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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    August 14, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - August 14th, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • CANDIDATE CLINTON: Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC political and contributor to far-left Huffington Post
    • KARL ROVE'S NEXT MOVE: Laughing Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post
    • DRAFT BACK? GREETINGS!: Konspiracy Theorist Jon Soltz of VoteVets.org (anti Iraq war) and blogger at far left HuffPo

    Krazy Keith pleasured us with a limp opening spiel this eve. Election 2008! Hillary Clinton vs. Karl Rove? Will he be behind the equivalent of the "'08 swift boat slanderers and heading the anti-Hillary forces?" Ah, non-partisan Keith. Ever graceful. That explains him calling her a fatally flawed candidate! Cue romanticised music with Mrs. Clinton talking about people lacking health care. Bipartisan! The "President's Brain" [Ding!] is missing. What kind of brains would suggest a draft? It is on the table. Toy recall. Ever classy Keith doing another K-Fed story and some dude with duct tape! Awesome!

    MADMAN

    #5: The Tan Man was wound up and ready to come to the rescue of his fellow Democrats. The "New Hillary." Clinton vs. Rove. Worries that Clinton is a divisive candidate. Clip of the Senator in a softball interview with Andrea Mitchell. Keith gives free air time to a Clinton political ad with the dramatic, heartening music. The Senator says people aren't invisible to her like they to the current President. The FULL ad plays. Oh, our man Keith gives the Republican side, which means ATTACKING IT like RABID DOGS (my words - the inflection in his voice). Quote from Deputy White House Press Secretary saying it's an offensive ad which is deemed an "attack" by Man on Fan Olbermann. Bring in Lawrence O'Donnell to join the save Hillary Clinton from the vast right wing conspiracy brigade. The perfect playmate for Keith and his sandbox. Discussion of Hillary's high unfavorables but they can be turned around. "She's done it before." "Very unusual to do but done before." "I know people who changed their minds and voted for her." "She probably won't make mistakes." Keithy turns it back to "Mister Rove." Disbelief from Keith that "George W. Bush" was elected TWICE. Is Mrs. Clinton running a campaign against George W. Bush? The White House has served her well, says O'Donnell! He also thinks that the White House is trying to prevent her from getting the nomination. Huh? Then why on earth would they call her "fatally flawed"? If they believed that, they want her as the nominee! Or maybe it's another Konspiracy I don't get.

    Bring in another sock puppet, Eugene Robinson of The Washington Post. KARL ROVE. KARL ROVE. KARL ROVE. KARL ROVE. What is Karl Rove going to be doing in the '08 campaign, asks Keith. Clip of Rove rapping. With David Gregory. Democrats relish at running against Karl Rove and George W. Bush - Robinson. Rove thinks he is history's gift to the Republican Party - Keith. "Would any Republican nominee say Karl Rove doesn't speak for the Republican party, doesn't speak for me?" Wow. This all sounds like Karl Rove is a swell guy that Keith has not passed any judgement on. Robinson doesn't think any Republican will bring him on because you are "saddling" yourself with the "George Bush presidency." Which, to Mr. Robinson, means Iraq, immigration, all the things the administration "got wrong." So let me get this straight.....Karl Rove is behind the Iraq war.....interesting *strokes chin.* Since both Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama would be "historic" Presidents if they won, Robinson can't imagine any Republican running on a platform of bigotry. I always knew it, but I needed the TV to tell me! Republicans HATE women and they HATE minorities. Too bad they can't be open about it. Sheesh. Karl Rove can "hint" at that essentially, bigotry that is, if he helped out a candidate. '08 will be like William McKinley (Keith pretends to know who he is) and Joe McCarthy coming back from the grave to campaign against whoever the Democrats nominate. OBVIOUSLY. Eugene laughs. Great thanks. Another pillar of the far-right, Dennis Hastert HA! is going to retire.

    #4: The military draft and Vietnam. Babble about the draft. Military barely met its recruitman goals. Bring in Konspiracy theorist Jon Soltz (shocker). The military is issuing a "warning" to the President with the discussions about the draft over the "broken military" caused by the administration. Congressman Rangel wants the draft to come back because only "poor people" are fighting it "unlike Mitt Romney's sons." Video of burning draft cards. Lots more clips of hippies. The "President is a lame duck President when his 'brain' left the White House," says Soltz. I can hear Keith groan in pleasure - seriously. Keith doubts the success of the surge - what does Soltz think? Hm, I wonder. He thinks it's whack-a-mole! Funny, I saw that same headline on DailyKos today! What a coinicidence. Great thanks.

    Whoah! Mention of Don Imus! Nothing to see here...

    MADMAN

    Shocker! Alert! Keith makes a perverted joke! William Hearst was expected to die with "rosebud on his lips!" Get it? Do ya? Because I do and it's a knee-slapper! Nothing like the usual Oralmann references to genitalia! Oddball: Four pandas born. Jesus on a kitchen cabinet. Caption "Holy Hardwood." Get it? Do ya! Because I do! Perv!

    Newsmakers: Woman at karaoke at Changes bar. Dumb criminal wears a mop. Deputy Mike Moore pulls over his wife. Keith throws paper.

    #3: Tainted toys. Regurgitated video of camera talking to Keith.

    #2: Must be really hard for Keith to get guests tonight. The Duct-Taped Bandit! Regurgitated video again.

    Keeping Tabs: Keith actually mentions "NBC" (not MSNBC) and Don Imus vis a vis a lawsuit against Mr. Imus. RIP Phil Rizzuto. Oh, and no surprise, he watched Coutdown every night. Classy, Fat Ass.

    #1: K-Fed vs. Britney. Yawn.

    In the Media Matters minute, bronze to Bill Schine of "Fox Noise" (LOL!) for writing a memo casting doubt on the 1/2 News Hour's continuation. Why WPITW? Uh, I don't know. He wrote a memo. Oh wait, here it comes. Keith thought it was terrible and so unfunny that the pretend news anchors wouldn't even use their real names. Canned laughter too. Blug Blog Source: TVNewser. Silver: Police Chief Paul Haines defending an officer who pulled over a car speeding to the emergency room and gave a ticket to a guy with a nail in his head. Winner, John Gibson! Poor Gibby, Bathtub Boy must be getting really agitated with someone who actually IS a journalist pointing out every laughable aspect of Jabba. Keith is REALLY angry (or so he seems). MediaMatters helped Olbermahn as usual. Thanks to J$, I'll let Gibson speak for himself:

    NAME

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's struggled at humiliating, painful and otherwise embarrassing #16,293 on amazon.com, but "Culture Warrior" is #4,021. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) The OlbyTome is still unranked at Barnes and Noble; O'Reilly's book is #1,561 there, and is one of the top five books of 2006 per Publishers Weekly. Monday's Hour of Spin pulled in an unusual and impressive second in the "key demo" as well as overall. Source. Worth mentioning that Mr. Bill's money demo nearly double Olby's. Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 2 [LOW]


    Posted by Edward Schatz | Permalink | Comments (135) | | View blog reactions

    135 Comments

    beat ya

    He's looking extra-orange tonight.

    Lay off the spray-on tan, Keith, for the love of all that is Holy.

    I went just a *little* blind watching him on the television. My set isn't HD enough to pick up that specific hue of orange/brown, so there was some blurring...

    Hahah, okay, I'll stop now.

    i'm ready to pwn my biaaaaaatch.

    By the way, I think I spotted an error:

    "The book that bears Olbermann's struggled at humiliating, painful and otherwise embarrassing #16,293 on amazon.com, but "Culture Warrior" is #16,293"

    Just a heads up.

    No Captain a-hole said Scooter watched his show every night?

    Everybody knows that Mr. Rizzuto was quite ill the last year, and I think in his room at 8'Clock he would have the Yankee game on.

    I would bet Phil Rizzuto never even met Stupid.

    It doesn't stop with this moron.

    Ya know there's the scum thats sits on top of a pond.

    There's the scum that sits at the bottom of the pond.

    Then there's the scum thats below that.

    Then there's Keith.

    Whenever the veiwing is, in New York thousands will turn out to say goodbye to one of the beloved Yankee greats. (This is from a braves fan).

    After this piece of human garbage takes his last breath. We can all be assured that quite a few less will turn out for his goodbye.

    I'm sure Cora and family were around Scooter at the moment he left to join Mantle, Maris, Ruth, Gerig and the past heros from baseball.

    Keith when you go I hope it's with nobody in the room. How dare you diss Mr. Rizzuto!!

    I KNEW that bastard would pounce on those Gibby comments about Jon Stewart, with phony outrage and all. It was red meat Fat Ass just couldn't resist.

    a low mister meter tonight, dammit. I love me the misters.

    Fixed the book rankings. Thanks Jess.

    Yeah, Krazy Keith was not feeling the misters tonight. No real "scandals" to cover.

    BREAKING NEWS:

    Reports indicate that the U.S. is going to name IRAN"S REVOLUTIONARY GUARD CORPS as a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.

    This will be done under Executive Order 13224, which President Bush signed two weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to obstruct terrorist funding. It authorizes the United States to identify individuals, businesses, charities and extremist groups engaged in terrorist activities. The Revolutionary Guard would be the first national military branch included on the list.

    developing story... more in a minute.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/14/AR2007081401662_pf.html

    link to story about Iran's Guard being named terrorists.

    just saw the article about naming the Iranian RGC as terrorists, and personally, i think it is the most ridiculous thing i have ever seen.

    Armies, which represent countries, cannot be terrorists. Uniformed Soldiers are not terrorists. THey can be the enemy, they can be evil, they can be needed to be dealt with, but how can you label them terrorist. If the RGC is seen as a threat it should be dealt with, but dealt with as a military body.

    And what if they are captured? Held as POW's or insurgents? This is the most absurd thing i have seen in a long time.

    Olbermann really is a classless idiot. First he trys to prop up his show on the death of a great baseball broadcaster then he attacks Gibson for telling the truth about John Stewart. What a joke.

    Instead of posting audio of Gibson bitching about Olbermann, why not post the audio of what Olbermann was ranting about in the first place so we can make our own judgment.

    The most popular newscast of dead ball players everywhere.

    He picked this up from BJ Clinton. Whenever anyone of prominence would pass, Clinton would claim their endorsement. When writing would turn up stating that Clinton was a lying sack of shit who is not to be trusted, Clinton would claim their writings had been "widely misinterpreted".

    The Factor on Olbermann: "he attacks Gibson for telling the truth about John (Jon) Stewart. What a joke."

    Agreed Factor....and the joke is you!

    I never would have believed the kind of biases people like you have if I had never come to this blog. Its rather educational.

    Just ask Bovine, another brilliant strategerist, he's ready to nuke Mecca.

    Posted by: Average American Patriot at August 15, 2007 1:37 AM


    Einstein, if we nuked them, all of our soldiers could stay home. I'd be happy and you would be happy. But, I'm sure you could find something else to be hateful over......

    I never would have believed the kind of biases people like you have if I had never come to this blog. Its rather educational.

    Posted by: Mike at August 15, 2007 1:49 AM


    What's it like knowing we think the exact same thing about you, prick? A biased hack, you are. Oh, and a spolbyloon, which is much worse than a biased hack.

    Hey look, there's Jeff again....the troop hater who doesn't think enough of them have been killed!

    Pisses Michelle Lussy:

    "Hey look, there's Jeff again....the troop hater who doesn't think enough of them have been killed!"

    END QUOTE

    Hey look, it's th 70's reject, over-the-hill-pot head that is ashamed to be an American and has trouble identifying the enemy. At least until a terrorist takes a shit in his snadbox.

    Laura,

    Maybe he'll report on the two hundred people recently killed in Iraq, despite the "successful" surge, son...

    Or, is Iraq not important to traitors like you, boy?

    Keith's panties get stuck in his crack
    When Jon Stewart is under attack
    The public ain't buying
    Jon Stewart was "crying"
    So many lies it's hard to keep track

    blindrat,

    Without googling the answer (I'll trust you), do you know who was killed in the 4 suicide bombings?

    Blindrat- can't believe you would show your dumb face here after the ass kicking you took yesterday, child. Still making stuff up?

    Krazy Keith is at it again
    His infatuation with men
    John Gibson and Bill
    Keith's mentally ill
    Lunacy Rating? Keith gets a ten

    cee,

    It is shamefully the way these 4 suicide bombing are being reported. Tthis was a terrorist attack within the war. With the US gone, it would be far worse.

    Yes benson, the story is about a religious minority group being targeted by islamic extremists....al Qaida connected terrorists who feel the Yazidis are devil worshipers. The AP article even says,

    "The Islamic State in Iraq, an al-Qaida front group, distributed leaflets a week ago warning residents near the scene of Tuesday's bombings that an attack was imminent because Yazidis are "anti-Islamic."


    ###
    So for the American left to seize on this terrorist attack on a religious minority as another rhetorical stab at "the surge," shows who is on the side of the angels.

    The terrorists are attacking civilians, and targeting them because of their religious views, and the left wants to abandon them to their attackers. Why? Because a report is due in September and any possible score in the PR war is the most important goal of a selfish and myopic polticial minority here in The USA.

    Blindrat only sees a headline that can be sound-bited into the continuing political stunts of his ideological blind mice. I see a horrific terrorist attack on innocent people who have a different religion than their attackers....who need protection. God Bless America.

    Great job on the recap Ed.

    And Laura, Keith does make contributions--as in contributions to Bill and HRC. But that makes him the next Edward R. Murrow, not a biased, partisan hack according to the Olbyloons.

    Notice that they can't and won't and don't defend him using yet another corpse (why is it only dead people are fans of KO's shows???) to promote his program. That Keith Olbermann is just so classy isn't he? So let's avoid discussion of THAT and post yet another off-subject article--that's the Olbyloons' answer to everything. They're as "classy" as he is.

    I see it these suicide bombing as proof we should stay. And it is hardly proof that the surge is failing... a more reasonable thinker might see it as evidence that the surge is forcing them to more desperate attacks. But I would not present these bombings as evidence of surge failure as the loons have today.

    It comes down again to ideology. The elected Iraqi government wants to have a heterogenous society that respects religious views....Islamic, Christian, Jewish, Yazidic, etc.....a society 180 degress from what Saddam Hussein imposed in his people....one of fear, violence, hatred. They want a democracy, a representative republic.....

    The radical islamists do not want this government to be a success and will do anything to accomplish their goal....kill civilians, kill American troops, kill Irqi troops, destroy 1000 year-old mosques, you name it.

    The left wants to ignore the ideology of the terrorists because it thwarts their conclusion that the US is the bad guy in all this. Just like in Vietnam, the bad guy's ideology is secondary to the political goals of a narcissistic and power-hungry group of Western elitists who think they are the smartest people in the room. As an example of this hubris, just look at their representatives lately on this board.....the elitist and proud attitude just slimes their posts as they demean those with a different opinion as either "deluded," or "stupid."

    PK,

    I looked and I looked, son; but, I STILL cannot find where you refute anything that I posted, yesterday. I'll help you out, child:

    Record deficits

    Record trade deficit

    Record bankruptcies

    Record foreclosures

    Wages behind inflation

    Lowest job creation since WWII...

    Keith Olbermann has a fixation with Fox News, and with anything conservative.

    Not what you originally said jarhead... but keep spinning. Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. You happen to be the only one that things you are clear. Check the thread. Lie after lie. I never said this. I never said that.

    Cee,
    Agreed. Just amazing to see the left use these suicide bombings to advance their anti-war agenda. It misses the point.

    RODENT, YOU SAID-
    "The economy under Bush has grown more poorly than any president in modern memory except Hoover."

    Yet still can't post ANYTHING to support poor growth. BECAUSE that is 100% wrong. But keep spinning rat! Weeeeeeee!

    This dooshbag actually had the nerve to say that Phil Rizzuto was a fan of his show and watched it?

    This is an 89 year old man who was in frail health for years whose life revolved around the Yankees and his family, and he expected me to believe Phil Rizzuto was a fan of Countdown

    What a mammaluke....Keith Olberman, today and tomorrow and the next day's Worst person in the world

    Dick, for any asshat here who supports this turd (this means you Mayor Mike of Olbyloons) You are so far gone you are not worth chaseing after anymore

    Cee,
    Iranian Guard as a terrorist group...
    Good or bad?

    I understand the move, but think that
    trying to control their funds this way is
    dangerous. Isn't there a more covert way?

    The Uberdouche hour consists mainly of sophomoric insults aimed at direct competitors (with superior ratings), sexual innuendo, and potty jokes. Fox Noise, Fixed News, Bill Orally, monkey, fat-ass, Coultergeist, etc. ... Edward R. Murrow is rolling in his grave. Keith's regular guests read like a who's who of "D" list moonbats... but, of course, Keith's not politically biased. Comedian Jackie Mason said it best: "Keith Olbermann is a putz"... no wonder he never got invited back on Meltdown!

    Did Olbermann really claim Scooter watched the show?

    Well, if you didn't know it, Phil Rizzuto was a red blooded
    republican. LINK-
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pitchka/Republican_Celebrities_Page

    I know there are probably ZERO republicans that consider themselves "fans of "countdown".

    Imagine that, another self-serving lie from KeithO.

    its just another example of fatman making it all about himself.
    I am sick of him trying to be a part of-
    democrat debates,
    scooters passing,
    to catch a predator

    benson,

    Just like the 20th century threat of totalitarianism spread through the horrible ideology of Marxism, radical islam is not being addressed by the UN and the rest of the civilized world.....so it is up to The United States to stand up to the despotism and call a spade a spade....Iran does support the annihilation of Israel, the destabalization of Iraq and the elimination of The United States as a positive influence in the world....and Iran does this through state sponsored terrorism.

    I have no problem with the designation because it is based on their behavior. The UN fails to act to protect religious minorities and those who support freedom so there is no one else with the power to do what is right other than The United States. I am proud that The Bush administration is consistently on the right side of the issue...the issue of freedom versus totalitariansism. The left, on the otherhand is consistent in their choices, what is best for their own narrow special interests.

    Just to recap

    -Scooter was 89 and reportedly left the stadium to go home to bed immediately after yankee games.

    -Scooter was a broadcaster of Yankee games that went from 7 to 10pm nightly.

    -Scooter was a redblooded republican.

    So loons, was he a fan as KeithO claims?

    Perhaps Olberman meant he was a fan while he was at ESPN? That is a possibility. Even I liked Olbermann when he was on ESPN......

    I agree- but i think Olbermann omitted that fact by accident.

    PK,

    Simply look at the GDP increase per year...

    http://www.bea.gov/national/nipaweb/TableView.asp#Mid

    If the mathematics are a problem, let me know, son...

    Hint: Bush weighs in at a paltry 2.5 percent per year...

    Apparently, PK's balls have dropped off...

    Too bad...

    I agree- but i think Olbermann omitted that fact by accident.

    Posted by: benson at August 15, 2007 11:26 AM

    Of course he did.

    Cee: "Even I like Olbermann when he was at ESPN......"

    My guess is that you would probably like me if only I approved of your beloved war and Commander in Chief, and you probably would still like Olbermann if he was as well.

    The Woman and Race Baiting comments were extra deplorable, even by the deplorbale one's standards.

    No Mike, I do not like arrogant shills of a failed ideology....Keith Olbermann did not display such stupidity when he was at ESPN and stuck to what he was gifted. As a political commentator, he has lost any credibility because he is not objective or fair in allowing both sides of a political issue equal time. He has obviously sold-out to Clinton Inc. but continues to claim to be a journalist. That is why I do not like him.

    I also think he is a mental midget and thin skinned, but that has entertainment value because when he tries to elevate himself it is very amusing to see the attempt to be more than he could ever think he could achieve.

    Notice Olbermann gets jumpy and happy when there's bad new out of Iraq.
    He's a sick man!

    Cee: "No Mike, I do not like arrogant shills of a failed ideology...."

    Then you must really hate yourself!

    Har, har, Mike...No I said, "do not like," not "hate;" there is a difference. Also, my ideology has not failed the human race like leftist ideology has time after time, after awful/violent time. It has its shortcomings, but unlike the polluted faith of the left, it does not use a foundation laced with lies, hatred and hypocrisy.

    Still no PK...

    I wonder where that boy is...

    Rodent- did you do the Carter math?
    I didn't think so- its called comparison

    Cee, if you don't think the ideology you represent on this board hasn't failed, it's because the blinders you are wearing are far more restictive than Kieth Olbermann's.

    And it is difficult to believe you would even make a statement stating that your ideology isn't laced with a "foundation with lies, hatred, and hypocrisy"....in light of recent history.

    Under Carter it increased around 12 percent per year (using GDP non-chained)...

    Under Bush, around 5 percent...

    The ruins of leftist ideology are all around me, Mike....From the streets of Newark, NJ to the Korean peninsula.... the obvious ends of an ideology that values people only in terms of polticial capital is proof positive of failure.

    That is the foundation of leftist (and democratic party) ideology.....political (class) hierarchy that is used (manipulated) to achieve material ends .

    My ideology is based on the value of the individual as simple as that....the individual is not man or woman, not black or white, not gay or straight, not poor or rich, not Muslim or Christian with prejudices to pander to. I do not believe in the idea of fear to motivate people to congregate around a politicial ideology. That is the difference between what I believe in and what the left presents as wisdom.

    An my ideology has not failed.

    Amazing how the democrats want to hand Al Queda a victory in Iraq....

    If this is not the front for the war on terror, then what is?

    ******************************

    This attack -- the spectacular nature of it, the complete disregard for human life, the car bombs that were used -- all have a consistent profile with al Qaeda in Iraq violence," said Brig. Gen. Kevin Bergner, Multi-National Force-Iraq spokesman.

    An Iraqi Interior Ministry official also was adamant that the strikes were the work of al Qaeda in Iraq.

    Tuesday's attacks killed at least 200 people and wounded at least 300 others.

    Feechie,

    >>If this is not the front for the war on terror, then what is?

    Try Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, son...

    Notice how blindrat did not address the fact that 200 "people"(as he flippantly dismissed these poor victims), were targeted by radical islamic TERRORISTS just because they are a religious minority.

    Once again, the ideology of the left embraces such behavior...."people" are simple topics of discussion about a domestic political power struggle.....some of the bombed bodies are likely not even cold yet and blindrat is using their murders as political fodder!

    And I am sure some of our brave men and women in uniform are helping these latest victims of terrorism.

    cee,

    I find it difficult to believe that you are sincere when we bombed tens of thousands of innocent civilians to death and you said nothing. Let's not pretend that you give a shit, son...

    By the way, if we were to wipe out the actual headquarters (Pakistan) of Al Qaeda or its cash cow (Saudi Arabia) there would be no more attacks in Iraq...

    Wow.....I keep up with the news Blindrat.... I can't recall a recent attack in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan where 200 were killed and 300 wounded.

    I guess this little Al Queda attack was a skirmish.

    Cee and Benson,

    Not that you asked but my initial reaction to the designation is troubling. The Republican Guard is a uniformed service of a recognized nation. There is lots of gray about them, their "elite" status which often means paramilitary and their size +-125,000.

    By Army protocol and standards, (if we were in open recognized armed conflict with Iran) they would be a clearly defined enemy whom we could attack with clear purpose to eliminate. By putting them on this list we seem to be saying, "we'll never go at it head to head so let's try a new path."

    Frankly, we are taking the military out of the fight since they still follow the rules of war and placing it in...someone's hands, but I don't think the US has that part figured out yet.

    I am not a hawk looking for another fight. By no means at all. But more and more we are blurring the lines between our clearly defined roles. The military and the Army kill and defend. The State Department builds. The Intelligence services gather and analyize. Granted the intelligence service shares some of the military's role but their proportion of violence is much smaller that the Army's.

    Maybe we are headed to a rethinking of all the roles. But I just don't like this throw it up and see what sticks approach.

    If the end goal is a favorable political result than work harder on the politics.

    Feechie,

    Glad that you keep up with the news, son. Perhaps you can tell me why Al Qaeda would attack the countries that fund and hide them...

    "we bombed tens of thousands of innocent civilians to death"


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    Incorrect, blindrat. The invasion and occupation of Iraq was undertaken with due warning and with the avoidence of civilian casualties. The deaths of any civilian in Iraq is at the feet of Saddam Hussein, the insurgents and the radical islamist terrorists that have made Iraq the central front of the war of terror.

    You blame the United States for the deaths of innocents....you are wrong. The Iraqi government is trying to establish a democracy while radical elements have decided armed conflict is the way.....The US is playing a supporting role in security and does not target civilians.

    Again, the difference between me and a leftist.....The US armed forces are on the side of freedom and the insurgents/terrorists are responsible for the deaths of civilians.....but to my lost brethren on the left it is the other way around.....the insurgents and radical islamic terrorists are the good guys and when they suicide bomb 200 Kurds it is the US's fault!

    deluded.

    Carter: Interest rate, 21%. Inflation, 13.5%. Unemployment, 7%.

    Bush today: Interest rate, 8%. Inflation, 2.6%. Unemployment, 4.5%.

    Who was it that had the worst economy again?

    Cee: "My ideology is based on the value of the individual as simple as that."

    Funny, Cee, because that is PRECISELY what my ideology is based on.

    Strange: I guess the problem must be that we are living in parallel universes?

    Facts,

    This is funny, PK on one end wanting me to show results in terms of economic health (usually GDP), then, he disappears and you show up with anecdotal bits thinking that proves something.

    Wages have barely gone up under Bush (REAL wages, son); moreover, even taking into account inflation, the average American was earning more at the end of Carter's term than at the begining. A much higher percentage than from Bush's hilarious term in office...

    Employment is great, but if you cannot afford to live on what you earn, it isn't much, is it, child?

    ACtually, in today's America, an unskilled worker can take two or three jobs, spend his entire existance doing nothing but working to keep his/her head above water...yet still fall deeper and deeper into debt and dispair.

    The right wing has no problem with this though...because most of THEM are doing OK.

    They have accepted fundamental selfishness as an ideal and have successfully sold it to millions.

    Once again, if you could provide a link or source for your statements, it would be greatly appreciated.
    And i'm not your son or your child. Quit being so fucking patronizing. It makes you look like a complete knob. Not to mention that it would defy genetics. You couldn't produce an offspring with an IQ this high.

    Blindrat, people should have saved their money from when the economy was so great, and they could have been better prepared for this econmomic downturn. Savings reached all time lows in the great 90's economy. people lived beyond their means, and now its up to the government to bail them out?

    "Blndrat, people should have saved their money from when the economy was so great, and they could have been better prepared for this economic downturn."

    The right wing's selfish mantra: Shoulda, woulda, coulda...they didn't, so screw em!

    By the way, if we were to wipe out the actual headquarters (Pakistan) of Al Qaeda or its cash cow (Saudi Arabia) there would be no more attacks in Iraq...

    Posted by: blindrat at August 15, 2007 12:51 PM

    Where does Iran fit into your little plan? Let em slide?

    Here's the problem: Dems fervently believe in socialisim, if not down-right communism. They believe being wealthy is a horrible sin and that the wealthy should be stripped of their cash to give to the less fortunate (i.e., them). They believe in socialized medicine. They believe in socialism period. Funny, they seem to have no problem however with millionaire Democrats like Clinton & Edwards & Kerry. Hypocrites.

    blindrat certainly is a condescending little prick, isn't he?

    This discussion on the economy is one of those bizarro topics were everyone is essentially correct.

    My idea has always been to introduce a financial services company that lies between a private wealth manager and a credit counselor. Just the sheer size of the middle class would mean your charges and fees could be extremely low and the only real result you'd have to produce is an increase in clients personal savings.

    Of course the problem is American's concept of money. You save someone $10,000 over two years they'll think they are rich and blow it on a $40,000 car.

    brandon,

    Neocons do very well in debates when they can play both sides...like limbaugh...

    Otherwise, they pretty much suck at it, son...

    "blindrat certainly is a condescending little prick, isn't he?"

    END QUOTE

    You mean bitter, bald-headed old fart.

    Lussy hurls:

    "The right wing's selfish mantra: Shoulda, woulda, coulda...they didn't, so screw em!"

    END QUOTE

    The left wing's selfish mantra: Lets talk about me, lets talk I, lets talk about no. 1 oh, my, me, I......Give me, I deserve, me, me, me, I have my rights, reparations.............

    Yeah Lussy, it's called capitalism. All the governement owes you is freedom. People got rich because they are smarter than you and your libreral free loaders, they studied harder and they worked harder.

    Posts Facts:

    "Quit being so fucking patronizing. It makes you look like a complete knob."

    END QUOTE

    He's just trying to show his age and impress us with his worldly knowledge because he's "seen it all". A real jack of all trades, master of none.

    Laura,

    Name ONE laissez-faire capitalist nation, son...

    Just one...

    "Funny, Cee, because that is PRECISELY what my ideology is based on."


    ###
    Well if it truly is Mike, I do not know how you could support any of the current democrat party candidates.

    It is illogical to claim your ideology is not based on constituency while the left's ruling class speak and act in the opposite fashion. Just look at their debates....they are all specific to classes of people....labor, race, sexual orientation....the left has always functioned based on the power of labels and compartments that they use to manipulate people with fear. I would recommend you think about it.

    Power obtained through such tactics is corrupt and suspect.


    Questions BR:

    "Name ONE laissez-faire capitalist nation, son..."

    END QUOTE

    To begin with, my dad is dead. And six feet under he's more than a man than you are breathing five feet above gound.

    Um, unfortunately, you are breathing my free air in one right this minute. But, you can do like Oblyfuck said last night, you and Lussy can leave together and get a discount on your trip to Venuzuela.

    I like the ay you liberals always coin an excuse to ridicule. Today, it's people traveling to Iraq are on a "Dog and Pony Show". NOw you have one of those that you agree with, Sean Penn, viisting Venuzuela bragging about what he saw. This is after his tour of Iraq with Sadam. And you hurl about a dog and pony show. Too bad Sean missed the events I saw on video a couple of weeks ago where Sadam was throwing entire families off the roof of a 5-6 story building one at a time bound. They were in a line and marched to the edge and thrown over. You sit there and saw your family member thrown over the side before it was your turn.

    It's too damned bad I aint runing the country. I would have had the Navy doing target pratice about the time Sean Pussy left Venuzuela and sent that traitor tot he bottom of the Atlantic where he belongs.

    The probelm Cee, is your cynical analysis of the motivations of those on the left, only SOME of which are true, ...along with your willingness to reject all pretentions that the motivations of your stated heros on the right have equally (or worse) cynical motivations.

    I maintain a solid grasp regarding ethics and morality, ...yet I simply don't see any of that in any of the arguments, rationalizations, or actions of those on the right these days.

    Those on the left have dissapointed me many times as well, and I presume they will continue to do so....but on the whole, they come far closer to offering the proper balance of ethics, economics, morality, and practicality than those on the right.

    son child child son son child child son son child child son son child child son son child child son son child child son son child child son son child child son

    look how cool i am saying child and son. it shows that i think i have superiority over those to whom i am speaking. when in reality, it is because i actually feel slightly insecure about my thoughts and positions. maybe even very insecure. but if i talk down to someone, i at least feel superior. i don't even realize that i come across as a complete tool.

    Cee, if you don't know what I mean...just look at the comments of one of your cohorts at 2:02 PM and tell me you are actually proud of being ideologically associated with that poster?

    Laura,

    That's a lot of words to say that you don't know of one. Too bad that your father is deceased...seems like there was still some parenting left to do, child...

    Well BR, I learned long ago the world aint perfect, the world doesn't revolve around me, why whine about events out of my control and could care less about others opinions. I worry about my family and my own backside. My sandbox is a lot bigger than yours or Lussy's, I have the nerve to stick more than just my big toe out of my sandbox, don't live under my bed because a liberal tells me too, could care less about the national debt or global warming because it aint hurt me in the 42 years I've been working since I was six, I is the capatain of my own ship and I is responsile for my own actions. I've seen it all, did it all, I walks it likes I talk it. I hate faggots not because I'm a homophobe or as Donahue says I'm afraid of my inner most feelings, I don't like talking to someone that has had a dick in his mouth and one in his ass. I'm smart enough to know who wants to kill us, smart enough to know the party that supports fags, flag burners, athethists, those that want symbols of Christ removed while defending a fags right to parade around with his ding dong in a chain hanging from his neck, call terrorist patriots, support terrorist, worry about terrorists rights and treatment and make statements that if we are winning in Iraq it is bad for their party are on the wrong side.

    I know God is in charge ACE.

    You are terrified of terrorists and terrified of Hell, son...

    I am not...

    "I worry about my family and my own backside."

    Yes, I know! It's the right wing credo that has somehow convinced millions that personal selfishness is a virtue and true regard and respect for your fellow man is a vice.

    Somehow, today's right wing has convinced millions that up is down, down is up, and wrong is right.

    I'm glad I have been personally able to see through all of that self serving ideology and remain convinced the the pendulum is finally, but ever so slowly swinging back in the 'right' direction.

    Because man is better than that!

    Mike,

    You have to understand, Laura is not a Christian...

    Or, did Christ say, "Just watch your family and your own backside"?...

    Oh, it's perfectly clear that 'Laura' is anything but a Christian, Blindrat.

    But it goes far beyond that. He is anything but a decent human being as well, and it is not necessary to be a Christian in order to be a decent person.

    http://democrashield.wordpress.com/


    The truth about fake news...

    I wish the lefts criticism of religion extended to Venezuela, where christianity is being used to justify socialism, or the middle east, where islam is used to justify the murder of innocents. You guys do relize that outside the U.S. and India, religion is firmly planted on your side, and the same rhetoric that you dispise here, is used to justify your position throughout the world. If christianity made the jump to Democrats en masse, youd defend it as if it were your own child.

    Christianity and Socialism are two peas in a pod. Do you really, in your wildest dreams, believe that God condones a system based upon greed?

    READ your Bible for a change, child...

    blindrat, Gods talk of giving dealt with charity. Choosing to help your fellow man. Not being forced to.

    One problem socialism has with christianity is that socialism doesn't much like competition. We cant have the church giving people different ideas can we?

    Cee, if you don't know what I mean...just look at the comments of one of your cohorts at 2:02 PM and tell me you are actually proud of being ideologically associated with that poster?

    Posted by: Mike at August 15, 2007 2:07 PM


    If you don't know what I mean, hypocrite, read any one of your cohorts, bill o'liars posts. How many times has he wished death on Bush, Cheney and numorous others? Have you ever said one word? No, not a single one. Are you proud to be on his side?

    By the way, if we were to wipe out the actual headquarters (Pakistan) of Al Qaeda or its cash cow (Saudi Arabia) there would be no more attacks in Iraq...

    Posted by: blindrat at August 15, 2007 12:51 PM

    Where does Iran fit into your little plan? Let em slide?

    Posted by: royalking at August 15, 2007 1:26 PM


    crickets......

    blindrat just showed his ignorance of history.....

    "Christianity and Socialism are two peas in a pod."


    ###
    Karl Marx's philosophy was the antithesis of Christ's teachings. His view of the human condition was also in total opposition to what Christ taught. Man base character, alienation, need for God.....all polar opposites to Christ's teachings.

    Marx's anti-semitic and anti-religious conclusions ushered in both the hatred of the Nazis and communists of the 20th century and billions died as a result of the ideology.

    Oh boy. And to say socialism is not based on greed is so naive! Socialism needs greed to exist. The fact that geed exists in the heart of man is why Marxism/socialism/Leninism/Stalinism/communism whatever even existed.

    Once again, the view from the left is a scary one.

    blindrat should stick to preaching of the koran.

    Mayor Mike wrotel, and it is not necessary to be a Christian in order to be a decent person.


    Who in the fuck gives a shit what you think, its this doosh like rhetoric from you that makes this board a continuing gay off

    And blindrat still has not corrected himself about the bias crime in Iraq today........

    "A U.S. general said the nearly simultaneous strikes against the Yazidis who have been attacked by Muslim extremists who consider them infidels was an act of 'ethnic cleansing.' An American military spokesman blamed the attack on al-Qaida."


    ###
    Yep......"pull out the troops now" says the American left....defenders of the weak and vulnerable....The US troops are the enemy! They kill the civilians! They are the real terrorists! They bomb and destroy villages!

    Yep......Vietnam all over again.....anti-freedom and anti-democracy ideology supported by the American left! What consistency!

    Get the troops out now.....cut the funds!

    Thanks Mike for clueing me in that its not necessary to be christian in order to be a good person, i was sitting here with my koran open with my knife firmly pressed against my vein, ready to empty some blood in the name of allah, and you have come along to show me the way,,,,

    I now will become an upstanding member of society and promise not to blow you up when the jihad comes, all praise to allah, your allah mike

    "Who the fuck gives a shit what you think, its this doosh like rhetoric from you that makes this board a continuing gay off"

    Hey, now THAT was a really intelligent post!

    Glad I could help.

    Oh and the poor democrats just will have to try something different to keep their promise to the fringe left regarding getting the troops out by 2008 (remember that "mandate" you leftists instructed me about after the 2006 elections?)......

    "WASHINGTON — The top American commander in Iraq said Wednesday he was preparing recommendations on troop cuts before he returns to Washington next month for a report to Congress, and believes the U.S. footprint in Iraq will have to be 'a good bit smaller' by next summer.

    "But he cautioned against a quick or significant U.S. withdrawal that could surrender 'the gains we have fought so hard to achieve.'

    "Gen. David Petraeus said the 'horrific and indiscriminate attacks' against the Yazidis, an ancient religious sect, in northwestern Iraq Tuesday night were the work of Al Qaeda in Iraq. That would bolster his argument, he said, against too quickly drawing down the 30,000 additional U.S. troops deployed in the first half of the year.

    "The general issued his comments to a small group of reporters who accompanied him to the headquarters of a group of former Sunni insurgents who are now working with American and Iraqi forces against Al Qaeda in western Baghdad's Amariyah neighborhood.

    "Petraeus listened intently as the so-called Freedom Fighters' 40-year-old leader, who uses the nom-de-guerre Abu Abed, explained his transformation and said he switched sides because Al Qaeda was ravaging the neighborhood and trying to impose its austere version of Islam.

    "Members of the neighborhood volunteer army milled about, U.S.-supplied pistols strapped to their hips and AK-47 automatic rifles at the ready. Petraeus reviewed a short line of the auxiliary force and shook hands with each man."

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,293382,00.html


    ###
    Oh where are the democrats screaming that the troops will be out of Iraq by 2008? What are they going to do? The surge was failing, the war immoral and the US forces were the problem in Iraq.....There was no connection between the war on terror and Iraq....there was no Al Qaida in Iraq....we should be out of there.....

    The squirming will be fun to watch in September.

    Oh and where is Keith Olbermann's latest Special Comment about cutting the support for the war?

    Stop the war...get the troops home....cut the funds NOW!

    And this is my post today, the 1,568th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    Hey, now THAT was a really intelligent post!

    Glad I could help.

    Posted by: Mike at August 15, 2007 4:29 PM

    >>>As opposed to this "intelligent" post? It never ends.

    Hey look, there's Jeff again....the troop hater who doesn't think enough of them have been killed!

    Posted by: Mike at August 15, 2007 2:33 AM

    Cee: You continue to swell with pride about the unnecessary quagmire your heros have created while discussing how the "fringe left" are the only ones in disgreement.

    I suggest you read Hawkeye's very insightful post from yesterday, which was also reposted once earlier today, for an accurate glimpse of the real dilemma facing most Americans.

    Your idiot in chief and his minions got us into this mess, and now the only real issue is how to get out without creating the worst scenario imaginable, ....in which there remains much disgreement among reasonable people.

    However, YOUR position is NOT reasonable at all. You continue to cheer the idiots that caused this mess even as you jeer the ones who knew it was a mistake from the begining, while razzing the ones who are trying to fix it...one way or the other.

    The only universal TRUTH in the entire matter is that we should never have been stupid enough to have gone in there in the first place.

    Yet you continue to trumpet your unabashed admiration for all the morons who created this mess.

    UNBELIEVABLE!

    However, YOUR position is NOT reasonable at all

    Posted by: Mike at August 15, 2007 4:47 PM


    Says who? The far leftists? Olbermahn? Huffpo? Daily krap? DU? MM? Any proof cee is not reasonable?

    "Any proof cee is not reasonable?"..............................ROFLMAO!

    Just wanted your response for future reference and proof you had nothing.

    cee,

    Marx was a communist, son. Europe does very well as a mixture of socialism and Christianity...

    Mike sits at the left hand of allah, with his 73 virgins, for clueing you all in that you dont have to be a christian to be a good person

    All praise to Allah, and Mike, all praise to Mike for his insight, he is the Buddah of the Olbermann board

    His family will be spared when the jihad comes, because he knows you dont need to be a christian to be a good person

    You tell that one to your christian fundamentalist sister?....All praise Allah....and Mike

    "Mike sits at the left hand of Allah,"

    Actually, the truth is that I consider all religion to be a wishful fairy tale, but I was raised as a Methodist and certainly consider the tenants of Christianity to be far more credible than Islam.

    That said 'Tony', I'm well aware that your 5:47 post was just another attempt to pull my chain, but trust me, you're not capable of doing that.

    As for your "when the Jihad comes" nonsense:....Earth to Tony: The 'Jihad' has been going on since the 7th century AD.

    Alllllah Akbahhhhhhhhhhhh Mike Alllah Akbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

    Yesterday's attack was aimed a small sect or minority group that the Muslims see as heretics. The area they were attacked at wasn't guarded by American troops who had been deployed elsewhere as part of the surge. Source? ABC News and Charlie Gibson. I guess you consider them radical right-wingers now huh?

    I love how Gibson has no response for why he was named WPITW...I also love how ESchatz posted that video as if he actually rebutted what was said...he just goes off on some tirade about Olbermann saying something about gay people as opposed to clarifying why on earth he would laugh at a grown man pouring his sorrows out over the tragedy that was 9/11....

    Oh yeah, And I love how ESchatz defended Gibson

    And I love how most everyone on this website would do the same.

    His avoidance of the truth is as obvious as the Royalfraud cheering on all of his lies .

    Posted by: Why Do you care at August 15, 2007 7:34 PM


    Which lies would those be?

    I can't help but question the possible inspiration for Al Queda's bombing that particular group of people. Obviously Al Queda has a track record of not caring who they kill (a fact sunnis have apparently begun to relize as well). Were they simply looking to hit an unsecure area, where american forces are generally considered no to be needed, ahead of the September 15 report? Or is this a change of tactics, where they are trying to win back wanning support among sunnis by targeting people considered by most muslims to be infidels?

    While unlikly, I truly hope that this atrocity of unspeakable horror that they have committed will serve as the death nail for Al Queda in Iraq. Mass casualties on this level shows them for what they really are. Not freedom fighters or anti-western crusaders, but mass murderers. Plain and simple. And i pray that those few Iraqis who had still up to this point championed their cause will see that now, and help put an end to the death and violence perputrated by Al Queda.

    The Iraqis needed something, beyond soccer, to bond them together. It is strange indeed that al Qaeda may be that impetus.

    Sharon: "It is strange indeed that al Qaeda may be that impetus"

    That is the main reason I believe that Al Qeada will never be allowed to gain much of a foothold in Iraq...even if we leave.

    That is the main reason I believe that Al Qeada will never be allowed to gain much of a foothold in Iraq...even if we leave.
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    I do believe that most Sunnis have and will continue to reject Al Queda, but only so much as they recieve adequate security (or protection, however you see it.)

    If the shia were to rain down on them, i fear where they might turn.

    For instance if they "were hammered, and in their desperation turned to a man they didn't fully understand"

    For anybody who caught that last quote, touche. Micheal Caine rules.

    They would not have stood up as they did without help from the U.S. (IMO)
    Let Petreus do his job. He probably foresaw the unification, given his counterintelligence expertise.

    given his counterintelligence expertise.
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    I Know what you meant, but you gotta admit that was funnty.

    At least you didn't phrase it this way, "Patreus wrote the book on counterintelligence." lol.

    I laugh at myself all the time : )

    I laugh at myself all the time : )
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    me too. I just spelt funny with a "t" for crying out loud.

    I saw the "t" and thought maybe I was missing something, like getting pwned.

    Wholly anecdotal? I would not say that. It got no significant airtime (if any,, actually). Why would that be?

    ANd why IS it heartwarming? I'll check for your response later. (BTW, I can link lots of these kind of stories, not dancing ones, but no one seems to care. Here is another. I'll stop at that and check later for any response.


    Coalition Soldiers Rescue 2-year-old Iraqi Boy From Well

    powellandboy.JPGCAMP TAJI, Iraq – Multi-National Division – Baghdad Soldiers rescued a 2-year-old Iraqi boy from a dry well in which he fell Aug. 9.

    Soldiers with Company B, 2nd Battalion, 5th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Brigade Combat Team, 1st Cavalry Division responded to the pleas for assistance from the father of a 2-year-old boy who had fallen into a dry well near the family’s residence.

    The company commander, Capt. David Powell of Newport Beach, Calif., was about to begin a scheduled security patrol when the boy’s father approached the gate of his Coalition outpost on foot. Using an interpreter, Powell quickly assessed the situation and sent the patrol to assist with the recovery of the child.

    The father directed the Soldiers to the location of the well and Powell used his flashlight to find the child at the bottom.

    “I could see that the baby had fallen some 25 feet and was lying at the bottom of the well,” Powell said. “He appeared to be breathing, but would not answer to our calls.”

    Using a back hoe from the outpost, the patrol began a slow and meticulous process of digging a parallel shaft to the dry well, then tunneling to the well horizontally, being careful not to cause the well to cave in.

    “The back hoe made quick work of the rescue shaft just to the south of the well. Then the real digging began,” said Powell.

    Because of the instability of soil, a fear of a cave-in and desire to not risk any of his Soldiers, Powell selected himself and Staff Sgt. Raul Torres, a native of San Venito, Texas, to dig the horizontal shaft to the well.

    Using an entrenching tool, a flat-head screwdriver, rebar and other primitive farming tools, Powell and Torres went to work.

    After several hours of digging, a faint crying was heard from the boy.

    “He sounded scared, but OK,” said Powell. “I don't think I have ever heard a more beautiful sound.”

    After five hours of digging the horizontal shaft reached the well. The well was basin shaped at the bottom, making the boy very difficult to locate. After several attempts to reach for the boy, Powell was able to pull the boy to safety.

    Coalition medics on the scene quickly assessed the boy, finding no serious injuries. The child was then returned to his mother and father, who were thankful for the assistance. The patrol then filled in the hole they dug, and returned to their outpost.

    The following day, Powell visited the family’s residence with a medic to ensure the child was not having any medical issues from the fall. The medic determined the child was in perfect health.

    “In my 18-years in the Army,” Powell said, “this is, by far, the greatest thing I have ever done.”

    Did I mention that I would check later for any response : )

    It got no significant airtime (if any,, actually). Why would that be?

    Posted by: Sharon at August 15, 2007 11:28 PM

    Leave it to philby to downplay the story. Fox News covered the story all day long the day it broke.

    Which lies would those be?
    Posted by: royalking at August 15, 2007 8:43 PM

    Go back and read my post. Your eye sight failing you .....too ?

    Posted by: Why Do you care at August 16, 2007 12:04 AM

    So, there aren't any, that's what I thought. Nice try.

    It's only the most RRWRs and most extreme progressives that see value in an intrusive government.

    Well, the governement has done plenty of "intruding" in the name of so-called progressives who could hardly be considered on the extreme wing. These well-meaning "progressives" see this as necessary because they believe the governement is better able to make decisions about what is best for them. Past results of governement run programs that are purportedly designed to "help" the downtrodden do not matter to "progressives"-- as long as they can say they threw some money at the problem, they can represent to the electorate that they "care"

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