Seems like the New York Times is agreeing with Rush Limbaugh here that Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb is overrated. I would assume most people tuned into NBC on Sunday night in part to see how McNabb's surgically repaired knee stood up against the Pittsburgh Steelers' defense, but the Times seems to think they tuned in for Olbermann, and had less of an interest in seeing how McNabb or Ben Rothlisberger fared.

I have periodically popped over to enjoy the negative comments at the message board. Its negative Keith comments followed by loon attacks against the poster. Typical.

Anyone with a brain would be able to read the tea leves and see the sports fans really hated Keith and the loons, in their small numbers, will stop at nothing to defend him. Yet anyone with a brain does not apply to the brass at NBC. They continue to steer the network left right into the wall.

Excellent summary of the truth about Keith Olbermann's COUNTDOWN network debut, Brandon. On the whole, I think NBC should realize that Olbermann's appeal is very limited and he provides no potential for growth of the franchise.

I also think your coverage of the reviews are fair. I have seen no other positive critiques and The Time's suggestion is flawed.

Thanks Cee. I did look for positive articles to balance things out but the only problem is that there weren't any save for the TVN and NYT stories. I was particularly intrigued by the way in which the NY Times article was worded. To the casual reader who would skim over the actual ratings numbers, it does seem to imply that Olbermann was responsible for NBC's ratings success on Sunday, not the football game which was the case.

Also, I've noticed on a couple of tv-news/industry websites the following type of posts--Olbermann beats O'Reilly--4M Viewers! I'm guessing they were begun by the same Olbyloon (or Olbermann or an Olbermann employee). But there's some very flawed logic in that argument which I'm sure that most broadcast insiders can see straight through: O'Reilly is on Cable, wasn't appearing directly against Olbermann on Sunday night, and Olbermann has never managed to beat O'Reilly in a head-to-head line-up with Countdown.

But Olbermann, his fans, or his employees, are apparently trying very hard to pitch this as some sort of ratings victory because he got more viewrs than he ever had on MSNBC. You could put ANY cable show on a broadcast network and that would probably be true. But the ratings tell a very different story: he came in fourth in a five-way race. And even websites and publications usually friendly to Olbermann, hell, even a couple of his FAN sites, panned his Sunday night gig.

Plus Brandon, Olbermann was providing NEW programming against repeats on the other networks....including a repeat of a silly gameshow!

For anyone to try to say a fourth place/four positions is a victory is really pathetic. In otherwords, he was in last place!

Can we get the ratings for the usual show in the timeslot....I believe it is DATELINE?

Perhaps an increase compared to DATELINE's rating in the same environment will give Olbermann and his fans some solace.

Fourth place.

12:10PM as cee

(I have had problems getting my name posted as ID because I am using a common computer today)

From 8/13: The night's most watched program was the Tiger-boosted "60 Minutes," which did a 6.7/13 in the 7 p.m. hour for CBS. "Dateline NBC" was second with a 3.9/7, just ahead of "America's Funniest Home Videos" on ABC. FOX's "'Til Death" and "King of the Hill" repeats may not have been strong, but they nearly doubled up the 0.8/2 for The CW's "Smallville."

Olbermann pulled a 1.3 in the same timeslot compared to Dateline's 3.9 on 8/13/07. You do the math.

"Olbermann pulled a 1.3 in the same timeslot compared to Dateline's 3.9 on 8/13/07. You do the math."

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He put the network into fourth place when it was second before, and again, I stress....he was offering NEW programming against repeats on the other networks.

He, he, he.....Like I said, Olbermann has VERY limited appeal.

Again, me (cee) at 12:25PM

Loons still trying to spin this as he was "exposed" to 4M people. Kind of like a Dateline "predator" perv I guess. Anyway, let's take a look at what Olbermann's regular Countdown ratings are like this week and see if it's paid off to get him "exposed".

It will also be interesting to take a look at this year's Football Night in America ratings on NBC and see how they compare to last year's NFL pregame show on the network (though admittedly, there are other factors here, such as the addition of Tiki Barber as well as Keith to the show, and whether or not there are a number of games on CBS or Fox that run long and keep football fans from tuning over to NBC before the late game starts).

The loons will blame Bush and FOX for any long games that preempt Whacko KeithO's show. Its what they do. CONSPIRACY!

I've updated to add a similar looking memo that has gone out across the TV Industry websites--"Olby a success--comes in fourth!" and how they are trying to compare his broacast ratings to O'Reilly's regular cable ratings as if he was in a head-to-head contest with him on Sunday night when that just isn't true. But nothing stops the Olbyspinners from spinning, not even the truth.

When my NY Giants play the Dallas Cowboys on the opening weekend on MBC, I will have to turn down the volume, eacn and every time that Keith Olbermann is on. He adds nothing to the NFL pregame show.

DEMO Rankings:

1 America's Got Talent 4.1 NBC Tuesday
2 The Singing Bee 3.3 NBC Tuesday
3 Sunday Night Football 3.2 NBC Sunday
4 Big Brother 3.1 CBS Tuesday
5 Last Comic Standing 3.1 NBC Wednesday
6 Two and a Half Men 3.0 CBS Monday
7 Big Brother 3.0 CBS Thursday
8 CSI 2.9 CBS Thursday
9 Without a Trace 2.8 CBS Thursday
10 Big Brother 2.8 CBS Sunday
11 Wife Swap 2.7 ABC Monday
12 TV's Funniest Moments 2.5 FOX Monday
13 Primetime: Crime 2.4 ABC Tuesday
14 CSI: NY 2.4 CBS Wednesday
15 Just for Laughs 2.3 ABC Tuesday
16 The Office 2.3 NBC Thursday
17 Rules of Engagement 2.2 CBS Monday
18 CSI: Miami 2.2 CBS Monday
19 Power of 10 2.2 CBS Wednesday
20 America's Most Wanted 2.2 FOX Saturday
21 Extreme Home Makeover 2.2 ABC Sunday
22 Fat March 2.1 ABC Monday
23 SuperNanny 2.1 ABC Monday
24 Dateline 2.1 NBC Wednesday
25 Criminal Minds 2.1 CBS Wednesday
26 Most Outrageous Moments 2.1 NBC Wednesday
27 Football 2.1 FOX Thursday
28 48 Hours (10pm) 2.1 CBS Saturday
29 20/20 2.1 ABC Friday
30 I-Caught 2.0 ABC Tuesday
31 House 2.0 FOX Tuesday
32 Cold Case 2.0 CBS Sunday
33 America's Funniest Videos 2.0 ABC Sunday
34 Power of 10 1.9 CBS Tuesday
35 My Name is Earl 1.9 NBC Thursday
36 How I Met Your Mother 1.8 CBS Monday
37 Old Christine 1.7 CBS Monday
38 According to Jim 1.7 ABC Wednesday
39 30 Rock 1.7 NBC Thursday
40 Scrubs 1.7 NBC Thursday
41 48 Hours (9pm) 1.7 CBS Saturday
42 Teen Choice Awards 1.7 FOX Sunday
43 Dateline 1.6 NBC Monday
44 NCIS 1.6 CBS Tuesday
45 Cops 1.6 FOX Saturday
46 Football 1.6 CBS Friday
47 Shark 1.6 CBS Sunday
48 Thank God You're Here 1.5 NBC Monday
49 Desperate Housewives 1.5 ABC Sunday
50 60 Minutes 1.5 CBS Sunday
51 NASCAR in Primetime 1.4 ABC Wednesday
52 Grey's Anatomy 1.4 ABC Thursday
53 Ghost Whisperer 1.4 CBS Saturday
54 America's Got Talent 1.4 NBC Saturday
55 Medium 1.4 NBC Saturday
56 Miss Teen USA 1.4 NBC Friday
57 Law & Order: SVU 1.4 NBC Friday
58 Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader 1.4 FOX Sunday
59 Friday Night Smackdown 1.3 CW Friday
60 Ugly Betty 1.3 ABC Thursday
61 Movie: Cat in the Hat 1.3 ABC Saturday
62 Countdown with Keith Olbermann 1.3 NBC Sunday

http://tvbb.zap2it.com/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=784337&Main=784326

Olbermann is a loser.

Re: The HuffPo link in the update:

Kittman's a longtime liberal, dating from his days as Newsday's TV critic. But he's not a loon, and his Huffington Post entry does show that while he's in general a fan of Keith and "Countdown", even he has reservations about some of the aspects of Sunday's show, while couching some of that in "Don't expect football fans to get the show" lingo, which should help Marvin avoid too many brickbats in the comments thread from the Olby fans.

On the other hand, if the talking points among Keith's biggest fans turns into "Pro football fans are too stupid to get Olbermann's wit" if hiis Sunday night efforts crash like the Hindenberg, that's probably not going to do either Keith or NBC's hopes for better ratings from the masses for "Countdown" any good.

With Olby they thought they'd attract
More viewers, but neglected one fact:
Keith's widely hated
And way overrated
Joe 6-pack's not buying his act

"On the other hand, if the talking points among Keith's biggest fans turns into 'Pro football fans are too stupid to get Olbermann's wit' if his Sunday night efforts crash like the Hindenberg, that's probably not going to do either Keith or NBC's hopes for better ratings from the masses for 'Countdown' any good."

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Isn't this the same network that planned on (or even started) to do a sting at NASCAR events to see if the "typical fans" would react negatively to "middle-eastern" (read: Muslim) patrons.

Ah, the elite leftist establishment.....so much better than the average Joe (and Mary) who likes good football and NASCAR.

Damn fundy flat-earthers!

Ugh, me again at 1:54PM

That was a good catch Brandon. It is sickening to see the NYT with this kind of "tricky" and biased writing for something so meaningless as tv ratings. Imagine what they do with real news.

See if you notice a similarity in the following Olbyloon talking points posted across the internets today: Daily Kos; Countdown On NBC Does DOUBLE O'Reilly's Ratings; MediaBistro Message Boards (aka TVNewser); Olberman Doubles O'Reilly - Huge Victory; and the TVSpy Message Boards; Olbermann's numbers----a big hit.

This just shows how stupid the left believes their follower's are. Cable, which one must pay for or free tv which is for you libanutt's your kind of tv. So let's think for a moment libs....a show that one must pay to see whips a show everynight that one must pay to see, but one said show get's to be watched(?) for free and the other doesn't and you try to compare, then your master's are correct, you are DUMBASSES!

Reading other posts I found in the last 24 hours,
Olbermann fans still think....I am not making this up!

Keith is not biased, just speaks the truth.
Keith beats OReilley in the 'covetted' demos.
Keith comes in second every night.
Keith's rating continue to rise.
Keith is the top newscaster at MCNBC

ALL happen to be talking points that ARE LIES...

From the leftis daily kos crackpots yesterday:

"NBC Sports comment board

"The posts are almost unanimously against Keith. Some Kosacks should go post a comment to balance them out."

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And this one is very funny:

"Oh dear... ...I think those posts are the combined effluent from FR, Olbermann watch, Rush Limblow, and FOX. Many of them have the same tone... hmmm."

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Oh dear!
And this one.....(Alright OlbyWatch!):

"We need to counter the frothing Olbermann-watch people."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/27/175837/896

They believe a lot of crap that Keith tells them. I noticed in the DUmmies thread that one rocket scientist denied that Olbermann had ever flashed the well-documented Nazi Salute. It seems where Olbermann is concerned his Krazies are determind to create their own alternate reality in which he's a "ratings" success.

best paragraph from Marvin Kittner at Huffington Post:

"But even I find his style a little too smarmy sometimes, supercilious, a know-it- all, self-important, self-righteous. I can appreciate why football fans wouldn't want to be stuck in an elevator with the guy."

Brandon, you were spot on, numbers don't lie:

COUNTDOWN: DOWN FOR THE COUNT-
Keith Olbermann's Countdown will probably be counted out of contention for the pre-game slot preceding NBC's Football Night in America and Sunday Night Football, several analysts agreed Monday as overnight ratings indicated that the show attracted just 4.3 million viewers, putting it in last place among the four major networks. (The football game itself drew 10.3 million in its first half hour.) Although Olbermann had said that he did not intend to alter Countdown for its broadcast network showcase, some critics maintained that that's exactly what he did, watering down his often hard-hitting liberal commentaries.

http://www.movieweb.com/tv/news/10/22310.php

Very excellent pieces about what ads MS-NBC & CNBC will or will not air.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/08/28/cable-ratings-bottomfeeders-refuse-pro-war-ads/

the following is an excellent comment about the above link:

"GE, the parent of NBC and MSNBC is attempting to market themselves as the lefts version of Fox. It’s a pretty shrewd move in my view, given that so many lefties have no real place to call home since Rather was booted. Matthews and Olberman are test balloons for the rabid left.

Brace yourself folks because GE is one of the top marketing companies in the history of mankind. It’s all by design."

swami on August 28, 2007 at 2:52 PM

The format for Sunday Night Football with Olbermann as special commentator is quite amusing, though I am sure the producers did not intend it in this way. Have you noticed that Olbermann is kind of shunted off to the side until they're ready to let him out of his cage to perform.

And "perform" is really the appropriate verb. Olbermann is much like a circus act, with his trainers, the off-screen teleprompter operators, giving Olby his cue and after a few perfectly timed head turns, a couple of self righteous smirks and Ted- Baxter-channeling voice intonations, he's done and then Bob, Cris, Tiki and Jerome go back to what they were talking about before they let KO out of his cage.

This is somewhat reminiscent of the heyday of Saturday Night Leave Weekend Update, where they had a series of weirdo characters to whom the anchor would give over a couple of minutes during the Update to spout their wacky and often unintelligible opinions. Remember Emily Litella, Rosanne Roseannadanna, Chico Escuela, and (most apropros) Tommy "Yeah, that's the ticket" Flanagan? Olbermann is like one of these characters. He doesn't really participate in any meaningful way until he is unleashed to spew his two minutes of drivel and then is quickly forgotten as soon as he finshes his insipid rant.

Hank, I haven't thought about any of those characters in years and years. It brought a few chuckles.

Wasn't there also Father Guido?

Grammie

If anybody wants to go in a way-back machine...here are some remants of the KarmaBites1 blog...sadly the comments seem to be gone forever:

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=161677

Here are some choice posts from KarmaBites1:

"Other sites have mentioned that he wears a rug. Not true. He has the softest hair I've ever run my fingers through."

"There are a few ladies posting comments from the old Yahoo board(s) where Keith himself was an active poster. They have been kind enough to share some KO trivia; he was in love with someone other than himself at one time, he wrote a novel about the one who "got away" and he'd send the ladies on the board on-air messages. Feel free to use this thread as a reunion of sorts or just post whatever you want the rest of us to know about him." posted by KarmaBites1 at 3:42 PM 129 Comments

A former "date" of KO mentioned that he wears beads. Well, that's correct. I've found a picture similar to the one he wore on our night together. posted by KarmaBites1 at 1:00 AM 64 Comments

Yep, this is a screen shot from tonight's Countdown show. Whenever I check my statcounter there are always several IP's fron NBC. I hope his staff is having as much fun reading my blog as I have posting on it. Love the Countdown staff, hate the jerk who hosts it.

I've had over 70,000 hits at this site since it's debut. At this rate, I'll have more viewers than you in the ever important 25-54 demo. posted by KarmaBites1 at 9:41 PM 141 Comments

Hi Grammie,

I was curious as to your response to the question I posed a few days ago. I think you realize (unlike others) that my question did not claim that the law provided support for military action but showed, to me, that the plan to democratize Iraq was already set in motion. Why would there be a need to enact the law if the policy was already set? Also, if the law set forth an objective to take out Saddam in some fashion outside of direct military action, what did those who signed onto it believe would have happened in Iraq with a dethroned Saddam? There was a pledge of money (really a pittance) for humanitarian effort and such. Without the U.S., I can't see how there could have been a smooth transition in that case. I will wait for your response and ignore the influx of the usual. I ask you because I think you have probably followed this closely much longer than I, and I respect your opinion. In looking at the record, I did notice that Ron Paul is the only one who really stuck to his guns on the issue. Even Kucinich voted for the 1998 legislation. Also, I was curious as to your reaction to Buchanan's newest opinion piece fearing a push for war with Iran. You can access it through Drudge.

Cecelia,

I would welcome your input as well. I initially directed my question to Grammie; that is why I followed up with her.

P.S.

Go Steelers

The 10:37 and 10:38 comments were from me.

Sharon, good to see you. As promised:

Sharon, I don't remember anything independently about the act from that time. It was passed just a month or two before The House impeached President Clinton and it probably didn't get much play and was over powered by the Impeachment.

I really remember it from Senator Clinton virtually citing it as a justification for her husband to launch an attack against Iraq and as part of her justification to vote to allow President Bush authority to invade Iraq.

>From her floor speech @:

http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html

"In 1998, Saddam Hussein pressured the United Nations to lift the sanctions by threatening to stop all cooperation with the inspectors. In an attempt to resolve the situation, the UN, unwisely in my view, agreed to put limits on inspections of designated "sovereign sites" including the so-called presidential palaces, which in reality were huge compounds well suited to hold weapons labs, stocks, and records which Saddam Hussein was required by UN resolution to turn over. When Saddam blocked the inspection process, the inspectors left. As a result, President Clinton, with the British and others, ordered an intensive four-day air assault, Operation Desert Fox, on known and suspected weapons of mass destruction sites and other military targets.

In 1998, the United States also changed its underlying policy toward Iraq from containment to regime change and began to examine options to effect such a change, including support for Iraqi opposition leaders within the country and abroad."

The Iraqi Liberation Act preceded Operation Desert Fox by two months.

I agree with you that the Act became in effect a codified by law policy of the US to actively pursue regime change without a specific authorization for an invasion to realize the objective. The Iraq invasion in 2003 was just the last step in a long buildup re our relations with Sadam Hussein. It did not happen full blown in a matter of a year but rather was the logical extension of the policy begun in Gulf War One.

Gulf War One was actually ended more with a ceasefire contingent upon certain actions by Iraq. Iraq violated all of them repeatedly from day one and was in violation of how many UN Resolutions, about a dozen. Some of those resolutions had a very strong consequences.

I'm going to save this until I see you posting here again. And I do hope that you come back to visit often.

Grammie

Hello again. I just posted a link to a funny picture on the newest thread. You may get a laugh also.

Sorry, Sharon at 10:55.

Sharon, when I saw your user I quickly went to my comment to post it while you were here without reading your post.

Having read your post I agree that it was not by any stretch of the imagination an authorization or resolution for an invasion.

I view it more as one step in a decade long journey to remove Sadam Hussein from power .

Grammie

Grammie,

I will be back to check again. I need to take care of a few things (should I embellish here like some others? naah : ) but due to my ingesting of some serious junk food, sleep will not come for a little while.

Grammie,

One of the things I planned to do (shower) has backfired due to a 3 year old's habit of waking up after 2 hours. So, here I am. I think Buchanan is over-reacting (if you had a chance to read his opinion for this week), but he is so knowledgeable that I have to consider that opinion.

"Among adults 18 to 49"

That's a key qualifier. The NYT's isn't implying as much as your imagination, or lack of reading ability, seems to suggest.

Sharon, I don't follow Buchanan. I know he is sometimes touted as the 'Conservative of Record' by those who wouldn't recognize a conservative if he bit him on his gluteous maximus.

If Buchanan is anything he is a throwback to the 1930's isolationism. One prominent Republican Senator at that time actually said, and I paraphrase (can't be too careful these days) "If only I had talked to Hitler before the Polish invasion he might not have done it".

I wish you the best with your poor sleeper.

Grammie

Grammie,

Buchanan isn't really accepted by any group. I watch him on the various news shows, and he knows how to debate in a respectful way toward all. I actually saw him once on Olbermann. He is an isolationist, for sure. I haven't agreed with him on every point, but he is quite knowledgeable about history; he can't be caught in a gotcha moment. What I respected about him was that although he strongly opposed the war, he tried to put aside his personal convictions and rally behind the president because he felt it was good for the country to stay united. Most people would not conduct themselves that way, put aside strongly held beliefs. But when so many aspects were mishandled, he spoke about very strongly. He also felt that it was worth giving the surge a chance, although he didn't believed there was little chance of making a difference. Anyway, his opinion pieces are not that lengthy and usually hit on some poignant issues. Right now the war is THE issue, but I remain very concerned about social security and Medicare.

The poor sleeper is back asleep. : )

Oh, I didn't proofread there. I hope you got the points. Must be bedtime...

Janet: "I don't follow Buchanon. I know he is sometimes touted as the "conservative of record" by those who wouldn't recognize a conservative if he bit him on his gluteous maximus"

LOL....Yeah, right Janet!

I guess to YOU, a "conservative":

1) - Believes in running up big debts and deficits while living well beyond one's means on a national level, while simultaneously preaching "personal responsibility" on an individual level?

2) - Believes in and supports militaristic "nation building" projects even while being led in such ambitious and decidedly liberal endeavours by one who specifically preached against same to get elected.

Two points:

Buchanan is a conservative, maybe not to those further right than the GOP.

and...

Here cums Larry, is more like it.

"all over the GOP chances for a victory in 08'"

Not so fast! ...I NEVER would have believed we would be so collectively dumb as to re-elect Bush in 2004, ....until it happened!

But dear Olbyloon, you are HERE and you are pissed off that WE are still here, documenting the lies and biases of Keith Olbermann (and the mainstream media who enable him) on a daily basis. That is a success in anyone's mind except of course the deluded minds of Olbyloons who believe that not a word of TRUTH should be spoken about the lies of Keith T. Olbermann.

Never ceases to amaze me that the Olbermann defenders come here to Bash Bush...

Out of place and deserve all the name calling they get. Hang out at Crooks and Liars where they believe everything the blue blogs spit out...

knowledge is power- and you have none.
Republican president!
Do Nothing Democratic Congress

Oh, to mental midget (why) who claims The Iraq War will only be the responsibility of G.W. Bush.....I give you, the nutty left wing....

"Baird floats $200 billion blank check for Iraq?

"by Kagro X

"Wed Aug 29, 2007 at 07:12:58 AM PDT

"President Bush plans to ask Congress next month for up to $50 billion in additional funding for the war in Iraq, a White House official said yesterday, a move that appears to reflect increasing administration confidence that it can fend off congressional calls for a rapid drawdown of U.S. forces.

"The request -- which would come on top of about $460 billion in the fiscal 2008 defense budget and $147 billion in a pending supplemental bill to fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq -- is expected to be announced after congressional hearings scheduled for mid-September featuring the two top U.S. officials in Iraq.

"$50 billion more on top of another $147 billion in a pending supplemental.

"What? You haven't heard anything about this $147 billion supplemental? Really? Oops, my bad.

"And just where does the president think he's going to get the political momentum to overcome the enormous (and more than deserved) public cynicism about his insane plans?

"The request is being prepared now in the belief that Congress will be unlikely to balk so soon after hearing the two officials argue that there are promising developments in Iraq but that they need more time to solidify the progress they have made, a congressional aide said.

"Ah. Yes. The brilliantly scheduled September 11th briefing from his Fairy Godgeneral.

"But will that be enough to overcome the opposition of Democrats in Congress?

"'His credibility went way down' after past predictions fell short, said Dave Rehbein, a Vietnam War-era veteran attending the convention. But Rehbein, from Ames, Iowa, took comfort in the fact that congressional Democrats and others who have recently visited Iraq are returning with more favorable views.

"Ahem.

"Brian Baird, that means you.

"It's your comments, and your all-too-eager appearances in the right wing media's spin cycle that Mr. Rehbein is talking about.

"This $200 billion and the soldiers it's going to put in the ground are on you.

"UPDATE: Watching you too, Senator Levin.

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I repeat....""This $200 billion and the soldiers it's going to put in the ground are on you."

Well MM....I will leave you with my usual....

Bring the troops home now!......Cut the funds!

And a shortened tag.....

And this is my post today, the 1,582nd day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

From IMDB

'Countdown': Down for the Count?

Keith Olbermann's Countdown will probably be counted out of contention for the pre-game slot preceding NBC's Football Night in America and Sunday Night Football, several analysts agreed Monday as overnight ratings indicated that the show attracted just 4.3 million viewers, putting it in last place among the four major networks. (The football game itself drew 10.3 million in its first half hour.) Although Olbermann had said that he did not intend to alter Countdown for its broadcast network showcase, some critics maintained that that's exactly what he did, watering down his often hard-hitting liberal commentaries.

Not so fast! ...I NEVER would have believed we would be so collectively dumb as to re-elect Bush in 2004, ....until it happened!

Posted by: Mike at August 29, 2007 1:37 AM

Just our daily dose of hypocrisy from you know who......this certain spolbyloon has criticised Cox for supposedly claiming most people were dumb and what does this certain spolbyloon do? The exact same thing! I keep telling him to think before he posts.........

Jeff: "I keep telling him to think before he posts....."

Why Jeff? You never do!

No rebuttal in regards to your daily dose of hypocrisy on OW? Thought so.

Jeff puuullleeesse! THINK before you post!

Mike is the king of diversion, for sure. RK, he has no rebuttal, he's nailed, again.

What exactly would you like me to 'rebutt' 3:11 anon.

ANd anon, if you think Jeff has ever actually "nailed" ANYONE, you must just as dumb as he is...and that's not a good thing.

And by the way, 3:11 anon sounds A LOT like Jeff!...Coming to his own defense.

Just an observation!

Just our daily dose of hypocrisy from you know who......this certain spolbyloon has criticised Cox for supposedly claiming most people were dumb and what does this certain spolbyloon do? The exact same thing! I keep telling him to think before he posts.........

Posted by: royal king at August 29, 2007 1:06 PM

Rebut this.

Well Jeff....Maybe Cox was right! ..... They sure as hell were collectively dumb that day they pulled that lever for Bush in 2004, .... after all that was known about him even then, weren't they?

I criticized Cox for being excessively arrogant, and yes I did use a similar quote as an example after he called himself a genious.

So, Jeff you believe the context is the same, fine...call me arrogant too, I don't give a damn. I'd rather be arrogant than wrong.

Hey Jeff, speaking of Cox, ...you obviously like quoting him. remember that quote from him stating that "Cable TV News leans to the right"?

Or do you just like quoting him selectively?

Where did I quote Cox? What does that quote about cable news have to do with this discussion? Just a diversion? Throwing it in because it fits your agenda? CNN-left. MSNBC-left. HNN-left. CNBC-left. Fox News-Fair and Balanced, #1. Cox is wrong, IF that's what he said.

"Where did I quote Cox?": Then what in the hell was your question Jeff? It wasn't a question at all, was it? You thought you had 'nailed' me because both he and I had once questioned the collective intelligence of the American people, and I criticized him for doing that. I admitted we had in fact, both done that, (but in a different context) and you're STILL not satisfied. And yes, Cox DID say that on this very discussion board, and he was right about that too.

Amazing how you can be so wrong even when you're right.!

Correction- Cox questioned the intelligence of the American people, you went into a hand wringing 2 day tyrant when he did so, if I remember correctly and I do. Nice spin, though, I'll give you that.

Thanks, rudy......