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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    September 15, 2007
    A Moment of Truth from Keith Olbermann

    Sometimes even Keith lets the truth slip out...


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (200) | | View blog reactions

    200 Comments

    HA! That's was great. A refreshing moment of candor from Oralmann.

    But sadly, noone in the media will report that it was said, nor comment about the journalistic implications it underscores.

    It's also sad (and hypocritical) that KO would probably reserve a WP nomination for any comparable revelation made by "Bill-O" about FOX News.

    Notice how he also says "why did we do it that way"

    > Fox News? You mean the ONLY station that didn't cover the Democratic response to the president last night?

    Um, Why don't you tell the truth, 1. Fox News did carry the Dem response, and tossed in an interview with Obama for good measure. B. You're drifting off topic. Please address the startling admission made by Keith Olbermann in this video.

    -->Fox News?
    You mean the ONLY station that didn't cover the Democratic response to the president last night?
    That Fox News ?
    -------------------------

    At least when you read the Media Matters talking piles you can read them correctly!

    Sheeesh!

    He was upset that "the Breck Girl" paid for that ad, knowing he and MSNBC would have gladly run it for free. He aides all of the Democrats as well as our enemies.

    He was upset that "the Breck Girl" paid for that ad, knowing he and MSNBC would have gladly run it for free. He aides all of the Democrats as well as our enemies.

    > It was reported by more than one network that they didn't.
    I'll take their word for it. You've been proven wrong too many times.

    LOL! I defy you to cite one report by any of the networks that claims Fox News didn't carry the Dem response.
    And you say I'M proven wrong? Hahaaaaa! What a maroon!

    Wow, that was really picking pepper outta fly shit.

    And to think, Edwards' breaking rank with his Dem buddies might actually be news-worthy enough to warrant a fraction of the coverage than, say, Red-Truck Fred's relentless roll-up to his candidacy.

    Please try again.

    I watched the Democratic response on Fox, what the hell are you talking about?

    In fact Inside Cable News which is linking to this very post,

    I thought this to be very interesting, almost TWO MILLION more people watched the Democratic response to President Bush’s address than they did on MSNBC.

    Fox had 1.4 Million more viewers watching the Democrat response than CNN.

    Inside Cable News

    FNC Democratic Response- 2,957,000 viewers

    CNN Democratic Response- 1,526,000 viewers

    MSNBC Democratic Response- 1,102,000 viewers

    W's core tuned in for reassurance.

    The rest of us already knew what he was going to say.

    Oh no, 186, you must be lying. "Why don't you think" says "more than one network" has reported that Fox News did NOT carry the Dem response. We're just waiting for him to cite those network reports. Obviously you're lying, ICN is lying, oh, and the Nielsen rating services are lying too.

    Don't you realize? "Why don't you think" knows better because this site has been "proven wrong so many times". Hahaaaaa!

    Thank you 186 and Johnny. I thought I was seeing things when I saw that Democratic reponse on Fox!

    The whole "fox thing" is another Media Matters hoax, misleading people because some of the Fox TV networks broke away but told their viewers to go to Fox News.

    You have to ask Why don't you think, why don't you think? Does he even know the difference between Fox (Simpsons and American Idol) and Fox News? Is he aware that Fox broadcast is not programmed by Fox News, that they are two separate entities? More to the point, does he always say stupid things he knows nothing about because he (mis)read talking points about something he didn't even see? I'm starting to wonder if WDYT might actually be our Keith.

    186,

    That's great for the viewers using cable or satellite.

    The other networks, however, aired it without punting to another vehicle altogether. Might as well have told the viewers to check out the other networks for their coverage of the Dem Response.

    Kinda shabby and unprofessional in my book, regardless which party's response is cut from the same feed as the president's speech.

    Equal time? You decide. :)

    -->That's great for the viewers using cable or satellite.


    Who the hell else is there? If your still adjusting "rabbit ears" but have the ability to post here I don't know how I can help you.

    But I fell your pain...I'm pissed they did not simulcast it in Morse Code and Smoke Signals
    :-(

    oops...feel

    186,

    You should travel more.

    It's a great country we live in, however not everyone has the same amenities we do for a variety of reasons (economic, geographic, etc.)

    Scarp the argument about basic access for a moment and consider the formatics alone. Basically bumping coverage to an entirely different channel, albeit on the same network, than the other Majors does send a message, intended or not, that Fox doesn't seem to value the broadcasting precept adhered to by the industry.

    I'm trying to avoid judgment here, but that's the way it seems.

    KO admits MSNBC is biased in favor of Dems..hell has frozen over. :)

    The other truth is Edwards has been treated fairly by FOX on the over 30 times he appeared right up to Jan when he started this boycott FOX debate thing.

    Oh and I love the irony that FOX will be the network to provide the video feed for the Dem convention..Karmas a bitch ain't it John?.

    Also you have to be an real MSNBC kool aid drinker not to recognize how hypocritical their being by running the Edward's ad after refusing to air the Pro-war/Troop ad because of the "politics".

    Again, Edwards' breaking rank with his Dem buddies might actually be news-worthy, not requiring an ad purchase on any channel.

    Just curious, but did Edwards or his ad appear on Fox that night?

    Is there a link for the Pro-war/Troop ad?
    I'd like to see it myself.

    I think a business has a right to accept and refuse advertising.
    Of course, you may chose to run your own network differently. :)

    MSNBC didn't like John Boehner's voiceover on the ad.

    I think it was secrect Olby speak code.

    Please Mr. Breck Girl, come on my show.

    I saw on ICN where FNC got the highest rating with the Demo response.

    Someone should change their name to.

    Why don't you think before you post on this site?

    I didn't watch Johnny Breck Girl, There were unconformed reports that he was flashing 1-800-LAWYERS along the bottom of the screen. Was that true?

    I really wanted to put the loons in a good mood this morning.

    I saw a poll where George Bush has rose in the positive ratings to 37%. Still not great but moving in the right direction.

    But the big shock was Congress, in this poll rose to 32%!

    But alas, I had to throw the poll out.

    I could not believe it.

    It was an FNC poll.

    And you know what those know-it-all loons have tolds us about Faux (don't they ever get tired of printing that) News.

    "Fox News?

    "You mean the ONLY station that didn't cover the Democratic response to the president last night?

    "That Fox News ?"

    Posted by: Why don't you think at September 15, 2007 1:33 AM


    ###
    I like seeing mental midget (why) look like a silly rube once again. Fox TV network stations did not air the Democrat party response....FOX NEWS did. The lie site, MEDIAMATTERS intended to leave the impression of journalistic bias, but they failed to do so for those that have an IQ greater than 55.

    Local Fox stations are not going to do what a cable news organization does....just like MSNBC does not direct NBC affiliate programming.

    The FOX JOURNALIST anchor covering the address, I believe it was Smith, announced continuing coverage on FOX NEWS while local stations were going to their regular programming, so viewers could decide if they wanted to hear the democrats' pathetic response....and it seem they did....look at FOX NEWS ratings for the democrat response coverage (posted by 186 at 2:16AM).

    Don't worry leftists, your propaganda got out and it was covered by great and professional journalists, objectively, as usual, on FOX NEWS.

    BTW, I will be waiting to see if the leftist ruling elite back up their rhetoric with constitutional war fund cuts. I doubt they will and Bush will get his total funding.

    Poor mental midget....caught again not thinking on his own and regurgitating leftist propaganda. You and mental midget wanna-be (AAP) are sad deluded shills for the democrat party, aren't you?

    And this is my post today, the 1,599th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANNFox News?

    The Olbyloons believe whatever they read at Media Matters, from the Kos Kids, and the DUmmies and never question whether it's actually true or not. If they said it, it's GOSPEL! Just like what they hear spewing forth from their beloved idol, Olby. And the bias doesn't bother them in the slightest. Even when it's dead-wrong!

    Chuck Hagel - one of the few Republican legislators to have actually served in combat, and who has NOT served President Bush as a grovelling mind-slave - said on Bill Maher last night that General Petraeus' testimony was:

    "not only a dirty trick, but its dishonest, hypocritical, dangerous, and irresponsible. The fact is this is not Petraeus' policy, its Bush's policy".

    ..and just what does Senator Hagel think of Bush's policy?

    "I think that this war policy, where we are today, and the coninuation of this policy s the biggest foreign policy blundrer in the history of our country"


    Sounds like a pretty firm accusation of "Betrayal" to me.

    Well Phari-cee, just how deep into the Godless, totalitarian Stalinist ideology of the American leftist elites has Hagel plunged?

    Hagel has responded in the past to some of my letters with hand-written note, so I believe that this is a man capable and willing to listen anthink. I think I'll begin to pressure him to caucus with the Democrats for the remainder of his term - or at least until Bush and Cheney are impeached and chained in stress positions.


    Isn't there a huge anti-war rally today somewhere?

    I clicked on CNN.com, and even the propaganda arms of the left.....MSNBC.com and The New York Times and see no reporting about the amassig throngs of regular Americans demanding immediate withdrawal from Iraq.

    Where is mental midget, wanna, Mike and Sir Loin of Milquetoast with their reports from this gathering? I look forward to hearing about all of the normal people there from all walks of life....blah, blah, blah....

    I also want to know about the treatment of the counter protestors.....

    any spitting upon veterans?
    any defacement of monuments or recruitment stations?
    any violence?

    I expected emotional pictures of die-ins on the major networks this AM....I was disapointed.

    Oh well, popular support for immediate withdrawal that the fringe left demands seems to be a mirage.....I guess their ruling elite will once again feel this on their upraised finger in the wind and vote for more money to go to the war effort.....

    Tsk, tsk, tsk.

    Stop the war!......Cut the funds!
    Impeach Bush and Cheney!

    And this is my post today, the 1,599th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    Hagel is wrong, just like anyone who feels there has been manipulation on the part of a professional military servant without hard evidence. Opinion only, Loin, and that is why I have no respect for such rhetoric from politicians.

    Supporting a policy then pulling the rug out from under these great servants is also wrong. General Petraeus has been consistent in his opinion about Iraq since before his SENATE CONFIRMATION. Those now complaining about Petraeus are hypocrites if they voted for him.....I even made the observation on this same site at the time.....

    "Why are the left's ruling class voting for a man like Petraeus who obviously holds an opinion that the mission in Iraq is militarily sound and victory is possible?"

    No, Loin, Hagel and the rest of the Senators who voted for him to take over leading in Iraq then have no ground to stand on now making such accusations without evidence that he is only a mouthpiece of Bush.

    It is intellectually dishonest and without merit.....and sickening.

    Try another avenue of attack, Loin...This one is not worthy even of mental midget and wanna.

    Aren't you supposed to be DC this weekend, Loin?

    Aren't you supposed to be *in* DC this weekend, Loin?

    I'm making a new sign as I write, cee - not for the Washington Rally this time, but for one of the many occurring across the "Homeland" in solidarity. I attend at least one march/rally every week.

    No coverage? No shit - the corporations that own the media and suck fortunes from our treasury are not interested in displaying such messages aimed at curtailing htier bottom line - MSNBC is not exception. When I was in Washington with 300,000 other anti-war patriots ABC gave it a total of 24 seconds of coverage - showing only footage of one clutch of atypical whack-jobs dressed in flamboyant costumes. Forget about any coverage of the several large groups of anti-war vets marching with us dressed in fatigues, or the hundreds of thousands of diverse, average Americans who were also there.

    Then they spent 30 seconds showing the Total of 28 counter-protesters. Equal time, right?

    I'm proteting in a college town today - one of my signs reading "Stop the war FAST: Draft Rich Republican kids". The number of verbal fights I get in with this one is phenomenal, and the petulent sputtering of these lazy, priviledged punks who take exception - but can't think their way trough to a logical response any more than can you, Phari-cee - warms my heart like a shot of 16-year old Islay.

    My new sign reads "Enough with the lies: No War with Iran".

    Maybe I'll make another real quick synopsizing Hagel's comments that I posted above...

    Keith should know why Edwards picked MSNBC -- with no recent Ann Coulter attacks to help raise pity money, the financially-strapped Edwards had to go where the lowest ad rates were. And time after time, ratings results have shown that MSNBC's numbers are even worse than normal when it comes to breaking news or major events, where liberals tune to CNN, conservatives tune to Fox, and the coverage and analysis from Keith and Chis get roughly the same ratings as those overnight infomercials.

    "No, Loin, Hagel and the rest of the Senators who voted for him to take over leading in Iraq then have no ground to stand on now making such accusations without evidence that he is only a mouthpiece of Bush.

    It is intellectually dishonest and without merit.....and sickening."

    Phari-cee's idea of integrity: never learn and DO NOTHING! He lives by it.

    Would you say what you wrote to Hagel's face, Phari-cee? Of course not - that would break the pact you have made with your fascist overlords promising that you will remain totally innactive and suppine. I've bellowed the harshest of my criticisms of your fetish/president to the back of Bush's head - because that's all he would give us - but I am not afraid of cowardly tyrants.

    Aren't you supposed to be *in* DC this weekend, Loin?

    Posted by: cee at September 15, 2007 10:16 AM


    The 29th, Phari-cee. Perhaps you will show up so I can spit on you.

    Is there spittle on your monitor, mental midget....your post conveys agitation!

    You claim I will say, "The democrats made him do it !"


    ###
    Nothing Bush has done or will do is because of the left's ruling elite....They are 180 degree's from Bush's position on national security. I am only holding them responsible to their rhetoric and promises to bring the troops home "now" and have stated the fact that the only way the legislative branch can constitutionally move soldiers is.....

    Through appropriations or lack there of

    Impeaching and removing the executive

    Period. You and the rest of the left spin and sputter about Bush who is clearly not going to change, while your leaders do not use the tools at their legal disposal to affect a change in policy.

    This is why I call you mental midget....you believe what your elite tells you (and they are lying).....that they need republican support to affect change....they don't....they are a majority in both chambers and hold the purse strings....cut the funds and the military policy will fall.

    Furthermore, if the left is right about Bush lying and Cheney lying and shredding the constitution, I am sure showing this evidence will spark demands that they both be removed from office. The Congress could then impeach and remove Bush and Cheney, and Pelosi can make the decisions regarding troop deployments and military appropriation requests.

    Come now, mental midget....stop changing the subject to Bush....he leaves in 16 months and has been consistent in his policy. The democrat leadership is failing you and you continue to allow Bush to do EVERYTHING he wants...have a surge, continue the surge, etc....Get out there with Loin and demand action!

    Oh, and your quotes, they are not lies.....Bush's assessment of the progress in Iraq is correct and your "fact checks" are more of the same inconsequential garbage that will not make one dent in his policy or public support for it. Remain in the 27% dead end caucus, mental midget.....you seem right there.

    Try staying on the subject, mental midget....what about your "FOX NEWS did not cover the democrat's response" mistake...Are you gonna offer a mea culpa and show you're better than that liar, President Bush?

    Stop the war!......Cut the funds!
    Impeach Bush and Cheney!

    And this is my post today, the 1,599th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN


    SLOB,

    Since Kucinich is your boy, I must assume that his views are also yours. Dennis the Menace hung out with Assad Junior, the opthamalogist, in Syria a few days ago. I didn't hear Kucinich complain about the fact that Syria has made another country, Lebanon, a vassel state of Syria for about a quarter of a century. Syria is behind the assassinations of Lebanese politicians who "dissent" from Syrian views on things.

    So are you and Kucinich and the government of Syria allies with each other?

    "The 29th, Phari-cee. Perhaps you will show up so I can spit on you."


    ###
    No thanks, Loin....Don't you remember our conversation about sodomy and the oropharyngeal transmission of HPV, as well as other nastier critters....I really do not want the exposure especially with you and your lovely wife still refusing CDC recommended adult STD screening.

    I will reply to your new chickenhawk argument shortly.....

    Poor anon and mental midget....."Bush is a liar" is is your only response to a mountain of evidence that their political ruling class is playing you for rubes? That even though there is a liar in The White House and people are dying needlessly in Iraq, all your elite can muster is rhetoric.

    No guys, as an American who supports the President along with millions of my fellow Americans, I am not on the dark side....I am participating in democracy and following the plans laid out by our founders that were as clear and noble as the mission in Iraq.

    You on the other hand, enjoy to play in a sandbox instead of affecting real change reflective of your ideology. Come on now, there are rallies to attend! Get out there and move your elected officials to action! I am a part of what Sir Loin of Milquetoast called, "pathetic drowning ratss." Your satisfaction in labeling me does little for that next soldier that will "die for a lie."

    You all are much too easy today. Did you get enough sleep last night?

    So are you and Kucinich and the government of Syria allies with each other?

    Posted by: Rico at September 15, 2007 10:47 AM


    You can count on Rico for lodging a stupid reactionary brain-fart every time. Diplomacy does not infer "alliance", unless you're a binary goon who thinks in big, motionless blocks.

    Do you want me to list the many, many Republican legislators who have over the past several years responsibly visited Syria in an effort to maintain essential international dialogue?

    Thank you, Johnny Dollar, for all you do on this site!!

    Olbyloon Blatanly revealed his and MSNBC's bias by talking about running the Breck Girl's Ad.

    Maybe he was off last night getting ready to crosss-dress and march with Code Pink today.


    BTW, can anyone remember the last time you saw him or anyone from the Liberal (Democrat) Party, especially their leaders SMILE. Anyone who hates their country as much as these people do have to hate themselves, constant DOOM & GLOOM.


    A bright Smile is the most convincing form of communication and persuasion ever devised by the gods.

    By: Anonymous

    No guys, as an American who worships unquestioningly the President along with millions of my fellow Americans, I am not on the dark side....I am participating in idolatry and following through my paralyzed inertia the plans laid out by our fetish, and I will never serve my country in Iraq.

    SLOB,

    I will repeat the question. Are you and Kucinich and the government of Syria allies with each other? Do you support the governent of Syria?

    Why don't you think - weren't you COMPLETELY discredited earlier in this thread?

    YOU claimed (repeatedly) that Fox News didn't air the Democratic response. Then, when confronted with the facts- you disappeared.

    You're a nut.

    You're a nut.


    ###
    Yes, mental midget does frequently show some psychotic tendencies.

    Oh and Loin, once again your BWFD (Bush Worship/Fetish Disorder) is not operative in over 30% of the US population, nor for me....I simply agree with his ideology, in general, and his Iraq policy.

    Poor leftists.....all hung up here on OLBERMANN WATCH with me, a pathetic drowing rat, while their fringe cohorts really need more numbers for their rallies.

    I will repeat the question. Are you and Kucinich and the government of Syria allies with each other? Do you support the governent of Syria?

    Posted by: Rico at September 15, 2007 11:15 AM


    Simple answer to an embarrassingly simple question from a willful simpleton:

    No.

    "Oh and Loin, once again your BWFD (Bush Worship/Fetish Disorder) is not operative in over 30% of the US population, nor for me....I simply agree with his ideology, in general, and his Iraq policy."


    Prove me wrong; is there anything - ANYTHING - on which you have some disagreement with your tarnished fools-gold idol?

    I'm off to disturb the masses of brainless, irresponsible and largely Republican youth at ne of uour nation's most respected institutions of higher consumerism. Here again are the words of a respected Republican legislator and two-tour veteran of the tickest ground-fighting in Vietnam:

    Chuck Hagel - one of the few Republican legislators to have actually served in combat, and who has NOT served President Bush as a grovelling mind-slave - said on Bill Maher last night that General Petraeus' testimony was:

    "not only a dirty trick, but its dishonest, hypocritical, dangerous, and irresponsible. The fact is this is not Petraeus' policy, its Bush's policy".

    ..and just what does Senator Hagel think of Bush's policy?

    "I think that this war policy, where we are today, and the coninuation of this policy s the biggest foreign policy blundrer in the history of our country"


    Sounds like a pretty firm accusation of "Betrayal" to me.

    No, mental midget, the leftist opposition research and interpretation of The President's contentions does not sway me or the millions of others (as well as many in the US Congress) to join your 27% dead ender's club. If you want the soldiers out now, your elite will have to take real action....Again, allow me to repeat what they can only do.....

    Impeach and remove both Bush and Cheney.

    Cut the funds supporting the Iraq War.

    Please try to address these truths, the truth about your democrat leaders and your lack of contrition concerning your lies regarding FOX NEWS coverage of the democrats' response to The President's speech on Iraq.

    If not, have a nice day at the rally!....Enjoy.

    When you change the paradigm it's easy to fudge facts !

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at September 15, 2007 11:32 AM

    >>>How ironic patsy has the nerve to post this. Take it from an expert!

    I will repeat the question. Are you and Kucinich and the government of Syria allies with each other? Do you support the governent of Syria?

    Posted by: Rico at September 15, 2007 11:15 AM


    >>>Slob is more a Puko Chavez guy.

    And again, I have to ask mental midget to try comprehending what he reads....

    "and your "fact checks" are more of the same inconsequential garbage that will not make one dent in his policy or public support for it."


    ###
    See the word "your." I did not write that the State Department or aything else you claim is garbage....I wrote your interpretation of those presentations in the context of Bush's speech is inconsequential rubbish. Understand?....Your tactic of attacking Bush is flawed and misdirected. I laugh at your insanity of doing something over and over again with the same result.

    "Bush lied." I never get tired of hearing it. It shows desperation and continued failure on the part of the left as they say this yet allow him to get all the money he wants and continue to remain in power.

    Do you understand now, what I inteded with "inconsequential garbage," mental midget?

    Oy. You are one shrill and dense synchophant, MM.

    Oh goody, mental midget wanna-be (AAP)has joined his master in showing us all how they, the "short-busers," handle complex thoughts and nuanced debate.

    I like easy debates on weekends.....Please continue!

    Hey, "short-busers," are you also going to avoid my simple rhetorical question this morning that was in reponse to mental midget's poor performance on this very thread?......

    "Poor mental midget....caught again not thinking on his own and regurgitating leftist propaganda. You and mental midget wanna-be (AAP) are sad deluded shills for the democrat party, aren't you?"

    Tsk, tsk, tsk....Are you going to let my insult stand? Come on now, whose the real _____wipe?

    AAP @ 12:12PM.....Example #1 of our resident leftist trying to form a complete sentence.

    Sad isn't it?

    RK,

    SLOB is more a Ron Paul kind of guy. I keep think of beanies with propellers on their heads.

    Oops! "Thinking".

    "The whole nation and 'internets' is a buzz over your president's out right lies to the American people in his speech.


    ###
    Example #2 of another leftist resident trying to participate in nuanced debate and attempting to form complete sentences.

    Sad isn't it?

    Hey mental midget, I have been online for several hours now and your bunched-up tightie-whities over the discrepencies ("lie" suggests intent and I am not aware of evidence of Bush's state-of-mind), is the first I have seen. I do not consider your minority views as the same as, "the whole nation's."

    Have you cleaned your computer monitor yet. Your spiddle must be rather think at this point.

    Continue your losing propositions, MM....This is really fun for me!

    "Your pathetic attempts at defending Moron in Chief's failure and your hallucinations about "leftists" demean you, and place you in the company of Bovine, Laura, and Johnny BU$HWIPE.


    ###
    Oh joy....A complete sentence from wanna! He is actually making progress! Perhaps next he may post something of substance to the debate thread for which I could then form a thoughtful response.

    Miracles do happen post-canon! I may have to change my theology!

    "Did you hear what I intended when I warned you to look out for lightning bolts, Fallacy Cee?

    The whole nation and "internets" is a buzz over your president's out right lies to the American people in his speech."

    Sorry, Why Don't You Think, but that is another incorrect fact. Our President and the News have MovedOn with his signing of the Reform Bill. The Nation and Internet has accepted the fact that your cowardly Party are not going to Defund the War.

    The whole nation and Internet is a buzz over your Liberal (Democrat, NOT Democratic) Party and the Attacks on General Petraeus.


    Olbyloon and MSNBC were a MAJOR part of that, since he first "coined the phrase." The story is not going away anytime soon.

    "Moving countries in or out of regions, establishing morality over peoples, appropriate procreation techniques, and FUCKING WITH TIME."


    ###
    Oh boy, he's backsliding already on those understandable complete sentences.

    I am sorry I incorrectly typed "12" instead of "14."

    Please clarify the remainder of your post, wanna, especially, "establishing morality over peoples, appropriate procreation techniques."

    From Terry Ballard (hard core Olbermann supportor):

    "When I came back, I saw Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews mention the "Coalition of 36 nations," without actually challenging that number. "

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_terry_ba_070914_checking_the_numbers.htm

    Let me take a stab at correcting your sentence anc see if I understand what you were trying to say, wanna.

    "Just how do you do it? Moving countries in or out of regions, establishing morality over peoples, appropriate procreation techniques, and FUCKING WITH TIME."

    really is.....

    "Just how do you move countries in or out of regions, establish morality over people's appropriate procreation techniques and FUCK WITH TIME?"

    Am I correct, wanna? Now, if you can clarify the "establish morality over people's appropriate procreation techniques" portion, I will try to respond.

    whats kind of funny about this site, there seems to be more Olbermann supporters than not...

    Keith Uberdouche spewed: "Why on earth did we do it that way?"

    Due to Countdown's low ratings, the cash-strapped Edwards campaign is able to afford the discounted ad pricing offered by MSNBC compared to it's highly-rated competitors.

    "doesn't remember his sermons about how to fuck for "recreation" purposes."

    ###
    When did I do this, wanna?

    Well, wanna, the sentence, "Moving countries in or out of regions, establishing morality over peoples, appropriate procreation techniques, and FUCKING WITH TIME" makes even less sense after your attempt at clarification at 1:17PM. At least when I made peoples, people's the object of your sentence was clear.

    Why is there a comma after peoples? Please rephrase it so we can all understand what you are trying to say.

    Slowly now, wanna because we do not want you to get too frustrated. We can be patient.

    SLOB has never , and never will, change a single mind. His pathalogical Bush-hating derangement( which began long before 9/11, no doubt) precludes any thinking person from taking him seriously. Sorry Slob, but it is true and you know it.

    "whats kind of funny about this site, there seems to be more Olbermann supporters than not..."

    Yes, ostensibly they're his supporters. But they have this peculiar tactic of never (okay, rarely) defending Olbermann.

    Whenever Olbermann is documented to have done something absurd, the response from his "supporters" is usually: "Bush is a fascist" or "neocons are malevolent" or some such non sequitur.

    His supporters rarely come to his defense. They just change subject and try to move the discussion away from the initial topic.

    As the saying among lawyers goes: if you have the facts on your side, argue facts; if you don't have any facts, just pound the table.

    Lotta' pounding of the table from the KO crowd.

    Gee, that was helpful analysis; not like 1:07 could've figured that out on his or her own.

    Gee, that was helpful analysis; not like 1:07 couldn't figure that out on his or her own.

    Gee, that was helpful analysis; not like 1:07 couldn't figure that out on his or her own.

    *sigh*

    Sorry for the multi-posts.

    Despite wanna's mental breakdown, I would like to return to more important topics like the fight for freedom over totalitarianism in Iraq....

    "The statements were posted Friday and Saturday on Islamist Web sites and among other things claimed responsibility for the assassination of Abdul-Sattar Abu Risha, who spearheaded the uprising against al-Qaida in Anbar province west of the capital.

    "In claiming responsibility for Abu Risha's death Thursday, the Islamic State said it had formed 'special security committees' to track down and 'assassinate the tribal figures, the traitors, who stained the reputations of the real tribes by submitting to the soldiers of the Crusade' and the Shiite-led government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki.

    "'We will publish lists of names of the tribal figures to scandalize them in front of our blessed tribes,' the statement added.

    "In a second statement posted Saturday, the purported head of the Islamic State, Abu Omar al-Baghdadi, said he was 'honored to announce' the new offensive in memory of al-Zarqawi.

    "'Today we witness the fallacy of the Western civilization and the renaissance of the Islamic giant,' al-Baghdadi said in a half-hour audio file."

    http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20070915/D8RM052O0.html


    ###
    Nice. The American left celebrated the assasination of Abu Risha yesterday along with Al Queda. Mike, Loin, wanna and mental midget join the terrorists in their celebration of their new offensive in killing people who want democracy for Iraq!

    Yeah, it is a good day. How is that huge rally going?

    Stop the war!......Cut the funds!
    Impeach Bush and Cheney!

    And this is my post today, the 1,599th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    When you change the paradigm it's easy to fudge facts !

    Posted by: patsy at September 15, 2007 11:32 AM

    >>>How ironic patsy has the nerve to post this
    Posted by: royal king at September 15, 2007 11:47 AM

    Those are my words, you blooming idiot.

    I see you hit the ground running this morning, keeping your 100% record in tact of being WRONG.

    Posted by: Why don't you think at September 15, 2007 11:52 AM


    I know those were your words, I accidentally gave credit to slob, my mistake, spolby.

    Ah, "crickets chirping" from the dynamic duo, wanna (AAP) and mental midget (why). It is nice.

    I guess they both finally realized they were at a loss to account for their various mistakes since 1AM and are now self-medicating.

    Steve MG You are Right-On with the following statement:

    "His supporters rarely come to his defense. They just change subject and try to move the discussion away from the initial topic."

    That is a characteristic of Liberals (Democrats, NOT Democratic) people in general. They change the Subject to mouth their same 'ol Hum-Drum Talking Points.

    Newsbusters is now reporting this story and Video of Olbyloon about the John Edward ad.

    With Johnny Dollar's untiring efforts here and John Gibson on Olbyloon's case, the word is spreading BIGTIME.

    Fox News, my favorite, r ecentlyreported a lawsuit has been filed against NYT to FEC for Soft Money involving the MoveOn ad by a conservative group. If investigation is thorough, perhaps Olbyloon initiating the Betray Us phrase will be revealed.

    I think his reference to we (he and MSNBC) to the John Edward's ad might be an FEC violation.

    SMILE-----

    Ech, I spoke too soon! Wanna is panting again.

    Well, wanna, if you do not have a clear way of communicating your question, I guess we will leave it alone. I still have no idea what you are referring to with regards to, "sermons about how to fuck for 'recreation' purposes."

    If by "V" you mean Pfizer's VIAGRA, then I am sorry to hear you and your male friends need it. Erectile dysfunction can be an early sign of peripheral vascular disease that suggests atheroschlerosis. A work-up to rule-out coronary artery disease may be advisable.

    Please see your internist along with your psychiatrist this week, wanna.

    Its sad the way Phari-cee and his fetish/president allow essentially powerless terrorist demagogues to control their opinions and....I was about to say "direst their actions", but that would have been ludicrous. Neither of these comfortable rubes does anything.

    SLOB is more a Ron Paul kind of guy. I keep think of beanies with propellers on their heads.

    Posted by: Rico at September 15, 2007 12:22 PM


    Ron Paul is as whacke-out as any Fre-market Fundamentalist when it comes to taxes and hte regulation of industry; but he's got it all together in regard to the war.


    As for beanies and tin-foil hats, have your heard about Bush's ghost-story that he himself related to the author of that new book "Dead Certain"?

    Apparently, back when Poppy was president, little Georgie was left all alone in the West Wing one evening, and saw ghostly figures emerging from the portraits outside of the Lincoln Bedroom. He claimed that he was unnerved, but bravely locked himself in the residence until Mommy and Daddy came home.

    HAR HAR! Beanies indeed! Delerium tremons comes to mind, given the timing of this story.

    On break from the tag-team protest line.

    Things are going well - lon-stop honking, peace-signs, and thumbs-up in affirmation and many signatures on our various petitions. I only counted one middle finger, one death-threat yelped from a passing car, and around three frowning, shaking heads.

    Sadly, a lot of blank stares from people unused to thinking. War? Where's Iran?

    Please see your internist along with your psychiatrist this week, wanna.

    Posted by: cee at September 15, 2007 1:58 PM

    Your long-distance diagnostic skills are almost as impressive as those of the strangely scarce Dr. Frist, Phari-cee.

    Think of the good you could do for the troops being mangled, burned and maimed by the brutal occupation your fetish/president insists on perpetuating. Have heard the recent reports that lots of the Iraqis who's well-being concerns you so are going without adequate medical treatment for grotesque injuries and the sordid maladies of chaos and deprivation?

    Instead of parking your ass in front a computer and entertaining us leftie idiots all weekend you could march on down to the recruiter's office and make an honest war-monger out of your pathetic, didactic self.

    It's shame he has sold himself to the left.
    Sometimes, he shows shades of brilliance by admitting how left MSNBC News is.

    Al Jazeera in Secaucus...

    Just when I think I should take a break from reading OW, I come across "gem" exchanges such as this, then simply LOL, we all need laughter in our lives:

    Aren't you supposed to be *in* DC this weekend, Loin?
    Posted by: cee at September 15, 2007 10:16 AM

    "The 29th, Phari-cee. Perhaps you will show up so I can spit on you." Sir Loin of Beef

    ###
    No thanks, Loin....Don't you remember our conversation about sodomy and the oropharyngeal transmission of HPV, as well as other nastier critters....I really do not want the exposure especially with you and your lovely wife still refusing CDC recommended adult STD screening.

    I will reply to your new chickenhawk argument shortly.....
    Posted by: cee at September 15, 2007 10:56 AM

    "W's core tuned in for reassurance. The rest of us already knew what he was going to say."


    Liberals have great psychic abilities, don't they.

    A liberal believes it when he believes it, a conservative believes it when he sees it.

    > I don't see many people out here defending him as impartial.

    Well it's Olbermann who said "I am not politically biased". Who said he doesn't single out politicians for criticism. Now if you want to admit Olby is a partisan and skewers the news to fit that perspective, then you get a gold star. So why does Olbermann continue to insist he is a "journalist" who is "not politically biased"? Why does he lie about what he is?

    Olbermann sickens me

    Fox ALWAYS presents both sides. That's a huge difference.

    Rabid righties like Chris Dodd and Barack Obama? I saw them both on Fox News the other day.

    But let's not try to divert and distract, the standard Olbyloon tactic. Let's take your response:

    > Just because Olby doesn't admit he's biased...

    Um, no, not quite. It's not that he doesn't admit his bias. It's that he DENIES he HAS any bias. He flat-out lies and insists he is unbiased. If he just didn't admit it, then he would be a weasel. But if he lies about it, well, that makes him a liar. No?

    Except that its pretty much not true. I can't think of a party who toes the line better than the republicans. Posted by: me at September 15, 2007 3:55 PM


    Are you kidding? Look no further than Olbermann. Talk about toeing the line...he REFUSES to even report on a legitimate news story if it might hurt the Dems. His guest list reads like the roster of the Dem Convention. His Worst Person picks only reinforce that. And you still don't see it. Talk about blind.

    I've heard Billo go off on Bush more than just a few times. And when the GOP has a rat in their midst they get rid of it. Not the DEMS.

    They will have to physically drag William Jefferson from his office to his prison cell but you won't hear about it on Olbermann. Unless it's to report that KOS is reporting that Jefferson was framed by the neo-cons and "Faux News"

    Point well taken J$.

    Except that its pretty much not true. I can't think of a party who toes the line better than the republicans. Posted by: me at September 15, 2007 3:55 PM


    Are you kidding? Look no further than Olbermann. Talk about toeing the line...he REFUSES to even report on a legitimate news story if it might hurt the Dems. His guest list reads like the roster of the Dem Convention. His Worst Person picks only reinforce that. And you still don't see it. Talk about blind.

    I've heard Billo go off on Bush more than just a few times. And when the GOP has a rat in their midst they get rid of it. Not the DEMS.

    They will have to physically drag William Jefferson from his office to his prison cell but you won't hear about it on Olbermann. Unless it's to report that KOS is reporting that Jefferson was framed by the neo-cons and "Faux News"

    Liberals are infinately blind to their own bias.

    Liberals believe their bias is appropriate on face value. A non hypocrite would tell you " Hell yes I'm bias, and that's what I like about Olbermann. His unabashed bias!"

    Oh good, my sound medical advice to the erotic Mr. and Mrs. Milquetoast is in the running for best comment! I am so excited.

    With regards to your last few comments Loin.....

    I would consider going down to the recruitment office but I am afraid I do not want to have to deal with the few dozen smelly hippies congregating in protest (especially if they are anything like mental midget who can't answer simple questions). Once again, my worry about the tactics of the lunatic fringe just makes me want to hide under my bed! The potential for spiddle on my shoulder makes me shudder. The lack of discipline, hygeine and following basic preventive healthcare recommendations is notorious among the fringe left.

    So how many protesters are there Loin? Can we expect the left's ruling elite to put their collective extended index finger in the wind back where it usually is (mmmmm, I wonder where that would be?), and finally do something real about the war and the evil executive.

    Bush and Cheney are not going to be going to The Hague anytime soon for war crimes trials if impeachment investigations are not started soon!

    Oh, and perhaps you can explain to me why you continue to advance efforts to supply the pork for the sausage grinder. No men and women to fight, means no war. Isn't that why you all vandalize recruitment posts, push to limit recruiters access to schools and college campuses, despise ROTC and generally put down those volunteering to protect our nation?

    Once again, Sir Loin of Milquetoast, you are anti-war when it suits you but encourage me and everyone else to serve the MIC in loyalty to kill, kill, kill. What a conflicted person you have become! A secular humanist who loves all men and women in ideology, cold cynical hater in word and deed....Dr Jekyl/Mr. Hyde! Ooooo.

    I expect to hear about your arrest for the well respected civil disobedience you perform today, Loin. Are you going to do a sit-in, stand-in, a die-in, a love-in, a hate-in or just some basic thugish vandalism today?

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    Imagine a broadcast entity named " FOX NEWS" having a " Newsy" feeling. The gall!

    Ad Homs are the first refuge of a simpleton.

    Can it be made any plainer? Fox News does present both sides. Olby never does. That is a HUGE difference. Balanced? Who the hell knows. You do however hear both views.

    I like you, Me. Where have you been?

    Fox News is far worse than AQ, the Nazi's or the Klan.

    >>>Except that their motto isn't "you do however hear both sides".

    Since it is "F&B" and they are not balanced they are just as guilty as KO.

    I couldn't agree more. I do however value hearing both sides.

    me, read OLBYS interview in PLAYBOY. Its either just out, or due out soon.

    Also, the fact that his "special comments" are becoming a more and more regular feature only shows that his show is commentary.
    Posted by: me at September 15, 2007 4:19 PM

    He's got a book to fill (due out Dec. 26th)--that is the reason for the uptake on the special comments.

    You will not get this, but I'll try: The MSM props up Olbermann as "news" and when one is constantly given "props" for "telling the truth" during his special comments, a whole lot of people can find (or not) journalistic lines being blurred. He's a pundit that is being presented as "correct" or "speaking truth to power"----when he is no different than Bill O'Reilly (except O'Reilly does have opposing views on, although does shout more and is not as political). I think OW is simply pointing out that Olbermann's is really a pundit (and a political hack at that). So scream about Fox News all you want, doesn't change that Olbermann is no different, just far left of center.

    I will never get back these last few minutes of my life...snif...

    The Playboy interview contains the comments about AQ, Nazis, etc = FOXNEWS.

    The Playboy interview contains the comments about AQ, Nazis, etc = FOXNEWS.
    Posted by: *Zizwheel at September 15, 2007 4:49 PM

    Actually he said AQ & KKK were worse than FoxNews.

    He's got a book to fill (due out Dec. 26th)--
    Posted by: you at September 15, 2007 4:47 PM

    Why does Keith hate Christmas?

    Therein lies the problem, if you can not see that the MSM praises this guy as news, it's not really worth the time talking about it. And I certainly do not have the time to go through the OW archives to point out just about every "fawning, bandwagon" article put out by the MSM praising Olbermann (there are at least 50 posted on this blog alone).

    I just find it hypocritical that the same people who defend FoxNews condemn and even hate Olbermann.Posted by: me at September 15, 2007 4:58 PM


    Then you obviously don't watch Fox News.
    Does Olbermann EVER have 2 opposing points of view on his show? The answer is a simple no.

    O'Reilly almost always has 2 opposing viewpoints debating an issue. So, if you want to hear the full story you go to FOX News, not MSNBC. O'Reilly's rhetoric doesn't even begin to compare to Olbermanns partisan rants.

    And yet, one claims to be a journalist when neither are.

    "Once again, Sir Loin of Milquetoast, you are anti-war when it suits you but encourage me and everyone else to serve the MIC in loyalty to kill, kill, kill. What a conflicted person you have become! A secular humanist who loves all men and women in ideology, cold cynical hater in word and deed....Dr Jekyl/Mr. Hyde! Ooooo. "


    You are one convoluted coward, Phari-cee. Once again you attribute your refusal to ante-up to your own destructive beliefs and political franchise to ME. I am only being consistant - I expect people to act on their convictions, as opposed to leaving such actions to others.

    I know of no vandalism such as you accuse me of committed by anyone in the anti-war movement. My car, however still bears the marks of mindless damage centered on its anti-war/anti-Bush stickers - vandalism committed in an emergency room parking lot no less. I keep it that way as a memorial to the sort of people I oppose.


    And I certainly do not "love all men and women in ideology". This should be amply clear to you by now, of all people.

    "Once again, Sir Loin of Milquetoast, you are anti-war when it suits you but encourage me and everyone else to serve the MIC in loyalty to kill, kill, kill. What a conflicted person you have become! A secular humanist who loves all men and women in ideology, cold cynical hater in word and deed....Dr Jekyl/Mr. Hyde! Ooooo. "


    You are one convoluted coward, Phari-cee. Once again you attribute your refusal to ante-up to your own destructive beliefs and political franchise to ME. I am only being consistant - I expect people to act on their convictions, as opposed to leaving such actions to others.

    I know of no vandalism such as you accuse me of committed by anyone in the anti-war movement. My car, however still bears the marks of mindless damage centered on its anti-war/anti-Bush stickers - vandalism committed in an emergency room parking lot no less. I keep it that way as a memorial to the sort of people I oppose.


    And I certainly do not "love all men and women in ideology". This should be amply clear to you by now, of all people.

    ...and I must finally ask; what kind of a pantywaist uses the word "milquetoast"?

    There are 3 basic positions on war:

    #1 War is always good.
    #2 War is always bad.
    #3 A certain war is good, or it is bad based on its own.

    If you are #1, you will probably burn in hell. Lots of Republicans are #1 and are probably already buring in hell.

    If you are #2, you might be speaking a different language some day.

    If you are #3, you are probably a reasonable person.

    There are many ways to decide whether a war is good or bad, but I think most of those way all show this is a real bad war. All it is doing is weakening America and creating more enemies for us.

    "Once again, Sir Loin of Milquetoast, you are anti-war when it suits you but encourage me and everyone else to serve the MIC in loyalty to kill, kill, kill. "


    Please, like Phari-cee could ever manage to kill anybody.

    But he could lend his alleged medical expertise to the desparate task of patching up the wounded, and saving some Iraqi lives. While he's at it he'd at least give his tiresome line of bullshit the credence of "walking the walk".

    Because, Phari-cee, you are so obviously full of shit.

    Why does Keith hate the baby Jesus?

    No wonder you love Countdown so much--Nonsense is all it is. If it were a book it would be filed under "fiction".

    The guests are usually the nuttiest dems they can find.

    Posted by: me at September 15, 2007 11:14 PM


    Can you name one that isn't?

    We are not nutty! I'm as American as apple pie(with plenty of whipped cream on top, my favorite!!!).

    SLOB, please, for the love of GOD , get the hell off my side!

    Rising and shining, I find mental midget and Sir Loin of Milquetoast dropping off the cliff into simple repetition of earlier rants....

    Bush lied, you can't defend him.....
    Go serve in Iraq if you support the policy.....
    etc, etc, etc

    You guys don't seem to tire of trying the same points even after I address them. Please look above and find that you have nothing.

    MM....I searced for your "internets" screaming about Bush "lies" and found nothing. Once again, sane, thinking people see the discrepancies as minor, nonintentional and just more evidence that the far left is desperate for ANY traction against Bush. I hold to the opinion that the mistakes were not intentional and one more item of logic....If Bush lied over easily verifiable and arguable facts that were corrected the next day, why did he do it? Once again that paradox of incompetent fool versus menacing propagandist has a leftist (you mental midget) all befuddled and unable to act.

    Loin...Once again, if you are anti-war, your stand in encouraging people to serve is contradictory to your position. Come on now, be like those hippie aunts and uncles and stuff daisies in the barrels! Be more assertive of your world-view....WALK THE WALK! Make love, not war, man!

    And to both of you....my SARCASM (yes, I was being sarcastic about avoiding protestors because they smell, etc) with regards to going to a recruiting office seemed to escape your dull, humorless minds once again. I have never given reasons why I have not and cannot serve....other than saying it is none of your business and it would only validate the poor argument you presented....Chickenhawk arguments are another illogical and desperate ploy of a side impotent to affect policy change. It is pathetic and sad.

    So keep trying leftists....you look more and more pathetic just like the anemic protest numbers in DC yesterday.

    "WASHINGTON (AP) - Several thousand anti-war demonstrators marched through downtown Washington on Saturday, clashing with police at the foot of the Capitol steps where more than 190 protesters were arrested."


    ###
    The anti-war group predicted 10K, they claim 100K (yeah...right), the paper estimates "several." You do the math. If it was 100K it would be splashed on the front page of my paper this AM....it is relegated towards the back of my first section.

    Oh and who was arrested?....not patriotic and peaceful counter-protesters....just some of those rude and spitting hippies....one of them with an incindiary device.

    Peace, man! Not war!

    Oh and one final note from Sir Loin of Milquetoast...

    "And I certainly do not 'love all men and women in ideology'. This should be amply clear to you by now, of all people."


    ###
    I am sorry to hear you are not a fundamentalist secular humanist, just a part-time religious fanatic....It goes well with your lack of conviction about the violence in Iraq and encouraging only republicans and neocons to go and shoot those poor, innocent jihadists. My respect for you Loin decreases minute by minute....

    hence "Milquetoast" replaces Beef, because you remind more and more of a wonderful character called "Caspar Milquetoast."

    You forget a post several months ago where I played on your chosen name during one of many times you called me a Chickenhawk and one, "Sir Loin of Milquetoast," tickled my fancy. I am sorry you forgot the post, but age and being humorless can do that.

    Both you and MM need to develop some kind of humor, Loin. These are serious times, however hatred is a poison and the both of you, and I suppose much of the radical fringe, really need to drop the pride, see that ALL people are redeemable, and you should try to smile instead of spit about the things those with whom you disagree with do and say. It could change your whole attitude towards your "enemies."

    Yep, milquetoast....a very timid, unassertive, spineless person...I see you as that Loin because you believe one thing, and in the heat of debate, say something else and I would predict in the end, do something else. Your ease of dehumanizing opponents on this blog and going into the chickenhawk argument are just two frequent examples of your contracticion as a humanist....It is a common one amonst all types of religious people....humanists, buddhists, muslims, christians, all people really. Being the target of your hate just makes me need to point it out to you.

    So have a good day. Post any information you have about all these rallies that are supposed to give the leftist ruling elite reason to finally do something real....Yes I repeat this argument almost daily here because NO ONE has yet to address it honestly. Unlike your arguments which I have answered with an opinion, the left's choice NOT TO CUT FUNDING is a stark reminder of their lack of conviction in their beliefs and is much more destructive to peace and freedom than anything else. No one ever honestly addresses this reality but always seems to just go back to the argument with an expiration date....

    "BUSH IS BAAAAAAAD"

    He ain't gonna be there for ever. This is war...life and death.....your side of the debate needs real leadership NOW, not in two years, leftists....get on it!

    Stop the war!......Cut the funds!
    Impeach Bush and Cheney!

    And this is my post today, the 1,560th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    Enlist, Phari-cee! Make an onest war-mongering Christianist our of yourself!!

    That is to say:

    Enlist, Phari-cee! Make an honest war-mongering Christianist out of yourself!!

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at September 16, 2007 8:16 AM

    "I see you as that Loin because you believe one thing, and in the heat of debate, say something else and I would predict in the end, do something else."


    I notice that most of you cookie-cutter righties react this way - someone from the many disparate positions on the left deviates in any way from Sean Hannity's charicature of a "liberal" and you assume that it represents hypocrisy on the part of your opponents. There are leftist cults, certainly, just as there are fascist cults (you being a true-believer in one of the larger ones) but many people on both halves of the continuum can and do think for themselves.

    The cult members can't seem to conceptualize any one being an ideological free agent, who does not recieve his opinion from the fetishized cult figurehead. But we do exist. Thiis is illistrated by the many defections in the past couple of years that have reduced the Republican party to Bush's 28 to 20% block of blockheads, that he uses with such cynical petulence to obstruct the clear will of the people.

    Chuck Hagel, also, just provided evidence of this capacity when he declared your fetish/president's recent use of General Petaeus as a decoy as being: "not only a DIRTY TRICK, but its DISHONEST, HYPOCRITICAL, DANGEROUS, and IRRESPONSIBLE.", and that Bush's policy in Iraq is "the WORST FOREIGN POLICY BLUNDER in our history."


    SLOB,

    So you, Kucinich, and Assad in Syria are not allies? Well, you speak for yourself and I believe you. But I must still consider Kucinich and Assad to be. As far as I know Dennis the Menace has never critricized Syria. Instead, he ha criticized the government of his own country from Syria. Therefore Kucinich and Assad must still be allies. That makes them on the same side. That's a bad thing.

    One more question for you about the people who run Syria: do you wish them success in all of their endveavors?

    Rico,

    Do you understand the meaning of the term "allies"? You really should drop this vapid line of argument. I've never seen Osama bin Laden explicitly criticize YOU in any of his polemics, therefore, you two must be allies.

    Not only did Fox News show the Democratic response, it had the highest ratings with the Democratic Response than did ANY of the other cable networks. Not only did Fox News have the highest ratings with the airing of the Democratic Response, the Democratic Response garnered more ratings than did Bush's speech or the analysis thereof of any channel. Now what were you ill-informed dumb asses saying again about Fox not showing the Democratic Response?

    "Yet the disgraced Cee won't ADDRESS the ...I'll be kind...the "incorrect" information his president tried to snow the American people with."

    Indeed, Why.

    For instance, I have several times posted a series of Bush mumblances that illustrate the moral entropy of His marvelous crusade in the Middle East. All cee has managed to say is "no; Bush's moral positions have been consistent". I guess its just the shit He SAYS that outlines the trajectory of a plane-crash:

    "Iraq will serve as a beacon; a beacon of freedom in a part of the world desperate for freedom and liberty." George W. Bush; December 19, 2005

    "Victory in Iraq is a government that can sustain itself, govern itself, and defend itself" George W. Bush; June 9, 2006


    "Iraq will be a society in which there is relative peace. I say relative peace because if there is, like, no car bombings it will never happen that way" George W. Bush; February 14, 2007

    "Either we'll succeed, or we won't succeed. And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down. Success is not no violence. ... But success is a level of violence where the people feel comfortable about living their daily lives." George W. Bush; May 2, 2007

    "If the standard of success is no car bombings or suicide bombings we have just handed those who commit car bombings a huge victory" George W. Bush; April 24, 2007.

    SLOB,

    Bin Laden and I have not hung out together. That's the difference.

    But are you now saying that Kucinich could show up in Bin Laden's cave and that is OK with you?

    It is amazing to me how you lefties get all bent out of shape when somebody asks you a couple of questions that you weren't expecting.

    I'll be kind...the "incorrect" information his president tried to snow the American people with

    Huh?
    Which "information" would this be?

    It is amazing to me how you lefties get all bent out of shape when somebody asks you a couple of questions that you weren't expecting.

    Posted by: Rico at September 16, 2007 11:25 AM


    Sorry Rico - but I'm not bent out of shape; I just don't have the energy to help you write your comic book.

    SLOB,

    You are a liar. Yes, you are bent out of shape over my questions. So here's another one for you:

    Kucinich supports the US going into Darfur to stop the killing. But only if we do it with a multi-national force. He has clearly stated that if no one would join the US in doing this, then we should stay out. In other words, let-em-die! Do you agree with Kucinich on this? Or is my question too simplistique???

    "Kucinich supports the US going into Darfur to stop the killing. But only if we do it with a multi-national force. He has clearly stated that if no one would join the US in doing this, then we should stay out. In other words, let-em-die! Do you agree with Kucinich on this? Or is my question too simplistique???"

    Posted by: Rico at September 16, 2007 11:57 AM

    This is a cynical straw-man, Rico. What Republicans advocate putting our forces into Dafur? Do you? What forces do we HAVE LEFT that COULD be sent?

    Yes, I agree with Kucinich. International diplomacy requires cooperation. When we make Kucinich our president I believe that many nations will flock to help us in such a humanitarian effort, as a show of support to an America making efforts to shed its rogue status and come to its senses.

    Currently, however, no country wants anything to do with us and our high priced piracy.

    SLOB,

    I do support the US going into Darfur, and alone if necessary. We don't have enough troops? We need a bigger military, then. Who downsized our military? Clinton and the Newt Gingrich congress downsized the military, in order to balance the budget. I guess balancing the budget has it's downside. But that was the "peace dividend", as Teddy Kennedy called it. That didn't work out too well.

    So you agree with Kucinich that we can't goin to Darfur alone? Could we have invaded Afghanistan alone? When can we do something alone, and when can we not?
    If person A is trying to kill person B, then person C can't stop it without D and E helping? WFT?

    People are being slaughtered in Darfur. Somebody has to do something. Caucasian people are killing black people there. If we weren't in Iraq would you then support us going solo, since we would have more troops available?

    Rico,

    Look at reality:

    Bush has squandered and stressed our huge military on an interminable invasion-of-choice in Iraq. This being the case - despite your opinion (a rare one in Republican circles) - any action in Darfur must remain wholly academic - we have no forces to commit and the Commander in Chief is not interested in the issue at all.

    The United Nations was wisely created to deal with such situations as faced by Darfur, because unilateral crss-border actions by any country - particular a Superpower - are viewed as, often justifiably, internationally suspect. Republicans have for decades undercut the UN to provide them with a political wedge-issue, this has predicatbly undercut our own influence - once immense - with that essential body.

    Three is absolutely no reason that the United States - run by an honest and rational administration - could not muster sufficient international support to successfully quell the depredations occurring in Darfur with a minimum of violence.

    "we have no forces to commit"

    And:
    "The United Nations was wisely created to deal with such situations "

    Hilarious.

    Um, how many forces does the UN have again?
    Answer: none to commit.

    Where do you idiots come from?

    SLOB,

    If our military is too small, why are you not calling for a bigger military?

    The UN has been, at best, a useless organization. They did terrific job in Rwanda, didn't they? When have they ever "stopped the killing"? Unless it was on an incredibly small scale, never.

    What if Hillary can't muster an international coalition to stop the killing in Darfur? Can she send in the troops then?

    "he United Nations was wisely created to deal with such situations as faced by Darfur,"

    Really?

    How much of the situation has the UN addressed?
    Why haven't they fixed it then?

    So Obama(D) and Paul(R) have received more financial donations from MILITARY workers than any other candidates.

    Hmmmm...What do you suppose that means?

    What do those two candidates have in common that appeals to military employees?

    Oh yeah, I know, ending the occupation of Iraq.

    Perhaps when we stick a mic in a military employee's face and want to get a quote on the record regarding the war....

    Maybe, just maybe we're not getting an unfettered view into their true feelings.

    You think?

    But, Neocons should know better, just follow the money if you want to know the truth.

    Hilarious!

    Gist: McCain comes out the winner, if you take the numbers as a serious indication of military support for either (which you should not take seriously). More people gave money to McCain, just less in donations than to Paul. Therefore, this insignificant result gives McCain more votes.

    http://alendalux.blogspot.com/2007/07/military-money.html

    Andrew Sullivan links approvingly to a blog called The Spin Factor that claims that Ron Paul leads in contributions from those employed by the military. Andrew gushes that Paul has a "staggering 52.53% of all military contributions." Taking the bait, I checked out the link and found that, sure enough, in dollar amount, Paul comes in first - with a grand total of $23,000. McCain comes in second with only two-thirds of what Paul has, at $15,000.

    Does this mean the military is turning on the war? Is the military being co-opted by the "stab-in-the-back righties," as Andrew puts it? Is a "staggering" percentage of the military flocking to the one anti-war Republican because they've been betrayed by the administration, as Andrew would have you assume? Well, not really.

    With a cursory search of the list of individual donors, you'll find Paul's military money comes from a total of 23 people (6 Army - including civilians, 9 Navy - including at least 1 civilian, 5 USAF, 1 USMC - which The Spin Factor forgot to search for and 2 Veterans Affairs employees), many of whom gave $1,000 or more each. Scrolling through the list of McCain donors will show, that while he may have a lower dollar amount, he has more than twice the number of donors employed by the military, at 55 (18 Army, 17 Navy, 11 USMC, 7 USAF and 2 Veterans Affairs employees). A cursory search finds only one of those is a civilian, employed by the US Navy Memorial, and one is a midshipman at the Naval Academy - Jack McCain IV.

    So Paul might be able to dive into his, err, thousands Scrooge McDuck style, and McCain's donors might not give as much, but in the end it's the votes that decide the candidate, and if we're going to infer anything from these numbers, it's that John McCain would beat Paul 55-23. That would mean the military is still in favor of aggressively pursuing victory in the war.

    But can you infer anything about the opinions of the military by these contributions? Of course not - it's taking an opinion poll of 78 people. It means absolutely nothing. Moreover, it's a total of 15,000 and 23,000 to the respective campaigns - statistically insignificant given the millions each campaign has raised. And, as The Spin Factor pointed out, this only takes into account those who listed their employer. But Andrew Sullivan is still going to link approvingly to it, probably without bothering to actually look at the data, simply because it validates his love affair with Paul, his opposition to the war and his hatred of the Bush administration.

    Guess what, SLOB? Bush/Cheney will not be impeached, nor will they be tried before the Hague. They will leave office, live their lives and die, not being held accountable. There is no afterlife in your belief system so they will have gotten away with everything you claim. Spitting on Cee will not change that. Typing away at your computer will not change that. An election of a President Kucinich will not change that. And the person with a lack of a moral code (or a defective one) who vandalized your car will not be held accountable either. You search for release of your anger here. Like that is effective. It is all an absurdity, as Camus would probably say.

    I'll just list one of the most laughable.

    Bush said that we have 36 countries fighting in Iraq.
    Fact check by the State Dept lists 25...but most of them only sending one single soldier.
    Posted by: Why don't you think at September 16, 2007 3:03 PM

    List of nations in the Coalition:
    USA
    UK
    Australia
    South Korea
    Poland
    Romania
    El Salvador
    Georgia
    Azerbaijan
    Bulgaria
    Albania
    Mongolia
    Czech Republic
    Denmark
    Armenia
    Macedonia
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Estoria
    Kazakhstan
    Moldova

    United Nations Assistance Mission in Iraq(UNAMI):
    Georgia
    Fiji
    Romania
    Denmark
    Canada
    New Zealand

    NATO-Sponsored Training of the Iraqi Police Force:
    USA
    Poland
    Denmark
    Netherlands
    Hungary
    Slovakia
    UK
    Portugal
    Norway
    Italy
    Czech Republic
    Slovenia
    Bulgaria
    Turkey
    Romania
    Lithuania
    Iceland
    Estonia

    Twenty countries have withdrawn since '04

    "If our military is too small, why are you not calling for a bigger military?"

    Are you volunteering to be drafted, then?

    If not, then you must really want to see massive rioting in every city in America. Because the only thing more widely unpopular than the war is the idea of a draft.

    WDYT can't admit that their lame and 'fraidy-cat leaders like Pelosi don't have the guts to lead this country. All they can do is criticize. It's news to them they are in power, hence, no impeachment. HA!

    The republicans in Congress are the only obstacles to impeachment...not the Democrats.

    Same with the Iraq War votes.

    learn a little.


    Posted by: Why don't you think at September 16, 2007 8:27 PM


    There's that little thing called "probable cause," too.

    Oh my mental midget (why)....you are simple, simple simple...

    First...I was not "MIA" yesterday.....I posted early, took my shower, and then went about my activities outside my home. I returned to OW just 10 minutes ago to see, once again, your stupidity.

    Let me repeat....You claimed there was screaming over the "internets" about Bush lying....Your posts are stories "fact checking"
    points of Bush's speech. There is no "screaming" or calls "Bush lied us into the surge!" The points of contention are minor, inconsequential to the President's conclusions and only fodder for the fringe far left who already think Bush is second only to Lucifer himself in evilness.

    Please put away your attempt to distract....your strawman is old and taddered....I could care less about your opinion about Bush....he will continue to wage the honorable fight in Iraq despite you and the 27%-ers. Your elite will endorce him with funds in about 2 months and I will gleefully watch you, wanna, Mike and Sir Loin of Milquetoast continue to WHINE about it.

    You showed your simplemindedness again, MM with....

    "The republicans in Congress are the only obstacles to impeachment...not the Democrats.

    "Same with the Iraq War votes."


    ###
    Wrongo....Any comittee with a majority vote in the House (all are run by your ruling elite) can enable an impeachment hearing....Your claim is false.

    Also, the war can be defunded with a majority vote in The House (again, the dems easily control that one) and The Senate could suspend the filibuster under "the nuclear option" a simple majority of senators could pass appropriations. If the President vetos the legislation, all the legislature has to do is continue sending different defunding appropriations until the current money dries up and Bush is forced to reduce the numbers in Iraq because of sheer lack of money. This could all transpire within months and we all could see the results of the fringe left's policy upon the Iraqi people...

    Stop the war....bring the troops home now!

    Ah, but yet your ruling elite dare not follow this truely prinicpled path in a matter of national security, war, life and death....Why?.....They are cowards, without great leadership and poor stewards of the great powers our founders set up for them to make such stands.

    Bush has you, mental midget. You call him liar, stuuuupid, evil, etc etc...And he still does what he deeply believes is right. And now, again, he will get the billions he needs to continue the policy because your ruling elite does not have the leadership skills to make YOUR kooky wishes a reality.

    Get some real debate skills, MM....calling me a hypocrite and chickenhawk has doe nothing in reality....I show you as simple sam everytime and you come back with the same stuff....And speaking of another simpleton.....

    Sir Loin of Milquetoast, I'll hopefully deal with your inanity later when I have more time.

    Ciao.

    You're a thick-headed old coot, Cee. The Republicans caused all kinds of harm over the Clinton PERSECUTION, and we've had a divided nation ever since. If the Democrats want to try to heal the nation and not do that kind of thing to Bush, even if he deserves it, then I say >

    I'm content to wait for a war crimes prosecution. Maybe GWB and OJ can share a cell and tell each other how everybody's against them. I'll even bake them some cookies.

    "I'm content to wait for a war crimes prosecution."


    ###
    If the radical left cannot muster a simple movement to cut appropriations for a war, then how can you expect the same unprinicpled hacks compose a way to bring Bush and Cheney up on crimes against humanity?

    Are you being silly on purpose or just as out of touch with reality as the mental midget, why?

    "The Republicans caused all kinds of harm over the Clinton PERSECUTION, and we've had a divided nation ever since."


    ###
    This is even more childish....Bill Clinton obstructed justice in a legal procedure with the powers and influence of his office and even some brave democrats in The House of Representatives agreed to codify his breach of public trust. The Congress provided oversight of the Executive in The only Constitutional way they could for the act of hubris Clinton tried to get away with....Impeachment. He was not removed from office nor did he resign because the fringe left stuck with him despite his horrible behavior....

    Again, I am not referring to his adulturous sodomy, which was pretty sad, in the Oval Office, but....

    The fringe left chose to overlook his manipulation of the justice system as the chief executive charged (and he took an oath, btw), to PROTECT it. Fine, a choice they made and continue to make to this day with their standing ovations and support of his wife. But the "divided nation" you lament works both ways and the Clinton dynasty will perpetuate it as a near majority (40%) will never have a positive view of Ms. Clinton.

    Sorry for this dose of reality, but your post was really silly, anon.

    "'Yet the disgraced Cee won't ADDRESS the ...I'll be kind...the 'incorrect' information his president tried to snow the American people with.'"

    "Indeed, Why.

    "For instance, I have several times posted a series of Bush mumblances that illustrate the moral entropy of His marvelous crusade in the Middle East. All cee has managed to say is 'no; Bush's moral positions have been consistent'."


    ###
    Oh, Sir Loin of Milquetoast, you are nearing mental midget's level of simplistic thinking! I thought you were a rational critical thinker unlike the mental midget who is only a mindless cut and paster from his favorite democrat party sites!

    Well, again, I addressed your argument with my own cut and paste of a primary source...Bush's address to The American Legion in August which got rave reviews from the Bush fetish veterans in attendance and is very specific on the moral imperative and national security implications of securing a democratic Iraq.

    Your quotes regarding Bush's specific responses to hypotheticals of what is "victory" is open to your interpretation, however simplistic and flawed it is. It is also open to the point of view that a secure Iraq that is "free" is not necessary one free from terrorist violence. Israel is a very easy example as is Lebannon. Lebanon is racked with terrorist influence because of your friend Syria's support of Hezbollah. Oh, didn't Sadam Hussein also support Hezbollah, Loin?....Wow, you and Kucinich once again show your ability to judge character!

    Despite the tactics of radical totalitarians, good people of faith continue to try to have free and open societies in The Middle East. Iraq has a government born from the democratic activity of its people and you want to just abandon it to fend for itself with Al Queda and other despotic terrorists ready to eliminate it.

    So I did answer your repeated question, Loin, correctly, specifically and even again. As far as why's attempt to change the subject from your ruling class' behavior to Bush's....I answered him also, easily, specifically and even repeatedly.

    The both of you, along with wanna (AAP), are just not cutting it. Ideologically Loin, I had a mistaken impression that you were passionate about the choices your leaders make, but if you are going to ally yourself with hacks like wanna and MM, I guess there is yet another reason to think you were not what you initially presented yourself as.

    Oh dear, my post awoke the comatose wanna (AAP)...how'd L work for Mr. Winkie last night, wanna?

    Wanna, Saddam Hussein posed a threat to the United States of America as documented under the authorization to use force passed by a bipartisan result in The House and Senate. Saddam Hussein was in violation of multiple UN resolutions that also allowed force as a remedy. Saddam Hussein was successfully removed and now a democracy is established in Iraq. Read the President's speech in August and he outlines all of this recent history....He received a standing ovation from the veterans for it!

    Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and pre-9/11 Afghanistan were not in violation UN resolutions or deemed a threat to the USA. George Bush has never said the reason for removing Saddam Hussein was because he wanted to bring democracy to Iraq....it was because he was a threat to our national security. Ms. Clinton, your ruling elite's leader, agreed with him at the time.

    So, wanna, dismantle yet another strawman and try again if you choose. I'll easily take care of you again.

    Oh I do enjoy the contrast of views between the left and the normal.....

    http://michellemalkin.com/2007/09/15/photoblogging-gathering-of-eagles-3-us-and-them/


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    9/11 was an inside job....

    USA #1 terrorist in the world....

    These are the 27%-ers represented here at OW by Loin, MM (why) and Wanna (AAP)! What brilliant critical thinkers!

    Impeach Bush & Cheney!
    Stop the war.....cut the funds!

    And this is my post today, the 1,561st day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    Good, wanna, you can cut and paste but you have a hard time with complex thought. Where in your quote of the great man does it say he intends to accomplish such a dream by use of US military force? The use of force, as outlined in the speech, was based on the specific threats outlined by the UN resolutions and US Congress legislation. Now that this threat was met....Saddam is gone, a democracy needs our support and it is a moral imperative that we do so. Complex, I know, Wanna, but just try to stay with me now (I know the blood flow may still be going to Mr. Winkie because of L, but your brain can still try!)....

    The success of Iraqi democracy could stand as an example that leads many, including those theocracies and military dictatorships you mentioned, go to the ideal of representative government. Are you disagreeing that people should be free to elect their governments, wanna?

    Are you against the freedom of religious expression?

    Oh yeah, that's right, you're a member of the American left....you only say you like democracy when in reality you are a thin-skinned mental midget wanna-be that doesn't even know what democracy really is.

    Please wanna, stop wasting my time, you are much to easy to put in place today.

    Oh dear Wanna, where in those quotes does it say Saddam Hussein was removed because Bush wanted to bring democracy to Iraq? You are showing simplicity even mental midget has yet to display!

    Again, wanna, post war Iraq in, "a broader context of the '2,500-year old story of democracy,'" does not support your claim that Bush said the reason for removing Saddam Hussein was because he wanted to bring democracy to Iraq.

    Please try again....and I will shoot you down again.

    Keep hitting your head, wanna, something may shake into normal.

    My response....see 9/17/07 10:59 AM

    Patsy's friends......


    GAZA CITY -- For years, the seaside Flower of the Cities resort was that rare place in the Gaza Strip where the dress code did not rule out bikinis. Now, with some of its cinder-block cabanas turned into prayer rooms, the beach club shows how Hamas is consolidating its hold here three months after seizing power.

    Bushy beards and black head-to-toe cloaks for women have become common at the club, which the armed Islamic movement torched in June after routing the secular Fatah party on the streets. The facility has been rebranded the al-Aqsa Resort, with a new logo featuring the revered mosque complex in Jerusalem next to a beach umbrella. Hamas followers collect the $2.50 entrance fee.

    A woman sits outside a closed store during a strike called by Fatah in Gaza, where Hamas has imposed a harsh version of Islamic law and used force to bolster its isolated administration.

    Like the party it supported, the bikini crowd has disappeared, leaving the trash-flecked beach and murky swimming pool to Bassem al-Khodori and a half-dozen other Hamas supporters, who now have jobs at the resort.

    Posted by: royal king at September 17, 2007 3:25 PM
    >>>>>>>>>
    What kind of stupid crap is that? You couldn't make a point with your left nipple, an ink pad and a Big Chief Tablet. Get one of those pyramid hats and capture an idea. Then, get back to us. No rush.

    You Pastor DUMBFUCK! I mean Phallu-Cee! ought to learn to incorrectly qualify your stupidity as you spear for your God/Moron in Chief Fetish. There is a spot in the W.H. press office waiting for you.

    George Bush has never said the reason for removing Saddam Hussein was because he wanted to bring democracy to Iraq.


    Posted by: George Bush has never said the reason for removing Saddam Hussein was because he wanted to bring dem at September 17, 2007 11:11 AM

    I think I owe RK an apology when it comes to you.

    You really are just a tedious juvenile delinquent who heckles this board anonymously, as well as under an endless number of nom du jours.

    Thepoint was "terrorism," asswipe. What was the point in your saudi post? None.

    No need to apologise, Cecelia, for whatever it was you said about me. I guess I didn't see it. No harm, no foul.

    No need to apologise, Cecelia, for whatever it was you said about me. I guess I didn't see it. No harm, no foul.
    Posted by: royal king at September 17, 2007 3:47 PM


    I didn't say anything about you, RK. I have just doubted that AAP is what you have said that he is.

    You're right. Sorry.

    Once you are labeled as one who is to be referred to

    IN CAPS

    or

    IN CAPS with I mean, I mean

    or

    IN CAPS WITH EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!

    or

    WITH LOL AFTER YOUR NAME IN CAPS

    or

    WITH A PROFAINITY IN CAPS PLUS THE !!!!

    or

    OR WITH WIPE IN YOUR NAME, IN CAPS WITH !!!!!

    by wanna (AAP), he loses control over any impulse control he still has left.

    THE MAN HAS SPOKEN!!!!!

    LOL
    LOL
    LOL

    hiccup, moo.

    WOW!!!!! AAP constant use of capitalization and exclamation points really makes me think he knows what he is talking about. It is almost as if he is yelling at me through his computer. I am sure his strong willed democrat leaders can hear he passionate typing all the way in Washington. The war will end soon with tuff guys like him on our side.

    "[MY WANNA GIVEN NAME IN CAPS WITH EXCLAMATION POINT] has even resorted to psychic diagnosis, casting plague and dictating morality upon mankind."


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    Oooo, yeah.....

    and based on your view of my previous post contents......

    I say the following about you wanna (AAP):

    1) You are afflicted with poor self image, penis envy and perhaps even OCD with tendancies towards, what Freud theorized as an Oedipus complex (don't worry, the knives aren't going after Mr. Winkie)....And I base my long distance diagnosis on your strange turn the other day to discuss "V" and "L" (common erectile dysfunction medications).

    2) I have prayed to the Judeo-Christian sky god and there will be a plague of locusts and silverfish coming upon you within the next 24 hours...or when the rooster crows....

    or when the cow moos.....

    boo, wanna!

    It won't be won by men who go "WOW!!!!!". I hope you're a Chicken Hawk setting on his ass somewhere in America. If you're fighting we're DOOMED!!!!!

    I didn't say anything about you, RK. I have just doubted that AAP is what you have said that he is.

    You're right. Sorry.

    Posted by: Cecelia at September 17, 2007 3:50 PM


    Gotcha. No prob. Indeed, patsy is a sick individual. I wish he would get on the right meds. If only his Dr. knew what he was doing....

    Wanna says....

    "Keep preaching....."


    ###
    Ok....

    "House Appropriations Defense subcommittee Chairman John Murtha (D-Pa.) said Monday that he expects that Republican lawmakers will begin abandoning President Bush’s Iraq policy after the GOP picks a presidential candidate next year.

    "'As soon as the primaries are over, you’ll see Republicans start jumping ship,' Murtha said in remarks at the National Press Club.

    "Murtha also predicted that, despite the unpopularity of Congress, Democrats will make broad gains in next year’s election because voters are upset with the war.

    "'People are frustrated, but you’re going to see a big Democratic increase,' he told reporters after his speech. "I think we’ll pick up 40 [to] 50 seats."


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    In only two quotes, the distillation of the left's ruling elite's version of leadership.

    Politics over all.

    Wait while more people die in a lost war that is making the US unsafe, wasting our money AND on top of all that.....immoral and based on lies, lies lies (even in the last speech, according to mental midget (why))....

    Why?....

    Because of potential gains in political power.

    What did I say in 11/06?.....

    The ruling left wouldn't pull the trigger on funding cuts then, and they won't now because they fear the political risks of standing by their rhetoric....

    The war is lost, get the troops home now.

    And like I said before, George Bush will continue to do the risky business of leading until his complete term in office....

    Not impeached and with full funding of the Iraq and Afghanistan war untouched.....

    Why?....

    Because of the political motives of the left's ruling elite.

    Oh well, when you're right, your're right.

    Keep the faith, January 2009 is coming leftists....then you'll have the whole enchilada and shows all all how it is done!

    Just like in 1977!

    And this is my post today, the 1,561st day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    Typo and forgot a point.....

    Keep the faith, January 2009 is coming, leftists....then you'll have the whole enchilada and show us all all how it is done!

    Just like 1977 through 1980!

    Also, just like 1993 through 1994!

    The war is lost, get the troops home now.

    Posted by:Below Average mexican Patsy at September 17, 2007 9:16 PM

    Classic liberal defeatist.

    ... you misspelled"realist"

    Oops...

    The folks who produced the so-called pro-war ad that didn't fetch air on msnbc and other haters, Freedom's Watch, is being sued by... Freedom's Watch?!

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2007/09/conservative_sues_probush_grou_1.php

    Classic liberal defeatist.

    +*+*+*+*

    Class war mongering Dickhead. Go to Iraq and fight or shut up. We don't need another home front antagonist.

    Class war mongering Dickhead. Go to Iraq and fight or shut up. We don't need another home front antagonist.

    Posted by: at September 18, 2007 1:15 AM


    How come there aren't any actual troops claiming we have lost? Oh, I forgot about the 10 that "why" posted that were being led or paid by Oliver Stoned. My bad.

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    Name the poster who used all of these cute little symbols today, win a prize!

    Name the poster who never served his country: Royal King. Now shut up.

    You just gave yourself away, patsy. Hook, line, sinker! "Olbyloon On", as they say in the fishing world.

    When did you serve? Just curious.

    So, you didn't serve. Just as I suspected.

    I can't answer for AVGAMPAT, who isn't me, Dipshit, but I finished ROTC, graduated and was shipped straight out while you stayed home and cruised bus station men's rooms. I hear your family served. Grannie turned tricks in the alley outside the USO in San Diego, huh? You must all be proud.

    I don't believe you served 3:37 because those who serve don't treat civilians like you just did. They are far more honorable, even if they disagree with others. They don't hold others' lack of service as a condition to decent treatment. Everybody serves in Israel. Perhaps you would be more content there.

    I come back to OW this morning to read another fine pointless post from wanna (AAP)....

    IN CAPS AND WITH EXCLAMATION POINTS !!!!

    I am so glad I have received the gold star treatment from one of OW's resident leftist dim bulbs.

    Do you and mental midget (why) have a rotation schedule to cover pointless responses, wanna?

    I will now go on to read the news of the day......I'll make sure the rapture did not occur while I was sleeping.

    Have a good one.

    MOO, WANNAWIPE!!!!!!!

    (Mmmm, wannawipe....I like it! New name!)

    Ooo, wannawipe (AAP)....are you ok after you run in with the taser yesterday?

    Student Zapped With Taser Caught On Tape

    http://www.local10.com/news/14138122/detail.html?rss=mia&psp=news


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    Damn fascist pigs, uh wannawipe? Tasering you like that! All you were doing was exposing the republithugs with their illegal election stealing and conspiracies!

    You made Sir Loin of Milquetoast proud!

    September 18, 2007 8:39 AM

    Thanks for the dumbass comment. Frankly, I don't give a damn what you think.

    ---

    Cee, I really think you need to get laid. You're one tightly wond dude. Don't get too hung up on having to pay. Not all of us are babe magnets.

    September 18, 2007, 8:39AM was not me...I never post "anon" unless in error....

    And I thought my last two posts were rather light-hearted and humorous. I am in a rather good mood this morning...even my wife made note of my sunny disposition.

    Thanks for your concern, anon. I don't think it would help for what ails me, but like I say quite often....

    "I can't hurt."

    "It can't hurt"

    Damn, Cee, if you're going to be a good sport, that trumps politics anytime. God knows I have known enough Liberal assholes ....

    Tell your wife she's lucky.

    Ever since AAP had his lobotomy he wanders in and out of lucidity (mostly out). The "hieroglyphics" above are a more pronounced manifestation of his unfortunate condition.

    Posted by: at September 18, 2007 5:49 PM


    Good analogy, anon, makes sense.

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    man, the creativty really sucks here. Where's the guy who did the "bird" flip off?

    Olbyloon Patterns


    Get a testicle or two !


    Posted by: Why don't you think at September 18, 2007 8:25 PM

    WHAT? NOT GROWN AN OVARY YET?

    Posted by: Average American Patriot at September 16, 2007 9:32 PM

    Good analogy, anon, makes sense.
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    Where's the analogy Dickhead? All I see is some stupid analysis by some numbnuts, about a numbnuts, for a numbnuts. What's the point? Get lost.

    Still jumping up and down claiming Bush lied, mental midget?.....and to what consequence did these "lies" come to?......

    Nothing.

    Silence from the main stream media, silence from the democrats in Congress, silence from even the nuttiest of leftist websites....

    I looked, and only found passing references to the discrepancies you still find so compelling to try to distract the discussion with, not "screaming on the internets" like you claimed mental midget.

    I do not have to address an avenue of discussion someone else posts if I chose not to, mental midget...You chose not to address your lie about FOX NEWS not airing the democrats' response and did I continue to pester you about it? No. I simply move on allowing others to judge how intellectually honest you are.

    If people take away from Bush's speech that he is lying or dumb....fine....but I look at the situation and see Bush's position as no different than in 1/07 when the left took over congress....he is as strong as ever in pursuing freedom and democracy in Iraq despite the total lack of support from the left and the back and forth of the middle......25-30% still support this president including most of the military and those bravely serving....I am glad I am amonst those instead of the defeatists and losers.....like yourself, mental midget.
    The numbers of troops are HIGHER than they were when the left obtained control and it continues to be.....Why, mental midget?

    And the ironic thing is Bush will get all the funding he requests without one real impediment to his policy decisions.....nonenforcable timelines, etc will not change one thing. The only way to achieve the left's objectives is to cut the funding....

    And the left's ruling elite is too cowardly to do it.

    Come on now, mm.....address my point.....your leaders will fund a war that is immoral and wrong....Why?

    Why do they wait as people die, mm?

    Come on now, answer my question.

    Please. You are unable to because you can't think on your own and have no ability to break from the democrat party line.

    You are a mindless shill, mental midget.

    And to add icing to my post that it's about the congress needing to take REAL action, mental midget....

    PEW Research Finds Democrat Leaders Not Going Far Enough

    "By nearly two-to-one, more say Democratic leaders in Congress are not going far enough, rather than too far, in challenging Bush's policies in Iraq (42% vs. 22%). A quarter of Americans believe that Democratic leaders are handling this about right.

    "Opinions about the Democrats' approach on Iraq have been largely stable since March. However, somewhat fewer Republicans say Democratic leaders are going too far than did so in July (50% today vs. 63% then). The current balance of opinion among Republicans is closer to where it stood in June and March.

    "Meanwhile, a 61% majority of Democrats think Congress is not doing enough, up from 54% in July. And by a wide margin, independents also would like to see Congress do more to challenge Bush on Iraq. Currently, 48% of independents say Congress is not going far enough in challenging Bush's Iraq policies, up from 43% in July."


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    And what would "more" be, mental midget? If they look and see simple legislation is impossible to pass, your brave leaders should be really doing something tangable, like cutting funds. Oh, but there would be political risks to that! Oh, no! We can't accept POLITICAL RISKS, can we now!

    He, he, he...I love seeing the left in the same position it was in during the Vietnam era.....the radical ideology willing and able to destroy America and the political elite wringing its hands not doing anything real......Oh, but there is Bush not willing to make it easy for the left's ruling elites....he is not going to do their dirty work for them....they will have to pull the troops out and be the ones to explain how totalitarianism was allowed to gain victory.

    Yep. This is the long lens of history 50, 100 years from now when the study of the erosion of American democratic idealism after 1975 is examined....and the radical left is seen as what they truly are....anti-freedom and anti-American.

    And the news just keeps getting better for the left's ruling class.....

    Congressional approval at 11%!!!!!

    LOWEST EVER! Even when the republicans ran the show....never as low!.....

    "Only 29 percent of Americans gave Bush a positive grade for his job performance, below his worst Zogby poll mark of 30 percent in March. A paltry 11 percent rated Congress positively, beating the previous low of 14 percent in July.

    "'I think we are seeing an anti-institution mood here,' he said. 'Post-Katrina, and now with Iraq and the economy getting worse, people just don't have faith that anybody is solving their problems.'"


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    Oh yes...."anti-institution" And who are the left trusting onto the stage as their presidential candidates.....2 current US Senators who are part of that 11% approval rating and the leaders of the established leftist ruling elite.....

    Oh, the 2008 Presidential race is going to be a fun one to watch.

    You're right about the Congress not doing what the American people elected it to do. I know there's not much to be accomplished. The Republicans obstruct each and every effort to save the lives of our troops. They (the Repblicans now in Congress) are the piss-sorriest bunch of men and women we have ever had in Congress.

    I actually think the American people would be behind honest efforts to end this war, especially after the bombs Bush and his appendage Petraeus set off last week. What a PR failure that was.

    I'm not going to let the Democrats off, however. I expect the Republicans dismiss our troops and our veterans as useless numbers, just like they so shamelessly did in Georgia. I'll never forgive Rove for what he did to Max. But, I did expect the Democrats to have more spine.

    I think you're living in fool's paradise when you say:

    [Bush] is as strong as ever in pursuing freedom and democracy in Iraq ....

    I've never seen or heard anything that made me feel this was about anything but Bush's damn ego. I don't believe a damn word he says. I'm mad as hell we are having men and women killed so he can prove to himself he's a man. He missed his chance to do that in the 1960's and 1970's. Damn pantywaist.

    I also think you're dead wrong about the troops. I don't know if you ever served, but I talk to my son, my buddies and their sons, and I'm not finding overwhelming support of this war from them. They seem to think like I do that this doesn't serve any purpose at all. We leave some day, Iraq splits and becomes Talibanesque. That's not worth a single American life in my view. Because of their sense of duty most of them aren't going to go public with protests. That doesn't mean they support this war or this President.

    I can't ask this, but I wish you'd stop the flag-waving routine, Cee. You can be patriotic without it, and I think it's in bad taste right now.

    Anyway, right about the Democrats in Congress ....

    Sorry anon, but General Petraeus and the rank and file soldiers who interact with the freedom thirsty Iraiqs see a noble cause in what they are doing....Trying to secure a democracy in the face of terrorist totalitarianism.

    The radical left wants immediate withdrawal....Bush will not do it....and he is the executive charged by The US Constitution to orchestrate the policy. The Congress controls the money and continues to fund the policy.....Simple and straightforward...if the left wants the war ended now....Cut the funds.

    11% approval ratings show that the tactics on the part of the democrat leadership has failed.....Cutting the funds is the only way to affect the policy....Bush can veto any legislation and there is no way "timetables" are enforcable if the money is forthcoming.
    He cannot force the Congress to appropriate money for a conflict....it is unconstitutional.

    The political risk in holding funds is the selfish reason the left's ruling class is not pulling that trigger and it is shameful!

    So anon, as a believer (part of the 30%) in Bush's policy and 100% supporting General Petraeus and the rest of the troops, I simply disagree with your cynical conclusions regarding the fight against Al Queda and other radical islamists in Iraq. No flag waving here....just agreement that freedom and democracy is better than theocracy and oppression.

    My mistake I guess. I didn't know we went to Iraq to fight Al Qaeda. In fact, I didn't know Al Qaeda was in Iraq until after we got there. Did Petraeus say that right after he said he didn't know if the war was making us safer at home? Did Bush say that right after he said he supported the Petraeus plan he had written? I might have missed that. I got a pretty bad case of the runs during the Petraeus testimony, then again during the Bush speech. Maybe I was on the thunder throne.

    So, the Mexicans stop selling oil to the US. We invade. We install a puppet government headed by some intolerant prick, say El Presidente Si. The Mexican people rise up. > So, we then invaded Mexico to fight the "terrorists" who want to see Si gone and are destabalizing the country? I get it. Viva a Si!

    Thanks for clearing up my thinking. I got a pimple on my butt I need cleared up. Come on over I'll show you.

    Anon, what are you talking about?

    Al Queda is in Iraq and facts show the most spectacular and largest death toll terrorist attacks are by them.

    Anti-government Shia militia use terrorist tactics to accomplish their goal to achieve a theocracy like Iran.

    The "people" you so easily dismiss elected a government in free elections and show they want a representative form of government....why do you want to abandon them to the extremists, anon?

    If we're there for 50 years, after 50,000 Americans are killed, 1 day after we leave, the situation will be no better. You know that. Petraeus knows that. Bush knows that. The moment we leave, a blood bath becomes a torrent.

    Of course you still didn't deal with the fact that Al Qaeda is in Iraq now, but it wasn't there when we invaded and it wasn't there when we began the occupation.

    Sorry, Pops, but I don't view young American men and women as expendable, and I'm sorry you and you beloved president do.

    "If we're there for 50 years, after 50,000 Americans are killed, 1 day after we leave, the situation will be no better. You know that. Petraeus knows that. Bush knows that. The moment we leave, a blood bath becomes a torrent."


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    No I do not know that, and you have no evidence that Petraeus or Bush believe that garbage. In fact, if that was the case, I am sure the honorable and professional General Petraeus would have made that clear during his confirmation hearings....He did not and made it clear he thought Iraq ccould achieve a stable state that the government could function in and was confirmed unanimously by the left's ruling elite.

    Your simple minded tripe is sad, anon. No, I think Iraq could achieve great things if the extremists are defeated and the representative government is given due time to establish itself. You want to abandon it to totalitarianism, fine that is your right to believe....many disagree with your worldview.....and have the power to stop you from affecting such an immoral policy.

    Keep the pressure on your ruling elite to withdraw the troops immedietely, then anon....and like I said, that can only be done if you cut the war funding. Good luck with that....your ruling elite do not seem ready to take any political risk and lead you to your wanted result....

    Unlike those I support....

    Bush is doing just fine in my opinion, standing against those who want him to flip and pull the troops....good job, President Bush!

    Well Pops all I can conclude is you have a very low opinion of our democracy and our troops. It is sad that an American would feel that way about the US and those who defend it. It is disappointing. It does explain how we got in this mess. I do believe most Americans have a higher opinion of out democracy and those who defend it. So, I think we will prevail.

    No, my low opinion is about a fringe group called the American left who's ruling elite, the democrat party, has only their own political comfort in mind when any decision is faced.

    I have great respect and faith in those who put country over party and see great and noble causes like the fight against totalitarianism as vital to our national security.

    The democrat party is not walking their talk and that is a sad thing...and a dangerous thing for democracy. They should have cut the funds in January, but they allowed the surge to move forward and now they stand again, constitutionally able to do what their leftist fringe demands, and we get more timidity.

    No anon, I have a great opinion about the American democratic system and proudly support our troops, our President and those representatives honestly trying to aid the Iraqi people in their pursuit of democracy. One such democrat is Joe Lieberman..... another is Bob Kerrey.....these democrats are unusual for standing against their radical fringe elements and for our troops.

    Too bad the rest of the lot are not able to find any leadership in themselves.

    Maybe you and Holy Joe can share a foxhole. Be sure to bring your own kevlar. Not that you'll need it, Iraq being such a place of peace and tranquility thanks to Petraeus and the Surge. Be safe though. Joe doesn't share.