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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    November 5, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - November 5, 2007

    Bathtub Boy

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • WATERBOARDING!
    • SPECIAL EDUCATION KOMMENT: Bush's criminal conspiracy
    • GREEN GORE

    Olbermann Watch servers are acting up, and Oralmann's writers have cooked up another Special Education Komment. What better excuse to take the night off? We aren't going to sit through an hour of Fat Ass bellowing about a procedure that was resorted to all of three times, and hasn't even been used for years. If/when this post shows up, consider it an open thread to discuss the latest obscenities from the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann.


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (276) | | View blog reactions

    276 Comments

    So since being forced into an apology to Rudi Countdown has turned into CutRudiDown w/ KO and tonight he MAKES FUN ON THE MANS LISP b/c Rudi mad efun of Hillary, wow a true newsman KO

    But on Olby Planet......

    THAT'S THREE TIMES TOO MANY!

    I'm really surprised it took this long for a 'Krazy Keith Special Koment' I think it's at least two weeks over due.

    Let's see if an MSM puff-peice will follow in the next day or to.

    Bush's criminal conspiracy?

    Yeah, and those 'Karl Rove Indicments are going to show up any day now too. Right?

    This is nothing new, all this is nothing new!

    Bob Hope had this crew pegged years ago!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnSeihifUHk

    Olbermann is a worthless piece of rat smegma. A pitiful and painful excuse for a human life form. He and his show are jokes.

    Keith has become the David Duke on the Left. So driven and bold during is screeds. So very wrong and deeply bigoted against anyone who doesn't toe the Thinkprogress line. His conflation of waterboarding is a new low. I wonder what Rebecca Lobo would think about Keith's drive?

    Olberblow is so pitiful. He needs to be put out of his misery. Fire him, dump him on an island in the arctic. No, wait, keep him in his insignificant spot on his insignificant little TV show. He does so little harm in plain view. He is impotent.

    Johnny $,

    I am curious to hear your take on one of Olby's guests tonight. I can't remember her name or her exact title but she was an expert on the Middle East who left the Bush Administration last year. The lead in indicated that she was supposed to bash Bush for not taking a strong stand against Musharraf. She did criticize the Bush administration but not in the way which he had planned. She actually presented a completely different view, one that threw him. He stumbled, as he does when confronted with a live situation, because he couldn't follow the script. He knew he was dealing with someone who would criticize the administration and after a couple of questions, she received the "many, many thanks" for calling Bush incompetent. Interview ended. He's Bush and he has to be wrong, even if I have no idea what the hell I am talking about!

    I could have perceived it wrong.

    you people are disgusting. olbermann is the only person that i have seen who is brave enough to challenge the president. perhaps if more people were actually able to speak their minds we wouldn't be plagued by people like bush and you idiots...

    you people are disgusting. olbermann is the only person that i have seen who is brave enough to challenge the president. perhaps if more people were actually able to speak their minds we wouldn't be plagued by people like bush and you idiots...

    Posted by: jeff at November 6, 2007 1:51 AM


    Well, can we help it if you're a bunch of paranoiac weinies who are too afraid to speak your minds?

    jeff, Keith is a drama queen and nobody takes him seriously.

    MR BUSH IS GOING TO PRISON. Yeah, right Olby. Go masturbate in private, you flatuent poseur.

    What a long-winded, sanctimonious jackass.

    Cecelia wrote:

    "you people are disgusting. olbermann is the only person that i have seen who is brave enough to challenge the president. perhaps if more people were actually able to speak their minds we wouldn't be plagued by people like bush and you idiots..."

    For Olby to speak his mind, he would have to have a brain. But going by the high regard you give this retard, I'd say you're lacking in the higher brain function yourself.

    Oops! Sorry, Cecelia. I mean to say:

    jeff wrote:

    "you people are disgusting. olbermann is the only person that i have seen who is brave enough to challenge the president. perhaps if more people were actually able to speak their minds we wouldn't be plagued by people like bush and you idiots..."

    For Olby to speak his mind, he would have to have a brain. But going by the high regard you give this retard, I'd say you're lacking in the higher brain function yourself.

    Cecelia wrote:

    "you people are disgusting. olbermann is the only person that i have seen who is brave enough to challenge the president. perhaps if more people were actually able to speak their minds we wouldn't be plagued by people like bush and you idiots..."

    For Olby to speak his mind, he would have to have a brain. But going by the high regard you give this retard, I'd say you're lacking in the higher brain function yourself.

    Posted by: CrossoverManiac at November 6, 2007 2:22 AM


    Well, I'd surely agree with you if I had written what you've attributed to me.

    You might want to get your eyes checked, as well as your higher brain functioning...

    I did print a retraction and quoted the correct poster.

    Cecelia's just sloshed, as usual. Don't pay too much attention to her.

    you guys are funny. all your attacks are ad hominum (ya, look it up). so funny. no righty can attack with a substantive rebuff to the actual content in KO's Special Comment in any informed or educated manner. stay ad hominum though; it works for you all. attack, attack, attack! that's it!
    oh yeah and viva ann culter ;-)

    put the same fervor into disproving the lefty allegations (like "olby's") that bush isn't the most corrupt and damaging president to hold the office and that he should be impeached, removed from office, and tried and convicted for war crimes.
    how do you all sleep at night (good pharmeceuticals?)

    You're correct, of course, Allsmiles, but you know the Righties/Repugnants/Bushites all think Coulter is a rational voice for their positions.

    Dear leftists....I mean Larry and Allsmiles....

    In our logical system...it is not us righties that are required to disprove anything....it is on those making the accusations of criminality to persuade others to convict.....not in the court of public opinion, but in a much more adult and proper forum....

    Impeachment hearings

    A vote in The House of Representatives on Impeachment

    Senate Investigative hearings

    A Senate court impanelled to remove Bush and Cheney from office

    A judical proceeding with jury

    Olbermann is a shill...He has not allowed one person to rebut any charges he has made in his Special Comments. You two forget that all of the above is available to your democratic party representatives and they have chosen to not even try ONE!

    He, he, he....

    I do not agree with Olbermann's presentation of the facts....He is biased, wants ratings from those who believe as he does and only does these little presentations to please his corporate bosses....they need ratings improvements.

    Olbermann has not done one thing to bring any charges against Bush et al....He speaks....big deal....His words are no more credible than Rush's and Hannity's simply because he has shown not one ounce of objectivity or fairness in his coverage of events for the last 6 years.

    So please....take you requests that I disprove baseless allegations in a public opinion court to where they belong....To the trash. Until I see Bush, Cheney or others in orange jump suits standing before a judge, I laugh at your demogoguery....Just like Olbermann's spitting about Rove, Gonzo and the rest who are doing just fine...

    hopefully soon they will find his body face down floating in the east river with all the other garbage

    Ah- The New York Times Reports on what we at OlbermannWatch knew for the last two years. Drink the koolaid and read the article... the ratings cited are inflated... the talking points are straight from media matters... and they report the slant as though it is newfound. This is news?

    Riding a ratings wave from “Countdown With Keith Olbermann,” a program that takes strong issue with the Bush administration, MSNBC is increasingly seeking to showcase its nighttime lineup as a welcome haven for viewers of a similar mind.

    Rosie O’Donnell, known for her liberal views, has been mentioned as a possible host for a talk show on MSNBC.
    Lest there be any doubt that the cable channel believes there is ratings gold in shows that criticize the administration with the same vigor with which Fox News’s hosts often champion it, two NBC executives acknowledged yesterday that they were talking to Rosie O’Donnell about a prime-time show on MSNBC.

    During the nine months she spent on “The View” before departing abruptly last spring, Ms. O’Donnell raised viewership notably. She did so while lamenting the unabated casualties of the Iraq war and advocating the right to gay marriage, among other positions.

    Under one option, Ms. O’Donnell would take the 9 p.m. slot each weeknight on MSNBC, pitting her against “Larry King Live” on CNN and “Hannity & Colmes” on Fox News.

    But even without Ms. O’Donnell, MSNBC already presents a three-hour block of nighttime talk — Chris Matthews’s “Hardball” at 7, Mr. Olbermann at 8, and “Live With Dan Abrams” at 9 — in which the White House takes a regular beating. The one early-evening program on MSNBC that is often most sympathetic to the administration, “Tucker” with Tucker Carlson at 6 p.m., is in real danger of being canceled, said one NBC executive, who, like those who spoke of Ms. O’Donnell, would do so only on condition of anonymity.

    Having a prime-time lineup that tilts ever more demonstrably to the left could be risky for General Electric, MSNBC’s parent company, which is subject to legislation and regulation far afield of the cable landscape. Officials at MSNBC emphasize that they never set out to create a liberal version of Fox News.

    “It happened naturally,” Phil Griffin, a senior vice president of NBC News who is the executive in charge of MSNBC, said Friday, referring specifically to the channel’s passion and point of view from 7 to 10 p.m. “There isn’t a dogma we’re putting through. There is a ‘Go for it.’”

    Fox News consistently denies any political bias in its programming. But whether by design or not, MSNBC is managing to add viewers at a moment when its hosts echo the country’s disaffection with President Bush.

    The channel has done so much as Fox News did beginning in 1996, when the president was Bill Clinton, a Democrat. On some nights recently, Mr. Olbermann has even come tantalizingly close to surpassing the ratings of the host he describes as his nemesis, Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, at least among viewers ages 25 to 54, which is the demographic cable news advertisers prefer. Most of the time, though, Mr. O’Reilly outdraws Mr. Olbermann by about 1.5 million viewers over all at the same hour, according to Nielsen Media Research.

    Still, as its most recognizable face, MSNBC has marshaled behind Mr. Olbermann, who on July 3, in an eight-minute “special comment” at the close of his show, addressed President Bush directly and called on him to resign. Two months later, the channel chose Mr. Olbermann to serve as the principal host of its coverage of a major prime-time address by Mr. Bush.

    Mr. Olbermann’s “special comments” — more than 20 in the last 12 months, and nearly all of them first-person editorials that find some fault with the administration — have helped increase the ratings of his program by 33 percent in just the last year, to about 773,000 viewers a night, according to Nielsen. With those ratings, Mr. Olbermann’s program surpassed “Paula Zahn Now” on CNN, which was canceled last summer.

    Mr. Olbermann comes on after “Hardball” with Mr. Matthews, whose longtime opposition to the war — and to what he describes as Vice President Dick Cheney’s outsize role in the administration — has become only more pointed since he took on the title of managing editor of his broadcast over the summer.

    Since then, he has talked, both on the air and off, about the “criminality” of the Bush White House, as epitomized, he says, by the role of I. Lewis Libby Jr., the vice president’s former chief of staff, in the C.I.A. leak case. Mr. Matthews’s overall ratings have edged up in the process, though not on the scale of Mr. Olbermann’s.

    Even Joe Scarborough, once a conservative congressman from Florida who stood behind President Bush during a campaign rally in 2004, has seemed to have a change of heart about his fellow Republicans in recent months, as is obvious to viewers of “Morning Joe,” his new morning show on MSNBC. In recent weeks, he could be heard praising Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s outreach to the military and her husband’s accomplishments as an ex-president, sentiments that, he acknowledged, had surprised even him.

    In a telephone interview yesterday morning, hours before the news of the O’Donnell negotiations surfaced, Mr. Scarborough sounded more like Mr. Olbermann than vintage Newt Gingrich.

    “I’m just as conservative as I was in 1994, when everyone was calling me a right-wing nut,” he said. “I think the difference is the Republican Party leaders, a lot of them, have run a bloated government, have been corrupt, and have gone a very, very long way from what we were trying to do in 1994. Also, the Republican Party has just been incompetent.”

    Asked if Mr. Olbermann and Mr. Matthews in particular provided an outlet for the opinions of viewers unhappy with the current administration, Mr. Scarborough said yes.

    “While I don’t agree with a lot of the things those guys say night in and night out,” he said, “I think it’s very important that those disaffected voices have a place to go when they think somebody out there needs to be speaking truth to power.”

    Which is not to say that all of the channel’s hosts speak in one voice. On that same day last month when Mr. Scarborough spoke warmly of the Clintons, for example, he also referred to Democrats generally as “stupid people” and “morons.”

    In an interview Friday, Mr. Matthews, who was once an aide to Thomas P. O’Neill Jr., the former Democratic speaker of the House, recalled that his criticisms of the Clintons in the mid-to-late 1990s made him an outcast within the party, and are still echoed in his skepticism about Mrs. Clinton today.

    “I really do take on people with power,” he said. “Deceit is what drives me crazy, either by Bill Clinton or the hawks in this administration.”

    That said, in a separate interview last week, Mr. Olbermann acknowledged that for MSNBC’s nighttime lineup to ultimately work, viewers needed to be able to follow at least some common themes from one show to another. He likened himself and his fellow hosts, collectively, to the menu of a hamburger restaurant with several variations of the same dish.

    “If you go into a burger place, and you go in there for the fish, you might want the fish occasionally but it’s probably a mistake,” he said. “Could you be utterly different politically and succeed in this format? You’d basically be throwing your audience away.”

    Hey Puck,

    You hit the nail on the head brother. We'll never hear the end from Olbycreep about the puff piece from the paper that has "all the news that's fit to slant." Olbydouche will cherrypick all the good stuff, and conveniently leave the part out how Billo kicks his ass virtually every night.

    I forced myself to sit through his "speshul komment" last night. I honestly couldn't tell you one specific thing he said because I was too focused on that white speck of spittle attached to his top lip for the majority of his rant (Christ, what's he trying to do, imitate "dribbles" mathews). That and the fact that he takes himself so seriously. And HE has the gall to refer to Limbaugh as a comedian.

    What a farce!!

    By the way, is it just me, or does everyone on the set on the NFL show he's on seem to ignore him as much as possible. I've never seen a sports show that is so uncomfortable to watch. I think they all despise the creep.

    Speshul Comment that Olbermahn spit
    Waterboy has a head full of shit
    Propaganda Keith spews
    NBC's moonbat news
    In the ratings Keith's sucking hind tit

    "Daniel Levin took himself to a military base and let himself be waterboarded.

    Mr. Bush, ever done anything that personally courageous?"

    You have got to be kidding me!

    The guy should have a statue because he was waterboarded?

    Well common there Mister BIG, BAD and BRAVE. If you got any guts in you're panties, move you're fat ass out of the chair and do something about it.

    I'm still waiting for those 'Karl Rove Indicments'.

    Hey what will the dopey loons build me if I get waterboarded?

    If you follow stupid's logic, then I guess you dopes should call you're Democrat leaders and get a bloated govt. grant.

    Because you are going to have to build 3 or 4 statues in Washington to terroists that have been waterboarded, right?

    Here's what I love about you looney tunes. You say he is the dumbest president ever. You also parade around dopey facts about him being a criminal. You have Edward R. Moron aka Teleprompter Boy, read a bunch of crap to you Zombies and you drink it up.

    Yet in six plus years you bunch of third rate, street corner, Perry Masons. Have not been able to come up with one thing. NOT ONE CHARGE!

    Let me repeat that for WDYT because he hasn't had his daily dose yet.

    NOT ONE CHARGE!

    And meanwhile, you're DEMOCRATIC lead Congress has a lower rating than MR. BUSH!

    And you're MSLSD along with CNN fights for crumbs while FOX NEWS. that's right FOX NEWS! Has the bulk of the pie.

    I said it before.

    I'll say it again.

    And since some of you don't get it I'll keep saying it for a while longer.

    Even Bob Hope had you all pegged back in the day.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnSeihifUHk

    Did anyone understand Olbermann's Speacial Ed Comments last night?
    He loooked deranged and incoherent!

    And for the true believers today.....a compare and contrast......

    Judge Mukasey is approved to become our nationas top law enforcement officer in committee, with bipartisan support....ha, ha, ha!

    The only true avenue to accomplish what Mr. Olbermann spat out last night, Articles of Impeachment on Vice President Dick Cheney, will be brought up for discussion and approval in The House of Representatives.

    In the end, there will be no contrast because the leftist ruling class will fail in their attempt to feed the hunger that rages in their fringe base. Poor morons like larry, mental midget (why), whiney mikey and Anonymous....where to place your complaints?

    Oh boy. What a funny situation. Keith Olbermann spits poetic last night, the very elites he brown-noses as a "journalist" fail his rhetoric, and the criminals remain safely in office, fully funded and policy intact (and fully funded!!!!).....

    Today feels like it is going to be a taunting day.....

    STOP THE WAR.....CUT THE FUNDS NOW!
    STOP THE CRIMINALS.....IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY NOW!

    And this is my post today, the 1,651st day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    "Thinking such as your's is a cancer on our nation that needs to be cut out." MIKE posted 10/4/07 7:02PM

    Cee and Sharon, you may be interested in this excerpt from an article about Justice Thomas:

    "Natural theory and its relationship with the American founding figured prominently in dialogue between Thomas and the audience members. To better understand and appreciate the constitutional order sustaining American liberty told listeners that he would engage EEOC staffers familiar with the philosophical foundation of the Declaration of Independence.

    Thomas would spend hours at a time with political theorists exploring and probing the writings of Thomas Jefferson. The revolutionary notion outlined in the Declaration of Independence that states "All men are created equal" and "are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights" has timeless implications, Thomas explained.

    "We debated at length the implications of natural law thinking, and speculated on how it might apply to contemporary political discussion," he wrote in his memoirs. "These arguments stimulated my mind in a way that no discussion of current events could possibly hope to equal."

    It is from: http://newsbusters.org/

    Negative Media Portrait of Justice Thomas Out of Step with Reality, Former Senator Says

    Puck, loved the video.

    Grammie

    Its a fact that collinsworth despises him...
    Yet I don't see any issues between Costas and KeithO though.

    A pretty good dressing down of Olbermann's special comment at....

    http://hotair.com/archives/2007/11/06/video-krazy-keith-talks-torture-fascism-and-putting-bush-in-jail/

    "Video: Krazy Keith talks torture, fascism and putting Bush in jail"


    ###
    Ends with a great observation about throwing around terms like, "fascism,"

    "Invisible fascism? That’s a neat trick, but it’s nonsense. Fascism is pointless if you can’t see it, or if it’s so insubstantial that you can just see right through it. Fascism, Keith, is one of those movements that produces a lot of very visible evidence. Nationalization of industry, like that going on in Venezuela. Goose-stepping minions, like that going on in Iran and what went on in Italy in the 1930s. Rounding up of political and journalistic opposition, like that going on in Russia. That’s fascism in one form or another.

    "It’s unlike anything that’s going on in the United States.

    "But by calling the Bush administration’s alleged fascism 'nearly invisible,' Olbermann has pulled off the neat trick (if you’re dumb enough not catch the sleight of hand) of not having to produce any evidence to back up what he’s saying. Because he can’t. Because there isn’t any. It’s as made up as a Jayson Blair quote or a New Republic fact-check.

    "Not that any of that will matter to our friends on the left. The Olbermann fan club will nod and cheer at his bravery, they’ll pass around the clip and the link and live it up. They’ll bask in Olbermann’s bravery by proxy, smug that they’re standing up to the evil man and his minions in the White House. They’ll compare Tim Russert to Hitler for –gasp– asking tough questions of Hillary Clinton, the irony that their own mau mauing of Fox News and of journalists that they don’t like and talk show hosts that outwit them and their support for the Orwellian 'Fairness Doctrine,' the 'outing' of political opponents, the posting of home addresses and slashing of tires, the trashing of military recruiting stations, the desecration of military graves and the constant smears and so many more of the left’s more hard boiled actions more closely resemble fascist thug tactics than anything the Bush administration has done or will ever do.

    "Those people doing those things are your people, Olbermann. You whip them into a 15-minutes hate with Special Comments like last night’s. They’re more likely to goose step on your command, pal, not George Bush’s."


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    So true....and don't forget about the spitting on Veterans......

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    GREAT link cee

    My cousin played ball with Collinsworth and spent twenty minutes ripping the political hack on the phone two weeks ago.

    But, you obviously don't watch the show... its apparent by their comments and body language.

    Keith gets a few shots from New York Daily News columnist Bob Raissman (certainly no conservative) at the bottom of his TV sports column in Tuesday's paper:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/col/raissman/index.html

    The key section:

    NBC's "Football Night In America" comes on the air at 7 p.m. So it must be hard for the crew to follow late games still in progress. Is this why Keith Olbermann called Pats-Colts "a great, classic football game." Classic? No way. ... In a move to promote energy conservation, NBC turned the lights off in the "FNIA" studio for a couple of minutes Sunday. Imagine how much energy - and hot air - could be saved if viewers hit the mute button every time Olbermann opened his mouth.

    Put the KeithO rant on the table and compare it to the author's dissection of the rant, and tell me what side you come out on lemming?

    You truly think that waterboarding of top terrorists is an example pushing this country towards fascism? If so, you are as pathetic as your opinions.

    "Why" is his usual miserable self today yet with even more venom. Looks like the idiot ate up the Speshul Comment" last night and came out fighting after his marching orders...

    Bravo lemming.... KeithO would be proud of you!

    Oh well, don't expect mental midget to respond to the HOT AIR poster's conclusions about Olbermann's demogoguery in the use of the word, fascism. Is he not correct dear professor? Show me evidence that The United States of America has spiraled down into the den of evil totalitarianism....One piece of evidence?

    Again....I need you to prove criminality on the part of George and Dick...not the other way around, mental midget. Olbermann has served his Kool-Aid and you are going for seconds!

    Thanks John... I forgot how warm and fuzzy a moment it was when the lights were out in the studio....

    Its the kind of dribble "Why" eats up.

    Don't forget the little GREEN peacock in the left lower corner, how cute!....

    But nevermind.....

    The jet fuel it took to get dear anchors Lauer, Curry and Roker and their huge crews to their individual places thousands of mile away....

    The energy of the lighting, heating and satelite transmission at those sites (two BELOW ZERO) to bring them all to 30 Rock....LIVE!

    Oh, and don't forget the dozens of flat-screen HD sets on the set....Mmmm.....were not they still on?

    Yeah...."green".....what a bunch of silliness.

    NBC is going off the deep end!

    And mental midget laps it all up like the leftist we all know him to be!

    Benson:

    "You truly think that waterboarding of top terrorists is and example of pushing this country towards fascism? If so, you are as pathetic as your opinions."

    Waterboarding is a line that had been clearly drawn defining the definition of torture for many years....a line that America itself had readily accepted and even enforced until it supposedly no longer fit our own perceived interest anymore. Rejection of torture is a matter of PRINCIPLE. If you don't understand the importance of adhering to PRINCIPLE, then you will never understand this debate, nor will you understand Keith Olbermann's special comment.

    Rejection of "cruel and unusual punishment" for ANY and ALL human beings is an American PRINCIPLE laid down by our own founders...with good reason. If you don't understand this, I pity you..... because you clearly lack any moral or ethical foundation within yourself.

    That said, you don't have a clue who has and who hasn't been waterboarded....or why. That is all speculation and hearsay.

    Thanks bunches, Damn Crackpot.

    Don't forget the countless hours on the computer to change all the graphics to green for the entire family....

    five minutes of darkness on the set can't offset the larger carbon footprint created. Even Nader scoffs.

    Mike- the article points to the 3 admitted to.... yet you don't agree to Kalid's torture either? So there is the rub.

    I have no problem torturing the heads of a terrorist network, especially in an effort to save other innocent lives.

    I stand seperate from you on that point proudly. So pity away.

    What a coincidence. The Daily show and Colbert Report go dark with the writers strike and Keith has a Specual Komment. Keith doesn't need to worry about a writers strike since Marxist Matters and MorON.org will not go on strike. Why did Keith chicken out an go with calling GW the Emperor of Japan? Why didn't he do the Hitler comparison? Is he afraid of getting another letter from the Anti-Defamation league? I didn't know that facist leaders allowed for people on national TV to call for their impeachment and arrest. Better let Hugo Chavez and A-Jad know.

    "That said, you don't have a clue who has and who hasn't been waterboarded....or why. That is all speculation and hearsay."


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    Ah but Mike, neither do you...even in years past under different Presidents of different parties for different reasons....by the CIA in particular.....

    This is the whole enchilada....the public discussion of techniques used by professional AMERICAN patriots sworn to protect life and liberty.....Democrats using inuendo and character assasination to advance their domestic political power....Olbermann no more believes this stuff as Kennedy or Durbin....these elites have an issue and you are dumb enough to believe they actually believe it! For Olbermann it is about getting people like you to watch his show....for Clinton et al it is fund raising and a committed vote in a year.

    Mike, I really wonder how you can say those who support real action on the ground in defense of liberty and democracy are the cynics while the "debate club of no action," the leftist uling class, simply talks about these important issues without proof or penalty.

    The cynics are the democrats....your leftist ruling class, who cry "torture" yet do nothing about stopping it....

    Mukasey is going to be AG

    Cheney and Bush remain in power and unindicted for war-crimes.

    Funding for the war continues and will continue.

    Benson:

    "I have no problem torturing the heads of a terrorist network."

    Then you also have no problem abandoning cherished American PRINCIPLES whenever you think the ends justify the means.

    THAT is probably what the other poster meant regarding his reference to fascism. One you cross one line, it's easier to cross the next....and the next....and the next....until finally, you bear no resemblance to what you used to be. This is what America is doing to itself under the 'leadership' of GWB.

    Selective adherence to PRINCIPLE! .... This is how every despot in history has justified their wrongful deeds.

    In the end, PRINCIPLE is all we really have!

    Too simple by a bunch, Benson. Virtually any military person and mots honest law enforcement people will readily tell you that information obtained under torture is virtually useless. Actually, we should have known that from the Spanish Inquisition. Of course, nothing is going to disuade you Right Wing gut chuckers. Excuse me if I don't join in your little perverted sado-masochistic binge. You guys haven't been right about anything for a couple of decades. No injuries so far from slips and falls on flower petals thrown by thankful Iraqis.

    Mike claims that he voted for Bush in 2000 and yet he has no problem with Olbermann comparing President Bush to Emperor Tojo of Japan. I am having trouble believing Mike.

    llarry- Kalid gave up TONS of information....
    New York Times even admitted that it worked on him, so don't fall back on that tired line.

    The right has totally lost the global warming argument, that's why they take pot shots like ie.using jet fuel to travel, lighting etc,
    Posted by: Why do I stink at November 6, 2007 11:57 AM

    Really, we have lost the issue? How about when Americans learn this little factoid?


    According to energy expert Tracy Terry's analysis of a recent Massachusetts Institute of Technology study, under the scenario of an 80 percent reduction in emissions from 1990 levels, by 2015 Americans could be paying 30 percent more for natural gas in their homes and even more for electricity. At the same time, the cost of coal could quadruple and crude oil prices could rise by an additional $24 a barrel. Washington Post

    Sorry, money talks, global warming walks.

    Additionally Mike, the principles you feel are lost on the 'torture' of a few does not hold water with me.

    I am POSITIVE a democrat as president would have also allowed the 'waterboarding' of Kalid, and I only hope you and Keith would have screamed just as loud. This is not a political tool as you libs like to make it, as the majority of americans have no problem with waterboarding top terrorists. 61%

    I love how dummycrats get so upset over waterboarding terrorists - something that has never killed anyone - but think stabbing a child in the neck while it's being born is a right that needs to be protected at all costs. It proves they don't give a crap about human rights, just about protecting those who want to kill our soldiers.

    I knew you were hopeless Meathead.

    With all that information, I'm shocked we have not won the War of Terror, Shrub has not been made king and you, Dipshit and Cee are not prostrate before him clamoring to kiss his ass.

    Really, use some sense for once.

    Did anybody read the article in today's New York Times Media and Advertising Section? They claim (with Neilson Ratings statistic, in hand) that MSNBC is serving a ever-growing television market of Americans who think that the "wheels have come off" at Fox News. And the one TV personality that is leading this charge that may end up burying Fox News? One time Fox employee KEITH OLBERMANN!!

    But is not just the New York Times. I've seen many other advertising industry studies and journal reports (the kind that car company execs and advertising firms read) that, based purely on market analysis, claim that Olbermann star is rising, and Fox is dying on the vine!! It is the dawn of a scary new day . . . seriously!! K O is becoming the Eward R. Murrow of the 21st century, and viewers are flocking to him.

    What can be done???!!!!

    Its funny I don't listen or watch Billo because it is my feeling that he is full of it and just a mouth for the Bush administration. I just don't waste my time with him. I know he is not going any where he has enough viewers to keep him on for years. I am not upset by his bs. Why do all of you people get so upset with Keith if you don't like what he says don't watch as with Bill he has his viewers and makes money and is not going any where. You all say that no one pays attention to him. But you all do.

    My suggestion sit back relax untell the end of the world and if you can't stand watching Keith do your self a favor and don't. Life is to short to give your self a heart attack over someone who no one listens to lol.

    NBC is having a "green" meltdown.

    Mike has made it very clear that he made a mistake in voting for Bush. It takes a big man to admit mistakes.
    That's why you are the king of the little people !
    The Factor has been wrong about EVERYTHING...yet never a word of accountability.


    Posted by: Why don't you think at November 6, 2007 12:02 PM


    How "big of a man" does it take to deny posting under several names, like both of you have done? Pathetic, to say the least.

    But is not just the New York Times(LOL, they are almost bankrupt) . I've seen many other advertising industry studies and journal reports (the kind that car company execs and advertising firms read) that, based purely on market analysis, claim that Olbermann star is rising, and Fox is dying on the vine!! It is the dawn of a scary new day . . . seriously!! K O is becoming the Eward R. Murrow of the 21st century, and viewers are flocking to him.

    What can be done???!!!!

    Posted by: JayRay at November 6, 2007 12:54 PM

    Keep dreaming, Fox News just made more in advertising revenue than CNN and MSDNC combined. No one reads the New York Slimes and I don't know what other funny papers you read, but Fox News is no trouble at all. Glenn Beck just got a 50 million dollar contract. If CNN were smart, they would put him on the mother ship against O'Reilly.

    > all they can talk about are democrats and Bill Clinton.

    Actually we want to talk about the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann, but people like you keep diverting the discussions to everything but. The only thing notable about this last post of yours is that it is one of the handful of your posts that isn't a cut-and-paste AND actually says something about Keith Oralmann.

    As I have shown statistics and proof in the past that going "green" would create more jobs and opportunities for Americans and NOT be a financial burden on the country.
    But your memory is short and nonexistent when it comes for FACTS that you don't want to hear.
    Posted by: Why don't I think at November 6, 2007 12:28 PM

    I just showed you facts from the Washington Post showing that the communist hoax of global warming will start soup lines in every city and you give Al Gore propaganda. The United States could eliminate every car on the road and remove every coal plant but what would it accomplish? Nothing. No temprature change and no halt to global warming. China and India would be laughing all the way to the bank while Americans starve in the streets. No thanks, I take "Global Warming".

    It's great. It's great that Keith Olbermann now has so much power and influence that it forced someone to start this slanderous site. It's great that Olbermann makes Bush supporters and anti-Americans wet their pants. It's great that Olbermann scares the daylights out of dumb and confused people. It's great that those who hate democracy and free speech are so upset by Keith's success.

    It's great that this site exists. It only proves how big Olbermann is and how his views are being heard by millions. If this weren't true, this site wouldn't be here and all of the wackos posting here would be using their time to do something else.

    Please maintain this site and keep the nutty, hateful comments coming. It only helps Keith Olbermann and his supporters. He has more of them every day.

    Factor...stop arousing mental midget....

    Being blinded by his fanatic leftist Mother Earth religion makes it nearly impossible for him to see that Human Caused Glogal Climate Change theory is for the expressed purpose of ending capitalism and personal liberty......

    And is also his distraction once again today here at OW....because he cannot face the present day....

    Judge Mukasey clears committee easily, and with bipartisan support......11-8!.....

    Oh no....what is the fringe anti-American left and Olbermann going to do now?.....

    Spit and hyperventalate?

    What about that impeachment resolution?

    What about that Iraq War funding?

    It is turning out to be a taunting day.....

    STOP THE WAR.....CUT THE FUNDS NOW!
    STOP THE CRIMINALS.....IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY NOW!

    And this is my post today, the 1,651st day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    "Thinking such as your's is a cancer on our nation that needs to be cut out." MIKE posted 10/4/07 7:02PM

    Just for the record, which communist country did the info on global warming get its start ?
    Posted by: Why don't I think at November 6, 2007 1:45 PM

    California

    Fruit loops are here!

    "They waterboard "suspected" terrorists who are never charged and then released."

    What freak conspiracy website do you pull this crap from?
    Try debating with facts rather than KeithO propaganda.

    This site pulls the loons from everywhere.

    WHY has drank the koolaid...
    NBC is going straight down the toilet and he thinks it is a great media revolution. Stagnant ratings this year have proven that their liberal aganda is heading down the same desperate road that Air America meandered down.

    KeithO will remain the figurehead of a third place news network... and only idiots like you will watch as it becomes more and more marginalized. The ratings are dropping.

    And bringing in (9-11 was an inside job) Rosie to boister your network's credibility is a perfect example of how pathetic you, Olbermann and MSNBC has become.

    WHY has drank the koolaid...
    NBC is going straight down the toilet and he thinks it is a great media revolution. Stagnant ratings this year have proven that their liberal aganda is heading down the same desperate road that Air America meandered down.

    KeithO will remain the figurehead of a third place news network... and only idiots like you will watch as it becomes more and more marginalized. The ratings are dropping.

    And bringing in (9-11 was an inside job) Rosie to boister your network's credibility is a perfect example of how pathetic you, Olbermann and MSNBC has become.

    Why- simply name the ones that have been waterboarded.
    You brought to light the assinine statement.

    Good stuff for your ignorant eyes WHY.


    http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2007/03/confessions_of_.html

    An ABC documentation of an "innocent" terrorist that was waterboarding into confessing to murdering thousands! Complete with a PDF of the confession.

    Get out of the closet.... name the waterboarded terrorists you are defending... its your idiotic game.

    Oh well, mental midget, 100% of the godless left were sure about eugenics when it was fact and look where that science went.

    I am a scientist and deal with cause and effect everyday....NO ONE has proven a cause/effect relationship between man's behavior and global climate changes...no one....Other very rational and proven influences can change the climate....there is only correlation between recent temperatures and CO2 levels....correlation does not prove cause.

    The calamity predicted cannot be guaranteed nor can any scientist say with certainty that the modest changes in CO2 that would be achieved even in the most agressive programs will result in stopping the calamities predicted.

    One needs more faith in Human caused Clobal Climate Change than was needed to believe in eugenics....The mixing of the scientific/governmental/ideological/religious is a dangerous thing and you show us all of this in spades, mental midget!

    I also remember something about the seperation of church and state, and the way this debate is headed, "clogal warming is a moral issue!" you leftists may have a problem.

    Oh how easy it is to see flawed human nature go down another dead end....just like eugenics.

    I have posted this before and will end with it again....a rational view of what the religious left is doing, once again, to inspire fear to advance their agenda....

    http://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen/180_Eugenics.pdf

    I agree with the global warming guys...the earth's temperature should stay the same and never increase, except during ice age periods...then it is ok for the temperature to increase...to melt the ice...as long as the temperature doesn't increase too much and kill the polar bears.

    Why- simply name the ones that have been waterboarded.
    You brought to light the assinine statement.


    Posted by: benson at November 6, 2007 2:28 PM


    Now, why would 'why' go and do somethinglike that. That wouldn't be like him. He still hasn't proven nbc has done anything that comes near what Bush has done for climate change after claiming Bush had done nothing. Let me re-phrase that. Anything, period. TOO DAMN FUNNY!

    WHY- they admitted 3 -
    I posted earlier today that they only WB'ed
    the top level terrorists (3). Read more
    than your own posts idiot!

    Point is - do you expect trials for Kalid?
    Just getting your goofy opinions on records.

    Your quote:
    "They waterboard "suspected" terrorists who are never charged and then released."

    Key words of your idiocy "suspected" and "never charged"
    Kalid's guilt has never been in question.

    Leftist children (mental midget, etc)....who is going to kill Kucinich's Impeachment resolution?.....

    The Democrats! He, he, he....the very people who came in 11/06 to save us all from the criminals, Bush/Cheney!.....

    "WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- U.S. House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said Tuesday he will block an effort to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney.

    "Democratic presidential hopeful Rep. Dennis Kucinich of Ohio has announced he will try to force a vote on Cheney's impeachment.

    "Hoyer said he will use parliamentary tactics to table that effort.

    "'Impeachment is not on the agenda,' Hoyer said.

    "Hoyer said his decision was not based upon the merits of the impeachment effort, but rather because the new Democratic majority had more important issues to resolve."

    http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20071106%5cACQDJON200711061303DOWJONESDJONLINE000548.htm&


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    The biggest defender of DARTH VADER is Representative Hoyer....a member of the leftist ruling class!

    Oh boy....what will Olbermann do?....He brown-noses these people yet what has it gotten him?.....The criminals remain in power!

    Funded!

    Poor, poor leftists....justice for the constitution and human rights IS NOT ON THE DEMOCRATS AGENDA!

    What a joke!

    Did your home work
    Here are your friends WHY

    Known Waterboarded
    Kalid

    Suspected Waterboarded
    Abu Faraj al-Libbi Captured in Pakistan
    Abu Zubaydah Captured in Pakistan

    Not charged either-

    Would Jesus approve torture?

    Posted by: Why don't you think at November 6, 2007 2:47 PM


    I'm Jesus and I approve torture.

    Maybe you haven't heard that Bush's Attorney General was just approved. The one that would not stand against waterboarding. This is America, happily leaving your whining ass behind as we protect our citizens against terrorist that kill innocent people.

    (INSERT any CEE POST HERE that mocks the left's lack of leadership)

    "America won't stand what your administration is doing in America's name."


    ###
    Yeah right....so much has happened to support this fluff since 11/06, mental midget.....Impeachment, war defunding, blocking of an AG nominee that will not bow at the leftist altar and chant...."WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL, WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL, WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL......"

    Mental midget looks to 11/08 for his hope....oh will he be disappointed.

    Known Waterboarded
    Kalid

    Suspected Waterboarded
    Abu Faraj al-Libbi Captured in Pakistan
    Abu Zubaydah Captured in Pakistan

    Not charged either-

    Posted by: at November 6, 2007 2:51 PM


    OOHHHHH! A masive list of (1)! The far left crowd booooos!

    I think the progress the congress has made this year shows how much leadership the Democrats have after promising major changes. 14% congressional approval... numbers WHY thinks show progress.

    THAT is too damn funny.

    I'll repost the facts because it seems mental midget and the coward at 3:05PM want to ignore it....

    "Yeah right....so much has happened to support this fluff since 11/06, mental midget.....Impeachment, war defunding, blocking of an AG nominee that will not bow at the leftist altar and chant....'WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL, WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL, WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL......'"

    53% of Americans approved of Mr. Bush's authorizing eavesdropping without prior court approval

    61% approve of torture of high level terrorist

    Looks like the Republicans have a better grasp of the public opinion than you loons on these issues.

    I'll run on these issues any day- fruit!

    Ah, the democrats whose top 3 candidates at the last fun-fest (debate) admitted that they will not be pulling troops out of iraq... So are you really gonna run on the war? The war you won't end. The war that a democrat president won't end?

    Maybe you can just continue to run against Bush.

    24% LOON!
    Another lie or just plain being wrong?

    Why is pretty sure of his/her predictions. It'll be interesting to see if that cold, calculating, no personality witch called Hillary can actually win seeing as how she can't even get over 48% in a matchup against Ron Paul.

    "It will be that much more satisfying when you hang your head in defeat" after all these predictions you keep making don't come true.

    Your ways are ending very soon.America won't stand what your administration is doing in America's name.

    Posted by: Why don't I think at November 6, 2007 2:51 PM

    Better tell that to your fearless leaders

    "Hoyer said his decision was not based upon the merits of the impeachment effort, but rather because the new Democratic majority had more important issues to resolve."

    If this is a criminal administration, then why is it not important for the Dems to impeach the VP? What more important issues do they have to tackle? Naming more post offices? LOL

    so you are gonna run against Bush....
    you need more material comedian

    Mental midget was predicting troop number reductions by the summer after the 11/06 election and believed Congressional oversight would result in all sorts of hidden goodies....

    Nada.

    And mental midget is wrong...again....a simple majority is all that is needed to Impeach The President and Vice President....Not ONE republican would be needed to go after justice and end this criminal administration.

    Mental midget wrong again?....Wow....Why am I not surprised.

    Really now, mental midget....calling someone a criminal without one official pronouncement of guilt is a rather sad state of affairs. Clinton was a criminal and this was codified in a BIPARTISAN impeachment vote!....Nothing done about Bush?

    Ah but the sodomist adulterer just had to keep his office and the process went on and the dear good ol' boy kept his post.

    Too bad.

    Again....WHO is stopping the impeachment of the VP?......

    DEMOCRATS!

    "How "big of a man" does it take to deny posting under other names, like both of you have done?"

    Certainly 'bigger' than a paranoid little man like yourself who literally polluted this board with incorrect and unimportant accusations about who was posting as who.

    Yes, in my VERY early days on this board, I used lots of names. I didn't see any problem with it and it looked like everyone else was doing it too....and I wasn't 'denying' it either.

    When I said I would stop, I DID pretty much stop, with only a few isolated insignificant exceptions in which I aimed a few critical and lampooning posts at a couple of abusive posters like "Laura Bush".

    The fact that J$ stopped well short of telling the WHOLE truth when he chose to 'out' me (after the fact) did nothing but help prove to me that he isn't ever interested in telling the WHOLE truth...no, not ever! ... About either Keith Olbermann, or anyone he perceives to be 'the enemy', ie., a supporter of Keith (which is something I already knew, but additional confirmation never hurts).

    Here is some of the "torture" that Why is always talking about. LOL

    NOVEMBER 6--An al-Qaeda operative serving life in prison for his role in the bombing of American embassies in Africa contends that his rights are being violated by U.S. jailers who have denied him access to Arabic publications and religious books, limited his mail privileges, and no longer allow him to use a Walkman. Mohamed Al-Owhali, 32, claims that his incarceration at the "supermax" federal prison in Florence, Colorado has left him so severely depressed that he stopped eating for months, forcing Bureau of Prisons officials to feed him via a tube placed through his nose. In a new U.S. District Court lawsuit, Al-Owhali wants a judge to order prison brass to provide him with expedited mail services, expanded phone privileges, and access to radio and TV news broadcasts and English and Arabic newspapers and magazines. Currently, Al-Owhali claims, he is only provided with month-old copies of USA Today, "with several pages-sections removed." The convicted terrorist is held in virtual isolation in a special security unit at Florence, per Department of Justice guidelines known as Special Administrative Measures. Attached to Al-Owhali's handwritten October 19 lawsuit is a copy of an internal BoP complaint form filed by the inmate and a BoP memo to Al-Owhali detailing the SAM measures governing his incarceration. The Osama bin Laden disciple and three codefendants were convicted in 2001 for their roles in simultaneous car bomb attacks at U.S. embassies in Nairobi and Tanzania. Those blasts killed a total of 224 people and injured thousands of other victims

    Please send more ACLU lawyers to help this poor soul.

    Cee: "Again....WHO is stopping the impeachment of the VP?...."

    And once again, what's your point?

    A better question is: WHO suported and is continuing to support this UN-American SOB?.... A man who has usurped power a VP should never have had in the first place in order to literally undermine America in so many selfish and important ways.

    The first step, impeachment, is a formal accusation by a simple majority of the House. This vote leaves the accused in office, while he is "tried" by the Senate. A two-thirds majority there results in removal from office. So, congress could impeach the VP with a simple majority, to remove him they need 2/3 majority. So WDIT is wrong again.

    But if Cheney (and Bush) were as horrible as you people seem to think they are and had committed the "crimes" that you seem to think they have, don't you think that the American people would be demanding their removal from office and would put pressure on their lawmakers to do so, no matter what their party? Once again, the Dems are trying to have it both ways and claim that it isn't their fault, when they are the party in power, just like Hillary, claiming she is against the war, never mind her vote for it.

    "There are not enough ( republican) votes to impeach anyone."


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    Yes there is, mental midget....there is a simple leftist ruling class majority in The House....The place where impeachment starts and ends....duh!

    You said impeachment needs republican votes....it does not....conviction with removal from office needs 2/3 of The Senate, but you were not talking about that, mental midget...you posted about impeachment.....

    Did the sodomist adulterer leftist BJ Clinton set a new level of dishonor in not resigning to spare the country the pain of impeachment, essentially The United States version of the no confidence vote?....

    I guess so....right outside the very office he commited his act of sodomy, the left fringe held a pep rally after the bipartisan vote to impeach the man....oh what wonderful memories....

    All the while radical islamists were preparing for 9/11....OBL ready to go ahead and kill Americans on American soil.......

    What a happy pep rally that was!

    I wonder what Bush/Cheney would do after being impeached by The US House of Representatives?

    We'll never know...why?...because of the democrats.

    Yep, mental midget is wrong again.....a majority impeaches....try keeping up!

    You can't even understand what you read.
    It's exactly as I stated.

    Posted by: Why don't I think at November 6, 2007 4:23 PM

    No actually you can't. Congress can impeach the VP anytime they want, they just need to vote on it. If they want to remove him, that is a different story. So, why won't they try to impeach the VP?

    "A better question is: WHO suported and is continuing to support this UN-American SOB?.... A man who has usurped power a VP should never have had in the first place in order to literally undermine America in so many selfish and important ways."


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    House Majority Whip Hoyer (D)
    House Speaker Pelosi (D)
    Majority Leader Reid (D)
    Senator Schumer (D)
    Senator Feinstein (D)

    and so many more of your ruling class who allow Bush and Cheney to remain in power and fully funding his policy for freedom and democracy in Iraq!

    Oh the irony!

    Again...I said it in November, '06......IF they are comitting crimes against The US Constitution, IT IS THE DUTY of the above to begin investigation, begin impeachment and have a trial where the facts are presented and the accussed judged....

    But you and mental midget seem more satisfied with the silly court of public opinion that has no influence on the Constitutional operation of our republic....THANK YOU FOUNDERS!

    Cut the funds to stop the war!
    Stop the criminals, impeach 'em!

    Real leadership demands the risk presented to stand by the principle.....You guys have not shown this attribute but it does not surprise me....you are leftists and have no principle!


    No Brandon, I DON'T think the "majority of the American people would be demanding their removal from office and would put pressure on their lawmakers to do so"....just as the majority of the American people were AGAINST the Clinton impeachment.

    The American people, taken as a whole, are incredibly complacent and selfish. Most only care about what they perceive affects themselves and their little lives directly. It's a sad, simple little fact of life in today's America.

    Bring back the draft and see how many of them start to care about whether a war is really necessary or not?

    Violation of law does not require public support to enforce it....shame on you Mike!

    I guess we should poll people before prosecuters decide to indict criminals?

    Cee, your ridiculous whining and whinnying about why the 'left' doesn't impeach someone who's misdeeds YOU solidly support is about as silly as defending OJ Simpson because he happened to be aquitted.

    Does the fact that he was aquitted make him NOT a murderer? Does the fact that he was aquitted make him legally a free man?

    It somehow makes sense to you...but it has never made any sense to me why you taunt your opponents on this blog about things which they have no control.

    That said, the fact that you derive pleasure from taunting at all says far more about your lack of character than you even have the capacity to understand.

    I guess we should poll people before prosecuters decide to indict criminals?

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    We do after the fact, Herr Dense. It's called jury nullification. Ever heard of OJ?

    Find a new rallying cry, Herr Dense. This is old.

    "Violation of law does not require public support to enforce it...."

    I didn't say it did.

    But what we are discussing here is far more sinister than any clear cut "violation of law".

    We are talking about a wholesale violation of public trust in a way that has done more real and lasting damage to America, it's future, and it's all important image than 10,000 lies about an immoral and stupid extramarital sexual affair ever could.

    When confronted with facts Mike and WDIT ignore them and turn to insults. You all claim that your wonderful Democrat Congress was elected to save the people from George Bush but what have they accomplished? A toothless resolution to investigate. On the one hand, you claim that the Democrats election was a grand defeat for the GOP, and then you say there are too many republicans to get anything done. You sound as pathetic as your politicians.

    Since so many on the right keep bringing up the Clinton impeachment, lets discuss a little reality:

    If Clinton HAD been convicted, Gore would have become president immediately....Gore, as an incumbent, would have almost certainly been re-elected by a landslide....America would not have invaded Iraq,....and America's foreign policy would almost certainly be in safer and saner hands today.

    I forgot to add... thats jusy my opinion.

    I derive pleasure from you being wrong, Mike.

    IF there was true criminality, Bush and Cheney would have been out 4 years ago.....No one in the executive has come forward with evidence that The Constitution has been violated or people have broken the law......

    Is this because Darth Vader and The Emperor have imposed a fascist state.....hardly....

    We get lovely little "leaks" about silly things like Olbermann's latest Special Comment tripe...mostly from unnamed sources....Hardly the way of the dark side.

    Guess what...if we had real illegality here....this all would blossom....period.

    illegal wiretapping
    waterboarding
    etc.
    etc.
    etc.

    So, again, the facts seem to dismiss your hyperbole about criminality......you are proven wrong again....The AG nominee passed....there is no impeachment being allowed....by who people?.....THE LEFTIST RULING CLASS!

    My point since 11/06, and my point today.

    Oh, and Larry.....jury nullification is a rare occurance and most normal people cast their vote the way it is supposed to be under a law.....based on the evidence. Prosecuters dislike such events because we are a nation of laws....not of men and women.....a republic accountable to the rule of law, not a human being.

    So I will repeat to the leftists here at OW.....

    IMPEACH THE CRIMINALS NOW!
    CUT THE FUNDS NOW!

    These are the constitutional ways.

    Thanks for nothing The Fantasy. Good and decent people all over America are hoping that your denial lasts through November 2008. I think it will last much longer. With folks like you, we hrdly have to campaign, but we've collected so much money we have to.

    Rudy! Rudy!! Rudy!!!

    Fred-e! Fred-e!! Fred-e!!!

    The name jackers are back at 4:55 making incredibly stupid 'points' about "opinions", when every single post on this blog is nothing but someone's "opinion".

    My favorite quote of today from WHY-

    "There are not enough ( republican) votes to impeach anyone.
    Again, no matter how many times this fact is listed, idiots like the Factor, Cee etc. keep saying it."

    It didn't take Cee long to pounce on this ignoramous. Obviously the statement is wrong. And yet he calls cee and factor idiots in the same breath.

    I think this frames why "Why Do You Think"'s insults are so ridiculous. Maybe you should stick to fact checking and temper down your meritless insults.

    "We are talking about a wholesale violation of public trust in a way that has done more real and lasting damage to America, it's future, and it's all important image than 10,000 lies about an immoral and stupid extramarital sexual affair ever could."


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    All the more reason to risk political position and Impeach!....Oh and the sodomist adulterer LIED under oath in a judicial procedure that obstructed justice for a women seeking it.....I think that qualifies as....

    "wholesale violation of public trust in a way that has done more real and lasting damage to America"


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    The dear sodomist even asked for forgiveness for lying to The American People, Mike.....Oh he got it all right....and the terrorists continued to train, plot and prepare.....

    tick, tick, tick to 9/11/01.......and the sodomist adulterer liar was distracted by his personal, political crisis....

    What a different situation if he had done the honorable thing and resigned....

    You're right....Al Gore would have taken over and likely would have won 2000....

    Oh but the terrible things after 9/11....

    The Taliban would still be in power.

    Saddam would now be pursuing nuclear weapons along with Iran.

    And OBL would still be launching his attacks on freedom-loving people everywhere as he continues to avoid the CRUISE attacks and hard words Clinton taught Gore to use.

    But at least this year's Nobel Peace Prize would have gone to someone more deserving.

    Factor: "When confronted with facts Mike and WDIC ignor them and turn to insults."

    THIS bit of insight from one who is famous for starting flame wars on this blog by unilaterally calling posters names like "coward", "moron", "stupid", or "traitor", .... and then retreating back in your dark little hole like the hypocrite you clearly are.

    You obviously admire taunting. I detest taunting in any form. Small human beings resort to taunting....and just as we see on this blog, those small human beings can't see how small they are...because they keep right on taunting about things the ones they happen to be taunting have absolutely no control over.

    This obviously makes sense to you people, but to me it is simply a way of replacing debate with meaningless hyperbole...and calling you on it is anything BUT a "personal attack".

    Cee: "The Taliban would still be in power."

    I DISAGREE!

    Going into Afghanistan made sense. Gore would have done that. The vast majoirty of Americans, both left and right, unstood that. So did most of the world, and ALL of our traditional allies.

    Going into Iraq made NO sense!

    If we had stayed out of Iraq, the Taliban would be far weaker, Saddam at best would still be in his little box, America would be far stronger, and the world would be a far safer place.

    I would only be able to taunt if you were wrong, Mike....My first post today said as much.....

    I knew Judge Mukasey would be supported by a bipartisan majority despite the fringe left (represented by you and mental midget presently) being so apoplectic about him not being a coward afraid of the politically correct left and repeating like a zombie...."WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL, WATERBOARDING IS ILLEGAL...."

    I knew Kucinich would bring up his impeachment agenda but would be shot down by......NOT REPUBLICANS....BUT BY FELLOW DEMOCRATS!

    he, he,he....I can taunt because the fringe left is once again shown their radical agenda has NO place in leading this country!

    But, again, you want your cake and eat it too....you want to say Bush and Cheney are criminals but support leaders not prepared to be real patriots and stand on principle...the other aspect of the left.....no true leadership abilities.

    So....no principle, radical agenda and lack of leadership abilities......

    Begin the taunting.....

    And George Bush and Dick Cheney go to bed tonight as Mr. President and Mr. Vice President.

    And the 20% of the country that is part of the radical anti-American left can continue their crazed anger as expressed through Olbermann.....BUSH IS A CRIMINAL!

    "I would only be able to taunt you if you were wrong Mike...."

    WHAT exactly does that have to do with it?

    What is it about YOU and your character that gives you pleasure in taunting others, even if you believe them to be wrong?

    President Bush outlined the policy to invade Afghanistan and use deadly force and invasion of countries supporting terrorism....

    Bill Clinton and Al Gore NEVER said they would do this. Period.

    Do not try to say Gore would have done what Bush did....he never gave any indication he would use the military effectively....as evidenced by the impotent actions taken by Clinton/Gore against OBL even after The USS Cole was attacked by terrorists!

    Gore is a leftist and leftists since LBJ have always been weak with military issues.

    Afghanistan would have NEVER been invaded....Gore would have gone down the sanctions route....The Taliban and all of their theocratic totalitarianism would still be in power and CRUISE missles would be being lauched as a response to 9/11/01....yeah, great.

    Oh, and Saddam.....A BIG FISH now with nuclear apns programs up and running, along with Iran

    To elaborate further Cee, you love to taunt me and others because the democrats in Congress are not going as far as I would personally like them to go.

    Ever heard of the concept of "the lesser of two evils". THAT is what we have here, whether either one of us likes it or not.

    Are you implying that I should be supporting the chickenhawks that got us into this mess in favor of the wishy washy fence sitters too cowardly to get us out of it?

    From 'The New York Times' 10-6-07

    That said, in a separate interview last week, Mr. Olbermann acknowledged that for MSNBC’s nighttime lineup to ultimately work, viewers needed to be able to follow at least some common themes from one show to another. He likened himself and his fellow hosts, collectively, to the menu of a hamburger restaurant with several variations of the same dish.

    “If you go into a burger place, and you go in there for the fish, you might want the fish occasionally but it’s probably a mistake,” he said. “Could you be utterly different politically and succeed in this format? You’d basically be throwing your audience away.”


    From Wikipedia- Mc Donalds

    McDonald's Corporation (NYSE: MCD) is the world's largest chain of fast-food restaurants, primarily selling hamburgers, cheeseburgers, chicken, french fries, breakfasts and soft drinks. More recently, it also offers salads, fruit, snack wraps, and carrot sticks. The business began in 1940....

    Gee! What a marketing Genius!

    Does this moron even know what a balance sheet is?

    So on Olby Planet what's going to happen first?

    Are the Karl Rove indictments going to show up? It's been over a year.

    Or are Mc Donalds, Burger King, Wendy's, Hardee's, White Castle, Roy Roger's going to go belly up?

    It is truly laughable to see, supposed great minds of the left hang on and believe every word from somebody who probably never worked a real job in his life.

    And can't get out of the way of a Subway Poll.

    Yes indeed! Bob Hope was right!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnSeihifUHk

    Now back to this dopey article from the Times.

    Cable Channel Nods to Ratings and Leans Left.

    Well gee, I guess if you really wanted 'Ratings Gold'. You would lean the other way. Wouldn't you?

    But at least MSLSD & NBC has finally come out and said, Hey! We are a shill for the left!!!!!!

    And with that said, it still seems the Republicans have no problem going on that network.

    While Democrats still don't have the balls to show up on Fox News?

    Republicans........not afraid of the Left.

    Democrats........afraid of the Right.

    ***********************************

    "I have said many times that I don't think the Democrats have done enough to place accountability on this administration.
    Their crimes go way beyond the Iraq war."

    Wow! Really WDYT?

    I mean how many probes has Waxman started? And he hasn't come up with anything in the six plus years.

    You're mighty Olby came right out last night and said criminal, but does he have any bombshells?

    NO!

    NO!

    NO!

    Maybe you should head down to Washington and bring a bagfull of those good drugs since 'WDYT The Genius'
    knows what every other Democrat in Washington has been trying to do for the last six plus years!

    Why you'll be made a national hero of the left!

    You're name will go down in History!

    WDYT brings down George Bush!

    I'm sure there have been enough nights where you have done enough drugs you saw that happen in you're mind!

    Dude, ready for reality?

    In six plus years, the man you and you're crew call the dumbest president ever and the most inept and criminal administration ever. Keeps rolling along.

    While these supposed brilliant minds on the left. Can't come up with anything in six plus years?

    Smoke another joint dim bulb.

    Those 'Karl Rove Indicments' will be showing up any day now!

    "Do not try to say Gore would have done what Bush did"

    I DIDN'T!

    I SAID: Gore would have gone into Afghanistan and NOT Iraq.

    In other words, I believe he would have followed a policy of common sense and actual defense of America regarding reaction to 911.

    And it IS simple common sense. I believe 90% of all possible presidential candidates would have been practical enough to understand that we had to go into Afghanistan while rejecting the ridiculous notion of attacking Iraq.

    Unfortunately, we just happened get stuck with this group of idiots at a critical time.

    Don't pretend to tell me what someone else would not have done even as you scold me for telling you what I think they would have done.

    "Are you implying that I should be supporting the chickenhawks that got us into this mess in favor of the wishy washy fence sitters too cowardly to get us out of it?"


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    No, I am saying that you are part of the radical left who has called Bush a criminal in 2000 for "stealing an election," and are simply still using hyperbole and lies to claim criminality in his effective war on terror.

    The radical left is only for itself....not America and definitely not for The US Constitution as it stands for freedom of thought and religion.....The radical left is for the achievement of a secular utopia that demands people believe a certain way, act a certain way in all of their life and do not have true liberty.

    This is the base foundation of The Democratic Party....They have no place in The Republican Party because it has a right of center world-view, radical change is not embraced. Prudential, rational change is the key for a "conservative." The left is radical and unstable...and radical against the best form of governance man has ever instituted....The US Constitution.

    The Iraq War is just an issue to The Left....as shown by the lack of action recently as good news has come out of Iraq and it does not serve a political purpose.

    "Those 'Karl Rove indictments' will be showing up any day now."

    Will you shut up about that, you cartoon character!

    Just because he didn't get indicted doesn't mean he didn't deserve to be indicted.

    Ethics Puck, ETHICS! A word that clearly has no meaning to you!

    Mike, based on how Clinton reacted time and again to Al Queda with CRUISE missles, you have no evidence to claim Gore would ahve had any different reaction....The Democrats have never invaded another country since LBJ....their leftist fringe base would not allow it!

    Armchair quarterbacking is nice, but Gore was a whimp....We would have been in big trouble post-9/11 with a President Gore....

    It would have been CRUISE MISSLES, sanctions and crossed fingers.

    More Ceeisms:

    "No, I am saying you are part of the radical left who has called Bush a criminal in 2000 "stealing an election"."

    Then clearly you don't read or listen. Once again, I VOTED FOR GWB in 2000, and you haven't read one single post of mine in which I accused him of stealing that election. Now are you just going to call me a "liar" about that the way Factor loves to do?
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "and are simply using hyperbole and lies to claim criminality in his effective war on terror."

    You're wrong again...as usual. His "war on terror" has been anything BUT "effective". MY stance and positions on this have absolutely NOTHING to do with "left vs right", or "democrats vs Republicans", and have everything to do with common sense and reality.....just as the famous 'lefty' Pat Buchanon might say.

    Cee: "based on how Clinton reacted time and again"

    Don't be ridiculous! Clinton never had a 911 level event, ... and Gore isn't Clinton!

    Oh well....It takes the principled Republicans to force the toothless and weak Democrats to take their responsibilities as US Representatives seriously....

    "The vote to table the privileged resolution, offered by Ohio Democrat Dennis Kucinch, began as a largely party-line vote to kill the measure, but Republicans developed a strategy to force Democrats to debate the resolution by supporting Kucinich. GOP leaders felt as though it was in their interest to debate the measure because it would make Democrats look bad.

    "After more than an hour of waiting for the vote to close, the motion to table the resolution failed by a vote of 162-251 after Democratic leaders failed to convince a group of liberal caucus members to side with them."


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    Oh well....DARTH VADER continues to govern unscathed...but there is always tomorrow!

    Stop the criminals!....Impeach Bush and Cheney!

    Stop the war!....Cut the funds NOW!

    And this is my post today, the 1,651st day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    "Thinking such as your's is a cancer on our nation that needs to be cut out." MIKE posted 10/4/07 7:02PM

    SODOMY!

    Another classless, taunting post by the infamous deplorable Cee.

    .....but informative (Did you know the House Republicans actually voted to continue the debate on impeaching Cheney?), humorous and (as always)instructive on the current poisonous partisan political atmosphere that is so necessary for the anti-American left to flourish....Just like in 1968!

    "Those who support them are traitors"......

    Then you must conclude that the 162 representatives that voted to table Kucinich's impeachment resolution are traitors....along with....

    Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D)
    Senator Harry Reid (D)
    Senator Chuck Schumer (D)
    Senator Diane Feinstein (D)
    Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi (D)....

    Should I go on?

    Oh, and those political science professors.....did they teach you what you know because it shows....Prove to me one item I even posted today that is factually incorrect....

    Impeachment?
    War funding cuts?
    The anti-American left which also is responsible for the terrible state of or "educated" populace?...likely some of those political science professors you idolize, killa!

    Oh well....keep trying, killa....I hope you find someone you can fool with your act.

    SODOMY!

    Typical Mike. 70 posts a day to fill the void in his otherwise colorless life.

    Mike's Wife: "Honey, do want to go out to dinner tonight?

    Mike: "Pipe down, woman! I have three more hours of commie liberal posting to do tonight!"

    Repub Killa,

    When our legal and legislative processes are simplified to merely obtaining the opinions of you and ten political science profs (let alone the premise that our supporting people you make unsubstantiated charges against is tantamount to treason) you will then have a point about the dire state of the Union.

    Until then, goodness knows with this level of argument, you are a Repub Killer. :D

    Our sides are hurting!...Stop!..You're killing us!...


    Some seem to think we need to have a new LAW put in place to keep the president and his men in line.

    AMAZING! We have tried and convicted enemies in the past as "war criminals" for using waterboarding.

    But we NOW have to have a specific law put in place in order to hold America to a minimum standard of decency....and it's own constitution.

    And you people continue to defend this?

    But you're right about one thing Cee. Some of the Democrats caved once again.

    Oh man (pardon the pun). Rachel Maddow is blaming the Dem leadership for impeding VP Cheney's impeachment proceedings. LOL. I think Kucinich must have been beamed up into the UFO he claims to have seen.

    Red State @ 8:49 PM: "Typical Mike, 70 posts a day."

    Hi 'Red State'...long time, no hear!

    Now that THATS out of the way. How about doing a quick review and finding those "70 posts a day" you just LIED about me making?

    That said, if I'm a "Commie", you're nothing short of a Nazi (a lying one!).

    Mikey says that:

    "AMAZING! We have tried and convicted enemies in the past as "war criminals" for using waterboarding. "

    I must have missed that.

    Citations please.

    Grammie

    Yes. I'm sure they all support the torture and the war. Or they know they can't get the votes to get it through...maybe. Douche bag.


    Posted by: Republican Killa at November 6, 2007 8:37 PM


    Actually, it's the Republicans who are forcing Congress to take up debate on the merits of Kucinich's impeachment resolution.

    The Dems are trying to table the resolution in order to shut down PUBLIC debate on a matter you've deemed of traitorous national import.

    After a day of reading the most puerile, over-heated, and idiotic spit-balls from WDYC and company, portraying their maniacal selves as representative of a war-weary and economically concerned American public, the immense irony here is especially poetic!

    Janet, I'll give you no citations for anything until you stop calling me "Mikey".

    I used to believe you were a better person than that...but maybe disrespect, personal attacks, and name calling is just an inherent extreme right wing thing (see "Red State" above for yet another unprovoked example).

    As I pointed out to you once before, I have shown the decency to avoid jumping on the "old lady" bandwagon regarding you....kindly show me the same kind of restraint!

    Translation:

    Mikey doesn't have a clue but it sounded good.

    Grammie

    Janet, I apologized and promised to never call you the 'B' word again, but you sure as hell are acting like one - again!

    That said, I just did an internet seach using something called "google" using three key word groups, including "waterboarding", "Japanese", and "war criminal". If you do this, you will find not one, but many hits that detail how we tried and convicted not one, but several Japanese as war criminals for waterboarding US prisoners of war.

    I'm not going to do it for you, but the facts are there for anyone who bothers to look.

    This FACT was also mentioned on the floor of the US Senate today.

    I hope all the american soldiers who support this war get water boarded...

    Posted by: Bill O'lielly at November 6, 2007 9:09 PM


    I used to believe you were a better person than that...but maybe disrespect, personal attacks, and name calling is just an inherent extreme right wing thing (see "Red State" above for yet another unprovoked example).

    posted by 'mike'

    Actually, I think Bill O'Leilly is nothing but a right wing shill who posts here strictly to try to make the left look as bad as possibly.

    Isn't that right O'Leilly?


    But you're right about one thing Cee. Some of the Democrats caved once again.

    Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2007 8:55 PM

    Just the Speaker of the House, the Majority Leader, two ranking members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, and the likely Democratic presidential nominee. :D

    "Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D)
    Senator Harry Reid (D)
    Senator Chuck Schumer (D)
    Senator Diane Feinstein (D)
    Speaker of The House Nancy Pelosi (D)"

    Actually, I think Bill O'Leilly is nothing but a right wing shill who posts here strictly to try to make the left look as bad as possibly.

    Isn't that right O'Leilly?

    Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2007 9:33 PM

    Didn't you try that with your Red State alter or some such?


    "Didn't you try that with your Red State alter or some such?"

    Who knows? You mean in my VERY early days on this blog in which I freely admit I used lots of other names...and J$ conveniently failed to tell the WHOLE truth about (as he ALWAYS does)?

    Who knows? You mean in my VERY early days on this blog in which I freely admit

    posted by mike

    Wasn't a certain olbyloon just saying something about 'after the fact' earlier? LOL!

    Wasn't a certain olbyloon just saying something about 'after the fact' earlier?"

    Beats wasting words to say absolutely nothing, something you are the 'ROYAL King' of doing.

    Mikey, you claim that J$ did not give us the WHOLE STORY about you. Bad J$!

    You have the forum here to let it all hang out and give us the WHOLE STORY.

    I am all ears for your story about J$'s maligning of you. As you said:

    "J$ conveniently failed to tell the WHOLE truth about (as he ALWAYS does)"

    Give us the WHOLE TRUTH that you claim J$ " conveniently failed to tell"

    Grammie

    "Didn't you try that with your Red State alter or some such?"

    Who knows? You mean in my VERY early days on this blog in which I freely admit I used lots of other names...and J$ conveniently failed to tell the WHOLE truth about (as he ALWAYS does)?
    Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2007 9:43 PM

    Well, then....(after which you didn't tell the whole truth and repeatedly vowed that you had only posted as Mutt and Woggy during your tenure here and would never do it again) and, perhaps the time a couple of months ago when that problematic old Johnny said you again used an alias.

    Well Janet, so you thought you'd just drop the 'waterboarding' thing you just made a fool of yourself about by expressing your own ignorance in a weak attempt to play 'gotcha' again?

    Thought you'd just replace that with yet another 'Mikey' headered personal attack that has nothing to do with issues...even though I have personally asked you to refrain from doing it...several times?

    Thought you'd just ignore the 5 or 6 posts that I've already made explaining the WHOLE story and demand that I do it again...just for you?

    Nope... I have been the same person the entire time I have visited this pathetic blog,,, and as Joe Strummer said... " If death comes so cheap the same goes for life " ,, and if this country waterboards people I think that the terrorists.. I mean the other terrorists have every right to do the same thing to the people who were naive enough to buy into this pathetic oil grab.

    Posted by: Bill O'lielly at November 6, 2007 9:59 PM

    See. O'liely may be the usual adolescent leftwing tantrum-prone egocentric moron we see here, but at least he's not accusing someone else of lies while yawning at his own.

    So show me where I ever "vowed" that I had only posted as Mutt and "Woggy"?

    I mainly just both laughed and flamed at Jeff for accusing me of posting as names that I wasn't posting as.

    SO you think that when the controversy arose way back when, that I should have come clean about something that wasn't at all important, and I had pretty much resolved to stop doing anyway?

    Otherwise, that makes me a bad, bad, man?

    Say Cecelia, Janet:

    IF you two ever posted under other names, which is entirely possible as far as I'm concerned, are you naive enough to think I believe J$ would let us know about it?

    Yes, there IS a double standard here....but don't take that as a complaint....just an observation.

    Mike,

    I find it amazing that a few people here think that this site is "Mike Watch". I don't know why that should be, because you are quite boring. And no, you aren't the only boring person here. Why don't you do something totally out of character, like posting one original thought? Then we can all talk about that.

    Mike,

    Let's stick to cool topics like waterboarding. We get to waterboard illegal combatants because they have no rights in this country. They are "illegal combatants". They are not entitled access to our legal system. They are not entitled to an "OJ Jury". Our legal system is of, by, and for us, not the enemy who wants to destroy us. And we only waterboard those who we think might have information that would be useful to us. We aren't waterboarding anybody just for fun. It's all business.

    Rico:

    "I find it amazing that a few people here think that this site is "Mike Watch"."

    Yeah, they really should see a psychiatrist about that as soon as possible.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "I don't know why that should be, because you are quite boring."

    Are you implying that I should be upset that someone who has advocated genocide against all Muslems more than once says he finds me "boring"?
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Why don't you do something totally out of character?"

    Pot, meet kettle.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "like posting one original thought."

    Would you rather to talk about say....something like drag racing or the antique business, instead of current issues and KO?
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Then we can all talk about that"

    Lets all talk about your genocide suggestions. At least THEY weren't boring.

    Aw, Rico...make up your mind now!

    You just called me boring, but now you say you want to rehash waterboarding all over again?

    and I had 'pretty much' resolved to stop doing anyway?

    Otherwise, that makes me a bad, bad, man?

    Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2007 10:12 PM


    The 4th time he has used the term 'pretty much.' Things that make you go hmmm.....

    "The 4th time he has used the term 'pretty much.'

    Got nothing better to do than keep track of how many times someone else uses certain word groupings, huh?

    It's amazing to behold some of the special talents that otherwise retarded folks often have.

    The 4th time he has used the term 'pretty much.' Things that make you go hmmm.....

    Posted by: royal king at November 6, 2007 10:54 PM

    >>It's called 'making a point' something you have no idea how to accomplish. It's a very valid point and observation, I might add.

    "It's a very valid point and observation, I might add."

    If you does sez so your own sef!

    Mikey, ask and you shall receive:

    "So show me where I ever "vowed" that I had only posted as Mutt and "Woggy"?

    I mainly just both laughed and flamed at Jeff for accusing me of posting as names that I wasn't posting as.

    SO you think that when the controversy arose way back when, that I should have come clean about something that wasn't at all important, and I had pretty much resolved to stop doing anyway?

    Otherwise, that makes me a bad, bad, man?
    Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2007 10:12 PM "

    #####################

    How about this by you on the thread @ Oct 9:

    ""Cecelia: "Oh please, the people who choose to use different names here do so because THEY seek to be less personally accountable for "what is being said" rather than the converse."

    As someone who DOESN'T use different names, I still disagree!"

    Does that statement rise to the level of a vow? You tell us Mikey. Is your word only good when you take a VOW that you are being truthful? In that case every comment you have made here is suspect because you have not ever said that you were taking a vow that I have seen. There is no doubt that that statement you made was a blatant lie.

    #####################

    I responded to that comment:

    "As someone who DOESN'T use different names, I still disagree!"

    You did at one point use the names Woogy/Woozy and Mutt in addition to Mike.

    You did it, you admitted it and made your explanation and we all moved on."

    My naivete on display in that post at my age turns out to be a bit embarrassing. I was naive but you were flat out lying.

    ###################

    ""Cecelia, I haven't argued that posting under multiple names is admirable. That is why I don't do it myself."

    Of course you don't do THE DIRTY DEED Mikey except when you do do it.

    ##################

    "> Cecelia, I haven't argued that posting under multiple names is admirable. That is why I don't do it myself.

    Let's see...

    mike
    phil
    bubbajim
    willmashore
    Woogy
    RedState
    Buffy
    Bluebird
    FactCheck is a pompus/pompous jerk
    Liburahl
    Will
    Opama
    Gobledegook/gobbledeguck
    Pucko
    whodunnit/whodunit
    Redbird
    MYTVONLYGETSMSNBC
    Matt is a lapdog
    Woofy
    Matt is a hypocrite
    Namenabber
    Pink Wolf
    Blue Wolf
    Mutt
    Name
    Hypohater
    Francewasright
    Peter Piper/Peterpiper
    Blue Patriot
    Dicky
    hater
    Rudy
    Jimbo

    plus a lot of one-or-two shots like:

    Brandon
    Joker
    Taty Kuric
    Yogi Nimrod

    I quit going over the list about half way through. So the actual number may be around twice what you see above.
    Posted by: johnny dollar at October 11, 2007 6:10 PM""
    #########################

    I am waiting with bated breath for your expose of THE WHOLE TRUTH!

    I do request that when you give us the whole truth that you make it in the form of a VOW so that we can all have confidence that you are being truthful!

    Grammie

    The snake slithers away.....


    Yet another chapter in Dipshit's Freudian case study. He and his co-pervert the Damn Crackpot are going for a 60 volume set. All old stuff dealing with their latent homsexuality, to be sure. The only thing illuminating is the intensity of their fear of a strong woman. Hillary drives them under Cecelia's and Grannie's skirts to cower as quickly as the site of a Military Recruiter. Thank goodness we have other people to fight their wars so they can live out their pathologies in relative peace.

    The Republican gubernatorial incumbent in Texas loses by almost 20%. Is this a trend, Sharon?

    Of course, I readily admit that the issue wasn't Iraq. The issues were incompetence and corruption. Not issues associated with any Repugnantcans.

    Janet:

    First off, You REALLY are obsessed with this, aren't you? What in the HELL is wrong with you? And what exactly puts you under the illusion that I somehow owe YOU any kind of explanation anyway? .... Especially as you steadfastly refuse to honor my very simple request I have made for you to honor my REAL name?

    Second off, I'm less than impressed that after ALL that time searching the best you could come up with is two very RECENT quotes, from which I was pretty much (yes Jeff, I just said it again, and I know you're out there just waiting to play your usual game of 'gotcha') posting only as Mike. In fact, one of those example is the one that triggered J$'s outburst in which he intentionally left out the whole story.

    Now Jeff, and Janet, "Pretty much" means just as it sounds....an acknowledgement that I had regressed just a couple of times ("one or two shots", as J$ put it) and used another name to confront a couple of posts from among others, your good friend 'Laura Bush', a well known name changer himself. If you consider those one or two shots (that were never addressed to or at you) as "lies", then so be it - I don't give a damn...can you understand that?

    Now, once again, for your benefit only, I will repeat why that expose was NOT the whole truth. Read carefully now, oh geriatric one, because I'm not going to repeat it again:

    When I first started posting on this blog just before the 2006 elections, I had NEVER posted on a blog before in my life. I did not understand the rules, or the fact that some regarded it as sort of a 'community'. It seemed normal and acceptable to use different names every day, and as far as I could tell, everyone else was doing it too.

    That said, at least 90% of all the names that J$ posted was from THAT early period, and THAT is precisely what made the implication he made dishonest. He was, by implication, implying that I was STILL regularly and routinely posting in other names, and that was NOT true at all.

    Did I technically tell a lie when I told Cecelia "that is why I don't do it"? The answer is yes....but at the time I made that statement, at least several weeks had already passed since the last time I had made a "one or two shot" post, and frankly, I had pretty much forgotten about it.

    Now If you STILL have a problem with that.... and simply cannot move on, 'then frankly my dear, I don't give a damn'.

    But, if so, I would advise you to get a life outside of this internet chat room!



    Say Cecelia, Janet:

    IF you two ever posted under other names, which is entirely possible as far as I'm concerned, are you naive enough to think I believe J$ would let us know about it?

    Yes, there IS a double standard here....but don't take that as a complaint....just an observation.

    Posted by: Mike at November 6, 2007 10:18 PM

    Mike,

    The double standard is that you call a guy a liar and then excuse yourself for engaging in lying.

    Consider that many liberals who have come and gone here have disagreed with Johnny's politics and his blogs without engaging in the sort of invective you've used.

    You seem to have really operated on the assumptioin that your presence here is so valuable to this blog that it would be in Johnny's best interest to ingore your calling him intentionally deceptive, a liar, and a mercenary, while he watched you say one thing and do is another.

    What a miserable old bag! Wants to make the whole world as miserable as she is. O, that is being a Repugnantcant, isn't it. Good job, you miserable old bag.

    Did I technically tell a lie when I told Cecelia "that is why I don't do it"? The answer is yes....but at the time I made that statement, at least several weeks had already passed since the last time I had made a "one or two shot" post, and frankly, I had pretty much forgotten about it.

    Now If you STILL have a problem with that.... and simply cannot move on, 'then frankly my dear, I don't give a damn'.

    But, if so, I would advise you to get a life outside of this internet chat room!

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 1:04 AM


    I'd advise you not to call anyone else a liar or an imposter (even O'liely) when you've proven that you are so adept at these things yourself.

    And yeah, when you do this stuff, we are going to remind you of it ....technically speaking... ya know...

    Everytime. Count on it.

    "You seem to have really operated on the assumption that your presence here is so valuable to this blog that it would be in Johnny's best interest to ignore your calling him intentionally deceptive."

    This entire blog is based on the premise of personal attacks and a very real attempt to literally bring down a person some of us happen to like....and those that don't have the very real option of ignoring that this person exists at all. There is nothing admirable going on here. When I called down Johnny, it was for very real reasons.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "a liar"

    I never called Johnny a "liar"....even though I truly believe the whole premise of what he is doing here is in fact, a lie. JOhnny Dollar is no more or less of an outright "liar" than Keith Olbermann is.
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "a mercenary"

    The question was asked more than once, and Johnny responded by dancing around the question while never giving an answer. It IS a legitimate question that DESERVES an honest answer as to whether the main gun in a personal attack site is paid or not?

    What a miserable old bag! Wants to make the whole world as miserable as she is. O, that is being a Repugnantcant, isn't it. Good job, you miserable old bag.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 7, 2007 1:49 AM


    Thanks, Llarry.

    In your case any sort of success would seem like a dream come true...

    Sorry Mrs. Jack Daniels, I have to call them like I see them. Otherwise, I'd be dishonest.

    Sorry Mrs. Jack Daniels, I have to call them like I see them. Otherwise, I'd be dishonest.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 7, 2007 1:58 AM

    You'd need lasik surgery of the brain in order to start seeing anything, Llarry.

    "Consider that many liberals who have come and gone here have disagreed with Johnny's politics and his blogs without engaging in the sort of invective you've used."

    How fitting since the word "Invective" perfectly describes the apparent mission of this site, as evidenced by it's hate filled "recaps" that are chock full of half truths about KO....along with an "invective" stream of endless personal insults.

    How fitting since the word "Invective" perfectly describes the apparent mission of this site, as evidenced by it's hate filled "recaps" that are chock full of half truths about KO....along with an "invective" stream of endless personal insults.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 2:04 AM


    Well, since you won't seem to leave, I guess the site's going to stay that way...

    Mikey, I am still waiting for your expose revealing the whole truth that J$ buried, according to you.

    Listen to yourself:

    You did it a lot in your earlier comments here (because you were a neophyte to the internet) but you haven't done it lately except when you did it a few times so of course you totally forgot about those few times and it was perfectly true, based on your poor memory, when you said:

    Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 2:25 PM

    "AS SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T USE DIFFERENT NAMES, I STILL DISAGREE"

    And then you said @:Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 4:23 PM

    "Cecelia, I haven't argued that posting under multiple names is admirable. THAT IS WHY I DON'T DO IT MYSELF."
    .
    Mikey, you can slice it and dice it anyway you want to but you still come out as a LIAR based on your comments above.


    Grammie

    "Well, since you won't seem to leave, I guess the site's going to stay that way..."

    Actually, it's fascinating to me, because I really don't see this kind of "invective" belligerance anywhere else. Cetainly not in "real" life, where I've never had the honor of someone unilaterally calling me things like "coward", "traitor", etc. to my face...something that is done here ALL the time by people you seem to support.

    I like this technical lie, Grammie:


    "So to everyone else here, you probably already know this, but whenever you see this MORON claim a post is mine, it WON'T be mine unless it is signed "Mike", and that is only assuming a name jacker doesn't take over again.


    Posted by Mike at March 21, 2007 2:24 AM"

    "Well, since you won't seem to leave, I guess the site's going to stay that way..."

    Actually, it's fascinating to me, because I really don't see this kind of "invective" belligerance anywhere else. Cetainly not in "real" life, where I've never had the honor of someone unilaterally calling me things like "coward", "traitor", etc. to my face...something that is done here ALL the time by people you seem to support.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 2:17 AM


    People we support on the site...like say.... Republican Killer?

    He didn't call anyone a "chicken hawk" (coward) today...but he did manage to call us traitors for supporting the president.

    I'm going to assume that you ignore WDYT's little screeds too.

    Well... who could blame you...

    Mikey, citations please to back up your allegations that you have been maligned by this invective from my side of the aisle.

    I can quote you chapter and verse from Bobo alone using words such as vermin, delusional, insane etc.

    You obviously have no problems seeing beyond that pole in your eye to the mote in other eyes.

    Grammie

    Janet: "Cecelia I haven't argued that posting under other names is admirable. THAT IS WHY I DON'T DO IT MYSELF."

    And you just now told a lie yourself, you old hypocite! The moment you chose to publicly quote 2 of my statements in ALL CAPS, .... you just lied, old lady - twice!

    But of course, you're aware that intentionally adding CAPS to my quote falsely implies that I was shouting the point for emphasis, when in fact, we both know I DIDN'T use caps in my original statement.

    It is also obvious that neither you, nor Cecelia are interested in meeting me halfway on this. All you really want to do is play the 'gotcha' game just as loudly and beligerately as you possibly can.

    So go on, hypocrite lady...tell me there is somehow an ethical difference between the little lie you told just now by capitalizing my quotes, and the one you are making a mountain out of a molehill of and hammering me with now? Tell me how YOUR little lie was justified, and mine wasn't?

    "I like this technical lie Grammie"

    Wow, you people really ARE obsessed with this!

    You just dug all the way back to MARCH to come up with a quote that I have no clue what the context was myself. Since there
    was obviously a name jacker at work, I don't even know if the quote is mine or not.

    But mostly, I don't have a clue what it means or why you just dug it up?

    It is also obvious that neither you, nor Cecelia are interested in meeting me halfway on this. All you really want to do is play the 'gotcha' game just as loudly and beligerately as you possibly can.

    So go on, hypocrite lady...tell me there is somehow an ethical difference between the little lie you told just now by capitalizing my quotes, and the one you are making a mountain out of a molehill of and hammering me with now? Tell me how YOUR little lie was justified, and mine wasn't?

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 2:38 AM

    Actually, Mike, I've always suspected that you were nothing but a right wing shill who posts here strictly to try to make the left look as bad as possible...

    Mikey, you nailed me.

    I forgot to add "caps mine" in my post.

    To any and all the caps I added were not meant to imply that Mikey was shouting but only to emphasize the pertinent points.

    I promise that I will do my best to not "lie" in the future.

    Grammie

    "I forgot to add "caps mine" in my post."

    And yes, and believe it or not, your little lie was every bit as significant as mine.

    I guess these molehills really do start to look like mountains when you get to be your age?

    I promise that I will do my best to not "lie" in the future.

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 7, 2007 2:48 AM


    Or just do what Mike does and excuse your behavior by telling yourself that...those people... are so much worse...

    "I forgot to add "caps mine" in my post."

    And yes, and believe it or not, your little lie was every bit as significant as mine.

    I guess these molehills really do start to look like mountains when you get to be your age?

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 2:53 AM


    I suppose faulty comparisons get easier when someone is your age...

    Putting your words in capital letters from a cut-n-paste from Cee, is not comparable to your telling an outright lie.


    "Or just do what Mike does and excuse your behavior by telling yourself that....those people.... are so much worse..."

    I already 'excused' my 'behaviour' by explaining the TRUTH that after my early days as a "neophyte" on this blog, I communicated with both of you using the name "Mike" each and every time...after I became aware of how important it was to you.

    I already 'excused' my 'behaviour' by explaining the TRUTH that after my early days as a "neophyte" on this blog, I communicated with both of you using the name "Mike" each and every time...after I became aware of how important it was to you.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 3:03 AM

    According to Johnny's post that outed you, you had engaged in that behavior as recently as the month before.

    Mikey, now that this old woman has addressed your concern re the caps@ 2:48 AM:

    "And you just now told a lie yourself, you old hypocite! The moment you chose to publicly quote 2 of my statements in ALL CAPS, .... you just lied, old lady - twice!"

    I notice that that my not notating that the caps were mine is the only thing you responded to.

    Nary a word about your comments that are so blatantly, shall we say, prevarications. Caps or no your words speak for you.

    Or maybe not. After all as you pointed out you did not take a vow.

    Is that the criteria that we should look for when dealing with you? We can only depend upon your veracity if you take a vow or swear to whatever you say.

    Grammie

    "According to Johnny's post that outed you, you had engaged in that behaviour as recently as the month before."

    You don't read or listen very well, do you?

    Once again, my statement was that "I communicated with both of you using the name "Mike" each and every time".

    In other words, the "one or two shot" posts "As recently as the month before" was not in communication with you or Janet, nor did they involve either of you in any way.

    But I had already made that abundantly clear before...but acknowledging THAT might have just humanized me a little in your perceptions...and you just couldn't have THAT, now could you?

    By the same token Janet, if you intentionally choose to add false caps to embellish quotes you have attributed to me, how can I be certain that you haven't falsely embellished them in some other way as well?

    The truth is...I can't! You've already proven you can't be trusted....so spare me any more righteous indignation over this molehill you've chosen to build into a mountain.

    In other words, the "one or two shot" posts "As recently as the month before" was not in communication with you or Janet, nor did they involve either of you in any way.

    But I had already made that abundantly clear before...but acknowledging THAT might have just humanized me a little in your perceptions...and you just couldn't have THAT, now could you?

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 3:17 AM


    The only thing you tried to make abundantly clear before Johnny outed you, was the lie that you didn't use alternate names.

    You said it repeatedly while arguing with RK .... and with others... and somehow...you failed to qualify those remarks with the notion that you only meant in your communications with Grammie and me....

    You can tell yourself you're being obsessed over and dehumanized by the mean ole righties on this "hate site" all you wish, Mike, but it's no more than the attention anyone would get if caught lying on this site.

    While you're making excuses and trying to point the finger at others, remind yourself that you are also a guy who has made a career here out of calling someone else a liar and described HIM as someone who does not tell the whole truth.

    "But it's no more than the attention that anyone would get if caught lying on this site."

    But your good buddy Janet DID "just get caught lying on this site" by falsely embellishing two of my quotes.

    OH, but THAT'S different, isn't it?


    "and described HIM as someone who does not tell the whole truth."

    And he doesn't....but someone said he IS a lawyer.

    Mikey, let me put your mind at ease re the concern that I have falsely embellished your words beyond my failure to note that the caps were mine.The following are your words in their entirety:

    "Cecelia: "Oh please, the people who choose to use different names here do so because THEY seek to be less personally accountable for "what is being said" rather than the converse."

    As someone who DOESN'T use different names, I still disagree!

    I see the subject matter my own posts being blown off all the time because of how other posters have already stereotyped "Mike".

    You did it to me just the other night when you stereotyped me as an across the board 'leftist' by falsely claiming I was passionate about "gas prices", "Global warming", and several other left leaning issues that I have NEVER talked about on this board.

    Why did you do that? Because you THINK you have me pegged, .... and packaging me in a little box and labeling it "leftist" makes it easier for you to simply think of me as 'the enemy'.

    Personally, I hope the former Clucker keeps posting and just ignors the inevitable name taunts, .... because he/she has much perspective to offer on this blog.
    Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 2:25 PM"

    And then:

    "Cecelia, I haven't argued that posting under multiple names is admirable. That is why I don't do it myself.

    However, I HAVE argued that there IS some merit to not using a name on a blog that permits not using a name, even though I choose not to do it myself.

    I have also argued that some on this blog are excessively obsessed with someone's name to the point that they completely dismiss the merits their posts.

    That said, I personally believe this blog would improve if all posters were forced to choose and then stick with a single moniker.

    I am aware that you are not as right wing as Factor is, and that is precisely why I respect you more than I do Factor...because you have shown an ability to see some nuance and merit in arguments coming from the left that many on your side seem completely incapable of doing.

    That said, I have been trying for several days to get you to address exactly why you stereotyped me the way you did the other night about issues I have never discussed?

    Now, If you actually do want to discuss "gas prices" or "global warming" with me, I think you will be quite surprised at where I stand on those issues.
    Posted by: Mike at October 11, 2007 4:23 PM"

    As I said earlier you have dodged this:

    Mikey, I am still waiting for your expose revealing the whole truth that J$ buried, according to you.

    I do seem to remember some comments made here earlier that it takes a man to own up to his mistakes.

    Grammie

    "But it's no more attention than anyone would get if caught lying on this site."

    Thats not the way you reacted when I pointed out that Johnny quoting Olbermann as saying that "the US "blinked"" was factually incoorect....when he had actually said something completely different, ... or "Did we blink".

    You were all over ME about that one, remember? Claiming that you know what he MEANT, and that was all that was REALLY important anyway....so correct quotes were not important....and incorrect ones are to be excused.

    No Cecelia, stop fooling yourself. It's not about "lying" at all. It's about playing 'gotcha' with me...the ideological 'enemy'.

    G'nite..it's been fun, but I'm getting bored!

    OH, but THAT'S different, isn't it?

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 3:49 AM

    Hell, yeah. I've already pointed out HOW it's different.

    Janet put quotes around YOUR words, the only difference being is that she capitalized them.

    When you pointed it out, she immediately apologized and said that she had not meant to give the impression that you were shouting.

    (BTW-- I'm fairly sure that had she not used quotation marks in quoting YOUR words that you would have found fault with THAT...)

    On the otherhand, when you said you didn't post under an alias, you KNEW you had only a month before, just as you knew you had done it more recently than when you were new to the board.

    Since that's been exposed you've subsequently attempted to excuse yourself and impugn everyone else. Contrast THAT with Janet's quick correction.

    Yeah, the situations are utterly different. Not to mention the personal integrity of the parties being compared... You have none.

    Janet: "Mikey I'm still waiting for your expose the whole truth the J$ burried, according to you."

    I guess you'll just have to keep waiting forever old lady, because I've already explained several times how he made the implication that I was PRESENTLY regularly and repeatedly posting under other names when in FACT, I wasn't. I've already explained several times that at least 90% of the names he posted were from early on.

    Complete and total honesty would have dictated that he post ONLY the recent examples, the number of those posts, and all in the correct context.

    So if your ideological blinders STILL leave you "waiting with bated breathe" for more, then all I can say is that you just "blinked".

    G'nite..it's been fun, but I'm getting bored!

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 4:16 AM Getting hammered is more like it.

    Yes, Grammie, a grave injustice has been done to Mike.

    Of Mike's aliases that Johnny posted, a mere 10% had been used more recently than Mike, himself, had already admitted...

    Johnny should have stipulated this...

    "Contract THAT with Janet's quick correction"

    Spare me, I didn't detect any sincerity at all with that so called "apology" and "correction". On the contrary....It had sheer sarcasm dripping all over it laced with "Mikey".

    Also, with your assertion that I "KNEW" I "had only one month before", I guess you forgot or conveniently dismissed the fact that I stated that I had forgotten about that "one or two shot" post at the time.

    You believe selectively, don't you? ... Just as you selectively excuse or condemn falsehoods as acceptable or unacceptable strictly based on ideology.

    Anon 4:16 AM: "Getting hammered is more like it"

    That's your opinion nameless....but I would wager 100:1 that a right wing bias is what made you make that observation.

    No Cecelia, stop fooling yourself. It's not about "lying" at all. It's about playing 'gotcha' with me...the ideological 'enemy'.

    G'nite..it's been fun, but I'm getting bored!

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 4:16 AM


    Yeah, Mike...you didn't really lie...it's all partisan games by the bad people.

    Johnny's intention couldn't have been to denote a paraphrase with quotation marks.... yes, THAT is the same thing as an overt lie where you say you haven't done something that you have done.

    We're all liars, the whole world's a liar....so what does it matter if you are...

    Also, with your assertion that I "KNEW" I "had only one month before", I guess you forgot or conveniently dismissed the fact that I stated that I had forgotten about that "one or two shot" post at the time.

    You believe selectively, don't you? ... Just as you selectively excuse or condemn falsehoods as acceptable or unacceptable strictly based on ideology.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 4:37 AM


    How can you "forget" you've recently posted under aliases WHILE IN the bloody process of making the statement that you don't do such things because it's not behavior you admire (it's questionable behavior, in other words)!

    My god! You sure don't excuse anything based on ideology. You excuse things based upon whether it's "MIKE"!

    "We're all liars"....Thanks for admitting the obvious.

    The fact that Janet "forgot" that it's NOT OK to embellish a direct quote with false caps is forgivable as a simple mistake, but you conveniently dismiss my statement that I had forgotten about one or two meaningless "one shot" posts done a month before. But NOOOO! .... That couldn't have been an honest mistake as well, could it?

    You are guilty of selective ideological condemnation once again....not to mention that mountain out of a molehill thing!

    Actually, I am a moderate Democrat.No bias.It's obvious you got caught lying and are making a feeble case that the quotes to prove it were lies because caps were used.It seems to me the quotes were still yours and a sarcastic apology was given in response to your childish attempt to equate the two.

    The fact that Janet "forgot" that it's NOT OK to embellish a direct quote with false caps is forgivable as a simple mistake, but you conveniently dismiss my statement that I had forgotten about one or two meaningless "one shot" posts done a month before. But NOOOO! .... That couldn't have been an honest mistake as well, could it?

    You are guilty of selective ideological condemnation once again....not to mention that mountain out of a molehill thing!

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 4:52 AM


    But Mike, I don't engage in selective ideological condemnation. That is not behavior I admire or would engage in. Unless perhaps I'm forgetting that I didn't mind doing it last month...

    Mikey, you must forgive me for:

    "Spare me, I didn't detect any sincerity at all with that so called "apology" and "correction". On the contrary....It had sheer sarcasm dripping all over it laced with "Mikey".".

    I have been studying at the masters feet, KO. I am surprised that instead of praising me you attacked.

    Give a backhanded apology to Rudy and then skewer him him three times with worse, worser and worst.

    What can a girl do. Nothing seems to meet your high standards!

    Grammie

    "How can you "forget" you've recently posted under aliases WHILE IN the bloody process of making the statement that you don't do such things because it's not behaviour you admire."

    The same way you could just "forget" to include the correct context in your paraphrasing of the above statement....I was actually in the "bloody" process of making the case that posting under multiple names is really no big deal (even though I agreed that it wasn't particularly admirable), but YOU just made it sound as if I was doing the opposite.

    AND

    The same way Janet could "forget" that it's not acceptable to embellish someone's direct quote to intentionally make it sound even worse than it is.

    Anon, it's firmly against Mike's sense of right and wrong to make sarcastic apologies...unless, of course, he forgets that it's against his sense of right and wrong....

    Janet: "What can a girl do?"

    Start by respecting someone's name after being asked to do so several times....or simply stop addressing them at all if you can't bring yourself to do that.

    The same way Janet could "forget" that it's not acceptable to embellish someone's direct quote to intentionally make it sound even worse than it is.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 5:05 AM

    Yet another completely idiotic comparison.

    Forgetfulness was YOUR excuse.

    BUt anon, you're doing pretty much the the same thing these mountain out of molehill builders are attempting to skewer me for doing....nameless posting to avoid later accountability....so why are you sticking your so called "moderate Democrat" nose in somewhere it doesn't belong?

    If Janet had made a typo and misspelled one of the words in your quote, you would have deflected from your actions by accusing her of intentionally trying to make you look like a poor speller.

    "Forgetfullness was your excuse"

    Forgetfullness was also Janet's excuse! Go back and read the "apology".

    "You would have deflected from your actions by accusing her of intentionally trying to make you look like a poor speller."

    And you just told a lie yourself!

    On the contrary, 'Poor spelling' would have been irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Making it appear that I was shouting a point rather than it being the simple off hand remark that it actually was was VERY relevant to the discussion at hand....and that is precisely why she did it.

    What?Your the one who got caught saying he would never post with another name, not me.As for accountability I agree.I dont want to have to keep going back and forth on issues that will not change anyone's mind.And if you noticed I did not call you any names, just said you were wrong.

    Forgetfullness was also Janet's excuse! Go back and read the "apology".

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 5:19 AM


    So Janet says she inadvertently forgot to put "caps mine" by your words and when you said you don't post under multiple names and imply it's because it's not upright behavior, you forgot that you had intentionally engaged in behavior you find questionable as recently as a month before.

    That's YOUR comparison. Enjoy it...

    "What?Your the one who got caught saying he would never post with another name, not me."

    This is why you should stay out of things that don't concern you. I never said any such thing, and even THEY haven't accused me of doing that.

    Now if YOU actually think that I said that I said that I "would never post with another name", I challenge you to go find it....otherwise YOU become the one who is being less than honest.

    On the contrary, 'Poor spelling' would have been irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Making it appear that I was shouting a point rather than it being the simple off hand remark that it actually was was VERY relevant to the discussion at hand....and that is precisely why she did it.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 5:24 AM


    Here's your offhand remark:

    "As someone who DOESN'T use different names, I still disagree!"


    For someone who forgets that he's engaged in behavior he thinks is questionable, just a month prior, you sure don't sound "off hand" here...

    I dont want to pile on since your already taking a beating, so this is my last post to you.I give you credit for not running and answering every post directed at you.I used to post here for awhile,always under one name I might add.But got tired of wasting time.I like Chris Matthews but despise Olby because he is a coward who spouts far left views without debating it with someone who disagrees.I dont know for sure if it's for ratings or he just hates conservatives but he makes all Democrats look bad.I dont care for Bush but isn't it funny that he can squeal about impeachment and crimes he commited with no proof.Yet when he was covering Clinton, who did commit a crime,Mr. man of the people hid in his bathtub.

    "you forgot that yu had engaged in behaviour you find questionable as recently as a month before."

    I'm not apologizing for doing it because I did it for a specific reason that I've already explained, which is something I DON"T find questionable...nor would I find it questionable if you were to do it for the same reasons.

    The only mistake I made was making a rather off hand follow up remark stating "that is why I don't do it myself", because it HAD, in fact, temporarely slipped my mind that I made that post.

    And THAT is what you two have been making a mountain out of a molehill about for the last five hours.

    Don't worry. It doens't bother me. I've actually enjoyed this little encounter, or I certainly wouldn't have stayed with it.

    Now if YOU actually think that I said that I said that I "would never post with another name", I challenge you to go find it....otherwise YOU become the one who is being less than honest.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 5:35 AM

    No, you do something even more inexplicable.

    You think it's ex-culpating to plead that you had forgotten you had done something you've implied is questionable behavior!

    In the future, never forget that what you're dissing today, you probably did last month...

    "You think it's ex-culpating to plead that you had forgotten you had done something you've implied is questionable behavior!"

    Thers' exceptions to every rule...even "questionable behavior".

    Damn, it's late....I must have been having fun.

    G'nite!

    And THAT is what you two have been making a mountain out of a molehill about for the last five hours.

    Don't worry. It doens't bother me. I've actually enjoyed this little encounter, or I certainly wouldn't have stayed with it.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 5:51 AM


    No, you've been making the mountain out of the molehill by comparing forgetting not to write "my caps" with forgetting you've done something you're avering is less than admirable today.

    That in the process of arguing this you've had to add caveats as to when it's not "not admirable" and who you meant you didn't do it with, is just par for the course.

    It's astounding that you're still unable to comprehend that even if it were entirely plausible and as right as rain that you "forgot", it STILL calls into question any sense of right and wrong that you have and all your caveats in the world don't help.

    Cecelia, I haven't argued that posting under multiple names is admirable. That is why I don't do it myself.Posted by: Mike

    However, I HAVE argued that there IS some merit to not using a name on a blog that permits not using a name, even though I choose not to do it myself.

    Posted by: Mike I take those two statements as you making the case you would never post under another name.I know I said the last post was it but when I posted I saw you called me dishonest and challenged me to find where you said that.If those are not your statements then I am wrong.Not dishonest.And this is why I quit posting here.One little comment and I'm in a freakin 2 hour debate over nothing.

    Mike,

    Why are you still doing Mike Watch with everybody else? That is weird. I suggested we stop it, and then I post on a topic you were discussing(waterboarding). Discussing waterboarding with Mike is not participating in Mike Watch. But instead of discussing what I was discussing(which I did because it was the last topic you had discussed that was not Mike Watch) you moved right back into Mike Watch. Damn!

    I'm sorry Mike. You are correct in saying I was wrong for saying you post here 70 times today. I just counted and it was only 60 times. My apologies. You wife must be very proud of you that you don't, in fact, post on here 70 times a day, but only 6/7th that amount.

    Mike are you still here? You've been posting on this thread non-stop since 4:09 pm YESTERDAY! Give it a rest.

    Thers' exceptions to every rule...even "questionable behavior".

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 6:02 AM


    Your exception to every rule is always YOU.

    I see you've moved beyond merely arguing you forgot you had used an alias a month ago, to now telling us that there's nothing wrong with that anyway.

    Make up your mind. If you're going to make "off hand" unsolicited disclaimers to using aliases, why don't you tell us the myriad of conditions to your statements first.

    Perhaps when you made the remark "Cecelia, I haven't argued that posting under multiple names is admirable. That is why I don't do it myself." you should have added:

    "and by 'DOESN'T' I mean I do use them unless I'm addressing Grammie or Cecelia"

    and then said, "or unless I'm taking a quick shot"....

    and went on to say, "and unless "I don't think it is NOT "not admirable"' to use one at a particular time"...

    and then elucidated "or unless "I conveniently forget that I had recently used one"

    and then finally specified, "oh, and unless it's a sunny day"...

    Or why don't you just do something really novel for you and go with the truth. You've used aliases and will again.

    You weren't about to admit it when RK accused you of that and so you rationalized that it was okay to write endless pieces calling him a liar because he didn't accuse you of using the CORRECT aliases!

    Janet wrote a post and forgot to add "my caps" but it was a post that she knew could easily be evaluated by you and everyone else and could be immediately compared to original statement. Which is exactly what happened.

    However, there was only ONE soul on this board who could reveal that your statement wasn't true. If he hadn't, no one else could have ever known with any certainty and you could have gone on insisting you hadn't used any alias since "Mutt" and "Wopgy".

    And we're supposed to have the same level of skepticism towards Janet forgetting to write "my caps"!

    You didn't "forget" anything. You wagered on Johnny's silence and lost.

    Well, Old Bag, your 1:52 post might be the most boring post ever on this site. What a heap of frost-covered manure.

    Well, Old Bag, your 1:52 post might be the most boring post ever on this site. What a heap of frost-covered manure.
    Posted by: Llarry at November 7, 2007 2:08 PM

    It comes as no surprise that you'd have an eye out for "threats" like that, seeing as how you work so hard for the "Most Boring" title.

    Never fear, dude. You OWN it...

    Actually, Cecelia, I didn't notice this in the wee hours of the morning but the FIRST time I did a copy n paste @ 12:33 AM with no emphasis at all in response to this:

    "So show me where I ever "vowed" that I had only posted as Mutt and "Woggy"?"

    It was after Mikey went on one of his tearful my dog ate my homework explanations that contradicted his own words [while implying I put the dog up to it:)]I reposted only the most pertinent phrases, without saying caps mine, in caps to emphasize it @ 2:13 AM.

    I am starting to think that some of guys are so twisted that they have to screw themselves into their pants when they get dressed.

    Grammie

    My, a conversation between the Old Bag and the Old Hag could constipate every horse in the Queen's Guard revue.

    I am starting to think that some of guys are so twisted that they have to screw themselves into their pants when they get dressed.

    Grammie
    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 7, 2007 2:47 PM

    Janet, in the fairy tale about the emperor and his new clothes, at the end, the emperor was different from the crowd only in the sense that he was more humiliated at having been fooled because he was the fool standing there naked.

    Suffice to say that Emperor Mike would have continued on with the procession...Mirror in hand, pretending that the beautiful raiment was indeed there.

    (He'd call that tactic "managing" you...)

    My, a conversation between the Old Bag and the Old Hag could constipate every horse in the Queen's Guard revue.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 7, 2007 4:33 PM


    Then lucky for you that you're just a jackass.

    Hey, where's our third guy?

    clucker, do you hate all women, or, just Sharon, Cecelia and Janet? Very ironic you posted as women in the past, yet, you seem to despise them so. Do you hate your mother, too? Sisters? Were they the one who drove you into metro sexuality? Or, are you a full on homosexual? Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course.

    No he loved his mother.

    Especially when he dressed her in the blue crepe sheath dress while he donned the matching teal one.

    man, when did this site get so tedious...

    "I am starting to think that some of guys are so twisted that they have to screw themselves into their pants when they get dressed."

    But no quite so twisted as to continue cackling like a couple or gossipy old farm hens well into the following day about a month old forgotten post.

    about a month old forgotten post.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 5:57 PM


    Apparently, it wasn't 'forgotten.'

    "It was after Mikey went on one of his tearful my dog ate my homework explanations"

    "Tearful" hardly described my demeanor about the whole affair.

    'Incredulation' and amusement that you two would be making such a big deal about virtually nothing was a far more accurate term.

    It kind of reminded me of basic training in which my drill sergeant was able to feign anger so convincingly over a pair of socks being placed in the drawer backwards.

    "Apparently,, it wasn't forgotten"

    Actually it was...but for the miracle of modern search engines.

    But no quite so twisted as to continue cackling like a couple or gossipy old farm hens well into the following day about a month old forgotten post.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 5:57 PM


    You mean you wish it were forgotten.

    But then you'll always make more...

    Gotta go now. I just don't have the time to get caught up in another row about nothing with a couple of gossipy old ladies tonight.

    Gotta go now. I just don't have the time to get caught up in another row about nothing with a couple of gossipy old ladies tonight.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 6:10 PM


    Yet another example of Mike's INsight.

    We couldn't blast you away from this "hate site"....

    "Apparently,, it wasn't forgotten"

    Actually it was...but for the miracle of modern search engines.
    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 6:07 PM

    More's the pity, huh... Such is the stuff of your inclination to post under an alias....

    t kind of reminded me of basic training in which my drill sergeant was able to feign anger so convincingly over a pair of socks being placed in the drawer backwards.

    Posted by: Mike at November 7, 2007 6:05 PM

    No doubt. You've more than proved that to you lying is "nothing".

    Cecelia:

    "No doubt. You've more than proved that to you lying is nothing"

    And YOU'VE more then proved that to you, nothing is something, as long as you think you can use it to to your cynical advantage to play 'gotcha' with an ideological opponent.

    Tell us Cecelia, what would have taken for that relatively innocent and mostly accurate statement to become something other than a lie to you?

    Obviously a forgotten month old post didn't meet your lofty double standard.

    So what WOULD it have taken?.....a 2 month old post.....3 month old?.....how about 6 months......a year......C'mon little miss truth monitor.....tell us how long one would have had to refrain from having posted under another alias one or two quick times before a rather innocent off the cuff statement that they don't do that becomes something less than a "lie"?

    God forbid thet you would apply your hypocritical little double standard regarding "lying" to your own president....and party.

    Cecelia: "We couldn't blast you away from this "hate site"...

    Thats because I don't run away from fights....and I love comedy shows.

    Problem is, I can't figure out which one this is?

    Cecelia: "We couldn't blast you away from this "hate site".

    THIS bit of comedy from someone I kept up all night last night playing along with her silly and laughable attempt to 'nail' me for "lying" about a forgotten month old one or two shot post.

    Ok, we heard ya.

    Get back to shoveling shit you old coot.

    Posted by: Why don't you think at November 7, 2007 11:59 PM


    By all means, YOU slack up on supplying it... :D

    As usual, Dipshit, you have the wrong person. You have access to the IT addreesses. Check it out. And stop hurling accusations. You're a liar and everyone knows it. No one believes a word out of your lying, welfare-cheating mouth. And, don't deny it. We know about that, too.

    As for how I feel about women, you, Cecelia, Grannie and Sharon are just about the only ones I have problems with. Well, I am not too fod of Elizabeth Dole, either. You're basically all alike. You just have the worst moustache.

    As for how I feel about women, you, Cecelia, Grannie and Sharon are just about the only ones I have problems with.

    In other words, 100% of the women on the board who identify themselves as such. Once a Flucker, always a Flucker. Whatever you decide to respond, I will pre-state, "I don't give a tinker's toot." (Posted by: LLarry at November 4, 2007 11:06 PM) Must be difficult to avoid those Freudian slips, Tinkerbell :0

    In other words, 100% of the women on the board who identify themselves as such. Once a Flucker, always a Flucker. Whatever you decide to respond, I will pre-state, "I don't give a tinker's toot." (Posted by: LLarry at November 4, 2007 11:06 PM) Must be difficult to avoid those Freudian slips, Tinkerbell :0

    Posted by: Sharon at November 8, 2007 8:54 AM

    He'd know about mustaches, Sharon. He's married to a 'beard".

    Capon is an especially interesting lesson in mental health health. WDYC, AAP, use aliases to bolster their perceived "numbers" but Clucker uses them as alternate personalities. Via Llarry, Capon can be what he interprets as the guy...guy. Via Mrs. Philby...well... he had a reason to play his mother and type in his hermes scarf.

    When Hillary wins the nomination it will be fun to watch these guy's reactions to the sort of insults towards her about her age, looks, etc...that will doubtlessly follow. And that scenario entails just one "high-horse" they can't ride...

    I'm still waiting to hearing Capon's age and I'd like to know WDYC's as well. I suspect that I am three to five years younger than both of them.. :D

    I may as well make this a trifecta and give Flucker a triple serving of manna.

    Dittos to both of you. I'll add only add that ignoring him is what he doesn't like. He is happiest when we address him. When we don't he strains to bring us up.

    I think I got replaced as his favorite by Cecelia. What did you do to deserve that honor/

    Grammie

    PS Sharon you were right about my age. I'm just a bit older then you thought. I'm going to guess that you are a young woman in your mid thirties and that Cecelia is just approaching middle age and is in her early to mid forties.

    Sharon you were right about my age. I'm just a bit older then you thought. I'm going to guess that you are a young woman in your mid thirties and that Cecelia is just approaching middle age and is in her early to mid forties.

    ---

    Lies. Lies. That's all we ever get from the three (3) of you. The 30's are a distant memorry to all of you. I'd say among the three (3) of you, we have at least 198 years of lies and nastiness.

    I'd say among the three (3) of you, we have at least 198 years of lies and nastiness.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 8, 2007 10:45 AM


    Which would be just about the number of Capon's (aka "Sybil") alternate personalities.

    Capon, don't debate! Integrate!... :D

    How lovely. Sharon's climbed down from her cross to grace us with her theological and philosophical extremism.

    How lovely. Sharon's climbed down from her cross to grace us with her theological and philosophical extremism.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 8, 2007 10:55 AM

    Now Capon, I'm sure that you are more than aware that if you aligned Sharon's and your own views up next to the Pope's, her views would be more similar to his than are your own.

    He is happiest when we address him. When we don't he strains to bring us up. (Janet)

    You are so right but I gave into temptation when I got down from my cross.

    When Hillary wins the nomination it will be fun to watch these guy's reactions to the sort of insults towards her about her age, looks, etc...that will doubtlessly follow. And that scenario entails just one "high-horse" they can't ride... (Cecelia)

    Darn tootin' :0


    I am going to be 43 in December, with 3 children ages 8, 6, and 3.

    I am packing for a trip now, so I'll catch you when I return.

    Gag:

    Have a great trip and don't hurry back. 43? I rather doubt it. Takes much longer than that to get as mean as you are.

    And Hag:

    I am so pleased you know what His
    Holiness is thinking. Sort of like having an Unter-Pabst in Amerika. I am writing from Salerno and will be in Roma on Sunday. I wasn't planning on even going back to the Vatican, but I'll make sure he knows that you speak for him and that Sharon is a martyr of the first order. Undoubtedly, His Holiness will be duly impressed, although I understand Benoit is one who prefers joyful, happy, smiling Christians, not the Strident, Sullen, Sharon-Sort.

    43 Fflucker. Not lying. :0 :0 :0 :0 :0

    I though you were packing, Gag. der Pabst is not going to like finding out you are playng fast and loose with the truth.

    Give His Holiness my best regards, Capon. While you're there ask him to tell the story about the splinter and the plank. You may find it interesting.

    Don't you think you should disassociate into Mrs. Guy Philby before you meet with the Pope? She has the necessary decorum and besides, you could wear that lovely veil that your alternate personality "Jennefer" tatted while at the Womyn's Conference in Lisbon called Opened Bodies- Closed Minds.

    You remember the conference, don't you? You morphed into Llarry during the Gaia Worship Service and started calling all the non-conference attending females at the hotel hags, bags, gags and "mother".

    My God...still on the name game obsession.
    A one trick pony indeed !

    Posted by: Why don't you think at November 8, 2007 8:29 PM

    Indeed! We leave all the "tricks" to you guys.

    You can't seem to manage without them.

    Bobo, you know that Patsy is our one and only one trick pony.

    How can you undercut him?

    Have you no shame sir?

    Grammie

    I'd give you a lesson on who and who isn't posting, you nasty Old Bag, but you are incapable of learning anything. Much better and so much easier for you and the Hag to avoid questioning your own destructive and dangerous views.

    As for the splinter and the plank, I am very certain I could run rings around you with that one. While I am pleased you are not reticent at sharing your woeful and astounding ignorance and prejudice, there are times you ought not be playing with the big boys. That makes ou appear vacuous and petty. Petty is not pretty.

    As for the splinter and the plank, I am very certain I could run rings around you with that one. While I am pleased you are not reticent at sharing your woeful and astounding ignorance and prejudice, there are times you ought not be playing with the big boys. That makes ou appear vacuous and petty. Petty is not pretty.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 9, 2007 1:53 AM


    When you see one of the big boys, let us know.

    I'm absolutely sure that you are indeed a fine example of the plank vs splinter parable. Exhibit A would be your calling someone else vacuous and petty when you're the poster child for blogboard multipersonality disorder and adolescent attention tactics.

    While all your alters busily engage in calling opponents racists and nazis and other names, they seem to be informed by a "host" who is no more complex or profound than Dame Edna.

    Don't take yourself so seriously, Capon. We don't. We enjoy you for what you are--performance art.

    Thanks, again, Nasty Old Bag. I am glad I bring some joy into your life. You always struck me as more of a Soupy Sales fan than Dame Edna, however.

    And you always struck me as Dame Edna. :D

    Then I must apologize. I would never strike a woman, even one who is decidedly not a lady.

    Then I must apologize. I would never strike a woman, even one who is decidedly not a lady.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 9, 2007 3:29 PM

    No doubt. Any female older than six would have your arm forced behind your back and you begging for you mother in a nanosecond.

    This is your brain on cheap gin:

    "... begging for you mother ....".

    Eat a couple of slices of Wonder Bread, drink 2 glasses of water, have a marvelous pee and sleep the gin off.

    Eat a couple of slices of Wonder Bread, drink 2 glasses of water, have a marvelous pee and sleep the gin off.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 9, 2007 3:42 PM

    Why?

    Any woman (or man) older than six, and drunk enough to be seeing quadruple...., could out debate you too. :D

    Oh, how nice of the left's ruling elite to go home to their turkey and pumpkin pie without funding the troops.....

    "Responding to the congressional blockage, Defense Secretary Robert Gates on Friday signed a memo ordering the Army to begin planning for a series of expected cutbacks, including the layoffs of as many as 100,000 civilian employees and another 100,000 civilian contractors, starting as early as January, Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell said.

    "'The memo reflects the urgency of the situation we find ourselves in, we are in a real crisis,' Morrell said, noting that layoff notices to some civilian employees would have to be sent as early as mid-December. He decried Congress' refusal thus far to provide the money needed to continue fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, accusing lawmakers of 'holding hostage the well-being of our men and women in uniform, and our national security.'

    "The delay will satisfy a Democratic support base that is fiercely anti-war. But it also will give Republicans and the White House ample time to hammer Democrats for leaving for the holidays without funding the troops."


    ###
    So do you feel satisfied fringe leftists? Mmm, that feels goood don't it! I would just love to see you radicals satisfied even more with a total government and military shutdown.....

    You got the purse-strings....use 'em!

    Like I have repeated since 11/06......

    CUT THE FUNDS.....BRING THE TROOPS HOME NOW!

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