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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    September 11, 2007
    TVN "Journalism" or It's So Much Easier Being a PR Flak Than A Reporter Edition!

    On September 8th here at Olbermannwatch, we documented how the "new" TVNewser was a lot like the old TVNewer, but even worse and less reputable if that was humanly possible. Chris continues in the great tradition of the now departed Brian Setzer in pimping MSNBC in general and Keith Olbermann in particular every chance he gets. Today's edition has this breathless PR release from MSNBC:

    Olbermann's Win A Surprise Even Inside MSNBC: Phil Griffin knew it would happen, he just didn't think it would happen this quickly. On Friday night, MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann was the top-rated cable news show in the 25-54 demo. That means Olbermann beat his cable rival, FNC's The O'Reilly Factor and its host Bill O'Reilly. That's a first. O'Reilly and all the FNC primetime programs still dominate the total viewer numbers. So why is the demo win such a big deal? "It's everything, the demo is everything. It's where we make our money," said Griffin. And the Olbermann bump helps. "For years MSNBC struggled to find someone to be the tent pole and lead the way," Griffin says. "In 11+ years, I don't think there has been a better moment."Griffin should know, he helped start MSNBC and watched as FNC shot past CNN to #1 where it remains today. And he says Bill O'Reilly rightly gets a lot of the credit. "O'Reilly did it for Fox in 1999, and helped take it to where it is today." But, he adds, "It's clear now, it's a two-person race."

    There's just so much wrong with this post that we're going to break it down piece-by-piece for you.

    UPDATED with feedback from Inside Cable News!

    Phil Griffin knew it would happen, he just didn't think it would happen this quickly. "The real insight I had was over the summer," said Griffin, the NBC News senior VP who manages the Today show as well as MSNBC. Griffin tells TVNewser, Olbermann "maintained his core audience, so when the mass viewers came back after Labor Day...it's just surprising it happened so quickly."

    Phil Griffin for those of you who don't know is an old buddy of Olbermann's. The pair worked together at CNN during Olbermann's first stint there. He's also the "genius" who was responsible for firing Don Imus. Hey Phil, ratings guru, programming genius--how's that working out for you over there at MSNBC? Yeah that "Morning Joe" is really bringing in the viewers isn't it?

    Now let's go to this next bit of fiction shall we?

    On Friday night, MSNBC's Countdown with Keith Olbermann was the top-rated cable news show in the 25-54 demo. That means Olbermann beat his cable rival, FNC's The O'Reilly Factor and its host Bill O'Reilly. That's a first.
    That certainly sounds impressive, only it's not true. You see, TVNewser and MSNBC are using "Live Plus" ratings meaning the count includes both those who watched the program live as it aired and those who recorded it on a DVR or TIVO device. Of course there is no proof whatsoever that anyone actually bothers to go back and watch what they recorded on a DVR or TIVO. I know I've got movies sitting on my TIVO that I recorded over a year ago. But here's the difference those Live Plus Numbers can make and the misleading impressions they can lead to, impressions that the MSNBC PR machine which includes their willing flack, TVNewser don't bother to explain:

    On Friday, September 7th, using the Live Nielsen data (available at Inside Cable News), Bill O'Reilly scored 1,861,000 total viewers; Olbermann? 702,000. That means that in all age groups, O'Reilly had a total of 1,159,000 more viewers than Olbermann did. Using "Live Plus", O'Reilly scored 1,885,000 total viewers; Olbermann? 856,000. A difference of 1,029,000. So in what bizarro world do you have a million more viewers, on average, than your nearest competitor and still be considered a loser? Oh yeah, right. The MSNBC PR department and TV Newser.

    So let's go look at those coveted demos too shall we? On Friday night, September 7th, using the Live data, The Factor had 311,000 viewers in the 25-54 demo. Olbermann? 269,000. Victory? It belonged to Bill O'Reilly. But using those "Live Plus"? Bill had 324,000; Olbermann had 365,000. Keep in mind there is absolutely no proof whatsoever anyone who recorded Olbermann's opinion-fest actually bothered to watch the show later, they just recorded it.

    Now we don't fault MSNBC for trying to use the best possible set of numbers to spin Olbermann's program as a "hit". That's why Public Relations departments exist after all. And we all know that Olbermann has one huge, King-Kong Style ego. But TVNewser really should rebrand himself as MSNBC/NBC/CNBC Newser if he's going to continue to post these articles without any analysis. He's even being called out for his pitiful efforts by other television industry websites for lifting items without attribution and for buying into such PR releases without providing the needed and necessary analysis that real journalists use. But perhaps Chris doesn't really understand what true journalism is. After all, his last job was at, you guessed it, MSNBC. Which is rather suprising that he chose to post the following comment on his blog from the Fox PR flack:

    When asked to comment for this story, Fox News spokesperson Irena Briganti wrote, "Does Mediabistro know you're on two payrolls — MSNBC's and theirs?(of course, I haven't been on MSNBC's payroll since I left the company in January.)"

    UPDATE!

    Inside Cable News continues to do a fine job questioning TVN on the "facts": This is a bit overdramatic. Can we please have some perspective here? It was one win in the Demo (based on Live+SD ratings and not Live ratings…more on that later in another post). Just one win. But the positive PR eminating out of Secaucus is disproportionately high... . at the same time this is hardly the time to be doing cartwheels and cracking open the champagne either. Not over one day’s ratings to be sure. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. For a trend you need long term data.


    Posted by Brandon | Permalink | Comments (47) | | View blog reactions

    47 Comments

    How can 2 or 3 days worth of wins, and winning only in the demo using live plus numbers somehow count as a winning streak? Winning streaks are weeks, months, years on top, not just one or two days. The jury is still out on whether this is a real trend for Olbermann or just more BS and bluster from Olby and MSNBC.

    They just don't listen... but keep reporting... it reveals their true ignorance.

    Why would anyone need to Tivo The Factor since it is on 3 times a night. Keep pumping out those lies MSDNC. The proof is in the pudding.

    Why would anyone need to record Countdown? It's on 2x a day as well.

    If KO did actually win the ratings view for one night,I guess there are more Al Qaeda sleeper cells in this country than we originally thought.

    His fudging of the ratings numbers reminds me of the time on Countdown where he beat on his chest after proclaiming a ratings victory in his late night second showing. Pathetic.

    TVbythenumbers.com doesn't have a dog in the MSNBC vs. Fox fight, but our understanding of Nielsen's timeshifted rating methods is that they are able to track folks that actually *watch* and not just record the shows.

    While we don't have any data on cable news timeshifting, we do have some data on broadcast news timeshifting. That single week of data suggests that news timeshifting is very small.

    TiVo, on the other hand, reports publicly, only the most recorded shows.

    From the TVnewser piece

    "When asked to comment for this story, Fox News spokesperson Irena Briganti wrote, "Does Mediabistro know you're on two payrolls — MSNBC's and theirs?"

    (of course, I haven't been on MSNBC's payroll since I left the company in January.)"

    I love the way the Fox News spokesperson reminds us where this guy came from, and this guy is dumb enough to print it. hahahah

    Thanks Bill for the link to your site, if that is you who posted it--and yes, anon at 4:29 PM, I couldn't believe TVN was so dumb as to print that remark from Fox either. Maybe he wanted us to feel sorry for him that the big-bad Fox PR machine was picking on him or more correctly, telling the truth about him.

    It is not a shock that MS-NBC would be putting out this ratings press release to cover for Olbermann's stupid Fox=Al Qeada/kkk comments.

    What is worse and really pretty ugly is to do this on 9/11. Sad day all around.

    You're probably not too far off the mark there Joe. It's akin to Britney flashing her kitty again after her horrid MTV Music Awards performance on Sunday night. They know that the liberal blogs will put this out there, no questions asked, no analysis and claim it's true. And it takes ALL the heat off his Al Qaeda/KKK comments.

    Using your own numbers, 83% of O'Reilly's viewers are over 54. Only 311,000 of 1,861,000 viewers are in the 25-54 demo? Less than 1 in 5?

    Using your own numbers, O'Reilly leads by 15% in the coveted 25-54 demo. Not all that impressive.

    So, it appears O'Reilly has a lock on the old geezer audience by a huge margin. Good for Bill.

    So, it appears O'Reilly has a lock on the old geezer audience by a huge margin. Good for Bill.
    Posted by: Pug at September 11, 2007 5:31 PM

    Too bad the "demo" doesn't really vote, but at least the "old geezers" do. Oh well, shopping is more important than voting, right? (BTW, Countdown's average viewer age: 58---hey didn't Bill-O just turn 58!)

    You know, I don't think it's a bad show. I've seen it a few times, and he does hit the nail on the head every once in a while. Good for him.

    MSNBC may start running afoul of advertisers if the people making the buys start to think the network is trying to juice its actual numbers by use of the "Live Plus" figures, if people really are TiVoing or taping "Countdown" without watching it. After all, the higher numbers are supposed to translate into higher rate card fees, but if you suspect that the books are being cooked and you're paying for eyeballs that aren't there, you might start asking A.C. Nielson to do written diary follow-ups with viewers who have both Nielsen boxes and video recorders, to make sure they're actually viewing the shows they say they're viewing.

    I suppose next week we'll hear that Olby beat O'Reilly in the coveted "people who intended to watch TV that night" category as well as the tough to crack "people who talked to others who watched TV that night" category. This guy just gets more and more pathetic.

    Oh, and the TVNewser's statement: "When asked to comment for this story, Fox News spokesperson Irena Briganti wrote, 'Does Mediabistro know you're on two payrolls � MSNBC's and theirs?'

    (of course, I haven't been on MSNBC's payroll since I left the company in January.)"

    It sounds like a non-denial denial to me. "I haven't been on the payroll since January," as opposed to "I don't work for MSNBC." The latter, of course, would be a lie.

    O'Lielly: "as soon as the old people from WW2 pass on the world will be much better"

    I REALLY wish you would quit making posts like this. I like to believe our side is better than this, but you keep proving me wrong.

    Why?

    yeah, what did that WWII generation ever do for this country? Boo old people. And screw you Tom Brokaw. (end hyperbole)

    Look, i know they are a little backward and set in their ways. But they have a right to be. We wouldn't even be here if it weren't for them you ungreatful little...

    O'Lielly: "as soon as the old people from WW2 pass on the world will be much better"

    I REALLY wish you would quit making posts like this. I like to believe our side is better than this, but you keep proving me wrong.

    Why?

    Posted by: Mike at September 11, 2007 10:02 PM

    Not a peep from the spolbs when O'liar wishes death upon Cheney, Bush and Wolfowitz. Very telling.

    Jeff: "Not a peep from the spolbs when O'liar wishes death upon Cheney, Bush, and Wolfowitz. Very telling."

    NOTHING pleases you, does it Jeff?

    Just an honest observation.

    Jeff: "just an honest observation."

    IF you had a brain in that little head of yours, you would have recognized that my reference to "quit making posts like this" was referring to ALL posts wishing death on ANYBODY.

    But hey, you can't help it Jeff. I guess you are just working with the pitiful hand that life dealt out to you.

    I wasn't aware of how connected tvnewser was to MSNBC...but that love letter today on KO really opened my eyes. Also, you can be assured that Roger Goodell is not the type of guy to let a smarmy wimp like Olbermann insult his talented wife Jane Skinner and her employer without defending her. Keith will be called to account but in a behind the scenes way....the top brass at the NFL are very loyal to Roger and know how great Jane is and I can promise you they are going to make it clear that Keith's BS needs to stop. There is no appreciation for his smarmy negative comments on the NFL fans (e.g. Jet Fans) either. All in all, NBC will need to re-think KO's duties.

    Admit it mike, it was all fine and good till he made reference to wwll vets. I like how you amended your original post and added "anybody" and "all" which were not in your first post. Nice spin, son.

    "Admit it mike, it was all fine and good till he made reference to wwII vets. I like how you amended your original post and added "anybody" and "all" which were not in your first post. Nice spin son."

    Jeff, most right wingers are not nearly as stupid as you are...and that's encouraging. I'd wager that 99% of them understood that "posts like that" didn't just mean WWII vets.

    You REALLY are one VERY, VERY stupid person....and I really DO mean that.

    Take a breath, mike. I don't want you to have a coronary. Isn't it pill time?

    Nice "diversion" Jeff, as you love to say Trust me, nothing on this silly blog is ever going to give me "a coronary". When I get tired of laughing at your stupidity, I'll just quit reading it.

    But you REALLY are one very stupid person.

    But you REALLY are one very stupid person.

    Posted by: Mike at September 12, 2007 1:12 AM


    Well, that settles it. You're the self righteous prick, right? I know, you're still sad because clucker/philby/rudy/jennifer left with her tail between her legs. Move on, mike. Trust me, she'll be back. I know she's lurking..........

    AAP, Jeff's not a bit ashamed of his own stupidity. Just don't ever tell him he doesn't support the troops! ....... LOL

    Keep making shit up, mexican patsy. Your desperation is showing.

    AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - A U.S. citizen has confessed to using an axe to kill a Dutch student after failing to find a soldier to attack, his lawyer said Tuesday.


    The suspect, Carlos Hartmann, 41, of Tecumseh, Mich., has confessed to the Sept. 8 killing on a train platform in the southern city of Roosendaal, defence lawyer Peter Gremmen said.


    Gremmen said Hartmann wanted to punish the Netherlands for its support of the war in Iraq.


    Hartmann appeared before a judge Tuesday and was ordered held for another two weeks for investigation.


    "He hates soldiers, and says that the army kills people, so it would be legitimate if he were also to kill someone . . . from the American military - or from its NATO allies," Gremmen said in a telephone interview.


    When he failed to find a soldier at the Roosendaal train station, "he got such a crazy, disturbed idea that he killed a civilian," Gremmen said.


    There comes a time in every nation’s history, where certain freedoms must be curtailed, if the nation is to survive. IN the extreme, this is known as Martial Law. At this time in our history we do not require Martial Law, to protect ourselves. We require the Patriot Act, gutted by the enemy within, the ACLU. We require the freedom to tell each and every American, where the terrorists must be hiding, what they look like, what language they speak, and who to report suspicious persons to. These common sense acts of vigilance are not now being enacted, owing to the dominance of the left wing media, and the stranglehold on our police agencies by civil libertarians both within and outside the courts.

    It was said “when the leaders will not lead the people, the people must lead the leaders”. Now is our time to lead our leaders, in this war against radical Islam. We the people must be vigilant, where the government dares not tread. We must demand a means such as an 800 number that all suspicious activity or persons (such a single central anti-terror number does not exist, even today!) can be reported to the authorities

    In conclusion, we are as vulnerable to being attacked, if not more vulnerable, than we were on September 11th, 2001. Only when we the people stand up to the gangs of the illegitimate, suicidal, leftists, in the courts, the press and the government itself, do we have a whisper of a chance to stop the next attack. These crazy leftists would put their socialist principles above survival. Let me remind them, that the ultimate principle is survival.

    Michael Savage

    9/11/2007


    I understand Jeff.....Morons everywhere will find Savage's diatribe you posted above compelling.

    And people with average intelligence and above will find it paranoid and laughable .... as long as too many people don't actually take this nut seriously.

    2:07 What happenned to the "clear thinker" you claimed to be? Open minded, too. I don't agree with everything in the 1:56 post, but, a lot of it makes sense. Are you claiming to have above average intelligence, all the while, hanging out on a blog defending Keith Olbermann? I find that a little ironic.

    12:54 Anon:

    1) - "Are you claiming to have above average intelligence, all the while, hanging out on a blog defending Keith Olbermann? I find that a little ironic."....How does a claim of "Average intelligence or above" morf into a 'claim' of above average. I find some of you people's tendency to reach rather ironic. And, I "hang out" here because I want to...you need no other reason.

    2) - "What happened the the "clear thinker" you claimed to be."....Actually, I took that phrase directly from Johnny and rabid olbermann haters like Brandon, who laughably use it all the time.

    3) - "I don't agree with everything in the 1:56 post, but a lot of it makes sense."....Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

    1. "There comes a time in every nation’s history, where certain freedoms must be curtailed, if the nation is to survive."

    Michael Savage , 2007 (?)


    2. "What is the greatest threat facing us now? People will say it's terrorism. But are there any terrorists in the world who can change the American way of life or our political system? No. Can they knock down a building? Yes. Can they kill somebody? Yes. But can they change us? No. Only we can change ourselves. So what is the great threat we are facing?"

    Colin Powell, September 10, 2007

    3. "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

    Benjamin Franklin, 1755


    4. "Order of the Reich President for the Protection of People and State: On the basis of Article 48 paragraph 2 of the Constitution of the German Reich, the following is ordered in defense against Communist state-endangering acts of violence: Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom"

    Reichstag Fire Decree, 1933

    Find the two pairs of quotes listed above that have the most similarities with one another. 10 pts.

    SLOB, I could find similarities in a serial murderer's quotes and your quotes. What does that tell you? Only a blind partisan hack, like you and a couple others here, would see any similarities in Nazi Germany and Savage. Your desperation is showing and laughable. "Ordering" and "curtailing" are worlds apart, einstein.


    SLOB, I could find similarities in a serial murderer's quotes and your quotes. What does that tell you? Only a blind partisan hack, like you and a couple others here, would see any similarities in Nazi Germany and Savage. Your desperation is showing and laughable. "Ordering" and "curtailing" are worlds apart, einstein.

    Posted by: royal king at September 12, 2007 6:06 PM


    Dude; I only posted an exercise in cognition; I asked you to group the quotes into matching pairs.

    Apparently your own conclusions cause you some distress. You ought to talk to somebody about that.

    Touched a nerve, did I? My conclusion was you are grasping at very short straws, at best. Next?

    Actually if you look Curtailing rights and Suspending (The purpose of the Order) rights is very similar.

    How would you Curtail the rights of the citizens of the US without an "Order" in some form from the executive or the legislative?

    We should all thank our lucky "Short Straws" that Bush can't just wave a magic wand and make our rights dissapear.

    ...no kidding. If the Nazis didn't "curtail" the rights of various demographics, I'm not sure what you'd call it.

    And once again take note: I supplied four quotes and asked the moron to group them thematically - the Savage quote and the Reichstag Fire Decree were not even listed consecutively.

    Actually, I may be unfair calling rk a moron - he did come up with the right answer after all

    Does anyone here suppose that rk might actually BE Michael Savage? He seems to be taking very hard my identification of Dr. Weiner's statements as being categorically fascist.

    Perhaps, but barring debate on that topic I certainly wouldn't use the words of a man who was fired from television news for a psychotically bigoted on-air rant. ON-AIR LIVE.

    Addressing a prank caller after asking the caller whether he was a "Sodomite" he continued with and I quote:

    "Oh, so you're one of those sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig; how's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better to do than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage, and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Now do we have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bathhouse who's angry at me today? Put another, put another sodomite on....no more calls?...I don't care about these bums; they mean nothing to me. They're all sausages."

    Yup! That sounds like just the kind of man I want to quote when I'm looking to make a point!

    For real. BTW. He was fired from MSNBC.

    AS AN INDEPENDANT, I CAN'T STAND TO WATCH KIETH ON COUNTDOWN. WHY IS HIS SHOW ALWAYS ONE SIDED? WHO WANTS TO WATCH THAT? WHERE'S THE BALANCE? I GIVE BILL O' REILEY CREDIT. HE MAY BE CONSEVATIVE, AND I MAY NOT AGREE WITH EVERYTHING BUT AT LEAST HE HAS THE COURAGE AND BRAINS TO CHALLENGE AND DEBATE BOTH POINTS OF VEIW. WHAT'S THE MATTER KEITH? AFRAID SOMEONE MAY CUT THROUGH YOUR SPIN TWISTING THE FACTS AND DEMONIZE WHOEVER AND WHATEVER YOU CHOOSE EACH DAY? YOUR A COWARD AND JUST AN OVERPAID "POLITICAL COMENTATOR" -CERTAINLY NOT A JOURNALIST IN ANY WAY. AND YOU WONDER WHY YOUR RATINGS ARE SO LOW?? HUMMM

    Hey, Miss Speller, on the row of keys on the far left of your keyboard, probably midway, there is a key labeled CAPS LOCK. If you press it, you won't get all capital letters. Better still, just don't write back. You didn't write anything worth reading anyway.

    And it's only a matter of time before they will eventually have to fire Keith Olbermann for having an Imus moment as well.

    And it's only a matter of time before they will eventually have to fire Keith Olbermann for having an Imus moment as well.

    We've been hearing that for a long time and it hasn't happened yet. Get a new song Numbskull or even better, stop singing.