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On the radio show today, Olbermann alluded to the writer of the piece on Couric but I didn't quite catch what he said about him. Now it all becomes clear.

“I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast.”

- Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman

I thought liberals and progressives despised the use of words like those "Name" uses above even if it was being done to "insult" a Olbywatch regular.

Hey Puck: Shoot any negroes lately, while you're out cruising in your hot rod redneckmobile ?

Beat up any of those dang faggots ?

One thing you can count on Puck NOT doing is reading and learning sumpin.'

Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at July 9, 2007 10:56 PM

and you can certainly be counted upon for the cheapest of shots....

Brandon's miniscule little mind can't get around the fact that all "libruls" aren't alike.

Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at July 9, 2007 11:39 PM

Right you are, nobody gives a shit. Liberals aren't all alike, some are much more whacked out than others, hence the term "olbyloons."

Brandon's miniscule little mind can't get around the fact that all "libruls" aren't alike.

Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at July 9, 2007 11:39 PM

Well, Brandon's can't get his mind around the concept of milk.

The rest of us know all liberals most certainly aren't alike. You're an especially oily cretin who just happens to be liberal.

What did Olbyman *not* report, which was significant enough to mention with emphasis in the opening post?

Olbyloon Ed 101c
Subject: Convicted Felon, Countdown "Legal Analyst" John Dean

John Dean, along with a number of other Nixon Administration officials, was involved in efforts to cover up White House involvement in the 1972 burglary and wiretapping of Democratic National Committee headquarters at the Watergate complex. Ironically, in the summer of 1972 Nixon had chosen Dean to head a special investigation to determine if any White House staff had been involved in the burglary. When Dean began to reveal to prosecutors evidence of White House involvement in the break-in, Nixon dismissed him. Later, when called to testify before the Senate Select Committee on Presidential Campaign Activities, Dean testified that Nixon knew of and participated in the cover-up, a statement that Nixon and his aides strongly disputed. The subsequent disclosure and release of taped conversations in which Nixon discussed the break-in corroborated Dean's testimony. Dean was convicted of conspiracy to obstruct justice and to defraud the government, and he served four months in prison.

> What did Olbyman *not* report, which was significant enough to mention with emphasis in the opening post?

Really, try reading the entire post. I don't see how I could state it any more plainly. In the first paragraph I even direct you to the very segment of the post where you can find it. If you're still having trouble figuring it out, get back to me.

nobody gives a shit, thanks for proving what a freakin hypocrite and olbypologist you are. Thanks Bob!

No one reads your posts Johnny.

We just come here to put an accent mark in making your republican cronies look like fools !
Posted by: at July 10, 2007 12:13 AM

You mean someone writes a blog on this site ?

Hey Johnny Dollar,

Ah, I didn't see the entire post, looks lke I had an earlier version without the added detail. Will check it out. Thanks.

I do have to admit, the NSA wiretapping procedure seemed to be redundant to the process already available since Nixon's day, but I haven't read over the court of appeals decision, to see what they thought was exceptional to the the norm in this case. Thanks for the insight.

Hey Johnny Dollar,

Ah, I didn't see the entire post, looks lke I had an earlier version without the added detail. Will check it out. Thanks.

I do have to admit, the NSA wiretapping procedure seemed to be redundant to the process already available since Nixon's day, but I haven't read over the court of appeals decision, to see what they thought was exceptional to the the norm in this case. Thanks for the insight.

Hey Johnny Dollar,

Ah, I didn't see the entire post, looks lke I had an earlier version without the added detail. Will check it out. Thanks.

I do have to admit, the NSA wiretapping procedure seemed to be redundant to the process already available since Nixon's day, but I haven't read over the court of appeals decision, to see what they thought was exceptional to the the norm in this case. Thanks for the insight.

Hey Johnny Dollar,

Ah, I didn't see the entire post, looks lke I had an earlier version without the added detail. Will check it out. Thanks.

I do have to admit, the NSA wiretapping procedure seemed to be redundant to the process already available since Nixon's day, but I haven't read over the court of appeals decision, to see what they thought was exceptional to the the norm in this case. Thanks for the insight.

Legal expert John Dean what a joke
Keith's rehab for felonious folk
The attorney disbarred
Reputation quite marred
To guest Countdown you must learn to stroke

Dumb fuck Nobody pontificates away
But try as he does he still don't make no hay
Without a name you don't exist
One big nothing but you still persist
Zero letters in your name
Not too many IQ points in your brain
Unhinged nobodyloon
Krazy Keith makes you swoon
Still refuses to sign
His no name is his protest line
Not even a blade of grass
Get your head out of your ass
Your mood must be always blue
Quote Unquote STFU

Hello infidels.
I see Live Earth was a complete flop. Apparently people don't like listening to Celebrities who fly in on private jets and ride around in limos tell them that they are destroying the planet.
On to Keith. Making fun of Perky Katie's ratings. I am all for bashing Katie, but shouldn't Keith get some ratings himself first?
Did Dan Olbermann and Keith Patrick have a goodbye hug and kiss?
O'Reilly did something we would never see from Olbermann; he corrected a story and had on a guest who wanted to correct his story.
Keith could do corrections on his stories but Keith only has an hour long show. The novel of lies he has told would take months to correct. The Zombies march on.
Great Thanks.

Many conservatives, particularly those who are clearly authoritarians, are not aware of their illogical, contradictory, and hypocritical thinking. If made cognizant of it, they either rationalize it away, neglect to care, or attack those who reveal their human weaknesses. Because such thinking seems to be a reality of contemporary conservatism, anyone who operates from a logical mind, or has an inclination for reasoned judgment, can have trouble with it.

The man hits the nail on the head.
You can have valid points and still be a "former" felon.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 12:46 AM

Let me fix this quote for you. It will make more sense my way.

Many LIBERALS, particularly those who are clearly authoritarians, are not aware of their illogical, contradictory, and hypocritical thinking. If made cognizant of it, they either rationalize it away, neglect to care, or attack those who reveal their human weaknesses. Because such thinking seems to be a reality of contemporary LIBERALISM, anyone who operates from a logical mind, or has an inclination for reasoned judgment, can have trouble with it.

The man hits the nail on the head.
You can have valid points and still be a "former" felon.

Olbyloon Ed Part 2.

Only Olbermahn and his loons would give this loser one iota of credibility.

John Dean, former Nixon lawyer turned felon turned informant, has now given us another reason to look down on him: Today’s deadline for his widely pre-publicized identification of who Deep Throat really was has come and gone, and Dean still doesn’t know. Supposedly, says Dean, Deep Throat is almost certainly one of the following five people: Pat Buchanan, Steve Bull, Raymond Price, Ron Ziegler, or Jerry Warren. Hey, great, whatever.

The REPUBLICAN Senator from Louisiana once again mixed up in prostitute scandal. At least he is for famil values, I suppose.

*Everyone* knows that liberals all hold different opinions but that *all* conservatives think alike.

Wow! Tony Snow was especially oily in yesterday's press conference. My favorite part? When he stated that, if we didn't get Al Qaeda in Iraq, they'd spread to Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Even the dumbest reporter there knows that they come from those places...

Clucker- do you REALLY want to go name by name over sex scandals in regards to Republicans vs. Democrats?

Really?

So they think differently but-
Some liberals think that Bush brought the towers down.
Some liberals don't think illegal immigrants are a strain on the social programs.
Some liberals think Rosie Odonnel is smart and thoughtful.
Some liberals think the news in general isn't liberally biased.
Some liberals think a blowjob isn't sex.
Some liberals think a fetus isn't a living being.
Some liberals think that terrorism isn't real.

But the conservatives are the dumb people? Pulease you loons!

Obama,

I'll go name by name, son. You wanna start?

Obama- The problem is- the democrats never claim to have any family values.

oh dear, blindrat wants to participate in a tit-for-tat about who is the cruder party......

I'll start.....

Hawaii D Senator.....Sen. Daniel Inouye

“I hate newspapermen. They come into camp and pick up their camp rumors and print them as facts. I regard them as spies, which, in truth, they are. If I killed them all there would be news from Hell before breakfast.”

- Gen. William Tecumseh Sherman
Posted by: Sharon at July 9, 2007 10:59 PM

General Sherman was a real "salt of the earth" guy with his scorched earth tactics but brought that same military philosophy to the West, where he shaped a policy and strategy that would subjugate all the native peoples of the plains.

A condemnation of the press and subjugation of people seem to be something our republican right wing Sharon can definitely relate to.
Posted by: Bob at July 9, 2007 11:13 PM

Actually, Bob, I was scanning the military blogs to get a different perspective of the surge and the war in general. I took the quote (which of course can be found a million other places) from http://www.yankeemom.com/ Here is Yankee Mom's identity:

I’m the Army Mom of a 91 Tango. I’m also married to one helluva guy, who just happens to be a kick ass guitar player. Nobody disrespects the military around me and gets away with it. I’m a member of Soldiers’ Angels and take supporting soldiers alot further than just slapping a magnet on my car. I have my opinions and will voice them. After all, it’s my blog. I am also enduring a forced exile in California but am plotting my escape. Š

The milbloggers and their families have little respect for the MSM.

Wow, cee! Sarcasm followed by partial participitation.

Ronald Reagan (R)...

Now now Sharon, you already know Professor Honeydew only thinks the opinions of anti-war Vets and their families deserve the respect of the informed elite!

Wow a president all ready from sir blindrat.....

I'll oblige then....

President D.....John F. Kennedy

Was Rove named one of the Worst Persons because of what he said about al qaida in iraq? Interesting, because just 2 days ago I happened to be watching NBC news when they estimated 655,000 civilian casualties in Iraq, but only 10% of those due to US military action. That left 90% to "sectarian violence" NBC said.

Can that stat be applied to those "killing US soldiers" as Rove claimed? I don't know. Notice how the blog attacking Rove has his quote about killing US soldiers, but then Colin Powell addresses the "problem in Iraq" being only 10% al qaida.

George H.W. Bush (R)...

See he's a loon!

Why The Bushes Will Never Hire Linda Tripp
John LeBoutillier
Monday, Feb. 12, 2001
If you’re hoping that President George W. Bush will hire Linda Tripp and bring her back to the White House, don’t hold your breath.
You do not understand the fundamental nature of the Bushes.

Nor do you – or Matt Drudge, Tripp’s biggest booster in the media – want to recall the first time Tripp, the now-infamous whistle-blower, burst on the national scene.

Back in the first Bush presidency Linda Tripp was stationed down the hall from the Oval Office. She somehow caught wind on a long known but well-kept Washington secret: President George Bush had a "special" relationship with a staffer named Jennifer Fitzgerald...

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/12/55616.shtml

Loon- you pick up this Star Magazine style dribble and post it as fact. On the heels the Clinton scandal, the mainstream media would have loved to run this story. You throw this out as fact? Thats why you rarely have any credibility on this board. You are the posterchild for loon!

Pick substantiated affairs! Or are your done at one?

Ratboy is reaching again... do they let internet and computers in prisons nowadays?

Stop trying to change the subject to your latest silly strawman, Truth, and participate in our fun game.....

Mmmm, more Presidents from blindrat....ok....

President D....Franklin Roosevelt

Ah, the Navy has sent another aircraft carrier to the Gulf. That's great news. Perhaps they will find a creative way to get the Ayatollah's attention.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20070710/tpl-uk-usnavy-carrier-9562ed3.html

Anon,

You girls were all read to believe Tripp in regards to Clinton. Funny how that has changed. I even used your news source: NewsMax for this one...

But, here's a more reliable source: “It wasn’t just another woman,” said someone close to the situation, discussing the wedge that came between Bush and Barbara. “It was a woman who came to exert enormous influence over George for many, many years . . . She became in essence his other wife . . . his office wife.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/article484349.ece

"Dean didn't get Great Thanksed, but he did get Pleasured." Johnny$

I love the Johnny$ recaps.

cee,

Dwight David Eisenhower (R)...

And I have an office wife too- doesn't mean I am shtoooping her...

Look it up you loon- an office wife is not a sexual partner. Fucking idiot! You countered your own fucking assertion. Why do people try to debate idiots like you?

Anon....don't worry about it....even if blindrat makes up stuff about republicans who fell from grace I will have another democrat that is well known and documented to have erred as well.....the list is endless.......

"We are all sinners......"

I hate the hypocryts... on both sides!

Anon hate "hypocryts"? Anon will probably die of an ulcer before middle-age. Lots to hate out there.

My point, with the original poster, was to be that the Republicans are the ones who care what goes on in other peoples' beds and they ARE the worst offenders...

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate - Pardongate

Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.

Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.

Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.

James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.

Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.

Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.

Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.

Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.

Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.

George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.

Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.

John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator

Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.

James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.

Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.

Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.

Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison

Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.

John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison

Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.

Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.

Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.

Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.

Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts.

Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.

Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.

Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.

Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.

David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.

Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.

Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.

Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.

Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI.

James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.

John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge.

Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.

David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prison.

John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine

Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.

Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.

Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute

Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced to prison.

Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.

David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.

James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.

Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.

William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.

Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count and sentenced to probation.

Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in prison.

Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.

Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges - sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.

Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal prison.

Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.

Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.

Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign and testimonial funds to his own use

Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.

Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.

Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.

Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.

Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat - Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined $50,000.

George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.

Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1873. Indicted in on federal charges of income tax evasion, conspiracy, and perjury

Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in prison on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.

Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.

Bolley ''Bo'' Johnson - Democrat - Former Florida House Speaker - received a two-year term for tax evasion.

Roger L. Green - Democrat - Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.

Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.

and many more

Our resident drama queen, who has more personality flaws than Dick Cheney( one reason she always comes to his defense) with her white Christian superiority complex, and nearly non-stop putdowns demonstrates nightly what a good Christian is all about.

No need to even say her name.

Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at July 9, 2007 11:57 PM

Now that's not at all fair, WDYCWMNI.

The world's population of all creeds and races are vastly superior to you too...

Adelphia Communications Corp.: Donated large sums of money to some of the most conservative members of Congress. They are also the first cable company to offer hard-core adult movies to subscribers. Daily Kos article

Edison Misla Aldarondo, Republican legislator, was sentenced to 13 years in prison for molestation of his daughter and her friend for eight-year period starting when they were 9. Full Article

Randal David Ankeney, Republican activist, arrested on suspicion of sexual assault on a child with force. He faces 6 charges related to getting a 13-year-old girl stoned on pot and then having sex with her. Source Also accused of sexually assaulting another girl. Denver ABC Article

Dick Armey (R-Texas), former professor, has been accused by The Dallas Observer of sexually harassing female students.

Jim Bakker, televangelist with Pat Robertson at Robertson's Christian Broadcasting network. Committed adultery with Jessica Hahn and then used charitable donations to pay her hush money. Fellow televangelists say he's gay. Indicted on 23 federal charges of fraud, tax evasion, and racketeering .

Bob Barr, Republican Congressman from Georgia. Sponsored the anti-gay Defense of Marriage Act, saying "The flames of hedonism, the flames of narcissism, the flames of self-centered morality are licking at the very foundation of our society, the family unit." Was married three times. Paid for his second wife's abortion (she also suspected he was cheating on her). Failed to pay child support to the children of his first two wives and while married to his third and present wife was photographed licking whipped cream off of strippers at his inaugural party.

Merrill Robert Barter, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy. Booth Bay Register Article

Robert Bauman, Republican congressman and anti-gay activist, was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar. Source: Washington Blade

Parker J. Bena, Republican activist and Bush Elector, pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography (including children as young as 3 years old) on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000. Source

Louis Beres, chairman of the Christian Coalition of Oregon. 3 of his family members accuse him of molesting them when they were pre-teens. Editor and Publisher article. In August 06, Beres confessed. The Portland Mercury

Howard L. Brooks, Republican legislative aide and advisor to a California assemblyman, was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography. Sacramento Bee article

John Bolton Bush's appointee ambassador to United Nations, corroborated allegations that Mr. Bolton’s first wife, Christina Bolton, was forced to engage in group sex have not been refuted by the State Department. Raw Story Article

Mike Bowers Former State Attorney General, prosecuted the famous Bowers vs. Hardwick case, based on Georgia anti-sodomy laws. Admitted to a 10-year adulterous affair Slate article

Pat Buchanan predidential candidate, media talking-head. His campaign refused to confirm or deny whether Pat has had chlamydia or any other venereal diseases.

Andrew Buhr, Republican politician, former committeeman for Hadley Township Missouri, was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. Source

Ted Bundy campaigned for the Republican Party. Infamous serial rapist who murdered 16 women. Source: BBC

Jim Bunn Congressman of Oregon: With his success due in great part to support from the Christian Coalition, Bunn won his congressional seat, then immediately ditched his wife (and mother of his five children), married a staffer, and put his new wife on the state payroll for the unheard-of salary of $97,500. Conservative Babylon

John Allen Burt, Republican anti-abortion activist, convicted of sexually molesting a 15 year old girl at the home for troubled girls that he ran. Source: Pensacola News Journal

Dan Burton, Republican Congressman who, while married, fathered a child by another woman. Salon.com Article

George W. Bush, Republican president, accused in a criminal complaint and lawsuit of raping Margie Schoedinger, who was later suicided. Accused by Tammy Phillips, a former stripper quoted in the National Enquirer in 2000 saying she had an affair with Bush that had ended in 1999. Also noted by Mrs. Blount whom G.W.BUSH while campaigning for her Husband Red Blount and while G.W.BUSH was possibly A.W.O.L from the Air National Guard at age 26 he was all over their 14 year old daughter.

Neil Bush, brother or G. W. Bush, in a March 2003 divorce deposition, admitted repeatedly having sex with strange women who just showed up at his room while on an Asian business trip. (Overshadowing the sex scandal; the business scandal--see link.) Washington Post article.

John Butler, Republican activist, was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Ken Calvert, Congressman (R-Ca), champion of the Christian Coalition and its "family values." Sued as an alimony deadbeat by his ex-wife. Said "We can't forgive what occurred between the President and Lewinsky." In 1993 he was caught by police receiving oral sex from a prostitute and attempted to flee the scene.

Charles Canady, Congressman (R-Florida), Judiciary Committee member. Lied to his constituents about his adulterous affair with Sharon Becker, which caused her divorce.

Helen Chenoweth, Congresswoman (R-Id.). In 1995, Chenoweth had denied having an affair when asked about it by The Spokane Spokesman-Review. In 1998 she called (in a campaign ad) for Bill Clintons resignation saying "I beleive that personal conduct and integrity do matter". Days laters she admitted to a six-year adulterous affair with a married associate. but now she claims a pardon from a higher authority: "I've asked for God's forgiveness, and I've received it," she revealed.

Keola Childs, Republican County Councilman, pleaded guilty to sexual assault in the first degree for molesting a male child.Honolulu Star-Bulletin Article

Kevin Coan, Republican St. Louis Election Board official, arrested and charged with trying to buy sex from a 14-year-old girl whom he met on the Internet. Source: Newmax

Roy Cohn, continually condemned gays and gay rights. Was a closet gay who died of AIDS. Wikipedia Article

Carey Lee Cramer Political consultant and anti-Kerry ad producer, tried for molesting two young girls, one of whom lived with him, and was 8 yrs old; the other starred in an anti-Kerry commercial. Diary Diary. The Monitor.

Dan Crane, Republican Congressman, married, father of six. Received a 100% "Morality Rating" from Christian Voice. Had sex with a minor working as a congressional page. Salon.com article On July 20, the House voted for censure Crane, the first time that censure had been imposed for sexual misconduct.

Paul Crouch Televangelist, Former President of Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN). Paid $425,000 in hush money in an attempt to cover up a gay affair. Christianity Today article

Richard A. Dasen Sr., Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, convicted of sexual abuse of children, promotion of prostitution and several counts of solicitation, enough to add up to a sentence of 126 years in prison. Investigators estimated that he spent up to $5,000,000 on prostitutes.

Missoulian Article on the trial | Missoulian Article on his conviction

Richard A. Delgaudio, Republican fundraiser and Bush pioneer, was found guilty of child porn charges. WBAL Channel article

Peter Dibble, Republican legislator pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl. News Channel 8 Article

Nicholas Elizondo, Director of the Young Republican Federation molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison. Halfway down this Bakersfield Californian article

Thomas B. Evans, Jr. -R Congressman from Delaware may have had an afair with Paula Parkinson (see his article for more info).

Larry Dale Floyd, Republican Constable in Denton County, Texas Precinct Two. Arrested for allegedly crossing state lines to have sex with an 8-year old child and was charged with 7 related offenses. Age 62 at time of arrest. Dallas News Article | Atrios Article

Mark Foley, Republican Representative, Florida Sixteenth Congressional District. Resigned after trying to solicit sex from male congressional pages via an instant messenger program. The conversations included his asking a sixteen-year-old "stud" whether his penis was erect and requesting that he take out and measure his penis. The cover-up involved Republican House Majority Leader John Boehner, Ohio Eighth Congressional District and Republican House Speaker Dennis Hastert, Illinois Fourteenth District.

John Fund, of the Wall Street Journal, a prominent anti-abortion columnist and GOP fund raiser. He lost his position after it was revealed that he impregnated the daughter of an old girlfriend and then encouraged her to abort his child. American Politics Journal Article

Jeff Gannon Partisan blogger with no journalism credentials and a fake name who got invited to Bush's Press conferences. Is also a pimp and a gay prostitute. Truthout Article. See also dKospedia's page on Jeff Gannon.

Jack W. Gardner, Republican Councilman, had been convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl. when the Republican Party, knowing of these crimes, put him on the ballot. Article with documents

Richard Gardner, a Nevada State Representative (R), admitted to molesting his two daughters. Review Journal Article

Newt Gingrich, married three times. Gingrich campaign worker Anne Manning admitted that she gave Newt oral sex while he was still married to his first wife. Informed one wife he was filing for divorce while she was in the hospital recovering from cancer treatments. Salon article

Philip Giordano, Republican mayor sentenced to 37 years for forcing two 8 and 10 year old girls to perform oral sex on him in his City Hall office. NBC Article | Newsday Article

Rudy Giuliani, had an adulterous affair. Pocketed $80,000 for speaking at a charity benefit for tsunami aid which raised only $60,000 for the victims themselves (Feb 2005).

Matthew Glavin, president and CEO of the Southeastern Legal Foundation, big player in the Clinton Impeachment, and many anti-gay jihads, has been arrested multiple times for public indeceny, one time fondling the crotch of the officer who was arresting him. Full Article

Marty Glickman, Republican activist, was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with a juvenile and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Mark A. Grethen, Republican activist, convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children. Orlando Weekly article

Jon Grunseth, Republican businessman and candidate for Minnesota governor, withdrew his candidacy after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter, and tried to grope one. "I've made some mistakes" he said. USA Today article

Dr. W. David Hager Bush appointee, member of Focus on the Family's Physician Resource Council, player in movement to ban the morning-after-pill. Had an adulterous affair, before divorcing his wife he sexually abused her, including sodomizing her in her sleep. Article

Mark Harris, Republican city councilman who is described as a "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

John Hathaway, Republican Senate candidate, was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media. Source: Casco Bay weekly

Howard Scott Heldreth, anti-abortion activist who gained fame during the Shiavo media-circus, was convicted of two charges of raping a child in 2002. page at Florida Department of Law Enforcement's Sexual Offender/Predator Unit

Mike Hintz, a First Assembly of God youth pastor, introduced by Bush on the campaign trail, and promoted his policies. Says he supports Bush's values. Two months later, this married father of four turned himself into police, charged with the sexual exploitation of a child. ArticleCommentary

Also signed an ad (that called for criminally prosecuting business that sell porn), along with another pastor who was repeatedly busted for public masturbation.

Neal Horsley has called for the arrest of all homosexuals. Admitted on the Fox News Radio's The Alan Colmes Show, that he's had sex with mules. Put photographs on his Web site of naked men engaging in homosexual acts and a nude woman engaging in bestiality amid shots of grotesquely maimed fetuses. Drug dealer convicted of possession of hashish with intent to sell. He calls for "the establishment of a new government, one that can obey God's plan for government."

Tim Hutchinson, divorced his wife of 29 years to marry a congressional aide he was having an affair with.

Henry Hyde, Judge who oversaw Clinton's impeachment proceedings, prominent opponent of reproductive rights, who had an extramarital affair with a woman who was married and had three children, during the course of which she and her husband were divorced. Salon.com article

Don Haidl, Assistant Sheriff of Orange Country, in violation of California's rape shield law, led a smear campaign against the child his son poisoned and then violently gang-raped on videotape, adding up to 24 felony counts. He said that his son "acted accordingly" because the child was a "slut". The full gruesome story, with many newspaper articles.

Paul Ingram, Republican Party leader of Thurston County, Washington, pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison. Source: The Olympian

Bernard Kerik, had two simultaneous adulterous affairs.

Earl Kimmerling, sentenced to 40 years in prison after he confessed to molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her. Source

I. Lewis Libby, former Assistant to the President and Chief of Staff to Vice President Dick Cheney. In 1996 published a novel containing bizaree sexual content, including beastiality and pedophillia. Full Details

Rush Limbaugh, triple-divorcee, 30-pill a day drug addict. Goodies from The Smoking Gun.com

Bob Livingston, former Congressman (R-La.) resigned from the House in the wake of revelations about his past adultery.

Donald Lukens, Republican Congressman, was found guilty of having sex with a minor - a girl he was accused of sleeping with since she was 13. Time Article

Joseph M. McDade, 75, was issued a summons on a charge of exposure of sexual organs, a misdemeanor that carries up to a year in jail and a $1,000 fine. The longtime Pennsylvania Republican congressman who served for 36 years in the House and now works for a Washington lobbying firm, has been accused of exposing his private parts to two women at a beach resort on Sanibel Island. DKOS diary

Pat McPherson, Douglas County Election Commissioner. Arrested for fondling a 17-year-old girl. Article

Jon Matthews, Republican talk show host in Houston, was indicted for indecency with a child, including exposing his genitals to a girl under the age of 17. Source: ABC News

Jeff Miller, (R-Cleveland), Senate Republican Caucus Chairman in Tennessee and the sponsor of Tennessee’s Marriage Protection act, getting divorced (as of April 2005) because of an affair he was having with an office aid. Miller described the Tennessee Marriage Protection Act as a means of preserving the sanctity of marriage. He opposed an amendment, however, which stated that “Adultery is deemed to be a threat to the institution of marriage and contrary to public policy in Tennessee.”

Nicholas Morency, Republican anti-abortion activist, pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor The Dallas Morning News article.

Sue Myrick, Congresswoman (R-NC), describes herself as a "devout Christian." Committed adultery with a married man.

Bill O'Reilly Right-wing conservative talk show host on Fox News, sued for sexual harrassment by his producer.

Bob Packwood, Senator (R-Ore.), resigned in 1995 under a threat of public senate hearings related to 10 female ex-staffers accusing him of sexual harassment.

Jeffrey Patti, Republican Committee Chairman, was arrested for distributing what experts call "some of the most offensive material in the child pornography world" - a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped. Daily Record News Article

John Paulk, lied about prowling for gay sex while running a fundamentalist group to cure gays.

Brent Parker Utah State Representetive. Arrested for soliciting sex from an undercover officer posing as a male prostitute. KSL News Article |Deseret News Article

John Peterson, Congressman (R-Pa), accused of sexual harassment and creation of a hostile work environment by six women. Peterson has refused to admit a crime, saying only "I may have been an excessive hugger."

Harvey Pitt, SEC Chief under George W. Bush until he was forced to resign in 2002. Worked for New Frontier Media, a firm which distributed teen sex videos.

Mark Pazuhanich, Republican judge, pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year old girl and was sentenced to 10 years probation. Pocono Record article

George Roche III, carried on a 19 year affair with his son's wife, while serving as president of Hillsdale College, which "emphasizes the importance of the common moral truths that bind all Americans, while recognizing the importance of religion for the maintenance of a free society."

Beverly Russell, County Chairman of the Christian Coalition, sexually molested his step-daughter, Susan Smith, who later drowned her two children. Herald-Journal Article |Commentary on Newsweek Article

Jack Ryan, 2004 Republican nominee for US Senate from Illinois, pressured his wive, actress Jeri Ryan, to have sex with other men. Tricked her into visiting sex clubs, where he asked her to have sex with him while others watched.

Joe Scarborough, former Republican Congressman, currently a conservative talk show host. Resigned his congressional seat abruptly to spend more time with his family, amidst allegations of an affair. His intern, Lori Klausutis, was soon after found dead in his office. The medical examiner, who had his license revoked in Missouri for falsifying information in an autopsy report, and suspended in florida for six years, ruled the case an accident, after giving conflicting information about her injuries. He said he lied about them because "The last thing we wanted was 40 questions about a head injury."

Ed Schrock, two-term republican congressman, with a 92% approval rating from the Christian Coalition. Cosponsor of the Federal Marriage Amendment, consistently opposed gay rights. Married, with wife and kids. Withdrew his candidacy for a third term after tapes of him soliciting for gay sex were circulated.

Dr. Laura Schlessinger, right wing conservative radio host. Promotes family values, estranged from her mother, opposes birth control, has had her tubes tied, espouses saving oneself for marriage, admits to having had sex before she was married, opposes adultery, has committed adultery while she was married, and has slept with a married man, opposes divorce, is divorced and remarried, has posed for nude photos which are available online.

Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republican governor, had sex with a 16 year old when he was 28.

Jean Schmidt, OH-2, though not herself implicated, employed a campaign manager (Joe Braun) in her 2005 election who once wrote an article condemning gay men for running sex ad profiles, and who was then accused of running his own sex profile on Collarme, an S&M sex site. The profile called for "submissives" to wear only a collar and handcuffs and to have hot wax dripped on them. DKOS Diary

John Scmitz, right-wing republican congressman, who had had his committee chairship taken away from him in the California State Senate after issuing a press release attacking Jews, feminists and gays. Forced out of office in 1982 for having an adulterous affair and fathering two children out of wedlock with one of his students. He was caught because his baby was admitted to hospital for having hair tied so tightly around his penis that it was almost severed. His daughter, Mary Kay LeTourneau, was convicted of having an adulterous affair with one of her students, and giving birth to two of his children. Wikipedia article

Larry Jack Schwarz, Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, fired after child pornography was found in his possession. Rocky Mountain News article With his political career over, he went to work in the hard-core pornography industry for Platinum X Pictures, owned by his daughter, porn starlet Jewel De'Nyle (Stephany Schwarz). Wikipedia article

Jim Stelling, Seminole County Republican Party chairman who believes in "family values", as he told a judge. Filed a defamation lawsuit againt Nancy Goettman, a former county GOP executive committee member, for falsely claiming he had been married six times. Stelling has been married 5 times. Article

Don Sherwood, Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives. Eventually admitted to an affar with a woman 30 years younger than him, after she accused him of physical abuse and attempting to choke her. Post-Gazette article

Tom Shortridge. Republican campaign consultant, was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl. LA Times article

Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr., Republican City Councilman, pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison. Sex Offender Registry page | Article

Craig J. Spence, Republican lobbyist, organized orgies with child prostitutes in the White House during the 1980s. Full page including Washington Times article Discovery Channel documentary

Jimmy Swaggart, televangelist, said during a sermon "I'm trying to find the correct name for it … this utter absolute, asinine, idiotic stupidity of men marrying men. … I've never seen a man in my life I wanted to marry. And I'm gonna be blunt and plain; if one ever looks at me like that, I'm gonna kill him and tell God he died." Had an affair with a prostitute.

David Swartz, Republican County Commissioner, pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison. Rocky Mountain News Article

Randall Terry, Right to Life activist, founder of Operation Rescue, involved in the Terri Schiavo protests. Once imprisoned for sending former President Bill Clinton an aborted fetus. His son Jamiel is gay; his daughter Tila had sex outside of marriage, became pregnant, had a miscarriage - she is no longer welcome in his home; his daughter Ebony had 2 children outside of wedlock and became Muslim. He has campaigned against infidelity and birth control, gays and unwed mothers. Terry himself was censured by his church after committing adultery.

Bill Thomas Republican congressman, had an affair with Deborah Steelman, a health care lobbyist who steered huge campaign gifts to Thomas' war chest.

Strom Thurmond, republican senator and racist, raped and impregnanted a 15-year old African American maid. (BBC Article)

Robin Vanderwall, Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate, director of Faith & Family Alliance, (a Christian Coalition spin off), former student of Pat Robertson's Regent Universtity, member of Ralph Reed's inner circle who funneled money to from lobbiest Jack Abromoff to Reed , convicted in Virginia for soliticing sex from a 13-year-old-boy and on four other counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet. Virginian-Pilot Article

J.C. Watts, Representative (R-Oklahoma), loud champion of "moral values." Has out-of-wedlock children.

Jim West, Spokane Mayor. Supported a bill, which failed, would have barred gays and lesbians from working in schools, day-care centers and some state agencies. Voted to bar the state from distributing pamphlets telling people how to protect themselves from AIDS. Proposed that “any touching of the sexual or other intimate parts of a person” among teens be criminalized. Had a sexual affair with an 18 year old boy.Source: Spokesman review

Keith Westmoreland, a Tennessee state representative (R), was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to minors under 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children). Tennesean Article

Stephen White, Republican preacher. Was arrested after allegedly offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him. Daily Pennsylvanian article | Daily yale News Article

Prosecutors are investigating allegations Congressman/Felon Randy Cunningham was periodically supplied with prositutes.

and many more...

No need to even say her name.
Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at July 9, 2007 11:57 PM

yes there is...

Give me a C-
Give me an E-
.................

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 12:32 AM

You just know she's about to type an "i" next...

Aw, anon....you ruined it......now blindrat needs to make a longer list!

Point is folks, a politican will tell us what he/she thinks is right and wrong and be just as vulnurable to not do as they preach....

And I'm not only talking sex......

Global Warming.....oh the hypocrisy just this past weekend

Poverty alleviation......this is to the dems what sex is to the repubs, Do as I say..".....a great strawman too!

Political cronyism....once again an equal opportunity killer to both ends of the political spectrum

This list seems endless as well......

I like that ol' cliche about glass houses.

and many more...

Posted by: blindrat at July 10, 2007 11:58 AM

What? Did your hand get a cramp from cut-n-pasting from the Specious Points for Braindead Partisans site?

cee,

LONG lists are better...

cee,

LONG lists are better...

Posted by: blindrat at July 10, 2007 12:06 PM

Commonsense better still...

Love the non-politicians in that rat-hack list. I guess all democrats are open game... not just the senators and house members as was originally challenged.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 12:32 AM

You just know she's about to type an "i" next...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 11:59 AM

I love how Cecelia ASSumes the anon is female.

I love how Cecelia ASSumes the anon is female.

Posted by: Great Thanks at July 10, 2007 12:13 PM

How many aka(s) you going to use, girl-friend?

> LONG lists are better...

The longer the better. Nobody even tries to defend Olbermann, you'll notice. His "legal expert" guest contradicts an opinion he gave on a previous show, and Olby never mentions it. Monkeymann cites Nixon as the symbol of executive privilege, while giving B.J. Clinton another free pass. Then, after hyping the importance of a federal ruling, he completely spikes any reporting of the fact that the ruling has been completely overturned.

This is what passes for "news" on The Hour of Spin. And it's so obviously indefensible that the Olbypologists don't even try any more. They just change the subject to something--anything--other than the slimy, sleazy pseudo-journalism of the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann.

Better crank those diversions up to "11", guys. Olbermann is more indefensible than ever.

In blindrat's desperate attempt to smear Pres. Bush 41, here's the best he can come up regarding the completely unfounded rumors that GHWB had an extramarital affair:

"But, here's a more reliable source: “It wasn’t just another woman,” said someone close to the situation, discussing the wedge that came between Bush and Barbara. “It was a woman who came to exert enormous influence over George for many, many years . . . She became in essence his other wife . . . his office wife.”

Notice there is no evidence, just some unidentified person "close to the situation" making completely unbcorroborated sleazy allegations.

What's really interesting about this sleazy story is that one the primary purveyors of this story was Democratic hit man Joe Conanson who wrote about it in 1992 in Spy Magazine. So one would think that Conanson would consider allegations of marital infidelity to be fair game during presidential campaigns, eh?

Well, think again. After all Conanson is a Democrat and double standards are the order of the day for drecks like him. Here is what Conanson had to say during the 2004 campaign when allegations about John Kerry's extramarital activity were circulating:

"Is American politics suddenly returning to the bad old days, when Washington journalism became frenzied with sheet sniffing and keyhole peeping? ...
Once again, Drudge has raised questions -- but they may not be the ones he seeks to raise. The first is about journalistic standards. The second is the identity of his anonymous sources. Journalists must ask themselves why the rumor of a private peccadillo deserves their attention and resources in the 2004 campaign."

--Joe Conason, Salon, Feb. 13, 2004

Love the non-politicians in that rat-hack list. I guess all democrats are open game... not just the senators and house members as was originally challenged.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 12:11 PM

"Open game" only if you're desparate enough to suggest that human nature only affects a particular group.

>>Love the non-politicians in that rat-hack list. I guess all democrats are open game... not just the senators and house members as was originally challenged.

I love the non-sex scandals in your list, son. Especially the ones that date back before the seventies.

The debate was about "sex scandals", child...

This is what passes for "news" on The Hour of Spin. And it's so obviously indefensible that the Olbypologists don't even try any more. They just change the subject to something--anything--other than the slimy, sleazy pseudo-journalism of the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann.

Better crank those diversions up to "11", guys. Olbermann is more indefensible than ever.

Posted by: johnny dollar at July 10, 2007 12:17 PM

I'm not so sure Olbermann isn't to be commended for some sort of public service in this regard.

Imagine the "reality based community" watching one news show where that show actually covered the whole of reality...

The ensuant head explosions would constitute a tremendous biological hazard...

Dollar,

I don't particulary care about Olbermann right now. The gauntlet was thrown down this morning and I took it up. Cee took up your side of the issue. As for executive privilege and Bush's misuse of it, if you cannot see the corruption for the trees by this time, you are hopelessly lost...

I agree Blindrat... the first non-sexual corrupt list came from the right. My bad.

How many aka(s) you going to use, girl-friend?
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 12:15 PM

Probably as many as your Brandon attacks, boy friend.

How many aka(s) you going to use, girl-friend?
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 12:15 PM

Probably as many as your Brandon attacks, boy friend.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 12:31 PM

It's your calling, no doubt.

Brandon is in dire need of his own mini-me and your gender makes that even more poetic.

Looks like McCain is McCooked. He cooked himself after he aligned himself with the drunk murderer and Feinbronze. McCain is history.

agree Blindrat... the first non-sexual corrupt list came from the right. My bad.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 12:30 PM

That IS interesting, Chickenblogger.

Does this mean the list was formulated in sanskrit or ascii?

Blindrat....

I think person by person allowed the reader to think about the specific case and whether the poor soul deserved our judgement!

Now you go and c/p a huge list that I have neither the time nor desire to read.

Your belief that republicans are worse offenders is dubious especially when one considers human nature. Just because a politician who wants to represent and encourage the best in all people (including fidelity the vows spoken to one's spouse), falters does not make his/her fall any worse than the politican who demands the best from us in other areas and does not follow his/her own sermon.

cee,

I'm a firm believer in "projection": Where the one who screams the loudest about morals has the most trouble maintaining them...

Congressman Mel Reynolds, the Democrat convicted of 12 charges, including sex with 16-year-old Beverly Heard and asking her to take pornographic photographs of a 15-year old, was indicted on August 21, 1994. ABC, the current scourge of congressional teen-sex scandals, reported nothing – until Reynolds was convicted a year later, on August 23, 1995. In fact, on May 13, 1994, ABC featured Reynolds in a "Person of the Week" speaking out in favor of two Chicago ladies fighting child molesters:

Peter Jennings: " Their local congressman is certainly on their side. He also wants to make child molesting a federal offense."

Rep. Mel Reynolds (D), Illinois: "These ladies really illustrate how being active in your community can really make a difference."

Jennings: " If the law is to change, it will need the support of many more state legislators, which means more mothers will have to get involved."

ABC’s World News Tonight story on Reynolds being convicted on August 23, 1995, didn’t have any fury about how Democrats could allow this sexual predator in their caucus. For their part, ABC seemed more suffused with sadness than outrage:

Diane Sawyer, substitute anchor: "In Chicago, Congressman Mel Reynolds remains free on his own recognizance after his conviction last night of having sex with a minor. His lawyers say they'll appeal. In the meantime, the Illinois Democrat will continue to pick up a paycheck, as ABC's Ron Claiborne reports."

Ron Claiborne: "In the end, it was Mel Reynolds' own words that led to his conviction on charges of having sex with a 16-year-old girl. Jurors said the most powerful evidence against him was police tape recordings of his intimate phone conversations with Beverly Heard, now 19."

Jeslyn Cipriani, Juror: "It was the tapes, the transcripts that we heard, Mel and Beverly talking."

Claiborne: "At one point on the tapes, which were made with Heard's cooperation, she and Reynolds discussed what underwear he prefers. He also uses explicit language as he talks about having sex with her and with himself. On the stand, Reynolds denied ever having sex with Heard. He insisted their conversations were only phone sex fantasies. But the jury convicted him of all 12 felony counts, including sexual abuse and sexual assault. He was also found guilty of soliciting child pornography for asking Heard for a nude photo of a 15-year-old girl; and of obstruction of justice, for trying to get Heard to recant her accusations.

How many aka(s) you going to use, girl-friend?
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 12:15 PM
That IS interesting, Chickenblogger.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 12:39 PM

I use "Great Thanks" as apposed to an "anon", which drives Cecelia crazy, just be thoughful. Thanks for the attack, Christian.

Wow, rk! You managed to find ONE...

"I'm a firm believer in "projection": Where the one who screams the loudest about morals has the most trouble maintaining them"

So do you apply this theory to cases such as John Edwards?

The former senator has made poverty alleviation his biggest issue.....

Does Mr. Edwards have trouble maintaining the moral virtue of charity? I think he does.

Is Edwards projecting, blindrat?

cee,

I'm a firm believer in "projection": Where the one who screams the loudest about morals has the most trouble maintaining them...

Posted by: blindrat at July 10, 2007 12:51 PM

Well, that's not a very commonsensical notion as a matter of the social dynamics of such a situation or as matter its negative impact on society.

Those is no inherent psychological pathology in fostering traditional morality.

What you term as "projection" is explained by the fact that we tend to notice those who don't practice what they preach and to have noticed them more the louder they had preached it.

Secondly, if we instill the idea that only perfect people can champion the best of ideas and principles then we've really done a diservice to the next generation.

As for the hypocrisy question...as in sexual vs.... environmental? :D..... well, other lifestyle choices then... I'm not sure what a list of people who have had or are having sexual indiscressions (is there any political party that is NOT for faithfulness within marriage?) means in comparision to a list of list of people who want international and national laws changed in order to reflect what they believe to be sound environmental policy, but who have the means and the inclination to avoid those same strictures themselves.

use "Great Thanks" as apposed to an "anon", which drives Cecelia crazy, just be thoughful. Thanks for the attack, Christian.

Posted by: Great Thanks at July 10, 2007 12:54 PM

huh? Actually, the more anons you use the more you reveal yourself.

Trust me... I'm all for that... :D

the list is endless.......
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Indeed, it is, and the point is not who is the worst, but to examine our anthropology. When Newt attacked President Clinton for doing the same thing President Clinton was doing (indeed, perhaps even worse), Newt had to pay the price. He's been relegated to some FOX outpost to vent and spew from time-to-time, while Clinton is an enormously popular and respected figure in American life and politics.

As for our latest sinner and his wife, two (2) more sanctimonious people do not exist.

I think the formula might be:

Fall + Confess = (Political) Forgiveness
Fall + Codemn + Confess = (Political) Purgatory.

That's where I think the Republicans run afoul of popular opinion. Democrats are sickening in their willingness, their desire to admit they are flawed. Republicans are revolting in the continuous (false) claim to moral superiority. Because of that, a fallen Republican is far more noteworthy than a fallen Democrat. A Republican divorce (our only divorced president has been a Republican, and I have lost count of the number of divorces among the Republican candidates for President) is more noticeable. It's nothing the Democrats or the MSM have done. It seems to be a Republican startegy. Give a press conference on moral values on the way home from the whore house ....

"Give a press conference on moral values on the way home from the whore house ...."

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In regards to the specific case of Sen. David Vitter (R, LA), please provide a link to a press conference where this actually took place.

Generalizing about "republicans" requesting moral purity while they do the exact oppositie is quite a stretch from someone who desires the best in themselves and others and then fails to live up to the high mark.

I guess we are into the realm of just not having high marks.

I think that is how political opponents want the story to go.....Senator Vitter is a republican so that automatically makes him less deserving of ones understanding of human fallability.

I do not think I like that application of justice....it seems very arbitrary.

Wow, rk! You managed to find ONE...

Posted by: blindrat at July 10, 2007 1:04 PM

To use broke down beat up jalopy's catch phrase, "the list is endless".......

That's where I think the Republicans run afoul of popular opinion. Democrats are sickening in their willingness, their desire to admit they are flawed. Republicans are revolting in the continuous (false) claim to moral superiority. Because of that, a fallen Republican is far more noteworthy than a fallen Democrat. A Republican divorce (our only divorced president has been a Republican, and I have lost count of the number of divorces among the Republican candidates for President) is more noticeable. It's nothing the Democrats or the MSM have done. It seems to be a Republican startegy. Give a press conference on moral values on the way home from the whore house ....

Posted by: Clucker at July 10, 2007 1:17 PM

You could just as easily say... champion *feminism* while you put the hand of an underlying on your penis or you tell your aide Sidney Blumenthall that the office girl you use as a sexual ashtry is "stalking" you....or while the young girl you have an affair with disappears....and you've lied to the police about her whereabouts the night before in order to protect your career.... or officially slime Kathleen Wiley and Juanita Broderick after they make against a Dem president when you're the National Organization for Women.... or call Republican female pols and pol candidates names like "Dragon Lady" and "The Breck Girl" when you're a feminist and female Democratic pol.... or.....etc....etc....

So, it really depends upon your perspective.

If you're going to engage in such silliness perhaps you should broaden yours....

"I think that is how political opponents want the story to go.....Senator Vitter is a republican so that automatically makes him less deserving of ones understanding of human fallability."

No, the fact that he preaches about "family values" and rails against what he sees as immoral behavior while he's getting his rocks off is what makes him less deserving.

Vitter, in short, is a hypocrite.

"No, the fact that he preaches about "family values" and rails against what he sees as immoral behavior while he's getting his rocks off is what makes him less deserving."

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Do you have a link to his sermon on family values, anon, or are you just assuming language because the man has an (R) after his name?

beat up jalopy, where does "I didn't have sexual relations with that woman" fall in your "democrats are holier than thou" list?

"I think that is how political opponents want the story to go.....Senator Vitter is a republican so that automatically makes him less deserving of ones understanding of human fallability."

No, the fact that he preaches about "family values" and rails against what he sees as immoral behavior while he's getting his rocks off is what makes him less deserving.

Vitter, in short, is a hypocrite.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 1:34 PM

It's curious that no one is pointing out the perils and projection of preaching the moral principle of honesty--- via pointing to pols who have gotten caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

> Vitter, in short, is a hypocrite.

Amazing that an Olbypologist should complain about hypocrisy! Is it not hypocritical to hype a court ruling into a huge story, and then not even tell your viewers that the ruling was reversed? Is it not hypocrisy to question Bill O'Reilly's "manhood" because he supposedly didn't object to the OJ Simpson book in the works from NewsCorp--while all along Olby says not one word about Don Imus? And then defend himself by saying in broadcasting you don't criticize your own company?

Would you like another several dozen examples of Olbypocrisy? You'll find them here. So make sure to crank up the diversions to get the subject off the discredited sports guy.

I think it's time to understand what all this jabber is really about. Its purpose is to change the subject, get the topic off Olbermann. How many of the people who come here and flood these comments with irrelevancies and distractions work in Seacaucus? How many are sent by blue blogs and Olbyloon strongholds to keep discussions here as far away from the documentation of Olbermoronn's reprehensible slanted reporting and outright lies?

It's a testament to the power of this site, actually, that they are so worried about how their idol has been revealed has a hypocritical, partisan hack that they turn to such desperate measures to change the subject.

I do not think I like that application of justice....it seems very arbitrary.

Posted by: cee at July 10, 2007 1:29 PM

Well, that's really the point. Whether you're making a list of hypocritical celebrities or hypocritical pols both lists are just damn silly. Realities really ARE different for celebrities than for average folks.... and personal failures often result in personal triumphs that put a nail in the coffin of the notion of it being desirable that only perfect people preach perfect principles.

I'm NOT arguing that individuals shouldn't be held accountable for not practicing what they preach, etc,

However, lists of people being hypocritical are used as a quick indictment against an entire platform or stance--- global warming policy.... family values policy... (how ever you define these things) rather than as real debate about the pros and cons of certain policies.

Again, it's specious stuff and anyone who considers himself to be an "educator" like Clucker calls himself, should automatically dismiss this silliness.

However, lists of people being hypocritical are used as a quick indictment against an entire platform or stance--- global warming policy.... family values policy... (how ever you define these things) rather than as real debate about the pros and cons of certain policies.

Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 2:07 PM

Good point. And very true.

"How many of the people who come here and flood these comments with irrelevancies and distractions work in Seacaucus? How many are sent by blue blogs and Olbyloon strongholds to keep discussions here as far away from the documentation of Olbermoronn's reprehensible slanted reporting and outright lies?"

And how many are just sick and tired of people like you?

I've never even been to Seacaucus, I don't work for a "blue blog". I just don't like you - is that such a hard concept to grasp?

"It's a testament to the power of this site, actually, that they are so worried about how their idol has been revealed has a hypocritical, partisan hack that they turn to such desperate measures to change the subject."

Yeah, you said it brother...testify! This is one hell of a powerfull site. The liberals are on the run.

Either that or it's just ?@#!ing insane to obssess endlessly about a single lowly rated tv news clown. Hmmm...tough call.

Olbyloon strongholds to keep discussions here as far away from the documentation of Olbermoronn's reprehensible slanted reporting and outright lies?

It's a testament to the power of this site, actually, that they are so worried about how their idol has been revealed has a hypocritical, partisan hack that they turn to such desperate measures to change the subject.

Posted by: johnny dollar at July 10, 2007 1:59 PM

It just goes to show you that when Olbermann called himself "nonpolitical" he was using a far more accurate term than he realized.

He meant "nonpartisan", of course, but he really isn't political in that he gives a damn about ideas be it the rulings about prisoners in gitmo, the NSA eaves dropping policy, or voting irregularities...

Olbermann is all about whatever can be used against his ideological opponents one day and then drop it like it's hot when it becomes something that has to be handled as more than a propaganda tool the next day.

"It's a testament to the power of this site, actually, that they are so worried about how their idol has been revealed has a hypocritical, partisan hack that they turn to such desperate measures to change the subject."

Yeah, you said it brother...testify! This is one hell of a powerfull site. The liberals are on the run.

Either that or it's just ?@#!ing insane to obssess endlessly about a single lowly rated tv news clown. Hmmm...tough call.

How many posters you know certainly that they work in Seacaucus?
How many posters you know certainly that they are sent by the blue blogs?

Those numbers ought to be as good for laughs as BovineQueen's paranoid list.

Posted by: Average American Patriot at July 10, 2007 2:09 PM

AAP, I don't think there's any doubt.

Go over to the Real Reason Dan Patrick Is Leaving.... thread and read that craziness. THEN tell me it's not posted by the Olbermeister himself.... :D

> And how many are just sick and tired of people like you?

Then leave. That will have the added benefit of raising the average IQ around here as well.

mexican patty, I'll see your vitter and raise you a McCreepy McGreevy.

"In a stunning announcement, New Jersey Governor James McGreevey announced that he had an extramarital affair with another man. Finally, a Democrat who can honestly say, 'I did not have sex with that woman!"

mexican patty, exactly how many sites have you been banned or blocked from posting on? Shocker!

> does so to defend and distract from Olby.

Yeah what an odd notion. That of millions of websites, people who come to an Olbermann website do so because of an interest in Olbermann. Either pro or con. What a ridiculous idea that is.

Even AAP himself is here because he likes Olbermann. That's how most people who are here found the site, searching for "Olbermann". But his "method" of defending the discredited sports guy is not even to try to logically support Olbermann's slovenly hack "reporting", but to disrupt and focus on everything EXCEPT Olbermann.

What reason would someone have to come to an Olbermann website to talk about everything EXCEPT Olbermann?

Go over to the Real Reason Dan Patrick Is Leaving.... thread and read that craziness.
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I'll venture you are talking about the "posts" within Brandon's blog entry.

Posted by: Average American Patriot at July 10, 2007 2:39 PM

No, I mean the blog entry of the post explaining the REAL reason why Dan is leaving ESPN.

There's NO fan that sycophantic.

It HAD to be Olbermann... :D

AAP,
Are you a 13 year old girl? You always sound (post) like a petulant child.

I still have not heard documentation from the posters on Senator's Vitter's damnation sermon vi/vi fornication, adultery and or the virtues of the missionary position.....

Thank you J$ for documenting Keith Olbermann's sermonizing about the virtues and law of the religious left....it makes it all so easy to see the true definition of hypocrisy.

I am waiting Truth, anon and or blindrat.

there was a small plane crash in Orlando FL this morning, killing 5 people. I wonder how Olby will try to pin the blame on Bush for this one.

"I still can't believe the idiocy spouted from the RWers, it is hilarious!"

Yes, because "Paranoid moron Bu$hwipes" is the height of intellectual writing.

two weeks ago, WWE wrestler Chris Benoit killed himself, along with his wife and young child. I wonder how the far left Bush hate machine, led by four eyes himself, will pin the blame on Bush for this one.

this past week, there has been record heats in parts of the mid-West, topping 100 degrees and making it very unsafe for the elderly. I wonder how the far left Bush haters and Olby himself will pin the blame on the president for this one.

from the AP: A 6-year-old boy who drowned in his grandparents' half-drained pool died while saving his 3-year-old sister, family members said.

I wonder how the far left Bush haters and Olby himself will pin the blame on the president for this one.

AAP is one of me.

According to TVNewser, NBC Nightly got its lowest ratings in 20 years last week. He compared last week's ratings to the same time period a year ago.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/

Why? Maybe it's NBC's socialist agenda that is driving viewers away. Let's see if Olby makes Nightly's ratings tank even further.

>>>>>...However, lists of people being hypocritical are used as a quick indictment against an entire platform or stance--- global warming policy.... family values policy... (how ever you define these things) rather than as real debate about the pros and cons of certain policies.>>>>>>

That is indeed a good, if obvious, point. While I think it's reasonable to say that a disproportionately large minority of the people who like to rail on these issues are personal train-wrecks that are unhealthily obsessed, that doesn't mean banning womens or demon alcohol, or blacks, or gays or whatever isn't still a great idea.

So let's have it: What is your favorite "family values" issue and why?

I ask because with the morals crowd, it seems hard to outline exactly what the general policy prescriptions we are supposed to debate are. They seem to change a lot. When something is as nebulous and personal as the "family values" platform, it's only natural that there be some tighter identification between the people at the head of the movement and the movement itself. It's kind of like the unjust equivalence that is made between James Jones and all those people who drank his cool-aid. Jones was a vector for some very unspecific beliefs about moral degradation and the decline of society and religion. There would be no way to prove or disprove these beliefs, mostly because they would be so unspecific. It's easy and profitable to run with that ball.

Today's morals politicians are similar in form if not in disastrous function. The platform is so vague that the person kind of takes over. Given the ease of "getting away" with this type of behavior, the fact that so many high ranking members of this movement get caught with their pants down and their loofahs at the ready does make one wonder. But I don't think these incidents really indict the movement any more than gang shootings indict rap music. The two do seem to go together, but one doesn't cause the other.

What does indict the values movement is it's constantly shifting targets and general incoherence. And that's probably why it attracts a lot of train-wrecks like Haggard. In short, while I'll agree that an issue should not be addressed by it's figureheads, I'd love to hear one of you pro-values folk come out with some actual arguments in favor of the "hey, remember the 50's!!" club.

>>A staunch conservative, Vitter disavowed same-sex unions during his 2004 campaign, boasting that he had co-authored and fought for the Federal Marriage Amendment. He further vowed to protect "the sanctity of marriage."
"This is a real outrage. The Hollywood left is redefining the most basic institution in human history, and our two U.S. senators won't do anything about it," he said in a statement on his campaign Web site. "We need a U.S. senator who will stand up for Louisiana values, not Massachusetts values."
Massachusetts has a lower divorce rate than Louisiana. Maybe that explains Senator Vitter hiring a whore.

"It appears that America's anti-Biblical feminist movement is at last dying, thank God, and is possibly being replaced by a Christ-centered men's movement which may become the foundation for a desperately needed national spiritual awakening."?
Translation:
I like to watch young boys get undressed.

"There is no separation of church and state. Modern US Supreme Courts have raped the Constitution and raped the Christian faith and raped the churches by misinterpreting what the Founders had in mind in the First Amendment to the Constitution."

Translation: Raping! Raping! So harsh. Why can't there just be more innocent platonic love, and friendly massages in the rectory and so forth?

"But these things speak evil of those things, verse 10 [reading from Jude] which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Look at the Metropolitan Community Church today, the gay church, almost accepted into the World Council of Churches. Almost, the vote was against them. But they will try again and again until they get in, and the tragedy is that they would get one vote. Because they are spoken of here in Jude as being brute beasts, that is going to the baser lust of the flesh to live immorally, and so Jude describes this as apostasy. But thank God this vile and satanic system will one day be utterly annihilated and there'll be a celebration in heaven."?
Trans- Brute beasts!! Naked brute beasts bearing down on our precious holy clean sacredness making us all dirty and filthy.

No, no, no, AAP isn't the resident petulant 13-year old girl. That title goes to Cecelia.

I don't see Cecelia posting the same stupid comment every day. You may think her comments are stupid, but at least they vary. AAP and his stupid "moron paranoid bushwipes" every day is more like a child. Nice try with the "nuh unh, SHE is," though.

"My hat's off to Clucker, he's got you good and you don't even know it.

Thanks Bob!
Posted by: Average American Patriot at July 10, 2007 3:07 PM"

Patsy, what does that mean?

What do you know and when did you know it? :)

Grammie

SLOB, I haven't been able to really read and respond to you for a few days.

I will do it and save it until I see you here and know you will probably see it.

Grammie
AKA One HOT Chick :)

My hat's off to Clucker, he's got you good and you don't even know it.

Thanks Bob!

Posted by: Average American Patriot at July 10, 2007 3:07 PM
How does broke down beat up piece of shit "got me good," asswipe? By crying "racist" everytime he makes a post with no proof? Avoiding the fact he can't and never has backed his spew? Whatever you do change, your ignorance shines on a daily basis.....keep your face buried in the bbc webpages, too.

don't change, asswipe. correction.

What does indict the values movement is it's constantly shifting targets and general incoherence. And that's probably why it attracts a lot of train-wrecks like Haggard. In short, while I'll agree that an issue should not be addressed by it's figureheads, I'd love to hear one of you pro-values folk come out with some actual arguments in favor of the "hey, remember the 50's!!" club.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 4:17 PM

Well, being a "pro-values" folk is sort of like being an environmentalist, you think you are one then there's someone with their version telling you that they beg to differ...

But if want someone to offer up a 50's value issue, I'll give you mine and tell you it's the best I have...

I'd like for their to be two types of marriage ceremonies for straights as well as gays, with differing ensuant legal ramifications. I'd like there to be a civil one in which all the standards of our modern society apply, and one in which a stricter code is observed as well as a tougher standard for breaking the union.

ignorance shines
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We have a new category of grammatical blunder. Instead of a mixed metaphor, we have one which has been chopped, diced and pureed.

Ignorance shines?

In the case of He of Many Names, it apparently seeps from every pore.

I think the reason he must not like the BBC is that it goes over his head. Of course, that could be a very low ball.

No, no, no, AAP isn't the resident petulant 13-year old girl. That title goes to Cecelia.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 4:44 PM

Anonyloons are always impervious to their own irony... :D

I still have not heard documentation from the posters on Senator's Vitter's damnation sermon vi/vi fornication, adultery and or the virtues of the missionary position.....

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I tend to think you're joking, Cee, since this is part of our political lexicon. However, even Vitter's Senate website goes on and on about family values.

I did just try to post an answer with approximately 20 links to it restating this, but I was told that as a first time poster my comments were submitted for review.

I don't know if that means I made a typo in the name or e-mail address or if it means the Harpy Trio has called out the thought police. Probably, the former. In any event, you may or may not ever see the links.

cee, clunker has made MANY asinine comments in which he has run full speed and back pedaled from because when confronted on them he can't back them with anything that resembles proof, i.e. "republicans leaving the whore house to preach family values" is his latest hate/catch phrase in which he can't back. All spew, all the time from broke down beat up jalopy/clunker.

I don't know if that means I made a typo in the name or e-mail address or if it means the Harpy Trio has called out the thought police.

Posted by: Clucker at July 10, 2007 6:34 PM

hmmm..... could a few stretches on a rack somewhere give Clucker the ability to debate rather than whine that he's being 'proselytized'?....

Nahhhh..... it couldn't.

But what the hell... put him on the rack, we love his screams...

When are you going to start ignoring me, Ye of Many Names?

My actual quote was:

"It seems to be a Republican startegy. Give a press conference on moral values on the way home from the whore house ...."

If you are going to give a direct quote, you use quotation marks. If you are merely paraphrasing, you don't. It is not just a grammatical nicety. It makes a huge difference.

You've never gotten anything in your life correct, have you Ye of Many Names?

Clucker, just to let you know.

Posted by: Average American Patriot at July 10, 2007 6:52 PM

Spoil sport...

Thanks, AAP. On reflection, I thought it might have to do with the number of links.

Useful tip.

And, of course, good to know Cecelia is into SM. Not at all surprised, of course.

And, of course, good to know Cecelia is into SM. Not at all surprised, of course.

Posted by: Clucker at July 10, 2007 6:59 PM

Sqawk for me, pet...

"Give a press conference on moral values on the way home from the whore house ...."

Posted by broke down beat up jalopy/clunker/liar.

"republicans leaving the whore house to preach family values"

Posted by: royalking at July 10, 2007 6:44 PM

Spin and squirm all you want, clunker, there is no difference in what I posted and what you said "teacher." Can a flunkie/hypocrite be hired as a teacher? What state do you liv in? Poor kids. If their parents only knew....What am I saying, you not a teacher, no one in their right mind would hire you, not even in Colorado/Ward Churchill country.

you [sic] not a teacher
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you a idiot

Never said I was a teacher. Said it was my avocation, not my vocation. Look up the words.

When are you going to start ignoring me?

By the way: Why do you hate our troops, Ye of Many Names?

Sqawk for me, pet...

Posted by: Cece;oa at July 10, 2007 7:04 PM

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Sorry I couldn't live up to your fantasies. Happily married, never divorced Democrat. Not into kinkiness, but tolerant enough to allow you to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt anyboday else.

On a more serious note: He of Many Names has caused me to reflect, perhaps a reflection borne of the dazzling light of his profound ignorance, maybe from his latest blazing cross. Have you ever noticed some of the most liberal of people, politically, live the most conservative of lives, even dressing conservatively, and some of the most conservative of people live outllandish lives? I think people like to "wear" contradictions and, perhaps, rebellion, even against one's self, is as natural as lanolin to a ewe.

I know I am by desire a real homebody, who would pick going to a T-ball game over an opera any night, and that my favorite attire is a long-sleeved white button-down collar shirt with a scholastic tie and a chalk strip suit, in navy, of course. I am given to a simple Tudor with Queen Anne furnishings in greens and old golds. Yet, I bet there are Bushies reading this who go in for split levels with Danish Modern and watch "Sex and the City" reruns while eating Jerry Garcia. People are interesting.

Have a good evening, Cecelia. Softball tonight.

Have a good evening, Cecelia. Softball tonight.

Posted by: Clucker at July 10, 2007 7:54 PM

Back atya, sweety.

broke down piece of shit, when you can't spell yourself, you really shouldn't be "schooling" other people in that area.
First: "anyboday" is spelled anybody, tard.
Second: "outllandish" is spelled outlandish, tard.
Third: keep accusing me of posting under other names while you won't say which names I am suppost to be posting under, please, it continues to make you look like te liar that you are. He who has "been to Warsaw" but didn't know if they had a subway system.

Thank you, Ye of Many Names. I got in a rush and made a host of typos. There is no excuse for such slopiness, and I do sincerely apologize.

"sloppiness" has dos p's not uno, "teacher."

Willfully commiting an afront to the standard you claim others should follow is hypocrisy. I would still like to see the evidence that Senator Vitter lived a lifestyle that showed such an attitude or was this a mistake he made just like the many politicans listed above.

The differentiation based on party is a strawman that only serves as an easy way out to analyze the offense. That is why I brought up the other moral issues that seem so important to the left. It is very easy to point out the failings of others when they are so opinionated, however, as politicians, they have to have opinions.

I agree with Cecelia that traditional marriage in the religious sense should be argued as a valid component of our society. Civil unions for secular recognition of a relationship may be the answer while true marriage is still a function of a commitment between two people of different genders. This definition of marriage is supported by secular anthropomorphic and sociologic history.

The tradtional or religious sensibilities of people should be respected, debated civilly and not trashed by simple arguments about some Senator who used an escort service. Just like the left gets irritated by arguments against their views based on "lowest common denominator" strawmen and not "logic," or "reason," my point all along yesterday was that the messy weapon of demogoguery should not be so easily flung about.

But again, I am on OW and Keith Olbermann is the expert on using demogoguery as his SOLE debate technique, and those that like him tend to imitate him.

"I'd like for their to be two types of marriage ceremonies for straights as well as gays, with differing ensuant legal ramifications. I'd like there to be a civil one in which all the standards of our modern society apply, and one in which a stricter code is observed as well as a tougher standard for breaking the union."

Pretty short on details, so I'll just address the spirit. It's weird. Look at what you are proposing. First, you want the law to be changed so both straights and gays all have access to the same legal choices and arrangements; Good. That's American. That's progressive. That's freedom-loving. I'm down with that.

But now here is the weird part: you want there to be two government enforced levels of marriage: Civil, and Civil+. The plus would seem to be a stand-in for old-time-religion, but we'll leave that possible conflict alone, since you haven't officially gone there yet, and probably won't have to as long as you don't actually try to name legal grounds for disolving a Civil+ beyond saying that it will be "strict."

What is weird about this to an American is a deliberate yearning for a decrease in personal freedom. The liberalization of divorce law has been a positive story on the whole, both for the marriages that get disolved and those that don't. Divorces skyrocketed at first, as the backlog of misery cleared, and now the rate is on a slow and steady decline, led by the more liberal states. That's a sign to me that the quality of marriages before liberal divorce wasn't very good, and now it is improving markedly.

I would consider any legal bounds that forced my wife and I to stay together to constitute an attack on our marriage, which is predicated first and foremost on our free and unforced desire to be together (And of course, on my completely unforced desire to adequately clean the sink out ALL THE WAY when I do the dishes.) You'll say calling it an attack is over the top, because it is imposed with my own free will. But is that my 24-year-old-free will or my 42-year-old-free will?

Is it liberty-loving to offer impressionable youngsters in love a chance to bind themselves permanently through strict government enforcement, and then police that decision throughout their lives? I'll grant that you're offering them a choice, but it's a choice to give up choice. And it's made under a kind of very natural but very powerfull durress. It's kind of like an Iraqi election. I think longterm the results would be just as bad.

As Americans, don't we believe that freedom and liberty bring positive growth of all kinds, even as some individuals may seem to abuse their freedom? Maybe we should consider that those people who look like they are abusing freedom would be twice as abusive in a situation of coercion. Maybe we should reflect on whether this was perhaps the case in those golden ages. If a father or mother wants to walk away from their spouse and kids, maybe they should. Maybe the alternative is worse.

Judging between personal relations in my parents generation and mine, I'd say the quality of marriages now is better. How about you? The women are more independent, the men are more responsible and caring, everything is more equitable, and everyone recognizes it's an arrangement that needs constant maintenance without complacency. Those who can't figure that out get divorced. And that's good too. I really don't think you could have this kind of progress without the freedom that easy divorce represents.

I would expect to find support for the Civil+ designation from medievalists, catholics, golddiggers, alcoholics, wife-beaters, and Values Republicans, but who else? Who would possibly clammor for a return to increased sitgmatization of divorce and increased government enforcement of couplehood? This strikes you as good? You want to explain why? It strikes me as gross.

What possible interest does the United States have in getting involved in rating and policing marriages? Why wouldn't you just leave it to each person to set their own level of committment, whether they want to do it through the rules of their mosque, or by posting a bond in escrow, or a prenup, or a chastity belt, or what-have-you? Why get the government involved? Why draft universal rules about it? Is this the government's business?

Personally, I think your proposal would hasten the recognition of the general bankruptcy of the enforced morality model. The Civil+ marriages would probably go disproportionately the route of Christianist marriages, ending in scandal, sadness, violence, and whores, and prompting another spike in divorce when the whole project goes belly up-- like it did once before. Meanwhile, the gays would probably seem like models of decorum and "traditional" love in contrast.

"This definition of marriage is supported by secular anthropomorphic and sociologic history."

So is slavery.

>broke down piece of shit, when you can't spell yourself, you really shouldn't be "schooling" other people in that area.
First: "anyboday" is spelled anybody, tard.
Second: "outllandish" is spelled outlandish, tard. Third: keep accusing me of posting under other names while you won't say which names I am suppost to be posting under, please, it continues to make you look like te liar that you are. He who has "been to Warsaw" but didn't know if they had a subway system.

Posted by: royalking at July 10, 2007 9:48 PM

Royal Douche, did you really follow up a scathing post criticizing someone's spelling with a 'suppost.'

Please, leave the spelling and grammar checks to the adults.

Just when I thought this site just couldn't get any more STOOPID...

Olbermann Watch ALWAYS exceeds my expectations for stubborn, self-destructive ignorance.

No wonder you guys don't like KO, it's that fancy book-learning way of his.

I'd change my name if I was you, too.....good thinking.

Erie Bob,

I think I am talking about expanding personal choice when I champion society offering two types of marriage contracts.

Frankly, there is a group of people who do wish to have the sort of marriage arrangement that reflects their values-- that the institutional of marriage is bigger than the couple involved-- and to have that principle reflected in the legal structure of society.

This arrangement would certainly be a matter of choice and could have specific stipulations such as an age requirement to help prevent the situation you describe of a very young couple entering into such an arrangement lghtly.

I think the sober realities of such a marriage contract would cause couples to be more thoughtful when making the decision and less apt to jump in head-over-heels in love...

I'm not convinced we're providing personal freedom of a "couple" when it comes to no fault divorce law, rather than honoring the "personal freedom" of one member of that couple in a way that could certainly make the rejected party feel as though they had little social or legal support.

Your response is interesting. I haven't thought a whole lot about this, but I certainly think that most of the negatives raised --- such as how children would fare living with parents antagoinistic towards each other, etc. could be answered with many of the old fashioned techniques of the past such as basic separation.

Again, I think this is an option many people would find desirable and it would certainly vaiidate the vision of marriage that many teach their children in way that would be reflected in the structure of society.

I think I am talking about expanding personal choice when I champion society offering two types of marriage contracts.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:18 PM

Cecelia meant to finish that sentence with: but, only if you are White, Christian, upper class conservative.

>I think I am talking about expanding personal choice when I champion society offering two types of marriage contracts.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:18 PM

You know, like in the 50's:

'Separate but Equal'

Cecelia meant to finish that sentence with: but, only if you are White, Christian, upper class conservative.

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 7:45 PM

and not a Chickenblogger...

>I think I am talking about expanding personal choice when I champion society offering two types of marriage contracts.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:18 PM

You know, like in the 50's:

'Separate but Equal'

>I think I am talking about expanding personal choice when I champion society offering two types of marriage contracts.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:18 PM

You know, like in the 50's:

'Separate but Equal'

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 7:56 PM

Well, I hadn't considered the idea for group marriage...but yeah,... it could work.....

I think I am talking about expanding personal choice when I champion society offering two types of marriage contracts.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:18 PM

Cecelia meant to finish that sentence with: but, only if you are White, Christian, upper class conservative and not a Chickenblogger.

Cecelia meant to finish that sentence with: but, only if you are White, Christian, upper class conservative and not a Chickenblogger.

Posted by: Cecelia's pet Chicken at July 11, 2007 8:11 PM

Thanks, pet, but I misspoke earlier. Nature excludes chickenbloggers from marriage.

We need only eyesight, not laws, to effect that...

Yawn.

Yawn.

Posted by: Cecelia's pet Chicken at July 11, 2007 8:45 PM

Alright...go ahead.... cluck off...