I knew he was going to use that Media Matters piece... Yep, another Bill-O GOTCHA moment!! Comparing two snippets of commentary a year and a half apart!

What WOULD our favorite slovenly political hack do without the blue blogs???

A.C.C.S.'s Mom: Sonny, are you going to come up stairs out of the basement and eat you're dinner?

A.C.C.S.: No Mom! you know it's the highlight of my pathetic life to be the first to put the same old line on the new thread at olbermannwatch.

A.C.C.S.'s MOM: Okay, but please don't ask me to copy and paste anything for the next hour. Your father and I want to watch 'Hannity & Colmes' okay?

A.C.C.S.: *&^%$##@@#$%$#%%%$^

KO talking about fairness that's rich...and I guess KO didn't have any problem with Moore making fun of Dr.Gupta name which had it been a conservative doing that would have gotten them a spot on WPITW...of course this is no surprise coming from Keith "Wallace is a monkey" Olbermann.

The funeral was today.

Thank you all for your prayers.

Oh yeah. And the lies of this administration were the topic of conversation at the house after the service.

Who's deluded now?

I believe that I read the results of a poll today which shows the current Bush tied with President Nixon as the least popular American president. President Nixon's rating was a couple of days prior to his resignation, while Bush still has 1 1/2 years to plummet. I don't think I'd award a contract to the Mount Rushmore chiselers yet. Maybe, Mr. Olbermann has a better sense of the mood of the nation than many of the contributors to this blog. As a matter of fact, did anyone see the (very) small segment of Bill-o last night before he got into the (much longer) fluff and pablum balance of his show? He seems to be sounding a great deal like Mr. Olbermann now, doesn't he? As the first perspective buyer said in Levittown: What an interesting development!

Woo, John-O, defending the hypocritical oaf O'Really!

Man, how dedicated are you, such a good little WWII German!

btw, it's ok to go outside now. The sky isn't falling after all. Oh yeah, might want to brush up on the principles of formatics before making another ignorance-revealing post, just in case your loved ones are reading.

Toodles!

The funeral was today.

Thank you all for your prayers.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 10, 2007 11:06 PM

Sir Loin, please, please tell me you're not talking about your wife.

What wonderful dialogue, Puck. Witty. Engaging. Making you want to hold onto one line yet eager to move to the next. Have you ever considered a career as a screenwriter? I understand Paris Hilton may be looking for a "vehicle", and I am sure you would look smashing in some Ray Ban Aviators and a pair of Italian loafers without socks. Don't tell me. Midnight Blue with puffy sleeves, third button down, a swatch of hair plastered against a sweaty chest.

Sorry. Not trying to pick on you. Just getting He of Many Names all hot and bothered, testing his fidelity to Dr. Wiener.

I have no idea what you're talking about, Mr. Throat, but I do know that taking two pieces of commentary spaced about 17 months apart, bringing them side by side and using it to paint somebody as a hypocrite is dishonest in the extreme, especially considering commentary made about the ever-evolving situation in Iraq.

Moreover, saying that we should "hand over everything to the Iraqis as fast as humanly possible" is NOT the same as saying we should withdraw our presence there. BO has consistently argued against that.

Cecelia, if that was SLOB, which I seriously doubt, he would have my sympathy.

You may have missed someone who posts as Doc, Chicken Blogger amd some I can't remember now posted a fake SLOB announcement of losing an infant to SIDS then went on post pseudo religious treacly condolences.

I don't know how old this fool is but his mental and emotional age is stuck in the first grade boy's bathroom.

Grammie

Who would have thought broke down beat up jalopy clunker is a metro sexual? It all makes sense, now. Clunker, metro sexual, his hero, Olbermahn, metro sexual. Gonna call me a homophobe, now, jalopy? Might as well throw in a "racist" with no justification, while you're spewing....On a side note, I was riding fence tonight so I couldn't catch Orangy's opening or closing puke fest. Who would have thought in a million years O'Reilly (#1) would have been named WPITW? Shocker.

"I have no idea what you're talking about, Mr. Throat..."
Posted by: John-O at July 10, 2007 11:47 PM

Of course you don't, that's just my point.

The Truth is a constant, my friend, regardless of the number of times one may contradict himself in trying to relate his version of it to anyone who will listen. My money would be on O'Really doing more back flips in this arena than Olbermann, but that's academic at best.

btw, the sky remains unfallen.

See what happens when you watch Olbermahn twice every night? Thank God the Fly Boy is ok. The loon, no comment.

WILLINGBORO — The Pennsauken man who shot and wounded a member of the U.S. Air Force before killing himself left suicide notes that indicated he was “angry at the government and wanted to make a statement” on Independence Day, one of the man’s relatives said yesterday.

Matthew J. Marren, 22, of Walnut Avenue, drove to a home on Windsor Lane rented by Senior Airman Jonathan Schrieken, 22, at about 5:30 p.m. Wednesday. Marren got of this vehicle, found Schrieken outside the house, shot him once in the chest with a small-caliber firearm, then turned the gun on himself, said Burlington County First Assistant Prosecutor Ray Milavsky.

Marren was pronounced dead at Lourdes Medical Center of Burlington County in Willingboro later Wednesday night.

Schrieken was taken to Cooper University Hospital in Camden where was listed in critical but stable condition yesterday afternoon, Milavsky said.

I'm a moron. I can't say much more than moron paranoid BU$HWIPES. It is the highlight of my lonely, pathetic life to wait patiently for the comments to be open so I can post my stupidity first. GO ME! I'M A LAME-O!!

"See what happens when you watch Olbermahn twice every night? Thank God the Fly Boy is ok. The loon, no comment."

Posted by: royalking at July 11, 2007 12:33 AM

Dude, put the pipe down. I think you've had enough for one night. Consider ordering a pizza and get some sleep soon.

Then again, everyone knows that Burlington County has an ordinance requiring every citizen to not only subscribe to basic cable but to wtahc Olbermann at leas once a night. It's a true as the Little Mermaid!

Thank goodness the guys who blow'd up OK City didn't watch Olbermann's show. Whew!

"See what happens when you watch Olbermahn twice every night? Thank God the Fly Boy is ok. The loon, no comment."

Posted by: royalking at July 11, 2007 12:33 AM

Dude, put the pipe down. I think you've had enough for one night. Consider ordering a pizza and get some sleep soon.

Then again, everyone knows that Burlington County has an ordinance requiring every citizen to not only subscribe to basic cable but to watch Olbermann at least once a night. It's as true as the Little Mermaid!

Thank goodness the guys who blow'd up OK City didn't watch Olbermann's show. Whew!

Deepp Throat, I might agree with you that 'The Truth' is a constant. But to even consider it I would have to know quite a bit more. What is your concept of 'The Truth' you are debating and in what parameters.

Which is a completely different concept from what is factual at any given time.

When making such pseudo lofty judgments I suggest you are displaying more ignorance than intellect.

Grammie

Janet, you spelled the loons name wrong, he has changed it twice. Even he spelled it wrong both times, who's hitting the pipe? I know, hard to keep up with the flip floppers......

"Deepp Throat, I might agree with you that 'The Truth' is a constant. But to even consider it I would have to know quite a bit more. What is your concept of 'The Truth' you are debating and in what parameters.

Which is a completely different concept from what is factual at any given time.

When making such pseudo lofty judgments I suggest you are displaying more ignorance than intellect."

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at July 11, 2007 12:45 AM

Yes, I see you're well-enough versed to know the basic philosophic differences between the the two basic types of truths, as described by Socrates.

Good for you. I hope your Freshman journalism classes were as enriching for you as they were for me.

Sorry to disappoint you, but my task was not to appear lofty, just honest. I'm referring to 'the truth' with a capital 'T'... no airs, no fanfare, just plain, unadulterated truth... you really think Mr. Loofah or "I may or may not have earned a major broadcast journalism award" represents a battle worth fighting for?

If so, good luck.

I'm not here to debate the finer points of someone else's psychosis.

Next?

I do.

I'm so chock full of raging undefined hate, feeling victimized by otherwise rational representations of the world as it is, I think I'll vote Republican this time.

Dude, I'm not an Olbyloon. He certainly should know the taste of shoe leather by now, but look at the ridiculous clowns you're defending! Holy shit, they're a half-step, maybe at best, above a crying tax-evading child-touching tv evangelist, if you consider that a bad thing, of course.

"I do."
Posted by: Deap Throte (really John-O) at July 11, 2007 1:16 AM

ROFL! Now.... *that* was unexpectedly funny.

"Dude, I'm not an Olbyloon"

That's what they all say.....the denial will eventually wear off, you'll see.

mexican patty must have just gotten home (I use the term loosely) from happy hour in TJ. Oh boy, time to go.

"Dude, I'm not an Olbyloon"

That's what they all say.....the denial will eventually wear off, you'll see.
Posted by: royalking at July 11, 2007 1:42 AM

OK, as a reasonable-thinking person, I'll await that fate with batied breath. in the meantime, sweet dreams, dear neophytes; I hope the f'n liberal bed bugs don't bite.

Ron Paul in 2008!

Rachel's an Err America bird
(That's a Moonbat if you haven't heard)
She's in bed with Keith
(I believe she's beneath)
And she's echoing his every word

batied, baited
tomato, tow-mah-tow

Who could ask for anything more?

f'n liberal bed bugs.

HAHA! Hot damn, woman. You are a high priestess of poetry!

They might as well change the name of the show to "Media Matters with Keith Olbermann".

Keith Olbermann : "Fairness does not mean treating people equally"

Considering he's their biggest mouthpiece, that'd be a more fitting title.

Heh... snazzy poetry indeed, Katy.
Calvin Trillin must be hunting a dinosaur book as we speak. :)

Re; Media Matters... I think Olbylooon is swiping leads from talkingpointsmemo.com too. Worth monitoring. No joke.

Rachel Maddow is never under any man
No guy will ever put it up her can
But her brain and Keith's did French kiss
Demented Olbylogic amiss
Possible threesome with Michael Moore is the plan?

I dunno, lesbians are kinda hot, even liberal ones, as long as they don't talk too much during bedroom games.

e.e. cummings and (not) e.e. cummings ought to know. :p

Ok, silver to not e e cummings. (btw, thanks for that traumatizing image)

Yeah, the imagery of KO being in the same room, with the potential of the behemoth Michael Moore bursting into the fray (perhaps actually eating the door for the extra fiber) was unsettling at best.

Maybe we could add an all-you-can eat buffet as a distraction.

I haven't noticed anyone talking about Algore's big event over the weekend. Just to get the ball rolling in the right direction there is a first class article here about Global Warming and its causes:

http://www.energytribune.com/articles.cfm?aid=544

The article was written by Joseph D’Aleo, Executive Director, Certified Consultant Meteorologist of ICECAP @:

http://icecap.us/index.php

This site looks like a very good one for anyone on either side of the question to get a good look at the con side of the debate.

Grammie

WASHINGTON | President Bush’s first surgeon general testified Tuesday that his speeches were censored to match administration political positions.

He was prevented from giving the public accurate scientific information on issues such as stem-cell research and teen pregnancy prevention, he said.

“Anything that doesn’t fit into the political appointees’ ideological, theological or political agenda is ignored, marginalized or simply buried,” Richard Carmona, surgeon general from 2002 to 2006, told a congressional committee. “The job of surgeon general is to be the doctor of the nation, not the doctor of a political party.”

Carmona’s remarks were the latest in a series of complaints from government scientists about what they say are administration efforts to control — and sometimes distort — scientific evidence in order to support policy decisions. NASA scientists have complained of pressure to tone down warnings about global warming. EPA officials have said that technical information on power plant emissions and oil drilling have been ignored...

http://www.kansascity.com/news/world/story/185250.html

Grammie,

Perhaps you should've mentioned that Joseph D’Aleo works for the Frasier Institute, which gets a significant portion of its funding from Exxon-Mobil...

This is the first time I've posted today. That funeral stuff was not me.

I am , however, going to insist that Johnny Dollar and Robert Cox report the poster, who has made disturbing, cryptic posts of this sort in my regard in the past, to homeland security.

I am serious,. There are clear responsiblilities on the part of website managers to provide such information to law enforcement.

The funeral was today.

Thank you all for your prayers.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 10, 2007 11:06 PM

In case there is any misunderstanding; Dollar and Cox need to report this person posting under my handle immediately to the appropriate authorities.

Authorities? Under one pretense? SLOB you are over-reaching.

I agree his/her actions are reprehensible, but cops? Chilllll.

I want all the authorities involved. Call Homeland Security, the FBI, and bring back the fairness doctrine. I know what is fair, and it is my opinion that matters.

wow, SLOB has a really high opinion of himself, but he's in fact, a nobody, probably went to the same self esteem school that four eyes did.

Fox Security has been alerted, they're currently on their way....

CRAWFORD, Texas - Cindy Sheehan bid farewell to her former "peace camp" near President Bush's ranch and began a nearly two-week trek Tuesday toward Washington, D.C., with her sights set on House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

Sheehan, a Californian, officially announced that she intends to run as an independent against Pelosi in 2008 if the San Francisco congresswoman doesn't move to impeach Bush by July 23, the day she expects to reach Washington.

"I know what Californians care about," Sheehan said. "They don't care about the ruling power elite."

Sheehan first told The Associated Press on Sunday about her plans to challenge the top-ranking Democrat. She made it official Tuesday at Camp Casey, named after her 24-year-old son, whose death in Iraq first led Sheehan to set up camp in Crawford in 2005 to demand a meeting with Bush, who was on vacation at the time.

Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly said Tuesday that Pelosi's "focus is on ending the war in Iraq."

"She believes that the best way to support our troops in Iraq is to bring them home safely and soon," Daly wrote in an e-mail to The Associated Press. "Democrats will continue to hold the Bush Administration accountable by having votes in July to change course in Iraq; to responsibly redeploy our troops; and to refocus our effort on protecting Americans from terrorism."

But Sheehan said that's not enough.

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war," she said Tuesday. "You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way."

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Yeah! Stop the criminals.....Impeach Bush and Cheney. Bring the troops home now....cut the funds!

Once again the ruling class ignores the people. Oh what are we to do?

Sheehan is still a freak show, whether she camps out in front of Bush's pad...or Pelosi's mansion. So don't jump on her democrat bashing bandwagon. Its hypocritcal! Let her waste away on the vine of obscurity!

Arguably the laziest countdown ever, all three wpitw lifted verbatim with the excpetion of the snarky comments at the end of it. Keith has managed to make his own signature segment a joke by the fact that anyone with half a brain can see its only a segment lifted striclty off the internet

As for Michael Moore picking a fight with CNN, again anyone with half a brain can see why that happened. His movie is going to come in at NOWHERE NEAR the numbers that F911 did, he now needs to resort to picking fights to try to juice his box office and dopey Keith was their to rise to the cause hook, line, and sinker

Keith, I accuse you of being lazy on your own show and I demand you resign

Keith has always been lazy... note the trademark fat ass when filmed below the chest.

Has anyone noticed the countdown desk getting higher and higher each month. Hmmm, its a fat-hiding conspiracy me thinks!

Keith has always been lazy... note the trademark fat ass when filmed below the chest.

Has anyone noticed the countdown desk getting higher and higher each month. Hmmm, its a fat-hiding conspiracy me thinks!

Cindy Sheehan should run against Pelosi. I will vote for her. All war is bad and we should have no military. Only then will we be able to sing koom-by-yah on a daily basis.

>>As for Michael Moore picking a fight with CNN, again anyone with half a brain can see why that happened. His movie is going to come in at NOWHERE NEAR the numbers that F911 did, he now needs to resort to picking fights to try to juice his box office and dopey Keith was their to rise to the cause hook, line, and sinker

DAN,

The problem with a statement like that is that you show us that you lack half a brain, son. Sicko is still in the top ten and this is after a SMALLER release than the other movies on the list, child.

You don't have a problem with Moore showing us how insurance companies are ripping off customers, do you?

That's right Sicko is a smashing success at $11 million dollars gross, and who cares that it did worse in its second week of release even though it was in twice as many theatres as it was in its first week. It is my opinion that it is a smashing success and anyone who disagrees obviously wants poor children to die from lack of health care.

The administration never said there was any connection between Iraq and 9/11?! Thanks for being funnier than Olbermann could ever be!

"Maddow does the sock puppet behavior by answering that the thing that is going to change things is Michael Moore's movie!"

Michael Moore's movies have had little to no impact on our society, other then making his pockets as fat as he is. He is about as relevant as Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson.

PLEEEEEASE ban the Loin imposter!

I was completely surprised that Keithy agreed with everything that Spongemike sweatpants said.

Wait, no I wasn't. Keith will agree with anyone that hates the president on any topic. They are automatically allies.

I must have the original Loin, for it is the Loin that speaks truth to power and it is the Loin whose opinion must be declared as fact. Yes it is the Loin I love and the Loin I must have, so give me back my Loin for it is he who makes my heart stammer, my lip quiver, and mouth banter.

Interesting to see what's going on in the minds of the 29% who still approve Bush's job.
If you say the administraion did nothing to associate 9/11 and Iraq how come more than 70% of Americans believed this? Blame Olbermann or whom?

Here are some facts on this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3119676.stm

Are you guys dumb, in fear or just plain cynics who get payed for your propaganda?

Cee.....I post with "cee."....and a really long signature.....

And this is my post today, the 1,533rd day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

JJ- Its a indictment of the intelligence of americans as a whole. There are countless quotes where bush says there IS NO connection between 911 and Iraq. He DOES say there is a connection between Al Queda and Iraq. So people made the connection from A-B-C. But you loons attack Bush for something HE DID NOT do, because you are loons.

So what's your point?

Yeah JJ- The propaganda is on your end. Your blue blogs spread the bullshit that Bush lied about the connection between 911 and Iraq... which is simply a lie... and dumb lefties like you lap it up. Please keep your uninformed ass on the blue blogs. They are filled with ignorant people like you.

I went to the link you provided, Jimmy....Even without context, the quotes do not lead the thoughtful reader to assume that Iraq launched or even was connected to the events on 9/11....Most are regarding the potential threat Iraq posed now that a terrorist organization was willing to commit mass murder on American soil.

The propaganda regarding "the link," is exactly as Benson and anon suggest....another leftist attempt to muddy the historical waters.....Bush has been clear that he never claimed Iraq was involved in 9/11 specifically....but if you claim IDEOLOGICALLY Saddam would not be in agreement with Bin Laden's stated goals you are ignorant.

My guess is that Jim Junk Jay has spent the last half-hour scanning the net looking for specific instances of Bush making the connection. I hope someone isn't paying him minimum wage as he wastes the time and resources trying to back-up his BS.

MADISON, Wis. — A decomposed body found in a densely wooded area is that of a college student who vanished last month, a coroner confirmed late Tuesday.

hmmmm........I wonder if four eyes will try to somehow blame Bush for the death of this 22 year old girl on his show tonight.

#1 on the Countdown, the Vitter affair, he was talking to Dana Milbank. He derided Vitter for hiring "a twenty-something escort" from the DC madame. He said it condescendingly, as though it was something he would never do. Anyone see something wrong with this?

o wait, there was also record heat across the mid west last week.If there were any deaths a result of the excessive temperature, you can be sure Olberbite will be hard at work to somehow square the blame on Bush and Cheney-and most of the far left will support his moronic claims.After all, anything that goes wrong in this world is the president's fault, right?

Cee- I had the same argument with Bushkill a few months back. He felt that Bush implied there was a connection and therefore was guilty of conning the population into the war.
Don't get conned!

Years ago when the american public was overwhelming in favor of ousting Saddam, they should have known the facts! Pick up a newspaper, listen to lame AM radio news, watch network news more than once a week. Then make your EDUCATED decision. Or better yet... if you are a politician- read the Senate Report of Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq before you vote the country into war!

the # 4 storu on Meltdown tonight:

Mickey Mouse and OJ Simpson to discuss why the war on terror is really just a hyped up, prpoganda story made up by the eeeeeevil Murdoch and Fox News. I think MM and OJ would be just as credible to gave their insight on terror news as any of KO's puppets, I mean "guests".

Rumsfeld: "We know there were WMDs in Iraq because we still have the receipts to prove it." NO, he didn't say that, but might as well have. He's in a few pics during those wheeling-dealin' days with saddam.

Whether or not Iraq had WMDs is a completely different issue from those who were responsible for the planes flying into the towers and the Pentagon on 9/11. Those guys were Saudis for the most part, not Iraqi.

Seeing how, time and time again, Bush choses party over country, family friends over qualified expert advice, is it really all that surprising that he would chose to vindicate his family's long-time friends in Saudi Arabia, including those kin to Bin Ladin, and instead launch an attack against a former allied bully?

Such courage, such convictions, true leadership and the Country's best interests at hand! That is, Saudi Arabia's.

Anyone see something wrong with this?
Posted by: Richard at July 11, 2007 12:33 PM

On so many levels..

It is funny to have an anchorman (who has bedded a 30-something "FAN") reporting on a guy who went to an escort service. But maybe because Olbermann slept with a fan and didn't "pay" for it, in his world that's OK. Believe me, if he weds his own "20-something" he'll be "paying" for it.

Cecelia, if that was SLOB, which I seriously doubt, he would have my sympathy.

You may have missed someone who posts as Doc, Chicken Blogger amd some I can't remember now posted a fake SLOB announcement of losing an infant to SIDS then went on post pseudo religious treacly condolences.

I don't know how old this fool is but his mental and emotional age is stuck in the first grade boy's bathroom.

Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at July 11, 2007 12:04 AM

Oh, my god, Grammie.... let's just hope that moron is safely behind bars somewhere and writing from a jail cell....

Yep, everyone knows Olberloon earned his anchor job by running "family values" ads as part of his campaign for the gig. He's probably no saint in the affairs of the heart [or some other organ of choice], but I've yet to find his name on a Madam's call list.... yet.

DeepT- Getting all his facts and information from Michael Moore movies. What a sheltered freak!

"Loofah!!!!"

Sorry unsigned,

Haven't seen Moore's films in a few years, so your assertion remains baseless and unfounded.

Assuming you know how to read beyond a third-grad level, here's something that might interest you [also not from a MM film]:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,866942,00.html

Oops! :p

So what is it then......Polls show a majority of people think Iraq had something to do with 9/11 (shows the public is WRONG and stuuupid) AND polls show a majority of people want immediate troop withdrawl from the Iraq theater (Bush is not listening to the wise and learned public he serves)?

This is why we are under the best of all possible systems.....a representative democracy.....A REPUBLIC......crass/pure democracy is a dangerous thing especially with a public that is not well informed or principled. I don't want to be ruled by a mob that includes many of the self-proclaimed Mensa members who post on this site.....like Keith Olbermann.

The same people demanding a pullout will run and hide when the result of the pullout cause more american deaths!

If you want to think SICKO is a raging success at 11 million when F911 did 10 times that, go right ahead.....Moores stunt on CNN is only designed to goose his box office, I could give a crap about how many theaters its in, fact remains it dropped its second week from its first, not a good sign for anyone to add it

Please, Moore is who he is, hes all about his $$$$$ line also as much as he professes to fight for the little man. This silly stunt will have no effect at all on its box office and Sicko will hit dvd by September where it will probably rent well, and I will rent it as well

But come on dont debate me about how many theaters its in, it dropped off

not well informed or principled. I don't want to be ruled by a mob that includes many of the self-proclaimed Mensa members who post on this site.....like Keith Olbermann.

Posted by: cee at July 11, 2007 1:04 PM

Boy howdy... For the most recent example replay the video of Rachael and Keith smilingly averring that the only folks against nationalized health care are fat cat corporate CEOs and that there's NO other side to the issue but theirs...

"So what is it then......Polls show a majority of people think Iraq had something to do with 9/11 (shows the public is WRONG and stuuupid) AND polls show a majority of people want immediate troop withdrawl from the Iraq theater (Bush is not listening to the wise and learned public he serves)?"

What polls are these?
I haven't seen a recent poll from a qualified source suggesting that Americans, even Texans, have made that connection between Iraq and 9/11.

This is why we are under the best of all possible systems.....a representative democracy.....A REPUBLIC......crass/pure democracy is a dangerous thing especially with a public that is not well informed or principled. I don't want to be ruled by a mob that includes many of the self-proclaimed Mensa members who post on this site.....like Keith Olbermann.

Instead, allow a mob of obviously non-Mensa wanks to run roughshod over the Geneva Conventions, The Bill or Rights, etc? News outlets like Fox News thrive on keeping their publics misinformed, easier to sell the advertisements that way.

btw, I think you misspelled 'autocracy.'

DAN,

I know that you cannot be that stupid, son. To compare the earnings a film that has been out for well over three years to one that has been out for three weeks reeks of ignorance, child.

Sicko is ALREADY the eighth highest grossing documentary of all time. Try not being stupid, okay?

as a non-name poster- I am embarrassed by the 1:21 post. If i was to correct another poster's spelling i would never use the word 'publics' incorrectly. Or even use a lame word like 'publics' You are an embarrassment.

The more successful the documentary is- the more true it must be! Popularity equates to truth!

Therefore OReilley must be 3 times more accurate than KeithO.

What polls are these?
I haven't seen a recent poll from a qualified source suggesting that Americans, even Texans, have made that connection between Iraq and 9/11.

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 1:21 PM

There were polls that showed FOX News viewers holding exactly these opinions two or three times the rates in the general populaton back in 2004. The general rates of such misled belief have been falling ever since.

Today cee champions our Republic, but never seems to give a shit about the checks and balances, and the separation of powers devised to protect it from usurpation and tyranny. What he seems to think of as a republic is in actuality a system of corporatist fuedalism. Neocons honestly believe ( as cee's post above illustrates) in the "noble lie" of governance, by which a special "natural aristocracy" leads "the mob" aound by the nose using religion; conspicuous consumption and oportunistic generosity by fabulously wealthy elites; and the fabrication of omminous foreign enemies as their twitch.

Oh one more thing: Neocons like cee always think that they are of course part of this natural aristocracy; so you never, ever see one risking his life or essential luxury for the false, deadly causes they promulgate for "the mob's" participation.

Dear 1:39, oh enlightened one,

Heh... funny, although sad if you're serious.

From my days studying social sciences: Multiple mediums can have multiple publics --yep, with an 's'.

Perhaps the phrase "separate but not equal" makes more sense to you.

Either way, your own ignorance is showing. Please feel free to reply after you're done watching Sesame Street.

benson,
you say the majority of Americans is stupid and that's why they believed in this connection?
It may be true, but you don't answer the question whos to blame for this falsity. Someone must have sparked that thought.
The article I linked to is from September 2003, the first time Bush actually said that there is no connection between 9/11 and Iraq. All those quotes are from the time before he 'made it clear' that there's no connection.

?,
is the BBC a blue blog?

cee,
could it be that Bush speculated (correctly) that most people are as dumb as benson said and wouldn't be 'thoughtful readers'? Did it not fit his agenda?

Jeb Bush,
your guess is wrong. Can you tell me what part in that article is wrong?

I still think you guys are either really dumb or real cynics.

Got a link all enlightened ignorant one? Can't seem to find your made up word as the correct way to designate a populace.

Imagine that SLOB- Overreaching again!
It was a general poll that had the american public linking
Saddam to 911. Not just Fox Viewers. But that fits your FoxNews is bad agenda so spew it!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/stories/data082303.htm

Truth- show the link of Bush linking 911 and Saddam!
You can't... but your agenda think you can.

Try googling the items together! You CAN NOT find a statement. Did Bush purge the Internet of all his quotes that ties the two together. Your truth has no merit!

And don't bring back the Al Qeada in Iraq as proof- because it just shows your lack of reading skills

I hear crickets!

Thinks to think about.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/07/20070710-3.html

Its all ancient history, really. Nothing new to report on.That is, until republicans try to fabricate a new history. Then people must stand up and say, "Hey, I lived through this, and this is NOT how it happened."

Posted by: The Truth at July 11, 2007 2:02 PM

Exactly. "Oceana is at war with Eastasia. We have always been at war with Eastasia."

or:

He's got WMD and we are all about to die; no? well he tortures and gasses people; well, not any more - but we never anticipated that Iraq would crumble into chaos when we systematically dismantled its physical and civic infrastructures so we need to build a shining new democracy in the Middle East; training soldiers and police is hard, hard work, and you can never predict when it might actualy be accomplished; ...

...and the white house is saying they've they've just started the whole process of taming and rebuilding Iraq, and the American people need to at least give them a little time.

Cultural memory is a strange thing, particularly when its being manipulated by a conspiracy of huge international corporations that make huge windfalls across all of their profit centers (of which our "news" media are componential) when our country is engaged in major foreign conflicts.

Imagine that SLOB- Overreaching again!
It was a general poll that had the american public linking
Saddam to 911. Not just Fox Viewers. But that fits your FoxNews is bad agenda so spew it!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/polls/vault/stories/data082303.htm

Posted by: benson at July 11, 2007 2:07 PM

I was wrong about the date (the link below reflects a 2003 study) but I was not reaching. No reaching required; you are all such low-hnging fruit.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/102.php?nid=&id=&pnt=102&lb=brusc

SLOB- You are the revisionists. "Bush lied us into war. Bush said there is a connection between 911 and Saddam". NOT TRUE!

The truth is- that the american public at the time (2002) understood that our country is not immune from an attack and overwhelmingly felt that Saddam had the motive and ability to hit us with a more devastating sucker-punch. Now that the war is unpopular you loons are looking for someone to blame. I know. Lets blame Bush for lying us into war! Fact is- there were no lies... just the public was uniformed and ignorant. And the new propoganda is "If I knew then what I know now..." Spare me your indignation!

BLINDRAT YOU IGNORANT BLIND FOOL-

Movie cost 9 million to make
Prob conservatively 9 million to market

18 mill

box office- 11 mill

The man is trying to goose the box office, you are an idiot if you think the numbers i listed above mean the film is a success, i could give a crap about the 8th this or that of all time.......

Again, it will turn a profit when it hits dvd
If you want to believe his staged fight on CNN was not an attempt to goose his box office, then you live up to your name of being a blind rat

Additionally-
I missed something SLOB. Where in your link does it show 2
to 3 times more likely?

Here is a quote from SLOB's impartial 2003 poll...
You may notice something biased and outright wrong within it...and how does this merit legit discussion in this light

An in-depth analysis of a series of polls conducted June through September found 48% incorrectly believed that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found, 22% that weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq, and 25% that world public opinion favored the US going to war with Iraq. Overall 60% had at least one of these three misperceptions.

"48% incorrectly believed that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found"- Incorrectly? Can you say Zarquawi?

What kind of shit is this?

Dan- its the top grossing "pseudo-documentary-about the sad state of health care in america"

Dear 2:04,

So you were serious?! OK...

I realize not everyone has studied social science, although you might want to consider using better judgment before slamming someone over language usage like this in the future.

OK, try this link, which includes a long list of books using "publics" to address social science concepts: http://tinyurl.com/2x37b3

To your credit, Goggle attempted the following correction on my search: "Did you mean: public's use in social science."

btw, my use of "Separate but equal" was as much a sincere illustration as it was a joke. :)

Lets blame Bush for lying us into war! Fact is- there were no lies... just the public was uniformed and ignorant. And the new propoganda is "If I knew then what I know now..." Spare me your indignation!

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 2:37 PM

and:

"48% incorrectly believed that evidence of links between Iraq and al Qaeda have been found"- Incorrectly? Can you say Zarquawi?

What kind of shit is this?

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 2:44 PM

Oh yeah, Zarqawi...that guy who in 2003 was the administration's "proof" of an Iraq/9-11 connection because has apparently in the northern semi-autonomous Kurdish region of Iraq getting his leg amputated; only later appearing as the two-legged asshole who cut off Daniel Pearl's head on that chilling video; and then he was an overwieght doofus posing for camera's who couldn't even operate his own assault rifle; and the he was that two-legged corpse that was paraded around the world's media as testimony of Bush's wisdom and potency.

But even assuming that this particular intellignece nararitive has any validity, and the terrorists have devised some way to regeneratge severed limbs; the mere presence of Zarqawi within the boundaries of AlQeada's sworn enemies does not automatically mean anything at all.

After all, Mohammed Atta was in the US just prior to 9/11; I submit by your own logic that there must be a US government connection to the 9/11 attacks.

GOP Senators Call for Iraq Change Now
By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer
23 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Several Republican senators on Wednesday told President Bush's top national security aide privately Wednesday that they did not want Bush to wait until September to change course in Iraq.

I can just imagine PhalluCee and Planet Squawkins (the last two Bush 'supporters' on earth) riding in a limo with Bush and Cheney, driving off into the sunset.

The awkward silence would be palpable.

...and "no lies"? What about Rummy's succinct accessment of late March, 2003:

"We know where they (i.e WMD) are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat."

..and the weather-balloon trucks?

...and the Iran/Iraq-war era caches of decayed gas-shells that Bush claimed to be Saddam's WMD in a speech in Poland?

Liars they have been and liars they remain.

...and Cox and Dollar; how's that notification to the authorities going in regard to the poster making cryptic comments regarding deaths in my family?

Still looking for you liars and freaks who insist Bush lied about the Saddam and 911 link. Its been 3 hours! As usual, you change the subject and produce proof of something else. Imagine that? (note sarcasm).

This WMD argument you want to battle is a whole different nut, but as usual you are off topic. Concentrate people.... the issue is at hand!

Additionally-
I missed something SLOB. Where in your link does it show 2
to 3 times more likely?

Posted by: benson at July 11, 2007 2:41 PM

you're right - the discrepancy with NPR/PBS new consumers was closer to four times.

WMDs? Are we talking about the ones that the 2002 prewar intelligence of the CIA, England, France, Australia, Italy, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt reaffirmed were there? Even your favorite prewar messiah Joe Wilson said there were weapons - just not nukes! Easy freaks... hindsite is 20/20, but you guys all live in the past anyways.

Not what youy said SLOB.
You said "general population".
Not PBS/NPR
Another distortion?
YUPPER!

WMDs? Are we talking about the ones that the 2002 prewar intelligence of the CIA, England, France, Australia, Italy, Turkey, Israel, and Egypt reaffirmed were there? Even your favorite prewar messiah Joe Wilson said there were weapons - just not nukes! Easy freaks... hindsite is 20/20, but you guys all live in the past anyways.

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 3:35 PM

Complete circuiotous bullshit. These countries were fed this bullshit through Challabi, "Curveball", probably our own executive branch....the German government's reports in this regard were littered with warnings regarding the credibility of their sources; the British claim they heard it all from us.

It all is demonstrably parallel to the way Cheney woud leak this same crap to Miller, and then cite her articles detailing his lies as proof of their veracity.

What do David Kay, Scott Ritter, and the other actual weapons inspectors have to say about this?

Cox and Dollar,

If you have any honor at all you will at least identify to readers here which posts today were posted by the same low-life who posts under my moniker and ridicules my family's ongoing misfortunes.

"Anyone speaking rationally that disagreed with ANYTHING this administration did in the name of fighting terror was immediately branded as anti-American."

Translation: Any response that the administration (or any of its supporters makes to our criticism of it's policies will immediately be interpreted as slapping an "anti-American" label on us. Our dissent must be the final word and you must agree with it, otherwise we will loudly and publicly brand your disagreement with our criticism as an attenpt to "silence" us, "supress dissent" or (my favorite) "take away our civil liberties"

Yes Mr. "Truth" this little gambit is pretty easy to see through, so spare us your faux dramatic swooning over this trumped up bullshit.

This would also apply to Schatz, if he is overseeing this sandbox:

Cox and Dollar,

If you have any honor at all you will at least identify to readers here which posts today were posted by the same low-life who posts under my moniker and ridicules my family's ongoing misfortunes.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 11, 2007 3:59 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-geiger/republicans-kill-webbs-t_b_55779.html

Support the Troops! Support the Troops!!

The Republicans flibuster Senator Webb's bill to place some limits on the sacrifice demanded of our National Guard soldiers -- and the insipid Democrats let them win real fast!

I know Webb has a son over there, but how many of these other clucking opportunists have anything but money and power on the table?

The American people - whether sensible and empathetic progressives or brainless right-wing mindslaves - need to take their government back from this corporate combine.

This would also apply to Schatz, if he is overseeing this sandbox:

Cox and Dollar,

If you have any honor at all you will at least identify to readers here which posts today were posted by the same low-life who posts under my moniker and ridicules my family's ongoing misfortunes.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 11, 2007 3:59 PM

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 11, 2007 4:05 PM

Schatz, if you're minding the store alone and are unsure and fearful of how much latitude you have in regarding providing clarificaton in such regards, your boss Dollar has in the past "outed" this same sniper, or one just like him for precisely the same behavior. I, for one, would like to know if the anonymous idiots ythat I am arguing with in good faith on one hand are the same ones that assume my identity in order to launch impotent threats and scurrilous jokes at my expense.

Is anyone there?

Hello?

"I can just imagine PhalluCee and Planet Squawkins (the last two Bush 'supporters' on earth) riding in a limo with Bush and Cheney, driving off into the sunset."

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Well, at least I am no longer alone on an island with Bush Co....Grammie would be good company especially if she has some of those nice, dry maritinis.

Ban the Loin imposter.

Well, at least I am no longer alone on an island with Bush Co....Grammie would be good company especially if she has some of those nice, dry maritinis.

Ban the Loin imposter.

Posted by: cee at July 11, 2007 5:18 PM

She also calmed to be "hot" at the premature end of our last discussion, but she disapeared before she could elaborate on the details that I requested, or respond to my last devastating points.

see, I think Mr. Cox's point in the story is that KO is so ugly and so pathetic, that even a lay up such as porn star Mary Crey will turn this loser down any day of the week.

But of course, most of the far left Bush haters are too stupid to read between the lines.

I think Cox might be carving Bush's visage at Mt. Rushmore. No one else seems at all interested in doing it.

Last night on O'Reilly Laura Ingraham actually said the Iraq war was justified even though we didn't find the WMD's that 'we wanted to find.'

We WANTED to find WMD's?

Is wishing your enemies had weapons they didn't the lucid 20/20 hindsight the Right Wingers like to talk about these days?

Let's hope the GOP focuses their forward gaze with more clarity and honesty than their twisted backward looking gaze.

Oh yeah, I forgot, they're against gaze all together.

>I think Mr. Cox's point in the story is that KO is so ugly and so pathetic...

Hey Dan, have you ever seen a picture of Cox and the glass house he lives in?

to the dumbest shit in Olbermann Watch!

Thank you, Bob!

Posted by:below average mexican patty at July 11, 2007 5:21 PM

mexican patty, you have that award safe in hand at all times (along with something else) as proven by your last post. Good thing you have two hands!

Why are you guys beating each other up over whether Right Wing Wackos ever tried to tie the war in Iraq with 9-11?

Why, when it's right in the Countdown Recap on this page:

>The President stated he never wanted to be a war President, yet he "started one in Iraq." Hey Fat Ass, remember 9/11?

Thanks E-Shitz for carrying the water when RW water carriers are getting oh-so hard to find.

Whatever you're getting paid, it's not enough, but then again, prostitution does have it's benefits...at least you get screwed every night.

Democrat progress update: Gonzales witch hunt- Now where!
Libby "cover-up" witch hunt- now where!
Democrats, hard at going now where!

Thanks for the link, Mr. Patriot. I don't know if I have ever seen a picture of Cox, but I loathe "Cavuto" and imagine Cox doesn't often make appearances with reputable hosts on reputable networks. It is amazing that the Coxers would make fun of anyone else's appearance. Cox looks like what I imagine He of Many Names looks, although Cox is probably considerably taller and thinner, less greasy and not covered with a cape and a hood. All very frightening. Same beady eyes and high forehead, however.

By the way, Ye of Many Names, both of my dim-witted, cowardly senators hate the troops just like you do, voting against the bill authored by Senator Webb (a veteran, who has a son who actually served in Iraq.

Democrat progress update: Gonzales witch hunt- Now where!
Libby "cover-up" witch hunt- now where!
Democrats, hard at going now where!

Posted by: royalking at July 11, 2007 7:21 PM

Now Where?

WTF?

Hello?

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 11, 2007 4:34 PM

I agree with you completely, Sir Loin. That sort of behavior certainly deserves outing.

I hope it really you I'm talking to here..

Just to be sure....what is the term you always use for Dick Cheney.

Hint-- Pro-business _____ ??? fill in the blank???

Now Where?

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Actually, He of Many Names is making progress. Last year, he would have written "Know Were!" The attendants at the institute discovered that Mountain Dew and Ding Dongs, along with reruns of "Green Acres" stimulate his brain activity. His mentor is Arnold Ziffel.

You know; the chickenshit motherfuckers that run this site are honorless dribbles of whiskey-shit.

A while back Dollar slightly impressed me when he coughed up some of the posting history of the gutless wad of trash who posted as me, pretending to you all that a family-member (who remains very badly injured) had died. The same cocksucker - or one just as vile - pulled the same shit this morning, but I see no forthcoming information of this sort in this case, despite my repeated demands.

For all I know it was Cox, Dollar, or Schatz doing it this time and last time around. At least that's what I will presume. The day when any right-winger assumes any degree of responsibility intrinsic to his or her respective position is the day when I will first trust any right-winger.

Well gee, since you asked so nicely, I'll just rush right over and get that info for you.

Not.

Hint-- Pro-business _____ ??? fill in the blank???

Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:29 PM

This is a trick question; I almost alway call him a "corporatist cocksucker" or "corporatist pirate".

Fuck you, Dollar, you brainless twat.

>I think Mr. Cox's point in the story is that KO is so ugly and so pathetic...

Hey Dan, have you ever seen a picture of Cox and the glass house he lives in?

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 6:42 PM

Yeah, I've made the point before that this dopey-looking fucker has a great deal of nerve to poke fun at the appearance of others.

This is a trick question; I almost alway call him a "corporatist cocksucker" or "corporatist pirate".

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 11, 2007 8:18 PM

Well, Pro-business Whore was the one I was thinking of, but yeah, you're really you... :D

I made that typo because "I was doing 4 things at once and I really shouldn't be on here right now." Sound familiar "mike?" LOL!

You Keith Olbermann fans sure are a mean and rude bunch.

Yea Jeff, it's sounds very familiar, and it was true....but I didn't say that because of a typo....And that makes you a liar once AGAIN.

Sir Loin of Beef, I have no idea what your family misfortunes are but whatever they may be, I hope they are rectified in a positive way. I do not have any authority to regulate comments here. The general policy on Olbywatch is not to regulate comments but that is generally left up to Mr. Cox

Indeed, KO fans have no reason to be outraged and oh-so insensitive to others' feelings. Guess they should subscribe to the noble causes of Newt Gingrich, Pat Robertson, Scaife and Murdoch.

I actually like Newt, and I read the Wall Street Journal, at least I did until Murdoch bought it.

You do realize there's a significant different between conservatism and fascism, don't you? I pray you do.

In spite of the whining from Olbyloons [although I suspect a slim fraction of it may actually be warranted], true conservatives are being duped by the modern brown shirts of our era. That bugs me, a great deal.

That last unsigned was me.
Sorry.

Yea Jeff, it's sounds very familiar, and it was true....but I didn't say that because of a typo....And that makes you a liar once AGAIN.

Posted by: Mike at July 11, 2007 10:59 PM
What makes it true? Beacause you said it was? I get it. Whack job/split personality/ olbyloon logic.

I made that typo because "I was doing 4 things at once and I really shouldn't be on here right now." Sound familiar "mike?" LOL!

Posted by: royalking at July 11, 2007 9:40 PM

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As incapable of admitting an error as the President. Of course, one has to be an adult to recognize his or her errors. A bit of courage is also required, I suppose, but only a bit.

Of course, an adult also forgives errors of others. And, Ye of Many Names, while I can't speak for Mike and all of those you routinely slander, whose sound ideas you routinely belittle, please know that I personally forgave your error even before you made it.

How're the ratings for Fox's 1/2 Hour News Hour?

I think it's funny, although have to admit a little difficulty parsing out the promos for the fake news vs. actual news on that channel.

realist,

You are a liar. 90% of the troops in Iraq did not think that they were there in 'retaliation for Saddam's role in 911'.

What is true is that an increasing number of dingbats, perhaps getting close to 90% one of these days, think that Bush was "behind 911".

Bush, as "the decider" and face of this administration, and the policies set for him by his VP, cabinet and aides, has been beyond implication for some time now.

Is he or is he not "the decider?"
Is he or is he not responsible for anything done in his chain of command?

Or did he just spin off another hollow set of words for others to defend? Must get lonely in the WH cloakroom.

I really don't care if it's Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon or Kennedy. A president must be accountable for something more than stuttering out bumper-sticker slogans.

[How're] the ratings for Fox's 1/2 Hour News Hour?

I think it's funny, although have to admit a little difficulty parsing out the promos for the fake news vs. actual news on that channel.

Posted by: Dorf Truit at July 12, 2007 1:21 AM

According to the olbyloons, when talking about Olbermahn's ratings, rating don't matter! Content and message matter. Now, all of the sudden, ratings matter? Olbyloon hypocrisy? You betcha!

RK...

*heh* I got the vibe from the olbyloons that they were subscribing to a relative market growth argument vs. actual.

*shrug* ... just my take on it.

Any hint on the 1/2 Hour News Hour, my original request?

I watched a few minutes of 1/2 Hour News Hour a couple of times. About 1 in 5 jokes worked. It wasn't worth the time to wait for the 1 in 5 but I would give the same stats to the old Sat. Night Live news jokes. I doubt if the time of the show is in a coveted spot. Given a choice between watching back to back 1/2 hour News Hour or an episode of "Lock-Up" that has been repeated for the 20th time, I'll take the 1/5 jokes.

Bush has been clear that he never claimed Iraq was involved in 9/11 specifically....
Posted by: cee at July 11, 2007 12:25 PM

I guess the deplorable Cee is going to hide behind the word "specifically", but to say that Bush was clear that Iraq wasn't involved makes you want to choke !

Posted by: the realist at July 12, 2007 12:39 AM

Actually, realist, I believe cee was actually telling the truth here: Bush actually "has been clear that he never claimed Iraq was involved in 9/11 ", but cee failed to mention that Bush was lying when he issued this characterization of his previous statements.

If Speaker Pelosi doesn't start with impeachment by July 23, Cindy Sheehan is going after her seat. The clock is ticking.

If Speaker Pelosi doesn't start with impeachment by July 23, Cindy Sheehan is going after her seat. The clock is ticking.

Posted by: Sharon at July 12, 2007 11:59 AM

...and I've written Pelosi telling her that I intend to finacially support Ms Sheehan's campaign in such an event.

...and I've written Pelosi telling her that I intend to finacially support Ms Sheehan's campaign in such an event.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 12, 2007 12:43 PM

This, coming from someone that thinks we should get rid of our miltary.......

But, Sir Loin likes our troops, unlike someone who won't be named, as is frequently his condition.

Do you like Sheehan's support of Chavez who shuts down free speech?

"This is the first time I've posted today. That funeral stuff was not me.

I am , however, going to insist that Johnny Dollar and Robert Cox report the poster, who has made disturbing, cryptic posts of this sort in my regard in the past, to homeland security.

I am serious,. There are clear responsiblilities on the part of website managers to provide such information to law enforcement.
Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 11, 2007 9:22 AM "

SLOB, the first time this happened with you as the target I called for the poster to be identified as to other names because I had no doubt that he would be the type to do that and that he be permanently banned. JohnDoll gave his various aliases. Besides Chicken Blogger he has used Doc, Whoa and some others I don't recall. He said only R Cox could ban someone. I still think that is called for in this case.

The same thing happened to me earlier this year when one or more Chicken Bloggers announced that I had died and went on several days embellishing it to I died from open heart surgery that was probably a heart transplant and all the predictable nasty follow ups.

I don't understand the mentality that drives such sick activities.

Grammie

SLOB, having reread everything in our long series of long posts on this I don't think there is any way for us to get anywhere on what has grown into a debate on so many multiple levels as this one has.

I think we come at any problem from such different directions that we wind up either colliding and veering off again or crossing each other and eventually starting out again at square one.

At the very core of this discussion has been what do we need to fear and fight against the most. At least that is how I see it. You seem to fear GWB, or his successor or successors, will use the Islamofscist threat to usurp The Constitution. I fear the external threat more and believe our historical record of the waxing and waning of governmental powers will right themselves once the threat is past.

At the same time you seem to favor government control of what is now more a private sector function such as health care while I favor pulling government out of it as much as possible. Based on what you said in another post you seem to think that not only should Government exercise maximum power in the area of gun control and a so called 'fairness doctrine' but that 'credible polls' back you up.

I don't agree with you about polls and what they prove one way or the other because polls can and are too easily manipulated and mean nothing in the long run. What counts are the results of the vote that can be sustained. We seem to see saw back and forth on many issues and that proves to me that our system works.

We seem to have an essential difference about the primary function of government and whose power The Constitution, especially The Bill of Rights, limits. This battle has been going on from day one and hopefully it will go on forever. Therein lies our survival as the great nation we are.

Grammie

At the very core of this discussion has been what do we need to fear and fight against the most. At least that is how I see it. You seem to fear GWB, or his successor or successors, will use the Islamofscist threat to usurp The Constitution. I fear the external threat more and believe our historical record of the waxing and waning of governmental powers will right themselves once the threat is past

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at July 12, 2007 3:32 PM

Janet,

When former French PM Chiraq gave a speech implying that part of Europe's role in the new century would be to keep western power in check, I knew he was voicing a mindset that went way beyond any need to rectify the past sins of colonialism.

SLOB, having reread everything in our long series of long posts on this I don't think there is any way for us to get anywhere on what has grown into a debate on so many multiple levels as this one has.

I think we come at any problem from such different directions that we wind up either colliding and veering off again or crossing each other and eventually starting out again at square one.

At the very core of this discussion has been what do we need to fear and fight against the most. At least that is how I see it. You seem to fear GWB, or his successor or successors, will use the Islamofscist threat to usurp The Constitution. I fear the external threat more and believe our historical record of the waxing and waning of governmental powers will right themselves once the threat is past.

At the same time you seem to favor government control of what is now more a private sector function such as health care while I favor pulling government out of it as much as possible. Based on what you said in another post you seem to think that not only should Government exercise maximum power in the area of gun control and a so called 'fairness doctrine' but that 'credible polls' back you up.

I don't agree with you about polls and what they prove one way or the other because polls can and are too easily manipulated and mean nothing in the long run. What counts are the results of the vote that can be sustained. We seem to see saw back and forth on many issues and that proves to me that our system works.

We seem to have an essential difference about the primary function of government and whose power The Constitution, especially The Bill of Rights, limits. This battle has been going on from day one and hopefully it will go on forever. Therein lies our survival as the great nation we are.

Grammie

Janet, I have read your posts alluding to a historical "waxing and waning" of presidential powers several times now. While I don't necessarily disagree with your theory, there seems to be one aspect of such a recurring 'natural' cycle you seem to discount .... Once the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of excessive power, as I believe it already has done, the only way to reverse the swing is by resistance of the populace. In other words, if we stand by meekly while government takes away rights and assumes power it was never intended to have, the historical cycle you express so much faith in will, in fact, cease to occur.

Since the subject of health care is now a national topic again because of 'Sicko'. and has been touched on a few times in this blog, I'm going to throw in my two cents worth:

I am a businessman myself. I deal exclusively in luxury items that are non - essentials. The relationship I have between myself and my customers is almost always positive and non adversarial. It is a classic "win, win" situation. This is how capatilism is supposed to work, and that is now it usually works....and it works well - for ALMOST everything!

Privately administered, funded, and unregulated healthcare simply does NOT work, and can never work. It's just as simple as that. As long as an essential service provider can only thrive by denying their services to the very ones who need it the most, the service itself will always be doomed to failure. This is the nature of our current Health Care system. It simply DOESN'T work!

In our current system, far too many resources are devoted to the gatekeeping and denial aspect of the business, which leaves far fewer resources left in the actual administering of the service itself. It is a matter of simple efficiency, as well as a matter of basic humanity....And yes, the only way this travesty can ever be really retified is for the governmant to get involved. Believe it!

So here I stand, the classic capitalistic busnessman who abhores socialism in almost every form except for two: ....Public education and Health Care.

There is simply no other way, and our country will never be a truly civilized nation until this issue is resolved, and it WILL be resolved....SOMEDAY!

Your points are well-taken, Mike. Every day, we cut more-and-more people off from any form of effective health care. Ever since we founded our company, we have provided no cost health insurance to our employees. In other words, we pay 100% of the premium to a private insurer, and the employee pays only for dependents. Each year at renewal time, we are concerned we won't be able to continue. This year, we renewed at ONLY a 12% premium increase, and we felt we were lucky. And, at each renewal, coverage is less comprehensive.

Rove was something of a master in diverting attention from the health care crises by having his puppet "talk" about malpractice driving up health care costs. And, we made some great show of tort reform. Unless, I am missing something, the results are not impressive. It was, of course, a pure ruse, and now most people seem to realize that.

So, health care is once again a hot button issue, and I just don't think we are going to be able to put off the inevitable. We are going to have a system of national health care, in some form, during our life-times. There is simply no other route available. The only question will be how to structure the program.

Because I travel a great deal for business (and, thank goodness, you didn't mention air travel, or He of Many Names would have "bunked" us as one and the same, since so few people travel for business or pleasure, at least in his tiny, sordid mind), I have had to avail myself of medical attention in several countries. I finally opted into the German system by paying a modest premium, and I think the care and the pricing are excellent. If I ever have to have elective or non-emergency surgery, I suspect I will have it done in Germany. The system can and does work. Perhaps, it is not perfect, but we can pay through the nose in the US and still get shoddy care, at times.

My point is: we ought to be overcoming this hysterical conceptual objection and be well on our way to tailoring a system that works in the US. It won't be a cookie-cutter of the German, French, British or Canadian system. It doesn't need to be. Some public-private partnership may well be just the ticket.

A poor public school system (and I think our system is much better that the blowers and bleaters would ever acknowledge), and a poor system for delivery of health services can and will damage each of us and our nation far, far more than some terrorist boogeyman.

Thank you for raising such an important issue.

In other words, if we stand by meekly while government "takes away rights" and assumes power it was never intended to have, the historical cycle you express so much faith in will, in fact, cease to occur.

Posted by: Mike at July 12, 2007 5:14 PM

Can you name ONE right YOU have lost in the last 6 yrs? Just ONE?

....And yes, the only way this travesty can ever be really retified is for the governmant to get involved. Believe it!

Posted by: "mike" at July 12, 2007 5:51 PM

Next time you get sick, head on over to Cooba or right on up to Canada then get back to us and tell us how it went, if you're still alive....

Olbyloon Ed 101d
Subject: Sicko BS
Student: clunker/"mike"

As I have discussed here, the media and some Lefty front groups wish to create the impression that nurses in general share Michael Moore’s view of American health care. Not only does this misrepresent the position of most American nurses, it conflicts with the views of many who actually work in the socialized systems that SiCKO praises.

Helen Evans, director of Nurses for Reform, is much more representative of nurses in general. Moreover, she has spent more than twenty years providing patient care in Great Britain’s National Health Service. Thus, she knows what she’s talking about when she writes, in the Chicago Tribune:

For free hospital care, Britons pay an awfully high price. Just ask the nearly 1 million British patients on waiting lists for treatment. Or the 200,000 Britons currently waiting merely to get on NHS waiting lists. Mr. Moore must have missed those folks.

Evans goes on to point out that such patients aren’t all that Moore has studiously overlooked:

When it comes to keeping patients healthy, NHS hospitals are notoriously unfit. After admittance to state hospitals, more than 10 percent of patients contract infections and illnesses that they did not have prior to arrival. And according to the Malnutrition Advisory Group, up to 60 percent of NHS patients are undernourished during inpatient stays.

How do patients deal with this? Those who can afford it go to the private health care market:

Today, more than 6.5 million people have private medical insurance, 6 million have cash plans, 8 million pay out-of-pocket for a range of complimentary therapies, and 250,000 self-fund each year for private surgery. Millions more opt for private dentistry, ophthalmics and long-term care.

So, while Michael Moore, the media, and various Lefty front groups attempt to trick the American public into accepting socialized medicine, the nurses and the patients of the NHS say such systems stink.

Posted by: royalking at July 12, 2007 7:13 PM
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The king of the anecdote blows, again. Not a shredd of empirical evidence, but he overheard a woman at the Piggly Wiggly whose brother-in-law works with a man whose neighbor's cousin's neighbor lives on the Canadian side of Niagra Falls and who needed a boil lanced on his butt. And, since his wife left him to live with a Mountie in the Maritimes, he had to go the doctor (apparently a place on his butt he couldn't reach), and the doctor in Canada was unable to schedule an appointment until the next afternoon, so he crossed into the American side, went to doctor, only had to wait for 2 1/2 hours but got his boil lanced the same day for only US $975.00. TO be sure, he developed a secondary post-operative infection, but he was able to procure an antibiotic from an on-line US drug company for only 60 times what he would have paid in the US.

You're absolutely right, Ye of Many Names. The Canadians have mere witch doctors, and the US health care system is infallible. How stupid of me to question it. And, I am so glad you were at Piggly Wiggly to eavesdrop on the conversation between Wanda June Dobbs and the checker and then shared it with us.

Jeff has just posted another socialized medicine scare piece. Yes, we've been bombarded with this same kind of negative propaganda since 1992 by among others, .... the MAINSTREAM MEDIA!

The fact is that very seldom do we ever hear the positive side of the story, and yes, there definitely IS a positive side. The American corporate owned mainstream media would just as soon keep it that way.

By the way, I have three close relatives who work in healthcare (an MRI technician, a nurse, and a CT catscan technician), and they all tell me the system is irrepairably broken.

Keep on spreading those socialized medicine scare stories Jeff....The insurance and pharmaceudical lobbies will just love you for it.

Actually, if I ever need major surgury, I'm thinking about flying to India to get it done....you know, the good old free market at work!

By the way, I have three close relatives who work in healthcare (an MRI technician, a nurse, and a CT catscan technician), and they all tell me the system is irrepairably broken.

Keep on spreading those socialized medicine scare stories Jeff....The insurance and pharmaceudical lobbies will just love you for it.

Posted by: Mike at July 12, 2007 7:36 PM

I happen to know a few people in health care myself... and there are just as many of them who think that nationalized health care would do more harm than good.

I never hear hyperbole like "irreparably broken".

Just who is throwing around scare stories here...

I'm thinking about flying to India ....

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You are evil, Mike, setting up He of Many Names for a racial slur like that. Goodness, he might even be able to slander Hindus in the process.

Maybe we'll get lucky and he'll be riding the fences at his ranch on the edge of the magical forest conveniently located near Piggly Wiggly and Taco Bell. He can only digest one (1) post at a time, you know. And, his digestion is poor.

I happen to know a few people in health care myself...
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I can't add anything. Everyone I know is in aviation or ghost-writing.

You're absolutely right, Ye of Many Names. The Canadians have mere witch doctors, and the US health care system is infallible. How stupid of me to question it. And, I am so glad you were at Piggly Wiggly to eavesdrop on the conversation between Wanda June Dobbs and the checker and then shared it with us.

Posted by: Clucker at July 12, 2007 7:31 PM

There are some things to consider when you're comparing systems, feasibility as to our population as compared to Canada. Their system of not only rationing health care, but rationing health care professionals as well.

Another thing you might want to consider is do we really have a consumer or market driven system in this country in the first place.

I happen to know a few people in health care myself...
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I can't add anything. Everyone I know is in aviation or ghost-writing.

Posted by: Clucker at July 12, 2007 8:20 PM

Well, let's hope that THEY are not throwing up their hands and crying that the sky is falling....

Well, let's hope that THEY are not throwing up their hands and crying that the sky is falling....
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I'm not sure the aviation people much care about the sky falling since they are generally above the cloud ceiling. As for the ghost writers, the fiction writers are usually too laid back to care, but the non-fiction writers can be a bit high-strung.

I hope all is well with you tonight, Cecelia.

The mainstream media in the hands of evil pharmaceutical and insurance companies... etc....

I haven't seen Sicko, but I've watch Michael Moore on cable news and this stuff is right out of his mouth.

I want to see his movie, there's acase to be made fo nationalized health care--- it's arguable in other words...

But this putting the face of the devill on particular industries is one of the oldest propaganda techniques in the book.

If we can't make terrorists collectively into the Great Caliphate per AAP, can we at least do the same for the elements in the health care industry?

I hope all is well with you tonight, Cecelia.

Posted by: Clucker at July 12, 2007 8:33 PM

I am! Good to see you energized and out and about, Sir. :D

He sez he's the real Dollar, but he ain't foolin me. I have a feeling it might be Mike.

Posted by: Dumbshit BOVINEQUEEN at July 12, 2007 7:35 PM

If I was Johnny I would track yu down and slap the snot out of you for saying that, patsy!

jalopy, how come you didn't dive in and defend "mike" and give us an example of ONE freedom we have lost in the last 6 yrs? Can't come up with ONE? Too busy making childish posts? I think, both.

Jeff sez: "If I was Johnny I would track yu down and slap the snot out of you for saying that, patsy!"

But you ain't Johnny, now is you boy? Why yer just that Yosemite Sam wimp what totes a coupla six shooters around with him so's he can feel all snug & safe in this here dangerous world full of terrorists and shoplifters & stuff.

ONE freedom we have lost
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In a speech to Congress in January 1941, President Roosevelt listed four (4) essential freedoms:

The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way -- everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want -- which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants -- everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear -- which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor-- anywhere in the world.

Want to start there? How about just freedom from fear. Lord knows, Bush has preyed on fear.

Too esoteric? That means too intellectual, not enough raw meat.

What about pervasive wire-tapping? What about circumventing even the FISA Court and the denial of due process that entails? Lord, even Bush admitted that, at least implicity, when he reluctantly agreed to return warrant process to FISA.

What about habeas corpus weakening? I know in your simplistic, moronic way, you will argue that didn't happen. But, even military lawyers are concerned about this.

What about Bush's efforts to trump state law regarding medical decisions for family matters (a la Ms. Schiavo)? Even the packed Court couldn't stomach that.

What about one man - one vote? Trampled in Florida and Ohio, to be sure. Not by Bush personally, you say? Of course not. He is not one to work hard or get his hands dirty, is he?

My Stars, Ye of Many Names, the list is endless.

But not to worry. America will shake all of this off in time. You're just one of those people who beg to have his rights taken away. It seems to give you an odd sense of inclusion, I suppose.

When I walked through the Media Room going to my Study, I noticed that the cat had hurled a hairball on the rug. I cleaned the spot, but had trouble with a persistent residue. I thought of you, for some reason. I am sure everyone knows why.

Now Clucker, you gotta know that 11:25 post is WAAAAAY too complicated for Jeff to grasp?

jalopy, I hope you didn't spend too much time on that. You did a horrible job of trying to defend "mike." He claimed Bush is taking our rights away and you go back to 1941! Coming from someone who thinks Bush "stole" the election, I'm not surprised one bit. Keep spinning your olbyloon wheels!

P.S. "mike" there's nothing to "grasp" in broke down beat up jalopy's post. All spew, all the time.

Jeff 'spews' "all spew all the time" again:

Jeff, ya just gotta come up with a new line boy. That ones gittin awful long on the tooth...boy!

And by the way, Clucker wasn't 'defending' me, he was ridiculing YOU. Who would need 'defending' from YOU?.....one of your cows maybe?

Clucker, I done tole ya your post was WAAAAYY to complicated for that boy to grasp!

When I walked through the Media Room going to my Study, I noticed that the cat had hurled a hairball on the rug. I cleaned the spot, but had trouble with a persistent residue. I thought of you, for some reason. I am sure everyone knows why.

Posted by: Clucker at July 12, 2007 11:25 PM

Ahaa! It's ole Mrs. Philby! Well "mike" you should be happy, your favorite fraud is here. When does "rudy" get to come out and play, Philby? You gave yourself away with the "media room" spew. Did you have fun rubbing shoulders with the terrorists in the U.K.? Mrs. "been to Warsaw" but didn't know if they had a subway? How long before you change your name again, Mrs Philby? I mean "clucker"?

There goes Jeff again....claiming he knows who is posting under other names. Doesn't your own stupidity EVER embarrass you?

Now how can Clucker be Philby? You said Clucker was me.....remember.....Jeff....yo Jeff....you DID say I was Clucker, didn't you.....yo JEFF!

I gather that there must be only one person in America who flies on business trips or who has a Media Room in his house and I am that person. I'll have to tell my colleagues (all of whom fly frequently) and my neighbors (who bought their homes the same time as I did and, accordingly, also have Media Rooms, which we used to call Dens) that I am all of them and they are me.

I have to wonder if He of Many Names ever gets out of the institution. I think he might be imagining all those trips to Piggly Wiggly and Taco Bell, he must be hallucinating about riding the fences around his home in the majical forest.

Still, it was worth it to see the darkness shine from his little beady eyes when he thinks he has solved a mystery which is mysterious only to him.

Let me ask:

I am also Mike like you said earlier? Or am I just the people you mentioned in your 1300 Hrs post? Am I anybody wlse? Why do you hate our troops? When are you going to start ignoring me like you promised.

BTW: the residue from the hair ball is now gone, and the cat feels much better.

Who is Jeff?

Clucker, I thought you knew that RoyalKing is Jeff, which was one of the other names he used to post under.

I thought RoyalKing was The Factor.

Maybe we need to get Senor Dollares to clarify this.

"No, the Factor is carrying the water for the oil companies, global warming deniersand anything right wing. The Factor is on ignorant ideoloque."

Sounds like Jeff!

Philby, you're a fraud. You're not NEAR as smart as you think. I knew you were a regular olbyloon from previous, I just couldn't put my finger on it. Now, my finger is on you, Mrs. Philby/Rudy/cluncker.

Bush better hurry and catch Bin Laden. He's not looking all that healthy in the new video. It may be now or never.