"House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, disclosed elements of the court's decision in remarks Tuesday to Fox News as he was promoting the administration-backed wiretapping legislation. Boehner has denied revealing classified information, but two government officials privy to the details confirmed that his remarks concerned classified information."

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5023991.html

My old rep is aiding the terrorists. Slap him in irons!

Hey! What happened to all the pictures that were links to purchase O'Reilly's book on this site? I'm pretty sure O'Reilly funds this site. Colbert said, "Papa bear would be proud".

"Congress Delivers on Lobbying and Ethics Reform!
Finally – real ethics reform passed in Congress! Yesterday the Senate approved S. 1 – the “Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2007” – with a veto-proof majority of 83 to 14. On Tuesday, the House also passed the bill with flying colors by 411 to 8.

This terrific legislation will give the public important new information about the cozy relationships between industry lobbyists and members of Congress, and limit the outrageous gifts and travel junkets that laid the groundwork for the culture of corruption on Capitol Hill. "

Hoo-fucking-Ray! Finally!

When did O'Reilly chastise Free Republic? Certainly not today since he wasn't even in, not that that matters to KO.

"our recap is going to make substantial improvements to the structure"

It is about time you listened to me.

Well I was right KO picked up the lefts talking points about blaming Bush for the bridge collapse...when I asked if KO had blamed Bush the other day I was quickly jumped on by a KO defender..but we know what kind of person KO is and exploiting the deaths of those at the bridge for political points is right up his alley.

Once again Iraq has nothing to do with that damn bridge and attempting to use the deaths of those at the collapse is really low,Bush signed a $286.4 billion six-year transportation reauthorization bill on Aug. 10, 2005 that covers federal fiscal years 2004-09,so it's not a shortage of money but how the money is spent and the real problem are the Senators,Congressmen,State and Local officials who divert the funds for their own pet projects,it's a problem that crosses both parties and has gone on for decades.

My old rep is aiding the terrorists. Slap him in irons!

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at August 3, 2007 10:26 PM

Liberal hypocrisy. Lock up the (R) but, let the (d)'s run rampant. i.e. Kennedy, Pelosi, Murtha, Durbin, Dinjee Harry Reid, etc.

mlong, it was keefy's #1 (I use the term loosly) defender, mike. He said, "He won't blame Bush." Exact words.

"He certainly likes to hear a variety of opinions, doesn't he?" - Keith Olbermann

Meltdown's guest list since January...

January 3: Barney Frank (D)
January 4: John Murtha (D)
January 4: Jay Rockefeller (D)
January 11: Russ Feingold (D)
January 18: George McGovern (D)
January 23: Hillary Clinton (D)
January 24: James Webb (D)
January 24: Hillary Clinton (D)
February 20: Tammy Duckworth (D)
February 21: David Boies (D)
February 27: Patrick Murphy (D)
March 21: Charles Schumer (D)
March 22: Patrick Leahy (D)
April 2: Joe Biden (D)
April 3: Russ Feingold (D)
April 6: Madeleine Albright (D)
May 15: Lanny Davis (D)
May 29: Al Gore (D)
June 5: Lawrence O'Donnell (D)
June 20: Wesley Clark (D)
June 26: Rahm Emanuel (D)
July 6: Wesley Clark (D)
July 12: Wesley Clark (D)
July 20: John Kerry (D)
July 26: Wesley Clark (D)

"He certainly likes to hear a variety of opinions, doesn't he?" keefy

Classic Olbypocrisy!

Great recap, Johnny. Saved me from mopping puke off of my wood floors, again. Not that I would or could watch, anyways. While I'm out feeding and tending to my horses and cows I ask my self, "I wonder what keefy is lying about right now?" I also wonder what kind of a person would fall to prey to a "man" like Dan.......

Thank God the death toll is low from the bridge collapse. I loved how everyone helped their fellow man. It's sad about the pregnant woman and her young daughter still among the missing.

Hey! What happened to all the pictures that were links to purchase O'Reilly's book on this site? I'm pretty sure O'Reilly funds this site. Colbert said, "Papa bear would be proud".

Posted by: at August 3, 2007 10:38 PM

Anon, did Colbert make that quip referring to OlbermannWatch? I haven't watched him in a while.

And Johnny, by the way, excellent catch RE: the Dogs That Did Not Bark. Really. I felt that needed to be said.

So O'Reilly is worst person for attacking a conservative web-site now? I sure Free Republic is happy to have the great defender of conservatism on their side. Olbermann makes a good Nazi propagandist. He does a good job trying to de-humanize his political enemies so that his zombies won't feel bad marching them off to the gas chamber. The bridge is just another Reichstag for Olbermann. Keep goose stepping Olbermann zombies.

Media Matters strikes again...

Anon, the comments highlighted by MM are not downright hateful, even if objectionable; and as a member, I've been to the BOR message boards. Sometimes comments aren't PC, but there is just no comparison; the people over there are civil. DailyKos posters are far worse, and O'Reilly is not a hypocrite for calling them on it.

Of course, Media Matters traffics in "Gotcha" politics, and while they are skilled in their research, you won't come away with the whole picture. They're extremely biased and deceptive in their coverage of people they don't like.

Here's one patsy/why/anon.

Leahy's Iran-Contra leak was considered to be one of the most serious breaches of secrecy in the Intelligence Committee's 10-year history. But that was before Senator Richard Shelby leaked that we were tapping Osama bin Laden's satellite phone. Bin Laden immediately stopped using it, denying us the opportunity to find and kill the s.o.b.

Cicero said: "A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within … for the traitor appears not a traitor. … He rots the soul of a nation … he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist."

My old rep is aiding the terrorists. Slap him in irons!

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at August 3, 2007 10:26 PM

Why, what crime was Boehner charged or convicted of?

"The War In Iraq Costs"

Hey while your making that misleading list what could you do with the $150.5 million of pork earmarked in the 2008 military spending bill snagged by John Murtha ?

"Congress Delivers on Lobbying and Ethics Reform!
Finally – real ethics reform passed in Congress! Yesterday the Senate approved S. 1 – the “Honest Leadership and Open Government Act of 2007” – with a veto-proof majority of 83 to 14. On Tuesday, the House also passed the bill with flying colors by 411 to 8.

This terrific legislation will give the public important new information about the cozy relationships between industry lobbyists and members of Congress, and limit the outrageous gifts and travel junkets that laid the groundwork for the culture of corruption on Capitol Hill. "

Hoo-fucking-Ray! Finally!

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at August 3, 2007 10:39 PM

You mean like these Slobomann? What ethics you libby's have. Ethics, what stinking ethics says slobomann aka Murtha's boy.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/08/03/heck-ethics-murtha-nabs-150-million-earmarks

I posted the Murtha earmark info earlier today, but, the spolbyloons were too busy bashing the Bible and blaming Bush for the bridge disaster to take note.

Liberal hypocrisy. Lock up the (R) but, let the (d)'s run rampant. i.e. Kennedy, Pelosi, Murtha, Durbin, Dinjee Harry Reid, etc.

Posted by: royalking at August 3, 2007 11:36 PM

Hell yeah, you partisan retard! Lock all the GOP cocksuckers up - and put their fucking families into the poor-houses their policies have been building.

Did u hear the latest on Jefferson?
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit, in a split decision, has ruled that the FBI raid on the congressional office of Jefferson's, last year, was unconstitutional and that any privileged documents seized in the search must be returned to him.

( He's not off the hook, and if he's guilty, he should have the book thrown at him and join all the other GOP criminals in jails .

Posted by: Why Do U care? at August 3, 2007 11:56 PM

These OW peicks are remarkably predictictable in their pettiness, aren't they WDUC?

Mention ethics or legislative lawbreaking in general, as I did in my 10:39 PM post, and they start hooting "Murtha", "Pelosi" or demanding that Jefferson should be locked up.

Also predictably, I've never seen or heard a progressive or Democrat reply with anything but agreement that if malfeassance is proven in any of these cases, then the elected official should face harsh punishment.

Its an amazing, and I think salient, differnece between the mindsets of the people attracted to the different parties.

The War In Iraq Costs
$448,947,596,221

Instead, we could have built
4,042,351
additional housing units.

Posted by: at August 4, 2007 12:33 AM

...You mean all these opportunity costs you so relevantly listed (housing, headstart college, etc ) could be simultaneously be realized without this war, of course. Otherwise those would be some pretty expensive housing units.

and mlong, just how is listing a society's opportunity costs "misleading"? I don't know what Murtha's "earmarks " bought, but they probably built something desired by portions of his constituency - that what reps have always done - "brought home the pork". "Earmarks" and riders are a crappy way of doing it, but roads do need to be resurfaced and bridges,obviously, need to be maintained.

The $400,000,000 we've wasted on this war has not gone into lasting infrastructure or maximizing employment - it has created, as Orwell adroitly points out as the prime rationale of modern warfare, stuff intended only to be destroyed so more can be bought. This impoverishes the nation as a whole and enriches its most powerful and influential traitors.

Hoo-fucking-Ray! Finally!

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at August 3, 2007 10:39 PM

You mean like these Slobomann? What ethics you libby's have. Ethics, what stinking ethics says slobomann aka Murtha's boy.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/08/03/heck-ethics-murtha-nabs-150-million-earmarks

Posted by: ethicomann at August 4, 2007 2:04 AM

Both houses of the Democratic-lead congress just passed an ethics reform bill with a veto-proof margin. That means a lot of Republicans voted for it as well. Apparently legislators of both parties must be sick of the rule-by-lobbyist, but it took Democratic leadership to do something about it.

I think I'll go look for who voted AGAINST it - that should be an interesting list.

I just knew Keith would blame President Bush for the bridge collapse. Keith is so predictable. This is also the quote I made on the official "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" message board "The Newshole". Word for word. But it was censored. They never put it up. So if you are ever on "The Newshole" message board and wonder why there are so many pro Keith messages and almost no messages the other way, it's because they are censoring those posts.

Keith makes Bill "Worst Person in the World" when he goes after liberal websites. Keith makes Bill "Worst Person in the World" when he goes after conservative websites. Does this make any sense to anybody?

Keith Olbermann: "He certainly likes to hear a variety of opinions, doesn't he?"

Now this is the most hypocritical statement in the history of "Countdown with Keith Olbermann". This little nugget is one for the vault.

posted the Murtha earmark info earlier today, but, the spolbyloons were too busy bashing the Bible and blaming Bush for the bridge disaster to take note.
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Or, they havethe good sense to realize this is "Olbermann Watch," not "Wiener Watch," and don't want a recap of Dr. Wiener. I am afraid I've gotten you well into a masturbatory fantasy with the words "Wiener Watch" haven't I?

Some anonymous moonbat spewed: "War In Iraq Costs $448,947,036,178"

And how much would another 9/11-type attack on US soil cost? Six years without a terrorist attack on the US... I'd say it's money well spent (unless you want to put a price tag on American lives).

a price tag on American lives
---------------------------------
Isn't that what the Administration does every day in Iraq? Unfortunately, Bush, Cheney, et al, think American troop lives are very, very cheap. They seem hell-bent on wasting thousand more.

Spolbyloon Hypocrisy Exposed:

"House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, disclosed elements of the court's decision in remarks Tuesday to Fox News as he was promoting the administration-backed wiretapping legislation. Boehner has denied revealing classified information, but two government officials privy to the details confirmed that his remarks concerned classified information."

Mention ethics or legislative lawbreaking in general, as I did in my 10:39 PM post, and they start hooting "Murtha", "Pelosi" or demanding that Jefferson should be locked up.

Also predictably, I've never seen or heard a progressive or Democrat reply with anything but agreement that if malfeassance is proven in any of these cases, then the elected official should face harsh punishment.

Its an amazing, and I think salient, differnece between the mindsets of the people attracted to the different parties.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at August 4, 2007 7:55 AM

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5023991.html

My old rep is aiding the terrorists. Slap him in irons!

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at August 3, 2007 10:26 PM

Hell yeah, you partisan retard! Lock all the GOP cocksuckers up - and put their fucking families into the poor-houses their policies have been building.

Posted by: Sir Loin od Beef at August 4, 2007 7:44 AM

I watched The Soup on my TIVO this morning. This isn't the first time Keith mentions Joel McHale's name and TV show.

What's up with that? Why would a "serious" news show worry itself about entertainment news, much less name someone else's show on another channel much less!

I don't know. Is Keith trying to get a job with the E! channel?

Here's one patsy/why/anon.

Leahy's Iran-Contra leak was considered to be one of the most serious breaches of secrecy in the Intelligence Committee's 10-year history. But that was before Senator Richard Shelby leaked that we were tapping Osama bin Laden's satellite phone. Bin Laden immediately stopped using it, denying us the opportunity to find and kill the s.o.b.

Cicero said: "A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within … for the traitor appears not a traitor. … He rots the soul of a nation … he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist."

crickets........

"Cicero said: "A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within … for the traitor appears not a traitor. … He rots the soul of a nation … he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.""

Exactly.

A prime reason Americans are upset with W's version of an Administration.

The Cicero quote is appropos because in the context Cicero wrote, he was at least as concerned, if not more so, about people who betray the values and principles of a society. The type of Monsieur Royale bombast was of little concern. The decription fits almost every member of the current administration, doesn't it?

Calls to mind Cato the Elder: Si vis pacem para bellum. If you want peace, prepare for war. Chickenhawks tend to use that as: Bomb! Destroy! Maim! Kill!, (someone else of course doing these things and these things being done to someone else). But Cato saw entry into war as the first failure in the war. A prudent, sustainable forward policy, not boasting, blustering, strutting .... Listening, George?

The War In Iraq Costs
$448,947,309,322

Beginning in the 1960's, the start of the "great society" the Federal Government has taxed its citizens to date a greater amount than the value of ALL of the assets IN the United States combined and given it to "the poor". And never changed a thing.

So the moron posting stupid numbers understand that no matter how much money is spent on the liberal agenda it changes NOTHING in the end. In fact it makes it worse.

More fat lazy Americans choose to take advantage of the hand outs and live cradle to grave on the government dole.

What a horrible thing to do to a person....allow them to be poor for their entire miserable life. Giving them handouts to barely keep them alive...now thats compassion.

The War In Iraq Costs
$448,947,309,322

Beginning in the 1960's, the start of the "great society" the Federal Government has taxed its citizens to date a greater amount than the value of ALL of the assets IN the United States combined and given it to "the poor". And never changed a thing.

So the moron posting stupid numbers understand that no matter how much money is spent on the liberal agenda it changes NOTHING in the end. In fact it makes it worse.

More fat lazy Americans choose to take advantage of the hand outs and live cradle to grave on the government dole.

What a horrible thing to do to a person....allow them to be poor for their entire miserable life. Giving them handouts to barely keep them alive...now thats compassion.

The War In Iraq Costs
$448,947,309,322

Beginning in the 1960's, the start of the "great society" the Federal Government has taxed its citizens to date a greater amount than the value of ALL of the assets IN the United States combined and given it to "the poor". And never changed a thing.

So the moron posting stupid numbers understand that no matter how much money is spent on the liberal agenda it changes NOTHING in the end. In fact it makes it worse.

More fat lazy Americans choose to take advantage of the hand outs and live cradle to grave on the government dole.

What a horrible thing to do to a person....allow them to be poor for their entire miserable life. Giving them handouts to barely keep them alive...now thats compassion.

Judy Judy Judy...

Countdown (assuming you've ever watched it) uses a mix of styles, clearly delineated, including hard news, features, your basic news-of-the-weird segments, and the (ahem) beloved editorial Comments. So, no, Olby's show is not wall-to-wall hard news; however, not unlike The Soup's approach to critiquing the latest entertainment news, Olby manages to include his take on popularly-reported news in the mainstream news media and whatever O'Reilly is spinning as truth.

In any case, "seriously" considering Countdown's formatics would likely lead to a different punchline than the one you proposed.

"More fat lazy Americans choose to take advantage of the hand outs and live cradle to grave on the government dole."

Hallelujah!

I'm all for addressing welfare abuse. Let's begin with the corporations first. They're a bigger drain on the system than any welfare queen.

Billy Hill is an idiot. The Late 20th century Middle Class - the greatest in history - was built through bottom-up economic policies that put money and opportunity at the disposal of the wide base of the American economy, as opposed to piling it on top of the other piles of money and power acumulated by well-connected monopolies. The poor spent the extra money made available through such sensible policies, investing it in the furures of their families and communities; while today the faceless amoral corporations ship their "free market" booty to over-seas tax havens on regular schedules.

Since that bumblefuck Reagan started slashing the New Deal to pieces the Middle Class and its prospects have been bleeding all over the place, and the ranks of the poor have been burgeoning.

I would like it if Olby did a Rainbow Bright scene like Joel McHale did today. Now that would be entertainment! Wierd, but entertaining.

What a horrible thing to do to a person....allow them to be poor for their entire miserable life. Giving them handouts to barely keep them alive...now thats compassion.
Posted by: Billy Hill at August 4, 2007 2:14 PM

What Billy Hill knows and understands about sociology can be put on the head of a pin !

Posted by: at August 4, 2007 2:31 PM

Yes, we must assume that his alternative is to ensure that the majority of these "miserable lives" should be cut mercifully short so there is more gruel to go around. This is an undeniable, but infrequently mentioned, tenet of Free Market Fundamentalism.

"Cicero said: "A nation can survive its fools, even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within … for the traitor appears not a traitor. … He rots the soul of a nation … he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist.""

Exactly.

A prime reason Americans are upset with W's version of an Administration.

Posted by:patsy at August 4, 2007 1:49 PM

Spolbyloon spin, from Leahy (and his kind) all the way around to Bush.

"I would like it if Olby did a Rainbow Bright scene like Joel McHale did today. Now that would be entertainment! Wierd, but entertaining."
Posted by: Judy at August 4, 2007 2:36 PM

*heh*

I like your style. I saw that McHale piece, looked like something from the deepest reaches of the Adult Swim catalog. Seriously, weirdly funny.

"You better take some star sprinkles!!!" - Lou

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ofRF5vpFpl0

Come Lou and let Stewie, I mean Olby save you from the evil Bill O. OMG!

I love Lou the dog! I want one just like him.
Another E! show Olby, you should consider being on -- Sunset Tan. Or is that even on any more? I love/hated the two ollies.

I know that all of the posts defending OB have to be him using several names. There is no way that there could be THAT many idiots out there.

If all of the oil company's profits were taken by force from them by the Federal Government and handed out to the poor....at least half of the poor would die with in 3 years from to much food, meth, crack, alcohol, car-boat-4-wheeler accidents and stupidity.

To much money in the hands of the stupid and lazy is a recipe for disaster if not death.

Sure are alot of jealous, envious and hateful DemocRATS on this site today.

Whats-a-matta, no boat, no RV's, no cigs, no crack, no money in your pocket?

So your mad at me because your lazy, broke and stupid......its not my fault.

Push yourself away from the computer and get a job dumbass.

This whole segment with Rachel Maddow just showed Keith Olbermann's clear bias towards big government socialism (if not communism). I mean first he has Michael Moore on a few weeks ago to say that we should force government health care on the entire country and destroy any free market in health care left. Now today, with the government owning almost every road, highway and bridge in America, he blames anti-government Free Marketeers when they crumble and fall apart. IT'S A GOVERNMENT ROAD! The government steals (taxes) more money today than it has at any point in US History. Of course to liberals and socialist and other worshippers of the state, there's never enough money. And if you point out that the state of Minnesota pissed away millions and millions on a new baseball stadium, bear exhibits and a replica Viking ship; you're demeaning the lives of those who died.

Just 24% give the president favorable ratings of his performance in handling the war in Iraq, but confidence in Congress is significantly worse –

only 3% give Congress positive marks for how it has handled the war. This lack of confidence in Congress cuts across all ideologies. Democrats – some of whom had hoped the now Democrat-led Congress would bring an end to the war in Iraq – expressed overwhelming displeasure with how Congress has handled the war, with 94% giving Congress a negative rating in its handling specifically of that issue.

On Friday's Countdown, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann charged that the "endless war and endless spending" had "crippled our ability to repair or just check our infrastructure," as he hosted Air America's Rachel Maddow in a discussion blaming the Minneapolis bridge collapse on Iraq war spending and unwillingness by conservatives to raise taxes.

give a man a fish, or teach him how... the only stupid and lazy person I see here is you, William.

John Murtha (D) led the way with over 150 million dollars in earmarks: Pork Barrel Spending Records smashed by Democrat controled congress.

Murtha, the defense industry’s darling, has been known throughout his tenure on the defense panel to shell out a large number of earmarks. His biggest earmark in the bill is $23 million for the National Drug Intelligence Center (NDIC), a move that sparked a fierce fight with Rep. Todd Tiahrt (R-Kan.), who earlier this year voted in a private meeting to strip Murtha’s earmark.

"Gridlock!!!"

In the next interview with Murtha I am sure Keiths first question will be.... why cant congress spend more on bridges and less on the military there congressman......NOT!

ALL OF YOU REPUBLICANS ARE IDIOTS! Don't you know if we all vote for any democrat for president in 08 that all of your problems are over.For instance Free health care,Free abortions anytime and for any reason,get rid of all those annoying border guards (and save money)open those pesky borders,make all drugs legal (the George Soros philosophy),we will be loved by Cuba,Iran,North Korea,Venezuela (Sean Penn,Harry Bellefonte,and Danny glover will be thrilled),make all of those crime starting guns illegal,the war on terrorism will be over (because we all know that there really is no war on terrorism)(the radical muslums are just misunderstood)We will talk to them and it will be fine,all political corruption will dry up because we all know that Democrats are HONEST and hardly ever lie (cough!)excuse me,all the schools will automatically be fixed and all kids will be brilliant,if we get just the right Democrat in (S.F.democrat)we can disband the military (think of the savings)then we can give all those poor illegal aliens FREE medical,FREE housing,and what the heck FREE food. I will be able to quit my job of 25 years and live off the government.If I missed anything please respond.DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08!!! I personally can't wait for paradise,AHHHHHHH!

Here all you DemocRATS...watch this... THIS IS FOR YOU.......

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ypa75axdK6o

And there aint a damn thing you can do about it.....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA.

yodell,

Sorry, dude. Before we get anything even remotely resembling paradise, the Dems will have to start repairing all the shit W's boys and the rubber-stamp congress broke.

This is why the GOP can't have nice things, always hurting the ones they claim to love.

6:15 PM:

This one's for YOU (dumbass):

sat·ire /ˈsætaɪər/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sat-ahyuhr] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
2. a literary composition, in verse or prose, in which human folly and vice are held up to scorn, derision, or ridicule.
3. a literary genre comprising such compositions.
[Origin: 1500–10;

—Synonyms 1. See irony1. 2, 3. burlesque, caricature, parody, travesty. Satire, lampoon refer to literary forms in which vices or follies are ridiculed. Satire, the general term, often emphasizes the weakness more than the weak person, and usually implies moral judgment and corrective purpose: Swift's satire of human pettiness and bestiality. Lampoon refers to a form of satire, often political or personal, characterized by the malice or virulence of its attack: lampoons of the leading political figures.
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Based on the Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006.

"Yet with Mr. Clinton, we have a sitting Chief Executive who is doing all he can to plug up the holes in the dam, only to find he is running out of fingers. Day after day, we see him invoking Executive Privilege on select staff members in order to prevent them from talking to the grand jury."

I wonder what Hillary will do with Executive Privilege, especially if habeas corpus is still out of action.

If I were a Bushie, I'd start reigning in that shit.

Sen. Pat Leahy, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, 2007, wants subpoenas issued relating to a recent action taken by the President of the United States. Sen. Leahy wants witnesses to testify. And he wants it now:

Senator Patrick J. Leahy, Democrat of Vermont and chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee . . . said his committee would vote Thursday on whether to issue subpoenas for [Karl] Rove as well as Harriet E. Miers, the former White House counsel, and William K. Kelley, the deputy White House counsel.

“I do not believe in this ‘We’ll have a private briefing for you where we’ll tell you everything,’ and they don’t,” Mr. Leahy said on “This Week” on ABC, adding: “I want testimony under oath.

But the Pat Leahy of 1999 — when one Bill Clinton was President — was much more cautious about issuing subpoenas and compelling testimony.

What is the difference now, I wonder?

In 1999, the Senate Judiciary Committee was looking into certain controversial acts of clemency by President Clinton. President Clinton asserted executive privilege, and Sen. Leahy was then very respectful of the assertion. He didn’t want to subpoenas to be issued to Clinton Administration officials without the consent of the “Ranking Member” (who happened to be Pat Leahy):

"If all of the oil company's profits were taken by force from them by the Federal Government and handed out to the poor....at least half of the poor would die with in 3 years from to much food, meth, crack, alcohol, car-boat-4-wheeler accidents and stupidity."

Well, Hill, if your comic-book suposition has any validity whatsoever, then its a good thing that nobody is talking about anything as stupid as taking money from one person and simpy giving it to another.

Progressive policies involve taxing those who are in the enviable position of benefitting to a disproportionate degree from our society's economic system, and putting those tax dollars towards educating the public (ala Thomas Jefferson), improving and maintaining the public's infrastructure (like bridges), and basically providing for the public welfare. - all the while keeping those with the greatest resources at arms length from decision-making

But in your particular case, I wish we could legislate the emptying of your wallet and liquidating your assets and handing it all to the first junkie the treasury officials encounter.

Yeah, shame on Clinton, starting that illegal war and dismantling the Constitution, appointing arguably the most corrupt (or incompetent) AG in U.S. history, having his staff revise key scientific studies for the EPA, allowing the oil companies to dictate energy policies without accountability, tax cuts during for the ultra-rich during wartime, etc. etc.

How often do you confuse apples for oranges? Must get annoying after the first few thousand times.

yodell,

Sorry, dude. Before we get anything even remotely resembling paradise, the Dems will have to start repairing all the shit W's boys and the rubber-stamp congress broke.

This is why the GOP can't have nice things, always hurting the ones they claim to love.

Posted by: at August 4, 2007 6:43 PM

That will be NO PROBLEM they will just raise taxes but if they disband the military think of the billions they will have to fix all of the stuff those unamerican Republicans caused (those bastards).Open those borders fire the border guards save money,legalise all drugs make money.I was really just talking about the FREE healthcare that is coming(although that might cost a couple of bucks)No problem.I am sick and tired having to jet down to Cuba for the best healthcare in the world.I forgot about that global warming issue that those brilliant dems will fix.More nuclear power plants (no),less flying in private jets (no),wind farms (yes)as long as they aren't near the Kennedys.Well don't worry by then maybe there wont be global warming because there was none in 1999 every one knows it only started in January 2000.Well anywho they will figure it out.EVERYONE KNOWS HOW COMPASSIONATE THE DEMOCRATS ARE (unless you are unborn)BUT WE CAN'T WORRY ABOUT THEM WE HAVE 14 MILLION ILLEGALS TO TAKE CARE OF.DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08!!! I CAN'T WAIT

I smell a witch hunt!

toad-ell,

Either you OD'd or you missed your meds today.

So RoyalKing, you're getting really good at this ignoring thing...Are you going to admit you were wrong about the DailyKos, HuffPo, and MediaMatters thing? Or are you going to continue being a vagina? This is the, what, 4th time you've avoided your admission of being wrong.

yodell,

How much do you pay for your health insurance?

For anyone that wants to answer...

If we get the terrorists out, and we finally leave, what happens if during a iraqi national election a hamas type political party takes over, then what do we do?

We are giving nuclear information and resources to Saudi Arabia. What happens if ten years down the road they are no longer our ally?

For those who say invading pakistan would be a bad idea (and it is) because of pakistan having nuclear weapons and being an ally, didn't bush invade iraq with our country believing iraq had nuclear weapons? So what is the difference?

We are told we were fighting al qaeda only in iraq. Were they there in 2002 before we invaded?

If the iraqi government does not make progress in the next year, what should we do? Do we keep fighting until the government can function?

Do you think the Powell doctrine of sending in more then enough troops to "guarantee" victory would have been better in hindsight then the more mobile and less structured Bush doctrine?

dontblameme,

wtf, asking actual, serious questions here of all places?

You know better yet make all those illegals legal and their relatives(24 million by some estimates).That way we can get rid of that annoying two party system.It would be so much easier to vote if everyone had a D next to his/her name.As a matter of fact lets elect the next Democratic president and make it for life (you know like Cuba)(because according to Michael Moore there is none better).He's my idol.I said it before and I'll say it again DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08.YEAAAAAAA!

yodell,

How much do you pay for your health insurance?

Posted by: at August 4, 2007 7:16

Too much that is why I want FREE health care.I am on your side.I really don't care for little babies being born and all.You know.DEMS IN 08 WILL BE GREAT! Just curious which slogan do you like better.DEMS IN 08 WILL BE GREAT OR DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08?

yodell,

Assuming you can stop tweaking long enough to read this, but the folks at http://moorewatch.com/ are missing you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHJdilZcC3g&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Edailykos%2Ecom%2Fstory%2F2007%2F8%2F4%2F16552%2F78406

Beautiful Video on the corruption that has taken place during Bush's administration

toad-ell,

Either you OD'd or you missed your meds today.

Posted by: at August 4, 2007 7:13 PM

No name calling I didn't call you any names.I WILL SAY THIS FOR ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE CHEAP SEATS,I AM ON YOUR SIDE.I want FREE healthcare,I want to just talk those terrorists away,I want all drugs legal,I want the pedophiles out of prison(after all it is a sickness),I want to kill more unborn babies (I really don't like kids anyway),Oh and I want to get back to the days when it was allright to get a blowjob in the oval office.DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08!!!

Beautiful Video on the corruption that has taken place during Bush's administration

Posted by: StealThisOpinion at August 4, 2007 7:38 PM

Is (d) corruption "beautiful" to you, too? Twisted, indeed

"I want FREE healthcare,I want to just talk those terrorists away,I want all drugs legal,I want the pedophiles out of prison(after all it is a sickness),I want to kill more unborn babies (I really don't like kids anyway),Oh and I want to get back to the days when it was allright to get a blowjob in the oval office.DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08!!!"

The grassroot Democrat, right here. Although, they would NEVER admit it.

They wouldn't say it, b/c they don't exist.
Now, you wanna tell me what a Wookie would say about domestic policy?

Toad hit on many of the GOP election time scare tactics that they pull out of their ass every 4 years.

Don't think it's going to work this time Yodel le de oooo

Posted by: at August 4, 2007 7:48 PM

No name calling.WHAT SCARE TACTICS.I WILL SAY THIS SLOWLY I AM ON YOUR SIDE.I truly want all of those things.I am so sick and tired of Murderers being put to death,I want the pedophiles released and I don't want them tracked and I want them to be able to live anywhere they want even if it is next to a school (who cares),I really want FREE healthcare (who cares how long you have to wait for an operation as long as its FREE).HERE WE GO SAY IT WITH ME DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08!!!!!

The Royalback door man forgets who has been in charge the past 6 years.
The other day I posted around 15 Bush ad. officials that have been convicted of crimes, or resigned in disgrace, just recently.

Please submit this Democratic list of officials who have been sent to jail the past 3 or 4 years.
let's compare the "culture of corruption " party and all the so called "corrupt" democrats.

Posted by: Why do U care at August 4, 2007 8:02 PM

I agree lets get back to an old honest Democrat.Blowjobs for everybody!DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08!!!

haven't posted here in a while, but i was thinking about this today and i thought i'd get some views.

George Will has warned of it for a long time, and now i really feel it is becoming more and more of a certainty. The Republican Party is going to spilt. Now i am not referring to the division occuring over the Iraq War, (though i feel that may be the catalyst), i am talking more about the major issues of conservatism. Lets face it, social conservatism (aka southern conservatism or the religious right) is becoming more and more the opposite of Western Conservatism (aka economic libertarians, Old Republicans). Lets face it, the only that held the coalition together was a fear of big government, but as social conservatives have grown to prominence in the party, government is as big as ever. They seek to legislate just as many social issues as democrats, and have gotten away from the sound economic principals of thrift. Sure they keep taxes low, but hello you also need to spend less. (not talking about the war as much as expansion of medicaid programs.)

They have also seemed to stop standing up for states rights, and the federal government continues to get its hands on everything. I thought being pushed into the minority might cause a realignment within the Republican party that might save it, but i am convinced more than ever that the party is on track to spilt.

15? How's this for a list?

BILL CLINTON'S CONVICTED FRIENDS

If a man is truly known by the company he keeps, then here's Bill Clinton's circle of friends who are still alive, but in jail.

CLINTON CONVICTS LIST

Neil Ainley (guilty plea), Roger Altman (resigned under cloud), Arapaho/Cheyenne Indians (5th plea), Les Aspin (resigned in disgust), Bruce Babbitt (under IC investigation), Zoe Baird (nomination failed), Robert Bennett (co-defendant in sexual harassment suit), Ronald H. Blackley (convicted - Espy), Herby Branscum (mistrial), Michael A. Brown (convicted), Michael's dad Ron Brown (died under investigation), Jorge Cabrera (convicted), Pierre Chambrin (WH chef, fired & bribed $37k to keep quiet), Gin F. J. Chen (5th plea), Ming Chen (fled country), Yi Chu (5th plea - granted immunity), Yue Chu (5th plea - granted immunity), Johnny Chung (guilty plea), Henry Cisneros (indicted), Arthur Coia (under investigation), Gilbert Colon (5th plea), Bettie Currie (subpoenaed), Billy Dale (persecuted by Clintons, acquitted), Michael deVegter (indicted), Richard Douglas (guilty plea - Espy), Joycelyn Elders (idiot), Mike Espy (indicted), Eugene Fitzhugh (guilty plea), Dr. Henry Foster Jr. (nomination failed), Manlin Foung (5th plea - granted immunity), Yogesh Ghandi (5th plea), Lani Guinier (nomination failed), David Hale (guilty plea), John Haley (indicted-fraud), Jean Hanson (resigned under cloud), Alexis Herman (under investigation), Philip B. Heymann (resigned in disgust), Nolanda S. Hill (indicted - singing), Robert Hill (mistrial), Man Ho (5th plea - granted immunity), Maria Hsia (indicted), Jie Su Hsiao (5th plea), Judy Hsu (5th plea), Jen Chin Hsueh (5th plea), Hueutsan Huang (5th plea - granted immunity), Jane Huang (5th plea), John Huang (5th plea), Zie Pan Huang (5th plea - granted immunity), Webster Hubbell (convicted), Steven Hwang (5th plea), Woody Hwang (5th plea), Harold Ickes (under IC investigation), Bobby Ray Inman (nomination failed), Charles Intriago (5th plea), Bin Yueh Jeng (5th plea), Mark Jimenez (5th plea), Linda Jones (guilty plea - Cisneros), M. Samuel Jones III (bimbo patrol), Vernon Jordan (subpoenaed), Pauline Kanchanalak (fled country), Duangnet Kronenberg (5th plea), Larry Kuca (guilty plea), Joseph Landon (5th plea - granted immunity), Nathan Landow (under IC investigation), Dan Lasater (convicted), Kent Law (granted immunity), John H.K. Lee (fled country), Na-chi "Nancy" Lee (5th plea - granted immunity), Marcia Lewis (subpoenaed), Siuw Moi Lian (5th plea - granted immunity), Hsiu Chu Lin (5th plea), Mike Lin (5th plea), Bruce Lindsey (unindicted co-conspirator), Craig Livingstone (resigned under cloud), Nora and Gene Lum (guilty pleas), daughter Trisha Lum (guilty plea), Felix Ma (fled country), Maria Mapili (5th plea), William Marks (guilty plea), Charles Matthews (guilty plea), Terence McAuliffe (guilty plea), James McDougal (convicted, died in prison), Susan McDougal (convicted), Mark Middleton (5th plea), Dick Morris (resigned under cloud), Jere Nash (guilty plea - Teamsters), Tom Nastos (under investigation), Bernard Nussbaum (under IC investigation), Hazel O'Leary (junket queen), Seow Fong Ooi (5th plea), Robert Palmer (guilty plea), Antonio Pan (fled country), Larry Patterson (co-defendant), Federico Pena, Roger Perry, (No "Q" yet), Charles Ruff (under investigation), Archie Schaffer (indicted - Tyson), Agus Setiawan (fled country), Jou Sheng (5th plea), Hsin Chen Shih (5th plea), Man Ya Shih (5th plea - granted immunity), Ted Sieong (fled country), Smith Barney Inc. ($1M civil fine - Espy), Stephen Smith (guilty plea), Joshua Steiner (lied to diary), Jane Dewi Tahir (5th plea), Roger Tamraz (fugitive - Lebanese embezzlement), Subandi Tanuwidjaja (fled country), Dewi Tirto (fled country), Susan Thomases (under IC investigation), Charlie Trie (indicted), Linda Tripp, Hsiu Luan Tseng (5th plea), Jim Guy Tucker (convicted), Tyson Foods Inc. (guilty plea - Espy), (No "U" or "V" yet), Chris Wade (guilty plea), Chi Rung Wang (5th plea), David Wang (5th plea - granted immunity), Seth Ward (under IC investigation), David Watson (fired), Clifton Wharton (resigned in disgust), Jack L. Williams (convicted - Tyson), Maggie Williams (under IC investigation), Arief Wiriandinata (fled country), Soraya Wiriadinata (fled country), Larry Wong (5th plea - granted immunity), Michael Woo (under investigation), Kimba Wood (nomination failed), Irene Wu (5th plea - granted immunity), Shu Jen Wu (5th plea - granted immunity), Eric Wynn (convicted), (No "X," yet), Yumei Yang (5th plea), Keshi Zhan (5th plea - granted immunity);

Casualties.

ALL 93 career U.S. Attorneys (fired by Janet Reno March 23, 1993);

mysterious Arkansas casualties: Kathy Ferguson (ex-wife of Clinton bodyguard, suicide), Stanley Huggins (Madison Guaranty investigator, found dead), Kevin Ives and Don Henry (two teens killed on the tracks after alledgedly witnessing a drug drop), Gary Johnson (badly beaten in break-in theft of his videotapes of Clinton calling on Gennifer Flowers), Jerry Parks (chief of security Clinton 1992 presidential campaign, unsolved murder), Dennis Patrick (discovered millions of dollars laundered through his account at Dan Lasater's firm, survived three murder attempts), Bill Shelton (policeman and Ferguson's boyfriend, suicide), Jon Walker (Madison Guaranty investigator, killed in fall from top of a building);

and finally, miscellaneous bimbi: Julia Broaddrick (campaign worker), Dolly Kyle Browning (high school classmate), Beth Gladden Coulson (Ark. Court of Appeals judge), Sherrie Densuk (WH intern/nutcase), Robyn Dickey ("White House Director of Special Projects and Special Needs" I Kid You Not), Elizabeth Ward Gracen (Miss America - fled country), Connie Hamzy (yes, THAT "sweet, sweet Connie" of Grand Funk fame), Marilyn Jo Jenkins (Ark. friend), Shelia Lawrence (Arlingtongate widow), Sally Perdue (Miss Arkansas), Debra Schiff (campaign plane stewardess hired at White House), Shelia Swatzyna (campaign plane stewardess), Kathleen Willey (White House volunteer), Cristy Zercher (campaign plane stewardess), et. al.

Ongoing Clinton investigations: WHITEWATER ($300k loan fraud, Billing records mystery, Castle Grande); TRAVELGATE; FBI FILEGATE; ASIAN CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTIONS; PAULA JONES; TEAMSTER ELECTION/CAMPAIGN FRAUD; ARLINGTON CEMETERY SCANDAL

Yes, RoyalKing, please do this. We can all laugh at you a second time...Just like that little thing that you're STILL ignoring, ya know, that apology or at least recanted statement about the DailyKos, HuffPo, and MediaMatters? Or should I take your silence to mean, and I will quote this that you said it unless you give me your own statement,

"I, RoyalRetard, am sorry for the slanderous comments made about the DailyKos, HuffPo, and MediaMatters. I am a little shit for saying these things, and I am a little shit for not owning up to them. Im sorry to everyone who has to read what I have to type every day. Im a honorless shithead who is a disgrace to the human race but a blessing to the republican party. Im so happy that I can give the best party ever such a good name with my stunning intellect and witty name changes."

Now, You dont want this to be your official statement, do you? If you do, just ignore it again, otherwise, please give me a statement of your own.

Oh yeah, and that list of corrput democrats. I counted 38 Republicans mentioned in that video(I might be off by one or two), all of them SINCE 2003. The crimes range from money-laundering, to strangling a mistress, to inappropriately talking to young boys. If you can find me that many Democratic Officials indicted, convicted, anything, since then, I'll give you a cookie and let you keep your dignity.

WOW, Yodell!

Can We all call you 'pet names' as you Republicans give blow jobs to every one?

I am a Liberal the second L in yodell stands for Liberal.I said it ten times now I am on your side.You know you are kind of fickle you argue with people who disagree with you and you try to demean someone (ME) who agrees with you.Make up your mind.DEMS IN 08 WILL BE GREAT!!!

Olbermann blamed Bush for the Bridge collapse!
Ha I called it!

For starters, most of those people were not elected officials. I looked up a few, and they go as far away from him as working at his foundation. They were people chosen by Clinton, and just because they were all hired by him on his staff does not mean he was friends with them, or that they are necessarily democrats. However, heres the list of the Bush officials indicted, convicted, ect. as of 2006

From TPMMudraker:
Scooter Libby - Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff - resigned after being indicted for Obstruction of Justice, Perjury, and Making False Statements in connection with the investigation stemming from the leak of a CIA operative's identity. * Lester Crawford - Commissioner, FDA - resigned after only two months on the job. Pled guilty to conflict of interest and making false statements. * Brian Doyle - Deputy Press Secretary, DHS - Resigned in wake of child sex scandal. Pled no contest to 32 criminal counts. * Claude Allen - Assistant to the President for Domestic Policy- resigned, pled guilty to shoplifting from Target stores. * David Safavian - former head of the Office of Federal Procurement Policy at the Office of Management and Budget - convicted of lying to ethics officials and Senate investigators about his ties to lobbyist Jack Abramoff. * Larry Franklin - intelligence officer, Defense - resigned, pled guilty to passing secrets to Israel. * Roger Stillwell - desk officer, Interior Department - pled guilty to failing to report Redskins tickets and free dinners from Jack Abramoff. * Frank Figueroa - senior DHS official, former head of anti-sex-crime Operation Predator - pled no contest to exposing himself to 16-year-old girl in Florida mall. Girl says he fondled himself for ten minutes. Figueroa forfeited his badge, gun, and access to databases; employment status pending internal DHS review. * Darleen Druyun - senior contracting official, U.S. Air Force - pled guilty and sentenced to nine months in prison for her role in the Boeing tanker lease scandal. * John Korsmo - chairman, Federal Housing Finance Board - pled guilty last year to lying to the Senate and an inspector general. He swore he had no idea how a list of presidents for FHFB-regulated banks were invited to a fundraiser for his friend's congressional campaign. On the invites, Korsmo was listed as the "Special Guest." Got 18 months of probation. * P. Trey Sunderland III - chief, Geriatric Psychiatry, Nat'l Institute of Mental Health - admitted to a criminal conflict of interest charge for failing to report $300,000 received from Pfizer, Inc. *As of 12/11/06, still employed by NIMH. Resigned Due to/Pending/After Investigation * Carl Truscott - Director, Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Bureau - resigned. A report by the Justice Department's Inspector General found that Truscott wasted tens of thousands of dollars on luxuries, wasted millions on whimsical management decisions and violated ethics rules by ordering employees to help his nephew with a high school video project. * Joseph Schmitz - Inspector General, Defense - Resigned amid charges he personally intervened to protect top political appointees. * Steven Griles - Deputy Secretary at the Interior Department - resigned, currently under investigation by the Justice Department for his ties to Jack Abramoff. * Susan Ralston - assistant, White House - resigned amidst revelations that she had accepted thousands of dollars in gifts from Abramoff without compensating him, counter to White House ethics rules. * Dusty Foggo - Executive Director, CIA - stepped down following accusations of corruption in connection to the Duke Cunningham scandal. Under investigation. * Janet Rehnquist - Inspector General, Department of Health and Human Services - resigned in the face of allegations she blocked a politically dangerous probe on behalf of the Bush family. * Ken Tomlinson, Board Chairman, Corporation for Public Broadcasting; member, Broadcasting Board of Governors - resigned at the release of an inspector general report concluding he had broken laws in spending CPB money to hire politically connected consultants to search for "bias" without consulting the board. At BBG, a separate investigation found he was running a "horse racing operation" out of his office, and continuing to hire politically-wired individuals to do "consulting" work for him. He's still there. * George Deutsch - press aide, NASA - resigned amid allegations he prevented the agency's top climate scientist from speaking publicly about global warming. * Richard Perle - Chairman, Defense Policy Board - resigned from Pentagon advisory panel amid conflict-of-interest charges. * James Roche - secretary, U.S. Air Force - resigned in the wake of the Boeing tanker lease scandal, after it was revealed he had rather crudely pushed for Boeing to win a $23 billion contract. * Marvin Sambur - top contracting executive, U.S. Air Force - Druyun's boss, Sambur resigned in the wake of the scandal. Investigations cleared him of wrongdoing. * Philip Cooney - chief of staff, White House Council on Environmental Quality - a former oil industry lawyer with no scientific expertise, Cooney resigned after it was revealed he had watered down reports on global warming. * Thomas Scully - Administrator, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services - shortly after Scully resigned in 2003, an investigation by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Office of the Inspector General found that Scully had pressured the agency's actuary to underestimate the full cost of the Medicare reform bill by approximately $100 billion until after Congress passed the bill into law. Scully was also charged wtih conflict of interest allegations by the U.S. attorney's office for billing CMS for expenses incurred during a job search while he still headed the agency. He settled those charges by paying $9,782. * Michelle Larson Korsmo - deputy chief of staff, Department of Labor - Helped her husband (see Frank Korsmo, above) with his donor scam. Quietly left her Labor plum job in February 2004, about two weeks before news broke that she and her husband were the targets of a criminal probe. * David Smith - Deputy Assistant Secretary for Fish, Wildlife, and Parks, Interior Department - resigned after shooting a buffalo and accepting its remains as an illegal gratuity. He eventually paid over $3,000 for the dead buffalo, but only after the internal inquiry had commenced. * Sean Tunis - Chief Medical Officer, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) - Last summer, the State of Maryland suspended his medical license because he faked documentation relating to his medical education. Despite that, he stayed on board for several months at CMS, albeit on administrative leave. He has since been replaced, although it's not clear when because CMS did not announce the switch and has not responded to our calls. Nomination Failed Due to Scandal * Bernard Kerik - nominated, Secretary, Department of Homeland Security - withdrew his nomination amidst a host of corruption allegations. Eventually pled guilty to a misdemeanor relating to having accepted improper gifts totaling tens of thousands of dollars while he was a New York City official in the late 1990's. * Timothy Flanigan - nominated, Deputy Attorney General - withdrew his nomination amidst revelations that he'd worked closely with lobbyist Jack Abramoff when he was General Counsel for Corporate and International Law at Tyco, which was a client of Abramoff's. * Linda Chavez - nominated, Secretary of Labor - withdrew her nomination amidst revelations that an illegal immigrant lived in her home and worked for her.

And heres a nice article about one of the people on that list, http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/02/espy/ If you dont want to read it, The man was acquitted of all charges. So just because someone thought he did something once, means he's a horrible person forever, gotcha. Good logic, that kinda logic will take you really far in this life.

A google of a few other of the names turns up nothing, absolutely nothing. So please, next time you send us a list, double check it first instead of directly copying and pasting it from another site. Btw, plagarism...again. You need to source your stuff. And please, get your shit straight...You claim that the AP is a biased source you dont trust but you believe every word on a website called, "What Really Happened". Good god child.

The challenge was to come up with convicted or similarly corrupt( as the GOP) Democrats from the last 3 YEARS !!!!!!!!
We know that reading isn't your game, and comprehension isn't your game....

But pay attention just a little bit once in awhile.

Posted by: Why Do U care? at August 4, 2007 8:24 PM

Why just the last 3 yrs? You called the Bush administration the "most corrupt" I think the Clinton list is very fair to use for comparison. 150 for Clinton and 15 for Bush. Seems obvious who is more corrupt.

The Toadel obviously is a republican taking his little joke about 8 posts too long.

He can't defend Bush, or his record, or the republicans or their record, so he plays games.

Let's compare: blowjobs or lying to establish a war in the Middle east that has been kicking our ass, financially, militarily, politically etc.

The whole country longs for the "blowjob" era of the 90's.

Posted by: Why do U care at August 4, 2007 8:18 PM

NO NAME CALLING I DID NOT CALL YOU ANY NAMES.I am on you side for the umteenth time.Don't you want legal abortions? (killing unborn babies)yes/no (I do),Don't you want to treat pedophiles instead of jailing them? yes/no (I do),don't you want to just talk to the terrorists and hope they will understand? yes/no (I do),Don't you want to legalize all drugs"yes/no (I do).These are all liberal talking points which I agree with and if you don't then I guess you are not much of a Liberal.DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08!!!!

Btw, the article I posted was about Mike Espy, on the Clinton list, btw, just wanted to clarify. I know how RK likes to take little loop holes and rip them open to make his point.

"FREE REPUBLICAN Blow jobs for everybody!"

Allen was anticipating his role in this community service.

stogge, that's a bogus list. I googled some of them and they turned up absolutley nothing. You should double check your lists before you do an entire cut and paste.

RK's talking to himself, again.

Who is disagreeing with you, Yodell?

You say you are a liberal, fine. And because of your strong liberal stance, you'll be the first lucky rascal to get a blow job from Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh in '08. Shit, maybe both at the same time!

FREE REPUBLICAN Blow jobs for everybody! DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08!!!

Posted by: at August 4, 2007 8:31 PM

I am a Liberal the second L in yodell stands for Liberal.I said it ten times now I am on your side.You know you are kind of fickle you argue with people who disagree with you and you try to demean someone (ME) who agrees with you.Make up your mind.DEMS IN 08 WILL BE GREAT!!!

Posted by: yodell at August 4, 2007 8:25 PM

Look I didn't say that you disagree with me I said you were trying to demean me just because i agree with the Liberal talking points.I haven't called anyone any ugly names as you did to me.That wont stop me though DEMS WILL STILL BE GREAT IN 08 dispite what anon says.

Gee, i Googled it, and found it in about 10 seconds.

http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/002075.php

btw, there are live links from that list supporting the list.

Please try again.

Liberal talking points?

Oh hell, I guess that makes me an Independent.
I never got my LTPs.

We could sit here and talk about how many people were actually indicted, blah blah blah, but theres more to corruption than that. How corrput do you have to be to sit and tell the American people bold faced lies about a country and ruler in order to wage war on said country? Then you have the corruption that goes with this war, the forced labor at the Embassy, the torture, the rendition, the lost billions in Iraq, the No-Bid contracts, then you leave the war and you have Scooter Libby, the attorney firings, Executive priveledge. What about an administration that sees little wrong with suspending habeus corpus, and wiretapping innocent americans, all in the name of national security? I would consider that corrupt. What about that a good deal of Republican Lawmakers knew about Mark Foley's escapades but never spoke up? Would you consider that corruption?

You're cute RK, thanks for trumpeting two sentences I wrote right back at me. Really mature. Did you learn that tactic in middle school? And thanks anon for pointing that out to my frail friend here.

And nothing about the DailyKos thing? Does that mean I can use that as a direct quote from you?

And If you dont respond to that last thing about your comment on DailyKos, Ill assume thats a yes, and start quoting you on the statement I made above.

yodell,

Time to log off, dear.
Your mom will worry if you're late for dinner.

http://www.mostcorrupt.com/Most%20Corrupt%20Administrations.html

A list of what one man considers the most corrupt administrations in American History. List goes Grant, Harding, Nixon, then Bush. So I guess we're all wrong.

We could sit here and talk about how many people were actually indicted, blah blah blah, but theres more to corruption than that. How corrput do you have to be to sit and tell the American people bold faced lies about a country and ruler in order to wage war on said country? Then you have the corruption that goes with this war, the forced labor at the Embassy, the torture, the rendition, the lost billions in Iraq, the No-Bid contracts, then you leave the war and you have Scooter Libby, the attorney firings, Executive priveledge. What about an administration that sees little wrong with suspending habeus corpus, and wiretapping innocent americans, all in the name of national security? I would consider that corrupt. What about that a good deal of Republican Lawmakers knew about Mark Foley's escapades but never spoke up? Would you consider that corruption?

You're cute RK, thanks for trumpeting two sentences I wrote right back at me. Really mature. Did you learn that tactic in middle school? And thanks anon for pointing that out to my frail friend here.

And nothing about the DailyKos thing? Does that mean I can use that as a direct quote from you?

Posted by: StealThisOpinion at August 4, 2007 8:57 PM

So now you guys are really argueing who is more corrupt as if you are less corrupt that makes it OK.Both of you guys better go get some air.

Yodell, Power breeds corruption. Thats a fact, the thought of a government that does not have a single corrupt individual in it in entire unrealistic. So, yes, its a matter of who is more corrupt. Who can withstand the temptation better, and what i've learned from this, is that everyone sucks.

I pref my next president to be less corrupt than this one, please.

yodell, I hear your mother calling you.

I TRULY AGREE EVERY POLITICIAN SUCKS!

I pref my next president to be less corrupt than this one, please.

yodell, I hear your mother calling you.

Posted by: at August 4, 2007 9:05 PM

Actually I would prefer all of the the politicians not to be corrupt at all.But that's just me,I'm kind of funny that way.You guys act like a little corruption is OK I say that it is not.

I pref my next president to be less corrupt than this one, please.

yodell, I hear your mother calling you.

Posted by: at August 4, 2007 9:05 PM

By the way my mother died in 1999.Thanks for reminding me.Dolt

The least corrupt government is Iran.
It is a model Progressive regim and us at Daily Kos support it!

Ha, Ha, you're funny Kos Kid. Freaking Hilarious. Get a life.

Beautiful Video on the corruption that has taken place during Bush's administration

Posted by: StealThisOpinion at August 4, 2007 7:38 PM

Is (d) corruption "beautiful" to you, too? Twisted, indeed

StealThisOpinion,
As a Progressive I want Israel exterminated so there can be world peace!
Iran is the hope for the world.
Over at Daily Kos Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is considered a hero!
We love him and hope for his continued success!

Hillary Clinton is the least corrupt politician ever.
She will run a scandal free administration!
She stands for us the people!

Wow Kos. Thanks for being a slanderous asshole. Really cool.

And RK, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and pray that it wasnt you that just left that comment, if it was you...jesus kid, is that really all you have to say? And ill take that as meaning that your official quote on the dailykos matter is the one I referred to earlier.

William Jefferson Clinton- Impeached by the House of Representatives over allegations of perjury and obstruction of justice, but acquitted by the Senate. Scandals include Whitewater - Travelgate Gennifer Flowersgate - Filegate - Vince Fostergate - Whitewater Billing Recordsgate - Paula Jonesgate- Lincoln Bedroomgate - Donations from Convicted Drug and Weapons Dealersgate - Lippogate - Chinagate - The Lewinsky Affair - Perjury and Jobs for Lewinskygate - Kathleen Willeygate - Web Hubbell Prison Phone Callgate - Selling Military Technology to the Chinesegate - Jaunita Broaddrick Gate - Lootergate - Pardongate

Edward Moore Kennedy - Democrat - U. S. Senator from Massachusetts. Pleaded guilty to leaving the scene of an accident, after his car plunged off a bridge on Chappaquiddick Island killing passenger Mary Jo Kopechne.

Barney Frank - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1981 to present. Admitted to having paid Stephen L. Gobie, a male prostitute, for sex and subsequently hiring Gobie as his personal assistant. Gobie used the congressman's Washington apartment for prostitution. A move to expel Frank from the House of Representatives failed and a motion to censure him failed.

DNC - The Federal Election Commission imposed $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources. The Federal Election Commission said it decided to drop cases against contributors of more than $3 million in illegal DNC contributions because the respondents left the country or the corporations are defunct.

Sandy Berger - Democrat - National Security Advisor during the Clinton Administration. Berger became the focus of a criminal investigation after removing highly classified terrorism documents and handwritten notes from the National Archives during preparations for the Sept. 11 commission hearings.

Robert Torricelli - Democrat - Withdrew from the 2002 Senate race with less than 30 days before the election because of controversy over personal gifts he took from a major campaign donor and questions about campaign donations from 1996.

James McGreevey - Democrat - New Jersey Governor . Admitted to having a gay affair. Resigned after allegations of sexual harassment, rumors of being blackmailed on top of fundraising investigations and indictments.

Jesse Jackson - Democrat - Democratic candidate for President. Admitted to having an extramarital affair and fathering a illegitimate child.

Gary Condit - Democrat - US Democratic Congressman from California. Condit had an affair with an intern. Condit, covered up the affair and lied to police after she went missing. No charges were ever filed against Condit. Her remains were discovered in a Washington DC park..

Sowande Ajumoke Omokunde - Democrat - the son of newly elected U.S. Rep. Gwen Moore, was booked on charges of criminal damage to property for allegedly slashing tires on 20 vans and cars rented by the Republican Party for use in Election Day voter turnout efforts.

Daniel David Rostenkowski - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1959 to 1995. Indicted on 17 felony charges- pleaded guilty to two counts of misuse of public funds and sentenced to seventeen months in federal prison.

Melvin Jay Reynolds - U.S. Representative from Illinois from 1993 to 1995. Convicted on sexual misconduct and obstruction of justice charges and sentenced to five years in prison.

Charles Coles Diggs, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan from 1955 to 1980. Convicted on eleven counts of mail fraud and filing false payroll forms- sentenced to three years in prison.

George Rogers - Democrat - Massachusetts State House of Representatives from 1965 to 1970. M000ember of Massachusetts State Senate from 1975 to 1978. Convicted of bribery in 1978 and sentenced to two years in prison.

Don Siegelman - Democrat Governor Alabama - indicted in a bid-rigging scheme involving a maternity-care program. The charges accused Siegelman and his former chief of staff of helping Tuscaloosa physician Phillip Bobo rig bids. Siegelman was accused of moving $550,000 from the state education budget to the State Fire College in Tuscaloosa so Bobo could use the money to pay off a competitor for a state contract for maternity care.

John Murtha, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania. Implicated in the Abscam sting, in which FBI agents impersonating Arab businessmen offered bribes to political figures; Murtha was cited as an unindicted co-conspirator

Gerry Eastman Studds - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1973 to 1997. The first openly gay member of Congress. Censured by the House of Representatives for having sexual relations with a teenage House page.

James C. Green - Democrat - North Carolina State House of Representatives from 1961 to 1977. Charged with accepting a bribe from an undercover FBI agent, but was acquitted. Convicted of tax evasion in 1997.

Frederick Richmond - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1975 to 1982. Arrested in Washington, D.C., in 1978 for soliciting sex from a minor and from an undercover police officer - pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor. Also - charged with tax evasion, marijuana possession, and improper payments to a federal employee - pleaded guilty.

Raymond Lederer - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1977 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

Harrison Arlington Williams, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Senator from New Jersey from 1959 to 1970. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Allegedly accepted an 18% interest in a titanium mine. Convicted of nine counts of bribery, conspiracy, receiving an unlawful gratuity, conflict of interest, and interstate travel in aid of racketeering. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $50,000.

Frank Thompson, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1955 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting, convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges. Sentenced to three years in prison

Michael Joseph Myers - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1976 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting - convicted of bribery and conspiracy; sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000; expelled from the House of Representatives on October 2, 1980.

John Michael Murphy - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1963 to 1981. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted of conspiracy, conflict of interest, and accepting an illegal gratuity. Sentenced to three years in prison and fined $20,000.

John Wilson Jenrette, Jr - Democrat - U.S. Representative from South Carolina from 1975 to 1980. Implicated in the Abscam sting. Convicted on bribery and conspiracy charges and sentenced to prison

Neil Goldschmidt - Democrat - Oregon governor. Admitted to having an illegal sexual relationship with a 14-year-old teenager while he was serving as Mayor of Portland.

Alcee Lamar Hastings - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida. Impeached and removed from office as federal judge in 1989 over bribery charges.

Marion Barry - Democrat - mayor of Washington, D.C., from 1979 to 1991 and again from 1995 to 1999. Convicted of cocaine possession after being caught on videotape smoking crack cocaine. Sentenced to six months in prison.

Mario Biaggi - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New York from 1969 to 1988. Indicted on federal charges that he had accepted bribes in return for influence on federal contracts.Convicted of obstructing justice and accepting illegal gratuities. Tried in 1988 on federal racketeering charges and convicted on 15 felony counts.

Lee Alexander - Democrat - Mayor of Syracuse, N.Y. from 1970 to 1985. Was indicted over a $1.5 million kickback scandal. Pleaded guilty to racketeering and tax evasion charges. Served six years in prison.

Bill Campbell - Democrat - Mayor of Atlanta. Indicted and charged with fraud over claims he accepted improper payments from contractors seeking city contracts.

Frank Ballance - Democrat - Congressman North Carolina. Pleaded guilty to one charge of conspiracy to commit mail fraud and money laundering related to mishandling of money by his charitable foundation.

Hazel O'Leary - Democrat - Secretary of Energy during the Clinton Administration - O'leary took trips all over the world as Secretary with as many 50 staff members and at times rented a plane, which was used by Madonna during her concert tours.

Lafayette Thomas - Democrat - Candidate for Tennessee State House of Representatives in 1954. Sheriff of Davidson County, from 1972 to 1990. Indicted in federal court on 54 counts of abusing his power as sheriff. Pleaded guilty to theft and mail fraud; sentenced to five years in prison.

Mary Rose Oakar - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Ohio from 1977 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to two misdemeanor charges of funneling $16,000 through fake donors.

David Giles - Democrat - candidate for U.S. Representative from Washington in 1986 and 1990. Convicted in June 2000 of child rape.

Gary Siplin - Democrat state senator Florida- found guilty of third-degree grand theft of $5,000 or more, a felony, and using services of employees for his candidacy.

Edward Mezvinsky - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Iowa from 1973 to 1977. Indicted on 56 federal fraud charges.

Lena Swanson - Democrat - Member of Washington State Senate in 1997. Pleaded guilty to charges of soliciting unlawful payments from veterans and former prisoners of war.

Abraham J. Hirschfeld - Democrat - candidate in Democratic primary for U.S. Senator from New York in 1974 and 1976. Offered Paula Jones $1 million to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against President Bill Clinton. Convicted in 2000 of trying to hire a hit man to kill his business partner.

Henry Cisneros - Democrat - U.S. Secretary of Housing and Urban Development from 1993 to 1997. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of lying to the FBI.

James A. Traficant Jr. - Member of House of Representatives from Ohio. Expelled from Congress after being convicted of corruption charges. Sentenced today to eight years in prison for accepting bribes and kickbacks.

John Doug Hays - Democrat - member of Kentucky State Senate from 1980 to 1982 Found guilty of mail fraud for submitting false campaign reports stemming from an unsuccessful run for judge. He was sentenced to six months in prison to be followed by six months of home confinement and three years of probation.

Henry J. Cianfrani - Democrat - Pennsylvania State Senate from 1967 to 1976. Convicted on federal charges of racketeering and mail fraud for padding his Senate payroll. Sentenced to five years in federal prison.

David Hall - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1971 to 1975. Indicted on extortion and conspiracy charges. Convicted and sentenced to three years in prison.

John A. Celona - Democrat - A former state senator was charged with the three counts of mail fraud. Federal prosecutors accused him of defrauding the state and collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars from CVS Corp. and others while serving in the legislature. Celona has agreed to plead guilty to taking money from the CVS pharmacy chain and other companies that had interest in legislation. Under the deal, Celona agreed to cooperate with investigators. He faces up to five years in federal prison on each of the three counts and a $250,000 fine

Allan Turner Howe - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Utah from 1975 to 1977. Arrested for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute.

Jerry Cosentino - Democrat - Illinois State Treasurer. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud - fined $5,000 and sentenced to nine months home confinement.

Joseph Waggonner Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Louisiana from 1961 to 19 79. Arrested in Washington, D.C. for soliciting a policewoman posing as a prostitute

Albert G. Bustamante - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Texas from 1985 to 1993. Convicted in 1993 on racketeering and bribery charges and sentenced to prison.

Lawrence Jack Smith - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Florida from 1983 to 1993. Sentenced to three months in federal prison for tax evasion.

David Lee Walters - Democrat - Governor of Oklahoma from 1991 to 1995. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor election law violation.

James Guy Tucker, Jr. - Democrat - Governor of Arkansas from 1992 to 1996. Resigned in July 1996 after conviction on federal fraud charges as part of the Whitewater investigation.

Walter Rayford Tucker - Democrat - Mayor of Compton, California from 1991 to 1992; U.S. Representative from California from 1993 to 1995. Sentenced to 27 months in prison for extortion and tax evasion.

William McCuen - Democrat - Secretary of State of Arkansas from 1985 to 1995. Admitted accepting kickbacks from two supporters he gave jobs, and not paying taxes on the money. Admitted to conspiring with a political consultant to split $53,560 embezzled from the state in a sham transaction. He was indicted on corruption charges. Pleaded guilty to felony counts tax evasion and accepting a kickback. Sentenced to 17 years in prison.

Walter Fauntroy - Democrat - Delegate to U.S. Congress from the District of Columbia from 1971 to 1991. Charged in federal court with making false statements on financial disclosure forms. Pleaded guilty to one felony count and sentenced to probation.

Carroll Hubbard, Jr. - Democrat - Kentucky State Senate from 1968 to 1975 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1975 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to conspiring to defraud the Federal Elections Commission and to theft of government property; sentenced to three years in prison.

Joseph Kolter - Democrat - member of Pennsylvania State House of Representatives from 1969 to 1982 and U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1983 to 1993. Indicted by a Federal grand jury on five felony charges of embezzlement at the U.S. House post office. Pleaded guilty.

Webster Hubbell - Democrat - Chief Justice of Arkansas State Supreme Court in 1983. Pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges - sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Nicholas Mavroules - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Massachusetts from 1979 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to charges of tax fraud and accepting gratuities while in office.

Carl Christopher Perkins - Democrat - Kentucky State House of Representatives from 1981 to 1984 and U.S. Representative from Kentucky from 1985 to 1993. Pleaded guilty to bank fraud in connection with the House banking scandal. Perkins wrote overdrafts totaling about $300,000. Pleaded guilty to charges of filing false statements with the Federal Election Commission and false financial disclosure reports. Sentenced to 21 months in prison.

Richard Hanna - Democrat - U.S. Representative from California from 1963 to 1974. Received payments of about $200,000 from a Korean businessman in what became known as the "Koreagate" influence buying scandal. Pleaded guilty and sentenced to federal prison.

Angelo Errichetti - Democrat - New Jersey State Senator was sentenced to six years in prison and fined $40,000 for his involvement in Abscam.

Daniel Baugh Brewster - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Maryland. Indicted on charges of accepting illegal gratuity while in Senate.

Thomas Joseph Dodd - Democrat - U.S. Senator from Connecticut. Censured by the Senate for financial improprieties, having diverted $116,000 in campaign and testimonial funds to his own use

Edward Fretwell Prichard, Jr. - Democrat - Delegate to Democratic National Convention from Kentucky. Convicted of vote fraud in federal court in connection with ballot-box stuffing. Served five months in prison.

Jerry Springer - Democrat - Resigned from Cincinnati City Council in 1974 after admitting to paying a prostitute with a personal check, which was found in a police raid on a massage parlor.

Guy Hamilton Jones, Sr. - Democrat -Arkansas State Senate. Convicted on federal tax charges and expelled from the Arkansas Senate.

Daniel Flood - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Pennsylvania from 1945 to 1947, 1949 to 1953 and 1955 to 1980. Pleaded guilty to a conspiracy charge involving payoffs and sentenced to probation.

Otto Kerner, Jr - Democrat - Governor of Illinois from 1961 to 1968. While serving as Governor, he and another official made a gain of over $300,000 in a stock deal. Convicted on 17 counts of bribery, conspiracy, perjury, and related charges. Sentenced to three years in federal prison and fined $50,000.

George Crockett, Jr. - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Michigan. Served four months in federal prison for contempt of court following his defense of a Communist leader on trial for advocating the overthrow of the government.

Cornelius Edward Gallagher - Democrat - U.S. Representative from New Jersey from 1959 to 1973. Indicted on federal charges of income tax evasion, conspiracy, and perjury

Mark B. Jimenez - Democrat fundraiser - sentenced to 27 months in prison on charges of tax evasion and conspiracy to defraud the United States and commit election financing offenses.

Bobby Lee Rush - Democrat - U.S. Representative from Illinois. As a Black Panther, spent six months in prison on a weapons charge.

Bolley ''Bo'' Johnson - Democrat - Former Florida House Speaker - received a two-year term for tax evasion.

Roger L. Green - Democrat - Brooklyn Democrat Assemblyman. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor for accepting travel reimbursement for trips he did not pay for and was sentenced to fines and probation.

Gloria Davis - Democrat - Bronx assemblywoman. Pleaded guilty to second-degree bribe-taking.

Thats a pretty impressive list there "You Were Saying?"

I stand corrected on the matter of those people in the Clinton administration being corrupt. (see what I did there RK, take notes)

You were Saying,
You are lying!
Democrtas are not corrupt!
We are the party of the people and would never do those things!
We support Progressive regimes like Iran and Syria!

Speaking of the kos kiddies.......

CHICAGO - Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton refused Saturday to forsake campaign donations from lobbyists, turning aside challenges from her two main rivals with a rare defense of the special interest industry.

"A lot of those lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans, they actually do," Clinton said, drawing boos and hisses from liberal bloggers at the second Yearly Kos convention.

"By the way my mother died in 1999.Thanks for reminding me.Dolt"

Sorry, I didn't know that.

Poor Hillary, the perpetual centrist of convenience.

George Will has warned of it for a long time, and now i really feel it is becoming more and more of a certainty. The Republican Party is going to spilt.
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I remember Will's analysis, and I thought at the time it was on-target.

I am curious, Hawkeye, any sense on your part when this will happen?

I do think it inevitable. Many of RW commentators speak of Republican unity in Congress. The Congressional Republicans are accomplished obstructionists, to be sure. But, I am not sure that in terms of forecasting political trends, that is of much value. Congress tends to be a lagging indicator of political and social change. Virtually all of the Southern and Western Republicans in Congress, and many of the Midwestern members of Congress owe their positions to the coalition which includes and is dominated, until now, perhaps, by the Southern Social Conservatives.

The fracture with the Western, more Libertarian Republicans was inevitable. It has been exacerbated and accelrated by the Southern Republicans' fondness for Big Government (so that more-and-more of our personal lives can be controlled by government). The Western Republicans have a fondness for minimalist government. Another issue around which the fracture seems to be growing is the environment. Southern Republicans remain largely unconcerned about the environment (although there are some signs that may be changing), while Western Republicans have a strong environmental history. So, the point I am making is that I tend to believe the fracture is already pretty pronounced.

We have a number of Western States which have turned decidedly towards the Democrats: Arizona, Colorado and Montana are, perhaps, the best examples. The reasons for the turn are complex and different in each state, but in these states and throughout the Mountain West that split with Southern Republicans is fairly obvious. And, it is the split which is the key. I don't believe that those who have recently voted Democratic have necessarily found a new home. They are just not comfortable in the home in which they had been living.

I'm not at all sure that the coalition can be put back together readily or quickly. One of the disturbing aspects about the Southern Republican base is the national party will never give them enough. Always, more. Anything short of narrow ideological purity is not enough for these people.

Since Texas can be either Southern or Western, sometimes both, sometimes neither, we see this playing out in all sorts of interesting ways. The keys to the Republican rise in Texas were in the Dallas metropolitan area and in West Texas. Both areas are now far less Republicans, as Texans have come to understand that term, than they once were, while East Texas, with its stronger Southern character and its long history of Democratic support, is more rabidly Republican in the Georgia/Alabama mode.

We also seem to have an interesting development among Catholic Texans. Contrary to conventional wisdom, there are more Catholics in Texas than there are Baptists. The support that Catholics have given to the Republican party in this eight year Bush cycle has been impressive. Although grossly overstated by the Rove clique, this support has been helpful. But, that seems to be turning quickly. In part, Hispanic Catholics have tremendous resentment towards the Republicans over the immigration issue; in part, Catholics, who have traditionally been just war doctrine adherents, are disenchanted with a war the Church tends to indicate is unjust. There is also an element of prejudice involved, as well. The relationship between fundamentalists and Catholics is a difficult one. While the two groups are joined on the abortion issue and what might be called in broad, imprecise terms "family values," Catholics tend to be opposed to the death penalty (a very important issue to Southern Republicans) in higher than usual numbers, as a result of Church teaching, and they see a Republican field, with a few exceptions, that seems distinctly unhindered by family values. The three front-runners all have divorces, in Rudy's case, multiple divorces. That is not a matter regarded lightly.

American Christian fundamentalism still has a strong anti-Catholic component, and that has reared its head too frequently for many Catholics during this eight year cycle.

The Romney factor is interesting among Catholics, as well. Theologically and ecclesiastically, Mormonism is regarded with something between concern and disdain. Many Catholics will relate to you having been told that Mormonism is cultic and non-Christian. As a product of Catholic schools, I can certainly attest to hearing that, being instructed in that. I am certainly not suggesting that no Catholic will vote for Romney. I am not even suggesting that Rommey's religion will be a crucial turning point. I personally don't care. Another person's religion is not a concern of mine. And, America is generally best served when we keep theological divisions out of the political process. In any event, I tend to think Romney has far more serious electability issues than his religion. I remain very interested in seeing how this will play out, however.

So, while I think Will was correct, I tend to think that the fractures are more advanced and far deeper and wider than Will might have expected. I also think that is why so many analysts, including many Republican party analysts, are beginning to believe 2008 may be a wipe out for Republicans. I am certainly not to that point in my own thinking at this stage, but I am seeing some signs that the polls we have, pretty meaningless at this stage, may well be understating the fracture and its consequences.

I appreciate your reminding us of Will's analysis, Buckeye, and I am curious what your own thoughts are.

Here's the video of the lobbyist topic at Kos, from TPM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5njRbQIJt_s

to the above, i would remind miss maddow that conservatism doesnt call for no taxing and no spending, only smart taxing and spending. To say that there isnt already enough money to repair roads is laughable. The U.S. treasury had quite the little revenue last year. the problem is where the money is going. Thank god we're getting a national salt museum. Schools, roads, defense. That shouldnt be hard, but they sure have made it hard in washington haven't they?

... we're getting a national salt museum.
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Where? What town in America would be worth its salt?

Where? What town in America would be worth its salt?
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sorry, thats an old joke around here to describe the underground salt museum in Kansas. (which was built partially with public money.) the joke was "Sure, but they're gonna be screwed when they build a National Salt Museum, which is of course inevitible."

mrs. philby, in your above screed 12:19, are you implying that the (d)'s are one big happy family? Just curious.

Democrats/Liberals would be far more convincing if they weren't such creepy, hateful, lying bastards.

Sean Penn has the only forgivable excuse for missing the Yearly Kos Convention. He had to meet with Hugo Chavez this weekend.

RoyalKing,
Was that supposed to mean something? Oh My God!! The DailyKos bloggers dont agree with accepting lobbyist money! Wow, what a thought! A hate group demanding ethics...Well, that doesnt sound like a hate group at all! Make fun of it! Fast! Go!

My favorite thing about you, You would rather stand and be ridiculed for being a slanderingchickenshit than to actually admit to yourself that you are, in fact, a slandering chickenshit.

to the above, i would remind miss maddow that conservatism doesnt call for no taxing and no spending, only smart taxing and spending. To say that there isnt already enough money to repair roads is laughable. The U.S. treasury had quite the little revenue last year. the problem is where the money is going. Thank god we're getting a national salt museum. Schools, roads, defense. That shouldnt be hard, but they sure have made it hard in washington haven't they?

Posted by: at August 5, 2007 12:53 AM

We've spent a half-trillion (BORROWED MONEY; Mr conservative) in Iraq to create more enemies for us - estimated to rise to at least one whole trillion, and you're bitching about a salt museum.

This country could afford to build anything that every tiny demographic might want in its stupidest, most self-indugent dreams. No problem. What we can't afford is to export destruction year after year.

"One person who has had enough of this hypocrisy is the war critic Andrew J. Bacevich, a Boston University professor of international relations who is also a Vietnam veteran, a product of the United States Military Academy and a former teacher at West Point. After his 27-year-old son was killed in May while serving in Iraq, he said that Americans should not believe Memorial Day orators who talk about how priceless the troops’ lives are.

“I know what value the U.S. government assigns to a soldier’s life,” Professor Bacevich wrote in The Washington Post. “I’ve been handed the check.” The amount, he said, was “roughly what the Yankees will pay Roger Clemens per inning.”"

http://freedemocracy.blogspot.com/2007/08/frank-rich-patriots-who-love-troops-to.html

On the Republican fissure matter: I watched the "debate," and it's no wonder that the voters in Iowa don't seem to care for any of the Republican candidates. With the exception of Paul, and to a lesser extent, Tancredo and Hunter, they are all joined at the hip to Bush. No sense at all the people have moved away and aren't going to be coming back. Of course, joined at the hip means all have adopted the narrow and negative fundamentalist anthropology playing out in an expansive, ham-handed (a la Bush) government against which so many Western Republicans are recoiling. One of the aspects of a change election is that one of the parties is static, hugging the status quo, and the other is surging ahead to a redefined position. The Republican candidates are "status quo gone wild." I realize the contradictory nature of that term, but it somehow fits.

"I want FREE healthcare,I want to just talk those terrorists away,I want all drugs legal,I want the pedophiles out of prison(after all it is a sickness),I want to kill more unborn babies (I really don't like kids anyway),Oh and I want to get back to the days when it was allright to get a blowjob in the oval office.DEMS WILL BE GREAT IN 08!!!"

The grassroot Democrat, right here. Although, they would NEVER admit it.

Ok...and the republicans like yourself want....
I want our american people to let the president spy on any american they want to, they should be able to wiretap anyone, i want to be so scared shitless by the thought of terrorism that we give every country in the middle east nukes, i dont want to have to think about things like facts, or laws, so we can throw them out too, i dont care if a women is inpregnated by rape, she still cant get an abortion (god had her raped for a reason right?), i want all science books thrown out the window and replaced with bibles, i dont think health care is a natural right, so i would abolish medicare and medicaid (old people are going to die anyways right?), oh and there should be a terrorist attack every 6 months so the country doesnt forget how scary muslims are

"A lot of those lobbyists, whether you like it or not, represent real Americans, they actually do," Clinton said, drawing boos and hisses from liberal bloggers at the second Yearly Kos convention.

Here are the (d)'s "surging ahead."

mrs. philby, in your above screed 12:19, are you implying that the (d)'s are one big happy family? Still curious.

RoyalKing, every time you post a piece of the constitution is burnt.

health care is a natural right? I guess I missed that on animal planet.

let the iraqis die. Its their fault they are in a civil war. The U.S. didn't destroy their government, they did. The U.S. bears no responsibility for things going wrong in Iraq. and anything that did go bad, we can just pin on Bush, so the rest of the world will be okay with it.

Iraqi children? let em burn.

Those Iraqis who have allied with us? Let em rot.

I mean they are ALL murdering terrorists anyway. Every one of them, from the 8 year old girls to 90 year old grandmas. There is no hope for them to have peace and democracy, cause arabs cant have peace and democracy. That is a FACT.

*breaks character*

So when did democrats become the bigots again? I guess they say these things work in cycles.

So when did democrats become the bigots again? I guess they say these things work in cycles.
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we're not being bigots bushbanger, we're being real.

we're not being bigots bushbanger, we're being real.
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ahhh, so dems are realists now eh?

gone are the days of lofty idealogy? No more talk about how with the governments help, we can create a fair society that provides a solid standard of living for all.

well then, heres some realism for ya. SOME people are complete and total lazy fuckups, and no amount of government checks is gonna change that.

Anon at 11:23, Is that a joke? We're animals huh? I dont think its right to have insurance agencies and corporate hospitals hanging a carrott infront of our nose called health care then they grab it away as soon as something actually happens to us in the form of a "pre-existing condition" or just not wanting to cover it in general...Everyone deserves to live and recieve, if not free, then affordable healthcare.

That was Colorado Media Matters, not just the ordinary Media Matters.

Anon at 11:23, Is that a joke? We're animals huh? I dont think its right to have insurance agencies and corporate hospitals hanging a carrott infront of our nose called health care then they grab it away as soon as something actually happens to us in the form of a "pre-existing condition" or just not wanting to cover it in general...Everyone deserves to live and recieve, if not free, then affordable healthcare.
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yeah, how dare insurance companies not cover pre-existing conditions. Like just yesterday i tried to get fire insurance on my house that burned down last week and the fascists wouldnt cover it. As for it being a "natural right", thousands of years worth of self-reliant people managed to get along. THe cure for rising health care prices is for EVERYONE TO PAY FOR THIER OWN DAMN HEALTH CARE.

under 18 is at least debatable.

You're a heartless bastard. Simple as that. You dont think its wrong that millions die each year because they can not afford adequate coverage. You're totally cool with the people that have to choose between medicine and food every day? Who cares that people have to decide between paying a medical bill or paying rent? Electic? Water? Doesnt matter, does it? No, because your daddy made tons of money in the insurance business and now you get to sit on your lazy ass all day fully covered from everything while millions work two, three, or four jobs and still cant afford coverage? Doesnt matter if they get sick, you're fully covered, you live, they die...circle of life.

You Say:
"how dare insurance companies not cover pre-existing conditions"

I hear:
"Fuck people with cancer"

Yeah, I get it. Fuck the guy who contracted cancer while he wasnt covered. He didnt need to live anyways. Why dont you just go stab them to death, It would be cheaper, quicker, and easier and thats the capitalist way.

You say:
"As for it being a "natural right", thousands of years worth of self-reliant people managed to get along"

I hear:
"Fuck poor people because the Egyptians didnt get that sick"

Thousands of years ago they didnt have cancer or aids. So all those people who contract those diseases...They dont deserve to live because people thousands of years ago did just fine. I get it.

You can not mix profit and life. We need to get some sort of system, I dont care if its not gov't controlled or not. I dont care if its even not free, just available. There should not be a profit motive when it comes to taking care of people, that is wrong. Would you be happy if the firetruck didnt come to your house when it was burning down just because you didnt shell out enough money? Or even better, they would only put out half the fire, and then sit by idly until you can come up with the rest of the cash? Sounds logical doesnt it? What would your thoughts be if your mother was shot and the police decided that you hadnt given enough money in taxes so they refuse to pursue the case? That would be a fun world, wouldnt it?

Why should Medical Care be any different?

Under 18 is required, not debatable.

and exactly why should i expect other people to pay for my health insurance? I guess you need to assume i'm rich cause your l mind cant wrap itsself around the fact that someone might just believe these things on principal.

How is it heartless to ask why people cant pay for something they need. I agree the system is fucked up, but what we need is an interest free health bank that will loan people money to pay for operations and work with them to have them pay it off. But they need to pay for it. Third party pay systems, and that includes nationalized health care, don't work as well as a private industry.

as for the profit part, even with the profit taken in (besides what goes to pay employees and expenses), that profit is less than the amount of waste we would have with the government running the show.

As for your question about the fire department, i see your point, but who would do a better job, have better equipment, and better training? the private one that charges, or one that runs on public money. Now obviously because fire departments virtually only ever respond to emergencies, so a private fire department doesn't make sense, but people aren't turned away from ER's either. the question is about the rest of the health care industry.

Im not saying that we can not have private companies...if you want to pay more for better, more power to you...Im saying that we need across the board coverage for everyone. If someone wants to keep their super-insurance for super-doctors, go for it, We just need to make sure everyone else is taken care of as well. We cant leave the poor behind just because the rich can afford it. And a loan system wouldnt work, it would just further the debt of most Americans, post-pone the inevitable. And there are several ways to do this without adding much money at all to the taxes of the American people, ex: Spend all money now going toward the Iraq War on Health Coverage for all. or We could Legalize Marijuana and spend all the money now wasted on that debacle of the War on Drugs and use the tax money recieved from that to benefit a national healthcare system. Or we could just raise taxes by fifty dollars a year. Just a few thoughts.

And yes, its heartless to say that people cant have what they need, regardless of whether they can afford it, the right to life is just as much a right as free-speech.

And yes the private company would do a better job, but is the one house that is taken care of amazingly worth the five that dont get any coverage? Personally, I dont think its worth it.

16% of the country is currently uninsured(so the 1 to 5 ratio isnt far off) and the number of uninsured people has risen sharply in the past 7 years...its up 7 million people.

8 out of 10 people in this country that are not insured come from a family that has at least one full time worker in the household.

same old crap of telling people what they want to hear instead of what they are really gonna do.

wiretap bill anyone?

the loan program would undoubtably lead to more debt, but it is the only way to ensure the cost of health care stays low. I HATE third party pay systems, which includes insurance companies. You say that americans would only go into more debt, but they already are going into huge amounts of debt to the roketing health care costs. (caused larglely by the third party pay system). I believe the decrease in prices associatted with everyone paying for their own healt would more than make up for the debt currently incurred through using insurance. The thing people need to relize is that whether you have insurance, national health care or whatever, someone has to pay for it. Thorugh taxes, higher premiums, or by yourself. And paying for it yourself is the only way to keep prices down.

10:30 anona; How does any ordinary American 'pay' for a $200,000 medical calamity themself?

If there were no insurance programs for anyone, then the hospitals wouldn't be able to bill the average citizen 200,000 for a medical procedure/stay. It is insurance companies themseles that have driven up the price of procedures.

like i said, costs would come down across the board. as for paying for it otherwise, (health bank idea) 200,000 loan would be a bitch, but can be done. What are the other options? Have Other people pay for it? and the costs continue to go up? And this country needs to become more health conscience and preventitive so we can avoid the 200,000 dollar calamities. (yes, i know, sometimes they cant be avoided).
We are becoming an unhealthy overwieght nation, and i cant be the only one wary of a "free" helth system in a nation of increasingly unhealthy people.

Forgot about this one mike, wrong, again. The orange one blamed Bush. Spin away!

"At least one of the weapons used by the shooter is believed, as we said, to be in nine millimeter semi-automatic pistol, which would be like this one, with a clip designed to hold more than 10 shots. Clips like those were banned under the Assault Weapons Law of 1994, but Congress and President Bush allowed that law to expire more than two years ago."

Keith Olbermann Transcript

Jeff, we've been through this over and over again. He did NOT "blame Bush"!

He simply reported a statement of fact as he understood it. You may have a problem with a 'journalist' reporting facts that may be relevent to a particular tragedy, but I don't. It was something that DID need to be pointed out for consideration in light of the tragedy on that day and in consideration of how other such horrific events might be prevented. I debated this pretty thoroughly on that very day.

One big problem with you is your very skewed definitions you have of "blaming" or "defending" someone, You have to do a lot of spinning to arrive at most of your conclusions.

Even when confronted with irefutable proof that Olby did indeed twist, disort and misstate facts to justify his position, Mike and the Olbyloons still continue to defend the oh so great Orange One.

12:30 anon, state your "irrefutable proof" of your position because I just successfully refuted the facts that actually were presented.

Listen anon, when a tragedy happens in America, it is encumbent on any anchor worth their salt to report all relevent developments that MAY have played a part in the incident, OR that MAY help change attitudes to prevent a occurence of a similar incident in the future. Reporting such facts does NOT constitute "blaming" anyone! He would not have been doing his job if he had left the FACT that an ordinance aimed at preventing that very type of tragedy had just recently been allowed to expire by ALL of the parties who happened to have been in power.

Anon, you are exibiting muddy thinking at it's murkiest.

One big problem with you is your very skewed definitions you have of "blaming" or "defending" someone, You have to do a lot of spinning to arrive at most of your conclusions.

Posted by: Mike at August 8, 2007 12:28 PM

Funny how someone who has not ONCE offered or shown proof, just opinions, to back anything he has ever said asking for proof! I'm pretty sure the "irrefutable proof" anon was referring to was my post with the orange ones own words.

Secondly, even Sharon said the "implication was quite clear," so was she "spinning" to arrive at her conclusion?

But Keith failed to report that the Bush administration had spent more money on bridge/road repair than the Clinton administration did. Shouldn't it have been incumbent upon him to report THAT too? Again, selective reporting from a biased anchor-hack.

Anon 1:28, you can fairly argue that Keith is guilty of "selective reporting", as they ALL are, but that hardly contitutes "blaming Bush".

"Funny how someone who has not ONCE offered or shown proof, just opinions, to back anything he has ever said asking for proof."

To begin with Jeff, that's another lie!
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Jeff whines over and over again..."post proof, post proof, yada, yada, yada"

Earth to Jeff: This is a DISCUSSION board...it is and OPINION board. This means we offer our opinions based on facts as we understand them.....Get it Jeff?

I do this at a laptop using only a touch pad and cutting and pasting is difficult if not impossible with a touch pad. I also believe cutting and pasting other people's words is a cop out and I rarely ever read other poster's cut and paste jobs myself....yet you're continually asking me to post 'proof' of information you could easily look up yourself. Sorry but I'm not your research slave and everybody knows you would just ignor anything I copied anyway.

Jeff: "even Sharon said "the implication was quite clear", so was she "spinning" to arrive at her conclusion?"

I don't know Jeff. I didn't see her post regarding the subject, and I sure as hell am not going to accept YOUR version of what you said that she said.

That said....You're NOT Sharon! You don't have one tenth the empathy, the intelligence, the objectivity, or the tact of Sharon. You also completely lack her ability to at least consider the other side of an argument.

I have a suggestion Jeff: Why don't you try standing on the merits of your OWN arguments....instead of continually pointing at other poster's comments like spoiled child?

Mike, do you even read posts before you respond to them? Stop wringing your hands, take a breath and read. Read things twice if you have too. Points blow right over the top of your hot head. Re-read your 1:48 post and tell me you don't go back on your own words. First, you call me a liar by saying you never post any proof to back anything you say, which you don't. Then, you claim this is an opinion board (backpedal), then you claim you can't cut and paste to post any proof. Lastly, when asked for proof, you claim your not a "research slave!" A horrible defense, to say the least.

Jeff, I repeat....you simply ignor facts you don't like....and you NEVER confront them.

The fact is you DID lie again when you said I "Never" post any proof. I have posted 'proof' on occasion, but I usually don't because, as I've already said, this is a DISCUSSION board, not a cut and paste board. It is for the lively exchange of ideas and educated OPINIONS.

So tell me how you arrived at your murky conclusion that my saying that this is an opinion board is a "backpedal"? I've always said and believed that.

And finally Jeff, no matter how many times you accuse people of "wringing their hands, not reading posts, or not thinking before they post", it doesn't make it true.

Finally Jeff, YOU are the undisputed king of "points blowing right over your hot head"

RK, you know dr. mikey phduh, never can refute anything. I mean, it takes a GENUIS, lol, of itellect to not know when someone is making a fool out of him. Spell it dr. mikey, phduh, spell it.