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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    November 7, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - November 7, 2007

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • PAT ROBERTSON AND RUDY: Dana Milbank
    • PROJECT RUDY: Wayne Barrett
    • POLL NUMBERS: They must be down
    • AT&T IS SPYING ON YOU: Mark Klein

    Keith Oralmann bellowed the opening spiel, and it was an all-you-can-eat smorgasboard of Bathtub Boy's favorite targets: Rudy! Pat Robertson! NSA! O'Reilly! And, yes, Britney!: It's hump day at Olbermann Watch.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #5: Robertson "sells" faith "as if it were toothpaste". (What in the wide world of sports does that mean?) Rudy is twice-divorced (second mention). Oh wait, third mention. That needs to get a [Ding!]. Krazy Keith is not the guy who should make snarky comments about other people's love lives. Karma can be a bitch. General attack on Pat and rundown of his greatest hits. In the deja vu seat of honor: Dana Milbank, minus motley mufti, joined in the attack. Great Thanks.

    On to torture again and Project Rudy. Barrett, the ever-reliable anti-Giuliani hack, was the "expert" again, so he bashed Giuliani for five minutes but didn't disprove anything Rudy said. No there there, but that's SOP on OlbyPlanet. Great Thanks.

    #4: Polls and more polls. Hillary "still leading", with no mention of how much she has fallen since the debate. Of all the candidates, the only one Olby reported the "top concerns" of voters about was--you guessed it--Rudy. Welcome to The Hour of Spin.

    #3: Evil companies are "spying" on you, on orders of "Mister" Bush.

    #2: An entire segment to attack O'Reilly? Hoorah! How many lies did Olbermoronn tell this time? O'Reilly took a report from the New York Times? How dare he! O'Reilly "lied through his teeth". Falafel! [Ding!] Fox Noise! [Ding!] Rosie in talks with MSNBC? Only "rumored", according to Olby. Lie #1: confirmed by MSNBC and by Rosie herself. O'Reilly "spat out" incorrect ratings numbers. Lie #2. Next Fat Ass tried to "prove" Mr Bill was wrong when he said Countdown had no ratings growth in October. To do so, Oralmann went back to comparisons to--when? January 2007 of course! The old trick: pick a low point, and then brag about how much higher you are now. Lie #3. You can see the ratings charted here. Fox Noise [Ding!]. Yep, this kind of phony hucksterism continues on OlbyPlanet, even as Mr Humility refuses to apologize for, or even correct, his own repellent smears.

    Hey, Bathman, husker du?

    #1: George Clooney, Fabio. In the Media Matters Minute, Herr Olbermahn attacks "comedian" Rush Limbaugh (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters) and Brit Hume of Fox Noise [Ding!] (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters). Fixed Noise [Ding!]. Straight from the website to Merkle's teleprompter.

    MisterMeter

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name is #19,330 on amazon, while "Culture Warrior" is #4,090. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) Barnes & Noble has the OlbyTome down to #106,033; O'Reilly's book is #2,429 there,--and it's now out in paperback! Amazon lists the Culture Warrior paperback at #510, while the paperback edition of Oralmann's book is soaring at #49,625. On Tuesday the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann again lost overwhelmingly to the eeevil O'Reilly, both in total viewers and in the coveted, pivotal, much-beloved, critical, all-important "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 1 [LOW]


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (160) | | View blog reactions

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    I knew a revenge story would be set aside to deal with Mr. Bill's harsh dose of ratings reality last night. Big shocker!

    And Johnny, when he claimed victory for NBC in the 18-49 category for all the shows he mentioned, is it because they fell short on total viewers?? What's the truth behind that?

    You had to listen carefully as he rattled off those NBC stats. Sometimes it was 18-49. Sometimes it was MEN 18-49. In point of fact, NBC is WAY down from just a few years ago when it was the #1 broadcast network. Oralmann didn't mention that of course. I didn't count it as a lie because it technically wasn't. It was just sleazy, misleading, dishonest propaganda, the stock in trade of the infamous, deplorable Keith Oralmann.

    That's what I figured- him cherry picking the data. Thanks for the info.

    More outstanding leadership from Hugo Chavez.

    CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Gunmen opened fire on students returning from a march Wednesday in which 80,000 people denounced President Hugo Chavez's attempts to expand his power. At least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, officials said.

    Photographers for The Associated Press saw at least four gunmen - their faces covered by ski masks or T-shirts - firing handguns at the anti-Chavez crowd. Terrified students ran through the campus as ambulances arrived.

    National Guard troops gathered outside the Central University of Venezuela, the nation's largest and a center for opposition to Chavez's government. Venezuelan law bars state security forces from entering the campus, but Luis Acuna, the minister of higher education, said they could be called in if the university requests them.

    Antonio Rivero, director of Venezuela's Civil Defense agency, told local Union Radio that at least eight people were injured, including one by gunfire, and that no one had been killed. Earlier, Rivero said he had been informed that one person had died in the violence.

    The violence broke out after anti-Chavez demonstrators - led by university students - marched peacefully to the Supreme Court to protest constitutional changes that Venezuelans will consider in a December referendum.

    Later, Globovision television broadcast a video of armed men riding motorcycles arriving at the university, where they entered the same building in which several of the gunmen were located. The pistol-toting men stood at the doorway - one of them firing a handgun in the air - as people fled the building.

    Justice Minister Pedro Carreno blamed students, university authorities, opposition parties and the media for the violence.


    Sean Penn, Danny Glover, and the other useful idiots should be proud. Aren't the students in Venezuela lucky to have such a wonder leader who has the courge to hire thugs to beat and shoot them? We are stuck with George Bush.

    CutRudiDown w/ KO back in full swing tonight, even KOs latest SC didnt get his ratings to even half of BillO's Tues, isn't one def of insanity repeating the samething over and over and expecting different result?

    So another night of bashing Rudy, which might not be the smartest thin to do in NYC, bashing Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. And this is what Keith calls news??
    Heck, do an expos� on Rudy one night but to talk about Rudy every night?
    Keith is using his show for his personal vendettas.
    Anybody who doesn't agree with his point of view, he'll spend a good chunk of his show insulting the person in an adolescent way.
    And he is also trying to change voters mind by bashing Rudy.
    Is Keith trying to report the news or make it?
    Keith's behavior is unethical and I wonder when MSNBC will ever do some hard hitting news stories.
    This guy Keith is a joke to news and journalism.

    Olby lies:

    Olby says that Hillary is ahead 47% in the polls. Those were pre-debate results. The current numbers is 34%.

    Olby omission: Olby sneers at Republicans when the Republican governor of Kentucky loss his re-election bid as if it was a nail in the coffin of conservatism even though Republican Mississippi governor Haley Barbour won re-election with 58% of the vote.

    Keith is using his show for his personal vendettas.
    Anybody who doesn't agree with his point of view, he'll spend a good chunk of his show insulting the person in an adolescent way.

    Posted by: Joe at November 7, 2007 10:34 PM


    Keith's vendettas or lack of tolerance towards dissent, is something that's pretty selective.

    I cannot remember the source but there was some interview that Keith did where he mentioned running to Sean Hannity while Keith worked at ABC radio.

    The tenor of the story was that he (Keith) and Hannity were fairly cordial.

    But when Keith left the Patrick show it seems he's gone out of his way to snipe and target Hannity in the most personally negative way.

    It's the same way he did Imus. I think if Tucker or Scarborough or even Chris Matthews...(anyone who holds any political opinion to the right of Rachael Maddow) left MSNBC tomorrow they'd find themselves winning the WPITW gold the next day.

    You can measure the credibility of the show by listing the network talent that appears on it.
    Brian Williams, NBC News nightly host ............ NO
    Tim Russert, Host of Meet the Press, .......... Crickets
    Andrea Mitchell or David Gregory .......... I don't recall.
    Olbermann is the “popular” nightly network cable host that no other senior network anchor or correspondent wants anything to do with. Even the aforementioned collections of liberals find Countdown, a bridge too far. Kind of makes one wonder.

    It's the same way he did Imus. I think if Tucker or Scarborough or even Chris Matthews...(anyone who holds any political opinion to the right of Rachael Maddow) left MSNBC tomorrow they'd find themselves winning the WPITW gold the next day.

    Posted by: Cecelia at November 7, 2007 11:30 PM

    Exactly!

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45118-2003Mar28.html

    On Saturday, the Washington Post's Lisa de Moraes provided a humorous recapping of Olbermann's job instability. An excerpt:

    My head hurts trying to keep track of Keith Olbermann's career. Yesterday, MSNBC announced it had rehired Olbermann to anchor a nightly show in the very same 8 p.m. time slot he used to have on the cable network.

    Olbermann quit MSNBC five years ago, saying its obsession with the Monica Lewinsky story gave him "the dry heaves."

    Yesterday's MSNBC news comes about 15 months after Olbermann announced he had returned to CNN, where he had worked in the '80s. "It's wonderful to be home," Olbermann said then.

    He stayed home less than a year. His second stint at CNN had been announced about eight months after his job at Fox Sports Net collapsed.

    This marks the third time Olbermann has worked for MSNBC President Erik Sorenson. That includes Olbermann's tenure at MSNBC starting in summer '97, not long after he walked out of ESPN, prompting one ESPN official to comment, "He didn't burn the bridges here, he napalmed them."

    Before ESPN, Olbermann worked as a sportscaster at KCBS in Los Angeles for then-general manager Erik Sorenson. You may have heard the story about Olbermann breaking a bathroom door there to illustrate his unhappiness about a substandard promo segment.

    "He's edgy, he's got attitude, he's hip, he's clever, he's a good writer," Sorenson said yesterday.

    Nineteen months ago he called Olbermann "the Gary Sheffield of broadcasting" -- a reference to the talented, much-traded slugger who is considered clubhouse poison. Of course, Sorenson said that during one of those periods when Olbermann wasn't actually working for him.

    All things considered, MSNBC and Olbermann are a match made in heaven; the network changes strategies about as often as he changes jobs.

    Olbermann said he isn't concerned about MSNBC's ever-changing game plan, because parent NBC has already announced he will host the cable network's Summer Olympics coverage in '04. NBC will telecast about 800 hours of Summer Games, 600 of which will be brought to you on MSNBC and CNBC. It would be pretty embarrassing for MSNBC to sack him this year and have to bring him back for the Games, Olbermann joked....

    CNN considered giving Olbermann the 8 p.m. time period during his last, brief stint there. The network went with Connie Chung instead; it canceled her show last week.

    END of Excerpt

    Not for long. The world is counting the minutes.
    Our long national nightmare can't end soon enough.
    There's even Bush Countdown Calender.
    Send me your orders.

    Posted by: Why don't you think at November 7, 2007 11:46 PM

    Are Chavez and Assad paying you commission for each order or by the hour?

    Going by Olby's love for bar graphs, I say he has a serious case of penis envy and is trying to compensate for...well...you know.

    Better enjoy your last few months of republican rule. No one else is...and you won't even sniff the presidency for eons thanks to the bungled presidency of the guy you voted for.
    I know it's hard to live down...but I'm sure you 'll find something to get you thru the night.
    Maybe a friend...named Johnny Walker ( Red)

    Posted by: Why don't you think at November 7, 2007 11:57 PM


    Famous last words .................


    Hey Olby's wig....I noticed you head out of Dodge when I made you a wager on Keith's hair. Offer is still good !

    But Cee needs the wig. Olby has a good head of hair.

    Posted by: Why don't you think at November 8, 2007 12:07 AM

    Are you his hair dresser? Also, after constructing sentences like "I noticed you head out of Dodge when I made you a wager on Keith's hair.", I don't think you are in a position to accuse someone of spending 3 years in the third grade.

    Better enjoy your last few months of republican rule. No one else is...and you won't even sniff the presidency for eons thanks to the bungled presidency of the guy you voted for.
    I know it's hard to live down...but I'm sure you 'll find something to get you thru the night.
    Maybe a friend...named Johnny Walker ( Red)

    Posted by: Why don't you think at November 7, 2007 11:57 PM

    Johnny Walker Red sounds great. I'll toast to the Democratic presidential frontrunners as they say they'll keep troops in Iraq for stability reasons for several years to come and as they move away from moonbats like you in the general election.

    On the otherhand you can suck reefer, let it continue to do the number it has done on your brain, and keep going into paranoid spasms over evil Republicans even as your candidates reflect my views more than they do yours.

    Far out man... :D

    BOBO,

    Did you enjoy the proceedings in the house today? When Dennis(arrived on Earth in a flying saucer from Pluto) Kookcinich started his impeachment deal against Cheney the Republicans made the Democrats look like fools again.

    And don't forget, 52 weeks from now you will hang yourself when Hillary gets her ass kicked by the Republican nominee.

    And don't forget, 52 weeks from now you will hang yourself when Hillary gets her ass kicked by the Republican nominee.

    Posted by: Rico at November 8, 2007 12:50 AM


    Chucky would never do any harm.....to himself... (cute puppies and cuddly kitten need to run for their lives though)

    I will never vote for Hillary Clinton for president!!!

    We vote for the candidate we want.

    Sarkozy of France seems to appreciate America more than Olbyloon and the liberal loony left moonbats.

    Yes, and Sarkozy has already been divorced twice. The perfect Repugnantcan.

    The economic news this morning is encouraging:

    Oil is at about $98.00/bbl and expected to hit $100.00.

    The US Dollar took another huge tumble.

    The stock market had another stumble.

    Thanks goodness for George W. Bush. Can you imagine if Bill Clinton were president? Peace and prosperity makes America soft.

    Why don't you think puked:

    "I know you start to glaze over whenever educational tools are used.
    Must remind you of the 3 years you spent in 9th grade."

    Not my fault Olby is obsessed with waving around his longer bar and bragging about it ad nauseum.

    Mental Midgets (Why) looks to a year from now for his hope!.....

    All while ignoring the small signs of true wisdom in the real Americans he so hates....

    Embryonic Stem Cell Research funding defeated handily in "blue" NJ.....(they finally let you out of your straight-jacket after your reaction over that one, midget?)

    S-CHIP like program refused funding in likewise "blue" Oregon...."WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?" says Reverand Mrs. Lovejoy.....

    Republicans crush Democrats is Katrina torn Mississippi which has shown great rebirh under REPUBLICAN rule as compared to Louisiana.....and who controlled that state?.....

    Democrats...oh, oh, oh...and who just won that governer seat?.....A REPUBLICAN?...really?...I thought they were going to be destroyed?

    How about Washington DC?....What examples of anti-America leftist leadership do we have there?.....

    IMPEACHMENT.....defeated by who? ...the democratic leadership. But why? I thought we could not wait until Bush/Cheney leave the government, those criminals!.....

    S-CHIP.....no compromise, no legislation...."WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!?" says Reverand Mrs. Lovejoy again....Graeme Frost WILL DIE because there is not funding!

    Iraq War Funding....fumbling, indecision, aw.... just give Georgie what he wants eventually.....

    A well run house accomplishing promises made in 11/06?.....hardly....we just cut a working day off/week just so the democrats could go home and "educate" the population on the great accomplishments!....

    As Pelosi prdeicted?....THE CHILDREN'S CONGRESS!.....ha, ha, ha.....what a joke!

    And they were?

    Oh, oh, oh.....and don't forget....what the left wing has prepared to pass once an executive veto threat is removed next January......

    CHARLIE RANGEL'S PROPOSED BIGGEST TAX INCREASE IN AMERICAN HISTORY!!!!!!

    These will play real well through the summer to average Americans not poisoned by the anti-American fringe left like dear mental midget.....

    Oh and the summer.....

    The Democratic nominee...read HRC...(and pro-Iraq accupation) will have to contend with a 1968-like push from the radical anti-American left....I can't wait to see that one!....

    HRC...can't decide whether to pander to illegal immigrants (potnetial future supporters) or the greater than 70% of her present legal constiuents in blue New York who do not want drivers licenses given to illegals....

    What a great example of leadership!....

    "Don't pile on me because I am a woman!"

    "Bill, my adulterous sodomist husband....defend me please!"

    "Don't swift-boat my wife, fellow democrats!"

    "Bill Clinton is not speaking for the campaign!"

    FOUR MORE YEARS OF SCANDAL AND PARTISANSHIP FOR THE RETREAD LEFTIST BABY BOOMERS' BENEFIT!

    I do agree with Obama....Hillary will not be able to unite the country simply because of her generational scar that the radical left inflicted on everyone!

    Oh it is good to see agreement!

    Keep hope alive, mental midget! Your utopia is nigh!

    Why doesn't Rudy invite himself on Countdown and if allowed destroy KO or, more likely, when turned down, publicize the fact and shut this blowhard up.

    Speaking of Rudy, rick...he had a great line regarding Mrs. Clinton's debate response....

    "'If you think a question about driver's licenses is a tough question, a gotcha question, you're not ready for [Iranian leader Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad,' Mr. Giuliani told a New Hampshire town hall meeting a few days ago."

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119447348096585683.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news


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    Olbermann will just keep attacking Rudy as part of his "countdown" and in WPITW but never face the man and ask his questions because he knows Giuliani would eat him alive in a face to face interview.

    Oblowmeman is nothing but a big steaming stinking pile of Hugo Chavez dung. Then he smokes the pile of Hugo jekem. Brain burned msnbc toad.

    Skankbare most Americans stopped living in deadly fear of Communists about 50 years ago. Come to the 21st Century. The first seven (7) years have sucked, but they'll be improving soon.

    Philby, tell that to the dead people your hero (puko) had shot for protesting.

    Really? Really- Liarly?
    In 1957- there was NO communist threat?

    Its great thinkers like you who will ensure that the Republicans win by a landslide!

    Libs 1950's- "There's no Communist Threat"
    Libs 2000's- "There's no Terrorist Threat"

    You can tell the Libs on this site are really scared about 08 when they start declaring "Mission Accomplished" over and over again.

    Just saw this at Drudge:

    http://www.rosie.com/blog/2007/11/07/the-show-that-never-was/

    Rosie and PSMBC are not going to walk down the aisle together.

    Grammie

    "Rosie and PSMBC are not going to walk down the aisle together."

    I caught that too Grammie.

    It would have been funny to see the "lead in" with Olbermann talking to Rosie....they would have made a great couple....

    and would have given this site a whole lot more material.

    I think Rosie and Olbermann would kill each other. As much as Olbermann despises women in television and as big and ego as he has, Olbermann would be in the bathtub full time. Rosie hates men and has a huge ego herself. Those two trying to share the spot light as head moonbat would have been fun to watch. One of them would not last, and I guessing it would be Olbermann who abandon ship first.

    Obama - Rama @11:03:

    "Libs 1950's- "There is no communist threat."
    "Libs 2000's- "there is no terrorist threat."

    You have it wrong in both instances....or oversimplification might be the better word.

    The "Libs" in the 1950's did not think "There was no communist threat." They just thought that Joseph McCarthy led Nazi Style inquests trying to ferret out all suspected American communist sympathizers was far more of an internal threat to America and it's core principles than any American communist could ever be.....And you know what? They were RIGHT!

    The "Libs" of this decade fully understand the Islamic terrorist threat, but we have been able to keep the threat in it's proper perspective. Our official reaction to 911 will be recorded as one of the most massive over-reactions in history....And to watch your heros continually beating the war drums about Islamic Terrorism as the "greatest threat we have ever faced" is similar to the African hunter more worried about the leopard he can actually see and keep at bay than the charging pride of lions closing in from the sides.

    In the face of the Democrats' absolute refusal to admit to their fecklessness, fatuity and recklessness in allowing known Soviet spies to penetrate the deepest levels of government, McCarthy demanded an accounting.

    Even if one concedes to on-the-one-hand-on-the-other-hand whiners like Ronald Radosh that Truman's Secretary of State Dean Acheson didn't like communism, his record is what it was. And that record was to treat Soviet spies like members of the Hasty Pudding Club.

    Rather than own up to their moral blindness to Soviet espionage, Democrats fired up the liberal slander machine, which would be deployed again and again over the next half century to the present day. In hiding their own perfidy, liberals were guilty of every sin they lyingly imputed to McCarthy. There were no "McCarthyites" until liberals came along.

    Ironically, for all of their love of conspiracy theories -- the rigging of the 2000 election, vote suppression in Ohio in 2004, 9/11 being an inside job, oil companies covering up miracle technology that would allow cars to run on dirt, Britney Spears' career, etc., etc. -- when presented with an actual conspiracy of Soviet spies infiltrating the U.S. government, they laughed it off like world-weary skeptics and dedicated themselves to slandering Joe McCarthy.

    Then as now, liberals protect themselves from detection with wild calumnies against anybody who opposes them. They have no interest in -- or aptitude for -- persuasion. Their goal is to anathematize their enemies. Blacklisted by History removes the curse from one of the greatest patriots in American history.

    Well put, Obama.

    Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs were totally innocent.

    It was McCarthy who planted those phony documents in the KGB files that lied about them.

    Grammie

    Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs were totally innocent.

    It was McCarthy who planted those phony documents in the KGB files that lied about them.

    Grammie

    Sorry for the double post. I'll try to be more careful.

    Grammie

    Obama-Rama.....I agree with your post at 1:28PM but make sure you cite your source next time......The post is from an excellent review of facts from M. Stanton Evans' "Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies" in Ann Coulter's latest column....

    http://www.anncoulter.com/


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    That being said, I prepare for Mike's ad hominem attack on the source without his investigating it's accuracy....

    Afterall, its the hateful Ann Coulter!

    "That being said, I prepare for Mike's ad hominem attack on the source without investigating it's accuracy...."

    What were you saying about "personal attacks" before....oh Mr. all knowing Cee,.... even as you unilaterally just began the cycle all over again?


    Many, many INNOCENT Americans were irrepairably damaged by McCarthy's hateful inquest.

    The revisionism of history continues by the extreme right.

    And Obama, as much as you yearn to believe otherwise, the conspiracists are NOT an exclusive domain of the 'left'. BOTH sides have their fair share of conspiracy theory extremists. In fact, the ones I happen to know personally who believe in the 911 conspiracy are BAPTIST CHRISTIAN FUNDAMENTALISTS.

    "Afterall, it's the hateful Ann Coulter"

    Yes, YOUR side's Rosie O'Donnell!

    We all have our liabilities.

    Dear Mike....many many Soviet spies were found and the infiltration allowed by the Democrats in the forties was discovered and stopped during a very critical time of the cold war....

    This is yet another example of the anti-American left's wonderful attempts to whitewash history. There was widespread communist infiltration into the US Government under Truman but that small incovienient truth is ok to overlook because McCarthy demanded people account for their radical political affiliations....

    People should have been proud to be communist....afterall, why let the jealousy of the classes and the drive to accumulate wealth impede one's ideology....I'll never understand why people where so upset to be blacklisted when their worldview was so compassionate and progressive!

    Janet: "It was McCarthy who planted those phony documents in the KGB files that lied about them."

    So Janet, lets go back to the war trials of Japanese "war criminals" for none other than.....waterboarding....that you tried to corner me ad hominum style the other night about. You just love playing 'gotcha', don't you? And when you're wrong, simply go silent about that subject RK style and begin an offensive elsewhere....As you did when you dropped the waterboarding subject like a hot potatoe after discovering you were wrong..... again, ... and then promply launching into an all night long personal attack against me for forgetting about a quick one or two shot post that had nothing to do with you anyway.

    Sure Janet....you're certainly capable of keeping everything in proper perspective, aren't you?

    Gotta go for now.

    "People should be proud to be communist"

    By your extremist right wing reasoning, I guess that statement makes perfect sense to you, but it rings of zealotry and fanaticism to most folks who have managed to maintain a reasonable sense of moderation.

    As practiced by the Soviet Union, Communism was anything but a compassionate and progressive system and it ultimately failed for the very same reason ANY extremist ideology, such as yours, is doomed to fail.

    There goes Mike again, changing the subjected when he is wrong. A classic tactic of the left. Water boarding is used on our own military personnel by the military. Our we torturing our own troops? Run along Mike, we are already tired of your foolishness.

    Oh, but Mike, the communist sympathizers (read leftists) only had The USSR in the 1940's and 1950's as their example of their ideology in practice....now you are making excuses for them?

    Let's try to be objective here. If you are for total government control of large areas of the economy and resources needed by all of the people, then you have bought into the very same ideology that was at the very core of The USSR....You have even claimed yourself that you believe the healthcare industry should be a government run entity because of some dream of equity and charity.....What is the difference then to say energy, food, entertainment or whatever should be distributed by the government, Mike?

    As a member of the healthcare industry, I resent your conclusions that the government should be the sole payer and then, by default, controlling of a community that I feel is the best in the world and very compassionate and giving.

    So, going back to the dear 1950's....who ere these innocent people with pure ideology that in no way encouraged the communists in their expressed mission to achieve worldwide revolution?

    The lies about ratings were spat
    By the host with the ass big and fat
    The truth is Keith sucks
    Waste of four million bucks
    He sniffs where O'Reilly once shat

    Whoa Katy....I am impressed with that last word...you don't here it much anymore!

    tell that to the dead people your hero (puko) had shot for protesting.

    Posted by: royal king at November 8, 2007 11:02 AM

    -----

    Lies, again, Dipshit.

    Can you even tell the truth? Do you even want to try?

    Gather up your food stamps, go buy yourself a big bag of Pork Rinds, get your comfort food stuffed into you fat ass and see if maybe you can't be a bit positive about something, anything. We've all known other women who whine, moan and bitch constantly, but you really take the Moon Pie.

    Oh darn, and the afternoon here had been so bright and pleasant until Larry decided to come back and post.

    I feel the positive energy just draining away towards Kucinich's UFO.

    I know you can't tolerate anyone that takes exception to your own personal Mein Kampf, Crackpot. Alas, most people find your ideas as repulsive as you snotty attitude and demeanor.

    DIDJAEVERNOTICE...
    ...whenever anybody references Sacry Uncle KO (even if not directly by name) in anything other than a saintly light, the very next time on air Sacry Uncle KO has a verbal hit piece on the offender?

    No, but I don't watch Olbermann often. I tend to get my information about him and his program from the obsessive-compulsive ultra right wing sociopaths drawn to this site. As a healthy, well-adjusted, articulate and intelligent adult it, I reject it as much as I do Black Forest cake and tepid Bosco for breakfast.

    "I know you can't tolerate anyone that takes exception to your own personal Mein Kampf, Crackpot. Alas, most people find your ideas as repulsive as you snotty attitude and demeanor."


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    You must be confusing me with the angry Finnish youth on YouTube, Larry.....

    "Witnesses described a scene of mayhem in the leafy lakeside community, in which the assailant scoured the school for victims while shouting 'Revolution!'

    "'I am prepared to fight and die for my cause. I, as a natural selector, will eliminate all who I see unfit, disgraces of human race and failures of natural selection,' the [teenager's] posting said."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071108/ap_on_re_eu/finland_school_shooting_47


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    No, Larry...I am not a revolutionary, I am a conservative....leftists belong to your description....I am tolerant, happy to discuss any topic, and willing to listen.....

    And most importantly, not inclined to violence and serving as judge, jury and executioner.

    You, as a member of the three stooges, seem less inclined to listen, learn or grow. Try some self reflection and perhaps the anger will float harmlessly away!

    Sorry, Crackpot, but I am not angry. More amused at the foolishness from you, the Bag, the Hag and the Gag, and pure pity for Dipshit.

    I reject it as much as I do Black Forest cake and tepid Bosco for breakfast.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 8, 2007 4:51 PM

    We understand Llarry. Black Forest Cake and Bosco probably don't complement the taste of your morning Mad Dog 20/20.

    Yeah, riiiiight, Llarry....your posts just scream peace, love and tolerance....

    You're a leftist and to be angry is only natural...your 4:31 post is the perfect example....poor RK was only pointing out what your fellow traveler in ideology was up to yesterday?.....

    What, you don't approve?

    I find that often American leftists run away from their more emotional and powerful ideological brothers in countries that lack such a wonderful constitution like our's.....a constitution that keeps people like you, Larry, from accomplishing exactly what their worldview requires....

    supression of thought and religious belief and service only to the secular state.....

    yep....ya gotta be angry when a great system like ours hinders your drive towards utopia, uh Larry?

    As a healthy, well-adjusted, articulate and intelligent adult it, I reject it as much as I do Black Forest cake and tepid Bosco for breakfast.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 8, 2007 4:51 PM


    Yes, Adult Its, like Llarry, generally breakfast on froth, ashes, and their own spleen...

    They are what they eat. :D

    > I guess its deplorable when a TV show host does it to prove the popularity of his show, but perfectly fine when a President does it to rush into a war.

    No, it's relevant when Olbermann does it, not relevant when some politican does it. Because this site is about Keith Oralmann. It's not BushWatch, it's Olbermann Watch. How incredibly dense and stupid Olbyloons must be that they can't even read the masthead at the top of every page.

    Well Mikey let me quote both of us in response your complaint @2:53 PM.

    #########################
    I said: "Mikey says that:

    "AMAZING! We have tried and convicted enemies in the past as "war criminals" for using waterboarding. "

    I must have missed that.

    Citations please.

    Grammie
    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 6, 2007 9:03 PM "

    ####################
    You responded: "Janet, I'll give you no citations for anything until you stop calling me "Mikey". "

    And then: "That said, I just did an internet seach using something called "google" using three key word groups, including "waterboarding", "Japanese", and "war criminal". If you do this, you will find not one, but many hits that detail how we tried and convicted not one, but several Japanese as war criminals for waterboarding US prisoners of war."

    ############################

    Well I looked and found only this specific, in several places, reference to a conviction of a Japanese for war crimes that included it as one small part of his overall crimes:

    From UC Berkeley @

    http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~warcrime/Japan/Yokohama/Reviews/Yokohama_Review_Asano.htm

    "Defendant: Asano, Yukio

    Docket Date: 53/ May 1 - 28, 1947, Yokohama, Japan

    Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.

    Specifications:beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward

    Verdict: 15 years CHL"

    I went to quite a few sites and all I found were generalities such as you used. The only specific case I found was the one above in which water boarding was a small part.

    As I said originally I must have missed that and could you please provide citations for:

    " not one, but many hits that detail how we tried and convicted not one, but several Japanese as war criminals for waterboarding US prisoners of war."

    Grammie

    I'm not sure your pal Mikey is telling the truth yet. Japanese water torture, as I have seen it reported, is NOTHING like waterboarding:

    The Japanese kind of water torture was used to interrogate prisoners during the Second World War, and was quite straightforward but very deadly. The prisoner was pumped full of water using a hose, and then his stomach was beaten and stamped on.

    There are also reports of the Japanese using the Chinese water torture treatment: drip drip drip for hours, even days, until the prisoner broke.


    So another night of bashing Rudy, which might not be the smartest thin to do in NYC, bashing Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. And this is what Keith calls news??

    Posted by: Joe at November 7, 2007 10:34 PM

    You seem to think its not news that a leader of the "Moral Majority" endorses a candidate for President that defies almost ALL of the ethics they stand for.

    I find it newsworthy.
    I guess it just matters if you WANT to hear the news or not.
    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 8, 2007 6:31 PM

    If you read the entire post from Joe you'd see that he isn't suggesting that Giuliani or Robertson's endorsement of him is not news worthy and shouldn't be covered on Countdown. You seem to have utterly missed Joe's point which was not simply "don't bash Rudy".

    Btw, Robertson is not the leader of the group Moral Majority. Paul Weyrich is and that group has endorsed Mitt Romney.

    Here's the part of Joe's post that you left out:

    Heck, do an expos� on Rudy one night but to talk about Rudy every night?
    Keith is using his show for his personal vendettas.
    Anybody who doesn't agree with his point of view, he'll spend a good chunk of his show insulting the person in an adolescent way.
    And he is also trying to change voters mind by bashing Rudy.
    Is Keith trying to report the news or make it?
    Keith's behavior is unethical and I wonder when MSNBC will ever do some hard hitting news stories.
    This guy Keith is a joke to news and journalism.

    Posted by: Joe at November 7, 2007 10:34 PM

    Thanks J$. I would be interested in following up on your info.

    Do you have any citations handy?

    Grammie

    Thank you Cecelia.

    "I guess it just matters if you WANT to hear the news or not."
    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 8, 2007 6:31 PM

    Cecelia you are right, I don't mind one story on Rudy but this personal attack on him for 15 minutes every night is silly.

    I do think that Robertson endorsing Rudy is news worthy for 5 minutes, not 15 minutes. Just remember, there are other candidates out there running for president and whether we like it or not we get the info on them from the news.

    And whether Rudy's and Pat Robertson's ethics are in line is of no concern to me, I won't vote for a president solely based on their religious views.
    This country needs a lot of fixing and religion isn't on top of the list.

    And yes I WANT to hear the news and that's why I don't tune into Keith for it.

    Keith's Bush Derangement Syndrome has hit a new level tonight. Now he's blaming Bush for poisioning kid's toys:

    "Aqua Dots are a kid's toy with an adhesive on them. And if one of the dots is swallowed, the adhesive turns into GHB, the date rape drug. Just a coincidence that this happens after the President appoints a corporate lawyer and lobbyist to run the Consumer Product Safety Commission?"

    WK, you have presented an unusual idea "But if today the ghost of Jerry Falwell endorses Rudy I would want to know about it too. "

    I have no doubt that if Jerry Falwell spoke to us from the other side it would be through KO. :)

    Grammie

    "you don't like Olbermann's spin on the news."

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 8, 2007 11:35 PM


    I don't give a flip if he has a "spin" on the news, as long as he doesn't try to hold himself out as some objective truth teller. When Olby isn't lying, he is distorting and manipulating by telling only part of the story. Then he brings on carefully selected guests who will discuss only the part of the story he wants to talk about while his guests agree with his lies or never call him on it.

    Do you know of any other cable news show that operates this way, in a controlled, hermetically sealed fashion to insulate the host from dissenting opinion and filtering out all information that may contradict his agenda driven message?

    Isn't the Hag's analytical discussion of water boarding and other forms of water torture and wonderful gift to all of us. How lovely she is willing to share her Masochistic fantasies so freely.

    Crackpot, a Constitution is only important if it is respected. We have a wonderful, simple powerful document. Yet, we have a president and Administration that respect it not in the least; we have a host of people in this nation that would never think of ratifying the Constitution today and think nothing of allowing the president and Administration to destroy it (all as illustrated on this site by you, the Bag, the Hag, the Gag, Dipshit and J$); and we have a Congress so dedicated to not overly offending the Far Right it stands idly by watching the Constitution being torn apart. I'd say right now we're less free than our British friends who don't even have a written constitution.

    In your 3:22 post, Crackpot, you assume that the US healthcare system (about which you cling to the ancient myth that it is the best in the world) involves free choice. Not really. Arguably, there is some choice in the initial selection of one's primary care physician, but even that is limited by insurance and costs concerns, and by the whim and caprice of the physician. After that, you tend to get into a system of increasingly narrow choices or no choice. Underlying this is this huge problem of collusion among insurers, physicians, hospitals and, most importantly, pharmacuetical companies.

    Anecdotal evidence, your favorite form of argument, is always suspect and of limited value, but I will share some with you. I have been in Italy for about a month on business. Yesterday, a tremendous weather system came through western Europe. I at once developed a sinus infection I sometimes experience at home, congestion, sore throat, burning, watery eyes, etc. I considered going to a physician, but I stopped off at the local pharmacy. I described my symptoms, told the pharmacist what my physician at home routinely prescribed in such matters, and Voila! I had the drugs I needed. All at 25% or less of the cost at home, all manufacturered by the reputable (once again German) Bayer. I feel much better today.

    We could, of course, get into the argument about physician oversight. I don't elect to do so, and there is precious little oversight at all, anyway.

    What is more telling is that were I in the States, I would have had to go set for hours in germ and virus infested waiting room filled with people coughing, blowing their noses, belching, for a 2 minute visit with a physician who would pull out a pad and prescribe the same thing he always prescribes, without really paying a bit of attention to me. It would have cost me 75% more (actually, it would have cost my insurance company 50% more) than what I paid here. Why? The system of collusion that characterizes modern medical health care in the United States. The physician receives all sorts of perks and "bribes" from the pharmaceutical company, the insurance company has all sorts of contractual benefits with the pharmaceutical company, etc., etc.

    Wherein is this choice of which you wax so inarticulately? In your very simple and closed mind, I think. To be sure, it would be wrong to call the US system a monopoly at this point, but it is a well-developed pyramid scheme of which the victim is the person requiring health care.

    I am sure you have reaped tremendous benefit from the corrupt system, and for that shame on you! Shame!

    What is going to force national health care in the US, and it is coming, although not immediately, is the inherently corrupt and accordingly costly system that enriches insurers, physicians and pharamceutical companies, but patients only indirectly. In the end, it will not be the non-existent secular humanist left wing communist boogie men you so fear who bring the system crumbling down. It will be people like you, the insurers and the pharmaceutical companies collapsing under the weight of their own corruption and collusion. If you want to save the system we presently have, in some form, "Physician, heal thyself!" Stop looking for someone else to blame.

    Oh Larry....that last paragraph says it all about your worldview.....

    I hear echos of Marx poetically speaking of evil conspiracies of the bourgoius business class, the elite in his society....just replace corporations and physicians and voila....once again the central secular authority will take care of these evil money-grubbing classists!

    Larry, you fall into the same trap as every other zombie leftist. Seeing conspiracy in basic human nature in EVERYONE but yourself. You are a businessman....what business?....What gives you the moral advantage over me, or the guy who makes his living to support his family by working in the shipping department of that EVIL pharma, my receiptionist who is doing the same, or any other HUMAN BEING that puts their 40-50 hours/week doing their job in the FREE MARKET healthcare industry of The United States of America? What moral authority do you or any other leftist have to proclaim that only this industry is ripe for tight governmental control while other equally important industries to the well-being of humankind may act only on the profit motive?

    I do not take advantage of anybody. I bill ethically, I treat my patients with respect and dignity and I love what I do. You, however, just see me and the millions of people dedicated to giving healthcare to our fellow citizens, as simple cogs that need governent authority to insure some moral outcome you, and only you, have determined as the only "just" outcome.

    You are NO different than the religious rightwinger who demands government authority over me in my private life based on some moral paradigm. Again, what business are you in? Something to do with energy?....how about food, clothing, shelter?.....I could find some moral impulse that demands central government authority to make me feel better like you did in that Italian Pharmacy likely getting an antibiotic for a viral illness....O, o, o, o.....I had to pay $4.09 for regular milk last night.....THAT'S TOO EXPENSIVE....I WANT GOVERNMENT DISTRIBUTION OF ALL FOOD BECAUSE I NEED TO FEED MY FAMILY.....WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN!

    Please Larry....as a leftist you achieve your moral superiority based on secular humanist impulse....an authority so less grand than The Truth that it is laughable....Along with your other godless mentors, Marx, Lenin and the rest of the leftist religious nuts, you selectively pass your moral judgements on other human beings while continuing to feed your selfish, narcissistic impulses.

    Again, your business?...Did you fly coach or 1st class? Where did you stay while in Europe?...A 1st class establishment? Who paid for your food, transportation, leisure activities? Did you have clients pay or did you pay for them? Did business occur 100% of the time whilst you were there for a month? What are you claiming as business expenses? Based on my experience, "business people" tend to claim expenses that had nothing to do with business and reap personally from the lax oversight our federal government has over such transactions....I would bet my house our little leftist, Larry, is guilty of such penny pinching schemes....but GUILTY NONE THE LESS OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE CAPITALIST, CLASSIST PERSECUTION OF THE WORKING PEOPLE!

    Please Larry, as a business man you HAVE NO CREDIBILITY discussing government takeover of ANYTHING unless you are of the opinion that all such capitalist schemas should be abandoned as the construct of human to human interaction. Just like the rest of the left....it is a scam....take away LIBERTY of people to function in public business to achieve some kind of contived moral goal is justified while they themselves continue feeding their own desires....again...your secular paradigm IS FLAWED HUMAN NATURE.

    I look forward with optimism to what ever the future brings, Larry. Whether I become a government employee or not, I know I can still make the person sitting in front of me feel better in healing them. However, the moral superiority the leftist elite in our country and you achieve in manipulating the system will be short lived and I get great satisfaction knowing that your totalitarian actions do nothing to dampen my soul and spirit in practicing what I love.

    I am gleeful to see what the future brings while your anger out of having to see a physician to properly diagnose your disease makes you envious of a structure with less liberty for all. Anytime liberty is confined it should be seriously and rationally evaluated. This is what my God based worldview demands in The Shema that reads at the end....treat your neighbor greater than yourself...or what secularists like to call, "the golden rule".....Liberty based on THAT rule is so much better than the anger-filled (I have to wait to see my doctor!), suspicious (you overcharge!) and class jealousy-filled (those corporations and doctors are too RICH!) worldview of the godless secularist...like you, Larry!

    Have a nice day and I look forward to your rebuttal....if you have a cogent one.

    Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy.
    That is news. If you want to get all worked up over Olbermann reporting it simply because he often reports on Rudy, that is up to you.
    It doesn't make the news less relevant.
    The part you included that I ignored is Joe calling Olbermann unethical, a joke, carrying out a vendetta, adolescent, etc...

    Does that need addressing?
    Joe doesn't like Olbermann or his style. I can respect that. It doesn't make the story irrelevant, and it doesn't make Olby's take on it wrong.

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 8, 2007 11:24 PM


    Actually, WK, the part of Joe's post that I included, in hopes that you would see that his point is not "don't bash Rudy", is still the part you seem to be missing.

    Joe explicitly stated-- "Heck, do an expose on Rudy one night, but to talk about Rudy every night?".

    Joe seems fine with doing more than just reporting the news about Rudy, who has endorsed him, etc... Joe goes as far as to say ""do an expose on Rudy", which I take to mean that he's saying serious analysis of Giuliani is certainly a part of journalism.

    Joe's point is that Olbermann goes beyond professionalism in his coverage of Giuliani. That he is actively campaigning against him and attempting to sway public opinion and thus influence "the news".

    It's a worthwhile point. It's not the job of a news anchor or a journalist to do the work of John McCain or Hillary Clinton by their opponent (Giuliani) a nightly topic that goes beyond reporting and analysis into something far more personal and politically driven-- targeting.

    Maureen Dowd and Frank Rich may be professional pundits who are also liberal democrats, but punditry isn't synonymous with "party hack". When it is, in the case of Olbermann, THAT merits criticism.

    Joe called THAT a "personal vendetta", "unethical", and "a joke". You saw those words and dismissed them as personal gripes that don't merit addressing, yet you defend that behavior in someone who is acting in a professional capacity and call it mere "style" and say that style shouldn't obscure the fact that Olbermann's feelings about Rudy could be more than mere emotion.

    Well, the same thing holds true for Joe and the relevant point he made that you so determinely missed by tuning out over his style.

    Have a nice day and I look forward to your rebuttal....if you have a cogent one.

    Posted by: cee at November 9, 2007 6:38 AM

    Good post, Cee.

    I'd like to ask you too when it occurred in this country that federal and state legislative oversight and codes as to who can and cannot prescribe prescription medication got to be an AMA plot to grease the way for pharmaceutical kickbacks, drug samples, and ink pens?... :D

    Joe's point is that Olbermann goes beyond professionalism in his coverage of Giuliani. That he is actively campaigning against him and attempting to sway public opinion and thus influence "the news".

    It's a worthwhile point. It's not the job of a news anchor or a journalist to do the work of John McCain or Hillary Clinton by their opponent (Giuliani) a nightly topic that goes beyond reporting and analysis into something far more personal and politically driven-- targeting.

    Well, the same thing holds true for Joe and the relevant point he made that you so determinely missed by tuning out over his style.

    Posted by: Cecelia at November 9, 2007 10:38 AM

    I understand what you and Joe are saying Cecelia. From what I understand Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy on the day that Olbermann reported it. Maybe he also bashed Rudy the day before, I honestly didn't watch that episode. Either way, was he supposed to not report the endorsement simply because some people are tired of his stance on Rudy? Not in my opinion.

    I agree that the extra 15 mins or so of Rudy bashing is tired and stale. I think if you expect anything different from CD you will be disappointed. That is his show.

    Anything on FoxNews.
    There is no more controlled environment on TV. They do usually offer one dissenting opinion, but they manipulate that person's airtime and shout him down to the point of making it irrelevant that he/she is even there. Not to mention that the person they get to represent the other side is usually so wacky and on the fringe that they might as well bring on a cartoon character. They usually do not have a very good spokesperson for the opposing view, just a nutty far-leftist.

    They are actually pretty slick about it, and they get a whole segment of like-minded viewers to act as if that represents something fair and balanced.

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 9, 2007 7:55 AM


    HEY WK!

    On O'Reilly last night he had a member of the Chicago Sun-Times Editorial Board on the show...they had a valid discussion in which they agreed to disagree, and there was no shouting. Also, you must be referring to NPR broadcasters, and democratic presidential advisors as the wacky fringe lefties they trot out

    As usual, Crackpot, you said not a damn thing except to hurl your usual "leftisit," "Marxist," secular slurs. Believe me, I am not in the least impressed by someone working 40-50 hours a week. I consider that a holiday.

    I assume that in your lengthy and shallow diatribe the fact that you did not mention pharmaceutical company/physician collusion means that you accept that as SOP, which, of course, it is.

    Your tunnel vision is amazing. I called not for a new system but for those in it to clean up a corrupt system. The fact that you purposefully read over that indicates to me that you accept the abuses.

    My goal is simple: provide high quality medical care to all. I'm sorry you find that so repugnant, but you're in the company of so many in your profession to believe that. If the current system can attain this goal, great, I am pleased. I have never seen any inclination on the part of the medical establishment to do so, and I see no movement in that direction.

    I cannot begin to tell you how sad I find it that you are happy with a system about to topple. You and you're colleagues are reaping what you sow.

    As for me, I am in transportation safety. Not ideal, but pretty benign.

    Not to mention that the person they get to represent the other side is usually so wacky and on the fringe that they might as well bring on a cartoon character. They usually do not have a very good spokesperson for the opposing view, just a nutty far-leftist.

    They are actually pretty slick about it, and they get a whole segment of like-minded viewers to act as if that represents something fair and balanced.

    Posted by: Wast of Keystrokes at November 9, 2007 7:55 AM

    The reason why the liberals brought on Fox News look like morons is because they are morons. Liberalism is a mental disorder. You can’t polish a turd. You say they bring on liberal loons, all liberals are loons. They do have some actual democrats on who have some brains like Christian Powers, Bob Beckle, and Alan Combs but trying to find an articulate member of Code Pink is like trying to find a unicorn.

    My goal is simple: provide high quality medical care to all. I'm sorry you find that so repugnant, but you're in the company of so many in your profession to believe that. If the current system can attain this goal, great, I am pleased. I have never seen any inclination on the part of the medical establishment to do so, and I see no movement in that direction.

    Posted by: Llarry at November 9, 2007 12:37 PM

    What evidence do you have that government can provide this? You have none. There is plenty of evidence that government can mess up health care and ration it.

    Did you notice Factor, how our dear leftist Larry never addressed the morality or the practicality of The United States government being the monoploistic manager of one of the biggest private enterprises in the world. It does not even occur to him because of his worldview that government control and less personal liberty is not a consideration if the object of his judgement is not just or equitable.

    He assumes cause/effect (just like the left's religious belief in human induced gloabal climate change) with regards to care quality and the use of private insurance companies vs. government programs (Medicare/Medicaid)....No empirical evidence shows the differences he claims.

    Cecelia's tounge in cheek was great....I just had lunch provided by a pharma company. I can assure Larry that there was no brainwashing accomplished with the warm chicken salad wrap and diet soda. But it was nice to hear some new information with regard to the current MRSA challenge.

    Like I questioned dear Larry....why is the medical community the only object of his desire for moral purity while his industry likely has lots of extra costs associated with benefit he and his collegues share....

    WORKERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!

    Crackpot and Clueless:

    Beyond any doubt you are 2 of the biggest hardheaded dumbass jerks I have ever read. I haven't any hope that this will seep through to your feeble, dried-out brains, but:

    I HAVE NOT SAID THAT I DESIRE GOVERNMENT-SPONSORED HEALTH CARE. WHAT I SAID WAS UNLESS THE MEDICAL CARE INDUSTRY BEGINS TO POLICE ITSELF THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET.

    Is there any chance you 2 ignorami understood that, yet? I doubt it.

    And, you 2 hardheaded dumbass jerks: there are many industries which need to police themselves or face government intervention. Petrochemical. Insurance (including, but not limited to health). Airlines. I could go on far a good long time, but why? You 2 hardheaded dumbass jerks just want to play some damn pantywaist game in which any form of self- improvement is seen as communistic and a threat, probably because you are incapable of improving yourselves.

    I realize that you, in particular, Crackpot, have this exalted view of your importance in the world. But, how dare you lecture anyone about personal liberty when you line up to embrace the ass of a president who has done more to curtail personal liberty in the US than any president since Grant. You don't want personal liberty for anyone, Crackpot, you just want to get rich off of providing substandard health care to people who can't get anything better. That is your idea of liberty.

    As for you, Factor, I don't necessarily think you have such an exalted view of your own self-importance. As stupid as you are, not even you could believe that.

    You 2 hardheaded dumbass jerks don't deserve the time of day. You do deserve my $0.02, and you can shove 'em where the sun don't shine. Of course, Crackpot, a/k/a the Sultan of Sodomy would probably enjoy that.

    Ah, the last refuge of the intellectually defeated, the personal insult. Llarry immediately changes the subject to Bush and his fictional "assault on personal liberties". How many liberties do we get to keep when the government starts to tell us that if we smoke, eat fast food, or do what ever they deem to be unhealthy, we lose or health coverage provided by the government?

    Government ovresight is one thing dear leftist Larry....wholesale government control which is advanced by your ruling class is a creation from a worldview that is not American. Like it or not, leftists want such evolution (I think it is devolution) from personal INDIVDUAL liberty.

    Your boiler plate claims that Bush has diminished personal liberty is not supported by the facts. That fear that habeas corpus has been removed or that my personal private conversations are at risk is absurd in light of events over the past 6 years. The President has done an excellent job keeping our country free from further attack since the failure of 9/11/01 which still rests on the shoulders of the previous administration....

    Yes....OH YES!....The adulterous sodomite's administration!

    You see, Larry....I have a sense of humor....I know it curds your milk when I mention the 42nd President in such stark and crude terms.

    You see, Larry....I have a sense of humor....I know it curds your milk when I mention the 42nd President in such stark and crude terms.

    Posted by: cee at November 9, 2007 3:48 PM


    Well, that's fun, Cee, but he's described his argument as being wholly general in order to characterize you as being so unreasonable as to not accept IT, that you need only tell him that existing laws should be enforced with maybe a bit of legislation for parenteral drugs given in physician's offices--- and send him home.

    Not at all Crackpot. You say so little of any value that it doesn't much matter what you say. And, when you speak of Clinton yourare so envious of his success and popularity, as opposed to your boy's numerous and maonumental failures and pathetic unpopularity, that the green reflecte from your eyes gives the entire penumbra around you a cheese mold hue.

    However, I have not argued for wholesale government control. And, if you think about it, Crackpot, why would I? What if, God forbid, we ever had another lazy, dumb, incompetent as president? After your boy is but a distant memory, except when I am working to pay off his immense debt he is bequeathing us all, the Supreme Court might well appoint another nincompoop. My trust for government is far, far less than yours, and it is diminishing daily. It is you who goes prostrate before the big "G", and I don't mean God.

    I might suggest you take some of your fraudulent, ill-gotten Medicare funds and take a trip to the new Europe. The differences between individual freedom, which is running rampant through the streets in Dublin, Aberdeen, London, Paris, Barcelona, Milano, Wien, Brussels, Rotterdam, Luxembourg City, Muenchen, Malmo, Copenhagen, Prague, Kracow, &c, and in Bangor, Perth-Amboy, Tupelo, Traverse City, Salina, Lawton, Provo, El Segundo, &c, in which we willingly surrender and submit to all sorts of indignities and intrustions and line up to hand over our individual freedoms to a cruel and greedy taskmaster in the White House are striking, indeed. And, please don't give me the habeas crap. You don't begin to understand it, and it is but ein Augenblick.

    More more rhetoric and platitudes from Llarry. You will make the ACLU proud with your foolishness.

    And, you the Friars' Club, or would it be the Fryers' Club, Chickenhawk Champion of the Junta?

    Llarry:

    1. "the streets in Dublin, Aberdeen, London, Paris, Barcelona, Milano, Wien, Brussels, Rotterdam, Luxembourg City, Muenchen, Malmo, Copenhagen, Prague, Kracow"-----
    This is obviously the European version of the Howard Dean itinerary. You forgot the YEEEE-HAW at the end, though.

    2. "individual freedom, which is running rampant through the streets in Dublin, Aberdeen, London,"-----
    And how do we know about these individual freedoms running amok? Well, in London, at least, you can observe them through the lens of the police cameras sitting atop the larger intersections.

    3. "in Bangor, Perth-Amboy, Tupelo, Traverse City, Salina, Lawton, Provo, El Segundo, &c,"
    Dude, you might want to find yourself a better US travel agent.

    I doubt he'd make the ACLU proud.

    What sort of anger makes you completely lose perspective enough to write THAT.

    For a reality check, here's an article from Slate that I read some time ago about wiretapping in Europe and you can read about public surveillance issues there too.

    Perhaps poor Capon must be setting off the alarms at every airport in the country. Who knows... It might be his piercings.

    I've no doubt he sets off the staff's mental alarms as well.

    But I doubt he even believes the crap he writes. It's more like some sort of leftist blogboard moose call. Leftists say certain things and the other leftists come out of the woods to stare and examine, stomp their feet, and trot sideways, in some mating dance.

    http://www.slate.com/id/2136147/

    Cecelia, great link to a very informative article.

    I was not aware that there was such a difference between the US and European countries in both law and public attitude toward the power of government.

    Grammie

    Cecelia, great link to a very informative article.

    I was not aware that there was such a difference between the US and European countries in both law and public attitude toward the power of government.

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 9, 2007 4:56 PM


    I don't know if you're aware of some of Canada's speech laws, but they are shocking to American sensibilities too, Grammie

    Cecelia, I'll look into it, thanks.

    Perhaps that freedom running rampant in the rest of the world is trying to build up a head of steam to break free from their shackles.

    I don't think Flucker is playing with a full deck. It is like he is on autopilot that churns out nonsensical statements as an excuse to insult people who disagree with him.

    Bobo/Why seems to have almost the same level and kind of anger in him, too.

    Grammie

    Bobo/Why seems to have almost the same level and kind of anger in him, too.

    Grammie
    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 9, 2007 5:10 PM

    I'll have to disagree with you there, Janet. Bobo gets the Most Likely To Die On A Forensics Unit Award here.

    Capon is just Patsy with a passport.

    ^ I believe you mean U-kneekorns.

    Fox News needs true leftists like Jello Biafra to debate, it would be no contest. Fox News has on moderates who claim to be "liberal".

    Wasted Keystokes and Trent are all in a dither. Yes, they admit, that Fox does in fact have lefty voices to respresnt opposing viewpoints, but the lefties are not as hard core as they would like, so therefore Fox news shows don't REALLY give the other side a chance to express their opinion, so Olbermann is no worse than Fox when he allows NO guests with opposing views.

    On O'Reilly last night he had a member of the Chicago Sun-Times Editorial Board on the show...they had a valid discussion in which they agreed to disagree, and there was no shouting. Also, you must be referring to NPR broadcasters, and democratic presidential advisors as the wacky fringe lefties they trot out

    Posted by: PoorBaby at November 9, 2007 12:07 PM

    Wow. Maybe I was wrong. Maybe my experience with watching FoxNews is all dreamed up in my head.

    Thanks PB. I take back everything I said or thought.

    The reason why the liberals brought on Fox News look like morons is because they are morons. Liberalism is a mental disorder. You can’t polish a turd. You say they bring on liberal loons, all liberals are loons. They do have some actual democrats on who have some brains like Christian Powers, Bob Beckle, and Alan Combs but trying to find an articulate member of Code Pink is like trying to find a unicorn.

    Posted by: The Factor at November 9, 2007 12:57 PM

    Beautifully written.
    Pulitzer-quality response.
    Well done. I'm more intelligent for having read your delightful prose.

    Ah, the last refuge of the intellectually defeated, the personal insult.

    Posted by: The Factor at November 9, 2007 3:45 PM

    SEE ALSO:

    The reason why the liberals brought on Fox News look like morons is because they are morons. Liberalism is a mental disorder. You can’t polish a turd. You say they bring on liberal loons, all liberals are loons.

    Posted by: The Factor at November 9, 2007 12:57 PM

    I and all people on here that disagree with you accept your addmission of intellectual defeat.

    The President has done an excellent job keeping our country free from further attack since the failure of 9/11/01 which still rests on the shoulders of the previous administration....

    Posted by: cee at November 9, 2007 3:48 PM

    I love how this is stated as if it is a fact.
    Like Mr. Shithead wasn't in office for over 8 months when we were attacked.

    More evidence of some of the Bushies not holding their idols accountable for their failures.

    ha ha ha...You think these people like to bother with facts? Oh well, cee gets an A for effort.

    "Pat Robertson endorsed Rudy.
    That is news. If you want to get all worked up over Olbermann reporting it simply because he often reports on Rudy, that is up to you.
    It doesn't make the news less relevant.
    The part you included that I ignored is Joe calling Olbermann unethical, a joke, carrying out a vendetta, adolescent, etc...

    Does that need addressing?
    Joe doesn't like Olbermann or his style. I can respect that. It doesn't make the story irrelevant, and it doesn't make Olby's take on it wrong."

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes


    We can go back forth all day on what we think is relvent/irrelevent and right/wrong

    Wasted Keystrokes If you call what Keith does reporting on Rudy then you are not looking at it objectively. It seems as if he has a personal thing against Rudy and frankly if we hear about it every night then Keith should be called out on it.
    Like I said, Robertson endorsing Rudy is news but to spend 15 minutes on it is irrelevant and wrong.

    Look at how CNN and Fox reported it. They took the angle of how will it effect the elections.
    While Keith took it as another opportunity to low blow and cheap shot Rudy. And have no opposing view point, but yet he never does.

    It's funny when Pat Robertson says something nutty people ignore it but when he endorse Rudy it's "relevant". Call me when the AFL-CIO, DOL, Carmen Electra and Stan Lee endorse Rudy.

    Wasted Keystokes and Trent are all in a dither. Yes, they admit, that Fox does in fact have lefty voices to respresnt opposing viewpoints, but the lefties are not as hard core as they would like, so therefore Fox news shows don't REALLY give the other side a chance to express their opinion, so Olbermann is no worse than Fox when he allows NO guests with opposing views.

    Posted by: at November 9, 2007 7:11 PM

    Its not that the lefties aren't as hard core, its that they are usually nuts that at times are TOO hard core.
    The ones that make sense and hand Hannity and O'Reilly their lunch are ganged up on or shouted down.
    C'mon, this isn't evident to you?
    I guess I understand. If I believed what you believe maybe I'd watch that shit too. Its nice to feel like you're "winning".

    BTW, is there a more feeble geek than Colmes? Do you think that its an accident that they pit him against Hannity?

    A Giuliani presidency looks like it could be a mirror image to the Bush presidency with its cronyism, corruption and incompetence.

    Posted by: Why don't you think at November 9, 2007 7:51 PM

    Ya, but Rudy seems TOUGH!!!

    Wasted Keystrokes If you call what Keith does reporting on Rudy then you are not looking at it objectively.

    Like I said, Robertson endorsing Rudy is news but to spend 15 minutes on it is irrelevant and wrong.

    It's funny when Pat Robertson says something nutty people ignore it but when he endorse Rudy it's "relevant". Call me when the AFL-CIO, DOL, Carmen Electra and Stan Lee endorse Rudy.

    Posted by: at November 9, 2007 8:30 PM

    I call Olbermann reporting Pat endorsing Rudy NEWS. I also said 15 mins of it in a one hour show is tedious and stale.
    I'm not speaking about the history of KO reporting on Rudy, just the endorsement.

    As for people ignoring Pat when he says something "nutty", I only partially agree.
    MOST people ignore the man, but not all. There are still quite a few backwards folks who listen to this knucklehead, and this endorsement would mean something to them.
    If you think that the millions of Pat's Christian Coalition, 700 club fans, and family values crowd potentially endorsing Rudy isn't newsworthy I will disagree.
    I will disagree on a few levels.

    1. We've seen how important those votes can be in a national election.
    2. The hypocrisy of them endorsing a candidate who diametrically opposes their core social beliefs is huge. Especially since they often "get the vote out" on the strength of these issues alone.
    3. It has been proven in past elections that they are quite good at doing as they are told and voting for whom they are told.

    Just think of what would happen if Ahmadinejad endorsed Hillary. Do you think FoxNews would report on it?

    I can't call Pat endorsing Rudy big "NEWS" because as much as Rudy was a excellent mayor I can't see him being president. And it's going to take a lot more then Pat's endorsement for Rudy to win.
    And as far as the "hypocrisy of the endorsement" come on WK we know how these endorsements work.
    Pat and Rudy found a common ground and lets just say Pat's endorsement won't come cheap.

    Please don't compare nutty Pat with a dangerous Ahmadinejad.

    Ahmadinejad will never endorse Hillary because she is a female and Hillary will reject it.

    Please don't compare nutty Pat with a dangerous Ahmadinejad.

    Ahmadinejad will never endorse Hillary because she is a female and Hillary will reject it.

    Posted by: Joe at November 9, 2007 9:48 PM

    Honestly, the Ahmadinejad thing was just for shock value. I know it is totally unrealistic.
    I was just trying to think of the person the RW would have the biggest party with.

    What a wonderful discussion about civil liberties throughout the world by two of the most informed and foremost civil libertarians in the world! Thank you so much, Bag and Hag. What I find truly amazing is that you found it unnecessary to deal with such issues as intergovernmental privacy protection, wrongful conviction rates, economically disproportionate incarceration rates, investigative transperancy, information access, diversity of opinion including opinion critical of ruling administrations in journals and broadcast media and a few other matters. But, I suppose a dusty article from an on-line journal covers all the issues you two (2) Einsteins can absorb. Thanks again for narrowing the issues so so that we are all reduced to our lowest common denominators, Bag and Hag.

    Why am I not surprised philby would defend the rights of an 11 yr old girl obtaining birth control pills w/out the parents knowledge?

    Apropos of our earlier discussion I just came across this at LGF:

    "The full story is at The Daily Mail: British Muslim woman convicted of penning poems about beheadings."

    http://www.littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

    "An airport worker who wrote poems about beheadings is the first woman to be found guilty under new terror laws.

    Samina Malik, who liked to call herself a "lyrical terrorist", called for attacks on the West and described "poisoned bullets" capable of killing an entire street in her poetry.

    The 23-year-old Muslim wrote of her desire to become a martyr and listed her favourite videos as the "beheading ones". "

    She will be sentenced to a prison term the magistrate said. Just owning material that COULD be used by terrorists is a prison term offense under England's terrorism's laws.

    I sure wish we had those".....individual freedom, which is running rampant through the streets in Dublin, Aberdeen, London......" instead of jackbooted near invisible GWB fascism pinning us down.

    Grammie

    Thanks again for narrowing the issues so so that we are all reduced to our lowest common denominators, Bag and Hag.
    Posted by: Llarry at November 9, 2007 10:59 PM


    Well, thank you for expanding those issues out to where they encompass decades rather than the past eight years, and when specific to the Bush presidency, refer to those issues that have been won in court rulings or are unbacked charges.

    Now we know all your sturm und drang isn't about freedom breaking out in the streets of Dublin... (WOW!).. as opposed to Amerika. This is about your need to characterize things as badly as possible...to the extent that you sound like the sort of agitprop found in a North Korean news article... because you hate us. THAT hatred is mostly underpinned by your need to portray yourself as being better than someone.

    We're glad to fill that role for you, Clucker/Anonymous/Rudy Ramirez/Mrs. Guy Philby/Jennifer/Llarry. Keep typing. You may change names but you can't hide who you really are.

    Why am I not surprised that you are against someone having rights !

    Posted by: at November 10, 2007 12:37 AM


    Why am I not surprised you're a flaming coward?

    Why am I not surprised you're a flaming coward?

    --------

    Way to go Dipshit! The nation's biggest Chickenhawk Pantywaist, constantly running to hide under the Nasty Old Bag's skirts. What unmitigated gall.

    Thank you, How About. One tries to warn the clueless nitwits on this site about the economy, but all they seem interested in is such vitally important topics as which cable news network has the most Spears-Lohan news. The worsening dollar is vitally, important, but you'd never know it by listening to these morons bluster and bleat about nonsense.

    ". . . but all they seem interested in is such vitally important topics as which cable news network has the most Spears-Lohan news."

    Posted by: Llarry at November 10, 2007 6:50 PM


    Actually, Llarry the real issue here involves quite a bit more than "Spears/Lohan news". The question for honest leftists (which would probably exclude you Llarry) who enjoy Olbermann's biased presentation of the news is this: Is it worth the trade-off to finally have a highly visible cable host getting out the message for the political left on the one hand while realizing that the same highly visible host has significant issues with telling lies, falsely and dishonorably smearing those who disagree with him and making himself unavailable to defend his highly partisan left fringe positions?

    Is this trade-off worth it for you? If you are a leftist, are you happy that Olbermann, as disreputable and dishonest as he has been shown to be, is bringing more attention to issues from the viewpoint of the exteme left? Do you think, in the long run, when Olbermann is actually forced to directly confront opposing views and is shown for the empty suit he truly is, that Olbermann will end up hurting the cause of the political left or is it worth it in the short term to hear someone who thinks like you do?

    This is interesting stuff regarding human behavioral priorities, but if you don't like it you don't have to stay.

    A drug addicted 'comedian.' Now, there's some insight!

    Which drug is he not addicted to is the more appropriate question.

    Wait wait wait.....Somebody actually supports Thompson?

    Wasn't 'Trent' on Mike's long list of aliases that Johnny posted a while back?

    Wasn't 'Trent' on Mike's long list of aliases that Johnny posted a while back?

    Posted by: at November 11, 2007 11:24 PM

    Nope.

    I think I pretty much use the same name, most of the time. Sometimes I forget to type my name.

    surprise. It speaks volumes about Bovine's intelligence, rather, lack of it.

    LOL!

    why doesn't think or know that Veterans Day is not about protesting. Therefore, he doesn't understand. Thank God they didn't allow those 3 or 4 embarrassments protest.

    They're veterans and they should be able to exercise the freedoms they fought for.

    Carlin has openly admitted he was a drug addict, you dumbass. Get lost.

    Seriously, who cares?

    'why' probably thinks Keith Richards doesn't take drugs, either. Cuckoo!

    "Seriously, who cares?
    Posted by: Trent at November 12, 2007 1:29 PM "

    Bobo cares!

    Grammie

    Instead of getting worked up over a comedians past drug use, what about our president?

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    Does anyone find it odd that a group of people who get soused on hootch every night of every week of every month of every year get so worked up about rock stars and psychedlic comedians possibly using drugs? That's like Rudy Guiliani critcizing Country Music stars for getting so many divorces.

    Posted by: Anonymous at November 12, 2007 1:54 PM


    Great! So everyone here is a drunk, including the genius who first quoted the psychedelic comedian and those who subsequently defended him.

    I hope you all brought your OWN bottles... :D

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    Instead of getting worked up over a comedians past drug use, what about our president?

    Posted by: Trent at November 12, 2007 1:43 PM

    Like his Orange Hero, evidence is irrelevant to Trent. He simply logs on to sites like Truthout (you know, the guys who brought us the "impending indcitments" against Karll Rove) and falls for their propaganda as if it were fact. This is the same delusional Trent who says that Olbermann is known for "reporting" the news. Of course, to reach this conclusion, Trent ignores Olbermann's lies found here with plenty left over:

    http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2006/12/keith_olbermann_2.php


    "Someone please explain to me why Jeff is soooooo concerned about the drug habits of anyone to the left of Ann Coulter...but has never even mentioned Rush Limpballs drug addition."

    Cmon, do you HONESTLY think Jeff is ever going to address this? He just loves calling OTHERS hypocrites while ignoring his own hypocrisy.


    Loons, I don't defend or listen to Rush.

    ------'mike,' just because Rush was caught with pills doesn't make ME a hypocrite. Nice, I mean, weak try, though.

    "but has never even mentioned Rush Limpballs drug addiction."

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 13, 2007 8:44 PM

    -----The above is a classic olbyloon diversion. Thanks, 'why!' Nice retort.

    I post carlin admitting 30 yrs of drug use and 'why' thinks I'm 'blown out of the water.'

    [-] Too damn funny!

    "RK probably thinks Dean Martin was a drunk."

    And he probably think his hero, the president wasn't.

    Plus he could have smoked a joint a day...for 60 years...would that make him a drug addict?

    posted by why


    Uhhhh, yes. By any standards.

    'why,' just so I can get this on record, are you saying that if someone smoked a joint a day for 60 yrs. they AREN'T a drug addict?

    A coward, just as aI thought.

    "A coward, just as aI thought."

    Gwon Jeff, show us you're 'bravery'. Show us what qualifies YOU to call ANYONE else a "coward"?

    I post carlin admitting 30 yrs of drug use
    Posted by: royal king at November 13, 2007 9:40 PM

    The world awaits this post.

    Posted by: RK's conscience at November 14, 2007 10:26 AM

    Will an online biography about Carlin almost flaming out over cocaine use in the '70s and going into rehab for Rx pain killers and alcohol in '04 and admitting in a Playboy interview to using marijuana and being a "stonehead for 30 years", as well as saying "I'd say to myself, "Man, you've been high for fucking 30 years and you don't want to be high anymore." and "I did LSD and peyote in the late Sixties, before I got into cocaine" do?

    Cecelia, 'why' thinks that smoking a joint every day for 60 yrs doesn't fall into the 'addict' category. See above. All of the evidence in the world won't change 'whys' mind about Carlin. I wonder if he ('why') was one of the OJ murder trial jurors? Fits the profile.

    Cecelia, 'why' thinks that smoking a joint every day for 60 yrs doesn't fall into the 'addict' category. See above. All of the evidence in the world won't change 'whys' mind about Carlin. I wonder if he ('why') was one of the OJ murder trial jurors? Fits the profile.

    Posted by: royal king at November 14, 2007 1:15 PM

    Oh, that's bunk. Does WDYT think the same disease process of addiction that worked in Carlin in '04 wasn't at play in Carlin in the 60's or when he was a "stonehead" on pot for "30 years"?

    Does he think alcoholics and pill addicts can use marijuana....or alcohol ... or pain pills... in the way that someone without the disease of addiction can use them?

    Probably. The stonehead is dumb as a shoe.

    'why,' just so I can get this on record, are you saying that if someone smoked a joint a day for 60 yrs. they AREN'T a drug addict?

    Posted by: royal king at November 14, 2007 12:37 AM


    Notice when 'why' is proven wrong he won't respond? Too damn funny! (*)_;;;;;;----:)

    If that is the case, why then haven't the millions of people who still smoke pot on a regular basis ( and have for years) graduated to harder drugs.


    posted by patsy/why

    A good percentage of them have graduated to harder drugs. You are proof, positive.

    Just a few words from George Carlin's mouth from:

    http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/1521/carlin_playboy1.html


    "CARLIN: I've just now completed a five-year period that can perhaps best be called a breathing spell. A time of getting my health back and gathering my strength. That time also included incredible cocaine abuse, a heart attack, and my wife's recovery from both alcoholism and cocaine abuse."


    "CARLIN: Oh, I was a stonehead for 30 years. I'd wake up in the morning and if I couldn't decide whether I wanted to smoke a joint or not, I'd smoke a joint to figure it out. And I stayed high all day long. When people asked me, "Do you get high to go onstage?" I could never understand the question. I mean, I'd been high since eight that morning. Going onstage had nothing to do with it."


    "CARLIN: I did LSD and peyote in the late Sixties, before I got into cocaine. That was concurrent with my change from a straight comic to the album and counterculture period, and those drugs served their purpose. They helped open me up. You know, if a drug has anything going for it at all, it should be self-limiting. It should tell you when you've had enough. Acid and peyote were that way for me. Cocaine was different. It kept saying, "You haven't had enough." I became an abuser almost instantly."

    "CARLIN: I'd go on runs, four and five days without sleep. Then I'd crash and sleep about 18 hours a day for seven to ten days. Then it would take a few more weeks to get over a vague sort of depression. Then I'd be off on another run.

    PLAYBOY: How did those runs start?

    CARLIN: They began the moment I scored. I'd take a few hits at the guy's house. Then I'd take a few more hits. Then I'd put it away. But before I left his house, I'd take some more hits. And when I'd get in my car, before backing out of the driveway, I'd open it up again and take a few more hits. Then, while driving home, I'd somehow contrive to stop and go to the bathroom and take a few more hits. Later on, when it got really ridiculous, I used to snort in traffic.

    PLAYBOY: While the car was moving?

    CARLIN: Yeah. And the moment I copped, I immediately wrote off that night's sleep, because it was a foregone conclusion that I was not going to put half a gram away at midnight. And I never took reds or Quääludes to balance out the coke. So when it got to be four in the morning and the gram was three quarters gone, I'd start wishing it was nine o'clock and hoping the guy got up early. But, of course, he didn't sleep either, so there was no sweat. During all those years, I was always looking forward to the next snort or the next guy I could score from."

    I would say that one could draw a reasonable inference from this that George Carlin was stoned for at least half his life. His last rehab was for wine and prescription pain killers.

    Although he says that marijuana was a break even proposition for him because he didn't think he would have survived without being perpetually stoned it is just as possible that he indulging in self justification.

    Grammie

    The gateway theory has not been proven or unproven. Based on:

    http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB6010/index1.html

    "Support for the Gateway Effect

    Although marijuana has never been shown to have a gateway effect, three drug initiation facts support the notion that marijuana use raises the risk of hard-drug use:

    * Marijuana users are many times more likely than nonusers to progress to hard-drug use.

    * Almost all who have used both marijuana and hard drugs used marijuana first.

    * The greater the frequency of marijuana use, the greater the likelihood of using hard drugs later. "

    "The DPRC research team examined the drug use patterns reported by more than 58,000 U.S. residents between the ages of 12 and 25 who participated in the National Household Surveys on Drug Abuse (NHSDA) conducted between 1982 and 1994.[1] Using a statistical model, the researchers tested whether the observed patterns of drug use initiation might be expected if drug initiation risks were determined exclusively by

    * when youths had a first opportunity to use each drug

    * individuals' drug use propensity, which was assumed to be normally distributed[2] in the population

    * chance (or random) factors.

    To put it another way, the researchers addressed the question: Could the drug initiation facts listed in the first section of this brief be explained without recourse to a marijuana gateway effect?

    RB6010fig1

    Figure 1—Probabilities of Initiating Hard Drugs, Marijuana Users and Nonusers
    The research team found that these associations could be explained without any gateway effects:"

    "The new DPRC research thus demonstrates that the phenomena supporting claims that marijuana is a gateway drug also support the alternative explanation: that it is not marijuana use but individuals' opportunities and unique propensities to use drugs that determine their risk of initiating hard drugs. The research does not disprove the gateway theory; it merely shows that another explanation is plausible."

    You pays your money and takes your choice.

    Grammie

    'why' is not gonna be happy, debunked again. Not that he was a happy guy to begin with........

    WK, what is your position on drugs other than pot?

    Grammie

    His position? I doubt he would turn down any kind of drug, like most olbyloons.

    Come on Chicken Blogger, there is no need to be gratuitously combative as our dear left wing loons are so frequently. :)

    WK, my question was meant straightforwardly.

    What is your position on drugs other than pot?

    Grammie

    Only dopes use dope.

    Since Wasted Keystrokes seems to have bailed out on this discussion I do believe that you nailed it @ 5:39 with this:

    "Only dopes use dope."

    Why do you think WK bailed out?

    Could it be because he is a dope who uses dope and his attention span is so constricted that he fades in and out based on his intake?

    My question is still open Wasted Keystrokes.

    "What is your position on drugs other than pot?"

    Grammie

    Plus he could have smoked a joint a day...for 60 years...would that make him a drug addict?

    Again..you have no proof Carlin was ever a drug addict..and certainly not one today...which is where this whole bullshit statement of yours started.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    "CARLIN: Oh, I was a stonehead for 30 years."


    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 13, 2007 9:48 PM


    Chicken, the proof is in the man's own words.

    CARLIN: Yeah. And the moment I copped, I immediately wrote off that night's sleep, because it was a foregone conclusion that I was not going to put half a gram away at midnight. And I never took reds or Quääludes to balance out the coke. So when it got to be four in the morning and the gram was three quarters gone, I'd start wishing it was nine o'clock and hoping the guy got up early. But, of course, he didn't sleep either, so there was no sweat. During all those years, I was always looking forward to the next snort or the next guy I could score from."

    Let me repeat and high light his OWN words in CAPS.

    DURING ALL THOSE YEARS, I WAS ALWAYS LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT SNORT OR THE NEXT GUY I COULD SCORE FROM.

    Facts are facts whoever finds and cites them.

    Do you disagree on this point?

    Grammie

    Bobo, are you there?

    What! No comment or rebuttal?

    Grammie

    So obviously you think marijuana is a gateway drug. If that is the case, why then haven't the millions of people who still smoke pot on a regular basis ( and have for years) graduated to harder drugs.

    Stick to complaining about who posts under which name. When you step outside of that arena, you fall flat on your face.


    Posted by: social worker at November 14, 2007 3:09 PM


    It has nothing to do with a "gateway drug".

    Obviously you didn't read this statement I made , bozo.

    "Does he think alcoholics and pill addicts can use marijuana....or alcohol ... or pain pills... in the way that someone without the disease of addiction can use them?"

    Carlin says he has the disease of addiction. He's in recovery but he's still an addict because there is no cure.

    It is a genetic disease. The same disease that he was treated for '04, is the same disease that was in play when he was smoking pot everyday in the 60's.

    And you call yourself a "social worker". You must have the same alma mater as WDYT...

    'Why' was correct and you were wrong RK.You needed someone else to find this info for you.What? Didn't have it on Savage's site ?

    Posted by: at November 16, 2007 1:23 AM


    Anonyloon logic. I wouldn't put a name to that crap, either.

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