Thank you for this, Johnny.

Surprisingly, Bob Beckel is correct about the Democrats. They and Olbyloon have Boxed themselves in a Bad Corner and this is very Good.

And people say Fox isn't balanced.

The moonbats probably are claiming this video is a hoax because there are no Democrats on Fox, remember? Fox features no Dem opinion, has no Democratic viewers and is worse than UBL and the KKK. Bob Beckel, Dem strategist, must be in that elite league as well.

And these guys are correct - Olby and Moveon.org are well on their way to helping the Dems lose yet another election. Keep up the great work, Kommie Keith! I have to give a shout out to Columbia U as well for helping to boost the GOP. I can only hope that dinnerjacket has a psychotic episode and spouts a ton of hate speech. Maybe that will be a call to action. UBL's invitation to speak there must have gotten lost in the mail.

I hope Keith go's for an exclusive with Armarama-Ding-Dong Monday.

Please Keith do it!

Meanwhile Keith's real boss Hillary has told 'The Advocate' thats she is not a lesbian.

Well, that's good news!

We already had one womanizing president named Clinton, I don't know if the country could take another.

Does anyone see Gallagher as worst person in the world very soon? Beckel would get it but he is a dem. Keith is VERY predictable.

Does anyone see Gallagher as worst person in the world very soon? Beckel would get it but he is a dem. Keith is VERY predictable.

Sorry about the double post.....

Olby won't give Beckel the WPITW, but our pal will brand Bob as weak and toothless, just as he did for the Dems who condemned Moveon.org's Petraeus ad.

SNF has begun. Costas at the desk with Collingsworth. No Olby yet in sight.

Olby is up next. Time to watch dinnerjacket on 60 Minutes.

Dinnerjacket's remarks bring back memories of Baghdad Bob, only Mahmoud is not funny.

Scott Pelley just got a good laugh from dinnerjacket, who accused him of being a CIA agent because he asked a lot of probing questions.

Money quote from dinnerjacket: I'm a Muslim; I cannot tell a lie.

I change my mind, Olbermann is ruining football for me.

I wish he had died.

Are we going to be treated with another installment of WPITNFL this week, or was that segment kiboshed?

Hello to everyone. I'm back just in time to read Puck's 5:29 Post. I laughed out loud. That is great.

I don't follow football anymore but I put it on to check out KO. I thought his delivery was pretty disjointed and hard to follow. Did I notice a few flubs or am I just too biased against him.

Grammie

Your observations are correct, Janet. Olby is a fish out of water on SNF. He is not in control of all content and opinions and he seems nervous. Maybe if the other hosts didn't ostracize him, he would be more at ease.

Here it comes: WPITNFL. Olby attacks throw-back uniforms. Now Philly is next to put him on the crap list. He must be moving down I-95 for the East Coast leg of his quest to insult all NFL teams and fans.

KO just mailed in another WPITNFL. Groan. I guess KO saw that his attempt at "profound social commentary" (defending Mike Vick) fell flat, so now he's trying for" humor" BY TALKING IN A REALLY LOUD VOICE and slipping Costas a check to fill in as the Laughing Stagehand. What a disater!

I think he insults everyone's intelligence as well. Someone must have told him to beef up the comedy shtick. Except it wasn't funny.

time for KO to go. call these companies and let them know you object

"Why not cancer," why did you wish Olbermann dead!? That's just wrong no matter how you feel about him.

Olbermann's Countdown (cough) style doesn't seem to help him with sports. I must admit I am surprised. Doesn't he have more experience in sports casting than that? It's just feels out of place. All his co-stars seem to pause before they speak after he's done talking. You can almost feel them rolling their eyes. I feel uneasy about it all like I the watcher will get yet another brow beating like he does to his Countdown audience.

Keith! I'm tired of being lectured. I go to work and get lectured I go to church and get lectured I come home from work and get lectured I just don't need to be lectured when I'm watching the news or sports Keith.

I agree with you, Judy. His voice, tone and manner was totally inappropriate to what should have been light hearted.

He sounded and looked more like he was setting the law down for everyone to follow.

he is an embarrassment to watch.

This was not the correct show to reawaken my interest in football. Even the more seasoned reporters seem ill at ease.

Grammie

So by having the ringing red phone next to him after his critique of the Frankford Ywllowjackets uniforms as being an NFL marketing ploy, is Keith suggesting that NFL commissioner Roger Goddell is trying to silence his free speech? Is he saying the Goodell is the sports equivalent of Bush, Cheney, Ashcroft, Gonzales and Rumsfeld in crushing dissent when a courageous punit tried to speak Truth to Power? Is there an analogy between the oppression of Olby's penetrating insight into sports and capitalism and Dan Rather's lawsuit accusing CBS and Viacom of muzzling the truth to appease their evil Republican overlords?

...no actually, NBC Sports probably told Olbermann rto tone it down this week, after having to apologize for his first two commentaries, so he did a non-controversal riff on the Eagles' throwback uniforms that was pretty much in line with what everyone else was saying about how gawdawful they were. A fluffl peice, which is no big deal, but I don't think the people who decided Keith should be on FNIA back in the spring though he would end up as the cranky weird uncle in the attic complaining about frivolous stuff in a manner resembling a hipper version of Grandpa Simpson. No big deal, but with all the people already on NBC's studio show there's no reason for Olby to be there, if this is all he's allowed to do. Costas can handle that job by himself, and did last year.

"... cranky weird uncle in the attic complaining about frivolous stuff in a manner resembling a hipper version of Grandpa Simpson." by John

Yes, I agree. I don't understand Keith's approach to sports announcing. Is it news -- is it sports -- what? Was this the way it was with his friend Dan Patrick?

Silence from the olbyloons..............

I don't believe the NBC idea people thought he would add a lot to the NFL show. I believe they're more interested in increasing viewership for Cuntdown.

Btw, KO, sometimes you can't go home again. The ESPN highlights sounded better in my memory than reliving them again now. You should have just let that sleeping dog lie.

ooops - what a typing error - Countdown. Sorry. It really was a typo.

His colleagues laugh right in his face
As a journalist he's a disgrace
Keith's widely hated
Not highly rated
He's the moonbat that lefties embrace

7:14, LOL. That's some typo!

Philly fans have been scooping up the Frankford Yellowjackets throwback merchandise like hotcakes. They don't think it's throwup instead of throwback.

Posted by anonymous:

"I don't believe the NBC idea people thought he would add a lot to the NFL show."

END QUOTE

NBC is sinking in the ratings. They'll do anything to get off the floor. Wait a minute, kind of what a liberal does. If this turd is the best they can come up with they are about to hit rock bottom.

Olby is the only person to fill a slot that is served up as a sacrificial lamb against the No. 1 Cable News program. He is the only one stupid enough to try. He has a super sized ego that matches his supersized mouth. His mouth looks just like an asshole and then when you hear what comes out of it you begin to wonder if he shaved his ass and is standing on his chair with his ass facing the camera.

Posted:

"The moonbats probably are claiming this video is a hoax because there are no Democrats on Fox, remember? Fox features no Dem opinion, has no Democratic viewers and is worse than UBL and the KKK. Bob Beckel, Dem strategist, must be in that elite league as well."

END QUOTE

Most of these ignorant asshats like AAP, O'Lielly, get their facts, cough, cough, opinions from sources such as the NY and LA Times about Fox News. FNC probably has more liberal contributors than conservative. Bob Beckel appears on FNC amost nightly. I can take old Bob though. He does go over the top once and awhile but he is honest and he will admit when liberals go too far and criticize them.

Liberal contributors on FNC:

Juan Williams
Jane Hall
Mary Ann Marsh
Ann Lewis
Bob Beckel
Susan Estrich
Laura Schwartz
Kisten Powers
Ellen Ratner
Neil Gabler (Insane)
Mark Melman
Lanny Davis
Mort Kondrake (Good Guy)
Marla Eliason
Eleanor Cliff

Just to name a scant few. And conservatives that appeared on Olbyfuck?

Pat Buchanon, Tucker and Scarborough do not count. Olbyfuck has zero voice from the right. Why? Like other chicken shit, pussy assed liberals, they can not stand it to have someone stand up to them, question them and can not stand receiving what they dish out. I'd love to be on Oblyfuck's show. In less than two mintues I would slap that bitch and have him in the fetal position. He couldn't debate me one on one verbally and after I humilitated his ass and slapped that huge head of his, he'd be laying on the floor whimpering like a two month old that just had the tit snatached out of his mouth.

Olby's head is so out of proportion to his body he looks like a cartoon. He has no shoulders. He's never worked a day in his life. Just like Untied States Senator Ted Kennedy, the murderer. The only time Ted Kenndy ever raised a bead of sweat on his brow was the night he climbed out of the canal at Chapaquidik and humping on some high-classed hooker, just like Olby. The only time these boys can get laid is with some sperm spitoon.

Get ready for another fake war, folks:

"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Vice President Dick Cheney had at one point considered asking Israel to launch limited missile strikes at an Iranian nuclear site to provoke a retaliation, Newsweek magazine reported on Sunday.

The news comes amid reports that Israel launched an air strike against Syria this month over a suspected nuclear site.

Citing two unidentified sources, Newsweek said former Cheney Middle East adviser David Wurmser told a small group several months ago that Cheney was considering asking Israel to strike the Iranian nuclear site at Natanz.

A military response by Iran could give Washington an excuse to then launch airstrikes of its own, Newsweek said..."

"Get ready for another fake war, folks:"

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Do not fear, blindrat....The reality of the situation suggests your worry is a bit premature.

Poor blindrat....now the theocratic, international terrorist supporting, holocaust denying, US soldier killing totalitarian regime of Iran needs your defense? This should be an eye-opening discussion.

I really think Iran is more than capable of responding, blindrat....Your "2 cents" about Iran's behavior being the fault of the evil genius, Vice President Dick Cheney, is another wonderful theory without merit or proof. But again, another silly discussion of theory is all I would expect from you.

Just like the Bush air national guard story....
Just like the politican Kerry versus General Petraeus canard.....

Time and again we get to see the latest fringe conspiracy worries when blindrat posts. Oh goodie!

As usual blindrat OMITS (surely on accident) the fact that the person attributed to this quote/theory has denied it.

The articlae continued-
"Wurmser's wife, Meyrav Wurmser of the neoconservative Hudson Institute think tank, told Newsweek the claims were untrue.

Wurmser left Cheney's office last month, the magazine reported."

Does the left really want to go with the spin that Dick Cheney and the evil Jews are persecuting that nice Mr. Amendenijad and trying to entrap the innocent Iranian leadership into a war? Good luck to Keith if he tries to sell that one tonight on "Countdown" while Mahmoud is speaking at Columbia.

Posted on the Daily Kos:

WHY I HAVE A LITTLE CRUSH ON MAHMOUD AHMADINEJAD

by sallykohn
Sun Sep 23, 2007 at 05:50.02 AM PDT

I know I'm a Jewish lesbian and he'd probably have me killed. But still, the guy speaks some blunt truths about the Bush Administration that make me swoon......
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Suicidal Leftist Dingbats, please talk amongst yourselves.

Gee, I wonder what side Fox News is on?

Good 'ol Fox News. Anything but the War.

Okay, cee...

Let's pretend that it IS true. Would you be okay with a tactic like that?

Will he answer, folks...or wimp out like rk did, last week?...

We keep getting told what a great highlight reader/writer Olbermann was at ESPN. He was just real bad last night; lots of flubs, miscues, etc. Politics aside, he just seems to be a fish out of water there, especially when performing poorly.

Everyone should watch Outfoxed : Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism.

Keith did just fine last night, which is the reason you have to lie about it. It must really irk you.
Good stuff !
Posted by: at September 24, 2007 11:09 AM

Dorrie/berberry/Kathy/orinenglish: go back to fan girls site. Or better yet go back and watch your video tape of the pregame show (without masturbating this time), and see the amount of flubs and miscues this dopey teleprompter reader made through out the pregame show.

Comment from NBC football fan board:

"Actually, this is a football message board. I think the issue is that Keith Olberman does a terrible job with this new assignment. Regardless of his politics. It is embarassing to watch him fumble around, especially when he trys to be funny. My reason for trying to get rid of him has nothing to do with politics, it is because he is totally inept at doing a football show. Please let him go. Please take the politics out of this. There are plenty of blogs for that, this is for football. " Ted, NFL fanboard

more from the NBC football fanboard comments:

He's like a weak-willed Dennis Miller. He desperately wants to rant, but sounds for all the world like an asthmatic thesaurus. Even when Olbermann is on a legitimate jag, his forced, gross-motor verbalization just fails the audience. Terrible delivery, just terrible.

"As for this rant, spare me the sanctimony. Vick is vilified not for "making a mistake" or even fighting dogs. He's vilified for leading a six-year-old dog-fighting ring. Six years! Pacman Jones wasn't even playing in college when Vick was arranging these illegal matches." guest

Let's pretend...........

When (said poster) can't defend thread change subject.

When (said poster) can't defend 'left out piece' of said changed subject, change subject to what if Fantasy.

Let's pretend..........

I doubt they sit around in the White House and say.........Let's Pretend.

No doubt they sit around 'Meltdown', Olby's apartment, Daily Kos, Huff Po, etc. And play let's pretend all day long.

Let's pretend.........

Is a kindergarden class taking a field trip through OW today?

Almost 23 hours after this thread was posted and the best they come up with is,

Let's Pretend.......

Okay

Let's pretend......

WWII didn't happen

The dinner jacket decided to go to New Jersey.

There won't be one tie up on the Cross-Bronx today!

The Yankees are in last place.

The Cardinals didn't win 'The Series' last year.

ALGORE was right.

Olby has over three million viewers.

Money falls out of the sky.

Loons can reason, think, and come up with an intelligent debate.

WWI didn't happen.

White Castle makes burgers with real meat!

The Redskins will win the Super Bowl.

'The Factor' got cancelled because of low ratings and was replaced by 'The Randi Rhoades Show' on FNC.

Let's pretend.........

Everybody loves 'Fried Bologna' Sandwiches.

I can bake 'Chocolate Chip Cookies' better then my mom.

The Los Angeles Kings will win the Stanley Cup.

A tree will fall in the woods and everybody will hear it.

Detroit is a nice SAFE town to visit.

'Good Luck Chuck' made three hundred million dollars at the box office this weekend.

You can walk Springfield Ave. in Newark NJ from South Orange Ave. to the Irvington border at One O'Clock in the morning and no one will take a shot at you.

The KKK will have open enrollment.

Let's pretend.........

That's okay I'm going to take a shower and walk out the door where REALITY will be waiting for me (as it always does) on the other side.

Let's pretend........

Don't you have some dopey protest to go to, or some goverment building to go yell at?

Let's pretend........

Will he answer, folks...or wimp out like rk did, last week?...

Posted by: blindrat at September 24, 2007 10:49 AM

blindbat, we all know you lie on a daily basis. You would have no problem letting one of your family members be killed by Iran in a hostage situation, the good little terrorist defender you are. We know, ok? I would have no problem nuking Iran, no matter how we do it.

The reason you think Kondrake is a "good guy" is because he's a right wing as they come.

What a dope you are !

Posted by: at September 24, 2007 11:14 AM

This proves what a dope you are, actually. Thanks!

blindrat,
Why do you Leftists support Iran?
If Israel, Turkey or France attack Iran would you cry like Olbermann?

rk,

You know that the question wasn't, "Would you have trouble nuking Iran", son...

It was, "Do you condemn Reagan trading weapons to terrorists for hostages?"...

Yes or no, child?

I am watching coverage of the dinnerjacket appearance, and the stupid moonbat Columbia U students waiting in line to attend the event are absolutely the most delusional, out of touch asshats I have ever seen. One of them just said that he wanted to know if dinnerjacket actually meant that he wanted to wipe Israel off the map or if he were just parroting the hate speech of the mullahs. Boy, that would make me feel so much better. Oh Good Lord.

Dennis Miller is a "weak willed" Dennis Miller.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/09/23/watch-clinton-cracks-up-_n_65507.html

"Watch Hillary laugh in Chris wallace's face over his stupid questions !"

Yeah, I saw that. Hillary is as scripted and pre-packaged as they come, right down to her Wicked Witch of the West cackle which is supposed to be a substitute for a substantive answer when questioned about her attacking conservatives for engaging in attack style politics while she and her husband continue in this vein as they did during the eight years they ran the White House. What a phony she is.

I do agree that Wallace's questions were not as strong as they could have been. Russert was much better, especially when he grilled her on the dirty money issue. All Hillary could offer was a shoulder shrugging "we just didn't know" and a lame entreaty for publicly financed political campaigns. She was very weak on this answer and this will be trouble down the road for her.

Who isn't scripted and prepackaged out of the lead Democrats and Republicans running for office? And implying that attacks only come from the Democrats is bull.

Why do Leftists like Olbermann support Iran?

"Okay, cee...

"Let's pretend that it IS true. Would you be okay with a tactic like that?"

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No. If Cheney's sole purpose in counceling Israel to attack Iran was for provoking a wider conflict, it would be wrong simply because that would not be good counsel to our ally, Israel....for there interests or ours.

Your claim, and the anonymous sources's opinion for that matter, that Cheney would go to the Israelis and say, "Attack Iran so they hit back and gives us the excuse to attack them" is out of character of his previous behavior in foreign relations and would seem very naive on his part. I have a much higher opinion of Cheney based on his previous dealings with Israel and other United States allies going all the way back to his service in the first Bush administration.

The left's simplistic DARK characterture of Cheney (HRC recently fell into the trap by calling him Darth Vader) as a diabolical and calculating neocon has actually done nothing real with regards to the policies the administration has pursued. They have been in character with the post-9/11 dynamic based on the accepted available intelligence while maintaining our alliances in the region.

I will remind you, blindrat, that Israel is our ally and your ruling class would never say anything different.....ESPECIALLY HRC....the junior senator from that slimy jew state, NY!

I am sure that in the end, the pentagon would be the biggest voice in the room with regards to military responses to something Iran does. I would want an in kind response from Israel and if they were not capable of effectively doing that, the US would be right to stand with our declared ally against the totalitarian terrorist state.

Did I answer you question, blindrat?

Hillary's cackle is so endearing. I'm sure that type of infectious laughter will charm her millions and millions of detractors. And monkeys are flying out of Olby's butt.

HRC will never get more than 45% of the US popular vote....even less if she continues to cackle like she did this weekend.

She could still attain an electoral college win with the plurality just like her adulterous sodomist husband did, but unify the country?......

Sorry, no.....if she is the democrat nominee....we will have to wait for another 4 years for that.

I think 45 percent is a high estimate, cee. You're being kind to Hillary.

Quit making fun of my sister's laugh my pretty. Do you have any idea how hard it is to do an interview while you watching the sky for falling houses? I was terrified to make a speech when I became speaker of the house. Vote for Hillary or I'll get you and your little dog too!!

anon(12:21)

Actually, Republicans have historically been Iran's best friend:

"WASHINGTON — Vice President Dick Cheney (search), who has called Iran "the world's leading exporter of terror," pushed to lift U.S. trade sanctions against Tehran while chairman of Halliburton (search) Co. in the 1990s. And his company's offshore subsidiaries also expanded business in Iran.

Democratic vice presidential candidate John Edwards (search) criticized Cheney in Tuesday night's debate for his position on Iran during the 1990s, and Edwards said he supports expanding the sanctions against Iran.

Cheney countered that he now supports sanctions against Iran but sidestepped the issue of Halliburton's involvement, saying it was being raised by Democrats "to try to confuse the voters."

Halliburton's foreign subsidiaries did about $65 million in business with Iran last year, company documents say. A federal grand jury is investigating whether Halliburton or its executives deliberately violated the U.S. ban on trade with Iran..."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134836,00.html

Oh, and blindrat, with regards to Ahmadinejad speaking at Columbia....I have to return to the left's hypocrisy regarding rational, fact based debate and not allowing points-of-view that have been determined "faith based" or "not factually gounded" as not worth discussion. A very astute law professor at Columbia wrote the following:

"This event raises deep and complicated issues about how best to express our commitment to intellectual freedom, and to our free way of life. Although we believe in free and open debate at Columbia and should never suppress points of view, we are also committed to academic standards. A high-quality academic discussion depends on intellectual honesty but, unfortunately, Mr. Ahmadinejad has proven himself, time and again, to be uninterested in whether his words are true. Therefore, my personal opinion is that he should not be invited to speak. Mr. Ahmadinejad is a reprehensible and dangerous figure who presides over a repressive regime, is responsible for the death of American soldiers, denies the Holocaust, and calls for the destruction of Israel. It would be deeply regrettable if some misread this invitation as lending prestige or legitimacy to his views."

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Mr. Ahmadinejad denies an historical fact (the European Jew's fate at the hands of Hitler) yet you and the radical left are ok with him being accepted into an academic forum as a respected thinker. Global warming "deniers," no. Intelligent design proponents, no. Intellectual freedom seems to be an ideological cause for the left....if you are anti-Semetic it is ok to have some beliefs that are not rational....but if you are pro-Israel, or "conservative," sorry, you should not be given any forum in the elite's ivory tower.

Once again, your fringe shows their hypocrisy, anti-semetism and intellectual dishonesty.

cee,

Very stirring, son...however, you missed two points:

1. Conservatives speak all of the time, at colleges and other venues...

2. Ahmadinejad is a head of state, not just a random schmoe.

Ted Nugent just spent a goodly amount of public time whining about Democrats...his right...

I fail to see hypocrisy. Perhaps you should look up the word, son...

Cee,
Ahmadineajd is a hero to the Left.
He's the new Castro!

The left's hypocrisy is the fact that you choose to ignore THE CONTENT of the man's previous speech.

Ahmadinejad says, "the holocaust did not occur." Usually, when this idea is expressed by someone, they are rightly shunned by the academic community because it is such a blatant error in judgement. Yet, the left allows such a denier a stage and the respect of the academic community.

You see blindrat, you choose what to read....I clearly stated the idea of the dismissive attitude of the left SELECTIVELY based on ideology. Just look at the human induced climate change debate and how the left acts towards, "deniers."

That is the definition of hypocrisy, blindrat. Saying and doing different things.

Hey AAP, those look like the polls taken before the 2000 election and 2004 election. How did those work out for you? LOL.

READ THEM AND WEEP! PASTOR DUMBFUCK

Rudy runs very well against Hillary.
Nothing to weep there.
He's the only Republican who can Prevent Hillary and her Islamic allies from taking over America!

In the city where I work, D.C., people from the right distribute holocaust denying literature all of the time. Who cares? They have a right to provide their opinions, son.

We have a right to ignore them...

The best friend to Iran's current dictators is and always has been Jimmy Carter. Just ask them and they will tell you.

Factor,

Let me ask you, instead: Why do you say that Jimmy Carter is the best friend of Iran's current dictator(s)?...

Once again, the mindless and witless wannawipe did not read my post....."US popular vote," wannawipe....polls are nice to try to rebut with...but guess how many people are polled....thousands?

Look at the polls and the results of natinoal elections with more than two candidates and I can assure you, the polls are not awlays reflective of the real outcome.

And wannawipe, why do you believe any currrent polls will automatically reflect the US popular vote which is one year away. Plus, a poll IS hypothetical.

Poor, wannawipe....he does not know the difference between a US election and a poll. More instruction.....a public service of OLBERMANNWATCH.

Now if you would like to tell me why HRC will be able to unite the country, change the minds of millions who do not have a positive view of her, or reconcile her rhetoric about withdrawing from Iraq while saying she will keep troops there if she becomes President....I would like to see you try to compose something cogent.....try hard now wannawipe. I'll be patient!

Blindrat, are we giving them a forum at a major university for them to spew their hate? Denying the Holocaust isn't the same as saying Israel should be wiped off the map and wishing death to them and United States - during a military parade.

"In the city where I work, D.C., people from the right distribute holocaust denying literature all of the time. Who cares? They have a right to provide their opinions, son."

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Are they invited by the elite in academia to give speeches and debates, blindrat? Would you agree if they were given a respectable and legitamite forum to spread their racist views?

And then wannawipe changes the subject to the republican candidates......wannawipe can't keep focused!

cee,

I guess that you missed that part about him being a head of state, son...

Bush says plenty of stupid things and yet he is invited to speak all over the place...

blindrat,
It's the Left that supports Iran and wants Israel exterminated.

Joker,

You have the floor, son. Give me examples of leftist politicians who advocate exterminating Israel...

Three should do it.

"Bush says plenty of stupid things and yet he is invited to speak all over the place..."

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Yes, the Bush retort.....Again....6 million Jews murdered....didn't happen.....give me ONE example of what Bush has said that even comes close to this racist whopper, blindrat?

Come on now, don't let the bus come before you give me an example!

And wannawipe has to ask.....

"Where did you get that:

"Uh? Premonition? Guess?....."

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Verrrrrrrrrry good wannawipe! I am speculating and if I am shown to be wrong (which could happen but it is unlikely), I will be happy to examine why. It was a guess, but I assume readers of my post could infer that rather easily and I would not have to tell them....But I keep forgetting about the mental midgets like yourself!

I have never claimed powers to predict the future, wannawipe...but I know you live in a childish fantasy world with regards to such matters! he, he, he.

My November 2006 prediction about the war funding and impeachment threats of the radical left have been proven right, wannawipe, so I would caution you about betting against me.

Next.

Sure

Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA)
Rep. John Dingel (D-MI)
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI)

On TV
Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann are anti-Israel!

"Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, as quoted by Robertson...

Pretty good, eh? And, this kind of thinking KILLED over three thousand Americans. All Ahmadinejad is doing is denying that something (which obviously happened) happened...kinda like creationists denying we had dinosaurs...

anon,

>>Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA)
Rep. John Dingel (D-MI)
Rep. John Conyers (D-MI)

I can come up with three names too, son. Proof?

How could you consider your example even in the same league as someone denying historical fact based on their own racism, blindrat? In addition, creationists ARE NOT given platforms at academic institutions based on their views while Ahmadinejad is given such a platform by the same elites casting judgement on the creationists.

Hypocrisy.

Next.

blindrat ,
No need to show Proff.
The 3 mentioned are supporters of the Iranian regime.

Aw, wannawipe was confused by my post.....poor wannawipe! I'm sowwwy....don't cwy, now, it will be ok!

Joker,

Yes, son. There IS need to show proof. Show it or to the kiddie pool with ya, boy...

Has anyone else noticed the irony about all those on the right complaining about Ahmadinejad being given a speaking platform?

It has been my experience that the only ones I see quoting people like Ahmadinejad and others like him are the very ones who complain the loudest about him being allowed to speak in the first place.

Whats up with THAT???

I personally don't CARE what the nutball from Iran has to say, any more than I care about the latest rant Bin Laden has made.

That said, I'm not nearly as troubled with the thought that he has being allowed to speak at Columbia as ones, like yourself Cee, ... who in turn are the very ones who are going to be quoting what he has said after his speech.

I'll guarantee you that I'M not going to be one of the ones going around quoting anything he said.

Buy YOU will!

Whats up with that Cee?

>>How could you consider your example even in the same league as someone denying historical fact based on their own racism, blindrat? In addition, creationists ARE NOT given platforms at academic institutions based on their views while Ahmadinejad is given such a platform by the same elites casting judgement on the creationists.

Don't be stupid, cee. They have creationists debating all of the time at Universities...

Comparing dinnerjacket to idiots in DC handing out flyers or an evangelical Christian speaking at a religious university is about the dumbest libnut thing I've heard here, and that is saying a lot. These things are not in the same league as being a president who denies the Holocaust, expresses the will to externimate Jews and Americans (for starters), and has a degree of influence over an entire nation and its military. I don't think the moonbats get it. They still think they can have logical discourse with a madman.

Factor,

Let me ask you, instead: Why do you say that Jimmy Carter is the best friend of Iran's current dictator(s)?...

Posted by: blindrat at September 24, 2007 1:20 PM

He didn't support the Shaw of Iran and let him get over-thrown by Ahmadinejad. He wouldn't even let the Shaw have asylum in the U.S. Carter now gives speeches supporting Iran, Hezbola, and bashing Israel around the world. I am sure if Iran holds and election, he will certify it like he has certified the election of every other dictator in the world.

Factor,

The Shah was a torturer and a murderer who didn't deserve to be saved.

Carter doesn't give speeches supporting Iran, son. Why lie?...

"they still think they can have logical discourse with a madman."

No! I, for one, have given up any thought that it is possible to have any logical discourse with GW Bush.

Oh wannawipe....too easy.....Pat Robertson's insititution is not considered an example of an "elite" academic insitution, like Columbia....which is what blindrat and I were talking about. I am sure many private reliious colleges and universities hold debates about intellegent design, global climate change, but the leftist academia consider such discussions closed....hense no dissenting views.....

But deny the holocaust did not occur and The State of Israel should not exist and the radical left salivates.....

wipe the spit off your chin now, wannawipe!

Factor on Carter and Iran: "He didn't support the Shad of Iran and let him get over-thrown by Ahmadinejad."

I've seen a few statements more stupid than that one, but not many:

1) - Ahmadinejad did not overthrow the Shaw of Iran.

2) - Factor, plese explain to everyone just how you think the US could have possibly prevented the overthrow of the very Saddam like Shaw of Iran?.....THIS should be good for a laugh!

Mike, Mike, Mike....

The President of Iran exists, has an ideology and the power to impose it. Whether or not he is listened to does not matter. Whether or not he is quoted does not matter. My problem was the LEFT'S response to him....approving of his given a platform while the same academics claim such thoughts as illegitamite. Bush is even protested at colleges by the same ideologues because of his POLTITICS nevermind Ahmadinejad says the holocaust did not occur and has racist views. Also, Iran has an oppresive government, no free press, no free speech, a theocracy.

Please respond to what I post, Mike. Simply because OBL and Ahmadinejad say THE SAME EXACT THINGS AS YOUR RULING CLASS....

Bush is evil.
Iraq is lost.
The troops should be removed now.
The democrats winning in 2006 should be about changing Iraq policy.

The only problem is the anti-Israel rhetoric. The fringe left is historically anti-Semitic....and the ruling class knows that postition is untenable politically....so no dice on that one.......yet.

It came close in the last election cycle though with how Joe Lieberman was treated by the likes of Olbermann, kos and MoveOn.org....the anti-semites.

Why in the hell would GWB want to engage with hateful bile-spewing moonbats? Makes perfect sense to pass on that nightmare.

Lee Bollinger is completely full of crap. This is not the right thing to do. Giving deplorable ideas a forum is disgusting. I have the right to protest a forum in which the speaker has threatened to commit genocide. Maybe Bollinger still needs convincing that this guy is evil.

blindrat,
Why do you support the Iranian regime like Olbermann does?

As I stated before, Joker, the Republicans have historically helped the Iranians, son...

Cee: "Please respond to what I say Mike"

OK, lets take one ridiculous reach from your last post:

"OBL and Ahmadinejad say the EXACT SAME THING AS YOUR RULING CLASS"...

A - WHO is "my ruling class"? I wasn't aware that I had a "ruling class".

B - The fact that my enemy occasionally utters statements that can be construed as being similar to my own are of no consequence to anyone but a mental midget.

C - Ahmanutjob has also denied the holocaust. Name one credible voice from the left who has done that?

D - I take NOTHING my enemy says at face value. Only a fool would do that.

Again, I say to Bollinger: We have known about all of the topics you've covered so far in your introduction. Why did Columbia invite Ahmedinejad to speak? Please do not say for the benefit of public discourse. .

"Blindrat
why do you support the Iranian regime like Olbermann does."

Joker, why would you expect a reasonable answer for a question that begin with two assumptions that are obvious lies?

I'm still waiting for you to explain or justify your lie accusing Malitos of being nabbed as a child molester and Mathews and Olbermann of covering it up?

You deserve no respect or answers until you do.

Listen to the moonbats clap for dinnerjacket as he doth protest over hearing all of the true statements about him.

"Listen to the moonbats clap for dinnerjacket as he doth protest over hearing all of the true statements about him."

You mean to say that you are actually listening to this nutjob's speach?

Don't you know what that says about YOU?

It's obvious that you need to consult a mirror whenever you are tempted to call someone else a "moonbat".

"Listen to the moonbats clap for dinnerjacket as he doth protest over hearing all of the true statements about him."

You mean to say that you are actually listening to this nutjob's speach?

Don't you know what that says about YOU?

It's obvious that you need to consult a mirror whenever you are tempted to call someone else a "moonbat".

"Listen to the moonbats clap for dinnerjacket as he doth protest over hearing all of the true statements about him."

You mean to say that you are actually listening to this nutjob's speach?

Don't you know what that says about YOU?

It's obvious that you need to consult a mirror whenever you are tempted to call someone else a "moonbat".

A) The democrat party is your ruling elite, Mike. You have stated it before...I think your evaluation was "anything would be better than Bush." Their rhetoric is identical to the radical terrorists with regard to Bush, Iraq and Iran. Guilt by association and what the policy desires of the left wants will make Iran a major power in The Middle East with an increasing threat to Israel. Israel is a democracy and ally....go to any fringe left blog and see the claims of apartheid, racism, relgious mockery (look at wannawipe (AAP) above) of The Jewish people and the idea that Israel is not a legitimate nation.

I am not aware that OBL was your enemy, Mike. His representatives are killing US soldiers and Iraqis in Iraq currently and you want to withdraw.....and give the country over these same people. Al Queda is no in Iraq and the fight goes on....you say you want immediate withdrawal? Is not that the goal of OBL....how could he then be your enemy?

Logic please?

No! I, for one, have given up any thought that it is possible to have any logical discourse with GW Bush.

Posted by: Mike at September 24, 2007 2:18 PM

The enemy within, right there.

Mike,
You get no respect as a supporter of Olbermann.
Olbermann supports our enemies like Iran and shrills for them!

Al Queda is now in Iraq and the fight goes on....you say you want immediate withdrawal? Is not that the goal of OBL....how could he then be your enemy?

If that is not what he says, "on face value," then what is he saying, oh wise Mike?

>>Al Queda is now in Iraq and the fight goes on....you say you want immediate withdrawal? Is not that the goal of OBL....how could he then be your enemy?

Wow! Just when I thought that you couldn't get more asinine, cee.

A farmer wants his pig fed. The pig wants to be fed. The goal of the farmer in feeding the pig is DEFINITELY not the same as the pig's...

Did I explain your fallacy simply enough, son?

blindrat,
Yopu support Al-Qaeda and Iran!

No, blindrat....Your metaphor is flawed because the pig is unaware of its fate....the Iraqis, the US and Iraqi soldiers are fully aware of the possbilities of surrender to the radical islamists hence the fight....the conflict. You are calling for their withdrawal....they are aware of the consequences....the triumph of Al Queda....sorry blindrat....no dice.

Saying someone is your enemy but supporing their position in the facof an alternaive...a representative democracy, does not make sense.

Joker,

Are the Yopu an Indian tribe or something, son?...

Mike, if one tunes to cable news outlets, they will be treated to an afternoon with this clown.

Cee:

"The Democratic party is your ruling elite, Mike"....Absolutely untrue. I have no ruling elite. However, the Democratic party in it's admittedly flawed form is the best and only real hope we have for sanity returning to American politics.

"you have sated it before"....I have stated WHAT before?

"I think your evaluation was "anything would be better tha Bush"....That statement was made with the belief that NONE of the viable alternatives to Bush in either 2000 or 2004 would have themselves done something as mind boggling stupid as invading and occupying Iraq.

"Their rhetoric is identical to the radical terrorists with regards to Bush, Iraq, and Iran"...Nothing but a talking point, and more importantly....a lie.

"Guilt by association and what the policy desires of the left wants will make Iran a majot power in the middle East and an incresing threat to Israel."....Too late, Cee! It's already happened! And GWB's (your hero) invasion and occupation of Iraq has done more to empower Iran than anything else to create that unpleasant reality.

"Israel is a Democracy and an Ally"....But more importantly, Israel is a Jewish state, and the rest of the Middle East is Muslem. Ideological enemies they will remain, regardless of what form of government eventually evolves in the Islamic countries.

"go to any fring left blog".....Why? I try to stay away from "the fringe"...be it left OR right. That said, I do consider you borderline fringe right.

"I'm not aware that OBL was your enemy Mike"....Then you are FAR stupider than I have given you credit for.

"His representatives are killing US soldiers currently in Iraq and you want to withdraw"...He had no so called "representatives" in Iraq before our invasion and I am highly sceptical that he will have many after we withdraw.

"...and give the country over to these same people"....Every reasonable indication I see is that neither the Sunni nor the Shia would allow that to happen.

"you say you want immediate withdrawal? Is that not the goal of OBL?"....No, I don't believe it is. I think we are doing precisely what he wants us to do, and have been since early 2003. YOU and yours are the ones being played by OBL....and you can't even see that!

"how could he then be your enemy"....Because I have wanted to see the US use it's resources wisely from day one...and go after HIM, where HE is, instead of squandering them in Iraq.

"Logic please"....Logic is exactly what I am about. Tht's one reason I don't quote my enemies and Bible verses on this blog.

"

cee,

My metaphor holds, despite your desperate idiocy, son. And, if we leave Iraq, all Al Qaeda will have is a quagmire. No triumph. Do you REALLY think that a little terrorist group could defeat the Shiites AND the Sunnis?

Wow! Bush has really turned them into the boogey man for you, child!

Well, once again, blindrat and Mike choose to believe their own teories regarding the stuggle between totalitarianism and freedom in Iraq. I will quote Bob Kerrey once again,

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it."

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And with your point on the other thread, Mike, if the military and security progress continues and the elected government remains stable through 2009, Bush will not be held responsible if the democrats achieve US withdraw prematurely. If there is an elected government still trying to achieve success and troops still engaged with the enemies of freedom in Iraq in 1/2009, the next President will be the leader responisble for its success or failure. Most people in Iraq want freedom of thought and religion, not a theocracy. And Al Queda will try to remain in control in areas of Iraq to train their terrorists with financial support from those Sunnis still in support of their radical agenda.

So you both are on the side of the totalitarian. Period. It is your choice but to try to seperate yourselves from the goals of OBL or any other islamist terrorist is illogical.

Some of Cee's logical fallicies AGAIN:

"So you are both on the side of totalitarian period."....Not at all. I am "on the side" of self determination of nations and the FACT that we can only destroy ourselves by trying to remake the world into our own image militarily.

"It is your choice but to try to seperate yourself from the goals of OBL or any othe terrrorist is illogical."....You know nothing of 'logic' Cee. your rantings on this blog have never had anything in common with 'logic'.

One day it will be common knowledge to all the fence sitters and even MOST of the extreme right that all we did was answer OBL's prayers when we occupied Iraq. I have never been happy that we were stupid enough to do exactly what my enemy wanted us to do.

The only HONEST debate these days is whether and how to withdraw from a situation we had no business getting ourselves into.

Cee, as long as you continue to embrace the original and thoroughly discredited Neoconic vision that got us into this mess in the first place, there can be no honest debate about it's solution.

"The only HONEST debate these days is whether and how to withdraw from a situation we had no business getting ourselves into."

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That is absolutely false and your attempt to avoid the hard questions of freedom and democracy is very telling, Mike. Even your ruling class, the democrat party, do not embrace that cop-out. The military represented by General Petraeus does not agree with you. Your cop-out on the question of whether to support the Iraq people in their quest towards democracy IS a valid debate and will remain one whether you want to recognize it or not.

To abandon the debate is to be intellectually dishonest, just as ytou have dispalyed previously with discussing Vietnam. It is a cop-out to say that because as error was made not retribution or fixing of the error is required. I do not accept your rhetorical ploy in "the only HONEST debate these days." Firstly, it is not true because there are interests in Iraq that do want freedom and democracy, and secondly, your ruling class is not acting as if that is the only honest debate.

Lastly, you want that to be the case because of responsibility. If progress is made over the next year, what will you say then? Are you so sure Iraq is lost and there will be nothing to save from radical elements? If there is progress and the left finds itself on the side of abandoning a growing democracy, what will be the reasoning?

Your debate ploy is identified and met, Mike. There is a valid point-of-view in defending the weak against the radical terrorists and allowing those wishing self-governance to achieve security for that to take place.

Oh, and I did not know Bob Kerrey was a "neocon," Mike.

Your radical ideological point-of-view is SLOWLY being seen on this site, Mike.

4:26, to me this proves further that Fox News is fair and balanced.

"Game - match - Point !
When Cee argues going into iraq was a GOOD thing, he loses all credibility and breaks from the ruling class of the world: the ones with sanity !"

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Not quite, mental midget....Your debate skills (actually lack thereof) is really showing. Once again, if it was SO clear that the US should be out of Iraq, the democrats would not fund it.....Why do they fund the war? Why do some, like Joe Lieberman and Bob Kerrey call their fellows on the carpet for forgetting the values of freedom and democracy? You are a shallow and intellectually uncurious drone if you actually think what is going on now in Iraq has NOTHING to do with freedom or thought and religion....It does to Al Queda, it does to the radical Shia and it does to those religious minorities now free to worship but will not be if the radical islamists have their way.

Saying there is no debate is a sorry excuse for not defending your views.

Hello, Mike....Bob Kerrey is a neocon?

Is Joe Lieberman a neocon?

Is Tony Blair a neocon?

Are 30% of The American people neocons?

Cee:

"Hello, Mike....Bob Kerry is a Neocon?".... Bob Kerry didn't invade Iraq. All he did was express an honest opinion about current events seperate from your Neoconic "we should try to change the world militarily" doctrine. As I've already said, the only HONEST debate is what do we from here. But that doesn't mean we forgive, forget and continue to respect the idiots who got us into this mess in the first place.

"Is Joe Liebermann a Neocon?"....He certainly talks and walks like one.

"Is Tony Blair a Neocon"....Either he's a Neocon or a puppy dog...I haven't decidd which.

"Are 30% of the American people Neocons"....30% of the American people didn't conceive of, and then execute the idea of occupying Iraq. They just went along and badly want to continue to believe. It's simple human nature.

BTW: Joni Mitchell is the top female singer/songwriter of the 20th century( and now beyond)

Posted by: at September 24, 2007 4:28 PM

BIG NEWS! To an acid freak/olbyloon.......

Oh I see, Mike....well again, I think you are naive to believe that the fringe left's worry about American hegemony and fighting the evil "neocons" is the best use of your energy. I see radical islamists happy to kill women and children with terrorist tactics in Iraq as much more "evil" than a pol at a think tank. You have surrendered any moral judgement towards people not of your skin color, nationality, religion or ideology as not worth a second thought with regard to their freedom. Fine. It is an attitude that is very common in American history and understandable. But once again, to just say there is no debate on the idea of freedom over totalitarianism is a sad reaction.

9/11 is the most tangable result of such an attitude....a radical will attack if he or she thinks there will be no forceful reaction. Saddam Hussein refused to comply with UN resolutions, he was a vicious dictator that repressed his people, supported terrorists and threatened his neighbors. His removal was moral AND now the resultant conflict must be met....you and the left fringe have decided to walk away from it....leave it to fail.

Bush has not.

So, if we walk away from it....guess who will be responsible for the failure to aid the democrat government success after Saddam?

Cee, in going over your 4:18 post, which I missed earlier, these thoughts come to mind:

Your belief is that if we somehow ere to eventually turn Iraq into the beacon of freedom and democracy, that it would somehow vindicate all of the lies, deception, and secrecy that allowed the Neocons to cynically execute their dream in the first place.

No Cee, .... it wouldn't!

Something as serious as War entered into based on lies, fear, and twisted information can never be condoned, regardless of the eventual outcome.

That said, I AM capable of determining where I believe we should go from here based on current reality. I just happen to continue to disagree that our continued presence in Iraq is a positive thing.

My problem with people like yourself is that you DO still embrace the original Neocon vision that we can and should militarily control the world, despite what has already occurred, and despite the deception and outright lies that it took to allow your heros to execute this vision.

It is a dangerous precedent to say the least.

The reality remains in Iraq that, in the most optomistic of projections, Iraq's future will probably never be more than something of a poor compromise between your own ridiculous vision of emposed "democracy and freedom", and utter chaos.

Here is a statement indicating how clueless you really are Cee:
'
"9/11 is a tangable result of such an attitude...a radical will attack if he or she thinks there will be no forceful reaction."

That is where you just don't get it Cee. 911 was an intentional provocation...and it worked!

A controlled, reasonable, and intelligent reaction was absolutely necessary. That meant going after Al Qeada in Afghanistan WAS in fact, necessary and reasonable. However, extending that reaction to Iraq, a country that had no affiliation to either 911 OR Al Qeada was the over-reaction that OBL was hoping for. The recruiting and public opinion tool he could have never obtained any other way.

In other words, we shot ourselves in the foot....and everything we've done since then is simply damage control. Nothing that occurs from this point on can change that reality.

HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTEDOVER AND OVER... THIS IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY:

Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona)who created the "tent city jail": He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges theinmates for them. He stopped all smoking and porn magazines in the jails. Tookaway their weights.Cut off all but "G" movies. He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work oncounty and city projects. Then he started chain gangs for women, so he wouldn't get suedfor discrimination. He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federalcourt order that required cable TV for jails so he hooked upthe cable TV again with only the Disney channel and theWeather Channel. When asked why the Weather Channel he replied, "So they willknow how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chaingangs." He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value andsaved the county over $90,000 a year. When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't theRitz/Carlton --If you don't like it, don't come back!" He bought Newt Gingrich's lecture series on tape that he pipesinto the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by aDemocrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series mightexplain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in thefirst place. More on the Arizona Sheriff: With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports:About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tentencampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been givenpermission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxershorts. On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were eithercurled up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, whichreached 138 degrees inside the week before. Many were also swathed in wet, pink towels as sweat collectedon their chests and dripped down to their pink socks. "It feels like we are in a furnace," said James Zanzot, an inhumane..." Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent cityand long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eatbologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that he told all of the inmates: "It's 120degrees in Iraqand our soldiers are living in tents, too, andthey have to wear full battle gear, but they didn't commit anycrimes, so shut your damned mouths!" Way to go, Sheriff!Maybe if all jails/prisons were like this one,there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders. Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live inluxury until it's time for their release, only to go out and commit another crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers' money and enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

Joni Mitchell being relevant in this century....!
Ha-
Biggest hit-
Big Yellow Taxi!

You loons have to come to the 21st Century!

Joni Mitchell being relevant in this century....!
Ha-
Biggest hit-
Big Yellow Taxi!

You loons have to come to the 21st Century!

When President Carter took office in 1977, the Iran of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi was a staunch American ally, a bulwark in our standoff with the Soviet Union, thwarting the dream held since the time of the czars of pushing south toward the warm waters of the appropriately named Persian Gulf.
Being an ally of the U.S. in the Cold War, Iran was a target for Soviet subversion and espionage. Like the U.S. in today's war on terror, Iran arrested and incarcerated many who threatened its sovereignty and existence, mainly Soviet agents and their collaborators.
L: Iranian terrorists who held 52 Americans hostage in 1979 bragged that a U.S. led by Jimmy Carter could not 'do a damn thing' about it. R: Wreckage of Carter's failed hostage rescue.
This did not sit well with the former peanut farmer, who, on taking office, declared that advancing "human rights" was among his highest priorities. The shah was one of his first targets. As he's done with our terror-war detainees in Guantanamo, Carter accused the Shah of torturing some 3,000 "political" prisoners. He chastised the shah for his human rights record and engineered the withdrawal of American support.
The irony here is that when Khomeini, a former Muslim exile in Paris, overthrew the shah in February 1979, many of the 3,000 were executed by the ayatollah's firing squads along with 20,000 pro-Western Iranians.
According to "The Real Jimmy Carter," a book by Steven Hayward of the American Enterprise Institute: "Kho-meini's regime executed more people in its first year in power than the Shah's Savak had allegedly killed in the previous 25 years."
The mullahs hated the shah not because he was an oppressive dictator. They hated him because he was a secular, pro-Western leader who, in addition to other initiatives, was expanding the rights and roles of women in Iran society. Under Khomeini, women returned to their second-class role, and citizens were arrested for merely owning satellite dishes that could pick up Western television.
Khomeini established the first modern Islamic regime, a role model for the Taliban and jihadists to follow. And when the U.S. Embassy was stormed that November and 52 Americans taken hostage for 444 days, America's lack of resolve was confirmed in the jihadist mind.
On Nov. 4, 1979, some 400 Khomeini followers broke down the door of the embassy in Tehran, seizing the compound and the Americans inside. The hostage takers posed for the cameras next to a poster with a caricature of Carter and the slogan: "America cannot do a damn thing."
Indeed, America under Carter wouldn't do much. At least not until the 154th day of the crisis, when Carter, finally awakening to the seizure of U.S. diplomats and citizens on what was legally American soil, broke off diplomatic relations and began planning economic sanctions.
When Carter got around to hinting about the use of military force, Khomeini offered this mocking response: "He is beating on an empty drum. Neither does Carter have the guts for military action nor would anyone listen to him."
Carter did actually try a military response of sorts. But like every other major policy action of his, he bungled it. The incompetence of his administration would be seen in the wreckage in the Iranian desert, where a plan to rescue the hostages resulted in the loss of eight aircraft, five airmen and three Marines.
Among the core group of hostage takers and planners of the attack on our embassy was 23-year-old Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who learned firsthand the weakness and incompetence of Carter's foreign policy, one that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid are now attempting to resurrect.
According to then-Iranian President Abolhassan Bani-Sadr, Ahmadinejad was among the hostage takers and the liaison between them and prominent Tehran preacher Ali Khameini, later to become supreme leader of the Islamic Republic.
The shah was forced into exile and on the run from Morocco to Egypt, the Bahamas, Mexico and finally Panama. In July 1979, Vice President Walter Mondale and National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told Carter they had changed their minds about offering the shah permanent asylum. Carter's response was: "F*** the shah. I'm not going to welcome him here when he has other places to go where he'll be safe."
In October 1979, the shah, gravely ill with cancer, was granted a limited visa for treatment at the Cornell Medical Center in New York. He would die in Cairo in July 1980, an abandoned American friend. Our enemies took notes.
If the shah remained in power, it isn't likely the Iraq-Iran War, with upward of a million casualties on both sides, a war that saw Saddam Hussein first use mass-murder weapons, would have taken place.
Nor is it likely there would have been a Desert Storm, fought after Hussein invaded Kuwait to strengthen his strategic position. That led to bases in Saudi Arabia that fueled Islamofascist resentment, one of the reasons given by Osama bin Laden for striking at America, the Great Satan.
Khomeini introduced the idea of suicide bombers to the Palestine Liberation Organization and paid $35,000 to PLO families who would offer up their children as human bombs to kill as many Israelis as possible.
It was Khomeini who would give the world Hezbollah to make war on Israel and destroy the multicultural democracy that was Lebanon. And perhaps Jimmy has forgotten that Hezbollah, which he helped make possible, killed 241 U.S. troops in their Beirut barracks in 1983.
The Soviet Union, seeing us so willingly abandon a staunch ally, invaded Afghanistan in December 1979, just six months after Carter and Russian leader Leonid Brezhnev embraced after signing a new arms-control treaty.
And it was the resistance to the Soviet invasion that helped give birth to the Taliban. As Hayward observes, the fall of Iran, hastened by Jimmy Carter, "set in motion the advance of radical Islam and the rise of terrorism that culminated in Sept. 11."
Writer Christopher Hitchens recalls a discussion he had with Eugene McCarthy. A Democrat and former candidate for that party's presidential nomination, McCarthy voted for Ronald Reagan instead of Carter in 1980.
The reason? Carter had "quite simply abdicated the whole responsibility of the presidency while in office. He left the nation at the mercy of its enemies at home and abroad. He was quite simply the worst president we ever had."

Like I said Blindrat and Mike. Carter is a good friend of Iran.

MSNBC's talking point today
"The Iranian leader came out on top today".
Bashed israel, bashed the us, called the 9/11 story a lie...
and the new liberal flag ship calls it a victory.
I am proud to be a republican!

Sorry, Mike....Your opinion about Saddam Hussein not being a threat or evaluating his removal in moral terms as not a valid question is wrong. There is more to this struggle than pragmatism....it is about ideals....ideals of freedom to worship and think as one wishes....not to be killed because you are a religious minority or do not agree with a certain theology.

Your short-sighted view is a sad result of a lack of vision and the abandonment of the Iraqi people may be the result. And the fact that you accept OBL's take on the situation is even sadder. No, Al Queda does not have to be victorious in Iraq, but with your lack of support and call for immediate withdrawal with no support for democracy, it is quaranteed.

Posts Mike The Lussy Lou:

"However, extending that reaction to Iraq, a country that had no affiliation to either 911 OR Al Qeada was the over-reaction that OBL was hoping for."

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You are full of shit. This mass murderer had no idea we would invade Iraq over 9/11 and we went into Iraq because they were in violation of UN resolution 1441. I know it's hard for you fucking liberals to grasp that with your accusations of us invading Iraq for a multitude of reasons but lets just say you are a bunch of loons.

To date you fuckling liberals have absolutely zilch for proof of anything. Zilch. Just like that stupid Columbia bitch that said recruiters were banned from Columbia for the Don't Ask policy and now we know Iran executes fags. Like I have always said, time and common sense always proves a liberals a liar and an idiot.

Jeff, as part of my former career, I have been in and through at least 50 prisons, and if you are stupid enough to believe that ANY of them are anything but punishment, there is no help for your pathetic delusionments.

I've seen it...and I can tell you this: If I were ever a fugitive after seeing what I have seen, they would NEVER take me alive.

I've heard about your publicity seeking Arizona Sherriff for years, and he is no hero...nor does he even operate the toughest institutions in America.

Referring to the childish 5:56 post:

As I've told you many times before Laura, cussing and middle school level put downs with every new post do nothing to further your own cause.

Your presense on this blog does more to bolster the liberal cause than any other single factor I can think of.

Pukes Lussy:

"My problem with people like yourself is that you DO still embrace the original Neocon vision that we can and should militarily control the world, despite what has already occurred, and despite the deception and outright lies that it took to allow your heros to execute this vision."

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Um, who is going to protect other nations ace, France, Germany, Russia, China? They are too selfish, trying to save their economise from tanking and have plenty to hide such as the Food for Oil program that France, Germany and Russia violated by funneling billions in cash so Sadam could take a shit gold plated toilets and his sons could fly in high classed hookers while the people of Iraq were starving and kids were dying of diseases easily cureable.

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Pisses Lussy:

"It is a dangerous precedent to say the least."

END QUOTE

Um, no, to me some little Israeli school girl playing on the street going about her daily life when she could have a set of ball bearings or roofing nails blown through her body while you squall like some two year old a real precedent.

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Lussy concludes:

"The reality remains in Iraq that, in the most optomistic of projections, Iraq's future will probably never be more than something of a poor compromise between your own ridiculous vision of emposed "democracy and freedom", and utter chaos."

END QUOTE

Yeah Lussy, it's for sure it's a tough mission. It's a fact people like you have never amounted to a damned thing. You would rather bow down on your knees to terrorism as an appeaser than die on your feet as free men.

Chris Matthews was on before showing his support of Ahmadinejad!

Posts Lussy:

"they would NEVER take me alive. "

END QUOTE

You'd bend over in a pico second Lussy. A bowling ball would rattle around in your asshole after two weeks in jail.

Factor, thanks for admitting in your looonnngg and dijointed post that Ahmadinejad did not overthrow the Shah of Iran, as you originally asserted, and that the Shah was in fact, much like the hated Saddam Hussein.

And yes, he WAS our ally. His repression, combined with our unconditional support is what gave rise to the radical Iran we have known for the last 28 years.

Are you proud of that?

And I don't see where you posted any evidence that it was ever within Carter's power to prevent the overthrown of the Shah?

Mike said something like.

Are you listening to this nut-jobs speech?

What does that say about you?

Yeah Mike, and what about all those people that blew off that nut-job Hitler?

Thank God that nut-job Churchill was listening.

Back to the bottle with you.

Mike said once he had kids.

I wonder if they get grounded if dad catches them watching FNC?

Quick dads coming up the stairs, change the channel!!

Oh wait Mike probably brought these thinking they WORK! LOL!

http://www.engadget.com/2005/03/26/the-fox-blocker/

I see ACCS is calling himself Pastor Dumbfuck.

Is he in studies with Jim 'LUV GUV' McGreevey?

And last but not least some far left loon came in here talking about far-right wackos passing out stuff in DC and nobody pays attention to them.

Just like those far-left loons that stand in front of the White House and scream and yell all day at a building.

Except when we walk by, we point and laugh at them.

Oh..........What? That was blindrat?............Oh were we just playing 'Let's Pretend' again?

Oh okay I get it. Far-Right loons pass out stuff. Thats real!

But far-left loons just pretend to yell at buildings.

That's okay, we still laugh at them.

Whines Lussy Lou:

"Referring to the childish 5:56 post:

As I've told you many times before Laura, cussing and middle school level put downs with every new post do nothing to further your own cause.

Your presense on this blog does more to bolster the liberal cause than any other single factor I can think of."

END QUOTE

Um, I make you look like an idiot Lussy and you just can't stand it. You whine like a little bitch about language, you whine about people flaming Olby, you whine about everything. You are a baby.

And in case you haven't figured it out, you can't hurt me with your words but I have damned sure winged you ass because I hit so close to home. The fact is I'm a better man Lussy.

Before te Iraq war, political expression was not allowed in Iraq. There were rape rooms, people were tortured. Saddam Hussein used WMD on his own people....e was found guilty of crimes against humanty and executed for his crimes.

Mental midget forgets these facts....he also forgets that now, Shia extremists wants an Iranian puppet state in Iraq where there will be no religious freedoms and an islamic theocracy. Al Queda wants areas of sanctuary were they can train and receive support.....

These are the minorities that are shooting at our soldiers and causing the instability, mm....our troops are on the side of freedom and stability and should be supported....as requested by General Petraeus.

But mental midget forgets about Saddam's gassing of innocent Kurds, invading Kuwait, oppressing his political opposnents, his sons raping and torturing, and the fact that Al Queda is now in Iraq and along with the Shia radicals and Sunni insurgents, the ones responsible for the terrorist unrest and death.

Mental midget blames the troops! Once again, the american left.....anti-troops and anti-freedom!

Thanks for showing your true nature again, mental midget!

LMAO at Laura: "And in case you haven't figured it out, you can't hurt me with your words but I have damned sure winged you ass because I hit so close to home."

It took me a while to stop laughing after reading that!

There are a few intelligent people on the right posting on this blog who have made me stop and thnk a little about some of my convictions, but trust me, oh self deluded one...you AIN'T one of them!

Hey! you guys must be winning!

'Why can't I stay on the subject' just changed the subject.

Newsweek? Ice Poles? Is Al Gore crying to Newsweek that nobody is paying attention to him. AGAIN?

I wish they were melting, That would raise the 'Lehigh' and then I could go rafting!

Yep, a man who killed thousands with WMD, never brought to justice is ok with mental midget......Saddam had the buses running on time....nevermind he was a maniacal dictator with sons twice as bad!

The security porvided by our troops is the cause of instability......not the insurgents or the terrorists.....

anti-american mental midget.....anti-justice for the murdered mental midget......poor excuse for a moral being mental midget......

yep....when HRC is President and we continue to stay in Iraq because she discovers she can't pull the trigger on surrender....I will laugh at your naivetee, mm as well as the neocon boogeyman believer, Mike.

Funny people like nameless like to trumpet the line that Al Queda wasn't in Iraq before the war... classic. Well they are now and we fight Al Queda.... so why leave until they are obliterated?

Funny people like nameless like to trumpet the line that Al Queda wasn't in Iraq before the war... classic. Well they are now and we fight Al Queda.... so why leave until they are obliterated?

Here you go mental midget....your hero, Saddam Hussein, who kept the buses running on time, the churches filled with smiling worshipers and children skipping in the streets did the following.....

http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/iraq501/events_index.html

1968 to 2003
Killing of Political and Religious Opponents
1980
The Fayli Kurds
1982
Dujail
1983
The Missing Barzanis
1988
The Anfal Campaign
1988
Halabja
1990
The Invasion of Kuwait
1980s to 1990s
The Marsh Arabs
1991
Suppression of the 1991 Uprising
1999
Al–Sadr Killings

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And again, he was removed under Un resolutions and the approval of The US Congress including NONNEOCONS John Kerry, HRC, and John Edwards......Two of which are running as the left's Presidential candidate!

What a joke you are, mm.....You like Hussein and OBL....but hate the US troops!

And still waiting for you to address IRAQI GLOSSOVER !

Maybe when Hillary is elected president, Cee will come clean.

Posted by: Why don't you think at September 24, 2007 6:21 PM

Still waiting for you to find that 11th soldier against the war. Oliver Stoned doesn't count, either.

The average Iraqi can't even walk the streets, none of less go to worship due to the unstable conditions in most cities in iraq due to Bush's invasion and continuing "surge " that is making the region even more unstable.

posted by nobody cares

Right here is where you "blamed the troops." Tough guy.

"Mr. President, paraphrasing the words of Winston Churchill. When it comes to forcing the president change course in Iraq, Senate Democrats will never give in, never give in, never, never, never."

Harry Reid, 9/24/07

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He, he, he....we'll see....Lame duck Bush is about to ask for almost 200 Million for Iraq.....let's see if he gets it for the troops and their mission.

Huh, Mike and mental midget? Are your ruling elite going to do the deed and stop funding the war? Are they, uh? Come on guys, what's going to happen? This is the debate....the neocon policy getting the paid endorcement of the DEMOCRATICALLY controlled Congress (which as an 11% approval!)

Walk the talk, Mike....Were you at the protest a week ago Saturday?.....

How about you mental midget....those throngs of anti-war protestors that was supposed to move the finger-in-the wind leftists, did you join them?

Get the troops home NOW!......Cut the funds!

And this is my post today, the 1,568th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

"Senate Democrats will never give in, never give in, never, never, never

"never give in, never, never, never

"never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never."

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Perhaps if the left fringe's ruling class reeeeeealy believe it, it will just happen!

Huh, Mike? Huh, mental midget?

Get the troops home NOW!......Cut the funds!

And this is my post today, the 1,568th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

And I don't see where you posted any evidence that it was ever within Carter's power to prevent the overthrown of the Shah?

Posted by: Mike at September 24, 2007 6:11 PM

I don't see any evidence that you have posted that would equate the Shah of Iran with Sadam yet you keep stating it as fact. Why would you want the current gang of killers and tyrants to replace a leader who was pro-west?

I don't see any evidence that you have posted that would equate the Shah of Iran with Sadam yet you keep stating it as fact. Why would you want the current gang of killers and tyrants to replace a leader who was pro-west?

Posted by: The Factor at September 24, 2007 9:22 PM

Don't expect any facts, just his opinion. Same thing different day........

Factor, Factor, Factor, It is a FACT that the Shah of Iran was a brutal dictator despised by his own people who used repression and fear to supress fear and opposition within his own country.....just as Saddam was.

The Shah's own internal repression is what eventually brought down his house of cards....and our unconditional support of that house of cards is what poisoned Iranian public opinion about America that continues to haunt us to this very day.

Factor, I don't have either the time or inclination to give either you OR Jeff history lessons, although I do wonder what you are doing expressing controversial opinions on a political blog with no historical perspective on such matters.

Factor again: "Why would you want the current gang of tyrants and killers to replace a leader who was pro west."

WHO are you talking about in that question?

IF you are still referring to the Shah, .... and IF you are referring to Khomeini as part of the "current gang of tyrants and killers to replace a leader who was pro west", then you are asking a ridiculous question (again).

What did the deposition of the Shah have to do with what I or anyone else in America "wanted"?

What is it about "we had no control over the downfall of the Shah of Iran" that you don't understand?

Saying someone is your enemy but supporing their position in the facof an alternaive...a representative democracy, does not make sense.

Posted by: cee at September 24, 2007 3:20 PM

I love that Cee thinks a representative democracy in Iraq is an alternative.
Ya, that's what they want Cee. Democracy.

They're fighting so hard for it themselves, aren't they? They're really stepping up and taking control.

Face it, we TRIED to give it to them. They kept away from it. They aren't helping themselves. They don't join the military or the police, yet WE are supposed to care!

THE IRAQIS don't even care if they have democracy, but we are supposed to be willing to die to force feed it to them.

We tried. They don't want it. Time to realize the obvious and end this disaster. Not only are we not any closer to a real democracy over there, Dubya can't even define VICTORY. He never has. Certainly nothing we've seen can be categorized as victory. Its a bad situation that is only getting worse.

Ya, its gonna suck when we leave and the place falls to shit. That's true. It doesn't make the alternative of us staying there forever any better.

You'd bend over in a pico second Lussy. A bowling ball would rattle around in your asshole after two weeks in jail.

Posted by: Redneck Pud at September 24, 2007 6:09 PM

I love it when the republicans point out the democrat's bad language.

Sorry, assholes, this guy is one of yours.

Funny people like nameless like to trumpet the line that Al Queda wasn't in Iraq before the war... classic. Well they are now and we fight Al Queda.... so why leave until they are obliterated?

Posted by: benson at September 24, 2007 6:43 PM

Because it ain't gonna happen.
They're turning them out faster than we can kill them. The numbers are growing and growing. What we are doing is making things WORSE.

Right here is where you "blamed the troops." Tough guy.

Posted by: royal king at September 24, 2007 7:02 PM

Ummmmm....., no its not.

God you are stupid.

and show me where I blame the troops about anything!

Posted by: Why don't you think at September 24, 2007 6:21 PM

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Right here is where you "blamed the troops." Tough guy.

"The average Iraqi can't even walk the streets, none of less go to worship due to the unstable conditions in most cities in iraq due to Bush's invasion and continuing "surge " that is making the region even more unstable."

posted by why/many others

Posted by: royal king at September 24, 2007 7:02 PM

Ummmmm....., no its not.

God you are stupid.

Posted by: Freedom Fries at September 24, 2007 10:47 PM

Freedom, never forget that in Jeff's (RoyalKing) world, blaming Bush is the same as blaming the troops.

Yes, I know he logic is incomprehesible to reasonable people, but it's helpful to know there are people out there who actually think like this.

Someone on Fox attacked Keith Olbermann?? Alert the press!

is as common as Keith attacking Fox, right? Oh right, it's only wrong when people tell the truth about your precious Olbermann. Although it's perfectly alright for Olbermann to lie about any and everyone else in the Book of the Olbyloons.

Olbermann suggests Republicans are racists because they have declined invitations to minority sponsored debates. He further suggests that there is a plot afoot by Republicans to get rid of federal judges who won't impose segregation.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2007/09/24/olbermann-suggests-white-wing-gop-candidates-racist-want-re-segregate

I say that this one in a series of examples of nutty left wing bias by self-proclaimed "newsman" and "journalist" Keith Olbermann. (See also the "stolen" Ohio presidential vote in 2004 and the impending indictments for Karl Rove). Which one of you Olbermann defenders thinks that Keith's "analysis" of the the "racist" Republicans is a product of thoroughly researched, objective news reporting? Mike? Blindrat? SLOB? AAP? Clucker (where have you been)?

ok, "feedom fries."