I think all Keith wants is to have a homosexual affair with Bill. He is completely obsessed with him.

Like a news version of Bravo's Tim Gunn.

Excellent work, Ted. Thanks for the night off!

ESchatz, your recap was great tonight. I really enjoyed it.

In fact I enjoyed it so much that I plan on tuning in to the rerun later on.

Not to worry. I put the four other TVs on Fox News whenever I put MSNBC on. :) In fact, I'm considering doing it on those rare times when I watch NBC.

Grammie

"...do us all a favor.. Kill yourself."

Posted by: Bill O'lielly at September 25, 2007 10:07 PM

From a pedophile and social outcast who has to live on the fringes of society, you sure are obsessed with suicide.

Practice what you preach, you sorry piece of shit.

Olbermann again defending Ahmadinejad.
No criticism of Ahmadinejad's UN speech.
That means he supports it!
Olbermann should just admitt he's an Iranian shrill!

Olbermann is the ultimate in douchebaggery. After failure after failure after failure, this douchebag finally found his calling in chumming the waters for the moveon.org loons.

Thanks to Olbermann Watch for outing this pansy.

mille99,
He's also a supporter of Ahmadineajd!
That's what I dislike!

Joker, do you even realize how little power Ahmadinejad actually has within his own country?

You need to stop obsessing over this relatively pwerless nutcase. People like you give him far more power and influence than he would otherwise have.

Mike,
Ahmadinejad is a spokeaman for the Ayatollahs.
Keith supports Iran and is Anti-Israel.
Ok I'll be clearer,
Olbermann supports the Ayatollahs!

"Olbermann supports the Ayatollahs!"

And Joker, as long as you keep posting stupid stuff like that, I'll continue to believe you're an idiot, .... and I suspect I'm not alone.

Mike,
If that's the case why does Olbermann always support Iran?

Are there ANY anti-terrorism measures that Keith DOES support?

Because Joker, Olbermann DOESN'T "support" Iran. I've watched his show fairly regularly for the last year, and I haven't seen even one instance of his "supporting" Iran.

That said, you're crazy logic will never convince me otherwise.

I hate what the leadership of Iran stands for EVERY bit as much as you do, but if I were anchoring a news show, I will guarantee you that you would accuse ME of "supporting" Iran just as you do Keith Olbermann.

and I suspect I'm not alone.

Posted by: Mike at September 25, 2007 11:44 PM

Don't worry, mike. You always have patsy to defend you! LOL! Philby's back but, too cowardly to use a name.

Please, people. Hold your applause.

I'm just checking in to see how the nursery is doing.
And it looks like the same cry-babies are doing their part.
God love ya for it!

You know, I was just posting on NAACP.org, and I must say those spear-chucker jungle monkeys were surprisingly civil. They even offered to dry-clean my Klan hood for me without hollering, as we all know they do in movie theaters, 'Motherfucker!"

Now, if you'll excuse me, I've got another bottle or two of Oxycontin to throw back before I kick some puppies and blame those damned liberals for it.

Keep balling your eyes out, my precious viewers! Bye!

I wondered who had been in my Tuesday night stash.

"Are there ANY terrorism measures that Keith DOES support"

James, I'm glad you asked that question.

I suspect that Keith, like me, strongly believes in the famous saying "those who would give up liberty for security deserves neither".

I also suspect that Keith, like me, believes that when we start curtailing our own liberty and freedom out of fear, the terrorists have already started to win.

I think Keith would say, just like me, that even at it's worst, the threat of terrorism from ragtag terrorists is miniscule compared to the everyday threats we all already accept and face day in and day out.

It pains me personally to see so many Americans seemingly cringe in apparent fear because several planes hit some buildings 6 years ago, and something similar COULD happen again.

I suspect that Keith, like me, believes Islamic Terorist could NEVER defeat us, unless we LET them do it psychologically.

If America ceases to be America because of something as relatively insignificant as Islamic Terrorists, then they will have succeeded in making us defeat ourselves.

I thought the America I've served, and lived in for 56 years was better than that!

Bill O'Reilly Impersonator,

The term is "jungle bunnies". As former management for the KKK I know all the lingo.

It's a abominable when American Democracy is being attacked on two fronts, one from the outside and from within.

"Don't worry, mike, you will always have patsy to defend you! LOL!"

That's real funny Jeff, because I distinctly recall you accusing "patsy" of calling me a "turd" at 6:38 PM on the September 24th thread?

Sen. Robert Byrd, you're flat out wrong.

Of course you would be, you stupid Democrat liberal.
Don't you know I am the highest authority of everything I say?

Do the people, on both sides, who decry lost liberty and freedom due to "oppressive" anti-terror legislation realize that all laws curtail our freedom? There's thousands of laws on the books that restrict my personal freedom, that we've had on the books for decades, but now all of a sudden we're losing liberty or freedom? That Ben Franklin quote is just meaningless to me...we will not ever have absolute freedom, because that would be anarchy.

And I believe the proper way to order tea in New York City is, "Motherfucker, may I PLEASE have some more Iced Tea?"

Well said,

I still have trouble myself making the distinction between freedom and anarchy. I also have trouble figuring out what a "Nation of Law" means too. We should just recycle that old piece of parchment the Constitution is written on, becuase those old men didn't know what they were talking about.

Now, if you want to debate me, meet me outside in the parking lot for a round of fisticuffs.

"those who would give up liberty for security deserves neither".

The actual quote is:

"Those who would give up ESSENTIAL Liberty to purchase a Little TEMPORARY Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

Grammie

"I still have trouble myself making the distinction between freedom and anarchy"

It sounds like you also might have trouble with concepts like "the golden rule" and common sense as well.

Mike,

Don't be such a dingbat. You haven't lost a single right. You have more freedom than most Americans, from 1776 to the present, have ever had. Do you believe that America has ceased to be America? If so, you are a silly man.

You have so many more rights and freedoms than any American had 50 years ago.

If you murder somebody you can hire an expensive shyster and you will probably get away with it.
You can post on this site that you hope George W Bush will get shot and nobody will do anything to you about it.
You can go to the library and view internet porn and nobody will stop you.

Yet there you are, worried that America is no longer America. Your ancestors must be rolling over in their graves over what has become of you. You don't stand for anything, and you don't believe in anything. All of that has been replaced by unhingement over Bush. You are your unhingement over Bush. It's who you are, and it is what you are. It has replaced whatever you were before.

Some comic relief perhaps:

Anyone here ever hear The Onions not-ready-for-radio piece with a faux Garrison Keillor's narrating the L.A. Riots in The Prairie Home tradition?

In light of O'Reilly's inspiration in Harlem, I highly recommend finding and giving it a listen, if only to hear the Keillor character say "Motherfucker!"

Mike,

You stay right where you are.
I'm coming over there to pop you in the nose!

Yes Grammie, you've made that correction before, and your correction 'essentially' changes nothing, to say nothing of the fact that your president obviously wishes to make his "temporary" changes permanent.

O'Reilly's "Key Demo" at his 11 pm ET showing was almost as high as his prime time showing. Keith should have made CNN WPITW for trying to steal his act. CNN used a Media Matters hit piece to go after O'Reilly today.

Rico! How DARE you call me "SILLY"!

You get your ass over here so me, you and Zell can mix it up a little!

On a mroe serious note, I'm glad it doesn't bother you that so many Americans are allowing themselves to be consumed with irrational fear of the terrorist boogyman.

Rico,

Cool!

So, they've reinstated Habeas Corpus!
When did that happen?
That one's pretty basic, and I think it's been around long than 50 years.

To follow up Rico, my wife and all mt fiends are going to be pretty surprised when I break it to them that I "don't stand for anything".

As for my so called "Bush derangement", you can rest assured that if Hillary or Obama turns out, policy wise, to be a clone of Bush, I'll develop "Hillary derangement syndrome" as well....or maybe I'll just give up on the idea of any sanity ever returning to American politics.

Mike,

I'll take on the both of you, you and Rico.
And what kind of name is that, "Rico?"
That alone deserves a pop on the nose!

That's real funny Jeff, because I distinctly recall you accusing "patsy" of calling me a "turd" at 6:38 PM on the September 24th thread?

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 12:17 AM

That wasn't me, mike. It was patsy namejacking. He jacked anyone's name that has ever handed him his ass.(everyone but you) Just ask him. Wait. He'll just lie, as he and you always do.

You know, you don't have to own what they try to sell to you.

Check out Mr. Anonymous philosopher here.
I'll pop you in the nose too!

How do you know I am a man?

"How do you know I am a man?"

Good question, Ms Philosopher.
Ultimately, you should be asking yourself that very same question.

While we're at it, please stop tapping your toe under my bathroom stall, will ya?

Jeff: "That wasn't me mike"

Whether you realize it or not, you're STILL accusing my "defender" of calling me a "turd".

Think before you post please, Jeff....hee, hee, hee!

Oops...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/054196.php

Yep, that's how I want my country run!

This Jane Harmon character is pathetic. She has leaked intelligence information before. That's why she is not Chairman of the Intelligence Committee. She probably started or spread the rumor about a terror threat at the capitol.

She portrays the true character of a Dumb Blonde. And Olbyloon believes her.

This Jane Harmon character is pathetic. She has leaked intelligence information before. That's why she is not Chairman of the Intelligence Committee. She probably started or spread the rumor about a terror threat at the capitol.

She portrays the true character of a Dumb Blonde. And Olbyloon believes her.

"This Jane Harmon character is pathetic."

But fortunately for her, not nearly as pathetic as the neocons.

Liberal Irony

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards, who made his fortune as a trial lawyer, says attorneys should have to show their medical malpractice cases have merit before filing them!
He also said attorneys with a history of frivolous suits should be barred from filing new cases.

Right Jeff.....John Edward's cases medical malpractice cases had merit....that's how he made his fortune.

Duh.....

It's funny how Media Matters who is funded by a noted Anti-Semite uses an old Nazi trick to try and smear O'Reilly. Then the left wing media and the storm troopers on this blog eat it up. They all run to defend A-Jad on a nightly basis. MSDNC, the same network that employed Don Imus and has "chicken and waffles" Olbermann, uses this hit piece. O'Reilly will have on Al the king of the race baiters who apparently isn't too appalled by his statement. Keep going after your straw man while we all laugh at you.

Right Jeff.....John Edward's cases medical malpractice cases had merit....that's how he made his fortune.

Duh.....

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 1:08 AM

Posted by a blind partisan who constantly cries he can't afford med insurance. Oh, the irony.

cee will have a field day with that "defense" of Edwards. Can't wait.

You misspelled 'scarecrow'

"But fortunately for her, not nearly as pathetic as the neocons."

Posted by: Mike

We're still in Iraq and I hear the War-Drums beating. Who has the Purse?

"Posted by a blind partisan who constantly cries he can't afford med insurance. Oh the irony."

OK, you pathetic liar, show me even ONE post where I said I "couldn't afford med insurance."

"Who has the Purse?'

Depends. You referring to the funds for the sanctioned military, or the private military forces?

Juan: "We're still in Iraq and I hear the war drums beating."

Yes, I know. In the REAL world, right doesn't always prevail and the bad guys often win.

"Posted by a blind partisan who constantly cries he can't afford med insurance. Oh the irony."

You go, class warrior!

At $10k to $12k a year, my premiums seem inflated.

Right Jeff.....John Edward's cases medical malpractice cases had merit....that's how he made his fortune.

Duh.....

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 1:08 AM

No, he made his living chasing ambulances and putting doctors out of business you idiot!

Ouch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHHLsFxIkx4

Talk about straw men and red herrings. Yummy.

Hey 1:43 AM,

Maybe you should consider moving to a part of the country where the premiums are lower, where life is a little cheaper.

"No, he made his living chasing ambulances and putting doctors out of business you idiot."

Do you think that by calling me an "idiot", it somehow validates your point?

I can assure you that John Edwards never chased an ambulance.

at: "Depends. You referring to the funds for the sanctioned military, or the private military forces?"

The "Voluntary" Military that is kicking a** in Iraq. Must be true. No MSM car bombing stories and pictures.

Mike: "Yes, I know. In the REAL world, right doesn't always prevail and the bad guys often win."

This is the Real world as I'm not dreaming. We are the "Right", Bad Guys are losing.

Sure hope 'Where's my blowdryer?' isn't standing ankle-deep in that tub of propaganda he's been bathing in.

Apparently the "Right" guys use torture tactics like theri enemies. Juan, time to wake up now.

Right Jeff.....John Edward's cases medical malpractice cases had merit....that's how he made his fortune.

Duh.....

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 1:08 AM

Yeah, and he also structured his LLC, John R Edwards to pay him his share of the settlement as dividends as opposed to income to avoid payroll taxes. But, being the know it all, you probably already knew that. He also dissolved the LLC on 12-31-1998 so that he would not have to report it on his financial disclosures as a US Senator. Two America’s alright, his and the rest of you dumb sops. By the way, why don’t ask some of the doctors who practice in NC how the feel about your “Slip and fall lawyer hero”? Based on some of your posts, I’m not sure if you posses all the necessities to research this so I took the courtesy of providing you with the link. It’s no wonder your hero is a second rate jock sniffer posing as a newsman. Are you interested in buying a bridge?

http://www.secretary.state.nc.us/corporations/Filings.aspx?PItemId=4582911

Juan, you ever talk to any of the Iraqi vets, the ones whose mission was completed a couple years ago, and now wondering what we're doing over there now?

Hey, at 1:58 AM

"Apparently the "Right" guys use torture tactics like theri enemies. Juan, time to wake up now."

That "talking point" is out of style now. The new one is "the military is broken."

NOT -

Keith likes to use the word "mister"
But denied that he has a sister
Olby lied about that
From his mouth he did shat
His girlfriend may give him a blister

wow, I hadn't realized incorporating was illegal, or unethical, in NC. that was truly enlightening. No wonder you think W & Company is doing an admirable job.

Funny thing about "talking points" ... some of them are true, but you might want to check your sources.

I can assure you that John Edwards never chased an ambulance.

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 1:48 AM

This idiot claims to speak for Olbermann and Edwards! Wow! How come you aren't running some far leftists campaign? Any proof Edwards never chased an ambulance? Don't answer. That's a rhetorical question.

LOL!

At least Senator Good Hair knows how to use the law, and not simply foresake it at the Constitutional level.

far leftist? When did Noam Chomsky enter the race?

Olby's wig, mike wouldn't dare follow or read that link you posted. His partisan blinders won't allow him to do so. He claims to have an "open mind," oh the hypocrisy just ooozes from his posts.

"by the way, why don't you ask some of the doctors who practice in NC how the feel about your "Slip and fall lawyer hero?"

I already have. I live right here in NC, about 25 miles from Edward's Chapel Hill villa....and before you get TOO carried away with your hatred and anger, I never called the guy my 'hero'....I just took exception to your political characterization of him as an "ambulance chaser".

2:09,

Speaking of Constitutional Law, any here post the reinstatement of Habeas Corpus, as suggested by Rico earlier? Just checking.

wow, I hadn't realized incorporating was illegal, or unethical, in NC. that was truly enlightening. No wonder you think W & Company is doing an admirable job.

Posted by: at September 26, 2007 2:05 AM

It's not dummkopf and I never said otherwise. It's just a classic case of hypocrisy from the “slip and fall” candidate. Just like his employment by Fortress investments and his subsequent criticism of sub-prime lenders.

Japan's new PM Fukuda should make for some hilarious press conferences at the WH.

at: about "talking points"

I have good sources. You might double-check yours.

I'm going to dream now.

Nice Nazi accent you got there, Wig.

I'll take the "Slip and Fall" candidate over the "Can't find an oil well in Texas" Elvis impersonator any day.

OK, you pathetic liar, show me even ONE post where I said I "couldn't afford med insurance."

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 1:39 AM

The proof is in the pudding, asswipe. You balled all last week about healthcare insurance to cee, you forgot, already?

2:18,

Pssssssssst!.... That Elvis dude ain't running this go 'round, unless he rewrites that part of the Constitution too.

In the meantime, some folks refre to W. as a Lame ... F... uh, Duck.

"by the way, why don't you ask some of the doctors who practice in NC how the feel about your "Slip and fall lawyer hero?"

I already have. I live right here in NC, about 25 miles from Edward's Chapel Hill villa....and before you get TOO carried away with your hatred and anger, I never called the guy my 'hero'....I just took exception to your political characterization of him as an "ambulance chaser".

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 2:12 AM

I also live in NC and it's not hatred. It's just pointing out his hypocrisy and your lack of any substantive knowledge on the subject. And when you say villa, you are referring to the largest home in Orange County, NC.

Good old Mr. Two Americas.

http://gis.co.orange.nc.us/land/queries/account.asp?PIN=9768257495

Summary | GIS Map
| Buildings
| Documents
| Property Addresses
| Prior Owners

PIN#: 9768257495 TMBL#: 7.115..10 TRACT#: 733451
Property Owner:
EDWARDS JOHN
& ELIZABETH Owner's Mailing Address:
P O BOX 1598 %LAUREN GREEN
CARY
NC, 27512-1598 Legal Description:
N/S SR 1005

Administrative Assessed Values Miscellaneous Information
Tax Account#: 274181 Assessed Land Size: A102.14 Buildings Assessed: 7
PIN Status: A Land Value: $1151645
Assessors Status: A Total Use Value: $0
Rate Code: 04 Buildings Value: $4282086
Rate Code Information (Revenue Dept.)
Total Valuation: $5433731

"refre?"

Frist the Nazi reference, and now we're posting in French?!

Speaking of Constitutional Law, any here post the reinstatement of Habeas Corpus, as suggested by Rico earlier? Just checking.

Posted by: at September 26, 2007 2:12 AM

Move to Iran, you learn all about habeas corpus real fast and how good you got it here with Bush as President.

Bill Frist ain't here, but it ought to be. Just about as factual.

Also, with his Good Hair and wealth, why aren't the rest of you Republicans loving Big Ed?

"Bill Frist ain't here, but it ought to be."

it?

Now, he may be an over-qualified idiotic sack of meat, but he's still a man. You of all people should know that.

Nice Nazi accent you got there, Wig.

I'll take the "Slip and Fall" candidate over the "Can't find an oil well in Texas" Elvis impersonator any day.

Posted by: at September 26, 2007 2:18 AM

I'm not a Nazi. But your hero Olby is a kraut. He was even chastised by the ADL for the mock Sieg Heil salute. He also apologized for saying that Ken Star reminded him of Himmler.

http://www.adl.org/media_watch/tv/20060728-MSNBC.htm

Keith Olbermann
Countdown with Keith Olbermann
MSNBC
July 28, 2006

Dear Mr. Olbermann,
We are deeply dismayed by your ongoing use of the Nazi "Sieg Heil" salute, both on your program and in public appearances -- including the recent Television Critics Association press tour -- while holding up a mask of Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly.
While we understand that your aim is to entertain your audience by taking pot shots at Mr. O'Reilly, your repeated use of the Nazi salute has resulted in many complaints from our constituents, including Holocaust survivors and their families who find the use of this gesture offensive and repugnant in any context.
The Nazi salute is more than just a remnant of history, but serves as a calling card for modern-day neo-Nazis and white supremacists. We believe that the use of gestures and imagery associated with the Nazis – even in jest – only serves to trivialize the Holocaust and denigrate the memory of the six million Jews and others who died as a result of Hitler's Final Solution.
As a respected and well-known media personality, your actions have consequences and can set a standard for others to emulate. We are especially concerned that young people viewing your program might take their cues from your free use of the "Sieg Heil" salute.
In light of these concerns, we hope that you will reconsider your use of the Nazi salute in the future.

Sincerely,
The Anti-Defamation League

Looks like mike just got his ass handed to him, again..........

"Move to Iran, you learn all about habeas corpus real fast and how good you got it here with Bush as President."

Wow. That was a poorly-conceived rebuttal.
Sure hope you never end up on list of terrorist suspects, wrongfully of course.
At the present time, our countries are no different in that arena.

"the proof is in the pudding asswipe. You balled all week about healthcare insurance to Cee. You forgot, already?"

No dumphkoff, I didn't "forgot already". I never said I couldn't afford insurance myself, as you alluded....I stated my firm conviction that the US healthcare system is hopelesly broken and needs a major overhaul so EVERYBODY is covered.

Yes I know Jeff...In your selfish right wing world, only those who are personally affected by a particular injustice would complain about it. But fortunately for humanity, SOME people actually believe in right over wrong, regardless of whether that wrong affects them personally or not. Yes, I understand that you can't possibly understand this kind of slflessness, but it DOES exist.

As for me, I'm sure I could easily buy and sell your whole damn herd of cows, .... but then what would YOU do? And I sure as hell don't want to mess with a bunch of cows, because, given time, I might just become as dumb as you are if I did!

Thank you, 2:28.

However, I already knew that and I never claimed Olby as my hero. Nice try though.

Great post, 2:28. The olbyloons will have a hard time defending that. Not that they could or have defended anything he has ever done or said, before. I'm convinced they have these special goggles that don't allow them to see posts like that. They just act like it never happened.

"Sure hope you never end up on list of terrorist suspects, wrongfully of course."

That's just it. Without habeas corpus it's academic whether or not an incarceration was a mistake, politically motivated, etc.

But America is indeed a much weaker democracy without it.
And that we have to credit W. and his guys for lovely piece of revision. Who exactly are they protecting by removing it, really?

Yes, 2:22, I am very aware that Edward's house is the most expensive one in Orange County, and I don't begudge or have any jealousy over his success, as you seem to have.

That said, I see no hypocrisy in a rich man being an advocate for the poor. SOME folks acyually DO empathize with those less fortunate than themselves. Yes, I know you probably find that impossible to understand....but trust me, it happens!

"Great post, 2:28. The olbyloons will have a hard time defending that. Not that they could or have defended anything he has ever done or said, before. I'm convinced they have these special goggles that don't allow them to see posts like that. They just act like it never happened."

Another brilliant belch.

But at least 2:28's post referred to Olby, which IIR correctly is the focus of this site. :)

As for me, I'm sure I could easily buy and sell your whole damn herd of cows, .... but then what would YOU do? And I sure as hell don't want to mess with a bunch of cows, because, given time, I might just become as dumb as you are if I did!

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 2:32 AM

What was it you said 20 times about Brandon and his "3 cars?" Oh, the hypocrisy. No, you couldn't afford my cattle or even half of them. $1.20 per pound? You better have about 3/4 mil sittin' around. LOL!

"the proof is in the pudding asswipe. You balled all week about healthcare insurance to Cee. You forgot, already?"

No dumphkoff, I didn't "forgot already". I never said I couldn't afford insurance myself, as you alluded....I stated my firm conviction that the US healthcare system is hopelesly broken and needs a major overhaul so EVERYBODY is covered.

Yes I know Jeff...In your selfish right wing world, only those who are personally affected by a particular injustice would complain about it. But fortunately for humanity, SOME people actually believe in right over wrong, regardless of whether that wrong affects them personally or not. Yes, I understand that you can't possibly understand this kind of slflessness, but it DOES exist.

As for me, I'm sure I could easily buy and sell your whole damn herd of cows, .... but then what would YOU do? And I sure as hell don't want to mess with a bunch of cows, because, given time, I might just become as dumb as you are if I did!

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 2:32 AM

Are we to infer this hyperbole as being profound?

"Are we to infer this hyperbole as being profound?"

That should be the subtitle of this entire site.

Jeff: "What was it you said 20 times about Brandon and his "3 cars".

Yes, I chastised Brandon for bragging about his alledged wealth as it it were some kind of a badge of honor, which it isn't.....But it was hardly "20 times".

You got a problem with that dumbkoff?

That said, I see no hypocrisy in a rich man being an advocate for the poor. SOME folks acyually DO empathize with those less fortunate than themselves. Yes, I know you probably find that impossible to understand....but trust me, it happens!

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 2:38 AM

Of course you see no hypocrisy, he has a (d) after his name. Shocker.

Are we to infer this hyperbole as being profound?"

That should be the subtitle of this entire site.

Posted by: at September 26, 2007 2:43 AM

Great, here's the link. Buy a domain and start your own site Professor Hawking.

http://www.register.com/

You got a problem with that dumbkoff?

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 2:47 AM

Just pointing out our daily dose of hypocrisy from you. No problem.

Jeff: "Of course you see no hypocrisy, he has a (d) after his name, shocker."

You remember some things I say but you conveniently forget others....like for instance, how I actually voted for GW Bush, with an (r) after his name in the year 2000. Of course, at that time, he had just finished a campagne in which he vowed to be AGAINST the very kind of nation building he is attempting to do in Iraq.

You have made it clear many times that you have no problem with lies like this, ... but I sure as hell do!

(d) doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

Yes, 2:22, I am very aware that Edward's house is the most expensive one in Orange County, and I don't begudge or have any jealousy over his success, as you seem to have.

That said, I see no hypocrisy in a rich man being an advocate for the poor. SOME folks acyually DO empathize with those less fortunate than themselves. Yes, I know you probably find that impossible to understand....but trust me, it happens!

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 2:38 AM

I don't begrudge him either. I'm just tired of the poor mouth routine. Oh, by the way were you familiar with the transaction concerning the sale of his DC home?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/18/AR2007011802077.html

Identity of Edwards Home's Buyers Veiled
Assisted-Living Magnates in SEC Probe Paid Candidate $5.2 Million
By John Solomon and Lois Romano
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, January 19, 2007; A01
When former North Carolina senator and Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards finally succeeded last month in selling his imposing Georgetown mansion for $5.2 million after it had languished on the market, the names of the buyers were not publicly disclosed.
At the time, Edwards's spokeswoman told reporters that the house had been sold to an unidentified corporation. In reality, the buyers were Paul and Terry Klaassen, according to several sources and confirmed by Edwards's spokeswoman yesterday.
The wealthy founders of the nation's largest assisted-living housing chain for seniors, the Klaassens are currently cooperating with a government inquiry in connection with accounting practices and stock options exercised by them and other company insiders. They are also the focus of legal complaints by some of the same labor unions whose support Edwards has been assiduously courting for his presidential bid.
The grand 18th-century house had lingered on Washington's slowing real estate market for more than 18 months. The Edwardses paid $3.8 million in 2002 for the six-bedroom Federal-style house once owned by socialite Polly Fritchey, and they did substantial renovations. The final sale price was half a million dollars below the asking price but still $1.4 million more than the Edwardses paid four years earlier.
Edwards closed the deal in late December -- the night before he announced his presidential candidacy. Edwards aide Jennifer Palmieri said he left the details to real estate agent W. Ted Gossett. Gossett declined to reveal the Klaassens' identity but said the buyer decided to purchase the mansion as a "surprise Christmas gift" for his wife.
Edwards was told the Klaassens' name "in passing" around the time the offer came in on Dec. 18, Palmieri said last night, but he did not investigate further and had no knowledge of their business until a reporter's inquiry Wednesday. Palmieri said Edwards had not delved into the Klaassens' background: "They left it to be done at arm's length, real estate agent to real estate agent."
Asked about the allegations lodged against the Klaassens by their union stockholders, she added, "He believes all CEOs should follow the law, should protect their shareholders and should protect their workers, and he expects that will happen in this case as well."
The Klaassens declined to comment on the sale.
The paperwork for the sale was handled in such a way that it kept the Klaassens' names off the public deed documents, which show that the buyer was P Street LLC. That limited-liability corporation was created Dec. 22, public records show. Palmieri said the Klaassens used it to purchase the house. Such corporations are frequently created by large real estate buyers to protect themselves from lawsuits by shielding buyers' other personal assets.
Ellen S. Miller, head of the nonpartisan Sunlight Foundation, which studies public officials' real estate deals, said presidential candidates should go the extra mile by determining who they are doing business with, especially when "a substantial amount of cash is changing hands on the eve of his campaign."
The house sale comes at a time when the Securities and Exchange Commission has opened an inquiry into allegations that the Klaassens, founders of Sunrise Senior Living, and other company insiders cashed $32 million in stock options before Sunrise announced in May an accounting problem that caused its stock to dip.
SEC insider-trading notifications show that the Klaassens withdrew $20 million from their company in the year before they bought the house. Some of that money was taken out the week before the company announced an accounting review in May.
A letter to the board from the Service Employees International Union states that after Sunrise announced the accounting change and filing delay in May the stock value plummeted 34 percent and that the cumulative impact of company restatements will reduce net income for 2003 through 2005 by 26 percent.
The Klaassens sold 600,000 shares, worth about $20 million, in 12 transactions from Dec. 19, 2005, to May 2, 2006 -- the last sales coming one week before the company's accounting troubles came to light and the company's stock plunged, according to public records confirmed by Sunrise sources.
Several stockholders in Sunrise, including two large unions whose support Edwards has courted, have pressed for action.
The 1.8 million-worker SEIU alleges its pension fund lost significant money in its investment in Sunrise, and the union asked for an independent investigator to take over the internal probe of the stock trades and accounting practices. Pension funds for the United Food and Commercial Workers Union filed a class-action lawsuit against Sunrise this week, seeking to recover losses from the stock's fall.
"What went on there is totally inappropriate. It is very clear that very important insiders traded in this stock before it [the accounting problems] became known publicly and before the stock took a hit," said Stephen Abrecht, the SEIU's pension chief. "The pattern of stock-option grants seen here pretty much follows the pattern we've seen in other companies that were hit by corporate-governance issues."
Abrecht said he was unaware of the Edwards home deal and would reserve judgment on it.
Sunrise officials declined to address the house sale, saying the deal was a personal matter of the Klaassens, and said any insider trades were conducted according to securities rules. "We are cooperating fully with the SEC," company spokeswoman Meghan Lublin said yesterday.
Paul Klaassen started Sunrise in the Virginia suburbs in 1981, saying he was inspired by his visits as a child to his grandparents' nursing home in the Netherlands to try to create a more pleasant living opportunity for seniors. Today, Sunrise operates 436 senior communities in more than 37 states as well as Canada, Britain and Germany.
Before public service, Edwards was a successful trial lawyer who in 2003 reported assets between $14 million and $45 million.
Edwards has run into controversy once before on a house sale. In 2002, he reached a deal to sell a Washington house to a U.S. lobbyist for Saudi Arabia and then refused to give back the lobbyist's $100,000 earnest money when the deal collapsed. At the time of the sale, the Saudis were trying to improve their image in Congress after the Sept. 11 attacks, and Edwards was serving on the Senate intelligence committee.
Edwards said he did not know the buyer was a Saudi lobbyist until after the deal had fallen through.

You forgot to remind us you left the Republican party because Rush got caught with a few pills. Oh, the loyalty.

"Great, here's the link. Buy a domain and start your own site Professor Hawking.

http://www.register.com/"

Silly conservative, thinking here's only one source for a enabling a common process. btw, I prefer MC Hawking. That site:

http://www.mchawking.com/

Be forewarned, the overwhelming reference to science may offend your conservative sensibilities.

You remember some things I say but you conveniently forget others....like for instance, how I actually voted for GW Bush, with an (r) after his name in the year 2000.

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 2:55 AM

Is this your defense? It proves you're a flip flopper, that's about it.

Great, here's the link. Buy a domain and start your own site Professor Hawking.

http://www.register.com/

Posted by: at September 26, 2007 2:49 AM

LOL! Another Olbyloon exposed.

"You forgot to remind us you left the Republican party because Rush got caught with a few pills. Oh, the loyalty."

No dumkoph, I simply VOTED Republican occasionally, and yes, was a REGISTERED Republican (only because you have to choose something), but I have personally never given a happy damn about party afilliation, and America would be one hell of a lot better off if no one else did either.

I care only about issues....and honesty....and GW Bush has proven himself to be a liar, as well as an incompetent.

As for Rush, I stopped listening to him after he was caught as a drug user...after listening to countless diatribes from him about how druggies should be crucified.

But I'm sure YOU have no problem with that kind of hypocrisy, do you Jeff?

"LOL! Another Olbyloon exposed."

LOL! Another stupid grunt from an idiot.
How many paint chips did you eat as a kid?

How does an invitation to register a site prove my preference for Olby or not?

Were those paint chips at least tasty?

Jeff: "Is this your defense. It proves you're a flip flopper. Thats about it."

No, it proves I care about putting my country over party, rather than putting party over my country, as you obviously do...and that is exactly what makes YOU un-american....as well as the troop hater who has voiced more than once that you don't think 4000 deaths is significant at all because after all, there are actually 1.3 million service members.

Technically, 4000 to 1.3 million of anything isn't statistically significant. However, I'll allow the person who posted that statement to make their own arguments.

Kinda ironic (to put it kindly) how "Every life is sacred" with this bunch, until after birth.

Or until there's a photo-op of a states' rights trampling by 'wingers in Congress (hello, Bill Frist!) to "save" a terminally brain-dead woman in Florida.

"The key to social change in this country seems fairly straightforward: wait for conservatives to have more life experience." - TPM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/053928.php

"Or until there's a photo-op of a states' rights trampling by 'wingers in Congress (hello, Bill Frist!) to "save" a terminally brain-dead woman in Florida."

Sure were a bunch of non-terminally brain-dead people hit by Katrina who could've benefited from such heroically quick action. Guess they hadn't eaten in Harlem lately either.

"Or until there's a photo-op of a states' rights trampling by 'wingers in Congress (hello, Bill Frist!) to "save" a terminally brain-dead woman in Florida."

Sure were a bunch of previously non-terminal people hit by Katrina who could've benefited from such heroically quick action. Guess they hadn't eaten in Harlem lately either.

I'm assuming the latter post was the one you intended to publish. :)

Proof their is God, may I present exhibit A:

Pisses, moans, whines and pukes O'Lielly:

"Amazing... How come the whole world is out to get BillDo ? Hmm,,, So it is not racist to think that people are going to be yelling " motherfucker " get me an Ice tea... you know exactly what the pathetic pile of shit had to say.. Please BillDo,, do us all a favor.. Kill yourself."

END QUOTE

Read this clowns post tlling people to kill themselves and he's going to piss on their grave when their dead.

1. O'Lielly is already dead. He's a walking zombie.

2. It's comical reading posts from a loser who can;t even afford to fill his tank ripping highly successful men.

3. Listening to highly successful and very intelligent men talk about thier Faith just makes losers like O'Lielly look like.....well.......um..........a Fucking Loser.

Jaun Williams, not hardly even considered near center liberal, defended O'Reilly dumbass.

I would tell you to kill yourself O'Lielly but you are already dead, bwahahahahahahaha. I could say I will piss on your grave but that would mean pissing on your feet.

When you are down to nothing, God is up to something. Wake up O'Lielly, AAP.............

"More advice to Democrats from political analyst and operative Olbermann. He asks why they don't run on a kind of libertarian platform."

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Olbermann actually suggested this? HRC, Obama, Edwards.....run like libertarians?

Oh my. I almost spit out my coffee!

Especially after reading Mike's tripe about Edwards' credibility as an advocate for the poor despite being rich, Olbermann looking for libertatrians in the democratic party is like looking for virgins at wannawipe's (AAP's) next warm tequilla and stale nacho's party.

Oh my, the contradictions are too numerous to chronicle today! Too much work to do for now.

Sorry Mike Edwards was no humanitarian....
"Edward's fee, was one-third of the settlement plus expenses...." Standard yet excessive for a bleeding heart liberal.

This guy settled these multimillion dollar cases as a way to make money and nothing else... and now you Democrats spin this ambulance chasing (just an expression) as evidence of his bleeding heart? He settled a case fo a brain dead child for 4.25 million dollars and took over half the money for his fees. As a true liberal he should have suffered with ONLY a million dollars....

I don't begrudge his making money, but surely don't except this spin that he was always looking out for the little guy, unless, "the little guy" was his pet name for his wallet.

sorry- "accept" rather than "except".
NOTE TO SELF: proof BEFORE you post!

With regard to the Edwards' trial lawyer worldview vs. physician's worldview....I will use the most recent wisdom from Chairman Ann.....

"But the Democratic Party treats doctors like they're Klan members. They wail about how much doctors are paid and celebrate the trial lawyers who do absolutely nothing to make society better, but swoop in and steal from the most valuable members of society.

"Maybe doctors could get the Democrats to like them if they started suing their patients. It's only a matter of time before the best and brightest students forget about medical school and go to law school instead. How long can a society based on suing the productive last?

"You can make 30 times as much money as doctors by becoming a trial lawyer suing doctors. You need no skills, no superior board scores, no decade of training and no sleepless residency. But you must have the morals of a drug dealer. (And the bank wire transfer number to the Democratic National Committee.)"

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By the way, recent medical school classes show Ms. Coulter to be correct....Less college students are opting for medicine and the average GPA's and MCAT scores are declining. Some Med schools are not even filling up, keeping their standards high and opting for training fewer but still qualified students.

She continues....

"The editors of The New York Times have been engaging in a spirited debate with their readers over whether doctors are wildly overpaid or just hugely overpaid. The results of this debate are available on TimeSelect, for just $49.95.

"'Many health care economists,' the Times editorialized, say the partisan wrangling over health care masks a bigger problem: 'the relatively high salaries paid to American doctors.'

"Citing the Rand Corp., the Times noted that doctors in the U.S. 'earn two to three times as much as they do in other industrialized countries.' American doctors earn about $200,000 to $300,000 a year, while European doctors make $60,000 to $120,000.

"In college, my roommate was in the chemistry lab Friday and Saturday nights while I was dancing on tables at the Chapter House. A few years later, she was working 20-hour days as a resident at Mount Sinai doing liver transplants while I was frequenting popular Upper East Side drinking establishments. She was going to Johns Hopkins for yet more medical training while I was skiing and following the Grateful Dead. Now she vacations in places like Rwanda and Darfur with Doctors Without Borders while I'm going to Paris.

"(Has anyone else noticed the nonexistence of a charitable organization known as 'Lawyers Without Borders'?)

"She makes $380 for an emergency appendectomy, or one-ten-thousandth of what John Edwards made suing doctors like her, and one-fourth of what John Edwards' hairdresser makes for a single shag cut. Edwards made $30 million bringing nonsense lawsuits based on junk science against doctors. To defend themselves from parasites like Edwards, doctors now pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in medical malpractice insurance every year.

"But as the Times would note, doctors in Burkina Faso only get $25 and one goat per year. As long as we're studying the health care systems of various socialist countries, are we allowed to notice that doctors in these other countries aren't constantly being sued by bottom-feeding trial lawyers stealing one-third of the income of people performing useful work like saving lives?

'But the Democrats (and Fred Thompson) refuse to enact tort reform legislation to rein in these charlatans. After teachers and welfare recipients, the Democrats' most prized constituency is trial lawyers. The ultimate Democrat constituent would be a public schoolteacher on welfare who needed an abortion and was suing her doctor. Doctors graduate at the top of their classes at college and then spend nearly a decade in grueling work at medical schools. Most doctors don't make a dime until they're in their early 30s, just in time to start paying off their six-figure student loans by saving people's lives. They have 10 times the IQ of trial lawyers and 1,000 times the character. Yeah, let's go after those guys. On to nuns next!"

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She concludes.....

"The only sane letter on the matter, I'm happy to report, came from the charming town of New Canaan, Conn., which means that I am not the only normal person who still reads the Times. Ray Groves wrote:

"'Last week, I had the annual checkup for my 2000 Taurus. I paid $95 per hour for much needed body work. Next month, when I have my own annual physical, I expect and hope to pay a much higher rate to my primary care internist, who has spent a significant portion of his life training to achieve his position of responsibility.'"

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John Edwards and the other wealthy lawyers running for the democratic nomination have no credibility to pronounce judgement on medical professionals or to propose sweeping changes that will affect their lives and work.

But when has such truth ever stopped the leftist elite from imposing their ideology on others in the past?

Great quotes, cee. I knew you could put the screws to Edwards "I got my hedge fund and I'm for the little guy while I charge $150 thou for a speech on poverty at a college" Scissor hands.

Ann Coulter isn't an idiot; but, those who read her are:

"...George Annas, a Boston University bioethicist who had no role in the study, said he was not surprised by the findings.

Many personal injury attorneys receive a contingency fee -- meaning they get paid only if they win -- and will not go to court with a baseless lawsuit, Annas said.

"There's really no motivation to bring a frivolous lawsuit," he said. "It's not worth their time and effort."

Among the findings:

- An overwhelming number of malpractice claims -- 97 per cent -- involved a severe disability or death. Seventy-three per cent of all of the injury claims that were due to medical error were settled with a payment..."

Kind of at odds with "You can make 30 times as much money as doctors by becoming a trial lawyer suing doctors. You need no skills, no superior board scores, no decade of training and no sleepless residency. But you must have the morals of a drug dealer. (And the bank wire transfer number to the Democratic National Committee.)"

Truth always wins out over Coulter...

"Ann Coulter isn't an idiot; but, those who read her are:"

Ann Coulter is obviously a manipulator, who clearly is totally lacking in typically positive human traits such as conscience, remorse, empathy, and sympathy.

But hey, that's aparantly ONE way to get rich in America. Just ask Rush!

Good boy blindrat....the troops are terrorists and defend the trial lawyers....

You are a two fer....nice.

The next time I see my malpractice bill I will think of your nonrebuttal of what Coulter said.

cee,

Well, I realize that I'm talking to a wall here, son; but, give me an example of a frivilous malpractice suit by Edwards...

Ah yes....my favorite topic.....WAR FUNDING!?!?!?!?! (Sorry, wannawipe (AAP)style again)....

WASHINGTON (AP) - Defense Secretary Robert Gates will ask Congress Wednesday to approve nearly $190 billion for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2008, increasing initial projections by more than a third.

In remarks prepared for a Senate hearing, Gates says the extra money is necessary to buy vehicles that can protect troops against roadside bombs, refurbish equipment worn down by combat and consolidate U.S. bases in Iraq. A copy of the remarks was obtained by The Associated Press.

In that prepared testimony, Gates said, "I know that Iraq and other difficult choices America faces in the war on terror will continue to be a source of friction within the Congress, between the Congress and the president and in the wider public debate."

"Considering this, I would like to close with a word about something I know we can all agree on - the honor, courage and great sense of duty we have witnessed in our troops since September 11th," his testimony said.

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Will the leftists stand up and defund this error, this immoral MIC money-maker, this MISTAKE, this terrorist making factory? Uh Mike? Uh mental midget? Uh, blindrat? You all can start the chant now.....

"Senate Democrats will never give in, never give in, never, never, never

"never give in, never, never, never

"never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never."

Democratic Senator Harry Reid, 9/24/07

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Tinkerbell is alive, she is, she is she is!

Cut the funds!....bring the troops home now!

And this is my post today, the 1,570th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

Way to ignore my question, cee...

"give me an example of a frivilous malpractice suit by Edwards..."

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Easy. It is a documented fact that a majority of Edwards' income as a trial lawyer is from Cerebral Palsy (CP) lawsuits against OB's.....There has never been a medical study showing increasing rates of c-sections reduce the occurance of CP. Yet, lawsuits against OB's for a disease (CP) which likely has no connection to peribirth trauma or delays in c-sections continue to be brought. As a result, OB's malpractice rates are huge AND many MD's do not even practice OB and opt just to do GYN.

The trial lawyers have lots of nice statistics about "injury." The cause of the injury, especially in the case of CP, has never been scientifically proven to be because of medical error, yet the suits are brought and paid because of emotional and nonscientific reasons.

Your statstics did nothing to rebutt Coulter's easy presentation of the obscene fees lawyers like Edwards impose on the system, blindrat, while real and talented physicians are accused of getting paid too much.

You tow the leftist line well....just like the US is a terrorist nation deal yesterday.

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For those of you who don’t know, John Edwards, 2004 vice presidential nominee and presidential candidate, can talk to babies—while they are still in their mothers’ wombs. While arguing for damages against a doctor who did not perform a C-section on a child who turned out to have cerebral palsy, Edwards seemed to be projecting little Jennifer Campbell: “She said at 3 [o’clock], ‘I’m fine.’ She said at 4, ‘I’m having a little trouble, but I’m doing OK.’ At 5, she said, ‘I’m having problems.’ At 5:30, she said, ‘I need out.’ She speaks to you through me, and I have to tell you, right now—I didn’t plan to talk about this—right now, I feel her. I feel her presence. She’s inside me, and she’s talking to you.”

Way to ignore my question, cee...

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Patience, blindrat....I am working and post when I can. See 12:29AM.

cee,

You didn't give me an example, son. Just a vague reference...

Look up the word "example" and provide one...

Atta boy...

http://forums.obgyn.net/ob-gyn-l/OBGYNL.0407/0260.html

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More specifics then, blindrat. CP lawsuits cost the system billions and there is NO scientific evidence that OB's behavior is the reason....

http://www.fumento.com/fumento/edwards2007.html

"Frivolous" means without merit....and scientifically, (remember how you value science, blindrat), Edwards' claim about the cause of CP in his cases falls short....Oh but he can get around that by appealing to the emotions of juries and he did that well in the specific case I gave you (example!) of Jennifer Campbell....

"I didn’t plan to talk about this—right now, I feel her. I feel her presence. She’s inside me, and she’s talking to you."

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Go ahead and defend the merit of a laywer pretending to channel the thoughts of a 5 year-old child, blindrat. It will make you look foolish.

These CP cases like this one are frivolous and Edwards made his millions on them, blindrat. OB's are rarer now because of it.

At least Olbermann hates unions:

from the Detroit Free Press:
"On the same night, the strike wasn’t among of the top five stories on MSNBC’s “Countdown with Keith Olbermann,” but the arrival of the Halo 3 video game was. CNN’s “Anderson Cooper 360” devoted a few seconds to a strike update in a news roundup."

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070926/FEATURES01/70926038/0/NEWS03

And Ann Coulter had a very insightful quote about Edwards' income over CP when he was the VP nominee...

As a result of such lawsuits, there are now more than four times as many Caesarean sections as there were in 1970. But curiously, there has been no change in the rate of babies born with cerebral palsy. As The New York Times reported: "Studies indicate that in most cases, the disorder is caused by fetal brain injury long before labor begins." All those Caesareans have, however, increased the mother's risk of death, hemorrhage, infection, pulmonary embolism and Mendelson's syndrome.

In addition, the "little guys" Edwards claims to represent are having a lot more trouble finding doctors to deliver their babies these days as obstetricians leave the practice rather than pay malpractice insurance in excess of $100,000 a year.

In one of Edwards' silver-tongued arguments to the jury on behalf of a girl born with cerebral palsy, he claimed he was channeling the unborn baby girl, Jennifer Campbell, who was speaking to the jurors through him:

"She said at 3, 'I'm fine.' She said at 4, 'I'm having a little trouble, but I'm doing OK.' Five, she said, 'I'm having problems.' At 5:30, she said, 'I need out.'"

She's saying, "My lawyer needs a new Jaguar ... "

"She speaks to you through me and I have to tell you right now -- I didn't plan to talk about this -- right now I feel her. I feel her presence. She's inside me, and she's talking to you."

Well, tell her to pipe down, would you? I'm trying to hear the evidence in a malpractice lawsuit.

To paraphrase Oscar Wilde on the death of Little Nell, one must have a heart of stone to read this without laughing. What is this guy, a tent-show preacher? An off-the-strip Las Vegas lounge psychic couldn't get away with this routine.

Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why can't he hear those babies saying, "Let me live! Stop spraying this saline solution all over me!" Edwards must experience interference in channeling the voices of babies about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to muffle those voices.

And may we ask what the pre-born Jennifer Campbell thinks about war with Iraq? North Korea? Marginal tax rates? If Miss Cleo here is going to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, I think the voters are entitled to know that.

While making himself fabulously rich by taking a one-third cut of his multimillion-dollar verdicts coaxed out of juries with junk science and maudlin performances, Edwards has the audacity to claim, "I was more than just their lawyer; I cared about them. Their cause was my cause."

If he cared so deeply, how about keeping just 10 percent of the multimillion-dollar jury awards, rather than a third? In fact, as long as these Democrats are so eager to raise the taxes of "the rich," how about a 90 percent tax on contingency fees?

For someone who didn't care about the money, it's interesting that Edwards avoided cases in which the baby died during delivery. Evidently, jury awards average only about $500,000 when the babies die, and there is no disabled child to parade before the jury.

Edwards was one of the leading opponents of a bill in the North Carolina Legislature that would have established a fund for all babies born with cerebral palsy. So instead of all disabled babies in North Carolina being compensated equitably, only a few will win the jury lottery -- one-third of which will go to trial lawyers like Edwards, who insists he doesn't care about the money.

Despite the now-disproved junk science theory about C-sections preventing cerebral palsy that Edwards peddled in the channeling case, the jury awarded Edwards' client a record-breaking $6.5 million. This is the essence of the modern Democratic Party, polished to perfection by Bill Clinton: They are willing to insult the intelligence of 49 percent of the people if they think they can fool 51 percent of the people.

So while Michael Moore, Al Franken, George Soros, Crazy Al Gore and the rest of the characters from the climactic devil-worshipping scene in "Rosemary's Baby" provide the muscle for the Kerry campaign, Kerry picks a pretty-boy milquetoast as his running mate, narrowly edging out a puppy for the spot. Just don't ask the Democrats what they believe. Edwards' father was a millworker, and that's all you need to know.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/coulter070804.asp

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And there is my favorite, "milquetoast." I wonder where Sir Loin of Milquetoast has been lately?

cee,

Since you still haven't provided a specific case (the link had no specific case), I'll assume that you've given up, again son...

And blindrat (or any other dim leftists reading today)....just in case you decided not to read the post because Chairman Coulter wrote it....I want to repost a very nice point she made.....

"Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why can't he hear those babies saying, 'Let me live! Stop spraying this saline solution all over me!' Edwards must experience interference in channeling the voices of babies about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to muffle those voices"

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Wow....what stuff, uh leftist blindrat? And how did Mr. Edwards vote on Partial Birth Abortion legality......

Let the procedure stand!

How leftists can live with such cognitive dissonance and contradiction in their lives amazes me!

Your ball, blindrat.

a specific case? You are stupid blindrat....

Jennifer Campbell v. Pitt County Memorial Hospital

There you go....just keep trying to avoid the issue, blindrat....Edwards was an ambulance chasing trial lawyer using CP to line his pockets.

You can do your own research....I think you are capable of using google or ask.com, aren't you?

BTW....my 1:00PM post clearly gave you the example, blindrat.....

"Oh but he can get around that by appealing to the emotions of juries and he did that well in the specific case I gave you (example!) of Jennifer Campbell...."

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But again, you can't just face facts.

"Cee has, I fear, strolled out of Reasonable Road onto Goose Step Gasse. I am afraid it is one of those permanent detours."

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Yeah. Right.

Are you a medical professional dealing with the poisonous environment created by shysters like John Edwards?

Read this editorial and become informed.....

http://www.jfponline.com/Pages.asp?AID=3414

cee,

Jennifer Campbell v. Pitt County Memorial Hospital is considered a groundbreaking decision. It allows nurses to override doctor's decisions and forces hospitals to provide patients with the consequences of different options. We take these for granted, now of course...

The birth should've been caesarian due to the fact that it was footling breech. Ten times more dangerous vaginally than c-section...

Thanks for the specific, son. It was like pulling teeth...

And there is my favorite, "milquetoast." I wonder where Sir Loin of Milquetoast has been lately?

Posted by: cee at September 26, 2007 1:07 PM

He probably smacked a cop with his piece of rebar he packs with him. Now, he's in the can. The good little liberal he is.......

As for Rush, I stopped listening to him after he was caught as a drug user...after listening to countless diatribes from him about how druggies should be crucified.

But I'm sure YOU have no problem with that kind of hypocrisy, do you Jeff?

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 3:10 AM

Another lie by Mike. If he had actually ever listened to Rush he would know that the myth about Rush wanting "druggies crucified" is just that, a myth. Rush rarely talks about drug abuse because of his own problems with drug abuse. This is a common lie advanced by the left assuming people will just equate harsh punishment for drug abuse with a conservative.

"Is Edwards able to channel any children right before an abortionist's fork is plunged into their tiny skulls? Why can't he hear those babies saying, 'Let me live! Stop spraying this saline solution all over me!' Edwards must experience interference in channeling the voices of babies about to be aborted. Their liberal mothers' hands seem to muffle those voices"

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Wow....what stuff, uh leftist blindrat? And how did Mr. Edwards vote on Partial Birth Abortion legality......

Let the procedure stand!

How leftists can live with such cognitive dissonance and contradiction in their lives amazes me!

Posted by: cee at September 26, 2007 1:15 PM

nothin' but crickets.......

who clearly is totally lacking in typically positive human traits such as conscience, remorse, empathy, and sympathy.

Mike, unknowingly, just described Olbermahn to a "T."

Sorry, Factor...

"...What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too...."

Limbaugh 10/5/95

Factor: "Rush rarely talks about drug abuse because of his own problems with drug abuse."

He may not talk about drug abuse NOW, but he sure as hell did before he got caught. I know, I USED to listen to his radio show regularly when I had a job that put me on the road a lot.

No Factor, he doesn't get a pass for backing off on the subject NOW!

"The birth should've been caesarian due to the fact that it was footling breech. Ten times more dangerous vaginally than c-section..."

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Sorry blindrat....your request for "frivolous" suit includes the fact that CP has never been proven connected to such events....you choose to ignore the science including the fact that CP continues at the same rate despite increases in c-section rates.

Once again you whimp out and cherry-pick....My posts were clear and Jennifer Campbell v. Pitt County Memorial Hospital is one such suit that has contributed only to the legalese of medicine but not the quality of care. Defensive medicine has cost our country billions along with the actual costs of malpractice and the attitude contributed by the brining of the suit is wrong.

Show me one case where the legal idea of informed consent improved the quality of medical care....A study? Come on now....where is your science?

You will not find any....It is assumed the results of legal work has improved medical care....but there are NO empirical studies or evidence that it has....We have a lot more paper work and the lawyers get rich.....but has it really improved care?

From the above article....

The adverse impact large jury awards may have on the cost of medical care,

the consequences of introducing costly defensive medical practices, or

the chilling effect potential liability may have on the stability of obstetrics, neurosurgery, and orthopedics as professions.

The outcome of the medical practice at the time could be argued as conssitent with the standard of care and again, you avoid my initial point about CP like the plague. The suit was frivolous in light of the standard of treatment and vaginal deliveries of footling breeches was still being done at the time....Only since this time has such practices been abandoned because of defensive medicine, one could argue.

People who still employ midwives at home have vaginal deliveries of footling breeches....and these babies survive without CP, how is that possible, blindrat in Edwards saved the world from such malpractice?

Edwards used CP to line his pockets, blindrat....how about that channelling acting....you also avoided that like the plague.

Poor blindrat....lost to the bus again?

2:27PM was me, cee.

And Mike....what about my 12:20PM post....You still angry at Bush and wringing your hands about the whole thing in Iraq?

Uh Mike? Is Iraq worth it now....or must they CUT THE FUNDS, NOW!

Will the leftists stand up and defund this error, this immoral MIC money-maker, this MISTAKE, this terrorist making factory? Uh Mike? You all can start the chant now.....

"Senate Democrats will never give in, never give in, never, never, never

"never give in, never, never, never

"never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never."

Democratic Senator Harry Reid, 9/24/07

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Tinkerbell is alive, she is, she is she is!

Cut the funds!....bring the troops home now!

And this is my post today, the 1,570th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

cee,

I avoided your "point" about cerebral palsy, son, because you hadn't responded to my question, yet...

Your "point" has been proven erroneous. The lack of change in cerebral palsy has been attributed to greater survivability for premature babies who are more likely to get CP. They once made up thirty two percent of CP births, now they make up around fifty percent...

See what happens if you rely on one person's study without checking it out?...

Gee, I guess the survivability has gone up thanks to the tireless efforts of the lawyers too, right? If you knew how hard doctors have to work, how little free time we have for any pursuit other than fixing the sick, you would shut your trap about socialized medicine. Doctors in this country are woefully underpaid, hospitals make all the profits, and we work our fingers to the bone.

And as for your obvious rejoinder, yes, I do count my time here as spent "fixing the sick."

Why don't you chew on this fact. The labor board estimates that when you account for additional costs (school fees, malpractice insurance, long hours) Doctors are compensated about on par with long haul truckdrivers. So you can stick that in your universal healthcare pipe and smoke it.

"...What this says to me is that too many whites are getting away with drug use. Too many whites are getting away with drug sales. Too many whites are getting away with trafficking in this stuff. The answer to this disparity is not to start letting people out of jail because we're not putting others in jail who are breaking the law. The answer is to go out and find the ones who are getting away with it, convict them and send them up the river, too...."

Limbaugh 10/5/95

Posted by: blindrat at September 26, 2007 2:05 PM

How exactly is this calling for drug abusers to be crucified? Calling for white drug abusers to be prosecuted under the law the same as minority drug abusers seems pretty dead on to me.

Cee: "And Mike, what about my 12:20 post".

I think I've already told you before Cee, that I don't even bother to read most of your posts because you take up so much space making taunting, repetitive, and out of context quotes from both your opposition, and even our enemies.

I don't respect that at all.

AND, as for your tauntingly rhetorical "Mike, is Iraq worth it now.....or MUST THEY CUT THE FUNDS, NOW?" 'question', I think you know full well where I stand on that!

Nice try 3:30. Almost, but you were off a little.....

blindrat, you assume things, again....

"The lack of change in cerebral palsy has been attributed to greater survivability for premature babies who are more likely to get CP."

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Even if the cause and effect of most cases of CP was found in the individual cases (intercranial bleeds, sepsis, etc) of premture births, you still would not know what the majority of reasons CP occurred...or their link to c-sections and still the lawyers blame the OB's. Science, blindrat, has not answered the question on what causes CP.....

"Cerebral palsy occurs in at least one in 500 births. Rates of cerebral palsy have not declined in 40 years despite improved care and escalating caesarean section rates"

"There is a large litigation industry in cerebral palsy. Plaintiff lawyers' sites on the Internet perpetuate the myth that electronic fetal monitoring in labour can reduce the risk. An "expert" witness can usually be commissioned who will say there was negligent care and the cerebral palsy in this particular case was preventable."

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This is EXACTLY what Edwards tried in the case I mentioned. No one can prove that a c-section would have prevented the baby's CP. Find me someone who has proven it, blindrat, and I will not call the case frivilous.

"We are not against the option of litigation where there are preventable problems associated with childbirth. However, because there is no scientific evidence that cerebral palsy can be prevented, it is unjust and destructive to maternity services for the insured carers to be used as a de facto social welfare system for these unfortunate children."

"Sympathetic juries or courts may want to witch-hunt and compensate children born with cerebral palsy and may believe selected plaintiff witnesses who declare that their policy could have prevented the cerebral palsy outcome. The huge costs associated with such scientifically non-evidence-based awards or settlements - often millions of dollars - are breaking the health system and demoralising the profession."

http://www.adelaide.edu.au/news/news7741.html

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Come on blindrat, what about this idea? Science versus faith....you leftists are always getting on me about it! Medical science HAS not seen a link between using c-sections and preventing CP.....Why, blindrat?

Poor blindrat continues defending the shysters. What company you keep!

"I think you know full well where I stand on that!"

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No I don't Mike. How do you feel about Bush getting his money to prosecute the war you feel is wrong and immoral from your ruling class?

Slippery Shuster lies again.

SHUSTER: Let's talk about the public trust. You represent of course a district in western Tennessee. What was the name of the last soldier from your district who was killed in Iraq?

MARSHA BLACKBURN: The name of the last soldier killed in Iraq from my district? I do not know.

SHUSTER: OK, his name was Jeremy Bohannon. He was killed August the ninth, 2007. How come you didn't know the name?

Even after Blackburn expressed her appreciation for our soldiers' sacrifice, and detailed the extensive outreach she and her office does to military families in her district, Shuster continued to attack her for not knowing Private Bohannon's name.

SHUSTER: Well, you weren't appreciative enough to know the name of this young man . . . I still think it's a little bit surprising that you didn't know the name of this last soldier killed in Iraq who's only 18 years old yet you do know so much about the MoveOn.org ad and the tactics you didn't like.

It now turns out that Army Private Jeremy Bohannon had not, contrary to Shuster's claim, lived in Rep. Blackburn's congressional district. As blogger Conservative Belle brought to NB's attention, and as she has written about at her site, Private Bohannon lived in Bon Acqua, TN. Checking his nine-digit zip code reveals that he in fact lived in Tennessee District 8, represented by John Tanner, a Democrat.

What a disgrace Shuster is. He makes a good Olbermann puppet. This is like when the left trotted out this "army ranger" who was against the war and it turns out he was a boot camp wash out.

Cee again: "No I don't Mike. How do you feel about Bush getting the money to prosecute the war you feel is wrong from your ruling class?"

What in the hell do you want from me Cee?

I've TOLD you how I feel about the war!

I've TOLD you how I feel about the continued funding of the war!

I've TOLD you how I feel about Bush, along with his (and your) deluded Neoconic vision about America's place in the world.

I've TOLD you what I think of your own hypocritical positions regarding self - sacrifice that should be expected of us all if this were really necessary, and CERTAINLY of people like yourself, who rabidly support it.

And I've TOLD that I have no "ruling class"!

Yet you continue with your persistant taunting about your war even when I haven't even addressed you in days.

Relax Cee. Go back to your comfortable living room couch and cheer on the troops you claim to 'support' while doing nothing tangible to prove your support.

You've WON for now! Get it Cee?

We can't stop your damned war until at least 2009, and at least a thousand + more troops are guaranteed to be killed - for no coherent reason that I can discern.

Relax Cee. Go back to your comfortable living room couch and cheer on the troops you claim to 'support' while doing nothing tangible to prove your support.

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 4:54 PM

Just our daily dose of hypocrisy from mike. Shocker.

Oh boy, 3 guesses and the first 2 don't count.........

Liberal Hypocrisy---9/26/07

The perfect guest/expert for Countdown:

HEMPSTEAD, NY--A disbarred lawyer convicted of aiding terrorists will be teaching at an upcoming law school ethics conference.

Lynne Stewart, who was found guilty of conspiring with terrorist Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, will be speaking October 16 at Hofstra Law School's "Legal Ethics: Lawyering on the Edge," in Hempstead, New York.

The speaking engagement comes only a year after Stewart was sentenced to twenty-eight months in prison on charges of conspiracy and providing material support to terrorists.

Prosecutors alleged that Stewart had passed on messages to Abdel Rahman's radical Muslim followers, authorizing a resumption of terrorist operations against the Egyptian government.

As a result of the convictions, Stewart was automatically disbarred from practicing law.

Mike noted....

"Ann Coulter is obviously a manipulator, who clearly is totally lacking in typically positive human traits such as conscience, remorse, empathy, and sympathy."

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Well Mike, after your last post I thought I should neddle you just a bit more with some humor from Chairman Ann.....

"Democrats should run Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for president. He's more coherent than Dennis Kucinich, he dresses like their base, he's more macho than John Edwards, and he's willing to show up at a forum where he might get one hostile question -- unlike the current Democratic candidates for president who won't debate on Fox News Channel. He's not married to an impeached president, and the name "Mahmoud Ahmadinejad" is surely no more frightening than "B. Hussein Obama."
And liberals agree with Ahmadinejad on the issues! We know that because he was invited by an American university to speak on campus."

[...]

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Oh and it ends just as well as it began.....

"At Ahmadinejad's speech, every vicious anti-Western civilization remark was cheered wildly. It was like watching an episode of HBO'S 'Real Time With Bill Maher.'

"Ahmadinejad complained that the U.S. and a few other 'monopolistic powers, selfish powers' were trying to deny Iranians their 'right' to develop nukes.

"Wild applause.

"Ahmadinejad repeatedly refused to answer whether he seeks the destruction of the state of Israel.

"Wild applause.

"He accused the U.S. of supporting terrorism.**

"Wild applause." **(blindrat and Mike would agree with this one too!)

"Only when Ahmadinejad failed to endorse sodomy did he receive the single incident of booing throughout his speech."***(wannawipe (AAP) and Sir Loin of Milquetoast would also have taken umbrige over the sodomy issue as well!)

"Responding to a question about Iran's execution of homosexuals, Ahmadinejad said there are no homosexuals in Iran: 'In Iran we don't have homosexuals, like in your country. In Iran we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have it.'

I already knew that from looking at his outfit. If liberals want to run this guy for president, they better get him to 'Queer Eye for the Islamofascist Guy.'"

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Good night Mike....have a pleasant evening.

Cut the funds!....bring the troops home now!

"At Ahmadinejad's speech, every vicious anti-Western civilization remark was cheered wildly. It was like watching an episode of HBO'S 'Real Time With Bill Maher.'

(*)[-]{-}------

Sad, but, true.

Well Mike, after your last post I thought I should neddle you a bit more with some humor from chairman Ann"

Well Cee, it's good to see how you've fully exposed your true colors culimating with your last post.

I used to at least believe you had some class, but it is clearer now than ever that you have none.

You call yourself a Christian, and you even quote scripture on this blog, but you speak and act like anything but. You are a perfect example of what my Evangelical sister calls a "false prophet".

As for your debating technique's, you are nothing but a taunter....a trash talker, if you will.

That said, you have had one positive effect on me. I understand now deeper than ever before that I am on the correct side of what is moral, ethical, and good.

Only a hard core partisan would see cees post as you did, mike.

No Mike,

You are none of those things. You are unhinged about Bush and Iraq.

If you stand for something then tell us all what that is.

Start by telling us what YOU stand for Rico?

You will continue to expose only yourslef as being morally bankrupt as long as you find it incomprehensible why someone like myself might be outraged about an unnecessary war started by lies that has killed thousands of Americans and literally bankrupted our treasury.

If you call being angry about something as consequential as THAT "unhinged", then you are indeed the mental case I already suspected you of being.

9:26=copout.

Jeff, I've figured out why you are always answering posts that are not addressed to you.

You obviously understand that if you didn't butt in on other poster's conversations, nobody would talk to you at all.

Second hypocritical post today. You're on roll, liikey!

"Second hypocritical post today"

THIS, for someone who doesn't even understand the meaning of the word.

Mike,

I asked first. You answer first.

Or you could define what a necessary war is. That we can work with, too.

Rusart is tough!

"every other liberal poster on this blog, except maybe bob".

Please, find this quote. We'll see who the liar really is, mike. Remember your many sermons on using quotes correctly? Practice what you preach, please.

Rico: "I asked first. You answer first."

Rico, what is it about you that makes you believe you are entitled to ask and receive an answer for any "question" you happen to pull out of your ass?

I remember very well you ridiculous question from almost a year ago equating international relationships with schoolyard rivalries....how simplistic can you get.

That said, do you REALLY think "what is a necessary war?" within the context of the Iraq fiasco is an intelligent question? Also, just like your original question, don't you think your "question" is just a little bit too broad in scope to expect a simple answer?

Here is the problem Rico...you want to ask a simple 6 word question that requires a 6 paragraph answer. Is THAT your idea of debate?

We already know who the liar is Jeff...and it's you. You said it, and we know it, and that was but one example out of many. I don't owe you a damned thing you troop hating un-American partisan fool!

Mike,

If we add up all of your posts they number probably thousands of paragraphs. What's the problem with doing a couple more? The fact is you don't want to talk unless you choose the topic, which always happens to be your rant of the day. Bush sucks, and Iraq sucks! Blah, blah, blah. Do something different for once. Tell us your political philosophy. Tell us how a society should be ordered. You can keep it general, like one paragraph only. Let us hear your values. Surely you can do that in one paragraph. When and if you ever do so, we will examine them to see if you are consistent and honest. Oh, and I will then give you my paragraph, too.

Mike, do you work for Keith Olbermann?

No proof, again. That's what I thought. You lose.

curious. Who's "we?" You and patsy? LOL!

I asked you Rico...what makes you think you can control the direction of a debate with simplistic loaded rhetorical questions of your own choosing?

Nobody else tries that...just you...why?

That said, I'm virtually certain you can pick out where I stand by my "thousands of paragraphs" you just alluded too.

And if your answer is "bush sucks", then you're every bit as simple minded as your questions imply.

"Mike, do you work for Keith Olbermann"

Why do some of you people have such a hard time understanding that MANY, MANY intelligent Americans fully agree with most of what KO says, and are damned glad he's out there saying it?

THEY came first...not him!

But Mike,

What makes you think that you can control the direction of a debate?

Hold it, Mike. What debate? You aren't debating anything, you are merely expressing you unhingement. It's your never ending rant.

Thank God for those Democrats. I just saw most of them up on stage agree that all smokers should be taken to Gitmo and waterboarded. There goes our liberty, there goes our freedom, there goes our habeas corpus! Double darn!!!

If mike doesn't want to answer a question out of fear of further exposing himself he will just claim "it's a loaded question and I won't answer it." Or, "it's just silly." Olbyloon tactic #2.

Rico: "Thank God for those Democrats. I just saw most of them up on stage agree that all smokers should be taken to Gitmo and waterboarded."

That's what you think you heard?...And here you are calling ME unhinged?!?!

Rico: "Hold it Mike, we weren't debating anything,"

Right! You started by calling me "unhinged', and then you pulled a childish question out of your ass and demanded that I write you a personal narrative about it.

Mike,

I'm funny, and you are unhinged.

And a personal narrative would be better than your never ending stream of consciousness rant.

RK,

Remember, that to any member of the unhinged left, a real question is always a threat, an insult, and way too simplistique to be answered. If they stop their rant for a second to answer they won't be able to get it started up again. I bet Mike sees through my STRATEGERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rico: I'm funny and you are unhinged.

If you're 'funny', then I'm unhinged....but guess what Jack?...Funny you ain't!

Mike,

Since you consider me to be the enemy, of course you don't think I'm funny.

Rico: "A real question is always a threat"

You mean like: "If someone hits you at work, what will you do to make sure it never happens again?"

Is THAT a good example of a REAL question Rico? I believe it was one of your 'real' questions from the past.

Rico, you're the perfect poster boy for the argument that Republicans are just plain dumb, ... but I know from personal experience they ALL aren't that dumb.

Kucinich just said the following:

"A Kucinich administration will be about strength through peace."

Dennis, that ain't what won WWII. It was tanks, bombers, aircraft carriers, flamethrowers, napalm, and nukes that won that one.

What a nitwit that guy is.

Rico sez: "Since you consider me to be the enemy, of course you don't think I'm funny."

If you really think I "consider you the enemy", then you are many times more "unhinged" than you claim I am.

No, I don't think you're "the enemy"....I just think you're hopelessly deluded.

Mike,

I remember that one. If you get slapped in the face at work by somebody you won't necessarily kick their ass to make sure it won't ever happen again because getting slapped in the face is not an existential threat to Mike. You are right, Mike, it's not.

Rico: "Dennis that ain't what won WWII"

But it very much IS what won the Cold war!

What is it about you Rico that makes you such a warmonger? Have you seen war? do you really, really know ANYTHING about it?

I'll bet you think Ahmadinejad is dangerous, but God help the world if anyone who thinks like you ever come to power.

Wrong Rico...I never answered it remember?

You forgot to fill in a few critical details...such as:

1) - Who slapped me. Was it the boss?
2) - Why did they slap me. Ie, did I slap them first?
3) - Was the slapper male or female.
4) - What is the Company's policy about fighting on their property?
5) - Where was the boss when this happened?
6) - How badly do I need my job?

And finally, what in the hell would any of that have to do with making a decision about starting a war that would kill thousands?

You mean like: "If someone hits you at work, what will you do to make sure it never happens again?"

posted by mike

Olbyloon tactic #1---Divert when backed in a corner. Totally off topic.

I'll bet you think Ahmadinejad is dangerous, but God help the world if anyone who thinks like you ever come to power.

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 11:48 PM

mike thinks little Hitler is a swell guy. Shocker. Thank God he will NEVER have any power over anything more than his keyboard to bang "neddless deaths" all day long.

Jeff: "Totally off topic"

And you wonder why so many of us really do think you're stupid?

It was exactly on topic!

"It was tanks, bombers, aircraft carriers, flamethrowers, napalm, and nukes that won that one."

And it was also millions dead, millions more wounded, two cities obliterated in atomic fire and an entire continent devastated.

But why trifle with such details?

Jeff: "mike thinks Hitler is a swell guy"

You wanna tell me where the hell you got THAT from dumbass?

Mike,

Kucinich did not say "peace through strength", he said "strength through peace". He said it backwards. When Bush does stuff like that you notice.

And yes, I guess you didn't answer my question from long ago. I was just trying to help you out. But it never works.

You forgot one of your reasons: what if, in the country of national origin of the person who slapped you, it is considered a compliment to get slapped by him?

Rico: "When Bush does stuff like that you notice."

When Bush does "stuff" like invading a country that did not attack or threaten us after getting elected in 2000 on a promise of being AGAINST "Nation Building", I feel very betrayed for voting for him....and you should too...unless you just like liars?

I suppose you just love America's new role as a warmonger so much that you're willing to overlook a few innocent campaign lies, huh Rico?

Why............

I thought Kucinich was your boy!

Mike,

Bush was against nation building but 911 happened, and so he changed his mind.

After 911 we had three options:

1) Kill all of the Muslims
2) Nation build so that the Muslims would
leave the 7th century and stop being
people who we need to kill
3) Accept not winning the "War on Terror"

I presume #3 is your choice.

#1 & #2 are both acceptable to me.

Why.........

You are so unfair to Kucinich. Give the boy a chance.

Oops! I'm missing Krazy Keith. Gotta go...................

Ricoisms:

- "Bush was against nation building but then 911 happened, and so he changed his mind": You elect a president to stand by his principals even when times get tough and s**t happens. It's what we call strength of character.

- "After 911 we had three options": We had the same options we've always had.

- "1) "Kill all the Muslems": It's called genocide...the very same thing Hitler tried to do in the holocaust.

- "2) Nation build so that the Muslems will leave the 7th Century and stop being people who we need to kill.": Do you believe in the tooth Fairy too?

- "3) Accept not winning the war on terror.": There is no such thing as winning a "war' on a strategy!

- "I presume #3 is your choice?": The world is not perfect and never will be as long as humans are on it.

- "#1 & #2 are both acceptable to me.": God, what a disgusting excuse for a human being you are!

Question for Rico: "Have you ever enlisted?"

Of course he hasn't! He's another Neoconish armchair warrier.

You mean like: "If someone hits you at work, what will you do to make sure it never happens again?"

posted by mike

>>>This was "on topic?" LOL! This was your diversion from Rico's question you ran from.

"I'll bet you think Ahmadinejad is dangerous, but God help the world if anyone who thinks like you ever come to power."

Posted by: Mike at September 26, 2007 11:48 PM

mike thinks little Hitler is a swell guy. Shocker. Thank God he will NEVER have any power over anything more than his keyboard to bang "neddless deaths" all day long.

>>>Read the above really slow w/out frothing at the face. Little Hitler is Amahdidajihadist, your pal. He is very dangerous, but, you are too stupid to realize that. Shocker.

Jeff's latest little ha ha: "Little Hitler is Ahmadidajihadist"

Your "little Hitler" is nothing but a relatively powerless figurehead. He doesn't control his own Army. He has little control over Iranian policy. The main power he has is the power fearmongers like yourself give him through disinformation and mass hysteria. The more we villianize him, the more popular he becomes with his own people, and the more power he actually obtains.

It becomes a self fullfulling prophecy!

Yes Jeff, blind followers like you always need an external villian to focus on. Every despot who has ever lived used blind followers like yourself by convincing then that someone, .... anyone, was their mortal enemy. They use this tactic to exercise complete control over rubes like you, and focus it away from themselves.....and it has happened over and over again throughout history.

But what would a moron like you know of history?

mike, your knowledge of history is very telling, notta.

You wanna correct me on anything?

You got any history lessons for me, oh brainwashed one?

Didn't think so...because you don't know a damned thing about it!

Mike needs to come to his erroneous conclusions about radical islamists who support terrorism because his opinions on why the world is the way it is requires it. Making fun of the radical islamists is the only option.

Iran is responsible for terrorists attacks from Israel to Iraq. His rhetoric gets cheers from millions in The Middle East....and what does his rhetoric include....

The idea that it is ok to kill based on religious and racial reasons.

In addition, even the most leftist of thinkers believe Iran is trying to obtain nuclear weapon technology.

Iran is a theocracy hate state. I do not find it an amuzing, silly fact. It is a threat to millions of innocent people in the region.

Iran's leader has power, he uses it to kill Americans and our allies, both inside Iraq and in Israel and Lebannon.

But Mike chooses to blame those speaking against Iran as making this country an over-inlated enemy. Why? Because it seems to fit in the idea that Bush manufactures enemies so our country has someone to fight.

Proof? Logic?

Cee again:

"But Mike chooses those speaking against Iran as making this country an over-inflated enemy.": Because I have learned the lessons of our invasion of Iraq, as apparently YOU haven't, just as you've mis-learned the lessons of Vietnam. That in turn makes people like yourself far more dangerous than I would have ever imagined prior to the year 2002.

"Why?": Because people such as Jeff, Joker, & Rico knee jerk react to such hyperbole without any real historical context about the history and consequences of over-reaction.

"Because it seems to fit the idea that Bush manufactures enemies so that our country has someone to fight.": If the shoe fits?

"Proof, logic": The fiasco in IRAQ isn't "proof" or "logic" enough for you. is it Cee. But it certainly works for me and millions of other pragmatic people in America.

Yes Cee, Iran is dangerous, but probably not nearly as dangerous as we are too ourselves AND the world if we make the mistake of overeacting to.

Pakistan is every bit, and I believe MORE dangerous than Iran, because any new day could be the day their their many radical elements gain control of both Pakistan AND their USABLE nuclear arsenal. But none of you people ever talk about Pakistan....just Iran.

I for one, am one who believes we NEVER would have survived the cold war if a dangerous reactionary like Bush had occupied tha White House during any one of several crisis that were handled cooly and with diplomacy, something Bush apparently disdains.

During the cold war, we respected our enemies, but we understood we could not dominate, subjucate, and control them. We could only contain them...and it worked.

Your crowd seems to think we can solve all of our international problems with military force...and yes, that thought continues to scare the hell out of me far more than Iran ever could.

Your "little Hitler" is nothing but a relatively powerless figurehead. He doesn't control his own Army. He has little control over Iranian policy

posted by mike

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Yes Cee, Iran is dangerous, but probably not nearly as dangerous as we are too ourselves AND the world if we make the mistake of overeacting to.

posted by mike

Huh?

Jeff: "huh"

Your space eyed reaction to concepts and realities you don't even understand speaks voumes about you Jeff.

"Your crowd seems to think we can solve all of our international problems with military force...and yes, that thought continues to scare the hell out of me far more than Iran ever could."

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Incorrect, Mike. "My crowd" does not think all problems can be solved with military force. Your irrational fear of your fellow countrymen speaks volumes. "My crowd," which included great foreign policy minds that held great sway in Ronald Reagan's and Bush Sr's administrations, were fought tooth and nail from the left with regards to cold war policy. The cold war was only successful because of the neoconservative influence after the debacle that was Vietnam and the utter abandonment of the idea that America was the force for good in the world.

The rabid anti-American left through-out the 1970's would have had The United States admit we were no better than the totalitarian left who were active through-out the world. Our war may have been cold here in the good ol' US, Mike, but talk to the South Vietnamese, talk to the North Koreans, talk to the Cubans, talk to the Eastern Europeans who waited LONG for the economic toll the left's worldview finally came to in the fall of worldwide socialism. Their wars were not always cold.

No, Mike. Neoconservative thought knows that American freedom and democracy is the best form of self-governance and no, that does not mean wars are the only way to bring it about. That is your lie and irrational fear. In reaction to it, you have decided to put American actions in the same moral pit as that of totalitiarians and I find that very offensive.

Neoconservatives came from the anti-American left becoming dominant in the democratic party....many were democrats, Mike. Now, as before, the fringe left asserts their anti-capitalist, anti-american world-view and the democratic party is struggling with how to respond....look at how HRC and Obama can't even say whether they will withdrawal US troops from a theater that they, as Senators, just voted to defund!

Your worldview tells enemies of freedom around the world that America is not prepared to defend their beliefs. Ok. That is your choice. I feel it will lead to more terrorism and if ideologues like the Iranians and other radical islamic totalitarians continue to receive signals that the American left is gaining power, they will assert themselves over democracies like Iraq and Israel to those population's suffering.

Peace through strength is effective and still, the fringe left like yourself just does not understand that concept. America is no better than the terrorists, you imply. I disagree. Motives and intentions are the foundation that brought about the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq....not the lies you claim...the lies the radical left have tried since WWII....American hegemony....This ideology is poison.

Is that all you can say? Weak.

Cee, every single word of every single paragraph you just posted is pure unadultrated BS. I could easily and factually refute every sentence individually but I don't have the time and I'm not sure this blog has the space.

I'm glad you are at least admitting to being a Neocon. Many on your side seem to believe it was simply a word made up by the left.

And not one time in my many posts have I EVER said or implied anything like "America is no better than the Terrorists". You simply make stuff like that up and it makes you in effect, a bald faced liar.

My notion IS and remains....IF WE CONTINUE OVERREACT TO EXTERNAL THREATS, BOTH REAL OR PERCEIVED, AS WE DID IN IRAQ, WE ARE IN MORTAL DANGER OF DESTROYING OURSELVES, BOTH EXTERNALLY AND INTERNALLY!

Statements like that are a far cry from how they become twisted and turned into sound bytes by the right to falsy imply things that never are said or believed.

Also Cee...keep on falsly believing that I am "far left". I'm far closer to the center than you starry eyed Neoconic worldview will ever allow you to acknowledge.

Pastor DUMBFUCK! I mean Phallu-Cee!

Now Pastor DUMBFUCK is resurrecting Ronald Raygun conveniently forgetting that Raygun armed and praised both Saddam and Osama.

Now Moron in Chief is trying to spray more Freedumbs than Raygun did, heckuva job by the way, and you DUMBFUCKS are STILL blaming your straw man "the left"

LOL!

Neocon.....

I will do a Keith Olbermann and correct you....

neoconservative.....

Oh boy Mike, the simple idea you support that Bush lied us into Iraq proves you are a leftist....stop trying to back-peddle. The tripe of Bush and THE NEOCONS creating the threat that was Saddam Hussein is leftist propaganda. Period. Trying to make yourself seem moderate in your views on American power and influence is very funny. You have even used words like "american imperialism" which is what I am talking about. Neoconservatives no more want an "American Empire" than they want Iraq's oil. Defending freedom, where it is under threat, though all means needed, and yes, force is the last resort but sometimes needed, is what neoconservatism is all about....It is in 180 opposition to your idea that freedom only for America and that it may or may not be ok for other human beings to have such governance.

cee,

You are as full of shit as a Christmas goose, son...

Bush lied us into Iraq. That much is obvious; otherwise, he'd simply be too stupid to move having made so many mistinterpretations of intelligence data. Reagan was a big supporter of Saddam but also managed to trade weapons to Al Qaeda and the Iranians.

Bush sr kicked Saddam out of Kuwait after inviting them in; then, told the Kurds to "rise up and we'll support you". He didn't. So much for the dead Kurds...

Your space eyed reaction to concepts and realities you don't even understand speaks voumes about you Jeff.

Posted by: Mike at September 27, 2007 11:53 AM

Is that all you can say? Weak.

So much for the dead Kurds...

Posted by: blindrat at September 27, 2007 1:03 PM

Thank Clinton, boy.

Say, Pastor DUMBFUCK!

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Defending freedom, where it is under threat, though all means needed, and yes, force is the last resort but sometimes needed, is what neoconservatism is all about....It is in 180 opposition to your idea that freedom only for America and that it may or may not be ok for other human beings to have such governance.
Posted by: cee at September 27, 2007 12:33 PM
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Perhaps you can give yourself an OVARY IMPLANT!

When would Jesus bomb Pakistan?
When would Jesus bomb Mecca?
When would Jesus wack off il maestro Greenspan for opening his big mouth?

rk,

No mass graves date from the Clinton administration, son...

You learn something new everyday, eh?...

One of blindbat's cohorts:

HEMPSTEAD, NY--A disbarred lawyer convicted of aiding terrorists will be teaching at an upcoming law school ethics conference.

Lynne Stewart, who was found guilty of conspiring with terrorist Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, will be speaking October 16 at Hofstra Law School's "Legal Ethics: Lawyering on the Edge," in Hempstead, New York.

The speaking engagement comes only a year after Stewart was sentenced to twenty-eight months in prison on charges of conspiracy and providing material support to terrorists.

I could easily and factually refute every sentence individually but I don't have the time and I'm not sure this blog has the space.

spewed by mike

ROFLMAO! Please, make the time. I want to see this. You'll be on here ALL day long, but, you don't have the time to prove cee wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't feel bad that you said something stupid about thanking Clinton for dead Kurds, son. You often do...

That is why you argue at the level of a third grader: "Oh, HE'S your buddy", "Osama's your GIRLfriend"...

I found out a long time ago that the worst kind of stupid person is one who doesn't know that he is stupid.

You have my pity, son...

Jeff: "ROFLMAO. Please make the time. I want to see this."

No Jeff, you DON'T want to see any serious opinion that might make you think a little. You just want something you can try to pick apart and ridicule piecemeal. We both know that.

I already made my position on Neoconism well known prior to Cee's post, and Cee's post didn't make a dent in anything I said. I also my position pretty clear that one reason villifying people like Ahmadinejad TOO much is dangerous because Glenn Beck driven sofa dwelling storm trooper rubes like you will take it as a sign we must attack and occupy THEM as well.

Yes Jeff, uneducated followers like yourself ARE very dangerous to America when taken in mass, and God knows there are far too many of you now with your childish armchair bound 'kick ass' attitude.....AKA Toby Keith. It really DOES remind me of 1930's Germany sometimes. If George Bush really was a dictator with no term limits, we really WOULD have something to fear.

So Jeff, instead of conjoling ME to post something else long and insightful, which I do plenty of already, why don't YOU try posting a comprehensive narrative of some of your OWN ideas that isn't just a cut and paste job dragged from somewhere else?

What....don't have any ideas of your own? What a surprise!

I couldn't even get rk to define what a terrorist was...and he wants YOU to go sentence by sentence?...

Cee: "it is in 180 opposition that freedom only for America and that it may or may not be OK for other human beings to have such governance"

Cee, this one sentence says SO much about you and your grandeous delusions!

To personally believe that freedom and democracy is a universal ideal, and think it could benefit all human beings is one thing. However, to expand that belief to think it is your country's devine mission to forcefully spread that ideology is quite another.

It is also an extreme manifestation of personal arrogance to believe that YOUR ideals are so superior that you discount the probability that others in alien cultures genuinely disagree. By THAT, you are showing profound disrespect for what THEY believe and what THEY hold dear.

But blindered to reality you will remain, I'm virtually certain.

Oh dear....I am shown to be right again!.....

"'People have made the intellectual distinction between the war and the warrior,' one House Democratic leader told us. 'Bush has hidden behind the kids and held us hostage.'

"Fair enough. But this calculation does not erase the gaping chasm between the visceral urgency claimed by congressional war opponents and the conventionality of their political strategy in trying to end it.

"This is why Democratic activists are growing increasingly agitated.

"Galling as it may be to Democrats, Bush still can claim to be acting with more clarity and courage than the congressional majority."

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THAT is the money quote and it is FACT! You leftists have no one willing to take the political risk to affect a moral outcome. Please, read on.....

"[Bush] believes the Iraq war is right and has thrown away things most politicians crave — approval ratings, and potentially his reputation in history — to get what he wants.

"Democratic leaders believe the war is wrong but have pursued their beliefs with a series of ginger calculations that so far have achieved no substantive changes in policy.

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Right on! And the pathetic leftists here at OW apologize for them.....wannawipe, mental midget and the chief of all whiners, Mike. Blindrat just chooses to ignore the fact and go off on tangents.....

"They are acting with the same defensive-mindedness that led many Democrats to swallow deep misgivings and vote five years ago to authorize the war in the first place.

"Many Democrats on Capitol Hill are in no mood just now to be lectured by MoveOn, the group whose ad denouncing 'General Betray Us' was widely perceived to have backfired badly.

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Dit it ever and it quaranteed Bush will get every dime he requests without enforceable time tables for withdrawal....

"Whatever one’s view on the merits of the war, however, MoveOn Executive Director Eli Pariser is right that his ostensible Democratic allies have defined themselves by caution.

“"'Our view is that they are very strong, they have the public’s support at their backs, and they need to use that strength,' he said. 'I think the efforts thus far have been good, but not good enough to put the Republicans on the spot about blocking an end to the war.'

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Ha,you wish....especially after what the leading deocratic cadidates had to say last night!

"Specifically, he supports forcing Senate Republicans who are trying to block measures to force Bush’s hand on troop withdrawals to back up their filibuster threats in a dramatic showdown on the Senate floor.

"'Republicans are effectively filibustering, but no one knows it,' he said. 'One way to demonstrate what’s going on is to make them stand there and read the phone book.'

"'Or go on a hunger strike. Or send the entire Democratic leadership to protest in the backyards of wavering lawmakers.

'''I would rather use my energy to work intellectually to see if we can find common ground that all Democrats' want, to bring home the troops before Bush leaves office, said Rep. Lynn Woolsey (D-Calif.).

"'It is not my job to go to members’ districts and have sit-ins.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0907/6048.html

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Aw, too bad it ain't the 60's huh Mike? Then, withdrawal could be accomplished and we could see the result like we did in South Vietnam! I guess the left will have to take full responsibility for withdrawal sometime in 2010, or 2011 and Bush will be long gone and can't stop you.

Get the troops home now!...Cut the funds! Do it now so the left can't be blamed!

Oh Mike, that 1:47 post is the biggie.....and I assure you, with many ideologies competing for the minds and lives of human beings around our smaller and smaller globe, with te influence of technology and economics, your limited and pathetic view of FREEDOM is a dangerous trend. To say that we should not be concerned about our brothers and sisters of different races and cultures and their ability to live free and not oppressed is a sad commentary on your world-view.

And is why neoconservativism evolved from the droves leaving the leftist hijacked democratic party in the 1960's and 70's.

He's right, Mike...

Freedom is the ability to have others occupy your country and kill citizens with no repercussions...

"Freedom is the ability to have others occupy your country and kill citizens with no repercussions..."

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The conclusion of someone without one non-cynical fiber in their body. I am sorry you are so poisoned by hate and suspicion, blindrat, not to see the difference in American policy and terrorism....you are as close to a lost cause as I will come to admit there is.....but there is ALWAYS hope for redemption.

Olbyloon Ed
Student:blindbat

But Clinton bombed Iraq anyway. It was one more act of war, undeclared by Congress, unapproved by the U.N. Security Council, unsupported by our allies. And he followed that up by rescinding the decision to allow Iraqi civilians to receive food and medicine. This is an extremely callous act, for the humanitarian embargo is not hurting Saddam Hussein; it is hurting Iraqi civilians. Since the embargo has been in place, some 600,000 Iraqi children have died from malnutrition or inadequate health care, according to a U.N. report.

Clinton is not interested in protecting the Kurdish people, or in saving Iraqi citizens from Saddam Hussein's brutality. Clinton is interested in his own re-election campaign, and in saving face for the U.S. empire.

Prior to the bombing, Bob Dole had already begun to claim that Clinton was weak and vacillating on Saddam Hussein. The domestic pressures on Clinton quickly became irresistible. He didn't need to make a clandestine call to Dick Morris to know that sending missiles to Iraq would make his poll numbers soar.

Cee: "To say we should not be concerned about our brothers and sisters of different races and cultures and their ability to live free and not be oppressed is a sad commentary on your world view."

To have "Concern" for those you believe to be oppressed (sometimes falsly), is one thing. But to forcefully advocate that your country is the World's authority on how others should live and govern is quite another.

THAT is the line you don't understand or accept....the line drawn between concern and cultural arrogance.

The other concept you fail to comprehend is that out country cannot possibly sustain this kind of attempted authoritative expansionism of our cultural ideals much longer. We are already borrowing heavily from another ideological adversary now in order to continue what we are doing, and selfish neocons such as yourself have repeately disavowed any interest in increasing your OWN self sacrifice in pursuit of your synical 'ideals'.

When it really comes down to the unvarnished truth: It's really about oil, and always has been....just as Alan Greenspan dared to tell us it was only recently. Yes, That dirty little secret nobody was supposed to actually SAY in polite company:....IT'S ABOUT OIL!

As for you...you are a fraud! In all of your many hypocitical posts you've made on this board, I haven't heard ONE single mention of Darfur, or any of the many other similarly oppressed spots in the world that might actually welcome your arrogant vision......but none of THEM has oil, do they Cee?

rk,

What a sad little boy you are, son! First, you admit that you don't know what a terrorist is; then, you set yourself up to look stupid all over again...

If Clinton only bombed Hussein for political reasons, then, there should've been times when Saddam got to the Kurds, say, when pressure was low. I already stated that there were no mass graves from Clinton's term (unlike Reagan's and Bush sr's).

Clinton kept the no fly zone clear and kept our planes from being targets. He did his job without spending us into oblivion and without exhausting most of our army and national guard...

Sad, son...

OMG! mike calling cee a hypocrite. Can mike show one instance? Nope. Has he ever? Nope. Will he? Nope.

rk,

What a sad little boy you are, son! First, you admit that you don't know what a terrorist is;

posted by terrorist

Just our daily lie from the defender of the enemy.

rk,

Specifically, which is the lie, son? Or have you thought that far?...

The lie that is right in front of your face, boy. Mind posting where I said "I admit I don't know what a terrorist is?"

So...

You cannot tell me what the lie is.

And, you've admitted that you cannot define "terrorist" by avoiding the question...

Unless you've suddenly had an epiphany, child!

At 2:26, we have this SAME idiot again claiming he knows who the posters are .... AGAIN.

Proof positive that retarded people just can't learn.

Posted by: Mike at September 27, 2007 2:46 PM

Cee, every single word of every single paragraph you just posted is pure unadultrated BS. I could easily and factually refute every sentence individually but I don't have the time and I'm not sure this blog has the space.

Posted by: Mike at September 27, 2007 12:23 PM

He bounced from thread to thread for 2 1/2 hours, but, he "didn't have time" to prove cee wrong. Classic diversion 101.

asshat, by your idiocy/logic, that makes you a muslim since you never addressed that question asked by me several times. It's settled, you're a muslim.

yes mikey. you're a muslim. just come out and deny your faith and your defenses of the enemy.

Nice try, coward ass namejacker. Typical olbyloon.

not yet, any way.

That goes w/out saying, patsy the prick.

What?

BovineQueen being the Secretive Slut in male bathroom stalls?

That goes without saying.

Actually, Bill O said that line as an example of what the media has portrayed the African Amercian community as.

dude, that's why the olbyloons won't post the actual quote when I asked them to because they know it was taken way out of context. The actual quote will prove them to be liars.

talking shit about hispanics then telling us all you eat burritos once in a while.

Say, Bovine, how many mexicans you have working in your ranch?

"dude, that's why the Olbyloons won't post the actual quote when I asked them to."

1) - They won't "post the actual quote" because they are not cut and paste queens, like you are.

2) - They won't "post the actual quote when" you "asked them to" because all you ever do is snip and snipe at other posters.

3) - They won't "post the actual quote" because we have all already heard it, and O'Reilly defenders think it's no big deal, and O'Reilly haters do, and no amount of opinion from either side will change the minds of either side.

Why would ANYONE respond in a positive manner to a sniping and taunting troll like yourself who never adds ANYTHING of substance to this blog, much less an original thought of your own?

Why am I surprised that the hypocrite, mike, would approve of calling someone who has a different political affiliation than his a racist with absolutely no proof. Answer, I'm not. "He's heard it" so it must be true.

Bush's exit strategy:

Retirement.

...Forcing the Dems to clean up his mess.

At least what isn't 'cleaned up' by the bootlicker cee.

You still have a little on your chin cee...

The poster at 6:51PM seems bitter. Bitter because I have been right since the day after election day, 2006 when I predicted Bush would continue unhindered in Iraq because the democrats were too spineless to do anything real to challenge him....

Like impeach him and remove him from office over all of the crimes leftists like anon@6:51 whine about.....

Like cut of the funds that pay for the illegal, immoral and unpopular war he has the troops fighting.....

Poor bitter whiner at 6:51PM....your democrats are not going to "solve the problem," nor are they going to pull the troops even if they have both The White House & Congress.....Why? Because the left have no leaders willing to take domestic political risks.

So, Iraq will continue....unless.....well....I'll just keep that to myself.

Just remember, whiner@6:51PM, take some solace in Senator Reid's technique of summoning Tinkerbell.....

"Senate Democrats will never give in, never give in, never, never, never

"never give in, never, never, never

"never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never."

Democratic Senator Harry Reid, 9/24/07

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Tinkerbell is alive, she is, she is she is!

Cut the funds!....bring the troops home now!

And this is my post today, the 1,571st day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

Jeff, in reference to your LATEST lie at 6:47, where exactly did I call anyone a "racist'?

As always, you hear what you want to hear.

Cee again:

- "The poster at 6:51 seems bitter.": Could he possibly be bitter because it means many more troops will die and America is destined to dig itself far deeper into International debt in pursuit of the same end result that WILL eventually occur, whether we stay or leave? It couldn't be anything like THAT, could it Cee?

- "Bitter because I have been right since the day after the 2006 election day, 2006": No Cee, like I've told you before, it's not about YOU!

- "when I predicted Bush will continue unhindered in Iraq": Who gives a damn what you did or did not predict? How does that change the fact that many more troops will die? Once again selfish Cee, it's not about YOU!

- "because the democrats were too spineless to do anything real to challenge him....": What kind of a man derives pleasure from taunting others because a political party has refused to do the right thing?

"Aw too bad it ain't the 60's huh Mike?. Then withdrawal could be accomplished and we could see the result like we did in South Vietnam!"

Been to Vietnam recently Cee? Have you even read about it lately? Pretty vibrant place .... a pretty peaceful place .... Now, how in the world could THAT have happened without our "help" after we "abandoned" them like that?

All 10 of them, not counting Oliver Stoned.

Now, how in the world could THAT have happened without our "help" after we "abandoned" them like that?

Posted by: Mike at September 27, 2007 8:09 PM

How many innocent people died following the deployment, perfessor? Enlighten us.

"How many innocent people died following the deployment, perfessor? Enlighten us."

Far, far fewer than died DURING the deployment!

"What RK knows about history can fit on the head of a pin."

Obviously!

But he keeps popping up uninvited in other people's conversations demanding that he be given personal history lessons even as he continues to contribute nothing himself.

How about it Jeff! You gonna call our 9:20 poster a phony? ... Since you're so utterly convinced that Iraq veterans are all as rabidly in favor of the war as you are!

demanding that he be given personal history lessons

Posted by: Mike at September 27, 2007 9:58 PM

And I haven't got one, yet! Not a single spolbyloon had the nads to post how many innocent people died following the deployment in Nam. One anonyloon says "a lot more than during." Einstein, he's not.

How about it Jeff! You gonna call our 9:20 poster a phony? ... Since you're so utterly convinced that Iraq veterans are all as rabidly in favor of the war as you are!

Posted by: Mike at September 27, 2007 10:02 PM

No mike. I'm not like you. why/patsy/50others found a website that had 10 former soldiers and Oliver Stoned that were against the war. So "all" is not the correct term to use in regards to war favorability.

Jeff: "why/patsy/50others found a website that had 10 former soldiers and Oliver Stoned that were against the war."

Hmmm....only 10 huh? It's really strange that all of them happen to live near me since I know at least 10 who are against the war myself.

"Also check out votevets.org.for a great many more soldiers against Bush's debacle." posted by patsy

That's the same one with Oliver Stoned, him and 10 vets.

When Fraud sees or hears the many troops and ex soldiers against the war, his mind goes blank(which seems to be a terminal condition)

Posted by: Why don't you think at September 27, 2007 11:44 PM

Post the whole list. I want to see you post more than 10 and Oliver Stoned.

Oh... looky here, seems DUMBSHIT! I mean Bovine! is beginning to GROW AN OVARY!

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Post the whole list. I want to see you post more than 10 and Oliver Stoned.
Posted by: royal king at September 27, 2007 11:58 PM
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Please, DUMBSHIT! I mean Bovine!, post your stupid paranoid lists.

why/patsy/50others, you posted a link to a site the other day that had 10 and Oliver Stoned and a couple other washed up actors/drug addicts. What was that one?

Jeff will say: 'Only 2000 out of 1.3 million? That ain't nothin!'

Just like Jeff thinks 4000 troops killed out of 1.3 million ain't nothin either!

And that's exactly why he doesn't really support the troops!

Note Fraud's hatred for all the brave democratic vets that served ie, John Murtha, Wesley Clark, John Kerry etc etc

postedby why can't think

Are these the bravest people you could find? A pathetic list, at best. John "our troops are cold blooded murderers" murtha, wesley "kosovo" clark and Ketchup kerry?

Can you say "partisan hypocritical hack?" How does that boot feel in your colon?

One final word.
Note Fraud's hatred for all the brave democratic vets that served ie, John Murtha, Wesley Clark, John Kerry etc etc

He truly does hate the military.

>>posted by why can't think for himself

I'm glad the ad from MoveOn.org raised awareness among Bush's loyal followers who for so long took pleasure in throwing decorated combat veterans under the bus just because those veterans had the courage and the right to disagree. For speaking truth to power and speaking up for the 70% of Americans who disagree with Bush's war policies - my hat is off to MoveOn.Org !

>>posted by why can't think for himself