Seriously, that was the MOST predictable Media Matters minute I have ever seen. The Olbsession with "Fixed Noise" (hilarious variant on "Fox Noise") is reaching a borderline paranoid delusion

>Fox shouldn't be called news, it should be called Fox Opinion...

...Source?

DailyKos!!! Now THAT'S funny.

Moron paranoid Clintonwipes

The Bush administration has over four years lost essentially all credibility. Yet now the administration's critics, in part as a result, seem unaware of the significant changes taking place.

Here is the most important thing Americans need to understand: We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily "victory" but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with.
After the furnace-like heat, the first thing you notice when you land in Baghdad is the morale of our troops...Today, morale is high. The soldiers and marines told us they feel that they now have a superb commander in Gen. David Petraeus; they are confident in his strategy, they see real results, and they feel now they have the numbers needed to make a real difference.

And, the numbers speak for themselves:

[C]ivilian fatality rates are down roughly a third since the surge began - though they remain very high, underscoring how much more still needs to be done.

[...]

[T]hings look much better than before. American advisers told us that many of the corrupt and sectarian Iraqi commanders who once infested the force have been removed. The American high command assesses that more than three-quarters of the Iraqi Army battalion commanders in Baghdad are now reliable partners (at least for as long as American forces remain in Iraq).
In war, sometimes it's important to pick the right adversary, and in Iraq we seem to have done so. A major factor in the sudden change in American fortunes has been the outpouring of popular animus against Al Qaeda and other Salafist groups, as well as (to a lesser extent) against Moktada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army.
These groups have tried to impose Shariah law, brutalized average Iraqis to keep them in line, killed important local leaders and seized young women to marry off to their loyalists. The result has been that in the last six months Iraqis have begun to turn on the extremists and turn to the Americans for security and help. The most important and best-known example of this is in Anbar Province, which in less than six months has gone from the worst part of Iraq to the best (outside the Kurdish areas). Today the Sunni sheiks there are close to crippling Al Qaeda and its Salafist allies. Just a few months ago, American marines were fighting for every yard of Ramadi; last week we strolled down its streets without body armor.
How much longer should American troops keep fighting and dying to build a new Iraq while Iraqi leaders fail to do their part? And how much longer can we wear down our forces in this mission? These haunting questions underscore the reality that the surge cannot go on forever. But there is enough good happening on the battlefields of Iraq today that Congress should plan on sustaining the effort at least into 2008.

Even the stone hearted Marxist at the Brookings institute and the New York Slimes think the surge is working. Do their memberships in the zombie nation get revoked?

Has KO ever had an original thought in his head?

If he did it would die of boredom.

Tacky, thoughtless Olby uses the sad occasion of the deaths of two famous people to make himself the focus of the stories of their passing. Our pal even brought out decade-old videotape of Tom Snyder complimenting him (which probably came from Olby's own vanity collection). Olby knows absolutely no shame.

Why hasn't Olbermann defended the Koran burning?

Although the call was rejected, aides to both men admit that Mr Maliki and Gen David Petraeus engage in frequent stand-up shouting matches, differing particularly over the US general's moves to arm Sunni tribesmen to fight al-Qa'eda.

One Iraqi source said Mr Maliki used a video conference with Mr Bush to call for the general's signature strategy to be scrapped. "He told Bush that if Petraeus continues, he would arm Shia militias," said the official. "Bush told Maliki to calm down."

At another meeting with Gen Petraeus, Mr Maliki said: "I can't deal with you any more. I will ask for someone else to replace you."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/07/28/wirq128.xml

Leave it to Olby to somehow find a way to interject himself into a story and pull a quote out of a dead man that just so happened to compliment him. Could he get any tackier?

I actually watch a little MSDNC this weekend. They had a "To Catch a Predator" marathon on and I wanted to watch a few of the shows before the ACLU shuts down their sting operation.
MSDNC seemed to advertise Olbermann’s show as a comedy show. All it showed was a parody of a robot anchorman with a pictured of Olbermann smiling like a jackass. Then there was Olbermann trying to feed off the Simpson Movie hype. For someone who doesn't know Olbermann, IE 99.98% of the county, they might think he is a Jay Leno comedy host. Why doesn't MSDNC have the courage to show Olbermann accusing the president of murdering Pat Tillman? Why doesn’t MSDNC have the courage to show Olbermann calling for the impeachment of George Bush?

Even the stone hearted Marxist at the Brookings institute and the New York Slimes think the surge is working. Do their memberships in the zombie nation get revoked?

Posted by: The Factor at July 30, 2007 10:09 PM

So die-hard neocon flack Kenneth Pollack is a "Stone-hearted Marxist"? I hear he and Krauthammer sing "the Internationale" together in the broom closets of the "Gray Lady".

Of course it's so predictable what Olby will say and do and even what his mannerisms will be but I'm STILL amazed that he STILL continues on promoting (yes, that's the right word!) Bill O Reilly and FOX NEWS. I guess I come from a different world of advertising and promotion where it was almost against the law to even acknowledge that another organization exists. I know people who are opposed to what I'm saying will come back with the argument that everyone knows there is a FOX and a Bill O Reilly and just by mentioning them nightly doesn't really promote them but I hate to tell all you libs out there that it ACTUALLY DOES in the sense that there will be people who will turn the channel to the other station to see what Olby is talking about as of course Billo is on at the same time. And to take the cahnce that someone will actually do this and actually find the other programming more interesting (whichit is!) wouldn't be worth it to me. I don't have the time to go into all of this but when I was into advertising I proved this to be true TIME AND TIME AGAIN.

FOX couldn't do better than having Olby and MSNBC in general admit they exist. When you're #3 or 4 the best thing to do is to at least pretend you're not in the cellar like MSNBC is.

Can we execute all Faux hosts yet ?

Sir Loin of Beef ,
As a Leftist why aren't you outraged that a Student that used his 1st Amendment Rights to burn a Koran is being charged with a crime?

Sorry Joker. The student should have burned the bible or a pictured of Jesus. Then the ACLU and people like Sir Loin would be in the streets marching for his freedom. Sir Loin wants the infidel beheaded for burning the sacred Koran.

Can we execute all Faux hosts yet ?

Posted by: Bill O'lielly at July 30, 2007 10:46 PM

Funny how all these "peace loving" liberals want every one who disagrees with them to die horrible deaths.

Sir Loin of Beef ,
As a Leftist why aren't you outraged that a Student that used his 1st Amendment Rights to burn a Koran is being charged with a crime?

Posted by: The Joker at July 30, 2007 10:52 PM
Sorry Joker. The student should have burned the bible or a pictured of Jesus. Then the ACLU and people like Sir Loin would be in the streets marching for his freedom. Sir Loin wants the infidel beheaded for burning the sacred Koran.

Posted by: The Factor at July 30, 2007 11:02 PM

I don't know who this is or where it occurred, but if it happened in the US the ACLU is on his case.

I see the FBI and the IRS conducted a good, old fashioned search of Senator Stevens' ("the internet is a series of tubes")house today. As I recall, he is America's longest-serving Republican Senator. FBI searches, indictments, perp walks, warbling from the Big House, flip-flopping on abortion and almost every other issue, whores at home and in Washington, multiple marriages .... No wonder they call it the Grand Old Party. Almost as much fun to watch as to attend ....

Mr "Bidge to Nowhere" Ted Stevens himself. The same Ted Stevens who literally threw a tantrum on the Senate floor when they first proposed taking it away from him.

Hey Clucker, did anyone ever find that research institute the Captin Jack Murtha was building with our money? But I guess Captin Jack always has been one step ahead of the FBI when taking bribe money. Too bad William Jeffers wasn't.
Your right Clucker. Democrats make much better criminals than Republicans.

I don't know which party is home to the better criminals, I just know that the Republican party is home to more of them. Just last week, the Prophet Karl Rove unveiled majic tablets that said the Republicans would win in 2008 if they stay out of trouble. Maybe that's the strategy, bring charges against all of them in 2007 and hope people forget by 2008. He is truly a genius.

don't know who this is or where it occurred, but if it happened in the US the ACLU is on his case.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 30, 2007 11:18 PM
So SLOB has finally admitted he/she reads no newspaper's or watches TV. Take a bath SLOBmann, maybe keithy will join you, and watch even your beloved MSKOS network since it's been "covering" it all day.

Quality recap tonight. I don't know how the hell he gets so much ground covered so quickly...

Wow, anon 10:16 PM and Brandon,

Why do you care about Snyder at all? He's obviously a loon for complimenting Olby, so he deserves to receive the same quality of behavior here other fawners do.

Obviously, Olby's not the only one using a dead man to broadcast their own vanities.

Ted Stevens: "NO!!!"

At least should be encouraging, especially for conservatives:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20032918/

No deal means I won't have to cancel my subscription.

So Olbermann makes a funny reference to himself having a gigantic phallis. Could O'Reilly get away with that? The left that holds Conservatives to a higher standard, especially Olby, would be having a field day.

...And Olby opened calling O'Reilly " 50% Sleaze".

http://preview.tinyurl.com/37orgp

"...And Olby opened calling O'Reilly " 50% Sleaze"."

Incorrigible! So wrong. It's closer to 80 percent.

Let the FCC worry about on-air phallic references.

I worry more about the actual truth being reported by either clown.

O'Reilly is Sleaze. By the way. Does anyone know I can "insert" more dick and fart jokes into my "newscast". I would also like to know what woman I should call a hore today. Everyone who dies likes me. Just remeber that.

Democrats/Liberals would be far more convincing if they weren't such creepy, hateful, lying bastards.

If my name was "Cenk Uygur" I'd be pissed too. HA!

Nah, they still wouldn't be convincing. They would still be morons.

"If my name was "Cenk Uygur" I'd be pissed too. HA!"

Heh... that's actually kinda funny.

Bill O'Reilly. Classy dude. (post #1)

Here's some choice quotes from the case where he was sued for sexual harassment (she had recordings).

Quote: During the course of Defendant BILL O'REILLY's sexual rant, it became clear that he was using a vibrator upon himself, and that he ejaculated.

Quote: When Plaintiff responded that she never engaged in phone sex, Defendant BILL O'REILLY professed disbelief, and told her that the sexual stories he told were all based on his own experiences, such as when he received a massage in a cabana in Bali and the "little short brown woman" asked to see his penis and was "amazed." Defendant BILL O'REILLY then suggested that he tell Plaintiff the same sexual stories, which he knew she would "just love." Shocked and embarrassed, Plaintiff ANDREA MACKRIS informed Defendant in no uncertain terms that she was never experienced in nor interested in gaining experience in telephone sex. Defendant expressed disbelief.

Quote: If any woman ever breathed a word I'll make her pay so dearly that she'll wish she'd never been born. I'll rake her through the mud, bring up things in her life and make her so miserable that she'll be destroyed. And besides, she wouldn't be able to afford the lawyers I can or endure it financially as long as I can. And nobody would believe her, it'd be her word against mine and who are they going to believe? Me or some unstable woman making outrageous accusations. They'd see her as some psycho, someone unstable. Besides, I'd never make the mistake of picking unstable crazy girls like that.

Quote: If you cross FOX NEWS CHANNEL, it's not just me, it's [FOX President] Roger Ailes who will go after you. I'm the street guy out front making loud noises about the issues, but Ailes operates behind the scenes, strategizes and makes things happen so that one day BAM! The person gets what's coming to them but never sees it coming. Look at Al Franken, one day he's going to get a knock on his door and life as he's known it will change forever. That day will happen, trust me.

Quote: During the course of O'REILLY's telephone monologue on August 2, 2004, he suggested that Plaintiff ANDREA MACKRIS purchase a vibrator and name it, and that he had one "shaped like a cock with a little battery in it" that a woman had given him. It became apparent that Defendant was masturbating as he spoke. After he climaxed, Defendant O'REILLY said to Plaintiff: "I appreciate the fun phone call. You can have fun tonight. I'll appreciate it. I mean it."

Quote: Well, if I took you down there then I'd want to take a shower with you right away, that would be the first thing I'd do ... yeah, we'd check into the room, and we would order up some room service and uh and you'd definitely get two wines into you as quickly as I could get into you I would get 'em into you ... maybe intravenously get those glasses of wine into you...

You would basically be in the shower and then I would come in and I'd join you and you would have your back to me and I would take that little loofa thing and kinda' soap up your back ... rub it all over you, get you to relax, hot water .... and um ... you know, you'd feel the tension drain out of you and uh you still would be with your back to me then I would kinda' put my arm -- it's one of those mitts those loofa mitts you know, so I got my hands in it ... and I would put it around front, kinda' rub your tummy a little bit with it, and then with my other hand I would start to massage your boobs, get your nipples really hard ... 'cuz I like that and you have really spectacular boobs....

So anyway I'd be rubbing your big boobs and getting your nipples really hard, kinda' kissing your neck from behind ... and then I would take the other hand with the falafel (sic) thing and I'd put it on your pussy but you'd have to do it really light, just kind of a tease business...

Hey Keith, Bill O'Reilly actually calls his show an opinion show. On top of your Countdown web page right now it refers to your program as a "newscast". On your "newscast" you have called Republicans terrorists, called President Bush a Nazi, called Attorney General Gonzalez a houseboy, called Homeland Secretary Chertoff a clown, and called Senator Vitter's wife a ho. Perhaps you should be the one who begins advertising your show as opinion.

Oh, and Ted Stevens (R) had his house raided by the FBI. All the raids and searches and siezures of William Jefferson (D) were ignored on OlbyPlanet. Try to guess why. Update on Chief Justice Roberts.

Very telling of Keefy's agenda.

RK,

Sounds like you missed something.

The Jefferson story was covered, twice that I can recall, in late May, on Olby's show:

May 24: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12971702/
May 30: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13065636/

I am sincerely interested in the health of the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. I don't know what American wouldn't, frankly. But your comment seems to suggest that your agenda as overshadowing Olby's.

Just saying you might want to make a quick Google search before posting something as vulnerable as the last post.

Thanks for the "fawning," lmao.

Democrats/Liberals would be far more convincing if they weren't such creepy, hateful, lying bastards.

Posted by: *Zizwheel at July 31, 2007 1:22 AM
This makes me laugh, you murderous motherfuckers you. Creepy is looking in the mirror and seeing your incompetant serial killing lover of death you have supported looking back at you and thinking you have something to add to a democracy, besides rolling over for the appointed leaders you love.

The incident at Haditha. We‘ll show you a step-by-step account of the events leading up to and during the alleged murder of Iraqi civilians. What does this mean for those hearts and minds in Iraq and beyond? We‘ll talk to the brother of the murdered Marine whose death allegedly sparked the Haditha killings.

"Those who are too smart
to engage in politics
are punished by being governed
by those who are dumber."
- Plato (427-347 B.C.)

All the raids and searches and siezures of William Jefferson (D) were ignored on OlbyPlanet. Try to guess why.
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Ignorant, as usual, Monsieur Royale.

Haditha
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A new channel, please.

Might I suggest you read a newspaper or periodical, watch something other than FOX or listen to someone other than Wiener? Then you might be able to talk about something new and relevant. Of course, I know you're too insolent to do so, but one can always hope.

Dear Clucker....Read the transcripts Dick cited.....they are about the congress' reaction to the FBI searches of the congressman's offices....No direct coverage of the actual events was offerred by Keith when they occurred just as a story in and of itself. Olbermann did not report about a Democrat Congressmans accused of taking bribes....unlike his dear Republican counterpart that received an entire NewsHole thread yesterday about his FBI raid.....

Trying to say Keith Olbermann is not a democratic shill is pretty silly, Clucker.... RK was right to say KO never covered the actual raids as a news story in and of itself. Read his post again.

Try holding the accusations of ignorance so that you don't appear to be such an arrogant liar.

And Olbermann's so classy he lures fans into cheap hotel rooms and plies then with even cheaper wine and then doesn't even have the manhood to perform adequately. Oh yeah, in a class contest between O'Reilly & Olby, it seems like a tie at best (worst)?

> The Jefferson story was covered, twice that I can recall, in late May, on Olby's show:

Before that his aide had been arrested. His aide entered a plea deal, admitting to taking part in bribes. Jeff's house was raided by the FBI and marked money was found in a freezer wrapped in foil as if it were lasagna. All that and more was going on in this case and NONE OF IT was reported by Olbermann.

Yes he "covered" it in late May--by mentioning Jeff in order to launch into an attack on Hastert and other (R)s. And your second link is meaningless, since it doen't involve Olbermann at all.

It's clear that Edward R Olbermoronn obviously has a very different standard when it comes to someone with a (D) than someone with an (R).

"I'm politically neutral" - Keith Olbermann

I believe Keith Olbermann's statements about Pat Tillman. While I was in Iraq, I witnessed first hand my fellow officers being shot by the secret service. Their views were different from George Bush and therefore they were executed. It's not a cover up. Everyone knows about it. I can't believe it took you liberals that long to find out. We've known about it for years.

It seems like Keith Olbermann has an obesession with Fox News and with conservatives in general.

It seems like Keith Olbermann has an obesession with Fox News and with conservatives in general.

Krazy Keith claims his neutrality
But needs a check on reality
His moonbat spew
With no opposing view
Countdown's the home of banality

Olbermutt criticizing Fox for being too opined is like Bill Clinton criticizing men who commit adultery.............VERY HYPOCRITICAL. Bu than again,what do you expect from a psycho far left, biased "news" reporter that is desperate for ratings.

A couple of doofus righties here yesterday were crowing about Gordon Brown's stock diplo-speak regarding Britain's relationship with the US. Here's what your fetish/president had to say in that conversation re: Brown:

"He's a Scotsman, you know, not the dour Scotsman that you described him as or the awkward Scotsman; he's actually the humorous Scotsman."

President "Rainman" thinks kilts are funny.

Doofus Righties?

I think they actually posted quotes from the new Prime Minister. How does that make them doofuses?

Only in your twisted little world, SLOB, are people who cite actual quotes doofuses. Run along little man. This blog is out of your league. Go to DailyKOs where the median IQ is in the high teens.

"President "Rainman" thinks kilts are funny."

What more would you expect from the leader of the New Roman Empire? Now, if the Scots can just keep W's lot on their side of Hadrian's Wall....

I think they actually posted quotes from the new Prime Minister. How does that make them doofuses?

No, that isn't what makes them doofuses. I don't know what "makes" them doofuses - I wish I did so I could help stop it. But their irrational fetishes in regard to blatantly venal and stupid leaders REVEALS them as doofuses.

btw, I'm still trying to parse the claim that Olby made a self-referential phallus comment last night. I note the Oddball piece about the hot-air balloon shaped like a condom with a light double entendre, but little else, certainly nothing worth alerting the FCC about.

As likely as it is I missed the controversial claim, I suspect that it's equally likely that some folks here have a heightened interest in Olby's genitalia. Sick!

Where else in the broadcast should I be looking or has there been a collective reading-between-the-lines over the Oddball segment?

The company I work for handles the mechanicals and electrics for several class A high-rise buildings that are currently undergoing upgrades from 70's technology to new and more efficient. After some consideration we gave contracts to GE competitors based solely on GE permitting MSNBC and Countdown in particular to be so irresponsible. The contracts were many and were in total worth more than 20 times Mr. Olbermanns new contract. We also informed GE that this was the reson even though they were competitive with the other companies in terms of cost and delivery. GE was non too pleased to put it mildly. I can only guess what cumulative effect this may have over time.

Wow Denizen! You work for a company that handles the "mechanicals" and "electrics" to "more efficient".

I think your company would save more money if they'd quit hiring cavemen to post false information, son...

What's the alternative to the current crop of Republicans? A bunch of creepy, hateful, lying bastard Democrats. Codas can't stand it , because it's the truth.

Rat I am not your son. Furthermore you obviously have no concept that a high-rise is like a self contained city. All the equipment that serves to run a building of that type is either mechanical i.e pumps, motors etc. or electrical or a combination of both such as elevator motors. Most of these pieces of vital equipment are being replaced after many years. We even went to Phillips to replace fifty thousand ballast resistors in one building instead of GE. So "son" because it is bad news I guess your only option is the usual weak attempt at discrediting due to your lack of knowledge in terminology you don't seem to grasp.

It is really amazing how anyone who dies is an Olbyloon, what a impressive leftist I hate america spewing dickbag olberman really is

We even went to Phillips to replace fifty thousand ballast resistors in one building instead of GE. So "son" because it is bad news I guess your only option is the usual weak attempt at discrediting due to your lack of knowledge in terminology you don't seem to grasp.

Posted by: William at July 31, 2007 12:42 PM

Hey, blindrat; I think this guy must be a freind of "Laura Bush's". They both have very important and highly complicamated jobs.

People who constantly call other people "creepy, hateful, lying, bastards"....are generally creepy, hateful, lying bastards themselves.

Will,

Wow, son...so testy...

I've got a pretty good idea what goes on in buildings of that sort having worked as a facilities engineer for a software firm. Funny how mechanical engineers didn't refer to things like compressors and cooling towers as "mechanicals" and capacitors and relay stations as "electrics"...

Two questions every child wants answered. Why is the sky blue and why is Keith Olbermann such a slimeball?

blindrats fixation on 'son' and 'boy' are indicators of sexual fixation. Scary stuff.

Rat you assumed I was an engineer. First mistake. I handle the decisions on purchasing. I know what a roof top cooling tower is and what all the systems are in relation to a building but I don't get my hands dirty.

Will,

What you mean is that you don't really know what you are doing, son. No purchaser ever made a decision based upon politics or sponsorship when I was in the business...

Of course, back then, America was more successful in business than it is today. Wonder why...

Will,
Don't waste your time. Blindrat is merely diverting the conversation from its point. That point being GE lost business because they don't enforce any journalistic standards for their news operations. Don't fall into his trap. Just smile and nod with his "sons" and "childs" iike you would with someone that you are trying to make go away.

Uh oh. I typed "iike" instead of "like." I am guessing where the next line of stupidity will come from the likes of blindrat next...I would guess pointing out my typo with plenty of condescension from the rat.

Rat then you never were involved in the decision making process and your lack of truth fullness in your statement that business was better back in your day shows you have zero understanding of the business world today. Business was better :back then" Are you delusional? That is a question not a rude response.

Will,

I did specify vendors, son. The people with the technical knowledge should be the ones who do so. If you think that you can do a better job than someone who knows what they are doing, you are textbook delusional, child...

I suppose you rely on vendors to tell you whether or not their products are the best. Then, you check their politics. If you don't like their politics, you go for second best, eh?

A load of crap, certainly...

Listen "son" you swung a wrench right? what gives you the arrogance to think you know how internal decisions were madewhere I work? Yeah, we got nothing but shit parts for political reasons. We just dont do business with GE anymore. Their decision to back such low earners as MSNBC with low performers like Matthews and Olbermann is a serious business problem with GE. Their stock has been stagnant. We go with performers who stay out of garbage like that which iw more of a distraction than a diversification. Plus thier quality is questionable. Since Welch left a great deal about the company has become questionable.

Engineers don't "swing wrenches", child. We have an intensive four-year degree, after which we work with plumbers, mechanics, draftsmen and idiots like you, who think that they can do their job without input...

And, if you blame GE's stock prices on advertising choices, you must be in some kind of special program that allows the metally challeged the chance to screw up white-collar work.

blindrat certainly is an arrogant little prick, isn't he?

It's obvious Rat you never took business courses. And the stock of GE is closely tied to the fact that NBC is a ratings disaster and and parent corporations always suffer. Oh and by the way I am a retired Fire Officer who went to night school who used to follow you engineers around a building. Some were fairly bright, some.

will, did you know that you were "metally challeged?" That must be rough......

Will,

Why pretend that you know what you are talking about, son? GE's stock has been giving dividends consistently. It has risen in value about twenty percent from a year ago...

Next time, check your facts, child...

The FBI calls its spyware a
Computer and Internet Protocol Address Verifier, or CIPAV.

Blindrat check the fifteen yr. trend, it is way DOWN.

Laura: "you are fucking stupid":

Yeah, yeah, yeah Laura. Everybody is so "fucking stupid" but you!
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"I have always been considered the best engineer everywhere I work"

The world according to Laura! This is the sign of overblown egos everywhere. I've seen them come and go....I've even fired them.
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"because I get along exceptionally well with people"

Yeah, you've demonstrated that fine quality very convincingly on this board.
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When are you going to figure out nobody gives a damn what you do for a living.

Most of us are doing far better than you, and that makes your constant bloviating more hillarious than anything else.

Goodbye for now, braggart...I have a "high level" meeting I need to attend!

I work at GE,,,,2 reasons the stock is lackluster at this point
1,,,,GE Medical....they missed their top line by 100 million dollars last quarter...this quarter is as problematic
2.....GE Capital...bleeding cash due to consumer credit problems and really poor service

in addition....NBC is certainly a problem for GE as the switchboards are lit up after virtually every broadcast..or so I am told...
In a nutshell...I'd venture to say its a tough year ahead

Don't listen to the cowards. We can and are winning this war in Iraq. Time takes time. Everything the Democrats need to exist is wrapped up in losing in Iraq. Everything.

I wonder if olby, who was soooooo happy that Murdoch wasn't getting The Wall Street Journal, will be in the bathtub tonight:

News Corp. Appears to Have
Enough Votes to Clinch Deal

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB118589043953483378.html?mod=home_whats_news_us

Murdoch gains the WSJ. Measurable success in Iraq. These are awful days for Olby and his ilk. HA!

Looks like it could be a "tipping point" DING! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I refuse to go to Iraq.

"People who constantly call other people "creepy, hateful, lying, bastards"....are generally creepy, hateful, lying bastards themselves."

END QUOTE

People who call people idiot, moron, ignorant, liar...........are generally idiotic, moronic and a lying bastard themselves

Touche, as the olbyloons like to say.....eat those words, lil mikey.

A neocon just said "time takes time".

How profound!

The same neocon just said: "don't listen to the cowards".

Now just how brave is it for someone who isn't fighting in Iraq themselves to call someone else who isn't fighting in Iraq either a 'coward'?

You wanna explain that one? Because that sounds evey bit as convoluted as the rest of your Imperical worldview or philosophy.

Jeff, you keep referencing what I have called YOU as if I were calling others those things too.

You just don't get it do you?....YOU really ARE a ignorant lying moron.

Get if Jeff...YOU....just YOU....NOT "everyone else" on your side.....just YOU! You prove it anew every day with every new post you make.

Lying moron!

Ringo Starr 1992 releases solo album " Time Takes Time". Mike, he used to a "Beatle". Sorry you didn't get it.

...used to be a "Beatle"......**

Anyone who would like to see victory in Iraq is a "neocon". Ok, I'll take that as long as it's stipulated that anyone who abhors the idea of victory in Iraq can be called a "Mike". OK?

Mike, get some help, soon! 4:09 is right. How's that egg on your face? Hope is was a rotten one.

Hey, remember that old Kenny Rogers song entitled: "Mike of the County"? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Why hasn't the troop death lover, patsy/why/anon posted this?

U.S. Death Toll in Iraq Lowest in 8 Months

BAGHDAD (AP) - The U.S. military said Tuesday that a Marine was killed in fighting west of the capital, pushing the American death toll for July to at least 73, the lowest in eight months.
An Apache helicopter also went down Tuesday after coming under fire in a predominantly Shiite area in eastern Baghdad, but both crew members were safely evacuated, the military said.

President Bush's nominee to head the Joint Chiefs of Staff, meanwhile, acknowledged that slow progress in Iraq is hurting America's credibility and emboldening Iran's regional ambitions.

While steady progress has been made on the military front, Iraq's political factions have made only limited headway in achieving reconciliation, said Navy Adm. Michael Mullen, who has been nominated to replace U.S. Gen. Peter Pace as the nation's top military officer.

The nay-sayers are DEMORALIZED, BIG TIME!

Me thinks General Petreus is on to something.

Mike good lord man go see your supposed family go live life, get off the board here

5:41 chickenposter: "Mike good lord man go see your supposed family go live life, get off the board here."

Go f**k yourself!

Gleason: "Hey remember that old Kenny Rogers song entitled: "Mike of the county? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA"

I guess that it's best that you 'laugh' at your own stupid 'jokes', because no one else is going to.

Mike says:

Go f**k yourself!

Here's his hero Olbermann in an e-mail to a heckler last year:

Go f**k your mother.

Mike is a good stooge.

Mike is deeply tormented, living in darkness, with Olbermann as his personal butt boy...

Mike who professes to be a deep intellectual thinker, the best you have is go f myself....wow....

Chickenposter, ha, what makes me a chicken?

Your on these boards all freaking day and night, get a freaking life, we hate olbermann here, Im no chicken I want these people to know what a lewser you are

>Murdoch gains the WSJ. Measurable success in Iraq. These are awful days for Olby and his ilk. HA!

Posted by: Gleason at July 31, 2007 3:50 PM

Only someone who is obsessed with Olbermann would think consolidating media outlets into the hands of the few is a good thing.

Measurable success in Iraq?

Plan the vacation now! I hear the US-friendly resorts are just about done.

I can't believe he didn't have anything about Harry Potter last night.By the way what is his obsession with Harry Potter and J.K.Rowlings you would think that he would be jealous of someone with a successful book.

Chickenposter 6:39 & 6:42: Mike who professes to be a deep intellectual thinker, the best you have is go f myself....wow..."

You get back what you give! Why would I waste any effort on YOU???

Where did I ever profess to be a "deep intellectual thinker"?....That would only apply if compared to you!

"I want these people to know what a lewser you are": Yes sir Einstein...you tell em what a "lewser" I am!

Your on these boards all freakin day and night,": How would you know that without being on them yourself, "lewser"?

ROFLMAO!

An interesting tidbit from NB about one Harry Potter character:

"NYT Columnist: Laura Bush Like Deranged '24' First Lady & Evil Harry Potter Character
By Mark Finkelstein | July 31, 2007 - 16:05 ET

Bush hatred has taken on a new, virulent mutation: animus towards First Lady Laura Bush. Witness today's New York Times column by Judith Warner, ‘24’ as Reality Show [subscripton required].

Warner's jumping off point is Kiefer Sutherland's response to a question about the advent in this coming season's "24" of a woman president. Observed the actor who plays Jack Bauer: “I can tell you one thing. We had the first African-American president on television, and now Barack Obama is a serious candidate. That wasn’t going to happen eight years ago. Television is an incredibly powerful medium, and it can be the first step in showing people what is possible.”

That prompted Warner to write:

I giggled a bit nastily over this at first. What was next — claims that fingering China as a one-nation axis of evil on “24” had presaged the country’s exposure this spring as the source of all perishables tainted and fatal? That screen first lady Martha Logan’s descent into minimadness anticipated Laura Bush’s increasingly beleaguered late-term demeanor? (Has anyone but me noticed her astounding resemblance to Dolores Umbridge in “Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix”?) "

I don't know why things like this in the so called Newspaper of Record can still surprise me, but it does.

Grammie

WASHINGTON - Democrat John Edwards said the Bush administration's plan to sell $20 billion worth of weapons to friendly Arab states amounted to a foreign policy of convenience and he will take a tougher stance with Saudi Arabia if elected president.

http://www.thelawparty.org/FranklinCoverup/franklin.htm

Update 3/26/2005

Bush Jr. continues in has father's Homosexual footsteps, by having callboys visiting the Whitehouse. Again the press plays the whole thing down.

You can read a great article about it here. Photographer for White House child sex ring arrested after Thompson suicide

From the article above:
"Cable television news reports have recently linked an alleged male prostitute to the present White House since George W. Bush permitted James Guckert to use an unprecedented Secret Service-approved alias (Jeff Gannon) while having access to the White House for two years as a pool reporter serving the younger Bush--before which Gannon had advertised himself on internet pornography sites as a male "escort" charging $200 an hour. [Gannon is the subject of independent news reports which have referred to him as the former kidnapped Des Moines, Iowa paperboy Johnny Gosch--forced into child sex-slavery.] John DeCamp told this writer "I believe Johnny Gosch and Jeff Gannon are one and the same person--but I am not in a position to know positively." "

"George W. Bush has not explained how Guckert/Gannon--who had advertised himself as a male escort--could apparently operate in the White House as a reporter for two years using a Secret Service-approved alias and regularly be called upon by George W. Bush and press secretary Scott McClellan during nationally televised presidential press conferences."

More Scans from the Washington Times circa 1989 added below. Showing how the GOP and Democrat Barney Franks were involved in the franklin coverup.

July 31,2007 | BAGHDAD -- Iraq's Kurdish president was fighting Tuesday to save the Shiite-dominated government from possible collapse, wheedling key Sunni Arab politicians to set aside threats to quit the Cabinet and counseling the prime minister to "seriously consider" their demands.

Look WE kick ass and take names...however the Iraqis do not...so lets say we get terrorists out of iraq, whatever that means. When we leave, what stops them from coming back? A 12 foot fence?

Decade of the Liberal said to be bad news for kids. 94% of all pedophilia is commited by Liberals. Developing.......

The 9:51 poster is the sorriest type of scum.

Clucker is more than happy to suck the cock of the 7:29 poster. They can dish it out, but.....HA!!!

The New York International Association of Firefighters is always for the Democrats. Before and After 9/11. They are a political tool. It would be shocking if they were FOR Guilianni! Grow up and smell the LibStink.

Sorry, but to say that the answers lie with the Democrats would be akin to saying:
" The patient is ill, so we will treat him with the only other medicine on hand,gasoline. "
Maybe the odds are better that the patient will heal on his own. Enjoy.

h/t: http://www.soldiersperspective.us/2007/07/31/democrat-walks-out-on-iraq-good-news/#comments

Democrat Walks Out on Iraq Good News
July 31st, 2007 by Cpl M

I received the following from a contact working for a Congressman. The story is all over the place now, but I still got a good chuckle from it. All I could think of was someone holding their hands over their ears while screaming, "La la la la la! I can't hear you!"

I won't "c & p"; if interested, go look it up.

You are free to e-mail Corporal M at A Soldier's Perspective (ASP). I merely posted his comment, not mine.

IRAQ WAR PUSHBACK: 10,000+ To Take to Streets
Supporting Missions of Troops in Iraq

From White Rose- ASP.

This site is administered by active duty military with links to other military blogs, some of them soldiers, some military family members.

This isn't about "upping" anyone. I can't imagine how the soldiers are coping and the ones who are disillusioned still have my respect. Does Cpl. M. have yours?

I can't imagine how the soldiers are coping and the ones who are disillusioned still have my respect. Does Cpl. M. have yours?
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Thank you for posing that question, Sharon. Lord knows, I disagree with you on many issues, but I am in total agreement with you on this. And, even when (I think)you're wrong on a substantive issue, you are a class act.

I watched the youtube video. It was eerie rather than drumming up feelings of rage. Just my opinion. I assume you did me the same courtesy and looked at ASP? There is a link to "They Have Names." CJ Grisham, who used to administer the site, has taken a break from that job for the time being. He established "They Have Names" to honor every soldier KIA in Afghanistan and Iraq with their personal stories and photos. It is a large undertaking, but he has already posted several and has enlisted additional help.

I meant CJ has taken a break from ASP, not They Have Names.

You say you respect them but how is asking if Cpl. M. has the answers to the Tillman tragedy show respect? It is obvious that he doesn;t have your feelings about the war so he and other like-minded soldiers (however many there are) have no heart or soul?

>"This is the type of information that when Grammie, Cee and Cecelia read it, they glaze over and turn away"

Well, then I'm sure you want to run right on over to GrammieWatch, CeeWatch and CeciliaWatch and post there about this immediately.

Posted by: hank at July 31, 2007 5:55 PM

So, let me get this straight 'hank'....

According to your 'rationale' or lack thereof-

Grammie, Cee, and Cecelia can come here and criticize Olbermann, and, along with him, criticize MSNBC, Democrats, Liberals, Independents, Critics of Bush (on both sides), Critics of the Iraq War (on both sides), as well as other posters here who get criticized for just not using a name...

Yet, they themselves are beyond such criticism, because this isn't the proper 'venue'?

You can't be serious, but I know you are...

Is this Mikewatch?

Is this SLOBwatch?

Is this AAPWatch?

So, for the record, let everyone know that 'hank' envisions OlbermannWatch as a place where lock-stepping, kool-aid drinking NeoCons can criticize anything they feel is 'left' of themselves, but that they themselves should be above such criticism.

And Furthermore, if anyone touches on a political topic that you are afraid to debate, even if it's a topic actually discussed on Countdown, you cry 'This is OlbermannWatch' in a thinly veiled diversionary tactic.

So, basically, you WANT what KO has...

A venue where he / you can voice your opinions on the topic of your choice without debate...

I always guessed your bitter obsession with Keith Olbermann was borne out of Jealousy.

Now I know!

Cheers!

Clucker,

I appreciate your compliment. I would like to say to you that I find no humor, honor, decency (maybe you can help out with the list here) of your continual degrading treatment of RK, Grammie and Cecelia. None of them require my defense; they know how to play in the Big Leagues. Aren't you better than that?

And WDYCWMNI (I am actually not sure at this point if it was you or Bob I should address because I can't remember), the personal story you felt you had to relate about you and your wife leaving the Catholic Church doubtfully had its desired effect. I don't understand why a number of people don't just leave, until they are willing to bear the cross associated with being Catholic. That means humble obedience to teachings that society rejects. It is far easier (in this life) to be you and your wife than it is to be me. (2 Timothy 4:2- preach the word in season and out of season). One of the ways to identify the true church is that it will be persecuted. My Brother and Sister Koreans are in the hands of the Taliban with two dead already; Christians being used as pawns.

My Brother and Sister Koreans are in the hands of the Taliban with two dead already; Christians being used as pawns.

Posted by: Sharon at August 1, 2007 1:17 AM

And not a mention of this from the left, not one peep.

So, basically, you WANT what KO has...

A venue where he / you can voice your opinions on the topic of your choice without debate...

Posted by:patsy at August 1, 2007 1:13 AM

"If you don't like it, change the channel," to quote a certain olbyloon.

I think Bush actually wants to bring the troops home as much as anyone, he just doesn't want to do it himself.

No one know FOR SURE what will happen in Iraq when US Forces pull out. There are many 'theories' by supposed 'experts.'

But what Bush DOES know is that HE doesn't want to be held responsible for whatever does happen, even though he would be responsible for making the mess in the first place.

No, this brave Commander in Chief wants the NEXT PRESIDENT to clean up the little mess he made in Iraq, thereby 'assuming' responsibility for the outcome.

I know, I know, like 'shifting blame' would be some new strategy for this administration. Typical NeoCon: Find out what DOESN'T work and stick with it!

And that's the Party of Personal Responsibility!

"If you don't like it, change the channel," to quote a certain olbyloon.

Posted by: royalking at August 1, 2007 1:26 AM

EXACTLY! Do you actually take advice royalqueen, or do you just re-spew it?

I actually like it here. I've found no other venue with as many people so deserving of criticism than here.

Change the channel? No Way!

BTW-I'm not the one complaining...

It's you guys complaining (to no avail)about both what goes on here AND what goes on at MSNBC.

You just can't win can you?

Cheers!

Tell me about persecution.
You don't know squat !

Posted by: at August 1, 2007 1:28 AM

Aren't you gonna tell us how they had it shoved down their throat like you did before, psycho?

"No, this brave Commander in Chief wants the NEXT PRESIDENT to clean up the little mess he made in Iraq, thereby 'assuming' responsibility for the outcome." posted by an olbyloon

Was it ok for BJ Clinton to do it? Must have been. My mistake.

Anon,

You are an idiot if you don't know that anyone involved in the abuse of children violates God's law. At this point, society doesn't accept the abuse although the ACLU seems that NAMBLA is okey-dokey!

Anon supports the troops, the ones that agree with him. I would say to any soldier, "Thank you. What you have done, for whatever reason, means something. Your sacrifice is not worthless, even if you don't want to be where you are. You have done someone good by protecting your comrades, helping Iraqis (some of whom probably don't appreciate it), keeping your end of the bargain at a tremendous cost to you and your loved ones. I hope this all ends soon and safely for you."

But what Bush DOES know is that HE doesn't want to be held responsible for whatever does happen, even though he would be responsible for making the mess in the first place. (Anon)

He won't be held responsible for what happens? I think he will. As a matter of fact, it will be easier for the next president to blame any result of his/her own decisions on Bush. That will be a blank check for years.

RK,

I also noticed there was no peep about Boyda (D) having to leave the room because she was hearing good news about Iraq. (compliments of ASP).

""No, this brave Commander in Chief wants the NEXT PRESIDENT to clean up the little mess he made in Iraq, therebye 'assuming' responsibility for the outcome."Posted by an Olbyloon."

Clinton didn't leave a mess in Iraq. On the contrary, his policy of containment had worked pretty well. It should have been continued.

Damn Jeff....how is it even possible for a human being to be as astonishingly stupid as you are?

You are an idiot if you don't know that anyone involved in the abuse of children violates God's law. At this point, society doesn't accept the abuse although the ACLU seems that NAMBLA is okey-dokey!

Posted by: Sharon at August 1, 2007 1:37 AM

Mrs. Philby is not going to be happy with you, Sharon. Shame on you!

To those speculating on the death of true hero Cpl. Tillman here is a theory just as plausible as any the nut roots have thrown out in cyberspace. Cpl. Tillman found evidence that OBL had been blackmailing a former president with compromising photos of that president and an intern. A senator who was close to that former president and has aspirations to be the next president knew of these developments and had him whacked. The do not kill OBL orders were given due to the blackmailing and it had been thought that Sandy Berger's destruction of the written orders was the end of that problem. You can see how embarrassing this would be, and this theory has exactly as much validity as all the nut roots theories that the current administration had Cpl. Tillman killed.
Let's honor him and his service by recognizing a tragic accident and clumsy handling of it, and not any wacky theories.

Tonight at 10 on the MSNBC DOC BLOCK

11:03 chickenblogger: You dislike my politics, so your cowardly but ridiculous response is call me a pervert?

It's both pathetic and funny at the same time.

William,

Yo've done it this time, buster. I'm doing a Special Komment on you for that post at 10:20 am. It's not nice to ridicule my friends at Daily Kos as you are about to find out!

"I appreciate your compliment. I would like to say to you that I find no humor, honor, decency (maybe you can help out with the list here) of your continual degrading treatment of RK, Grammie and Cecelia. None of them require my defense; they know how to play in the Big Leagues. Aren't you better than that?"

"Big Leagues", Sharon? Posting on OW constitutes the "Big Leagues"?

In the "Big Leagues" one is expected to step up and put out. This is just a outlet for running off at the mouth.

My Brother and Sister Koreans are in the hands of the Taliban with two dead already; Christians being used as pawns.

Posted by: Sharon at August 1, 2007 1:17 AM

And not a mention of this from the left, not one peep.

Posted by: royalking at August 1, 2007 1:20 AM

Here's a peep; Bush could have wiped out the Taliban in 2002 - but he dropped that ball (because to a neocon "victory" means an end to billing) and took us to Iraq and started another profitable pile of shit that's killed almost 4000 of Sharon's "brothers and sisters".

Ask these drowning rats why there is still a Taliban to worry about.

...and took us to Iraq and started another profitable pile of shit that's killed almost 4000 of Sharon's "brothers and sisters".

...not to mention up to a million people that she apparently doesn't consider herself to be related to at all.

In the "Big Leagues" one is expected to step up and put out. This is just a outlet for running off at the mouth.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at August 1, 2007 1:42 PM

Good, we look foreward to your next "running off at the mouth."

Good, we look foreward to your next "running off at the mouth."

Posted by: royalking at August 1, 2007 2:03 PM

Why does this moron always repeat explicit statements like this one as if he has scored some kind of point?

Of course I'm just "running off at the mouth" - your minds can;t be changed.

....and not "one peep" from rk in response to why we've apparently been defeated by the Taliban.

Sir Loin of Beef
maybe you could be defeated by a mouse fart but do not speak for anyone else. Show some empirical evidence as to how the rest of us have been defeated by the Taliban, and preface that with the definition of 'defeat" please.

Only cowards and quitters feel we are "defeated" slob. The war is far from over and it is not "lost" as your hero Dinjee Harry likes to say. Oh, that's right, he back pedaled on that one. Keep on chirpin.'

Why does this moron always repeat explicit statements like this one as if he has scored some kind of point?

Of course I'm just "running off at the mouth" - your minds can;t be changed.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at August 1, 2007 2:09 PM

Explanation of the obvious: I am using your own words against you as I do with others. It's so easy, it's sad. You sp's shoot your mouths off and have no idea what you are even trying to say. Far left talking points blended with your own asinine opinions are sliced and diced with ease.

You are an idiot if you don't know that anyone involved in the abuse of children violates God's law. At this point, society doesn't accept the abuse although the ACLU seems that NAMBLA is okey-dokey!

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As I am sure you realized, Sharon, you have over-simplified the ACLU position. The ACLU takes an absolutist approach to any and all free speech issues. In this regard, the ACLU is much like the NRA and its approach to the Second Amendment. I tend to think that the ACLU has a stronger argument. The First Amendment, as written, is a non-conditioned right, while the Second Amendment has that persky little condition precedent to it regarding the militias that all the RW'ers skip right over. However, in the US and in every other relatively free society, no rights are absolute. With reference to the First Amendment, we have long had the "cry out fire in a crowded theatre" exception and the speech v. action distinction. There are other exceptions as well.

As I have grappled with the ACLU position on NAMBLA, I have realized that there is a divsion within the Union between those who think NAMBLA speech is, like most speech, absolutely protected, but action on a NAMBLA precept, i.e. some sort of sexual relationship between a male minor and a male adult, is unprotected and illegal, and those who see NAMBLA literature being more in the nature of the fire in the theatre type of speech. I have come down rather strongly on the latter, due to the age issue. The speech itself seems to pose an inherent danger. As such, I have been unhappy with the Union's position.

Having said that, I am a vigorous believer in free speech. We have something of a history in the US of trying to ban politically unpopular speech. The Alien & Sedition Act is a prime example, some of the laws considered during the McCarty era are also important examples. The ACLU acted effectively and well in these instances to preserve American values and rights.

It is rather clear, is it not, that popular speech needs no protection? Unpopular speech does. That is really what the ACLU is all about: protecting speech which, at the moment, is unpopular. Without such protection, we really have no democracy, do we? We need go back no further than Vietnam to know that what was seen as offensive speech in 1965 became mainstream speech in 1970.

I was a young ACLU member at the time of the Skokie march. And the last thing any member wanted to do was to protect neo-Nazis. The membership, after all, is disproprtionately Jewish and almost exclusively liberal. The representation of the neo-Nazis was important, and the Republic seems to have survived very well, indeed. Nothing difuses a nut quicker than letting him act nutty.

I don't support the NAMBLA position the Union has taken, and I am working to change it. But, on balance, I am very pleased that we have a vigilant and aggressive watch dog like the ACLU to protect speech.

Don't for a moment assume, however, tnat anyone in the ACLU condones the conduct of the sort NAMBLA proposes. It is simply that battle a sold as the Republic itself, to protect speech.

I, of course, realize you were not implying that the ACLU was condoning conduct of this sort. In fact, you even couched your statement of disgust in terms of God's law. This is more directed to your First Responder, which, of course, will sail right over his head.

There is no doubt about the sinful nature of the activity, of course.

Sir Loin of Beef
maybe you could be defeated by a mouse fart but do not speak for anyone else. Show some empirical evidence as to how the rest of us have been defeated by the Taliban, and preface that with the definition of 'defeat" please.

Posted by: William at August 1, 2007 2:24 PM

I used "defeat" as a rhetorical device to piss you off. However: when you are history's mightiest superpower and cannot beat a clutch of radical seminarians when you have them cornered in a mountain valley, you sure as hell cannot call that "victory".

...unless of course you look at it from the perspective of Northrup -Grummon's profit centers, or Hallibirton's last quarterly report - that was a 119% victory!

Our soldiers canot be beaten by the Taliban, but the White House sure as hell dropped the ball.

Only cowards and quitters feel we are "defeated" slob. The war is far from over and it is not "lost" as your hero Dinjee Harry likes to say. Oh, that's right, he back pedaled on that one. Keep on chirpin.'

Posted by: royalking at August 1, 2007 2:26 PM

Hey rk,

Why is there still a Taliban to worry about?

Why is there still a Taliban to worry about?

Why are you worried about the Taliban. Every time thy try an offensive they get slaughtered by the bushell. The only ones who need to worry about them are innocents like civillians and christian aid workers.

>Was it ok for BJ Clinton to do it? Must have been. My mistake.

Posted by: royaldouche at August 1, 2007 1:37 AM

Clinton left Bush a mess in Iraq?

I knew he left a mess on someone's dress, but I didn't know he left a mess in Iraq.

Anyone reading the threads from the last two weeks will plainly see whenever the president is criticized, all royaldouche can do is blame Clinton.

What if the person criticizing Bush is not a democrat, liberal, or a Clinton fan?

Then what RD? How then do you refute the original argument?

Don't you listen to O'Reilly?

You don't justify bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.

Your mom must have had a helluva time raising you.

You know how I know? She never finished the job...

>He won't be held responsible for what happens? I think he will. As a matter of fact, it will be easier for the next president to blame any result of his/her own decisions on Bush. That will be a blank check for years.

Posted by: Sharon at August 1, 2007 1:52 AM

There's a BIG difference between taking heat for something while in office and taking heat for something while out of office.

You don't happen to be blaming Bush for ANYTHING.

Not now, and apparently not ever...

How do you reconcile your sympathy for the troops and support for the blundering mistakes that put them in the situation in the first place?

Apparently some people can will themselves into believing just about anything.

Is Bush for responsible for the mess in Iraq?

Yes or No?

Now or Ever?

Clinton left Bush a mess in Iraq?

I knew he left a mess on [someone's]sic dress, but I didn't know he left a mess in Iraq.

posted by: someone who is not very proud

Sandy Burgler wasn't stealing love notes from the archives. He stole top secret info regarding the lead up to 9/11. I'm sure you have your blinders on in this matter and have wiped it from your memory. Maybe you will even claim that he apologised for it so it's no big deal, like other loons have done before.

We need to send this two trick pony to the glue factory. The audience is growing weary of the mythological Welcome Home Parties and "Sandy Burgler". My advise, my dear gelding, is to learn how add with your hoofs lest you be consigned to a plastic bottle with a picture of a bull on the side.

Truth hurts, don't it, mrs. philby? No rebuttal, just childish remarks or lack thereof.

Dear Monsieur Royale:

Thank you for your valuable input.

Faithfully,
Clucker

Whichever anon posted at 4:11 p.m.

You don't happen to be blaming Bush for ANYTHING.

-Check the archives.

How do you reconcile your sympathy for the troops and support for the blundering mistakes that put them in the situation in the first place?

- The soldiers I have communicated with seem to accept my support. According to you, I should not express sympathy?

I think the point the 4:11 poster is making is that if you support the troops, then you would not support the Administration (which put and keeps the troops in harm's way). It is a confusing post, and you can't really make a logical construct from it. I think it is the converse of the Limbaugh, et al argument that you cannot support the troops if you oppose the war.

Emotionally, the underlying concept of the poster has some appeal to me, and the underlying concept of the Limbaugh argument repulses me. But I can't say that either passes an analytical smell test.

It is all really very interesting, and the post, while a bit clumsy and irrational, is provocative. I thank the author.

Clucker,

It is an old argument that I understood. That is why I started contacting soldiers by e-mail. I wanted to hear from them. I e-mailed a marine about supposed negativity after someone here provided a news story about a disillusioned soldier (with an added insult to me at the end). This was his response "I'm pretty sure that for everyone soldier who says, 'I don't support the war anymore,' you can find 10 more who do. Don't worry about the idiots."

I don't have any polling data but the milbloggers are certainly not in agreement.

And, I suspect military support remains high, although I have seen some data to indicate it has eroded substantially. I think the most recent number I saw was 6/10 in support. But, that is a difficult measurement.

The post was helpful to me, however, because it gave me some added understanding of the Limbaugh argument. I had always attacked the argument as irrational, which it is, but without understanding the emotional component. While I don't think Limbaugh is emotional about anything but himself, I know others of this frame of mind who do feel deeply about this. I realize this may not seem to be new ground to you, but I am so involved in data analysis, so analytical in by approach to even the simplest of problems (which irritates my wife to no end), that I am often sorely out-of-touch with the emotional component. So, it was revealing to me.

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cough!... cough!... gnu!

Hey! It's uncle Jethro!

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