I knew a revenge story would be set aside to deal with Mr. Bill's harsh dose of ratings reality last night. Big shocker!

And Johnny, when he claimed victory for NBC in the 18-49 category for all the shows he mentioned, is it because they fell short on total viewers?? What's the truth behind that?

You had to listen carefully as he rattled off those NBC stats. Sometimes it was 18-49. Sometimes it was MEN 18-49. In point of fact, NBC is WAY down from just a few years ago when it was the #1 broadcast network. Oralmann didn't mention that of course. I didn't count it as a lie because it technically wasn't. It was just sleazy, misleading, dishonest propaganda, the stock in trade of the infamous, deplorable Keith Oralmann.

That's what I figured- him cherry picking the data. Thanks for the info.

More outstanding leadership from Hugo Chavez.

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Gunmen opened fire on students returning from a march Wednesday in which 80,000 people denounced President Hugo Chavez's attempts to expand his power. At least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, officials said.

Photographers for The Associated Press saw at least four gunmen - their faces covered by ski masks or T-shirts - firing handguns at the anti-Chavez crowd. Terrified students ran through the campus as ambulances arrived.

National Guard troops gathered outside the Central University of Venezuela, the nation's largest and a center for opposition to Chavez's government. Venezuelan law bars state security forces from entering the campus, but Luis Acuna, the minister of higher education, said they could be called in if the university requests them.

Antonio Rivero, director of Venezuela's Civil Defense agency, told local Union Radio that at least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, and that no one had been killed. Earlier, Rivero said he had been informed that one person had died in the violence.

The violence broke out after anti-Chavez demonstrators - led by university students - marched peacefully to the Supreme Court to protest constitutional changes that Venezuelans will consider in a December referendum.

Later, Globovision television broadcast a video of armed men riding motorcycles arriving at the university, where they entered the same building in which several of the gunmen were located. The pistol-toting men stood at the doorway - one of them firing a handgun in the air - as people fled the building.

Justice Minister Pedro Carreno blamed students, university authorities, opposition parties and the media for the violence.

Sean Penn, Danny Glover, and the other useful idiots should be proud. Aren't the students in Venezuela lucky to have such a wonder leader who has the courge to hire thugs to beat and shoot them? We are stuck with George Bush.

CutRudiDown w/ KO back in full swing tonight, even KOs latest SC didnt get his ratings to even half of BillO's Tues, isn't one def of insanity repeating the samething over and over and expecting different result?

So another night of bashing Rudy, which might not be the smartest thin to do in NYC, bashing Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. And this is what Keith calls news??
Heck, do an expos� on Rudy one night but to talk about Rudy every night?
Keith is using his show for his personal vendettas.
Anybody who doesn't agree with his point of view, he'll spend a good chunk of his show insulting the person in an adolescent way.
And he is also trying to change voters mind by bashing Rudy.
Is Keith trying to report the news or make it?
Keith's behavior is unethical and I wonder when MSNBC will ever do some hard hitting news stories.
This guy Keith is a joke to news and journalism.

Olby lies:

Olby says that Hillary is ahead 47% in the polls. Those were pre-debate results. The current numbers is 34%.

Olby omission: Olby sneers at Republicans when the Republican governor of Kentucky loss his re-election bid as if it was a nail in the coffin of conservatism even though Republican Mississippi governor Haley Barbour won re-election with 58% of the vote.

Keith is using his show for his personal vendettas.
Anybody who doesn't agree with his point of view, he'll spend a good chunk of his show insulting the person in an adolescent way.

Posted by: Joe at November 7, 2007 10:34 PM

Keith's vendettas or lack of tolerance towards dissent, is something that's pretty selective.

I cannot remember the source but there was some interview that Keith did where he mentioned running to Sean Hannity while Keith worked at ABC radio.

The tenor of the story was that he (Keith) and Hannity were fairly cordial.

But when Keith left the Patrick show it seems he's gone out of his way to snipe and target Hannity in the most personally negative way.

It's the same way he did Imus. I think if Tucker or Scarborough or even Chris Matthews...(anyone who holds any political opinion to the right of Rachael Maddow) left MSNBC tomorrow they'd find themselves winning the WPITW gold the next day.

You can measure the credibility of the show by listing the network talent that appears on it.
Brian Williams, NBC News nightly host ............ NO
Tim Russert, Host of Meet the Press, .......... Crickets
Andrea Mitchell or David Gregory .......... I don't recall.
Olbermann is the “popular” nightly network cable host that no other senior network anchor or correspondent wants anything to do with. Even the aforementioned collections of liberals find Countdown, a bridge too far. Kind of makes one wonder.

It's the same way he did Imus. I think if Tucker or Scarborough or even Chris Matthews...(anyone who holds any political opinion to the right of Rachael Maddow) left MSNBC tomorrow they'd find themselves winning the WPITW gold the next day.

Posted by: Cecelia at November 7, 2007 11:30 PM

Exactly!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45118-2003Mar28.html

On Saturday, the Washington Post's Lisa de Moraes provided a humorous recapping of Olbermann's job instability. An excerpt:

My head hurts trying to keep track of Keith Olbermann's career. Yesterday, MSNBC announced it had rehired Olbermann to anchor a nightly show in the very same 8 p.m. time slot he used to have on the cable network.

Olbermann quit MSNBC five years ago, saying its obsession with the Monica Lewinsky story gave him "the dry heaves."

Yesterday's MSNBC news comes about 15 months after Olbermann announced he had returned to CNN, where he had worked in the '80s. "It's wonderful to be home," Olbermann said then.

He stayed home less than a year. His second stint at CNN had been announced about eight months after his job at Fox Sports Net collapsed.

This marks the third time Olbermann has worked for MSNBC President Erik Sorenson. That includes Olbermann's tenure at MSNBC starting in summer '97, not long after he walked out of ESPN, prompting one ESPN official to comment, "He didn't burn the bridges here, he napalmed them."

Before ESPN, Olbermann worked as a sportscaster at KCBS in Los Angeles for then-general manager Erik Sorenson. You may have heard the story about Olbermann breaking a bathroom door there to illustrate his unhappiness about a substandard promo segment.

"He's edgy, he's got attitude, he's hip, he's clever, he's a good writer," Sorenson said yesterday.

Nineteen months ago he called Olbermann "the Gary Sheffield of broadcasting" -- a reference to the talented, much-traded slugger who is considered clubhouse poison. Of course, Sorenson said that during one of those periods when Olbermann wasn't actually working for him.

All things considered, MSNBC and Olbermann are a match made in heaven; the network changes strategies about as often as he changes jobs.

Olbermann said he isn't concerned about MSNBC's ever-changing game plan, because parent NBC has already announced he will host the cable network's Summer Olympics coverage in '04. NBC will telecast about 800 hours of Summer Games, 600 of which will be brought to you on MSNBC and CNBC. It would be pretty embarrassing for MSNBC to sack him this year and have to bring him back for the Games, Olbermann joked....

CNN considered giving Olbermann the 8 p.m. time period during his last, brief stint there. The network went with Connie Chung instead; it canceled her show last week.

END of Excerpt

Not for long. The world is counting the minutes.
Our long national nightmare can't end soon enough.
There's even Bush Countdown Calender.
Send me your orders.

Posted by: Why don't you think at November 7, 2007 11:46 PM

Are Chavez and Assad paying you commission for each order or by the hour?

Going by Olby's love for bar graphs, I say he has a serious case of penis envy and is trying to compensate for...well...you know.

Better enjoy your last few months of republican rule. No one else is...and you won't even sniff the presidency for eons thanks to the bungled presidency of the guy you voted for.
I know it's hard to live down...but I'm sure you 'll find something to get you thru the night.
Maybe a friend...named Johnny Walker ( Red)

Posted by: Why don't you think at November 7, 2007 11:57 PM

Famous last words .................

Hey Olby's wig....I noticed you head out of Dodge when I made you a wager on Keith's hair. Offer is still good !

But Cee needs the wig. Olby has a good head of hair.

Posted by: Why don't you think at November 8, 2007 12:07 AM

Are you his hair dresser? Also, after constructing sentences like "I noticed you head out of Dodge when I made you a wager on Keith's hair.", I don't think you are in a position to accuse someone of spending 3 years in the third grade.

Better enjoy your last few months of republican rule. No one else is...and you won't even sniff the presidency for eons thanks to the bungled presidency of the guy you voted for.
I know it's hard to live down...but I'm sure you 'll find something to get you thru the night.
Maybe a friend...named Johnny Walker ( Red)

Posted by: Why don't you think at November 7, 2007 11:57 PM

Johnny Walker Red sounds great. I'll toast to the Democratic presidential frontrunners as they say they'll keep troops in Iraq for stability reasons for several years to come and as they move away from moonbats like you in the general election.

On the otherhand you can suck reefer, let it continue to do the number it has done on your brain, and keep going into paranoid spasms over evil Republicans even as your candidates reflect my views more than they do yours.

Far out man... :D

BOBO,

Did you enjoy the proceedings in the house today? When Dennis(arrived on Earth in a flying saucer from Pluto) Kookcinich started his impeachment deal against Cheney the Republicans made the Democrats look like fools again.

And don't forget, 52 weeks from now you will hang yourself when Hillary gets her ass kicked by the Republican nominee.

And don't forget, 52 weeks from now you will hang yourself when Hillary gets her ass kicked by the Republican nominee.

Posted by: Rico at November 8, 2007 12:50 AM

Chucky would never do any harm.....to himself... (cute puppies and cuddly kitten need to run for their lives though)

I will never vote for Hillary Clinton for president!!!

We vote for the candidate we want.

Sarkozy of France seems to appreciate America more than Olbyloon and the liberal loony left moonbats.

Yes, and Sarkozy has already been divorced twice. The perfect Repugnantcan.

The economic news this morning is encouraging:

Oil is at about $98.00/bbl and expected to hit $100.00.

The US Dollar took another huge tumble.

The stock market had another stumble.

Thanks goodness for George W. Bush. Can you imagine if Bill Clinton were president? Peace and prosperity makes America soft.

Why don't you think puked:

"I know you start to glaze over whenever educational tools are used.
Must remind you of the 3 years you spent in 9th grade."

Not my fault Olby is obsessed with waving around his longer bar and bragging about it ad nauseum.

Mental Midgets (Why) looks to a year from now for his hope!.....

All while ignoring the small signs of true wisdom in the real Americans he so hates....

Embryonic Stem Cell Research funding defeated handily in "blue" NJ.....(they finally let you out of your straight-jacket after your reaction over that one, midget?)

S-CHIP like program refused funding in likewise "blue" Oregon...."WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?" says Reverand Mrs. Lovejoy.....

Republicans crush Democrats is Katrina torn Mississippi which has shown great rebirh under REPUBLICAN rule as compared to Louisiana.....and who controlled that state?.....

Democrats...oh, oh, oh...and who just won that governer seat?.....A REPUBLICAN?...really?...I thought they were going to be destroyed?

How about Washington DC?....What examples of anti-America leftist leadership do we have there?.....

IMPEACHMENT.....defeated by who? ...the democratic leadership. But why? I thought we could not wait until Bush/Cheney leave the government, those criminals!.....

S-CHIP.....no compromise, no legislation...."WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?" says Reverand Mrs. Lovejoy again....Graeme Frost WILL DIE because there is not funding!

Iraq War Funding....fumbling, indecision, aw.... just give Georgie what he wants eventually.....

A well run house accomplishing promises made in 11/06?.....hardly....we just cut a working day off/week just so the democrats could go home and "educate" the population on the great accomplishments!....

As Pelosi prdeicted?....THE CHILDREN'S CONGRESS!.....ha, ha, ha.....what a joke!

And they were?

Oh, oh, oh.....and don't forget....what the left wing has prepared to pass once an executive veto threat is removed next January......

CHARLIE RANGEL'S PROPOSED BIGGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY!!!!!!

These will play real well through the summer to average Americans not poisoned by the anti-American fringe left like dear mental midget.....

Oh and the summer.....

The Democratic nominee...read HRC...(and pro-Iraq accupation) will have to contend with a 1968-like push from the radical anti-American left....I can't wait to see that one!....

HRC...can't decide whether to pander to illegal immigrants (potnetial future supporters) or the greater than 70% of her present legal constiuents in blue New York who do not want drivers licenses given to illegals....

What a great example of leadership!....

"Don't pile on me because I am a woman!"

"Bill, my adulterous sodomist husband....defend me please!"

"Don't swift-boat my wife, fellow democrats!"

"Bill Clinton is not speaking for the campaign!"

FOUR MORE YEARS OF SCANDAL AND PARTISANSHIP FOR THE RETREAD LEFTIST BABY BOOMERS' BENEFIT!

I do agree with Obama....Hillary will not be able to unite the country simply because of her generational scar that the radical left inflicted on everyone!

Oh it is good to see agreement!

Keep hope alive, mental midget! Your utopia is nigh!

Why doesn't Rudy invite himself on Countdown and if allowed destroy KO or, more likely, when turned down, publicize the fact and shut this blowhard up.

Speaking of Rudy, rick...he had a great line regarding Mrs. Clinton's debate response....

"'If you think a question about driver's licenses is a tough question, a gotcha question, you're not ready for [Iranian leader Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad,' Mr. Giuliani told a New Hampshire town hall meeting a few days ago."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119447348096585683.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news

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Olbermann will just keep attacking Rudy as part of his "countdown" and in WPITW but never face the man and ask his questions because he knows Giuliani would eat him alive in a face to face interview.

Oblowmeman is nothing but a big steaming stinking pile of Hugo Chavez dung. Then he smokes the pile of Hugo jekem. Brain burned msnbc toad.

Skankbare most Americans stopped living in deadly fear of Communists about 50 years ago. Come to the 21st Century. The first seven (7) years have sucked, but they'll be improving soon.

Philby, tell that to the dead people your hero (puko) had shot for protesting.

Really? Really- Liarly?
In 1957- there was NO communist threat?

Its great thinkers like you who will ensure that the Republicans win by a landslide!

Libs 1950's- "There's no Communist Threat"
Libs 2000's- "There's no Terrorist Threat"

You can tell the Libs on this site are really scared about 08 when they start declaring "Mission Accomplished" over and over again.

Just saw this at Drudge:

http://www.rosie.com/blog/2007/11/07/the-show-that-never-was/

Rosie and PSMBC are not going to walk down the aisle together.

Grammie

"Rosie and PSMBC are not going to walk down the aisle together."

I caught that too Grammie.

It would have been funny to see the "lead in" with Olbermann talking to Rosie....they would have made a great couple....

and would have given this site a whole lot more material.

I think Rosie and Olbermann would kill each other. As much as Olbermann despises women in television and as big and ego as he has, Olbermann would be in the bathtub full time. Rosie hates men and has a huge ego herself. Those two trying to share the spot light as head moonbat would have been fun to watch. One of them would not last, and I guessing it would be Olbermann who abandon ship first.

Obama - Rama @11:03:

"Libs 1950's- "There is no communist threat."
"Libs 2000's- "there is no terrorist threat."

You have it wrong in both instances....or oversimplification might be the better word.

The "Libs" in the 1950's did not think "There was no communist threat." They just thought that Joseph McCarthy led Nazi Style inquests trying to ferret out all suspected American communist sympathizers was far more of an internal threat to America and it's core principles than any American communist could ever be.....And you know what? They were RIGHT!

The "Libs" of this decade fully understand the Islamic terrorist threat, but we have been able to keep the threat in it's proper perspective. Our official reaction to 911 will be recorded as one of the most massive over-reactions in history....And to watch your heros continually beating the war drums about Islamic Terrorism as the "greatest threat we have ever faced" is similar to the African hunter more worried about the leopard he can actually see and keep at bay than the charging pride of lions closing in from the sides.

In the face of the Democrats' absolute refusal to admit to their fecklessness, fatuity and recklessness in allowing known Soviet spies to penetrate the deepest levels of government, McCarthy demanded an accounting.

Even if one concedes to on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand whiners like Ronald Radosh that Truman's Secretary of State Dean Acheson didn't like communism, his record is what it was. And that record was to treat Soviet spies like members of the Hasty Pudding Club.

Rather than own up to their moral blindness to Soviet espionage, Democrats fired up the liberal slander machine, which would be deployed again and again over the next half century to the present day. In hiding their own perfidy, liberals were guilty of every sin they lyingly imputed to McCarthy. There were no "McCarthyites" until liberals came along.

Ironically, for all of their love of conspiracy theories -- the rigging of the 2000 election, vote suppression in Ohio in 2004, 9/11 being an inside job, oil companies covering up miracle technology that would allow cars to run on dirt, Britney Spears' career, etc., etc. -- when presented with an actual conspiracy of Soviet spies infiltrating the U.S. government, they laughed it off like world-weary skeptics and dedicated themselves to slandering Joe McCarthy.

Then as now, liberals protect themselves from detection with wild calumnies against anybody who opposes them. They have no interest in -- or aptitude for -- persuasion. Their goal is to anathematize their enemies. Blacklisted by History removes the curse from one of the greatest patriots in American history.

Well put, Obama.

Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs were totally innocent.

It was McCarthy who planted those phony documents in the KGB files that lied about them.

Grammie

Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs were totally innocent.

It was McCarthy who planted those phony documents in the KGB files that lied about them.

Grammie

Sorry for the double post. I'll try to be more careful.

Grammie

Obama-Rama.....I agree with your post at 1:28PM but make sure you cite your source next time......The post is from an excellent review of facts from M. Stanton Evans' "Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies" in Ann Coulter's latest column....

http://www.anncoulter.com/

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That being said, I prepare for Mike's ad hominem attack on the source without his investigating it's accuracy....

Afterall, its the hateful Ann Coulter!

"That being said, I prepare for Mike's ad hominem attack on the source without investigating it's accuracy...."

What were you saying about "personal attacks" before....oh Mr. all knowing Cee,.... even as you unilaterally just began the cycle all over again?

Many, many INNOCENT Americans were irrepairably damaged by McCarthy's hateful inquest.

The revisionism of history continues by the extreme right.

And Obama, as much as you yearn to believe otherwise, the conspiracists are NOT an exclusive domain of the 'left'. BOTH sides have their fair share of conspiracy theory extremists. In fact, the ones I happen to know personally who believe in the 911 conspiracy are BAPTIST CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS.

"Afterall, it's the hateful Ann Coulter"

Yes, YOUR side's Rosie O'Donnell!

We all have our liabilities.

Dear Mike....many many Soviet spies were found and the infiltration allowed by the Democrats in the forties was discovered and stopped during a very critical time of the cold war....

This is yet another example of the anti-American left's wonderful attempts to whitewash history. There was widespread communist infiltration into the US Government under Truman but that small incovienient truth is ok to overlook because McCarthy demanded people account for their radical political affiliations....

People should have been proud to be communist....afterall, why let the jealousy of the classes and the drive to accumulate wealth impede one's ideology....I'll never understand why people where so upset to be blacklisted when their worldview was so compassionate and progressive!

Janet: "It was McCarthy who planted those phony documents in the KGB files that lied about them."

So Janet, lets go back to the war trials of Japanese "war criminals" for none other than.....waterboarding....that you tried to corner me ad hominum style the other night about. You just love playing 'gotcha', don't you? And when you're wrong, simply go silent about that subject RK style and begin an offensive elsewhere....As you did when you dropped the waterboarding subject like a hot potatoe after discovering you were wrong..... again, ... and then promply launching into an all night long personal attack against me for forgetting about a quick one or two shot post that had nothing to do with you anyway.

Sure Janet....you're certainly capable of keeping everything in proper perspective, aren't you?

Gotta go for now.

"People should be proud to be communist"

By your extremist right wing reasoning, I guess that statement makes perfect sense to you, but it rings of zealotry and fanaticism to most folks who have managed to maintain a reasonable sense of moderation.

As practiced by the Soviet Union, Communism was anything but a compassionate and progressive system and it ultimately failed for the very same reason ANY extremist ideology, such as yours, is doomed to fail.

There goes Mike again, changing the subjected when he is wrong. A classic tactic of the left. Water boarding is used on our own military personnel by the military. Our we torturing our own troops? Run along Mike, we are already tired of your foolishness.

Oh, but Mike, the communist sympathizers (read leftists) only had The USSR in the 1940's and 1950's as their example of their ideology in practice....now you are making excuses for them?

Let's try to be objective here. If you are for total government control of large areas of the economy and resources needed by all of the people, then you have bought into the very same ideology that was at the very core of The USSR....You have even claimed yourself that you believe the healthcare industry should be a government run entity because of some dream of equity and charity.....What is the difference then to say energy, food, entertainment or whatever should be distributed by the government, Mike?

As a member of the healthcare industry, I resent your conclusions that the government should be the sole payer and then, by default, controlling of a community that I feel is the best in the world and very compassionate and giving.

So, going back to the dear 1950's....who ere these innocent people with pure ideology that in no way encouraged the communists in their expressed mission to achieve worldwide revolution?

The lies about ratings were spat
By the host with the ass big and fat
The truth is Keith sucks
Waste of four million bucks
He sniffs where O'Reilly once shat

Whoa Katy....I am impressed with that last word...you don't here it much anymore!

tell that to the dead people your hero (puko) had shot for protesting.

Posted by: royal king at November 8, 2007 11:02 AM

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Lies, again, Dipshit.

Can you even tell the truth? Do you even want to try?

Gather up your food stamps, go buy yourself a big bag of Pork Rinds, get your comfort food stuffed into you fat ass and see if maybe you can't be a bit positive about something, anything. We've all known other women who whine, moan and bitch constantly, but you really take the Moon Pie.

Oh darn, and the afternoon here had been so bright and pleasant until Larry decided to come back and post.

I feel the positive energy just draining away towards Kucinich's UFO.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/08/gibson-calls-olbermann-liar-his-bush-criminal-conspiracy-rant

I know you can't tolerate anyone that takes exception to your own personal Mein Kampf, Crackpot. Alas, most people find your ideas as repulsive as you snotty attitude and demeanor.

DIDJAEVERNOTICE...
...whenever anybody references Sacry Uncle KO (even if not directly by name) in anything other than a saintly light, the very next time on air Sacry Uncle KO has a verbal hit piece on the offender?

No, but I don't watch Olbermann often. I tend to get my information about him and his program from the obsessive-compulsive ultra right wing sociopaths drawn to this site. As a healthy, well-adjusted, articulate and intelligent adult it, I reject it as much as I do Black Forest cake and tepid Bosco for breakfast.

"I know you can't tolerate anyone that takes exception to your own personal Mein Kampf, Crackpot. Alas, most people find your ideas as repulsive as you snotty attitude and demeanor."

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You must be confusing me with the angry Finnish youth on YouTube, Larry.....

"Witnesses described a scene of mayhem in the leafy lakeside community, in which the assailant scoured the school for victims while shouting 'Revolution!'

"'I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection,' the [teenager's] posting said."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071108/ap_on_re_eu/finland_school_shooting_47

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No, Larry...I am not a revolutionary, I am a conservative....leftists belong to your description....I am tolerant, happy to discuss any topic, and willing to listen.....

And most importantly, not inclined to violence and serving as judge, jury and executioner.

You, as a member of the three stooges, seem less inclined to listen, learn or grow. Try some self reflection and perhaps the anger will float harmlessly away!

Sorry, Crackpot, but I am not angry. More amused at the foolishness from you, the Bag, the Hag and the Gag, and pure pity for Dipshit.

I reject it as much as I do Black Forest cake and tepid Bosco for breakfast.

Posted by: Llarry at November 8, 2007 4:51 PM

We understand Llarry. Black Forest Cake and Bosco probably don't complement the taste of your morning Mad Dog 20/20.

Yeah, riiiiight, Llarry....your posts just scream peace, love and tolerance....

You're a leftist and to be angry is only natural...your 4:31 post is the perfect example....poor RK was only pointing out what your fellow traveler in ideology was up to yesterday?.....

What, you don't approve?

I find that often American leftists run away from their more emotional and powerful ideological brothers in countries that lack such a wonderful constitution like our's.....a constitution that keeps people like you, Larry, from accomplishing exactly what their worldview requires....

supression of thought and religious belief and service only to the secular state.....

yep....ya gotta be angry when a great system like ours hinders your drive towards utopia, uh Larry?

As a healthy, well-adjusted, articulate and intelligent adult it, I reject it as much as I do Black Forest cake and tepid Bosco for breakfast.

Posted by: Llarry at November 8, 2007 4:51 PM

Yes, Adult Its, like Llarry, generally breakfast on froth, ashes, and their own spleen...

They are what they eat. :D

> I guess its deplorable when a TV show host does it to prove the popularity of his show, but perfectly fine when a President does it to rush into a war.

No, it's relevant when Olbermann does it, not relevant when some politican does it. Because this site is about Keith Oralmann. It's not BushWatch, it's Olbermann Watch. How incredibly dense and stupid Olbyloons must be that they can't even read the masthead at the top of every page.

Well Mikey let me quote both of us in response your complaint @2:53 PM.

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I said: "Mikey says that:

"AMAZING! We have tried and convicted enemies in the past as "war criminals" for using waterboarding. "

I must have missed that.

Citations please.

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 6, 2007 9:03 PM "

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You responded: "Janet, I'll give you no citations for anything until you stop calling me "Mikey". "

And then: "That said, I just did an internet seach using something called "google" using three key word groups, including "waterboarding", "Japanese", and "war criminal". If you do this, you will find not one, but many hits that detail how we tried and convicted not one, but several Japanese as war criminals for waterboarding US prisoners of war."

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Well I looked and found only this specific, in several places, reference to a conviction of a Japanese for war crimes that included it as one small part of his overall crimes:

From UC Berkeley @

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~warcrime/Japan/Yokohama/Reviews/Yokohama_Review_Asano.htm

"Defendant: Asano, Yukio

Docket Date: 53/ May 1 - 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan

Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.

Specifications:beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward

Verdict: 15 years CHL"

I went to quite a few sites and all I found were generalities such as you used. The only specific case I found was the one above in which water boarding was a small part.

As I said originally I must have missed that and could you please provide citations for:

" not one, but many hits that detail how we tried and convicted not one, but several Japanese as war criminals for waterboarding US prisoners of war."

Grammie

I'm not sure your pal Mikey is telling the truth yet. Japanese water torture, as I have seen it reported, is NOTHING like waterboarding:

The Japanese kind of water torture was used to interrogate prisoners during the Second World War, and was quite straightforward but very deadly. The prisoner was pumped full of water using a hose, and then his stomach was beaten and stamped on.

There are also reports of the Japanese using the Chinese water torture treatment: drip drip drip for hours, even days, until the prisoner broke.

So another night of bashing Rudy, which might not be the smartest thin to do in NYC, bashing Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. And this is what Keith calls news??

Posted by: Joe at November 7, 2007 10:34 PM

You seem to think its not news that a leader of the "Moral Majority" endorses a candidate for President that defies almost ALL of the ethics they stand for.

I find it newsworthy.
I guess it just matters if you WANT to hear the news or not.
Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 8, 2007 6:31 PM

If you read the entire post from Joe you'd see that he isn't suggesting that Giuliani or Robertson's endorsement of him is not news worthy and shouldn't be covered on Countdown. You seem to have utterly missed Joe's point which was not simply "don't bash Rudy".

Btw, Robertson is not the leader of the group Moral Majority. Paul Weyrich is and that group has endorsed Mitt Romney.

Here's the part of Joe's post that you left out:

Heck, do an expos� on Rudy one night but to talk about Rudy every night?
Keith is using his show for his personal vendettas.
Anybody who doesn't agree with his point of view, he'll spend a good chunk of his show insulting the person in an adolescent way.
And he is also trying to change voters mind by bashing Rudy.
Is Keith trying to report the news or make it?
Keith's behavior is unethical and I wonder when MSNBC will ever do some hard hitting news stories.
This guy Keith is a joke to news and journalism.

Posted by: Joe at November 7, 2007 10:34 PM

Thanks J$. I would be interested in following up on your info.

Do you have any citations handy?

Grammie

Thank you Cecelia.

"I guess it just matters if you WANT to hear the news or not."
Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 8, 2007 6:31 PM

Cecelia you are right, I don't mind one story on Rudy but this personal attack on him for 15 minutes every night is silly.

I do think that Robertson endorsing Rudy is news worthy for 5 minutes, not 15 minutes. Just remember, there are other candidates out there running for president and whether we like it or not we get the info on them from the news.

And whether Rudy's and Pat Robertson's ethics are in line is of no concern to me, I won't vote for a president solely based on their religious views.
This country needs a lot of fixing and religion isn't on top of the list.

And yes I WANT to hear the news and that's why I don't tune into Keith for it.

Keith's Bush Derangement Syndrome has hit a new level tonight. Now he's blaming Bush for poisioning kid's toys:

"Aqua Dots are a kid's toy with an adhesive on them. And if one of the dots is swallowed, the adhesive turns into GHB, the date rape drug. Just a coincidence that this happens after the President appoints a corporate lawyer and lobbyist to run the Consumer Product Safety Commission?"

WK, you have presented an unusual idea "But if today the ghost of Jerry Falwell endorses Rudy I would want to know about it too. "

I have no doubt that if Jerry Falwell spoke to us from the other side it would be through KO. :)

Grammie

"you don't like Olbermann's spin on the news."

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 8, 2007 11:35 PM

I don't give a flip if he has a "spin" on the news, as long as he doesn't try to hold himself out as some objective truth teller. When Olby isn't lying, he is distorting and manipulating by telling only part of the story. Then he brings on carefully selected guests who will discuss only the part of the story he wants to talk about while his guests agree with his lies or never call him on it.

Do you know of any other cable news show that operates this way, in a controlled, hermetically sealed fashion to insulate the host from dissenting opinion and filtering out all information that may contradict his agenda driven message?

Isn't the Hag's analytical discussion of water boarding and other forms of water torture and wonderful gift to all of us. How lovely she is willing to share her Masochistic fantasies so freely.

Crackpot, a Constitution is only important if it is respected. We have a wonderful, simple powerful document. Yet, we have a president and Administration that respect it not in the least; we have a host of people in this nation that would never think of ratifying the Constitution today and think nothing of allowing the president and Administration to destroy it (all as illustrated on this site by you, the Bag, the Hag, the Gag, Dipshit and J$); and we have a Congress so dedicated to not overly offending the Far Right it stands idly by watching the Constitution being torn apart. I'd say right now we're less free than our British friends who don't even have a written constitution.

In your 3:22 post, Crackpot, you assume that the US healthcare system (about which you cling to the ancient myth that it is the best in the world) involves free choice. Not really. Arguably, there is some choice in the initial selection of one's primary care physician, but even that is limited by insurance and costs concerns, and by the whim and caprice of the physician. After that, you tend to get into a system of increasingly narrow choices or no choice. Underlying this is this huge problem of collusion among insurers, physicians, hospitals and, most importantly, pharmacuetical companies.

Anecdotal evidence, your favorite form of argument, is always suspect and of limited value, but I will share some with you. I have been in Italy for about a month on business. Yesterday, a tremendous weather system came through western Europe. I at once developed a sinus infection I sometimes experience at home, congestion, sore throat, burning, watery eyes, etc. I considered going to a physician, but I stopped off at the local pharmacy. I described my symptoms, told the pharmacist what my physician at home routinely prescribed in such matters, and Voila! I had t