His numbers sucked last night.

Notice how TVN hasn't posted the numbers.

They are probally in denial. Can't spin those numbers

They are probally in denial. Can't spin those numbers

They are probally in denial. Can't spin those numbers

Sorry for the multiple post.

That Media Matters item on "Bill-O" didn't appear until later on in the day. So Fatass hangs on every word they say, right up until showtime.

"Yes, the power and influence of this site has finally shamed the discredited baseball card collector into acknowledging news that every other news program has been on top of for almost two weeks."

It's a crap story, and Romney's asshole THIEF FUNDRAISER is 10 times WORSE.

And I want some of whatever hallucinogenic drugs your taking to think this rinky-dink site run by morons can influence ANYTHING beyond what time the pizza gets to your house.

Awwww..poor widdle moonbat is upset...and Hillary KNEW about Mr. Szu's criminal background, and you KNOW it....

"Awwww..poor widdle moonbat is upset...and Hillary KNEW about Mr. Szu's criminal background, and you KNOW it...."

Then PROVE it, shit for brains. Prove it or shut your fucking mouth.

And FOR THE RECORD, I don't even LIKE Hillary!

Hey, posted @ 11:17 PM

Not taking drugs.

If the site is so rinky-dink, why are you posting here?

And I want some of whatever hallucinogenic drugs your taking to think this rinky-dink site run by morons can influence ANYTHING beyond what time the pizza gets to your house.

Posted by: at September 12, 2007 11:17 PM

This coming from an acid freak. I think you've had enough.

"Nuremberg" spews from Krazy Keith's mind
But to Saddam's crimes CNN was all blind
"This is Christiane Amanpour"
"All is well at half past four"
When Saddam was their host, no bad news did they find

Aren't you people embarrassed to be spending so much time on someone who, due to his ratings-inferiority to your God Bill-O, isn't worthy of your time?

Don't you have some Congressperson's perverted sexual behavior to go defend?

Criminey, what a bunch of LOSERS!

Aren't you people embarrassed to be spending so much time on someone who, due to his ratings-inferiority to your God Bill-O, isn't worthy of your time?

Don't you have some Congressperson's perverted sexual behavior to go defend?

Criminey, what a bunch of LOSERS!

Posted by: JP at September 13, 2007 12:41 AM

No we would rather talk about all the swindlers and felons that are laundering money for Hillary from China.

Hillary calls General Patreaus liar today and says that she didn't no Hsu was a swindler and a arch criminal. Just like she just looked in the WSJ and turned $10,000 into $100,000 in cattle futures. She can't be the first woman president. Anyone with balls that big couldn't be a woman.

Hmm,---anyone see Senator OBAMA on NBC "Today" ? Hmm wonder how the baseball card boy, and Clinton water carrier, missed the follwing exchange between Obama, and lefty David Gregory, also a Clinton water carrier:

DAVID GREGORY: You heard Secretary Rice say there is progress in Iraq that cannot be ignored. She spoke about when, not if, the United States prevails in Iraq. Do you see it that way?

BARACK OBAMA: I think it's important to understand that after two days of testimony [by Gen. Petraeus and Amb. Crocker], here's the bottom line: that having put an additional 30,000 troops in, and continued the same course we were on, we are now back to the horrendous levels of violence that we were back in June of 2006.

So there's no doubt that we've seen some measured progress in Anbar province, primarily because the Sunni tribal leaders made a political decision there that they would work with the coalition forces. We've seen a very modest reduction of violence in Baghdad, partly because entire neighborhoods have essentially been ethnically cleansed. Those are all positive things, but we are now back at the levels of violence we were 18 months ago.
Hmm---so a democratic Presidential candidate who thinks ethnic cleansing is just peachy, does not make the orange hued moron's WPIW? Hmm wonder why ?Oh yea------Keithy is just a poor excuse for the Kos kids .

Hmm,---anyone see Senator OBAMA on NBC "Today" ? Hmm wonder how the baseball card boy, and Clinton water carrier, missed the follwing exchange between Obama, and lefty David Gregory, also a Clinton water carrier:

DAVID GREGORY: You heard Secretary Rice say there is progress in Iraq that cannot be ignored. She spoke about when, not if, the United States prevails in Iraq. Do you see it that way?

BARACK OBAMA: I think it's important to understand that after two days of testimony [by Gen. Petraeus and Amb. Crocker], here's the bottom line: that having put an additional 30,000 troops in, and continued the same course we were on, we are now back to the horrendous levels of violence that we were back in June of 2006.

So there's no doubt that we've seen some measured progress in Anbar province, primarily because the Sunni tribal leaders made a political decision there that they would work with the coalition forces. We've seen a very modest reduction of violence in Baghdad, partly because entire neighborhoods have essentially been ethnically cleansed. Those are all positive things, but we are now back at the levels of violence we were 18 months ago.
Hmm---so a democratic Presidential candidate who thinks ethnic cleansing is just peachy, does not make the orange hued moron's WPIW? Hmm wonder why ?Oh yea------Keithy is just a poor excuse for the Kos kids .

Hmm,---anyone see Senator OBAMA on NBC "Today" ? Hmm wonder how the baseball card boy, and Clinton water carrier, missed the follwing exchange between Obama, and lefty David Gregory, also a Clinton water carrier:

DAVID GREGORY: You heard Secretary Rice say there is progress in Iraq that cannot be ignored. She spoke about when, not if, the United States prevails in Iraq. Do you see it that way?

BARACK OBAMA: I think it's important to understand that after two days of testimony [by Gen. Petraeus and Amb. Crocker], here's the bottom line: that having put an additional 30,000 troops in, and continued the same course we were on, we are now back to the horrendous levels of violence that we were back in June of 2006.

So there's no doubt that we've seen some measured progress in Anbar province, primarily because the Sunni tribal leaders made a political decision there that they would work with the coalition forces. We've seen a very modest reduction of violence in Baghdad, partly because entire neighborhoods have essentially been ethnically cleansed. Those are all positive things, but we are now back at the levels of violence we were 18 months ago.
Hmm---so a democratic Presidential candidate who thinks ethnic cleansing is just peachy, does not make the orange hued moron's WPIW? Hmm wonder why ?Oh yea------Keithy is just a poor excuse for the Kos kids .

Another Olbermann fan and Brittney Fan.

http://hotair.com/archives/2007/09/12/video-britneys-biggest-fan/

"No we would rather talk about all the swindlers and felons that are laundering money for Hillary from China."

Only if we get to talk about all the war profiteers and "wingnut welfare" writers who are making money hand over fist trying to put lipstick on the pig.

What republican is trying to put lipstick on Hillary?

Me.

Thanks for the recap, J$. I did not see Keith Olbermann covering the latest NBC poll of the American people....

"And when asked what they think is the most acceptable outcome to the war in Iraq,"

"24% say that American troops should remain in Iraq until it becomes a stable democracy.

"26% say the want them to begin the process of leaving now.

"37% say American troops should leave Iraq within the next year — but still keep some of them in the region."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20748524/

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So the next time we hear the radical left's ruling elite (Reid, Clinton, Obama, and Pelosi) claim the American people want the troops out and home "now," we can remember that it has always been, and still is a lie.

The minority support (

Progress in Iraq will only benefit the republicans politically. Death and defeat will only benefit the democrats politically....

Guess how this is all going to be continued to be viewed?....Just has it has been....the left gleeful when terrorist attacks occur and Iraqi and American deaths are reported, while any progress is dispelled as either lies or "expected" by the same macabre ideologues.

The anti-war protests will continue to be small, radical and peopled by the same '60's retreads that achieved defeat and victory for totalitarianism in 1975.

The rest of the population in America will hold out hope that "right" will prevail over evil.

Thank goodness Bush is smart enough and uses his constitutional power to thwart the leftist defeatists while they continue not to take their stand and defund the war they claim is immoral and already lost.

Have a nice day....and......

Stop the war....bring the troops home now....cut the funds!

And this is my post today, the 1,597th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

And looky here....

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/the_scoreboard_tuesday_sept_11_66874.asp

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O'Reilly beat Olbermann in the demo by 200,000 viewers on 9/11....I guess Olbermann's eloquent 9/11 tribute just didn't make the grade.

And once again O'Reilly gets over 2 million total households while Olbermann languishes with under 1 million....way less than half of Billo. That ratings win really was a start of something big, uh?

"Which is why they have no chance in 08', you blind partisan asshole."

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Where did you get your crystal ball, anon?....You mean to tell me that there is no possibility or hope that the fine people of Iraq and their elected officials can come to a just and beneficial end to their fractious infighting....

No hope at all?
We just accept the inevitable that Iraqis are going to kill eachother over sectarian differences?
We just accept the contention of bin Laden that terrorist might makes right and retreat with our tail between our legs?

I guess so according to the left. Oh well, the 26% dead-enders that enjoy the bad news from Iraq because it makes their political prospects for 2008 better will only enjoy such pleasure for a short time....then when policy meets empty rhetoric and surrender is the decision of the left's ruling elite, proper responsibility for the terrible outcome for peace and freedom will be placed where it belongs.

Again, don't expect help from Bush to enable the terrorists, leftists....you will have to do that all by yourselves!

He, he....again......

Stop the war....bring the troops home now....cut the funds!

And this is my post today, the 1,597th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

I take comfort that if the Dems take the Congress and the White House we won't be leaving battle in Iraq anytime soon.

Now they'll probably press for significant troop cuts, which is fine since it plays back into Rumsfield's plan to have a smaller, lighter Army. The flip side is that this will unbind the troops from a reluctancy to use air power for fear of collateral damage.

The great equalizer for the Queen of Battle has always been her King. Look for more JDAM's and actions from AC-130H and AC-130U.

Since the Dems couldn't force a pull out in the spoiler role don't expect them to make the hard decision while in charge.

"Since the Dems couldn't force a pull out in the spoiler role don't expect them to make the hard decision while in charge."

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If one could only rely on those self-preserving impulses to carry so far.....It is possible, especially if there is progress in Iraq over the next year into 2008, however, even if there is progress, the radical fringe of the democrat party have committed themselves to a prediction of an extremist regime in Iraq and those in opposition to them will not let them forget it, even if their ruling class never succumbs to their radical demands of immediate and precipitous withdrawal.

Anon at 9:54 claims General Petraeus is a member of the vast right wing.....I'll look for him and ask him for the secret hand shake the next we meet at the cross-burnings.....

Please, anon, all too easy....You actually parrot EVERY leftist talking point....

1) The Surge was supposed to help bring about a political settlement. It has done nothing of the sort. It has improved some areas for a short time, but not what the goals previously set out were.

This is what the left says the surge was supposed to do....not true....The surge was supposed to secure Iraqis while they continue the long road of national reconciliation....they need more time and deserve it especially considering the alternatives....an Iran-puppet state, religious supression, and a victory for Al Queda's tactics of terrorism.....This ideological reality is lost on the pathetic left.

2) Most in the media have reported on the announced drawdown of 30,000 troops from Iraq next summer as though this were some sign that Bush is changing course in his disastrous policy, when the truth is that he does not have a real choice, and that these troops are scheduled to rotate out anyway, leaving the original 130,000 pre-surge forces to continue dying in Iraq's civil war? Time and again, it seems that those we depend on to ferret out the truth act as stenographers for the Bush Administration. Those paying attention could see the coordinated campaign gearing up for months to snooker the public once again about what is really going on in Iraq.

Another canard....General Petraeus will continue to make requests for troop increases or decreases based on conditions on the ground. The left distracts from the military successes by saying the above instead of noting the couragous process our fighting men and women have accomplished. Once again, the call for immediate pullout is a minority view held by only 26% of the US population and the left cannot accept the fact that they have made NO progress in eroding the will of the American population to see Iraq through to a just and right outcome.

And I won't even touch your list that is a direct cut and paste from a leftist propaganda piece.....Nice.

Sorry, anon, you dead-enders for defeat will have to accomplish your goal for surrender on your own without the help of Bush or those with him supporting democracy and religious freedom. Have a nice time trying though....again.....

Stop the war....bring the troops home now....cut the funds!

Krazy Keith gets crushed in the rating
Viewers weary of his berating
Bill's two million strong
Keith's always wrong
No wonder he's so irritating

"Alos notice Cee continues to blame "leftists" for everything while never giving credit for the republicans and his president for bungling this war."

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I do not agree with your assertion, and neither do you because you and the left have not brought impeachment charges against the bunglers nor cut their funding.

It is a reality, like those nice quotes I repost, that seems not to be able to sink into your thick skull.

I agree with the president's policy and see the problems faced in Iraq as a result of war against a smart and determined enemy. Yoy see every challenge or step backward as only the fault of America....no, I do not agree with you.

So continue to spend time playing in the sandbox with the 26% dead-enders while the rest of us try to help the Iraqi people achieve freedom and peace despite you and the radical islamists.

and once again....for your pleasure...

Stop the war....bring the troops home now....cut the funds!

And this is my post today, the 1,597th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

"So continue to spend time playing in the sandbox with the 26% dead-enders while the rest of us try to help the Iraqi people achieve freedom and peace despite you and the radical islamists."

Phari-cee needs to check his marching orders - Maybe he hasn't noticed that the "mission" in Iraq has changed over the years from:

“Iraq will serve as a beacon; a beacon of freedom in a part of the world desperate for freedom and liberty.” George W. Bush; December 19, 2005

to:

“Victory in Iraq is a government that can sustain itself, govern itself, and defend itself” George W. Bush; June 9, 2006

“Iraq will be a society in which there is relative peace. I say relative peace because if there is, like, no car bombings it will never happen that way” George W. Bush; February 14, 2007

"Either we'll succeed, or we won't succeed. And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down. Success is not no violence. ... But success is a level of violence where the people feel comfortable about living their daily lives." George W. Bush; May 2, 2007

“If the standard of success is no car bombings or suicide bombings we have just handed those who commit car bombings a huge victory” George W. Bush; April 24, 2007.

Keep changing the subject, Loin and wanna.....Your responsiblity is to pushing YOUR ruling class to action....not me....my guy is doing exactly what the military commanders and his advisors have come to concensus on and standing up to the cut-and-run pushers.

Make sure you prepare well for the march on DC coming up....I hear it is going to be a real "charge" for the '60's retreads. Don't forget your mind-altering substances to numb the reality of poor attendence and the fact that NOTHING was accomplished since the last gathering. And try to treat the counter protesting veterancs with some respect, will you?

Oh, and wanna, what were you trying to say at 10:47AM?

Cee: "So continue to spend time playing in the sandbox with the 26% dead-enders while the rest of us try to help the Iraqi people achieve freedom and peace despite you and the radical islamists."

The key words here being: "while the rest of us try to help the Iraqi people achieve freedom and peace"...

OK Cee, you explain to us how YOU personally are "Trying to help the Iraqi people achiece freedom and peace"?

All I see you doing is whining while posting inflammatory platitudes and out of context quotes aimed at those you disagree with on this lightly read blog. Also, if a remember right, YOU were even against personally paying a higher tax that would have helped us finance this war, that is being waged entirely on borrowed money.

What are YOU doing to help, Cee?

THIS ought to be good.

Poor Mike, all you can muster today is attacking me personally while your ruling class fritters away time they could be using to remove the stuuuupid and evil Buch Co. They should also be presenting, today, clear plans on fund cuts that would force their troop reductions on the executive....

They are doing NEITHER.

This is not about me or you. It is about our leaders.....The President is leading....your pathetic ruling elite are politicing, Mike, and your frustration towards me shows you have no plan on dealing with the reality.

General Petraeus gave his honest report and it still was not good enough for your ideologically blind ruling class to even change one iota of their scripted reaction...Fine, I accept their challenge....

Cut the funds!
Impeach the bumbling fools and evil corporatists, Bush and Cheney!

So, did you see Friday Keith (who is always right) beat your boy Oreilley. It just shows that the country has seen the light. America now agrees that bashing troops and comparing the president to hitler is good for America. Told you so!

It won't be long before the Factor is canceled. Wowee, I called this for the past two years. Oreilley is now the second best cable news show... Keith is the man!

What? Keith is back in second place floundering far behind in the ratings? Two days in a row? So winning one day out of 365 doesn't mean a coup? Well, Nevermind.

No, Cee, I WASN'T "attacking you personally".

YOU made a statement a few posts above stating that YOU were an active part of a so called majority who was "trying to help the Iraqi people achieve freedom and peace". You should be able to back that statement up with examples of what YOU are doing personally to help the war effort.

As for your statement to me about "developing a thicker skin', I think you should heed your own advice and stop your hypocrisy, since cheap "personal attacks" and taunts against your political opposition is virtually ALL you do on this blog.

Did you forget that only yesterday, you labeled me by name "anti-American", .... and you don't think THAT qualifies as a "personal attack"?

God forbid that if my life ever depends on needing a clear thinking doctor, that I don't end up drawing a convoluted thinker like yourself instead.

"When Petraeus couldn't say that the US is safer due to the Surge and the war in general."

Kinda disqualifies all of Cee's points!

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Um no, because the left's ruling class is still not taking any decisive action to change the Iraq policy....removing Bush/Cheney or cutting their money....

Also....

This class act of a professional military officer addressed that specific lie yesterday at his open and very long press conference with the free and open US and foreign press...

"'We don't know what would happen if al Qaeda had a sanctuary in Iraq from which they could presumably export violence, perhaps train others. We just don't know,' Petraeus told a news conference in Washington.

"The top U.S. commander in Iraq was clarifying an answer he gave to Sen. John Warner, R-Virginia, during a hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee a day earlier.

"Petraeus elaborated before the National Press Club on Wednesday.

"If a U.S. pullout left Iraq to al Qaeda influence, Petraeus said, 'would it be focused in the Levant, in the Magreb, back in Afghanistan, Western Europe, the United States? I don't know that.'

"Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, went further. 'We have to assume that anywhere al Qaeda can find operating room, space, the ability to organize, to consolidate, they're going to use that to come after us,' said the ambassador, who had testified side-by-side with Petraeus the past two days on Capitol Hill.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/12/iraq.petraeus/index.html

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Calling General Petraeus a liar, a traitor and/or a Bush puppet was the response from the left....

This goes back to my claim you and the left are anti-American and Anti-military, Mike.

Don't take the characterization of your actions personally....I am not calling you ugly or dumb, after all!

It is simply an observation and consequence of your leftist world-view that has limits and flaws.

Not quite, anon....you are wrong!

An appropriation with just enough funds for withdrawl could be passed by a simple majority in the House (which the dems control) and the filibuster could be easily stopped by simply using the nuclear option and bringing the funding up for a simple vote....again, 51 votes would only be needed.

Also, the congress could even just not fund the request, and as the existing appropriated funds are spent, The President would be forced to withdrawal the troops....no money, no war.

These are the ONLY Constitutional mechanisms the Congress has to direct foreign policy and the democrats REFUSE to use them because they know only 27%, at best, support immediate and precipitous withdrawal.

Please get your facts right about The Constitution and how congress works....you are too reliant on DNC talking points about their so-called needed Republican support to promote the left's policies...they do not need the republicans....they have majorities in both chambers.

Also, the impeachment avenue has NEVER been pursued despite Mike, Loin and the rest of the leftists here claiming illegal and/or incompetant behavior on the part of the evecutives....."BUSH LIED, PEOPLE DIED!"

The Congressional leadership has refused to even start proceedings to investigate these allegations....perhaps your leaders are too much political cowards to show leadership here as well!

Cut the funds!
Impeach the bumbling fools and evil corporatists, Bush and Cheney!

"Cee's taunts about the left, the left, the funding, is falling on deaf ears...to everyone at this site and across America."

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And across america?....wow, who do you think I am.

No anon, the reality is that Bush has continued unchallenged and unfazed by the congressional leadership and will continue to do so through his term is office. This is exactly what I predicted in 11/06 and those who are now not responding know it....

Loin, Mike, mental midget (why) mental midget wanna be (AAP).....

The radical fringe left, the same people that brought you the withdrawal of US support which lead to Saigon in 1975, have accomplished nothing since 11/06 other than showing us all that the democrat party does not have any great leaders ready to stand by their rhetoric with real action....

Action like impeachment proceedings.
Action like holding funds that go to an immoral war.

I am glad you can produce the cognitive dissonance to overlook such facts, anon. You make a very good democrat party stooge!

"Cee thinks he knows more than Joe Biden who eloquently explained the funding on Meet the Press this weekend."

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Joe Biden! Mr. Wilmington City town councel to US Senator who thinks he is a Mensa member, Joe Biden? The man is a fraud and typical of the pathetic brain-trust the democrat party pretends to have with regards to national security!

He, he, he.....he is a political coward as well and knows he is giving lip service to real policy change. Again, the democrats do not need anyone to stop the funding.....they just do not want to take any political risk to accomplish what they claim is moral....

I call that pathetic and weak.....NO LEADERSHIP!

"I'm fully aware of the real facts of the Iraq War."

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Well you can hang out with the 27% dead-enders and the democrat leaders.....Make sure you prepare for that rally coming up....you know the "massive" anti-war protest.....

I'll stick with General Petraeus and the other real leaders doing their best to promote freedom and democracy in a land thirsty for it. Ann Coulter had a nice fact in her column this week regarding the desire of the average, decent Iraqi.....

"The Democrats' current talking point is that 'there can be no military solution in Iraq without a political solution.' But back when we were imposing a political solution, Democrats' talking point was that there could be no political solution without a military solution.

"They said the first Iraqi election, scheduled for January 2005, wouldn't happen because there was no 'security.' Noted Middle East peace and security expert Jimmy Carter told NBC's 'Today' show in September 2004 that he was confident the elections would not take place. 'I personally do not believe they're going to be ready for the election in January ... because there's no security there,' he said.

"At the first presidential debate in September 2004, Sen. John Kerry used his closing statement to criticize the scheduled Iraqi elections saying: 'They can't have an election right now. The president's not getting the job done.'

"About the same time, U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan said he doubted there would be elections in January, saying, 'You cannot have credible elections if the security conditions continue as they are now' -- although he may have been referring here to a possible vote of the U.N. Security Council.

"In October 2004, Nicholas Lemann wrote in The New Yorker that 'it may not be safe enough there for the scheduled elections to be held in January.'

"Days before the first election in Iraq in January 2005, The New York Times began an article on the election this way: 'Hejaz Hazim, a computer engineer who could not find a job in computers and now cleans clothes, slammed his iron into a dress shirt the other day and let off a burst of steam about the coming election. 'This election is bogus,' Mr. Hazim said. 'There is no drinking water in this city. There is no security. Why should I vote?' If there's a more artful articulation of the time-honored linkage between drinking water and voting, I have yet to hear it.

"And then, as scheduled, in January 2005, millions of citizens in a country that has never had a free election risked their lives to cast ballots in a free democratic election. They've voted twice more since then.

"Now our forces are killing lots of al-Qaida jihadists, preventing another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, and giving democracy in Iraq a chance -- and Democrats say we are 'losing' this war. I think that's a direct quote from their leader in the Senate, Harry Reid, but it may have been the Osama bin Laden tape released this week. I always get those two confused.

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Slam dunk Coultergeist! How she gets down to the marrow!

Democracy in Iraq: YES! Except if you are the left in America and a radical islamist terrorist!

Stop the war....bring the troops home now....cut the funds!

And this is my post today, the 1,597th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

What did I predict about bad news from Iraq being received gleefully by the left....

From the pathological kos....

"Bush's Golden Boy of Anbar Assassinated'

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/13/112441/762

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The leftist author actually is flippant about the terrorist attack on a US ally AND gleeful that President Bush stood with the man only last week.....

Macabre....a good word for the left.

Phari-cee has no idea what harsh criticisms with which I weekly regale Democratic legislators across the nation; or of the time and money I have put toward the candidacy of Dennis Kucinich, who explicitly stands for every sarcastic admonition cee included in his petulent taunts.

Meanwhile, Phari-cee sits complacently loving and making his own every self-contradictory word and measure coming down from his fetish/president and his henchmen.

Phari-cee cannot bring himself to criticize, or even critique, any aspect of Bush's failed presidency and successful piracy - even when these acts repudiate every message that tradition attributed to Jesus Christ, the religious prophet hypocritically declared messiah and savior by this passive little war-lover.

"Doesn't fit into his Democratic bashing agenda."

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Oh it does very well...because the left's solution would create more Iraqi refugees, just like it did in 1975 in Vietnam and those left behind would fall under totalitarianism's murerous rule, just like they did in 1975.

I left this simple fact unadressed because it is common sense. But anon wants to claim I ignored it....

Sorry, it only gives me more ammunition when you brought it up....

And we'll see about 2008.....I have no predictions yet....let's just say that when there is progress politically in Iraq, the democrats will change their tune and try to spin it for their own political advantage.

Bill Maher Asks H. Clinton: "Why Should Americans Vote For Someone Who Can Be Fooled By George Bush?"

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Oh, and how many people even know about or heard Maher's question....only pathetic leftist losers like yourself are even talking about the forum....the average guy is concentrating on more important events.

Cee: "And this goes back to my claim that you and the left are anti-American and anti-military Mike"

Yet Cee, you whine like a baby and call it "personal attacks" when you percieve something that is said about YOU to be hostile.
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"Don't take my characterizations of your actions personally.....I am not calling you ugly or dumb after all."

No, you are calling me something far worse, ... but most of all, you are LYING. I will hold my patriotism against your ongoing false platitudes and taunts ANY day of ANY week.
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"It is simply an observation of your leftist Worldview that has limits and flaws.

But FAR fewer "limits and flaws" than your deluded view that empire buliding disquised as "spreading freedom" somehow qualifies you as having a corner on patriotism.

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I'm still waiting for you to back up your silly assertion that YOU are actively doing ANYTHING constructive "to try to help bring the Iraqi people achieve freedom and peace"

You're doing NOTHING Cee! You're nothing but a whiner and a taunter exraordinaire, .... as well as hypocrite.

So Petraeus wants to be POTUS, and sacrifices his troops and the readiness of our military to that end.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article2956422.ece

What else would you expect from the administration's five-year sycophant vetting process?

"why" has been shamed into anon. I wouldn't put a name to that brainless far left spew, either.

Enlist, Phari-cee!

If not as a doctor, as you claim to be, then as a chaplain or chaplain's scuttlebutt. But just get of your ass and make an honest war-monger out of your pathetic self.

Nice try, anon at 12:56PM to again use a leftist talking point from kos to deride the professional and highly regarded General Petraeus.

Are the democrats using their usual sources to see if the general has been in any airport bathrooms tapping his foot or text messaging interns with sexually explicit language?

This is a war, anon....not a political race for a silly office....I enjoy seeing the radical left try to besmurch the general and fail....He has proved to be unshakable and honest in the face of much lesser people this week in DC.

Oh, and Loin....your retreat once again into bringing up my myth believing shows me you once again got nuthin, honey. I respect you for your far left stands, but just want to make it clear that you are misguided and in a very small minority in America. Your views came to acceptance in the late 60's and lead to much I despise, but I respect our democracy to say we have to lie in the bed we make....I just don;t want that bed again.

And a majority in America does not embrace your philosophy today. The other democrat party candidates may decide to join you, and if they do I am sure that will insure their defeat.

You do not know all I do to make sure the true freedom our founder's wanted for us is insured for the next generation as you and you ideologues try to force your world-view on us all. Let's just say it is much more than the small amount of time I spend here at OW and it is consistent with Christ's message of original sin and redemption through Him alone.

Bill Maher Asks H. Clinton: "Why Should Americans Vote For Someone Who Can Be Fooled By George Bush?"

Maher shows more evidence of his occasional brilliance. I am going to suggest to the Kucinich campaign that they adopt a version of this insightful question into their rhetoric.

Thanks for the quote, Phari-cee. Now go enlist your chickenhawk ass.

why/patsy, your posts are transparent in every way.

Posted by: cee at September 13, 2007 1:11 PM

Blah blah blah.

Sacrifice for your beliefs, Phari-cee. You are an embarassment to America.

Anon 1:16PM....if you think the results of the '06 elections show the American people are embracing the far left, you are sorely mistaken.

Sir Loin of Milquetoast is a passionate and consistent ideologue, but the fact that only Kucinich is his cup of tea should show you the degree to which he lies along the spectrum.

It is true, the republicans lost control of congress for many reasons including the war, however, no poll has ever shown a majority of Ameircans embrace a Dennis Kucinich solution of immediate and precipitous withdrawal. I respect representative Kucinich for being consistent in his opposition to the war and wanting to start impeachment hearings and calling for fund cuts....But he is the leader of a very small minority.

Ah...I posted Maher's quote. Cee wouldn't have the balls to initiate that comment.

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 1:21 PM

Sorry - I should have known.

But Phari-cee's manichaean world-view often leads him to sarcastically cut and paste quotes that devastate his own positions, thinking he is dealing with binary automatons similar to his comrades.

Cee, I'm STILL waiting for you to back up your statement that YOU are personally doing ANYTHING to "try to help the Iraqi People achieve freedom and peace."

You can make "personal attacks" on me and others who have far more insight than yourself, but you can't back up your own words.

Pukes Lussy:

"Cee, I'm STILL waiting for you to back up your statement that YOU are personally doing ANYTHING to "try to help the Iraqi People achieve freedom and peace."

You can make "personal attacks" on me and others who have far more insight than yourself, but you can't back up your own words."

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I'm still waiting for you to attend a soldiers funeral and tell his family his death was a waste and over a lie. Hurry Lussy. We're waiting.

Um, Lussy, I know it's hard you being a liberal and all but if you throw stones don't be so shocked if someone throws one back you loser.

Your insight is about as far as you can bury your nose in Olby's asshole my friend.

Cee: "if you think the results of the '06 election show the majority of the American People are embracing the far left."

It doesn't. However, it DOES show that the majority of the American People are beginning to recoil against the dishonest, secretive, and self destructive policies of the far right (and that means you Cee!).

You can make "personal attacks" on me and others who have far more insight than yourself, but you can't back up your own words.

Posted by: Mike at September 13, 2007 1:32

mike, can you cite ONE time you have backed up your words with something more than YOUR opinion? Please.....

Lussy whines:

"It doesn't. However, it DOES show that the majority of the American People are beginning to recoil against the dishonest, secretive, and self destructive policies of the far right (and that means you Cee!)."

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Majority my ass especially if you look at voters and especially anyone that could pass an 8th grade equivalency test. Latest poll showed 51% of Carolinians support our war in Iraq. Yeah, I said "OUR".

Harry Reid said the war in Iraq was GW's war. I'd give up a nut to have the chance to just backhand that bitch let alone hit him with a clenched fist. That fuck aint even an American.

Jeff: "mike, can you cite ONE time you have backed up your words with something more than YOUR opinion? Please....."

I think you mean, "am I a cut and paste queen"?

No, I'll gladly admit that I substitute my educated OPINION in place of meaningless cut and paste posts.

That's what a discussion board is FOR Jeff.

Mike,

Phari-cee is typical of the gelatinized constituency of a fascist state (which we are not yet, I believe - we just have a fascist administration engaged in dismantling the apparatus of our democracy). They support the executive and its shock troops through lip-service and the explicit promise to do absolutley nothing.

Like the chickenhawk argument and other such tactics, you wish to have me present to you items that you can attack regarding what I do personally about the fight for democracy in Iraq, Mike....No dice....You come here to OW and pronounce personal judgements all the time....calling people dumb, ignorant, etc and then complain when other's characterizations hit too hard on your thin skin....too bad....I have never "complained" about the derisive comments made about me personally and will not.....I just would like to have a chance to call a spade a spade....

If it is an anti-religious slur directed at me I will note it as so and move on....

and through brilliant sarcasm show once again how the "tolerant progressive" really are not so and show just as much religious fervor and passion for their beliefs as anyone.

That is the main draw to me here at OW....getting to see once again how tolerant secular humanists are none of those things.

And this day is rather plentiful!

Explains Lussy:

"That's what a discussion board is FOR Jeff."

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And yet you whine about what you read on this board. I wouldn't be bragging about your education ace. You have a severe lack of common sense. I can prove a liberal a liar with Father Time and comon sense. Not so amazingly, most of the 911 conspiracy theorists can be debunked with just plain common sense.

Hey look, the rant queen has joined us on his lunch break again, complete with a brand new moniker! Hi Laura!

Isn't it funny how real pussies like 'Laura' have this way of transforming themselves into tough guys when they get on an anonymous internet blog?

"Not so amazingly, most of the 911 conspiracy theorists can be debunked with just plain common sense.".....And your point is???

OK, Phari-cee,

I take your post above as an invitation for debate rather than the unidirectional and well-deserved bashing you have been recipient of today.

Let's start by hearing your anaysis of my repetitively posted sequence of Bush mumblances illustrating the steady entropy of the once lofty neoconservative proclamations that pulled this country into its foreign disaster:

“Iraq will serve as a beacon; a beacon of freedom in a part of the world desperate for freedom and liberty.” George W. Bush; December 19, 2005

“Victory in Iraq is a government that can sustain itself, govern itself, and defend itself” George W. Bush; June 9, 2006
“Iraq will be a society in which there is relative peace. I say relative peace because if there is, like, no car bombings it will never happen that way” George W. Bush; February 14, 2007

"Either we'll succeed, or we won't succeed. And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down. Success is not no violence. ... But success is a level of violence where the people feel comfortable about living their daily lives." George W. Bush; May 2, 2007

“If the standard of success is no car bombings or suicide bombings we have just handed those who commit car bombings a huge victory” George W. Bush; April 24, 2007.

Mike and and Sir Loin of crap are both enormous pussies. You pieces of human excrement are notorious for mistaking skepticism for intelligence. Good thing you've got that english lit degree Sir Loin, that way you can actually fool yourself with your own bullshit. Pathetic absolutely fucking pathetic. The both of you.

Pukes SLOB:

"Phari-cee is typical of the gelatinized constituency of a fascist state (which we are not yet, I believe - we just have a fascist administration engaged in dismantling the apparatus of our democracy). They support the executive and its shock troops through lip-service and the explicit promise to do absolutley nothing."

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You are so full of shit you meter is pegged. Um, we've been waiting for Olbyfuck to give us a shred of evidence GW has broken any law or violated any right.

I can see it now. SLOB is standing on top of the Sears Tower with the floors below him going up in flames and the fire is starting to burn the cheeks on his fatss and just before he jumps he thinks, "GW has been dismantling the apparatus of our democracy" just before he jumps. Get real. You aint lost a dmaned thing. We sure got the shit clocked out of us with Clinton getting his goober sucked int eh Oval Office and his pussyfist management of our country. You are just a partisan asshat whiner.

I'm sure any shock troop to you is any soldier or southern male.

Boo. Get under your bed like Reid told you to.

Posted by: I suck dick at September 13, 2007 1:47 PM

This guy has assumed the monikers of a vapid Stepford-wife (laura Bush), a self-shitting, draft-dodging war-monger (Ted Nugent), and a raft of other sordid Republican heroes, but I've never seen him come right out and lay it on the line like this before.

Hurls Lussy:

"Hey look, the rant queen has joined us on his lunch break again, complete with a brand new moniker! Hi Laura!

Isn't it funny how real pussies like 'Laura' have this way of transforming themselves into tough guys when they get on an anonymous internet blog?"

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Finally touched a nerve and got a rise. Lussy, um, you are the one that is a whiner.

Tough guy? Really? I don;t see it that way by shoveling up all the shit you sling and handing it back to you. But, we all know how a liberal squeals when you stand up to him.

Um, just drive to the end of Huffman Road in Cherokee, SC anytime you want to discuss anyting when me chicken shit.

Crash: "You pieces of human excrement are notorious for mistaking skepticism for intelligence."

It is true that you do need intelligence in order to have intelligent skepticism, but we are far beyond 'skepticism'. Our skepticism from from the early years of this crooked and incompetent administration has turned into reality in almost every situation.

That said, I'll just dispense with returning your inane "human escrement" type comments so I won't look as unhinged as you obviously are.

Hurls SLOB:

"This guy has assumed the monikers of a vapid Stepford-wife (laura Bush), a self-shitting, draft-dodging war-monger (Ted Nugent), and a raft of other sordid Republican heroes, but I've never seen him come right out and lay it on the line like this before."

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Wow, I'm impressed. What gave me away?

Um, Mr. Matlock, smoking your ass is getting to be so easy I may have to offer you a reach around the next time I plow your asshole.

"I suck dick"......I guess ole Laura finally had to own up to being someone's bitch after being exposed yesterday.

Posted by: Crash at September 13, 2007 1:54 PM

OK, Bumblefuck, What's your "skepticism" say about the downward spiral of Bush's fundamental war-rhetoric that I've posted over and over with no righties stepping up to defend their fetish/president?

“Iraq will serve as a beacon; a beacon of freedom in a part of the world desperate for freedom and liberty.” George W. Bush; December 19, 2005

“Victory in Iraq is a government that can sustain itself, govern itself, and defend itself” George W. Bush; June 9, 2006

“Iraq will be a society in which there is relative peace. I say relative peace because if there is, like, no car bombings it will never happen that way” George W. Bush; February 14, 2007

"Either we'll succeed, or we won't succeed. And the definition of success as I described is sectarian violence down. Success is not no violence. ... But success is a level of violence where the people feel comfortable about living their daily lives." George W. Bush; May 2, 2007

“If the standard of success is no car bombings or suicide bombings we have just handed those who commit car bombings a huge victory” George W. Bush; April 24, 2007.

And don't forget; this whole belief-slide began AFTER the WMD/"Saddam is an exitential threat" narative was exposed as bullshit.

Pisses Lussy:

"It is true that you do need intelligence in order to have intelligent skepticism, but we are far beyond 'skepticism'. Our skepticism from from the early years of this crooked and incompetent administration has turned into reality in almost every situation.

That said, I'll just dispense with returning your inane "human escrement" type comments so I won't look as unhinged as you obviously are. "

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Yeah? Other than a tough go in Iraq you aint got shit to say about George Bush. Not a damned thing. And if he hadn't invaded Iraq it would be something else.

Look up the definition of dispense Lussy because you have no idea what it means. While you are in there look up terrorism too.

"Um, just drive to the end of Huffman road in Cherokee, SC anytime you want to discuss anyting when me chicken shit."

Are you kidding Laura?....And horn in on Tyrone's bitch like that? Me and Tyrone are buddies you know.

Lussy:

"Are you kidding Laura?....And horn in on Tyrone's bitch like that? Me and Tyrone are buddies you know."

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Yeah, that's what I thought Lussy. I'd have you bent over like Ned Beatty with a ring through your nose. Squeel boy.

"Yeah, other than a tough go on Iraq you aint got shit to say about Geoge Bush. Not a damned thing."

Yeah you sure got me on that one Laura!....I mean other than Jeffry Dahmer's murderous cannibalism, I really ain't got 'shit' to say about him either!

With regard to your assertion that the neoconservative wish for Iraq has undergone a reduction in idealism....your are wrong....

The President is just as passionate and focused that this battle in Iraq and Afghanistan is ideological.....democracy over totalitarianism....

Just last month at the Foreign Legion Convention:

"We meet today at a critical time for our country. America is engaged in a great ideological struggle -- fighting Islamic extremists across the globe. Today I want to talk to you and to the American people about a key aspect of the struggle: the fight for the future of the Middle East. I'm going to explain why defeating the extremists in this troubled region is essential to our nation's security, and why success in Iraq is vital to winning this larger ideological battle.

[...]

"Many people in this country are asking whether the fight underway today is worth it. This is not the first time Americans have asked that question. We always enter wars reluctantly -- yet we have fought whenever dangers came. We fought when turmoil in Europe threatened to shroud the world in darkness. America sent its military to fight two bitter and bloody conflicts -- we did what we had to do to get the job done. We fought when powers in Asia attacked our country and our allies. We sent Americans to restore the peace -- and we did what we had to do to get the job done. And we responded when radicals and extremists attacked our homeland in the first ideological war of the 21st century. We toppled two regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq that gave harbor to terrorists, defied the international community, and threatened the security of our nation. And now we're working to help build free and secure societies in their place -- and like the past, we will do what we have to do to get the job done.

"We've learned from history that dangers in other parts of the world -- such as Europe and Asia -- directly affect our security here at home. On September the 11th, 2001, we learned that there's another region of the world that directly threatens the security of the American people -- and that is the Middle East. America has enduring and vital interests in the region. Throughout our history, the American people have had strong links with this region -- through ties of commerce and education and faith. Long before oil and gas were discovered in the Middle East the region was a key source of trade. It is the home to three of the world's great religions. It remains a strategic crossroads for the world.

"Yet the hope and prosperity that transformed other parts of the world in the 20th century has bypassed too many in the Middle East. For too long, the world was content to ignore forms of government in this region -- in the name of stability. The result was that a generation of young people grew up with little hope to improve their lives, and many fell under the sway of violent Islamic extremism. The terrorist movement multiplied in strength, and bitterness that had simmered for years boiled into violence across the world. The cradle of civilization became the home of the suicide bomber. And resentments that began on the streets of the Middle East are now killing innocent people in train stations and airplanes and office buildings around the world.

"The murderers and beheaders are not the true face of Islam; they are the face of evil. They seek to exploit religion as a path to power and a means to dominate the Middle East. The violent Islamic radicalism that inspires them has two main strains. One is Sunni extremism, embodied by al Qaida and its terrorist allies. Their organization advances a vision that rejects tolerance, crushes all dissent, and justifies the murder of innocent men, women, and children in the pursuit of political power. We saw this vision in the brutal rule of the Taliban in Afghanistan, where women were publicly whipped, men were beaten for missing prayer meetings, and young girls could not go to school.

"These extremists hope to impose that same dark vision across the Middle East by raising up a violent and radical caliphate that spans from Spain to Indonesia. So they kill fellow Muslims in places like Algeria and Jordan and Egypt and Saudi Arabia in an attempt to undermine their governments. And they kill Americans because they know we stand in their way. And that is why they attacked U.S. embassies in Africa in 1998, and killed sailors aboard the USS Cole in 2001 [sic]. And that is why they killed nearly 3,000 people on 9/11. And that is why they plot to attack us again. And that is why we must stay in the fight until the fight is won.

"The other strain of radicalism in the Middle East is Shia extremism, supported and embodied by the regime that sits in Tehran. Iran has long been a source of trouble in the region. It is the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism. Iran backs Hezbollah who are trying to undermine the democratic government of Lebanon. Iran funds terrorist groups like Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which murder the innocent, and target Israel, and destabilize the Palestinian territories. Iran is sending arms to the Taliban in Afghanistan, which could be used to attack American and NATO troops. Iran has arrested visiting American scholars who have committed no crimes and pose no threat to their regime. And Iran's active pursuit of technology that could lead to nuclear weapons threatens to put a region already known for instability and violence under the shadow of a nuclear holocaust.

"Iran's actions threaten the security of nations everywhere. And that is why the United States is rallying friends and allies around the world to isolate the regime, to impose economic sanctions. We will confront this danger before it is too late.

"I want our fellow citizens to consider what would happen if these forces of radicalism and extremism are allowed to drive us out of the Middle East. The region would be dramatically transformed in a way that could imperil the civilized world. Extremists of all strains would be emboldened by the knowledge that they forced America to retreat. Terrorists could have more safe havens to conduct attacks on Americans and our friends and allies. Iran could conclude that we were weak -- and could not stop them from gaining nuclear weapons. And once Iran had nuclear weapons, it would set off a nuclear arms race in the region.

"Extremists would control a key part of the world's energy supply, could blackmail and sabotage the global economy. They could use billions of dollars of oil revenues to buy weapons and pursue their deadly ambitions. Our allies in the region would be under greater siege by the enemies of freedom. Early movements toward democracy in the region would be violently reversed. This scenario would be a disaster for the people of the Middle East, a danger to our friends and allies, and a direct threat to American peace and security. This is what the extremists plan. For the sake of our own security, we'll pursue our enemies, we'll persevere and we will prevail.

"In the short-term, we're using all elements of American power to protect the American people by taking the fight to the enemy. Our troops are carrying out operations day by day to bring the terrorists to justice. We're keeping the pressure on them. We're forcing them to move. Our law enforcement and intelligence professionals are working to cut off terrorist financing and disrupt their networks. Our diplomats are rallying our friends and allies throughout the region to share intelligence and to tighten security and to rout out the extremists hiding in their midst. Every day we work to protect the American people. Our strategy is this: We will fight them over there so we do not have to face them in the United States of America.

"In the long-term, we are advancing freedom and liberty as the alternative to the ideologies of hatred and repression. We seek a Middle East of secure democratic states that are at peace with one another, that are participating in the global markets, and that are partners in this fight against the extremists and radicals. We seek to dry up the stream of recruits for al Qaeda and other extremists by helping nations offer their people a path to a more hopeful future. We seek an Iran whose government is accountable to its people -- instead of to leaders who promote terror and pursue the technology that could be used to develop nuclear weapons. We seek to advance a two-state solution for the Israelis and Palestinians so they can live side by side in peace and security. We seek justice and dignity and human rights for all the people of the Middle East.

"Achieving this future requires hard work and strategic patience over many years. Yet our security depends on it. We have done this kind of work before in Europe. We have done this kind of work before in Japan. We have done this kind of work before -- and it can be done again.

"The future course of the Middle East will turn heavily on the outcome of the fight in Iraq. Iraq is at the heart of the Middle East. And the two dangerous strains of extremism vying for control of the Middle East have now closed in on this country in an effort to bring down the young democracy. In Iraq, Sunni extremists, led by al Qaeda, are staging sensational attacks on innocent men, women, and children in an attempt to stoke sectarian violence. Their operatives have assassinated those seeking to build a new future for the Iraqi people. Their targets include everyone they consider infidels -- including Christians and Jews and Yezidis and Shia, and even fellow Sunnis who do not share their radical distortion of Islam. Their ranks include foreign fighters who travel to Iraq through Syria. Their operations seek to create images of chaos and carnage to break the will of the American people. These killers don't understand our country. America does not give in to thugs and assassins -- and America will not abandon Iraq in its hour of need.

"Shia extremists, backed by Iran, are training Iraqis to carry out attacks on our forces and the Iraqi people. Members of the Qods Force of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps are supplying extremist groups with funding and weapons, including sophisticated IEDs. And with the assistance of Hezbollah, they've provided training for these violent forces inside of Iraq. Recently, coalition forces seized 240-millimeter rockets that had been manufactured in Iran this year and that had been provided to Iraqi extremist groups by Iranian agents. The attacks on our bases and our troops by Iranian-supplied munitions have increased in the last few months -- despite pledges by Iran to help stabilize the security situation in Iraq.

"Some say Iran's leaders are not aware of what members of their own regime are doing. Others say Iran's leaders are actively seeking to provoke the West. Either way, they cannot escape responsibility for aiding attacks against coalition forces and the murder of innocent Iraqis. The Iranian regime must halt these actions. And until it does, I will take actions necessary to protect our troops. I have authorized our military commanders in Iraq to confront Tehran's murderous activities.

"For all those who ask whether the fight in Iraq is worth it, imagine an Iraq where militia groups backed by Iran control large parts of the country. Imagine an Iraq where al Qaeda has established sanctuaries to safely plot future attacks on targets all over the world, including America. We've seen what these enemies will do when American forces are actively engaged in Iraq. And we can envision what they would do if we -- if they were emboldened by American forces in retreat. The challenge in Iraq comes down to this: Either the forces of extremism succeed, or the forces of freedom succeed. Either our enemies advance their interests in Iraq, or we advance our interests. The most important and immediate way to counter the ambitions of al Qaeda and Iran and other forces of instability and terror is to win the fight in Iraq. Together our coalition has achieved great things in Iraq. We toppled one of the world's most brutal and dangerous dictators. This world is better off without Saddam Hussein in power. The Iraqi people held three national elections, choosing a transitional government, adopting the most progressive and democratic constitution in the Arab world, and then electing a government under that constitution. Despite endless threats from the car bombers and assassins, nearly 12 million Iraqi citizens came out to vote in a show of hope and solidarity that we should never forget.

"In 2006, a thinking enemy struck back. The extremists provoked a level of sectarian violence that threatened to unravel the democratic gains the Iraqi people had made. Momentum was shifting to the extremists. The Iraqi people saw that their government could not protect them, or deliver basic services. Many Shia turned to militias for security. Many Sunnis did not see a place for them in the new Iraq. Baghdad was descending into chaos. And one of our military intelligence analysts wrote that Anbar Province -- al Qaeda's base in Iraq -- was lost to the enemy.

"Given the stakes in Iraq, given the fact that what happens in Iraq matters in the United States, it became clear that we needed to adjust our approach to address these changes on the ground. So in January, I laid out a new strategy. This strategy was designed to help bring security to the Iraqi population, especially in Baghdad. It was designed to help clear the terrorists out of Iraqi cities and communities so that local governments could retake control, resume basic services, and help revive businesses in their communities. It was designed to give the Iraqi security forces time to grow in size and capability so that they can ultimately bring security to their country. It was designed to provide a secure environment in which national reconciliation could take place. And it was designed to encourage more members of the international community to recognize their interest in a free and democratic Iraq -- and to do more to help make that possible.

"The central objective of this strategy was to aid the rise of an Iraqi government that can protect its people, deliver basic services, and be an ally in this war on terror. And we understood that none of these goals could be met until the Iraqi people feel safer in their own homes and neighborhoods. To carry out this new strategy I sent reinforcements to Baghdad and Anbar Province. I put a new commander in place -- General David Petraeus, an expert on counterinsurgency. Those reinforcements have been fully operational for just over two months. Yet there are unmistakable signs that our strategy is achieving the objectives we set out. Our new strategy is showing results in terms of security. Our forces are in the fight all over Iraq. Since January, each month we have captured or killed an average of more than 1,500 al Qaeda terrorists and other enemies of Iraq's elected government. Al Qaeda is being displaced from former strongholds in Baghdad and Anbar and Diyala provinces.

"We've conducted operations against Iranian agents supplying lethal munitions to extremist groups. We've targeted Shia death squads and their supply networks. The Prime Minister of Iraq, Prime Minister Maliki, has courageously committed to pursue the forces of evil and destruction. Sectarian violence has sharply decreased in Baghdad. The momentum is now on our side. The surge is seizing the initiative from the enemy -- and handing it to the Iraqi people.

"Our new strategy is also showing results in places where it matters most -- the cities and neighborhoods where ordinary Iraqis live. In these areas, Iraqis are increasingly reaching accommodations with each other, with the coalition, and with the government in Baghdad. This reconciliation is coming from the bottom up. It's having an impact in the fight against the enemy and it's building a solid foundation for a democratic Iraq.

"In Anbar, the province that had been thought to be lost to the enemy, is increasingly becoming more peaceful because members of local Sunnis are turning against al Qaeda. They're sick and tired of the dark vision of these murderers. Local sheikhs have joined the American forces to drive the terrorists out of the capital city of Ramadi and elsewhere. Residents are providing critical intelligence, and tribesmen have joined the Iraqi police and security forces.

"People want to live in peace. Mothers want to raise their children in a peaceful environment. The local Iraqis, given a chance, are turning against these murderers and extremists. Many Iraqis who once felt marginalized in a free Iraq are rejoining the political process, and now it's the enemy of a free Iraq that is being left on the margins. Last month, provincial officials reopened parts of the war-damaged government center with the help of one of our provincial reconstruction teams. Similar scenes are taking place all across Anbar, the province once thought lost. Virtually every city and every town in the province now has a mayor and a municipal council. Local officials are forming ties with the central government in Baghdad because these Sunni leaders now see a role for their people in a new Iraq. And in an encouraging sign, the central government is beginning to respond with funding for vital services and reconstruction, and increased security forces.

"In other provinces, there are also signs of this kind of bottom-up progress. In Diyala Province, the city of Baqubah reopened six banks, providing residents with capital for the local economy. In Ninewa Province, local officials have established a commission to investigate corruption, with a local judge empowered to pursue charges of fraud and racketeering. These are signs that our strategy to encourage political cooperation at the grassroots level is working. And over time, see, and over time, as the Iraqis take control over their lives at the local level, they will demand more action from their national leaders in Baghdad. That's how democracy works. And that's why the encouraging developments at the local level are so important for Iraq's future.

"At the moment, our new strategy is showing fewer results at the national level. Iraq is overcoming decades of tyranny and deprivation, which left scars on Iraq's people and their psyche. The serious sectarian violence of 2006 and early 2007 further tore at the fabric of Iraqi society, increasing distrust between Iraq's ethnic and religious communities. In the midst of the security challenges, Iraq's leaders are being asked to resolve political issues as complex and emotional as the struggle for civil rights in our own country. So it is no wonder that progress is halting, and people are often frustrated. The result is that it has been harder than anticipated for Iraqis to meet the legislative benchmarks on which we have all been focused.

"In my weekly consultations with Ambassador Crocker we discuss these challenges. We also discuss the signs of hope. We're encouraged by the agreement reached Sunday night by the top leaders in Iraq's government. They agree on several draft pieces of legislation that are at the core of national reconciliation -- and are among the benchmarks identified by the United States Congress. For example, the draft law on de-Baathification reform addresses the question of how Iraqis will deal with their past. The draft legislation on provincial powers tackles how Iraqis will map out their future. These measures still have to be passed by the Iraqi parliament. Yet the agreement shows that Iraq's leaders can put aside their differences, they can sit down together, and they can work out tough issues central to the fate of their country. The agreement by Iraq's leaders was significant for another reason. It thanks the coalition for our sacrifices, and recognizes the importance of maintaining a coalition presence in Iraq. It also calls for the development of a long-term relationship with the United States. I welcome this invitation. I've committed our government to negotiating such a partnership soon. This long-term relationship need not require the level of engagement that we have in Iraq today. But it can serve the common interests of both Iraq and the United States -- to combat terrorism, and to help bring stability to an important country and region.

"Iraq's government still has more work to do to meet many of its legislative benchmarks. Yet it's also important to note that many of the goals behind these benchmarks are being achieved without legislation. Here's an example: We believed that an equitable sharing of oil revenues would require the Iraqi parliament to pass an oil-sharing law. In fact, the national government is already sharing oil revenues with the provinces -- despite the fact that no formal law has been passed. Iraq's government is making gains in other important areas. Electricity production is improving. The parliament has passed about 60 pieces of legislation, including a $41-billion budget. Despite the slow progress in the Iraqi parliament -- here's the evidence -- Iraq as a whole is moving forward.

"Our strategy is also showing results at the international level. The United Nations and Iraq -- with support from the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and nations from around the globe -- have finalized an International Compact for Iraq that will bring new economic assistance and debt relief in exchange for aggressive economic reforms. So far, the Iraqis have made significant progress in meeting the IMF's economic benchmarks. The Iraqis have convened a Neighbors Conference that's bringing together nations in the region. The goal is to help the Iraqis through specific security and economic and diplomatic cooperation. As part of these diplomatic initiatives, Prime Minister Maliki has met with counterparts in Turkey, Syria, and Iran to urge the support for his nation. Saudi Arabia is looking to open a new embassy in Baghdad. The United Nations Security Council has decided to expand its mission in Iraq, and is seeking to help with local elections and reconciliation. The United Nations will soon name a new high-ranking envoy to Iraq, to coordinate the UN's expanded effort to that country. Here's what I'm telling you -- the international community increasingly understands the importance of a free Iraq. They understand a free Iraq is important for world peace. And that is why we'll continue to rally the world for this noble and necessary cause.

"All these developments are hopeful -- they're hopeful for Iraq, and they're hopeful for the Middle East, and they're hopeful for peace. In two weeks, General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker will return to Washington to deliver an interim assessment of the situation on the ground and the prospects for the future. This status report comes less than three months after the surge became fully operational. It will likely assess what's going well in Iraq, and what needs to be improved, and what changes we need to make in our strategy and force deployments in the months ahead. Congress asked for this assessment. Congress should listen to it in its entirety. And I ask members of the Congress to withhold any conclusions until they can hear these men out.

"Unfortunately, some who had complained about a lack of security in Iraq are now attempting to change the terms of the debate. Their argument used to be that security was bad, so the surge has failed. Now their argument seems to be security is better, so the surge has failed. They disregard the political advances on the local level, and instead change -- charge that the slow pace of legislative progress on the national level proves our strategy has not worked. This argument gets it backwards. Improving security is the precondition for making gains in other areas.

"Senator Joe Lieberman puts it this way: 'While it is true there is no pure 'military' solution to the violence in Iraq, it is worth remembering that neither is there any pure 'political' solution.' Security progress must come first. And only then can political progress follow -- first locally, and then in Baghdad. So it's going to take time for the recent progress we have seen in security to translate into political progress. In short, it makes no sense to respond to military progress by claiming that we have failed because Iraq's parliament has yet to pass every law it said it would.

"The American people know how difficult democracy can be. Our own country has an advanced and sophisticated political system in place. Yet even we can't pass a budget on time -- and we've had 200 years of practice. (Applause.) Prime Minister Maliki and other Iraqi leaders are dealing with the issues far more controversial and complicated, and they are trying to do it all at once, after decades of a brutal dictatorship. Iraq's leaders aren't perfect. But they were elected by their people. They want what we want -- a free Iraq that fights terrorists instead of harboring them. And leaders in Washington need to look for ways to help our Iraqi allies succeed -- not excuses for abandoning them.

"The challenge is before us -- the challenge before us is hard, but America can meet it. And the conflict has come at a cost, on behalf of a cause that is right and essential to the American people. It's a noble cause. It is a just cause. It is a necessary cause. I wouldn't have asked the young men and women of our military to go in harm's way if I didn't think success in Iraq was necessary for the security of the United States of America. (Applause.) I know it can be difficult to see sometimes, but what happens on the streets of Baghdad and in the neighborhoods of Anbar has a direct impact on the safety of Americans here at home. And that is why we're in this fight. And that's why we'll stay in the fight, and that is why we're going to win this fight."

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I believe nothing has change despite your picked quotes, Loin. Bush is just as committed to the cause as he was on 9/11/01 when he witnessed the same evil ideology we are fighting in Iraq now kill Americans on American soil.

Love to chat more with you lovely ladies some more but my hour is up. I worked till 12:30 so I'm back at my blue collar job making chips on a CNC vertical machine center. The otehr day Mike flamed me by telling to to get back on my machine. Whatsamatter Mike, you got something against a guy running a CNC machine? Fuck, at least they have a job. Um, everywhere I've worked in a matter of a few weeks I have made myself the best engineer in a plant. The number one reason Lussy, I treat people with respect. On my last review I was told they have never had an engineer that so many on the floor made compliments about. Yeah, Lussy, that's the south.

Put me anywhere you Yankees are and there will be a boat load of assholes with boots in them. See ya tomorrow losers.

"Yeah thats what I though Lussy. I'd have you bent over like Ned Baetty with a ring through your nose. Squeel boy."

Tyrone told me how you talk like that when ge's doing you. He thinks it's SOOOO sexy!

General Petreaus has more integrity than Keith and all his ass lickers that post on this site put together. Fully half of America now believes this effort in Iraq should go forward, and that number is going to grow. 17 months more of this administration will show Dems losing support and the upcoming elections are going to reflect that. ONWARD!

Man, just Man, look at youselves, look at what this once proud board has degenrated into, the hateful vile spew, gay cracks, net beatty jokes..

And what a shock, Mike Finds himself in the middle of it

Turdness Erectus.....Thy name is Mike

Redneck Laura: "I treat people with respect."

ROFLMAO!

So I guess THIS must be where you release all your pent up dis-respect?

You have to love Keith's quote of H. L. Mencken: "The larger the mob, the harder the test. In small areas, before small electorates, a first-rate man occasionally fights his way through, carrying even the mob with him by force of his personality. But when the field is nationwide, and the fight must be waged chiefly at second and third hand, and the force of personality cannot so readily make itself felt, then all the odds are on the man who is, intrinsically, the most devious and mediocre -- the man who can most easily adeptly disperse the notion that his mind is a virtual vacuum.

The Presidency tends, year by year, to go to such men. As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

Cee and the other sheep who follow Bush's leadership (or lack thereof) are the "plain folks" referred to by Mr. Mencken. They look but do not see, they hear but they do not listen. The current ruling elite (read Bush dynasty) rotate their position only when they occasionally wipe the fog off their stomach windows to see in what new direction they must proceed.

"Now, anyone who has had the opportunity to meet the General, and anybody who has bothered to follow his career or his academic pursuits, knows that these are dangerous and unwarranted allegations. However, there might be a silver lining to this slander. Libel, really, because it was printed The New York Times. Now, all of America understands MoveOn.org and other groups like it are called the nutroots of our society. These people are nuts and they don't care who they hurt, they don't care who they smear they don't care who they libel. Politics is more important than anything else and power is the most important anything of all."
Sen. Orrin Hatch

This from a moderate Republican who voted against the impeachment of Clinton.

Hey MoronsAbound, please use your quote as a test of all of the current democrat party candidates. In my opinion, you can just as easily shoehorn all of them as mediocre as well.

Please do not limit the evaluation to Bush.....What about Bill Clinton,

Regan,

Carter,

LBJ,

Nixon,

Kennedy?

What makes any of these former people a "Personality" Mr. Mencken would not decide is mediocre?

A very interesting discussion if you are really serious and choose to be just as fastidious about assigning mediocrity towards the above as you are about proclaiming it on Mr. Bush, who has not even left office yet.

Cee expects exactly whom to read his 100 paragraph essay ?

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Too many word for you, anon? Loin claims Bush has diminished the cause in Iraq....Just last month in front of The American Legion (I can't believe I typed "Foreign Legion"!) he laid it all out for you cynics again....

It is not about oil.
It is not about feeding the faceless MIC.
It is not about converting muslims to christianity.
It is not about any other conspiracy theory you have cooked up.

It is about freedom over totalitarianism.

But I know you won't believe me or Bush so continue your lives as before.

This is Cee's guy !
The most laugh out loud ridiculous stooge of a president we have ever had.

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Well, the stooge seems to have your leaders befuddled...so what do you call them?

They do everything he requests regarding this biggest of all issues....Yep, my guy sure is dumb and weak!

This is the same dumb guy that won two national elections to democrats that are still lifted up as "intellectuals."

Yep, that dumb Texan sure can't hack it.

Keep up the paradox, leftists...Bush is playing the left's elite like a fiddle.

He even has better popularity numbers than the democrats now! What a dumb guy!

I believe nothing has change despite your picked quotes, Loin. Bush is just as committed to the cause as he was on 9/11/01 when he witnessed the same evil ideology we are fighting in Iraq now kill Americans on American soil.

Posted by: Cee

Are you kidding me? The only thing Bush witnessed on September 11, 2001 was his opportunity to attack Iraq. Nothing more. It has already been documented that Bush knew nothing about the Al Qaeda threat against us. His !swift reaction to the Cole attack is evidence to that.

"Go to any comedy night club and just say the words 'George Bush'....uproarious laughter ensues."

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I am glad the man can bring such joy to people! I really see big smiles of Reid's, Hillary's, Pelosi's and Obama's faces this week!

Oh and those approval numbers....

W 32.7% approval
Congress 21.5% approval

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Yeah, The President is a joke, but only less funny than that of the congressional democrats pretending to lead!

Poor anon, trying to seperate the democrat leaders who "took over" the congress in 2006 from the approval numbers....Sorry, people think "democrat" when they are asked about congress....and if they had high numbers, you would be claiming them as your own.

These posts take about 30 seconds at most to put out becuase you are easily refuted, anon.....I actually have been on time all day today....It's been nice.

Wanna (AAP), you have got to lay off those liquid lunches....your brain will thank you!

You're a funny one, wanna....you still can't accept that Sudan is often considered part of The Middle East....

http://www.iata.org/ps/intelligence_statistics/cargois/middle_east.htm

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I just saw two patients while you were creating that terrific and humorous post at 3:21....You are slipping!

WASHINGTON (AP) - The federal deficit is running sharply lower than last year even though spending in August set an all-time high, the government reported Thursday.
The Treasury Department said that the deficit through the first 11 months of this budget year totaled $274.4 billion, down 9.8 percent from the same period a year ago.

Analysts believe the deficit for all of 2007 will actually be even lower because they are forecasting a sizable surplus in the final month, reflecting in part timing issues that caused about $44 billion in Social Security and Medicare payments that normally would have been made in September to be shifted into August.

The Congressional Budget Office is forecasting that when this budget year wraps up on Sept. 30, the deficit will total $158 billion, down by 36.2 percent from last year's $248.2 billion deficit.

The government's books have been helped this year by record flows of tax receipts, which have continued even though economic growth has been reduced by a serious slump in housing.

A deficit of $158 billion would be the best showing since the budget was actually in balance for four years. The last surplus was in 2001, President Bush's first year in office.

While forecasts had projected that government surpluses would total $5.6 trillion over the next decade, the 2001 recession, spending on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the president's first-term tax cuts all combined to wipe out those surpluses.

Republicans contend that Bush's tax cuts are a major reason that government receipts are so strong now, but Democrats contend that the tax cuts are providing very little economic stimulus and that revenues are simply rebounding to more normal levels after slumping earlier in the decade.

The deficit hit an all-time high in dollar terms in 2004 at $413 billion and has been declining since then. The administration is projecting that the government's books will be in surplus by 2012 if Congress follows Bush's recommendations on spending restraint. However, the Democratic-controlled Congress is pushing for higher spending for the budget year that begins Oct. 1. Bush has pledged to veto spending bills that exceed his requests.

For August, the deficit totaled $116.9 billion. However, about $44 billion of that figure reflected payments for Social Security and Medicare that were mailed in August because Sept. 1 fell on a Saturday and Labor Day came on Sept. 3.

Through the first 11 months of the current budget year, receipts total a record $2.282 trillion, up 7.5 percent from last year, while outlays totaled a record $2.557 trillion, up 5.3 percent from last year.

Democratic presidential hopeful Bill Richardson and a host of congressional candidates from both parties accepted cash from Oscar S. Wyatt Jr. and his wife, Lynn,since the federal government accused the Texas oilman of paying millions of dollars in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein.

Wyatt was indicted in 2005 on charges related to illegal payments for oil contracts from the Hussein-led Iraqi government under the United Nations’ oil-for-food program. And since then, the Wyatts have found willing recipients for nearly $22,000 in political donations.

After inquiries from Politico, Richardson and Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg (D-N.J.) said they would donate the Wyatts’ contributions to charity and return them, respectively, while other recipients are awaiting the outcome of Wyatt’s trial that started this month in New York.

Donors’ backgrounds have emerged as an intriguing subplot in Campaign ’08. That’s both because the presidential race has witnessed unprecedented early fundraising and spending and because campaigns are increasingly relying on super-donors known as bundlers to rustle up cash from others — giving them influence beyond the $4,600-per-person contribution limit.

Political giving is old hat for the Wyatts, a colorful couple known for entertaining at their Houston home, where guests have included the Duchess of York and Liza Minnelli.

Since the mid-1990s, they’ve cut checks totaling more than $670,000 to national committees and candidates for federal office, including donations to the earlier campaigns of four current presidential candidates in addition to Richardson: Democratic Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Joe Biden of Delaware and Republican Sens. John McCain of Arizona and Sam Brownback of Kansas.

Overall, according to a Politico analysis of Federal Election Commission records, more than 70 percent of the Wyatts’ contributions have gone to Democrats — a pattern that has continued since Oscar Wyatt’s arrest.

Since then, they’ve given $4,600 (actually, $2,300 from him and $2,300 from her) to both Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.) and Richardson, who served as U.S. ambassador to the U.N. during the early days of the oil-for-food program.

Oscar Wyatt also gave $600 to Sen. John Cornyn (R-Texas), and Lynn Wyatt gave $4,600 to Lautenberg and $4,500 to the campaign and leadership committees of Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-Texas).

If Wyatt is found guilty, Rockefeller, Cornyn and Hutchison will either refund or donate Oscar Wyatt’s contributions, aides said, with each adding that it’s pursuant to their boss’s campaign policies.

“If any contributor pleads guilty or is found guilty, Sen. Hutchison returns their funds or donates them to charity,” said Matt Mackowiak, a spokesman for Hutchison, who since 1996 has accepted at least $11,500 for her campaign and leadership committees from the Wyatts.

In 1980, Wyatt pleaded guilty to misdemeanor charges of violating federal oil price regulations, according to a 2005 story in USA Today.

“He does play close to the edge,” said Rep. Gene Green (D-Texas), who has accepted $10,500 from the Wyatts since 1993 — including $2,000 since the 2005 indictment.

“But he’s given legal contributions to me, whether he was being investigated or not,” Green said. He will consider refunding the contributions if Wyatt is convicted, Green said, but cautioned that the justice system should be allowed to run its course.

“We’ll see whether the prosecution’s fair or not,” Green said. He suggested there may be political motivations behind the Justice Department’s prosecution of Wyatt, an outspoken critic of both President Bush and his father, the 41st president, and their invasions of Iraq.

According to his lawyers, Wyatt was actually involved in peace talks with Hussein before the first war.

More BIG oil donations to the democrats.

BillyRay bitches that Bush didn't do anything in response to the Cole attack... the one that occurred three months before he took office? That attack genius?

Hey Factor..if you lose 2 grand at the casino and then go back 2 weeks later and win $300 do you consider yourself a winner?

Thus rendering your economic news null and void.

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 3:36 PM

Well if I gave my wallot to the democrats and I only lost 1700 I would be quite happy.
The point is tax cuts work and always have, see JFK.

Cee I will agree that the current crop of POTUS wannabees (both right & left) are not the sharpest knives in the drawer but I would not classify any of them as "downright morons". GWB is. As my mother used to say "The man doesn't have the sense to pack dirt in a rat hole."

All the previous Presidents in my lifetime (Ike) are/were bright intelligent men. Granted a couple had some had a problem keeping it in their pants but it didn't affect the way they conducted their official duties. Thomas Jefferson (among others) had that problem and nobody criticizes him. And they all had policies that I didn't agree with but only the very ignorant considered them morons.

I have always been of the opinion that the neo-con/GOP found GWB as the perfect patsy to realize their agenda (Want to be a "war president" like your daddy George?). They did what they had to do to flush McCain and they had to do was get by Gore (even though it meant using the Supreme Court to do it).

Iraq was going to happen under Bush; that was the design. How convenient it was to ignore the warnings of the summer of 2001 and allow whatever was going to happen happen. I'm not saying the Bushies knew the WTC was being targeted but they knew something was and that was good enough. My hope is that under a Democratic administration the truths concerning the actions of this administation will be exposed.

Want to compare who gets more money from Big Oil?

Didn't think so !

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 3:39 PM

They should not be taking any money from BIG oil since they howl about it everday like a bunch of hypocrites. This guy is not just an oil barron, he is accused paying millions of dollars in kickbacks to Saddam Hussein.
Stick you head in the sand some more zombie.

has pleaded innocent to fraud, conspiracy and violating U.S. sanctions, counts carrying a total maximum of more than 60 years in prison. According to his lawyers, Wyatt advised presidents from John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton to Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, but he dislikes the Bushes.

The federal government is arguing Wyatt’s kickbacks accorded him a privileged status in Iraq and that he tipped off Hussein’s government to the impending 2003 invasion.

So who is the authority to not place Sudan in the region known as The Middle East, wanna?....

The CIA, the IATA, Wiki?

Please, you are becoming more and more delerious as the afternoon goes on.....

now put down that frozen margarita.....You and Spears are getting out of hand!

Which is why there was a surplus under Bill Clinton and huge deficits under George Bush.

You lose again !

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 3:47 PM

Bill Clinton was kept from spending by Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich balance the budget after having to shut down the goverment under Bill Clinton. Great Thanks.

THAT'S BECAUSE MOST OF THEM DON'T.
Posted by: at September 13, 2007 3:53 PM

BUT ALL OF THEM SAY BIG OIL IS EVILLLLL!!! SO WHY ARE ANY OF THEM TAKING MONEY FROM THIS GUY??

When Time Magazine named Gingrich their Man of the Year in 1995, they said that because of Newt a balanced budget was no longer a question of if, but when.
Great Thanks

*Rolling eyes*

MoronsAbound...you should rename yourself conspiraciesAbound....

"I'm not saying the Bushies knew the WTC was being targeted but they knew something was and that was good enough."

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I now know where you are coming from and I'll leave you with your tin foil hat and water pistol.

Although maybe one of wanna's (AAP's) libations would benefit your paranoid delusions. (I used a relgious reference just to make you happy, wanna!)

Moo.

BillyRay bitches that Bush didn't do anything in response to the Cole attack... the one that occurred three months before he took office? That attack genius?

posted by ?

Yes that attack moron. If memory serves late Dec 2001 the CIA made a preliminary judgment that Al Quaeda was responsible and Clinton deferred to GWB who was to take office less than a month later. GWB and his principals were briefed with in days of taking office and did nothing. Can you imagine the out cry from the rightwing nutjobs if Clinton had gone ahead and retaliated? Think about it.

BillyRay bitches that Bush didn't do anything in response to the Cole attack... the one that occurred three months before he took office? That attack genius?

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Yes that attack moron. If memory serves late Dec 2001 the CIA made a preliminary judgment that Al Quaeda was responsible and Clinton deferred to GWB who was to take office less than a month later. GWB and his principals were briefed with in days of taking office and did nothing. Something about swatting flies. Can you imagine the out cry from the rightwing nutjobs if Clinton had gone ahead and retaliated? Think about it.

typical loon-
I understand you losers think Clinton did all he could to fight Al Queda.... which is a totally idiotic assertion. He has no blood on his hands for 9/11. But lets move on.

But now you say Clinton didn't act on the Cole because he was afraid of republican outrage? So he sat in office for 3 months and passed the keys to Bush, expecting him to clean up HIS mess? He didn't act because he did not take the Al Queda threat seriously! The Congressional report on 9-11 from August said so.

You can't debate with these idiots. They are F'ed up!

So the Cole was Bush's responsibility? I am surprised you aren't blaming Bush for the first World Trade Center attack, which also warranted no response from Clinton.

"Cee will be salivating with anticipation upon the hope of any protestors spitting in the street."

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Oh yes...spitting on veternas is only a small part of the protestor's tactics....along with defacing memorials and recruiting stations. Just ask Joshua....

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

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But don't worry, true patriots will be there to catch the fringe in all their glory....

http://www.gatheringofeagles.org/

to protect the memorials and document the extreme methods of a small but vocal group that is more bark than bite.

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to remid people of the context of my oft posted quote from The New York Times.

BillyRay is one of those history revisionist Democrats. Clinton was a true warrior who DID all he could to take out Al Queda. New to the blog but just as dumb as every other Clinton apologist!

He says Clinton found out with a month left in office and passed a memo to Bush.

If you wonder why it took 50 years to get the truth about Joe McCarthy, consider the fanatical campaign of the Clinton acolytes to kill an ABC movie that relies on the 9/11 Commission Report, which whitewashed only 90 percent of Clinton's cowardice and incompetence in the face of terrorism, rather than 100 percent.

Islamic jihadists attacked America year after year throughout the Clinton administration. They did everything but blow up his proverbial "bridge to the 21st century." Every year but one, Clinton found an excuse not to fight back.

The first month Clinton was in office, Islamic terrorists with suspected links to al-Qaida and Saddam Hussein bombed the World Trade Center.

For the first time ever, a terrorist act against America was treated not as a matter of national security, but exclusively as a simple criminal offense. The individual bombers were tried in a criminal court. (The one plotter who got away fled to Iraq, that peaceful haven of kite-flying children until Bush invaded and turned it into a nation of dangerous lunatics.)

In 1995 and 1996, various branches of the Religion of Peace — al-Qaida, Hezbollah and the Iranian "Party of God" — staged car bomb attacks on American servicemen in Saudi Arabia, killing 24 members of our military in all. Each time, the Clinton administration came up with an excuse to do nothing.

Despite the Democrats' current claim that only the capture of Osama bin Laden will magically end terrorism forever, Clinton turned down Sudan's offer to hand us bin Laden in 1996. That year, Mohammed Atta proposed the 9/11 attack to bin Laden.

Clinton refused the handover of bin Laden because — he said in taped remarks on Feb. 15, 2002 — "(bin Laden) had committed no crime against America, so I did not bring him here because we had no basis on which to hold him." Luckily, after 9/11, we can get him on that trespassing charge.

Although Clinton made the criminal justice system the entire U.S. counterterrorism strategy, there was not even an indictment filed after the bombing of either Khobar Towers (1996) or the USS Cole (2000). Indictments were not filed until after Bush/Ashcroft came into office.

Only in 1998 did the Clinton-haters ("normal people") force Clinton into a military response. Solely because of the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Clinton finally lobbed a few bombs in the general direction of Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.

In August 1998, three days after Clinton admitted to the nation that he did in fact have "sex with that woman," he bombed Afghanistan and Sudan, doing about as much damage as another Clinton fusillade did to a blue Gap dress.

The day of Clinton's scheduled impeachment, Dec. 18, 1998, he bombed Iraq. This accomplished two things: (1) It delayed his impeachment for one day, and (2) it got a lot of Democrats on record about the monumental danger of Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction.

So don't tell me impeachment "distracted" Clinton from his aggressive pursuit of terrorists. He never would have bombed anyone if it weren't for the Clinton-haters.

As soon as Clinton was no longer "distracted" by impeachment, he went right back to doing nothing in response to terrorism. In October 2000, al-Qaida bombed the USS Cole, killing 17 sailors and nearly sinking the ship.

Clinton did nothing.

According to Rich Miniter, author of "Losing Bin Laden," Clinton's top national security advisers made the following classic Democrat excuses for doing nothing in response to the Cole attack:

— Attorney General Janet Reno "thought retaliation might violate international law and was therefore against it."

— CIA Director George Tenet "wanted more definitive proof that bin Laden was behind the attack, although he personally thought he was."

— Secretary of State Madeleine Albright "was concerned about the reaction of world opinion to a retaliation against Muslims and the impact it would have in the final days of the Clinton Middle East peace process." (How did that turn out, by the way? Big success, I take it? Everybody over there all friendly with one another?)

— Secretary of Defense William Cohen "did not consider the Cole attack 'sufficient provocation' for a military retaliation."

This is only an abbreviated list of Clinton's surrender to Islamic savagery. For a president who supposedly stayed up all night "working" and hated vacations, Clinton sure spent a lot of time sitting around on his butt while America was being attacked.

Less than a year after Clinton's final capitulation to Islamic terrorists, they staged the largest terrorist attack in history on U.S. soil. The Sept. 11 attack, planning for which began in the '90s, followed eight months of President Bush — but eight years of Bill Clinton.

Clinton's own campaign adviser on Iraq, Laurie Mylroie, says Clinton and his advisers are "most culpable" for the intelligence failure that allowed 9/11 to happen.

Now, after five years of no terrorist attacks in America, Democrats are hoping we'll forget the consequences of the Democrat strategy of doing nothing in response to terrorism and abandon the Bush policies that have kept this nation safe since 9/11. But first, they need to rewrite history.

Great piece Legacy!... but Shhhhhhh... the democrats see the war on terror from 1992 to 2000 as very aggressive!

The Factor: The genius who says global warming doesn't exist !

THAT Factor ?

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 4:11 PM

Ya, I also say the tooth fairy, Santa, and the Easter bunny don't exist. I think I am on pretty solid ground.

Crickets....

Wanna (AAP) must have gone one libation too far....."snore, moo".....

Anon (or anons) must be getting ready for his/her or their usual Thursday night party...

nacho chips and Yoo-Hoo with Keith Olbermann on COUNTDOWN!

Oh the fun!

Here is the goal of Global Warming alarmist

We know that babies add more to global warming than anything else in our home. Isn't it time to cut back?
According to The World Without Us, Alan Weisman's strangely comforting vision of human annihilation, the Earth would be a lot better off. In his doomsday scenario, freshwater floods would course through the New York subway system, ailanthus roots would heave up sidewalks, and a parade of coyotes, bears, and deer would eventually trot across the George Washington Bridge and repopulate Manhattan. Nature lovers can take solace in the idea that the planet will thrive once we've finally destroyed ourselves with global warming. But Weisman takes the fantasy one step further: Let's not wait for climate change, he says. Let's start depopulating right now.
As social policy, population control seems like an infringement on fundamental human rights. That's been the case in China, where mandatory birth planning has been a ghastly failure in both moral and practical terms. But these days, we tend to think of saving the environment in terms of personal choice, rather than government programs. We're obsessed with our green lifestyles-eating local, driving hybrids, paying off our excess carbon-dioxide emissions. From that perspective, voluntary familial extinction (or at least reduction) might not be such a bad idea. If you want to reduce your carbon footprint, cutting back on kids is the best choice you can possibly make.
In the crudest terms, you've added another version of yourself into the world, which means you're potentially doubling your carbon-dioxide emissions over the total life of your family. That's a high estimate, since our kids won't spew as much greenhouse gas as we do-automobiles, appliances, light bulbs, and everything else will become more efficient in coming generations. But these marginal improvements aren't going to make our babies carbon-neutral. They'll just contribute to global warming at somewhat lower rates than we do.
Our other green lifestyle choices can't even begin to offset the cost of adding a brand-new CO2-emitter to the population. When I ran my own numbers through Al Gore's carbon calculator, I discovered that a switch to 100 percent wind and solar power would reduce my emissions by just 1.3 tons per year. That's not even enough to account for one quarter of today's average American. Meanwhile, I'd have to do quite a bit of driving around in a Hummer H3 to mimic the environmental impact of creating another version of me. Not to mention the fact that my children might eventually decide to have their own children, who would emit even more carbon dioxide down the line.

In other words eugenics. Thanks but no thanks.

Clueless Why asks: Which president has come closer to getting Bin Laden...Clinton or Bush?

Actually Why- there are three reports of our military almost getting Bin Laden in Afghanistan. One in the past year. They say Clinton took 1 shot at him after 4 attacks in 8 years.

Go with facts, not your gut instincts. You'll look smarter.

Thanks for the softball!

OH in case you missed it- I REPEAT, "Clinton's own campaign adviser on Iraq, Laurie Mylroie, says Clinton and his advisers are "most culpable" for the intelligence failure that allowed 9/11 to happen.

" ---- " states
"you won't have the balls to provide a link from your right wing hate site"

Hate site? No its not from MoveOn.org.
The most hateful site around!

Still trying to push that myth that NewsWeek put out and then retracted because their own editor said it was bunk?
Global warming hype is a 50 billion dollar industry. That pays for all the private jet trips for Al Gore.

I agree both presidents are culpable. The start of the thread was a loon blaming Bush for the Cole.

"Why" there are a good deal of Dems that think Clinton is blameless for 9/11.... blindrat being the hugest proponent of that theory.

Factor has no idea how much an idiot he looks like for taking his global warming denying posts so seriously.

I'll stick with science.
You stick with the oil companies and the few rogue paid off scientists.

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 5:19 PM

Good, keep running around saying the sky is falling chicken little. I'll buy beach front proberty on the cheap.

a recent Gallup poll of climate scientists in the American Meteorological Society and in the American Geophysical Union shows that a vast majority doubts that there has been any identifiable man-caused warming to date (49 percent asserted no, 33 percent did not know, 18 percent thought some has occurred; however, among those actively involved in research and publishing frequently in peer-reviewed research journals, none believes that any man-caused global warming has been identified so far

More lies from liberals debunked.

The world is moving forward in creating policies that will slow climate cahnge.

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 5:29 PM

I guess China, India, and Russia are not part of the "world".
By the way, how many countries in the EU have been able to meet Kyoto Protocol emisson levels?

So no Gallup poll exist?

The anon Liberal Weenie writes

Nevada: “Reno set a record for heat Sunday, breaking an 81-year-old record, according to the National Weather Service.”

Czech Republic: “The temperature in Prague climbed up to 34.3 degrees centigrade today and beat the 141 year old record of the day by 0.6 degrees.”

South Dakota: “Saturday’s statewide high temperature that unofficially tied a South Dakota record set 70 years earlier is likely to stand, a National Weather Service employee says.”

Britain: “Britain sweltered on the hottest July day for nearly a century as the current heatwave reached its peak.”

California: “Indio (122 degrees), Palm Springs (118), Riverside (108), Sun City-Perris (108), San Bernardino (107), Temecula (106) and Moreno Valley (104) all set record highs Saturday, according to the National Weather Service and records kept by The Press-Enterprise.”

Arkansas: “Another scorcher today after record temperatures were set in some Arkansas cities yesterday. Monticello reached 109 degrees Wednesday and in Little Rock a record of 104 degrees for the date was set.”

New Hampshire: “It reached 95 degrees in Manchester. That beats the previous high for the date of 93 degrees. The old record was set in 1968.”

New York and Connecticut: “Dangerous heat settled over the Central Plains and Northeast for another day Tuesday, producing record high temperatures in New York and Connecticut, said Dennis Feltgen, a spokesman for the National Weather Service.”

North Dakota: “In Bismarck, the temperature broke a record and Dickinson tied a record.”

Kansas: “…a day that saw a record high temperature of 109 for Wichita, topping by 2 degrees the mark set during the legendary heat wave of 1980.”

Germany: “Germany’s national meteorological service said July was on the way to being the hottest since records began in many parts of the country.”

My Dad worked 911 in NYC for 25 years, he used to let me come in from time to time and listen to the calls. There was a guy who they used to call seran wrap man, because he used to call and say the suns rays were burning a hole in him, and they used to tell him to go wrap himself in seran wrap to protect himself

This sounds like it could be him......Hurry to the seran wrap.....wrap yourself head to toe and youll be protected

The activities of the Union of Concerned Scientists deserve special mention. That widely supported organization was originally devoted to nuclear disarmament. As the cold war began to end, the group began to actively oppose nuclear power generation. Their position was unpopular with many physicists. Over the past few years, the organization has turned to the battle against global warming in a particularly hysterical manner. In 1989 the group began to circulate a petition urging recognition of global warming as potentially the great danger to mankind. Most recipients who did not sign were solicited at least twice more. The petition was eventually signed by 700 scientists including a great many members of the National Academy of Sciences and Nobel laureates. Only about three or four of the signers, however, had any involvement in climatology. Interestingly, the petition had two pages, and on the second page there was a call for renewed consideration of nuclear power. When the petition was published in the New York Times, however, the second page was omitted. In any event, that document helped solidify the public perception that "all scientists'' agreed with the disaster scenario. Such a disturbing abuse of scientific authority was not unnoticed. At the 1990 annual meeting of the National Academy of Sciences, Frank Press, the academy's president, warned the membership against lending their credibility to issues about which they had no special knowledge. Special reference was made to the published petition. In my opinion what the petition did show was that the need to fight "global warming'' has become part of the dogma of the liberal conscience--a dogma to which scientists are not immune.

Left wing loons desecrate US Flag at 9/11 Memorial. Police do nothing!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMgIKZUvFQ

The Factorless is alligning himself with those progressive countries like "India, China and Russia"..
More laughs from the Non-Factor !

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 5:52 PM

You said the world was moving foward. Apparently your world does not include the industrialized world.

CNSNews.com) - The former top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee said al Qaeda is a real and growing threat to the United States.

"This is a very dangerous world. It's an era of terror, and fixing this problem will not be easy," said Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.) at a briefing held by the Council on Foreign Relations in Washington, D.C., on Wednesday.

"We can see in regions there is now al Qaeda ... there will surely be an umbrella group in Europe and possibly [a group] here," she said, noting that "car bombings and suicide bombings are likely to be in our future."

"Over the last six years and one day, al Qaeda has changed considerably," Harman added. "Instead of a top-down organization, there is a loose horizontal affiliation among many groups, and they are everywhere.

"They have attacked in Europe, and there have been a number of arrests in Europe as well ... but there have been arrests here too over the years," she said. "There have been arrests, but no attacks."

Harman noted that "we are much more capable since 9/11," but the reason we have yet to see terrorist attacks in the United States since 2001 is because "they've been trying to pull off something more spectacular, and that's not proved possible."

Environmentalists say..... AKA Liberal tree hugging LOONS.
Thanks for proving my point.

Maybe because it's not against the law. It's called "political protest", you fool.

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 6:04 PM

Do you burn US flags on a regular basis, too? Not surprised one bit.

"I believe nothing has change despite your picked quotes, Loin. Bush is just as committed to the cause as he was on 9/11/01 when he witnessed the same evil ideology we are fighting in Iraq now kill Americans on American soil."

Well you are wrong, and clearly a deluded fool to boot. The standard rhetoric and goal posts have been down-graded a dozen times during the war in reaction to the ongoing discovery of facts and skeletons in the closet, and in reaction to opinion polls in the US. Bush is absolutely nothing if not an absolute moral relativist.

As for the foes we face reflecting "the same ideology" as that followed by the 9/11 highjackers, you are twice the deluded fool. AQI is by ALL accounts but a single-digit fraction of the oposition we face in Iraq - the rest of the snipers and bombers adhere to perhaps a half-dozen different ideologies - some representing one or two manifestations of the "Islamofascism" that terrorizes you so, while still others apear to feel generally the same as the Minutemen at Lexington and Concord. This is the situation because the mess in Iraq is not a war - it is a foreign occupation in a country racked by civil chaos. - chaos we fostered and continue to perpetuate.

Do you burn US flags on a regular basis, too? Not surprised one bit.

Posted by: royal king at September 13, 2007 6:29 PM

Do you ass-fuck yourself with well-oiled "Mission Accomplished" George Bush action figures? Similarly, no surprise.

Phari-cee,

Still waiting for you to issue a single criticism of anything George W. Bush has ever done, or any aspect whatsoever of his presidency.

This, I feel is fairly sound proof of earthly idolatry on your part - a very severe mortal sin, I'm led to believe. How can you fetishize a living man so completely and still call yourself a Christian?

"This is the situation because the mess in Iraq is not a war - it is a foreign occupation in a country racked by civil chaos. - chaos we fostered and continue to perpetuate."

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Yep. again, the blind leading the blind on the fanatic left....No ideology involved, just
define it as some kind of psychic phenomenon one can reason with and the problem will go away. It did not work in Vietnam and it will not work if tried in Iraq.

No, Loin, the acceptance of terrorist tactics requires a decision on the part of the participant that goes deeper than defense of homeland, political affiliation or even religion....It is fundamental flaw to decide purposely target civilians, plant bombs in public places that could kill civilians as a weapon for terror. Ideology trumps all of your excuses for the radicals. Whether they are Al Queda, Shia militia or Sunni insurgent, fighting against an established democracy with terrorist tactics is immoral and should be fought against. You want to excuse it, and try to diagnose it away....all while they continue to kill Iraqi civilians and Iraq/International forces trying to secure the democratically elected government.

I answered your question easily by showing Bush still maintains this is a war against an ideology of despotism. Thousands of American Legion members, veterans who saw war first hand, stood and agreed with the assessment of Mr. Bush....no fetish worship, no cult....they, like me, agree with his ideology of wrong ideology versus right ideology.

Wrong ideology = killing indiscrimitantly without warning or alternative, terrorism, guerella tactics, totalitarianism, limits on public religious expression

Right ideology = giving ample opportunity to avoid conflict, warnings that force will be used, trying to limit death and destruction under know rules of engagement, democracy, no government limits on religious expression

Both lists are not exhaustive.

All of the people you mention have the wrong ideology....either they change or they are dealt with justly....unfortunetly in war that means they will be the targets of our soldiers as they secure the elected government.

You want to change the argument and say Bush is not sincere...fine, I disagree and neither of us will be able to prove the man's state of mind.

I do not worship Bush....I agree with his view of freedom...what it truly is and what it means. You have a fairy tale view of freedom...humankind should just expect it to be...it costs nothing and simply exists....

History has shown you to be wrong. Freedom is never free and those that peddle it are trying to sell slavery.

"Still waiting for you to issue a single criticism of anything George W. Bush has ever done, or any aspect whatsoever of his presidency."

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You'll be waiting a long time because I do not see any value in feeding into your already vile hatred of a man who is simply doing his best at a very difficult endeavor. I have seen greater men than Bush do much less than him in such a position.

Loin, you have determined Bush has NO redeeming qualities and that makes the conversation over his flaws mute.

I have never encountered any human being that has NO redeeming qualities. Again, my ideology, my world-view prohibits such conclusions. Think about it the next time you ponder such people like Bush, Cheney, or others you have condemned and sentenced.

That is what hatred is....and I hope you find some way of stopping it somewhere in your moral paradigm.

Still waiting for you to issue a single criticism of anything George W. Bush has ever done, or any aspect whatsoever of his presidency.

This, I feel is fairly sound proof of earthly idolatry on your part - a very severe mortal sin, I'm led to believe. How can you fetishize a living man so completely and still call yourself a Christian?

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at September 13, 2007 6:50 PM

Is a "single criticism" going to be enough, Loin? I mean you are a guy who hates Bush so much that you think war loather, Chris Matthews, is suspect for having complimented the current President of the United States once or twice in seven years.

BTW, if that isn't an example of a Bush fetish...then nothing is....

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/09/13/iraq.roundtable/index.html

a really interesting article, and one that goes along with one i read a while ago which said many believe that we are creating two generations of Iraqi youth. Those from 15 to 25 seem to be LESS Anti-American than the general population, and those younger than 15 are MORE anti-american that the general population. No clue what it means for the future, just interesting.

Do you ass-fuck yourself with well-oiled "Mission Accomplished" George Bush action figures? Similarly, no surprise.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at September 13, 2007 6:46 PM

You have some serious issues, slob. So, you condone the "betray us" add as well as flag burning, one classy fellow. A fine asset to the cuckoo fringe left.

"why" am I not surprised that "why" would condone flag burning as well. Patriots? Not.

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.

"Wrong ideology = killing indiscrimitantly without warning or alternative, terrorism, guerella tactics, totalitarianism, limits on public religious expression

Right ideology = giving ample opportunity to avoid conflict, warnings that force will be used, trying to limit death and destruction under know rules of engagement, democracy, no government limits on religious expression"

Oh my God, Phari-cee - You ARE a child! What ridiculous card-board mage you have of this conflict that you support so unquestioningly.

"I do not worship Bush....I agree with his view of freedom...what it truly is and what it means. You have a fairy tale view of freedom...humankind should just expect it to be...it costs nothing and simply exists...."

Freedm from independent, critical thought is your problem, Phari-cee. ....and you DO worship Bush - you cannot hide it. Your post attempts to dredge up and demonstrate some example of disagreement on your part with your fetish/president, in the vain effort to dodge my charges of idolatry, but even that turned out to be a gushing love-note:

"I answered your question easily by showing Bush still maintains this is a war against an ideology of despotism. Thousands of American Legion members, veterans who saw war first hand, stood and agreed with the assessment of Mr. Bush....no fetish worship, no cult....they, like me, agree with his ideology of wrong ideology versus right ideology."

...and finally, what the fuck is this suposed to mean?

"History has shown you to be wrong. Freedom is never free and those that peddle it are trying to sell slavery."

People who peddle freedom are selling slavery? This rubric would cover your fetish/president, I would think.

Are you totally losing it?

Don't you see, Why?:

All of the various factions fighting one another for plitical and ideological control of Iraq share the same ideology; the "wrong" one,

Whereas we - the infallible Americans led by the infallible Man-god Bush (yum yum)embrace the "right" ideology. Its all right there in the Bible.

The odd but dangerous merger of Osama and the left

The latest diatribe ascribed to Osama Bin Laden is a curious collection of half-baked accusations against the powers that be in The West. What is interesting is that instead of the obscurantism of the Islamicist dogmatists with their very little analytical knowledge of modern societies, these mouthings written (by whomever) parallel if they do not imitate the infantile leftists of the 1960s and its progeny.
It really should not surprise us that something attributed to Osama turns out to sound like “the free speech movement” of Berkeley in the 1960s. It’s updated, of course, with the latest quackery about globalization and the world of the 2000s of the next generation of the Berkeley commune.

DEARBORN -- A 26-year-old man is being held on $1 million cash bond on gun charges after he was found leaving a city park Sept. 8 with an AK-47.

Houssein Zorkot was arraigned Tuesday before 19th District Judge Mark Somers on two felony charges in the incident at Hemlock Park.

Dearborn police responded to a call that there was a man in the park carrying a gun. Police stopped Zorkot's sport utility vehicle as he was leaving the park. He was wearing dark clothes that could camouflage him at night.

After his arrest, police sought a warrant at the man's home, where they seized a laptop computer and several pictures. No other guns were found in the house.

The man also had visited Lebanon within the past month, police said.

First off...mental midget...I do not have to type "civil war" to imply I have full understanding of the events in Iraq....A civil war is fought by opposing sides with different ideologies....Our own civil war as an example may make it easier for you to understand....people took up arms BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY BELIEVED, you know....their IDEOLOGY! And the tactics they employ, armed conflict under the rules of engagement, or not, reflects their ideology.

Those using terrorism as a tactic are WRONG. I am sorry a simple word like wrong is too simple for Loin to discuss but this is a simple truth....There is right, and there is wrong. The potetial destruction of US foreign policy under the left's guidance is because of their inability (or refusal) to understand this simple idea. Neoconservatives became such because they say their fellow "liberals" decide that there was not "right" or "wrong" and saw the results in demicide and the creep of totalitarianism in the 20th century. Thank goodness the left has been kept in check to limit the damage these past 50 years!

Fine, I understand the results of the indoctrination you all have had....however, critical thinking does include making a final conclusion on the morality of one's actions, and it is very clear to most that terrorist and guerilla tactics are the tools of those that have wrong ideology. Sorry I am intolerant of a murderous ideology, Loin, but I think my opposition is supported both by common sense and mymythical man-god's teachings.

Languish in your ammoral (in reality immoral because of the potential consequences) ivory tower, Loin with your theories and manifestos. I now that your world-view is a dead end becasue of its results in history.

I will say it again, your hatred of Bush is another weakness you share with all radicals. When you begin to understand where that hatred originates from, perhaps the truth about determining right from wrong, and the innate risk that comes with standing with one side or another, will become evident. Having to choose is much harder and riskier to do than your poor alternative that really demands no risk or commitment. That is irony.

Let me know how that peace march goes....don't forget to be nice to the veterans there that hold my point-of-view and are protecting the monuments and recruitment stations from those in your fringe determined to display hatred. Oh, and no spitting please.

I would be curious about their reaction when you tell them about your theory of "Bush Worship." Let me know what the look is on their face, ok Loin?

Let me remember now....Loin's crazy theories...

Bush Worship/Fetish Disorder

9/11 caused by a conspiracy of Saudis, GHW Bush and some slimy Jews (W totally out of the loop as evidenced by his MY PET GOAT episode)

MIC determines all US foreign policy decisions (They meet weekly at a McDonald's in Hoboken, NJ)

OBL really not being pursued by US forces but is actually Ted Nugent in a beard and Turban

Oh, I forgot one...I also post under "Cecelia" when I feel "liberated."

Oh and the freedom sentence....read it again....those who claim freedom is automatic, or "free" with no cost or need for personal investment.....they are the one peddling slavery, Loin.....It is a basic flaw of secular humanist philosophy that believes freedom is an inherant goal of all people.....it isn't and again, my mythical man-God taught this truth as well.

And this is my post today, the 1,598th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

SAY IT!

OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR MORON IN CHIEF!

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Sorry, wanna, that would be blasphemy......

and rather kooky.

Are you in agreement regarding Sir Loin of Milquetoast's conspiracy theories, wanna?....

I forgot this one.....

Bush actually is prolonging our Iraq occupation for not only feeding the insatiable MIC.....He wants to build Disneyworld Middle East there in 2010!.....Sudan wouldn't give any building variances.

Aw, schucks....I forgot, Sudan isn't part of The Middle East according to wanna!

Moo, wanna....you're still not as inane as mental midget (why)....keep trying though.

"Those using terrorism as a tactic are WRONG. I am sorry a simple word like wrong is too simple for Loin to discuss but this is a simple truth....There is right, and there is wrong."

Well, there simply WAS no non-state "terrorism", as you seem to define it, in Iraq prior to our invasion. Not a single car or chariot-bombing in Iraq in all of its 4000-year history.

I suspect you would agree with my classification of Saddam's regime as practicing terrorism against its own subjects, although US leaders tend to shy away from classifications, for obvious reasons of tarring themselves with the same brush. But this brush is very wide. Hell, the term "Shock and Awe" as a clear statement of operational objectives is nothing but a synonym for terrorism, and we brought it to Iraq. We rained napalm and white phosphorous over residential neighborhoods in Falluja and elsewhere, killing an untold number of civilians. There is simply no honest way to deny that we are a terrorist nation.

Following the civil war, Sherman was spared the appellation, being an operative of the well-heeled victors, but his march to the sea was far more destructive in terms of civilian lives and property than the confederate Guerilla hold-out's in Missouri, who are commonly referred to by that term.

Truman dropped the atomic bombs on the predominantly civilian targets of Nagasaki and Hiroshima in order to shock the Japanese into surrender, and to cause alarm and caution among our erstwhile Soviet allies. The justification of this act is certainly up for debate, but you cannot honestly call it anything but very expensive state-level terrorism. All war involves terrorism and always has - claims of "taking every measure to avoid civilian casualties", particular regarding today's mechanized weaponry and tactics, is nothing but a thin public relations pretense. That's why it is so terrible and why its avoidance is so desirable to thinking, civilized people.

Do you have any idea regarding the proportions of civilians and "insurgents" killed by American forces in Iraq? The Lancet study updated a few months back attributes 192,887 of the more than 600,000 civilian deaths in Iraq to coalition forces; the administration declares - when they talk about it - something like 50,000 Iraqi deaths with the "majority being insurgents". Due to the incorrigible dishonesty of our governmnent these figures are clearly not comparable in any meaningful way, except to illistrate that even our "War President" has never claimed to have killed anywhere near the number of "enemies" as the only scientific study conducted in this regard concludes for violently killed civilians. By Phari-cees own definition - terrorism.

But apparently ours is the "right" terrorist ideology; while the disparate an otherwise powerless guerilla groups and individuals adhere to the "wrong" one. What is his specific criteria in this regard, since his foggy rubric regarding "targeting civilians" appears to be absolutely moot? Is it Nation-state legitimacy? Is it the jumble of Judeo-Christian tradition, beliefs, and philosophy that the leaders of some countries claim to adhere to?

I believe it is smply a matter of "Us vs Them", (with "Us" being defined as the whims of a living man as infallible holy icon), no matter if we are the clear aggressors, and if our casus belli changes with the wind. Phari-cee is a barbarian.

At 10:25AM, you put so well why so many have left your movement over the years, Loin.

Putting the debate aside regarding the individual actions you cherry pick to display United States sponsored terrorism, the ideology base cannot be denied. Are you suggesting Truman had imperialistic motives above all else in continuing FDR's war against Japan? I would be interested if your consistency extends to Abrham Lincoln and Fredrick Douglas with regards to the US Civil War. Was their ideology also poisonous in imposing just rewards to a confederacy founded on the sin of slavery? Shermann's actions, debatable yes, were conceived and brought about by the inability of the confederate states to accept the authority of the federal and chose to take action in protecting their ideologically based institutions....one which was EVIL.

Perhaps Shermann should have stood trial for war crimes. Perhaps Truman should have stood trial for war crimes. In your calculations, they should have.

My moral structure shows they correctly met a force with stronger force to correctly put it down with the available data and resources at their disposal. Japan was warned and told that total surrender was required or their homeland would be occupied. The atomic bomb accomplished this with fewer allied and Japanese civilian/soldier deaths. The same was true of Shermann's tactics.

I am sorry that an enemy's use of force has to logically be met with a stronger force to stop it....but it is simple common sense. Once again, the left thinks this is not necessary for freedom to exist....you are wrong.

Bush gave Saddam Hussein ample warning with regards to his enforcement of UN Resolutions. "Shock and Awe" was limited by rules of engagement with focus on political and military targets. Your leftist propaganda, like during the Vietnam era, only suggesting American forces killed civilians, is a BIG LIE. A lie that bin Laden also tells his followers to inspire recruitment.

Are you going to the rally this weekend, Loin? Again, please let me know if you are going to interact with the pro-freedom counter demonstrators that agree with me and Bush.....Once again, I am interested in their reaction to your BWFD theory (Bush Worship/Fetish Disorder). They should be near the Vietnam Vets memorial protecting it from those in the fringe with hatred in their hearts and a loogy in the cheek!

Sir Loin of Milquetoast and his roomates Stalin and Ghengis Khan love totalitarianism. That is their dangerous Godless ideology that history tells me is dangerous. George Bush (sigh) LOVES Freedom - He essentially IS Freedom. But Freedom is not Free; because Loin and Stalin chain Him through Olbermann with their terrorist ideology. They beat Him and heap him with scorn while Ho Chi Minh pierces His side. They and their terrorist allies in Iraq are Bad and Wrong, Bush is Good and Right.

Nope your wrong. Like all men, Ghengis Khan, Stalin, Minh and George Bush are men who passed (or will pass) away like the lilly of the field.

Phari-cee ignores the fact that our objectives in Iraq are clearly imperialistic. Whatever veneer of paternalism that he and his fetish/president choose to slap on it on any given week is emabarrassingly insubstantial.

I do believe that there is such a thing as "just war" - in the event of an existential threat against a nation or its citizens. But such a defensive action MUST be directed at that threat, and not some uninvolved country that has resources your elite desires and requires.

I am not expressing any judgement regarding "war-crimes" on the part of Truman or Lincoln; I am merely pointing out the logical fallacy of labeling tactics as "terrorism", and terrorism as "evil" only in cases in which one's opponents are not representatives of a wealthy nation-state allied with you.

All war is terrorism; there is just war - so there is just terrorism; there is "evil" terrorism, and there is is "evil" war. Our country has engaed in all of these, as have our various enemies, across our history. Your manichaean classification is a self-serving appology for whatever our country might do, and this is a very dangerous IDEOLOGY is it becomes widespread in a given society.

"the fact that our objectives in Iraq are clearly imperialistic."

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This is a debatable opinion, Loin and although the same opinion was held by your kin during the Vietnam era, it was debatable then as well.

Dismissing the idealistic rationales given by The President is also your willful choice, but it is an opinion, only...Not fact.

I will not even venture down your semantic mess regarding "terrorism"....It has been addressed before and is part of the fundamental flaw in your moral judgement.
It is the same flawed critical thinking that leads one to the conclusion that, "[FOX NEWS] is as dangerous as The Ku Klux Klan ever was." Correct critical thinking takes much more into account and demands a commitment to what is right and wrong. Anyone can play with words, but the belief system, the ideology, behind the actions is the critical and objective marker.

You seem so easy to give the imperialist Truman a pass with regards to his murdering of civilians and the suffering imposed on their progeny for generations to come, Loin....Why? You sure are tough on dumb ol' Geroge while the Dem gets high marks....Oh and what about Lincoln....Thousands brutsally sacrifised on American battlefields overthe imperialistic goal of keeping a Union whole....why the pass?

You moral judgement is flawed, Loin.

"Dismissing the idealistic rationales given by The President is also your willful choice, but it is an opinion, only...Not fact."

Well, seeing as how your fetish/president's rhetoric in this regard has undergone drasitc and fundamental changes throughout the war, you have to admit that his "idealistic rationales" are clearly not based on any firm values or clear, persistent vision. That being the undeniable fact, it is a small step to conclude that he making shit up as he goes along in this regard.

"You seem so easy to give the imperialist Truman a pass with regards to his murdering of civilians and the suffering imposed on their progeny for generations to come"

No, I definitely do not give Truman a pass - I hold very harsh opinions regarding his betrayal of the mission left him by FDR's death in office, and his particular interactions with the world via our post-war military might. I was merely avoiding a long and complex tangential discussion.

Civil war? No time now; and it would just be pearls wasted on idol-worshipping swine, anyway.

Your moral judgement does not exist, Phari-cee.

The contradictory conclusions your moral relevancy arrives at staggers the mind, Sir Loin of Milquetoast.

With regards to your lack of assurance on the motives and immorality on the part of Iraqi or Viet Cong insurgents compared to your absolute knowledge that Bush holds only immoral, imperialistic motives also is telling.

Once again, the bias your mind has ideologically against people leads you to the rash, wrong conclusion. Fine, as far as I know you hold no ability to affect events. And the discussion of past events, although interesting, shows just as much promise with regards to coming to some kind of understanding.

Why no response to my interest in your weekend plans, Loin? Could it be you are not attending this HUGE rally that the fanatical organizers claim represents the American people's wishes.

When 27% is "the American people," this country is in trouble.

Come now, the fringe left's 27%-ers need all the help they can get.....The left's ruling class still seems timid on taking any political risk to achieve the immediate pull out of the troops that has been demanded! Peace now! Love, not war! Cum bi ya....oops sorry....can't mention God!

And I mean God as Jehovah, not as an expression of BWFD (Bush Worship/Fetish Disorder).

Impeach Bush and Cheney!
Stop the war now!.....Cut the funds....Bring the troops home now!

And this is my post today, the 1,598th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

"I am sorry that an enemy's use of force has to logically be met with a stronger force to stop it....but it is simple common sense. Once again, the left thinks this is not necessary for freedom to exist....you are wrong."

It's just abominable that the right thinks that in order to protect freedom, you have to torture everyone on the planet, gratutitously rape Iraqi babies to "send a message to the Enemy," as you've said time and time again, and plant landmines in soccer fields so Teh Enemy will "remember us long after we are gone." It is a sick formulation that you are espousing, and it is simple common sense that these things have not worked and will not work.

As long as you people keep insisting on these things, cee, we have to consider you not only sub-moral, but borderline retarded. Since you don't really care, but only want to strike a comfortable posture and do the easiest possible thing, you will be forgiven and forgotten.

President Bush: "The surge is working, violence is coming down, so we are going to end the surge."

What's important for us to remember is that it's important to keep supporting the people who are doing the things that make everything keep working. Without their fine contributions, the things that are now going well would go bad, and the whole system that provides the things that we count on for support could come apart. So let's just remember that out there when we are calling for this or that action, that we need to check first with the people who are doing the things that make everythign keep working, including freedom and such.

Where did I ever say that we should be raping babies? You must be talking to John "Traitor" Kerry again. It's called war. Rapes happen. I gueantee you that if the enemy ever reaches our shores, there will be a lot more raping, because while we have a few bad apples, they are the rotten barrel.

The comment about landmines in soccer fields was simply meant as an analogy. You do what you have to do. If the left could get that through their heads and quit tying the hands of our soldiers, we'd be out of this by now.

I agree with cee. The only way the US can lose a war is by not trying hard enough and losing our gumption, or "grit". We need to support EVERYONE who is laying themselves on the line to create success against the enemy. Success breeds success. When we talk as if we are failures, as if we make mistakes and do bad things and dwell on that, we become those failures. When we don't, they disappear. Come on guys, get in the game for success!

Learn more about my 7 point system for success in your life at:
www.getinthegameforsuccess.com

Just to clarify, I don't mean to say that anyone who talks about failure is a bad person. Surely Iraq must be a complicated situation, but when you dwell on that mind-numbing complication, you are entering one of the three danger areas, a place I call "pararealysis." Pararealisis is where you allow reality to paralyze your analysis. Look at these two statements:

-The enemy is evil and must be killed.
-In Iraq one encounters a hodgepodge of affiliated and unafiliated secular and Isalmists groups, all with their own agendas and goals, that may or may not align with the diametrical opposite of our goals and those of the competing groups, depending on what course of action we take and what incentives and disincentives we offer them through our actions.

Now imagine you see a suspicious man in a black shirt run across the street yelling something in Arabic, and you can shoot him or not. Which mindset will lead to success in this situation?

I think the point is obvious. With pararealysis, your best hope is that doing nothing (which is all you will be able to do since you are so lost in complex though) will turn out for the best. With the first mindset, bang, you just shot and killed an enemy of freedom--in two very real senses. You overcame mental inertia, and you killed a terrorist. You can go and tell the commander and he will make sure that the metric inches towards "good" and away from "evil."

We all need to get in this game of success together, because together we will succeed twice as fast as we are already succeeding. Come on, get in the game for success!!

www.getinthegameforsuccess.com

Sorry Cee, Sir Loin and his buddy only think military power limited circumstances. Like when you drive a tank into a compound and kill 79 people, 25 of which were children on American soil or when you send in "peace keepers" into another countries civil war and 18 American soldiers die because you won't let them engage the enemy.

I know Factor....the worse domestic death toll from a US government violent attack on their own people was during a leftist administration.....Bill Clinton's....79 people, 25 children under the orders of Attorney General Bride of Frankenstein....

No firings....
none held accountable.....
not a peep from the left.....
Silence from the left's ruling class....Kennedy, etc.....

I wonder if Sir Loin of Milquetoast and wanna (AAP) remember these innocent victims of "terrorism?"

Factor, that is exactly the kind of negative thinking I am talking about. Come on, get in the game for success. We didn't "kill 79 people, 25 of which were children on American soil," we solved a problem. We created success by using our Blink skills.

I agree that we can't tie people's hands when they come up with novel and elegantly simple solutions to sticky situations. No one is better at that than the American Soldier, which is why ultimately we will be successful. But we will achieve a higher success factor in less time if you can stop your negative thinking and get in the game for success.

www.getinthegameforsuccess.com

"With regards to your lack of assurance on the motives and immorality on the part of Iraqi or Viet Cong insurgents compared to your absolute knowledge that Bush holds only immoral, imperialistic motives also is telling."

The Viet Cong posed no danger to us. At all. Al Qaeda was a small cult/criminal organization that required robust law-enforcement action actually aimed in THEIR diretion. Bush's imperialism not only has a much greater capacity to effect my physical and moral condition, as a member of the society that he has highjacked, than either of these entities.

To my understanding the Branch Davidians were similarly a criminal cult. Child molestation, kidnapping, firearms violations, and threats against ferderal judges were among the charges I have seen levied against them.

Obviously the police action against their compound was poorly concieved and executed, and I am unsure of the facts surrounding the investigation into its failures.

Certainly, however, any crimes inherent in this action as you allege would not have expired their statute of limitations by the time the Republicans held the White House and both branches of our legislature, and your highly moral and virtuous leaders could have opened or reopened the cases and initiated proseutions if your charges had merit. Why did they not? Why did the Republican leadership sit in such silence in regard to an issue that so enflames its base?

Certainly we on the left will insist that OUR leaders retroactively hold the Bush administration accountible for its many crimes committed in Iraq....many of which exhibit strong moral similarities to the Waco incident you wave as a bloody shirt to this day.

Wesley Clark offered his testimony before the Committee On Armed Services at the U.S. House Of Representatives. "There's no requirement to have any doctrine here. I mean this is simply a long-standing right of the United States and other nations to take the actions they deem necessary in their self defense," Clark told Congress on September 26, 2002.

"Every president has deployed forces as necessary to take action. He's done so without multilateral support if necessary. He's done so in advance of conflict if necessary. . .

Clark continued: "There's no question that Saddam Hussein is a threat... Yes, he has chemical and biological weapons. He's had those for a long time. But the United States right now is on a very much different defensive posture than we were before September 11th of 2001. . .

More Clark: "And, I want to underscore that I think the United States should not categorize this action as preemptive. Preemptive and that doctrine has nothing whatsoever to do with this problem. As Richard Perle so eloquently pointed out, this is a problem that's longstanding. It's been a decade in the making. It needs to be dealt with and the clock is ticking on this." Wesley Clark

"many of which exhibit strong moral similarities to the Waco incident you wave as a bloody shirt to this day."

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No, Waco represents the hypocrisy of your ruling class in their indignation regarding oversite and/or the use of military force against those who "pose a threat."

No such democrat outcry occurred with the incompetence of The Bride of Frankenstein yet the rantings we were so blessed with regarding the last AG were deafening. Political theatrics.....Bride of Frankenstein was a much poorer and destructive AG when compared to Gonzales with much more blood on her hands.

Bush has done nothing illegal in regards to his enforcemnt of UN resolutions and using the authority granted to him by the constitution and the congressional bill to allow a use of force. As I keep repeating, impeachment proceedings should be in high gear if your elite were really serious regarding "accountability." None are forthcoming....Bush is allowed to function, unhampered by the many constitutional remedies available to your elite.

It is again political theatrics and NOT leadership.....Your political class HAS NO great leaders and we can go down this avenue if you'd like.

And your contentions regarding Al Queda and Viet Cong is simplistic....and you put down my childlike demeanor! Once again, a system of nation states that share regional security concerns require ALLIANCES. The South Vietnamese, with their warts, were our allies....a democracy with freedoms guaranteed regarding religion, thought and the press.....The Viet Cong were totalitarian leftists....your ilk with no respect towards freedom of religion or thought.

Allies mean something. I suppose under your view NATO should be ended. How about getting out of South Korea?.....The communist north is not a threat to us, Loin?

Your simplistic view of terrorism and grouping moral use of force as "terrorism" makes me wonder about you, Loin. I suppose your moral thinking agrees with some radicals view that George Washington is morally equivalent to:

Jefferson Davis
Minh
Castro
you choose your "revolutionary"

Sorry, you're wrong....check Washington's IDEOLOGY and there is 180 degrees here.

I've heard all that crap from you before, Phari-cee.

I notice you avoided my highly relevant question regarding the total innaction on the part of the Republicans who held ALL the reins of power in this country for six years in regard to the blatant crimes you say occurred at Waco?

And be clear, I'm not saying they didn't occur. I have to admit that the rash of CONSPIRACY THEORISM from the far right that has surrounded this issue since the disastrous police action greatly limited my attention to the incident.

...but why did the party of Terry Shiavo's resurrection not take remedial action while they had no obstacles whatsoever in regard to such a course?

- could it be that the Republicans feared that they were complict in alleged crimes surrounding Waco? COuld it be that there is actually nothing there; and that the incident served them better as a "wedge issue - along the lines of Rowe v Wade and other matters that generate shrill rhetoric but no action - used to motivate a shallow and easilly manipulated base?

You tell me, I just don't know.

Wanna, buddy, start your drinking again....you're much more pleasant when you fall asleep.

So, I included Egypt, which is part of Africa, in the Middle East and you had NO problem with that....incorrect? So guess what....Egypt is located in Africa and is part of The Middle East.....

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/eg.html

Northern Africa, bordering the Mediterranean Sea, between Libya and the Gaza Strip, and the Red Sea north of Sudan, and includes the Asian Sinai Peninsula

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Hello? Wanna? Apolgize yet?

Oh and you even put PAKISTAN in The Middle East in your first response to me....I said ok....some do although not most....Your CIA source....

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/pk.html

Southern Asia, bordering the Arabian Sea, between India on the east and Iran and Afghanistan on the west and China in the north

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It's in Asia, wanna....hello? On your second margarita yet?....Has Spears arrived yet?

Please stop trying to be something you can't be, wanna....an intelligent and gifted writer capable of critical thinking.....you're a drone along with mental midget (why) in the hive that you have decided to join....good luck.

"Your simplistic view of terrorism and grouping moral use of force as "terrorism" makes me wonder about you, Loin."

Simplistic? maybe - but you are the one who explictly groups all the disparate cell, militias, and gangs of Iraq as holding a single ideology - the "wrong" one; while we embrace the "right" one.

as for you implication that "the moral use of force" is not terrorism, your own definition of terrorism hinges on the "targeting" of civilians. All a superpower needs to do is kill everyone and claim that the innocent - who in modern warfare, particularly from the air, ALWAYS outnumber the "enemy" - were not "targeted". This is a slimy disingenuous dodge that I will never let stand uncontested - even in the Waco case.

The context of the Waco incident is the moral use of force....and the LACK of indignation on the left regarding their ruling elite (Bill Clinton and Janet Reno - Bride of Frankenstein) causing the deaths of FELLOW AMERICAN CITIZENS. I have no problem with the republican congress that came to power in 1994, after the incident, not pursuing legal remedies because I feel that was constituionally in the power of the executive....it was his AG and he stood by her....I did not vote for Clinton in 1996 due to his pathetic record with regards to this and other issues, but the left simply adores him....despite his flagrant disregard for human life and accontability on the part of his appointee.

You see, Loin, ideology, again.....I see a constitution constructed with definitive boundries that limits congressional tampering in the executive....and vice versa....A very limited Supreme Court....SEPERATION of powers....not the co-equal garbage that really means congress gets unfettered access to the executive....

Checks and balances strictly defined by advise and consent, impeachment, appropriations (funding)....that's it buddy...

NOT what the democrats put out now as "oversight."

I only responded to Factor's post regarding you...the left's hypocrisy when it comes to their own....Bill Clinton's appointee, committing demicide against children. It is a nice reminder of your hypocrisy.

Oh and wanna....again...there is only one Christ....He lived, died and was resurrected. There is no other I can worship....so Koresh was a leader of a cult and a man just like you, Bush and me....Sorry, you lose again trying to characterize me as a religious fanatic.....Moo.

Its funny how Phari-cees favorite historical smear at the left as an ideology of totalitarianism involves the artificial division of an ancient country that was initiated by European colonial overlords, and was pert=petuated in 1956 by the repudiation and de-facto cancellation of internatonally agree-upon national reunification elections by the United States and its batch of "Instant Allies" that we whipped up in the urban centers of the south.

Poor wanna....I finally went to your post's address and played your game to show you that the cia is not the authority you claim it to be.....no one is....The Middle East is an ill defined area that can include Egypt and Sudan...which are in Africa....along with Afghanistan...which is in Asia....you just can't seem to admit you are wrong.

Drone on, wanna....the site likes the hits.

Fuck Bill Cinton. Sow me a real crime he committed and I will be fine with whatever punishment is meted out by the courts. I personally would recommend looking for conflicts of interest surrounding his irrational enthusiasm for NAFTA.

...But back to Waco - Why are you not holding Bush to the same standard as you do Clinton in regard to Waco? are you saying that only the head of an administration accused of committing crimes has the responsibility or constitutional authority to persue prosecution of any of those crimes? I believe that is exactly what you said above.

That is ridiculous and dangerous on every level, Phari-cee. Murder has no statute of limitations, and if murders were committed by a president or his underlings, then any officer of the law has the duty to pursue such matters as they become aware of them.

You are giving Bush, Ashcroft, and Gonzales an absolute pass on their innaction, assuming there really are crimes here that require legal action. Your only rationale for this is base partisanship - with a stout dose of manichaean idolatry thrown in.

It is funny, Loin, that when the American left had its first chance to choose to either defend freedom and hope for people to live and worship as they chose or to abandon them to function under a failed secular system of government, communism, the amercian left chose and still chooses the totalitarian choice.

Where before then, at least people were not abandoned...South Korea and post WWII Japan and West Germany.

That is what is funny....and when our progeny look back at the first 300 years of this republic...the responsiblity for the idealisitc decline in the later third will fall squarely on those like yourself....the radical secular left.

Wanna, read carefully by putting the glass down and not looking through the prism....

I did not call myself an authority....I used a source that says Sudan and Egypt is part of The Middle East....

You got all excited about it and and did the...

SUDAN?!? thingy.....

What does ?!? mean anyway, wanna?

So please either go to sleep or post about something else....You're wrong, again, and need to move on.

Moo.

Oh, I forgot one...I also post under "Cecelia" when I feel "liberated."

Posted by: cee at September 14, 2007 9:12 AM

Well, it is terrifically liberating to be me. If you're five foot nine and 1/2 inches of milk-skinned domestic goddess, then maybe you can play me on tv.

Did I claim Clinton or The Bride of Frankenstein broke the law at Waco?...read again loin....Reno was an incompetent bumbler much worse than Gonzales and should have been fired by Clinton, but she was not....and went on to be part of the team that allowed radical islamic terrorists to infiltrate our country, learn to fly (only....no take offs or landings), and produce the seconds largest loss of life in one day event on American soil....Talk about incompetence.

No loin, no laws were broken so no one from the FBI needs to feel they let me down with regards to Waco....And no laws were broken now with Bush because I have not seen one shred of evidence despite the left's screaming and calling for congressional investigations....which, again, are used too much and have become ONLY a political tool.

IMPEACHMENT of the executive should be started if crimes are suspected, Loin....But your elite does not have the guts to do it.....

The republican house did do the right thing with regards to Clinton's pergury, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice....But even then, you all say it was not a crime....well it was.

And the democrats are just sitting there, cowards and hacks....no leaders willing to take the political risk to try to see if Bush really did do something illegal and impeach him....

Tsk, tsk, tsk.

Sorry loin, the founders were clear....the executive is held accountable only certain ways by the other branches of government....otherwise leave him/her alone to accomplish his/her constitutional duties.

And guess what....he/she is out in 4 years if the people decide what he/she did was ill advised....the real check on power.

Keep the congressional pontificating and press conferences to a minimum....our republic would be better off for it. Your leftist elite have created a monster out of a once simple system of checks and balances....never mind what you losers have done to the courts!.....oh my goodness....penumbra!

cee, if Bush wanted support for this war from the libs and the media he should have switch parties and called it a "peace keeping mission" then they would all be singing mission accomplished and waving American flags.

"The republican house did do the right thing with regards to Clinton's pergury, obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice....But even then, you all say it was not a crime....well it was."

No shit, Sherlock. Your simplistic thinking always replaces things that I have said to you with crap that you want to believe.

No public official should be allowed to lie about anything in his or her official capacity, or when placed under oath. In fact, when they are acting in anything like thier official capactiy they should be considered as BEING under oath.

I do not recall discussing Clinton's impeachment with you, Loin, except with regards to what he was trying to cover-up with his lying, conspiracies and use of his office to obstruct justice....

his adulterous sodomy.

I am glad to hear you feel he should have been impeached because that is a minority view in your political class, and your ruling elite overwhelmingly voted against impeachment. Removal from office is another issue, again, he should have been....but actually the honorable thing would have been to resign for the good of the nation.

Once again, protecting their own trumped honesty and morality for the left. You have sepreated yourself in this regard Loin but I suspect it may just be for my benefit.

Isn't that nice.

the only Jesus figure AAP has is Olbermann.

"the only Jesus figure AAP has is Olbermann"

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If that's true, that is very, very sad.

Please do not spark any sympathy in me for wanna (AAP)....for his pathology to be successfully treated, it needs an objective and merciless approach!

the only Jesus figure AAP has is Olbermann.

Posted by: at September 14, 2007 5:03 PM

Actually, Olbermann is AAP's teddy bear. The kind that unzips in the back and has a little place where AAP can stash his jammies.

He sucks his thumb and holds his little Olby bear, it's so adorable....

Once again, protecting their own trumped honesty and morality for the left. You have sepreated yourself in this regard Loin but I suspect it may just be for my benefit.

Isn't that nice.

Posted by: cee at September 14, 2007 4:23 PM

Right, Phari-cee - like I give a flying adulterous fuck what YOU think! Just being honest.

OH in case you missed it- I REPEAT, "Clinton's own campaign adviser on Iraq, Laurie Mylroie, says Clinton and his advisers are "most culpable" for the intelligence failure that allowed 9/11 to happen.

Posted by: at September 13, 2007 5:08 PM

Wow, talk about misleading.

Myrloie wrote Neo-con handbooks with the help of DUMYA'S entire administration which tried to link every terrorist action ever created to IRAQ.

She's hardly someone who's on Clinton's side. You misleadingly omit the fact that she is a NEO-CON CHEERLEADER.

Well, it is terrifically liberating to be me. If you're five foot nine and 1/2 inches of milk-skinned domestic goddess, then maybe you can play me on tv.

Posted by: Cecelia at September 14, 2007 3:47 PM

Blog-world Translator: short fat chick with blotchy skin rashes.