Wow, great post! While I'm no feminist myself, I think anyone as snarky and self-rightous as Olby needs to be taken down a few. Maybe a "Worst Person" nomination is in order!

Nice job, Brandon. But, you and I know the predicatable response of the Olbermann nutters-- they either will simply ignore your spot on assessment of Olbermann's vile and hypocritical blather or they will try to turn the convesration away from Olbermann. On Johnny $'s July 7th entry, I posted an extensive critique of Olbermann's repulsive behavior after Clucker had previously raised objections generally to crude language. I challenged him to defend Olbermann against my criticisms in light of his high sounding objections to crude language but of course he simply won't do it. In fact, one of OW's looniest posters, WDYCWMNI answered my challenge with this response:

"We post nothing about what this sorry website is about.
You losers dwell on a man who takes news stories off the news wire and call him biased."

In the end, what it comes down to is that the left wing fringe will nuzzle up to any unhinged carnival barker like Olbermann who tells them what they want to hear irrespespective of his lack of credibility and astonishing absence of any semblance of character.

Of course they will Hank, it's their raison d'etre. You can really see it in that DU thread that was locked that I posted the link to-the idea is that because he says X about Bush, it's okay for him to say Y about anyone else, even if it is anti-homosexual, anti-female, etc. Every single time a LIBERAL writer (and there have been several) points out this pattern of behavior from Olbermann, the writer ends up being attacked, in the case of the young woman from Tom Paine, personal information about her was posted on DU with the instructions to "go get her". The thread was ultimately locked, and the personal information removed, but it took the moderators at DU at least a day to do so.

That's another thing-if you notice, these liberals police themselves and others like it was a facist state. They don't allow alternative opinions. They have a very dangerous group-think that is quite disturbing to watch in action actually. And you can see it in the comments in the items I linked to above repeatedly. They don't want anyone calling anything to anyone's attention that would reflect negatively on Olbermann, even when he has clearly demonstrated a pattern of this type of behavior again and again.

I especially love the idea that's being floated that it's all some sort of Olbywatch plot to discredit him--yet it's Olbermann is the one making these statements!!!! You'd think that someone who reads his own press religiously would get the message he's peeling away his fan base with these kinds of deplorable comments about women, gays, etc. (look at the slams he's taken at Anderson Cooper for example) but nope, according to the Olbyloons, anyone calling attention to this pattern of his, HAS to be a double-agent who wants to peel away Keith's female fan base. Seems to me that Olbermann doesn't need any help there from Olbermannwatch--he's quite capable of doing that all on his own.

Hypocritical doesn't even begin to describe. You can see that on full display in Olbermann's personal life. He makes fun of celebs who date much younger women, and what does he do? Date a much younger woman, then turns around and makes horrible comments about women of a "certain age". I guess in Olby's book if you're over 25, you're washed up and should pretty much kill yourself. The ultimate irony here is that much of Olbermann's most die-hard fans appear to be in that "certain age" category. You have to ask yourself what sort of mental and moral contortions are they doing that enables them to not only not realize that he's a hypocrite but actually go to great lengths to defend him. Olbyloon is certainly an apt monker for these individuals. They are clearly in need of some mental help.

BCoates,

Is there any way to e-mail this website? I tried sending one to olby@olbermannwatch.com and one to olby@olbywatch.com. Both failed.

It is SO interesting to see Brandon describing liberals as 'group' thinkers, when in fact, the opposite is true. The reason 'liberals' and moderates have had so little control over policy or direction as of late is their inherent tendency to be free thinkers with open minds.

For years, we've been helpless passengers while 'group thinking' right wing ideoloques have taken the country on a disastrous ride down the path of self destruction by using the premise of false patriotism as a big stick to try to keep all the doubters quiet and in lock step....but Brandon sees the opposite....interesting!

Brandon:

You just have a warped view about the importance of Mr. Olbermann. Few people know who he is, and most people never watch him. He's not John the Baptist.

By the same token, you over-estimate O'Reilly's importance. Being #1 on a cable "news" network is much like being the prettiest girl on the fat farm. Few people give a damn what he says.

It's not that people don't want to engage you, it is simply that you raised a singularly unimportant issue.

Diversional, I am sure ....

Ah but Mike, take a look at the comments in those threads where the Olbyloons come to the defense of Olbermann. They want to silence anyone who criticizes him, even going so far as to question the liberal credentials and/or threaten the writers of such pieces--at their own liberal websites!

And oh dear Clucker, it only takes a quick visit to the liberal websites where much praise and worship is heaped upon Olbermann to disprove every claim you tried to make in your oh-so-pathetic little post. He is worshiped as a God among Men. Right now there are multiple "thank-you" threads for his latest little Special Education Komment where he called for Bush/Cheney's resignation. They are actually taking up donations to buy him a gift. To try and pretend that Olbermann isn't that important to the liberals is yet another diversionary tactic by yet another Olbyloon, but thanks for playing.

John--I'm not sure why those email addys aren't working. Maybe try again? If you don't have success, post again and I'll give you my email addy.

I went to the first link and read the non story just a vehicle for a personal attack about Kim Cattral. While there I kept reading a bit and found this disgusting piece of trash (Caps Mine):

"Yes, they’re lurking, those people with actual educations and brains. Why didn’t you tell PATRICK to ignore those liberal scientists who tell him NOT USE MOM AND DAD'S PRESCRIPTION DRUGS FOR RECREATION. Here’s some advice for you, Patrick, why don’t you make your own mind up, so you DON"T WIND UP LIKE COMEDIAN RUSH LIMBAUGH."

What was the great crime that this thirteen year old boy committed to become an object of scorn on a so called NEWS show on national TV? Why he called Rush's show to discuss what he had been taught re Global Warming, what source materials were used, that no scientific evidence was ever presented. When asked why he was skeptical of it and was calling about it he said that his parents are kind of skeptical of it.

What else could KO do? This momentous earth shattering two or three minute exchange on talk radio absolutely demanded that 'The Kid' be exposed as a possible drug user and headed to become a loser like comedian Rush Limbaugh.

After all in a "newscast that counts down the day's TOP stories" KO had no choice but to include it. After all it has been a top story in all the newspapers, radio shows, blog sites and TV news.

This is such a small inconsequential non story that it is absurd for anyone to take the time to discuss it. I plead guilty to doing it myself.

If I am guilty, and I am, what level of guilt does the narcissistic KO carry. There is no stepping stone so innocent and obscure that KO won't catapult off it to reassure at least himself that he is a player and runs with the big boys.

I can't think of a better word to describe him than A PUKE.

Grammie

Ah, the jet setting businessman Clucker has finally responded to the critiques about Olbermann's appalling behavior and gross journalistic malpractice. Be assured that jet setter Clucker would be able to produce a defense to the stated criticisms but he can't be bothered because, you see, Olbermann is just not that important so he would like us to just forget the whole thing and let him off the hook. In fact, says Clucker, NOBODY on cable networks is that important so why bother pointing out the foibles of Olbermann OR any of his competitors? Oh, wait a minute, though, . . could it be that Clucker has a double standard for his rule that cable network "news" personalities are just too unimportant to bother commenting on?

"Of course, John [Gibson] lacks the charm, personality and analytical skills of Eddie [Haskell], but still great fun"
Posted by: Clucker at July 7, 2007 11:18 AM

"Billdo's hallucinations of being chased by roving gangs of gun totting LESBIANS!"
Posted by: Clucker at July 7, 2007 3:19 PM

Cluckers disingenous excuse for opting out of commenting on the "unimportant" Olbermann but having plenty to say about his "unimportant" competitiors at FOX shows that he can't get his story straight, a common plight for his fellow traveller, the unhinged and mentally ill Olbermann.

Yeah, same deal Brandon. This was the message I got back:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at postoffice1.ash.iad.zubrcom.net.
I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

it only takes a quick visit to the liberal websites where much praise and worship is heaped upon Olbermann to disprove every claim you tried to make in your oh-so-pathetic little post.
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My Dear Mr. Brandon:

You make a classic RW mistake assuming that all Liberals think just alike. That is most assuredly not the case. I suspect that I tend to agree with the unfortunate Ms. Hawkins far more often than I do with Mike, fo example. I know you RW'ers think in lock step and march in goose step. Goodness, there is not a chicken gizzard's worth of philosophical difference between yourself and He of Many Names. However, it is the nature of the Liberal mind that there are no philosophical dogmatics. I realize that you will disagree with me on this point, and that pleases me. If you can't understand the Liberal mind you are destined to be minded by Liberals. That's best for us, for them and for you.

An interesting consequence of your lock-step/goose-step circumstance will be the fall-out from one of the leading RW dogmatist's epistle today. I certainly hope you have read Byron York's op-ed today (Bush is a true lame duck, now.), so you will know what you will be thinking (and saying) next week,

"An interesting consequence of your lock-step/goose-step circumstance will be the fall-out from one of the leading RW dogmatist's epistle today. I certainly hope you have read Byron York's op-ed today "

He points to a piece discussing the disagreements among Republicans with Bush (and each other - e.g., immigration) while criticizing the "lock-step/goose-step" mindset on the Right.

Somewhere, on some other planet, that is logically coherent.

Here, on Earth, it's called a non-sequitur.

"My Dear Mr. Brandon:
You make a classic RW mistake assuming that all Liberals think just alike."

More intentional obfuscation by the jet setting business man Clucker because he doesn't want to try to rebut the actual point that Brandon made.

Brandon's point was to shoot down Clucker's thesis that Olbermann was unimportant to the liberals. Brandon then proceeded to show that the liberal websites genuflect to Olbermann, protecting him, heaping worship and praise to the point of taking up donations for gifts and heaping scorn on anyone who dares to say anything negative about Olbermann and even including one case where personal information about a young woman critic of Olbermann's was posted on DU with the instructions to "go get her". Brandon never said that liberals generally think about all issues in lockstep, just that the liberals at far left sites like DU tend to think alike.

Quit dancing around, Clucker. If you came here to OW in the first place, you obviously don't have neutral feelings anout Olbermann. You freely criticize two anonymous posters on OW who used the words "fag hags":

"fag hags
The language is dreadful and revolting"
Posted by: Clucker at July 7, 2007 3:51 PM

Yet, when I call you out to apply the same standard to Olbermann and give me your opinion of his conduct, suddenly you go mute because he is allegedly too "unimportant". So the much less reprehensible acts of the much less important anonymous posters are worthy of comment but the highly visible Olbermann who is seen by thousands of viewers each week is too "unimportant " to comment on? If you have enough integrity, go ahead and take a shot at commenting about my previously expressed conduct of Olbermann:

"Clucker, successful jet setting business man that he is, seems unable to discern that the subject of discussion on this site is perhaps guiltiest of such offenses.

Unless of course one feels that responding to hecklers with admontions to "Kill yourself" and to "F**k your mother" are acceptable civilized retorts. Or declaring that a professional colleague is "dumber than a box of rocks". Or tellling lies about your competitor by stating that he "supports Nazis" and then publicly flashing the "Seig Heil" sign at a broadcasters event, earning a well deserved letter of reprimand from the Anti-Defamation League. Or comparing a special prosecutor acting under the mandate of a Democrat Attorney General to Heinrich Himmler, founder and officer in charge of the Nazi concentration camps, resulting in the deaths of millions of people. Or referring to a prominent Fox Sunday morning talk show host as a "monkey". And on and on."

Anyone who wants to see a classic illustration of hypocrisy should go back and read Brandon's insults and juvenile suggestive remarks about Olbermann's girlfriend Katy Tur.

Brandon's understanding of the definition of mysogyny is about as deep and broad as his introspection.

"you hate Keith Olbermann. But what you seem to hate even more is the reality and truth that is on the news wire and daily local newspapers. "

What you and other apologists and sycophants for Olbermann can't (or won't) comprehend, for some reason, is that Keith Olbermann - as a news anchor - is required by professional and journalistic ethics to leave his opinions and views outside of the newsroom.

The suits at NBC and MSNBC insist - as does Olbermann - that he is completely straight with his news anchoring and that he only injects his opinions during his "Special Commentary" monologues.

That - as has been amply documented here - is just not true.

The fact that he feeds into your Bush hatred and dislike of anything that doesn't parallel your political views does not mean that he can therefore jettison standards of fairness and balance.

Name one issue that Olbermann has allowed a dissenting view to appear?

If he wishes to host an opinion show, that is fine. No one expects fairness or objectivity or balance on those types of formats.

But one is expecting such principles on a news show.

That is, if one isn't solely concerned about filling their Bush hatred and isn't at all worried about what they are putting in their gaping hateful maw.

Take a look at the comment threads that were shutdown at DU when long-time members of that website pointed out Olbermann's hypocrisy and misogyny. Time and time again you see it at these liberal websites, people only want good spoken about Olbermann, no discussion of his faults (and there are many, as has been well-documented). That's the liberal mindset-let's shut down any discussion of anything that is contrary to what you disagree with. It's the constant attempt to turn Olbermann into a God who must be worshipped at all times and who is beyond questioning, the exact kind of attitude that the Anon was protesting.

And oh dear Cecelia is back to defend gold-digging younger females shacked up with older, wealthier men everywhere. Have you ever thought about starting a union for them Cecelia? But the facts remain and Olbermann has bragged about them in several interviews, where it was he who brought forth her name, bragged about her age, etc. Your continued sour grapes on this subject has gotten quite tiresome but not to worry, anything that bumps my threads to the top is all good so thanks!

And oh dear Cecelia is back to defend gold-digging younger females shacked up with older, wealthier men everywhere. Posted by: Brandon at July 8, 2007 9:17

I'm not sure which is sadder-- your not having a clue as to how mysogynistic your statement is.... or your being so pathetically thrilled at having any sort of audience.

Yes Cecelia, I'm an evil mysognist. But I'm not on TV and Olbermann is. And this site is called Olbermannwatch, not Brandonwatch. You've made your views on my mentioning Katy Tur quite clear, but perhaps you should contact Olbermann and let him know he's not allowed to mention his 23-year old girlfriend anymore in interviews. When he stops talking about her, so will I. Furthermore, when he stops making fun of women's ages once they're over the age of 23, I'll stop writing posts like the one above. You seem to heartedly endorse his view that anyone over the age of 23 should die immediately. Gee, how old are you? Sometimes your sheer immaturity on this issue makes it seem like you're about 13 but whatever. Keep posting and complaining--at least you're reading my posts.

He called Rita dumber than rock
That's rich from a sniffer of jock
And Keith's Ph.D?
Communications Degree!
He's a journalist's laughing stock

Yes Cecelia, I'm an evil mysognist. But I'm not on TV and Olbermann is. And this site is called Olbermannwatch, not Brandonwatch. You've made your views on my mentioning Katy Tur quite clear, but perhaps you should contact Olbermann and let him know he's not allowed to mention his 23-year old girlfriend anymore in interviews. When he stops talking about her, so will I. Furthermore, when he stops making fun of women's ages once they're over the age of 23, I'll stop writing posts like the one above. You seem to heartedly endorse his view that anyone over the age of 23 should die immediately. Gee, how old are you? Sometimes your sheer immaturity on this issue makes it seem like you're about 13 but whatever. Keep posting and complaining--at least you're reading my posts.

Posted by: Brandon at July 8, 2007 9:49 PM

Brandon, I suppose when your reasoning abilities are such that you can indulge in the notion that young women are automatically greedy bimbos if they become involved with a older successful man, it would then be just as easy to conclude that being mentioned by their male lover is permission enough for you to insult them.

Afterall, it's not like women are people in their own right...eh, Brandon?

It's amusing too to watch flounder around trying to find some reason why I'd bother to defend Tur though I don't like Olbermann--- I'm young.... I'm old, just immature... I'm a gold-digger too.... etc. You'll come up with anything and everything in order for you to avoid facing the fact that you're dishing out a very personal insult to a woman for no other reason than her being the love-interest of a man you dislike.

But then why let a little thing like the fact that she's a person too, stop you... while you're calling someone else a misogynistic hypocrite, you misogynistic hypocrite.

Cecelia, I accuse Anna Nicole Smith of being a gold-digger. Does that make me a woman-hater???

No of course not John, those "rules" of Cecelia's only apply to me and my evil mysognistic tendencies! You see, she has a vested interest in golddiggers seeing how she's copped to being one. She has long held a vendetta against me for her own little personal reasons and has turned herself into a shrill shrew in the process but oh well, to each their own, you see, I believe that women of all ages are allowed to speak freely and to live whatever kind of lifestyle it is they want to pursue. Olbermann on the other hand, only believes women in their 20's are allowed to exist, a fact that Cecelia, in her defense of all young women living with older men, continues to overlook. I guess it's not just the libs who can twist themselves into contortions to defend Olbermann, Cecelia has joined their ranks to defend young women shacking up with and living off of older men everywhere. Good for her-glad to see she has a job other than living off of her old man's money.

Haha! I don't think I know the half of it, Brandon.

Anyway, I keep getting this e-mail response from MAILER-DAEMON@postoffice1.ash.iad.zubrcom.net that the delivery of my message has failed every time I send olbywatch an e-mail. It also says "Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) "

It's the weirdest thing... Any ideas?

Cecelia, I accuse Anna Nicole Smith of being a gold-digger. Does that make me a woman-hater???

Posted by: John-O at July 8, 2007 10:27 PM

No, it just makes you someone disingenuous enough to ignore the differences between...... a 48 year old man in his prime, at the top of his game and able to enjoy all of life and a wheelchair bound 85 year old man.

And to ignore it in order to make a specious point. You might be Brandon...

No of course not John, those "rules" of Cecelia's only apply to me and my evil mysognistic tendencies! You see, she has a vested interest in golddiggers seeing how she's copped to being one. She has long held a vendetta against me for her own little personal reasons and has turned herself into a shrill shrew in the process but oh well, to each their own, you see, I believe that women of all ages are allowed to speak freely and to live whatever kind of lifestyle it is they want to pursue. Olbermann on the other hand, only believes women in their 20's are allowed to exist, a fact that Cecelia, in her defense of all young women living with older men, continues to overlook. I guess it's not just the libs who can twist themselves into contortions to defend Olbermann, Cecelia has joined their ranks to defend young women shacking up with and living off of older men everywhere. Good for her-glad to see she has a job other than living off of her old man's money.

Posted by: Brandon at July 8, 2007 10:47 PM

This just is more illustration of how flabbergasted Brandon is that anyone who dislikes Olbermann wouldn't also be willing to say anything objectionable thing imaginable about anyone Olbermann is connected with, as well.

I've made a distinction here that is tantamount to joining the "enemy" where he is concerned.

Well, let me clue you into something Brandon, my "own little personal reasons" for not liking you have always been that you are a stupid and grubby little boy who exhibits a casual and flippant disrespect towards people who have done you no ill, in nearly every post you write.

I don't care if you do vote the way I vote or dislike Olbermann or blog for Bob Cox.

Can anyone prove that Katy Tur has a job? The article I read where he talked about her he said she worked "freelance". That's pretty much code for unemployed. Sounds like she's living off Daddy Warbucks to me too.

Officials at Live Earth Johannesburg have blamed the effects of climate change for poor audience attendance at Saturday's (07Jul07) South African event. Organiser John Langford believes extremely cold weather in the region - it snowed last week (ends06Jul07) for the first time in a quarter of a century - kept people away from the concert, which starred Joss Stone, UB40, Angelique Kidjo and Baaba Maal.

Goddame global warming. Causing all this snow. The march of the zombies continues....

"Stupid and grubby little boy"? Why Cecelia, you have just displayed fine examples of both hypocrisy and misogyny while attempting to preach to me in your usual high-handed, holier-than-thou style. Again, for you to critique anyone's posting style is the height of hypocrisy, when you are the Queen of attempting to demean any and all posters at this board in an attempt to show your supposed superiority is amusing to say the least. And I guess the misogyny you displayed towards me was just an added bonus. Pot meet kettle.

Brandon is a woman?

Brandon is a woman?

Posted by: blindrat at July 9, 2007 9:57 AM

On the occasional Saturday night.

blindbat, down, boy, down. Put it away, someone might see you in your cubicle.

I'm simply wondering if he knows what the word "misogyny" means...

Great post Brandon. Buckle in for the Cecelia ride, its going to be a long one. She does not quit. She exposed herself on previous threads as a woman who, like Ms. Tur, found a rich older suger daddy, and has absolutely no problem with that. It is her way of life, it is her moral core. Buckle in and enjoy the ride down hypocrite lane.

Great post Brandon. Buckle in for the Cecelia ride, its going to be a long one. She does not quit. She exposed herself on previous threads as a woman who, like Ms. Tur, found a rich older suger daddy, and has absolutely no problem with that. It is her way of life, it is her moral core. Buckle in and enjoy the ride down hypocrite lane.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 12:25 PM

Yeah, Katy Tur needed a "sugar daddy" in the video/short industry when her parents have already pioneered an extremely successful business in it already...

Maybe your next trick to insult Olbermann via her can be to call her one of those spoiled rich girls who puzzlingly attempt to pull the wool over your eyes when they DO try to start careers of their own...

Then there's always the alternative of attractive blonde and their stereotypal IQ.

Afterall, if you're going to insist that I confessed to gold-digging when I pointed out what should be commonsense that it's natural that people in relationships-- marriage, cohabitation, etc... do use what's best about each others at different points in that relationship (Whether it be physical/emotional strength or nurturing, talents, career skills, wisdom, etc.) then it's a safe bet that you're the sort of cynic who wonders what's in it for you or who's after what you have, every minute.

Which pretty well means you're your own worst enemy, so you ceertainly have the enemy you deserve.

I'm simply wondering if he knows what the word "misogyny" means...

Posted by: blindrat at July 9, 2007 11:33 AM

When wondering if Brandon knows the definition of a word, it's always a given that he doesn't.

Interesting post Brandon. Thanks for the link to the DU. There were actually some clear thinking posts concerning sexism, ageism and one or two about homophopia. Too bad they stopped the discussion...but I guess that is the point...

FOUND AN INTERESTING OLD POST:
"Grammie" takes delight in tag teaming with Cecelia. She uses a title that says "elderly" and then wants to pass herself off as wise. But if you dig hard enough she will cough up the goods. She will admit what her core beliefs are based on.

White Christian people are the rightful embodiment of righteousness.

It is all about seeking validation for this simple perspective. It is a very common theme she likes to flash like a badge from time to time. At the core of both her and Cecelia is a simple narrow belief.

White Christian people are the apple of God's eye.

Dead and dismembered Iraqi children in the arms of tearful mothers dusted in rubble has no effect on these simpleminded self centered people.

Just like their fore fathers who were taught to feel the same way for African slaves they sold in auction or beat to death for trying to escape.

What and how they think is rooted in hundreds of years of cultural beliefs and more important - the culture of denial.

Posted by: George is not the worst President he loves Jesus so he can't be bad. Just like me - I love Jesus so at March 19, 2007 10:22 PM

Posted by: at July 7, 2007 10:40 PM

Yes, of course. Sounds like the 'We only do to Keith what he does to others...." MO of this site that Cecelia holds so dear.
Now that I've pointed that out, let the ultimate hypocrites come out of the woodwork and defend their hypocrisy.
Posted by: LMAO at May 16, 2007 6:59 PM

>Oh, please, the "others" as in those who Keith criticises would be lucky if he treated them like OW critics are treated here.
Posted by: Cecelia at May 16, 2007 7:04 PM

If 'How OW treats it's critics' was the issue, I'd have to agree with you, Cecelia, but that's not the issue I raised. I can't be too terribly surprised you missed it, you probably didn't get enough sleep last night.
Put the straw man to bed, Cecelia. Then, reread my post, and fulfill your obligation (as you put it) as the 'Ultimate Hypocrite.'
Calling Olbermann names of his making (while criticizing him for it), then saying it's okay because he did it first (or saying it's okay because we only do it to him), then taking me to task for pointing it out.....
Your original post about what makes a hypocrite, a bigger hypocrite, and the ultimate hypocrite is fairly lucid for a Cecelia post. Too bad the focus of your lucidity was only trained on others. But that's sort of the mindset of a hypocrite, isn't it?
Perhaps a double cappucino would be in order to go with your double standards.
Maybe that'll wake you up...
Posted by: LMAO at May 16, 2007 7:50 PM

LMAO gets the BIG picture.

Posted by: at May 22, 2007 12:54 PM

Defending your own posts, wow, desperate, indeed.

Olbermann never mentioned a single girlfriend in any interview he ever gave prior to 2006. Then the Karmabites story hit the fan and then when it was clear he'd suffered some damage to his "image", Olbermann pulled a girlfriend out of his ass, declared her his one true love and began to talk about her incessently on the radio show and in print interviews. Certainly convenient timing for him don't you think? And especially seeing how he was in the midst of renegotiating his contract with MSNBC at the time. I've never been able to figure out who was using who in this relationship but it's clear than a 22-year old girl (and she was 22 when they took up with one another, and it's a matter of PUBLIC RECORD that she dumped her boyfriend to pursue Olbermann) wouldn't be with a man older than her father unless it was for fame or money as Olbermann is hardly a Mel Gibson or even a Tom Hanks type. She states on her PUBLIC blog that she is looking to break into the industry. She invited comments on her videos. And what we're doing here is commenting on her videos. And if the conversation steers off into her "personal" life, than blame Olbermann, he was the one who chose to make his personal life public when he began yapping incessently about this young woman in every interview he could give.

Olbermann has a long history of making fun of ALL women. Perhaps this is his, I don't know, KARMA for all of those names he's slung out at women both famous and not over the years. Maybe it will be a good lesson for him to know what it feels like to see someone you love and care about thrust into the public eye and made fun of as he has done to so many people and continues to do on a nightly basis. I'm sorry Cecelia, I feel no sympathy for Olbermann or his "girlfriend". And I find your whining about this to be more than a bit hypocritical.

Posted by: KAF at May 12, 2007 7:21 PM

We get it Cecelia. You're pissed at Brandon. You're pissed at Cox. You're pissed at the posting of the party photos. You're pissed at the links to Tur's videos and you're pissed at the comments made about Katy Tur. So why do you continue to read this thread? You're really beginning to come off as a humorless shrew and btw, that's not a female bashing statement because I'm a female myself.
And that's another thing. You're complaining here about males "attacking" Tur but you don't seem above hurling out personal insults at those you disagree with. So it's okay for you to throw our insults and attack others but not for someone to make a snarky comment about Ms. Tur? I'm missing the logic there and I still think it makes you a Grade A Hypocrite to criticize someone for something when you turn around and do the same to those you disagree with.

Posted by: KAF at May 12, 2007 8:52 PM

Cecelia, I stand corrected. I don't THINK you're a humorless shrew, now I know you are. You just don't seem to get that the second you began to use the same terms to throw at others that you were complaining about others using, you lost your argument here. You really do need to chill out on this subject. You're lost all perspective. It's pretty clear that Tur will continue to be a topic of discussion here, if you don't like it, you know what you can do and where you can go (elsewhere).

And you know what? I'd really like a list of who it's okay to make fun of and who it's not, both male and female. There seems to be a real disagreement in that area. I say EVERYONE is fair game up to and including even old Cecelia.

Posted by: KAF at May 12, 2007 9:25 PM

I am not really going to think very hard about whether this comment or my past statements are somehow in conflict with this. All I can tell you is that I do not see anything wrong with talking about Katy Tur on this site because she has chosen to be a public person and Keith Olbermann has chosen to push her even more into the spotlight.

That alternative seems odd - that we should NOT mention Katy Tur on this site at all when she is very publicly in a relationship with the person who this site is all about.

Posted by: Robert Cox at May 12, 2007 9:48 PM

Cecelia I don't know what's wrong with you tonight but you're on quite the tangent. I think you're totally twisting what Bob was trying to say. He has tried to invite posters with different views and he has not put limits on what people could say in the comments and he's done so to promote this site and he's done that very successfully. And he's been very open and honest about that but you seem to think that's a bad thing because you don't happen to agree with him on this particular subject, you're, I don't know what you're trying to do but it's not making anyone look bad here but you. If that's your intention, congratulatons you've suceeded and then some. And I'm very serious about my career advice to Ms. Tur. People post videos at Current for the express purpose of getting comments and input on them and first and foremost to get them "greenlit" and put on tv. It's a shortcut. She states explicitly in her comments she's trying to get her foot in the door. She also states she doesn't possess a journalism degree. My advice to her is very serious. She should go back to school, earn a grad degree in journalism if that's what she wants to do, and work from the bottom up to achieve her goals and not take shortcuts. That's not the sexist slam that you seem to think it is, it's serious career advice. And I'd advise any woman to make their own way and not try to lean on their parents or their boyfriend to open doors for them or to think that someone is going to discover them like they were some Hollywood startlet from the 30's.

Posted by: KAF at May 12, 2007 10:57 PM

I love the "commonsense" agruement Cecelia makes. Here's the original gold digging comment that she wishes she can take back:

Let me clue you into something, although we aren't living in the Trump Tower, to say the least.... I fell in love with my husband partly for the same reasons, and I have admired his zeal and god given abilities more every year of our marriage. Gold-digger that I am, I even took advantage of them by letting him support me through my last year and a half of college. I've exploited him even more by largely living off his income, even though I could support myself and were I start start a business, I wouldn't fail to exploit every connection he has... I even think his love handles are cute...
Posted by: Cecelia at May 13, 2007 12:44 PM

But I think this new comments reveals that perhaps Cecelia has a little "thing" for the Man with a Tan:

a 48 year old man in his prime, at the top of his game and able to enjoy all of life....
Posted by: Cecelia at July 8, 2007 11:02 PM

LMAO gets the BIG picture.

Posted by: at May 22, 2007 12:54 PM

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 2:40 PM

Not to mention the award for most time or least time spent combing the archives trying to find an instance where I actually called Olbermann a name and then excused it on the basis that he had called someone else that first.

But then it is interesting to see OW critics side with Brandon in his argument that Tur is comparable with Olbermann. That it's fine to make her fair game in the way that Olbermann with a tv show filled with insults and accusations is fair game and this simply because she's with HIM and he has mentioned her...

Great minds think alike here...

I stand corrected. Cecelia in addition to being a great defender of young chicks living with older men everywhere is actually guilty of "Misandry" at least in so far as it applies to me.

Last time I mentioned Ms. Tur's name in a post I believe Cecelia kept going for days, foaming at the mouth, even after she was called down multiple times by Bob Cox. She apparently wants to turn this site into Brandonwatch or run the show without actually contributing to the work here other than her holier-than-thou statements which I guess she considers a gift to the rest of us. Maybe if her husband was closer to her in age she wouldn't be so bored and wouldn't spend so much of her time here trying to insult me.

But FYI: I'll NEVER tire of this particular subject or mentioning Tur, until she's out of the picture with Olbermann, etc. As long he continues to make statements like insulting women of a certain age or women in general, I'll be here to defend them, and of course, you'll be here to attack me, because obviously, you really don't have anything else better to do.

I do find it absolutely fascinating you haven't had a word to say about his latest insults of women, only of my daring to mention Ms. Tur's name again. You have strange priorities indeed.Guess that's what happens when a kept woman has way too much time on her idle hands.

Olbermann has a long history of making fun of ALL women. Perhaps this is his, I don't know, KARMA for all of those names he's slung out at women both famous and not over the years. Maybe it will be a good lesson for him to know what it feels like to see someone you love and care about thrust into the public eye and made fun of as he has done to so many people and continues to do on a nightly basis. I'm sorry Cecelia, I feel no sympathy for Olbermann or his "girlfriend". And I find your whining about this to be more than a bit hypocritical.

Posted by: KAF at May 12, 2007 7:21 PM

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 2:49 PM

So you've argued that Olbermann is a mysogynist who mistreats women while justifying your own and other's insulting remarks about a woman by arguing that it's Keith who has allowed you to mistreat her.

Then after delegating such control over her to someone you have just labeled a mysogynist, you then argue that it's due juustice to make this woman a mere conduit for getting even with the mysogynist.

Someone alert Merriam-Webster. You're the quintessential illustration for the term!

When the Paris in Jail was on the airwaves, there were tons of "tsk tsk" comments against Olbermann at his own NEWSHOLE blog. They have let a few more "against" or "critical" comments in the last month. I am not sure why. Perhaps to provide the loons people to "bash" the "fox" lovers. Not sure. Maybe Olbermann doesn't read his comments.

BTW: Two kind of fun DU comments regarding the "age/sexism" issue:

my husband and I both thought the endless Hilton trashing was very sexist and mean-spirited...and the trashing of Britney Spears also sexist. Tonight was bad as well. KO may have sexual issues himself and is deserving of our sympathy if he hasn't gotten help yet for his identity problems. I see A LOT of over-compensation going on.

As for Olbermann. He is great on TV. But I suspect that in private he has a very big ego that needs a lot of feeding. He is such an ambitious, hardworking man. He probably needs a fan more than a partner. You should not be jealous or take his agism seriously. There are lots of great guys young and old out there just waiting to be loved and admired and approved.

Hope Johnny$ has the audio, Olbermann just said being gay is "biological" (on Dan Patrick radio show).

Plus he is doing a Barry Bonds "special comment" on NBC nightly news tomorrow.

I do find it absolutely fascinating you haven't had a word to say about his latest insults of women, only of my daring to mention Ms. Tur's name again. You have strange priorities indeed.Guess that's what happens when a kept woman has way too much time on her idle hands.

Posted by: Brandon at July 9, 2007 3:18 PM

No, you have a strange way of defining the term mysogynist.

Olbermann has insulted particular woman in particular ways. It's not mysogynistic to call a particular woman dumb. Nor is it to call particular stars of the pantless snapshot, the sex video, etc. "tarts". Nor is it to joke around that 50 year old Kim Cattrel is billed as a sex kitten.

It may be hypocritical because we all know that Olbermann ain't calling Clinton a dog, or Hillary an old bag, or Monica Lewinsky a slut.

No, dishing out insults to specific women is mysogynistic only if you're a politically correct liberal idiot with a chip on your shoulder and the mindset that women are to be treated BETTER than you'd treat a man.

For true mysogyny you have to show contempt for women in general such as equating a group of them as being gold diggers for no other reason than they are attracted to successful established men, or treating women as though they are mere channels to more important men.

The best example of mysogyny you've detailed on this board is your own.

As for Olbermann. He is great on TV. But I suspect that in private he has a very big ego that needs a lot of feeding. He is such an ambitious, hardworking man. He probably needs a fan more than a partner. You should not be jealous or take his agism seriously. There are lots of great guys young and old out there just waiting to be loved and admired and approved.

Posted by: STC at July 9, 2007 3:37 PM

it's amusing that the term "ageism" seems only to apply one way when the argument is about Tur and Olbermann.

It's just perfectly awful for Olbermann to refer to particular actresses as being over-the-hill, but it's hunky dory to make a young woman's age a central argument for why you are attributing to her the worst sorts of motives and designs.

But I think this new comments reveals that perhaps Cecelia has a little "thing" for the Man with a Tan:

a 48 year old man in his prime, at the top of his game and able to enjoy all of life....
Posted by: Cecelia at July 8, 2007 11:02 PM

Posted by: The AMORAL majority at July 9, 2007 3:12 PM

Ah... here's logic. First argue that Olbermann is sucessful, connected, and involved enough to thereforer be a target for all those scheming young hussies out there, then argue that someone else has a "thing for him" when they say the same...

...It's not mysogynistic to call a particular woman dumb...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 3:50 PM

Great Thanks for your insight...can't really argue with that logic. Yikes.

BTW that was not my comment, but something I found amusing from the DU. I just thought that the last line was nice thing to say about men (generally):

There are lots of great guys young and old out there just waiting to be loved and admired and approved.

Let me clue you into something, although we aren't living in the Trump Tower, to say the least.... I fell in love with my husband partly for the same reasons, and I have admired his zeal and god given abilities more every year of our marriage. Gold-digger that I am, I even took advantage of them by letting him support me through my last year and a half of college. I've exploited him even more by largely living off his income, even though I could support myself and were I start start a business, I wouldn't fail to exploit every connection he has... I even think his love handles are cute...
Posted by: Cecelia at May 13, 2007 12:44 PM

At the time I made the statement I didn't think anyone would call a woman who had been married to the same man for 100 years a "gold-digger", but I overestimated the reasoning abilities of the Tur haters.

My husband has benefitted from our relationship too both financially and emotionally in varying degrees.

Ever the optimist, I'll again overestimate your abstract reasoning abilities by suggesting this is what marriage is about.

...It's not mysogynistic to call a particular woman dumb...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 3:50 PM

Great Thanks for your insight...can't really argue with that logic. Yikes.

Posted by: STC at July 9, 2007 4:11 PM

Shhhh....

My husband has benefitted from our relationship too both financially and emotionally in varying degrees.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 4:12 PM

Cecelia, you are confusing us with people who give a shit about your personal life. Really stop with the circle jerk about your gold digging justification. Tons of women (and some men) do this (marrying up). Its pretty normal. Take a break, I think its time to clean your Hubby's drool cup!

wow--how desperate is Cecelia that she's digging up arguments from old threads to justify herself? Maybe she's jealous because Katy is hooked up with a multi-millionaire sugar daddy and she's not?

Cecelia, you are confusing us with people who give a shit about your personal life. Really stop with the circle jerk about your gold digging justification. Tons of women (and some men) do this (marrying up). Its pretty normal. Take a break, I think its time to clean your Hubby's drool cup!

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 4:18 PM

I did indeed "marry up" and that's a compliment to my man.

However, spare me your apologetics for marrying up, because in your case that term would apply if you wedded a brussel sprout.

Olbermann has insulted particular woman in particular ways. It's not mysogynistic to call a particular woman dumb. Nor is it to call particular stars of the pantless snapshot, the sex video, etc. "tarts". Nor is it to joke around that 50 year old Kim Cattrel is billed as a sex kitten.

No, dishing out insults to specific women is mysogynistic only if you're a politically correct liberal idiot with a chip on your shoulder and the mindset that women are to be treated BETTER than you'd treat a man.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 3:50 PM

Cecelia, please re-read your idiotic statements. Now wonder why people do not take you seriously. Really, take a break, you are only hurting your OWN argument.

wow--how desperate is Cecelia that she's digging up arguments from old threads to justify herself? Maybe she's jealous because Katy is hooked up with a multi-millionaire sugar daddy and she's not?

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 4:28 PM

Yep. A Tur-hater would be idiotic enough to equate defending Tur as being jealous of her.

And a cut-n-paste Chickenblogger would accuse someone else of doing that.

Cecelia, please re-read your idiotic statements. Now wonder why people do not take you seriously. Really, take a break, you are only hurting your OWN argument.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 4:33 PM

If you are a woman you're a stupid woman. If you are a man you're a stupid man.

Those are not sexist remarks.

No, you won't be able to grasp that-- see the above...

Cecelia, Could care less about Tur, its the self-rightous-illogical-hypocrite like you is what we can't stand.

Cecelia, Could care less about Tur, its the self-rightous-illogical-hypocrite like you is what we can't stand.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 4:39 PM

Yeah, it's so much better to self-righteously justify insulting a woman because you don't like her boyfriend.

Cecelia is off her meds again.

Cecelia is off her meds again.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 4:51 PM

awwww...you take more than enough for everyone...

Cecelia, you are the definition of a STUPID woman.

Dictonary.com:
mi-sog-y-ny
--noun, hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.

I would think, Olbermann's constant "slurs" against women may qualify him as a misogynist. Just because they are specific "slurs" directed at "specific" women does not it any less of a "misogynistic" attitude. I guess in your world people can be a "little bit" racist too. Take a break, hypocrite.

No, Cecelia is guilty of "Misandry": hatred of men, or maybe she's just guilty of Brandonandry--it's sort of hard to tell as she is generally pretty nasty to everyone here, both conservative and loons alike.
It's pretty amusing for me to see that she has been posting back-to-back comments. I guess now she's even arguing with herself.

Olbermann, for the record, remains a full-blown sexist, ageist, elitist, homophobic, cradle-robbing misogynist .

Cecelia however doesn't have a problem with any of that, just me. Go figure.

Cecelia, you are the definition of a STUPID woman.

Dictonary.com:
mi-sog-y-ny
--noun, hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.

I would think, Olbermann's constant "slurs" against women may qualify him as a misogynist. Just because they are specific "slurs" directed at "specific" women does not it any less of a "misogynistic" attitude. I guess in your world people can be a "little bit" racist too. Take a break, hypocrite.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 4:58 PM

Include Ann Coulter and/or Michelle Malkin as being stupid too, and you've just qualified for Brandon's example of misogyny...

Olbermann is an equal opportunity hater (as well as a hypocrite). He slanders as many men as women as Tom Cruise, Billl O'Reilly, Bruce Willis, Michael Jackson, etc would atest...

Mysogyny is directed towards women in general-- as in arguing that young women who get involved with successful older men are only out to use them-- hello, Brandon...

Olbermann's comments regarding women and his repeated patterns reveal his misgogyny for those who aren't so blind they refuse to see, or have a personal interest in the term "golddigger"--hello Cecelia!

I guess now she's even arguing with herself. Posted by: Brandon at July 9, 2007 5:04 PM

I thought that very odd as well, who argues with comments from months ago?

Maybe Cecelia is Katy Tur's mother, she is very concerned with Ms. Turs' well being. I guess certain women like Britney & Kim don't get the same consideration.

"Nor is it to call particular stars of the pantless snapshot, the sex video, etc. "tarts". Nor is it to joke around that 50 year old Kim Cattrel is billed as a sex kitten." Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 3:50 PM

No, Cecelia is guilty of "Misandry": hatred of men, or maybe she's just guilty of Brandonandry--it's sort of hard to tell as she is generally pretty nasty to everyone here, both conservative and loons alike.
It's pretty amusing for me to see that she has been posting back-to-back comments. I guess now she's even arguing with herself.

Olbermann, for the record, remains a full-blown sexist, ageist, elitist, homophobic, cradle-robbing misogynist .

Cecelia however doesn't have a problem with any of that, just me. Go figure.

Posted by: Brandon at July 9, 2007 5:04 PM

No, I have problem with it WHEREVER I see it.

So the charges have broadened now to include homophobia and elitism. Didn't you think you had enough with mere mysogyny?

sexism-- exp-- Brandon argues that it's okay to personally insult Katy Tur because HER BOYFRIEND has spoken publicly about her thus granting permission....

ageism-- Brandon argues that young woman who are attracted to older successful men only do so out of greed.

I thought that very odd as well, who argues with comments from months ago?

Maybe Cecelia is Katy Tur's mother, she is very concerned with Ms. Turs' well being. I guess certain women like Britney & Kim don't get the same consideration.

"Nor is it to call particular stars of the pantless snapshot, the sex video, etc. "tarts". Nor is it to joke around that 50 year old Kim Cattrel is billed as a sex kitten." Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 3:50 PM

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 5:18 PM

So because I defend Tur, whose "bad" behavior is only that she hooked up with a guy Brandon doesn't like, I must therefore defend every woman in the world despite their behavior.

Are you sure you're not a liberal?

I'm the Chickenblogger because I answer the remarks of anonymous posters who have also included within their posts cut-n-pastes of my May comments.

Are you sure you aren't a Chickenblogger? Well, actually, you are now, are'nt you...

Olbermann's comments regarding women and his repeated patterns reveal his misgogyny for those who aren't so blind they refuse to see, or have a personal interest in the term "golddigger"--hello Cecelia!

Posted by: Brandon at July 9, 2007 5:16 PM

He has repeated pattern of insulting both men and women.

You have a repeated pattern of not being able to reason your way out of a paper bag.

IT'S NOT MYSOGYNISTIC TO CALL A PARTICULAR WOMAN DUMB. Nor is it to call particular stars of the pantless snapshot, the sex video, etc. "tarts". Nor is it to joke around that 50 year old Kim Cattrel is billed as a sex kitten.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 3:50 PM

(Caps mine for emphasis---because this statement has not sunk back into Cecelia's head). Besides being a little bit racist, can you be a little be pregnant as well?

Cecelia, an olbyloon has an olbsession with you! Looks like they have spent all morning and part of the afternoon digging up old posts. Shocker, they are too cowardly to use a name. Someone whom you have handed their ass to in the past, no doubt. Pretty funny, to say the least.

Maybe Cecelia is Katy Tur's mother, she is very concerned with Ms. Turs' well being. I guess certain women like Britney & Kim don't get the same consideration.

Great, again more concern with use a names then the actual content of the thread. you go girlfrien--um royalking.

So because I defend Tur, whose "bad" behavior is only that she hooked up with a guy Brandon doesn't like, I must therefore defend every woman in the world despite their behavior.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 5:27 PM

Lets not be disingenuous here, you defend her because the situation hits a little to close to home for you personally. Plus you seem to have some serious issues/jealousy(?) concerning Brandon.

Maybe Cecelia is Katy Tur's mother, she is very concerned with Ms. Turs' well being. I guess certain women like Britney & Kim don't get the same consideration.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 5:36 PM

Riiighhhttt....

I'd wager that Kim herself expects a few sarcastic shots about playing a sex kitten at age 50 and it's certainly a wild wild misogynistic world out there where poor Birtney is concerned....

Lets not be disingenuous here, you defend her because the situation hits a little to close to home for you personally. Plus you seem to have some serious issues/jealousy(?) concerning Brandon.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 5:46 PM

Please tell me how you define the term gold-digger.

Plus you seem to have some serious issues/jealousy(?) concerning Brandon.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 5:46 PM

So you're one of thoe people who argues that Bob, Johnny, and Brandon are just jealous of Keith Olbermann and criticise him because he has a pretty young love-interest and a tv show?

I'd wager that Kim herself expects a few sarcastic shots about playing a sex kitten at age 50 and it's certainly a wild wild misogynistic world out there where poor Birtney is concerned...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 5:49 PM

Dictonary.com:
mi-sog-y-ny
--noun, hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.

I would think, Olbermann's constant "slurs" against women may qualify him as a misogynist. Just because they are specific "slurs" directed at "specific" women does not it any less of a "misogynistic" attitude. I guess in your world people can be a "little bit" racist too. Take a break, hypocrite.

Keep on parsing, illogical hypocrite, your argument fell flat long ago (as it did during the Countdown's "A slut and battery" thread over at the Huffington Post).

Keep on parsing, illogical hypocrite, your argument fell flat long ago (as it did during the Countdown's "A slut and battery" thread over at the Huffington Post).

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 6:05 PM

I've never posted on Huffington Post in my life and trust me, if were anyone but Olbermann making the statement (or me making the argument) any criticism of "long in the tooth" jokes would be denounced by Brandon, himself and ignored by you.

I've never posted on Huffington Post in my life...Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 6:15 PM

I didn't mean you SPECIFICALLY dumbshit. Goodness you are seriously dense.

I've never posted on Huffington Post in my life...Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 6:15 PM

I didn't mean you SPECIFICALLY dumbshit. Goodness you are seriously dense.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 6:37 PM

Oh sure....it's was this sentence in a post addressed to me that "illogically" threw me:

"Keep on parsing, illogical hypocrite, your argument fell flat long ago (as it did during the Countdown's "A slut and battery" thread over at the Huffington Post)."

So there's also the smoke of a distant fire in your illogical self-justifications and mickey mouse psych analysis. Not to mention your arguing with yourself... :D

The "it" refers to the same "logic" the Olby defenders used when commenting at the HuffParis/Slut/battery thread. Which was yours---only certain women are "allowed" better tv manners, Brittney & Kim are not among them. (In your world). But nuance is not your strong point, thats why there is no point in responding to you again.

Go blow your husband, pray, do something nice for someone...just take a break from the blog.

Olbermann's history speaks for itself. So does Cecelia's.

Probably from the left-wing blogs and websites who do the same.

I was banned in 2 days.I know others who were banned in less than a week.

Imagine a right wing republican blog that doesn't permit freedom of speech !
Wonder where they got that idea from ?

Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at July 9, 2007 7:42 PM

I don't blame them! I wouldn't go around bragging you've been banned from sites, although, it doesn't surprise me from what I've seen you post here......nothing of substance.

The left wing isn't afraid of divergent views.

Posted by: nobody gives a damn is at July 9, 2007 7:59 PM

The same left wing that Olbermahn belongs too? Nice try, no cigar. Next?

Where did I say Olbermahn represents "all of the left wing?" No where, because I didn't. There are actually some intelligent members of the left wing that think Olbermahn is a total joke and embarrassment! The owner of my favorite mexican restaurant is one of them.

Name, I'm not going to make any judgments about your IQ as it rather speaks for itself. In the blog post above, there is a fine example of censorship by the left-wing websites: a locked thread on Democratic Underground when too many people came forward to voice how they too were disturbed by Olbermann's repeated pattern of misogynistic behavior. I can go to the most popular websites on any day of the week and see liberals shutting down "dissent" in any shape or form from fellow liberals. Last night I even saw a thread on DU from someone questioning the group-think that has seized the mentality of the posters at that site. I'm sure it too has been locked by now. I know you'd like to believe that your little leftist websites are fine examples of free speech but that is simply not the case.

And from what I can tell, these were absolutely NOT "freepers" as they are called by the left, but were legitimate posts from your fellow liberals that were being hounded because they dared try to voice an opinion contrary to the group-think that seems to dominate those sites.

I'm not why Do you care, but you're an idiot, RK.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 8:39 PM

This intelligent debating fact/comment brought to us by anonyloon! Say something of substance AGAINST Olbermahn and they call you an idiot! Intelligent, indeed.

There are actually some intelligent members of the left wing that think Olbermahn is a total joke and embarrassment! The owner of my favorite mexican restaurant is one of them.
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Racist idiot! Taco Bell is owned by Yum! Brands, a large corporation, and I am sure the major sharheolders and members of the board are not "members of the left wing."

Never said Fox News is a liberal web site either, right?(Even though it's been posted many times)

This cowboy has no shame.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 8:55 PM

Wrong again, no one ever posted anything where I said "fox news is left wing." That's because I never said it, fool.

I have to disagree with He of Many Names for two (2) reasons:

(1) I don't think FOX News has a liberal bias.

(2) I don't think we should hate our troops.

Of course, there's the whole multiple-name posting and racism issues as well, but no one seems to dispute those anymore. I even think He of Many Names is on the verge of admitting his errors in this regard.

Of course, there's the whole multiple-name posting and racism issues as well, but no one seems to dispute those anymore. I even think He of Many Names is on the verge of admitting his errors in this regard.

Posted by: Clucker at July 9, 2007 9:41 PM

A post chock full of lies, nice going broke down beat up jalopy/clunker. What are my "other names?" What were my "racist" comments? Oh, I know, I called Obama a black man, now that's really bad.......Keep reaching little one, someday. Then again, I doubt it.

Imagine a right wing republican blog that doesn't permit freedom of speech !
Wonder where they got that idea from ?

Posted by: Why do you care what my name is at July 9, 2007 7:42 PM

Eschaton?...

broke down beat up jalopy/clunker
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LOL.

What wit.

The "it" refers to the same "logic" the Olby defenders used when commenting at the HuffParis/Slut/battery thread. Which was yours---only certain women are "allowed" better tv manners, Brittney & Kim are not among them. (In your world). But nuance is not your strong point, thats why there is no point in responding to you again.

Go blow your husband, pray, do something nice for someone...just take a break from the blog.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 7:34 PM

The obvious is not your strong suit....

With your logic it would be mysogynistic and unfair to defend Condoleesa Rice from the charge of being "dumb" if you failed to do the same for Paris...

Olbermann's history speaks for itself. So does Cecelia's.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 7:36 PM

So you've ensured that your history does not by being anonymous.

THAT speaks for itself too...

Racist idiot! Taco Bell is owned by Yum! Brands, a large corporation, and I am sure the major sharheolders and members of the board are not "members of the left wing."

Posted by: Clucker at July 9, 2007 8:57 PM

How do you know Yum shareholders and members of the board are not left wing?

Cecelia is all too willing to ignore Olbermann's very well-documented history of insulting women. She's also willing to ignore her own history at insulting any number of posters on this board, while all the while preaching to others, then turns right around and calls me a hypocrite (among other names) for what she perceives is insulting Olbermann and his teen-age girlfriend, Ms. Katy Tur. Really it's hard to know what she wants, other than me to stop posting blog entries and making comments. Too bad those are two things she's not going to be getting and her old man can't buy for her.

Cecelia is all too willing to ignore Olbermann's very well-documented history of insulting women. She's also willing to ignore her own history at insulting any number of posters on this board, while all the while preaching to others, then turns right around and calls me a hypocrite (among other names) for what she perceives is insulting Olbermann and his teen-age girlfriend, Ms. Katy Tur. Really it's hard to know what she wants, other than me to stop posting blog entries and making comments. Too bad those are two things she's not going to be getting and her old man can't buy for her.

Posted by: Brandon at July 9, 2007 10:24 PM

This all actually makes sense to you.

You really don't distinguish between insults that may fly over something that is argued between two people engaging in debate from insults that you level against someone with whom you've never exchanged a word (Katy Tur).

You don't distinguish insults towards a particular someone with much exposure in the popular media ....say Katie Couric...from your insulting Olbermann's love interest simply because....well, she's Olbermann's love interest...

Yep, Brandon you don't have a clue or a brain and unfortunately not even Rupert Murdoch could buy you either...

How do you know Yum shareholders and members of the board are not left wing?
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In the Name of All That Is Holy, Ceceilia, go to the corporate website and read the names of the members of B of D. I would think even you would recognize most of them. If not, there is a convenient biographical sketch of each. I think even you would agree that it is hardly the membership of the Second International. I can't take care of and enjoy my family, work, participate in my church and community, discharge my civic responsibilities, jet set all over the globe and try to educate you and He of Many Names. A man, any man, has limits.

I think even you would agree that it is hardly the membership of the Second International. I can't take care of and enjoy my family, work, participate in my church and community, discharge my civic responsibilities, jet set all over the globe and try to educate you and He of Many Names. A man, any man, has limits.

Posted by: Clucker at July 9, 2007 10:55 PM

Well, it's good to hear that as grandiose as your rich fantasy life has been, even you can't imagine yourself as educating your betters.

There goes cecelia again, proving that she is the biggest hypocrite on this board. Just keep on piling it on honey, you're actually proving my point with every post you make.

And Clucker, I never thought I'd ever agree with you, but hey, in this case, I agree, you're right and Cecelia, yet again, is wrong. It's not an uncommon position for her to be in, but of course, she'll never admit it.

Well, it's good to hear that as grandiose as your rich fantasy life has been, even you can't imagine yourself as educating your betters.
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I love to teach, to facilitate. Continuing Education. Sunday School. It is my avocation, if not my vocation. People with petty, closed minds and people who cherish their ignorance cannot benefit, however.

Good night to you, Cecelia. Sleep well.

I love to teach, to facilitate. Continuing Education. Sunday School. It is my avocation, if not my vocation. People with petty, closed minds and people who cherish their ignorance cannot benefit, however.

Good night to you, Cecelia. Sleep well.

Posted by: Clucker at July 9, 2007 11:11 PM

That makes the old adage "teacher teach thyself" even more poignant in your case...

And Clucker, I never thought I'd ever agree with you, but hey, in this case, I agree, you're right and Cecelia, yet again, is wrong. It's not an uncommon position for her to be in, but of course, she'll never admit it.

Posted by: Brandon at July 9, 2007 11:08 PM

Brandon, where you're concerned, none of your critics are ever wrong and all "positions" are uncommon when it comes to females....

I've got an idea, how about both of you shutting the fuck up or taking it somewhere else where we don't have to read through your crap?

Cecelia it's not just Brandon who sees this shit about Olbermann. Read the links. Your hatred of Brandon has blinded you to the fact that the libs are even screaming about Olby's for this. That was the point that Brandon was trying to make. And even his fans are grumbling loudly about his young chickie-poo so stop acting like Brandon is the only person talking about her like this. You're the only one who seems to have a problem with it here.

And Brandon stop giving Ceclia credit she doesn't deserve by responding to her.

Nobody is as smart or has better information than Cecilia.

Posted by: at July 9, 2007 11:22 PM

Evidently, you're making some progress as to getting there...

Cecelia it's not just Brandon who sees this shit about Olbermann. Read the links. Your hatred of Brandon has blinded you to the fact that the libs are even screaming about Olby's for this. That was the point that Brandon was trying to make. And even his fans are grumbling loudly about his young chickie-poo so stop acting like Brandon is the only person talking about her like this. You're the only one who seems to have a problem with it here.

And Brandon stop giving Ceclia credit she doesn't deserve by responding to her.

Posted by: Both of you shut up now at July 9, 2007 11:23 PM

As compelling as the argument *** "Liberals are saying it so it must be true" *** is, I'll leave it to you and Brandon to guage your actions based upon IT....

A post chock full of lies, nice going broke down beat up jalopy/clunker. What are my "other names?" What were my "racist" comments? Oh, I know, I called Obama a black man, now that's really bad.......Keep reaching little one, someday. Then again, I doubt it.

The broken down beat up jalopy has been silenced. More spew from the queen of spew.

Oh, I know, I called Obama a black man ....

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Actually, you said, and I am sure you will deny this, his own people won't support him. That is, without a doubt, racist in tone, tenor and intent. I suppose if I were a racist, I would want to denyy it as well. But don't run away from the emissions pooled all around you.

You have to wonder if this blog post was written by anyone other than Brandon is Cecelia would be carrying on this way.

Nobody is as smart or has better information than Cecilia.
Posted by: at July 9, 2007 11:22 PM

Evidently, you're making some progress as to getting there...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 9, 2007 11:25 PM

I think thats what we call sarcasm...

Cecelia it's not just Brandon who sees this shit about Olbermann. Read the links. Your hatred of Brandon has blinded you to the fact that the libs are even screaming about Olby's for this. That was the point that Brandon was trying to make. And even his fans are grumbling loudly about his young chickie-poo so stop acting like Brandon is the only person talking about her like this. You're the only one who seems to have a problem with it here.
Posted by: Both of you shut up now at July 9, 2007 11:23 PM

Thanks Both...but here's the reason Cecelia can't let it go...(maybe it hits too close to home for her).

Let me clue you into something, although we aren't living in the Trump Tower, to say the least.... I fell in love with my husband partly for the same reasons, and I have admired his zeal and god given abilities more every year of our marriage. Gold-digger that I am, I even took advantage of them by letting him support me through my last year and a half of college. I've exploited him even more by largely living off his income, even though I could support myself and were I start start a business, I wouldn't fail to exploit every connection he has... I even think his love handles are cute...
Posted by: Cecelia at May 13, 2007 12:44 PM

You have to wonder if this blog post was written by anyone other than Brandon is Cecelia would be carrying on this way.

Posted by: ? at July 10, 2007 8:09 AM

Quoted above is more brilliance from ...ahem... one more.... barely average cowardly no-name clown...

Since neither Bob, Johnny, Doug Krile, or Edward E. have ever called Tur a gold-digger, engaged in arguments defending the notion that an entire group of women ARE gold-diggers, made puerile suggestive remarks about Tur, or focused criticism on her rather than upon Olbermann, that I haven't called them mysogynists would follow now wouldn't it, Einstein...

Brandon, you have to check out the Relevent Torture Blog. Orinenglish/Kathy is in rare form saying Dan Patrick is leaving because of Keith's success & influence. Great stuff. They have a new link:

http://bloggingolbermann.com/2007/07/dan-patricks-big-announcement/#comments

But plenty of Olbermann's usual fans have described her thusly. Again, Cecelia overlooks facts where are pertinent in favor of her own little fairy-tale. Go ahead, keep digging your grave sweetheart. You prove with each and every post just how and why this issue is so personal to you. And you only make me that much more inclined to keep plugging away at this same subject. You can, and have, called me every name in the book but you don't seem to get that I don't give a shit what you say or what you think and that you are a source of great amusement to me. At least I haven't had to resort to digging up prior posts from old threads and making anonymous posts to praise myself like you have. I always thought you had a degree of common sense but I realize now you obviously have some mental issues you need to deal with and tend towards the obsessive side. I'm almost beginning to wonder if you're not really one of Olby's loons. That being said, I'm pretty much done addressing you from this point forward. I'll continue to blog about what I want, when I want, with Cox's blessing. And you are certainly free to post what you want when you want in response to those blog posts of mine. I certainly can't say that you don't pay attention to me, even if your obsession with me is really beginning to border on the insanely obsessed, but whatever. Maybe your rich old hubby should spend of his time and attention getting you the mental help you so obviously need.

Oh, please, NO, Brandon, NO!

Please DON'T show yourself capable of making your insults to Tur even more personal!

Please DON'T cause me to HAVE to continue to insult you!....

Thanks to STC for the heads up, I've now blogged on this.

I am not really going to think very hard about whether this comment or my past statements are somehow in conflict with this. All I can tell you is that I do not see anything wrong with talking about Katy Tur on this site because she has chosen to be a public person and Keith Olbermann has chosen to push her even more into the spotlight.

That alternative seems odd - that we should NOT mention Katy Tur on this site at all when she is very publicly in a relationship with the person who this site is all about.
Posted by: Robert Cox at May 12, 2007 9:48 PM

...remarks about Tur, or focused criticism on her rather than upon Olbermann...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 11:42 AM

And Cecelia still doesn't get it, Your Denseness please go look up hypocrisy.

...remarks about Tur, or focused criticism on her rather than upon Olbermann...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 11:42 AM

And Cecelia still doesn't get it, Your Denseness please go look up hypocrisy.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 12:47 PM

Bob explicitly stated that he regretted the negative and nasty remarks about Tur but was in the business of censoring on his site.

Try again, putz.

That alternative seems odd - that we should NOT mention Katy Tur on this site at all when she is very publicly in a relationship with the person who this site is all about.
Posted by: Robert Cox at May 12, 2007 9:48 PM

That alternative seems odd - that we should NOT mention Katy Tur on this site at all when she is very publicly in a relationship with the person who this site is all about.
Posted by: Robert Cox at May 12, 2007 9:48 PM

Posted by: Bob Cox SAID: at July 10, 2007 1:28 PM

Let's try again. How does that conflict with my comment that Bob has not made nasty remarks about Katy and has deplored ones that have been made publicly (and in private email to me).

Cecelia is now telling us to just trust her about what Bob Cox said to her in "private emails". There's a certain air of desperation wafting off of her now.

Cecelia is now telling us to just trust her about what Bob Cox said to her in "private emails". There's a certain air of desperation wafting off of her now.

Posted by: Prove It at July 10, 2007 2:49 PM

Nope, I said that Bob publicly (as well as privately) said the he wished people didn't make nasty remarks about Tur.

No, I'm not searching the archives for you. You care that much, you find it.

As for the "crude" and/or misogynistic comments by some readers of this site. If you are asking for my vote I would vote for people not making those kinds of comments. Likewise I would like people to stop defending Keith Olbermann, stop trying to make every post a referendum on George Bush or Dick Cheney or the Iraq War. I would like people to always see my point of view, come to the same conclusions as me or admit when they are wrong.

Guess what?

That ain't happening. It's the nature of the kind of free and open discourse I want to encourage on this site.

Posted by: Robert Cox at May 12, 2007 9:48 PM

Cecelia's brilliant response (excerpt):

Let me get this straight, Bob. A woman who talked with the NYP about her one night affair with Keith Olbermann (but declined to give proof) and who started a blog site on this very topic is NOT a public figure....?

Posted by: Cecelia at May 12, 2007 10:09 PM

So like it has been pointed out before, only "certain" women are afforded blog decorum. Brittney, Kim, fans who have one night stands---screw you, you are not "pure/Christian/white/right" enough in the world of Cecelia. Queen of the Hypocrites Cecelia.

It is enjoyable to see her run to Bob to "protect" her. Really sad life she must have.

You have to wonder if this blog post was written by anyone other than Brandon is Cecelia would be carrying on this way.
Posted by: ? at July 10, 2007 8:09 AM

Brandon makes her relevant in some odd way...go back and look in the archives, Cecelia has been here since the begining. Maybe she's a closet galpal. Her obsession and defense of Olbermann seems to point in that direction.

So Bob's private emails to Cecelia are in the Olbermannwatch archives? How is that possible?

It is enjoyable to see her run to Bob to "protect" her. Really sad life she must have.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 3:38 PM

Let's me see if I can write an outside-o-what-went-down narrative for you in return for the one that was your cheap attempt to bolster a case you can't make through reason...

I think I can... :D

Some Chickenblogger made the case that I wouldn't bother to comment if anyone but Brandon had made the comments he has made. I suppose the logic here is that I only pick on people with the first initial of "B".

I replied that I took on Brandon because he was the blogger who made the comments. Duh..... Bob didn't.... Bob says he wishes people wouldnt.... but it's not in the nature of his site to censor comments.

If you'll notice, I said just the same thing earlier too, putz.

Brandon makes her relevant in some odd way...go back and look in the archives, Cecelia has been here since the begining. Maybe she's a closet galpal. Her obsession and defense of Olbermann seems to point in that direction.

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 4:22 PM

By the token, Brandon must be making YOU relevant.

Let me add, that if anything most exemplies the pattern of thinking of Olbermann fans, it's the "all or nothing" mentality you just expressed.

To them any criticism of Olbermann is tantamount to betrayal and to you any disagreement with a charge against him is tantamount to a betrayal....

I hope you enjoy reading all the idiotic fawnings of Olbermann's female fans at his fan sites. Afterall, you share a mindset with them.

It's the nature of the kind of free and open discourse I want to encourage on this site.
Posted by: Robert Cox at May 12, 2007 9:48 PM

Bob does allow Brandon to make posts here right? Again, nuance escapes the Queen of Hypocrites.

No, Confused, Bob's private emails are not in the OW archives...but Cecelia comments are here in the archives since OW started. OW gives her a reason to live. Brandon gives her a reason to be relevant (in her mind).

So Bob's private emails to Cecelia are in the Olbermannwatch archives? How is that possible?

Posted by: Confused at July 10, 2007 4:42 PM

Our Mr. C. is compiling a book of his own email in the archives. It's entitled, "So You Thought Reagan Missives Were Marvelous".

No, Confused, Bob's private emails are not in the OW archives...but Cecelia comments are here in the archives since OW started. OW gives her a reason to live. Brandon gives her a reason to be relevant (in her mind).

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 5:20 PM

And you give me the feeling of superiority. Thanks.... :D

Dictonary.com:
mi-sog-y-ny
--noun, hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women.

I would think, Olbermann's constant "slurs" against women may qualify him as a misogynist. Just because they are specific "slurs" directed at "specific" women does not it any less of a "misogynistic" attitude. I guess in your world people can be a "little bit" racist too. Take a break, hypocrite.

OW gives her a reason to live. Brandon gives her a reason to be relevant.
Posted by: at July 10, 2007 5:20 PM

And you give me the feeling of superiority. Thanks.... :D
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 5:25 PM

Why am not shocked by this admission. My, what sad and lonely life you have. Go hug your husband (not too hard, you may break his hip).

He called Rita dumber than rock
That's rich from a sniffer of jock
And Keith's Ph.D?
Communications Degree!
He's a journalist's laughing stock

Posted by: Katy Turic at July 8, 2007 10:11 PM

Kind of got lost in the comments, pretty funny, worth repeating. (re-posting)

I hope you enjoy reading all the idiotic fawnings of Olbermann's female fans at his fan sites. Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 5:18 PM

Tsk Tsk, Kind of rude to call Olbermann's female fans idiotic. Sounds like something a misogynist would say.

would think, Olbermann's constant "slurs" against women may qualify him as a misogynist. Just because they are specific "slurs" directed at "specific" women does not it any less of a "misogynistic" attitude. I guess in your world people can be a "little bit" racist too. Take a break, hypocrite.

Posted by: orginal point being... at July 10, 2007 5:26 PM

Now if you really wanted me to take a break, you wouldn't have engaged me, Einstein...

Olbermann insults other men as much as he insults other women. I don't like Olbermann, I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann, but that doesn't mean I'm going to buy a bogus charge based upon his calling Rita Cosby "dumb", or Paris or Britiney "tart".

Frankly, too, if you labeled as mysogynist every man who ever wooed a woman to get her into bed and then ran like hell after he had, you'd probably have to include most of the pop with a Y chromosome.

So I beg to differ with you on this, as difficult as that is for you...

Brandon went beyond calling Olbermann mysogynistic, he insulted Olbermann via another party and in a way that truly IS mysogynistic.

You look in a mirror. You'll see the hypocrite.

Now if you really wanted me to take a break, you wouldn't have engaged me, Einstein...Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 5:40 PM

Wow, what power we have over you...

Now if you really wanted me to take a break, you wouldn't have engaged me, Einstein...Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 5:40 PM

Wow, what power we have over you...

Posted by: at July 10, 2007 6:05 PM

Oh, yeah. I type, you respond by telling me not to rerspond, I'm completely under your spell... :D

Why do these threads (observations of Olbermann's sexism, etc.) always seem to turn into Cecelia Dramas? I guess you do not realize how idiotic you come off. Ignorance is bliss I guess, but you sure don't seem very blissful here.

The orginal post from the DU:

Olbermann has a nasty habit of making sexist, derogatory statements about female celebrities. The things he's said are shameful and should never have been uttered, let alone on television. While he is certainly not alone in his reprehensible treatment of women, Olbermann is widely admired by progressives; unlike other trashy gossip commentators, he must be held to progressive standards.

Olbermann has a nasty habit of making sexist, derogatory statements about female celebrities. The things he's said are shameful and should never have been uttered, let alone on television. While he is certainly not alone in his reprehensible treatment of women, Olbermann is widely admired by progressives; unlike other trashy gossip commentators, he must be held to progressive standards.

Posted by: Great Thanks at July 10, 2007 6:27 PM

Afraid not.... I don't solely hold people to their own standards in the way that you describe and certainly not to the standards of their admirers.

They usually meet those standards and mine my be more strigent.

I certainly don't turn around and embrace things that I feel are bogus, merely when it suits my case.

The personal has become political (certainly since Clinton). Like it or not, that horse has left the barn and is long gone.

Are those "progressive" standards anything like "conservative" standards. Funny change a few words from the DU post....

Olbermann is widely admired by progressives; unlike other trashy gossip commentators, he must be held to progressive standards.

O'Reilly is widely admired by conservatives; unlike other trashy gossip commentators, he must be held to conservative standards.

Just another thought before I'm done for the day...

Olbermann was really critized (by his fans) for his & Musto's ugly comments when Paris went to Jail. Quite a few critical posts at the Newshole. I do find it interesting that within the last month or so criticism of Olbermann is posted on his own blog. Is this just conservative fodder for the liberals? And why start now? So he can say he allows opposing views...just wondering.

Yikes, I just saw Cecelia's post with the word "standards" in it. Just so you know, I was responding to the original DU post from Great Thanks, not yours. I did not see yours, I do not want you to think I was responding to you. So please, no need to respond back to me. Purely accidental.

....these aren't the droids you're looking for..
:) night.

....these aren't the droids you're looking for..
:) night.

Posted by: STC at July 10, 2007 7:02 PM

Oh, yes you are...

So where is this proof that Cecelia says she has? Nothing I've seen posted from Bob Cox says what she says he said. It's pretty easy to say that someone told you something privately when you have no proof of what they told you. If he really felt that way I wouldn't see him allowing these posts at this website. I know Olbermann is a douche and know I know that Cecelia is full of shit.

So where is this proof that Cecelia says she has? Nothing I've seen posted from Bob Cox says what she says he said. It's pretty easy to say that someone told you something privately when you have no proof of what they told you. If he really felt that way I wouldn't see him allowing these posts at this website. I know Olbermann is a douche and know I know that Cecelia is full of shit.

Posted by: Proof? at July 10, 2007 7:13 PM

Scroll up, moron, and you'll see someone else combed the archive to find Bob saying just what I said he said both publicly and privately.

I've read what he said and what you said he said is not what he said and those posts prove it. You have a lot of gall to be calling someone a moron, idiot.

I've read what he said and what you said he said is not what he said and those posts prove it. You have a lot of gall to be calling someone a moron, idiot.

Posted by: Proof? at July 10, 2007 7:42 PM

Oh, well...

>>>>I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

Holy grey goose! Let's read that again.

>>>>I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

Aunt Jemimah's Bombay Safire!! There is no way someone should be able to say that without having some kind of epiphany. You clowns are busy attacking the one and only ANTI that isn't stark raving wingnut looneytoons, and she's busy trying to offer her kook bona fides so she can get back in your crazy-club.

>>>>I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

Sorry to repeat it, but honestly, if you people think it's possible for an honest concerned citizen to read past a sentence like that without making comment, you're crazier than you seem. Let's check the replay once again:

>>>>I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

Yup, that's what she said, and she meant it. Literally. How awful is that? But it's really way worse, if you contemplate the fact that Cecelia is actually the Stolichnaya at this site to your Belvadere and Captain Morgan. Her years and years of constantly detailing how she hates Olbermann is contrasted to the rest of the wingnut flotsam and jetsam by it's reasonableness and occassional glimmer of hope. The rest of this site's teaming masses don't even have a faint glimmer of a desire to be free. They embrace nothingness like Rosie Odonell embraces corndogs and fatstink.

I'm a sucker for charity cases, but it's increasingly clear that no amount of cajoling is going to trigger the kind of soul saving soul searching that I'm aiming at. I would have told you that if I could have gotten Cecelia to come to the realization that she's

>>>>...spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

my job would be done and she'd adopt an child who lost it's parents, and do something with thoses years and years, beyond detailing her dislike of a particular arrangement of phosphors. But no. Children go to bed hungry, scared and alone, and Cecelia marches on,

"detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,"

...oh, and golddigging her husband, according to you wasted lumps of flesh. That's rich. What a load of loserly scum you people are. The rest of you probably couldn't do anyting good with your lives anyway, and being here at least keeps you from drowning puppies in bleach or something. But if she can say that and still hang onto the obsession, she can't be helped either and may as well be some idiot like Brandon or that maddog guy whatsisname Kingpin or something. She may as well start a site to defend FoxNews. What kind of milquetoast freakyboy does that?

So anyway, either she's already cured and that was her last post, or a real lost cause. Hopefully, I played some small part in the crisis of conscience that caused Cecelia to acknowledge the truth. But where will she go from here? Sadly, no one will ever know.

>>>>I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

She's the best of you, people. And the truth is the truth, she's

>>>>spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

Repent!Repent. You don't enjoy being here, you mostly aren't good writers, your subject is moronic, no one else in the goddam world even knows who or what an Olbermann is, and your whole being is a lie. Repent! Reform! Do something.

Toodaloo. As always, I am Drunk, Waiting, Erie Bob Olberloon.

P.S. Mormons are insane.

Ps. correction they are not insane they are just confused and potentially dangerous, but useually harmless and very clean. What with the underwear and all.

And Global Warming is a plot by the UN to end NASCAR races and stamp 666 on all our foreheads. Discuss.

So anyway, either she's already cured and that was her last post, or a real lost cause. Hopefully, I played some small part in the crisis of conscience that caused Cecelia to acknowledge the truth. But where will she go from here? Sadly, no one will ever know.

>>>>I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

Posted by: The Angel Maroni at July 11, 2007 1:42 AM

Angel, rest assured. Cecelia will never leave OW. It is her life. WE do not want her to leave, she provides some of the most entertaining comments here. (She is as entertaining as any fangirl--except maybe orinenglish/Kathy who is a far better writer).

So rest assured, "our" Cecelia is here to stay. Just wait, she'll respond to this post, she can't help herself, thats one of the reasons we love her so much. :D

....these aren't the droids you're looking for..
:) night.
Posted by: STC at July 10, 2007 7:02 PM

Oh, yes you are...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 7:10 PM

Cecelia, really, the "droid" thing was just a joke---not meant at you, I was poking fun at myself from my comment above:

So please, no need to respond back to me. Purely accidental.
Posted by: STC at July 10, 2007 6:59 PM

I guess asking nicely, "no need to respond" isn't enough. I was trying to change the topic back to what the DU woman said:

The personal has become political (certainly since Clinton). Like it or not, that horse has left the barn and is long gone.

Are those "progressive" standards anything like "conservative" standards. Funny change a few words from the DU post....

Olbermann is widely admired by progressives; unlike other trashy gossip commentators, he must be held to progressive standards.

O'Reilly is widely admired by conservatives; unlike other trashy gossip commentators, he must be held to conservative standards.

Posted by: STC at July 10, 2007 6:50 PM

But in your usual fashion it seems more important for you to attack others (and have the last "word") verses discussing the overall point of the topic. Sad really. I kind of feel sorry for you.

So anyway, either she's already cured and that was her last post, or a real lost cause. Hopefully, I played some small part in the crisis of conscience that caused Cecelia to acknowledge the truth. But where will she go from here? Sadly, no one will ever know.

>>>>I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

She's the best of you, people. And the truth is the truth, she's

>>>>spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann,

Repent!Repent. You don't enjoy being here, you mostly aren't good writers, your subject is moronic, no one else in the goddam world even knows who or what an Olbermann is, and your whole being is a lie. Repent! Reform! Do something.

Toodaloo. As always, I am Drunk, Waiting, Erie Bob Olberloon.

Posted by: The Angel Maroni at July 11, 2007 1:42 AM

Well, it's sweet of you to worry about me,,....eh.... angel,... but I can multi-task. Oh, yeah.... reallly....

I'm able to gripe about Olbermann, insult Brandon and his mini-mes, change my elderly husband's diaper, transfer his fortune into my swiss account, chat on the phone, and paint my toenails ALL at the same time.

Now your crack about our writing skills did sting. When I'm not engaged in all the above, I'm the lead stringer for the AP and an editor at Publishing Weekly, so them was fightin' words you leveled there, EBO.

However, I'm going to take it in stride (and wish that smart and hilarious you hung out here a bit more often).

I'm the lead stringer for the AP and an editor at Publishing Weekly, so them was fightin' words you leveled there, EBO.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 12:44 PM

I love when people stupidly put personal information in blog comments (especially after they've taken such a beating)---I think that's what got her so much "attention" in the first place. Great Thanks!

Sweetheart, its waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too late to try and convince us you are an AP stringer & editor. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA Great Stuff! BTW: thanks for responding, we all knew you would, thanks again for the personal (certainly unbelievable) gem!

Sweetheart, its waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too late to try and convince us you are an AP stringer & editor. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA Great Stuff! BTW: thanks for responding, we all knew you would, thanks again for the personal (certainly unbelievable) gem!

Posted by: Great Thanks at July 11, 2007 12:58 PM

Gosh, even *I hadn't guessed how concrete and tone-deaf you are...

Damn it, I'm not drunk or waiting right now, and yet here I am, once again wringing my electronic hands over this hole in the internet.

"Now your crack about our writing skills did sting."

Obviously you were supposed to be the exception. But it's not fair because you get more practice, what with the years and years of detailing how you don't like Olbermann.

^ HUH?

(and wish that smart and hilarious you hung out here a bit more often).
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 12:44 PM

Gosh, even *I hadn't guessed how concrete and tone-deaf you are...
Posted by: at July 11, 2007 1:00 PM

When furiously typing an response, could you slow it down and make sense. (or better still, make a point).

Cecelia's comments from the Katy Tur Actual Photo's thread at OW:

Oh, come on! That woman is at least 30 years old!
Posted by: Cecelia at May 10, 2007 7:11 PM

Ahhhhh ageism....

When furiously typing an response, could you slow it down and make sense. (or better still, make a point).

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 2:45 PM

Heavens, no.

Obviously you were supposed to be the exception. But it's not fair because you get more practice, what with the years and years of detailing how you don't like Olbermann.
Posted by: Erie Bob as The Angel Maroni at July 11, 2007 2:40 PM

Oh but listen Bob, Our Miss Cecelia IS the exception:

BTW-- I forsee and look forward to the time, when some of the folks here commenting on Katy Turic, make other comments about Olbermann's "misogyny".

I will remember you and I will remind you.

Count on it. :D

Posted by: Cecelia at May 11, 2007 2:11 PM (Orginally from the Katy Tur Actual Photo's Thread).

Keeping us in line, thats our good little blog angel Cecelia. (She even used "Turic" verses the young woman's real last name, Tur). What a good little OW soldier she is! :D

I'd like for their to be two types of marriage ceremonies for straights as well as gays, with differing ensuant legal ramifications. I'd like there to be a civil one in which all the standards of our modern society apply, and one in which a stricter code is observed as well as a tougher standard for breaking the union.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 6:04 PM

Another little snapshot of Cecelia's double standards. BTW should be "I'd like for there..." not "I'd like for their..." But then again, you are the "editor at Publishing Weekly" HA!

Another little snapshot of Cecelia's double standards. BTW should be "I'd like for there..." not "I'd like for their..." But then again, you are the "editor at Publishing Weekly" HA!

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 6:02 PM

umm....look up "Publishing Weekly", Einstein.

(hint-- It doesn't exist...)

You're just too damn dumb and boring to argue with.

Honestly Cecelia, what exactly was it in the 6:02 post that makes you think the person who wrote it not only thinks PW exists, but thinks it would be cursed enough to have YOU as the editor?

Just another chance to insult someone who's obviously smarter than you, eh?

Anyone who routinely refers to others as 'Einstein' has some issues regarding their own perceived intellect.

Anyone who routinely refers to others as 'Einstein' has some issues regarding their own perceived intellect.

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 7:11 PM

Yet another sterling example of your "powers of perception"...when it comes to satire or sarcasm...

(or anything else)

>Yet another sterling example of your "powers of perception"...when it comes to satire or sarcasm...

(or anything else)

Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:23 PM

I'm not sure who you think I am...

But when you wear your neurosis on your sleeve, uncanny powers of perception are not necessary.

I take no joy in informing you that your posts here are some of the LEAST satirical and sarcastic on this site. But, having said that, when you dabble in the most cliche of sarcasm, it's a window into your soul. :D

Cheers!

Honestly Cecelia, what exactly was it in the 6:02 post that makes you think the person who wrote it not only thinks PW exists, but thinks it would be cursed enough to have YOU as the editor?

Just another chance to insult someone who's obviously smarter than you, eh?
Anyone who routinely refers to others as 'Einstein' has some issues regarding their own perceived intellect.
Posted by: at July 11, 2007 7:11 PM

Thanks fellow anon, trust me IRONY is completely escapes our Ms. Cecelia.

>Thanks fellow anon, trust me IRONY is completely escapes our Ms. Cecelia.

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 7:40 PM

True enough, but since she doesn't work and lives off her spouse's income, let's hope she knows all about IRONING, for her husband's sake.

I'm not sure who you think I am...

But when you wear your neurosis on your sleeve, uncanny powers of perception are not necessary.

I take no joy in informing you that your posts here are some of the LEAST satirical and sarcastic on this site. But, having said that, when you dabble in the most cliche of sarcasm, it's a window into your soul. :D

Cheers!

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 7:37 PM

Well, you're certainly an example that "uncanny powers of perception" aren't necessary. Afterall, you've made it to the point of knowing how to operate a computer with little to none...

Oh, and you need some windex and some understanding beyond having scanned Psychology For Dummies.

(To Cecelia)
But when you wear your neurosis on your sleeve, uncanny powers of perception are not necessary. Posted by: at July 11, 2007 7:37 PM

Great thanks, great point 7:37pm I guess the "HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA" got lost on her as well.

Great thanks, great point 7:37pm I guess the "HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHA" got lost on her as well.

Posted by: Great Thanks at July 11, 2007 7:50 PM

Are you kidding, Cement Sally!

It was the REAL "personal gem"... :D

(certainly unbelievable) gem!
Posted by: Great Thanks at July 11, 2007 12:58 PM

You have to sit back and marvel at how dense Cecelia is. She is terrific, to see such cluelessness keep on keeping on. You go girl! Your comments are the best comic relief for this board!

You have to sit back and marvel at how dense Cecelia is. She is terrific, to see such cluelessness keep on keeping on. You go girl! Your comments are the best comic relief for this board!

Posted by: Great Thanks at July 11, 2007 8:08 PM

If clueless functions as comic relief then the Great Thanks is all ours to you...

True enough, but since she doesn't work and lives off her spouse's income, let's hope she knows all about IRONING, for her husband's sake.
Posted by: at July 11, 2007 7:48 PM

LMAO! I think I love you, fellow anon, (or at least like you a whole lot)!

True enough, but since she doesn't work and lives off her spouse's income, let's hope she knows all about IRONING, for her husband's sake.
Posted by: at July 11, 2007 7:48 PM

LMAO! I think I love you, fellow anon, (or at least like you a whole lot)!

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 8:17 PM

pppssttt....he only wants you to do his ironing...

BTW-- I forsee and look forward to the time, when some of the folks here commenting on Katy Turic, make other comments about Olbermann's "misogyny".
I will remember you and I will remind you.
Count on it. :D
Posted by: Cecelia at May 11, 2007 2:11 PM (Orginally from the Katy Tur Actual Photo's Thread).

Welcome to Cecelia's version of AC360 "keep 'em honest" Hey, Cement Cecelia, this ain't no CNN or "publishing weekly" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!

THIS IS OLBERMANN WATCH where our Ms Cecelia says, "I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann."

THIS IS OLBERMANN WATCH where our Ms Cecelia says, "I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann."

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 8:41 PM

And where you're here detailing little ole me... :D

pppssttt....he only wants you to do his ironing...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 8:29 PM

Funny, perhaps your maid "services" YOUR husband, you seem very very "busy" here. :D

"I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann." says Cecelia

Funny, perhaps your maid "services" YOUR husband, you seem very very "busy" here. :D

"I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann." says Cecelia

Posted by: at July 11, 2007 8:51 PM

Only on Mondays and Wednesdays. Good help's hard to find...

Only on Mondays and Wednesdays. Good help's hard to find...
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 11:09 PM

Poor man, you here a lot more than Mondays and Wednesdays...at least he gets something, two days is better than nothing. :D (the insults seem nicer with a smiley face).

Poor man, you here a lot more than Mondays and Wednesdays...at least he gets something, two days is better than nothing. :D (the insults seem nicer with a smiley face).

Posted by: at July 12, 2007 2:12 PM

Well, okay, you can come on Tues and Thurs too.

^yawn.

^yawn.

Posted by: at July 12, 2007 2:21 PM

GOOD one!.... (sarcasm-- look it up...)

...oh, and golddigging her husband, according to you wasted lumps of flesh. That's rich. What a load of loserly scum you people are. The rest of you probably couldn't do anyting good with your lives anyway, and being here at least keeps you from drowning puppies in bleach or something. But if she can say that and still hang onto the obsession, she can't be helped either and may as well be some idiot like Brandon or that maddog guy whatsisname Kingpin or something. She may as well start a site to defend FoxNews. What kind of milquetoast freakyboy does that? Posted by: The Angel Maroni at July 11, 2007 1:42 AM

Too bad Cecelia doesn't see the irony in this. Aaaahhhh, but to be the Queen of OW....:D (Cecelia's blisfully happy here).

I don't like Olbermann, I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann...Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 5:40 PM

Too bad Cecelia doesn't see the irony in this. Aaaahhhh, but to be the Queen of OW....:D (Cecelia's blisfully happy here).

I don't like Olbermann, I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann...Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 5:40 PM

Posted by: at July 12, 2007 2:54 PM

So you're trying to use the words of a man who stated that he thinks I could be doing better things, but that you can't....

Now THAT'S irony.... :D

Cecelia's first post: (refers to OW music)

Get rid of it!
Or else replace it with an impeccable groove like Undisputed Truth's "Smiling Faces" or "Mr BIg Stuff" by Jean Knight.
Posted by Cecelia at December 31, 2004 11:41 AM

Yeah, nothing like spending your holiday at OW. :D

I don't like Olbermann, I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann...Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 5:40 PM

Yeah, nothing like spending your holiday at OW. :D Posted by: at July 12, 2007 3:09 PM

That anything like "Holiday in Cambodia...." sung by the Dead Kennedys?

Now THAT'S irony.... :D
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:02 PM

I think she almost gets it! :D

Yeah, nothing like spending your holiday at OW. :D

I don't like Olbermann, I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann...Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 5:40 PM

Posted by: at July 12, 2007 3:09 PM

Again, with the riony. You're combing the archives for old posts from me, and bothering to cut and paste in an effort to proof that *I am obsessed.

Let me make it easy for you, while my obsession is a guy who has an audience, a tv show, and an excellent blogsite dedicated to fisking him.... your's seem be just me.. :D

You're just too damn dumb and boring to argue with.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 6:32 PM

Here comes the responses AFTER being "bored" with me:

Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:23 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:49 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:58 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 8:16 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 8:29 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 8:44 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 11:09 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 2:16 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 2:23 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:02 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:17 PM

You're just too damn dumb and boring to argue with.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 6:32 PM

Here comes the responses AFTER being "bored" with me:

Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:23 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:49 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 7:58 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 8:16 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 8:29 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 8:44 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 11, 2007 11:09 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 2:16 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 2:23 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:02 PM
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:17 PM

Posted by: :D at July 12, 2007 3:29 PM

So I unlike your mother, I keep hoping you'll improve. :D

You're combing the archives for old posts from me...Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:17 PM

Since:
"I don't like Olbermann, I've spent several years here detailing how I don't' like Olbermann..."Posted by: Cecelia at July 10, 2007 5:40 PM
finding your "first" comment here didn't take much combing.

"an excellent blogsite dedicated to fisking him...." Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:17 PM
----Nice A$$ kissing :D

an excellent blogsite dedicated to fisking him...." Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:17 PM
----Nice A$$ kissing :D

Posted by: :D at July 12, 2007 3:34 PM

Here's your brand of logic we so know and enjoy--

I'm supposed to not thnk highly of a blogsite where I spend so much time...

So I unlike your mother, I keep hoping you'll improve. :D
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:33 PM

Like shootin' fish in a barrel. Great Thanks your concern and continued obsessive NEED to have the last word---long taking the thread off topic (nice tatic you always employ when taking a beating)---is what I find sooooooooo entertaining.

Well see ya tomorrow. I'm kind of bored with you. Funny...no actually..IRONIC. :D

Like shootin' fish in a barrel. Great Thanks your concern and continued obsessive NEED to have the last word---long taking the thread off topic (nice tatic you always employ when taking a beating)---is what I find sooooooooo entertaining.

Well see ya tomorrow. I'm kind of bored with you. Funny...no actually..IRONIC. :D

Posted by: :D at July 12, 2007 3:42 PM

You got it. I eat this with a spoon. Thank you for being such a willing -- if too easy--- patsy. :D

Cecelia's comments from the Katy Tur Actual Photo's thread at OW:
Oh, come on! That woman is at least 30 years old!
Posted by: Cecelia at May 10, 2007 7:11 PM

Ahhhhh ageism....
Posted by: at July 11, 2007 2:53 PM

Ahhhhh ageism....
Posted by: at July 11, 2007 2:53 PM

Posted by: now back to ONE of the original points at July 12, 2007 3:50 PM

I see your understanding of the meaning of ageism is as keen as your understanding of the term misogyny.

Let me put that in terms you'll grasp-- ageism is NOT saying that a particular woman looks older than her chronological age.

>Again, with the riony. You're combing the archives for old posts from me, and bothering to cut and paste in an effort to proof that *I am obsessed.

This IRONIC endeavor is shockingly similar to Cox, Dollar's, etc's practice of stooping to Olbermann's level to illustrate exactly how low Olbermann stoops.

OW is nothing if not 'Ironic.'

Actually, to be more specific, imperical evidence shows it to be made up of about 1/2 Irony and 1/2 Nothing.

I'll let each one of you decide what side you fall on....you are all fairly adept at choosing sides.

OW is nothing if not 'Ironic.'

Actually, to be more specific, imperical evidence shows it to be made up of about 1/2 Irony and 1/2 Nothing.

I'll let each one of you decide what side you fall on....you are all fairly adept at choosing sides.

Posted by: Bush isn't Evil and Cheney ain't Dumb at July 12, 2007 4:09 PM

Which side knows you can't quantify "nothing"?

Which side knows you can't quantify "nothing"?

Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 4:15 PM

I think you just did...

I think you just did...

Posted by: at July 12, 2007 4:41 PM

The side you aren't on....got it... :D

Cecelia's comments from the Katy Tur Actual Photo's thread at OW:
Oh, come on! That woman is at least 30 years old!
Posted by: Cecelia at May 10, 2007 7:11 PM

Let me put that in terms you'll grasp-- ageism is NOT saying that a particular woman looks older than her chronological age.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 12, 2007 3:58 PM

In the context of THIS site & THAT thread, I beg to differ. But you have long ago failed to comprehend the obvious.
I'll take your advice (which you seem unable to follow). "You're just too damn dumb and boring to argue with." Adios.