America".

    However, taking action against the real threat entails danger and harm.

    It's easier to transfer the threat to one that entails no risk than to deal with the actual danger that can lead to harmful consequences.


    "The arrests mark the latest in a series of alleged homegrown terrorism plots targeting high-profile American landmarks.

    A year ago, seven men were arrested in what officials called the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago and destroy FBI offices and other buildings.

    A month later, authorities broke up a plot to bomb underwater New York City train tunnels to flood lower Manhattan."

    Yawn, big deal.

    But those abortion clinic bombers, now's THERE'S THE REAL THREAT.

    Even though there's been no bombings for nearly a decade.

    (and yes, they WERE a threat; but not any longer, thankfully)

    And six people were arrested a month ago in an alleged plot to unleash a bloody rampage on Fort Dix in New Jersey.

    'U.S. Attorney Roslynn R. Mauskopf called it "one of the most chilling plots imaginable."

    "The devastation that would be caused had this plot succeeded is just unthinkable," she said.'

    Yawn.

    Who cares. I'm safe in my basement on my computer.

    Unless they get me.

    Then Bush made them do it.

    Cuckoo, cuckoo, cuckoo.....

    On the plotters:
    "This is a very determined group. They engaged in precise and extensive surveillance, surveillance that included physical surveillance, photographic surveillance, video surveillance, even the use of the Internet to obtain satellite photographs of the JFK facility. They engaged in extensive conversations and international travel furthering and refining their conspiracy," an FBI spokesman said in a briefing.

    Yawn.

    Doesn't affect me. I don't care.

    Fascinating. Cox and Dollar chastise us that this is an Olbermann (hate) blog. Yet, we have this tidbit. To my knowledge, Olbermann has not said a word about this, he has not formed any thoughts about this, he may not have even heard about it. Surely you realize you are accomplish nothing other than enabling ill-informed bile-blowers like Brandon and Jeff? What is the point? What does this have to do with Olbermann? If you want to join in the fun, fine. I haven't any problem with that. Put spare the sanctimony of the purity of your intent.

    " Olbermann has not said a word about this, he has not formed any thoughts about this, he may not have even heard about it. "

    What is his record re his reporting and commenting on events such as these?

    It's not like there isn't documented evidence of his dismissing with a wave of the hand these type of arrests.

    If KO had NO record of sneering at these type of stories, your point would have merit.

    How do YOU think KO will report on this? Will he take it seriously or will he poo-poo it?

    I vote (b) dismiss it.

    Which is an odd approach to take for a "news anchor".

    Adam Goldman, AP:

    -- A suspected terrorist cell planned a "chilling" attack to destroy John F. Kennedy International Airport, KILL THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE and trigger an economic catastrophe by blowing up a jet fuel artery that runs through POPULOUS RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, authorities said Saturday.

    No big deal.

    American politics, c. 2007

    Republicans = incompetent idiots who recognize the danger (potential and real) from radical Islamists.

    Democrats = incompetent idiots who think there's very little if any danger (potential or real) from radical Islamists.

    Great choices we have.

    "You aint safe in your basement on your computer."

    Run, it's Bush!!! The neocons are coming, the neocons are coming.

    Pyschology: Displacement, n:
    "Displacement is a subconscious defense mechanism whereby the mind redirects affects from an object felt to be dangerous or unacceptable to an object felt to be safe or acceptable.

    Displacement operates subconsciously and involves emotions, ideas, or wishes being transferred from their original object to a more acceptable substitute. It is most often used to allay anxiety."

    Run, Bush is coming!!!! The neocons!!! Christians!!!! Halliburton!!! The military industrial complex!!! Big Oil!!! Big Tobaccoo!!!

    Radical Muslims? No problem. Yawn.

    Ok Royalfraud, name a better, more respected news service than the AP.

    Posted by: Why do care what my name is at June 2, 2007 3:18 PM

    Asswipe, Fox News had a 3 tier description of the terrorists. Guess what #1 description was? Muslim. They were ALL muslims. The ap refuses to print that little detail. They even lied and called them "homegrown!"

    "The plot posed no threat to air safety or the public, the FBI said Saturday."

    That's a pretty odd statement because it directly contradicts other statements by the agency.

    The FBI/prosecutors say the plotters planned on blowing up fuel lines that ran through neighborhoods. That would kill a lot of people, it seems to me, if they could pull it off.

    If that's not a threat then I have a different understanding of the word.

    Latest AP:

    "A suspected terrorist cell planned a "chilling" attack to destroy John F. Kennedy International Airport, kill thousands of people and trigger an economic catastrophe by blowing up a jet fuel artery that runs through populous residential neighborhoods, authorities said Saturday"

    The key question (or one of them) that remains to be resolved is how far along they were in enacting the plot.

    But to say that his plot was "no threat" is pretty odd.

    How do YOU think KO will report on this? Will he take it seriously or will he poo-poo it?

    ---

    One (1) of four (4) things will happen by Monday, 1900 Hours, US CDST:

    (1) The story will have been widely discredited.
    (2) Olbermann will refer to the incident in a manner befitting its importance.
    (3) Olbermann will pooh-pooh the story.
    (4) The identity of Mary Cheney's child's sperm donor will be known (Dennis Kucinich) and all the emphasis will be on that story.

    I can wait until that time.

    Still doesn't address my point, does it? The basic dishonesty of this site. The thrust is not to expose Olbermann, but to to support the Bush/RNC Propoganda Minsitry, FOX News. Olbermann is just a vehicle to that end, much as Rosie is, much as every White Girl Gone Missing is. You know, I have no problem about that. Just admit it.

    Look at ol' mexican patty, defending the terrorists tooth and nail. My prediction was right earlier, didn't take long for the olbyloons to defend and downplay the events. Sickening, to say the least.

    These plotters are morons.

    There's no danger.

    Let's wait until they start getting good.

    The ap refuses to print that little detail.
    ---
    Not everyone revels in his, her, its bigotry and racism as you do, Jeff. Thankfully.

    "The thrust is not to expose Olbermann, but to to support the Bush/RNC Propoganda Minsitry, FOX News."

    Ladies and gentlemen, Professor Backwards is visiting the site.

    Brilliant insight there, doc.

    By the way, you forgot to add "neocon" and "Halliburton" in that list.

    Earlier today, that noted fair and balanced MSBNC site had this as headlines:

    "Alleged terror plot...."

    I'm sure all the left nuts and KO don't believe anything was ever planned!

    "neocon" and "Halliburton"
    -----
    The Neocons have made such fools of themselves, I need do nothing more.

    As for Halliburton, I have no influence over UAE corporations.

    Not everyone revels in his, her, its bigotry and racism as you do, Jeff. Thankfully.

    Posted by: at June 2, 2007 4:44 PM
    So, fool. Is Fox News a racist and bigot because they reported they were muslim? Is that what you are saying?

    "I'm sure all the left nuts and KO don't believe anything was ever planned!"

    They believe that Bush knew about 9/11 ahead of time.

    Or that he personally knew that Iraq had WMDs.

    That, they'll believe.

    Plots from radical Islamists? Nah.

    It's all allegations trumped up by the rightwing noise machine.

    "Or that he personally knew that Iraq had WMDs."

    Correction: "had NO WMDs."

    Is Fox News a racist and bigot because they reported they were muslim?
    ---
    So clever the way you refuse to capitalize the "m", jeff.

    No, I doubt fox news is racist and bigoted. Just the people who watch fox news and believe what is being reported.

    The subject of your wildest fantasies, the big wiener is a racist and a bigot, however, and so are you.

    "We consider this plot to have been credible with an intent to commit acts of violence, but not yet fully operational," the official said..."

    Yes, we have to WAIT before they're actually carrying out the plot or plan before we need to worry about them.

    God help us if the leftwing moonbats ever run this country.

    If they do, there will be so many radical Muslims flying planes into buildings that they'll have to have their own airline.

    And the leftwingers will create a government program to help them buy one.

    Oy.

    The subject of your wildest fantasies, the big wiener is a racist and a bigot, however, and so are you.


    Posted by: at June 2, 2007 5:01 PM

    The first one to cry "racist" is usually the racist, in this case, that would be you.

    It's hysterical how the right wing almost has an orgasm every time there is a REPORT of a foiled plot.
    Considering how much this administration has lied to us over the past 6 1/2 years, they act like a bunch of stooges when they hear these reports.

    Posted by: Why do care what my name is at June 2, 2007 4:50 PM


    Goodness! You're a atupid idiot!

    One minute you're whining that the right views every foiled terrorist plot as a victory over the left and in the next minute you're doing your best to spin the news like it some sort of threat to the left.

    "The only time in history that terrorists flew planes into buildings happened on which president's watch ?
    Which party did he belong to ?"

    Ahh, but he and his party blames the Islamists for the act.

    The other party believes that Bush was in on the act.

    At least 60 (61%) of Democrats believe Bush knew about the plot or it's possible he knew.

    In other words, he was involved in the plot.

    One party recognizes that it was radical Muslims who did it.

    Not the Jews, not the neocons, not Halliburtion, not Mossad, not Bush.

    Radical Muslims.

    Until the OTHER party figures this out, it's quite dangerous to let them run this country's national security.

    61%?

    This moron is so easy to be put in his place, if I didn't know better, it must be Jeff.

    Posted by: Why do care what my name is at June 2, 2007 5:14 PM

    Unlike you, I use only one name and use it on every single one of my posts. Just because you use several different names as well as making "anonyloon" posts doesn't mean I do it. Got it?

    Why does it seem - to me at least - that every time we disrupt a terrorist attack here that some folks on the left get depressed?

    Or get very upset?

    Note: I said _some_, not all. I don't doubt for a second that 99.9% of people on the political left support arresting terrorists.

    But instead of saying, "Whew, good job", they always seem to be upset or sad.

    Very odd.

    I don't doubt, again, the patriotism of most people on the left. But some of you sure act like you're not always interested in this nation's security.

    If these thugs had been successful, a lot of innocent people would have been blown up or burned to death. Pretty horrible.

    AND THERE GOES PARANOID BOVINE, AGAIN!!!

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    Unlike you, I use only one name and use it on every single one of my posts. Just because you use several different names as well as making "anonyloon" posts doesn't mean I do it. Got it?
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    "THAT'S your interpretation of "some folks on the left" using the FBI and other sources to disprove how serious this threat was?"

    No, I'm basing it on comments here and at other leftist sites (DailyKOS, Democrat Underground, et cetera).

    And not just THIS threat but past ones. And not just threats, but actual attacks (Madrid, the London tube bombings).

    After those attacks, there were SOME (again, I'm not painting with a broad brush) who dismissed those events (real and interrupted).

    Look, I understand that to us, many of these individuals seem pretty pathetic. Not too smart (at least in terms of our ways of living), pretty unsophisticated.

    But the 9/11 hijackers weren't smart either. Some wanted to learn how to fly the planes during flight training but weren't concerned about takingoff or landing. That's pretty dumb.

    But despite their simple plans, they can be pretty dangerous.

    It just seems to me that a lot of folks on your side of the aisle just don't take the danger very seriously.

    Their words certainly give support for my contention.

    "THAT'S your interpretation of "some folks on the left" using the FBI and other sources to disprove how serious this threat was?"

    You select those FBI sources that mitigate that threat while ignoring other sources who express concerns about the seriousness of the threat.

    Why?

    It seems to me that you cherry pick stuff to support the view that the danger isn't that great.

    And it's done ALL THE TIME.

    And, excuse me, if this had been a group of radical anti-abortionists, I don't think you guys on the left would be so dismissive.

    Right?

    Mike, if you read this, I demand YOU PAY ME!!
    NOW!!
    CASH MONEY!! YOU LBRUL PRICK!!!

    I got Bovine off your back for posting *under some other 40 names, including your "anonyloon" posts.*.


    ROFLMAO!

    Olby never takes exception with his Islamist or Chavista pals. They hate George Bush, America and our troops, so they are golden in Olby's eyes. If he mentions the JFK plot and the Somalia strike (doubtful, at best), it will turn into a Bushbashfest, as it always does. Olby is consistent if not truthful.

    " got Bovine off your back for posting *under some other 40 names, including your "anonyloon" posts.*."

    Why anyone responds to SLOB or his other incarnations here is a mystery.

    He's pathetic.

    All day and night with the posts? EVERY day. Does he ever get out and see the sun?

    "Maybe I'm just following in your president's footsteps in the runup to the Iraq war."

    Right, ONLY Bush said that Iraq was a danger.

    It's not like Clinton (both of 'em) and Gore and Kennedy and Levin and Rockefeller and Albright and Berger and Durbin and on and on and on... didn't say much of the same things.

    The Democrats made speech after speech after speech on this.

    Remember, the 1990s? When Clinton was president issuing warnings about the threat from Saddam?

    I guess not.

    By the way, sources in the FBI and elsewhere also say the threat was more significant.

    You seem to select only those sources (in the FBI and elsewhere) that support the view that this was of little danger.

    You have that luxury (i.e., to dimiss the threat). The people protecting us don't have your luxury.

    If you're wrong, you can just say, "Oops". Or, more likely, "That damned Bush didn't protect us!!!"

    But they don't have that luxury. They have to pickup the bodies.

    Daughter of terrorist, "My father was arrested because he is muslim." The aclu is probably lined up outside the jail as we speak. "Here we go! Off to defend our enemy!" As they all chant in glee......

    The most obvious point here is that something was thwarted. Blowing things up usually involves some kind of danger, disruption, . . . . Because the plan didn't get far, people were doing their jobs. Hey AAP, do you think the plot for 9/11 was hatched and all preparations made after the election of Bush? Did it really matter who was President to them?

    "Because the plan didn't get far, people were doing their jobs."

    Exactly.

    To those dismissing this as being "sound and fury signifying nothing", when SHOULD the officials pick these people up?

    Seems to me that critics have the luxury of waiting while the people in the field don't have that benefit.

    Anyway, in a post 9/11 world I'd rather have them act too precipitately than too slowly.

    (and yes, the word is "precipitate" and not "precipitous"; that's our lesson for the day).

    Sources said the plot involved putting explosives inside the fuel pipeline but realized that "it was not technically feasible."

    Officials said the plot may also have included plans to hit the JFK terminal buildings and aircraft, in addition to the fuel lines.

    In discussing JFK airport as a target, Defreitas exulted over JFK airport’s symbolic importance, according to a U.S. Justice Department complaint:

    "Anytime you hit Kennedy, it is the most hurtful thing to the United States. To hit John F. Kennedy, wow .... They love John F. Kennedy like he’s the man .... If you hit that, this whole country will be in mourning. It’s like you can kill the man twice. "

    In a later recorded conversation with his coconspirators in May 2007, Defreitas compared the plot to attack JFK airport to the attacks on the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, stating, “even the Twin Towers can’t touch it,” adding that, “this can destroy the economy of America for some time.”

    Sources said the planning stages of the plot involved surveillance of JFK airport as well as scouting out US properties in Guyana for possible attacks.

    Aviation officials said there is no major threat to air travel related to this plot since it was caught in the developmental stages.

    One law enforcement official said: "[There was] credible intent to commit violence but it was not operational."

    Officials said the suspects never got hold of explosive devices.

    "This was the ultimate hand-and-glove operation between NYPD and FBI," said U.S. Rep. Peter King, a Republican from Long Island.

    The arrests mark the latest in a series of alleged homegrown terrorism plots targeting high-profile American landmarks.

    ***

    Part of the plan was not feasible, but part of it may have been. The reason why there was no threat is because people were doing their jobs.

    Al Qaida suspects sue Boeing, with ACLU's help

    http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2007/ss_terror_06_01.asp

    "That is big time news considering the Bush administration is indirectly responsible."

    Don't forget the Jews too. The plotters (at least one of them) also cited Israel as a justification for the plot.

    Geez, if the Jews are so smart and clever, why do we have to give them billions in aid every year?

    (sarcasm alert).

    WOW! A serious question!


    -------------------
    The most obvious point here is that something was thwarted. Blowing things up usually involves some kind of danger, disruption, . . . . Because the plan didn't get far, people were doing their jobs. Hey AAP, do you think the plot for 9/11 was hatched and all preparations made after the election of Bush? Did it really matter who was President to them?
    Posted by: at June 2, 2007 6:18 PM
    ------------------------------------------

    Hell yeah!.
    In this case, people (FBI, Homeland Sec.) were doing their jobs. As far back as 2006, and they didn't stop in '06. Because they were working to find bigger threats.
    CHEERS FOR THEM!!

    ---Hey AAP, do you think the plot for 9/11 was hatched and all preparations made after the election of Bush?----

    No.

    I don't think the terrorists of 9/11 were too concerned about weather a (R) or a (D) was in the White House. I think the investigations have shown that indeed this was a well planned operation, planned for years.
    Sadly, as the same investigations have shown, it landed on G.W. Bush.

    We can go on and on with hypothesis of
    "What would have Gore done?" and "How much blame should Bill and George share?"
    An academic exercise, but also a waste of time.

    Getting back to the "news."
    The FBI and Homeland Sec. finally decided to "break the news" they were investigating since 2006.

    Hmmmm... Why?

    Are you really that much of a conspiracy theorist?

    There are plenty of sources who would have broken the story. Doesn't it seem reasonable to break the story after the arrest of 3 and to get info out to find the 4th?

    Maybe a point you have not considered is why did Gore really lose? I mean why was it even close at all to set the whole recount issue into motion? I think because he did not have what it takes to win. Even with his popularity now, I don't see him being courted to the same intensity as Fred Thompson. Same with Kerry. Close but no cigar. He lacked something that enabled him to win the presidency. Bush had it, at both elections. If term limits were extended, woul he have made it to 3? No. But I think very few presidents would make a third term, even if it were allowed. Not with the divisive issues. People hate the war but don't want withdrawal. If Dennis Kucinich were prez, he would fund the immediate withdrawal.

    The first one to cry "racist" is usually the racist, in this case, that would be you.
    ---
    Snappy retort. Pick it up on the playground this week?
    ---
    "My father was arrested because he is muslim." The aclu is probably lined up outside the jail as we speak. "Here we go! Off to defend our enemy!"
    ---
    According to your great President, the Commander-in-Chief who devised this brilliant Occupation plan, the enemy is Radical Islamo Fascists, not Muslims. If you put me in a position where I have to believe Bush or you, I'll be in a quandry. I thought you both spoke with one tongue, one voice. Are you contradicting the President? Are you a traitor?
    ---
    Unlike you, I use only one name and use it on every single one of my posts. Just because you use several different names as well as making "anonyloon" posts doesn't mean I do it. Got it?
    ---
    Don't take up lying, Jeff. Idiot snitches make terrible liars.

    Oops, forgot to say that Kucinich will never be prez even though he has held a consistent position from which he never waivered as all have. (One with which I disagree). He does not have what it takes to hold the office.

    Another error- Kerry lacked something TO enable him to win...

    I see KO's terrorist-loving Liberal fan base is out in force today. They want us to believe the people arrested today weren't dangerous in the least. They obviously believe that anyone attempting to plot a terrorist attack on American soil (or anywhere else) should be patted on the head and praised. I'm sure we can expect more from Olby on Monday (if he shows up for work).

    Brandon,

    Remember the spiked Iranian hostage crisis? If he can't come up with a spin, it never happened, or it is so irrelevant that Paris Hilton seems much more newsworthy.

    True, if Olbermann can't spin a story he simply pretends it doesn't exist. By the way, this is what the libeal-loving NY Times said about the planned attack. Read carefully children, you may learn something.


    4 Men Charged in Plot to Blow Up Kennedy Jet Fuel Tanks
    By WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM
    Federal prosecutors in Brooklyn charged today that a retired cargo worker at Kennedy International Airport plotted with a former member of the Guyanese Parliament and two other men to blow up terminal buildings, fuel tanks and the network of fuel pipelines that run beneath the airport complex.

    Three of the four men, including the former airport worker and the former Parliament member, were arrested today and Friday by agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation and police detectives, the authorities said. The fourth man was being sought, and officials said additional people may face charges.

    The airport worker, Russell Defreitas, 63, through the assistance of the member of Parliament, Abdul Kadir, was in the process of seeking the financial backing and blessing of a Trinidadian terrorist group, Jamaat Al Muslimeen. The group was behind a failed 1990 coup attempt in that country, officials said.

    Several law enforcement officials said that there had been no direct threat to the airport, which handles an average of 1,000 flights a day and 45 million passengers a year, and that Mr. Defreitas, a United States citizen who was born in Guyana, and his co-conspirators had yet to obtain financing or explosives.

    But the officials said Mr. Defreitas, who had long worked at the 4,930-acre airport, developing a thorough knowledge of its layout and its vulnerabilities, sought an attack that he said, according to secretly recorded conversations, would result in “the destruction of the whole of Kennedy,” an attack that only a few people would survive.

    In addition to a huge loss of life — “even the twin towers can’t touch it,” he said of the plot — the attack would devastate the United States economy and strike a deep symbolic blow against a national icon, President John F. Kennedy.

    “Anytime you hit Kennedy, it is the most hurtful thing to the United States,” he said in one of dozens of conversations secretly recorded during the 18-month investigation. “To hit John F. Kennedy, wow.... They love John F. Kennedy like he’s the man ... If you hit that, this whole country will be in mourning. It’s like you can kill the man twice.”

    The officials said that Mr. Kadir, on the other hand, emphasized the goal of causing economic damage, and seemed to seek to minimize the killing of innocent men and women.

    But a spokesman for Buckeye Partners, the company that operates the pipeline, said that an explosion at a fuel-tank farm at the airport would not ignite the pipeline.

    “It’s not like the pipeline is a stick of dynamite and the whole thing would blow up,” said Roy Haase, the Buckeye spokesman. “Pipelines don’t blow up.”

    The secretly recorded conversations were described in an indictment unsealed today in Federal District Court in Brooklyn charging Mr. Defreitas, Mr. Kadir and the two other men, Kareem Ibrahim and Abdel Nur, with conspiring to blow up the airport, charges for which they could face life in prison if convicted.

    The charges were announced at a news conference at F.B.I. headquarters in New York by the head of the bureau’s New York office, Mark J. Mershon; the city’s police commissioner, Raymond W. Kelly; Roslynn R. Mauskopf, the United States attorney in Brooklyn; and other officials.

    Mr. Mershon said, “The enforcement action that was taken today was done to prevent a terrorist plot from maturing into a terrorist act.”

    Mr. Defreitas, who lives in Brooklyn, was arrested at a diner on Linden Boulevard in Brooklyn about 10 p.m. Friday. Mr. Kadir and Mr. Ibrahim were arrested earlier in Trinidad.

    Mr. Kadir had been detained after boarding a flight on Aeropostal, a Venezuelan airline, which was to go Caracas, an official briefed on the arrest said today. The flight between Port of Spain and Caracas, which usually takes less than an hour, had taken off and was told to return to Trinidad, the official said.

    “The devastation that would be caused had this plot succeeded is just unthinkable,” Ms. Mauskopf said. “The charges that were filed today give you a window into how these plots come about, how these plots are developed, how these plots have international connections, how this particular one spread from the United States, Brooklyn, New York, through Queens, J.F.K. Airport, abroad into Guyana and Trinidad.”

    The officials described an investigation that began in January and included an undercover F.B.I. informer, who was introduced to Mr. Defreitas early in planning of the attack and who traveled to Guyana and Trinidad with him in an effort to win support for it, officials said.

    The informer secretly recorded “numerous” conversations, and one law enforcement official said there was also “all sorts of electronic surveillance” of the suspects.

    Mr. Kelly said that the pipeline that carried fuel to the airport “is indeed the feeding tube that nourishes international commerce” at Kennedy and La Guardia Airports. He said the police had increased their surveillance of the pipeline and storage facilities and conducted a survey to gauge their vulnerability.

    The conspirators dispatched Mr. Defreitas from Guyana to conduct photo and video surveillance of the airport four times in January, officials said. Using his knowledge of the airport, he picked out targets, identified escape routes and evaluated security.

    The men also used the Internet to find satellite photographs of the terminal, the officials said.

    One law enforcement official played down Mr. Defreitas’s skills as a terrorist, calling him “a sad sack” and “not a Grade A terrorist.”

    But he noted that his efforts to solicit the backing and blessing of Jamaat Al Muslimeen, which conducted a deadly attack on Trinidad’s Parliament during a failed coup attempt in 1990, could have had devastating consequences.

    “They didn’t have the money and they didn’t have the bombs, but if we let it go it could have gotten there — they could have gotten the J.A.M. fully involved, and we wouldn’t know where it could have gone,” the official said.

    Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg issued a statement today saying: “The fact that plotters conspired to plan an attack on John F. Kennedy Airport is another reminder that in today’s world we face constant threats from people who want to take away our freedoms and destroy our way of life. Working together, NYPD and other local and federal law enforcement agencies have been on top of this unfolding plot for months, and they deserve our thanks and praise. This plot was only in its planning stages and at no point was anyone in imminent danger. New Yorkers should be comforted that the layers of safety provided by counterterrorism officials stopped these individuals before they could do any harm to our way of life.”

    Mr. Defreitas was arraigned today in a brief proceeding before United States Magistrate Judge Kiyo A. Matsumoto, who ordered him detained pending a bail hearing.

    Before the arraignment, a somber Mr. Defreitas walked slowly into the courtroom, his face drawn, wearing a greenish-brown knee-length tunic and loose-fitting pants. The two prosecutors handing the case, Assistant United States Attorneys Jeffrey H. Knox and Marshall L. Miller, argued that he should be beheld without bail.

    “He is the self-proclaimed brainchild of an elaborate plot to blow up J.F.K. airport,” Mr. Knox told the judge. “His stated goal was to kill as many people as possible. The defendant also showed the determination and commitment to turn this plan into a reality.”

    Mr. Defreitas’s court-appointed lawyer, Drew Carter, said that there was more to the case than meets the eye. “There’s a lot more to the story,” he told Judge Matsumoto. “I don’t want to get into this now, because it’s not a trial. “

    Judge Matsumoto scheduled the hearing for Wednesday.


    ---Are you really that much of a conspiracy theorist?---

    No, BUSHWIPES.

    The point is that the authorities had these morons under watch longer than one year. Fine. They (FBI, Homeland Sec.) were doing a great job.

    OWWWWH!! SHIET!!

    Now they (FBI, Homeland Sec.) NEED a press conference to announce *breaking news*?

    That's the funny part.


    Let me repeat.

    Kudos! Cheers! High Fives! to the officials in charge of USA safety, because the system now works.
    However, they (FBI, Homeland Sec.) could have quietly picked up these morons without a news conference.

    A news conference on Saturday over 3 or 4 muslim morons they had under watch for over 1 year?

    Puuuleeeze!

    Hey Name--what part of the following don't you understand exactly?

    "The airport worker, Russell Defreitas, 63, through the assistance of the member of Parliament, Abdul Kadir, was in the process of seeking the financial backing and blessing of a Trinidadian terrorist group, Jamaat Al Muslimeen. The group was behind a failed 1990 coup attempt in that country, officials said.

    Several law enforcement officials said that there had been no direct threat to the airport, which handles an average of 1,000 flights a day and 45 million passengers a year, and that Mr. Defreitas, a United States citizen who was born in Guyana, and his co-conspirators had yet to obtain financing or explosives.

    But the officials said Mr. Defreitas, who had long worked at the 4,930-acre airport, developing a thorough knowledge of its layout and its vulnerabilities, sought an attack that he said, according to secretly recorded conversations, would result in “the destruction of the whole of Kennedy,” an attack that only a few people would survive.

    In addition to a huge loss of life — “even the twin towers can’t touch it,” he said of the plot — the attack would devastate the United States economy and strike a deep symbolic blow against a national icon, President John F. Kennedy."

    It is not the President to whom I was referring. Just hard-working Americans. Why should the story be hidden? Would you rather see round the clock coverage of Paris Hilton to see when she reports to jail?

    Let's just say that the arrests were made with no public announcement. You would find fault with that. Secret arrests, blah blah blah

    "You people are so fucking hard up for something, anything that is good news from your president that you foam at the mouth over this story."

    Sorry if breaking up a terrorist plot ruins your day.

    Just keep thinking evil sick thoughts.

    That'll make you better.

    Loser.

    The liberals complain bitterly when Paris and Nicole and Lohan are in the news, claiming it's all a sinister plot by the "corporate-owned media" (which their beloved Olby works for) to keep the "real news" out of the headlines. Suddenly, all the news networks are covering this terrorist plot, designed to kill thousans of Americans, on a scope beyond 9/11, and what are they bitching about? That it's a non-story. That in a nutshell is the Olbypocrisy mindset at work for you.

    Brandon, the NYT, CNN and NBC Nightly are going to great lengths to discredit the plot. Their libnut leanings are showing. Perhaps they miss the point that federal authorities uncovered the plot and found the alleged plotters. If the suspects had come to the conclusion that a pipeline bombing was infeasible, then they could have plotted another scenario. DUH!

    Cheney didn't hold an immediate news conference when he accidentally shot his friend. So, I guess a terror plot foiled should not have been placed in the spotlight either.

    "Let's just say that the arrests were made with no public announcement. You would find fault with that. Secret arrests, blah blah blah "

    Exactly.

    FBI and officials make no announcement and it'll be: "Bush is secretly taking innocent Muslims" and "Why didn't they tell the public!!"

    Y'know, when Bush leaves office, these knuckleheads will have to find a new cause to live for. Gonna' be tough to deal with.

    My guess is that 10 years from now when they get a flat tire or get crabgrass in their yards, they'll be yelling, "Bush!! Damned you again!!!"

    Wow. BDS indeed.

    Hey What Do You Care and/or Bob,

    You like to cut and paste. I won't burden the site so here is the link. Olby never covered one story like this. I suppose you'll say that Sergeant Larsen has to write stuff like this to ensure his future pension. My bad. (FYI- part of the article explains that Baghdad never had 100% electricity under Saddam. He even used electricity as reward/punishment. The system needs a total rehaul).

    Surge improves security, quality of life in Baghdad
    Saturday, 02 June 2007
    By Master Sgt. Dave Larsen
    1st Cavalry Division Public Affairs

    http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12130&Itemid=1

    Same selective memory that denies the majority of the democratic party's vote in September of 2002?

    Do you deny what is in the article? Oh I forgot. You support the troops, the ones who agree with you. To hell with the others.

    You both like to cut and paste. The "and" is applicable.

    Throw your support behind Kucinich. He'll fund the immediate withdrawal of troops.

    There are those soldiers who hold the opinion of Vote.vets and those who don't.

    Here's some "good" news for the lefties saddened over today's disruption of the terrorist attack.

    Rather lengthy link:
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070602/ap_on_re_mi_ea/palestinians_broadcasters_threatened;_ylt=Ar2FuBPeaBMjMsI5LTe5O9NvaA8F

    The story is about radical Islamists in Gaza who threaten to cut off the heads of female news anchors if they don't wear Islamic dress and clothing.

    I apologize that they haven't actually killed them yet. So, it's not all a complete laugh and giggles story for you. Although you'll like it anyway.

    But if you wish real hard, maybe they'll do it!!

    Then, you can be happy again.

    And Bush is to blame because he caused the strife between the various Palestinian factions.

    Cheers you crazy kids you!

    So how the hell would Olbermann know anything about Iraq since he hasn't been out of the United States--in forever? He doesn't do reporting from the field unless it involves a baseball field or a chance to score with a Porn Star or some barely legal fan. And yet you proclaim him to be the Edward R. Murrow of his generation. Based on what exactly? Because he shares in your intense hatred of Bush? I wouldn't even be so sure of that. I think that Olbermann's act is just that, an act. This is a guy who was claiming as recently as 2005 that he'd vote for Guiliani (although he also claims he never votes). And all of a sudden he's the new savior of the liberal leftist wing? Sounds like a very cold, calculating career move to me. And congrats to him, it's worked, kinda, sorta, if you ignore his perpetual position millions behind Fox News. By the way, the embeds for CNN have stated that they believe a complete withdrawal of American troops would be disastorous for not only Iraq but for the entire region. I guess once again the Olbyloons are cherry-picking which embeds they want to listen to. Please, educate yourself and do it at some other source than a liberal blog or Olbermann's "talking points for the radical left" joke of a television show.

    The soldiers have no choice in the surge. Telling them their fight is useless, means nothing, is doomed to fail does nothing for them. If a soldier wants to post positive news on Operation Iraqi Freedom, let him. If he wants to believe, let him. Till September. Before then, Bush will play chicken with the veto and keep winning the fight. Nothing you say will change that. Why not let them feel good about what accomplishments they have been able to bring about? You argue but more will die if the surge continues. It is going to continue. Face it. Vote Kucinich. He will fund withdrawal.

    Cnn to name one. Now you don't have to wait.

    "Vote Kucinich. He will fund withdrawal."

    Sorry, this doesn't make sense.

    A "President" Kucinich can't fund anything.

    Only Congress can fund government operations.


    All of the news organizations have embedded reporters embedded providing reports. Who provides the best comprehensive coverage? It depends on your point of view. Olby has not been there. He doesn't speak live to people there (that I have seen), but shows regurgitated NBC reports always negative.

    How about this:

    Military Families Voice for Victory is comprised of families of our Military We are non-partisan, non-political but we voice opinions of support or failure in regards to any individual politician, political party or media service.


    We believe that radical groups who use the means of terror to attack our country’s infrastructure and freedom are a real threat. We support our troops and their mission as they fight to protect our safety and freedom and we recognize the need to speak out on the home front.


    Our goals:


    1. Offer a consortium of families who are available to speak to the News Media.
    2. To provide a platform that will allow publication of News Releases to be put forth as a counter for groups who are speaking out with a political agenda.
    3. Maintain a research base that will allow formation of talking points when speaking with the media.
    4. To become a platform that will allow coalition troops families and those from countries liberated to speak out and have opinions placed in our public web site.
    5. We are not associated with any Congressionally Chartered Veterans group we speak only for ourselves. .
    6. We do encourage members to voice complaints against politicians who are using our troops in a negative manner as means for a political agenda
    7. Voice support of groups or politicians who strive to uphold the United States Constitution.
    8. Educate the public about radical groups and countries who use terrorism as a weapon.
    9. Educate the Public about the importance of supporting our troops by supporting laws which help protect our country.

    "Support the Troops and Their Mission Weekend"
    Will Spread Message of Victory-Not Retreat-in the Global War on Terror

    Washington, DC-Military supporters from around the country will gather in support for the Second Annual Support the Troops and Their Mission Weekend in Washington, D.C. from September 22-23, 2006. The grassroots effort by military family members, veterans and other patriotic Americans will honor and celebrate the progress made by the men and women defending our nation in the Global War on Terror.

    Events will begin on the morning of Friday, September 22 as supporters visit congressional offices to encourage congressional members to support America\'s efforts to defeat violent Islamic fascism in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world. That evening, at 7 p.m. supporters will gather at the main gate to Walter Reed Army Medical Center, 7200 Georgia Ave., NW, Washington, D.C., in a show of appreciation for the sacrifices made by wounded soldiers and their families to protect Americans from terrorism. The gathering that evening will mark the 75th consecutive Friday of the Walter Reed troop support gathering.

    The Support the Troops and Their Mission Rally will be held on Saturday, September 23 from noon to 3 p.m. at the Sylvan Theater on the grounds of the Washington Monument. The speakers will feature Gold Star and Blue Star family members, as well as veterans and other notables. The theme of the rally will be victory in the Global War on Terror.

    To date, confirmed speakers include:

    o Larry Schweikart – co-author of Patriots History of the United States
    o Mychal Massie - Project 21
    o Richard August - father of Cpt Matthew J. August, KIA 1/27/04, Iraq
    o Capt. Larry Bailey, USN Ret. – Vets for the Truth
    o Ray and Becky Davis - Military Families Voice of Victory
    o Diana Irey - Washington County Commissioner, Pennsylvania
    o Nikki Mendicino - POW/MIA activist
    o Kevin Martin - veteran, USN
    o Eve Tidwell - God Bless Ft. Benning
    o Frank Schaeffer – co-author of AWOL, author Faith of Our Sons-a Father\'s Wartime Diary
    In the wake of the September 11th five-year anniversary, it is important that service men and women and their families are given the support, appreciation and gratitude they deserve.

    The rally is organized by FreeRepublic.com, Military Families Voice of Victory and Protest Warrior.

    Organizer of the weekend - Kristinn Taylor of FreeRepublic.com has two family members in the military who have served on the frontlines in the GWOT. Becky Davis of Military Families Voice of Victory, has three sons who have also served on the frontlines in the GWOT.


    To schedule Kristinn Taylor or Becky Davis for an interview, please contact Kristen Schremp at Kristen@kaspublicity.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it or 703.928.5527. For general information, please go to http://www.supportthetroopsweekend.org

    Kristen Schremp
    President
    KAS Publicity LLC
    703.928.5527
    kristen@kaspublicity.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it
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    I thought Congress and the American people want the troops out but the prez is hindering that? A new prez, get what the people want, right?

    "But here's a glaringly obvious one, to start: there just aren't enough military doctors to go around. So many MDs have been deployed to war zones that coverage back home -- for military family members, retirees, and garrisoned troops -- has been spread awfully thin."

    http://blog.wired.com/defense/2007/03/like_the_washin.html


    Draft cee! Please jon my efforts to get Dr. cee - self-proclaimed medical professional - to enlist in the military to help relieve the stresses being imposed on our troops by a severe, chronic shortage of people with his particular skill-set, namely doctors.

    Even he is not really a real doctor -perhaps only an Agape chiropractor or Dominionist faith-healer - his enlistment, and that other able-bodied war-supporters at OW, would allow some of the troops he piously claims to honor to get some relief from their protracted ordeal. Anyone watch 60 minutes last week? - the Iowa National Guard story? All those families strung along on and on with tour extension after tour extension being sprung on them...its tragic.

    I'm trying hard to get them and all of their fellows brought home, but that doesn't seem to be working to well, given the intractibility of the president; the slavish devotion to his dictates from his base, and the cowardly disunity of the Democrats.

    So I'm asking those of you (particularly Dr. cee) who think this war is great - that its well worth the disruption of military families and the maiming and death of our soldiers -to finally step forward and display the strength of your convictions. Enlist and help to give overdue relief to the troops that you sent into harm's way.


    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at June 2, 2007 3:58

    Kucinich will fund the war in that sense, i.e., will not veto legislation funding the withdrawal of troops. (from 9:35)

    "Marine Cpl. Adam Kokesh had already received an honorable discharge from active duty before he was photographed in March wearing fatigues — with military insignia removed — during a mock patrol with other veterans protesting the Iraq war."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070602/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/military_protest_hearing;_ylt=AqI4gDmJKBfTNh_RP_CM41Cs0NUE


    But now Kokesh is threatened with a dishonorable discharge! His insignia were removed, he was just wearing clothes. But he was speaking the truth and is being persecuted for it. Even the VFW leadership is calling foul; they'd better look out or Bushco will come after them.

    " the left wants us to fight terrorism as much as anyone, we just want it done LEGALLY without the Constitution being subverted."

    Newflash Einstein, under the Constitution the President has the power to act on his own authority as a co-equal branch of government in certain areas such as in his role as commander-in-chief, putting down rebellion or public disorder, national security, etc. The Congress, also a co-equal branch of government also has certain powers. Between them they sort things out with the judiciary serving as referee (at least since Marbury v. Madison).

    Now perhaps you can tell me what "illegal" things were done by President Bush?

    Wiretapping? Bush authorized it; Congress authorized it.

    Processing prisoners in Gitmo? Bush authorized a process, the court held that it was up to the Congress to establish the process, Congress did establish a process.

    Habeus Corpus? Bush authorized picking up terrorists outside the U.S. and not granting them rights under U.S. law. Congress passed a law ratifying what Bush had done.

    This is how our government works...The President is the executive precisely so he can respond quickly to threats; the law is ultimately decided by Congress which has often, in times of war, ratifying actions of the President ex-post facto.

    Read your history books and get a clue.

    "Kucinich will fund the war in that sense, i.e., will not veto legislation funding the withdrawal of troops. (from 9:35)"

    Hmm, but he doesn't need the approval from Congress (i.e., funding legislation) to remove the troops. And funding a withdrawal is not "funding the war".

    It's called a retreat. Surrender. We give up. Al-qaeda wins. We lose.

    Anyway, Kucinich would be Commander-in-Chief and therefore could order the troops to leave Iraq. Whether additional or separate funds would be needed to retreat would be a separate issue, I guess.

    In my opinion, surrendering is not a wise choice. Not for the Iraqi people, not for the anti-Islamist forces in the Middle East and not for us.

    "Habeus Corpus? "

    But Bob, KO told us that Bush killed our habeas rights.

    That is, all American citizens. Not just enemy alien detainees/combatants.

    All of our habeas rights are gone! Bush could order anyone to be picked up at any time and the government will never have to go before a magistrate to show that the pereson is being lawfully held.*

    (*Even though the specific legislation on this issue SPECIFICALLY says that it only affects aliens and NOT Americans or those living here legally).

    And KO is never wrong.

    I agree with you Ohboy (I wrote about Kucinich). The point is that they won't actually support the only one who holds their point of view (who has never supported the war and wants immediate withdrawal). There is no question that funds are needed to withdraw. Kucinich has said that the money is in the pipeline; it just needs directed for withdrawal. I am not advocating for him. I haven't seen him for awhile but he stated that on Cavuto not that long ago.

    And I love when there is a terror plot foiled, it's somehow a defeat for the left.

    I personally want BETTER national security, and more money spent in that area. Unfortunately with so much of our money going down that black hole known as Iraq, there is not a high enough priority put on guarding our border, airports, nuclear facilities etc.

    Posted by: Why do care what my name is at June 2, 2007 3:09 PM


    One minute you're whining that the right views every foiled terrorist plot as a victory over the left and in the next minute you're doing your best to spin the news like it some sort of threat to the left.

    Posted by: Cecelia at June 2, 2007 5:15 PM


    And please show me how I said or implied that the supposed terror plot was a "threat to the left".

    Posted by: Why do care what my name is at June 2, 2007 5:23 PM

    Y'know, when Olbermann leaves Countdown, these knuckleheads will have to find a new cause to live for. Gonna' be tough to deal with.

    My guess is that 10 years from now when they get a flat tire or get crabgrass in their yards, they'll be yelling, "Olbermann!! Damned you again!!!"

    Wow. ODS indeed.

    All day and night with the posts? EVERY day. Does he ever get out and see the sun?
    Posted by: Ohboy at June 2, 2007 5:58 PM

    Do You?

    Average Clinton C**k Sucker

    The new Bill Clinton dildos are commmmmmmmmmming!!!!!

    BUSHWIPES BUSHWIPES BUSHWIPES

    I brought home extra cheeseburgers from 'White Castle'

    I didn't give any to my mom.

    BUSHWIPES BUSHWIPES BUSHWIPES

    I'll cut and paste all day!!!!!!!!!

    In my parents basement!

    I even got a laptop my best customer gave me from out back in the nudie booth place!!!!!!

    BUSHWIPES BUSHWIPES BUSHWIPES

    I serviced 37 A.C.L.U. lawyers the other night!!!!

    Keith said he didn't swing that way

    BUSHWIPES BUSHWIPES BUSHWIPES

    Meanwhile in New Jersey:

    Sources say Jim "Knees" Mc Greevey, the former N.J. Gov-turned Episcopalian seminarian and future Revererend of the Roadside Rest Stops, was confused about what to do with his Memorial Day weekend. He didn't know whether to read scripture, visit the bustling New Jersey Turnpike rest stops, or do some Fleet Week sightseeing in New York.

    Nuke Iran, invade Turkey, boycott France?

    Thank you BUSHWIPES!

    Posted by: Average American Patriot at June 3, 2007 1:04 AM

    Here's ol' mexican patty "scouring" the internet for Bush hit pieces. What do ya know, the ap comes through for him, again. Living up to his olbyloon status. Don't change! Thanks Bob! Let's see, he's below average, he's not American and he's not a patriot. Ironic? Indeed.

    Keith is a very feminine man. Keith appeals to the very feminine side of our culture, liberal males being a large part of that demo.

    Anyone who types "LOL" on this site is a juvinile for sure and quit possibly an idot. Dude....not cool! Dude....BUSHWIPES= STUPID! If you are out of highschool give up your position as class dork. You are with adults here.....act like one. Don't be stuck on "dork" all your life......its not cool. But then again a "dork" trying to act "cool" is still a "dork".

    If we did a screen for lunatics, AAP would never be able to post again.

    Okay, a vain attempt to get the conversation back on track...

    Words cannot express how overjoyed I am that these suspected terrorists were caught before they could do any damage...

    But tell me exactly what our invasion and occupation of Iraq had anything to do with protecting us from this threat.

    Iraq is NOT the center point in the war of terror, despite our attempts to make it so.

    The US military would have to be in the Mideast at some point, now or in the future to secure the worlds oil AND keep the peace. Did you read what the leader of Iran said today, and everyday? He wants to wipe nations of the face of the earth!!!!!!!! The US military is already there and will be there for as far into the future as the eye can see. Oops here comes the boss, got to setem up.

    "But tell me exactly what our invasion and occupation of Iraq had anything to do with protecting us from this threat."

    Obviously, this has absolutely nothing to do with it, as you imply! Also, The foiling of domestic terror plots have nothing to do with who is president, or which party is in power either....which is something you would never deduct from all the chatter that occurs from the right every time it happens.

    "The US military would have to be in the Mideast at some point, now or in the future to secure the worlds oil AND keep the peace."

    WHEN exactly are they going to start doing either one?

    Iraq is NOT the center point in the war of terror, despite our attempts to make it so.

    Unfortunately, it's important NOW.

    We can debate what the "center point" is; or whether there is one since the threat is much more diffuse now.

    Iraq is certainly considered by a number of experts as critical in defeating radical Islamists - whether they are al-Qaeda or loosely affiliated groups.

    If one wishes to dismiss those experts, of course, is one's own decision.

    As the Clinton Administration noted, Iraq was one of the world's leading state sponsors of terrorism. The fact that we now know (or think we know) that they were not directly tied to al-Qaeda does not, of course, mean that Saddam wasn't supporting other terrorist groups that threatened us and our allies.

    But it's clear to me that a precipitate withdrawal from Iraq leading to a collapse of the central government there would only be disastrous for the US.

    It's also clear to me, from that, that those who say we need to "end the war" in Iraq by leaving seem to ignore the fact that the conflict will NOT end with our departure. Indeed, the regional powers will likely step up their involvement in Iraq which, in turn, will lead to greater bloodshed.

    "WHEN exactly are they going to start doing either one?"

    The US Navy patrols the Persian Gulf - and has been for decades - to make sure that the free flow of ships/shipping occurs.

    We also patrol the Mediterranean to ensure the safe and secure passage of maritime commerce.

    Geez, Mike, I respect your anger over the Iraq war and Bush (for the most part); but you really post some mind numbingly ignorant things here.

    Sorry. But that's the truth.

    Rather lengthy:

    This is Tony Blair - a man of the Left, the REAL Left that used to believe in democracy and self-government and freedom against tyranny and dictatorships:

    "It is said that by removing Saddam or the Taliban regimes that were authoritarian but also kept a form of order the plight of Iraqis and Afghans has worsened and terrorism has been allowed to grow. This is a seductive but dangerous argument. Work out what it really means. It means that because these reactionary and evil forces will fight hard, through terrorism, to prevent those countries and their people getting on their feet after the dictatorships are removed, we should leave the people under the dictatorship. It means our will to fight for what we believe in is measured by our enemys will to fight us, but in inverse proportion. That is not a basis on which you ever win anything."

    Indeed, if the goal is to create (or not upset) stability and order, then we have to accept the order of the dictator who keeps the peace through terror.

    If we are concerned about destabilizing regimes, then one must be against not only military action but non-military measures - economic sanctions, for example - which also destabilize a regime.

    The chaos in Iraq is caused by the terrorists. Not by us. That chaos would have resulted had Saddam died of a heart attack or had been assassinated. Indeed, the chaos would have been worse because with our involvement there, some of the worst of the violence, in my opinion, is being prevented.

    Blair continues:
    "The truth is that the conflict in Iraq has mutated into something directly fuelled by the same elements that confront us everywhere. Yet a large, probably the larger, part of Western opinion would prefer us to withdraw. That is the extraordinary dulling of our senses that the terrorism has achieved."

    "In the Palestinian question who gets the blame for lack of progress? The West. In Lebanon, a crisis deliberately provoked by, again, the same forces who is held responsible? Israel."

    Why do we never blame the true perpetrators of the violence?

    "In Afghanistan it is clear that the Taliban is receiving support, including arms from, again, elements of the Iranian regime. They have learned from elsewhere. They believe if they inflict enough chaos, enough casualties of Western soldiers, we will lose the will. It will become another �mess�. And if it does, the problem will be laid at the door of the Afghan government and its Western allies."


    "Isn't it funny how the right wingers can't defend the decisions of Bush and the GOP Congress the past 6 years, so they always go back to Clinton."

    Sorry, your reading skills are just terrible.

    I'm not blaming Clinton for anything. Nowhere in my post did I criticize him AT ALL.

    I was simply citing Clinton's views about Iraq and it's involvement in terrorism.

    If I cited Bush, you lefties would dismiss it and more BUSH LIES.

    Man, grow up.

    "Isn't it funny how the right wingers can't defend the decisions of Bush and the GOP Congress "

    What's really funny is that if we quote Bush, you just say it's lies.

    If Bush said Iraq was involved in terrorism, you just dismiss it.

    But if we quote Democrats saying the same things that Bush said, you guys say we're blaming Democrats.

    This is because you just want to believe that EVERY PROBLEM is due to Bush.

    If we prove that the problems preceded Bush, then you need to come up with solutions.

    This you cannot do.

    All you can do is blame Bush.

    If you can't blame Bush, you have nothing to say.

    No plans. No solutions. No program. No legislation. No anything.

    Because fundamentally, you're historically illiterate. You know nothing about history, about politics, about international relations.

    You just know how to go to leftwing hate sites where you can live in your simplistic world.

    Pathetic, really.

    "So you're all for enabling the Iraqis , where they never have to take responsibility for their own country, even though they have stated they want us the hell out of there."

    Never?

    Have you read the history of Iraq? Or that part of the world?

    I don't believe that democracy and self-government are only for _some_ people and not for others.

    When a people try to establish democracy - even if it's a rough and simple one - I would like to help them fight off those who wish to enslave them.

    If we leave before the Iraqi people are able to defend themselves from al-Qaeda (remember them?) or outside forces (Syria, Iran), they will be slaughtered.

    I find it interesting that many people on the Left want us to intervene in Darfur to stop the genocide there (by radical Islamists). But want to give up the Iraqi people to be slaughtered by other radical Islamists.

    We are in a war. I wish we weren't.

    The radical Islamists have declared war on us and our friends.

    We can run away from them in Iraq, if you want.

    But we'll have to fight them again somewhere else.

    Where should that be?

    If

    "Bring our troops home now, and stop the senseless deaths of our men and women."

    And if the Iraqi people get slaughtered, so be it?

    We can escape into our own borders.

    If the terrorists wish to kill the entire world (I'm speaking figuratively, of course), as long as they leave us here alone, so be it?

    Okay.

    "George Bush lit a fire in the Middle east. Instead of putting it out,he threw gasoline on the fire and now's it;s exploded into an out of control fire."

    Right. Here we go; all Bush.

    You know absolutely nothing about the modern history of the Middle East and radical Islam.

    You ever hear of Sayyid Qatb (or Qatb)?

    The Egyptian brotherhood?

    The crisis of Islam as it faces modernity?

    No, I don't think you do at all.

    Just blame Bush.

    Amazing.

    Tony Blair again:

    "It is said that by removing Saddam or the Taliban regimes that were authoritarian but also kept a form of order the plight of Iraqis and Afghans has worsened and terrorism has been allowed to grow.

    This is a seductive but dangerous argument. Work out what it really means. It means that because these reactionary and evil forces will fight hard, through terrorism, to prevent those countries and their people getting on their feet after the dictatorships are removed, we should leave the people under the dictatorship. It means our will to fight for what we believe in is measured by our enemys will to fight us, but in inverse proportion. That is not a basis on which you ever win anything."

    We MUST NEVER oppose dictatorships because if that leads to their removal, instability will ensue.

    If we overthrow a dictatorship and the TERRORISTS CAUSE VIOLENCE, we must give up.

    Which, of course, means that we can NEVER try to remove a dictator in the Middle East (either through military force or through non-military measures) because the terrorists will use that situation to cause violence.

    The terrorists win.

    We can't go into Darfur to stop the genocide there because that may destabilize the government and lead to the terrorist causing greater violence.

    This is called SURRENDER.

    Are the lefties who want us out of Iraq also AGAINST going into Darfur?

    Remember: if we go into the Sudan, we could de-stabilize the government there. In fact, we will.

    If we cause instability, the terrorists will go into the Sudan and cause violence.

    And we cannot allow that to happen.

    Therefore, we should do NOTHING to stop the genocide of the black African animists by the Islamists.

    Mustn't cause instability.


    I've said it before and I'll say it again...... Keith olbermann is the Rosie O'Donnell of MSNBC.

    "Time for this chickenhawk to enlist, and practice what you preach !"

    My past military service is, of course, meaningless to my arguments.

    Second, I assume you support the war in Afghanistan.

    If so, why don't YOU enlist, punk?

    Why aren't YOU over there, punk?

    Are you a coward, punk?

    Or are you just a PUNK?

    I think you're a coward, punk.

    It's interesting that the no name poster isn't in Afghanistan.

    Who's the chickenhawk punk?

    Is this the SLOB posting? Or the AAP?

    Or both?

    You're a loser SLOB/AAP.

    Absolute loser.

    LOL!! Bovine\'s paranoia loves new friends:

    ------------------------------------------------------
    Is this the SLOB posting? Or the AAP?

    Or both?

    You\'re a loser SLOB/AAP.

    Absolute loser.
    Posted by: Ohboy at June 3, 2007 6:20 PM
    ================================

    Here is the secret, Ohboy, but don\'t tell the Bovine. SLOB, Mike and AAP, and *some 40 other posters* are only one poster. Also, Mike is being financed by George Soros. According to BovineQueen, Mike might also be a muslim.

    Shushhhhh.... I hear Santa Claus.... I mean BovineQueen... just finished servicing the cows in the barn. Shushhhhh.

    ap·pease·ment (ə-pēz'mənt)
    n.
    1.
    a. An act of appeasing.
    b. The condition of being appeased.

    2. THE POLICY OF GRANTING CONCESSIONS TO ENEMIES TO MAINTAIN OR ESTABLISH PEACE.
    ____________________

    Yes, let's try this approach.

    That's funny mexican patty, I never said anything you just accused me of saying. Any more lies for today?

    Thank you for the Jeff update, Average American Patriot. I was working in the yard most of the day, then watching the debate, so I haven't been aware what the Idiot was saying. You have provided a useful summary, free of groveling, snitching and grammatical errors.

    Chicken Blogger, you are a contemptible piece of s**t, garbage or carrion. Take your pick.

    You said above:

    "There are soldiers who DON'T think much. Because they focus on JUST doing their jobs( which is commendable) and then there are others who actually aren't afraid of people like you and the right wing sleaze machine and tell it like it is.

    Posted by: at June 2, 2007 8:06 PM"

    So, our voluntary military, the most educated and undeniably brave and committed military in the world, are:

    STUPID (per you: "DON'T think much")

    According to you, though, not all of them are 'stupid'. Some few of them are actually:

    BRAVE, standing up to to the likes of Grammie (per you: "you and the right wing sleaze machine").

    In your own mind what country do you think you live in? North Korea? Syria? Cuba? Venezuela?

    Grammie

    Iraq is NOT the center point in the war of terror, despite our attempts to make it so.

    >Unfortunately, it's important NOW.

    Your use of the word 'unfortunately' is unfortunate. If it is unfortunate that we've made Iraq a terrorist magnet, it is also unfortunate Bush got elected. I don't believe luck or fortune had anything to do with either one.

    Yes, we have an opportunity to kill many murderous muslims in Iraq. However, that opportunity comes at a cost. The cost is American Soldier's lives, Iraqi Civilian lives, and lots and lots of money. Also, a big unknown is exactly how many terrorists have been created through the invasion and occupation of Iraq. I'm not one for appeasment, and I could care less what an Al-Qaeda member thinks of my infidel lifestyle, but they are strapping on the bombs for a reason. And for at least some of them, the principle and possibly only reason is our presence in Iraq.

    >We can debate what the "center point" is; or whether there is one since the threat is much more diffuse now.

    The reason why I brought that up is that Bush insists that Iraq is the leading front on the war on terror. It's only a matter of time before one of these 'terror plots' become actionable. And when it does, the US becomes the leading front on the war on terror. Conservatives and Liberals agree...What we have done to protect our country since 9/11 has been largely superficial. The Billions of dollars that we've blown up in Iraq would help make great strides in closing some of the gaps.

    >Iraq is certainly considered by a number of experts as critical in defeating radical Islamists - whether they are al-Qaeda or loosely affiliated groups.

    Like I mentioned earlier...yes we can keep shooting them as fast as we create them.

    >If one wishes to dismiss those experts, of course, is one's own decision.

    Or the other experts that say the war in Iraq has stoked the flames of Jihad and has made the US and other countries infinitely less safe.

    >As the Clinton Administration noted, Iraq was one of the world's leading state sponsors of terrorism. The fact that we now know (or think we know) that they were not directly tied to al-Qaeda does not, of course, mean that Saddam wasn't supporting other terrorist groups that threatened us and our allies.

    Hardly a reason to invade and occupy a country. Religious extremism is the rule not the exception in the middle east. Saddam was secular and kept power FROM radical muslims. Saddam also made for a perfect buffer against Iran. Neither country wanted to see the other one prosper. As long as they kept one eye on each other, that kept at least two eyes off Israel.

    >But it's clear to me that a precipitate withdrawal from Iraq leading to a collapse of the central government there would only be disastrous for the US.

    Well, what might NOT be clear to you is all that gray area between 'staying the course' and 'cut and run.' It's not necessarily an all or nothing choice. Also, it isn't clear if the government would collapse. At some point the government will have to stand up on it's own. Stability is the goal in the middle east. Ironically Saddam WAS stability. A coup in Iraq would be bad. A coup in Pakistan would be worse.

    >It's also clear to me, from that, that those who say we need to "end the war" in Iraq by leaving seem to ignore the fact that the conflict will NOT end with our departure. Indeed, the regional powers will likely step up their involvement in Iraq which, in turn, will lead to greater bloodshed.
    Posted by: Ohboy at June 3, 2007 5:29 PM

    The conflict may not 'end' but it would change. And again, there is some middle ground between 'in all the way' and 'high-tailing it back to the US.' If we leave, we'll never know what it would have been like if we stayed, and if we stay, we'll never know what it would have been like if we left.

    Perhaps with less US servicemen getting killed trying to keep the peace, the onus will fall to the Iraqis to keep the peace.

    The insurgents don't have a traditional army and couldn't take over and hold territory. If al-sadr took over areas and kept murdering opposition, we could just roll in. It would actually be easier to defeat the 'bad guys' in Iraq if a partial withdrawal made them feel they could come out of the woodwork a bit. As long as we have jets with missles and bombs, I wouldn't worry too much about 'regional powers stepping up their involvement in Iraq.'

    Since when has guerilla warfare been a good idea? Since when has nation building been an objective of the 'land of the free.'

    I say partially withdrawal the troops. Redeploy them in strategic areas just outside of the country and a sizable force outside of the major population centers in Iraq. Let the civil war run it's course to some degree.

    A.) Less US Military men would die.

    B.) It would cost the US much less $$.

    C.) It would help the Iraqi Gov't evolve.

    D.) It would bring a lot of insurgents out of the woodwork to become easy targets.

    E.) If there was some sort of coup attempt, or some other power play by radical muslims, we'd be right there to put it down.

    I don't pretend to have all the answers, and no one knows if something in theory would work in reality with a situation like Iraq.

    But my common sense tells me to be weary of the guys in charge that have been wrong about most everything. Especially when it seems so difficult for them to even admit as much.

    I know one thing, if we did withdraw from Iraq, it wouldn't be the biggest mistake we made. That mistake has already been made with the invasion and occupation.

    Commission Accomplished, you made some interesting points. Let me address this one because it is (JFK and Fort Dix plots) in the news and much discussed currently:

    "The reason why I brought that up is that Bush insists that Iraq is the leading front on the war on terror. It's only a matter of time before one of these 'terror plots' become actionable. And when it does, the US becomes the leading front on the war on terror. Conservatives and Liberals agree...What we have done to protect our country since 9/11 has been largely superficial. The Billions of dollars that we've blown up in Iraq would help make great strides in closing some of the gaps."

    I could understand the point you make here much better if every foiled plot was not greeted by so many, both public figures and private citizens, with howls of skepticism, scorn, derision and charges of political manipulation and fear mongering by GWB et al.

    One need go no further than here at OW and HuffPo (Nora Ephron: How to Foil a Terrorist Plot in Seven Simple Steps) to see that this is not only a fairly prevalent view but also a seemingly intractable one.

    If the political power shifts in that direction enough in the coming months and years how would this work out? Would it take another 9/11, a series of 9/11s or an event that is overwhelmingly more catastrophic than 9/11 for us to unite and fight it.

    Grammie

    >"I could understand the point you make here much better if every foiled plot was not greeted by so many, both public figures and private citizens, with howls of skepticism, scorn, derision and charges of poilitical manipulation and fearmongering by GWB et al."

    This is the understandable reaction to those on the right who immediately beginning crowing about every alledged foiled plot as if it were somehow a vindication of their side's policies....especially the disastrous war in Iraq.

    IT'S NOT!

    This kind of increased domestic vigilance against terrorism is the natural by-product of an attack like 911, and this would be expected regardless of who happened to be president, or which political party happened to be in power. I personally believe we could do an even better job of fighting potential terrorism in America if so many vital and precious resources were not being squandered over 6000 miles away.

    >"Would it take another 9/11, a series of 9/11s or an event that is overwhelmingly more castastrophic than 9/11 for us to unite and fight it."

    Hopefully it wouldn't cause us to unite, and then go flailing after the WRONG enemy again, therebye compounding our problems exponentially....as we did when we invaded and occupied Iraq.

    GREAT post at 3:45 AM, Commision Accomplished!

    The skeptical reaction Janet referred to at 4:28 AM is a natural reaction to the right's predictable crowing whenever a new alledged plot is discovered and foiled, as if it somehow vindicated Bush's entire Terrorism policy, especially the disastrous war in Iraq.

    IT DOESN'T!

    The increased domestic vigilance that led to the discovery of these kind of plots would be a natural reaction to an event like 911, and could reasonably be expected to have occured regardless of who occupied the White House, or which political party was in power.

    If Republican war hawks would quit treating these events as if they were 'victories' for their side over those who are against the disastrous war in Iraq, we could then all treat these stories with the kind of reverence that they deserve.

    "The skeptical reaction Janet referred to at 4:28 AM is a natural reaction to the right's predictable crowing whenever a new alledged plot is discovered and foiled, as if it somehow vindicated Bush's entire Terrorism policy, especially the disastrous war in Iraq.

    "IT DOESN'T!"

    I agree with Mike.....The story shows that the Bush administration has been successful at what they said they would be successful at.....protecting the American people......I thank the Bush administration which includes the FBI for their competence in protecting me and my family.

    However, these examples of success do shed light on how silly those on the left like Keith Olbermann have been acting lately (for the past 3 years).....They have been Chicken Little about the sky falling in reagrds to 2 specific things....

    1) Habeas corpus rights are gone according to Olbermann and the left.....The handling of these accused terrorists out in the open(and those before them) shows this is not true. The dire predictions of loss of Constitutional rights has not occurred as predicted by the sour Olbermann.

    2) We are less safe because resources are going to the war in Iraq according to Olbermann and the left....The resources given to the administration are obviously being used for the law enforcement activity that leads to AVOIDING domestic terrorists attacks as shown by this and previous examples. Also, there have been no successful plots against US domestic targets since 9/11 unlike in London and Spain....but the left NEEDS that fact to be ignored because it shows how their silly incompetence arguments against the administration are nothing but scare tactics.

    So the derision or ignoring of the facts of the story by the left is simply a sympton of the hate-Bush mind-set because it makes the previous predictions of calamity look childish, silly and WRONG. This is why the story is given attention here at OW because those Special Comments of Olbermann's are not supported by the facts today. Habeas corpus is alive and well and Bush has been successful in thwarting domestic terrorism even as he defends freedom in Iraq......two huge pillars of Olbermann's rants in the past....

    And this is my post today, the 1,496th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration?s policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    Does anyone remember the good ol' days when the FBI would've carefully waited for the men to try to procure explosives and money so that they could actually catch people that had the CAPABILITY of doing harm...

    Now, they truncate investigations early so that they can give Bush a boost in the polls. Too bad it isn't working, eh folks?

    "Now, they truncate investigations early so that they can give Bush a boost in the polls."

    Evidence please, ma'am.

    cee,

    Why would the FBI arrest a group of people who had no ability to do what they were planning on doing?

    When Clinton caught the conservative terrorists who were going to blow up the FBI compound, they already had the capability of acquiring the explosives and they had blueprints.

    The terrorists that were caught under Clinton's term at both borders had explosives in their cars...

    That's two examples of how the FBI used to do things...i.e. the right way...

    Another specious argument, blindrat....You provide no evidence that the motive for announcing these investigations at their particular point in time was for helping Bush's poll numbers.

    "Why would the FBI arrest a group of people who had no ability to do what they were planning on doing?"

    Why does the Secret Service arrest people who ONLY make verbal threats against individuals under their protection? Why do these people go to jail when they did not even have the ability to hurt the target? Why does law enforcement arrest and prosecute people at all at various points in their plan to commit a crime?

    Deterrence, ma'am.....the ease of which it seems the FBI and NYPD could place informants into these cells has to make the existing cells out there re-evaluate their plans and perhaps they even may change their behavior.....wait for it to quiet down, so to speak.

    Did it occur to you Blindrat, that after 9/11 policy may have changed?

    "I believe we are safer than we were. We are not yet safe enough."

    Senator Clinton from the debate last night. I think Bush has said that also.

    anon,

    You think that the policy changed so that enforcement is less effective after 9/11? Interesting thought. Bush did manage to keep the borders pretty porous after 9/11 and almost managed to have our port security handled by Arabs...

    You may be right...

    Oh, and cee, making cells more careful isn't a particularly intelligent way to work, doncha think, dear?

    No, I don't thin policy changed to make enforcement less effective. Just the opposite. No matter how you try to spin it, there have been no successful attacks, as in other places like Madrid. Yet the U.S. is the most hated country of the world. Now why is it that there have been no successful attempts?

    What is with you people? AAP thinks the thwarting of the plot should have been kept under wraps. Blindrat thinks we are less safe because the plot was thwarted too early. It is just one story. Alone, it doesn't legitimize Bush nor does it condemn him either. But it is a newsworthy story.

    anon (11:31),

    It's not spin...

    As I stated before, the U.S. borders are so porous and weapons so available that the only reason terrorists haven't attacked in this country is because they don't want to...

    Or, do you have some information about our borders that the rest of us do not?

    As I stated before, the U.S. borders are so porous and weapons so available that the only reason terrorists haven't attacked in this country is because they don't want to...
    Posted by: blindasabat at June 4, 2007 11:42 AM

    Really? They don't want to? So, the muslims at JFK didn't really want to do what they were planning to do? Unbelievable. So, with your "logic" we can just close down Homeland Security, right?

    rk,

    Homeland security is simply a step towards a police state. As for the JFK plot, I'll believe it when they actually procure explosives...

    Ah, Blindrat again, demonstrating that no matter what, the Olbyloons aren't going to be happy until terrorists blow up something again in the U.S. That way, they can claim that W wasn't doing his job. But if they actually make terrorist arrests and foil the plotters before they can do anything, the libs also get to bitch, moan, and whine that it wasn't a "real" terrorist plot. Never satisified are they? It really does demonstrate whose side they are really on though. And yes, go visit Kos, DU, or any of their usual haunts and you'll see the same sorts of drivel, along with their everdying love and support for dictators like Chavez and Castro. Makes you wonder why they don't just go ahead and move to a terrorist-state or a communist-controlled country if they love and support them so much doesn't it?

    Brandon,

    You DO remember the Bush was inflating the number of terrorist arrests; moreover, he cut the anti-terrorism budget upon coming into office...

    All I'm looking for is honesty from the neocons. The Clinton administration could've arrested a lot of you limbots for talking about killing him. It takes more than that; otherwise, it is simply a thought-crime...

    Blindrat, what budget and what Department's funding are you referring to. That doesn't ring a bell for me.

    Grammie

    Grammie,

    I refered to the FBI's anti-terrorism budget...

    Thanks, but I really would like more info than that.

    Which budget and cut how?

    That is a very complex subject and most of us get our info from secondary sources who summarize the net impact and explain the various negotiations between The Congress and The White House.

    Could you point me to the sources you used as a basis for your original statement.

    Grammie

    "...He has accused his critics of undermining the fight against terrorism. But it is becoming clear that before September 11 he had little interest in counter-terrorism, and diverted resources from measures to prevent terrorism towards those aimed at more traditional targets, such as drugs and child pornography..."

    "...On September 10 last year, the last day of what is now seen as a bygone age of innocence, Mr Ashcroft sent a request for budget increases to the White House. It covered 68 programmes, none of them related to counter-terrorism.

    He also sent a memorandum to his heads of departments, stating his seven priorities. Counter-terrorism was not on the list. He turned down an FBI request for hundreds more agents to be assigned to tracking terrorist threats..."

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,719231,00.html

    Ma'am....I thought you were someone who could be reasonable.....but after this.....

    "Homeland security is simply a step towards a police state"

    I realize that you are more interested in fitting facts to your ideology....Police state?.....DHS? I would have loved to know your opinion about the FBI being formed back in the day, blindrat.

    The Bush Administration de-emphasized counterterrorism in Fiscal Year 2003 budget. In the weeks before the September 11 attacks, Administration officials in different government agencies were developing budget requests for the Fiscal Year 2003 budget, which was to be submitted to Congress in February 2002. The New York Times reported that, in developing his budget request, Attorney General John Ashcroft "called for spending increases in 68 programs, none of which directly involved counterterrorism." (2/28/02) In fact, "Mr. Ashcroft did not endorse F.B.I. requests for $58 million for 149 new counterterrorism field agents, 200 intelligence analysts and 54 additional translators." Finally, according to The New York Times, the Attorney General "proposed cuts in 14 programs. One proposed $65 million cut was for a program that gives state and local counterterrorism grants for equipment, including radios and decontamination suits and training to localities for counterterrorism preparedness."

    It looks like bad news for our two missing soldiers. A video has surfaced showing the men's id's and some personal effects. ANother news source stated that the video claims the men were killed and a third source I read said that the there is supposed to be a full length video released sometime Monday. There was a short clip of the missing soldiers' id and a longer one that I found (with other things but no men); I hope that is the longer video referred to and not what I fear. Keep the men and their families in your prayers, if you are a believer. If not, then at least think about them.

    Tell the truth Blindrat--oh, forgot, you aren't capable:

    "One proposed $65 million cut was for a program that gives state and local counterterrorism grants for equipment, including radios and decontamination suits and training to localities for counterterrorism preparedness."

    What you failed to post and report is that much of that money was going to areas where there were no high-value terrorist targets-like small towns in the midwest.

    You've also very convieniently cherry-picked which articles you're posting to include budget requests made BEFORE 9/11. I know you think you're too clever by half but the reality is that everytime you post garbage at this, you make your case look weaker and weaker.

    By the way, you'll be thrilled to hear Olbermann is planning on pooh-poohing the terrorist arrests in NYC this weekend, just as we here at Olbermannwatch predicted he would. I'm sure Osama will send him a big wet "thank you" mankiss for his continued support of terrorists everywhere.

    KEITH LIED.......PEOPLE DIDN'T DIE!

    Brandon,

    My whole point was the cuts BEFORE 9/11, son...

    On your point, Brandon, from The NewsHole today....

    "Countdown found it interesting that the New York Times, JFK airport’s hometown paper, not only didn’t put the story of the alleged plot to bomb a fuel pipeline feeding that airport on its front page yesterday morning. It didn’t even put it in the A section of the paper, burying it in the Metro section."

    ####
    The NY Times?.....Keith Olbermann is surprised about that the paper's editorial decisions regarding the FBI and NYPD's success in stopping a terrorist plot?....A paper who's current owner thought that United States soldiers in Vietnam were deserving of being shot?....THAT NY Times Mr. Olbermann?

    Keith Olbermann is a stupid, stupid man.

    It's about freakin' time! Why hasn't mexican patty done one of his infamous full page cut and pastes about this little doozie! Oh, I know why, because NONE of his left wing hate sites are reporting it, duh!


    WASHINGTON (AP) - Rep. William Jefferson, D-La., was indicted Monday on federal charges of racketeering, soliciting bribes and money-laundering in a long- running bribery investigation into business deals he tried to broker in Africa.
    The indictment handed up in federal court in Alexandria., Va., Monday is 94 pages long and lists 16 alleged violations of federal law that could keep Jefferson in prison for up to 235 years. He is charged with racketeering, soliciting bribes, wire fraud, money-laundering, obstruction of justice, conspiracy and violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act.


    Ooowooowwoh Bwoooowoovine!

    This was breaking news when...? about two years ago?

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070604/ap_on_go_co/congressman_probe

    Again, Bovine, showing your paranoia and ignorance. From your own post:

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    DAMN LEFT WING -AP- FOR NOT REPORTING ABOUT THIS!

    "BovineQueen is like Santa Claus..."

    LOL!

    below average mexican patty, off your meds or mixing them with booze, again? He was just indicted today, so how could it have been "breaking news" 2 yrs ago? Do things happen in mexico before they happen here?

    "breaking news" 2 yrs ago
    ------------------------------
    It is an old, old story with no surprises. And not particularly important. Jefferson is not going to be convicted, I rather imagine, and in this nation, that means he is innocent. As usual, Jeff has to rush in to castigate an African American, any African American, Hispanic, Semite. Anytime, he can play the race card, Jeff does. If he'd lived in Texas in the 1930's, I am sure Jeff would have kept a chiffarobe of pre-formed nooses to lynch African Americans. I pity you as much as I loath you and your kind.

    No conviction? 90 thou of marked money IN his fridge? No conviction? 16 counts. No conviction? Wow! Wishful thinking, to say the least. Or, just plain ignorant. He's cooked, that's why the prosecutors took their time building their case, making sure he won't walk, except, to the big house! 2 of his aids plead guilty to charges, already. Secondly, all I can do is shake my head when you anonyloons throw in the "race card" when I made no mention of race. I could care less what color he is, he's as crooked as they come and he will pay! You can take that to the bank, anonyloon!

    >"Countdown found it interesting that the New York Times, JFK airport’s hometown paper, not only didn’t put the story of the alleged plot to bomb a fuel pipeline feeding that airport on its front page yesterday morning. It didn’t even put it in the A section of the paper, burying it in the Metro section."

    The NY Times?.....Keith Olbermann is surprised about that the paper's editorial decisions regarding the FBI and NYPD's success in stopping a terrorist plot?....A paper who's current owner thought that United States soldiers in Vietnam were deserving of being shot?....THAT NY Times Mr. Olbermann?

    Keith Olbermann is a stupid, stupid man.
    Posted by: cee at June 4, 2007 4:02 PM

    Finding something 'interesting' isn't the same as finding something 'surprising.'

    Cee spends most of his time twisting words to mean what he thinks they should mean so he can go on living is blissful ignorance of ACTUAL news and events.

    Cee is a stupid, stupid man.

    ... could care less what color he is ....

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    You owe your fellow contributors some measure of honesty, and you are a rotten, stinking racist, every mg. of your body oozes the stench of racism. You can't take a breath without smelling your own racist seepage. At least have the decency to admit it.

    Keith Olbermann's incredulity being buttressed by the most leftist of publications.....and the anonymous poster only comments on my correct description of how Mr. Olbermann used the Times' editorial choices.....Would you like me to use another adjective.....

    agog?
    awed?
    delighted?
    thrilled?
    enchanted?

    Nice meaty rebuttal, anon.....here is some more for you to pick apart.....

    And this is my post today, the 1,496th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    good, anon....you are almost forming complete sentences!

    And this is my post today, the 1,496th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey


    The right wingers spend half their lives dodging, ignoring, spinning corruption of members of their party.

    States evidence #1- This site !

    Posted by: Why do you care what my name is, bitch ? at June 4, 2007 7:26 PM

    You must be referring to the way the dems were denying and spinning in regards to Jefferson.....i.e. Pelosi for one. The dems spend ALL their lives spinning and dodging!

    While companies up and down the food chain see the increases, they're only beginning to pass them on to consumers. But with the start of grilling season -- meat prices particularly hurt -- some consumers are already tweaking their spending habits.

    Posted by: Sugar Magnolia at June 4, 2007 7:51 PM

    "new poster" instead of crying, you should get your ass outside and plant a garden and buy some cows. I'm not talking about planting dope, vegies! I guess it's easier to cry, though. A garden would take a little more effort than typing on a keyboard.....

    I guess they don't post those at his right wing sites.

    What a surprise !

    Posted by: I know what your name is, prick! ? at June 4, 2007 7:22 PM

    I don't need to go to the right wing sites when idiots like you scour the web for negative news about (R)'s and post it here! Prick!

    Royalking.( Rivermutt ) . you have not offed yourself yet.. ? man make your family happy finally... stick one of your 12 weapons in your mouth.

    Faid and balanced,, my ass is great reading and while I know most of you rightwingers like to stick to single words perhaps you should pick it up.

    The Bush Administration has been the most corrupt administration ever, yet this little wart continues to deny it all !

    Posted by: Ropeadope at June 4, 2007 9:18 PM

    This is olbermannwatch.com. Does it say Bush anywhere at the top of the home page?

    Hej!
    Check this out!
    ,

    Why do ya...,

    Figured out why BovineQueen keeps calling you Bob, yet?

    Try opening up your morning daily newspaper to the front page, or the 2nd page, or the .....

    Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at July 24, 2007 11:17 PM


    You mean your local left wing bird cage liner? What paper do you read, patsy? Not that I expect an honest answer, though.

    I understand Monsieur Royale is dyslexic and he intended to write "boB" instead of "Bob". Of course, that still doesn't explain why he had formed such intent, other than, as you suggest, he is off his rocker. That has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, time and time again.

    That has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, time and time again.

    Posted by: Clucker at July 25, 2007 12:31 AM


    Whatever you say, Mrs. Philby/rudy ramirez!