Spc. Vassell, 2nd Platoon Apache Company Strykers:

"We're supposed to be on the way home right now. We were supposed to be flying home in six days. Six days. But because we have people up there in Congress with the brain of a two-year old who don't know what they're doing. They don't experience it. I, I challenge the President or whoever has us here for fifteen months to ride along, alongside me. I'll do another fifteen months if he comes out here and rides along with me every day for fifteen months. I'll do fifteen more months. They don't even have to pay me extra. I just want him to come out here and ride with me another fifteen months."

I would like to see Sen Lindsay Graham - perhaps the President's only remaining Republican war-supporter - react to this invitation. He brags about his several day-trips to the Green Zone as war-zone experience, but he has no idea what he is talking about.

I hope its not too presumptuous of me to extend Spc Vassell's invitation to the unelected sycophants here at OW - cee, royalking, Cox, Dollar, Schatz, etc.

Bob Schieffer just pointed out that the Iraqi parliment is taking a month off due to 130 degree summer temperatures in Bagdhad, but that our soldiers are still there under extreme stress in full battle gear. Interestingly, I don't see Graham, Lieberamann, or McCain planning any of their field-trip photo-ops this season either.

Great time to start a surge though - that "political follow-up" coming behind the "surge" is going to have to wait at least a month until the climate ameliorates to the preferrences of people wearing silk suits.

Please note that neither of the Bobs -- Costas or Daily News coumnist Raissman -- are conservatives, so if Keith manages to loose canon his way out of this job, with or without the assistance of Costas, it's going to be a liberal on liberal battle (or, in this case, sane left vs. moonbat-land left).

Thank you to John who gets it correct yet again and manages to stay on topic while commenting.

Olby has had a difficult enough time making it to the studio for 1 hour of Dan's show, let alone trying to broadcast during all 3 hours. I can't believe Olby thinks we buy his ridiculous fable that ESPN wants him to take over the show. Dan himself said the only reason that ESPN allowed Olby on the radio show was because DP took personal responsibility for our pal's (crazy) behavior. Olby said because of his past experience at ESPN he is not allowed to set foot in the Bristol, Conn., corporate office. Apparently, people there still hate him. And ESPN is owned by ABC. Why would NBC, with whom Olby has a contract to do sports broadcasts, allow him to have his own sports radio show on a rival network?

Why do you care what my name ,
Why do you care about a dead Muslim?

Why,

I read that story also. I don't research endlessly for that ONE soldier. The two that came to the board (one live, other gave permission to copy his e-mail response) have links on their web sites and commenters just as other websites do. You obviously never looked at them. Maybe I missed your response about Haditha? It wouldn't be unheard of for someone to commit a crime as the result of stress and/or brain injury. I'll watch for the outcome just as you. It sounds like some kind of mental incapacity defense.
You need to take some lessons from Truth for debating skills. Why don't you go back to riding RK's ass? He seems to give you what you come here for better than I can. I am quite boring. You, Bob, and AAP can huddle together to come up with some more material.

Wow! single digit numb nuts must have givin' up already. Had to change the subject this fast?

A.C.C.S.

S.L.O.B.

NO! WE REALLY DON'T GIVE A F**K.

What is it with you guys? Are you the triple single digit A.D.D. crew tonight?

What's the thread at the top of the page?

I'm begining to think all three of you live in the same basement.

Now to THE TOPIC AT HAND.

I've seen Costas off camera at a superbowl way back when, rip into Larry King.

Let's get one thing straight. Dopey taking over the radio show? A guy that is banned from the ESPN campus? Yeah right.

" It wouldn't be unheard of for someone to commit a crime as the result of stress and /or brain injury."

Hummmm! Brain Injury. Three basement dwellers come to mind.

There's been a rumor flying around that Dan is going to take over the Morning Slot at WFAN. Which would mean he's going to work for CBS.

Now I wish I could have said something about the Fat Ass interview with Blimpo but I turned it off after about five minutes. It was pathetic.

Plus why would I believe anything having to do anything about health care, from two VERY unhealthy looking people?

I mean was Moore a walking advertisement for 'Little Debbie' Snack Cakes or what?

Oh by the way I saw a poll today in that evil 'New York Post'.

positive ratings:

Bush 33%

Congress: 24%

Congrats Nancy, You just tied the record for worst Congress ever!

Olby is just wishing Patrick will come over to NBC. So he can ride his coatails again.

Olby taking over Dan's radio slot. It ain't gona happen but I'd like to see it so I could see Dopey get pounded in the ratings dept. on the radio side.

Germany had that Gerbels dude.

Japan had Tokyo Rose

Iraq had Bhagdad Bob

Hillary and MSDNC has Dopey.

Ya know, Stupid can't even make it as a third rate propagandist.

And he thinks he is going to take over Dan's spot? This dim bulb belongs in a basement.

Why not? His ratings are already there!

Sharon, you didn't miss comments from nobody cares on the Haditha Hoax because he made none. I made two posts when the story first broke weeks ago and NOBODY commented on it from either side that I noticed.

Anon,

The Early Church Fathers believed that the Catholic Church was the one true Church.

Ignatius of Antioch

Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

In like manner let everyone respect the deacons as they would respect Jesus Christ, and just as they respect the bishop as a type of the Father, and the presbyters as the council of God and college of the apostles. Without these, it cannot be called a Church. I am confident that you accept this, for I have received the exemplar of your love and have it with me in the person of your bishop. His very demeanor is a great lesson and his meekness is his strength. I believe that even the godless do respect him (Letter to the Trallians 3:1-2 [A. D. 110]).

The Martyrdom of Polycarp

When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath (The Martyrdom of Polycarp 8 [A.D. 110]).

Irenaeus

The Catholic Church possesses one and the same faith throughout the whole world, as we have already said (Against Heresies 1:10 [A.D. 189]).
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Matthew 16:18,

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

ESPN is a noted house of ill repute' with sexual harrasment suit on top of suit on top of suit....god help you if your a woman wrking at ESPN in Bristol....Olbermann learned his douchey sexual entendre' from being at ESPN....My thinking is they dont want Olbermann in Bristol because they may have to turn on him there catch a predator style

Oh btw, I work in the sports industry and I know for a personal fact Costas has blown his stack sky high at the thought of Olber douche intruding on his set

they dont want Olbermann in Bristol because they may have to turn on him there catch a predator style

I guess you mean candid camera set up?

But Dan, the loons always claim that according to the ESPN (tell all) book, Olbermann was the DEFENDER of woman. He helped them and encouraged them to start lawsuits against ESPN. Maybe thats the reason they don't want him around? Wonder which is the REAL story.

We should stop with the "predator" and Olbermann dates "children" comments---His girlfriend IS 23 years old. Granted a 49 year old man dating a 23 year old DOES have that letchy-creepy gold-digging feeling, but she is a constenting adult.
(I do look forward to the day she realizes what an old fart he is, that will be a glorious day witnessing the meltdown of his massive ego).

If you watch Olbermann show on a nightly basis then you would be able to see that his nightly diatribes against women are very close to the same things one would hear in a lockeroom

There is no organization that has more of a locker room mentality against women than that of ESPN

Hey look again, this site is dedicated to those who Hate Keith Olbermann,,,,,

There was nobody more MEMEMEMEME at ESPN than Keef

And no, I meant catch a predator style, but your interpretation works also, ha

Speaking of diatribes, I'm fully expecting Keith to go off, either on the Dan Patrick Show or on "Countdown" tonight, on the interview ESPN's Karl Ravich had on baseball with George Bush that was broadcast by the network on Sunday (Bush not only had the temerity to declare Barry Bonds innocent until proven guilty, but he refused to admit he personally injected steroids into Rafael Palmerio, Pudge Rodriguez and Juan Gonzalez while he was owner of the Texas Rangers).

"Why do you care what my name is at".

Spoken like a true loser, appeasing liberal from the comfy and safety of his single wide trailer he shoots his mouth off criticizing soldiers while he has trouble coping with life here in the US.

You sir, are a friggin loser. Feel free to join up in the Marines (they aint looing for chicken shits, they weed out puss's like you the first week of boot) or move to Venuzuela or Iran or Cuba or Darfur.

Matthew 16:18,

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Posted by: Sharon at July 16, 2007 8:30 AM

I'm just an ole Presbyterian, but if you and the Pope believe that the Catholic Church is THE Church in which God's fullness rests, I'm down with that.

I don't mean I'm down with it because I agree with you, but I'm down with it in the sense that I don't expect, desire, or insist that anyone of any religion, philosophy, or ideology say the idiotic and self-immolating statement --- "Your myth is as good as my myth"...

What I do expect folks to say is "I'm right! You're dead damn dumb wrong. However, I'll champion your right to elucidate your ideas within the public square."

God bless the Pope with long life and service.

Cheers

Olbermann testified on behalf of those women in those sexual harassment suits at ESPN because it was his way of getting even with ESPN. He was pissed off with them and that was a good way to enact his revenge. He then told his story in the book written about ESPN to make himself out to be a hero. That was the book that really burned his bridges at ESPN because people inside KNEW that he'd been just as guilty of sexual harassment as other employees but was just lucky enough not to ever get named in a suit about it. And the Krazy Keith fans take this as evidence he's a great defender of women, despite his constant and near nightly smears of them on-air. Some have gotten wise to him and his hypocritical ways but some of them are just so desperate to make him a hero they ignore the mountains of evidence against him.

Sir Loin, your post is off topic and you are posting something as a rebuttal where you got your ass handed to you so you drudged it back up. Grow up you damned whiney assed baby.

You are a friggin idiot. Do you think the world, politicians or the military walk in-step with our President. This is liberal 101. Not everyone will be a team player. Not every soldier will want to be in Iraq. There is always going to be a whiner. I served in the military and there will be some that bitch.

Look at yourself. Your life is a pile of shit. You are by yourself. The highlight of your day is to be on this board or any number of other boards numbering in the 40's that you frequent becasue you have nothing to do but whine. Who wants to be around a friggin sour puss like you. I see asshats like you all the time. It's assholes like you as to why teams fail. You are nothing more than a whiney assed finger pointer.

It's people like you that I know there is a God. We are seeing the Prophecy of the Bible being revealed to us day by day. Quick hide under your bed. Boooooooooooo.

Soon, they will knock your door down (without a search warrant and could care less about your rights) and drag your ass out of your trailer. You will bow down as a appeaser and have the mark of the beast tattooed to your head and you will like it.

Get in line sheep, your are heding for slaughter.

Keith fans take this as evidence he's a great defender of women, despite his constant and near nightly smears of them on-air. Some have gotten wise to him and his hypocritical ways but some of them are just so desperate to make him a hero they ignore the mountains of evidence against him.

Posted by: The REAL Truth at July 16, 2007 1:43 PM

Yeah, all those mountains of Paris Hilton and Anne Coulter jokes pile up...

Oh, the humanity....

That was the book that really burned his bridges at ESPN because people inside KNEW that he'd been just as guilty of sexual harassment as other employees but was just lucky enough not to ever get named in a suit about it. Posted by: The REAL Truth at July 16, 2007 1:43 PM

Thanks, REAL Truth for this plausible explanation. Seeing his awkward "on-air" flirtation with the Porn Star, I can see how he could be just as inept at "sexual harrassment" at ESPN (and not get named in a suit). Pretty smart of him though to get out in front of something that ESPN would not want too widely known that he is no different.

With the Karmabites thing, rumors of "stalking" (and his own admission of stalking---hiring a PI to find a former teacher he had a crush on), good thing he's steady with the 20-something "freelance producer", he should pay her way more than what he currently pays her.

Thanks, REAL Truth for this plausible explanation. Seeing his awkward "on-air" flirtation with the Porn Star, I can see how he could be just as inept at "sexual harrassment" at ESPN (and not get named in a suit). Pretty smart of him though to get out in front of something that ESPN would not want too widely known that he is no different.

With the Karmabites thing, rumors of "stalking" (and his own admission of stalking---hiring a PI to find a former teacher he had a crush on), good thing he's steady with the 20-something "freelance producer", he should pay her way more than what he currently pays her.

Posted by: at July 16, 2007 2:04 PM

Why?

Yeah, all those mountains of Paris Hilton and Anne Coulter jokes pile up...
Oh, the humanity....
Posted by: Cecelia at July 16, 2007 1:56 PM

Sometimes it would be nice if you could just not comment (for your own sake). You constantly show your odd and ugly "pick & choose" racism/sexism/elitism (prejudice). I'm sure I'll get an "eyeful" with your needy need to respond. Type away sweets, I'm out of here for the rest of the day...yawn.

Sometimes it would be nice if you could just not comment (for your own sake). You constantly show your odd and ugly "pick & choose" racism/sexism/elitism (prejudice). I'm sure I'll get an "eyeful" with your needy need to respond. Type away sweets, I'm out of here for the rest of the day...yawn.

Posted by: Chicken Blogger IV at July 16, 2007 2:21 PM

Perhaps I just reserve the right for people to make Hillary and Nancy Pelosi jokes without opportunistic idiots calling that sexist...

So you'll be out here and stupid for the next 24 hours... what else is new?

Cecelia,

I was going to elaborate on my comment but didn't want to get annoying; it is also way off thread. The anon made it sound as if Benedict XVI was the first to claim that salvation comes through the Catholic Church. I just copied some statements from the second century to proves otherwise. The document to which he referred is the moto propio making the Traditional Mass more accesible. Some were angry because there is a strong prayer seeking the conversion of Jews on Good Friday (I can't remember the exact line but removing the veil of ignornace or something; I'll look it up later for my own satisfaction). In the current Novus Ordo Good Friday service, there is a prayer petition for the conversion of Jews but written in a softer tone. I do believe that salvation comes from the graces of the Catholic Church but that does not necessarily mean you have to be Catholic to get to heaven. If you do, it is through the graces of the church established by Jesus Christ. A pagan who never heard of Christ can be saved if he follows God's law written in the heart of men to the best of his ability. (I used to be Methodist.) I don't know the status of anyone's soul (except those canonized). Enough of that. I didn't want to sound offensive but couldn't help responding to someone calling Pope Benedict a crude name. Cheers back!

If you do, it is through the graces of the church established by Jesus Christ. A pagan who never heard of Christ can be saved if he follows God's law written in the heart of men to the best of his ability. (I used to be Methodist.) I don't know the status of anyone's soul (except those canonized). Enough of that. I didn't want to sound offensive but couldn't help responding to someone calling Pope Benedict a crude name. Cheers back!

Posted by: Sharon at July 16, 2007 2:31 PM

I'm so glad you responded to the slur on the Pope!

You weren't offensive at all!

Olbermann is also the same guy who when Imus was fired, brought up some secreatary who was harrassed by imus in some lame attempt to inject himself into the story as if he has a role in getting Imus removed

Again those who disagree remember the wbsites name is Olbermann watch, we watch Olbermann and call him out

Olbermann is also the same guy who when Imus was fired, brought up some secreatary who was harrassed by imus in some lame attempt to inject himself into the story as if he has a role in getting Imus removed

Again those who disagree remember the wbsites name is Olbermann watch, we watch Olbermann and call him out

Posted by: DAN at July 16, 2007 2:40 PM

There's a difference between calling him out for what we did--- kick a colleague in every way that he could when the colleague was already down ( and in the way he did NOT when the colleague wasn't in trouble with the network).... and in calling him out for something we have no evidence that he did (sexually harrass someone at ESPN)....

Oh Cecilia your breaking my heart,,,,ha
My point tied back to what I wrote earlier about espn's locker room mentality, olbermanns somewhat creepy lockeroom mentality is all born from espn

Oh Cecilia your breaking my heart,,,,ha
My point tied back to what I wrote earlier about espn's locker room mentality, olbermanns somewhat creepy lockeroom mentality is all born from espn

Posted by: DAN at July 16, 2007 3:01 PM

So now you're saying we should be called "ESPN Watch"....

Again this site is called OLBERMANN WATCH which means we watch this giant pumpkin head across any means that he chooses to place himself on :)

Cecelia,

I don't like the direction the courts seem to be taking on the issue of the internet and the creation of public figures, even for limited purposes. The question of KO and sexual harassment is not a private matter. If he has some issues, he won't be able to hide them forever. A male harasser will not necessarily attack every woman in his path. KO will slip up in a big way if he truly is a harasser. I really think O'Reilly was set up in the sexual harassment case that he settled, but he let that happen. I don't have any sympathy for him. I saw two interviews with her (Andrea Mackris sp.?) and she didn't answer to my satisfaction for me to believe that she was not out to make a buck. I think O'Reilly was so ashamed of that secretly recorded call that he paid out the wazoo to keep that tape out of the limelight. With KO, if there is a choice between bashing Bush or bashing a female, there is no question in my mind who will get the bashing (the former). KO did seem to get quite the thrill out of making Condy Rice look bad in the past. Is he really an equal opportunity harasser? I don't know. He doesn't have very many women as guests for the serious aspects of his show.

Again this site is called OLBERMANN WATCH which means we watch this giant pumpkin head across any means that he chooses to place himself on :)

Posted by: DAN at July 16, 2007 3:14 PM

What you and the chickenblogger are doing isn't "watching".... it's the equivalent of opining that Neil Cavuto is a sexual predator because he insults Hillary and works at a network where someone elsee (Bill O'Reilly) was accused of sexual harrassment.

Sharon- You are a smart lady, well said and well done

Cecelia,

I don't like the direction the courts seem to be taking on the issue of the internet and the creation of public figures, even for limited purposes. The question of KO and sexual harassment is not a private matter. If he has some issues, he won't be able to hide them forever. A male harasser will not necessarily attack every woman in his path. KO will slip up in a big way if he truly is a harasser. I really think O'Reilly was set up in the sexual harassment case that he settled, but he let that happen. I don't have any sympathy for him. I saw two interviews with her (Andrea Mackris sp.?) and she didn't answer to my satisfaction for me to believe that she was not out to make a buck. I think O'Reilly was so ashamed of that secretly recorded call that he paid out the wazoo to keep that tape out of the limelight. With KO, if there is a choice between bashing Bush or bashing a female, there is no question in my mind who will get the bashing (the former). KO did seem to get quite the thrill out of making Condy Rice look bad in the past. Is he really an equal opportunity harasser? I don't know. He doesn't have very many women as guests for the serious aspects of his show.

Posted by: Sharon at July 16, 2007 3:26 PM

Sharon,

Are you equating bashing a female political opponent with sexual harrassing somone?

We all harrass political opponents here all the time, in that we insult them...their intellingence, their station in life --- "mom's basement apartment", their imagined looks-- "fat ass", "geek", "old", etc... that is not the same as sexual harrassment.

Sorry I wasn't clear on that. If KO is a harasser of women and there is a case where he would have a choice between harassing a female (for whatever reason men have that need) or to bash Bush, his hatred of Bush would override. In the case of Condy, both aspects are there. So if he gets off on harassing women, he hit pay dirt. (I can demean both!) This would not result in a case of harassment of course, just merely pointing out the mentality. I do find it odd that he has no female regulars on for the politics.

I'll give a better explanation later (in a rush). To the dentist for one of the kids!

And Cecelia is an idiot who proves she's become a diehard Olbermann fan with her rambling and incoherent posts here. At least she's been unmasked as the double agent she truly is.

Cecelia! .... So now they're calling YOU a "diehard Olbermann fan"!

I never knew....you hid it well!

Sir Loin, your post is off topic and you are posting something as a rebuttal where you got your ass handed to you so you drudged it back up. Grow up you damned whiney assed baby.

You are a friggin idiot. Do you think the world, politicians or the military walk in-step with our President. This is liberal 101. Not everyone will be a team player. Not every soldier will want to be in Iraq. There is always going to be a whiner. I served in the military and there will be some that bitch.

Look at yourself. Your life is a pile of shit. You are by yourself. The highlight of your day is to be on this board or any number of other boards numbering in the 40's that you frequent becasue you have nothing to do but whine. Who wants to be around a friggin sour puss like you. I see asshats like you all the time. It's assholes like you as to why teams fail. You are nothing more than a whiney assed finger pointer.

It's people like you that I know there is a God. We are seeing the Prophecy of the Bible being revealed to us day by day. Quick hide under your bed. Boooooooooooo.

Soon, they will knock your door down (without a search warrant and could care less about your rights) and drag your ass out of your trailer. You will bow down as a appeaser and have the mark of the beast tattooed to your head and you will like it.

Get in line sheep, your are heding for slaughter.

Posted by: Laura Bush at July 16, 2007 1:48 PM

I might answer or respond; if I could figure out what the hell this psycho is saying.

It's assholes like you as to why teams fail.
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This from the woman whose "mission" is literacy. I'm not sure this is even English. But, what can you expect from an SMU graduate?

Hey, CBS just featured SPc Vassell, who's embittered quote/challenge I posted this morning; to no response whatsoever. I am particularly interested in the feelings that Sharon might have regarding this startling CBS report, which presents to America the angry sense of abandonment and lack of direction of an entire unit of overstressed, over-deployed soldiers.

Here is my previous post:

Spc. Vassell, 2nd Platoon Apache Company Strykers:

"We're supposed to be on the way home right now. We were supposed to be flying home in six days. Six days. But because we have people up there in Congress with the brain of a two-year old who don't know what they're doing. They don't experience it. I, I challenge the President or whoever has us here for fifteen months to ride along, alongside me. I'll do another fifteen months if he comes out here and rides along with me every day for fifteen months. I'll do fifteen more months. They don't even have to pay me extra. I just want him to come out here and ride with me another fifteen months."

I would like to see Sen Lindsay Graham - perhaps the President's only remaining Republican war-supporter - react to this invitation. He brags about his several day-trips to the Green Zone as war-zone experience, but he has no idea what he is talking about.

I hope its not too presumptuous of me to extend Spc Vassell's invitation to the unelected sycophants here at OW - cee, royalking, Cox, Dollar, Schatz, etc.

Bob Schieffer just pointed out that the Iraqi parliment is taking a month off due to 130 degree summer temperatures in Bagdhad, but that our soldiers are still there under extreme stress in full battle gear. Interestingly, I don't see Graham, Lieberamann, or McCain planning any of their field-trip photo-ops this season either.

Great time to start a surge though - that "political follow-up" coming behind the "surge" is going to have to wait at least a month until the climate ameliorates to the preferrences of people wearing silk suits.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at July 15, 2007 12:15 PM

Because Democratic administrations NEVER waste money do they there "name"?

Did anyone see the CBS report I mentioned above? It detailed the slaying of a man who turned out to be a cab-driver who was looking for a client, and who missed or ignored the American troops' orders to stop his vehicle.

Not the dead guy's fault; not the troops' fault; not the cab-client's fault; not the CBS reporter's fault; not Michael Moore's fault, not CLinton's fault...and not my, Mike's, Truth's or AAP's fault.

This tragedy, and reportedly dozens like it every month, is the fault of a meaningless occupation that has destroyed any type of order or safety in Iraq. It's the fault of Bush and his gang.

No particulars because I would have to research it and right now I don't have the time nor could I come up with the particulars in time to make the point pertinent.

How did Senator Truman make his national presence felt before becoming FDR's VP nominee and then the most obscure delegated to the janitor's broom closet Vice President?

Could it have been heading the Senate investigation of war related fraud and, dare we say the word, war profiteering?

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Grammie

We should hang Bill Oreilly ... til he is dead... and then make sure he really is dead by slitting his throat multiple times.

How did Senator Truman make his national presence felt before becoming FDR's VP nominee and then the most obscure delegated to the janitor's broom closet Vice President?

Could it have been heading the Senate investigation of war related fraud and, dare we say the word, war profiteering?

The more things change the more they stay the same.

Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at July 16, 2007 8:51 PM

Perhaps Truman did disappear as VP, after wrecking havoc among the infant MIC with his denunciations of war-profiteering as "treason"; but happily the President at the time, President Franklin D. Roosevelt said:

"I don't want to see a single war millionaire created in the United States as a result of this disaster." - and his legislation and record proves he meant it.

The successor of these two had this to say:

"Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed."
-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, April 16, 1953

--and he later expounded on these feelings in his harsh jermiad regarding the "corrosive influence of the military Industrial Complex".

No, you are terribly wrong - things do change, and often for the worse. There is not a corporate lot-fed front-runner of either party today who would state such clear truths.

What Ike was saying was that the rapid demand of war-time materiel represents incredible potential for profits - as Orwell illustrated so well, the products required in war are made simply to be destroyed, and then more are required - and that those who stand to make such profits should be kept far from the policy-making centers of our government.

Well, they now are our government. You defend this situation? I am appalled.

Marine General Smedley Butler demanded that military industrial potential and capital be made subject to "draft" during war-time, just like the lives of our young men were subject at that time.

But today we have no draft - we have a volunteer force, the voluntary nature of which is constantly cited by war-mongers to defend the exploitation and over-deployment of these brave citizens. Hell, more than one of you drowning-rats has used this dodge in the past few days alone. We have the war-profiteers sitting down with the war-planners and the war-sellers to lower the taxes of the profiteers and to ensure endless "markets" (i.e. invasons and occupations of decrepit banana-republics) to keep our money, and the resources of the conquered, flowing into their coffers - all the better to buy more politicians with!

Sir L,

There are too many threads for me to keep track of. Here is a partial comment of mine from one of them to Truth:

I completely agree that the troops cannot make any more of these extended tours without rest and if I am wrong about a phased withdrawal, then there should be a draft. Webb's proposal should come into play, soon. (about the rest). What has to be accomplished is so complicated but I disagree that nothing has been accomplished. You can call me the names that have been thrown at me for that opinion, but you'll have to apply them to people like CJ Grisham and Master Gunner. I am not speaking for them regarding withdrawal or a future draft, just in the number of successful missions they have reported and their general outlook.

Posted by: Sharon at July 15, 2007 9:38 PM

I appreciate anyone saying the issue is complicated, Sharon. Only a fool would argue otherwise. When I hear someone like Kristol or Cox, on one hand, and Kos and Atrios on the other, I have to ask: What am I overlooking? I think nothing all that significant. Because it is complicated, it is contentious, and that is fine. In fact, it is a challenge for all of us.

Poor Bob Costas. Unfortunately, the likable Costas will only sully his fine career by appearing side-by-side with loose cannon Ubermoronn.

Bob, I heard Fox Sports is hiring...

That was the book that really burned his bridges at ESPN because people inside KNEW that he'd been just as guilty of sexual harassment as other employees but was just lucky enough not to ever get named in a suit about it. Posted by: The REAL Truth at July 16, 2007 1:43 PM

Thanks, REAL Truth for this plausible explanation. Seeing his awkward "on-air" flirtation with the Porn Star, I can see how he could be just as inept at "sexual harrassment" at ESPN (and not get named in a suit). Pretty smart of him though to get out in front of something that ESPN would not want too widely known that he is no different.

With the Karmabites thing, rumors of "stalking" (and his own admission of stalking---hiring a PI to find a former teacher he had a crush on).....
Posted by: at July 16, 2007 2:04 PM

What you and the chickenblogger are doing isn't "watching".... it's the equivalent of opining that Neil Cavuto is a sexual predator because he insults Hillary and works at a network where someone elsee (Bill O'Reilly) was accused of sexual harrassment.
Posted by: Cecelia at July 16, 2007 3:33 PM

Thanks for responding with something that makes absolutely no sense (and distorting what the "chicken blogger" said)---(really, it's pretty easy to "scroll up" and copy & paste what was ACTUALLY said---you should try it sometime instead of out-right lying).

It has been well documented that ESPN has a reputation of sexual harrassment as part of its' culture. (look up the links yourself). I was pointing out some of Olbermann's concrete "episodes" of creepy sexual harrasssment-like behavior to support "REAL's" plausiable explanation.

But you are so "locked in" from being "exposed" in previous threads, that you perhaps are not clearly reading the comments clearly. Neither Dan or I said or implied calling political figures names is akin to sexual harrassment, but since you are such a regular supportor & visitor to OW, perhaps you simply ASSume the worst in people in general.

Next time, slow down, read the thread & comments more slowly and ask yourself if it is even worth responding to. (I know asking Cecelia not to respond is like asking pigs to fly, but oh well...I can only ask).

So you'll be out here and stupid for the next 24 hours... what else is new?
Posted by: Cecelia at July 16, 2007 2:27 PM

Better than being racist/sexist/elitist AND STUPID 24/7--365-days-a-year like you. :D

We should stop with the "predator" and Thompson dates "children" comments---His girlfriend IS 23 years old. Granted a 65 year old man dating a 23 year old DOES have that letchy-creepy gold-digging feeling, but she is a constenting adult.
(I do look forward to the day she realizes what an old fart he is, that will be a glorious day witnessing the meltdown of his massive ego).
Posted by: at July 16, 2007 12:20 PM

This has to bve about Fred Thompson//