If you read TVNewser (same as the old TVNewser), you would think Olby's ratings on Sunday were just through the roof. TVN can't just let the facts stand - that Olby placed fourth in demo. And TVN quotes an MSNBC stooge (unidentified, perhaps it was Katy) say that his ratings were great and nothing to sneeze at. The liberal lies never end.

Does this blog ever have content?

The new guy at TVN is gay. I think he's hoping for a date with Olby.

I can't believe he didn't smear Gibson tonight. His favorite source has a new piece on Gibs, AND it involves his favorite presidential contender.

Oh well... Tomorrow, then.

Leo this blog has far more content than Countdown ever will.

According to TVNewser, 4,146,000 total viewers watched, so Olby did cast a pretty wide net last night.

However, since only real men watch football, I doubt there was enough liberal moonbat viewership to translate into any significant ratings lift in the future. I guess we'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out.

Olbermann not only defends Dog Killers, but Islamic radicasls too.
He defends the fake outrage that the Saudi flag was on a soccer ball!
If it was Christians or Jews upset Olbermann would condemn them!
As always the Olbyloons will defend his support of Dog Killers and Islamic radicals!

Joker, you are just plain nuts!

Mike,
He defended Muslim outrage over a soccer ball!
Yet when Christians get upset he condemns them.
He's a hypocrite!

Does this blog ever have content?

Posted by: Leo at August 27, 2007 10:07 PM

NO we leave that to you and the rest of the left wing hacks over at Johnny "the Wap" Amato's Crooks and Liars site.

Peace out.

What an incredible disaster for the disgraced coward card collector. His big opportunity is not even on in most cities and is a dismal failure in all other cities. What was this moron thinking defending Michael Vick? You can just hear all his zombie friends in PETA clicking their remotes. Even the race baiter Al Sharpten isn't defending this piece of garbage. We know Olbermann, like most liberals, hates minorities. He would want to prop up Vick as a way to race bait and divide the country. What was NBC thinking? Why would any football fan want to watch this PC coward limp dick loser spout his estrogen? This is football, not the magic card show. America hating left wing socialist cowards don't like football. They like being push into locker by football players.

I would love to see the post-broadcast internals at NBC Sports about Sunday's halftime show and Keith's comments on Vick. Obviously he thinks he did a heck of a job, or else he wouldn't regurgitate it on Monday's "Countdown", but there's no way the execs can play that tape back and look at both the comment and the interaction between Olbermann, Costas and Collinsworth and see anything but a chemistry more toxic than the Union Carbide plant at Bhopal.

And that's going to be fun to watch, because more than anything, Keith wants to make a name for himself on The Network. MSNBC is one thing, but to be a star on the mother ship is an entirely different entity, where even a fourth place finish like "Countdown" managed on Sunday gets Keith 15 to 20 times his normal audience. Football Night in America shows all the potential of being a train wreck about the size of the one at the end of "Silver Streak", and that's not going to be good for Olbermann's ego, either on-screen on Sunday night or the next day on "Countdown", which could turn into a Monday night pout-fest by the end of September.

But it's going to be a hell of a lot of fun watching that train wreck John!

I wonder if Olby's low ratings will dip even further on Monday nights when MNF and the regular season starts. If they don't go down I guess that means football-watching men don't watch Meltdown. Oh wait, American Idle is starting up again. That means his show goes back to the Top 4 "news" stories, and the last quarter of the show on American Idle.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/17/hot-air-tv-in-baghdad/

Malkin in Iraq

America hating left wing socialist cowards don't like football. They like being push(ed) into locker(s) by football players.

Posted by: The Factor at August 27, 2007 11:07 PM

That's what I'm saying. How much more of an audience does a delusional Oralmann think he's attracting to MSNBC?? This would be like O'Reilly doing a special Factor on the LOGO channel in search of new viewers. Just ain't gonna work.

Can you imagin if Fox put O'Reilly on before a NFL football game. The howls from the left wing zombies in the media wouldn't stop. Olbermann would be ranting about it every night.

Factor: "America hating left wing socialist cowards don't like football".

Thats probably true but:

- America loving left wing capitalist heros definitely do...but they generally prefer college football by a 2:1 margin.

- America hating right wing Nazi cowards like football too...but they tend to prefer the world version (soccer).

- America loving right wing socialist cowards generally prefer basketball but will occasionally watch football as long as the color man is not a known left wing capitalistic Nazi.

_ America hating left wing Nazi heros will only watch football on week nights, and then only if the play by play anouncer is an avowed Michael Savage fan.

Bet Craig was a strong supporter of the family and voted against gay rights.

Just a hunch.

Posted by: at August 28, 2007 12:24 AM

You are probably right. Moral of the story.... Never trust an ass cowboy from either side of the isle.

"Bet Craig was a strong supporter of the family and voted against gay rights."

I hear he was just about to introduce a bill about men's room stallpeepery.

Have you met a soldier at a Welcome Home Party who ever saw Michelle Malkin in Iraq? I haven't either. Odd, isn't it? I saw Dan Rather in Galveston once. There you have it!

Posted by: Clucker at August 27, 2007 11:10 PM

Has the orange faced prick been to Iraq? Shut your lying ass up!

Pea Brain formerly known as Royal King and Jeff and several other names and lack thereof? See what I mean?

Posted by: Clunker at August 27, 2007 11:04 PM

Coming from Mrs. Philby/Clunker/rudy ramirez, what a friggin joke. Just curious, what are my other names, you lying piece of shit socialist?

Well, patsy, looks like you were right with your "gone by monday" spew. You were just off by about 40 mondays! No casualties of war to post today? Keep looking. The fun loving muslims set off 2 bombs in Pakistan, today. Why didn't you post those articles? Don't fit your agenda?

The spolbyloons are dead silent about the fact last nights meltdown to no ratings finished BEHIND a rerun of Americas Funniest Home Videos! Even more silent on the fact the orange faced prick endorsed killing, electrocuting and slamming dogs on the concrete to their death, not a PEEP from the "do good" liberals. Just imagine if that loser Vick had a (R) after his name!!!!! The hypocrisy meter is off the chart, tonight.

My God ! Mark Foley, Ted Haggard, Larry Craig, Jeff Gannon....etc

The republican pervert list keeps growing !

Posted by: at August 28, 2007 12:48 AM

>>>>I'll see your list of 4 and raise you 20! Nice try, patsy.

bill clinton
wilbur mills
wayne hays
john young
alan howe
fred richmond
gerry studds
brock adams
jim bates
gus savage
barney frank
charles robb
daniel inouye
mel reynolds
gary condit
paul patton
bob wise
jim mcgreevey
Neil Goldschmidt
Mike Lowry

There's some good news today for KO..a
Police officer in President Bush's motorcade crashed his motorcycle and died Monday in New Mexico...so now KO can blame Bush for that Officer's death..like Pat Tillman's murder,the collapse of the bridge,the trapped miners and of course the secret desire of KO to blame Bush for 9/11.

Now I'll just wait for A KO defender to tell me that KO would "NEVER" do such a thing.

"Katrina Response which the world will be discussing on it's upcoming anniversary."

And lying about what really happen and what really led to it..mainly the corruption and incompetence of the State and Local Officials..such as the Dem. Senator who diverted funds for the Levees,The Dem Gov. who refused to make the proper request for help from the Federal Government and the Dem mayor who was the one who stuck everyone in that superdome while he had a fleet of school buses that could of gotten them out of the city...but KO and the rest of MSM will blame Bush not only for the aftermath but for causing the hurricane to begin with...never let facts get in the way of Bush bashing.

As usual, you got nothing.

Posted by: at August 28, 2007 1:18 AM

You responded 4 times to "nothing?" You could only refute one out of 20? You're only rebuttal was "it was from 1974" so it doesn't matter? You're far left goggles don't see that far?

Progressives bashing gays! I am so shocked.

Progressives bashing gays! I am so shocked.

Posted by: Rico at August 28, 2007 3:12 AM

Nobody but Republicans bash "gays"; We are bashing people who set themselves up as arbiters of America's morality (i.e the Republicans Party), who seem to all be at best hypocritical, self-hating closeted homosexuals, or at worst dangerous pedophilic predators.

They are the ones that make national wedge issues out of these irrelevant points of personal morality and lifestyle choice - so its only fair that they be ridiculed when they turn out to be represent the very worst of the charicatures they attack in public.

Thank you, Alberto, for keeping us safe from child molesters:

"ROME — The U.S. Justice Department has told a Texas court that a lawsuit accusing Pope Benedict XVI (search) of conspiring to cover up the sexual molestation of three boys by a seminarian should be dismissed because the pontiff enjoys immunity as head of state of the Holy See.

Assistant U.S. Attorney General Peter Keisler said in Monday's filing that allowing the lawsuit to proceed would be "incompatible with the United States' foreign policy interests."...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,169909,00.html

Pisses Chicken Clucker:

"Does adding Bush's face to Mt. Rushmore constitute content? I guess that is more like foolishness. We have a great deal of that. Ever read Benson, Brandon or the Pea Brain formerly known as Royal King and Jeff and several other names and lack thereof? See what I mean?"

ND QUOTE

Would adding the head of Clinton's pecker pacify you? There is nothing wrong with those you mentioned. This site was created for them, not you, dumbass. Liberals are some stupid SOB's.

Clucks chicken shit:

"As someone who travels a good amount, I have to tell you I am not comfortable with all of these (R) perverts about."

END QUOTE

What's the matter, afraid of your most inner feelings?

And I have to question all the places and all the reasons to have these ferars you travel.

You are about as much a wordly traveler and a man of knowledge as Jefro Clampett.

***********************************

Pisses chciken shit:

"Do you suppose all of those guys that stare down the rows of urinals are (R)"

END QUOTE

Are you one of those guys that looks down the row of urinals to see if anyone is looking at you?

***********************************

Concludes chciken shit:

"guess the evidence available suggests yes."

END QUOTE

The evidence is clear your mommy was the dominant figure in your life.

Posts a chicken shit anonymous (1:22)asshole about to get his ass handed to him:

"Hey...Jeff gave it his best shot and came up empty, again.

I bet you can look into the 17 & 1800's for more Democratic scandals, little man.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

END QUOTE

Um, back in those days men such as Al Gore's great grandfather got his rocks off beating the backs of his slaves with a bull whip before he went in the barn and jacked off or Robert Byrd putting the ol' noose around a black man's neck just before he kicked the milk crate out from under his feet or kicked a black man while he was on the ground and get sexually aroused or Ted Kennedy performing an abortion by drowning.

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha.

Get back in your sandbox Simple Simon.

Moans BR:

"Thank you, Alberto, for keeping us safe from child molesters:"

END QUOTE

You need to be kept safe from a child molester????????????????

Are you a man??????????????

Are you not the one always calling people "child"?????????????????

You are not the only old man on this board but you are surely the only dirty old man.

The real loser in all this are the American people. The terrorist will be the ultimate winner. Mark my word.

Hey Clucker,

The proof of Malkin in Iraq is at this site. What other kind of proof do you want, affidavits from the people in the video? You have to actually go to the site; it won't come to you.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/01/17/hot-air-tv-in-baghdad/

Laura has started posting as Ted Nugent - emulating a fucked-up blow-hard who once bragged about shitting in his pants for a week to (successfully) avoid the Vietnam draft, but who now waves the flag and preaches a "warrior" ethic. I wonder how long before we hear that Terrible Ted has been sucking cock in public restrooms?

"Are you one of those guys that looks down the row of urinals to see if anyone is looking at you?"

If you're pissing in a Republican district that may be a sensible precaution.

It would also be a wise precaution if anywhere near Barney Frank or Jim McGreevy.

"Are you one of those guys that looks down the row of urinals to see if anyone is looking at you?"

If you're pissing in a Republican district that may be a sensible precaution.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at August 28, 2007 9:44 AM

Or any NJ Turnpike Restroom (Blue State)
Or any Miami Beach Restroom (Blue Town)
Or any San Francisco Restroom (Blue Town)
Or any Provinectown MA Restroom (Blue Town)
Or any New York City Restroom (Blue Town)

What world do you live in Sir Loin of Beef?

Johnny:

Nice write up....

I see the Today show could not contain themselves in the first 10 minutes this morning, attacking the republicans after the bathroom incident.

NBC news... Al Jazeera @ 30 rock.

Teddy,

Alberto Gonzoles has been telling us he's been keeping America safe from child molesters, son. Try to keep up with the news, boy...

Maybe Laura Bush IS Ted Nugent...

"That Nugent, he's a man's man. He talks the talk and walks the walk, right?

Except when it was time to register for the draft during the Vietnam era. By his own admission, Nugent stopped all forms of personal hygiene for a month and showed up for his draft board physical in pants caked with his own urine and feces, winning a deferment. Creative!..."

http://www.suntimes.com/news/roeper/529419,CST-NWS-roep27.article

Pea Brain formerly known as Royal King and Jeff and several other names and lack thereof? See what I mean?

Posted by: Clunker at August 27, 2007 11:04 PM

Coming from Mrs. Philby/Clunker/rudy ramirez, what a friggin joke. Just curious, what are my other names, you lying piece of shit socialist?

more crickets from philby/rudy/clunker....Surprised? Not a bit. Just like most spolbyloons, can't back their constant spew.

Pisses SLOB:

"Laura has started posting as Ted Nugent - emulating a fucked-up blow-hard who once bragged about shitting in his pants for a week to (successfully) avoid the Vietnam draft, but who now waves the flag and preaches a "warrior" ethic. I wonder how long before we hear that Terrible Ted has been sucking cock in public restrooms?'

END QUOTE

If you feel that way about him so badly SLOB, why don't ya drive up to Minnesota and tell him how you feel right to his face.

But, we all know you are a chicken shit. What? Are you afraid of someone that shit's in their pants or has sucked cock? Are you a homophobe SLOB?

I guess it's safe to assume you would have the same criticism about Bill Clinton, the lying, pot headed, yellow bellied coward, rapist, child molester, draft dodging piece of shit that not only dodged the draft but when to Russia to protest our involvement in Nam.

Hurls SLOB in a vomit sense of the word:

"If you're pissing in a Republican district that may be a sensible precaution."

END QUOTE

Um, a real man could care less about someone looking at him. I'm sure if you are afraid some fag was eye balling you, you are afraid your innermost feelings like Donahue says may come out and you will have to fight the overwhelming urge to drop to your knees and chug cock.

Please do not tell us what you mean by "pleasant," Clucker.

Celebrating anonymous sexual liasons in public restrooms are not really a subject OW has had to deal with before.

Posts BR:

"Maybe Laura Bush IS Ted Nugent..."

END QUOTE

Damn, you are dumb.

Pisses BR:

"Alberto Gonzoles has been telling us he's been keeping America safe from child molesters, son. Try to keep up with the news, boy..."

Preceded by:

"Thank you, Alberto, for keeping us safe from child molesters:"

EDN QUOTE

US, US, US, US, US.

I don't need to be safe from a child molester, BR. You may have to be protected from a blind child molester though witht he way you talk.

Hey, BR, is that you, you little cutie, I like the way you talk, hum, I got something I want to slip up your ass tonight, hum.

Shits the clucker:

"I'll require more than this.'

END QUOTE

I tell ya what I require, I require you get your damn ass up in them there woods boy.

Tell us clucker, is it better to be the one humped up the ass or be the humpee. But, I bet Olby aint stretching too many assholes oversize now is he.

From Ted: "Damn, you are dumb."

Not so dumb that I would take the name of a coward that shit himself to avoid going to war, son...

For those so interested (Clucker) in the homosexual's techniques in trolling for anonymous sexual partners in public bathrooms, please feel free to enjoy this newscast's demonstration:

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/4946.html

You can thank me later, Clucker.

"...and a Miss Teen contestant, ridiculed with relish by Mr Misogynist for an inartful answer to a question. Why is the infamous, deplorable one picking on a teenage girl? Did she refuse to answer his emails? Does she dislike Merlot?" J$ recap

aint it the truth. I really hate that sick fu*k Olberloon.

blindrat certainly is a condescending little prick, isn't he?

Who'd a thunk it? Alberto "Torture Memo" Gonzales quit and Chucklenutz actually accepted his resignation.

The announcement interrupted MSNBC's live coverage of the Presidential Cancer Forum in Iowa, where Lance Armstrong and Chris Matthews are interviewing Democratic Candidates. The entire assembled audience erupted in thunderous applause.

Bush seemed less happy about the latest defection from Team Neocon.

It's been a tough couple of weeks for the Bush Crime Family. First Bush's bestest best friend in the whole world ever Karl Rove slithered out of the Oval Office, then Foxy the Snowman hinted that he'd have to leave because - gosh darn it - he wanted to make a ton of money and couldn't do it as a federal employee. Now Abu Gonzales is scuttling fast behind in their footprints.

Defending his leetle tejano 'till the bitter end, Bush said poor Gonzo was dragged through the mud, which "impeding" from doing his important work.

Grammatical errors aside, this presents a serious problem for Dim Son. Who will circumvent the Constitution to allow him to torture innocent civilians? Who will authorize the illegal wiretapping and surveillance of innocent Americans? Who will fire all those pesky US Attorneys that refuse to follow his uber-neocon agenda?

Can Michael "what hurricane" Chertoff fill Gonzo's little loafers? More importantly, who will be the next crime family consigliore to be voted off the island?

Dontcha just love it when the married "Family Values" (Ding!) Repugnacons who are steadfast against Gay Rights (Ding!) get caught trolling for dick in parks and public restrooms. Of course they only do that to pass time between prostitutes.

And what's REALLY funny is it doesn't even get a mention on such Fair and Balanced (Ding!) shows such as "Hannity & Colmes."

C'mon hounddog Hannity, you can bark at a wayward conservative every once in a while to at least make it LOOK like you are "Fair and Balanced."

Dems are the true hypocrites here. They embrace gays, bisexuals, transsexuals, omnisexuals, whatever. And they are supporters of gay marriage, gay rights, gay everything. But oh boy, let someone, say a GOP politican get caught in a sex scandal and they are all over it. And let the same happen to a Democratic politican and they'll claim it's a "private, personal" matter and shouldn't be talked about. If that's not being hypocritical I don't know what else is.

>If that's not being hypocritical I don't know what else is.

I'll help you out here Brandon.

Being a closet gay that votes against gay rights is hypocritical.

Is that too difficult for you?

No one could argue that what Sen. Craig was engaged in was a "private personal matter" even if Craig were a Democrat.

The guy was arrested for solicitation....

Hey Brandon-

Remember when Hannity was all over Edwards? Not for actually being rich, but for being what he called a hypocrite for speaking out against 'the system' that made him rich.

Remember when Hannity was all over Gore? Not for having a large house and flying in a jet, but for having a large house and flying in a jet and being outspoken against global warming.

It's not that your closet leaders are trolling for dick....

It's that they are hypocrites about it.

H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E-S

And, you, are an ignorant partisan for not even being bright enough to recognize the difference.

BTW, what's an "Omnisexual"? Is that how you describe somone desperate enough to have sex with you?

Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin (she subs for Billo and beats Olbermann in the ratings) is taking the pervert Senator to task:

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/28/the-larry-craig-mess/

Unlike the partisan democrats, who would excuse such disgusting behavior if there was a (D) by the man's name as simply behavior not hurting anyone and between consenting adults, normal people know it is deviant sexual behavior all the time.

Senator Craig's perverted compulsions are no different than that of the constituency the democrats bowed down to a couple of weeks ago. Why don't they take a poll to see how their supporters view anonymous sex in bathrooms.

I am sure James McGreevey (D) will have an opinion about it. And a lot of pleasant memories for himself to ponder!

Ech!

I don't know, I think McGreevy cheating on his wife who had just delivered their child pretty much counts as being hypocritical too. And putting his boyfriend on the state payroll? Also a PUBLIC matter in so far as it concerned taxpayer monies. But leave it to the Liberals to spin why it's not to be mentioned in one case and is just the worse thing that ever happened. Yeah, he's a hypocrite but he's far from alone in that department. I'd say that Libs have a corner on the Hypocrite department since they act as if being gay or engaging in a homosexual act is a sinful, shameful thing but yet embrace gays just so long as they vote Democratic.

Very insightful post by a MM blogger:

"He’s Republican and he’s got to go. The quicker the better. Were he Democrat, the police would be homophobes and we’d give him a committee. Funny how that works."

Hypocrite department since they act as if being gay or engaging in a homosexual act is a sinful, shameful thing but yet embrace gays just so long as they vote Democratic.
Posted by: Brandon at August 28, 2007 4:45 PM

Just waving aside the basic nonsense in this thread in general, one thing in this does seem worth commenting upon.

Have any of the Democratic presidential candidates come out for gay marriage? Kucinich, perhaps?

When we're talking about Dems being for "gay rights" we're really talking about them including sexual orientation within the Title VII civil rights act.

If they want sexual orientation (and the sexual practices therein) to be considered a minority status or a protected status, how can they then draw the line at extending legal marriage to gays based upon sexual orientation?

Well, we all know they do, because it's all such a shell game of going only as far as they think they can and still get there butts elected.

I look at Craig's online biography and he seems like he was a "green-eye shade Republican"--- a Republican largely concerned with monetary issues-- taxes, the size of govt, property rights, etc.... rather than a social conservative. IHe doesn't seem to be a Rick Santorium.

The guy probably rolled along with social conservatism, kept his head down, because of his conservative base in Idaho and went with the Republican Party primarily because it"s platform most reflects Craig's real political concerns.

Again, this doesn't seem anymore hypocritical than the game Dem candidates engage in when it comes to gay rights, and that's considered sound political maneuvering--- focusing on what you think is important, finding a party that best represents that (conservation...or... monetary policy...or....social conservatism...or... social justice, etc...) staying mainstream enough to be electable, while bidding you time and waiting for the sentiment in the country to catch up with you on your primary focus and other matters as well.

Not only do a lot of leftists tolerate this tactic as being realistic, they laud it as being the sort strategy that will ultimately bring change.

As I have said Craig's committed a crime not an impropriety....so it's different in his case.

But it seems like, for the purposes of the sort of hypocrisy discussed in this thread, this kind of "hypocrisy" is going on in politics all day long...

I say we put in perspective. No, it's not pretty, but there's plenty of it to go around...

>Hypocrite department since they act as if being gay or engaging in a homosexual act is a sinful, shameful thing but yet embrace gays just so long as they vote Democratic.
Posted by: Brandon at August 28, 2007 4:45 PM

I don't know about 'sinful' or 'shameful' but I do know about 'illegal.'

I couldn't care less what hypocritical republicans do behind closed doors. There's no law against hypocrisy. People will figure them out eventually.

However, I do not want my 7 year old son using a public urinal at an airport while two adult males are blowing each other in the stall a few feet away.

Call me old-fashioned, I guess...

"However, I do not want my 7 year old son using a public urinal at an airport while two adult males are blowing each other in the stall a few feet away."

Did you claim this attitude on some blog somewhere when James McGreevey (D) proudly pronounced his sexual trists in the NJ Turnpike bathroom stalls?

Sexual depravity knows no party.

No, democrats are only for "old fashoned values" when they in front of an audience that holds them.

Otherwise, they change their tune when they need to appear "progressive."

Free love, no problem unless they are gunning for "the values voter."

Police report: Senator signaled desire for 'lewd conduct.'

Sen. Larry Craig peered through a crack in a restroom stall door for two minutes and made gestures suggesting he wanted to engage in lewd conduct, according to the police officer who arrested him.

Craig's blue eyes were clearly visible through the crack in the door, Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport police Sgt. Dave Karsnia wrote in the report he filed on the June 11 incident.

Craig would look down at his hands, fidget with his fingers, and then look through the crack into my stall again, Karsnia wrote in documents accompanying the arrest report.

Karsnia wrote that when the person occupying the stall beside him left, Craig entered it and blocked the door with his rolling suitcase.

My experience has shown that individuals engaging in lewd conduct use their bags to block the view from the front of their stall," the officer said in his report.

The senator then tapped his right foot, a signal used by persons wishing to engage in lewd conduct, Karsnia wrote, and Craig ran his left hand several times underneath the partition dividing the stalls.

The presence of others did not seem to deter Craig as he moved his right foot so that it touched the side of my left foot which was within my stall area," the officer's report said.

Craig also told police that he had reached down to the floor to pick up a piece of paper, the officer wrote.

It should be noted that there was not a piece of paper on the bathroom floor, nor did Craig pick up a piece of paper, Karsnia wrote.

After Craig ran his hand underneath the partition wall three times, Karsnia held his police identification down by the floor so the senator could see it, the report said.

In his petition to enter a guilty plea, Craig admitted that he "engaged in (physical) conduct which I knew or should have known tended to arouse alarm or resentment."

He also was required to stipulate in the statement that he would make no claim that I am innocent of the charge to which I am entering a plea of not guilty, the document said.

Craig, Idaho's senior senator, is married with three grown children and nine grandchildren. His seat is up for re-election in 2008.

He has supported a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, telling his colleagues that it was important for us to stand up now and protect traditional marriage, which is under attack by a few unelected judges and litigious activists.

In 1996, Craig also voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act, which denies federal recognition to same-sex marriages and prevents states from being forced to recognize the marriages of gay and lesbian couples legally performed in other states.

Craig also has opposed expanding the federal hate crimes law to cover offenses motivated by anti-gay bias and, in 1996, voted against a bill that would have outlawed employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, which failed by a single vote in the Senate.

Thanks, patsy! Keep diverting from the fact the orange faced prick (your hero) bombed on nbc. Make sure you avoid those threads like the plague!

The airport incident occurred June 11. Craig signed his plea papers on Aug. 1, and word of the events surfaced Monday. The senator issued a statement Monday night that said, "In hindsight, I should have pled not guilty."

He repeated that assertion at the Idaho news conference. "In June, I overreacted and made a poor decision," he said. "I chose to plead guilty to a lesser charge in hopes of making it go away."

Craig was at times defiant, at others apologetic on Tuesday.

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He said he pled in June when it was really August.

He overreacted 6 weeks later?

Too bad he doesn't feel the same way about gay rights as he does about smokin' pole.

Typical Republican...Wants to turn the clock back to the 1950's when being a hypocritical closeted homosexual was still okay.

Great Thanks Royal Douche-

I'm not patsy and I couldn't care less about Olbermann and whether he bombed or not.

What I DO care about is hypocrites like you.

Thanks for exposing yourself, Jeff.

An OW thread just isn't complete until Jeff drops his trousers to expose his ignorance and other shortcomings.

Global Jihad: CNN's chief apologist for Islam, Christiane Amanpour, has gone too far this time. Not content to just whitewash jihad, she says Jews and Christians are terrorists, too.

According to her new three-part series, "God's Warriors," militant Islamists are really no different than right-wing Christians or Jews. So who are we in the West to judge?

Of course, it's cultural relativism — and journalism — at its worst. What's stunning is the lack of evidence Amanpour provides to support her case.

Amanpour: Building bridges.
That CNN would give her six prime-time hours to peddle such tendentious trash to a public still under real threat from Islamic terror speaks volumes about the network's agenda.

The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America slammed the series as "one of the most grossly distorted programs" ever aired on mainstream American TV.

CAMERA was being kind. Amanpour's premise that Christianity and Judaism have spawned just as many terrorists as Islam is absurd on its face.

To be sure, not all Muslims are terrorists. But the vast majority of terrorists are Muslim, or at least claim to be Muslim. Almost all international terror is carried out, falsely or not, in the name of Islam. The data are simply overwhelming.

In contrast, history has produced only a handful of fanatics who commit violence in the name of Christianity or Judaism. Those who do are summarily arrested and punished.

They aren't held up as martyrs. There are no U.S. posters celebrating abortion clinic bombers, or Israeli history books canonizing Jewish settlers who attack Palestinians.

But Amanpour, an Iranian immigrant whose father is a Muslim, wants to change that reality.

She and her Islamic apologist pal Karen Armstrong — a "scholar" she returns to throughout her "documentary" — sugar-coat jihad as inner struggle against sin and not warfare. If you want militancy, they argue, look no further than fundamentalist Christians.

Amanpour demonizes Jerry Falwell. After all, she points out, he suggested after 9/11 that America was paying for moral depravity. Must be in league with the Islamic terrorists.

She also compares his Liberty University, which has separate dorms for boys and girls, to a madrassa.

Then she accuses Ron Luce, a Christian minister to teenagers, as being like the Taliban for "fighting the evils of pop culture."

"They are God's warriors for Jesus," she intones. Yep, beheading and stoning every nonbeliever in their path, those crazy Jesus-loving teens.

During the segments on Jews and Christians, we lost count of the number of times Amanpour intoned the phrase, "God's Jewish warriors" or "God's Christian warriors," as sinister musical strings play in the background.

In contrast, she cast Muslims in the best possible light during the segment on Islam. Readily available file footage of Palestinian terrorists attacks on Jewish pizza parlors and buses are missing.

She neglects to mention that Hamas was officially designated a terrorist organization by the U.S. in 1995 — during the Clinton administration. If she wasn't paying attention then, certainly her husband, a top Clinton appointee at the State Department, was.

Amanpour's agenda comes in clear view at the end of the show when she solemnly intones: "I hope that we have provided a bridge to Islam."

But as hard as she may try to stretch it, Christianity and Judaism are not morally equivalent to Islam when it comes to militancy and the promotion of violence. CNN should be ashamed for airing such a shameless apologia.

being a hypocritical closeted homosexual was still okay.

Posted by: He's Still Lying at August 28, 2007 7:28 PM

Hypocritical? Did you make a peep during the McGreevy fiasco? I think not. Who's hypocritical? You........

He has supported a federal constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage, telling his colleagues that it was important for us to stand up now and protect traditional marriage, which is under attack by a few unelected judges and litigious activists.

In 1996, Craig also voted in favor of the Defense of Marriage Act, which denies federal recognition to same-sex marriages and prevents states from being forced to recognize the marriages of gay and lesbian couples legally performed in other states.

Craig also has opposed expanding the federal hate crimes law to cover offenses motivated by anti-gay bias and, in 1996, voted against a bill that would have outlawed employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, which failed by a single vote in the Senate.
Posted by: The Rise of the Restroom Republicans at August 28, 2007 7:07 PM

Well, if his stance on the Defense of Marriage Act means he's a hypocrite, you're going to have to look towards to then President Clinton, who authorized it, and to every Dem who voted for it, as being hypocrites too.

Unless you really think these Dems (most of the current Dem presidential candidates...) are against extending the right marriage to gays, they obstensively voted for the Amendment for the same reason why some of the say they're against gay marriage-- political viability.

That's the same thing Sen Craig did.... welcome to politics.... it a matter of which hypocrite you wish to choose....

Cecelia, do you actually think patsy took any of what you just posted into consideration before he did his infamous cut and paste job whos aim is slamming any one with an (R) after their name? I think not.

Cecelia, do you actually think patsy took any of what you just posted into consideration before he did his infamous cut and paste job whos aim is slamming any one with an (R) after their name? I think not.

Posted by: royal king at August 28, 2007 7:57 PM

RK, I always cut AAP some slack. He's adorable!

"Typical Republican...Wants to turn the clock back to the 1950's when being a hypocritical closeted homosexual was still okay."

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Then there are a lot of "hypocrites" out there. In my professional life, I have met many people who choose not to discuss their sexual preferences as a matter of choice. They remain single, have friends of all political and religious stripes and live their lives in private. They do not pursue a political agenda, do not wish to be "out" and have a "live and let live" attitude towards others who are more vocal in their belief that what arouses them sexually sould be a matter of casual conversation.

Some even have children from previous marriages and still live as single people after their divorce. I make no judgement on their choice. They are adults with free will. I do not think demanding anyone to be "out" is a choice someone should make for someone else, even when the person is not for gay marriage, etc. The mixing of the political and the private seems to me to be a double edged sword and people should respect the wishes of someone who chooses not to make their private bedroom behavior a political issue.

Demanding all gay people be "out" is the new '50's McCarthyesque blacklist in reverse.

Those I have met that lead quiet lives are just as well adjusted and "healthy" as the most "out" people I have met. Judging people for the decisions they make about discussing their private lives seems to be another hypocritical aspect of those posting about this Senator Craig business.

Your lack of compassion also says something too.

Cecelia,

Do me a favor, please?

Remind the DUMBSHIT! I mean, Bovine, that others have noticed his monumental stupidity and are now fugging what little spongy brains he has.

Go check the log with Johnny BU$HWIPE.
Bovine, you paranoid DUMBSHIT!
Posted by: Average American Patriot at August 28, 2007 8:05 PM

AAP, RK is anything BUT dumb and judging by his "fan base", he's the most charismatic poster on the site...

Hypocritical? Did you make a peep during the McGreevy fiasco? I think not. Who's hypocritical? You........

Posted by: royal king at August 28, 2007 7:47 PM

crickets from patsy, who "suddenly" appeared.....

Those I have met that lead quiet lives are just as well adjusted and "healthy" as the most "out" people I have met. Judging people for the decisions they make about discussing their private lives seems to be another hypocritical aspect of those posting about this Senator Craig business.

Your lack of compassion also says something too.
Posted by: cee at August 28, 2007 8:06 PM

Well said.

Among some on the left, being "authentically" (not hypocritically) gay or authentically a minority, seems to carry a whole suitcase full of political stances you must also embrace.

It's sort of their own version of literacy tests...

Poor

AAP, RK is anything BUT dumb and judging by his "fan base", he's the most charismatic poster on the site...

Posted by: Cecelia at August 28, 2007 8:10 PM

All due respect, trash mouthed and charismatic don't go together.

remember how Rush Limbaugh, in his uncontrolled hatred of the Clintons trashed Chelsea, at the time she was a vulnerable teenager lacking a good self-image. I thought how despiable he was. I don't want to be a hypocrit and be as callous.

Posted by: Clucker at August 28, 2007 8:12 PM

hahahaha!

Yeah, that kind of pointing the finger at someone, out of the blue, and for no good reason, just really sucks... eh... Clucker... :D

My mistake Cecelia, my eyes are deceiving me, got aap and rk backwards. The heat is getting to me, over 100 today! My apologies, Cecelia. I am sure philby and aap will have a field day with my "monumental" mistake....

3 "not guilty's" in the terrorist detainee witch hunt.

Now, Cecelia, you have made some very astute observations about theology and also about Craig, today. You have pleasantly surprised me with some of your conclusions, and even when I disagreed with you I found you articulate and provocative. But, the Prevaricating Pea Brain Paranoiak is, in fact, . Your loyalty is touching, bu misplaced. Even Bush cut Fredo loose.

Posted by: Clucker at August 28, 2007 8:18 PM

I don't know, Clucker. Considering the amount of bandwidth you've devoted to someone you call "the most stupid person posting on this site, perhaps the most stupid man of our time" I can't help but surmise that your quest must be to strip him of that title...

But, the Prevaricating Pea Brain Paranoiak is, in fact, the most stupid person posting on this site, perhaps the most stupid man of our time. Your loyalty is touching, bu misplaced. Even Bush cut Fredo loose.

Posted by: Clucker at August 28, 2007 8:18 PM

Are you still upset because I figured out you were philby/rudy? Move on, clunker. Maybe you should look into a 12 step program.

Why, there are actually MANY republican conservatives who feel betrayed by this president and his legacy. They feel that he has personally set conservative's causes back 20 yesrs or more. My brother is one of them. Of course, those folks don't spend time on a political blog defending him....why would they?

>Your lack of compassion also says something too.

Posted by: cee at August 28, 2007 8:06 PM

You always know when phallucee is talking about 'compassion' there must be a republican at the mic discussing a transgression.

How about compassion for the murdered innocent Iraqi's cee? Oh, I see, they aren't registered republicans. So fuck 'em.

I save MY compassion for people who have bad things happen to them through no fault of their own:

1.) Innocent murdered Iraqis
2.) Victims of crime everywhere
3.) People stricken with fatal or debilitating diseases

Compassion for craig? Why, because he's a republican?

HA! You're unintentionally funny cee. Funny ha-ha AND funny strange.

Like Clucker, I can muster some compassion for his family. If I thought they read this blog, I would refrain from piling on.

But cee's and brandon's lame defense of craig the closeted hypocritical liar gives me all the green light I need to skewer away.

And Cecelia, give me a break...

It has nothing to do with anyone's judgment of gay behavior other than CRAIGS himself.

No one is judging how to 'properly' be gay. Nice straw man. Nice obfuscation. Nice diversion.

What do you think Craig's response would be a couple months ago if a reporter asked him...

"So, some people think gay sex is out of control in public restrooms across the US. What is your opinion about such goings on?"

What do you think his response would be?

Go ahead, I'm sure if you, Brandon, and cee put your neocon minds together, you can come up with a theoretical response that would continue to paint a picture of craig as some sort of victim.

How can you guys live with yourselves?

Loon du Jour, I am curious about your statement and your choice of your nom du jour for this post:

"How can you guys live with yourselves?
Posted by: The Continuing Education of Brandon, Cee, and Cecelia at August 28, 2007 10:36 PM"

How does one become so arrogantly sure of their own rightiousness and omniscience to post such as you did to strangers on a blog?

My suggestion is that you need a soothing cup of tea and a nice long nap to take the edge off of your anger and hubris.

Grammie

Notice this Einstein never puts any responsbility of the Katrina response on Bush.
Speaks volumes, doesn't it !

Posted by: Why don't you think at August 28, 2007 8:46 PM

It speaks volumes to the fact the poster exhibits common sense, local gov't is in charge of local issues, einstein.....

"local gov't is in charge of local issues, einstein...."

One of our major cities is virtually destroyed. and our resident genius Jeff, argues that it was merely a "local issue".

Is there something in the water up there that spawns this kind of ignorance?

I think I know what it is!

Jeff works with cows.

It MUST be the beginning stages of Bovine Spongiform encephalopathy....otherwise known as "Mad Cow disease".

Only a person wearing partisan blinders would blame the President, whom ever it is, for catastrophes like Katrina. Anyone who heard both sides of the story, as I did, could weed through the bs and see what really happened. The local gov't failed in the worse sense of the word. As far as the hack accusing me of writing what I read from "right wing blogs" is more bs with no proof. If you consider this a "right wing blog" you are right. This is the only one I read. I read drudge once in a while, which is news from both sides. Is huffpo "right wing", too?

mike, your spew is not worth responding to. Is that the best you can do? Sad.

"mike, your spew is not worth responding to."

Yet, you responded to it!.....LOL!

One far left cut and paste and two childish one liners (no facts) from people who have criticised others in the past for not knowing how to "debate." How ironic. Hypocrites? Yes, indeed.

Thats Ok Jeff...ignor it! Try not to think about what that nasty Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy pathogen is doing inside your head as we speak. It makes little holes in your brain, making it impossible for you to think logically...just like you!

But don't you trouble your little pea brain worrying about it now, because there probably never was much up there to attack anyway, and there's nothing you can do about it.

All the while, Blanco was safe and sound in a 5 star hotel in Texas! Run, coward, run! "Make sure you keep red cross from doing their job and park all of the evacuation buses in the middle of a flood plane!" said blanco.

Is nbc "fair" enought for ya!

On the Saturday edition of the NBC Nightly News, anchored by John Seigenthaler, correspondent Lisa Myers reported several critical mistakes made by Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco in handling the Hurricane Katrina crisis. The story even showcased a whispered conversation, recorded by CNN, between Blanco and an aide in which Blanco admitted she had been too slow in asking for federal troops. Blanco: "I really need to call for the military ... and I should have started that in the first call."

Myers also relayed that when Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin ordered a mandatory evacuation 20 hours before Katrina hit, they were ignoring the advice of experts who had warned it would take 48 hours. Additionally, Blanco was slow to get National Guard troops to restore order. A complete transcript of the story follows:

John Seigenthaler: "In the aftermath of the hurricanes, NBC News has been taking a hard look at response failures by government officials, and there are plenty to go around. We've already brought you reviews of federal and city actions. Well, tonight, NBC's senior investigative correspondent Lisa Myers focuses on the performance of Louisiana Governor Kathleen Blanco."

If hurricanes are to be only dealth with by the local government, why was FEMA and Bush all over the place during this last major hurricane?

Posted by: patsy at August 29, 2007 2:22 AM

Because the mayor (d) and gov(d) were running with their tails between legs........somebody had to do something.

>>First, this spew.....

Blanco calls Bush, saying, "Mr. President, we need your help. We need everything you've got." Bush later assures him that "help is on the way."
( The help never came until it was too late)

3 days after Katrina:

Bush: I want people to know there's a lot of help coming.I DON'T THINK ANYONE ANTICIPATED THE BREACH OF THE LEVEES.( Bush was briefed on this very subject) They did anticipate a serious storm. These levees got breached and as a result, much of New Orleans is flooded and now we're having to deal with it and will.

Posted by: at August 29, 2007 1:48 AM

>>Then, this spew...

No one ever said that the local and state government didn't fail the people of New Orleans.

Posted by:same person as above

Think before you post, please.

Jeff" "Think before you post plese."

Why?.....You never do!

I'd trade that bloated piece of executive pork Homeland Security in a heartbeat for a FEMA that works again for all Americans.

FEMA was significantly more effective when it had a reporting cabinet post, before W & Company effectively outsourced it to their buddies. The states and municipalities had nothing to do with that swift shift in federal operations, aside from the need to adjust to W's apparent political whims and self-serving "friendly" appointments, again.

I'm not arguing that they're all saints in Louisiana or Nola politics (corruption's been around for decades actually, even before Nola's mayor switched parties) but it's practically academic in this case; because the displacement of thousands of people, billions of dollars of property and infrastructure damage and the subsequent deaths of so many Americans on U.S. soil more than warranted immediate federal response, and I'm convinced it would have been received from W's predecessors, all of them (OK, maybe not Reagan, unless California was hit).

Blanco may have been slow to pull the trigger on calling the NG in, especially after the discussion she shared with W. and others days before the storm hit. But someone in the chain of command between W. and Brownie should have adopted at least a fraction of the gung-ho determination used to launch a pre-emptive strike in Iraq to "liberate" the people of New Orleans and the rest of the southern coastline, all the way to Florida.

I'm wonder what W. will allow himself to see on his trip to Louisiana this week. I hope he gets to see the "progress" made so far on the Mississippi coastline too, where Ktrina's full force hit. It's been a couple months since I was there, but may as well have been just shy of a couple years. There are some nice, new Wafflehouses though, the few standing locations to snag a cooked meal.

I wonder if W. will sleep over at Trent Lott's house on his tour, sharing FEMA success stories over a batch of tasty Belgian treats.

I wonder what a sociopath takes with his waffles.
Coffee, tea or NSA logs?

To "The Continuing Education of Brandon, Cee, and Cecelia" poster, whomever you are.....

Just for you!....Let me repost the statement I was responding to:

"Typical Republican...Wants to turn the clock back to the 1950's when being a hypocritical closeted homosexual was still okay."

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The statement implies rather clearly that it is NOT ok to be a closeted homosexual. The poster's adjective, "hypocritical," even makes the point clearer that if a person with certain sexual preferences decides not to discuss them publically and not support the issues of the politically active (and in my opinion, radical) LGBT lobby, they are wrong and living a lie.

I disagree, just as I do with regard to anyone who demands one hold a particular ideology based on the person's race, religion, gender, whatever. You may point out contradictions you perceive in a person's ideology and lifestyle, if you so choose, but as you can see from other discussions on this board (including the ones I have been involved regarding "religious beliefs" and war) it is a very contentious and hard argument to prove. Such discussions are riddled with conjecture and emotion.

I again observe the lack of compassion simply based on someone's opinion that the person is "living a lie." Being the identified fundy flat-earther on this blog, I enjoy having so many others (of radically different ideology) join me in being the self-proclaimed judge and jury.

People like the anon poster, mental midget (Why), Clucker, AAP (mental midget wanna be), Mike and Sir Loin of Milquetoast who continuosly display the partuclar human weakness.

Cum bi ya, everyone!

And this is my post today, the 1,582nd day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"Cee's posts are now just a total waste of page space."

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Ah, another Mensa member too busy to properly respond to even the simple arguments posted at 6:36AM.

Does discussing homosexuality make you uncomfortable? I thought "progressives" were more open minded.

It seems the majority of posts from the left regarding the subject have been disparaging and homophobic....

"Larry Craig is one of my very best friends. Just because we met in a men's bathroom stall doesn't mean anything.

"He needs your compassion."

Posted by: Cee at August 29, 2007 12:49 AM

"I too had sex with Larry Craig in the men's room of a Burger King in Boise, Idaho.
But we're not gay."

Posted by: Proud Christian Republican at August 28, 2007 11:58 PM

Keep up the good work!

I also recall a former President who gave testimony that he was a born-again Christian, gave us "don't ask/don't tell" and backed the Protection of Marriage legislation was finally forced to admit he received oral sex from a young intern in his care......

In the honorable Oval Office of people's house, The White House.....

Tempered condemnation of the act came from his political party but twisting and spinning continues today with regards to the consequences that should have come to the dear man, politically, and legally (he did lie under oath about the event in a civil suit.....obstructing justice of a fellow citizen).....

Oh well, I just thought I would bring up that almost 2 year fiasco.

Hypocrisy, like adultery, fornication, perversion, knows no political party.

Is this post also a waste of space?

And this is my post today, the 1,582nd day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

Is patsy on acid? Which board are you reading? You drug nobody, nowhere. You may have "drugged" yourself, though.

Cee: "Temprered condemnation of the act came from his party but twisting and spinning continues today regarding the consequences that should have come to the dear man, politically, and legally (he did lie under oath about the events in a civil suit........obstruction justice of a fellow citizen)......"

Well, in retrospect, I too kind of wish the Senate HAD impeached Clinton, even though it would have meant defying the collective will of the American people at the time.

You see, Cee, If Clinton HAD been removed
from office, Gore would have been an encumbent in 2000, complete with all the inherent advantages in electabilty most encumbents enjoy. Gore would have handily won the election, therebye negating any need for the Supreme Court to pick the president.

Consequently, your beloved Iraq War would have never happened, we would have a far more united and financially healthy America than we have today, our military wouldn't be depleted and virtually exhausted, and our standing in the world would be far, far higher.

so, maybe you're right Cee....it's too bad Clinton didn't face the full legal consequences of his action.

>I also recall a former President who gave testimony that he was a born-again Christian, gave us "don't ask/don't tell" and backed the Protection of Marriage legislation was finally forced to admit he received oral sex from a young intern in his care......

Poor little fascist cee- Still bitter after all these years over Clinton. Clinton's transgressions just didn't produce the type of moral outrage among the american people you were hoping for, eh cee? He's stlll vastly more popular than your failed excuse for a president.

>Hypocrisy, like adultery, fornication, perversion, knows no political party.

Poor little predictably partisan cee. When a (D) does something illegal or untoward, it's evidence of their lack of ethics, their moral relativism, and flawed character. When a (R) does something illegal or untoward (and even contrary to their public stances) then, it's well everyone's bad, both parties, it's not a partisan issue.

You must have learned that one from O'Reilly, he does the same exact thing. Chastize liberals and 'secular progressives' every chance he gets, but when a conservative is caught with his pants down, it's well, both parties that are to blame.

WTF?

...And you always know cee is running low on amunition when he brings up Clinton. Please try to stay in this decade, cee. You know...Haggard, Vitter, Craig. The growing line-up of all your 'moral upright Christian hypocrites.'

The return of the 'wall of quotes' is also a sure indication cee is running low on new ideas.

So, cee, tell me, Do you guys get some sort of discount rate when you all go in and get your lobotomy done at the same time?

Good advice from Michelle.

Hillary just had to return the donation of an Asian businessman.

Shades of the ole Clinton-era. Anyone else remember Bill C. and the DNC having to return the donations of Indonesians who fled the country after being subpoenaed by Congress for illegal campaign donations?

Anyone else remember the bags of cash given to the DNC and the Clintons by the Asian Lippo Group?

The media is feigning amnestia. Forget Craig. Hillary's presidential rivals and Republicans ought to be reminding folks of the good ole Asian donor/Buddist temple/Lincoln Bedroom days.... :D

You stripped Cee cleaned.
Bare ass and bleeding.
Good job.

Hypocrites like Cee deserve nothing less !

Posted by: just a witness at August 30, 2007 12:37 AM

Of course TCEOP never offered any proof that Cee is one of those people who have said that immorality is endemic in one political party while excusing his own party nor has Cee claimed that people who choose one particular party are innately worse than other people. The way...say...one poster tried to do when he suggest that a "sense of humor" was lacking in folks who choose a particular party....and the way...we see some folks doing here when they hypocrisey is endemic in one party and the members of that party....

But don't let logic get in your way... :D

Why is that, Cecelia. You trying to get another republican elected?
You a satisfied customer with how the last republican did ?

Posted by: at August 30, 2007 3:42 AM

No, I'm never satisfied with pols.

However, I'm not so irrational as to ever argue to a Democrat that if one Democratic pol is not to their liking, none of them will be.

Funny how the ...ahem....non partisan Cecelia couldn't find any republican wrongdoing.

I found hundreds.

But of course the OW GOP censors wouldn't permit me to post them.

Posted by: at August 30, 2007 3:58 AM

Wasn't someone here just lecturing some Republican posters here for bringing up Clinton and Barney Frank to counter what's happened to Craig? :D

Of course there are incidences of Republicans getting in trouble over campaign improprieties. I'm not suggesting that this is endemic in one party. I leave such idiotic arguments to you Einsteins...

The Hsu thing with Hillary and her campaign is a reminder of the the campaign scandals involving Asian businessmen when her husband was in office.

Look for HRC's campaign rivals to point that out very soon.

Malkin is right. Don't defend the idiot Craig. He deserves what he got. Move on to what's relevant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy

Here's a memory refresher.

Obama and Edwards should go to town on yet another Asian businessman angle.

"Didn't I hear RK and a few other RW'ers bring up Barney Frank in defense of Larry Craig?

"Here's a little quiz for you.

"Who said this ?

"'Buh-bye. Advice to other conservatives who might be downplaying the Craig crisis: Blubbering about Barney Frank is the wrong way to handle this. Are there media and political double standards? Yes. There always will be. But this ain’t the time to take out your tired old talking points. Larry Craig is bad for the GOP. Period. He’s a distraction from bigger problems and more important policy debates.'

"Think you know?

"It's that left wing radical Michelle Malkin !"

Posted by: Why don't you think at August 30, 2007 3:28 AM

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Oh Mental Midget (why).....you are too late (over a day) in providing the conservative's view of Craig....Did you get the quote from the following post?.....

Posted by: Democrats never support traditional values at August 28, 2007 4:37 PM:

"Conservative blogger Michelle Malkin (she subs for Billo and beats Olbermann in the ratings) is taking the pervert Senator to task:

http://michellemalkin.com/2007/08/28/the-larry-craig-mess/

"Unlike the partisan democrats, who would excuse such disgusting behavior if there was a (D) by the man's name as simply behavior not hurting anyone and between consenting adults, normal people know it is deviant sexual behavior all the time.

"Senator Craig's perverted compulsions are no different than that of the constituency the democrats bowed down to a couple of weeks ago. Why don't they take a poll to see how their supporters view anonymous sex in bathrooms.

"I am sure James McGreevey (D) will have an opinion about it. And a lot of pleasant memories for himself to ponder!

"Ech!"

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Again, the intellectual honesty of the radical left is absent here at OW. Partisan hatred does that. If you were honest about sexually perverted activity being a reason someone should resign from public office in disgrace, Barney Frank and Bill Clinton would have joined our dear gay American in private solitude and ridicule.....

Instead, Bill Clinton is given standing ovations at Democrat Party fund-raisers and Barney Frank is elevated as a great leader in The House of Representatives.

You are a hypocrite, MM....and intellectually dishonest.

And the above post goes "ditto" for AAP and the lovely named poster (likely the same mental midget wanna be).....

Game, set, match.....again.

And this is my post today, the 1,583rd day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

Oh, and just in case you claim conservatives do not see the hypocrisy in the "progressive" and "tolerant" Democrats....here is a nice challenge from a link at Malkin's HOTAIR.COM:

"Chris Matthews, opening this afternoon's HARDBALL:

"Idaho Senator Larry Craig, cultural warrior of the right, stands naked tonight, exposed as both a sexual deviant and a world-class hypocrite.

"Matthews presumably labelled Craig 'a sexual deviant' based not on the mere fact of his presumptive homosexuality, but on his engaging in the kind of public 'cruising' to which the senator pleaded guilty in Minnesota.

"I challenge Matthews to flatly ask the Democratic presidential contenders and other Dem leaders he encounters in coming weeks whether they share his view that all men who engage in such conduct are 'sexual deviants.' Should make for some illuminating TV as Dems walk a tightrope between public mores and the sensibilities of one of the Dem party's important constituent groups."

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/28/open-thread-larry-craig-presser-at-430-pm-et/

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I wonder if the democrat party has formed focus groups asking people about their opinions regarding anonymous public restroom sex.....especially those in the radical LGBT lobby?

Democrats never support traditional values.

"Democrats never support traditional values."

Nice Cee!

Another REPUBLICAN 'family values' crusader gets caught in a sex scandal, .... and you make it about the DEMOCRATS!

Your raging partanship is showing!

No, Mike, my post you attack in this regard was IN RESPONSE to the moral bloviating of mental midget (why), you, Clucker, AAP (and his various other silly names), and the partisan left. I have been consistent. Vitter should resign, Foley should resign, Clinton should have resigned, Craig should reisgn....

You and other leftists endorse "privacy arguments" when it comes to people like Frank, Clinton, and other constituents of your "party" while claiming hypocrisy on the right. "Perversion" seems to know no party, like I have said repeatedly, but the Democrats ignore their own perverts for poltical expediency.

And as Cecelia pointed out, very correctly, Craig is not a social conservative crusader....he is a fiscal conservative and has never (to my knowledge) given a "fire and brimstone" speech on the senate floor about sodomy or fornication.

You guys just do not have the goods on me here. It is about the partisan reaction of the democrats crying foul over the senator's behavior that is no different than Clinton's.
For goodness sake, Bill Clinton had a pep rally with his democrat party buddies just outside the same office he committed sodomy and adultery and you ignore this little irony as you gleefully make fun of Senator Craig's proclivites!

Oh the hypocrisy!

Pervert Clinton, adored by Democrats. Think of what Monica and Clinton did in the oval office the next time you see Hillary looking affectionately at him during another pep rally.

And Mike, I forgot to add (from another thread):

I ask those calling Craig a pervert: Was President Clinton's admitted behavior perverted?

Honestly answer now....sexual preferences included....why is Craig a pervert and Clinton not one, if that is your conclusion?

Ahhhh, intellectual honesty is difficult, now isn't it.

Oh, and also let me point out that my other posts regarding this subject are in regards to the left's other hypocrisy regarding privacy/choice and the moral call to being an "out" individual with same gender sexual preferences. If this ain't an obvious one, then I don't know if there are any intellectually honest people on this board representing the radical fringe left.

Oh I missed this gem from the lovely named poster (I sometimes overlook these posts, for obvious reasons):

"Poor little fascist cee- Still bitter after all these years over Clinton. Clinton's transgressions just didn't produce the type of moral outrage among the american people you were hoping for, eh cee? He's stlll vastly more popular than your failed excuse for a president."

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Not bitter, just sad that popularity is the substitute for sound moral judgement in our nation.

Seeing Clinton's actions with a much younger intern in the Oval Office during working hours, while he is married (you know, married....vows that say you will not have relations with anyone except your spouse), as not repugnant and a valid reason for someone to resign. If I did the same thing in my office and it became public, even if I tearfully apologized for it, I would be fired.....let alone given the chance to resign.

Not Clinton, like I mentioned above, the left held a "we support you Bill" pep rally after the impeachment vote on the lawn of the people's house.....just outside where Bill and Monica engaged in sodomy.

Nice....Nevermind that the man lied about the event, under oath during a civil procedure that obstructed justice for his fellow citizen....a women.

You see, lovely named poster, the fact that you would shake the man's hand and have respect for him simply because he is popular while joinging the crowd in crucifying Senator Craig says a lot about you.

I shake my head in disgust at both perverts and ask why the different public opinion from the democrats.....I think it is a very valid question.

And just to annoy you, lovely named poster......

And this is my post today, the 1,583rd day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

Well Cee, you shouldn't be too surprised if after years of having "family values" thrown in their faces, some Democrats are reacting strongly when they see obvious hypocrisy.

If anything has become crystal clear as of late, NO party holds any moral or ethical high ground over the other (and never has).

just in case no one thought of it: Ubermoronn.

Poor mental midget (why), can't stay on topic.

No, mm....you say, "The reason REPUBLICAN married men getting caught in gay sexcapades is news and worth condemning is not because they are out of the closet it's because of the HYPOCRISY involved. They champion themselves the holder of the key for family values and virtue.( and champions against gay rights )
Just like the DO ( Deplorable One) cee."

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That's what YOU and your intellectually dishonest progressives want the template to be.....But it need not be. And I do not see the logic of stopping there.....

I condemn and stated Craig should resign. I stated Vitter should resign. I stated Foley should resign. They are hypocrites if they say one thing and do another.....

I take it to the LOGICAL end.....why not Clinton? Why not Clinton, mm

Why not Frank?

Oh, that's right, they are your guys!

Bingo.....game, set, match......

Oh and that bit about killing people....again, Bush is not morally responsible for the deaths of Iraqi civilians, the terrorist radical islamists are......

Just like the Viet Cong and The NVA were responsible for the deaths in that conflict.....not our brave men and women in uniform.

Game, set and match again.....

And to annoy you further MM.....

And this is my post today, the 1,583rd day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"shopping.yahoo.com Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1) - Cite This Source
sod·om·y /ˈsɒdəmi/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[sod-uh-mee] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex."

Even after taking into account what the meaning of "is" is I do believe Cee was correct and you are mistaken, or as you so graciously phrased it a liar.

Grammie

"Bill and Monica never participated in sodomy. "

Posted by: Another lie of Cee's at August 30, 2007 11:51 AM

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See, some do not even know the defintion of sodomy.

Yes, Monica and Bill did engage in sodomy. Oral copulation with someone of the opposite sex is sodomy.

Boy o boy, what a person has to face when talking with leftists!

"boy o boy, what a person has to face when talking with leftists!"

Trust me, it works both ways Cee. Partanship (either way) has this odd way of placing blinders on an individual.

But I WAS right about the definition of Sodomy, uh anon @ 12:12!

That's somethng......

And I have yet to write a scrip for a Pfizer product today.....I better get on that.....

Seriously, you nor no one has answered my questions......

I ask those calling Craig a pervert: Was President Clinton's admitted behavior perverted?

Honestly answer now....sexual preferences included....why is Craig a pervert and Clinton not one, if that is your conclusion?

Keep attackng me personally instead of engaging in serious debate......that's equally entertaining, anon.

And no one has factually refuted those other subjects you mentioned.....try not using big people words you don't know the defintions to like "sodomy" and "discredited."

And to annoy you further, annon.....

And this is my post today, the 1,583rd day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"Clinton can't resign, he's not in office , you fool."

Posted by: at August 30, 2007 12:14 PM

Name me one democrat that requested (note the past tense, silly anon) Clinton resign from office for being caught in a workplace extra-marital affair.....for the good of the country.

No, they applauded him....."Alright Bill....you scored a BJ!"

Pitiful and it has had demeaning and substantial effects.....like young people actually thinking oral sex.....is not "sex."

And the twit above not knowing the definition of sodomy.......Yes, people, your president engaged in sodomy in the oval office.....live with it!

Good going, Bill.....classy guy.

MM, you are having a hard tim staying on subject...my simple questions remain unanwered.....

I ask those calling Craig a pervert: Was President Clinton's admitted behavior perverted?

Honestly answer now....sexual preferences included....why is Craig a pervert and Clinton not one, if that is your conclusion?

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I say Craig and Clinton are pervs.....what about you?

W has yet to be a known sexual troll....although I am sure someone is trying to discover some evidence.

And your examples of Bush "lying" are without proper context....No one has yet provided evidence that Bush purposely misled the country....so no, MM, he need not regsign or be impeached, IMHO.

Try another diversion, watching you dancing on a pin is also entertaining.

My 12:39 post covers more of your leftist talking points at 12:39, MM.

And I was simpy interpreting the applause the democrats gave Clinton on The White House lawn after the impeahment vote, anon.....

Artistic license for the sake of humor. Try to be a little less rigid.

And you did not give me a quote from a leftist requesting Clinton resign for being an admitted perverted adulterous sodomist.

Oh, I just refilled someone's VIAGRA......a Pfizer product......

My whoring continues!

"Oh, I just refilled someone's VIAGRA......a Pfizer product......"

So does that make you feel good about yourself, and your lifesaving mission?

Have you helped sell any other high profit prescriptions today, for say....."Restless legs syndrome", or some other invented 'malady', ..... contrived largely by the Pharm companies to increase corporate profits.

I'm just stunned by all these liberals calling Craig a "sexual deviant".

Is same-sex sex suddenly some sort of perversion in their book?

Would they bother to call Craig this if he had solicited a female stranger for sex in a bathroom stall, or his car, or in a corner of a public park?

There's an angle to this that's incredibly cynical.

This notion that it's hypocritical for Republicans to be caught in sexual peccadillos in a way that is not true for Democrats is bunk.

Has John Edwards or Barak Obama put themselves out as being less a family man or man of propriety than Pat Buchanan or Rick Santorium---- or Sen. Craig? If either Dem pol cheated the hypocrisy factor would not be any less.

Clinton made the point of going on 60 Minutes, while campaigning for his first term, to say that he regretted he had caused pain his marriage. His relationship with Hillary, PR'd as one of equals and about hard-fought trust, was as big a political prop as any politician's family..

Then there's the feminist angle. How hypocritical is it to engage in a relationship with the sort of power imbalance inherent in having a female employee underlying as a play thing, ala Clinton or Gary Condit?

I found it incredible that any political party that supposedly cared about feminism would wink their eye over a candidate who had a campaign posse devoted to "bimbo eruptions".

I'm sorry but there's no real concern for morality here. There's no real concern for hypocrisy either. It's gleeful political posturing and that only.

I don't have any real problem with that. Have at it. That's the way it's done in ALL quarters. Just spare me the feigned righteous indignation.

Have you helped sell any other high profit prescriptions today, for say....."Restless legs syndrome", or some other invented 'malady', ..... contrived largely by the Pharm companies to increase corporate profits.

Posted by: Mike at August 30, 2007 1:21 PM

How in heaven's name have you come to the conclusion that Restless Syndrome is an "invented malady"?

Its a commonly known neurological "malady" and is a well-documented side effect of numerous medications.

. and RLS is also the ailment du jour for the pill-popping crowd and the doctors who enable them.

Posted by: Clucker at August 30, 2007 2:30 PM

Well, that's the case for everything from fibromyalgia to
tremors.... but that doesn't qualify either condition as being "invented" by doctors or pharmaceutical companies.

wow, a lot of comments from Cecelia, The Price is Right must be over.

"... and RLS is also the ailment du jour for the pill-popping crowd and the doctors who enable them."

"Have you helped sell any other high profit prescriptions today, for say....."Restless legs syndrome", or some other invented 'malady', ..... contrived largely by the Pharm companies to increase corporate profits."

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Now I know you two have lost any ability to not look at any issue with objectvity and without the "evil coporatists" prism.....

Ok, Ill bite....I guess the billions the american consumer patient spends on the following are also "ailments du jour,"

High Cholesterol
Heartburn
High Blood Pressure
Stroke
Lung Cancer
Colon Cancer
Breast Cancer
Prostate Cancer
Coronary Artery Disease
Diabetes (Juvenille & Adult onset)
HIV/AIDS

Because these diseases are where the pharamceutical companies place most of their R&D and product production.....a few are also where the eeeeeevil companies actually make most of their profit........

Not in Botox, not in the treatment of RLS not even in the treatment of your erectile dysfunction, Clucker and Mike.

Yep, every dedicated person in those corporations are out to make money off of peoples misery and pain.....

including the me, the fundy flat-earther.....

I thought you "progressives" thought better of people!

S"o Cee, are you dispensing meds for
Lung Cancer
Colon Cancer
Breast Cancer
Prostate Cancer
HIV/AIDS

at your office?"

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But......

"Didn't think so."

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Objection.....question asked and answered....

HIV/AIDS......yes I do.

Lung Cancer.....leading cause of preventable lung cancer is tobacco abuse....drug companies are reseraching ways to ease the effects of nicotine withdraw symptoms....the main reason people fail to quit.....so yes, I do prescribe here as well.....another product from Pfizer!

Prostate Cancer.....yes, anti-hormone therapies are one way to treat the cancer.....so yes I do prescribe here as well.....Oh, and post radical prostatectomy erectile dysfuntion is a common problem so that VIAGRA helps here as well.....so yes again...

Colon and Breast Cancer.....Although I am not an oncologist, I will speak for my fellow professionals that these areas of pharma are growing, especially on the preventative side of the equation.....drugs that reduce at risk populations of contracting the disease sometime in their lifetime.

I hope to be able to help out there as well.

my memory serves me correct, you have never been "stunned" over anything your republican friends in the White House have done over the last 7 years.
Denying children health insurance, not properly arming our troops, continuing to add to our enormous debt , almost breaking our military, killing 10's of thousands of innocent people in Iraq etc. hasn't "stunned" you like the libruls raction to Craig.

You have let slip comments like" there were SOME mistakes made," I don't necessarily agree with that"....

But it's very revealing what does stir a reaction out of you.

Your priorities are rather despicable as you have revealed today.
Posted by: Why don't you think at August 30, 2007 3:05 PM

For a guy who has written several posts about how Craig's actions are particularly hypocritical because of the Republican family values stance, you sure can play dumb and obfuscate when it comes to recognizing the same hypocrisy with calling anonymous gay sex "deviant" by members of party that has argued that homosexuality is not deviant behavior.

Again, Dem might refer to sex in a car with a prostitute as immoral and hypocritical for a Republican pol to have engaged in, but I doubt they'd label it sexually deviant.

Calling Craig's action this is a particularly shocking and cynical public political ploy.

Colon and Breast Cancer.....Although I am not an oncologist, I will speak for my fellow professionals that these areas of pharma are growing, especially on the preventative side of the equation.....drugs that reduce at risk populations of contracting the disease sometime in their lifetime.

I hope to be able to help out there as well.

Posted by: cee at August 30, 2007 3:35 PM

You Big Drug Company (ding!) shill, you!....

And don't worry guys, once the left obtains the executive branch and increases their power in the legislative branch, and you all are seeing your doctor with the official US government issued insurance card, the costs for these therapies will drop dramatically.......

I just hope you can get an appointment to obtain them so they actually help you.

......

And I hope the great pace of development of those promising new therapies continues as well without that nasty thing called a profit motive!

Loon du Jour, the feds do finance stem cell research themselves. There are no laws to prevent the private sector from funding stem cell research and the private sector does it too.

Before you climb up on your high horse and gallop over the truth perhaps you should do a little research about the funding and medical advances that have come from stem cell research.

Grammie

"As Cee continues to pat himself on the back as a great humanitarian, just remember this hypocrite is against federally funded stem cell research."

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Thanks Grammie.

Yes I am against EMBRYONIC stem cell research based on my opposition to unethical human experimentation. It is not necessary to destroy nascient human life to achieve medical therapies.

Adult, and cord blood stem cells are not nascient human life and have been the subjects of experimentation for much longer....I am fine with this research and it has actually proved more productive than embryonic stem cell research.

The fedeal and state funding issues of embryonic stem cell research are best addressed through the democratic process and when the American people put in place those who do not have moral objections to such funding and it is funded, I will defer to that decision.

Just like abortion, I respect the democratic process with regard to the issue but still stand morally opposed to its activity.

For now, W is The President and has rightfully stood his moral ground in vetoing the legislation. The people supporting the use of human embryos in scientific experimentation have not mustered the needed veto-proof majorities to get past him. People can judge his decision in the light of their own view on human experimentation.

I am proud that he has maintained his correct moral stand despite severe and unfair political attacks....including easily beating a supporter of the immoral research in the 2004 presidential election, John Kerry.

I see you wouldn't/couldn't directly address my point about how libruls reaction about Craig " stuns" you but the real horrors of what your boys in the White House have done get a white wash.

Not surprised.

Have a good day !
Posted by: Why don't you think at August 30, 2007 3:46 PM

Nope. I wouldn't answer the self-referential obfuscation that you made in order to now divert the topic from one that you, yourself, have been hammering other folks over for the past two days.

You got it, baby.

Care to address my statements refuting your argument that Republicans are somehow inherently more accountable and hypocritical when it comes to sexual peccadilloes, than Dems?

Cee: "I just hope you can get an appointment to see them so they can actually help you."

Well, it might just help weed out the selfishly motivated medical profesionals who are in it just for the money. Imagine, doctors and nurses who mainly want to help people. We sure wouldn't want that, would we?

Don't worry Cee, the wealthy will always have their alternate medical system separate and apart from any proletariat based single payer system the majority will have to endure.

You will be free to serve them there.

If only Sharon were here we could be The Four Musketeers. :) :) :)

Grammie

"Don't worry Cee, the wealthy will always have their alternate medical system separate and apart from any proletariat based single payer system the majority will have to endure.

"You will be free to serve them there."

Posted by: Mike at August 30, 2007 4:40 PM

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No Mike, I plan on accepting MEDICARE parts E through Z when it is passed just as I accept A and B now....I enjoy treating patients and will hopefully be able to support my family doing it.

However, your assumption of quality care in a profit free environment, especially in the very costly United States, is naive, Mike.

There will be people ready to make personal financial sacrifices to practice their craft, but there will not be enough of them. Many will go to private clinics, like in the European and Canadian socialist systems, but many will just do other things. This will leave a huge vaccuum for.......

let's just use a Simpson's example here......

Hey Dr. Nick!

Cee: Not too many are advocating a "profit" fee single payer medical system. Profit does not have to be driven out of the eqaution, nor is there any eveidence competent doctors would not be able to sell their services to the highest bidders...just as they do today.

The main ingredient that needs to be surgically removed from the system is the cancerous insurance industry, which serves no purpose other than as a gatekeeper and service denier....a virtual leech on the system.

Yes, it will be a difficult and painful operation, but it needs to be done.

I see a lot of pontificating and hand wringing on a regular basis here about the inadequacies and inhumanity of our medical system as opposed to the socialist/communist single payer approach.

I would like to know if any of you have had a personal experience yourself with a serious and/or chronic illness or condition with no health insurance?

If anyone has what was your overall experience?

I ask because my husband and I had the problem in two blocks of time. The first time was for about 3 1/2 years and again three years later for about two years.

I realize our experience is only empirical evidence but I don't see anything much more than anecdotal empirical evidence put forth by the single payer advocates.

Grammie

Mike,

If you actually think the US Government will be able to fund any system (even what Hillary wants to a single payor model) that will provide the same level of incomes to all medical providers (and I am not only talking physicans, PA's, NP's but also RN's and LPN's) without a concomitant rise in government revenue (payroll and/or income taxes), you are just thinking wishfully.

We are already seeing the quality of applicants to medical schools decline and less people pursuing carrers in medicine because of the erosion of salaries as Medicare, and the private insurers who use Medicare as a guide, have diminished payments for services.

You look at public surveys regarding quality of care in long term careinstitutions and hospitals and they have been becoming more and more negative as reimbursement rates have been slashed by Medicare to save money.

I am not optimistic that any totally government controlled medical payment system will improve the quality of care in a society where people can make a lot more money doing different things.

But Cee, they can somehow fund a completely unneeded and counterproductive war at, what it it now - 3 billion dollars a month?

Sort of Janet....The husband of a former co-worker who refused to seek treatment following months of of chest pains. He refused to seek treatment because to him, it was better than facing the shame of being thought of as a deadbeat.

No one should ever have to make a choice lke that.

Now she is making her way in this world alone...what a shame it is that people have to make these kind of choices in, of all places....America!!

"Care to address my statements refuting your argument that Republicans are somehow inherently more accountable and hypocritical when it comes to sexual peccadilloes, than Dems? "

They are not MORE accountable but much more hypocritical for reasons I already stated.
Posted by: Why don't you think at August 30, 2007 5:01 PM

You know, WDYT, I haven't as yet, heard one Democrat campaign on the pro-adultery, pro-anonymous-homosexual-sex-in-bathrooms stance ... so I'm wondering how any indulgence in either of those practices would be less intrinsically hypocritical for John "I love my wife" Edwards or for Mr. Obama, who has the lovely Mrs. Obama there in the photo-op.

However, I have heard Democrats talking about feminism and the treatment of women. That's certainly something that comes into play when we're talking about how powerful men treat their wives or how they treat women in the workplace they supervise.... The potential hypocrisy factor here looms just as large for them, on such a basis, as it does for any Republican Santorium type...

I've also heard Democrats explicitly say that gay sex is not deviant behavior--- though not very many of your presidential candidates will campaign on that platform either... So it's particularly shocking, stunning, and disgusting to hear Craig's behavior defined as "sexual deviancy" when a heterosexual encounter of the same type would not be. And all to make sure his actions luridly hit home to a public they think is neanderthal on the issue of homosexuality in the first place... Pretty damn cynical to say the least...

Now as to your suggestion that my feelings on Bush's behavior on a plethora of other issues must be in agreement with yours in order to have the right credentials to be properly shocked.... again, for a guy who spent days here chiding people for bringing up Clinton while you were gloating to them about Craig, you sure don't hesitate to deflect from your chosen subject when you wish.

Rather than assuming you are able to address an accusation of shocking political gamesmanship on it's own merits, after you brought up KATRINA!... I should have just brought the argument full circle and demanded that you pledge allegiance to having been shocked by various Clinton scandals, then you could say,,,, once again that Clinton is not the issue.... to close the circle entirely.

Go cut-and-paste something, WDYT. You sound much more logical and consistent that way.

Now she is making her way in this world alone...what a shame it is that people have to make these kind of choices in, of all places....America!!

Posted by: Mike at August 30, 2007 6:30 PM

So let's let her have some other choices.

Let's let them have tax breaks for their own insurance policy that would cater to their needs.

Let's shore up Medicare and Medicaid and supplementals that help out people in such circumstances. Federal system (ding!)

Let's work on state laws that would provide the same stipulations for group coverage for insurance co-opts as they do for businesses.

Why must you formulate everything as the way you prefer or else it's craven profiteering and cruel disregard?

"Let's let them have tax breaks for their own insurance policy that would cater to their needs"

Because such insurance policies are often completely out of reach for people in such circumstances, if available at all....Sorry Cecelia, NOT a solution!

I have a better idea. Lets take the insurance industry out of the picture entirely.
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"why must you formulate everything as the way you prefer or else it's craven profiteering and cruel disregard?"

Contrary to your assertion, it certainly doesn't necessarily have to be done MY way, .... but I have yet to see a workable plan that leaves the insurance industry in control that solves the basic problem.

Contrary to your assertion, it certainly doesn't necessarily have to be done MY way, .... but I have yet to see a workable plan that leaves the insurance industry in control that solves the basic problem.

Posted by: Mike at August 30, 2007 8:45 PM

Actually, you've moved from talking about greedy drug companies and insurance companies, to talking about greedy health care providers, and making Cee a specific example in that effort of yours.

You idea of "workable plan" is to suggest that there would not be rationing of goods and services under a govt plan and that's just not the case and you can start with the example of both govt programs in existence NOW.

You idea of a workable plan is to dismiss any concern for product with the rationalization that this shouldn't matter as long as more people are covered.

You even made a ridiculous comment to Cee that wealthy people will always have the ability to get the treatment they need out side of a nationalized system? Oh really? Did you know that the first Clinton plan for a govt. take over over the means of pay for health care would have made it illegal for doctors to treat clients on a private pay basis?

You just disagree with all of those facts.
I see.

Or were you for it before you were against it?

Maybe you should cut and paste something, anything. It would make a hell of a lot more sense than your 6 paragragh jibber jabber.

Didn't I call it you'd try to pontificate your way out of this "stunned" topic?

You are nothing else but predictable.

Posted by: Why don't you think at August 30, 2007 9:25 PM

I've never agree with your "facts", WDYT. You're using them as diversionary tactics doesn't make any difference.

You spent the last two days chiding Factor for bringing up Clinton and McGreevey while you were gloating about Craig and talking about how there's a innate hypocrisy factor for Republicans....you get a counter argument and now you want to change the subject to Iraq and Bush.

Are you that much at a loss? Surely there's some sort of Blue Blog talking point you can plagiarize. :D