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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004

    August 29, 2007
    TVNewser tries Honesty about KO's ratings!

    Wow, it's a first for TVNewser! TVN actually decided to print some honesty about Keith Olbermann's ratings-but not before running a glowing press release straight from the MSNBC PR department first:

    MSNBC Delivers Strongest Growth of Any Cable News Net in Total Day and Primetime. Countdown with Keith Olbermann Maintains Momentum, Beating CNN at 8 PM in Total Viewers and A25-54; NBC's ratings growth continued this summer, as the network delivered the strongest growth of any cable news net in August in total day (M-Sun), weekday primetime (8-11 pm) and in sales primetime (M-Sun 7pm-2am) in both total viewers and the Adult 25-54 demographic, compared to August 06. "Countdown with Keith Olbermann" continued its success for the network, finishing #2 ahead of CNN at 8pm in both A25-54 and total viewers and up an astonishing 55 percent in the A25-54 demo and 67 percent in total viewers compared to last year. Countdown with Keith Olbermann (M-F 8pm) continues to gain traction, up an amazing 67 percent in total viewers versus last year (721,000 vs. 431,000) and up 55 percent in the A25-54 demo (259,000 vs. 167,000). "Countdown" beat CNN by a comfortable 17 percent in A25-54, and also enjoyed a three percent advantage in total viewers. Both CNN and FNC saw declines in the A25-54 demo at 8 p.m.

    Something, God knows what, got into TVNewser however and they later decided to take a closer look at MSNBC's ratings claims. Here is the REAL story about the "success" of Keith Olbermann:

    August Ratings: The 8pm Picture Keith Olbermann's year-to-year growth may be the story at MSNBC, but Countdown was still #3 at 8pmET. Even with CNN's hodge-podge of a schedule at 8 (Paula Zahn's last days, Out in the Open, CNN Special Reports, and an airing of Larry King) Olbermann trailed CNN in total viewers and the 25-54 demo.

    But but but. . . didn't TVN run that first piece claiming what a "ratings success" Keith Olbermann was? That would be because MSNBC is using the numbers that are most flattering to their ego-inflated "star" which would be the Live Plus ratings, which are the same ratings that TVN posts on a near-daily basis, not the Live numbers which clearly do NOT favor Olbermann. How do we know this? Read on as TVN scrambles to explain:

    These are Nielsen LIVE numbers only, so they do not include DVR data, which Countdown generally benefits from.

    Here for the record are the REAL ratings for the 8pm hour in August.

    FNC (O'Reilly): 2,096,000
    CNN (Various): 727,000
    MSNBC (Countdown): 638,000

    And in oh-so-coveted "demo"?
    FNC (O'Reilly): 420,000
    CNN (Various): 242,000
    MSNBC (Countdown): 218,000

    But the question remains, why did TVN post the initial press release from MSNBC without bothering to clarify what ratings data set that MSNBC was using in calculating their misleading ratings claims? All networks use data that is most flattering to them of course but as a website that purports to cover TV News isn't it an obligation of TVN to do a little more than just run press releases? But we have to give them credit, this may well be the first time ever that TVN has decided to look beyond the press releases and more closely examine the true ratings story regarding the 8pm hour.

    By the way, interesting discussion over at Inside Cable News, who has a fine breakdown chart of the Top 25 programs in the "key demo" in the month of August which illustrates just how greatly breaking news stories (mine disaster, bridge disaster) boosted and skewered the ratings for August. Only 2 programs out of the Top 25 were regularly scheduled programs (and both were O'Reilly), the rest of the top 25 programs were all breaking news events. Did MSNBC calculate their ratings using these breaking news events? Who knows--it's not like anyone is going to actually question them, it's just easier to post their press releases. But one thing is for sure, MSNBC is clearly not the "go-to" network when breaking news happens. That honor belongs to Fox and CNN.

    Keith Olbermann may well be MSNBC's choice as their "news" anchor but one thing is very certain, he's not the viewer's choice!

    Posted by Brandon | Permalink | Comments (148) | | View blog reactions


    He'll brag about Countdown's high rating
    First place? Don't hold your breath waiting
    Olby's stuck in third
    Like some dangling turd
    First place is the man he is hating

    Great breakdown....
    I understand MSNBC bragging about growth- its a marketing ploy. But the leftie blogs pick it up as a huge ratings triumph and it perpetuates itself. Seems MSNBC is floundering AND CNN is picking up the strays. CNN was the liberal news channel of choice until MSNBC went fringe. Now CNN reaps the rewards. I'd like to see growth at CNN rather than Olbermann and Abrahms and company.

    The fact that the loons can't see the real truth is proof positive they are the dumb rats on the sinking ship.

    Hey OW, suburbarazzi gives you guys a nice shout out (with links!):

    (I love the way the keep using some ancient pic of him that makes him look older than he does now! too funny!)

    BTW: look for "Dorrie" to make an entrance there, like she did this time:

    (Also, She's already back at the NBC boards as "Jackie" (she sure does have a lot of "personalities" doesn't she)

    This is the most brilliant piece of investigative journalism I've ever had the honor to read!

    Got this from IMDB:

    'Countdown': Down for the Count?

    Keith Olbermann's Countdown will probably be counted out of contention for the pre-game slot preceding NBC's Football Night in America and Sunday Night Football, several analysts agreed Monday as overnight ratings indicated that the show attracted just 4.3 million viewers, putting it in last place among the four major networks. (The football game itself drew 10.3 million in its first half hour.) Although Olbermann had said that he did not intend to alter Countdown for its broadcast network showcase, some critics maintained that that's exactly what he did, watering down his often hard-hitting liberal commentaries.

    SWEET! We can only hope!

    Another failure for the loons deity!

    left right you all are suckers they don't care about you just your votes and money

    "Until MSNBC went fringe".............LOL!

    YOUR definition of 'fringe' is mainstream America's definition of center.

    Numbers don't lie:

    For all the talk about CNN (and Zahn's) also-ran status at 8 p.m., CNN actually finished ahead of MSNBC at 8 p.m. Zahn's remaining four shows and Out in the Open, which has replaced it, beat MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann in total viewers (727,000 versus 638,000) and the demo (242,000 versus 218,000), based on live Nielsen numbers.

    You'd think America's center would have higher ratings... dontcha Mike?

    Funny- LOL on that? You should write for the "Half Hour News Hour"

    It will be interesting to see the numbers for Monday & Tuesday, to see if he got any bump from Sunday nights 4 million viewers.

    left right you all are suckers they don't care about you just your votes and money
    Posted by: yo at August 29, 2007 2:36 PM

    Yo: "they" don't even care about your vote, just your money. Keep on Shopping America!

    Mike says:

    "YOUR definition of 'fringe' is mainstream America's definition of center."


    Cecilia already schooled you several days on this silly Olbermann-is-mainstream claim of yours.

    She pointed out that Olby has done things like demand President Bush's resignation, given credence to the loony theory that the 2000 presidential vote in Ohio was stolen, suggesting that Pat Tillman was deliberately assassinated and many other positions that are, to any reasonable thinking person, left wing fringe positions. You are free to argue whether you think these positions are correct, but you are entering OlbyPlanet territory when you claim that he is "mainstream"

    "You'd think America's center would have a higher rating... dontcha Mike."

    Actually, they do Benson, .... it's called "the Big Three" - NBC, ABC, & CBS, which all garner FAR higher News ratings than anything on cable, including your beloved Fox 'fringe' network.

    Mike let me explain something to you. You can't compare ratings on cable to ratings on broadcast tv. It's an apples vs. oranges comparison but that just shows you how completely and totally desperate the Olbyloons are to spin this in Olbermann's favor. There is no spinning this ratings disaster but God knows they and the MSNBC/NBC PR department are trying.

    And for the record Mikey, Fox News in the top most viewed cable networks. No other news network can make that claim. So I'm not sure what your little claim that it is a "fringe" network is about when it is THE most watched cable news network far and away above all the others and is also one of the most watched cable networks period.

    But hey, it's Mike. Facts, truth, none of that matters when he has a talking point to deliver.

    And the Olbyloons haven't been able to spin this for Olbermann in any way, shape, or form but that doesn't stop them from trying.

    Hank, Hank, Hank! Benson referred to "MSNBC" network as a whole as a "fringe" network, not Countdown. THAT is the precise argument I responded to.

    As for demanding Bush's resignation....kind of a silly demand since Bush completely lacks personal integrity, but a reasonable demand nonetheless. As for for "suggesting" Tillman was assasinated...I don't think he did that.

    Keeping an open mind to the possibiltiy of something smalling fishy at the fish factory is a far cry from actually "sugesting" something.

    WTF Mike- you were defending MSNBC and then throw in network ratings? Way to lose sight of the ball.

    Actually, they do Benson, .... it's called "the Big Three" - NBC, ABC, & CBS, which all garner FAR higher News ratings than anything on cable, including your beloved Fox 'fringe' network.

    Posted by: Mike at August 29, 2007 3:10 PM

    Any proof?

    WHat a shock, Mike, another looney dickhead repeating the fox news is evil mantra

    I think you have include FOX in the big three; Idol, The Simpsons, Family Guy (in the old days, The X-files) just to name a few, soundly beat many of the "big three" programs on any given night for years...

    Let us not forget, that Olbermann's Sunday Night Countdown on NBC was beat by shows that were reruns.

    I was just pointing out a FACT Brandon!

    Fox's 'higher' rated cable 'News' represents just a miniscule percentage of the total population. In fact, the audience of all of cable news taken together as a whole still represents only a tiny fraction of the voting public.

    As for desperation Brandon, you're just about the only one on here who's posts are ALWAYS dripping with desperation to always, always, always....portray Olbermann in a negative if your life depended on it!....does it?

    Me....I just like picking at your obvious deperation.

    Keith Olbermann is the greatest journalist known to mankind, all hail Keith and his Taint

    Isn't "24" on Fox. I think that programs does pretty well too.

    We need some "ho" stuff. Or some more pics of Katy Turd. Thats when things get hoppin' least it wakes Cecelia from her drunken stupor.

    As for desperation Brandon, you're just about the only one on here who's posts are ALWAYS dripping with desperation to always, always, always....portray Olbermann in a negative if your life depended on it!....does it

    WE hear at Olbermann Watch, who have some intelligence, dont need to be desperate at portraying Olbermann in a negative light,

    Fact remains dingus, you by your incessant rantings and willingness to never leave this board, your lies about your personal life, only serve to portray the truth about the kind of idiot who is a fan of Olberman, a shut in lewser lost in his own despair who thinks hes a big man because he found a place where he can act like hes king of the jungle, when in fact he reveals himself to be a puny puny man every day

    You are just sad now

    Mike says:

    "Benson referred to "MSNBC" network as a whole as a "fringe" network, not Countdown. THAT is the precise argument I responded to."

    OK, Mike so are you saying that MSLSD is mainstream but Olbermann is not ? Or do you think MSLSD and Olbermann are both mainstream?

    Amercian Heritage Dictionary defines "mainstream" as follows:

    "the prevailing current of thought , influence or activity"

    Now, you may think that calling for Bush's resignation is reasonable, but it certainly is not "mainstream". You said nothing about Olbermann's advocacy of the wackjob theory that the 2000 vote in Ohio was stolen, so I assume that you don't seriously challenge the notion that Olby is out of the "mainstream" on that. And as for the Tillman "assassination" matter, Olby would not have allowed such theories to be discussed on his show without challenge if he did not believe they were plausible. Again, this is nutter terroritory and if I wished to spend more time on this, I could come up with many more recent examples that show that Olby is simply a shill for the unhinged far left fringe.

    And MSNBC is mainstream? Hey, they gave Olby a multi year extension worth multiple millions. If you endorse this kind of stuff, you can hardly be heard to say you don't really believe it yourself.

    "WE hear (sp) at Olbermann watch, who have some intelligence (see 2nd word), don't need to be desperate (see personal lies about me below) in portraying Olbermann in a negative light,"

    "Fact remains dingus (name calling used to disquise inability to make a coherent argument), you by your incessant ranting (hypocrisy - a ranter calling someone a ranter) and willingness to never leave this board (A lie - I often 'leave' this board for days at a time), your lies about your personal life (another outright lie from someone who knowsnothing of my personal life), only serve to portray the truth (how can cowardly and anonymous lies portray the truth?) about the kind of idiot (another name called to mask inability to argue a coherent point) who is a fan of Olbermann (another lie, I'm not really a 'fan' of anybody, including Olbermann), a shut in lewser (sp- and another outright and absurd lie) lost in his own dispair (yet another outright lie - I'm about as 'happy' as they come) who thinks he's a big man (another lie) because he found a place where hes king of the jungle (this is no 'jungle', and I HARDLY feel like a 'king'), when in fact he reveals himself to be a puny, puny man every day (actually I'm of average size and quite well liked and respected in the real world)."

    "you are just sad now." (In reality, I'm quite contented and fullfilled,

    All of the above from a pathetic SNIVELING COWARD who doesn't have the BALLS to post with a name from which he would be forced to back his own words. The very same sniveling coward who has made it his self described mission to live on this board and harass and lie about another poster, even as he derides me for "living on this board".

    No Hank, I didn't call Olbermann mainstream....I've never done that.

    MSNBC take as a whole however, is very mainstream.

    As for "endorsing this kind of stuff", Fox does it all the time on several News shows, so why not?

    Ohhh Mikey Mikey Mikey,

    I post here as Mike is a Turd....there's nothing to hide behind. If you take offense to that, boo hoo.

    I love when you call me on sp's, it gives you a chance to show how smart you really are. Ha Lew ew ew......ser ser ser, hahahaha

    You can call me a coward, I call you an idiot whose opinion i wouldnt wipe your ass with, there's my opinion

    Funny enough, I dont post until I see you 9000000 times in the room, which as much Mike as you like to tell the world your a captain of industry, I call bs on you, I think your a shut in who is an Olbermann fan who has to get momma to hold them there wires together for the cable to come in in the mobile home

    I love you Mike, Post forever, and continue to prove me correct

    "Funny enough, I don't post until I see you 9000000 in the room"..... obviously a lie.

    "which as much Mike as you like to tall the world your (sp) a captain of industry".....another outright lie....I've never said anything even close.

    "I thin your a shut in"....who gives a damn what lies you believe. Even if I were a shut in... so what! Do you have something against shut-ins, jerk?

    "YOu can call me a coward,"...the difference between what I have called you, and what you have called that I you actually ARE a sniveling coward.

    Miscreants like you actually make Olbermann look long as you aren't on his side, so keep posting...coward.

    Miscreants like me, hmmmmmm ok

    Ok Mike re-write history, you never post in here and you never come here and live in here and post at 3am in the morning, i know your a computer savvy captain of industry power monger whose on his computer all day and this is just a diversion

    And you don't name call, your a flower power peace loving activist who likes to hold hands and sing with people for peace

    And you actually ARE a housebound internet addicted shut in, living at home with mom upstairs, waiting on the check so you can go buy you some smokes and a tallboy from the piggly wiggly

    Ha I make Olbermann look good, you make Olbermann look good with his picture hanging on your wall on your side of the trailer

    Your keen intellect which wounds me from time to time fails to pick up the fact that I have nothing against shut ins at all, I do have something against shut ins like you who come here and spread bullshit about yourself all over these boards in some sick attempt to make your life seem important

    You sir, are everything that is wrong with Al Gore's internet.....where people come to lie and talk themselves into things they are not

    'No Hank, I didn't call Olbermann mainstream"

    Well, we can agree on something!

    All you olbyloons thinking Countdown was gonna lead into football, not gonna happen, the 6pm hour goes to the local news outlets, the 630p goes to the nightly news outlets, then comes the 60 min pregame show from 7p-8p

    So you turn NBC on at 8, turn it off around 930, turn it back on at 945, then there you go

    Hey turd, instead of continuing to "spread Bullshit" all over this board, how about taking time to back up even ONE of your inane lies up with facts:

    1) - Show me WHERE I ever called myself a "captain of industry", or even anything close?

    2) - Show me WHERE I posted even a SINGLE lie about myself on this board? The only reason I have EVER brought up my personal circumstances on this board is to attack false stereotypes or incorrect assertions in which I have personal experience to the contrary.

    Turd, to me, you're nothing but an annoying insect, a sniveling cowardly one at that. I know nerds like you. You wouldn't have the guts to say anything close to the things you say on this board to someone in person....yet you come here and flame out under the safety and anonimity of your computer.

    You may hate Keith Olbermann, .... and he has his faults, .... but he is a virtual hero next to the likes of a low life coward such as yourself.

    Ha, he is a hero of yours says it all
    Post away Mike, Post deep into the night, I on the other hand, have had enough of you
    Your in deep deep despair and the whole world knows it

    Sad, little twit of a man

    Hey turd, instead of continuing to "spread Bullshit" all over this board, how about taking time to back up even ONE of your inane lies up with facts:

    Posted by: Mike at August 29, 2007 6:05 PM

    Was it ok when you, aap/why and clucker/philby/rudy were doing the same thing to me? Kinda hypocritical to ask proof from someone else when you engaged in the same idiocy many times, isn't it? Should I refresh your selective memory? You and your cohorts claimed I said "I hate out troops" and claimed I said "not enough of them have died." Remember that, mike? Still can't back that up, can ya?

    Royal King, we speak your name.......
    You go boyyyyyy.......speak the truth

    He's just the most epic bullshitter here, and he has the gaul to claim otherwise, so lost, so so lost

    I love this board, I just can't stand his epic pompous bullshit he spews here, so self serving, such in the end bshit

    Im sure I will be skeward now, and Its cool, but that guys is just so lost, so sad and lost

    "Was it OK when you, aap/why and clucker/philby/rudy were doing the same thing to me?"

    Well Jeff, we can talk about how you hate the troops as soon as you own up to the many times you LIED about me posting as others.

    Why is it automatically assumed that if I disagree with you, or Mike, or if I hate Olbermann, that makes me a right winger?

    That, is just not so, you can continue to think it, but the problem with this country is everyone gets painted into a corner if they disagree.....I happen to think Gwb is the worst president this country has ever had, however in 2004, chose not to vote for what I thought were 2 evils

    I also dont need to be corrected as Mike likes to do, Mike thinks he's the keeper of the flame when it comes to SP'S or thoughts in a thread,....Olbermann is a hero to Mike otherwise he wouldnt live here in the manner he does

    Skewer away, but Mike just pontificates to the point where I call bshit on pretty much everything he says, no one is that full of themselves


    "Actually Turd, Mike said Olbermann was a hero compared to you. That could be said of virtually anyone compared to you"

    Way to paraphrase for those imbiciles unwilling or incapable of making such distinctions.

    Goodnight Mike, Kiss your Keith poster goodnight before Mom turns the lights out for you

    Love those Olbytards

    I would assume if "Countdown" had gotten a major ratings bump from the Sunday night performance on the mother ship, it would have been shouted by MSNBC and Olbyfans from the highest mountaintops by now. Any word yet how the weeknight ratings have been now that enlightened NFL fans from across America know of Keith's newscasting prowess?

    I guess it is a good thing you can find such a satisfying release in trashing . . .

    Posted by: Clucker at August 29, 2007 6:53 PM

    turn those words back on yourself, homeboy and fill in whoever you plan on trashing next

    No ratings info yet on either Monday or Tuesday night from TVN, primary pusher of the KO is a success ratings theory. Something tells me all that "exposure" on primetime haven't paid off for Bathtub Boy on his little cable program (the third rated program in its time slot for August!).

    I wish I understood what makes you RRWR's so obsessed with Olbermann. A diversion from the Occupation, the crumbling infrastructure, the Katrina anniversary, the faltering economy, the rampant sexual deviancy, the ineptitude of the Administration? I guess it is a good thing you can find such a satisfying release in trashing a medicore television personality.

    Posted by: Clucker at August 29, 2007 6:53 PM

    You can talk about the events of the day sans Olbermann obsession or commentary and there are plenty of "RRWR"s (whatever the hell that means) for you to blast.

    Yer welcome...

    From what I'm seeing Olbermann's ratings have improved. He's gone from the .4 of last year, to a .6.

    He's still behind O'Reilly, who looks to have had a surge in ratings as well, but he's gained significantly on CNN.

    I would think it would only make sense for MSNBC to be a bit happy about that.

    Well Jeff, we can talk about how you hate the troops as soon as you own up to the many times you LIED about me posting as others.

    Posted by: Mike at August 29, 2007 6:56 PM

    Run along, kiddie.

    Actually, they do Benson, .... it's called "the Big Three" - NBC, ABC, & CBS, which all garner FAR higher News ratings than anything on cable, including your beloved Fox 'fringe' network.

    okay, not defending fox news, but this one of the funniest thing i've ever read.

    In related news, all other networks and channels combined get more viewers than American Idol. Translation? America hates American Idol.

    You're not an RRWR. A bit too thoughful and not too big an ideologue.
    Posted by: Clucker at August 29, 2007 9:22 PM

    Whatever Clucker, but Bob Cox is far less an ideologue than you or me.

    "OK, not defending Fox News, but this is one of the funniest things I've ever read"

    Haven't been reading much, huh?

    Haven't been reading much, huh?

    You are so hot right now.

    "you are so hot right now"

    Down boy! name isn't Larry Craig.

    For Clucker, my fellow Catholic:

    Speaking of reading, you may be interested in reviewing the following. I need to. I thought of several responses I wanted to make to someone above and thought better of it.

    Jacques Maritain Center: Catechism of the Summa Theologica
    University of Notre Dame


    Sharon, I used the URL (?) you provided but the site is so complex I couldn't reference the particular theme you mentioned.

    Your post really piqued my interest because I think it may address some of my own thoughts of late.

    A la Monsieur Capon's characterization I am BLEATING for help.:)


    Down boy! name isn't Larry Craig.

    i'd never be that coy with you.

    A la Monsieur Capon's characterization I am BLEATING for help again.:)

    I have been wanting to ask what 'pwns' or as I think I've seen it sometimes as 'pwnds'.



    Sorry, that was indeed a poor link. The best way to get to what I was reading is to google this:

    sins of speech Jacques Maritain Center: Catechism of the Summa Theologica

    and then use the cache function so that you get some highlights.

    On MSNBC right now is oneof the most fascinating interviews I have ever seen. It is with Jeffrey Dahmer and his father (a bit with his mother later). He speaks about religion at soem point, but not in a way that excuses anything he did. He does not come across as arrogant or whining or even frightening. Please don't take me for a weirdo myself. I have always been interested in serial killers and their motivation.

    Mike saying that Keith Olbermann represents the center is just comical. I don't know why Mike continues to defend such a biased and hypocritical propagandist like Keith.


    Somebody here asked about pwned (I had seen that often on the Jawa Report) and I was also curious. I probably am off a bit in the explanation but it has to do with a game called Halo. I guess people can play it interactively. We have a copy of it and it is not done with internet access so I am not sure about that. Maybe people just discuss it online. Anyway, players of the game were typing about "owning" while engaged and the "p" is next to the "o" so that the typo pwned became a buzz word. It sort of reminds me of a Seinfeld episode when one of the characters was eating a candy bar with a fork and it caught on around the city. That is not exactly the same idea, but it came to mind for me.

    I don't know why Mike continues to defend such a biased and hypocritical propagandist like Keith.

    Posted by: James at August 29, 2007 11:11 PM

    I do, peas in a pod. Only difference, one has a comedy show (for now), one stuffs envelopes. Both lie on a regular basis, both believe their own lies.

    I get ahead of myself when I type. I should just let someone who knows first hand of the origin of "pwned" explain.


    I think it seems acceptable to point out poor journalistic standards to educate people who rely on a particular source for information. I have never felt compelled to discuss Olbermann's personal life, his looks, anything of that nature. But I have been drawn in to speech with which I am uncomfortable.

    I think many here are out of touch with the average person's lifestyle. People do not have the time, energy to investigate news stories as they should. It is not necessarily apathy. I will relate the story of a very good friend that actually takes into account several issues reflective of today.

    I met "Y" while pursuing an advanced degree. He and I became friends. I then met "X," his wife, and she and I became the best of friends. The two of them married and had three children. One day, my friend "X" calls me with this news: she discovered evidence that he was (and is) gay. A terrible mess ensued and continues to this day. They are divorced, he lives with his gay lover and she works 12 plus hour shifts as a nurse trying to juggle everything. (She is getting remarried; Mr. "X" doesn't want the new guy to interact with the kids and is difficult, custody issues, etc.). She hears headlines on the radio. That is about it for her news. She is a practicing Catholic like me, but knows little of politics.

    The same scenario that happened to my friend, happened to another friend of hers as well (married with kids, husband comes out), although that person's husband was cross-dressing. Another friend of mine who lives in a different city altogether works with 3 or 4 (I forget which number) in the same situation.

    Most people that I know are just trying to get from point a to point b, although not all of them in dramatic situations. I am the only person in my circle of acquaintances who follows politics closely (and I don't even follow it as well as some here).

    Enough of my blabbering.


    The harm to the person goes beyond (although includes) reputation. It goes to injuring the person's psyche, don't you think? I think God knew the internet would be created. Of course it is a life's work. I know that I am accountable for my speech, and I have no doubt that includes typed speech of an anonymous nature. Not only the speech but the time spent placing someone in a negative light.

    but I doubt God ever gave or has ever given the internet much thought.

    I guess internet kiddy porn means little to God? I don't want to get into a row here.

    Matthew 10:29

    "Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father." (I don't know which translation this is).

    Isn't the internet a little more detailed than a sparrow?

    than the death of a sparrow


    Your 11:55 comment is not really what you implied in your previous comment, which had to do with use of the internet, not the internet itself. If we were talking about gossip on the telephone, it is pretty obvious we are not discussing God's interest in the physical object of the phone and how it works, although God is involved in even the minutest details of life.

    if we "are" talking

    Clucker says:

    "I wish I understood what makes you RRWR's so obsessed with Olbermann. A diversion from the Occupation, the crumbling infrastructure, the Katrina anniversary . . . "blah, blah and on to several other left wing talking points.

    Or maybe the the true diversion is your attempt to talk about something other than Olbermann at this site dedicated to him.

    I don't know if you hate God or don't believe. God has a direct will and a permissive will. I don't have the answers as to why some people suffer extraordinarily more than others. We all die. If it were true that God doesn't exist (I believe He does), then you won't ever have proof that you were right. You just won't exist anymore.

    I wonder what the spin will be on this:

    BAGHDAD (AP) - Shiite cleric Muqtada al-Sadr has ordered a six-month suspension of activities by his Mahdi Army militia in order to reorganize the force, and it will no longer attack U.S. and coalition troops, aides said Wednesday.

    I have no idea what "Kid Nation" is about, but I read this comment in response to another commenter concerning the show:

    As a former active duty military member who deployed for combat operations during this war, stop comparing civilians to military members.

    Lest you forget, fellow soldiers, that we do what we do so our fellow Americans DO NOT have to endure the things we experience, the sights we see, the actions we must take.

    The day we veterans return and start to 'look down' on Americans who do not have it in them to endure such trials and situations that we went through is the day that we will start to be resented. Discipline, fellas.

    Posted by airborne | August 29, 2007 5:23 AM

    If it were true that God doesn't exist (I believe He does), then you won't ever have proof that you were right. You just won't exist anymore.

    Posted by: Sharon at August 30, 2007 12:45 AM

    ...And YOU won't have any proof you were wrong.

    But I will die content, in my ignorance.

    If you are right and there is no God, what do I lose? I have had the opportunity to have a good marriage, children, experiences. If you are wrong, then you have spent a lifetime denying your Creator. I'll just end it there. I don't want to argue about it. You have free will to believe as you please.

    Sure He is....Right.
    Like he's involved in a starving child life with hundreds of flies buzzing around his head.
    Or when a child is beaten half to death by a drunk parent.
    God's right there. Watching and permitting it to happen.

    Posted by: at August 30, 2007 12:23 AM

    Absolutely God is permitting that to happen.

    In order for free will to exist in humans they must function on a plane where there are natural consequences. In order to easily walk down a hill, you've had to struggle to get up it in the first place. If there is bounty because there was rain, there must be scarcity when there is not rain.

    If God was constantly intervening, stopping the car before it hit the other car, catching you when you tripped over the immovable object, etc... what you'd have is a world where no human choice or physical law of nature mattered.

    Cecelia knows as much about God as she knows about politics.

    No one alive really knows anything about God, it's just the jokers and the thieves that think they do.

    Posted by: at August 30, 2007 1:57 AM

    Does that include the jokers who know so much as to say he doesn't exist? :D

    Yes indeedy !

    Our miniscule little brains cannot fathom the idea of God.

    Many just like to think they do.

    Posted by: at August 30, 2007 2:22 AM

    You can't logically argue that God is unfathomable in the sense that "unfathomable" means that it is beyond the imagination that he exists. You've already imagined his existence (the idea of God) by judging him to be "unfathomable".

    Objective reality is that men have imagined God and his existence throughout human history and therefore it is not unfathomable to imagine the idea of God.

    When it comes to the "miniscule brains" part, I'm sure all atheists and agnostics would say, "Speak for yourself"....

    You can spend countless unproductive hours trying to "fathom " God.

    I'll just live my life the best way I can and not get bogged down with something no one will never really know about until they die.....maybe.

    Posted by: at August 30, 2007 2:48 AM

    In living your life as best you can, it's good to let others do the same....unlike the anonyloon who felt the need to challenge Sharon for her belief and to call others "jokers and thieves" for theirs'....

    Live and let live is my motto. If you want to pretend you think you know God, knock yourself out.

    Posted by: at August 30, 2007 3:13 AM

    And if you want to pretend that if God exists it would be impossible to discern anything about him from the world he made, then you do the same...

    Sharon, thanks, I will follow your directions. I don't know what a cache function is but I'll do my best to figure it out.

    Not only did I find it but I also found out what a cache function is. Thanks for finding that portion of the Apologia and sharing it. It was well worth the effort.



    A miracle has occurred. I actually helped someone with the computer : ) Catch you later.

    No one alive really knows anything about God, it's just the jokers and the thieves that think they do.

    Posted by: at August 30, 2007 1:57 AM

    One classy spolbyloon, you are. I'll bet you're just a dream to hang out with.....

    It is abundantly clear, Pea Brain, that a faith committment is not a liberal/conservative, Democratic/Republican issue, and it certainly has nothing to do with whether someone is an Olbermann fan or someone who simply envies his success. Your response is one of the more disgusting you have ever made, and that is saying a great, great deal.

    Posted by: Clucker at August 30, 2007 2:20 PM

    Oh, yeah....RK's statement "I'll bet you're just a dream to hang out with..." is the sort of rhetoric that puts Bill O'Liely to shame.....

    Monsieur Capon, RK makes a valid sarcastic comment that Chicken Blogger is a class act and must be a great companion because of at least one of his comments, that those who believe they have some knowledge of God are "jokers and thieves".

    In this ongoing discussion Chicken Blogger has demonstrated that he does indeed lack class. He has also demonstrated an eager willingness to display scorn and contempt on those he disagrees with and these are not desirable traits in a companion.

    You, however, is the one to go off on a tangent accusing RK of disgusting comments that only you have brought up.

    Has your apparent obsession with RK reached the point that you see his name and like one of Pavlov's dogs salivate and run to the keyboard to heap scorn on what you somehow omnisciently know he really meant as opposed to what he actually said?



    Has your apparent obsession with RK reached the point that you see his name and like one of Pavlov's dogs salivate and run to the keyboard to heap scorn on what you somehow omnisciently know he really meant as opposed to what he actually said?


    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at August 30, 2007 2:58 PM

    I love a good rhetorical question when I see one!....

    However, the answer is no. What makes him salivate is a prop.

    RK is Yorick's skull to Capon's HAMlet....

    Clucker/philby/rudy's above comments condoning someone calling a Christian or Christians "jokers and thieves" is equivalent to her and mike accusing me of saying that I "hate our troops" and "not enough of them have died." Which I never did nor could they ever come up with anything resembling those words. They are one keystroke away from wishing death upon someone, as their cohort, o'lielly does on a regular basis.

    I know Janet and Cecelia said the same thing in essence. Since I was the target of cluckers slanderous comments, I felt the need to respond, as well. Ty, C and J. :)

    I have noticed that Monsieur Capon is exceptionally diligent in responding to comments by some posters whether addressed to him or not..

    We shall see.


    Doesn't change anything, patsy. Your implications are clear.

    I suggest you go back and reread Hamlet an listen to a bit of Dylan. With some more exposure to the arts, you might understand my comment.

    Pea Brain, of course, is incapable of understanding anything. So, spare me your condescending pontification.

    Posted by: Clucker at August 30, 2007 8:50 PM

    Perhaps you should go back and reread the RK's comment that caused your erroneous response in the first place...

    Well, Chicken Shit Blogger, why didn't you say so right off the bat.

    If Bob Dylan said it it has to be the absolute truth for all time and could never be meant as an insult.

    I must try to find "The Word According to Bob Dylan" so that the mysteries of time and the universe will finally become clear to me.


    Cecelia, Monsieur Capon apparently does not have the wherewithal to review his work and admit that he may have over reacted by reflex.

    He could have chosen the option to remain silent on the issue and let Patsy and Chicken Shit Blogger defend him.

    Instead he does everything but acknowledge that he responded to a figment of his imagination rather than anything RK said.



    Now, I am going to clip my nose hairs.

    Is that OK with you, Cecelia.

    Posted by: Clucker at August 30, 2007 9:10 PM

    Oh please do! As Samson's crown of hair was key to his musculature, I think the hardness of your cranial bones may lie in your nose hair.

    Cecelia, it must be very heavy not only carrying Bush's water but RK's too.

    Posted by: at August 30, 2007 9:08 PM

    Well, you may find it pleasant to relieve yourself all over anyone who gets in your way, but it's hardly extraordinary behavior or effort to refrain....

    Cecelia, Monsieur Capon apparently does not have the wherewithal to review his work and admit that he may have over reacted by reflex.

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at August 30, 2007 9:24 PM

    Grammie, just today Capon has used the teachings of his church as both an indictment against a Republican and as a means of absolution for a Democrat.... as inculcated doctrine against the faith of a Democrat and as as prejudice that can be shelved when it comes to that same faith in a Democrat.

    The Monsieur Capon Clucker's middle name is not Insight...

    (BTW-- It is Fauntleroy)

    To think mike once said that Mrs. Philby/rudy ramirez, now known as "clucker" was the "most intelligent person that ever posted here." The brain is a terrible thing to waist........

    Cecelia, have you ever seen the early 1930's Little Lord Fauntleroy?

    In one scene a teen Mickey Rooney actually shouts out "Cheese it! It's the Cops"!

    On a more pertinent note I notice that Patsy has continued to behave as a fire horse. Any glimpse of RK startles him into a headlong gallop to vent his spleen.


    Wrong, again, Cecelia. I used the Church's teachings as a means to explain my unfortunate predisposition towards Mormons in public life. Subtlety escapes Mrs. Hawkins and you. Perhaps, that is why you believe my comment to Pea Brain was reflexive. You fail to understand the small-mindedness, mean-spritedness that underlies Pea Brain's comment.

    More importantly, did you see the Yankees last night? What a great game!

    What a wondrous epiphany. I feel much better.

    Posted by: Clucker at August 30, 2007 10:01 PM

    Oh, you have a great way of using the Catholic Church's predisposition's against the behavior of political opponents while simultaneously shelving them and/or pleading absolution for similar members of your own party.

    That you fail to recognize it as such and think of as being an untidy...but really quite small and ....well...realistic... excuse for having indulged yourself in such whims.

    That this whim has led to harsh judgment and harsh rhetoric for some and grace for others, is an evidence of small-mindedness and callous mean-spiritedness that you haven't yet grasped

    Could you possibly translate this gibberish, Cecelia? I think I might like to understand it.

    Posted by: Clucker at August 30, 2007 10:45 PM

    You're a partisan bigot and think nothing of it, because you don't really deem Republicans (whether "sexual deviants" or just everyday folks) to deserve the treatment you'd afford members of your own party.

    You seem pretty well-versed in Catholicism, Cecelia. When I converted, I had no idea at first that there is practically a schism in the Church: those who follow the teachings and those who pick and choose what is convenient. There is so much misunderstanding it is hard to know where to even begin. The "anons" and others here aren't really interested in an actual discussion; they just want a reaction.

    Cecelia and Sharon, my two cents for what it is worth. I wrote this and refreshed and saw Sharon's comment before posting.

    Cecelia, you are far more patient and forgiving than I am. In fact, I place you and Sharon on about the same plane with the caveat that Sharon is the sweet one. I hope you take offense because I wouldn't.

    But eventually the most ardent of peacemakers should recognize when they are not dealing with honest brokers.

    You may have a different take on this but I think with some posters we are dealing with what is more an agent provocateur rather than a legitimate opponent with a different opinion.


    I hope it is obvious that I meant that "you don't take offense.


    You seem pretty well-versed in Catholicism, Cecelia. When I converted, I had no idea at first that there is practically a schism in the Church: those who follow the teachings and those who pick and choose what is convenient. There is so much misunderstanding it is hard to know where to even begin. The "anons" and others here aren't really interested in an actual discussion; they just want a reaction.

    Posted by: Sharon at August 30, 2007 11:23 PM

    Thanks, Sharon, but I'm really don't know much about Catholicism at all. However, I do know something about the tenets of Christianity in general, which are part and parcel of Catholicism, and I do know when they are applied in an open-hearted manner. Especially when the offender is some self-satisfied brain-dead quack who waxes eloquent on those other folks...who are oh so legalistic, intolerant, and hypocritical....

    You may have a different take on this but I think with some posters we are dealing with what is more an agent provocateur rather than a legitimate opponent with a different opinion.


    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at August 30, 2007 11:27 PM

    No offense taken whatsoever, Grammie. You're right, of course.

    However, as to your other statement, I'm not sure in what sense or who you mean by the term "agent provocateur".

    I've often wished there was a way to share my email address with both you and Sharon, without publishing it here. Any ideas?

    Jeff 9:51 PM: "To think mike once said that Mrs. Philby/Rudy Ramirez was the "most intelligent person that ever posted here. The brain is a terrible thing to waste...."

    Jeff, what is it exactly that motivates you to post a provocation like this out of the blue?

    First, off you got the quote wrong. Yes I did compliment the poster known as Mrs. Philby, but I never said she was the "most intelligent person that ever posted on this blog". If telling outright lies on this blog were a crime, you would be in maximum security for life.

    And yes, I'm definitely on record of complimenting the intelligence of several posters on this blog, even including some on your side...but you are definitely not one of them.

    Until I see a post from Clucker in which he/she affirms that she posted as 'Mrs. Philby", you'll have to excuse me if I don't take your word for that, because your record of picking out anonymous and name changing posters is dismal at best.

    And speaking of the "Rudy Ramirez" character Jeff....that character displayed a level of literacy, partisanship, and rationality only marginally inferior to your own.

    Hello angels,

    We are rarely here at the same time. You read my thoughts, Cecelia, about being able to communicate outside of this board. I started to comment on this once but never posted it. My idea was not workable: I was wishing I were more knowledgeable about creating a site that would require registration. Actually, my husband started a web page for me to talk about home schooling/faith but I didn't follow through. It has a comment section, but I would not want to advertise it here. Maybe Robert Cox could generously serve as a third party to allow e-mail exchange? I tried to e-mail him using the address here, but it wasn't valid. Brandon probably knows how to e-mail him.


    Bob seems to be gone, so I'm not sure when or if he would open his mail anytime soon.

    What about Brandon via his address? He seems more accessible.

    Oops, I thought Brandon's name on the masthead was link to an address.

    Here's Johnny publicly posted address at his site:

    How about we ask him to hook us up?


    I'm going to email Johnny and give it a try.

    If I hear from you guys-- GREAT!


    Grammie & Cecelia,

    I think I'll stick to this thread because I keep forgetting where I last commented and then have to read the usual verbiage that makes my head spin. I just saw a quick topic on google and wondered the same thing: what exactly did Craig do that was illegal? I heard the police tape on Olbermann and didn't hear any evidence about an offer of money. In my limited knowledge of sting operations, I always saw the cops bust in after the offer of money in exchange for a sexual act. If Craig was just trying to pick up on someone, where is the crime? I don't condone what he did.

    Thanks for following through! I think my little one has an upset tummy. I am often a night owl so I'll check again here if I can, or hopefully, see a message in my e-mail box.

    (I also want to see Mad Men tonight) : )

    The police tape mentioned nothing of the Pee Wee Herman lewd behavior. It was all about "signals" for solicitation but there was never mention of money.

    Cecelia, I meant what in popular parlance today would probably be a troll.

    No doubt my use of the term was too strong here. But it does convey the connotation of the term.

    I should have left the 'agent' off. An 'agent provocateur' is more an undercover agent who incites the wild passions of the orginization that they have infiltrated.

    A 'provocateur' is an agitator or troublemaker. I do believe we are infested with some of them

    I too have thought I would like to exchange emails sometimes. I have tried to send a few with the link (?) provided here to no avail.

    Oh, dear! When our provocateurs root this out we need to head for bomb shelters forthwith. :)


    Cecelia and Sharon, I am registered at NewsBusters.

    I don't post often but they do have a function (?) that allows people to communicate through e-mail without divulging their address.

    I think that would be a great addition to OW for those on either side of the aisle.



    I'll check it out tomorrow (It is commercial time during Mad Men-wasting my time again, but I'm hooked)

    Sharon, I am hooked on, of all things, Meerkat Manor on the APL channel. I can't wait for the third year to begin. I love the new promo:

    My daughters are sleeping around.

    My neighbors are trying to evict me.

    And I'm pregnant again.

    Not the same channel but I also love "The Deadliest Catch". Those crabs taste so much better now that I know what it takes to get them on my plate.


    I have seen Meerkat Manor also, not often, because I only do late night television. Sponge Bob, Jimmy Neutron rule at our house (I prefer Jimmy).

    The posters at that site are hard core haters.

    You fit right in.

    Posted by: at August 31, 2007 12:25 AM

    How long have you been a member, there? You're the poster child of haters, here. Wouldn't expect you to say anything about daily kos or huffpo, the true hate sites.

    Sharon, I call your Sponge Bob and Jimmy Neutron and raise you a few Power Rangers' movies.

    My grandsons have thankfully moved on. Their parents wouldn't allow the VCRs in their houses much less play them and I had to ooh and aah my way through them.

    I do like Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends.

    The very best though are the Veggie Tales. They grab the imagination while also teaching our children valuable lessons. I never tire of that experience with them and the conversations that naturally flow.


    How do you know I don't know who you are? It's funny how you just criticised Janet for "hating" and you reply with your "hateful" post. Classic.


    Just getting ready to call it a night. We have most of the Veggie Tales tapes. They are quite clever, and I love the the themes that run throughout and references to other stories incorporated. I used to go to a dealership for service and there was a copy of an old Power Rangers tape from the 80's that my son watched over and over. When the fist one was born, there was no chocolate allowed, and I tried to get him to watch the Baby Einstein series, but he showed no interest. Then I had two more, . . . .

    One more thought on Veggie Tales:
    I did find a subtle anti-Catholic idea in the intermission of "God Wants Me to Forgive Them?" (Between The Grapes of Wrath and the Gilligan's Island spoof. I'll see if you can figure it out . . . (the forgive-0-matic device)

    Chicken Blogger, I was astounded that you said "You don't even know who the fuck I am.
    What is wrong with you?"

    You are absolutely correct that no one knows "who the fuck" you are. But the onus is on YOU.

    I have put my name out there for all to see while you hide behind the Chicken Blogger no name. Puts me in mind of the No Name City in the movie.

    Of course you can slither away and come back as a new born virgin at any time. It is the essence of being a Chicken Blogger, isn't it?

    But for once why don't you step up to the plate and document your accusation:

    "You're the poster child of haters, here."

    Or could it be that as one who slithers you don't have anything other than your venom?

    Just asking. :)


    When did this blog turn into the "Witches of Eastwick, or should I say, "Wenches of Olbermanwatch". Jesus, I hope Sharon, Cecelia & Grammie are able to "hook up" privately...After reading their nonsense, I feel like I'm in some right-wing Oprah show. yuck...


    To which anon am I referring?

    Leave if you don't like the nonsense.

    Men have long solicited female prostitutes and anonymous female strangers of the nonprofessional sort, for sex in public-- including public bathrooms, parked cars, parks, etc.

    Posted by: Cecelia at August 30, 2007 2:30 PM

    At least now we know how Cecelia met her husband...

    Posted by: at August 30, 2007 5:42 PM

    LOL anon of 12:29. Who needs to come here to find manhood? Hey Laura/Ted, please start on one of your tirades against these eunich anons. Give them something to spew on and on about.

    Men have long solicited female prostitutes and anonymous female strangers of the nonprofessional sort, for sex in public-- including public bathrooms, parked cars, parks, etc.

    Posted by: Cecelia at August 30, 2007 2:30 PM

    At least now we know how Cecelia met her husband...

    Posted by: at August 30, 2007 5:42 PM

    Posted by: OW comment of the month at August 31, 2007 12:29 PM

    and met him...and met him....and met him.... and met him.... :D

    Do you have a citation for this, Cecelia?
    Posted by: Clucker at August 31, 2007 1:25 PM

    No. We were never caught.


    Well, part of the fun is the risk. The apprehension is not so great, although the handcuffs set the mind thinking.

    Posted by: Clucker at August 31, 2007 1:32 PM

    Well....instead of a hostage, perhaps you'll find a wiling participant, at least once before you die.

    Well....instead of a hostage, perhaps you'll find a wiling participant, at least once before you die.

    Posted by: Cecelia at August 31, 2007 1:41 PM

    I picture philby/clucker/rudy as one of those little red dots on the map of registered sex offenders. Very strange a person claims to be a "man" once posted as "Mrs. R. Philby." I'm guessing a cross dresser, also? AAP/somanyothersevenhe'slosttrack calls Laura a "tranny" for the same reason. Not a peep about someone on his dark side of the moon.

    Your glasses are fogged up, Cecelia. This is Clucker, not Pea Brain. Besides, I was hoping to wear the cuffs, not her.

    Posted by: Clucker at August 31, 2007 1:44 PM

    I'm sure the police have often obliged you.

    If Marine Col. Jeffrey Chessani is exonerated of the charges against him he may haul Pennsylvania Democratic Congressman John Murtha, into court, suing him for libel, one of his lawyers told

    Brian Rooney, one of the attorneys at Michigan's Thomas More Law Center representing Lt. Col. Jeffrey Chessani and a former Marine captain himself told that his client, who is alleged to have failed to fully investigate the killing of 24 Iraqis in Haditha November, 2005 and not reporting an alleged Law of War violation, may follow the example of another Haditha Marine, SSgt. Frank Wuterich who is suing Murtha for libel.

    Murtha set off a media firestorm last year when even before the matter had been fully investigated he charged members of Kilo Company, 3rd Bn, 1st Marine Regiment had gone on a rampage and slaughtered 24 Iraqi civilians in cold blood to avenge the killing of a member of their unit in an IED explosion. He also said that the incident occurred in the absence of any firefight, although it occurred as part of a day-long battle with insurgent ambushers that wounded 11 Marines.

    Rooney told NewsMax.Com that his group that, if as they expect, Chessani is cleared just as one officer, Capt. Randy Stone and two enlisted men have either been exonerated of had a hearing officer recommend exoneration they will seek to hold Murtha accountable.

    According to Brian Rooney , SSgt. Frank Wuterich -- one of the other defendants in the investigation now awaiting a hearing on murder charges -- is already suing Murtha for those libelous comments. He insists that Murtha should be held accountable for taking the word of Iraqi insurgents and calling the Marines "cold-blooded murderers."

    patsy, what does your 2:22 hate filled tirade have to do with Mrs. Philby claiming to be a man????

    It wasn't a "swipe," patsy. Just an observation of your hypocrisy. You dish it out with ease, but, have a hard time taking it. Why is that?

    4:48, A classic example of what spolbyloons call "debating."

    ^ jeez, this shit is a hoot!

    4:58, excuse me.

    ^ I meant to type site, this SITE is a hoot! Hey, my Freudian slip is showing....

    patsy, I never "tried to get you banned." You got yourself banned, little one, with your trash mouth. You obviously have no respect for Bob letting you back because you started calling him the same names which got you banned in the first place 2 or 3 days later. I once commented on that after he let you back that's it. Run along, cry baby....

    Clucker, the only one I hear whining is you, shut up, please.

    ^ too F*ckin funny, clucker. you gave him a head start with the commas though...

    The rats can't abandon this sinking ship fast enough !

    Posted by: Why don't you think at August 31, 2007 7:16 PM

    I figured you would have the news of Tony Snow copy and pasted long before you finally did. Called him a "rat" and everything. Keep showing us what a classless pile of dung you are.

    Did you hear? TV Newser is no claiming that Olbermann almost beat O'Reilly in the key demo. No mention that O'Reilly was on vacation. They concluded that this was because Olbermann got all that Football exposure on Sunday night. And they came to this great conclusion after 2 nights worth of ratings info.