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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    October 5, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - October 5, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • SECRET TORTURE: Robert Baer, fmr. CIA officer and time.com columnist
    • 2008 ELECTION: Joan Walsh, salon.com editor
    • RUSH LIMBAUGH CONTROVERSY: Brandon Friedman, member of VoteVets

    Finally the week is over, and what do you know, Keith Oralmann is still pounding the Limbaugh "controversy". (Geez, Bathman. To paraphrase your sidekick The Boy Wonder, why this obsession over Rush? When did a Rush comment ever kill anyone?) How do we know Bush is not lying? Plus the religious right, the sports liar Marion Jones (this portion was clearly edited into the prerecorded spiel later), and more. It's casual Friday at Olbermann Watch.

    #5: Six and a half years of lies. "Brutal interrogation practices" (like face slapping). Bush (R) "alleged", Rockefeller (D) stated. The language of OlbyPlanet. James Risen of the Times regurgitated the contents of his report. Then when Baer came on the scene they revived The Hour of Spin's torture never works mantra.

    Sigh. Olbermoronn has already embarrassed himself on this subject:

    'Nuff said.

    Bathtub Boy

    #4: Fundamentalists may go third party if Rudy wins the nomination. Um, isn't this the same story Olby has already covered this week? Well yeah, but Countdown is more than ever a Xerox machine. New poll sez Hillary is the "least polarizing" candidate. Wow, who do you suppose "suggested" this story to Olbermoronn? Reference to the "far right" [Ding!]. Walsh says Hillary is "warm" and "convincing". Another attack on Rudy and it was on to the ritual Great Thanks.

    #3: Shock! Republicans raising money with the Limbaugh flap "on the backs" of soldiers, sermonized Rev Olbermahn. How about votevets raising money with the Limbaugh flap, "on the backs" of soldiers? Not a mention, because Keith Oralmann is a hypocrite and a slovenly political hack. His sock puppet guest: a writer for Daily Kos (Keith's favorite charity), who delights in calling people "chickenhawk" and "draft-dodger" and then complains about name-calling (on-screen graphic: "Chicken Hawk Chutzpah"). Oh and he called GOP fundraising on this issue "deplorable", again without mentioning votevets rundraising on this issue. Reference to the "far right" [Ding!].

    After "Fixed Noise" [Ding!] came #2: Olby rhapsodized over Marion Jones, comparing her "extraordinary" speech to that of restroom roamer McGreevey (D). Marion Jones has, of course, proved herself to have been a serial liar for years. So why is Monkeymann sticking up for a congenital liar? Birds of a feather. She was guilty of obstruction of justice. Like Scooter Libby. #1: Oddball and more oddball.

    In the Media Matters Minute, Fat Ass attacked the "prejudiced" Glenn Beck (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters) and, of course, "Fixed News" [Ding!] (Blue Blog Source: TVNewser). Olbermann repeated a lie from months ago, that Bush "pardoned" Libby. Oh, and Fat Ass also smeared John McCain (Blue Blog Source: Think Progress). Why? He re-used an old joke. Way to go Olby! You would never do that, right? Bill Orally? Comedian Rush Limbaugh. Coultergeist. Fox Noise. Yada yada yada. Man, it's downright scary to contemplate just how much arrogance and how little self-awareness this hockey puck must have!

    Keith Limpermann

    If it's Friday, it's our weekly assessment of Krazy Keith's masculinity. This week Monkeymann attacked Fox and other broadcasters 31 times. Olby's source (Hillary Clinton's Media Matters) criticized (MS)NBC nine times, but again, Keithy protected his corporate masters with zero criticisms. That makes this week's Olbermann Manhood Quotient: -62 [limper than ultra-limp].

    MisterMeter

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name sunk to #38,260 on amazon, while "Culture Warrior" is #2,550. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) Barnes & Noble lists the OlbyTome at #46,557; O'Reilly's book is #2,019 there, and is one of the top five books of 2006 per Publishers Weekly. On Thursday "Chicken and Waffles" Olbermann managed to crawl out of his third place hole, but again lost overwhelmingly to his nemesis the eeevil Mr Bill, both in total viewers and in the coveted, pivotal, much-beloved, critical, all-important "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 2 [LOW]


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (184) | | View blog reactions

    184 Comments

    So is Shecky Olbermann the libnut Rich Little? He mimics BOR and Rush horrendously, and now we know how awful his Glenn Beck impersonation is. Go back to sports, Olbytard.

    Keith's a hack, name-caller, and liar
    Countdown's ratings are quite simply dire
    Keith is divisive
    The viewers decisive
    Bill O'Reilly's ratings are higher

    No comment from Traitor Keith on Iranians stomping on US flags and Ahmadinejad calling to exterminate Israel!

    Thank you, Johnny.

    Grammie

    Thank you Johnny for that great clip. One suggestion, you should have also put in clips of O'Reilly interviewing George Tenet saying that the integration techniques used stopped terrorist attacks. I suspect that Olbermanns CIA agent is about as reliable as super spy Valarie Plame.

    Krazy Keith expectorates
    No surprise he's filled with hate
    Sucked off by Matthews
    Still appears in orange hues
    From afar BOL he bates

    I think KO needs some serious help with his O'Reilly obsession.

    Olbermann aka Teheran Keith is a traitor!

    Great side by side. This is the only way Keith would ever debate Bill. In the solitude of his bathtub, Keith is always right, comfy, and clean! No one is rubbed the wrong way... and the outside world doesn't exist, its just an echo chamber. The set of countdown is a veritable, virtual bathtub.

    p.s. I heard this uncoordinated fat assed idiot can't swim, so he stays in the tub.

    Hey Posted by: Why don't you think

    -----------------

    Why don't you read the legislation and by the way how's it going to be paid for genius?

    Nothing more than a ploy by Democrats to woo voters.

    is is me or has media matters forced its way to making msnbc think it's a legit news source,
    anyway, i know all of you would enjoy this wonderful video on emperor hillary
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jzv8CgclW0
    enjoy

    States will be permitted to expand coverage to families earning up to 300 percent of
    FPL ($61,950 for a family of four in 2007)

    From HR 976.

    Those POOR low income families...shame on Bush

    Why don't you think: Did The Boss mention the 312 murders committed in Philly as of this morning?

    The CHIP bill that Bush vetoed was a very thinly veiled attempt to be the first step toward socialized medicine. Including high-income families and "children" up to the age of 25 is not a health care bill for the poor.

    What an hysterical dingbat Springsteen is.

    I missed last night's freak show. Did Miss Olbermoronn denounce Hillary Rodham for using Ground Zero footage in her new campaign ad? If not, can we expect Olbermoronn in the future to denounce Rodham for exploiting Ground Zero?

    My guess is not so much. That will have to be our job, I suppose.

    Bruce Springsteen ain't the boss of me.

    why, to the contrary.

    Bobo, stuff a sock in it!

    Grammie

    Then he grew more serious, saying the song was about "things happening these last six years that we never thought would happen in America: illegal wiretapping, no right to habeas corpus, the rolling back of civil liberties."

    Posted by: Why don't you think at October 6, 2007 2:48 AM


    Whaaa, Whaaa, Whaaa! I stopped listening to Bruce when he backed Ketchup Kerry.

    K man, that was hysterical.

    Thanks. A nice antidote to the ravings of Bobo on a lovely Saturday morning.

    Grammie

    Then "he grew more serious, saying the song was about "things happening these last six years that we never thought would happen in America: illegal wiretapping, no right to habeas corpus, the rolling back of civil liberties."

    The reich wingers hate when the truth hits them right between the eyes.


    ###
    And all you're going to do about these alleged constitutional violations is SING ABOUT THEM?

    HA, HA, HA!!!!

    People should be going to jail if these things happend, mental midget! Presidents and their minions should be impeached, removed from office and put on trial for CRIMES!

    When it is only a singer making billions of dollars from the event doing the complaining, I sense a lack of seriousness regarding the allegations.

    Ah, but marketing is what is all about and I am glad people can use anti-war rhetoric to make their living!

    But if I am to take it seriously, the left's ruling elite should be chraging some people with high crimes against the constitution and bringing them to justice.....

    Not just singing a nice tune about it!!!!

    He, he, he....what a joke you are mental midget!

    The Boss is back !!!!!!

    Why don't I think at October 6, 2007 12:32 PM


    This Brainless moron actually thinks that someone gives two shits what some old washed up drunken "rocker" thinks. Sell out is his name and kissing Hollyweird ass is his game. Keep making your political decision on what Hollywierd geniuses think zombie. I'll make them based on people who actually work for a living. Keep making those freedom fries at Bk and playing you "Boss". LOL

    Cee: "And all you're going to do about these alleged constitutional violations is SING ABOUT THEM?"

    I nominate this for a medal in The OW Quote of the Month Club.

    Grammie

    Thanks Grammie....but you are still the queen....

    Mental Midget....Impeachment hearings would bring the evidence for what The Boss is singing about to light and then perhaps a case could be made....

    But your leaders do not want any political risk.

    They rely of The Boss to sing about it all and that is what I am supposed to regard as leadership?

    Mental midget, your old tune is tired and forgotten. Perhaps The Boss will sing about The President's speech and the error in the number of countries fightin for freedom and democracy for the Iraqi people!!

    Then you can brin it up, again!

    Remember The Boss used America patriotism in the early 80's to pay his mansion's mortgage, mental midget.....he is a very good businessman in fleecing his fan base.

    Born In The USA!!!!

    That will be $24.99 for the latest anti-war song, please....Thank you!

    Name a song by Springsteen in the last 15 years that has achieved iconic status like some of his 1973-92 works. The song he received the biggest amount of publicity about was 2000's "41 Shots", which besically indicted the New York City Police Departmen,t and by inferrence, Rudy Giuliani, for the deliberate murder of Amadou Diallo, in what n investigation later showed was a horrific mistake in a botched drug raid (No police went to jail in the Diallo incident, unlike the earlier Abner Louima abuse case, and the timing of the release of Bruce's song was seen as an attempt to help Hillary Clinton in what was expected to be a run against Giuliani for the U.S. Senate seat in New York in 2000).

    The song, and its performance at Madison Square Garden -- while Springsteen was being protected by NYC police officers working security -- caused such a stink among many of his fans, that he had to come out with that full 9/11 album in no small part as a way to repair his reputation as a "man of the working class people" following the death of hundreded of police and firefighter in the terrorist attack (of course, with the fawning press The Boss always gets from key music critics, he could have delievered 75 minutes of soulful chicken clucking noises in the wake of Sept. 11, and they still would have declared it a work of genious. As they will his latest CD).

    Sure, mental midget...Bruce Springstein is not a multi-millionaire who markets himself to a particualr demographic?

    You are getting sillier everyday!

    The ALBUM "Born In The USA" was a definite change in style and form for Springstein and reflected the more patriotic and conservative tone in the country in 1984, mental midget.....The Boss is no more a voice for his generation as Brtiney Spears is....

    He is a businessman who wants to make money....and does a great job....I admire him for it!

    Now you can get all swooney and faint when you go to his concerts, mental midget....I am glad to hear you enjoy such good Rock n' roll...but do not place the man on such a pedestal for the rest of us to worship....he is a commercial recording artist with no more credibility than you, Loin, me or the guy down the street.

    Only our lovable little Bobo, the mental midget, would make a political argument based on who he considers to be the musical giant of the world.

    Is there any aspect of life that Bobo does NOT claim as proving that he and his philosophy and politics are superior to we wascally Republicans.

    No doubt Bobo loves broccoli and that proves President GWHB Bush was inferior and Bobo superior.

    As I said earlier, " Bobo, stuff a sock in it!"

    Grammie

    Name an iconic song by Springsteen from the last 15 years. That's all I'm asking. Name a song that still gets repeated airplay, or is covered by other singers. You think kareoke bars are full of people singing "57 Channels" on Friday nights?

    The muse is gone from the sage of Asbury Park, N.J. All that remains is pedestrian grunt work that is designed more to suit The Boss' politics than to actually entertain an audience. Only the Springsteen cultists haven' figured that one out by now.

    Trying to use Bruce Springstein as a success story in place of actually affecting change in Iraq War policy shows how leaderless and unprincipled the left is.

    Along with their overblown tirade against Limbaugh this week, all the left can show for their efforts is the SAME policy in Iraq that was in place in 11/06 and President Bush still able to influence policy on the domestic front...see SCHIP.

    If all you have on your mind is the election in 2008, you better think twice about that plan. Much can happen and The Boss's allegations of civil right abuses and high crimes and misdemeanors not being addressed by the democrats simply shows the truth to it all.

    The left....singing about high crimes....but not doing anything real about them....

    I am sure we can defeat Al Queda with a good ol' Boss hit, hey leftists!

    Why don't you think sez:

    "Why don't you think: Did The Boss mention the 312 murders committed in Philly as of this morning?"

    Was he supposed to?


    What a stupid statement that was !
    Is he supposed to fix that problem too?
    He does more to lift people's spirits than anyone I know.
    That's quite a lot!
    *********************
    Well, WDYT, since Bruce was whining over our alleged lost civil liberties, I thought he might be concerned about the 312 (the last time I checked - could be more by now) who literally lost their life and liberty on the Streets of Philadelphia.

    Oh, and did we mention that we don't support socialized health care or a nanny state? Why don't you think?

    I suppose this is why Bruce was angry whn Reagan tried to use "Born in the U.S.A" as a campaign song...because e was conservative.


    ###
    I never claimed The Boss was a conservative, I claimed his album was a very different type of album (he is standing in front of an American flag for goodness sake) from what he did before.

    Richard....Bruce could get upset all he wants....the title song of the very different album was seen as a pro-American anthem despite the silly political leanings of the The Boss (who, BTW can hardly put a complete sentence together....that is from all of the drugs the poor man took in the free wheeling '70's).

    I was referring to the album....you know with titles and themes appealing to middle (what the elite left calls fly-over) America like....

    Darlington County
    Glory Days
    My Hometown

    And the pop dance hit (verrrry different for the boss)....

    Dancing In The Dark

    So Richard, the reality is, The Boss knows his audience and how to play them....like I said, I respect the capitalist Springstein....his many houses, private jets spewing CO2 into the atmosphere and minions of bodyguards tells who he really is.

    I don't agree with his leftist politics and lack of conviction to bring the criminals to justice, however. If America is in such dire straight, I really think people should be doing more than just writing pop songs for Amazon.com!

    The more i watch him the more i become convinced olbermann is the Jean-Paul Marat of our times.

    The more i watch him the more i become convinced olbermann is the Jean-Paul Marat of our times.Posted by: hawkeye guy at October 6, 2007 2:51 PM

    ^very funny hawkeye guy:

    from wikipedia on Jean-Paul Marat:

    ..."He was stabbed to death in his bathtub by the Girondin sympathizer Charlotte Corday."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Marat

    They love 'em in Miami (or: Olbermann+Countdown+Sunday Night Football=NBC spend big bucks on Olbermann's contract, so
    he's here to stay folks, get use to it):

    New analysts are a boon for NBC
    By BARRY JACKSON
    bjackson@MiamiHerald.com

    NBC: Keith Olbermann, Tiki Barber and an innovative new approach have transformed the pregame show from a dull, meandering exercise into a model highlights show that blends humor, news and reasoned commentary without all the bluster and bombast.

    Olbermann's wit has enlivened the show, and Barber -- poised, polished and thoughtful -- has been a huge upgrade over Screaming Sterling Sharpe.

    By placing Bob Costas and Olbermann on one set to narrate highlights, and Cris Collinsworth, Jerome Bettis and Barber on another to analyze them, NBC has effectively eliminated the temptation for the commentators to shout over each other during highlights.

    What a novel, and welcomed, concept.

    http://www.miamiherald.com/615/story/260944.html

    If Limbaugh is the kettle, Democrats are the pot
    By Jonah Goldberg
    Tribune Media Services
    10/05/2007 08:28:48 PM MDT

    "Keith Olbermann, MSNBC's answer to a question no one asked, declared this week that I'm the "worst person in the world." This is not as bad as it might seem. It's sort of like being called uncool by the asthmatic assistant recording secretary of the high school chess team."

    http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/ci_7097827

    "You crazy bastards can keep the racist South."


    ###
    Ah, see my post on the other thread, Richard....support for the end of The United States as a union inder The Constituion is a common conclusion of those with very radical ideologies.....

    I just joined Sir Loin of Milquetoast in defeat in the recognition that The United States is responsible for

    International Communism
    International Islamic Terrorism
    My last ingrown toenail....

    So, let's just chuck it all.....represenative democracy that allows freedom of religious expression and thought is such an archane ideal!

    Like I said on the other thread....Bruce Springstein can be the new dictator's lyricist....afterall, no one knows what good for all of us like The Boss does!

    "I just joined Sir Loin of Milquetoast in defeat in the recognition that The United States is responsible for

    International Communism
    International Islamic Terrorism
    My last ingrown toenail...."

    Phari-cee, you truly are intellectually helpless. What was concluded was:

    International Communism was an Orwellian fiction that never existed

    International Islamic Terrorism is "international" only in the regard that these small, generally autonomous cells of criminals frequently travel across borders to commit their crimes

    Your last ingrown toenail means that Jesus is angry with you.

    Richard,

    War heroes?

    Jesse Macbeth is one of your guys. He claimed to have witnessed atrocities in Iraq but in reality he was kicked out of boot camp.

    Thomas Scott Beaucamp claimed to have witnessed atrocities, too, but is laying low, as is the New Republic, which published his lies. He ain't no Republican.

    Sen. Tom Harkin claimed falsely to be a Vietnam Vet.

    Bill Clinton was drafted and then tricked the draft board into undrafting him because "I plan to join the ROTC next fall".

    You tell your side to stop the fucking lying.

    "He does more to lift people's spirits than anyone I know.
    That's quite a lot!"

    why


    The drugs probably don't have any effects on your "spirits" do they? Hello? Anybody? Yoohoooo!

    *Sharon's sorry understanding of the problem along with pathetic comments of the other RW'ers at this site on this issue demonstrate how how of touch you are with the American people.

    Why don't you think (why don't you??)

    I am the American people. I would be one of the beneficiaries of the legislation. You are out of touch with the average American.

    *Middle class people are being scared straight with the cost of their health care...and many companies are eliminating it or making it too expensive for them to pay.
    People lose their jobs for a variety of reasons and then can't afford health care.

    What the heck do you think I am? My husband had a heart attack at age 40, just after 9/11. We have young children. If he doesn't maintain coverage, we're toast. Good people can disagree with the health care plan. I would like to see coverage extended, but not to the extent that it ultimately hurts.

    I saw Springsteen in September of 1984, and he put on a tremendous show. He supported the steel workers (my dad) in some fashion, gave a big donation or something. I thought he was "the Boss" at the time. Naive me.

    You are right that he can live how he wants. But he shouldn't preach about all the wrongs of the world when he could fund the Wounded Warrior Project by the proceeds of one of his concert tours.

    If those without military service had abstained from voting in 2003, what would the outcome have been?

    *Pat Buchanan: did not serve.

    Pat Buchanan was an outspoken critic of the war during the lead up.

    "Of the 18 announced Democratic and Republican presidential candidates, only Republicans John McCain and Duncan Hunter have served on the front lines. Three others served in noncombat roles and another two served in the reserves.

    Voters aren't likely to care very much, experts say."

    More at http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2423789220070625?pageNumber=2&sp=true

    Posted by: at October 6, 2007 5:15 PM

    what does this list prove?

    BTW you forgot to add the Repubs that DID serve, and the Dems that did NOT serve
    KO is not on the list

    *coward chickenhawks who accuse their enemies of not being patriotic. That is the point. The Republicans are fucking hypocrits.

    THE REPUBLICANS. That means ALL Republicans have accused their "enemies" of being unpatriotic. Right. You really are interested in debate.

    *You crazy bastards can keep the racist South.

    You just discounted every person in a geographical area.

    Dicky, if you don't like the way others refuse to play your game by your rules pack it up and take it home with you.

    Grammie

    >Countdown: GOP Using Limbaugh’s Attacks On Troops To Raise Campaign Cash

    Olbermann Watch: VoteVets using Limbaugh's Comments on Troops to Raise Campaign Cash.

    Of course The Hour of Spin reported (with ersatz outrage) about the first, but not about the second.

    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 6:21 PM


    Well, well, well. Little Dickey douche bag is back. How will he enthrall us with his acumen today?

    If you’ve been following the debate, you no doubt know that practically everything the Bush gang has said about the bipartisan S-CHIP compromise is wrong. If you need a refresher, the WaPo’s usually-mild-mannered Eugene Robinson slammed the president pretty hard today, saying Bush’s veto “should shock the consciences of every American.” He added that the White House’s rationale on the policy is “a pack of flat-out lies.”

    But they’re lies that Rudy Giuliani, Mitt Romney, Fred Thompson, and John McCain happen to believe.

    Posted by: at October 6, 2007 6:31 PM


    Yeah, it's going to work wonders like the tobacco master settlement agreement of 1998. Can I sale you a bridge dumbass?

    Oh my....the best retort to my posts all day was the spell checker....Sorry about my gaffe....I made The Boss a Heeb like me.....I should have been more sensitive to you anti-Semitic leftists. Sorry.

    Richard is one to replace Mike on a day like today....especially with the tired old Chickenhawk argument. Using the valor and service of yourself or others to try to win a political debate....It failed in 2004 and, since none of the major leftist ruling class candidates for president are veterans, the American people will wisely see the argument for what it was, again......pathetic.

    Poor Richard...retreats to the weak position of whiner Mike, Sir Loin of Milquetoast and the other rabid left fringe...."military service is only valuable if it helps me win an argument."

    Otherwise, soldiers are baby killers and deserve to be spat upon.....See my numerous other posts regarding how the Anti-American left usually treats those serving in the military.....

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07


    ###
    Lousy fundy flat earthers and slimy jews who don't listen to The Boss!....It's all their fault America is fighting for freedom and democracy in Iraq....

    Cut the funds....bring the troops home now!

    Stop singing about the crimes!......Impeach Bush and Cheney now!

    And this is my post today, the 1,580th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    "Thinking such as your's is a cancer on our nation that needs to be cut out." MIKE posted 10/4/07 7:02PM

    6:31, we certainly can count on WaPo to present a fair and balanced opinion about socialist initiatives. And monkeys are flying out of Ben Bradlee's butt.

    > I do believe her words were "I supported"...so you fuckers are just using conflation again.

    I do believe you are once again not telling the truth. He words were that she helped START and support Media Matters. The "non-partisan" Media matters.

    And another thing, this whole Sen. Clinton "founding" MM, I do believe her words were "I supported"...so you fuckers are just using conflation again. Nice. Don't let the facts get in the way. Prove that she sat down with David Brock and others, drew up plans, set the agenda, and then funded MM. Until then, shit the fuck up and come up with something real, like this:


    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 6:47 PM


    In 1990, MLB owners wwere found guilty of collusion and fined $280 million. I don't think is was ever established that they all met in a room one day.

    You keep trying,... Little Dickey douche bag.

    "Ah yes, I remember how I hate the miltary because I think that George Bush is a pussy and a moron. Therefore, I hate my cousin, four of my uncles, and my father...all veterans. I hate them. Also, I remember this story being outed as, what was the word, false? Nice try, asshat."


    ###
    Show me where and when The New York Times retracted this story...

    I am sorry that the bulk of the anti-war movement is like this, anon and treats your relatives who are serving proudly for freedom and democracy in such a way....as they did back in the 1970's...These facts are listed on websites in various posts of mine on other treads and you can read these tragic events for yourself.

    Tell him, Sir Loin of Milquetoast....you went and saw the CBS News report from 1971, right?

    Or maybe you didn't because you can't face how your ilk treat other people.

    And anon, I would research before you post....The Times stands by the report as does that brave, disabled veteran. Besmurch him and his service all you want...it would be typical of your side in this debate.....

    Like Senator Reid....
    Like Congressman Murtha....
    Like Senator Durbin....
    Like Senator Kerry....
    Like Senator Obama....

    Your elite calling our troops dumb, terrorists, killers and comparing the same to soldiers of totalitarian regimes and not defending them as the fighters for freedom and democracy that they are in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    How would you describe those men and women, anon?


    "You are such fucking losers."

    7:30, your self-proclaimed superior mind is being disserviced by your inferior listening and comprehension skills. And as a typical libnut, it is predictable that you would create your own reality and then verbally abuse and spew profanity at those who see through your delusional lies. Moonbat mind tricks do not work on clear thinkers. Go back on your meds.

    A few prominent Democrats who did not serve in the military:

    Barak Obama
    John Edwards
    Harry Reid
    Howard Dean
    Bill Richardson
    Joe Biden
    Dick Durbin
    Robert Byrd

    Franklin Delano Roosevelt

    "If Sen. Clinton had that big of a hand in the starting of Media Matters, why doesn't Bill O'Reilly attack Sen. Clinton every night?"
    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 8:02 PM

    Bill O wouldn't stoop so low. He's not like KO, or you, anon, WDYT, and the rest of you far left nuts.

    "Tell me I'm wrong..."
    OK, you're wrong.

    "FDR brought this country into war with NAZIS and JAPAN, not a country that didn't attack us, like Iraq."

    we're not at war with Iraq. we're at war with terrorists in Iraq.

    Why are you such a NOBODY,

    The war in Afghanistan is a "war of choice". Both Michael Moore, Cindy Sheehan, Dennis Kucinish, Noam Chomsky, and Gore Vidal say so.

    The NAZIS hadn't attacked us. But we helped finish them off first before JAPAN.

    Why are you such a NOBODY,

    Definition:

    CHICKENHAWK-somebody who supports a war you are against.

    MSNBC's Keith Olbermann pounds Fox News' Bill O'Reilly for his clearly pathological lying and repeated bizarre behavior. But Keith's doing a little personal revisionism himself. He's lying about his age. On his show Thursday night he claimed he was "47." Last week a guest on his show used that same figure. A simple check indicates Keith was born January 27, 1959. That makes him 48. Perhaps he's freaking out as he approaches 50, unmarried, and with a girlfriend young enough at 23 or 24 to be his daughter. Keith, you're entitled to your mid-life crisis, but age prevarication simply lumps you into Bill O'Reilly's lying league. I've followed your career and I'm aware that I'm ten years older than you.

    Marty Chickaboomer

    Richard,

    Either the war in Afghanistan is a war of choice that you do not support or you are a chickenhawk for not fighting in it.

    Which is it, asshole?

    "Winning is such a good feeling..."

    if you consider throwing profane words at us, and now physical threats "Winning", then I guess you should feel great.

    KO is still objectively one of this biggest USA haters on TV. Shame on him.

    Some of you low grade people need to stop with the "F" bomb. It is childish and shows what is really in your hearts.

    "
    Or posting facts and dismantling you cowards. I WIN!"

    lol

    You hate America you puke Richard. Your vile hate will be revisited on you be sure. Do you kiss your mum with that mouth? Or did you kill her?

    you are incorrigible.

    sad,,,just sad

    "(I was a Republican until 1999 when Bush stole the election). I love the truth."

    Is this a bit? lol

    Everything that I love, you hate. Since I love America, particularly The Constitution, then you must hate America. Get the fuck out of my country, you fucking traitor.

    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 9:19 PM

    We own you.

    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 9:24 PM


    Hey Little Dickey douche bag. Is this the best that you can come up? Mom must be so proud.

    Bush didn't steal the election...He WON it. Are you nuts ever going to get over it?

    Here is another Democrat War hero for your list.

    Oct. 6, 2000: When Vice President Al Gore claimed, during the first presidential debate of the 2000 campaign, his uncle had been gassed in World War I while serving in Bosnia, skeptical fact checkers went to work – and they, like the campaign itself, came up empty.

    "And when the conflict came up in Bosnia," said Gore, "I saw a genocide in the heart of Europe, with the most violent war on the continent of Europe since World War II. Look, that's where World War I started, in the Balkans. My uncle was a victim of poison gas there. Millions of Americans saw the results of that conflict."

    World War I started in the Balkans, true. Millions of Americans saw the results of that conflict, true. But if anyone was gassed in the Balkans, it wasn't any of our American troops, who served in Western Europe, and it certainly wasn't Al Gore's uncle. An exhaustive records search raised doubts he even served in the military during the "Great War."

    The National Archives had no record of Gore's uncle in the service and the best the campaign could do was provide a 1959 newspaper obituary saying he had been gassed as a soldier in France, information most likely provided by the family.

    Al Gore's Uncle and phony soldier? Who would have guessed?

    1999?????? You don't even know history Rickie. He stole it in the election of 2000. You people were much too incompetent to get it then. Stole it in 2004 also. Once again the democrat party was too stupid to get it.

    They may steal it again in 2008.

    You must have a serious mental disorder Dick because all that proceeds from your mouth is vile profanity. What a shame you can't use words of substance instead of words of your soul.

    Another phony soldier and Clinton friend and donor.


    Confronted with mounting evidence that M. Larry Lawrence, the late Ambassador to Switzerland, had fabricated a heroic World War II record, his widow decided today to have his remains exhumed from Arlington National Cemetery, where he was granted burial under an unusual waiver." By Bill Clinton for donating money
    "Mr. Lawrence said he had been serving in the United States merchant marine. He said he was thrown overboard into the icy Arctic Ocean after a German torpedo hit his ship as it headed for the Russian port of Murmansk."
    "But Congressional investigators with the House Veterans Affairs subcommittee on oversight and investigations found that Mr. Lawrence's name did not appear in the Coast Guard's records of merchant seamen. His name also did not appear in any official documents related to the 1945 voyage of the Horace Bushnell, including the ship's list of passengers."

    Another phony and democrat.

    ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. (AP) — Under federal investigation for embellishing his Army service in Vietnam, a groggy-sounding Mayor Robert Levy (D) called in sick at City Hall, climbed into his city-issued Dodge Durango and seemingly dropped off the face of the Earth.

    A spokesman issued a 36-word statement saying the mayor was going on indefinite medical leave. That was a week and a half ago. Aides say he is in a hospital, but they won't say where, why or for how long.

    The mystery and the gathering scandal over Levy's (D) military record have worried civic leaders in this seaside casino resort, which has a long history of corruption, with four of the last eight mayors busted on graft charges and one-third of last year's nine-member City Council in prison or under house arrest.

    "It's a national embarrassment," said City Councilman Bruce Ward, who asked a judge Friday to declare the mayor's seat officially vacant and clear the way for the council to name a replacement.

    "We have entertainment companies that are considering investing billions of dollars in Atlantic City. They need to know there is stability in Atlantic City. And we have 40,000 residents here who need to be protected."

    Last fall, The Press of Atlantic City investigated Levy's accounts of his wartime service and used military records to verify that Levy was a 20-year Army veteran with two Bronze Stars and two tours of duty in Vietnam. But the newspaper found he was not a member of the storied Green Berets, as he had claimed.

    Shortly afterward, Levy (D), former head of Atlantic City's lifeguards, admitted misrepresenting his record.

    Oh, he is also an arch criminal on the loose.

    And as far as being little: I'm 6' 205 and about 7% body fat. I'm also better looking than any of the fucking losers in here. If you want proof, I'll post a pic. Until then, bring something besides ad hominen bull shit.

    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 9:50 PM


    Great, a roid head. I never said your hero the jock sniffer loves Iran. His problem is he is just a two faced hypocrite hiding behind MSNBC's skirt. Funny how he never has guests with opposing opinions. I've never seen him in a forum where he has to defend his opinions in a debate either.

    You can save the picture; I think I already have an idea what you look like.

    http://www.karendecoster.com/blog/archives/steroids.bmp


    Intellect or profanity.....vote which you think Dick is best at.

    profanity.

    Dickey,

    Please come upstairs now, Honey. I hope you aren't down there touching yourself again.

    Dickey! Dickey!!!

    But mommy, I have to clean my gooey keyboard. No, get up here Dickie.

    Gang,

    Below is the link to the real me.

    http://www.photographersgallery.com/photo.asp?id=798

    11. Does anybody really care what Dickie boy/girl says other than the fact that he/she is a vile, profane person.

    Richard the Useful Idiot Infidel,

    4) Do you support Ronald Reagan even though he sold weapons to terrorists?

    Are you calling us terrorists?

    1) What was the nationality of the majority of terrorists who attacked us on 9/11?

    I don't care what nationality they were. The important thing is that they were Mohammadans.

    2) Why did they attack us?

    I don't give a fuck. Do you give a fuck why the Japanese attacked on Dec, 7, 1941?

    3) Do you believe in the Eighth Amendment?

    Which one is that? I like the 2nd Amendment better.

    4) Do you support Ronald Reagan even though he sold weapons to terrorists?

    Reagan fucked up on this one.

    5) Do you support George Bush even though he pulled forces away from a cornered OBL?

    It was a Democrat Army lawyer who stopped it. "Terrorists have rights, too, you know!"


    6) Do you support Bush even though there were no WMDs?

    Saddam was the WMD.

    7) Do you support Bush even though he has done away with habeas corpus?

    Who are these missing people who have been spirited away in the dead of night? Please give a a list.

    8) Do support Sean Hannity even though he is a pathological liar?

    I admit I lied when I said that most Democrats are patriots, too.


    9) Do you support Bush even though he is cutting taxes at a time of war and building up debt to China and Saudi Arabia?

    Even with Iraq, the military spending is a tiny portion of the federal budget. By the way, are you prejudiced against Ching and Saudi Arabia? You are just a hater.


    10) Do you support the republicans who attack veterans such as Murtha, Kerry, McCain, Cleland, and Wesley Clark?

    The aformentioned are all now traitors who want to lose in Iraq because they hate Bush more than the terrorists.

    Dickie has another little girlfriend named Markie. They must be snuggled up reading some Noam and servicing each other. He is also another poster that uses profanity in lieu of intellect.

    Richard,

    Stay away from those nasty Reich Wingers. I need you back here with me.

    I am so moved. I think I will go to the bathroom and take a Richard. Stank up the joint.

    Richard,

    Answer those questions.

    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 10:27 PM

    I answered your questions. I thought that's what you wanted. There is just no pleasing you moonbats, is there?

    Punks on here threaten and curse quite often. It shows a baser intellect and a frustration with their manhood. It is pitiful indeed. Surely they come here for that purpose only. Their arguments are empty recitations of some left wing playbook. Tired and weathered. Go up to mommy Dickie and take little Mark with you.

    Stop the cursing, it shows the depth of your true thoughts.

    Sean, thank you for answering so well.

    I thought about it but am a bit tired tonight and backed away.

    I know that I am a pain about this but, a la Rodney King, can't we just all get away from the profanities and obscenities. PLEASE!

    A strategic slice with a scalpel rather than bludgeoning with a sledgehammer is so much more effective.

    Granted, there are fewer opportunities and a scalpel slice is more difficult.

    I am confident, though, that the men here are up (no pun intended) to the challenge.

    Grammie

    The aformentioned are all now traitors who want to lose in Iraq because they hate Bush more than the terrorists.

    Posted by: Sean Hannity at October 6, 2007 10:46 PM


    You don't mean any of the answers you gave - you were just attempting to be clever. You are simply a fascist goon whose fetish/leader can do no wrong in your eyes, so answers to such questions are pointless. We'll be shed of you people before too long, but the damage you have done and may yet do will be immense.

    To All,

    Little Dickey is snug as a bug in bed now, jammies on(the kind with the feet sowed on). He was given his milk and cookies, and said his prayer to Jesus, too. My baby is sleeping like the baby he has been for about 25 years now.

    Thanks!

    It was a Democrat Army lawyer who stopped it. "Terrorists have rights, too, you know!"

    Hannity - this one and the real one - is a cunt

    Sir Loin,

    If I don't mean any of the answers I gave then how could you know what I think? If you don't know what I think how can you call me a fascist goon?

    Get off the LSD, man!

    Another profane laced post by SLOB. Must be a good buddy of Dickie and Mark. Keep up. The quality of the discussion is so enhanced by these simpleton foul mouths.

    That's my boy! Richard, that is. I am so very, very proud of him. Since they took me away to that terrible place he has chosen to join the family business and carry on. Moonbats forever!

    Richard,

    Pay attention, asshole. She has already said that she approves of my answers. Damn, you are stupid.

    "If I don't mean any of the answers I gave then how could you know what I think? If you don't know what I think how can you call me a fascist goon? "

    Oh, I don't know..a hunch?

    I love how these bleeding heart fascists endorse a savage war launched for nothing but profit and nationalist ecstacy, but quail when naughty language is used. What a bunch of timid chickenhawks.

    Your language simply exhibits your real intellect and thought processes. It belies any substance. SLOB and Rick are pitiful. That road they are on is strewn with fallen Liberals. More coming.

    The Younger: Hey, where's Dad?

    The Elder: You know, Dad's at it again.

    The Younger: Do you think that Dad has lost it?

    The Elder: Yup.

    The Younger: Does this happen to all old people?

    The Elder: I hope not.

    The Younger: I liked it better before when Dad would play catch with us and stuff.

    The Elder: I think those days are over, squirt. Dad's paranoid now. All he talks about are his conspiracy theories. You know, all of that Bush stuff.

    The Younger: Who is Bush, again?

    The Elder: He's the President or something.

    The Younger: Whatever.......


    It is muslims that desire to kill Americans. They do not care if they kill Liberals or conservatives, democrats or republicans. They made up 100% of all of the 9-11 attackers. 100% of all USS Cole attackers. 100% of 1993 WTC attackers. 100% of all African embassy attackers. 100% of the Lockerbie bombers......and on and on.

    I support whoever can kill the greatest number of these terrorists regardless of where they are, where they hide or who harbors them. They must be utterly destroyed. Vanquished. Ruined.

    That is not what you call a chickenhawk approach. It is a realistic approach. I did my time in the service and am proud of it.

    Patience and determination will destroy this very real enemy. They are THE most dangerous threat to the free world....make no mistake.

    Grammie,

    You have commented here longer than I. Is "Richard" one of the ghosts of the past here? $ needs to require registration. I think SLOB is about the only hate spewer who never changes monikers. Checking out for now.

    SLOB, you are begging the question with this:

    "I love how these bleeding heart fascists endorse a savage war launched for nothing but profit and nationalist ecstacy, but quail when naughty language is used. What a bunch of timid chickenhawks.
    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at October 6, 2007 11:43 PM "

    The real question is why do you and your ilk seem to so often NEED the OBSCENITIES and PROFANITIES to make your ARGUMENTS?

    I suggest that if your arguments need obscenities and profanities as crutches to hold them up than they are not worth the powder to blow them to hell.

    Grammie

    They were Muslims. They are desiring to kill you and me and all of us. This is the world threat. Shut down our stupid so-called friendship with the Saudis as a first step. They fund the murderers.

    This Saudi problem has infected all US administrations. It stinks. Gas would skyrocket and make us become self sufficient. It is a valid conservative poisition. Placating any of the Muslim countries is foolhardy.

    Nevertheless, it has been 100% Muslims who have inflicted their sick and perverted ways on us.

    If you just started coming here, Richard, then you should know that SLOB will educate you on the issue of Sunni-Shia relations, how there hasn't been several hundred years' rift; that is an overblown myth. The bombing of the Golden Mosque in February of 2006 that led to the sectarian violence was executed by either U.S. and/or British operatives because the war machine needed to keep going.

    It is a certain kind of Muslim....not all muslims.

    Sort of like you make sweeping comments about Repugs? How about giving Shankbear some slack.

    Sharon, I do have a bit of deja vue with Dickey but nothing that jumps out at me.

    So many of them come and go with the same memorability and impact of the expendable ensigns on Star Trek. :)

    Grammie

    This Richard is very clever for an Infidel.

    Bush never should have attacked me. Yes, it is true. The US should have gotten out of our countries, like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. They were supposed to belong to Saddam!

    This Richard knows the difference between Sunni and Shiite. What a clever Infidel he is, indeed. The Shiites are the bad Muslims. I had lots of fun with them. We are Sunni, destined to rule over all of Islam. Al Qaeda is Sunni as well, but they are not us. Iran is Shiite. Bush invaded the wrong country. He should have invaded Iran. I hate those people. It was so much fun killing about 2 million of them in our war 1980-1988. Remember when the Ayatollah Khoumeni surrendered to me, Saddam, saying "We have to bear the unbearable and endure the unindurable". When he said that one we had the biggest party. Uday and Qusay went so crazy then!
    Those were the good old days.

    I must go now Infidels, this guy with a pitchfork for a tail is calling me back to work.

    Allahu Akbar, Infidels.

    Just curious, Richard. Why did you start commenting on this site? The name of the site does not indicate the kind of discussion that generally takes place here. An examination of FAQ wouldn't indicate that either. I don't know how SLOB, Why and some others came to this site. I gave my reason; it was because Olbermann angered me over the manner in which he handled a certain situation.

    Sharon,

    Richard lied when he said:

    I started coming here yesterday

    Posted by: Richard at October 7, 2007 12:17 AM

    It has been three or four days.

    Me too Sharon. Olbermoan is a total empty headed tv guy. He was bad on espn and is worse on his little tv show on msnbc.
    The shareholders of nbc should be suing them because he is a big money loser with the salary they pay him and the impotent ratings he gets. His share is lower than Rachel Ray reruns.

    Sharon, when someone points out the obvious as you just did it is embarrassing to realize you didn't think of it yourself.

    We are deluged with the broad generalizations about Repuglicans, Reich Wingers, ChristoNazis etc from our countrymen.

    Yet these same people take great care to use a fine brush when talking about any opponents to us.

    Grammie

    Grammie,

    I made a mistake several months ago during one of the late night discussions. AAP was on board, RK, and me. Suddenly Bob commented in the place of AAP (I may have that backward, it may have been Bob and then AAP). It was so blasted obvious he screwed up with his moniker. I wish I had not ignored it. RK immediately picked up on it. AT the time, the discussion was mild and I politely ignored his unmasking of himself to try to add civility to the site (Had I known what would transpire!) AAP/Bob just blew off the situation because after all, it was only RK and who is he but Bovine; well you know the state of that "debate." A psychological study indeed, the increased obsession, anger vulgarity there.

    I question my own sanity for bothering with this site. If an endeavor doesn't lead to advancement of my soul, it should be abandoned. I find myself becoming too vindictive in thought and word. Curiosity brings me back (as well as some of the people) and before you know it, there I am typing again. We are living in a radical time and this was one way to share in it with others, sort of ham radio style I found fascinating. Stay healthy!

    Dick, I heard Rush live. The phoney soldiers attack is phoney, fake, false, fallacious and foul. He said exactly what he has explained at least a million tmes. Read the transcript. Don't do a KO and piss and moan about some 1:43 second time frame before he mentioned the Jessie puke's name. The background was laid by ABC earlier. This guy and many others have been found out. This is a NON-STORY. Get on with it.

    It has made Reid and Durbin and many other Liberal politicians and pundits look like assinine fools. They are the ones with egg on their faces and nothing to wipe it off with. They didn't even react until that fake group, MM, gave them their talking points. They parroted those points to a tee. Get over the fake story about real phoney soldiers.

    "I actually know plenty of nice muslims."

    And I'm sure Richard will tell you he knows some nice black people.

    I'm also sure Richard will tell you he knows some nice gay people.

    I bet Richard will even tell you that he has an Asian friend or two.

    This is the same Richard that wanted certain people to go kill themselves?

    WOW!

    Who knew?

    Sharon, I notice that you, Cecelia and I take breaks from this site periodically.

    Your post @ 12:50 AM says it for me and I wouldn't be surprised if it did for Cecelia too.

    I can not understand the incessant, vicious, obscene, profane personal animosity that is so prevalent for some of the posters.

    They seem to be joyless, humorless dried up old spinsters who worked on the docks and sailed the seven seas and are no longer welcome in polite society.

    I just refreshed before posting this and here @ 1:10 AM, in all sheit's finery and paint, is a larger than life size representative of what they have to offer to the world.

    Grammie

    Dick...keep going in the transcript. Don't cut it off. That is taking things out of context. The left has been great about that and they are falling flat on their faces and it is very funny. Fools making bigger fools of themselves is indeed a cool thing to see. The left has become the best entertainment out there.

    the 1:10 post has a bit of Richard smell on it. Same syntax, etc. Just a thought.

    About Olby "not letting" republicans on: Do you think that they honestly want to go on Olbermann's show? He's Ivy League eduacated, liberal and sort-of a dick. Cheney requests that all TVs in his hotels are set to FAUX...I'm really sure that they want to come on the show.

    I make $70,000 before taxes, and what do I keep? 66%...same as under Clinton. If you guys are worried that Dems will raise your taxes, then you guys have better things to do than be on this site...like counting your money.

    Posted by: Richard at October 7, 2007 1:01 AM

    Quite frankly there Little Dickey, I son't believe a single word you say. Post your past 10 years of returns and we can then determine your marginal and effective tax rate. Until then, all your bluster isn't worth a pot full of cold piss.

    Olby is Ivy League. That and 50 cents... The reason he does not have guests on is because his show is one large scripted shtick. If Olby had to do things extemporaneously you would probably get lines like....

    And John Kerry was fucking right about what he said. You don't "win hearts and minds" by going door to door in a war zone that WE created, kicking down doors and looking for fucking terrorists. YOU DUMB FUCKING LIARS AND DUMB FUCKS!
    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 7:55 PM

    Everything that I love, you hate. Since I love America, particularly The Constitution, then you must hate America. Get the fuck out of my country, you fucking traitor.
    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 9:19 PM

    We own you.
    Posted by: Richard at October 6, 2007 9:24 PM

    That’s some real profound comments there……… Little Dickey.


    This is a NON-STORY. The Libs, MM, KO and all that bit on this gambit have lost. They have lost ratings(KO), credibility(dems in Congress) and readership(papers) Fooled again. Lost to the dumb, stupid conservatives. Pitiful. Only the Libs puffed up and did thier little grandstand letter condemning RL. Not all of the democrats even signed it. No GOPs.

    there are no great candidates in the race this year. That is sad. Rudy and Mitt and McCain are RINOS. All of the others are second tier/third tier. Hunter is the best of the rest.

    All of the crats are bad. They would all make George McGovern blush with their far left Liberal ideas and plans.

    Perhaps this country is up crap creek without a paddle.

    Dick, you have joined MM and the Crats in the Senate as the biggest dupes in the world. Rush owned all of you. It was masterful. It was intentional and it worked perfectly. It separated the wheat from the chaff and you and that gang are indeed blowing in the wind. It is tough to be had isn't it?

    Take another Prozac whoever you are, No Buswipes thingy. Gonna blow a gasket there. Taxes suck.

    "About Olby "not letting" republicans on: Do you think that they honestly want to go on Olbermann's show? He's Ivy League eduacated, liberal and sort-of a dick. Cheney requests that all TVs in his hotels are set to FAUX...I'm really sure that they want to come on the show."

    Well then, why doesn't he go out and wipe the floor with Mr. Medvid? It seems Mr. Frankin didn't have any trouble debating Mr. Medvid.

    Mr. Medvid has challenged Olby and Olby has run and hid. AGAIN!

    "O'Reilly didn't once cover the Libby trial. Not once. Say what you will about it, but it was a HUGE story. He's spent almost every episode since his "There was nobody saying, 'Get me my iced tie M-Fer" moment talking about himself. Just say, "I'm sorry if I was misunderstood" explain what you were trying to say and move on."

    This always gets me.

    O'Reilly has been number one at Eight O'Clock for how long now? Most nights beating viewers of CNN, MSNBC, and Headline News together.

    But no! It's O'Reilly's show that has to change.

    You would think that these so-called 'Ivy League', 'educated', 'sort of a dick' (Birds of a feather?). personalities would be able to figure out with ease how to beat some guy from Long Island.

    But they can't can they?

    So they come up with lame excuses.

    Winners never have to make an excuse.

    Losers do!

    But they will tell you they know some nice Muslims.

    Hey, when I left a restaurant last night I held the door open so some Indian women could enter the place.

    Does that make me a nice person in some people's eyes?

    Do I F**king care?

    It's called being civil, and I don't have to broadcast it. I'm okay with who I am.

    It always get's me how some people always come on here to tell us. How much money they make. How educated they are. And how they are nice to SOME people.

    Like I've said many times.

    YES!

    THEY ARE!

    THAT STUPID!

    But what is really funny?

    They think you are too!

    Now back to the Phillies game!

    They call themselves PROGRESSIVES. What a sham. They will take off that fake mantle the second they are ever elected to the presidency and their true colours will show. Unfortunately, many Americans have become a bit lazy and think they are owed something. This entitlement mentality is further engendered by the left and even some of the gopers. Even Bush has done so. The long and overly expensive social experiment should have been paying more dividends by now. Nope. The entitlement mentality rules unfortunately.

    "Get back to JUCO, son.
    Posted by: Richard at October 7, 2007 1:44 AM"

    Does this from Dickey conjure up images of our visually challenged rodent? :)

    Just asking, mind you. No accusation.


    Grammie

    I'm pretty sure ten years ago I was a junior in high school.

    Posted by: Richard at October 7, 2007 1:30 AM

    Hold on a minute. You previously said......

    I make $70,000 before taxes, and what do I keep? 66%...same as under Clinton.

    There's no way you could have had an effective tax rate of 66%. You were in high school which meant that your income could not have been high enough to pay that rate.

    The marginal tax rate for a single filer in 1998 was 15% up to $23,500.

    In 1998, the federal tax rate on $70,000 was 31% for a single filer with bracket jumps at the following 24k - to 61k at 28% and 15 up to 25k.

    Current rates are as follow:

    10.0% $0 $7,825
    15.0% $7,825 $31,850
    25.0% $31,850 $77,100

    Do the math, there is no way you have either the same marginal or effective tax rate on $70,000. That also includes adjusting for inflation. Let me give you a little suggestion. Before you start pulling numbers out of your ass, do a little research. Everybody on this site knows you have no credibility; however you can still try to make an effort at being a liar.

    And Olbermoan's legacy will be what??? Failed at espn as a sports guy. Failed at a failing network after his rating fell below reruns of MTV Cribs.

    Go KO.. You're number 4, you're number 4.

    good night all.

    CALLER: I used to be military, okay, and I am a Republican.

    RUSH: Yeah.

    CALLER: And I do listen to you, but --

    RUSH: Right, I know. And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon.

    There he is questioning the caller's authenticity that he "used to be in the military." Phony soldier, in other words. (used to be soldier, used to walk on the moon).

    Richard,
    Why do you support Iran and Syria?
    They're Islamo-Fascist regimes.
    We should strangle them economically!
    Typical Pro-Iran Leftist!

    Then what does he mean by "Right, I know. And I, by the way, used to walk on the moon."

    I worked 40 hours a week in the summer, $12/hour. I made a little over $300/week. So yeah, go fuck yourself.
    Posted by: at October 7, 2007 2:01 AM


    Which meant that you made between 3K and 4k. I assume that your parent's claimed you as a exemption however you were still entitled to the standard deduction.

    Translation:

    1. Effective federal tax rate was around 5 - 7 %.

    2. You previous statement had no credibility and all your facts are anecdotal at best.

    3.) You are a liar.

    Real nice comeback by the way. How many years of college does it take to come up with .. So yeah, go fuck yourself.

    Richard is a supporter of Iran.
    He's a traitor!

    I make $70,000 before taxes, and what do I keep? 66%...same as under Clinton.

    I worked 40 hours a week in the summer, $12/hour. I made a little over $300/week. So yeah, go fuck yourself.
    Posted by: at October 7, 2007 2:01 AM

    Is that you Richard?

    Jump right in there Mr. Obscenity/Patsy! Are ya going to let that math go right by ya!

    Same with Limbaugh "used to walk on the moon."

    Hahahahah

    Defend it now. Nite

    Sharon,
    Richard like Olbermann is a supporter of the Iranian Regime!

    At least he knows it is a Shiite regime. Maybe he is patsy's offspring, being so smart and college educated and all.

    US Army, Marines say they made recruiting goals
    Thu Oct 4, 2007 5:58pm EDT

    http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSN04303232

    Real soldiers or phonies?

    *I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you are only STUPID.
    So you agree with Bovine that AAP/"Bob" are the same poster, according to Bovine?

    Because I had a little one awake, I am here again and wondering, who said the above?

    Oh, that's right. Of course, it's:

    Are you STUPID, Sharon? Or just in a moment of Bovinesss?

    Nice to meet you AYS,OJUAMOB? Friends with WDYT?

    But wait a minute, why would you respond to a comment about AAP and Bob?

    Where is the list, Bovine!

    I gotta stop this . . .

    Your "stupid, I mean (insert name here) rants are tired and as dumb as your viewpoints. Love having you on the whacko side though! LOSER!

    I am positive that Sharon and Grammie jut can't believe that there is more than one person with the same idiotic and misguided opinion. Its confusing to us all!

    > O'Reilly sometimes has nothing but wall-to-wall tabloid shit.

    It's off topic of course, which is the stock in trade of Olbypologists, to divert and distract. But hey Richard, if you claim to tell the truth, O'Reilly has summaries of his shows, with each segment detailed, on his website. Why don't you point to, say, four or five that were "nothing but wall to wall tabloid"?

    > he doesn't cover straight news as much as tabloid entertainment.

    I suppose you'd be able to prove this as well from those archives. It should be easy because we know Richard wouldn't lie about anything like this, would he?

    > claimed to know some posters come directly from Seacaucus. What does that mean

    I imagine that if someone claimed that, what it would mean is that some (not all) posters (i.e. people who post comments) come (emenate) directly (without side trips or stops) from Seacaucus (that's a city; it's in New Jersey, it's that nice state right next to New York, which is also a state).

    Have I explained the meaning of that sentence to your satisfaction? Anytime you find the English language too burdensome or complex to decipher, just let us know. We'll be happy to explain it to you at whatever grade level you have attained.

    Is Springsteen newsworthy? Oh yeah, cBS is simply a part of the lefts' slime machine and they want to put the newest mouthpiece on. What a shame.

    The Boss was the best of the 80s without a doubt.

    Neither. These bozos like Mellancamp and The Boss think that they are relevent because they have the stage. He is a musician. No more. No less. Play your tunes Bruce and do what you really know and stay out of what you have no clue about.

    You pukes attack the messenger and demonstrate your obvious inadequacies. You demonstrated that by attacking me. Get a life.

    60 Minutes is nothing but a slime merchant.

    More Republican trolling in public restrooms:


    Louisiana - Republican Councilman Joey DiFatta, who on Thursday withdrew from his Senate campaign, has been stopped twice since 1996 for suspicion of engaging in lewd behavior in public restrooms in Jefferson Parish, reports The Times-Picayune.


    Jefferson Parish deputies working an undercover detail in a men's bathroom at Dillard's at Lakeside Shopping Center in March 2000 stopped DiFatta after he indicated a desire to engage in sex with an undercover deputy in an adjoining bathroom stall, according to an interoffice memorandum written by Sgt. Keith Conley, one of the deputies involved in the investigation. The report said DiFatta slid his foot into the deputy's stall and tapped the deputy's foot. In the report, Conley noted that such activity is common among men to indicate a willingness to participate in sex.

    The deputy inside the stall, Detective Wayne Couvillion, responded by tapping his foot, and DiFatta reached under the partition and began to rub the deputy's leg, the report states.
    The detective asked DiFatta, "What do you want?" according to the report, and he replied, "I want to play with you."

    Let's see who Olby slimes tonight while bloviating on SNF. That just gives Cris another reason to slam him.

    eleven Jersey politicians arrested...All Democrats
    http://www.nowpublic.com/breaking-11-new-jersey-politicians-arrested

    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/sep/10/state-judiciary-committee-chairman-arrested-dui-ov/

    DUI arrest...Democrat

    Posted by: 3M TA3 at October 7, 2007 9:43 PM


    Cheney alone has two of these on his record. The public Republican homo stuff alone outnumbers your examples two or three-fold. Sorry, but all Republicans are either criminals, serial adulterers, or conflicted, self-hating homosexuals. Every last one.

    here ya go, Groin... a cut-n-paste just for you:

    Nick Mavroules, Massachusetts Democrat: tax evasion, accepting illegal gratuity.
    Albert Bustamante, Texas Democrat: racketeering.
    Carroll Hubbard, Kentucky Democrat: fraud and corruption.
    Carl Perkins, Kentucky Democrat: fraud.
    Charlie Rose, North Carolina Democrat: financial-disclosure irregularities.
    Larry Smith, Florida Democrat: tax evasion.
    Walter Fauntroy, District of Columbia Democrat: financial-disclosure misdemeanor.
    Gerald Kleczka, Wisconsin Democrat: arrested for DWI.
    Mel Reynolds, Illinois Democrat: sexual misconduct.
    Walter Tucker, California Democrat: extortion.
    Charles Wilson, Texas Democrat: paid $90,000 fine to Federal Election Commission.
    Joe Kolter, Pennsylvania Democrat: fraud and conspiracy.
    Dan Rostenkowski, Illinois Democrat: mail fraud.
    Mary Rose Oakar, Ohio Democrat: financial-disclosure irregularities.
    Austin J. Murphy, Pennsylvania Democrat: vote fraud.

    Dem arrested for harboring illegals...

    http://www.wafb.com/Global/story.asp?S=7134415

    "Sorry, but all Republicans are either criminals, serial adulterers, or conflicted, self-hating homosexuals. Every last one."
    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at October 7, 2007 10:01 PM

    lol

    "Sorry, but all Republicans are either criminals, serial adulterers, or conflicted, self-hating homosexuals. Every last one."
    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at October 7, 2007 10:01 PM

    This statement is why SLOB is very similar to a Nazi storm trooper. His small primate brain forces him to think anyone who disagrees with his warp view of the world is evil and needs to be destroyed. A different opinion makes SLOB confused and angry. Keep marching to the orders of your modern day Josef Goebbels storm trooper SLOB. Conservatives are EEEVIILLL because Olbermann tells me so.

    On September 29th, 12 year old Graeme Frost of Maryland got to do the Democrats’ radio address, in which he told his story of how he and his sister were seriously injured in a car accident, and if it hadn’t been for SCHIP, they wouldn’t be here today.

    More lies by Democrats.

    "First, Mr. Halsey Frost, Graeme’s father, owns his own woodworking design studio, Frostworks, so his claim that he can’t get health insurance through work is shockingly deceptive. He chooses not to get health care for his family. Second, Graeme and his sister Gemma attend the very exclusive Park School, which has a tuition of $20,000 a year, per child. Third, they live in a 3,000+ square foot home in a neighborhood with smaller homes that are selling for at least $400,000. "

    Factor is gay, and hiding it from his wife and family. The illicit sex he scrounges in seedy restrooms endangers his life, but he doesn't care.

    Sir Loin of Beef sucks me off every night.

    Posted by: 3M TA3 at October 8, 2007 6:21 AM

    not me... nice name-jack SLOB

    Another key endorsement for Hillary

    "I hope Hillary is elected in order to have the occasion to carry out all the promises she is giving regarding Iraq," stated Ala Senakreh, West Bank chief of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terrorist group.

    Why do you Stink, you are still beating that Bruce Springsteen drum. Get a life. No one cares what some old sell out thinks about politics. Just because a bunch of old hippies buy is "records" does not make him the voice of America. He doesn't market his music to any demographic? Your kidding right? You can't be that stuppid. Why do think he went on 60 mins. Do you actually think anyone under 40 knows who Bruce Springsteen is? Grow up.

    I saw Springsteen in September of 1984, and he put on a tremendous show. He supported the steel workers (my dad) in some fashion, gave a big donation or something. I thought he was "the Boss" at the time. Naive me.

    You are right that he can live how he wants. But he shouldn't preach about all the wrongs of the world when he could fund the Wounded Warrior Project by the proceeds of one of his concert tours.
    Posted by: Sharon at October 6, 2007 5:12 PM

    http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Zed2LiP69aYJ:www.veteransforamerica.org/print.cfm%3Fpage%3Dprint%26ID%3D8357+springsteen+avoided+vietnam&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a

    "In understanding Muller's story, [behind Born in the USA] it is essential to know that Springsteen himself once seemed destined for Vietnam. The son of a World War II veteran, Springsteen received his induction notice. It has been variously reported that Springsteen avoided service because he had a brain concussion or an ankle injury from a motorcycle accident, or that he pretended to be crazy. In an interview nearly 20 years ago with Rolling Stone magazine, he recalled getting on a bus to take his physical, and 'I thought one thing: `I ain't going.' '

    In that interview, Springsteen said that the drummer in his high school band in Freehold, N.J., had gone to Vietnam, and 'he never came back. And the guys that did come back were not the same.'"

    Springsteen didn't want to go because he was scared. What kid wasn't? It was not ideological for him; it was cowardice. I was a big fan of his when I saw his concert. I read that he claimed to be homosexual, anything to get out of going. I remember being afraid of the war as a little kid. When I got older and heard that comment, I never pondered his decision to get out of the draft. He took the poor man's way out.

    He will never support any war. I appreciate the fact of using peaceful measures to avoid war at all costs. I understand the argument against Bush. I don't buy Sprinsgteen's argument about war.

    Many people under 40 don't know who Mozart is either..so your point is ?

    Posted by: Why don't I think at October 8, 2007 12:11 PM

    Now you are comparing Bruce Springsteen to Mozart? You really are dumb. Isn't there a Springsteen blog you can go to and share you stupidity?

    You never hear Sharon criticizing Bush about how he has failed our troops with over extending them,

    I have said several times that the troops can't keep up with these multiple tours. These guys will keep on doing what they do, even when they shouldn't. I got into a discussion with Rico the other night as to why I believe the draft will be come back if there is another ground war. Your other statements are just the usual from you.

    Why do you care brags about Springsteen's selling out in record time periods... That is OLD news. Does he know that Hannah Montana's shows have been breaking his records nationwide latley. Outside of NYC and Jersey Springsteen's aura has rubbed off... he just had a NON-SELL OUT concert recently in my neighborhood.

    Perhaps Hannah Montana's political opinions should carry more weight then if you are using that criteria.

    I don't think Springsteen is a horrible guy. He could choose to do nothing charitable with his money. He does try to give people their money's worth in his shows. Does that mean we should hold him in the same esteem as Gandhi? How many average Joe's give their all every day for their families and still somehow find the time to act as soccer coach, volunteer in the community, etc. Springsteen does not seek the glory, to his credit. But I won't glorify him. Or Bush for that matter.

    "In understanding Muller's story, [behind Born in the USA] it is essential to know that Springsteen himself once seemed destined for Vietnam. The son of a World War II veteran, Springsteen received his induction notice. It has been variously reported that Springsteen avoided service because he had a brain concussion or an ankle injury from a motorcycle accident, or that he pretended to be crazy. In an interview nearly 20 years ago with Rolling Stone magazine, he recalled getting on a bus to take his physical, and 'I thought one thing: `I ain't going.' '

    "why" won't make a peep about this. If he was an (R), the cut and pastes would be a flyin!

    The Vietnam War was worth running away from.
    If more people had the courage to do that. we wouldn't have 58,000 war dead in war that accomplished NOTHING.


    Funny how Rk,,..who calls real ( democratic )war heroes"cowards" pipes in on this subject.

    Hypocrisy in its finest !

    Posted by: Why don't you think at October 8, 2007 1:20 PM


    Can't wait for you to cry "draft dodger" or something childish like that about Bush or any other (R).. I'll shove your apologising for bruce post straight up your ass!

    Well this is a first for me. Running from fighting takes courage, while fighting brands one a coward.

    Well thank God there were millions of "cowards" that fought for our freedom in WWII. Jesus, and to think all my father had to do to show "courage" was to dodge the draft, and then he wouldn't have had to be a part of D-Day and liberate a Jewish death camp.

    He was 32 too when he joined up, and this "stupid cowardly" man still had to be such a coward by fighting. Damn, I'll have to throw out all the pictures he took too of the death camps, as they were only figments of his imagination anyway.

    Sorry, "Why don't you think" I was 18 when the Vietnam War was going strong, and I experienced all these "draft dodging hero's", and believe me they did NOT show any courage during this time.

    Most of them were acquaitences of mine in high school, and their main and ONLY concern about the war was that they didn't want to die.

    Not that the war was "wrong" or "corrupt," but that they didn't see the need to fight for their country. NO NEED. They were spoiled from what their fathers did for them, and could never fill their footsteps.

    I waited for the lottery, and my number was high so I wasn't drafted, but to this day I have to live with the infamy that I didn't still sign up anyway.

    I am the coward for NOT signing up, and have regretted it to this day. The Vietnam War was not the only war where people claimed it was a "wrong" war as WWII brought these same type of people, and while millions of Jews were being slaughtered by the Germans, and hundreds of thousands of innocent people all in Europe were being killed our "peaceful" president FDR did nothing until we were bombed.

    What is a "right" or "wrong" war anyway? Well, sadly it seems that no matter what the war nowadays, it will always be a wrong war.

    We are never going to have a war again like Desert Storm where "only" about 110 soldiers died. Hell, in one battle to keep our country united (Gettysburg) we lost more men than the entire Viet Nam war, so to ever say that when one "runs" from a war it is to say it takes courage.

    This kind of "courage" caused the deaths of millions in WWII, and let's hope it doesn't happen again. Ever...

    Good comment, Imagine. I appreciate your honesty.

    The kids these days DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK about Springstein.

    The rapid sales figures for Miley Cyrus (aka Hannah Montana) tickets put the Passaic pusswad to shame. Get a life you worthless fuck.

    Okay, he's not from Passaic, but just couldn't make a decent alliteration from "Long Branch". It was late, big deal.

    "Why don't you think" is no different than his buddy "O'lielly". Or is that you, O'lielly?

    "Sorry, "Why don't you think" I was 18 when the Vietnam War was going strong, and I experienced all these "draft dodging hero's", and believe me they did NOT show any courage during this time. "

    Yeah, and they're all in theBush administration!

    Imagine, you are a coward. You claim to now support the Vietnam war - or possibly all war for any reason, if I read you right, and yet you sat back and let others do the dying. Now you claim that the dead in Iraq are no big deal because more soldiers died at Ghettysburg.

    That's the spirit! puff up your nationalist pride on the bloated bodies of other people's kids!

    "Good Morning SLOB. I had a great weekend. We drove up on the Blue Ridge Parkway and spent a couple of nights up at Blowing Rock."


    ...an aptly named retreat for you conflicted Republican men, Laura.

    Regards to Sir Loin, obviously you read me way wrong, as it wasn't that I NOW support the Viet Nam war, but that I supported my country's decision in doing what they thought best for our country.

    I will always support our country no matter what party is running it, and to what war it decides to get into.

    Am I a blind loyalist? Probably, but I can assure you that for over 230 years this country deserves the untmost loyalty it has shown to its people.

    yes, you read my comment wrong, as at that time I wasn't into politics at all, but I sure knew that protesting against the war was not doing our soldiers or country any good, and especially when I knew first hand that almost all of the protesters were only protesting because they hadn't the courage to face their fate if they were called to go over.

    I admitted I felt like a coward because I didn't sign up, and said so in my last posting, but at the same time was replying to your overly obnoxious statement that the draft dodgers showed "courage" by not fighting.

    Am I truly a coward though? I'm not sure to this day, as I have been shot at on the streets, and had probably more fights in one week than most people would have in their lifetimes, but my whole life story could never be told in small fragments.

    You'd have to read my book "Hey! Ho! It's the White Negro!" to find out what exactly went through my mind at that time, but for sure I would never demean our fighting men, and all I was saying is that ANY man who fights for our country are the ones who show courage, and NOT the ones that run away from it.

    My reply to your statement, by no means said that I "let others fight for me," but that when they do that we all as Americans must support these men, and to do otherwise makes you not a patriot at all.

    I supported the draft then, and was prepared to go, but in not getting drafted I balked at signing up, and if this makes me a coward then so be it, and like I said I will sadly have to live with that decision everyday of my life.

    But, on the other hand I never hid behind some disingenuous feelings of protesting a war at the risk of American lives because I didn't think America was worth fighting for.

    And, if I am the coward you say, then you are agreeing that all those who didn't fight were cowards, then what about the ones who ran when their number was called?

    By this statement you made (if you are of age to fight) then you have admitted to yourself that you also are a coward as you haven't signed up either.

    I mean you can't have it both ways.

    If you can really look at yourself in the mirror and feel that you have courage because you haven't joined up then you must look deeper into it.

    People who are for this war, and all wars that America engages in cannot be called cowards, as a lot of them may be too old to even join up. They are called patriots.

    To back ones country during any form of war cannot possibly be construed as a cowardly act.

    You know that, and you should be ashamed that you are trying to even pass that off as patriotism.

    Sad man, really sad...

    Coward: "One who is easily frightened or RUNS from danger...."

    There it is Imagine, so don't feel so bad as from your blogs it doesn't seem that you ran or were frightened. Definitely not a coward, but what those draft dodgers did and what Springstein said?

    They should step up and collect their fucking "medal of yellow honors."

    Imagine,

    Don't count on SLOB to see you as a human being. He considers himself a deity. Thank you for sharing your insights.

    "And, if I am the coward you say, then you are agreeing that all those who didn't fight were cowards, then what about the ones who ran when their number was called? "

    If you support a conflict yet fail to serve in it that strikes me as cowardice. Since you feel any war that any piratical administration might get us into is intrinsically a good thing for our country, it seems to me that you should get your ass out and fight in one or two.

    Draft dodging in many cases was self-interested cowardice - people waited until their cards came before they altered their behavior in any way, or spoke out at all against the waste of lives and treasure. To recieve a draft card, refuse service, but stand and face the consequences (jail or alternate service) would be the principled and more effective route.

    But today we don't have a draft - as war boosters continually crow, we have a volunteer army. That being the case, it would seem to be incumbent upon people like Phari-cee (who is of age and purports to be a physician - badly needed by the wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan, and who sports a stiffy for this stupid-ass war) to step up and support their own political franchise, which is responsible for the conflict. But Phari-cee has "other priorities", and I guess you did too when it was your turn.

    The operative term here is "chickenhawk" - a war suppoter who shirks service.

    ...and I hope to God your moniker is not in referrence to the Lennon song - that would be in very poor taste.

    "....as it wasn't that I NOW support the Viet Nam war, but that I supported my country's decision in doing what they thought best for our country."


    This is what I was talking about - you supported "your country" going to war at the time, but clearly saw it as "their" responsibility. Who are "They", Imagine? Wouldn't that include "you"?

    http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:Zed2LiP69aYJ:www.veteransforamerica.org/print.cfm%3Fpage%3Dprint%26ID%3D8357+springsteen+avoided+vietnam&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a

    "In understanding Muller's story, [behind Born in the USA] it is essential to know that Springsteen himself once seemed destined for Vietnam. The son of a World War II veteran, Springsteen received his induction notice. It has been variously reported that Springsteen avoided service because he had a brain concussion or an ankle injury from a motorcycle accident, or that he pretended to be crazy. In an interview nearly 20 years ago with Rolling Stone magazine, he recalled getting on a bus to take his physical, and 'I thought one thing: `I ain't going.' '

    In that interview, Springsteen said that the drummer in his high school band in Freehold, N.J., had gone to Vietnam, and 'he never came back. And the guys that did come back were not the same.'"

    I'm so glad Bruce didn't serve....If he did, we probably would have never had the great music from this man....not to mention the best music shows I've ever seen....or anyone else.

    The Vietnam War was worth running away from.
    If more people had the courage to do that. we wouldn't have 58,000 war dead in war that accomplished NOTHING.

    Funny how Rk,,..who calls real ( democratic )war heroes"cowards" pipes in on this subject.

    Hypocrisy in its finest !
    Posted by: Why don't you think at October 8, 2007 1:20 PM

    That is how Imagine became involved in the discussion began. He apologized for his lack of courage to volunteer. He was honest.

    The operative term here is "chickenhawk" - a war suppoter who shirks service.

    Read the milblogs. They don't feel that way.

    US Army, Marines say they made recruiting goals.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/featuredCrisis/idUSN04303232

    I bet when family and friends give them their send off, the enlistees beat the crap out of anyone of proper age who failed to enlist.

    I support the soldiers. It is my opinion they want to win. If I felt that most of them wanted to leave immediately as things stand, I would support that. It is my opinion that they don't hate Cee for not enlisting.

    This is my last post on this matter. To both Sharon and Sir Loin:

    I never said I was afraid of going to war, and somehow this got lost with all my posts, but what I said is that as an 18 year old I had no plans in my life at all.

    I was a tumbleweed in life with no direction and no goals. Sad to say at that time, but I was oblivious to what was going on in Viet Nam (like 95% of my peers), but I knew from the start that any of these protesters were only protesting because they were afraid to fight for our country.

    When I say I feel I was a coward for not joining it was simply because I was not responsible in anything I did in those years, and feel I should have been.

    But, to me being irresponsible is not the definition of a coward, and certainly in regards to running away after being drafted is a lot more than irresponsibility.

    Especially when I was being told over and over again by individuals that IF they were drafted they would not go because they would not fight for their country.

    Not knowing if the war was right or wrong never entered my mind (or their minds either), but knowing that if my country called for me it was my duty as an American citizen to comply.

    That was the essence of what I was saying, and any feeling of being a coward because I didn't enlist have all been from me, as everybody I spoke to (friends and relatives who were drafted and served) knew me well enough to know I was not running from anything.

    Their reassurances however did nothing to soothe my soul, because to me I wish I was more responsible and did join.

    This is my own private nightmare that I alone have had to face since those days, but one in which I at least have the comfort of knowing I was proud of my country and certainly not afraid to fight for it.

    And, Sir Loin I never saw it as "their" responsibility, but saw it more as something that they (the government, president, etc.) decided they should do.

    That with the draft, which was part of the administrations undertaking at the time, that they had things under control, and didn't need me to enlist.

    Again, even with all this I still wish I was more in tune with what my country had done for me since the day I was born, and the reason why I feel personally that I was a coward for not just enlisting.

    To a man all my friends and relatives knew I was never afraid of fighting or losing my life, as I said right up until the lottery that I was going over if drafted.

    Yet, at the same time I also heard a "million" responses like Springstein, that they would never fight if drafted because they were either afraid or didn't feel the U.S. was worth fighting for.

    Like I said with my first post about all this, that to brand somebody with courage because they dodged the draft was ludicrous, as I knew these same people, and believe me they were not hailed as heroes when they came back home from wherever they ran to.

    Simply put, that when we were faced (when I say "we" I mean the generation at that time) with the decision of going to fight for our country that some of us ran when we got the call, and others did not.

    The ones that ran were afraid and did NOT show any courage, while the others did show the courage and went.

    I, on the other hand, were part of the generation who didn't get called, and there were many of us, but I could see the danger to our men who were fighting by protesting the war.

    Massive demonstrations across the country did nothing for the men who were fighting, and the after effects of these demonstrations were seen in how the administration reacted to them.

    Withdrawals that caused untold deaths to our troops, because they didn't have the amount of men they needed to get the job done.

    "Pulling our punches" as Macnamara said brought on even more American deaths, and it was all because of the massive demonstrations going on at home.

    Breaking down our troops moral is all these demonstrations did, and thankfully I was never invloved in that.

    It was one thing at that time not to enlist, but at the same time a whole other thing to be a part of massive protests to demean our troops and help to demoralize them.

    These protesters, as I knew the ones from my hometown who did, seemed to never face the fact that they weren't man enough to fight for their country, so in turn in trying to hide their shame went the opposite route by condenming those who did have the courage.

    This was obvious in how they treated our men when they came home from the war by spitting and cursing at them.

    It went from scared American young men, who had the guts not to run from their duties as U.S. citizens, to these same men being labled as "baby killers."

    No the "imagine" moniker comes from my thoughts that can you imagine if we didn't have so many people in this country against it. What it would be like if these same people actually remembered what their fathers and grandfathers did for them, and to how wonderful this country is.

    That these same fathers never thought about themselves, but put others and their country first before them.

    The only thing I hope after this next election that no matter who is elected that we all as a country stand behind any decision they make, and especially so if it comes to any war that may ensue.

    All this devisiveness does not a strong country make.

    Wow. What qa load of self-serving personal revisionism ("But, to me being irresponsible is not the definition of a coward, and certainly in regards to running away after being drafted is a lot more than irresponsibility.") and anecdotal mass-media right wing talking points ( "This was obvious in how they treated our men when they came home from the war by spitting and cursing at them.").

    I hope you can find some way to look yourself in the mirror again.