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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    October 31, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - October 31, 2007

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • PRESIDENT BUSH AND CONGRESS: Howard Fineman, Newsweek senior Washington correspondent and MSNBC political analyst; James Moore, huffingtonpost.com contributor and co-author of "Bush's Brain"
    • WATERBOARDING: Bruce Fein, fmr. Reagan associate attorney general
    • 2008 ELECTION: Craig Crawford, CQPolitics.com columnist and MSNBC political analyst; Jim Morris, political humorist and impressionist

    Something Olbermann This Way Comes: The President wants a "rubber stamp" [Ding!], he's going to (gasp!) issue administrative orders, Mukasey nomination is in "crisis" [Ding!], "Saint Rudy" [Ding!], Roger Ailes [Ding!], and more. It's hump day at Olbermann Watch.

    Bathtub Boy

    #5: "Mister" Bush is destroying democracy because he is going to issue administrative orders. Horrors! No President has ever done that before! "Mister" Bush "bashes" Democrats. "Mister" Bush is running the country "by executive fiat". Olby suggested the Congress should stop all funding to the Executive Branch. The Pundit for All Occasions was again a bland sycophant. Great thanks.

    Karen Hughes resigned. Reference to Blackwater [Ding!]. "Bush's Brain" [Ding!] Guy brought in to advance the notion that Ms Hughes is delusional and a butt-kissing toady and "Mister" Bush wants to be a dictator. Great thanks. Teaser for upcoming political segment: Joe Biden in the debate takes a shot at Giuliani. (On OlbyPlanet, that is the big news from the event.)

    #4: The AG nomination fight. Clips from anti-AG Democrats: Leahy (D), Durbin (D). Clips from pro-AG Republicans: don't be silly, this is The Hour of Spin; you know Olby ain't gonna be fair or balanced. Fein was again miseadingly introduced as a "former Reagan" administration member, but we at Olbermann Watch know of his sharp turn to the left. If he hadn't taken that fork in the road, he never would have arrived at OlbyPlanet. "Blank check" [Ding!]. Great thanks.

    #3: Debate politics. Yep, the Big News out of the debate is: Biden attacked Giuliani! Oh, and Giuliani is a plagiarist. Debate clip: Biden attacks Giuliani, Giuliani responds. Hillary tried to "split the middle" on illegal alien drivers licenses; clips of that exchange. As Olbermann's Brain chuckled onto the set, Merkle started off by asking several questions about... Hillary? Nope. Biden vs Giuliani! Now we know Keithy's plan to spin Hillary's embarrassing performance--change the subject and launch Project Rudy yet again! Then it was on to Obama, Edwards, and finally the licenses issue. When Oralmann started out "It sounds to me, and maybe I'm being naive..." you know The Spin Starts Here. Oh, she was looking for an ad-hoc solution to an unsolved problem, she was "unfairly hounded", yada yada yada. Will Fat Ass ever get his head out of that Clinton orafice? (Hint: No.) Great thanks.

    After a "Fixed News" [Ding!] reference: #2: Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan. #1: Political comedy with Jim Morris with lots of fake laughter from Dan Olbermahn. In the Media Matters Minute, Herr Olbermahn went after John Gibson of "Fox Noise" [Ding!] (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters) and Mort Kondracke of "Fixed News" [Ding!] (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters). Yep, another night of straight from the Media Matters website to Dan Olbermahn's teleprompter.

    OLBY

    Dogs That Did Not Bark: Good old Bathtub Boy. Whenever there's a terror-related arrest, he's right there to ridicule it. Like he did with the Fort Dix plotters, the "morons", according to Olby. The "supposed plot" doesn't "hold together that well", he ruled. It was just a "dubious fantasy". But what do you know? The first of the Fort Dix Six today entered a plea of guilty. And all of sudden Edward R Olbermoronn has nothing to say on the subject. Not a word. This is why we call it The Hour of Spin.

    MisterMeter

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name is #12,433 on amazon, while "Culture Warrior" is #6,552. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) Barnes & Noble has the OlbyTome dropped to #87,151; O'Reilly's book is #2,428 there,--and it's now out in paperback! Amazon lists the paperback at #372, while the paperback edition of Oralmann's book is, well, only a gleaming wish in Krazy Keith's eye. On Tuesday the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann eked out a second place finish again, but still lost overwhelmingly to the eeevil O'Reilly, both in total viewers and in the coveted, pivotal, much-beloved, critical, all-important "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 7 [HIGH]


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (139) | | View blog reactions

    139 Comments

    If all mail in accusations of child abuse - assaulting his girlfriend at a Harry Potter book-signing - will KO stop talking about Brittany Spears?

    Keith seems to worry that waterboarding MIGHT kill an enemy combatant.

    If waterboarding did not produce the required results, good bye and good riddance.

    When the Islamofascists start wearing uniforms and have a government speak on their behalf, by all means, let us confirm to the Geneva Convention. Until then however, they are nothing but terrorists and sabotours, deserving nothing better than a shot thru the heart.

    FrankTheTank: "If waterboarding did not produce the desired results, good bye and good riddance."

    Once again, 'FrankTheTank', what you people don't seem to get is that the torture debate is about US.....NOT them!

    It's about upholding OUR values as Americans. The same values that have served us so well for well over 200 years. If America has no values...then WHO are we? What do we stand for anymore?

    It's about being BETTER than your enemy is and proudly telegraphing those values to the rest of the world.

    It's about upholding our Constitutionally mandated value of having utter contempt for cruel and unusual punishment against ANY human being, regardless of what they have done or what their perceived status is.

    It's NOT about having empathy or sympathy for a terrorist, if indeed, that is what they really are.

    It's about PRINCIPAL Franky.

    Why do you people have so much trouble understanding how important it is for America to uphold PRINCIPAL...at all cost????

    Without freedom what good are principals. Dying on great principals is stupid.

    "Without freedom what good are principals"

    Without principals, what good is freedom?
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Dying on great principals is stupid."

    As Americans, We have always fought for PRINCIPALS, and freedom is but one principal.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    I never thought I would see other AMERICANS talking like this!

    Here's the Olbermann show:
    Bush bad!
    Islam good!
    Iran good!
    Hillary great!
    Rudy evil!
    Celebreaty gossip.
    WPITHW aka Stalinist minute!

    Nice show!

    Just a quick question without getting into a whole row over this, I know it irritates you that Olbermann calls President Bush "Mister Bush" but they do that on pretty much all news shows (including Fox and CNN). Why is this one of the things that bugs you when it's a fairly common practice, at least in cable news (and was the same for Clinton)? I'm honestly not tryng to start some sort of flame war, I'm just curious if there's something about it I'm missing.

    God's paperback book is # 6 on the libby lover's NYT. Poor basehisballmann is where? Only a oralmann can lose to such an evilmann! LMAO Read and weep ye little moronic symbols of the American public scum, opps meant school, system.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/04/books/bestseller/1104bestpapernonfiction.html

    Wake up Mike! We are dealing with people who are trying to kill us. Principles aren't going to do you any good when your dead. Dunking terrorists in water saves lives. Dunking Khalid Sheikh Mohammad in water saved lives. And is it really torture when you have media guys like Steve Harrigan of Fox News, a pasty little midget guy, volunteering to do it? Even when we dunked Khalid Sheikh Mohammad in water, afterwards he was sipping on some tea and shooting the breeze. He was just fine.

    It's about PRINCIPAL Franky.

    Why do you people have so much trouble understanding how important it is for America to uphold PRINCIPAL...at all cost????


    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 9:15 PM


    Good to see Crazy Mikey the libby with the PHDUH in Spelling still spewing his principle's crap. Hey Mikey, name one American soldier that wasn't tortured, who's life was spared during war time. Any war. Pick your WAR Mikey. I'm waiting.......In your little world I bet you could talk your way out of having your head cut off by doing what? being a traitor? not gonna help ya! When your use is no longer effective you are, what Mikey? Slaughtered? Handed a Golden Key? Given 72 Virgins? or just DEAD? Do tell Mikey.

    Mikey do tell the names of all terrorist caught trying to KILL AMERICAN'S on the BATTLEFIELD that have died from WATERBOARDING! So you libonutt's believe all near drowning victims should be allowed to sue the Givernment because G.W.Bush didn't drain all water from the country. How dare we allow anyone to feel like that might be drowning.

    James Mikey is a basement dweller that believe's like elf man that if we kiss ass we'll be safe. Moron's like that have no clue of history. They are the first to be eliminated when their friends come to power. See USSR, KOREA, CUBA, CAMBODIA and I could go on. But The Mikey's of the world are the reason this country has turned into 90% WIMP, aka PUSYY and only 10% STRONG, aka, TAKE NO SHIT!

    James: "Wake up Mike".

    I wish I had a dollar for every time a right winger has told me to "wake up" on this blog.
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    No, you're the ones who are 'asleep' on this. Principals are who we are, and when it comes right down to it, principals are all we have.

    The Geneva convention calls waterboarding torture. We helped write it. We enforced and cited it for years, And villified any nation that did not adhere to it. Now SOME of us think it's OK to abandon accepted and cherished principals as a means to a end.

    I know you don't believe this, but the good news is that we don't even NEED torture. It backfires! Our principals have served us well for a long, long time, and there is NO reason to abandon them now.

    YOU say torture "saves lives". Maybe in a few isolated cases here and there, but it also works against us in ways that are FAR more important. It increases the hatred and mistrust of America among those who were uncertain before. It increases recruitment for Al Qeada and other extremists that ultimately costs FAR MORE lives than any that might have been saved.

    No James....YOU wake up! This is supposed to be America! We can and will tear ourselves apart from within if we continue to abandon our principals as a means to an end.

    Why do I always find myself trying to appeal to the HUMANITY of right wingers? You Republicans USED to say you stood for principals, at least you did back when it was politically convenient to do so.

    What happened?

    Mikey have you talked to the missing soldier's in Iraq if YOUR LIBBY VIEW of PRINCIPLE'S for the ENEMY has kept them ALIVE? Do tell MIkey. You must have first hand knowledge of how PRINCIPLE'S during WAR keep CAPTURED AMERICAN SOLIDER'S ALIVE!

    The Geneva convention calls waterboarding torture

    And the last tme GENEVA has fought a WAR is??? Waiting Mikey. And when was the last time our ENEMIES worried about what the Geneva nut's had to say? Do tell MIkey.

    and the last time the GENEVA CONVENTION MILITARY fought a WAR was??? Do tell Mikey.

    Scotty baby, what I know and understand about history would literally overwhelm your petty little brain.

    what military did you serve in? When and where did you ever put your life on the line for your country? What little dream world that you live in makes you think calling someone else a "wimp" on an ononymous discussion board a man? What is it about cheering on torture that makes YOU brave?

    No, people like you are so small, and it makes your side look smaller just by the association.

    I wondered when someone incapable of arguing issues would join in and start flame throwing, and I knew it was going to happen.

    You brave little man you.....LOL!

    > I'm just curious if there's something about it I'm missing.

    Well you might check our FAQ (link in left column) but I'll just say that it's not just the Mister, but also the Way he says Mister, plus the sheer number of Times he says "Mister" Bush. Recently he did so something like a dozen times in the course of just ten minutes. Contrasted with his obsequious references to "President Clinton". I can't recall the last time I heard him refer to "Mister" Clinton.

    It's all part of a code to the netroots; using "Mister" obsessively is a signal that it's not Really "President" Bush, because he didn't Really win, because the votes weren't Really counted etc etc. So every night the MisterMeter totes 'em out and records the result for history. I think it went over 24 on one program.

    Hotair.com caught KO in a lie from Tuesday show...

    mlong...which one..lol.. was it? I can't get my video player to work

    This is how the enemy was treated when we were serious about conducting and winning a war.

    Gosh Mikey, I hope this does not offend your good sensibilities.

    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/SoldiersKilled.html


    Execution of SS soldiers at Dachau

    "The killing of unarmed POWs did not trouble many of the men in I company that day for to them the SS guards did not deserve the same protected status as enemy soldiers who have been captured after a valiant fight. To many of the men in I company, the SS were nothing more than wild, vicious animals whose role in this war was to starve, brutalize, torment, torture and murder helpless civilians." Flint Whitlock, The Rock of Anzio, From Sicily to Dachau: A history of the U.S. 45th Infantry Division

    Wow, just goes to show how even a small minded flame thrower like "Scott" can teach you SOMETHING! I just mispelled the word "principle".....several times, no less, and I knew better!

    Sorry about that.

    No Olby's wig, you can't possibly "offend my sensibilities".

    The very fact that you think you can makes it clear you don't understand the importance of upholding principle. My sensibilities are entirely beside the point.

    And the well known fact that individual soldiers and units abandoned their principles under the diress and stress of combat does NOT justify officially sanctioning or justifying torture.

    Yes, it happens in every war, and that's exactly why we should choose our wars far more carefully than this one was chosen.

    AH MIKEY..wrong move little girly boy. Of course you have no answer to any of my questions so being the MAN that unlike you, I am I will answer. Now get ready MIKEY. READY? SURE? OKAY HERE WE GO!

    what military did you serve in?
    The United Staes Military DUMBASS!

    When and where did you ever put your life on the line for your country

    Panama and on call up for GULF 1

    What little dream world that you live in makes you think calling someone else a "wimp" on an ononymous discussion board a man?

    Be happy to meet you anytime. And I didn't say "wimp" I said "PUSSY" get my words correct MIKEY PHDUH of Spelling

    What is it about cheering on torture that makes YOU brave?

    What is it about loving terrorist's and those killing AMERICAN TROOPS that makes you a scumbag?

    No, people like you are so small, and it makes your side look smaller just by the association

    I don't recall ask about your size there MIKEY! Sorry MIKEY, I love WOMEN! Maybe OSAMA might be able to use you.

    I wondered when someone incapable of arguing issues would join in and start flame throwing, and I knew it was going to happen.

    Ah, are you MAD MIKEY? You can''t answer anything like the good "little" Osama said so MIKEY, isse I raised to you.

    So there MIKEY. Guess we now have proven who the MAN is. Now go chase your tail three times and pray to Oralmann.

    No Olby's wig, you can't possibly "offend my sensibilities
    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 10:44 PM


    Olby's wig, MIKEY has no sensibilities. That's why he's a lib. I bet he's seen UFO's too and Dennis gave him an anal probe.

    Scott, the brave little internet flame thrower sez: "Guess we have now proven who the MAN is."

    When, and HOW did you "prove" that, my little filthy mouthed internet flame thrower?

    Was it that "On call" for Gulf 1 that makes you such a man? Oh wait, it was that little 1 day "war" in Panama. I remember that....hell, I used to live in Panama. Now THAT was a dangerous place to be!

    What can I do but laugh at such punchless bluster?

    Ah what a good little oralmann lover. No answer's to any of my argument's so let's stoop to the level lowest level. That of a butt sniffing little coward that has no answer's for their own argument's. Did mommy drop you on your "head"?

    My understanding of the Geneva Convention is that it is to be honored by countries whose soldiers wear their country's uniform.

    What uniform do the Islamofascist terrorists wear?
    How can we even be talking about "CIVILIANS" in the war in Iraq? The terrorists are all civilians, out of uniform.

    Principles are OK, but interests are far more important. (No pun intended!) And my interest is SAFETY and staying alive!

    Scott, the brave little internet flame thrower sez: "Guess we have now proven who the MAN is

    Yes we have MIKEY. I answered your questions and the criket's are still chirping witng for your's. Now get back upstairs and shave mommies bunions if you can't back up your statements and my argument's against your "statements" aka BULLSHIT. Now get to work MIKEY..Bunions or FACTS.

    Frank the Tank..Uniforms mean nothing to the MIKEY'S of the world. As long as they HATE AMERICA and OUR TROOPS they are entitled to more rights then you and me.

    Anon 10:48: "you mean, just call you an asshole, Scotty?"

    No, that's what this filthy mouthed flame throwing jerk wants. Everyone who reads this can see what an asshole he is.

    Everyone else can also see the idiocy and hypocrisy of calling someone else a "coward", "wimp", or "pussy" on a anonymous internet discussion board because they don't like their views, .... and then laughably claim that they just asked me some "questions".

    I love to see beligerant right wing morons like Scott vent on this board. It makes my point like nothing else could.

    I'm just playing with him a little and he's stupid enough to think he made me "mad".

    Scotty turned hardcore after the republicans lost the Congress in 06.
    After they lose again in 08', Scotty will be known in the same breath as Ted Bundy and John Wayne Gacy.

    Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:00 PM

    Is this you KEITHY? Don't you have a little girl to go home to? Ah that's right only baseball cards and harry can make you a feel like a tough guy. Only a oralmann lover hides behind a no name post.

    And the well known fact that individual soldiers and units abandoned their principles under the diress and stress of combat does NOT justify officially sanctioning or justifying torture.

    Yes, it happens in every war, and that's exactly why we should choose our wars far more carefully than this one was chosen.

    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 10:44 PM


    I don't think that any of the soilders "abandoned their principles under the diress and stress of combat" as you call it. They recognized the nature of the enemy in form of them and they delt with them accoringly. Read the entire story.

    I can hear you and your hero the Jock-sniffer now. Have you no shame Mr. Truman ..... Resign!

    The American soldiers who were involved in the Dachau massacre were court-martialled, but the papers were torn up and then burned by General George S. Patton, Commander of the US Third Army.

    At the proceedings against the Waffen-SS soldiers accused of the Malmedy Massacre during the Battle of the Bulge, which were held in a building inside the former SS training camp at Dachau, any mention by the defense that American soldiers had killed German POWs, was ordered stricken from the record by the judges of the American Military Tribunal.

    Our filthy mouthed internet hero 'Scotty" chimes in again: "uniforms mean nothing to the Mikeys of the world."

    Naw, Scotty, I guess my own uniform 'mean't nothing' to me during the Vietnam War? Now THAT was a war!.....PANAMA!....You've GOT to be kidding me bro?

    This has to be KEITHY. Unable to read post's, opps I mean lies even about things in front of his 4 eyes. It's okay KEITHY, my DOG CAN'T DRIVE or READ EITHER!

    But Olby, your wartime examples of soldiers under duress is hardly the same as the Commander in Chief trashing the Geneva Convention and publicly defending torture.

    I understand the former but I have nothing but contempt for the latter.

    Our filthy mouthed internet hero 'Scotty" chimes in again: "uniforms mean nothing to the Mikeys of the world."

    Naw, Scotty, I guess my own uniform 'mean't nothing' to me during the Vietnam War? Now THAT was a war!.....PANAMA!....You've GOT to be kidding me bro?

    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 11:10 PM
    You are too much fun MIKEY. Playing ARMY AGAIN MIKEY? Notice you left otu GULF 1 and still have not answered any of my questions to you MIKEY. You served in VIETNAM like my dog served in WW1. Now get upstairs and scrape mommies BUNIONS.

    Our filthy mouthed internet hero 'Scotty" chimes in again: "uniforms mean nothing to the Mikeys of the world."

    Naw, Scotty, I guess my own uniform 'mean't nothing' to me during the Vietnam War? Now THAT was a war!.....PANAMA!....You've GOT to be kidding me bro?

    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 11:10 PM
    You are too much fun MIKEY. Playing ARMY AGAIN MIKEY? Notice you left otu GULF 1 and still have not answered any of my questions to you MIKEY. You served in VIETNAM like my dog served in WW1. Now get upstairs and scrape mommies BUNIONS.

    Our filthy mouthed internet hero 'Scotty" chimes in again: "uniforms mean nothing to the Mikeys of the world."

    Naw, Scotty, I guess my own uniform 'mean't nothing' to me during the Vietnam War? Now THAT was a war!.....PANAMA!....You've GOT to be kidding me bro?

    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 11:10 PM
    You are too much fun MIKEY. Playing ARMY AGAIN MIKEY? Notice you left otu GULF 1 and still have not answered any of my questions to you MIKEY. You served in VIETNAM like my dog served in WW1. Now get upstairs and scrape mommies BUNIONS.

    Olbermann is a 1 trick poney.
    It's a shame people like Mike worship him as a messaih!

    Olby' Wig, I was aware of US soldiers retaliating re Malmedy and some soldiers taking righteous, to my mind, vengeance at liberated death camps in Germany.

    I have never heard of the rest of the story as you have related it above.

    I would appreciate any direction you could give to me to learn more about it.

    Thanks,

    Grammie

    It's okay MIKEY. You can't answer any questions or back up any statement's with FACT'S. It's okay, all you LIBBY'S have a truth problem. Name calling only get's you so far KEITHY LOVER. Maybe someday you'll be able to brag about being a #1 with KEITHY but, the fact' speak for themselves as does history. You'll always be lower than #2 so move on. Go scrape mmmies bunions and maybe mommy will give you some luvin'.

    Scotty the foul mouthed internet tough guy chiming in again (He's so much fun!):

    Playing Army AGAIN MIKEY?.....Air Force actually, cyberspace tough guy!

    As for your so called "questions" tough guy, you don't have the priviledge of demanding 'answers' for beligerantly posed rhetorical questions from me....that is unless you want to tone it down and stop acting like a total jerk?

    Hey new Democratic Primary poll!

    It’s getting close!

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 30&
    Hugo Cahvez 29%
    Osama Bin Laden 25%
    Sheik Hassan Nasrallah 10%

    Oh, and Rosie? Remember these three magic words the next time you see a minion of the Big Giant Head: Malmedy, Mackris and Loofah. Works every time.

    Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:15 PM

    Post under a name. Don't be scared KEITHY, MIKEY. It's okay. You outed yourself long ago. Just ask your little girly.

    Stuff a sock in it, Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:24 PM!

    Grammie

    and the DemonNUT Congress is at 11% which ranks them lower than BINNY BOY. MIkey's dream Lover.
    See MIKEY we NON-BUSH Republicans adjust to the ENEMY. WE FIGHT TO WIN..WE DO SHOW THE LOVE of KKKBYRDMANN! LMAO

    The foul mouthed internet tough guy who calls himself "Scott" actually seems to believe he's talking to Keith Olbermann.

    Maybe he's just drunk and is going to see tomorrow what a total ass he just made outta hisself on this blog tonight?

    'for being too afraid to be a man and speak to Rosie O�Donnell"

    This coming from the man who banned all opposing viewpoints on his show...and couldn't even handle dissent from Jakie Mason when he appeared on KO's show and dared disagree with him.

    By the way KO...O'Reilly wants O'Donnell on his show to address her claims about 9/11 being an inside job...so he's not afraid to speak to her..unlike you who wouldn't have the courage to have any of the people you attack everynite come on and challenge you.

    Mike has spoken quite a few times about his military experience.
    Scotty has spoken quite a few times to illustrate why he fits in perfectly with the other chickenhawks at this site like Cee, RK, Benson, Pucketc.

    A pathetic bunch of nothings they are !

    Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:21 PM

    So this is KEITHY potty hugger, bathtub lover or MIKEY belongs at the pound. Talking 3rd person is a sign of stupidity and/or insanity. Okay, I guess this is why KEITHY,MIKEY love themselves and can back up nothing they say when challenged with facts.

    This coming from someone who voted for Bush, twice.
    Does the irony of your dumbass comments ever even make you think, just a little ?

    Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:27 PM

    I DID? WOW. Those harry the fairy books made you a wizard and a mind reader. But WRONG AGAIN there sniffy.

    "So this is KEITHY potty hugger, bathtub lover or MIKEY belongs in the pound. Talking 3rd person is a sign of stupidity and'or insanity. Okay, I guess this is why KEITHY,MIKEY love themselves and can back up nothing they say when challenged with facts."

    Can someone translate this garble for me?

    What? You mean Tim Russert wasn't named WPIW tonight for those unfair questions he asked Hillary about Spitzer's driver's license plan. Even though he asked a follow-up question? And was the meanie who teamed up with Rick Lazio to hound Hillary in the 2000 senatorial debate in Buffalo? I'm shocked, stunned and deeply disappointed. I'm sure it was a mistake, and Keith will correct this oversight on Thursday's show.

    Olby' Wig, I was aware of US soldiers retaliating re Malmedy and some soldiers taking righteous, to my mind, vengeance at liberated death camps in Germany.

    I have never heard of the rest of the story as you have related it above.

    I would appreciate any direction you could give to me to learn more about it.

    Thanks,

    Grammie


    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at October 31, 2007 11:19 PM


    Follow the links below. The first link is the sort of the Quasi Home page. The second link is for the massacre. As you read the story, there will be additional links at the bottom of the page. Follow them.

    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/


    http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapbook/DachauLiberation/SoldiersKilled.html

    John,
    Tim Russert works for NBC so Olbermann doesn't attack him.

    we NON-BUSH Republicans adjust to the ENEMY.

    So now he's "non-Bush".Voted for the man, twice, but now disowns him. And what enemy do you THINK you are fighting ?
    Play soldier much, Scott ?

    Scott: Turd of the day !

    Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:40 PM

    It's okay KEITHY. You're so right just like your show, LMAO. I answered that many post's ago KEITHY. Read lard ass. Opps sorry. Forgot you can't read or drive. What's is it like to be a lib, a coward, a moron too stupid to pass a driving test? Inquiring minds want to know how someone
    on tv can be such a little wimp. Now get to work and answer my posts or you better name me WPITW. If not that means you are just a little fatass wimpy boy that would get his ass kicked by ELFMANN's WIFE.

    "So this is KEITHY potty hugger, bathtub lover or MIKEY belongs in the pound. Talking 3rd person is a sign of stupidity and'or insanity. Okay, I guess this is why KEITHY,MIKEY love themselves and can back up nothing they say when challenged with facts."

    Can someone translate this garble for me?

    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 11:43 PM


    No Problem. It means John and Elizabeth Edwards said you screwed up the Simoniz job on the new CL600. . Biff.

    An AP story on Monday quoted Rudy Giuliani as saying:

    "This is the world we live in. It's not this happy, romantic-like world where we'll negotiate with this one, or we'll negotiate with that one and there will be no preconditions, and we'll invite (Iranian President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad to the White House, we'll invite Osama (bin Laden) to the White House," Giuliani said.

    "Hillary and Obama are kind of debating whether to invite them to the inauguration or the inaugural ball," he added.


    The quote caused a stir among anti-Rudy bloggers, with TPM running with it and Andrew Sullivan writing, "This is literally insane. If he is starting with this kind of unhinged claim, where will he end up?" Keith Olbermann fumed, "A year before the election and Rudy Giuliani is already publicly contending the Democrats are willing to invite Osama bin Laden to the White House to negotiate. Sure they are, buster."

    The only problem is, the quote wasn't accurate.

    While watching this video of the Olbermann segment portraying Giuliani as "Bush on steroids," I noticed that Giuliani (around the 1 minute mark) did not say Osama, but Assad. As in, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, one of the many leaders of hostile regimes that leading Democrats have said they would negotiate with without preconditions. This is consistent with a point Giuliani made at the Republican Jewish Coalition earlier this month:

    This is the great fallacy in this now very strong Democratic desire to negotiate, negotiate, negotiate and negotiate. You’ve got to know with whom to negotiate and with whom you should not negotiate. When Barack Obama, a couple of months ago, said that he would invite Ahmadinejad, Assad, Castro and Chavez — did I miss somebody — to Washington in the first year that he’s in office to meet with them, without preconditions, when he was condemned by Hillary Clinton, who now has joined his position...

    Video here.

    Now, it's perfectly accurate for Giuliani to hit Obama for wanting to invite Ahmadinejad and Assad to Washington, as Obama said he was willing to do here. Clinton later joined him, at least on Iran, here. If you want to argue that Giuliani went overboard by joking that the Democrats "are kind of debating whether to invite them to the inauguration or the inaugural ball," that's one thing. But clearly what sensationalized this entire story is the idea that Giuliani was saying that Democrats want to invite Osama bin Laden to the White House. That's a claim that Giuliani clearly did not make, and the AP, as well as bloggers who picked up the story, and Olbermann, should correct the error.

    UPDATE: Sullivan and the AP have issued corrections.

    Olbermann used the same lie to smear Rudy because the blue blogs used the same AP smear. Olbermann is no journalist, he is a propagandist.

    Scott and Cecelia are drinking buddies.

    Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:44 PM

    Hey Cee, never have spoken with you but KEITHY/MIKEY say we ar drinking buddies. So lets chug a BEER and KICK THEIR ASS. Opps, not politically correct. Let's consume an adult beverage and introduce our feet to their behind. LMAO you make it to easy LIBBY.

    "No problem, it means John and Elizabeth Edwards said you screwed up the Simonize job on the new CL600. . Biff."

    Damn....I guess that means I won't get this week's $10,000 bonus!

    Can someone translate this garble for me?

    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 11:43 PM


    I'll say it again MIKEY. It's okay, my dog can't read either!

    Cmon Scott. Since you just implied you DIDN'T vote for Bush twice, cough it up who you voted for?

    crickets.

    Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:52 PM

    I voted for YUU. Your mommy said you were bestest BUNION SCRAPER in the WORLD.

    Scott: "I'll say it again MIKEY. It's okay, my dog can't read either!"

    Obviously, your dog can't smell either, ... or he'd have been long gone.

    crickets.

    Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:52 PM

    That's your mind on liberalism.

    "No problem, it means John and Elizabeth Edwards said you screwed up the Simonize job on the new CL600. . Biff."

    Damn....I guess that means I won't get this week's $10,000 bonus!

    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 11:58 PM


    I'd get a lawyer on that if I were you.

    Scott's such an honest and tough guy , but he's scared to tell us who he voted for in 2000 and 2004.
    We understand, Scotty.
    Your embarrassment is our delight !

    Posted by: at November 1, 2007 12:01 AM


    Nah, I use a name. So you must be on a super secert mission for the HIA or the EIA or the MARTIAN's that visted your big daddy the K'mann. It's okay little girls. Keithy will still love ya. Just ask the "K" "woman?."

    Thanks, Olby's Wig.

    Grammie

    "Nah, I use a name. So you must be on a secert mission for the HIA or the EIA or the MARYIAN's that visted your bid daddy the K'mann. "It's okay little girls. Keithy will still love ya. Just ask the "K" woman?"

    Whats missing from the above is the rap beat that normally accompanies such street talk.

    The home boys get it, though!

    Obviously, your dog can't smell either, ... or he'd have been long gone.

    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 12:01 AM

    Nope "HE" can't and your daddy could?.. you can't tell the difference between a female and a male. SAD MIKEY SAD "he" you sexist LIB. Thought you LIBS didn't see color or sex. You been sniffing my dog??..LMAO when there is no thing it's a female MIKEY, when there is, it's a male.. Tell mommy after her bunion scraping to show you the difference between a male and a female. okay that might not work..go to the library and get a book, MIKEY!

    Notice Olby's wig won't wager on Olby's hair.
    Just another chickenshit chickenhawk.

    Posted by: at November 1, 2007 12:13 AM

    Why's he going to wage anything? You have nothing to wage. Mommy hasn't given you your allowance yet.

    It is amazing how these Olbermann apologists can watch this guy spin for Hillary Clinton like he is one of her campaign workers. Even the left wing socialist at the Times and Washington Post think that Hillary had her worst debate performance and yet Olbermann spins. Hillary even whined about Mr. Potato head Tim Russert being too tuff on her. Why didn't Olbermann make Russert worst person? Where is his beloved manhood quotient? Obamanation, who essentially is auditioning for the VP role, even raked her over the coals. It is amazing to see that the liberals don't even pick their presidential candidates anymore. The Democratic Party is exactly like the old communist party in the USSR. The party leaders get together and they decide who is going to run for president and then tell their zombies to go out and vote. No wonder no one watches their debates. Their candidate has already been picked.

    Scotty: "You been sniffing my dog??"

    Hell, no! I'd have to get under your trailer to do that.

    Poor dog!

    So THIS will be your GOP candidate?
    A guy whose own family can't even stand him ?

    Good choice for the values voters.
    hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    Posted by: at October 31, 2007 11:58 PM

    And your "candidate" will be a woman that can't control her "man".

    "Scott has become incoherent."

    When was he coherent?

    Scott has become incoherent."

    When was he coherent?

    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 12:23 AM

    You are a trip there MIKEY. I guess English is a foriegn language to you. I've been waiting 3 hours for you to answer my argument's to your stupidity. Did scrape mommies bunion's yet. If so then go back, red and answer or are you jt a little libby that spews and talks tough to hide no answer's for your own argument's. Do you go to the church of Phelp's by chance?

    Her family loves and respects her, unlike Rudy's. LOL!!!!!

    Yeah, thats why Billy had some fat chick blow him in the Oval office while he stuck as cigar up her. He sure does respect Hillary. LOL.


    Her family loves and respects her, unlike Rudy's.

    Rudy's campaign revolves around one thing.:9/11
    Did this country make that mistake in 2004?

    Think this country will make the same mistake again?
    I don't either !

    Posted by: at November 1, 2007 12:27 AM

    They "love and respect her". You relly can't be that freaking stupid can you? Love and respect her means cheating and degrading and humiliating her is "love and respect" in the LIBBY world. Thanks for pointing out what "love and respect" towards a woman means in the world of LIBERAL'S. Must be why you LIBERAL'S love those misunderstood suicide bomber's killing OUR TROOP'S. It's that liberal "LOVE and RESPECT"!

    Factor, I can't picture Margaret Thacher mewling and puling about anyone being mean and nasty to her.

    Is Hillary a strong person capable of rising to any challenge or is she a simpering weak woman that can't take the heat?

    You can't have it both ways!

    Grammie

    LMAO....at Scotty: "I've been waiting 3 hours for you to answer my arguments to your stupidity. Did you scrape mommy's bunions yet."

    Scotty has been waiting three hours now to find out if I've scraped my mother's bunions yet?

    No Scotty...I hire people like your mother to do that.

    Her family loves and respects her, unlike Rudy's. LOL!!!!!

    Yeah, thats why Billy had some fat chick blow him in the Oval office while he stuck as cigar up her. He sure does respect Hillary. LOL.


    Posted by: The Factor at November 1, 2007 12:32 AM


    Crude, …… but accurate.

    Factor, I really didn't need the image you conjured up close to bedtime.

    Give a break.

    Grammie

    Hell, no! I'd have to get under your trailer to do that.

    Poor dog!

    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 12:21 AM


    Sorry MIKEY. I don't live in your neighborhood. Get a job and you and mommy can get out of that park.

    He is running. He's running for the First Lady.

    And if Bill could run again, he'd win in a landslide, much to your chagrine.

    Ha !

    Posted by: at November 1, 2007 12:35 AM

    He is running again dumbshit. Where would Hillary be without BJ? She is nothing without him. Will see what "landslide" the co-presidents win.

    Scotty again: "You can't relly be that freaking stupid can you?"

    Why not? You've been awfully stupid tonight. Truth is, everyone else on here is looking pretty damned smart by comparison.

    Wonder which one is going to set the schedule for the Oval Office and choose the intern's?

    Scotty: "Sorry MIKEY, I don't live in your neighborhood."

    Thank God for that. We already have one fat, ignorant slob on disabilty and living with his mom down the street....we don't need another one.

    November 1, 2007 12:41 AM,
    You support like Olberman, the Islamic cause!

    November 1, 2007 12:47 AM
    Why do you Leftist support Islamic Imperialism?

    It won't be a landslide but after 8 years of Bush this country WON'T vote for another republican.

    How stupid would you have to be to do that?

    Enter: The Factor !
    Posted by: at November 1, 2007 12:45 AM


    Enter-- the folks who will vote for Democrats even as these Democrats vote like Republicans while throwing bones to these morons about censoring Rush Limbaugh...

    That's you... Anonyloons... :D

    When a conservative challenges his point,
    Keith Olbermann flees the joint.
    Brave Brave Olbermann.
    When asked to debate with the Right
    Keith bravely retreated into the night
    Brave, Brave Olbermann
    When it's obvious his ratings are in tatters
    You see Keith hide behind Media Matters
    Brave, Brave Olbermann
    He boldly runs from real debate
    Cause if he stayed he would not rate.
    He is better off at the pub.
    Or hiding in his little tub.
    Brave Brave Olbermann.

    Why not? You've been awfully stupid tonight. Truth is, everyone else on here is looking pretty damned smart by comparison.

    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 12:42 AM


    And I have waited over 3 hour for you to repond to yur own musing's. So you are either too stuid to read, too stupid to comprehend or just to terrified that you have been outed as a IDIOT and change the subject. It's okay Mikey. You aren't on the mutts board so I understand your inability to answer simple argument's to your thesis. Really Mikey, we know you libs change subject and name call to hide your own stupidity. I know last night seeing your "girl" Hillary getting picked on upset your brain cell, yes it's "singular," but really even when she lose's you'll still get to see your BJ. He's like that Peanut Farmer. It just can't be digested so you gotta put up with it.

    Ever heard of the lesser of two evils?

    Scotty: "Sorry MIKEY, I don't live in your neighborhood."

    Thank God for that. We already have one fat, ignorant slob on disabilty and living with his mom down the street....we don't need another one.

    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 12:47 AM

    Evidently, he can channel his mother.

    This just shows you how unaware the Factor continues to be. Hillary is running a great campaign and Bill is just a hood ornament at this point.

    The Factor: Wrong about everything !

    Posted by: at November 1, 2007 12:43 AM


    Who is being naive? Her campaign is a two person con run by two of the best grifters in the business. A little talent Bubba picked up while hanging around the bars in Hot Springs with Virginia Kelley. Their marriage may be their best con job to date.

    Scotty: "You are on Mutt's board so I understand your inability to answer simple arguments to your thesis."

    You're right about one thing Scotty, your arguments really ARE pretty simple minded.

    It's pretty clear why you used such a belicose tone with them: Take away the hostility, and they sound more like they came from your poor little dog than from an adult human.

    Time to go MIKEY: I'll giv you onelast chance to answer these questions to your rambling's or you show your TRUE STUPIDITY.

    It's about PRINCIPAL Franky.

    Why do you people have so much trouble understanding how important it is for America to uphold PRINCIPAL...at all cost????


    Posted by: Mike at October 31, 2007 9:15 PM


    Good to see Crazy Mikey the libby with the PHDUH in Spelling still spewing his principle's crap. Hey Mikey, name one American soldier that wasn't tortured, who's life was spared during war time. Any war. Pick your WAR Mikey. I'm waiting.......In your little world I bet you could talk your way out of having your head cut off by doing what? being a traitor? not gonna help ya! When your use is no longer effective you are, what Mikey? Slaughtered? Handed a Golden Key? Given 72 Virgins? or just DEAD? Do tell Mikey.

    Posted by: Just call me Scott at October 31, 2007 10:05 PM

    Mikey do tell the names of all terrorist caught trying to KILL AMERICAN'S on the BATTLEFIELD that have died from WATERBOARDING! So you libonutt's believe all near drowning victims should be allowed to sue the Givernment because G.W.Bush didn't drain all water from the country. How dare we allow anyone to feel like that might be drowning.

    Posted by: Just call me Scott at October 31, 2007 10:08 PM

    James Mikey is a basement dweller that believe's like elf man that if we kiss ass we'll be safe. Moron's like that have no clue of history. They are the first to be eliminated when their friends come to power. See USSR, KOREA, CUBA, CAMBODIA and I could go on. But The Mikey's of the world are the reason this country has turned into 90% WIMP, aka PUSYY and only 10% STRONG, aka, TAKE NO SHIT!

    Posted by: Just call me Scott at October 31, 2007 10:14 PM


    Mikey have you talked to the missing soldier's in Iraq if YOUR LIBBY VIEW of PRINCIPLE'S for the ENEMY has kept them ALIVE? Do tell MIkey. You must have first hand knowledge of how PRINCIPLE'S during WAR keep CAPTURED AMERICAN SOLIDER'S ALIVE!

    Posted by: Just call me Scott at October 31, 2007 10:21 PM

    Okay MIKEY. Answer these and prove to the board that your not just a scrapper of mommie bunion's. You have had hour's to answer but yet you don't. Why is that MIKEY? Are you a LIAR? Do answer ..I'm Kind so now you have all night to find answer's to your thesis that you started out with and that was, for your miniscule mind I doubt remember's, that torture is AGAINST OUR PRINCIPLE'S. Now answer or PROVE TO ALL YOU ARE A LOSER and LIAR! I'll check back in the morning to see if you are a "man" or a "mutt".

    Scotty here sez there's some "questions" hidden somewhere in that mindless rant he just showed the stupidity to repost at 1:05 Am.

    Sounds more like the garbled and profane rantings of a madman to me.

    Hiccup !

    Like your opinion has any validity to it.

    Can't acknowledge the horrid job your president did which is the reason we will see a democrat in the WH this time.
    We understand.


    Posted by: at November 1, 2007 12:57 AM


    I'm glad you understand. Since both HRC and Obama say they won't bring troops home immediately from Iraq, I'll extend that favor to you in '08... :D

    Mike,

    I was only about half way through the comments but enough is enough. You have NO RIGHT to denigrate the service of someone who served in the military. If he served in Panama and remained on call during a war, he still served. How is he responsible for not being in the service during a time that is "manly" enough for your tastes? I would expect someone to get extremely nasty under those circumstances. Do you want your service questioned because you enlisted in the Air Force to avoid combat (your words) or would you want the respect that comes with having served? How can you claim "principles, principles" when you jumped right on the insult bandwagon? You and anon have so much disdain for your fellow Americans, never seeming to take the high road on a message board yet expect no one's passions to get inflamed over our enemies.

    Just saw this gem:

    Thank God for that. We already have one fat, ignorant slob on disabilty and living with his mom down the street....we don't need another one.
    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 12:47 AM

    Go national health care! We need to show we are a principled people.

    I was wrong.

    It had to happen some time. I'll try harder next time.

    Olbermann glossed over HRC's poor debate performance with his anti-Rudy schtick....

    Who hounded HRC anyway?.....Was it not Olbermann's boss, Russert?

    Once again we all got a peek on how HRC will govern....finger in the wind....She knows over 70% of New Yorkers (the normal people) are against Spitzer's plan and she just has to play the middle because she knows her leftist radical base in this primary is for the plan.....

    She should have just gone and done like Obama did with the UFO fiasco....do not answer it directly but instead twist it around to talk about his plans for social solutions to every problem from diaper rash to erectile dysfunction.....

    Instead she endorced Spitzer's plan, then said she did not agree with it then endorced it again....And look like a raging loon in the process!

    Leadership?

    Yesterday I noticed Phari-cee making fun of Kucinich's reported sighting of a UFO. Bear in mind Mr. Kucinih did not declare knowledge of where this craft was from, who was on it, or what they wanted of us - you know; the sort of information Phari-cee declares very specifically in regard to the invisible bearded cloud-man who made him out of clay.

    Interestingly, we have a recently published account of a close encounter by Phari-cee's fetish/president:


    (From "Dead Certain: The Presidency of George W. Bush" by Robert Draper)

    "On this particular evening, Poppy and Bar were away for the evening. For the first time in his life, Bush had the run of the White House. The Secret Service detail gave the president's son a few pointers on their way out the door. There's some security downstairs. And the steward's on call. Otherwise, he was on his own.

    "Bush had the steward bring him an early dinner. He intended to catch a baseball game on the tube. But the emptiness of the third floor only jostled his preternatural restlessness, so he changed into his grubby attire and headed to the small exercise room in the southeast wing.

    "Bush turned on the TV, mounted the stationary cycle, and proceeded to burn through the fidgets. Eventually he got tired of that as well. Sweating, he stepped out into the hallway in his T-shirt and gym shorts with a towel around his neck.

    "The usher had turned out most of the lights. Bush took a few strides down the hallway and found his steps slowing. At the entryway to the Lincoln bedroom, he froze. What had he just seen? Something. No. Nothing. No!

    "Ghosts. He saw ghosts -- coming out of the walls! Or were they portraits? Or ghosts coming out of the portraits? Rubber-legged, he retreated to his bedroom and shut the door." (Pages 87-88).

    Oh my, Lucy!? Bush saw Ghosts?!? I am shocked! I heard he was out in the pumpkin patch last night waiting for THE GREAT PUMPKIN, as well!

    Reread my "whole" post, Lucy, which was a combination of humor and ridicule of your world-view....Kucinich made an erroneous statement that more people have seen UFO's than support Bush....sorry, that little-green men believing minority is smaller but still bigger than those supporting the democrat congress....

    You support a person who looks like a vulcan and believes in little-green men, Lucy....yet are quick to condemn me, the founders, Thoreau, Emerson and Newton for believing in God.....Your problem is not my problem, Lucy.......my non-belief in little-green men or ghosts does not border on the fanatical where I demand the history of our founding be obliterated....

    You see the difference, Lucy?....I am proud of my belief in Jehovah, as was the founders, and He influences my world-view....You do not believe in Jehovah and replace Him with your own deity....yourself, and allow a guy who thinks there are little-green men among us make erroneous statements about polls just because you agree with him on the war? I believe Kucinich also believes as you do that our founding was soley based on secular principle and not Judeo-Christian values.

    Oh well, Bush can claim to see ghosts in the White House while Kucinich thinks there are aliens buzzing around planet earth and I can still know God exists while you deny His existence.

    Olbermann is a coward who lives in a sheletered world.
    He's not exposed to people with differnt views.
    He's a coward!

    Oh no, Keith Olbermann is not partisan...no, no no according to himsefl and blindrat.....

    The most influential US liberals: 61-80
    www.telegraph.co.uk

    67. KEITH OLBERMANN
    Cable television host


    A former sports reporter, Olbermann has used his MSNBC cable show Countdown to style himself the alternative to Bill O’Reilly of Fox News, promoting an increasingly strident liberal agenda. With a rapidly growing audience and a new four-year contract, he will be a force on the Left for some time to come.

    In July, he called for George W. Bush and Dick Cheney to resign, saying: “We enveloped our President in 2001. And those who did not believe he should have been elected — indeed, those who did not believe he had been elected — willingly lowered their voices and assented to the sacred oath of non-partisanship. And George W. Bush took our assent, and re-configured it, and honed it, and shaped it to a razor-sharp point and stabbed this nation in the back with it.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/exclusions/uselection/nosplit/liberals61-80.xml


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    Another acolade for the "nonpartisan journalist."

    Thank God for that. We already have one fat, ignorant slob on disabilty and living with his mom down the street....we don't need another one.

    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 12:47 AM


    Just our daily dose of you know what from "mike."

    With a rapidly growing audience and a new four-year contract, he will be a force on the Left for some time to come.

    Posted by: cee at November 1, 2007 10:06 AM


    I certainly hope so. If only to watch most of them go into fits when described as being his fans... :D

    Olbermann is a Soros/Clinton sock puppet.
    He has no credibility!

    Sharon:

    I respect your opinions MOST of the time but you have this almost unbelievable knack for jumping right in the middle of something, then taking one or two comments out of context....and then responding with outrage.

    The guy (Scott) strode in here like he thought he was a wild west six shooter in a saloon and begin flame throwing at me with profanity and gutter level insults from the very outset.

    He 'denegrated" anything and everything about me and my views using as much vile language and stereotypes as anyone could possibly conjur up in such short passages, even though I had not addressed or insulted him in any way....And it wasn't the first time he had done it either. That said, I never did stoop to his level language or insult wise.

    Among other things, he unilaterally started calling me a "coward', a "pussy", a "traitor", and many other similar things. Did you REALLY read the thread?

    Then what do YOU do? You come along and jump on me for playing around with the fool at his level. I don't know exactly what you are trying to do here, but I'm guessing you are scolding me for responding at all....and then trying to have a little late night fun with the fool...but is that REALLY fair of you to do that?

    Why is it perfectly OK with you if a right winger comes in here and begins flame throwing at me, but I'm not supposed to respond in kind? I'm having just a little trouble following your thinking here?

    Have you tried understanding that maybe it was just a "male" thing and letting it go at that?

    I've told you this before but for some reason it eludes you and your sensibilities: Try judging me by how I treat YOU...not by how I respond to others.

    I would not stand by and let another man call me a "coward" or "traitor" in person without decking him...and I don't think you would expect me to either....so why is it so different when I respond to a beligerant gutter level blog attack with a seemingly equally beligerant response?

    "Tim Russert 'should be shot', Hillary supporter declares on conference call with top advisers... "

    This is the title of the link to an article in The Hill on The Drudge Report.

    Anything short of kowtowing obeisance to HRC is a death by firing squad offense according to one Hillary supporter.

    Grammie

    Sharon, In addition, I want to respond to one question you asked me: "Do you want your service questioned because you enlisted in the Air Force to avoid combat (your words) or would you want the respect that comes with having served?"

    Good question Sharon! I'm surprised no one has ever touched on this before.

    The answer is that I feel really, REALLY humbled by those who served in REAL combat. I mean REAL combat...the ones who spent a year in Vietnam going out on patrol every day...the ones who served on those helicopters....like the the army medic friend of mine who later killed himself because of the horrors he went through.

    It is far, far MORE than even just having served in Vietnam, ... or Iraq. I'm talking about the ones who are actually made to put their life on the line day after day after day after day. These revered service members represent only a VERY small percentage of the total number that have served. Nobody understands this better than a GI himself understands it.

    I cannot hold a candle to those people and I know it. Yes, I'm a veteran....but those people are VETERANS!

    Also, let me correct you about one thing: I don't think I ever said I joined the Air Force to "avoid combat", because that's not why I did it. I joined the Air Force because it was kind of a family tradition and was the easiest route I could think of to independance for a boy who had barely turned 18 at the time.

    Mike,

    It was pretty much the usual "man" way of discussing issues (which were discussed). Example: and the last time the GENEVA CONVENTION MILITARY fought a WAR was??? Do tell Mikey.

    Would I pose a question that way? No. But it was a legitimate point. Then this from you:


    Scotty baby, what I know and understand about history would literally overwhelm your petty little brain.

    what military did you serve in? When and where did you ever put your life on the line for your country? What little dream world that you live in makes you think calling someone else a "wimp" on an ononymous discussion board a man? What is it about cheering on torture that makes YOU brave?

    He answered the question and you denigrated his service. It went extremely downhill from there. Your core of belief is that we should remain principled. That is your consistent argument. You would like us to treat our enemies with utmost respect, even when they spew hatred and commit acts of violence yet you become an attack dog when someone dare disagree with you. Anyone can interject comments here at will. It will continue to happen. The other comment of yours I referenced had nothing to do with Scott but concerned a neighbor who appears to be in the kind of situation that you have defended as in need of nationalized health care.

    I stand corrected; here is what you did say:


    Rico, trust me, I don't have any issue with your having not served in the military. I'll readily admit that I enlisted in the Air Force partially to avoid the draft.

    The only ones I have ever hammered with that issue are the ones questioning the patriotism of others for their political convictions.
    Posted by: Mike at September 9, 2007 10:22 PM

    It sounds to me like Scott enlisted not to avoid any combat; he served in the capacity that was required at the time. I still respect your service. You are still a veteran.

    I am being kicked off the computer

    Janet Hawkins,
    I doubt Olbermann will name that Hillary supporter as WPITW!

    You left some important details out there Sharon.

    For one thing, HE denigrated my service by claiming I didn't (for the second time, I might add). Did you then expect me to honor his service in Panama and as an "on call" reservist" during Gulf 1?

    I don't know, Maybe I should take it as a compliment that you are holding me to such a higher level of conduct than some of your own ideological compadres?

    That said, what kind of a question is "the last time the GENEVA CONVENTION MILITARY fought a war was? Do tell MIkey?". Does that REALLY make sense to you, even when paraphrased?

    The "other" comment about my neighbor had everything to do with Scott. It was nothng more than my attempt at a little humor in conjuction with putting the fool in his place with the same kind of stereotypes he had already thrown at me. It sounds a little better than "I know you are but what am I". Maybe thats just a "male" thing to?

    Incidently, I DO have a very fat neighbor on disability who is making no attempt to better his life or lift himself out of his dependence on the rest of us. It galls me every time I see him....but I never would have mentioned him except for the way I did as a comeback for a stereotype based insult.

    Also Sharon, why do you think it is fair that I would respond in a respectful way to someone who has just denegrated anything and everything about ME personally in conjuction with his demands for "answers" for what really amounted to purely rhetorical questions?

    Since you seem to be trying to hold me to this higher standard of conduct than others on your own ideological side, I will try to consider that in the future when responding to others.

    Incidently, I DO have a very fat neighbor on disability who is making no attempt to better his life or lift himself out of his dependence on the rest of us. It galls me every time I see him..

    One of the many points of those opposed to nationalized health care.

    Why am I not surprised Sharon's neighbor has an eating disorder? I imagine the neighbor on the other side is an alcoholic and the one across the street is suicidal.

    Posted by: Anonymous at November 1, 2007 3:34 PM


    Take it with a grain of salt, Sharon.

    He also imagines that his neighbors have erected fences to keep out the Jehovah Witnesses.

    And best of all- surely her three neighbors are democrats!

    WHOA!

    I WAS QUOTING MIKE FROM ABOVE!


    MIKE SAYS:
    Incidently, I DO have a very fat neighbor on disability who is making no attempt to better his life or lift himself out of his dependence on the rest of us. It galls me every time I see him..

    I said:

    One of the many points of those opposed to nationalized health care.

    LOL....I see I'm not the only one who sometimes fails to read far enough back on the thread.

    BTW, I'm not sure I grasp what a 500 lb. slackart taking advantage of Social Security Disability in order to skate through life without working has to do with nationalized Health care?

    **Wrong again Ms. Meanie Weanie. Fences violate the Deed Restrictions in my neighborhood.***

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    It's your deeds they worry about, Mr. Nice Guy...


    And best of all- surely her three neighbors are democrats [sic]!

    ***I hope Sir Loin reads this. It would be proof positive that there is a just God.***

    Posted by: Anonymous at November 1, 2007 4:19 PM

    Yeah, best obey the Lord thy God, Sharon. If boils and locust don't work, God turns you into a Democrat.

    BTW, I'm not sure I grasp what a 500 lb. slackart taking advantage of Social Security Disability in order to skate through life without working has to do with nationalized Health care?

    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 4:52 PM

    Ask The Compassionate Capon.

    Maybe he'll tie it into the alcoholic and the suicidal person next door... :D

    With a rapidly growing audience and a new four-year contract, he will be a force on the Left for some time to come.
    Posted by: cee at November 1, 2007 10:06 AM

    I certainly hope so. If only to watch most of them go into fits when described as being his fans... :D
    Posted by: Cecelia at November 1, 2007 10:14 AM

    Correct Cee---Olbermann has "escaped" all sorts of sh*t because of msm "covering" for his bull. One positive thing with Olbermann staying on the air, Cecelia can continue watching & pretending he's her boyfriend. (BTW, Cecel, can you be any more obsessed with "his fans." yuck...)

    Correct Cee---Olbermann has "escaped" all sorts of sh*t because of msm "covering" for his bull. One positive thing with Olbermann staying on the air, Cecelia can continue watching & pretending he's her boyfriend. (BTW, Cecel, can you be any more obsessed with "his fans." yuck...)

    Posted by: anon: because it drives 'em crazy at November 1, 2007 5:04 PM

    Heavens no! We'll keep obsessing over him and you keep coming here to obsess over us...

    WHOA!

    I WAS QUOTING MIKE FROM ABOVE!


    Posted by: Sharon at November 1, 2007 4:38 PM

    Well, it's not like Clucker would read his posts... :D

    Heavens no! We'll keep obsessing over him and you keep coming here to obsess over us...
    Posted by: Cecelia at November 1, 2007 5:10 PM

    Great come back! Could have never predicted she'd say that! Wow, so original. Wait, there's no smiley face...I feel robbed!
    :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D...

    Great come back! Could have never predicted she'd say that! Wow, so original. Wait, there's no smiley face...I feel robbed!
    :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D...

    Posted by: anon: because it drives 'em crazy at November 1, 2007 5:34 PM


    What? You think obsession would be you're making 13 smiley faces?... :D

    :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D Perhaps you'd like to obsessively count these, (here's a hint, obsessive one, it's more than 13!) God I love the irony she provides! :D

    ount these, (here's a hint, obsessive one, it's more than 13!) God I love the irony she provides! :D

    Posted by: anon: because it drives 'em crazy at November 1, 2007 5:49 PM


    You've reached the point where that isn't necessary...

    Carry on. :D

    I'm not sure I grasp what a 500 lb. slackart taking advantage of Social Security Disability in order to skate through life without working has to do with nationalized Health care?

    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 4:52 PM


    You don't think he sees the doctor on a regular basis for mental and/or physical ailments? He's a product of "pre" nationalised health care and liberalism/socialism.

    No, he's not. He would be doing nothing regardless. Don't you think he's already on something called 'Medicaid'?

    Since you seem to be trying to hold me to this higher standard of conduct than others on your own ideological side, I will try to consider that in the future when responding to others.

    Posted by: Mike at November 1, 2007 11:59 AM


    Mikey there is no high standard for you. Still answer not one of my argument's to your "thesis" on poor little terrorist's not getting respected. Your a freaking IDITOT, MIKEY. You have proven that on this board. You answer nothing yet demand answers. That little MIKEY is a sign of a WIMP. And Sharon nothing wrong with the Air Force. We are the one's that all the other branches call on to save their butts'. Ask any downed pilot what the best site in the universe was and he'll tell you a Air Force Air Combat Medic coming down on wire. No draft for me. I raised my hand of my own free will and did my job. SEE ABOVE MIKEY! Now get back to your hole MIKEY and write 300 times, "I Mikey am a retarded coward unable to answer simple question's to my own thesis.I'm a good little lib and just call names and scream to my mommy when I get put in my place" NOW GET TO WRITING MIKEY!

    I think I'll just avoid engaging this self absorbed flame throwing, foul mouthed jerk tonight out of respect for Sharon and other posters who are sick and tired of flame throwing on a site that should be reserved for civil discussions.

    Gnite!

    I agree nothing wrong with the Air Force. My father served with that branch (during peace time). I was just quoting Mike.

    Sharon: "I was just quoting Mike."

    But please don't leave us with any inference that I said there was anything wrong with the Air Force either.

    I served in the Air Force. So did my Father. So did my brother. So did my Brother in law (now deceased from agent Orange).

    NO, there's nothing 'wrong' with the Air Force, and nobody said there was.

    Thanks for answering my question. I just read the FAQ and didn't see it in there, but I appreciate the clarification. Generally when he talks about Bill Clinton it's filler, so I hadn't paid any attention to what he calls him.

    Thanks for answering my question. I just read the FAQ and didn't see it in there, but I appreciate the clarification. Generally when he talks about Bill Clinton it's filler, so I hadn't paid any attention to what he calls him.

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