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"COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)
Host: Keith Olbermann
Topics/Guests:
Keith Oralmann bellowed the trademark opening spiel: The Petraeus report, protesters, "a cheap sales job", and the American government "in crisis" [Ding!]. Plus Larry Craig (yet again!), Britney, and more. It's another Monday at Olbermann Watch.
#5: The mic didn't work at first for Petraeus, and that was a "metaphor" [Ding!]. Clips of the mic not working. Petraeus "made the claim" that his words "were entirely his ooon". Sounds like Bathtub Boy is getting ready to attack the US military again, doesn't it? Sure enough, recent events "hyped endlessly" had "nothing to do with the surge". KO cited a vague statement from six months ago as his "proof" (Blue Blog Source: AmericaBlog). Clip of Gary Ackermann (D) hectoring Petraeus. Clips of (R) Congressmen questioning the general? Zero. On-screen graphic: "Four Star Spin". The Pundit for All Occasions parrotted OlbySpin even when KO brought up the "General Betray Us" ad from moveon: the best they could do was "attack the left wing".
Stop the tivo! Where was Herr Olbermahn's outrage over a decorated General being attacked, his patriotism impugned, with the implication that he was a Benedict Arnold and a traitor? Hasn't Olby railed against people for "impugning" someone's patriotism? Let's check the record:
Of course, it's perfectly acceptable for Keith Oralmann to inpugn the patriotism of Republicans, as when he called the current administration un-American, or when he said "Mister" Bush favors politics over patriotism. Perhaps this is why he did not get all indignant, he did not do a special education komment against moveon.org for smearing Gen Petraeus with the implication that he is a traitor. Well maybe he'll put moveon in the "worst person" segment. We'll see, but don't bet your house on it.
But we digress. Howie got Great Thanksed and after an O'Reilly falafel reference (attack #292) it was on to #4: Petraeus is just a spinner and a salesman, and to drive it home Monkeymann brought on a true expert: ultra-left drama critic Frank Rich. Petraeus's appearance? A "pre-fab sales job". We don't have to accept his report. Olby said it's "another sales job" coming up re Syria and Iran, and sure enough the theatergoer went right along. Olby came up with one of his classic smears: Petraeus is a "once-respected" military leader. Yeah, we couldn't make this stuff up if we tried. A few words about Colin Powell plus Olby begging to find a way to cut off funds for the war, as requested by Usama Bin Laden, the show reviewer got Great Thanksed.
After another O'Reilly attack (with loofah [Ding!]) in which KO used nonstandard ratings to concoct a nonexistent demo win over the eevil Mr Bill (see below for the truth), we finally came to #3: another meeting of the Olbermann Criminal Rehabilitation Project, with its star pupil, John Dean. Richard Nixon [Ding!]. VietNam [Ding!]. Again Olby repeats UBL's plea for Democrats to act. Two more Nixon references [Ding!][Ding!]. Neocons [Ding!]. VietNam [Ding!]. Nixon [Ding!]. The felon himself got to speak, and it was the usual tripe. The government is "broken", yada yada. Same old, same old. Olby claimed Bush got us into war "without bothering to consult the legislative branch". Gawd, is he really this idiotic? Is he actually this dense? Hey Bathtub Boy, have you forgotten that the Congress debated on and voted approval for military action? How in the wide world of sports can that possibly be called "without bothering to consult" Congress? Are you really this ignorant and stupid? Apparently so. The disbarred lawyer went on to echo Bin Laden again, and as a reward he was Great Thanksed.
#2: Larry Craig; #1 Britney Spears. In the Media Matters Minute, Brit Hume of "Fox Noise" [Ding!] (Blue Blog Source: Media Matters), John Gibson and Greg Gutfeld of "Fox Noise" [Ding!], and Andy Card (R). Note: we address the smear of Gibson and Gutfeld in a separate post. There's just too much Olby goodness to squeeze in here.
Dogs That Did Not Bark: We're now into the, what, the second week of the Hsu (D) fundraising scandal. And on OlbyPlanet, it remains The Great Story Never Told. The latest is that Hillary Clinton (D) now has to give back nearly a million dollars scarfed up for her by the discredited criminal bagman. Yet we all know where Keithy keeps his head, and it may be smelly in there, but that's where Hillary wants him, and he's happy to oblige.
Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name is #29,037, while "Culture Warrior" is #4,244. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) Barnes & Noble seems to have given up even trying to find a ranking for the dud OlbyTome; O'Reilly's book is #1,808 there, and is one of the top five books of 2006 per Publishers Weekly. Keefy, true to his tradition of hyping the nonexistent, made it a point to crow over his Friday night ratings, where, he says, he beat Bill O'Reilly. Um, the truth: Keith Oralmann lost again to the eeevil Mr Bill both in total viewers and in the coveted, pivotal, much-beloved, critical, all-important "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 4 [GUARDED]
Olbytard hates our troops and the victims of 9/11 and other al Qaeda attacks. Why does NBC keep this loser on the air in any capacity?
"Dogs That Did Not Bark: We're now into the, what, the second week of the Hsu (D) fundraising scandal. And on OlbyPlanet, it remains The Great Story Never Told. The latest is that Hillary Clinton (D) now has to give back nearly a million dollars scarfed up for her by the discredited criminal bagman. Yet we all know where Keithy keeps his head, and it may be smelly in there, but that's where Hillary wants him, and he's happy to oblige."
Real mature, Johnny. Are you 10 or something?
I'd could make the same argument that Olbermann spiked the story about one of Mitt Romney's fundraisers (Alan Fabian) being indicted on 23 counts for a $32 million fraud scheme he operated while raising money for Romney. By your logic, Keith must support Romney because that story has never crossed the wires of Countdown.
You see how stupid that makes your argument look?
How much of that money went to the Romney campaign, Einstein? Fabian pocketed the cash; he was a thief. Hsu is a corrupt felon who raised dirty money for Dems, including Hillary. If Romney took a million dollars of dirty, illegal money, you know Olbermoronn would be all over it. But for Hillary, he spikes it.
You should piece together all the insults that the "deplorable one" hurled at Petreaus as well as the cutesy graphics....
What a disgraceful performance by Olby attacking a 4 star general. What hatred for America that comes from this man.
Now NBC is showing the whackos during the hearing.....Funny, how NBC wont show a whacko running on the football field, but they will play the clip over and over again on MSNBC of the disruption during the hearing.
NBC News IS AL JAZEERA @ 30 ROCK.
Are those Speshul Comments for sale yet?
Maybe Keithy can combine his regular audience with the Al Jazeera coverage of his speshul comments to finally beat O'Reilly.
What an unpatriotic motherfucker.
He must have the biggest crush on O'Reilly. Could he be any more jealous of him?
And on top of it Bill won't mention him on his show, which drives this far-left bastard crazy.
Any country other than this one that he HATES so much would have got him for treason by now.
Can't wait til he is forced off NBC's football show. You can already tell the others don't want him there.
Spectacular speed on the recap Johnny... but can't you just DVR it and catch it later so you only spike his 'contrived' ratings
If I were in a Nielsen household I would quit the site and never do another recap.
That's very funny Johnny...Let's hope you are never recruited for ratings research
Nice recap.
L.F.
Did he really boast about his own ratings? And the loons pretend this fool-child isn't primarily fueled by his own ego. Best website on the planet for exposing liberal hypocrisy- keep it up!
I'd could make the same argument that Olbermann spiked the story about one of Mitt Romney's fundraisers (Alan Fabian) being indicted on 23 counts for a $32 million fraud scheme he operated while raising money for Romney. By your logic, Keith must support Romney because that story has never crossed the wires of Countdown.
You see how stupid that makes your argument look?
Posted by: at September 10, 2007 9:58 PM
He would have a weekend special (sat and sun) of countdown if this were true. Nice try, though.
It's so obvious how unwelcome he is on the NFL show. Everyone knows the stench and bias of that Olbermann brings with him.
Poor Costas....He's a reputable guy and has to share a microphone with the deplorable one.
There are some very nice, fair minded, hard working people at NBC News. It's a shame the management has propped Olby up at the alter of greed.
He's Edward G Robinson in the Ten Commandents....They are all partying around the golden 25-54 demographic.
He'll go down one day....hard. He'll put his foot way down his mouth and won't be able to climb out of it.
Very very sad....But that's America.
He's free to bellow...and bellow he does.
deep down, he must be very insecure.
He's done a good job of getting America to hate him.....
How come the loons can't ever seem to understand apples to oranges logic? Nameless shows pure idiocy with his textbook comparison of Romney and HClinton. C'mon- do you really buy your own horseshit?
"If I were in a Nielsen household I would quit the site and never do another recap."
Quit anyway. Actually, go find a deep hole and throw yourself in. Then you'll never have to put up with someone you obviously have a vendetta against.
Yep 2 weeks and KO and much of the MSM refuses to address how ONCE AGAIN the Clinton's are caught dealing with "funny money" from an criminal source...But what do you expect Clinton is KO's candidate he's never going to do a negative story about her no matter what she dose.
By the way I notice on some other web site talking about KO little attack on FOX (and how their worst than Terrorist) that the word is out to the Daily Kos types to try to protect the "Bathtub Boy"....
You know KO stepped in it when "Screw them" Markos has to send the troops out to defend him...I mean the Kossacs really don't have the time..afterall they have to prepare for tomorrow and their 9/11 celebrations with all their postings reminding everyone that Bush,Halliburton and the Jews were behind the attacks and not that "Freedom fighter" Bin Laden.
Feechie-
He has flirted with the Imus fire for the last six months... yet continues to flourish because of liberal hyposcrisy. He has been over the line far more than Don Imus, but has been careful not to get racist. He just slanders the jews, christians, military and the elite majority. Thats OK with the lefties.
Was Olbermann bellowing about the final 15 minutes again? I see that Abrams jumped on the propaganda bandwagon and touted olby's victory over O'Reilly.
Hey whatever happened to actual malice?
Oh, I forgot how he layed into the gays when the Craig affair came out...
Keith doesn't hate all gay people, just the ones who disagree with his point of view
So
Republican gays are sexual deviants
Democratic gays are swell
Keith and Danny think they are modern day Woodward and Bernstein's....
They are redefining journalism for the worse.
They are filling the void created when the WB network folded after defining mediocrity on television.
He's Edward G Robinson in the Ten Commandents....They are all partying around the golden 25-54 demographic.
Posted by: Little Feechie at September 10, 2007 10:17 PM
Woe unto you oh Israel, for you have committed a great sin in the eyes of the Lord. Whoever's on the Lord's side, let him come to me. Those who will not live by the word of God,…… shall die by it.
Sorry, I just had to finish the rest of that scene.
I think the fact that Tiki Barber was on The Factor tonight speaks volumes about what Tiki thinks of Olbermann and his "great ratings".
If a Democrat had started this war, the Libs would be all for it. They like to ignore the fact that the Dems voted for it. Now olbermann's supporters are all claiming it's 100% true that Fox News is more dangerous than Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and were "responsible for the war". No you mental midgets, that would be the people who voted to go to the war, including the Democrats. And as I recall, all of the news networks, all the cable news networks, including a guy named Keith Olbermann were all right there. Where was his "courage" then? Why wasn't he asking questions then? Because he was as much for it as everyone else was for it. He's only gained courage when it became politically and ratings expedient for him to do so. There is no bigger hypocrite than KO and no bigger fools than his stupid, mentally challenged and according to him, Leona Helmsley ugly fans.
I was dismayed by the oppositions reaction to today's report. That is not to say that report General David Patraeus is not to be taken with a somewhat sceptical view. While he is by no means the lap dog of the bush Administration nor a part of some grand un-patriotic neocon conspriacy as some of those on the extreme left have tried to paint him as. I support MoveOn.org's right to say what they said, but at the same time would hope it would recieve condemnation from most of the rational public. Cleary, moveon is not a fan of the war, and views Patraeus as an extension of what they percieve to be a failed policy to try and stabalize a devastated Iraq. If they feel that way, call him wrong. Call his policies evil. Call his beliefs the manifestation of some kind of disembodied anti-christ. But please, don't question his commitment to this countru to the extent of actually suggesting (and no folks, posting it as a question doesn't somehow alleviate wrongdoing) that General Patraeus would actually be a traitor to his own nation, or betrayer of the people he is charged with defending (or in the case of Iraq, charged with fixing our mistakes.)
Anyway, getting back to the Patraeus Report, scepticism is more than reasonable given Patraeus' commitment with victory in Iraq. Again, i do not believe he is a parrot of Bush, he is after all in my opinion one of the few men appointed to any position within the Bush controlled government who appears to have reached that position by being the most qualified. But he is still a military leader. And these guys don't like to lose. And while i am sure we can all agree that their refusal to submit is part of what makes them so great, and that we are all of us better off because of it, it doesn't always make them the best source to get your information from. So a reasonable amount of scepticism is expected, in fact, it is necessary. Necessary to ensure that what is presented is factual, and to ensure that our system of government is not led by a congress of conformists.
But the key quote is "reasonable scepticism". And it was clear not just from the onset of the actual report, but in fact many days in advance of it, that reasonable scepticism was taking the week off in Washington. Biden's assertion of Patraeus being "dead, flat wrong", based solely on early media reports that Patraeus' Report would be upbeat. Biden had no numbers that the General would give. No specific examples that he would present. Yet knew that Patraeus was "Dead, Flat Wrong." Dead. Flat. Total. Complete. Utterly. With not a single ioda of truth. (An interesting assertion for a man whose own solution to the iraqi quagmire would likely require similar troop levels to ensure safe pilgrimage of the sects and enforcement of new borders and is just as questionable a policy as the new bottom-up theory.)
It is clear that those who now control the Democratic party (and yes, that is excluding many democrats) had their minds made up before Partraeus ever sat down. And it is now even the more clear that this war is effectivly over. The time required will not be given. The resources necessary will not be allocated. This report, which i had hoped would at least buy time for at least some kind of "post surge strategy" to be adopted, was never even given a chance. This session, which was billed as our top military commanders one chance to tell us how he can fix our mistake. How he can pull from this nightmare something that resembles a stable Iraq, an adequate replacement for the stability WE toppled. This report was supposed to be about how even with years of presidential neglect, Patraeus could show us all what America is capable of when committed to a sound military strategy to go along with the amount of manpower and resources necessary that should have been in Iraq years ago. Chiefly, It was supposed to be about the Iraqis themselves. How there sacrafices could not go unnoticed, as they have so much recently in Washington.
But instead this report was not about any of that. It was about politicians telling a General about all the mistakes made years before he ever came into his position. It was about Percieved Intellectuals telling a Military Man about how bad his boss is.
It was about the failures of Iraqi political leaders (without so much as a mention of the irony that while we bemoan how our own leaders failed us and left us with the mess that is Iraq, we are more than happy to pass that same mistake on to iraqis for the same reasons. I guess when our leaders screw up, its reflective of only them, but when iraqi leaders screw up, well that reflects failure on the part of the whole population. The same population that will pay the price.)
The session was about poll numbers, both american and iraqi, that are somehow supposed to be an accurate indicator of whether America should be in Iraq or not. Iraqi's dont think the surge is working. I guess that means come home. Not try to find other ways to improve security, but abandon all attempts. Iraqis want Americans to leave. Of course they do. So do I. So do you. They are being occupied for christsake. Thats a pretty natural response.But before we are so quick to free Iraqis from the bonds of unjust imperialism as our founding fathers did so nobly for us, we might want to relize that this isn't the American Revolution. There is no continental congress in Iraq just waiting to restore order and peace and justice once were gone. There is no unity whatsoever, besides the tiny thread that is our troop presence, which while stretched terribly thin, still manages to hold it all together with thier skills and their sacrafices, along with some of the finest examples of bravery and heroism in the human history.
Most of all, this joint session was about elections. Plain and simple. I believe I have lost all of what minor confidence i had in political leaders. Iraq is lost. Patraeus would be wise to train to as many iraqis as fast and as well as possible before his time is up (we'll be out before the elections) and try his damndest to instill in them some sense of national unity. I can only hope against hope that whatever we leave behind in the Iraqi Army will at least be able to put up a fight, and not fold at the first sign of setbacks. But in reality, i doubt that.
I dont even know what else to say. I am truly, for the first time in my life, ashamed of America. Both for launching this war, and not being accountable afterward. The former being blamed totally on Bush, and the latter being blamed on Iraqis. And with no blame even remotely directed at ourselves, The nation that elected the incompetent prick (whether you voted for him or not.), and the nation that turned Iraq world into killing field with no security. But i guess thats their fault.
This nation must have forgotten the meaning of accountability a long time ago, cause if it hadn't, we'd have an impeached president and unyielding commitment towards rebuilding Iraq.
But instead, were gonna get a failed state and Hillary Clinton.
MR. DOLLAR,
I HATE TO 'OUT' YOU LIKE THIS, BUT I FOUND A VIDEO OF YOURSELF ON YOUTUBE AND I'D LIKE TO SHARE IT WITH YOUR READERS SO THEY CAN HAVE A VISUAL OF THE MAN BEHIND THE MONITOR.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8iBG_0du7gU
If a Democrat had started this war.
Posted by: at September 10, 2007 11:19 PM
Hell yes they would support it. If this was Bill Clinton's war, they would all be flag waving patriots. Based on the liberal’s logic about Iraq, I would like to know how they justify the U.S. involvement in the Bosnian War. If a democrat is elected and pulls the troops out of Iraq and Iran then invades Iraq, how would a democrat justify attacking Iran?
Posted by: This Site is Weak at September 10, 2007 11:39 PM
Here one for you.......dude.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ypa75axdK6o
Don't bother to email us about how much Olbermann sucks. Your email will bounce back to you. We don't want to hear from you. We hate you. That's why we foist Olbermann on you. Enjoy!
Posted by anony:
"Olbytard hates our troops and the victims of 9/11 and other al Qaeda attacks. Why does NBC keep this loser on the air in any capacity?"
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Because they are a sinking shit and you know it's bad when you have to use a bigoted piece of shit like this to save your ass. NBC is too stupid to know people are getting tired of biased reporting and flame throwers.
Posted by a dumbass anonymous:
"You see how stupid that makes your argument look?"
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Replied Johnny Dollar:
"How much of that money went to the Romney campaign, Einstein? Fabian pocketed the cash; he was a thief. Hsu is a corrupt felon who raised dirty money for Dems, including Hillary. If Romney took a million dollars of dirty, illegal money, you know Olbermoronn would be all over it. But for Hillary, he spikes it."
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Thanks for stopping by you fucking idiot.
Posted above:
"Can't wait til he is forced off NBC's football show. You can already tell the others don't want him there."
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Talk about your misplaced fags. The man looks like a dork especially the way they have him sitting off by himself. I wouldn;t be surprised if Costas has a distance clause in his contract so that fuck doesn't get close to him. It is hillarious. Obly is one goofy looking fuck. It's hard for me to not laugh at this freak. You can tell when Collinsworth and the 'Bus" look at him they are thinking "Why is this pussy on our show". It's clear as day they do not want him there.
Then they have the players table. I personally do not like Costas. Every show he tries to spin a one liner that will go down in the halls of one liners like "Do you believe in miracles" and fatass Peter King is no better than Olby. You have the players table and you have the fag table.
Posted by Benson:
"Feechie-
He has flirted with the Imus fire for the last six months... yet continues to flourish because of liberal hyposcrisy. He has been over the line far more than Don Imus, but has been careful not to get racist. He just slanders the jews, christians, military and the elite majority. Thats OK with the lefties."
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You left out faggots.
A few months ago before the last election some religious group held a conference attended by a few Republicans. A Bishop made some remarks about faggots. Olby ripped his ass the next week showing clips from the conference. What he left out was a photo of the Bishop. He was black. Olby fuck knew if it were a black man that it would have taken the edge off with his stupid white audience. He wanted the viewer to aaume he was white. Mike Moore 101.
Hell yes they would support it. If this was Bill Clinton's war, they would all be flag waving patriots. Based on the liberal’s logic about Iraq, I would like to know how they justify the U.S. involvement in the Bosnian War.
Posted by: The Factor at September 10, 2007 11:43 PM
You're comparing Bosnia with Iraq? A clear attainable mission; no American troops killed; and complete, rapid success versus five years of failure after failure; fundamentally shifting goal-posts; and rising detah tolls for both Americans and those we claim to be protecting??
Quick victory is failure for the MIC's perspective, because the billing is stopped.
"If a democrat is elected and pulls the troops out of Iraq and Iran then invades Iraq, how would a democrat justify attacking Iran?"
I say we leave and beg Iran and Syria to take the lead in a coalition of Muslim nations - paid for by the US and by the Bush and Cheney family and corporate fortunes - establishing stability in Iraq.
Petraeus sells his integrity.
What a load of crap he's laying out. The drop in violence in Anbar is his only evidence of "success" for the surge. He says that 6 months ago no one could have predicted such success by this time - yet around 8 months ago, before the surge, he himself reported great progress in Anbar related to the diplomatic genius of Colonel Sean MacFarland, who brought in the tribal leaders and handed authority over to them.
Levels of American troops have, in fact, dropped in Anbar, as forces in Bagdhad and other areas were "surged".
Petraeus's metrics are fantasy. His famous "chart" that decieved so many legislators yesterday focused on the numbers of weeks in which deaths have risen, and those in which deaths have risen - totally disconnected from actual numbers and from any baseline but the preceeding week. Absolute crap from factual and methodological perspectives.
All major newspapers and the Government Accountibility Office itself show that violence and death is climbing.
Civilians are dying at higher rates, and American deaths are higher than in any previous summer during the war.
Its sad to think of our troops being led deeper into futility by such a self-promoting salesman.
Correction:
Petraeus's metrics are fantasy. His famous "chart" that decieved so many legislators yesterday focused on the numbers of weeks in which deaths have risen, and those in which deaths have DROPPED -
How does Analmann get away with lying about his ratings. SOMEONE should call him out on it. That fuckin creep abrams is no better. Jesus, I'm glad they weren't in the same studio last night. I'm betting that they would have been engaged in a "69" before a minute or two. Talk about a friggin suck-job!!
"Civilians are dying at higher rates"
how do those rates compare with Saddam's civilian death toll?
Today, I would bet that the civilian death rate would be much higher if the US pulled out.
Besides, most of these "civilians" you hear about are actually insurgents
Poor, poor Sir Loin of Milquetoast.....No one is buying the radical anti-American leftist's lie about General Petreaus....I quote The New York Times....
"And General Petraeus, unruffled in the face of the Congressional grilling, was more than willing to push back. When Representative Gary L. Ackerman, Democrat of New York, suggested the war was not integral to the anti-terror effort since members of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, sometimes called Al Qaeda in Iraq, the homegrown Sunni Arab extremist group that American intelligence agencies have concluded is foreign-led, is not part of the Qaeda network behind the Sept. 11 attacks, the general offered a quick retort.
"'There is no question that Al Qaeda-Iraq is part of the greater Al Qaeda movement,' General Petraeus said.
"'Isn’t it true, General, that Al Qaeda in Iraq formed in 2005, two years after we first got there?' pressed Mr. Ackerman.
"'Congressman, I’m not saying when it started,' the military commander said. 'I’m saying merely that Al Qaeda-Iraq clearly is part of the overall greater Al Qaeda network.'"
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Trying to trick the American people into believing terrorism in Iraq against Iraqis and Americans is ANY different than what happened 6 years ago today in NYC, Pa and Washington DC, the left shows their desperation!
And this is my post today, the 1,595th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....
I am cee, good night and good luck.
"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden
"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07
"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK
"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef
"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey
"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR
"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN
"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN
"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN
"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN
The Factor wrote: I think the fact that Tiki Barber was on The Factor tonight speaks volumes about what Tiki thinks of Olbermann and his "great ratings".
Tiki knows that he'll sell more books by reaching the LARGEST AUDIENCE on cable TV. Do Countdown viewers read books?
"how do those rates compare with Saddam's civilian death toll?"
-----The Lancet mortality study and the UN have found that death rates post invasion are roughly 5 times those seen in Iraq prior to the invasion. Nobody has ever cited any incident of mass-murder on the part of Saddam post-dating his clamp down explicitly permitted by George H W Bush in 1991-92, following the Gulf War. Yes, he had done horrible things in the past - mostly while a US ally and proxie (during Iran-Iraq war; gassing the Lurds of Halabja)- but the Iraqi people were not faced with such rampant mortality in 2002 and 03.
"Today, I would bet that the civilian death rate would be much higher if the US pulled out."
---Why did violence in Falluja drop instantly when we pulled out of that city after our first attack on that city, leaving Sadr in charge? Ambar has seen improvements only following our abdication of autorities to local tribal leaders. Your "bet" is a pretty shaky basis on which to leave our troops in harms way.
"Besides, most of these "civilians" you hear about are actually insurgents"
----Bullshit. What's your basis for this? Are you saying that the ethnic violence - which even our government is stating is responsible for a large percentaghe of these deaths - is primarilly targeting insurgents? If so - then what are we doing there?
The Iraqis are not getting their country under control because nobody wants to risk their lives for an overlord who has essentially promised never to leave.
If we hand temporary control over to a coalition headed by Iran and Syria - who are not enel=mies, but who each have their own interests to keep the others honest - it is likely that stability will break out.
"Trying to trick the American people into believing terrorism in Iraq against Iraqis and Americans is ANY different than what happened 6 years ago today in NYC, Pa and Washington DC, the left shows their desperation!"
So are you saying that 9/11 happened to fulfill a geopolitical goal of George W. Bush? I am open to this consideration, but you will have to work harder to fully convince me.
Otherwise, you could not be more wrong, unless you are limiting your comment to the miniscule percentage of attacks in that country known to be perpetrated by the elusive "Al Qeada in Iraq". If so, you are correct but wholly irrelevant.
We leave and the misfits described by Col David Sutherland (below) will be dead or otherwise gone almost immediately - killed or driven out by patriotic Iraqis who currently fear to move in any defensive fashion for fear of being killed as "insurgents".
"I can count them [foreign fighters] as a total I have engaged, dead or alive, in the 10 months I've been here on one hand," says Col. David Sutherland, the U.S. commander of coalition forces in the hotly contested area of Diyala province, an insurgent stronghold region some 35 miles northeast of Baghdad. There, Sutherland says, those involved in al Qaeda are largely dispossessed locals, not jihadists who have come from elsewhere. "The recruiting program is [that] al Qaeda may send five or eight individuals into a village. They recruit from those who have no power base, no place in society," including, he adds, former male prostitutes and the mentally ill."
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/070724/24surge.htm
Mostly Iraqis today; No Iraqi involvement in 9/11.
3000 Americans killed on 9/11; nearly 5000 Americans killed in Iraq to date.
Poor slob didn't get the bad news he was soooo hoping for yesterday. Now, he and the rest of the defeatist crowd have resorted to calling Patreas a liar and deceiver. What's next on your agenda, slob?
Poor slob didn't get the bad news he was soooo hoping for yesterday. Now, he and the rest of the defeatist crowd have resorted to calling Patreas a liar and deceiver. What's next on your agenda, slob?
Posted by: royal king at September 11, 2007 1:34 PM
Hoping for? Please. I fully expected Petraeus to sell his men out to curry favor with the Bush court.
Poor slob didn't get the bad news he was soooo hoping for yesterday. Now, he and the rest of the defeatist crowd have resorted to calling Patreas a liar and deceiver. What's next on your agenda, slob?
Posted by: royal king at September 11, 2007 1:34 PM
Hoping for? Please. I fully expected Petraeus to sell his men out to curry favor with the Bush court.
Poor slob didn't get the bad news he was soooo hoping for yesterday. Now, he and the rest of the defeatist crowd have resorted to calling Patreas a liar and deceiver. What's next on your agenda, slob?
Posted by: royal king at September 11, 2007 1:34 PM
Hoping for? Please. I fully expected Petraeus to sell his men out to curry favor with the Bush court.
Gee, I wonder who the "triple poster" is. 2 days, I was right. Welcome back.
"Gee, I wonder who the "triple poster" is. 2 days, I was right. Welcome back."
Wow....Here we go again.....Jeff never learns a thing from being wrong and made a fool of a thousand times, does he?
By the way Jeff, who were you quoting when you put "triple poster" in quotes?
Wow....Here we go again.....Jeff never learns a thing from being wrong and made a fool of a thousand times, does he?
By the way Jeff, who were you quoting when you put "triple poster" in quotes?
Posted by: Mike at September 11, 2007 2:53 PM
Who made a fool of me? Certainly not you or patsy. I was wrong about clucker being you and that makes me a fool? I was right about clucker being philby/rudy/jennifer, what does that make me? A fool, too? Should I go back and repost some of your many, many posts that you made where you were proven to be wrong? Does that make you a fool, too?
Jeff:
- "Who made a fool out of me? Certainly not you or Patsy.":....You made a fool out of yourself, and you're still doing it.
- "I was wrong about about Clucker being you and that makes me a fool?".....You were wrong about me being Clucker PLUS the hundred or so OTHER names you accused me of using as well. Did you conveniently forget all those, .... fool?
- "I was right about Clucker being Rudy/Philby/Jennifer. What does that make me? A fool too?"....Yes it does, because that was never proven or admitted too. Only a fool makes false allegations against someone that they cannot prove...but you are definitely a fool.
"Should I go back and repost some of the many, many posts where you were proven to be wrong?".....While I've certainly been guilty of being wrong before, .... YOU have never "proven" me wrong about anything, except in that confused little "pea - brain" of yours.
- "Does that make you a fool too.".....Probbaly the most 'foolish' thing I do is argue with ignorant fools like yourself on this silly blog. By that definition, ... maybe!
Poor slob didn't get the bad news he was soooo hoping for yesterday. Now, he and the rest of the defeatist crowd have resorted to calling Patreas a liar and deceiver. What's next on your agenda, slob?
Posted by: royal king at September 11, 2007 1:34 PM
"Hoping for"? No; I was certain that Petraeus would sell out his men to curry favor with the Bush court; and he did not surprise me.
"Otherwise, you could not be more wrong, unless you are limiting your comment to the miniscule percentage of attacks in that country known to be perpetrated by the elusive 'Al Qeada in Iraq'."
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Sir Loin of Milquetoast,
ANYONE engaging a security force with guerllia tactics....snipers, IEDS, car bombs, etc. are employing terrorist policies. Get it through your thick skull that Al Queda in Iraq ALONG with the Shite militiamen, Sunni insurgents and their supporters who are targeting innocent civilians, our troops, the Iraqi government troops and using IEDS and car bombs are ideologically WRONG. They should be stopped with force if necessary.
Take a stand for once in your life, leftist, and realize that if The US Armed forces used roadside and cafe placed IEDS, car bombs, and PURPOSELY killed the civilian population as a matter of policy to put the country into line....YOU COULD HAVE AN ARGUMENT IN PUTTING THEM ON PAR WITH THE ABOVE THUGS.....
We don't.
We wear UNIFORMS.
We have a defensive posture until such events require offensive movement AND EVEN THEN, THE PRESIDENT ORDERS HIS MEN AND WOMEN TO ACT UNDER THE CONDITIONS OF CIVILIZED WARFARE....LIMITING THE NUMBER OF CIVILIAN CASUALITES AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. The President, General Petraeus and his staff and the entire chain of command of the International SECURITY forces trying to support the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government of Iraq ARE NOT THE TERRORISTS.....
You are morally repugnant, and so is all the American left including their pathetic ruling elite, for placing the military and the commanders in the same cesspool as the terrorists. You did the same thing in Vietnam....The Viet Cong were the ONLY terrorists....they used civilians to hide their arms, kill....even recruiting children to do their dirty work....and the left in America PRAISED them for their victory.
The left makes the same mistake today....impugning the honor and honesty of a sincere servant....just because he has the 180 degree ideology of the evemy (Thank goodness!)
Why do you hate America, Loin? Why are the american forces including the sincere General Petraeus the enemy and not the terrorists? Why does your rhetoric mimic bin Laden's in predictions and requests for American foreign policy change?
Why do you totally misinterpret the following statement?.....
"Trying to trick the American people into believing terrorism in Iraq against Iraqis and Americans is ANY different than what happened 6 years ago today in NYC, Pa and Washington DC, the left shows their desperation!"
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Were you being funny? The tactics of the 9/11 bombers is the same as the insurgents and comes from the same poisonous ideology....Attacking civilians to advance your power and influence via terrorism.
You have no legs to stand on you leftist loser. War fatigue and basic decency are the "flaws" your immoral group have always been prepared to wait for....This time around you want it sooner....4 years instead of 8....well it's not going to happen because Bush is smarter and more intellegent than your ruiling class....They are going to fund the war and Bush will make progress in Iraq. In 2008, there will be a decision to face, either destroy that progress, or continue to support freedom and democracy. I still have faith that the decent majority of Americans will still know the lies of the left and reject such cynicism and Iraq will join the responsible nations of the world including Japan, Germany, South Korea and The United States of America where people can live and worship their creator without fear or "re-education."
You want another united Vietnam, you pathetic loser. I await either your pathetic (and irrelevant) "chickenhawk" retort or your tired old consiracy theories about the MIC, world-wide capitalist angst and/or Yale fraternity hazing.
And this is my post today, the 1,595th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....
I am cee, good night and good luck.
"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden
"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07
"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK
"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef
"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey
"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR
"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN
"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN
"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN
"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN
hawkeye guy is full of shit. Like he gives a damn about iraqis. He just wants his war with Iran. You can't hate the invasion and support the war dumbass, one is built on the other.
"you can't hate the invasion and support the war."
I agree!
Because if you do, you're still being manipulated with the logic of the very ones who created the war, and have been wrong every step of the way.
Why would you expect them to suddenly be right?
ao i guess that means that you also agree hawkeye is "full of shit" and a "dumbass" too eh mike?. That guy makes some of the best posts on this board, and even when you dont agree with em at least they are reasonable and non-confrontational. But i guess to you reason and not calling someone a dumbass just can't have any place in a discussion.
Anon @ 6:55 asks me I think Hawkeye is "full of shit" and a dumbass....and then he goes on to falsly imply that I did. How's that for making something up?
But you FORGOT to mention that I DIDN'T call Hawkeye a "dumbass" anon, nor did I even imply it. Hawkeye is entitled to his opinion and he makes some thought provoking points. However, I believe listening to the logic of the same people who got us into this mess is a mistake....and THAT was the ONLY point I was making in my post.
So how about not putting words in my mouth, AND get a little perspective anon. I treat anyone on here with respect as long as they have shown that same repect to me. ALL of the ones I have called such names have a history of having done that themselves FIRST....usually MANY times.
In other words, you can't judge me on how I respond to SOME posters on this board....and if you have a problem with something as elementary as that, I really don't give a damn what you think.
well, mike, the guy you quoted certainly called him a dumbass and full of shit. And i didn't see you knock him for saying it. In fact, your first words were an emphatic "I agree!"
So how about not putting words in my mouth
Posted by: Mike at September 11, 2007 7:20 PM
Mikey doesn't like to have done to him what he does on a regular basis, huh? Just our daily dose.....
"The American people long ago rejected the President's plan to stay in Iraq, which is why they voted for a New Direction in 2006. Yet, with his veto pen and the 60-vote hurdle in the Senate, the President is preventing the redeployment of our troops, the rebuilding of our military, and the refocusing of our nation's efforts on fighting terrorism."
Nancy Pelosi after meeting with President Bush 9/11/07
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Oh well....it looks like Ms. Pelosi is readying all of the radical left for another political loser....she is going to fund George Bush's war.
Oh well, once again, the impotent leftist ruling class stands by and does not use their constitutionally granted power of the purse to stop the immoral and rejected war in Iraq.
You don't need anymore than simple majorities to defund...no money....no war.
The House of Representatives is the origin of all monies spent in the government and The Senate could easily stop procedural games and defund the war.
It is time for action, according to the radical left....why is it not happening?
Don't expect Bush to accept a wrong policy....you want the policy....force it on him.
Stop the war....bring the troops home now....cut the funds!
And this is my post today, the 1,595th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....
I am cee, good night and good luck.
"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden
"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07
"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK
"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef
"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey
"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR
"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN
"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN
"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN
"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN
You know who has gone along with this war every step of the way? The Democratic Party. They still won't stand up to Bush and Company. But you don't blame them for this war do you? Nope, just the GOP and BUSH. Clueless aren't you?
"You know who has gone along with this war every step of the way? The Democratic Party. They still won't stand up to Bush and Company. But you don't blame them for this war do you? Nope, just the GOP and BUSH. Clueless aren't you?"
Would I blame a spineless neighbor for not interferring while my wife was being raped? ..... Sure, ..... I would definitely hold that neighbor in contempt. But would I blame THEM for the actual rape, instead of the rapist?
Why don't you answer that one anon 10:22.
actually that analogy would be more like your nieghbor being in the room and saying "ahh, don't do that." and then paying the rapist to continue. I'd think you'd be a little mader at your neighbor. And where the fuck are you by the way? Hello! Get your ass home and protect your wife goddamnit. But no, you're to busy blogging.
The blatant partisianship of Mike and Mental Midget (why) is sad.....You give me democrat party talking points instead of examples of true and couragous leadership.
You and the left call this war IMMORAL.....such a claim demands action and funding the IMMORALITY 100% as requested by The President shows total lack of commitment to your rhetoric.....This means that you really do not believe it.....it is a "position" you have taken without any risk. This is what wonks do....not leaders.
Mental Midget claims the democrats are making the soldiers safer.....guess what you twit, the money was there for such equipment if the military deemed it necessary AND who cut the military's budget all through the 1980's and early 1990's.....the left. Do not try to portray the left if this country as promilitary......they are not....
Look at your comrade's Sir Loin of Milquetoast's posts about the MIC....this is an anti-military conspiracy theory that has always been used to decrease funding of the military. You people talk out of both sides of your mouths.
No, giving Bush every cent he requests for the immoral war is WRONG while calling what it is funding immoral and dangerous and you will not admit it, Mental Midget. When 2008 rolls around and there are decisions to be made in Iraq regarding troop strength, we will see how the left goes about it.....all I know is now, the left's ruling class will not pull the plug and it shows how there are no great leaders in their caucus and their presidential candidates are about just as pathetic.
"But the pathetic Cee says to push on.
and follow GWB's failing course in Iraq."
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Hey mental midget.....this is what your leaders are doing as well by not cutting the funding for the war.....they are supporting the policy. Period. The real problem is they are talking tough but acting like the wimps they have always been....and the enemy knows it.....look at bin Laden's last speech....he is playing the dems just like Minh did.
Stop the war....bring the troops home now....cut the funds!
And this is my post today, the 1,596th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....
I am cee, good night and good luck.
"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden
"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07
"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK
"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef
"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey
"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR
"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN
"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN
"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN
"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN