Democrats/Liberals would be far more convincing if they weren't such creepy, hateful, lying bastards.

It really is troubling that Oralmann is in bed with these blue blogs. There's a tacit understanding that whatever they post will be rehashed on Countdown. Does this bastard even HAVE a staff of researchers??

Well, you do have to admit: You can't point to anyone in this Adminsitration who is a creepy, hateful, lying bastard.

Sounds a lot like the Clinton administration to me Clucker.

The radical leftists are drinking up the "Bush assinated Tillman" story like it was free beer. It's their favorite new conspiracy theory. Well, after the Cheney shot Tillman bullshit.

JohnDoll, I have been wanting to mention that your recap the other night was masterful. It can't be easy to satirize the parody that KO already is.

Grammie

ChickenBlogger, what was that you were saying on the July 26 thread that you didn't notice anyone putting forward a theory that Pat Tillman was murdered?

Grammie

thanks, Grammie!

"It really is troubling that Oralmann is in bed with these blue blogs. There's a tacit understanding that whatever they post will be rehashed on Countdown. Does this bastard even HAVE a staff of researchers??"

I'm guessing the fact that bush held a conference with right wing bloggers to discuss how to use the administrations arguments over executive priviledge is fair game tho, huh john-o?

Patsy, Patsy, Patsy, I am so disappointed that you, the most creative and innovative opponent here, has succumbed to that tired old bromide 'senile' that has been used by dozens before you to describe me.

Your trademark phrase, BU$HWIPE, is still so fresh and original I would think you come up with something that every Tom, Dick and Harry hasn't used already.

Oh, wait. My mistake. I forgot, senility you know creeps up when I least expect it, BU$HWIPE is your ONLY trick.

Please ignore my earlier comments. I temporarily forgot why I have my loving nickname, Patsy the One Trick Pony, for you.

Senility is a bitch. But hey, the alternative is so permanent.

Grammie

Look what I did... or didn't do!:

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ytopz5

Keeping it real in the world of Fairly Unbalanced!

the horrendous Pat Tillman episode
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To the RW, he was disposable, his family is disposable, everyone serving in Iraq and in Afghanistan is disposable, all their families are disposable. Why else could the Occupation continue? The Invasion and Occupation were seen as "necessary" to consolidate power, and now the continued Occupation is some desperate effort to retain power. Even the most strident RW'er knows power is seeping from their grubby little hands. That is why we should all be alarmed about our policy in Iran. Is that going to be a final attempt to keep in power? You have to wonder. It would be imprudent not to be cynical when you're dealing with these people.

Gummies,

In your hundreds of years have you learned anything?

Have you at least learned to stay away from a steaming pile of shit like Johnny BU$HWIPE or Robert 'sucking' Cox?

Rhetorical question. Of course NOT.

But don't mind me. You are so busy making room in Mt. Rushmore for Dumbya, as once you praised your retarded son, Robert Cox.

Looks like KO is getting closer to my prediction that he'll blame Bush for 9/11...after all if he's willing to get in bed with Daily Kos on the "Bush had Tillman killed" theory then thats just one "Special Comment " away from calling 9/11 an "inside job"...wait for either this September or next year for it to happen.

It would be imprudent not to be cynical when you're dealing with these people.

Posted by: Clucker at July 28, 2007 12:04 AM

You better believe it.

To the dozen or so people who still watch MESSNBC to see their favorite liberal whiner, KO, why not just cut out the middle man and go straight to the source, DailyKos, Media Matters, etc?

Patsy, your bile is leaking through.

You took a shot at me and I returned the favor.

Didn't your mama ever teach you that if you dish it out be prepared to take it.

Grammie

"There is no single nor cummulative event(s) of the Bush Administration that would ever stir the RW'ers to a moment of clarity or admission of culpability for them"

Yes, there is, WDYCWMNI (sorry, can't be troubled to type all the letters in your name, this is easier)......

Amnesty for illegal immigrants.....Harriet Miers.....Julie Myers (wtf is the Bush obsession with unqualified Miers/Myers and all other variations anyway?)

That's 3.

Sorry, WDYCWMNI....I suffered from premature poster-ation there......

Google "Bush Ice Nominee" and see how many supporting links come up.

Naw, Bush didn't fly those planes on 9/11, but his Saudi friends, including those directly related to Bin Laden, were flying that day. Anyone here recall the Saudi family members allowed to leave the country while the air traffic across the country was in lock-down?

I guess that was a national security issue, just not America's.

OUCH!

Gummie BU$HWIPE is down to 'your mamma' insults.

Go on Gummies... we always knew you had it in your self.

"I'm guessing the fact that bush held a conference with right wing bloggers to discuss how to use the administrations arguments over executive priviledge is fair game tho, huh john-o?"

Posted by: dontblameme at July 27, 2007 11:16 PM

Hacks are hacks, left or right. But where was that reported? And which bloggers?

Nice post, Bob.

On a somewhat ironic note, I know a couple of the guys who tour with him, one in particular a devote Christian, who has yet to say anything negative about Thompson's religious status.

The zealots of otherwise noble religions make the rest of us look bad in the eyes of other zealots., including a few who own networks.

I have a friend that is an immigrant from Bosnia, and a Muslim.

Check out the history of Bosnian Muslims during WWII....

Do I think she is an anti-Semitic, kill-the-Jews fanatic? NO!

Do I think every Muslim wants to kill Americans and Jews and is a suicide bomber? NO!

Do I think every Democrat/Liberal/Progressive is an anti-American traitorous bastard? YES!

Just kidding.....stereotypes are bad, m'kay....

Patsy, dear, Gummie has been used by every Tom, Dick and Harry here too.

If you live long enough I have every confidence that you will be able to learn a new trick eventually.

If not, your BU$HWIPE never fails to amaze and entertain us no matter how many times you regale us with it.

Grammie

19th greatest of all time, huh?

How important is he? I bet Rush and Sean Hannity get way more hate mail than he does.

It as if getting hate mail in and of itself is some sort of achievement.

It really makes me wonder who would bother to send this guy hate mail in the first place.

To the dozen or so people who still watch MESSNBC to see their favorite liberal whiner, KO, why not just cut out the middle man and go straight to the source, DailyKos, Media Matters, etc?

Posted by: Jay Williams at July 28, 2007 12:31 AM

Have you heard of hooked on phonics? Watching the orange faced prick is like putting on the record, saves them from having to sound out all of the words online..........

Tillmans mother deserves grief. She's a despicable friggen liberal. No mercy for cowards.

Fox news drives em crazy. HA! loser pussys.

These are not good times for republicans.

Posted by: at July 27, 2007 10:06 PM

I beg to differ with you, patsy.

Any propaganda machine presenting itself as a reputable news organization should warrant skepticism by a rational-thinking public regardless of political affiliations.

Continuously misrepresenting the truth is not news reporting, little one. Isn't that a primary reason this site exists? Or are we just spewing more falsehoods to amuse and vex one another?

*heh*

Royal "Don't blame me, I voted for Goebbels" King!

RK would have been positive, encouraging force for Adolph in the bunker during his last days.

Posted by: Truth flashlight at July 28, 2007 2:06 AM

"Positive" and "encouraging," 2 things you know nothing about.....thanks anyways.

RK: "Like I'm going to believe a left wing site like Fox news.
Heeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyy, wait a minute .
The Fox news Poll said WHAT" ?

Posted by: Truth FLASHBACK at July 28, 2007 2:28 AM

Step away from the pipe, patsy, you've had waaaaaaaaaaayyy too much for one day.

Hillary will be president when pigs fly. It ain't gonna happen.

Obama will never be president. He says too many stupid things.

If it ain't Hillary, and it ain't Obama, then it must be Rudy, Mitt, or Fred.

Enjoy your fantasy, loons, before your dream turns in to a nightmare.

Cheney this weekend gets a new heart
Playing the part of president, Bush gets a start
Freelancing the truth,
With his own words to boot,
While pace-making the Undead seems more so a lark

it ain't Hillary, and it ain't Obama, then it must be Rudy, Mitt, or Fred.

Enjoy your fantasy, loons, before your dream turns in to a nightmare.
Posted by: A Pig Who Don't Fly at July 28, 2007 2:35 AM

FOX News Poll: Most Think Democrats Will Win White House in 2008

How far right will the RW'ers have to go to find a publication or web site that predicts a republican victory in 08?
Now they can't even believe their golden cow, Fox News.

Yes, a very bad time for republicans !

Posted by: Truth flashlight at July 28, 2007 2:42 AM

What is this stupidity?

You're probably of the age where you spent most of your time in a playpen when there was a Repub minority in '94 and watching cartoons in '2000 when Bush was elected Pres, but trust me on this, Democrats still managed not to disembowel themselves...and continued to enjoy barbecue ribs, Dean Koontz and the sunrises.

We'll manage to do the same...the beat will go on....

I haven't seen Olbermann in months. I come here and see it's the same.
Muslims=Good
Jews/Christians=Evil
Iran=Good
US=Bad
Democrats=Good
Republicans=Bad.
He's not a real thinker.
He's a puppet!

And Joker, don't forget the conspiracy theory du jour: the Bush administration has apparently turned into the Mafia and ordered a hit on Pat Tillman! Seriously, take a visit to the blue blogs and they are wetting their pants over this. The more uhm, "special" ones of them want to see Bush prosecuted for his "murder".

It's a friendly fire/fragging incident people. That's it. Nothing more, nothing less. His death is tragic and unfortunate but people do die in wars you know? Oh yes, I forgot, you actually don't want this government to protect it's citizens and ever have another war again--see latest Rosie O'Donnell nonsense.

When Bill talks about Media Matters, Keith makes him "Worst Person in the World" every day of the week. When Bill talks about Daily Kos, Keith makes him "Worst Person in the World" every day of the week. Keith is a puppet and the liberal blogs are pulling his strings.

Krazy Keith is the Daily Kos tool
Like a puppet, the consummate fool
Just pull Olby's string
Herr Moonbat will sing
And from both sides of his mouth he'll drool

BOVINE! WHERE ARE YOU STUPID FLEA BAG?

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Posted by: Truth FLASHBACK at July 28, 2007 2:28 AM

Step away from the pipe, patsy, you've had waaaaaaaaaaayyy too much for one day.
Posted by: royalking at July 28, 2007 2:34 AM

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According to your paranoid list, that makes, what? 100? 200? monikers I use to post.

Keep counting, moron. Every time you accuse someone else of posting as me, you make all of us laugh.

Thanks, Bob!

With Cheney "under," does anyone know who is running the country today?

Don't worry, I only hang around here until my nephew gets home from nursery school. BU$HWIPES!

No name- you have only half of the facts... and are doing nothiong to prove your point. Motive (shakey at best- he was against the war and Bush) does not warrant an executive order from GBush to execute a war hero. But you probably still think Bush stole the 2000 election and was in on 911. I pity the fool.

Ok you creepy, lying, conspiritorial bent nutjobs, read the following by a member of our armed forces with some knowledge of the incident, if you dare.
1) Tillman was not Special Forces. He was a Ranger. I was actually in Tillman's battalion though I did not know him. I am good friends with his Platoon Sergeant and Squad Leader. While Rangers are highly trained light infantry and a part of Special Operations Command, Special Forces is a different unit altogether and made up of much more experienced soldiers. For many in his platoon this was their first time in combat which makes mistakes a very real danger.

2) Nighttime missions are the standard, not the exception. In fact we avoid daylight at all costs. Why? Because our ability to operate in the dark is a distinct advantage on our enemy. Daytime makes operations more dangerous, not less.

3) They were ordered to proceed on foot because their delays were causing problems in the operation. They were a small part of a larger operation and it was causing the whole mission to lag way behind schedule. In my opinion it was a bad call and the officer who made the order was actually punished for it already.

4) You are absolutely correct that Tillman was not a "conservative" nor was he in favor of the Iraq war... but he was not in Iraq. He was in Afghanistan. Tillman's tour in Iraq had been months earlier.

5) The medical examiner did not say he was shot at close range. He said the grouping was tight as if fired from close range. Plus, the story is, and I've heard it relayed personally, that Tillman had everyone firing at him. Chances are he was hit from multiple weapons.

One things seems to be lost on people. Pat's brother Kevin was in the same platoon. It's not hard to imagine that his friends were reluctant to tell him while still on the battlefield that they had killed his brother. My guess is that the story they came up with to avoid this was passed along and that when the truth came out, the Bush admin tried to keep it quiet.

CNN did an excellent documentary on this very topic a few months back and they keep repeating it. The time of the day of the incident, the light made it difficult to see, yes the Humvee's had broken down but staying in the valley made them a sitting duck for enemy forces so they proceeded on foot. Yes, they were fired upon by multiple gunmen because the remainder of the platoon thought that they were the enemy and were all firing on them, no big shock there. Wouldn't it make sense the shots would be "tightly compacted" if the gunmen were beside one another in a firing position? DUH! In short, every single one of your hair-brained conspiracy theories can easily be debunked with verifable (and non-military/government) sources. But you people don't believe in sources or the truth, you prefer to go with hysteria and your own little conspiracy theories, a la Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donnel, Keith Olbermann, etc. If Clinton were still president and something like this happened I bet you wouldn't be saying a word about this. Hypocrites.

If Clinton were still president Tillman would still be alive.

Nor do either admit the bold outright lies that have come from this administration from day one of this saga.

Cowards !

Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at July 28, 2007 1:25 PM

This coming from someone that couldn't give a rats ass about our troops. It's all about Bush lying or claiming he lied with no evidence. Did you know that living with constant hate and negativity is a big cause of cancer and other diseases? Something to ponder while you are scouring for more "Bush lied" and "Bush is bad" opinion pieces.

Exactly, rk.

Unfortunately for you, Bush is the cancer.

You don't have to have half the contempt as ha and his folks have shown for our troops, congress, the bill of rights, etc. to realize too many people have died already due to this administration's willfully malignant approach to government.

It's interesting to me to realize that most of Bush's fan club assumes everyone else uses the same standards to applaud or denounce present and past presidents, and are so readily willing to fight anyone who considers a different perspective of the same horizon.

Hitler and Mussolini would've killed to have such a loyal following.

Brandon: "you prefer to go with hysteria and your own little conspiracy theories, a la Michael Moore"...

Funny, I hadn't heard that Michael Moore was one of the ones claiming that Tillman was murdered?

Friggen nutjob conspiritorial unhinged creeps. HA! Time will reveal the truth, and this will go down in the books right along side the 9/11 was a Bush-plot lunacy. HA!

Liberals/Democrats would be far more convincing if they didn't fall for every irrational, insipid conspiracy theory that enters their grey matter. That, and being creepy, lying bastards too.

Friggen idiots think Tillman was Special Forces. HA!

You got any new lines to try on us 'Zizwheel', or is your pull string stuck on that one?

Honestly, I don't get it.

What does Tillman's special forces status have to do with whether or not a cover-up was justified for his death?

Set afire any new straw man arguments lately?

*Zizwheel is so far right, he'd think Nixon was a creepy, lying bastard, and not for the same reasons the rest of us do.

In contrast to W., I almost miss Nixon.

I think that Karl Rove personally went to Afghanistan to orchestrate Tillman's murder after he masterminded the Valerie Plame leak and stole the 2004 vote in Ohio to win the election for Pres. Bush, who had advance knowledge that the twin towers would be taken out on 9/11 and allowed it to happen.

heh... amazing what those NSA wiretaps will uncover!

You forgot to include the prisoner abuses, ignoring the Geneva Conventions, outsourcing torture, repealing habeas corpus, shielding his Saudi friends from any accountability for supporting terrorism, stealing Election 2000, cutting VA medical benefits and funding as well as No Child Left Behind, tax breaks during wartime, fabricating EPA and Energy policy studies, shunning the Kyoto Treaty, Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, the US Attorney debacle, the list goes on and on.

That guy Rove sure has been a busy busy man. He could probably use a few extra hands carrying out all these plans.

You got any new lines to try on us 'Zizwheel', or is your pull string stuck on that one?

Posted by: Mike at July 28, 2007 3:36 PM

So, it's ok for aap/why/anon to make his asinine comments over and over, but, ziz gets ridiculed by you? Not too much of a partisan hack, are you?

OK, if you're gonna spout conspiracy rumors as being truth, the very least you can do is get the facts straight. Tillman was a ranger, not "Special Forces". It's as simple as that.

Yeah, just have one or two facts correct, in your jumble of dreams and wishes..

Yes, I know Tillman was a Ranger.

So, how does that qualify his death, or any Ranger, being covered up?

That was the point I was raising.

Please try again.

Nixon, don't conflate my post with your question. Conflation is at least as despicable as posing 'straw men'.

Great news! Bush is selling weapons to the Saudis. That would be the same Saudis who were the 9/11 hijackers, I suppose. You do not suppose these weapons might ever be used against us, do you. Like when Rumsfeld sold weapons to Saddaam many Rumsfelds ago. What a class act these people are. Always have America's interest at heart. All our jobs are going to the Far East, all our weapons to the Middle East. Well, I guess we'll still have Nachos Bel Grande.

...and a rhetorical question at that.

....>> "All our jobs are going to the Far East, all our weapons to the Middle East. "

Thanks for the refresher on the mechanics of conflation vs. straw man, 20 20 Hindsight.

I bet your grade-school debate team is mighty proud of you.

Sincerely, I suggest the debate over whether or not Tillman was special forces is not the most significant detail of the controversy behind his death. Sure sounds like a "lookover there!" argument to me.

"All our jobs are going to the Far East, all our weapons to the Middle East. "

Yeah, I don't know. Z-wheel might have you there, Clucker.
I think India is technically not part of the Far East.

Dude,

Nixon and Clucker are delusional.

Doemstic job groeth has been great. Hell, I got three of those new jobs Bushies folks claim credit for, just to make ends meet! Back in Clinton's day, I only had the one job. Loser!

Where'd everyone go? I suppose surfing O'Reilly's site for potential rebuttals. Here kitty, kitty...

... or they, along with the rest of us, are still trying to decipher your typos. I assume you've got opposable thumbs, MB. Try using them on the keyboard next time.

Oh, the war in Iraq is frightful
For the White House, it's politically spiteful
When a change of subject
is what what BushCo requests,
Tony Snow, Tony Snow, Tony Snow!

What what?!

Sigh. Busted.

The typo gods got me. My apologies to MB (although I still recommend using your opposable thumbs if you have them).

I suspect they all had to report back to their respective Orbs.

Ah yes, just in time for the weekend news...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/23sppj

Gotta love that president of Saudi Arabia!

Spin all the conspiracy yarn you wish. The truth- tree will not bear fruit for some time to come. Until then, your accusations are nothing more than farts in a wind storm. HA!
Enjoy!

I rememeber a time when some people on the political fringe who hated Clinton back in the 90's came up with stories that Clinton conspired to run cocaine thorugh a small municipal airport in Arkansas, conspired with the Arkansas troopers to bump off political opponents and make it look like accidents. Cinton did some pretty low down stuff, but no sincere person took this garbage seriously. These fringe haters were pretty quickly dismissed by most reasonable people.

Political loonies cut from the same cloth but from the other end of the political spectrum are doing the same thing with Presdient Bush today. The lefty haters are now manufacturing tripe like President "supporting terrorism" and "stealing Election 2000" and ordering Pat Tillman's assassination.

Reasonable people reject your thinly veiled hate.

For the clear thinkers at this board: I highly encourage you to go visit KO's favorite blue blogs/websites and watch the way in which these anti-gun sissies have suddenly morphed themselves into weapons & ballistic experts, you know, the same way that "comedian" Rosie O'Donnell suddenly became a credible expert in the loons eyes engineering, architecture, construction, and physics regarding the 9/11 "conspiracy". No wonder they seem to operate on the continued delusion that Olbermann is a "journalist". Geez.

heh... 7:44p,

You seriously want to compare the political critiques of Clinton v. W? Unfortunately for you analogy, today's fringe is represented by a majority of American voters, including an increasing number of republicans.

I suspect that if Clinton pulled any of the stunts W has (and seems committed to continue doing so), a similar proportion of Americans and a significant number of our lefty friends would be hollering too.

But you're right, stealing the 2000 election, like so many things, was beyond W's abilities, but not above those of Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, the RNC, and others (looking at you, Spremes). But launching an illegal war, and subsequently inflaming a region to effectively aid terrorist recruitment, even through sheer incompetence lies squarely on the honorable AWOLer's shoulders.

Dodging your military service during Vietnam is one thing, but to dodge your own war is criminal, at least to rational-thinking people.

Tillmans mother deserves grief. She's a despicable friggen liberal. No mercy for cowards.

Posted by: Falafel at July 28, 2007 1:55 AM

Wow.
Profound, extra-crispy RW hatespeak.

I feel smarter for having read this.

Oh no, the Clinton's would never, ever deal in a cover-up. Unless it involved Whitewater. Or sex, as in Bill, "I did not have sex with that woman" Clinton? Oh yeah, no cover-up there in that administration ever. You're hitting the drugs again aren't you there Name? Oh well at least your posts are endlessly amusing to me for the sheer amount of Democratic Kool-Aid you seem to have had pumped into you via IV. I read the Democratic websites (Kos, HuffPost, DU) pretty much every day and I see the fawning posts by the idiots who believe that Rosie is a spokesperson for them just like you seem to think Olbermann is. You people worship every celeb you think hates Bush and you believe every word they say just so long as they are Bush bashing.

"despicable friggen liberal"

... isn't this redundant in neocon-speak? I mean, when was the last time any of us read anything remotely civil about liberals?

I guess by that measure, those "despicable friggen liberal(s)" are gaining more moms and dads of dead troops in their camp every day. it's a shame that something as apolitical as death turns otherwise non-pundit others into liberals while it's merely a tragedy if one of ours gets killed.

Wow.
Profound, extra-crispy RW hatespeak.

I feel smarter for having read this.

Posted by: The Truth at July 28, 2007 11:05 PM

If you were smart you'd consider that Falafel may not be anything more than a troll.

Comparing Clinton's and Bush's legal transgressions require some fuzzy math. Without debating the validity of the Whitewater investigation(s), we can assume Clinton had two key scandals, neither of which could be seriously considered a national security issue, arguably the Lewinsky affair was personal more than anything; and as far as I can tell, no one was tortured or killed in the process, nor any of the Bill of Rights stripped away or left forsaken.

Conversely, Bush passed his Clintonesque "two-fer" quota years ago, with significantly higher consequences for the country at large, the constitution, our foreign affairs... and, I truly think, the moral high ground.

I'm not a Clinton lover by a long shot, but to suggest that the love-hate relationship between Clinton and Bush supporters is based on equal merit is naive at best.

Did you know that living with constant hate and negativity is a big cause of cancer and other diseases?

Posted by: royalking at July 28, 2007 1:54 PM

RK would know.
He is the only poster out here who is hell bent on keeping each of his posts positive and hate-free.

Friggen nutjob conspiritorial unhinged creeps. HA! Time will reveal the truth, and this will go down in the books right along side the 9/11 was a Bush-plot lunacy. HA!

Posted by: 20 20 Hindsight at July 28, 2007 3:05 PM

Any dem who believes these conspiracies must have learned from the ridiculous Vince Foster tales.

Yep, Rosie's got fans... so does Bill O'Reilly, Ann Coultier, Al Franken, Sean Pitt, Jennifer Griffin, Lou Dobbs, George Clooney, Alec Baldwin, Howard Stern, etc.

And they're all equally annoying even though they have a right to speak (at least I think so. Haven't checked today to see of The First had been repealed).

Thank goodness none of them work for qualified news organizations.

Two words: data mining

... and a source: http://preview.tinyurl.com/34x4gb

Yep, just like lying about a hummer in the O-office.

Thank you, drive through.

You people worship every celeb you think hates Bush and you believe every word they say just so long as they are Bush bashing.

Posted by: Brandon at July 28, 2007 11:10 PM

No, not really.
We may just agree to hate Bush. There are so many reasons that it isn't necessary to "worship" other Bush-haters.

That's the thing with hating Bush, Cheney et al...
There's enough to go around and something for everyone.

I'd like to pose a question to any of the Bush supporters out here.

Are any of you the least bit upset that 15 of 19 hijackers were from SAUDI ARABIA and virtually NOTHING was done about this?

No one seems to ever bring this up.

Did you know that even AFTER 9/11 the text that Saudi school children read claimed that the US citizens were pigs and infidels and must be killed?

The same prince that Bushie himself was holding hands with in those famous pics would only comment by saying, "Well, that's not ALL Saudis who feel this way".

Does anyone have a sensible reason as to why they have been cleansed of any responsibility and remain such a "friend" of this country to this day?

I've asked this question before, and its usually answered with some type of "This is an Olbywatch site" response.

If this doesn't bother you, please say so.
If it does, why is there no attention EVER paid to it?

Again albeit abridged,

It's interesting to me to realize that most of Bush's fan club assumes everyone else uses the same standards to applaud or denounce present and past presidents.