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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    October 9, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - October 9th, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • LEAK AND DESTORY: Dana Milbank, Washington Post National Political Reporter
    • THE WAR ON COUNTERTERROR: Evan Kohlmann, MSNBC Terrorism Analyst, former frequent FNC guest
    • MINDING THE GOP: Chris Matthews, Host of Hardball
    • SPYING ON US: Bruce Fein, Pres. Reagan's Dep. Assoc. Attorney General
    • Fresh from seeing his beloved Yankees lose (how sweet that was), Keith Oralmann prated through his opening spiel about another nexus of something. Clip of Press Secretary Dana Perinno. Democrats might vote to "hand over more of the constitution to the Whtie House." FISA vote. Project Rudy continues with an all important story about Rudy Giuliani booed at the Yankees game (must have made up for that loss, eh Keith?). Princess Diana again and outsourced Larry Craig puppet theater.

      MADMAN

      #5: No reason to have any doubts wondering whether or not the administration is more concerned with headlines to look good on Fox News Channel [Ding!] rather than fighting terrorists. Administration "compromised a back door channel into islamic websites to look like a bunch of hitmen on the Fox News Channel." Blah blah blah about SITE and Konspiracy Theory about obscene concern for good PR by Mister Bush. Fox News, Fox News, Fox! Fox! Fox! [Ding!] [Ding!] [Ding!] [Ding!] [Ding!]. Olbersturmfuhrer and his lackeys use excellent editing and nice manipulation to make Ms. Perrino like a liar at worst and clueless at best. Nice. Clips of Ms. Perrino. Too bad she's not a "personal friend" like Tony Snow. Welcome Dana Milbank, sans fancy habiliments. He sympathizes with Hauptmann over the tragic loss of the Yankees. Keithy is grateful. Another example of "incompetence" opines Milby. Frances Townsend snarky attack: she appears on television everywhere all the time. Karl Rove comparison vis a vis lying. Yep. White House trying to pin something bad on the intelligence community - Fat Ass. George Tenet took the fall for the administration - Milby. Always looking for a great thanks and great pleasuring, Milbank dug deep for a konspiracy theory that every OlbyLoon would eat up - including the man himself. Milbank postulated that perhaps Fox News received the Usama Bin Laden tape because Olbermann had "just beaten" O'Reilly "in the ratings." Ratings, you say? You mean those Live + Same Day DVR numbers that no one uses? Or was that the time that Olbermann "beat" O'Reilly in the key, coveted all important 15 minute window at the beginning of the show? Which time was that? White House + Fox + O'Reilly = Konspiracy Theorist's dream.

      Bring in someone who actually knows what they are talking about to pick up the slack for Monkey Mann. Evan Kohlmann, who was a frequent guest on Fox News until being picked up by MSNBC, rides in to fill in all the gaps in House Boy's knowledge regarding, well, anything. More attempts at trying to pin the closure of Islamic websites on the Bush administration and Fox News. Clearly, to Adam's Apple, Bush and his minions are out to destroy any ability to collect intelligence and my inference from that is that they want to bring about a terrorist attack. Jabba finishes the interview with a cute question about whether or not this really proves once and for all that the administration is really interested in headlines rather than fighting terror. Kohlmann doesn't take the bait, he just says we should be more careful when it comes to matters like this. Great Thanks.

      #4: A "milestone" in the 2008 campaign, Rudy Giuliani "roundly" booed at the Yankees game. Giuliani was more concerned with Yankees games spending more time there than Ground Zero - Keith. He was "briefly yet lustily" booed. St. Rudy project as usual. Fred Thompson got three hours of softball questions on "Fox News" [Ding!]. Oralmann makes a pathetic attempt at making Fmr. Sen. Fred Thompson look bad by cherry picking a clip of him saying a number of things are "on the line" but that the "economy is fine." He said the economy is fine but subsequently said that it's on the line. Of course, no context is given on OlbyPlanet to any Republican. They are always dumb. Need further proof? Quote Olby's secret crush Pres. Nixon calling Fred Thompson "dumb" and a finishing touch by der Fuhrer that Sen. Thompson was a "toadie." Of course, what makes him a secret crush is that his out in the open crush, disbarred convicted felon John Dean was Nixon's White House Counsel. Guess where and when the felon got all of his notoriety and knowledge? Nixon White House! How has he put that to use? Bashing "neo cons" and other Republicans! Bring in fair and balanced Chris Matthews. HA! Chris Matthews stunningly smacks down Oralmann. Seriously. SERIOUSLY.

      By the way, you gotta be careful about Rudy. You know, Richard Nixon was at the opening of Candlestick in '61 in San Francisco and he watched this horatious booing of the Governor, Pat Brown. I mean, people just destroyed him that night. And ah, Nixon said, "God I can beat that guy," and he ran against him and got killed. So ah, I don't know.

      Oralmann doesn't have anything to say to that except that New Yorkers may not like him because "We know what you are doing with 9/11 and we find it a little obscene that you are riding an entire campaign based on this."

      Chris Matthews, shocked, replies, "You mean New Yorkers not liking someone for overdoing something?" HA! HA! HA! HA! Matthews goes on to explain what New York epitomizes over doing things. Olby, getting peeved, moves on quickly to Rudy's claim that 23 plots have been foiled. He notes that NOT EVEN THE WHITE HOUSE has claimed 23 plots. Matthews continues to beat on Olby until he, Olby, sputters and stalls. Great thanks (surprising).

      Sen. Obama's wife in a car accident.

      MADMAN

      Oddball: Keith makes a bad Australian accent; kangaroo on a race track. People dressed up as animals. Another bad accent. English - uh, I think.

      Best Person in the World: Fred Barnes, Giant Eagle Cashier, Jamie Howard

      #3: Threat turned out to be "crap" against the Capitol. Beat up on the updates to the FISA law. Bring in Republican that disagrees with Bush, thus worthy of being on OlbyPlanet - Bruce Fein. Mr. Fein speaks for a while with Hauptmann remaining surprisingly quiet. Nothing really of note here. On to the next story.

      #2: Princess Diana inquest.

      Keeping Tabs: Der Fuhrer, given his love of Nazism, can't pronounce the German word "Valkyrie" correctly and instead says "Val-keere-ee." Eventually he gets it right after the producer probably corrects him. Nick Nolte has a child.

      #1: Larry Craig puppet theater.

      In the Media Matters minute, here is a CLEAR example of Oralmann and his lackey's getting material from Blue Blogs. In a story ran in The Hill on October 6th, not until the October 9th show of Der Sturmer did a WPITW nomination appear for Robert Novak as the story was regurgitated on the Talking Points Memo, a website for lefties. Enough said. Runner up, "Comedian" Rush Limbaugh vis a vis ThinkProgress. Shocking. Winner? You guessed it, "Bill-O!" Thanks, DailyKos!, you're always there when I need you. Cue head shakes, calm voice, quiet declaration.

      NAME

      Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's came in at a stellar #13,538 on amazon.com, but "Culture Warrior" is #710. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) The OlbyTome still can't find a rank at Barnes and Noble; O'Reilly's book is #745 there, and is one of the top five books of 2006 per Publishers Weekly. Monday's Hour of Spin put Olby back in fourth place, but Herr Olbermann was not in and instead Robin took over. Source. Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 1 [LOW]


      Posted by Edward Schatz | Permalink | Comments (234) | | View blog reactions

      234 Comments

      I am surprised that you didn't point out Milbank's sly assertion that the important event that occurred around the time of the opportunity to "help" Fox Noise was just about when he beat O'Reilly in the ratings.

      I meant to include that. I'll add it.

      See loons- its really all about KeithO on OlbyloonPlanet. Bush is trying to derail a thrid place parisan hack? Cmon!


      Bets part of last nights comedy show- This loser Keith was smacked down by Matthews pretty good. Google the video. Every theory KeithO tossed out, chrissy smirked or grimaced before responding. Only the loons revere Keith. The rest of the thinking planet, left and right, think he is unhinged.

      Krazy Keith claims that Rudy got booed
      But the fans would come really unglued
      If they flashed Olby's face
      Jumbotronic distaste
      Given Keith's bad effect on one's mood

      New York baseball season is over
      They don't like to play in October
      The Mets badly choked
      Steinbrenner got stroked
      Both New York teams pulled an "Olber"

      Nice summary...Loved the WPITW...Very Charlie Kane like.

      Oh dear, Sir Loin of Milquetoast....Have you been bothering The Speaker at home?.....

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/09/AR2007100902006.html

      House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was in a determinedly good mood when she sat down to lunch with reporters yesterday. She entered the room beaming and, over the course of an hour, smiled no fewer than 31 times and got off at least 23 laughs.

      But her spirits soured instantly when somebody asked about the anger of the Democratic "base" over her failure to end the war in Iraq.

      "Look," she said, the chicken breast on her plate untouched. "I had, for five months, people sitting outside my home, going into my garden in San Francisco, angering neighbors, hanging their clothes from trees, building all kinds of things -- Buddhas? I don't know what they were -- couches, sofas, chairs, permanent living facilities on my front sidewalk."

      Unsmilingly, she continued: "If they were poor and they were sleeping on my sidewalk, they would be arrested for loitering, but because they have 'Impeach Bush' across their chest, it's the First Amendment."

      We have to make responsible decisions in the Congress that are not driven by the dissatisfaction of anybody who wants the war to end tomorrow," Pelosi told the gathering at the Sofitel, arranged by the Christian Science Monitor. Though crediting activists for their "passion," Pelosi called it "a waste of time" for them to target Democrats. "They are advocates," she said. "We are leaders."


      ###
      LEADERS?.....(excuse me as I act like wannawipe with ALL CAPS and exclamation points)......LEADERS!?!?!?....HAAAAAA!!!!!

      Failure to deliver on promises made in 11/06 is the only accomplishment of this new leftist congress....along with am historic low rating.....11%!!!!!!!!!!!!HAAAAAAA!!!!

      Even with Loin types protesting in her garden, poor Pelosi can't seem to pull the trigger and.......here I go again!!!!......

      CUT THE FUNDS!!!!.....BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!!!!!

      IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY.....WAR CRIMES TRIALS FOR THE CRIMINALS NOW!

      Perhaps Pelosi's prayers are just not being answered, eh Loin and wannawipe?

      Perhaps Tinkerbell died on Senator Reid too?.....

      "Senate Democrats will never give in, never give in, never, never, never

      "never give in, never, never, never

      "never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never."

      Democratic Senator Harry Reid, 9/24/07

      ###
      And where is mental midget with the great predictions he made back in 11/06.....Bush the lame duck.....the war lost and the troops home?.....

      And this is my post today, the 1,624th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

      I am cee, good night and good luck.

      "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

      "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

      "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

      "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

      "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

      "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

      "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

      "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

      "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

      "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
      KEITH OLBERMANN

      "Thinking such as your's is a cancer on our nation that needs to be cut out." MIKE posted 10/4/07 7:02PM

      You can tell Olbermann and Screwball Matthews hate each other. Notice how Olbermann has yet to defend Screwball Matthews for his left wing tantrum during Screwballs 4th place celebration. Usually Olbermann is head goon when it comes to attacking FoxNews but Olbermann made the slip and fall lawyer Abrams defend Screwball Matthews.

      Matthews has no respect for Olbermann because he's both an ex-sports guy and more importantly, because even Chris knows that "Countdown" is the most one-sided new program on television. Matthews may go free association in his thinking at times and blurt out his true Blue State feelings, and have an on-air speaking style that's a cross between Andy Rooney and Foghorn Leghorn, but at least he's not afraid to have people he disagrees with on his program.

      From a comment at the newshole, (shocked they posted it):

      R. NorCal (Sent Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:12 AM):

      Speaking of the debate, which I missed unfortunately, the MSM is once again tampering with online poll results. Keith, I know you're not supposed to bash your sister network, CNBC, but they deserve it. When their online poll showed Ron Paul winning in a landslide, they took down the poll! But, lucky for us, someone got a screenshot.:

      http://www.knowthelies.com/files/rpdebatelg0%5B1%5D.jpg

      Here is the link that explains the CNBC "phony" debate pole:

      http://www.knowthelies.com/?q=node/17

      A new poll indicates that a vast majority of the Americans are doubtful about the US administration's ability to solve Iraq's crisis.

      According to New York Times/CBS News poll, 95 percent of US citizens mistrust the way the Bush administration handles the Iraq war.

      Only 5 percent of the respondent said they could still trust Bush's policy on the controversial war in Iraq.

      The poll also reflects that 71 percent of the Americans believe officials must be flexible to reach a compromise on the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

      The poll shows approximately two third of the Americans believe that the US must reduce the number of its troops in Iraq or completely withdraw them from the country.

      Sixty-four percent said they support a plan by the Democrats to set a timetable for the troops' pullout by 2008.

      The Daily Show looks at the labyrinthine efforts on the part of the White House to obfuscate and rationalize their use of torture on detainees.

      STEWART: How is fake drowning, sleep deprivation, how isn’t that torture?

      OLIVER: That is not torture.

      STEWART: Why?

      OLIVER: Because we don’t torture.

      STEWART: Meaning we don’t do those things?

      OLIVER: No, no. Meaning if we do do those things, they must not be torture.

      Life is good for republicans if hillary is your nominee.

      Life is good for republicans if hillary is your nominee.

      Posted by: benson at October 10, 2007 3:18 PM

      What do you mean by 'your' nominee?

      Are you ASSUMING anyone calling a spade a spade is a Democrat?

      Poor Benson, thought he had everything figured out...

      "an on-air speaking style that's a cross between Andy Rooney and Foghorn Leghorn"

      The quote of the day. Thanks John

      Good- then vote republican dolt!

      Olbywatch- how do we submit? I found good photos.

      "A new poll indicates that a vast majority of the Americans. . .According to New York Times/CBS News poll. . . Only 5 percent of the respondent said . . . The poll also reflects that 71 percent . . . The poll shows approximately two third of the . . . "

      Posted by: Life is Good at October 10, 2007 3:14 PM

      Thanks, dipshit and I've got a poll that says that this same statistical sample thought that the new movie GamePlan is the cimematic equivalent of Citizen Kane and should receive the Oscar for Best Picture. Next case.

      O'Reilly never claimed that, he suggested it was a possibility. He didn't have all the facts and made it quite clear that was the case in the subsequent program after all the e-mails came in. Since then, he has ALSO made it quite clear how horrific what happened to Shawn Hornbeck was. Olbermann didn't lie, he just misleads and distorts. I don't even think Oralmann can lie because he never thinks anything for himself, he just gets it from the nutroots sites like DailyKos. There is no habeas corpus? For whom? Foreign nationals detained on a battlefield in Afghanistan? Don't recall the Constitution granting rights for illegal combatants nor the beloved Geneva Conventions. Olbermann has lied, we've documented that. He has smeared, documented that too. You don't like it? Go elsewhere.

      "O'REILLY CLAIMED HE LIKED THIS BETTER THAN BEING WITH HIS PARENTS."

      Uh,,,Bill was right it's called Stockholm syndrome.

      On your list you forgot to mention how 9/11 was an "inside Job".Bush cause that Tsunami in Thailand with his earthquake machine,He blew up the levees in New Orleans to kill poor Blacks,He cause the the collapse of that bridge in Mississippi and ordered the Murders of Paul Wellstone and Pat Tillman...if your going to repeat Daily Kos/Media Matters/Dem underground/Huffinton Post talking points you need to get them all. LOL !!!:)

      After receiving a barrage of e-mails and phone calls from listeners upset with radio host Rush Limbaugh over allegations by Democrats that he smeared anti-war troops, a tiny Oregon radio station decided to give the listeners what they asked for and replaced the No. 1-rated show with music.

      Paul Mitchell, general manager of KAST Radio in Astoria, told WND he's a long-time supporter of Limbaugh and explained he simply was trying to prove a point to people who said they would rather listen to CDs.

      "It was a great opportunity to cause a little excitement," said Mitchell, who estimates his market is about 30,000 people in the community at the mouth of the Columbia River on the Pacific.

      While Mitchell said he received about 200 e-mails and calls from people upset with Limbaugh, after suspending the program yesterday the station was hit with some 800 messages from listeners who wanted the talk-radio giant back.

      The show returned to KAST's schedule today.

      4:30 Claims- "I have used zero talking points"

      And you have used zero brain cells in your assertions too-
      "Not only does over half the country hate you guys, but the whole world as well"

      Seems like you have even less a grasp of world temperment!

      "If you think that Olbermann is less thoughtful and articulate than O'Reilly, then you might be in danger of falling OFF the fringe"

      I can't compare the two, I hardly watch O'Reilly. However, there is conclusive evidence that Olbermann is a liar. Rather than engaging in your useless ranting, why don't you defend these lies that Olbermann tells:

      Keith Olbermann's Top Ten Lies of 2006:

      http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2006/12/keith_olbermann_2.php

      You keep Astoria...

      We'll keep New York, Chicago, LA, San Francisco, Seattle, Minneapolis-St. Paul, Cincinnati, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Miami, St. Louis, Kansas City, Denver, Las Vegas, Boston...

      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 4:49 PM

      Limbaugh is on in everyone of those City's so what is your point?

      4:49
      Keep Miami? Are you cuban?
      Keep LA- Are you mexican?

      Have them loser!

      racist? just calling a spade a spade loser.
      Check the demos.

      Your cities are overrun with illegals, so have them.
      (Note to idiot: Illegals can't vote..... yet)

      If you don't know that the majority of our allies hate us now because of Bush, then your life is worthless. That's how stupid you are. Absolutely worthless...

      Posted by: Rednecks are ruining America at October 10, 2007 4:53 PM

      If you care what or "allies" think of us, then you are worthless. Our "allies" have always been jealous of us and always will be but who do the run to when they need help or money. And quit crying about "torture", no one cares that a bunch of murders are made to feel uncomfortable except ACLU slip and fall lawyers.

      If you think that Olbermann is less thoughtful and articulate than O'Reilly, then you might be in danger of falling OFF the fringe, that's how right wing you are. Go burn some crosses. The constitution guarentees rights for everyone, not just citizens. Did you read about the WWII vets that slammed Bush for allowing torture? Are you proud that we chain people naked to the ground in 50 degree cells and then don't feed them for days while music is blared constantly 24/7?

      Everyone here that makes excuses for O'Reillly, FOX, and the Bush cabal are traitors. You are all terrorists.

      Posted by: Rednecks are ruining America at October 10, 2007 4:38 PM

      Are you really as stupid as your post? The Constitution is for AMERICAN'S DUMBASS! Produce your evidence where it states that anyone on EARTH is ENTITLED to OUR RIGHT'S! Produce the link you are claiming about the WWII vets bashing Bush! The only BURNING of CROOSES was done by YOUR DEMONNUT PARTY which started a CIVIL WAR and led to your party getting beat down again in Brown vs. The Board of Education! So then a Demonnut named Johnson decide the only why to keep the demonnut party around was to come up with the Great Society, aka WELFARE! Have you seen any terrorist CHAINED to the GROUND NAKED? I say we let one out of gitmo that you love and move them in with you and your family. Maybe they put a tape on the net showing their love for you while holding YOUR HEAD in there hand! Then we will all know the love the have for those that LOVE THEM! Now get out of mommies basement and live in the REAL WORLD! The WORLD that has your LOVER'S wanting to show you their LOVE!

      'Did you see what a big man he was when he was confronted at his house with a camera? When he was asked about why he was a pervert? What a loser..."

      More like a man concern with the safety of his family...O'Reilly has had to deal with threats from Left-wing goons and that nut job who went to his house is the same guy that had to be thrown out of a George Allen event when he charge at the Senator.

      Are you proud that we chain people naked to the ground in 50 degree cells and then don't feed them for days while music is blared constantly 24/7?

      Everyone here that makes excuses for O'Reillly, FOX, and the Bush cabal are traitors. You are all terrorists.

      Posted by: Rednecks are ruining America at October 10, 2007 4:38 PM


      Air conditioning and free music 24/7? Sounds alright to me. Where do I sign up?

      5:28 Idiot- You have 4 more lies to debunk in your unreadable ranting style! Have at it, or you are our bitch!

      "Air conditioning and free music 24/7? Sounds alright to me. Where do I sign up?
      Posted by: terrorist at October 10, 2007 5:26 PM"

      I generally vacation at Gitmo, that tropical retreat from the stresses of Jihad and all those cross burnings. I tell you it is first class all the way!

      Grammie

      "You fucking piece of shit. You fucking loser. You fucking terrorist fucking traitor fucking piece of shit motherfucking loser asshole anti-american fucking loser.
      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 5:36 PM"

      Does this mean you don't like us anymore?

      Was it something we said?

      Grammie

      > You have 4 more lies to debunk

      No he has 10 lies to debunk. Changing what Olby said with additional wording doesn't debunk a lie. Citing an opinion column about a movie doesn't change the content of the movie. Claiming he was talking about someone's attitude "in general" when Olby took a comment about one subject and cut and paste it onto a different subject, well that doesn't debunk his lie either.

      I especially enjoyed this "debunking":

      > Drudge lied and you fucking know it, you fucking pieces of shit...

      Olby makes up a story out of whole cloth (the White House leaked a memo to Drudge), it comes out in the Wash Post and elsewhere that Drudge got the memo from someone at ABC, but our Olbypologist said "Drudge lied", not the guy who made up the lie in the first place, i.e. Edward R Olbermoronn.

      Is this the best the Olbypologists can do? It's like they're not even trying any more.

      >Father of Murdered Girl Questions Bush's Support to Halt Killer's Execution.

      A mexican national gang member rapes, sodomizes, and murders two teenage girls, and even after admitting it, Bush now comes to his defense.

      Think O'Reilly will bark at this story (since he is all about protecting the children), or since it makes his boy Bush look bad, he'll ignore it?

      Cumming to a NeoCon wet dream near you:

      BUSH on Mt. Rushmore!

      (...or is it Rush on Mt. Bushmore? NeoCon mythology is so hard to keep up with.)

      "but I read this FBI report:

      On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18–24 hours or more. On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold....On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor."
      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 5:36 PM


      can you provide a source for this "FBI report"? don't say KOS, MM, etc.

      Well, well 5:55. It seems a good liberal like you would be happy with Bush's position on the death penalty matter of the illegal alien. It's just "Bush is bad" all day, every day, isn't it?

      Mothers in British Columbia are having a baby boom, but it's the United States that has to deliver, and that has some proud Canadians blasting their highly touted government healthcare system.

      "I'm a born-bred Canadian, as well as my daughter and son, and I'm ashamed," Jill Irvine told FOX News. Irvine's daughter, Carri Ash, is one of at least 40 mothers or their babies who've been airlifted from British Columbia to the U.S. this year because Canadian hospitals didn't have room for the preemies in their neonatal units.

      "It's a big number and bigger than the previous capacity of the system to deal with it," said Adrian Dix, a British Columbia legislator, told FOXNews.com. "So when that happens, you can't have a waiting list for a mother having the baby. She just has the baby."

      • Click here to watch a video report of this story

      The mothers have been flown to hospitals in Seattle, Everett, Wash., and Spokane, Wash., to receive treatment, as well as hospitals in the neighboring province of Alberta, Dix said. Three mothers were airlifted in the first weekend of October alone, including Carri Ash.

      "I just want to go home and see my kids," she said from her Seattle hospital bed. "I think it's stupid I have to be here."

      Canada's socialized health care system, hailed as a model by Michael Moore in his documentary, "Sicko," is hurting, government officials admit, citing not enough money for more equipment and staff to handle high risk births.

      More brilliant ideas from our "allies".

      "But it's okay when Bill does it? Pussies."

      There's a big difference for a reporter to ask a elected official about letting convicted child molesters off with a wrist slap and a known "stalker" who already tried to assault one person coming to a another person's house to harass him.

      can you provide a source for this "FBI report"? don't say KOS, MM, etc.

      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 6:03 PM


      Try the Senate Floor...

      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 6:06 PM


      so, you're a senator...you read this report on the floor of the senate

      "Try the Senate Floor.."

      How's that any different from Daily Kos?..since Dirty Harry gets his marching orders from the Kossacs.

      Olbermann had good numbers last night. He should try not to take off any more days. (I guess the libs want to get their "news" delivered only by Olbermann).

      8PM - P2+ (25-54)
      O’Reilly Factor- 2,402,000 viewers (567,000) LSD: 2,418,000 viewers (582,000)
      Out in the Open –581,000 viewers (209,000) LSD: 581,000 viewers (209,000)
      Countdown w/ Olbermann- 842,000 viewers (343,000) LSD: 917,000 viewers (400,000)

      http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2007/10/10/tuesdays-numbers-58/

      anon/6:06, does the "senate floor" have a website from which you cut and pasted your info from? Just curious of it's origin.

      Fluff piece or back handed compliment? You decide:

      "Countdown" Offers Cure for Common Apathy
      Eli Beltran, Issue date: 10/10/07

      "Television audiences who find it difficult to get their political news without risking the potential of not getting enough information on Britney Spear's latest escapade, or Angelina Jolie's plan to give everyone her surname, will be relieved when they tune in to MSNBC's "Countdown" with Keith Olbermann.

      At first glance Olbermann may seem like just another stuffy anchor with his own show. But his newscast is a new show breed whose blend of politics with pop culture and format, counting down the day's top five stories, appeals to society's obsession with everything celebrity, lists, and rankings, whether it be the top five blogs, CDs, or movies."

      http://media.www.lavalleystar.com/media/storage/paper295/news/2007/10/10/ValleyLife/countdown.Offers.Cure.For.Common.Apathy-3022424.shtml

      "You are truly dimwitted, demented, delusional."

      Wow great comeback!!!!

      Sorry if the truth hurts but "Screw them" Moulitsos has already bragged about how The Dems are his little puppets....the Dems just like KO take their cues from their DK masters.

      anon/6:06, does the "senate floor" have a website from which you cut and pasted your info from?"

      well? website?

      Only a coward or a traitor would care if some Islamo-facist terrorist barbarians who saw peoples heads off with a butcher knife get loud music played in their ears.

      It was Dick Durbin quoting a FBI report when they were debating whether or not Bush could detain "enemy combatants" indefinately"...

      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 6:45 PM


      Link?

      There goes one of OW's mental midgets again....calling other people 'cowards and traitors'.

      Cmon, Factor...tell us again....what makes YOU so brave? What makes YOU so patriotic?

      You are pathetic...but then again, so is your namesake!

      Mike, no doubt you prefer this as representative of you:

      "You fucking piece of shit. You fucking loser. You fucking terrorist fucking traitor fucking piece of shit motherfucking loser asshole anti-american fucking loser.
      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 5:36 PM"

      Grammie

      "If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others"
      Dick "turbin" Durbin

      anon, you forgot that little gem.

      Big bad brave Mr. 'Factor' has become famous for calling other Americans "cowards" on this discussion board....but what I really want to know is; how many men do you think 'Factor' has called a "coward" face to face? Ya think he's called other men "traitors" face to face either?

      torture...

      for you libs who think the US is a little too rough on those poor captured terrorists...

      Here's how your old buddy Saddam used to do it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Avb-EhXW0&mode=related&search=

      warning:graphic

      I'm sure the terrorists would prefer the methods used by the US

      "here's how your old buddy Saddam used to do"

      Nobody gives a damn how "Saddam used to do it". We....America....are supposed to be better than that!

      We have shamed ourselves, and betrayed our own values to the entire world....and some of you seem to actually be proud of that!

      Posted by: 3M TA3 at October 10, 2007 7:38 PM

      nice name-jack

      From Chicken Blogger's link, which I only need to get the quote totally accurate because I saw and heard it:

      "SEN. DICK DURBIN: Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:

      "On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves and had been left there for eighteen to twenty-four hours or more."

      If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others, that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in treatment of their own prisoners. "

      By his own word's the little dick, Durbin, unequivocally asserts that what he read is the moral equivalent to the tens and tens and tens and tens of millions starved, tortured, gassed to death by the Nazis, Stalinist Russia and in the Killing Fields of Cambodia.

      You guys are more than welcome to keep him and his defenders and supporters.

      Grammie

      There goes one of OW's mental midgets again....calling other people 'cowards and traitors'.

      Cmon, Factor...tell us again....what makes YOU so brave? What makes YOU so patriotic?

      You are pathetic...but then again, so is your namesake!

      Posted by: Mike at October 10, 2007 7:26 PM

      I don't side with terroist over American troops for political gain like John Murtha, John Kerry, Barak Obama, and Dick Durbin.

      how many men do you think 'Factor' has called a "coward" face to face? Ya think he's called other men "traitors" face to face either?

      Posted by: Mike at October 10, 2007 7:33 PM


      About as many as you have, mike. Just our daily dose of hypo from mike.

      Mikey, I must have missed your answer to this:

      Mike, no doubt you prefer this as representative of you:

      "You fucking piece of shit. You fucking loser. You fucking terrorist fucking traitor fucking piece of shit motherfucking loser asshole anti-american fucking loser.
      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 5:36 PM"

      Grammie

      and it's alleged torture,,,what the US is doing. I call it interrogation. use whatever is necessary to get information, if it means protecting the citizens of this country and others.

      Janet: Why are you asking me to comment about a filthy comment like that? I can't even tell who's 'side' they're on or what they're trying to say?

      And why are you calling me "mikey"?

      Chicken Blogger, you need some serious reading comprehension courses.

      He said:

      "If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others, that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in treatment of their own prisoners. "

      Let me explain what he said in simple declarative sentences:

      1. Anyone hearing him would never believe it was done by Americans.

      2. Anyone hearing him would believe it was done by Nazis, Stalinists ant Khmer Rouge.

      3. It is sad that Americans did it.

      Grammie

      "I call it interrogation"

      And I call it an abandonment of the very principles that made America great in the first place.

      you think interrogation is a new concept?

      Well, I guess if we just asked the terrorists politely, they would tell us what we need to know.

      Why, Mikey?

      Because I get out of sorts after reading reams of garbage from Rednecks ruining America and Chicken Bloggers spewing their filth and accusations of treason, murder and the charming quote I provided for you.

      "You fucking piece of shit. You fucking loser. You fucking terrorist fucking traitor fucking piece of shit motherfucking loser asshole anti-american fucking loser.
      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 5:36 PM"

      If you didn't know who said it all you had to do was find 5:35 PM and you would have known. I am not asking you to believe me. Go check it yourself.

      Instead, you jump in feet first going against Factor for an in comparison benign comment.

      Grammie

      Soooooo, N3M 5TA3, when would you bomb Mecca?

      Posted by: I didn't know Billdo tagged this crapper at October 10, 2007 8:03 PM


      Thanks, patsy!

      Mikey, is Chicken Blogger your big brother?

      How embarrassing that he goes out to fight your battles and defend you from one little gray haired lady! :)

      Grammie

      "Instead you jump in feet first going after Factor for an in comparison benign comment."

      Because Janet, it isn't the first time Factor has used words like "coward" and "traitor" to label those who disagree with him. He has even done it to me recently.

      For the life of me, I just can't figure out what the word "coward" means to people like Factor in regards to blogboard political opposition?

      It's not like any of us are putting our lives on the line on this silly blog.

      Janet: "How embarrassing that he goes out to fight your battles and defend you from one little gray haired lady! :)

      Embarrassing for whom?

      What battles?

      As a gray haired man, all I can say is that gray haired little ladies tend to scare me more than gray haired little men. :)

      "And I call it an abandonment of the very principles that made America great in the first place."


      ###
      Oh dear Mike....Did you catch THE WAR? Listen to the greatest generation and find out what some admitted they did to The Japanese in The Pacific.... "American Values" were alive in well in those great men when they "tortured" according to the vapid left, and it is alive and well in Gitmo and many other places great Americans are protecting us.

      I just can't wait to see the transparency we see if a democrat becomes the executive....treatment like this has been occurring forever and is not torture....unless it is under a republican and the left can make political hay out of it.

      Real torture is what we eliminated in Iraq and Afghanistan....and what should have been stopped in South Vietnam....but the left only cares about their power, nevermind the facts.

      Hello, Grammie!

      My husband is about to come home withe the kids so I wanted to quickly state that I find you very admirable for how you handled your health care situation. A part of me sees a need for a form of socialized medicine to keep people like you, who won't take advantage, from that kind of bind. I don't trust that it would work, though. Hear footsteps, gotta go.

      "but reading 'reams of garbage' from Pastor DUMBFUCK! I mean Phallu-Cee is quite acceptable."


      ###
      I would hope you have it set to memory by now....I have posted it enough....

      Stop moving your lips as you read this, dude.

      Again, what about those troops?

      "Senate Democrats will never give in, never give in, never, never, never

      "never give in, never, never, never

      "never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never."

      Democratic Senator Harry Reid, 9/24/07

      Oh Cee....YOU again!

      Are you arguing that because we occasionally abandoned our principles in "THE WAR", that makes it OK? Is THAT what you are arguing Cee?

      My father used to work at a small police station where he personally observed arrestees getting the hell beat out of them, in violation of everything we consider right and good. Did the fact that it happened make THAT OK too?

      Cee, I care about what WE do. The fact that OTHERS engage in torture is not something I can control. However I once took great pride in the belief that we DIDN'T (or didn't used to anyway).....It's called principle Cee....something I think you completely misunderstand.

      I say torture done by America is NEVER OK.

      Wise decision. You should be afraid, be very afraid!

      You still haven't responded to my comment directed to you that Chicken Blogger (could it be the same Chicken Blogger who said "You fucking piece of shit. You fucking loser. You fucking terrorist fucking traitor fucking piece of shit motherfucking loser asshole anti-american fucking loser.") stepped in on and diverted us from.

      You see those accusations as only coming towards you and never towards others. (BTW is our visually challenged rodent related)?

      Read this thread, not necessarily closely, and come back and tell me that your attack on The Factor was justified while you ignored those attacks from your side.

      I have given one prime example already.

      Grammie

      "I say torture done by America is NEVER OK."


      ###
      No you don't. You say "torture" done by the Bush administration is not ok.....BTW, I disagree that what those brave men did was torture....It was ok and I am glad they are honored for protecting their families and mine from fascism.

      What about the atom bomb, Mike? It was dropped on two civilian populations.....torture ensued.....was that "not ok?"

      Talk to someone from the greatest generation about that leftist claim as "a crime against humanity."

      No. In my opinion, not torture.

      Period....No apologies, no calling what they did, torture.

      Thank you greatest generation....there as been none since!

      I await your personal attack on either my lack of military service, or my relgious beliefs....because that is all you have left, whiney mikey.

      "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

      Cee:

      "No you don't. You say torture when done by the Bush administration is not OK."

      Oh yeah! You think you're qualified to put words in my mouth, and thoughts in my head, do you?

      NO, you false Christian...I SAID "Torture is NEVER OK" and I MEANT torture is NEVER OK.
      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Keep right on making your own definitions as to what constitutes torture and what doesn't. Keep movine that line to suit your own purposes. You do it for every other issue anyway.

      I don't have your moral relevancy problem Phara-Cee, I know what torture is and I believe the line should never be crossed by anyone.

      Keep calling yourself a Christian....I call you anything but.

      My father used to work at a small police station where he personally observed arrestees getting the hell beat out of them, in violation of everything we consider right and good. Did the fact that it happened make THAT OK too?

      Cee, I care about what WE do. The fact that OTHERS engage in torture is not something I can control. However I once took great pride in the belief that we DIDN'T (or didn't used to anyway).....It's called principle Cee....something I think you completely misunderstand.

      I say torture done by America is NEVER OK.

      Posted by: Mike at October 10, 2007 9:09 PM

      Your attacking the police now too you loon. You don't give a squirt about tortured. You only care about politics. Where were your howls when your boy Clinton torched 70 U.S. citizens in Texas? Why don't you bitch about how during WWII we executed Nazi's in the street? How do you think we got information in WWII? You bitch about loud music, cold air, and water boarding. As long as George W. Bush does it, you hate it. Your brand of moral equivalency between Islamo-facist and the United States military gets our troops killed.

      My point exactly Factor....whiney mikey has shown himself to be the anti-American leftist hack he has always been.....

      "NO, you false Christian...I SAID "Torture is NEVER OK" and I MEANT torture is NEVER OK."

      Then what about Waco?

      What about Truman's decision to drop a horrific and painful weapon on women and children?

      Then what about the techniques used by American soldiers against Japanese and German grunts?

      You moral indignation beings and ends with George Bush, whiner mikey....I know it, and the reat of this board knows it.

      And when the same techinques continue IN SECRET under a D's administration, you and the pathetic left will be silent....like they always have, becasue you are the ones with moral relativism...it is a foundation of the secular left....not a part of my world-view.


      Mental midget Factorisms again:

      "Your attacking the police now too loon."....Anyone but a total moron like yourself would have recognized that I was citing a simple analogy.

      "You don't give a squirt about the tortured."....That depends on who is being tortured. But I always "give a squirt" if we are the ones doing the torturing, because I understand both the constitution and the definition of right and wrong.

      "You only care about politics.".....Actually I don't give a damn about politics. I just want my government to return to the moral high ground, regardless of who is in charge.

      "Where were your howls when your boy Clinton torched 70 U.S. citizens in Texas?"....Clinton isn't "my boy", and you don't have a clue what I think about that unfortunate piece of history.

      "Why don't you bitch about how during WWII we executed Nazi's in the street?"....Because that was then, and this is now....moron.

      "How do you think we got information in WWII?"....Let's see, cracking the enigma code was ONE way. If torture was another, then we were WRONG....got that moron!

      "You bitch about loud , cold air, and water boarding."....Yes, it was torture, and yes I'm very ashamed that my America has been guilty of trashing time honored Geneva convention principles and it's own honor in the process.

      "As long as George W Bush does it, you hate it."....I "Hate it" when ANY American does it. And I hate it even more when ANY US President condons it.

      "Your brand of moral equivalency between Islamo-fascist and the United States military gets our troops killed."....I don't have a clue what you are talking about here, and I doubt if you do either? If you are saying I am accusing our military of condoning torture, then you are lying again. The military is only following the wishes of it's corrupt and incompetent commander in chief.

      Still patiently waiting, Mikey.

      What do you think of the attacks, that seem to only offend you so when they are directed in your direction, when they are pointed outward.

      As offended as you claimed to be by The Factor what do you say about this attack against us:

      "You fucking piece of shit. You fucking loser. You fucking terrorist fucking traitor fucking piece of shit motherfucking loser asshole anti-american fucking loser.
      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 5:36 PM"

      A few minutes will reveal more such attacks.

      Yea or nay, Mike.

      Is the act wrong or does it depend on who launched it against whom?

      Grammie

      "and when the same techniques continue IN SECRET under a D's administration, you and the pathetic left will be silent."

      Is that all you have Phara-Cee, to lie about what I will supposedly do IF the Democrats were to continue this same kind of immorality?

      Thats pretty weak....and it is a LIE!

      Grammie,

      Mike is torturing you. I think his evil twin Skippy is behind it all.

      How's them pom-poms, Baby?

      This blog is THE WORST BLOG...IN THE WORLD!

      Janet, I think I've already told you what I think of that statement. And I think I've already told you why I specifically went after Factor for calling people on a blogboard "cowards", or have you already forgotten how I mentioned that he called ME a "coward" only recently?

      And please Janet, do not keep posting that offensive statement....you're better than that.

      Now again...why do you keep calling me "mikey"

      Rico, them pom- poms still look great when I am dreaming I am in my Maiden Form bra. :)

      Grammie

      Because, Mikey, you are behaving like a little boy who just can't own up and take responsibility.

      I just did a search on Mike and read every post you made on this thread.

      Either your compadres are correct and I am senile or you have only justified why you attacked The Factor. So far you have totally ignored far more egregious comments (that offensive statement you commented on is only one) directed from your side to us.

      Let me give you a few more:

      "Everyone here that makes excuses for O'Reillly, FOX, and the Bush cabal are traitors. You are all terrorists.
      Posted by: Rednecks are ruining America at October 10, 2007 4:38 PM"


      "2) What are you, a racist? Loser. Reference my screen name...
      Posted by: Rednecks are ruining America at October 10, 2007 4:58 PM"

      A simple question.

      Do you condemn and disassociate yourself from these types of comments by your political cohorts?

      Grammie

      If you don't like my copying it I would hope you would be far more offended by the author of it.

      Janet, I don't know what in the hell you are doing or why?

      It is not my place to condemn or attack every innappropriate comment on this board....just as you don't either. I never even read that comment, or it's context until you reposted it for just for me for inexplicable reasons.

      Now about 'mikey'. You and I both know that I have always refrained from joining in or piling on the 'old lady' jokes that have been thrown your way so often....so kindly respect my name as it is written.

      Thank you!

      "You don't give a squirt about the tortured."....That depends on who is being tortured. But I always "give a squirt" if we are the ones doing the torturing, because I understand both the constitution and the definition of right and wrong.


      posted by mike

      Just curious, which people is it ok to torture? Are some people ok to torture? Elaborate/spin, please. Since you made this comment:

      "That depends on who is being tortured."

      Jeff: "Just curious, which people is it ok to torture?"

      Damn, how can a human being be as stupid as you. What is your IQ? 55?

      I just SAID it's not OK to torture anybody several times, and yet you someohow read that I think it is OK to torture in some circumstances.

      Look you dunce...that's not what the above quote said....and it's not what it meant.

      Mike,

      In general, torture is wrong, but I would make an exception for "illegal combatants". They are "fair game", as far as I am concerned.

      Rico, I disagree.

      First off, I'm not sure what an "illegal combatant" is.

      But most importantly, you never abandon principle.

      Rico to mike:"You don't give a squirt about the tortured."....

      mike to Rico: [That depends on who is being tortured.] But I always "give a squirt" if we are the ones doing the torturing, because I understand both the constitution and the definition of right and wrong.

      Posted by: Mike at October 10, 2007 9:57 PM

      Jeff to mike: "Just curious, which people is it ok to torture?"

      Then mike:
      "Look you dunce...that's not what the above quote said....and it's not what it meant."


      Posted by: Mike at October 10, 2007 10:59 PM

      Jeff, not only are you proving your own stupidity again by REPOSTING your own lack of comprehension of simple English, you even got wrong who asked made the original assertion.

      No Jeff, it wasn't Rico, it was Factor....you dunce!

      First off, I'm not sure what an "illegal combatant" is.

      But most importantly, you never abandon principle.

      Posted by: Mike at October 10, 2007 11:25 PM


      You don't know what an illegal combatant is? Are you really that stupid?
      Here is a hint, the people who flew planes into buildings on 9/11. The people who capture reporters and cut their heads off on the internet.

      You don't give a squirt about the tortured."....That depends on who is being tortured. But I always "give a squirt" if we are the ones doing the torturing, because I understand both the constitution and the definition of right and wrong.

      You are being misquoted? Are you that stupid. These are your exact words. So again to "That depends on who is being tortured." So who is OK to torture Mike.

      Yes, Factor. He's that stupid.

      Keith Oralmann? Keith Olberfuhrer is more accurate.

      8:34....Thanks, teach!

      Factor:

      "You are being misquoted? Are you that stupid."

      No, I'm not THAT stupid. But you two (Factor and Jeff) sure as hell are.

      I didn't say he "misquoted me, you dolts. I said he (Jeff), and now you too (Factor), completely misunderstood what I said, even though it was written in very clear and concise english. It obviously IS an IQ thing with you two!

      Now, just for you two morons, I will explain exactly what English means:

      To begin with, you said "you don't give a squirt about the tortured":.....And I agreed with that one PART of what you said by saying: "it depends on who is being tortured"....I said that because I don't. Most of them HAVE, in fact declared themselves enemies of America, and I personally do not care about what happens to them, or their fate. That statement DOESN'T say, or even imply....that I think it is "OK to torture".

      Now try to follow this, you two, if you can....I've said NOTHING contradictory here, even though you two obviously think I have. This is where your lack of IQ begins to overwhelm your level of comprehension again.

      I THEN followed THAT statement up with: "But I always "give a squirt" if we are the ones doing the torturing,"....Now stay with me here.....that follow up statement put my first statement completely into context because now I just followed that up with what is REALLY important; THE PRINCIPLE THAT IT IS NOT OK FOR US TO TORTURE PERIOD, which is exactly what I have been saying in ALL of my posts.

      To further simplify it for you two, It is NEVER OK for AMERICA to torture anyone, whether or not you or I personally care about the fate of that particular individual.

      Now, Is THAT simple enough for you two obvious idiots?

      Then, I followed THAT up with "because I understand the constitution and the definition of what is right or wrong."....Now, what does THAT statement say to you two dolts? Well, it SHOULD have told you that our constitution (as in cruel and unusual punishment - remember boys?) in conjunction with a basic understanding of what is right or wrong, forbids us (we are talking about America) to torture ANYBODY....as in NEVER!

      And one final thing Factor, the 8:34 post covered your contrived definition of "Illegal combatants" pretty well, so I won't overload your limited level of understanding by going over that one again for you.

      Mike you and your moron friend above need to understand that the Geneva Convention does not apply to terrorist. Mike used the word illegal combatant, I did not.

      "To begin with, you said "you don't give a squirt about the tortured":.....And I agreed with that one PART of what you said by saying: "it depends on who is being tortured"....I said that because I don't. Most of them HAVE, in fact declared themselves enemies of America, and I personally do not care about what happens to them, or their fate. That statement DOESN'T say, or even imply....that I think it is "OK to torture". "

      How exactly can you see you don't care if people who have declared themselves enemies of America are tortured, but you are not OK with torture? What would you say if George Bush came out and said, "I don't care if enemies of America are tortured, but I am not OK with torture."

      How exactly would blackwater qualify as an unlawful enemy combatant? Blackwater provides security for diplomats. Thats like saying the security guard company that shoots a bank robber is an unlawful enemy combatant. More twisted logic by Olbyloons.

      Mike, you gave me my answer.

      You don't have any problem with whistling pass and ignoring an entire thread from your side the aisle and jumping on one example from the other side.

      BTW, I have criticized those from my side of the aisle more than once for similar behavior.

      When I do make comments about the other side I try to pick my spot. In other words, I don't don't do it on a thread, as this one, where there was one errant comment from the other side and those who supposedly are on my side were reveling in it.

      Grammie

      Factor, now you went and did it. :)

      I am afraid that you may have fed Capon Fauntleroy Clucker, more affectionately known to some as THE FLUCKER, and he will be sniffing, scent marking and scratching around again.

      C'est la vie.

      Grammie

      "That presumes, first, that the classification of terrorist is correct. The US has been repeatedly incorrect, although not inevitably so, in that determination."

      No you presume the U.S. has been repeatedly incorrect. If the U.S. is repeatedly incorrect , where is the conviction in international court?

      In order for Black Water to be an unlawful enemy combatant, they need to be involved in combat operations, they are not, they provide security.

      Factor:

      "What would you say if George Bush were to say "I don't care if enemies of America are tortured, but I'm not OK with torture?"

      BY JOVE, I THINK HE'S GOT IT!!!

      I'd say it would certainly be an unusual statement for a president to make but would be in keeping with our principles as long as those who worked under him did not take it as a nod of approval for engaging in torture themselves.

      Yes Factor....It DOES matter if we are the ones doing or intentionally causing torture to happen....that is the whole point and always was!

      And yes Factor, I DO fully understand that the Geneva Convention does not apply to "Terrorists", who would simply be International criminals by any other definition. That is why we also have a Constitution that forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

      You see, no matter how you look at this issue, there is no loophole here. As a matter of PRINCIPLE, we do not torture under ANY circumstances, and that is exactly where George W Bush has shamed America.

      Factor to mike:"You don't give a squirt about the tortured."....

      mike to Factor: [That depends on who is being tortured.] But I always "give a squirt" if we are the ones doing the torturing, because I understand both the constitution and the definition of right and wrong.

      Posted by: Mike at October 10, 2007 9:57 PM

      Jeff to mike: "Just curious, which people is it ok to torture?"

      Then mike:
      "Look you dunce...that's not what the above quote said....and it's not what it meant."


      Posted by: Mike at October 10, 2007 10:59 PM

      Janet: "I'm afraid that you may have fed Capon Fauntleroy Clucker, more affectionately known as THE FLUCKER, and he will be sniffing, scent marking, and scratching around here again."

      What are you "afraid" of Janet?

      Is it that you are "afraid" of a modicum of intelligent discourse to the contrary?

      While, I too believe those comments were made by the former "Clucker", I fail to understand why you and yours choose to remain so obsessed with the identity of the commentator, instead of the salient points raised by the commentator?

      Your ongoing obsession with names and identities is EXACTLY why I believe some posters choose to remain anonymous.

      For a change, try focusing on what is being said, and not who is saying it.

      I'd say it would certainly be an unusual statement for a president to make but would be in keeping with our principles as long as those who worked under him did not take it as a nod of approval for engaging in torture themselves.
      Mike

      How do you know George Bush has given a knod of approval for torture? He says the United States does not torture. Maybe he told the CIA "I don't care if enemies of America are tortured, but I'm not OK with torture?" and the CIA said well, water boarding and loud music are not torture so we are square with George Bush.

      And yes Factor, I DO fully understand that the Geneva Convention does not apply to "Terrorists", who would simply be International criminals by any other definition. That is why we also have a Constitution that forbids cruel and unusual punishment.

      The Constitution does not apply to Terrorist from foreign countries; it applies to United States citizens.

      While, I too believe those comments were made by the former "Clucker", I fail to understand why you and yours choose to remain so obsessed with the identity of the commentator, instead of the salient points raised by the commentator?

      Your ongoing obsession with names and identities is EXACTLY why I believe some posters choose to remain anonymous.

      For a change, try focusing on what is being said, and not who is saying it.

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 1:33 PM


      Where were these "salient points?"

      While, I too believe those comments were made by the former "Clucker", I fail to understand why you and yours choose to remain so obsessed with the identity of the commentator, instead of the salient points raised by the commentator?

      Your ongoing obsession with names and identities is EXACTLY why I believe some posters choose to remain anonymous.

      For a change, try focusing on what is being said, and not who is saying it.

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 1:33 PM


      Oh, please... the people who chose to use different names here do so because THEY seek to be less personally accountable for "what is being said" rather than the converse.

      Poor dumb me. I thought the discussion was about whether Senator Clinton had bought on Mr. Berger as a campaign consultant. She did not. Of course, the entire post by Hank was merely a ruse to bring up Mr. Berger once again, a topic with merit, but one exhausted. I should have realized that this was, by design, an off-topic trick. My apologies for disturbing the fun and games.

      Posted by: at October 11, 2007 1:56 PM


      See what happens when you get your news from far leftist hacks like Olbermahn? Sadly, uninformed.

      Perhaps you ought to read the Constitution, then. "People" is used far more often than "citizen". Posted by: at October 11, 2007 2:03 PM


      We the People of the UNITED STATES

      do ordain and establish this Constitution for the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.

      It does not say "We the People of the international community" "Do ordain and establish this Constitution for the international community.

      Maybe you should read it again.

      Factor: "The constitution does not apply to Terrorist from foreign countries; It applies to United States citizens."

      Actually, it applies to anyone in the Unitied States. That is why we have Gitmo outside of the US and other detention centers who knows where.

      What you really just said is that you are OK with torture and you are still trying to define that loophole. What you still fail to grasp is that engaging in torture shames and hurts America.

      ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      Factor: "How do you know George Bush has given his nod of approval for torture?"

      First off, you are engaging in semantics with that statement (see entire statement above), but I'll bite anyway:

      Because of direct statement by the president himself attempting to redefine the definition of torture that was already well established by the Geneve Convention, until we modified it to serve our own cynical purposes.

      ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Newsbusters:


      Washington Examiner" White House correspondent Bill Sammon reported to the October 8 edition of "Fox and Friends" that the Clinton campaign hired convicted document thief Sandy Berger. In questioning Sammon, guest co-host Greg Kelly asked if the story "has legs." Sammon responded noting the mainstream media’s double standard reputation.

      http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/10/sen-clinton-san.html

      HRC has already engaged in the semantics that threaten us here...

      Section. 2.

      The "Citizens" of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of "Citizens" in the several States.

      From the Clucker's beak "Poor dumb me. I thought the discussion was about whether Senator Clinton had bought on Mr. Berger as a campaign consultant."

      The Sandy Berger discussion is on another thread.

      Have a problem with comprehension and concentration, do you?

      "I should have realized that this was, by design, an off-topic trick. My apologies for disturbing the fun and games."

      Oh, my dear, no! You have posted the diversion and provided the fun and games for us all.

      Don't be so harsh on yourself.

      Grammie

      Cecelia: "Oh please, the people who choose to use different names here do so because THEY seek to be less personally accountable for "what is being said" rather than the converse."

      As someone who DOESN'T use different names, I still disagree!

      I see the subject matter my own posts being blown off all the time because of how other posters have already stereotyped "Mike".

      You did it to me just the other night when you stereotyped me as an across the board 'leftist' by falsely claiming I was passionate about "gas prices", "Global warming", and several other left leaning issues that I have NEVER talked about on this board.

      Why did you do that? Because you THINK you have me pegged, .... and packaging me in a little box and labeling it "leftist" makes it easier for you to simply think of me as 'the enemy'.

      Personally, I hope the former Clucker keeps posting and just ignors the inevitable name taunts, .... because he/she has much perspective to offer on this blog.

      "Don't be so harsh on yourself.

      Grammie

      Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 11, 2007 2:19 PM"


      "Poor dumb me.

      Posted by: at October 11, 2007 1:56 PM "


      Oh, he's not being harsh on himself at all, Grammie.

      In fact I commend him for the above instance of insight...

      Poor dumb me. I thought the discussion was about whether Senator Clinton had bought on Mr. Berger as a campaign consultant. She did not.

      Posted by: at October 11, 2007 1:56 PM

      "The New York Democrat's campaign downplayed the fact, saying Monday that Berger is an informal, unpaid adviser to the campaign, something ascribed to many people associated with the campaign. Berger has been a longtime friend of both Clintons."

      http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,300005,00.html

      Whether Berger is an "informal" advisor or getting paid $15, 000 a month to dispense advice about how to be an "alpha " male, I am correct in my assertion that Berger is an "advisor" to the Clinton campaign. Cluck, I know you hate it when Berger's name is brought up because it reminds voters of how the Democrats operate, but it is Hillary that you should really train your frustratations against. She chose to associate with Berger AGAIN, knowing full well his criminal behavior and sleazy tactics of providing cover for the Clintons by spiriting away and destroying classified documents.

      Why did you do that? Because you THINK you have me pegged, .... and packaging me in a little box and labeling it "leftist" makes it easier for you to simply think of me as 'the enemy'.

      Personally, I hope the former Clucker keeps posting and just ignors the inevitable name taunts, .... because he/she has much perspective to offer on this blog.

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 2:25 PM

      I package you as a leftist because that's what you are. I don't happen to be as rightwing as the Factor, but a rightwinger is what I am. No one is an "across-the-board" anything.

      How did I dismiss you in that discussion in anyway that I might not have dismissed you if you were arguing under another name?

      Oh, I'm not suggesting that it can't be done, but why would you or anyone be afraid of that and use it as an argument for a scenario that would be far far worse-- a blog board of random unaccountable anonymous posters. The only reason you can point at me for "dismissing you" or for behaving or arguing without continuity is BECAUSE I post under one name.

      The risk of being type-casted or dismissed is something everyone faces daily in real life, we don't have ability to randomly change name or wear masks and that is quite a good thing. Arguing for something less here is an argument for more artificiality in this medium, not less.

      It's no surprise to me that WDYC lied about the extent of his disguised postings and that you make quite an effort to defend yourself against such charges by saying you only did it twice (I believe you). There's the quality of not playing fair that we all sense.

      Mike must like torture because he is torturing logic. Mike says that as torture can ocure as long as long a Bush turns a blind eye to it and states publicly that he does not condone it.

      His freind must like torture because he is trying to torture the word "people" in the constitution into foregin terrroist when it is clearly refering to United States citizens. We the people of the United States does not mean we the people of the United States and any terroist captured by the United States military and taken to a military base.

      Name a prisoner of war who has been granted constitutional rights in the United States court from any war? Granted, these are not prisoners of war, they are unlawful enemy combatants. Why would we give an unlawful enemy combatant more rights than we would give a prisoner of war by granting them the protection of the constitution?

      Factor: "Mike must like torture because he is torturing logic. Mike says that as torture can ocure as long as Bush turns a blind eye to it and states publicly that he does not condone it."

      Actually, all of the 'torturing' of logic is coming from you. I've been pretty clear about this. Here it is again:

      AMERICA should not engage in torture....not EVER!

      AMERICA should not condone torture....not EVER!

      AMERICA is supposed to be better than that, as well as better than our enemies.

      It is a simple matter of PRINCIPLE! Of simply upholding the highest of American ideals that is what made us great, and has kept us great.

      Bush has shamed AMERICA by engaging and condoning torture and twisting logic and words in order to claim that he hasn't. However, the world can, and does see through all of that.

      It's only the Factor's of this world that are having difficulty with this very simple concept.

      Yes, some others always have, and always will engage in torture. But that does NOT make it acceptable for US to EVER stoop to that level ourselves.

      Is that clear enough for you yet?

      Mike, lets get this off the table first:

      "As someone who DOESN'T use different names, I still disagree!"

      You did at one point use the names Woogy/Woozy and Mutt in addition to Mike.

      You did it, you admitted it and made your explanation and we all moved on.


      Mike: "Your ongoing obsession with names and identities is EXACTLY why I believe some posters choose to remain anonymous.

      For a change, try focusing on what is being said, and not who is saying it.

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 1:33 PM"

      Are you now renouncing the many posts you have made complaining in general and to R Cox and J$ about people playing fast and loose with the unprecedented freedom on this site by abusing the lack of registration to comment here?

      I have commented on it many times, as you know. But let me lay out my reasons and you can tell me what you approve or disapprove of.

      1. Name hijackers/Chicken Bloggers who post all types of garbage.

      2. Multiple name hijackings on one thread having a discussion with himself and others simultaneously who also post all types of garbage.

      A few examples of the two points above. The death announcements of SLOB's family and me, the round robin recently of phony Sharon, John, Cecelia, Mike and me, the quote that offended you yesterday from this thread.


      3. Morphing from name to name in the same thread.

      4. Morphing from name to name over longer periods of time.

      The last two points. In a totally anonymous venue these intellectual cowards seek even more anonyminity to hide behind. Every post I have ever made here has been using my full name and I am accountable for them as far as accountability goes in this situation.

      When I have behaved badly (and I do sometimes) I can be called to task on it. When my argument doesn't stand up (and sometimes they don't) , I can be called on it.

      Not the cowards who play these sick games. Some of it is simply unacceptable behavior by any decent human being. Some of it is downright pathological.

      Are you prepared to argue that I was only offended (sorry, it is the closest example to hand) by this because it was a Chicken Blogger.:

      "You fucking piece of shit. You fucking loser. You fucking terrorist fucking traitor fucking piece of shit motherfucking loser asshole anti-american fucking loser.
      Posted by: at October 10, 2007 5:36 PM"

      Are you prepared to argue that Bobo's cast of thousands played by him alone are challenged by me because of name games or rather his ideas and statements.

      Grammie

      Cecelia, I haven't argued that posting under multiple names is admirable. That is why I don't do it myself.

      However, I HAVE argued that there IS some merit to not using a name on a blog that permits not using a name, even though I choose not to do it myself.

      I have also argued that some on this blog are excessively obsessed with someone's name to the point that they completely dismiss the merits their posts.

      That said, I personally believe this blog would improve if all posters were forced to choose and then stick with a single moniker.

      I am aware that you are not as right wing as Factor is, and that is precisely why I respect you more than I do Factor...because you have shown an ability to see some nuance and merit in arguments coming from the left that many on your side seem completely incapable of doing.

      That said, I have been trying for several days to get you to address exactly why you stereotyped me the way you did the other night about issues I have never discussed?

      Now, If you actually do want to discuss "gas prices" or "global warming" with me, I think you will be quite surprised at where I stand on those issues.

      Bush has shamed AMERICA by engaging and condoning torture and twisting logic and words in order to claim that he hasn't. However, the world can, and does see through all of that.

      Your right Mike, George Bush should have said
      "I don't care if enemies of America are tortured, but I'm not OK with torture?"

      Then you and your left wing friends would all love him.


      Personally, I hope the former Clucker keeps posting and just ignors the inevitable name taunts, .... [because he/she has much perspective to offer on this blog.]

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 2:25 PM


      Sheepskin***s***, but why quibble?

      posted by: philby/rudy/clucker/jennifer/anon


      Now, there's some "perspective."

      Factor: "Your right Mike, George Bush should have said".
      "I don't care if enemies of America are tortured, but I'm not OK with torture."

      You don't give up on lost arguments, do you?

      George W Bush should have never condoned or allowed torture....Period!

      philby, I call them as I see them. Those are yours and mike's words, not mine.

      > Cecelia, I haven't argued that posting under multiple names is admirable. That is why I don't do it myself.

      Let's see...

      mike
      phil
      bubbajim
      willmashore
      Woogy
      RedState
      Buffy
      Bluebird
      FactCheck is a pompus/pompous jerk
      Liburahl
      Will
      Opama
      Gobledegook/gobbledeguck
      Pucko
      whodunnit/whodunit
      Redbird
      MYTVONLYGETSMSNBC
      Matt is a lapdog
      Woofy
      Matt is a hypocrite
      Namenabber
      Pink Wolf
      Blue Wolf
      Mutt
      Name
      Hypohater
      Francewasright
      Peter Piper/Peterpiper
      Blue Patriot
      Dicky
      hater
      Rudy
      Jimbo

      plus a lot of one-or-two shots like:

      Brandon
      Joker
      Taty Kuric
      Yogi Nimrod

      I quit going over the list about half way through. So the actual number may be around twice what you see above.

      6:10--Just as I suspected in the past. I think all of the "not pro-olbermann-just anti-hypocrisy" were mike's, too. Why else would he argue in defense of someone posting under several names ( as he did countless times) if he wasn't doing it himself, all the while? Hypocritical? To say the least.

      You and I live in a great country, The Factor. Appreciate it for what makes it great. Clue: our greatness is not in our ability to be so unreasonably fearful of terrorists and terrorism that we stand in line to forfeit our civil and Constitutional rights, as some, including most of the Republican and many of the Democratic members of our shameful Congress have done. Be proud. Be brave.

      Posted by: at October 11, 2007 4:25 PM


      I am not giving up my Constitutional rights, I just don't want my Constitutional rights given to an unlawful enemy combatant who cuts a journalist head off or blows up school children. If terroist want to form a country, wear a uniform, declare war on the United States, and attack legitimate military targets, I will be more than happy to grant them the rights of any other POW, but not the rights of a United States citizen.

      You are one pompous, pompous, one sided jerk Johnny Dollar. You know damned well all of those posts were from WAY back and I have not been doing that recently.

      Jeff: "Why else would he argue in defense of someone posting under several names."

      Because there is absolutely nothing wrong with it nimrod, .... but I have not been doing since I said I wasn't.

      Not only that nimrod, when I was, you NEVER, EVER picked up on them...not once!

      Gee, didn't see that coming. I might have to take a trip back in the archives and find a post where the biggest hypocrite on the internets, mike, was claiming to only have posted under mike and woogy. "That's it" said he. Yea, right.

      "Jeff": "mike, was claiming to only have posted under mike and woogy."....You forgot "mutt" nimrod, which I told you was used strickly as a parody on you.

      Isn't this a funny day? I make a post or two about some of the poster's obsession with names, and what does J Dollar do.....goes WAY back in the archives just to obsess about names!

      I suppose if I choose to post here anymore, I won't bother to try to be up and up about my name any more, since the jerk that runs this site doesn't even respect the honest effort I have made to do that since the big fuss was made about it the first time months ago.

      Why bother?

      > I have not been doing that recently.

      How do you define "recently"? Does last month count?

      mike, give up. You won't be able to dig yourself out of this hole. Try as you may. I don't think philby/rudy/clucker/jennifer/anon will be able to help you, either. I just had a deja vu in regards to mike, why and clucker adamantly denying they used other names.

      "I did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky!" Bj Clinton

      "I only post under mike" mike/40 some odd others

      "You guys are paranoid!" why/40 some odd others

      JD: "How do you define "Recently"?"

      How do you define pompous Jerk?.......J O H N N Y D O L L A R !!!

      Jeff: "mike give up, you won't be able to dig out of this hole"

      Trust me Jeff, I'm NOT in a "hole". This pathetic personal smear site is of absolutely no consequence whatsoever.

      > How do you define pompous Jerk?

      Instead of answering a simple question, instead it's more name calling. That's about what we expect from the many names of Mike.

      Oh, and are you sure you didn't mean "pompus" jerk?

      Here is an example of how effective this pathetic site has been in smearing Keith Olbermann:

      Yesterday (Wednesday), he beat every show on both CNN networks, his own network, and several Fox shows for the entire 5 - 12 PM prime time demo. He also beat every show on CNN's two networks except Larry King in total viewers.

      No, he isn't beating O'Reilly YET, but give him some more time.

      When this site threw it's little 'I'm gonna shut down' tantrum following the contract renewal, Keith's numbers didn't look anything like they REGULARLY do now.

      As we speak, he is interviewing our likely next president.

      Yep, this site's been REAL effective, hasn't it?

      How do you define "recently"? Does last month count?

      Posted by: johnny dollar at October 11, 2007 8:41 PM


      I think mike's "recently" is 5 minutes. In that case, he would be right!

      the honest effort I have made to do that since the big fuss was made about it the first time months ago.

      Why bother?

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 8:39 PM

      Are you referring to the time you claimed you ONLY posted under mike, woogy and mutt? LOL!!!!

      As we speak, he is interviewing our likely next president.

      Yep, this site's been REAL effective, hasn't it?

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 9:02 PM


      Here we have the classic "divert" card. A common spolbyloon go to......just ask philby/rudy/clucker/jennifer.

      RK, you said you didn't see this coming. I am collapsed on the floor with my jaw hanging open.

      How dare you castigate ME for being obsessed with names when you are a con man to beat all con men.

      Does your loving, supportive wife who laughs with you at all the crazy neocons know of your multiple personalities.

      The icing on the cake is that you are flat out STUPID in addition to dishonest!

      Not one little voice warned you against getting out your biggest ladder and climbing up on it to your highest high horse and pontificating about the vacuity of those who don't like the intellectually dishonest games that you play yourself.

      Grammie

      "Oh and are you sure you didn't mean "pompus" jerk?

      You can decide for yourself what kind of a jerk you are. That depends entirely on which spin you are working on at the moment. How does name obsessing, spell checking "pompu" jerk sound?

      You have an unfair advantage on this site...but you choose to use it only to attempt to embarrass those who disagree with your ineffective personal smear mission.

      > Yesterday (Wednesday), he beat every show on both CNN networks, his own network, and several Fox shows for the entire 5 - 12 PM prime time demo

      Not only does Mike etc make up names, he makes up facts. Since when does "prime time" begin at 5 PM? Since Mike etc needs it to, so he can invent an Olby 'win". In fact, Olby didn't beat ANY fox shows from 8 pm (when prime time actually starts) to midnight. Since viewership leaps at 8:00 pm it's a handy trick from Mike etc to claim Olby beat some show on two or three hours earlier. I've never heard of that sort of ratings analysis but Mike etc is adept at creating things on the fly.

      Janet, when I said "didn't see this coming" I was being sarcastic. He's about as predictable as they come.

      > You have an unfair advantage on this site

      I think you should complain to Mr Cox and insist he do something about it. And perhaps toss in one of your patented rants against hypocrisy. That'll work.

      Janet: "How dare you castigate ME for being obsessed with names when you are a con man to beat all con men."

      Because you ARE obsessing about names and you continue to do it even now.

      Now if Johnny were completely honest, he would now tell you the WHOLE truth about my postings, and not just the part that he deems will make me look the worst.

      Except for a couple of one shots in which I immediately regretted, I HAVE posted pretty much exclusively as 'mike' ever since """YOU""" made a fuss about it many months ago.

      I offer you no apology!

      Rk, I guess little old gray haired are too trusting.

      I remember the little p***K (excuse my French but I am TICKED OFF) crying, whining, moaning and groaning to R Cox and J$ to stop you of accusing him of using other names.

      I would think that a fugitive who made a new life for himself would keep a low profile and not taunt the authorities.

      NOT MIKEY!

      Is there a mechanism to ban people for sheer stupidity if nothing else? :)

      Grammie

      Nice spin again Johnny. While rambling about the definition of "Prime Time", You forgot to address the MAIN point of my post....That KO wasn't pulling numbers anywhere near the numbers he is now just a few months ago....And he wasn't beating CNN across the board regularly the way he is now.

      Janet: "Forgive my French but I am TICKED OFF!

      I don't give a flip, you whiney old right wing bitch!

      Now maybe I just gave you a REAL reason to be TICKED OFF!

      Mike: "
      Except for a couple of one shots in which I immediately regretted, I HAVE posted pretty much exclusively as 'mike' ever since """YOU""" made a fuss about it many months ago.

      I offer you no apology!
      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 9:20 PM"

      Except for the times that I did it, I pretty much didn't do it and I regretted it on those times that I didn't do it except when I was doing it.

      Of course you offer no apology Mikey. Your kind never does and has a remarkable capacity for self justification and absolution.

      Grammie

      > While rambling about the definition of "Prime Time",

      I wouldn't have even brought it up if you hadn't invented your own definition, and dragged in afternoon programs to compare against them. Why is it that making a dishonest argument is perfectly fine, but my pointing out the dishonesty is somehow wrong.

      > beating CNN across the board regularly the way he is now.

      I'd like to see Mike etc back that up. "Regularly" means more than one night, you know. But I don't expect solid facts from Mike etc.

      Janet, you don't know a damned thing about 'my kind', so don't pretend that you do, you self righteous old right wing bitch!

      JD: "I'd like to see Mike back that up."

      All you have to do is look at the recent achives. On the rare occasions that his ratings fell a little recently, you jumped right on it and let everyone know about it.

      But mostly you've been silent about it...for good reason.

      Mike : "I don't give a flip, you whiney old right wing bitch!

      Now maybe I just gave you a REAL reason to be TICKED OFF!
      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 9:28 PM"

      Any bets on whether this is the real Mike or just one pretty close to the real Mike?

      Grammie

      > All you have to do is look at the recent achives.

      Logic per Mike etc: If he makes a claim, he doesn't have to prove it. It's up to everyone else to do his research for him.

      "Any bets on whether this is the real Mike or just one pretty close to the real Mike?"

      Probably no more likely than the Janet that childishly stopped 'speaking' to me because she could sure dish it out but couldn't take it.

      Thats because he has so many personalities to do the work.

      Many hands make light work!

      Grammie

      I quit going over the list about half way through. So the actual number may be around twice what you see above.

      Posted by: johnny dollar at October 11, 2007 6:10 PM


      Holy crap! Are you serious!

      I am just TOO sweet and innocent...

      RK you're the man!

      (Thanks, Johnny!)

      > beating CNN across the board regularly the way he is now.

      The latest quarterly ratings, just out a week or so ago, find Olby losing to Paula Zahn, losing to Anderson Cooper, losing to other CNN broadcasts, both in total viewers and in the "key demo". Thanks for the entertainment, Mike etc.

      JD: "Logic per Mike etc. If he makes a claim he doesn't have to prove it. It's up to everyone else to do the research for him.

      I look at the ratings every day, just like you do....and they are published daily on at least two sites daily. All anyone has to do is go back and look at the day to day ratings recently to back up what I have said...and you know it J$!

      You know, before I started readin this pathetic smear site, I never looked at the ratings. I didn't even know how. I didn't even care. But YOU and your smear tactics made me care! Now I look every day knowing how it must pain you so to see them gradually go up and up and up.

      Take this week....very poor ratings Monday when Shuster subbed, but excellent as usual Tuesday and Wednesday....when KO was back.

      JD: "How do you define "Recently"?"

      How do you define pompous Jerk?.......J O H N N Y D O L L A R !!!

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 8:44 PM


      You skunk!

      JD: "How do you define "Recently"?"

      How do you define pompous Jerk?.......J O H N N Y D O L L A R !!!

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 8:44 PM


      You skunk!

      Cecelia, HOLY CRAP! is right.

      I was not exaggerating much when I said I was on the floor with my jaw hanging out!

      In my post earlier today I used the term "pathological". I had no idea that I had hit the nail on the head.

      Grammie

      Look at Johnny now, turning to the latest "quarterly" ratings, which do not yet reflect the latest dramatic upturn in ratings ..... which I have just been ACCURATELY describing.

      Cecelia:

      "RK you're the man"....Notwithstanding the FACT that Jeff NEVER correctly identified ANY post I EVER made using another name.

      RK, what is wrong with you?

      You got Mikey all upset because you accused him of making posts under other names and they were not his posts.

      You missed his posts under other names.

      All that mewling and puling he did to R Cox, J$ and the world in general was completely justified.

      RK, you're the man with me too.

      Grammie

      Now that Johnny has given you girls (And that includes YOU jeff) something to tittle-tattle about for the next week or so, I think I'll retire for the night. I'm getting bored with this!

      Aww, Mikey doesn't want to play with us anymore so he took his dolls and went home.

      Boo hoo hoo.

      Grammie

      Thats because he has so many personalities to do the work.

      Many hands make light work!

      Grammie

      Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 11, 2007 9:40 PM


      I love his "rightwing bitch" comment, don't you...

      I understood that all his self-vaunted integrity and "I CARE!" exclamations never translated into his feeling that he need act forthrightly with rightwing bitches and bastards....but I had no idea this craven jerk would engage in hour upon hour of denunciations of RK's accusations while having done precisely what he said he didn't do as recently as last month!

      I gathered that Clucker was capable of that, but not this fraud.

      Janet, what we're seeing here is a mentality that argues that it's okay to behave like that because those torture loving war mongers don't deserve any better...

      Instead of Mike thanking Johnny for the patience he displayed in keeping quite for years while he (Mike) larded up the board with insults and denunciations of RK over accusations that were TRUE, he whines...as usual.... that's he's the victim!

      No matter what he does or might do, he'll just wipe his hands and say someone else is worse.


      Now that Johnny has given you girls (And that includes YOU jeff) something to tittle-tattle about for the next week or so, I think I'll retire for the night. I'm getting bored with this!

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 10:02 PM


      You creepy liar!

      RK, you're the man with me too.

      Grammie

      Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 11, 2007 10:01 PM


      RK, I really thought you were either a bit paranoid or just amusing yourself by pushing these folks' rant button.

      I apologize.

      We're not worthy!...

      I really couldn't think of an appropriate response to what transpired. Even the potty mouthed one ducked out pretty early (we know that comment is sure to bring him back).

      Cecelia, besides his campaign against RK he went after Johnny and R Cox lots of times.

      With those brass ones hes got he must clank when he walks. And the absolute stupidity to push your luck like that.

      What an insufferable self righteous prig!
      One good thing, this proves I'm not too old to be surprised.

      You know Mama died at age 100 two years ago this weekend. We used to fuss at her for being so CYNICAL.

      Her response was always that you better GET cynical or you won't live to my age.

      Mama would have chewed up and spit Mikey out before breakfast.

      Grammie

      Cecelia:

      "RK you're the man"....Notwithstanding the FACT that Jeff NEVER correctly identified ANY post I EVER made using another name.

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 9:55 PM

      Mercy!

      He really believe THIS is more important that the fact that RK correctly identified him as a liar who engaged in precisely the behavior he disavowed!

      With the anonymity of the internet, you just never know who is behind the comments. CJ, the soldier I mentioned from A Soldier's Perspective, is identifiable. His web site has pictures, even of his family, in the archives and A Kid's Perspective , a link on the side bar. And you may have missed it but a person named Imagine identified himself by providing the name of his book. I googled it and found his picture, which I am sure he knew anyone could do. SLOB was his usual sanctimonious self and I don't know if Imagine will bother coming back. I appreciated his perspective.

      Now that Johnny has given you girls (And that includes YOU jeff) something to tittle-tattle about for the next week or so, I think I'll retire for the night. I'm getting bored with this!

      Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 10:02 PM

      Good thinking, coward!

      Grammie and Cecelia,

      I guess that is what I found most unbelievable about this whole affair: that Mike continually pushed the limit when he could have been exposed in the midst of an AAP/Mike tag team put down contest of RK. I think $ couldn't care less about being insulted but there is a limit to how much hypocrisy he'll stand.

      Mama would have chewed up and spit Mikey out before breakfast.

      Grammie
      Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 11, 2007 10:24 PM


      From here on out, I'm taking a page off Mama's book, Janet.

      Can you imagine being exposed as having been untruthful and instead of feeling ashamed, turning around and whining that you're being mistreated and calling someone else a dirty name!

      RK, I apologize too. I thought that you had just gotten cross wise with Mikey and, a man thing, didn't want to back off.

      I was wrong.

      Mikey is probably more devious, untrustworthy and contemptible than Patsy and The Flucker put together. That is saying a lot.

      Grammie

      You fine ladies must realize the spolbyloons will crucify you for "defending" me, don't you?

      P.S. Janet, here is a toast to your mother! (raising glass) May she rest in peace.

      I think they are "regrouping" for the moment. Very few people are vindicated like you just have been, RK.

      Cecelia, Mama would definitely consider that her just due. She was one remarkable woman and I miss her.

      I totally agree. I can't imagine doing it, but if I had and were exposed I know I would slink away in shame never to return.

      I keep remembering conversations where Mikey just didn't seem to understand what others meant and claimed that he hadn't said something that he had said very recently.

      It makes perfect sense now.

      HE IS DISHONEST AND SHAMELESS!

      Grammie

      Mikey is probably more devious, untrustworthy and contemptible than Patsy and The Flucker put together. That is saying a lot.

      Grammie

      Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 11, 2007 10:34 PM


      Why would you say that, Janet?

      Because even as we speak he's telling himself how much better he is than his critics?...

      Good to see Mike finally unmasked for what he is-someone who will use multiple names to "support" his little posts and cheerlead himself. What a pathetic joke he is. And he's claiming JD made a cheap shot at him for posting those names becasue he hasn't used those other names in a "long time". I guess that makes it all okay huh Mikey?

      RK, it is our pleasure.

      Besides, we three girls hold our own pretty well, for girls that is. :)

      RK, Mama was a flapper and her cocktail of choice was a straight up Martini in a stem glass. She always said since the bathtub gin in a tin can didn't make her go blind she figured it agreed with her.

      Grammie

      I think they are "regrouping" for the moment. Very few people are vindicated like you just have been, RK.

      Posted by: Sharon at October 11, 2007 10:44 PM


      You're a very close second, girlfriend!

      "Why would you say that, Janet?

      Because even as we speak he's telling himself how much better he is than his critics?...
      Posted by: Cecelia at October 11, 2007 10:51 PM"

      More than that, Cecelia. Patsy relies on profane, obscene insults directed mainly at RK but also towards me and others. He is what he is, AN OBSCENE JERK. He has never gotten on his high horse and berated others for being obscene jerks.

      Flucker is a manipulative pretentious fop. He just wants to join in the gang bang while impressing as many as he can with his superiority.

      There behavior is not admirable but it does not rise to the agent provacuteur behavior of Mikey. Mikey not only absolves himself but is actually proud because he is a superior being and we deserve what he has done and more.

      And that is my sermon for the night. :)

      Grammie

      RK, Mama was a flapper and her cocktail of choice was a straight up Martini in a stem glass. She always said since the bathtub gin in a tin can didn't make her go blind she figured it agreed with her.

      Grammie

      Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 11, 2007 10:53 PM


      In honor of your mother, Janet, this "drunk" wishes to lift a glass to Mama, RK, Sharon, and our resident genius Johnny Dollar, for the public service all of them seem to have rendered in some way or another.

      Thank you Lord for giving some people an abundance of horse sense. May it rub off on all the rest of us.

      Hey Grammie,

      You gals lately have been trying to get people to tone it down with the naughty language. Of course, your suggestion is to no avail.

      For the most part, it's a guy thing. That is how men "debate". If you can't insult the idiot you are arguing with, then it's just no fun at all. Of course, much of the bad language is in the form of accusing somebody of being a member of a sexual minority, to put it mildly. Being a guy, I will throw out the same insults, too.

      But there is another part to it. Lots of unhinged ones from the Left come here to throw a few bombs, and have no intention of engaging in honest debate. They start off with the left hook. We respond in kind, and it degenerates from there.

      I will certainly insult people who are lying to themselves, and who are here to rant and not to debate. I will question their sexual orientation, and even their sanity. That's not too hard to do in some cases. Even you ladies have gotten into the mire on occasion or two. It's fun, isn't it?

      Cecelia, I absolutly (spelling intentional) know Mama is raising her glass too.

      Grammie

      I will certainly insult people who are lying to themselves, and who are here to rant and not to debate. I will question their sexual orientation, and even their sanity. That's not too hard to do in some cases. Even you ladies have gotten into the mire on occasion or two. It's fun, isn't it?

      Posted by: Rico at October 11, 2007 11:07 PM

      sigh...

      and the beat goes on.... and the beat goes on...

      (Everybody sing!... )

      The 11:24 irrelevancy brought to you by clucker, hiding behind anonymity.

      Hey Nobody,

      What are you talking about? You must be delusional. There's nothing there, Dumb Fuck.

      I know, Rico, it is a guy thing.

      And our efforts are a gal thing.

      Sometimes things get completely out of hand. So perhaps you guys should remember that there are gals, like your mothers are gals, here as well. I think the bulk of it comes from a small group of jerks but we gals still have to wade through it.

      There is a big difference between a prime put down, a double entendre and the stream of filth (sorry, I can't think of a better word) that we see here sometimes.

      Rico, you wouldn't make my top 1,000 list of offenders.

      Grammie

      John Doll, you got the poor Flucker so fluckered that he misspelled his own name as "C;ucker"

      If you keep this up I may start making novenas for you.

      Does that ring a bell, Flucker?

      Grammie

      Excuses, excuses excuses!

      Grammie

      but it is the only issue of any importance or interest raised all night.

      Posted by: C;ucker at October 11, 2007 11:41 PM


      Anyone else been around here long enough to remember the days when the issue of ENDLESS importance and interest was shooting off infinite numbers of posts insulting RK over his "false" accusations?...

      Hey Clucker,

      You are the topic right now, Dumb Fuck, not Ann Coulter, not anybody else. Changing the subject is Rule 2b for you unhinged, desperate, screwball leftists.

      Poor Flucker!

      Everyone is picking on him. He stuttered through some excuse for why he misspelled his own name.

      Should we soothe his fevered brow and tell him that he has free reign on this thread to display his intellect and superior cultural achievements unmolested?

      I am kind of soft hearted since I became a Grammie.

      Lets give the boy a break, I say.

      Grammie

      OK, I admit it. it was me. See how childish I can be!

      I'm redstate and I hate muslims! I hate them all. There are no moderates there. we should nuke them and rape their children. that is my view.

      I hate Bob, and yet I am secretly attracted to him. Not that I'm gay. I HATE GAYS. I kill them all. Watch me KILL!

      And the blacks! Those damn liberals! They want to give = rights to those *@##$@! I hate them all!

      Troops! must have Surge! Surge GOOD! BuSh SAY Surge!! GRRRR!! I rightwing hear me roar.

      in my sad moments i sometimes cry. Sometimes I know my penis is small. No, Not SMALL! BIG!!! Watch me WAR!!! WAR GOOD!! Rape the MUSLIMS!


      Posted by: redstate at January 17, 2007 2:42 PM


      Was this Mike hijacking the conservative RedState's name or were both entities his alter-egos?

      I'm curious because we know how much Mike hates stereotyping or dismissing folks based on their political leanings...

      > So, why did you pull the Frost Swift Boating link/article? It did seem like a copyright violation

      Well duh, looks like you answered your own question. You and WDYT etc keep doing cut and pastes of other people's work. Do you steal software too? Hang out on the binary newsgroups and get the latest copy of Word without paying Bill Gates?

      You two keep this up and YOU BOTH will be deleted from this site.

      Lets give the boy a break, I say.

      Grammie

      Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 12, 2007 12:05 AM


      Grammie, in my sadder but wiser capacity, let me remind you that we're talking about grown men here.

      You'd think they'd be a little embarrassed over conducting themselves in a manner that makes denizens at a teen blog look mature in comparison.

      Cecelia, I only meant it in the sense that if we give The Flucker his own playpen the grownups might have a better chance to talk. :)

      Grammie

      Clucker, I deleted one of your cut and pastes (posted without your name, possiby to cover your tracks) just minutes ago. Reminds me of the criminal who says someone must have been using my fingerprints.

      > f you want to "silence" me in one of your periodic ideological purity purges

      Well that's Another Clucker Lie. This site has never had an ideological purge, i've actually never banned anyone here, and you just lied.

      > that is fine too. You'll end up with a site with the Andrew Sisters and Rico.

      Why? Because people like you can't speak unless you steal someone else's words? Your ideas are so vacant that they can only be expressed but what you cut and paste from elsewhere? Sorry, that kind of commenter would not be missed.

      Cecelia, I only meant it in the sense that if we give The Flucker his own playpen the grownups might have a better chance to talk. :)

      Grammie

      Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 12, 2007 12:18 AM

      Good point, but I'd venture to suggest that the world is their playpen one way or another.

      How a person acts when they think they can get away with it is truly who that person is.

      That's my sermon for the night and I'm not preaching it to you, Grammie, you've stated as much many times to people who have said simply abominable things to you.

      In that vein.... I think it would be worthwhile if a few folks joined me in occasionally hitting the OW archive and doing a search on a few nom du jour posts of Mike's once in awhile.

      We might be further enlightened as to who really made certain remarks to you and to others.

      > This afternoon, I copied a non-copyrighted Word document, the Bill of Rights and the 11th Amendment.

      That's nice. I was talking about minutes ago, but whatever.

      > And your, Mr Dollar, and your Two Bit websites can go straight to hell.

      Does that mean you're leaving? Really? Promise?!?

      Wow, The Flucker's urbane sophistication seems to be crumbling tonight.

      You will pardon me, I hope, if I gloat for a bit.

      Grammie

      Hey Clucker,

      Can I unapologize now?

      ow, if you want to "silence" me in one of your periodic ideological purity purges, that is fine too. You'll end up with a site with the Andrew Sisters and Rico. In other words, you'll have a site with very few hits, indeed. People can take only so much gab and boredom.

      Posted by: Clucker at October 12, 2007 12:20 AM


      What have you done without him, Johnny....

      Hey Grammie,

      I have to tell you the most fun leftist screwball who has ever been on this site was that screwball Richard, who appeared from nowhere last week and apparently flamed out after a few days. He was so much fun.

      clucker/philby/etc. Shouldn't you be out chasin' mountain lions and fighting them with your bare hands?

      He is on the new thread, Rico. Stop in and say hello!

      Rico, I assume you mean "THE DICK"?

      You will remember I did say that double entendres are AOK? :)

      Grammie

      Grammie,

      I think you need a new handle, something a little more sassy : )

      Clucker,

      I was betting you would be gone for at least half an hour. Damn, you outsmarted me!

      > Beyond that, I have nothing to say to you.

      Well, maybe you should say you have nothing to say three or four more times. Just to make sure it's clear that you have nothing to say.

      Grammie,

      You are getting as bad as my Mom.

      Cecelia, that is the essence of what we have all been talking around tonight. You always go to the heart of the matter in very few words.

      "How a person acts when they think they can get away with it is truly who that person is."

      I have no doubt that we all have some family and friends who are 'Jekyll and Hyde' when they have had too much to drink. Peas in a pod to our fraudulent trolls.

      It is a distinction without a difference.

      Grammie

      "Grammie,

      You are getting as bad as my Mom.
      Posted by: Rico at October 12, 2007 12:53 AM "

      Rico, I take that as a compliment as I am sure you intended it.

      Thank you!

      Grammie

      Just posting anything to get Patsy's off the board.

      Grammie

      FUCK YOU! Grummpies!

      Just posting anything to get Patsy's off the board.

      Grammie

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      Posted by: Why don't you think at October 13, 2007 3:10 PM


      Nothing could be better for both parties. It's going to be harder and harder for those leftists who are also antagonistic to political activism among people of faith, to pinpoint it to one party.

      I predict such campaigns by Catholics United will be met with a burgeoning "tolerance" for politics mediated by religious faith....., as well as assurances that "we always loved ya, man...." from leftists...

      It'll be a spiritual experience... if you will... :D

      Was there a point?

      Was there a point?
      Posted by: royal king at October 14, 2007 10:08 PM

      Hey look. I agree with RK! :)

      ...

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