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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    November 16, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - November 16, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • PRES. BUSH VS. CONGRESS: Richard Wolffe, Newsweek chief White House correspondent and MSNBC political analyst; Eugene Robinson, The Washington Post
    • THE LATEST ON FOX NEWS AND RUDY GIULIANI: Arianna Huffington, huffingtonpost.com founder
    • DEMOCRATIC DEBATE ANALYSIS: Joan Walsh, salon.com

    It's an end of the week speil: Using troops as blackmail! Fox and O'Reilly again! Hillary! Barry Bonds! Lindsay Lohan! O'Reilly yet again! Sigh. Why couldn't Oralmann have taken today off? No matter, any time we catch Olby in a massive display of hypocrisy and revisionist history, it's time well spent. And we did it today! It's casual Friday at Olbermann Watch.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #5: True Democratic backbone on Iraq. (What, Fox isn't the lead story tonight? How'd that happen?) A good opportunity to play that NBC News report about how the surge is working. Oops, didn't make the cut. The Wolffeman, who is on so often he should get a co-host credit, did his usual simpering paraphrases of OlbySpin. Great Thanks.

    Ridicule of Laura Bush's librarian program. "Mister" Bush's war. "Mister" Bush is hypocritical. "Mister" Bush is "psychotic". (See "projection".) Lefty Robinson explained Republican philosophy. Yeah. "Creeping fascism". Great thanks.

    After Fixed News [Ding!] we got #4: Giuliaini/Fox "scandal"![Ding!] Olbermoronn bellowed that Mitt Romney "led a walkout" from a proposed Fox debate in Iowa (Another Olbermann Lie: the only candidate who had agreed to participate in the first place was Huckabee) and tried to tie it to the Giuliani lawsuit (AOL: it had nothing to do with it). The "wheels are coming off" [Ding!] for Giuliani. Rudy is "often" on Fox because he had 21 appearances there. What did Edward R Liar not mention? At least four other candidates had more Fox appearances than Giuliani did! Oops, can't let that slip out. Then it was on to the latest Krazy Keith Konspiracy: Fox used Bill O'Reilly to attack Judith Reagan because O'Reilly spoke out against the OJ Simpson book. He was "vicious", said Oralmann.

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    Stop the tivo! OLBYPOCRISY ALERT!! We have Keith Olbermann on tape bragging about how strongly he spoke against this book deal, and further complaining that O'Reilly was a coward for not speaking out against it enough. Now Merkle does a complete 180 and rewrites his own history! Now the OlbyPlanet Party Line is that Mr Bill went so overboard about the OJ book that he was "vicious" and carrying out some secret hit on Regan? Sorry Olby, you've been caught again and revealed as the hypocritical liar that you are. Why does anyone give a slovenly political hack like Monkeymann any credibility whatsoever?

    Zsa Zsa claimed, like Olby with absolutely no evidence (in other words, they made it up), that Romney wouldn't debate on Fox in Iowa because of the alleged Giuliani connection. Andrea Mackris! [Ding!] Great thanks.

    Then another O'Reilly attack: Bill criticized the movie "Redacted", but Fox ran ads for it during his commercials. That shows the "channel's hypocrisy" and reveals that O'Reilly is a "big fat flaming fraud". No Keith, you ignorant thumbtack. Maybe at MSLSD the drivel you mouth is dictated by the official position of MSLSD. But Fox is a channel that allows more than one opinion. O'Reilly's view of a movie is his view, not that of the channel itself or its sales department who accepted the ads. There are all sorts of views on Fox--admittedly a novel concept to someone who resides on OlbyPlanet but nonetheless true. And it is metaphysically impossible for every one of those views to be the views of FNC, because they all differ. So the "hypocrisy" you cite is all in your feeble little Kossified brain. If only you had allowed it to stay there.

    #3: Democrats debate: Hillary was straightforward, Obama was flummoxed. That's a shocker. Hillary keeps improving. Hillary keeps getting better! Oralmann, get your head out of there! Lefty Alter was there to pile on the Hillary praise. Another shocker. Great thanks.

    #2: Lindsay Lohan, Britney Spears. #1: Barry Bonds. In the Media Matters Minute, it was a marvelous trifecta of dripping venom against Fox: Oliver North, Sean Hannity (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters), Bill O'Reilly (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters). More smears direct from Brock's website to Merkle's teleprompter. Somebody tell Chuck Todd.

    Keith Limpermann

    If it's Friday, it's our weekly assessment of Krazy Keith's masculinity. This week Monkeymann attacked Fox and other broadcasters 38 times. Olby's source (Hillary Clinton's Media Matters) criticized (MS)NBC 8 times, but Keithy protected his corporate masters with zero criticisms. That makes this week's Olbermann Manhood Quotient: -76 [pantywaist limp].

    MisterMeter

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name is #45,750 on amazon, while "Culture Warrior" is #4,920. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) Barnes & Noble has the OlbyTome down to #118,045; O'Reilly's book is #2,383 there. On the battle of the papersbacks: Amazon lists Culture Warrior at #474, while the paperback of Oralmann's book is a mighty #38,083. Guffaw! On Thursday the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann sunk all the way down to fourth place both in total viewers and in the coveted, pivotal, much-beloved, critical, all-important "key demo". Hey, how's your latest jihad against Fox working out for you, Bathtub Boy? Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 4 [GUARDED]


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (297) | | View blog reactions

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    Does anyone think OlberLimp actually believes this Fox/Rudy/Regan/OJ conspiracy? or is he just keeping the rest of the Loons happy?

    Olby screwed up with O'Reilly's "WPITW". Time isn't dated since Christ's death, but his believed birth. Dumbass.

    Olby hangs out with Islamofascist sympathizers. He wouldn't understand the Christian connection with time or the Gregorian calendar.

    I wonder what KO will do with his favorite obsession now that he's out for the next week.

    Keith just criticized Bill O'Reilly for being mistaken on Bill's date for the Book Of Revelation being 5000 years ago. Keith didn't get the date right either. According to a learned religious scholar teaching at the University of Texas, "The Book of Revelation was written sometime around 96 CE in Asia Minor. The author was probably a
    Christian from Ephesus known as "John the Elder."
    (96 CE is the pc equivalent to 96 AD for those of us that do believe in god.)

    How is Fox "supporting" Redacted when they're taking money FROM the movie's producers? Isn't that what advertising does? They pay Fox? Maybe Olby doesn't get the business end of broadcasting. Fox walks away with the cash.

    > And stumbles on its face in the integrity dept.

    Man, a statement of towering stupidity. Are you saying Fox should only accept ads that Bill O'Reilly likes? And MSNBC should only accept ads that Keithy likes? Or Dan Abrams? Are you really so ignorant as to believe that words of one person on a channel dictate the corporate positions of his employer? If you do, you just might be an Olbypologist.

    The Democratic debate was a total sham. Obamanation fumbled the question on illegal immigration on purpose. This debate was designed to rehabilitate Hillary's drowning campaign. Mission Accomplished. The audience was stacked with Clinton supporters from the Nevada Democratic Party. They were told to boo the other candidates. Joe Biden and the other two fools didn't even speak. CNN did Clintons heavy lifting. This was a farce and the Democratic presidential candidate has been chosen by CNN and the Democratic Party. So much for voting if you are a democrat. March on zombies, march on.

    > Maybe Olby doesn't get the business end of broadcasting.

    He gets it all right. He just lies about it when it gives him a chance to smear O'Reilly with another lie. By the way, I can remember the days when ads for Don Imus appeared regularly on Countdown. Oops, Olby didn't mention that either.

    Is it just me or does this Judith Regan lawsuit have a surreal feel to it to anyone else?

    Grammie

    Of course they ran the ad on FNC. Olby doesn't have the demo numbers to justify buying time on MSNBC.

    By the way, I can remember the days when ads for Don Imus appeared regularly on Countdown. Oops, Olby didn't mention that either.

    Posted by: johnny dollar at November 16, 2007 10:53 PM


    I have a feeling Imus will remember when he goes back on the air..........At least, I hope he remembers.

    Only at the Olbermann Watch.


    Posted by: at November 16, 2007 10:24 PM


    Thanks, patsy!

    > Oh, J$. Political hack to the end. It's the AMOUNT OF MINUTES ALLOWED TO THE CANDIDATES. Simple, yes yes?

    Hey, political hack, Olby said NOTHING about total minutes. He said NUMBER OF APPEARANCES. I guess that makes Olby the hack. Since he talked about 21 Rudy appearances WITHOUT MENTIONING that four other candidates appeared MORE than Rudy. Why are you bringing up total minutes, something Olby NEVER mentioned? Could it be that you are a political hack, or perhaps an Olbypolgist?

    > Republicans get softballs and Democrats get attacked with "Did you stop hitting your wife" questions.

    More lies, but you already embarrassed yourself so nobody will care.

    > Olbermann has more acculumative credibility than all those jokers combined.

    Sure, like when he called out O'Reilly for being a coward because he didn't attack the OJ Book deal. Oh wait, that was before he flip-flopped and decided that O'Reilly was "vicious" because he attacked the OJ deal too much. That's the kind of "credibility" Olberliar has, and it rubs off on every Olbypologist.

    Whoops, Killer Kornered. Can't think up an answer. Quick, change the subject. So tell me more about how Olbermann is a political hack because he didn't talk about total minutes.

    Its just that I wish him a bloody stooled existence. Maybe we can set him up as somebody's wife in Pelican Bay

    If you're saying you rank Olbermann's credibility right alongside of Fox (based on your doctored quotes), you are entitled to your opinion. That certainly seems to be what you are saying. In that case you can stop coming here and defending the indefensible Olbermoronn because you regard him as no better than Fox.

    "Why does anyone give a slovenly political hack like Monkeymann any credibility whatsoever?" J$

    This question will be asked for thousands of yrs, if not more......

    I mean, how funny would that be. Keith tied to a bed frame with his underwear around his ankles while some Nation of Islam murderer makes him finally see the irony of it all.

    I mean tell me that wouldn't be funny!! Keith sodomized. Its not rape until they run out of butter.

    sorry, did I say that out loud?

    So Keith is assuming that Romey is getting out of the Fox debate because Fox is in love with Rudy?
    He made this accusation and provided no proof. Good going Keith.

    Keith is defending Judith Reagan? The same lady who wanted to put out the OJ book?
    Wow Keith is sinking to a new low.

    Why is this Judith Reagan's story still in the news on his show when nothing new has happened since the story first broke?

    Keith is claiming Fox News is phony for running an Ad for the movie redacted.
    I think it's a bit funny too but Fox what is saying they don't like the movie but still respect freedom of speech.
    If a channel bans everything they don't like from their airwaves it's censorship.
    I guess you dammed if you do and you're dammed if you don't.

    How can Barry Bonds not be the worst person in world?
    Unless Keith the clown uses his show for personnel assaults on people he doesn't agree with?
    No that can't be Keith, he is a professional unbiased serious news anchor. riiiight

    Sorry Wasted Keystrokes but whoever this contemptible little p***K Jim McCool is does not seem to belong to either side.

    On the thread Countdown Nov 14 he had this to say:

    "You guys are doing a wonderful job explaining Mr Olbermann's bias. That degree of objectivity is clearly lacking in today's journalism. Hopefully he will contract colon and testicular cancer. :-)
    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 15, 2007 9:11 PM ".

    Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions before you have all the facts.

    Grammie

    Glenn Beck, Jon Gibson, Neil Cavuto, Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Brit Hume, Fred Barnes (Beltway Boys), Steve Doocy, Brian Kilmeade, Martha McCollough, Lou Dobbs...

    Name one even close to Olbermann. And Olbermann has more acculumative credibility than all those jokers combined.

    Posted by: Republican Killa at November 16, 2007 11:12 PM


    Notify the press, I think we found Baghdad Bob!

    Killa, you have violated a key rule around here in cutting and pasting huge, off-topic paragraphs from another site without permission (probably Hillary Clinton's Media Matters or some other dubious source). So they will be deleted. If you wish to repost a LINK to where you lifted your stuff from then feel free. Then if anyone wants to read it they can. (By the way, I spotted one outright lie in that huge block of phony Gibson quotes; I only spent 30 seconds on it so there may be more.)

    I guess I was right. You are equating olbermann with Sean Hannity and John Gibson. So what's your problem with this site?

    "First off, there is a strong hint of satire to the segment. Second, what do you call what O'Reilly does everyday? Didn't he want to strangle people or some shit? I also heard that he's afraid to look in Keith's direction at industry parties. What a tough guy."

    Posted by: Republican Killa

    Strong hint of satire?
    I think the whole show is satire and belongs on comedy central.

    O'Reilly does the same thing has Obermann does except less of it, has opposing view points and even reads his own hate mail.

    Bill is afraid to fight Keith?
    Well at there age hopefully they're mature enough to have a debate one day.
    That would improve Keith's ratings, or maybe not?

    It is a tribute to the success of this site, and a blight on Olbermann's tattered reputation, that even the Olbypologists can't defend him. Flip flop 180 degrees on something O'Reilly said? No one defends it. Lie about a nonexistent Romney walkout on a debate, and make up a reason fror it out of thin air? No one defends it. A wholly one-sided presentation on a par with Radio North Korea? Quick, change the subject to Gibson and steer the talk away from how Olbermann has been exposed again as a hypocritical fraud.

    I'm sorely tempted to start controlling content on these comment threads. This is Olbermann Watch, and people who are acting like this is a cut-and-paste smorgasboard, or trying to "defend" Oralmann by diverting discussions to everybody Except Oralmann might find their style cramped a bit. But let's face it, that's the tactic the Olbypologists use: defend their indefensible orange hero by steering talk away from him in every way possible. Well that's one of the tactics anyhow.

    > So, J$, you claim he is using doctored quotes to make your heroes look bad, then when he posts the actual quotes you delete the post as a violation of some sort.

    No, I delete the post because he lifted from another site without permission. But nobody can tell from where. See, that way he can pretend like the quotes are accurate and genuine (and I know some of them are neither) but nobody can judge the accuracy because we don't know where they came from. Plus he's stealing other people's work. Even dishonest work isn't open to stealing. Perhaps you missed the part where I said he is free to post a link to where he lifted the quotes from. I think that was very generous of me.

    > Republican Killa posted a response that verified everything he claimed about the FoxNews hosts, almost word for word

    Yes, on OlbyPlanet you can verify someone's quotes by posts that are ALMOST word for word. Which, by the way, at least some of them weren't. My God, you really believe that a doctored quote that is only ALMOST accurate constitutes verification? No wonder you use the handle Wasted Keystrokes.

    > Sort of a judge, jury, and executioner situation here at OW.

    Bingo. First thing you got right.

    WK, I did not intend to nor did I even so much as suggest that he was from your side of the aisle.

    Your statement is simply not supported by the facts. Let me quote me here:

    "Sorry Wasted Keystrokes but whoever this contemptible little p***K Jim McCool is does not seem to belong to either side."

    You can twist, turn and massage as you did any way you want to but in no way did I even hint that Jim McCool was anything more than what he is other than a contemptible little p***k!

    We all have different points of view but facts are facts. This statement from you

    "you seem to think that this guy is possibly a dem masquerading as a whacked out rightie"

    is a figment of your imagination.

    Grammie

    > Maybe there aren't as many "Olbypologists" as you think.

    Oh I'm sure you're right on that point. I can see the IP addresses, you know.

    > please list all of the things that make up an acceptable post.

    Well let's start with one that doesn't cut-and-paste from other sites and instead simply provides a link. That would be a GREAT start. If the discussion was actually relevant to the subject matter of this site, all the better. I'm surprised I have to keep explaining this stuff.

    "First off, there is a strong hint of satire to the segment. Second, what do you call what O'Reilly does everyday? Didn't he want to strangle people or some shit? I also heard that he's afraid to look in Keith's direction at industry parties. What a tough guy."

    Posted by: Republican Killa

    Strong hint of satire?
    I think the whole show is satire and belongs on comedy central.

    O'Reilly does the same thing has Obermann does except less of it, has opposing view points and even reads his own hate mail.

    Bill is afraid to fight Keith?
    Well at there age hopefully they're mature enough to have a debate one day.
    That would improve Keith's ratings, or maybe not?

    Wasted, please explain yourself. You said:

    "I personally think he is more likely a Phony-type, but it is just my opinion.
    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 17, 2007 2:38 AM"

    What defines and where does a "Phony-type" like Joel fit into your philosophy?

    My point was that Joel is totally amoral and has no core beliefs other than throwing a monkey wrench whenever and wherever he can simply for the shrieking hell of it..

    Grammie

    FROM TVNEWSER

    So, How Many Times Has Rudy Giuliani Been on FNC?

    With the lawsuit filed by Judith Regan over her dismissal from News Corp., there has been a lot of talk about the so-called "too-cozy" relationship between Presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani and Fox News Channel. In a story titled "Rudy Giuliani's ties to Fox News," Salon's Alex Koppelman and Erin Renzas write, "Giuliani has several personal and financial connections to News Corp. and Fox News — beginning with Fox's top executive — and those connections seem to have proven mutually beneficial."

    Among the connections: airtime. Salon cites a Hotline report that found "Giuliani had been interviewed on Fox News during the first 196 days of 2007 for a total of 115 minutes, more than any other presidential contender, and 14 minutes more than the runner-up, the then-undeclared Fred Thompson."

    But when you look at the year-to-date figures, things change. Giuliani is the fifth most-booked GOP candidate on FNC.

    • Tom Tancredo (candidacy declared April 2, 2007). Appearances on FNC year to date: 36.

    • Mike Huckabee (candidacy declared Jan. 28, 2007). Appearances on FNC year to date: 33.

    • Sen. John McCain (candidacy declared April 25, 2007). Appearances on FNC year to date: 24.

    • Mitt Romney (candidacy declared Feb. 13, 2007). Appearances on FNC year to date: 24.

    • Rudolph Giuliani (statement of candidacy with the FEC, February 5, 2007). Appearances on FNC year to date: 20.

    • Fred Thompson (candidacy declared Sept. 5, 2007). Appearances on FNC year to date: 14.

    • Ron Paul (candidacy declared March 12, 2007). Appearances on FNC year to date: 12.

    Sources: National Journal's Hotline; Factiva transcripts; Nexis transcripts; CQ Politics; FNC guest archive

    Wasted, sorry it was my mistake.

    Substitute Jim McCool for Joel wherever I used "Joel" in the last few hours.

    Grammie

    Here's a question Olby should ask shrillary

    think a relevant question needs to be asked; ” Mrs. Clinton, while your husband was in office, he betrayed you by having sex with Monica Lewinsky. If your husband doesn’t think enough of you or has enough respect for you, why should the American people?

    Hey Johnny,two great points about K.O. tonight. First, I remember when the O.J. book was coming out and KO.was all over O'reilly for not denouncing it (even tho he did) and now all over him for being too nasty.And second, the advertisements for Redacted. What a freakin moron. The guy is a sportscaster,nothing more.It amazes me to see people defend this guy just because they hold the same view point. I would be embarassed to defend anyone who gives their onesided opinions and attacks on those they disagree, without giving the other side a chance to respond.

    Here's a question Olby should ask shrillary

    think a relevant question needs to be asked; � Mrs. Clinton, while your husband was in office, he betrayed you by having sex with Monica Lewinsky. If your husband doesn�t think enough of you or has enough respect for you, why should the American people?


    Posted by: Galvatron

    Or how about: "Mrs. Clinton, will we have to worry about you dragging an intern into the Oval office to have him preform cunnininglus on you?"

    Or

    "Mrs. Clinton, is your husband upset about Sarkozy's divorce and won't be able to get some head from C�cilia as he masquerades around the world as ambassador?"

    See, the problem is, these are legitimate questions.

    God save us all.

    Here's a question all of you fucking fascist ind slave should be asked: are you OK that the US has spent ca. $20,000 for every family of four in the country (and relative amount for each household unit of different sizes) while:


    According to federal spending data compiled by the independent Web site FedSpending.org, however, the State Department's Blackwater contracts vastly exceed those of the Pentagon. Since 2004, State has paid Blackwater $833,673,316 compared with Defense Department contracts of $101,219,261."


    We're funding the creation of a private army of CHristian fascists who shoot to kill for no fucking reason. Almost a billion of our dollars to Eric Prince! Are you "conservatives" really OK with this?

    Only Olbermann could "lecture" people on the meaning of AD and the Book of Revelation and get it all wrong. And do his fans call him out on his mistakes? No, of course not. They will instead gleefully turn to Media Matters as their "source" and try to claim that something someone on Fox said was worse. This is not FoxWatch people, it's Olbermannwatch. But if I were a fan of Keith Olbermann's I wouldn't no what else to do either except change the subject. Because if you had to call him out on his mistakes and his flat-out lies, you'd have your hands full. That's why Olbermannwatch exists. You people seem so wrapped up in your "Libs good, Republicans bad" mind-set that you are terrified of admitting that Olbermann is wrong because it is somehow reflective of your own views, your own party being wrong. And that's why Olbermann should be labeled as a commentator, not a "news" anchor. Yes, some of you have admitted that's how you view him, but the diehard faithful just can't admit he's biased just like they can't admit he's wrong about at least something during every single broadcast of Countdown. Sigh. Sometimes I'm not quite sure if you actually DO believe he's right or you're just so wrapped up in defending every single thing he says that you're just willing to lie to yourself about his credibility.

    Well said Brandon!

    "The total moron ( goes without saying)just said the Dem debate was FIXED.
    Republican conspiracies abound !"

    Yeah, Dem Debates are up front and honorable.

    And you don't main line heroin either.

    ***********************************

    "C'mon... You know blowjob and cunnilingus questions are more relevant and just plain more fun!"

    What's the matter? pissed you gag, when you want to swallow?

    ***********************************

    "Laura, while you were married to Dummya you stood by and watched him battle cocaine addiction, alcoholism, and eventually bankrupt multiple businesses.."

    Oh and I'm sure since you are sssooooooooooooo smart like you're buddy WDYT you two should be ariving with those Karl Rove indicments? Right? I mean it's been what six plus years? And you know-it-alls still can't find anything on the president and administration?

    Comon', it should be a chip shot for such brilliant minds, what's taking so long? All I hear it should be soo easy. What's the hold-up?

    You and WDYT want to have another round of naked twister with lines of coke on the dots?

    How many times have we heard from you morons "George Bush is the dumbest president ever and a criminal for all these years and what have you dumb-asses come up with?

    NOTHING!

    Keithie and 'The Fugitive From The Bendix Diner.' rant and rave they have got the goods on Rudi and FNC, but what do they really have?

    NOTHING!

    Wasted Keystrokes? How about wasted mind.

    Which I guess isn't all that bad since WDYT doesn't even have a mind anymore.

    Drugs will do that.

    ***********************************

    And now on to news from WDYT and WW'S favorite zombie marching orders network.

    David Bernstein has left his position as vice president of programming at AIR AMERICA RADIO! Scott Elberg, chief operating officer said Air America will look for a replacement "who can help our radio and web components." Elberg said Berstein is RETURNING to his talent and management buisness......

    Why not? It's not like there was any talent at 'the losing stations almost everyday network.'

    Hey maybe WDYT and WW should apply for Mr. Berstein's old job since they know everything about everything.

    Why they could put on their master, Keith against Rush. And it should take only a week for Rush to fall by the way-side just like Keith did to O'Reilly and FNC, right boys?

    Remember they told you not to do the brown acid.

    But then again it's your own trip so be my guest.

    ***********************************

    And Keith (better get use to it) got a what?

    A WHAT?

    A FOURTH PLACE FINISH?

    Okay I could see Keith taking one for the team and his boss Hillary.

    But how do you explain Nancy Grace?

    Smoke a little angel dust and get back to me on that one okay?

    Don't bother, it will have as much revelation as the dump my dog just took out in the back yard.

    But then again, I shouldn't talk like this about WW and WDYT.

    I mean they are stars on you tube.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZQwnJTPh-M

    Posted by: Brandon at November 17, 2007 9:37 AM

    His fans can read?

    Wow! Brandon, that's SHOCKING news to me!

    Yes Puck, they can read, but think? Not so much.

    arriving

    I've been up all night, sorry.

    But being productive, not sitting in my basement.

    "Or maybe someone should ask this of Laura Bush:
    Laura, while you were married to Dummya you stood by and watched him battle cocaine addiction...Now you want all kinds of federal money to start a librarian program."

    Why should Laura have to answer anything? is Laura running for office? Does Laura claim that her husbands presidency is a 'joint-presidency?'.

    Laura has a foundation that raises millions to buy books for libraries. For some reason, the libtards are upset by this.
    The affliction of BDS causes some to turn on children now.



    How long can a pitiful little network allow this KO guy to keep his little show? All he is on for is to try to slam Bill O'Reilly. He is opposite BO's program and gets slaughtered in the rating day in and day out. BO even beats KO with his reruns.

    Are there shareholders of NBC? Do they continue to enjoy seeing money wasted on this pitiful excuse for entertainment? Is NBC simply making a direct contribution to the democrat party by continuing the KO show?

    KO is also a joke on the little Sunday night skit on football. He isn't a sports guy. He isnn't a coclor guy. He isn't a news guy. What is he?

    What an incredibly sick individual. You gotta feel sorry for the guy. Sheeezzz. I've never seen anything like it in the media..ever. How can they let this guy represent their network? I would imagine his peers are embarrassed to be associated with him. I'm sure they mock him around the water cooler. How could they not? There is no way a credible intelligent newsperson, commentator or technician could take this guy seriously. He is truly a joke.

    > Hey J$, I noticed you didn't reply to my accusation that you purposely distorted my post to attribute a point to me that I never made.

    Oh that was serious? I thought you were doing parody. It seemed obvious to me that when a person claims to smear someone posting inaccurate summaries of what was said, and you come around and claim well it's proof because it's ALMOST word for word...well, that hardly seems to require any real response. You're just playing a role, right? Taking an incoherent, illogical position for the purpose of diverting the topic away from Olbermann, right? I mean, it's obvious you don't really believe that drivel, that something that's ALMOST accurate constitutes "verification", do you?

    Excellent point. If I were you, I wouldn't waste one more minute here. I'd go right back to keitholbermann.org and complain to them about how the mean OlbyWatch crew caught their hero in more hypocrisy and lies, and you weren't able to change the subject. Waaah! Waaah!

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 17, 2007 10:48 AM


    Speaking of wasted, why do I get the impression that the best part of this guy ran down the crack of his mothers's ass and wound up as a brown stain on the mattres?

    He's probably another one of Johnny "The Wap" Amato's lackeys from C&L.

    He's all three and been successful at all three.( one of the hilarious reasons why this site is a joke )

    From one with a distorted point of view he has been, but if one lives in reality, then he's failure. Both as a "newsman" and a human being.

    ^^
    That was me.

    He's all three and been successful at all three.( one of the hilarious reasons why this site is a joke )
    FYI: People STILL rave about his first sports show.

    Posted by: at November 17, 2007 11:30 AM

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45118-2003Mar28.html

    On Saturday, the Washington Post's Lisa de Moraes provided a humorous recapping of Olbermann's job instability. An excerpt:

    My head hurts trying to keep track of Keith Olbermann's career. Yesterday, MSNBC announced it had rehired Olbermann to anchor a nightly show in the very same 8 p.m. time slot he used to have on the cable network.

    Olbermann quit MSNBC five years ago, saying its obsession with the Monica Lewinsky story gave him "the dry heaves."

    Yesterday's MSNBC news comes about 15 months after Olbermann announced he had returned to CNN, where he had worked in the '80s. "It's wonderful to be home," Olbermann said then.

    He stayed home less than a year. His second stint at CNN had been announced about eight months after his job at Fox Sports Net collapsed.

    This marks the third time Olbermann has worked for MSNBC President Erik Sorenson. That includes Olbermann's tenure at MSNBC starting in summer '97, not long after he walked out of ESPN, prompting one ESPN official to comment, "He didn't burn the bridges here, he napalmed them."

    Before ESPN, Olbermann worked as a sportscaster at KCBS in Los Angeles for then-general manager Erik Sorenson. You may have heard the story about Olbermann breaking a bathroom door there to illustrate his unhappiness about a substandard promo segment.

    "He's edgy, he's got attitude, he's hip, he's clever, he's a good writer," Sorenson said yesterday.

    Nineteen months ago he called Olbermann "the Gary Sheffield of broadcasting" -- a reference to the talented, much-traded slugger who is considered clubhouse poison. Of course, Sorenson said that during one of those periods when Olbermann wasn't actually working for him.

    All things considered, MSNBC and Olbermann are a match made in heaven; the network changes strategies about as often as he changes jobs.

    Olbermann said he isn't concerned about MSNBC's ever-changing game plan, because parent NBC has already announced he will host the cable network's Summer Olympics coverage in '04. NBC will telecast about 800 hours of Summer Games, 600 of which will be brought to you on MSNBC and CNBC. It would be pretty embarrassing for MSNBC to sack him this year and have to bring him back for the Games, Olbermann joked....

    CNN considered giving Olbermann the 8 p.m. time period during his last, brief stint there. The network went with Connie Chung instead; it canceled her show last week.

    He's all three and been successful at all three.( one of the hilarious reasons why this site is a joke )
    FYI: People STILL rave about his first sports show.

    Posted by: at November 17, 2007 11:30 AM

    Can the fangirrrrl from ERT or keitholbermann.org please take credit for this....orin/kathy/berry, we know you're out there ;)

    Slow down, my hyper-righty friends.
    1) The surge had a dual purpose, first the slow down the violence in Iraq, second to produce enough security for political reconciliation (remember the Bush benchmarks?). So far, only the first mission has been accomplished (thainks to Odierno/Petraeus and Sadr for calling off his Mahdi militia dogs for six months). It's the national reconciliation between Sunnis and Shiites, especially in mixed neighborhoods that will have to be accomplished in order to make this massive drop in violence sustainable.

    Also, what's more important, Rudy having more appearance numbers on FNC or the most time spent on Fox? Keith was wrong to focus on the 21 appearances, but his 115 minutes on Fox is more than any other candidate. If Keith did his homework (you can chuckle a bit) he would've focused on that instead. And let's not leave out, for the record, Hannity, Roger Ailes and frequent Fox commentator Frank Luntz's open (and in Luntz's case past) support for Rudy as well.

    You want to focus on numbers but who cares that Tancredo has been on FNC more than anyone else? Hasn't helped his candidacy much has it?

    Good call though on keith's hypocritical commentary of O'Reilly regarding Judith.

    orin/kathy/berry has burned her bridges at most ko fansites. They barely tolerate her yet at DU, her last foothold. With her know-it-all personality she fits in well w/ KO, she's chased off a lost of posters whereever she posts. She and KO are alike and would never be able to live in the same household together but facing that would burst her fantasy of him being her husband. Eeewwww all around. Think Kathy Bates in Misery.

    At ERT they told what they thought about her but she still returns there. At DU many do not address her but she posts anyway. What a sad existence. And yse, I'm sure she's reading this site because she's all about anything Olbermann. Obsessed doesn't cover it. I'm surprised her family hasn't done an intervention.

    1:44 - Maybe you could meet orin/kathy/berry - she sounds perfect for you. You both love KO and you could spend your time watching him all day. She really could use a man.

    Johnny, how about an offshoot of OW, Olbermatch, an online dating site for Olbyloons? lol Think about it.

    ^^
    Your perception of success is skewed nonetheless. From reading your posts, your maturity is questionable at best.

    > Johnny, how about an offshoot of OW, Olbermatch, an online dating site for Olbyloons? lol Think about it.

    Hmm. We'd have to have ads for cheap Merlot, a guide to hotel room rates, and a selection of tacky ties. Oh and then there's the age thing as well. We don't want to run afoul of the law after all.

    I'm a 56 yr old male ...not this so called fan girl.

    Nice try but as usual...you fell flat on your face.

    Posted by: at November 17, 2007 1:44 PM

    Your perception of success is skewed nonetheless. From reading your posts, your maturity is questionable at best.

    The total moron ( goes without saying)just said the Dem debate was FIXED.
    Republican conspiracies abound !

    TDF.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 16, 2007 10:43 PM

    Really?
    LaShannon Spencer, who was identified as a member of the First African Methodist Church, asked the question near the top of the 10 pm Eastern hour. She highlighted how health care and the Iraq war had, in her view, dominated the questions during past debates.
    LaShannon Spencer who is, or at least was the political director of the Democrat Party of Arkansas. She was identified on CNN as an "undecided voter". CNN chose to omit he backround.
    Here is another plant.
    KHALID KHAN For years he has been a prominent Muslim leader -- the president of the Islamic Society of Nevada.
    He was also a guest on a CNN show called, "keeping the faith in Sin City -- a surprising look at how Muslims manage to live and work under the glitz, greed and sex in Las Vegas."
    I guess we should start calling CNN, "Fixed News".

    > Johnny, how about an offshoot of OW, Olbermatch, an online dating site for Olbyloons? lol Think about it.

    Johnny Dollar wrote "Hmm. We'd have to have ads for cheap Merlot, a guide to hotel room rates, and a selection of tacky ties. Oh and then there's the age thing as well. We don't want to run afoul of the law after all."

    I know this site is a public service in calling out Olbermann's discepancies and lies but you could do another public sevice in helping the loons hook up. They sound like a hopelessly lonely group. However, I understand the legalites involved. Love your response.

    Keith was wrong to focus on the 21 appearances, but his 115 minutes on Fox is more than any other candidate.
    Posted by: charlie manson at November 17, 2007 12:56 PM

    Rudy is the front runner, that is why he gets more time. If Hillary Rotten appeared on Fox News, she would get more time as well, just like she get more attention from CNN, NBC, ABC, MSLSD, and CBS.

    KO is also a joke on the little Sunday night skit on football. He isn't a sports guy. He isnn't a coclor guy. He isn't a news guy. What is he?

    Posted by: Shankbear at November 17, 2007 11:02 AM

    He's a narcissistic personality disordered jerk, who uses politics as he uses most things in life, as a vehicle for expressing his desire to be the center of the universe.

    Suspicious, intolerant, egocentric, arrogant, and utterly lacking empathy, he is the perfect partisan voice for a bevy of elitist groupies and the determinedly disenfranchised kooks they employ.

    The irony is that he wouldn't deign to be within fifteen feet of any of them.

    "Sorry Wasted Keystrokes but whoever this contemptible little p***K Jim McCool is does not seem to belong to either side."

    You can twist, turn and massage as you did any way you want to but in no way did I even hint that Jim McCool was anything more than what he is other than a contemptible little p***k!

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 17, 2007 2:11 AM


    Ok Grammie. I stand corrected.
    I guess you only think he is a contemptible little p***k.

    I personally think he is more likely a Phony-type, but it is just my opinion.

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 17, 2007 2:38 AM

    MY NAME IS JIM!!!
    Grammie, ever since that day i ran out of butter with you, you couldn't remember my name!
    My point is OLBERMANN should contract a painful testicular death if there is ANY justice in this world.
    Amen

    Suspicious, intolerant, egocentric, arrogant, and utterly lacking empathy

    Posted by: Cecelia at November 17, 2007 4:29 PM

    Cecilia knows those traits very well. It matches her to a T.

    GRAMMIE TOO!
    KEITH TOO!

    GRAMMIE is the WORST person in the world, right after KEITH.
    May Allah and the pedophile prophet condemn him to an eternity as a sex slave to an unwashed 400 lb man with halitosis

    Who ran out of butter!

    Did anyone catch earlier in the week when olbymoron was wimpering about the McCain supporter calling clinton a "bitch". Well that didn't get kieffy's panties in a bunch as much as the fact that McCain refered to dumocrats as the "democrat" party. How would we Repubs like it if from now on if dickwad refered to us as THE REPUBLICA party.

    Honest to fucking Christ, HOW, HOW, HOW, did these idiots re-up on this simpleton's contract. This guy is a complete farce. What a disgrace.

    He actually had the friggin audacity the other night to mention O'reilly's ego. I don't know how this fool keeps a straight face sometimes.

    funny blog about a guy who sends out email links to Keith Olbermann special comments and is annoyed when a close friend tells him to stop. Read the second page if you have time---because it DEFINES how condesending the left can be:

    http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mark_hut_071117_an_unexpected_trip_t.htm

    Absolutely. Do you agree he should contract colon cancer and have a slow painful end which involves a tremendously impacted colon?

    > Johnny, how about an offshoot of OW, Olbermatch, an online dating site for Olbyloons? lol Think about it.

    Hmm. We'd have to have ads for cheap Merlot, a guide to hotel room rates, and a selection of tacky ties. Oh and then there's the age thing as well. We don't want to run afoul of the law after all.

    Posted by: johnny dollar at November 17, 2007 2:03 PM


    Or maybe an O'reilly fan dating site with each membership, a free LOOFAH!
    And each T-Warrior gets a falafel!

    Trent - KO is so obsessed with BOR he probably makes Katy play 'Bill and Andrea with the falafel' while watching The Factor. And that's a hell of a big falafel to scrub down that fat gut.

    Trent - KO is so obsessed with BOR he probably makes Katy play 'Bill and Andrea with the falafel' while watching The Factor. And that's a hell of a big falafel to scrub down that fat gut.
    Posted by: at November 17, 2007 8:20 PM

    this post is sooooo wrong...but I still LOL :)

    Trent - KO is so obsessed with BOR he probably makes Katy play 'Bill and Andrea with the falafel' while watching The Factor. And that's a hell of a big falafel to scrub down that fat gut.

    Posted by: at November 17, 2007 8:20 PM

    Let's hope so. Frankly, I believe it would make KO seem more interesting. Lets also hope that he becomes a conservative before he performs this act. Maybe he can write a book on how moral he is, and how most Americans will reject the freaky sh!t like teh gay marraige homo terrorists...

    ...oh. deja vu.

    You know the more I think about it Keith is more and more like the reincarnation of Murrow.I especially like his impressions of Orielly ,Limbaugh,Hannity,and others.Why do they all sound the same? I remember back in the late 50s I caught Murrow's act at the Steel Pier in Atlantic City.He did a great JFK and his John Wayne was I gotta tell you sidesplitting!

    Consequently, to stand any chance of winning next year, Republicans must pray for a national amnesia to erase the previous eight years from the minds of voters. But amnesia only happens in soap operas—and that's why Democrats will win in 2008. As long as Democratic candidates remind voters that the Republican platform and Bush's record are one and the same, victory will be assured.

    Posted by: at November 17, 2007 8:46 PM

    Let's hope so. Though the democrats are not my preferred party of choice, I really prefer a democrat over a republican. I just really hope that the democrats start acting like the opposition party they are supposed to be. I'm very optomistic about the future.

    9:02 - Just think how often Murrow called out his competition as the worst person in the world. Who was named more often - Huntley or Brinkley?

    Consequently, to stand any chance of winning next year, Republicans must pray for a national amnesia to erase the previous eight years from the minds of voters. But amnesia only happens in soap operas—and that's why Democrats will win in 2008. As long as Democratic candidates remind voters that the Republican platform and Bush's record are one and the same, victory will be assured.

    Posted by: at November 17, 2007 8:46 PM


    Let's hope so. Though the democrats are not my preferred party of choice, I really prefer a democrat over a republican. I just really hope that the democrats start acting like the opposition party they are supposed to be. I'm very optomistic about the future.

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at November 17, 2007 9:20 PM

    I'm optomistic also.When Hillary gets in just think of it.It will be like the Garden of Eden here.She will fix everything.Just imagine FREE healthcare,yea.Higher taxes,not necessarily.We could open those pesky borders entirely so we can get rid of the border patrol (money saved).Give licenses to the illegals (this week anyway).Get those 11 year old strumpets on the pill (don't worry about informing the parents).Even if some do get pregnant we will have FREE abortions.She will talk to Iran about getting rid of their nuclear program,you know like Bill did with North Korea.Man if only we could get a few million more San Francisco values voters we could disband the military (lots and lots of money saved)because we all know that Bush is really,really exagerating about all of these so called terrorists.They are just misunderstood.Hillary will talk to em but the very best thing is that Keith will be off the air because he will have nothing to bitch about because everything will be just PERFECT!

    I'm optomistic also.When Hillary gets in just think of it.It will be like the Garden of Eden here.She will fix everything.Just imagine FREE healthcare,yea.Higher taxes,not necessarily.We could open those pesky borders entirely so we can get rid of the border patrol (money saved).Give licenses to the illegals (this week anyway).Get those 11 year old strumpets on the pill (don't worry about informing the parents).Even if some do get pregnant we will have FREE abortions.She will talk to Iran about getting rid of their nuclear program,you know like Bill did with North Korea.Man if only we could get a few million more San Francisco values voters we could disband the military (lots and lots of money saved)because we all know that Bush is really,really exagerating about all of these so called terrorists.They are just misunderstood.Hillary will talk to em but the very best thing is that Keith will be off the air because he will have nothing to bitch about because everything will be just PERFECT!

    Posted by: yodell at November 17, 2007 9:47 PM


    I never said things would be perfect. Thanks for your assumptions! Yodell, stop trying please.

    I never said things would be perfect. Thanks for your assumptions! Yodell, stop trying please.

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at November 17, 2007 9:58 PM


    How about much,MUCH better.

    Please don't jump on me I'm on your side.I want abortions anytime ,anywhere, and for FREE.I really don't like children anyway.

    Please don't jump on me I'm on your side.I want abortions anytime ,anywhere, and for FREE.I really don't like children anyway.

    Posted by: yodell at November 17, 2007 10:22 PM

    Or we can give those babies a chance, let them grow up and refuse them health care from evil socialists.
    Then, 18 years from now when we are still fighting the war on terror in Iran, ship them off to fight and be killed the humane way.
    A suitable alternative, I believe.

    I know newspeak too!

    Or we can give those babies a chance, let them grow up and refuse them health care from evil socialists.
    Then, 18 years from now when we are still fighting the war on terror in Iran, ship them off to fight and be killed the humane way.
    A suitable alternative, I believe.

    I know newspeak too!

    Posted by: at November 17, 2007 10:36 PM


    Naw lets nip it in the bud kill them in the womb,besides we are going to try to disband the military.We don't need those gun toteing neocons we all know that all they do is rape kids and kill innocent civilians.Hillary will talk to Iran she'll get it straightened out.GO HILLARY!

    Naw lets nip it in the bud kill them in the womb,besides we are going to try to disband the military.We don't need those gun toteing neocons we all know that all they do is rape kids and kill innocent civilians.Hillary will talk to Iran she'll get it straightened out.GO HILLARY!

    Posted by: yodell at November 17, 2007 11:20 PM


    Wow. You're good at this Newspeak!

    "We don't need those gun toteing neocons we all know that all they do is rape kids and kill innocent civilans."

    No, they also eat, sleep, go to the bathroom...and spread the fear.

    Wow. You're good at this Newspeak!

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at November 17, 2007 11:36 PM


    WHAT? Hey look I am new to this liberal stuff.Help me out don't we want to kill unborn babies? Don't we want to take guns away from law abiding people so that only the thugs and the police have them? DON'T WE WANT TO GIVE THE PILL TO 11 YEAR OLDS WITHOUT THEIR PARENT'S PERMISSION?Don't we want to redistribute wealth? DON'T WE WANT EVERYONE TO BIKE RIDE SO WE CAN FLY IN OUR PRIVATE JETS?Don't we want the borders open? Hello Hey help me out aren't these our talking points. GO HILLARY!

    We don't need those gun toteing neocons we all know that all they do is rape kids and kill innocent civilans."

    No, they also eat, sleep, go to the bathroom...and spread the fear.

    Posted by: Mike at November 17, 2007 11:39 PM

    You're right let's disband the military those warmongering bastards.GO HILLARY!!!

    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 17, 2007 5:52 PM


    It seems McDonald's has gotten a nut-burger.

    Or we can give those babies a chance, let them grow up and refuse them health care from evil socialists.
    Then, 18 years from now when we are still fighting the war on terror in Iran, ship them off to fight and be killed the humane way.
    A suitable alternative, I believe.

    I know newspeak too!

    Posted by: at November 17, 2007 10:36 PM

    You sure do know newspeak.

    Private funding for health care is the same as "refusing" heath care.

    Voluntarily joining the military in order to fight wars is the same as conscription.

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    Did that site write this just for you, WDYT?

    Wow...THIS site must seem like a breath freedom for you... right?...

    "You're right lets' disband the military those warmonging bastards. GO HILLARY!!!!"

    NO, let's just disband the neocons and then we can begin to use the military again for what it is actually for; ...... national defense!

    NO, let's just disband the neocons and then we can begin to use the military again for what it is actually for; ...... national defense!

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 3:27 AM


    Just out of curiousity how was bombing the Serbs and the Kurds via the no-fly zone in Iraq, "national defense"?

    "Voluntarily joining the military to fight wars is the same as conscription."

    No, but assuming 18 year olds who cannot even legally buy liquor in their own country are mature enough to make life or death decisions for themselves regarding complex international relationships they usually don't even understand might be worse."

    Partisan asshole Cecelia rears her ugly pointed head again.

    Posted by: at November 18, 2007 3:34 AM

    And 'nonpartisan' anonymous you has reared your ugly rear... what else is new...

    No, but assuming 18 year olds who cannot even legally buy liquor in their own country are mature enough to make life or death decisions for themselves regarding complex international relationships they usually don't even understand might be worse."

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 3:34 AM


    That would have been true as well in any previous war you can name.

    'Non-minors'... can also marry without parental consent, sign contracts, vote, and be tried in a court of law as an adult.

    You want the age of military recruitment changed fine... but you better get a better argument than one that implies volunteering is no different from being drafted.

    "Just out of curiosity, how was bombing the serbs and kurds via the no fly zone in Iraq "national defense?"

    1) - When did we bomb the Serbs "via the no fly zone in Iraq"?

    2) - When did we "bomb the Kurds"?

    3) - Was that another 'Clinton did it too' defense?

    "You want the age of military recruitment changed fine... but you better get a better argument than volunteering is no different then being drafted."

    What I "want" is a more responsible use of the military that these young people entrusted their lives to out of patriotism, regardless of whether they volunteered or were conscripted.

    1) - When did we bomb the Serbs "via the no fly zone in Iraq"?

    2) - When did we "bomb the Kurds"?

    3) - Was that another 'Clinton did it too' defense?

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 3:42 AM


    No, it was another define "national defense" defense and since you prefaced your remarks with "disband NEOCONS" [my caps....] so define it.

    What I "want" is a more responsible use of the military that these young people entrusted their lives to out of patriotism, regardless of whether they volunteered or were conscripted.

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 3:49 AM

    And what I want is for you to act like the military is composed of men and women who are intelligent adults, instead of just a means you use to imply that their leaders are not.

    Republican Party: Home of the Anti-Christ

    Home of Cecelia, who never met a ( republican) war she didn't like.

    Posted by: at November 18, 2007 3:54 AM

    or an anonymous blogboard retard that she did like...

    Republicans: Waterboarding For Jesus

    Posted by: at November 18, 2007 3:55 AM

    In your case we'd call it baptism...

    Rudy Giuliani:
    Who cares if he's really a "gay friendly", lisping, cross-dressing mamma's boy? He SOUNDS tough!

    Posted by: at November 18, 2007 3:58 AM

    See... YOU too could be president...

    "and since you prefaced your remarks with "disband NEOCONS" [my caps....]"

    That was simply a sarcastic response to the even more ridiculous "disband the military" comment from Yodell.

    "so define it"

    It's kind of sad and mystifying that we are even being asked to define "national defense" as 'only attacking and occupying countries that actually attack or threaten us'......instead of 'attacking and occupying countries that MIGHT just someday threaten us IF they ever get the inclination and ability to do so.....AND just MIGHT be foolish enough to do such a thing'.

    SO:

    When did we "bomb the Serbs via the no fly zone in Iraq"?

    AND:

    When did we "bomb the Kurds"?

    We can all laugh at the GOP. Can you say electronic voting machines? Now who's laughing?

    Posted by: at November 18, 2007 3:59 AM

    Your Diebolt overlords...and all the other voices in your head.

    It's kind of sad and mystifying that we are even being asked to define "national defense" as 'only attacking and occupying countries that actually attack or threaten us'......instead of 'attacking and occupying countries that MIGHT just someday threaten us IF they ever get the inclination and ability to do so.....AND just MIGHT be foolish enough to do such a thing'.

    SO:

    When did we "bomb the Serbs via the no fly zone in Iraq"?

    AND:

    When did we "bomb the Kurds"?

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 4:04 AM


    We bombed Iraq in the no-fly zone that protected the Kurds.

    We bombed Serbia to protect the Muslim population.

    So how bout that definition of "national defense" that would run counter to a "neocon" definition.

    Cecelia: Someplace where everyone knows my name."

    Posted by: at November 18, 2007 4:02 AM

    Blogboard-- a place you can hide...

    You should know by now that Cecelia just makes shit up.

    Posted by: at November 18, 2007 4:08 AM

    So you're a figment of my imagination?

    Yeah, there was nothing fishy about the last two elections.
    Speaking of fish, isn't it that time of the week for a shower, a cold one ?

    Posted by: at November 18, 2007 4:07 AM

    Nah, we have a detamination area for you cold fish.

    "And what I want is for you to act like the military is composed of men and women who are intelligent adults,"....

    Oh, they very mush ARE "intelligent adults". However, they are often a far cry from being sufficiently mature and educated adults in order to make such monumental decisions regarding their lives and futures.


    "instead of just a means you use to imply their leaders are not."

    I was hardly "USING' the military to imply "their leaders are not", I was categorily stating that their leaders have been anything but responsible in their callous use of the young lives that were entrusted to them out of laudable patriotism, and their somewhat blind belief in the wisdom of leadership that has not been reciprocated.

    What should have been a symbiotic relationship has only worked one way under this administration.

    "We bombed Iraq in the no fly zone that protected the Kurds"

    But we didn't bomb the Kurds...not intentionally anyway.

    "We bombed Serbia to protect the Muslim population"

    But we didn't do it "via the no fly zone in Iraq."

    I was hardly "USING' the military to imply "their leaders are not", I was categorily stating that their leaders have been anything but responsible in their callous use of the young lives that were entrusted to them out of laudable patriotism, and their somewhat blind belief in the wisdom of leadership that has not been reciprocated.

    What should have been a symbiotic relationship has only worked one way under this administration.

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 4:21 AM


    What you've categorically done is to demean the capabilities of service men and women, chiefly in order to present them as being duped by their leaders.

    If you wish to change the legal age of adulthood to be 21 years, I suggest you lobby for that without making it seem sheer political opportunism.

    So how bout that definition of "National defense" that would run counter to a "neocon" definition"

    It was termed a "humanitarian mission" in both of those instances.....not a 'kill them before they get the ability and inclination to kill us' defense.

    It was termed a "humanitarian mission" in both of those instances.....not a 'kill them before they get the ability and inclination to kill us' defense.

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 4:30 AM

    It was billed too as a mission to keep Saddam from expanding his boundries... and a mission to keep the entire Baltic region from dissolving into ethnic war.

    Just one good definition for "national defense".

    We're still there defending that... btw....

    It was termed a "humanitarian mission" in both of those instances.....not a 'kill them before they get the ability and inclination to kill us' defense.

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 4:30

    Well, it's garbage because we were protecting our interests in those regions.... of course, but it's an interesting formulation of your's that it's fine to bomb for humanitarian reasons... but not to bomb pre-emptively for any consideration towards self-protection...

    "What you've catigorically done is demean the capabilities of service men and women, chiefly to present them as being duped by our leaders."

    Well, thats one way of looking at it, but it isn't entirely accurate. If believing that a typical 18 year old is not mature or educated enough to make life or death decisions regarding their future when their heartstrings are being tugged at out of sheer patriotism, is in no way "demeaning" in my opinion...unless you want to completely re-define traditional definitions regarding maturity and judgement out of the convenience of justifying a war.

    "If you wish to change the legal defintion of adulthood to 21 years, I suggest you lobby for that without making it seem sheer political opportunism."

    All I "wish to change", is the level of maturity and judgement regarding such grave matters as war at the very top levels of our government.....and that is entirely reasonable and in no way politically motivated.

    What you've catigorically done is demean the capabilities of service men and women, chiefly to present them as being duped by our leaders."

    Well, thats one way of looking at it, but it isn't entirely accurate. If believing that a typical 18 year old is not mature or educated enough to make life or death decisions regarding their future when their heartstrings are being tugged at out of sheer patriotism, is in no way "demeaning" in my opinion...unless you want to completely re-define traditional definitions regarding maturity and judgement out of the convenience of justifying a war.

    "If you wish to change the legal defintion of adulthood to 21 years, I suggest you lobby for that without making it seem sheer political opportunism."

    All I "wish to change", is the level of maturity and judgement regarding such grave matters as war at the very top levels of our government.....and that is entirely reasonable and in no way politically motivated.

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 4:43 AM


    How about I define judgement and maturity for the convenience of justifying decades old law?

    And if you're not interested in increasing the age restriction on joining the military, then you are indeed casting doubts on the competency of these men and women solely to score a political ..if personal.. point.

    "it was billed too as a mission to keep Saddam from expanding his boundaries...."

    Could that be because he had just finished trying to expand his borders?

    "and a mission to keep the entire Baltic region from dissolving into war"

    Which, for us, still amounted to a humanitarian mission because a regional Baltic war would not have seriously threatened us, or our vital interests.

    "We're still there defending that... BTW..."

    But how many are dying "defending that"? Or, is it more like how we're still there "defending" Korea? I was not a combat veteran....but by THAT definition, I was.

    "Could that be because he had just finished trying to expand his borders?"

    Absolutenly rootley!

    "and a mission to keep the entire Baltic region from dissolving into war"

    "Which, for us, still amounted to a humanitarian mission because a regional Baltic war would not have seriously threatened us, or our vital interests."

    That's hogwash. Yugoslavia had been a nuclear power and the entire region is replete with arms arsenals. The fear was that any escalation of ethnic tensions in the area would lead to a situation were groups would be trying to acquire a bomb.

    "We're still there defending that... BTW..."

    "But how many are dying "defending that"? Or, is it more like how we're still there "defending" Korea? I was not a combat veteran....but by THAT definition, I was. "

    So your definition of "national defense" is bombing for humanitarian reasons, rather pre-emptively for for self-protection (and protecting commerical and security interests was what Bosnia was about and protecting the region was what the no-fly zone in Iraq was about), and defending areas only as long as they are stable.

    "then you are indeed casting doubts on the competency of these men and women solely to score a political.. if personal ..point."

    - Not wanting my country to engage in un-necessary wars is anything but political, no matter how many times you or Cee say or imply that it is.

    - Questioning the maturity, judgment, and level of education of a typical 18 year old is anything but questioning their competency, which is an entirely different matter.

    - You can spend from now to eternity trying to twist my assertions regarding incompetency or worse at the top levels of our government into not supporting or dissing the troops, as many keep trying to do....but it will NEVER stick....because it simply isn't true....and the military and the presidency are two entirely different entities.

    "So your definition of "national defense" is bombing for humanitarian reasons?"

    No, but a humanitarian mission that actually was embarked on for actual humanitarian reasons did seem to be a justifiable diversion from purity of purpose.

    There was never any reasonable doubt in my mind as to the wisdom AND humanity of maintaining and enforcing the no-fly zones in Northern and Southern Iraq. The policy worked...they cost us comparitively little....and could have been maintained indefinitely....thus the insanity and utter lunacy of the invasion and occupation of Iraq that followed.

    - Questioning the maturity, judgment, and level of education of a typical 18 year old is anything but questioning their competency, which is an entirely different matter.

    - You can spend from now to eternity trying to twist my assertions regarding incompetency or worse at the top levels of our government into not supporting or dissing the troops, as many keep trying to do....but it will NEVER stick....because it simply isn't true....and the military and the presidency are two entirely different entities.

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 5:03 AM


    Not being mature enough to make a wise decision is most certainly a question of competency.

    You're saying that 18 year old soldiers lack the maturity and the judgement and wisdom that (can...) come with them, and then you add that you aren't interested in changing THAT objective equation (a rise in the age requirements), your interest is only the SUBJECTIVE equation of their "leaders" (and who would that be...) making sound and mature and wise decisions for these troops.

    That's essentially a political point and only a political point.

    There was never any reasonable doubt in my mind as to the wisdom AND humanity of maintaining and enforcing the no-fly zones in Northern and Southern Iraq. The policy worked...they cost us comparitively little....and could have been maintained indefinitely....thus the insanity and utter lunacy of the invasion and occupation of Iraq that followed.

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 5:12 AM


    I'll add defense that "costs us little" (if you aren't the guy being bombed) to your definition of "national defense".

    "Thats essentially a political point and only a political point."

    Only if you believe in the fallacy that I would somehow be a war supporter if only the age or recruitment had been 21.

    Who knew that such irresponsible leaders were lurking just around the bend?

    "(if you aren't the guy being bombed)"

    You mean the guys who turned on the radar tracking devices to provoke the occasional attacks on such sites?

    Gotta get to bed now...which is a luxury many young service members in Iraq might not be afforded.

    "Thats essentially a political point and only a political point."

    Only if you believe in the fallacy that I would somehow be a war supporter if only the age or recruitment had been 21.

    Who knew that such irresponsible leaders were lurking just around the bend?

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 5:18 AM

    Oh, I know you wouldn't be a war supporter if the soldiers were all 31.

    That's the fallacy in your using them in this manner. Their age isn't the issue, it's merely an excuse.

    Gotta get to bed now...which is a luxury many young service members in Iraq might not be afforded.

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 5:24 AM


    And that's true for the over 21 years of age soldiers and for all wars as well.


    "(if you aren't the guy being bombed)"

    You mean the guys who turned on the radar tracking devices to provoke the occasional attacks on such sites?

    Posted by: Mike at November 18, 2007 5:22 AM


    I mean any guy who is being bombed.

    Once again, the Olbermann defenders have hijacked another thread, diverting away from Olbermann's lies and gross errors during a broadcast, to any subject they can possibly think of to get away from the simple fact that Olbermann screwed the pooch on Friday Night's broadcast. Can you imagine the hissy fit that Media Matters & HuffPo would be having right now if someone on Fox said the same stupid things that Olby said on Friday? But no, not a word is spoken, no admission he was wrong, by his desperate fans.

    And they may be even more desperate with the general election rolls around. Among the articles they've somehow managed to overlook are the polls that show that the Democratic candidates have the highest negatives ever seen in presidential primary polling. Just like they refuse to acknowledge the cellar-level "disapproval" rates for their Pelosi-led Congress. Both parties have problems but to hear the Olbyloons tell it, Olbermann is perfect and never ever makes a mistake or lies on air and their party is the most beloved thing in the United States. Nothing could be further from the truth on both counts.

    OK, Maybe Cecelia is the WORST person in the world, after Keith of course. I really think he and Harry Reid would make good wives in Pelican Bay. They'd love Keith's oh so smart looking rectangular glasses. He's so avant garde looking!

    Question from the Right:

    "Mrs. Clinton, while your husband was in office, he betrayed you by having sex with Monica Lewinsky. If your husband doesn’t think enough of you or has enough respect for you, why should the American people?"

    Question from the Left (with all the spelling errors, historically incorrect and illogical nonsense):

    "Laura, while you were married to Dummya you stood by and watched him battle cocaine addiction, alcoholism, and eventually bankrupt multiple businesses. You also did nothing while he got involved in an ill-advised war and bungled that. Now you want all kinds of federal money to start a librarian program.

    Given your inability to oversee your husband's rotten behavior, why should you be trusted to oversee tons of federal money?

    Furthermore, with your husband's buthchering of the English language regularly, why didn't you first take his stupidity on as a pet project to prove your worth? Why should we give you millions or billions if you can't even fix the stupidity at home?"

    First of all: You bleeding Democrats, please try to realize that GWB is NOT running for re-election, so bashing him will buy you and your cause absolutely NOTHING! And to a liberal punk like you, it is "MRS. BUSH" or "First Lady", not Laura. Obvoiusly your parents did not know the meaning of the word "respect" and/or were too stupid to teach it to you.

    Second: Laura Bush NEVER tried to be President-in-Waiting as Hillary always pretended to be.

    Third: Wherever or whatever the GWB Presidential Library will be, it will NOT be a double trailer like the so-called "Presidential" library for the philandering hillbilly.

    Fourth: Should Hillary be elected President, she would ditch Bill as fast as a greased fart. She would declare to be known as PRESIDENT RODHAM.

    After all, Bill will have served his purpose in life: Getting Hillary elected President.

    It was SOOOOO refreshing to see Olbermannn back to his tired old routine to name Bill O'Reilley the "WORST PERSON OF THE WORLD", once more.

    It was BORING to see others to take that coveted spot!

    Olbermann could save himself a bunch of money by dismissing his "staff" who research the world for the WPITW title. All he has to do is LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!!

    It was SOOOOO refreshing to see Olbermannn back to his tired old routine to name Bill O'Reilley the "WORST PERSON OF THE WORLD", once more.

    It was BORING to see others to take that coveted spot!

    Olbermann could save himself a bunch of money by dismissing his "staff" who research the world for the WPITW title. All he has to do is LOOK IN THE MIRROR!!!!

    Posted by: Yukon Jack at November 18, 2007 12:25 PM

    oohh..good one! Bitching about a 2 minute satirical segment.

    If it is only a "2 minute satirical segment", maybe Olbermann should consider replacing it with something more original and witty.

    Sorry, my mistake, "original" and "witty" are two words that do not exist in the Olbermann dictionary.

    That being the case, (without a doubt) he should STILL look in the mirror for the THIRD, SECOND and especially the FIRST place for the Worst Person In The World. His mirror image surely would overshadow such sterling characters as Robert Mugabe, Mohammed Iamanutjob or Fidel Castro.

    I mean, why overlook the obvious??

    Ah the poster with no name forgets that hillary carries a 50% DISapproval rating... which means she can only count out half the population of voters.

    Lets not pretend that there are not a lot of democrats that don't like Hillary... she's just facing the B-team in the primaries.

    Cool your celebration bragging for another year patsy. Lots of campaigning to do.

    oohh..good one! Bitching about a 2 minute satirical segment.

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist


    A 2 minute satirical segment that reflexes 30 minutes of the show.
    That word "satire" is use a lot to defend Olbermann's show.
    Maybe we should move Keith's show to Comedy Central and put a real news program on that time slot.
    Fox is to the right, who knows what CNN is doing at 8pm nowadays and Keith is using his show to attack everybody on the right.

    Lets not pretend that there are not a lot of democrats that don't like Hillary... she's just facing the B-team in the primaries.

    Posted by: benson at November 18, 2007 12:49 PM

    True. Though I am not a democrat (I'm a proud member of the green party), I really hope Obama gets the nomination. Needless to say that if it comes down to Clinton and Guillian, I would hope Clinton wins.

    "And they don't deserve it ?"

    ( Another unspoken moment by the Repukes)

    "Posted by: at who?"


    They might, but do we have to hear about it every night?
    Heck, both sides deserved to be hammered a bit.
    But do it honestly, fair and keep it to 10 minutes or less, then get on with some real news.

    Keith is using his show to attack everybody on the right.


    Posted by: joe at November 18, 2007 12:55 PM


    It's about time someone calls them out.

    "It's about time someone calls them out."

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist

    Yup, you are right.
    We need "news people" to call the right and left and just forget the news.
    Who needs real news anymore lets just do what the Democrats and Republicans do all the time, call each other out.

    Yup, you are right.
    We need "news people" to call the right and left and just forget the news.
    Who needs real news anymore lets just do what the Democrats and Republicans do all the time, call each other out.


    Posted by: joe at November 18, 2007 1:41 PM


    I really understand your concerns, I share them myself. I really wish he would do more news because it could certainly speak for itself. I really enjoy the first 30 minutes of his program.
    Sadly, 30 minutes does not cover it all. I tell you my friend, diversify your media by getting news from independent and international media.

    "Do you hear the republicans at this site talking about ANY GOP candidate?"

    I know it's difficult for your Olbyloons to have any sort of reading comprehension skills but please refer to the title of this webpage. It's Olbermannwatch. Not "GOP Candidate watch".

    Now, would anyone like to agree that Olbermann fucked up on Friday night's broadcast and that it's clear he is NOT a biblical scholar?

    Would you like to admit now that he has a repeated pattern of lying and omitting facts when "reporting"?

    Oh right. You can't do that. He's your idol, God, hero, for "calling out the right". Too bad Olby is almost always usually wrong.

    Now we know why you prefer to discuss the GOP, the President and any other off-topic subject you can possibly find to divert attention away from just how horrid Olbermann is as a "news" caster.

    Far left-wing blogger and Democratic strategist Markos Moulitsos Zuniga of the Daily Kos cheered the brutal murders of four American civilian contractors in Fallujah–all of them war veterans with distinguished records, three of them fathers–with the following infamous words:

    “Screw them.”

    "You seem to hate all the real news too.
    Maybe because it makes your president look so bad."


    Posted by: at what??

    my president? I didn't vote for the guy but if you live in the U.S. then like it our not he is our president until his term is up then the vote in other one, that's how it works.


    "I tell you my friend, diversify your media by getting news from independent and international media."

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist

    I do, and if you ask anybody who knows me, they would tell you I listen, read and watch to much news.
    I like to watch the news at times and compare how they report each event.
    And in my opinion Keith does one of the worst jobs.
    Half of the stuff he does isn't even news worthy, it's more like personal attacks.
    I think if he had a opposing view point on his show it would be pretty good.

    Where can I go to trash KO, or just generally bitch about him. I feel like I'm at Kos or the Free Republic site. I'm looking for an anti-Olbermann site, some place to call him out on his lies, not a message board about the war. Then there are the ubiquitous bovine references. What's that about? I know he's fat as a cow but . . .

    Will everyone please stop referring to Fat-Ass KO as a newscaster, reporter or journalist. I think amatuer/aspiring propagandist would be more accurate.

    Have you all ever seen his performances at the post debates when he doesn't have his precious teleprompter spoon feeding him propaganda from Media Matters? It's like watching a stuttering, stammering train-wreck.

    I'm an Iraq vet and would love it if KO stopped pretending to care about me or anyone else in the U.S military. He needs to stop using us as a tool to viciously attack people with different opinions. If Keith cares about us so much why was there no "Special Comment" when John Kerry said we all ended up in Iraq because we were too stupid to get an education, or we were terrorizing innocent Iraqi children in the dark of night? Where was Keith's outrage when John Murtha claimed U.S troops were killing innocent Iraqis in "cold blood"? No Worst person in the world? No calls to Re-sign? Of course not..they both have a (D)after their names.

    This guy has some balls for getting on Fox News for being partisan.

    Where can I go to trash KO, or just generally bitch about him. I feel like I'm at Kos or the Free Republic site. I'm looking for an anti-Olbermann site, some place to call him out on his lies, not a message board about the war. Then there are the ubiquitous bovine references. What's that about? I know he's fat as a cow but . . .

    Posted by: at November 18, 2007 3:10 PM


    What's wrong? Upset that you can't preach to the choir?

    4:38 - "What's wrong? Upset that you can't preach to the choir?"

    actually yes. If I went to one of those fangirl sites or Kos they'd tell me it's a pro-KO site and to come back here. So what are you doing at an anti-Olbermann site? Go defend the ass with your fellow loons. I don't invade your space. Think about it, if you're capable of thinking. We're here to discuss what idiotic thing he said or to mock him. Check Olby's own words. "OW is a site created to mock me"
    K. Olbermann Wash Post radio.

    See, even Olby gets it. lol

    OMG. Someone please shut Olby up. He is destroying football night for all with his idiotic puns and nonsensical babbling.

    No, Cecelia is not an Islamofascist sympathizer who has been given at least two network platforms by which to spew socialist and otherwise anti-American ideals. That's definitely Olby.

    Olby's not much of a broadcaster doing highlights. He doesn't enunciate well and his breathing between words is heavy. Costas' wording is crisp and he doesn't seem rushed. Oh, and Costas' jokes are funny but he's far too diplomatice towards KO. Too bad he's such a nice guy on screen because he must be thinking "what did I do to be sitting here with this guy?"

    8:18 is correct; it sounds as if Olby is going to pass out while he's stumbling and bumbling through his stupid highlight comments.

    Anyone ripping apart Olby is right

    Wonder if Cris has been told about dissing KO? God, I miss the good times.

    8:40 is right: The subject is Olbermann Watch, and we watch Olby make an idiot of himself. Typical libnut.

    Cris called Olby and Costas clowns early into the show. I guess Cris is spreading the love all around the panel. Good for him.

    Olbermann should stay where he belongs..the bottom of the barrel of cable news, MSDNC.

    STOP RUINING FOOTBALL NIGHT FATBOY!!

    Olbermann can't even READ without getting winded. Just how out of shape is he? No wonder he can't deliver the goods in the sack. Goodthing he can keep Katy happy with that great big ole' fat. . American Express card of his.

    Roscoe's chicken and waffles just caught a touchdown. I wonder if Olby will use the C&W reference at half-time when he is doing the highlights.

    Probably not, based on the strength of this web site.

    www.myspace.com/keitholbermann

    OK, Maybe Cecelia is the WORST person in the world, after Keith of course. I really think he and Harry Reid would make good wives in Pelican Bay. They'd love Keith's oh so smart looking rectangular glasses. He's so avant garde looking!

    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 18, 2007 11:06 AM


    But is he cool or even Mickey D. cool?...

    Cecelia thinks there is so much a difference between writing her name and going anon.So how many people on this site do you see in the flesh ?
    The importance you subscribe to this blog reveals the emptiness in your life.

    Posted by: Anon b/c it pisses them off at November 18, 2007 11:19 AM


    Spoken by a person who makes an effort to try and piss us off...

    I don't understand.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 18, 2007 10:30 PM


    Shocker......

    From Media Bistro & Blogger Matt Sanchez


    FNC's Bill O'Reilly is in Afghanistan.

    Blogger Matt Sanchez quotes an Army Captain who is charged with arranging media visits at Bagram as saying, "It's not an exaggeration to say [O'Reilly] personally met over 1,200 people in less than 48 hours."

    From Puck:

    MSNBC's Keith Olberman?

    He'd be afraid to walk into a Bodega in the South Bronx!

    At least Rush makes the effort to take the Viagra. Apparently either Olby is too stingy to buy his or can't even get the apparatus working with it. It's so sad.

    News You can use.

    From our trusted (LOL) friends at MSNBC.

    Detroit has just been named most dangerous city in the U.S.

    How long has that town been under Democrat rule?

    1) Detroit
    2) St. Louis
    3) Flint, Mich (Moore's home town isn't it?)
    4) Oakland, CA
    5) Camden, NJ

    All under Democrat rule I do believe.

    Live better under Democrat rule?

    Let me go drink about 5 gallons of Kool-Aid, right now I don't understand.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21870766/

    You think Olby will report about this Monday Night?

    NA!

    "How is it that we castigate Olbermann for an unsubstantiated ability to perform, while we give the Comedian Rush Limbaugh a pass for smuggling Viagra into the country after a weekend with the fellows? I don't understand."

    We do that at LimbaughWatch. Get with the program.

    PEOPLE!! Can't we just get back on the I HATE KEITH bandwagon? Isn't that what made this site great? COME ON!! FOCUS!! Lets take a poll. WHAT IS THE ONE DISEASE THAT YOU WISH KEITH WOULD CATCH????

    MY ANSWER:
    COLON CANCER

    Tune in for the Meltdown train wreck
    With ratings just like a fly speck
    A newscast charade
    The moonbat parade
    Keith's "news" is attacking Glen Beck

    "Has anyone noticed that in the Bill Orally graphic, he is wearing a grey business suit, but that the jacket is cut tux with tails style? That seems very odd to me."---10:34 post

    Anon:

    Excellent observation, young man.
    Nothing says "rake" and/or "scoundrel" quite like a oddly colored and poorly tailored tuxedo.

    Kudos on the humorous juxtaposition of the sartorial faux pas and the falafel reference, a delicious twist. Keep it coming!!!

    A N O N Y M O U S,
    So Bush is causing hate crimes?
    Also isn't any crime hate?

    RK, Drudge has a big red banner headline:

    "CHAVEZ URGES OIL WAR TO FIGHT 'IMPERIALISM'

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aNmE.oybx0H0&refer=worldwide

    Grammie

    A hate crime constitutes whites beating up on blacks. When blacks pulverize whites, it's not a hate crime. They can always claim 'self defense.'

    Asked my dad the same thing once before, hes a cop

    my dad worked as a cop for 35 years in some of nyc hardest areas, my dad is a founding member of the Police Ath league, PAL...

    i ASKED HIM once why isint when a black guy beats up a white guy isint it a hate crime

    my dad as classey a man as there as ever been never broke stride......black guy takes the white guys wallet,,,,,,,thats not a hate crime, thats a crime....

    And thats the difference

    Olbermann is far more lucid and intelligent on the football half-time show than he is on his own MSNBC Comedy Hour.

    Last night he hardly opened his mouth. Obviously his broadcast partners knew that he would only embarrass them.

    So, his silence was the most intelligent thing he ever uttered.

    "Not causing, facilitating, by policies which make prejudice and intolerance acceptable in our society."

    What policies?
    please specify.

    Olbermann is a paranoid leftist with a television show. And a big far ass no matter the cut of the suit. HA!

    *** Olbermann....* fat ass no matter the cut of the suit. HA!

    WHAT IS THE ONE DISEASE THAT YOU WISH KEITH WOULD CATCH????

    MY ANSWER:
    COLON CANCER
    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 19, 2007 8:57 AM


    Don't attribute a wish like that to me, McCool Beans.

    Is Crazy Larry developing an orange hue to fit into his surroundings or is he trying to do his best Carrot Top impression? Redhead creepy redhead.

    A hate crime constitutes whites beating up on blacks. When blacks pulverize whites, it's not a hate crime. They can always claim 'self defense.'

    Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 19, 2007 1:47 PM


    I think hate crime laws are a way of criminalizing thought, but that doesn't mean they should be mischaracterized.

    A hate crime would be violence motivated by hatred towards someone's race, ethnic group, sexual orientation or gender.

    Posted by: at November 19, 2007 9:01 PM

    I just wish Olbermann and his followers would grow a brain.

    Ass ailments are often good for laughs, but the Far Right seems to have a monopoly on them, so I'd have to say Tourette's Syndrome could add a dimension to the broadcast. I realize Johnny-Jeff's Wiener (apparently) suffers from that, but it is unlikely he'll ever get a television show.

    Posted by: Anonymous at November 19, 2007 10:29 AM

    If that's one of your ever so tolerant and enlightened liberal references to non-heterosexuality...(closeted or otherwise) or your usual lumping of sexual fetishes with bisexuality, I suspect there's no greater incidence of such things in Republicans as in other group. That's likely the case for Catholic priests as well. Like shark attack "epidemics"...it's a matter of media publicity, local politics, and shock value.

    It makes me curious as to how you can indulge in such arguments and then go into histrionics at Cee's statement about Democrats and religion.

    If one judged the entire party by the representatives found on this board (see O'liely's post below), Cee's remark is spot-on.

    After demanding an apology from Cee, that is the sort thing you should consider when you make such comments. Whether they are genuinely felt or just for snark.

    I was thinking of piles and Rush Limbaugh.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 19, 2007 9:21 PM

    Your mental health issues are your problem.

    A N O N,

    Would you care to give some examples of:

    "Not causing, facilitating, by policies which make prejudice and intolerance acceptable in our society."

    A N O N,

    Don't be silly. The primary responsibility for taking care of the locals was the city of New Orleans and the state of Lousiana. The voters got it. They got rid of Blanco. The mayer Ray Nagin, is untouchable because he is black and most of his constituents are, too. Anyone who thinks that FEMA is supposed to save the day in any disaster needs to get a clue.

    A N O N Y M O U S,
    Bush causes Hurricanes too now?

    patsy, I agree with Rico. How could I possibly 'debunk' him?

    OLBY is a paranoid leftist with a huge ass and a TV show.

    Is there something wrong with being a lefty, outside of the attacks on the right?

    Just forget about the party denominations, forget the religious related issues (same sex marriage, religion+state, abortion, etc.) for a minute and look at things from a financial perspective:
    *Would you rather be paying thousands of dollars per year in medical bills and insurance, or have it be paid by the government?
    *Would you rather tax the poor and spare the rich, or tax the rich and spare the poor? The majority of America falls into the "poor" category whether you believe it or not.
    *Would you rather put Social Security into the hands of Americans, the most of whom are financially irresponsible, or do you support a steady stream of income after retirement?
    *If you were unable to get a job, be it due to a physical or mental disability (something which a good majority of our troops are experiencing) would you prefer your government helping you out with welfare, or would you prefer no welfare and your government telling you to get a job every chance they can get even though you are unable to work?
    *Would you prefer big business manipulating the stock market? Or would you prefer your government to regulate it so it can not be manipulated?


    You would have to be a fool to support privatized healthcare, tax breaks for the rich, discontinuation of welfare, changes to the current social security system, or a free market system. All of these systems only stand to benefit the rich and the big businesses...both of which are categories which I'm sure 95% of the people who read this blog don't fall under.

    Now we have the transcript from Countdown on November 16, 2007.

    Keith Olbermann called Oliver North "America�s least honored soldier."

    North has a bronze star, a silver star and two Purple Hearts. Doesn't Keith support the troops?

    Where's the outrage about this attack on a Purple Heart and combat medal winner?

    He was bronze because he said we are soon going to see "Victory in Iraq" day sometime soon.

    Um...this guy needs to shut up. I could have sworn that President Bush declared mission accomplished a few years ago...I dont think the mission is accomplished (or anywhere near it) and saying we are going to soon see "VI, Victory in Iraq" day is dumb. We are going to be in Iraq for oh, at least another year.

    Yeah victory in iraq...yeah...right.

    ELEPHANTITUS of the TESTICLES????

    I would like to see Keith's testicles swell to the size of soccer balls so even inhaling is painful.... But hey thats just me.

    Murdered Gay Man's Parents Submit Question For Republican Debate:

    "We're Lynn and Pat Mulder of Auburndale, Florida. Our son Ryan was murdered in March because he was gay. We would like to ask the presidential candidates how will they work to promote the value of gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender families."

    Watch the fuckers squirm with THAT question and then they will answer: NEXT QUESTION !
    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 9:12 PM


    Perhaps Giuliani could address how crime stats for NYC changed under his tenure, WDYT.

    Is it a law and order sort of response you're looking for?...

    Nah, the implication here is that if you don't sign on to an entire set of social mores that it's tantamount to placing the gun in some bigot's hand.

    One part of that "set" is same-sex marriage of which most of the Democratic candidates shy away from as well.

    I have said many times, if conservatives are not for having more dead and wounded soldiers and civilians in Iraq, we're for having suffering, dying, and dead something else.

    These are the "scare tactics" that WDYT and his ilk have fostered for decades now.


    OR put his punk head in a large vice and slowly squeez until the 3 lbs of pimple juice in there squirt out the ear.
    I'm not angry.

    I would like to see Keith's testicles swell to the size of soccer balls so even inhaling is painful.... But hey thats just me.

    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 20, 2007 9:32 PM


    I guess someone doesn't like the truth about the lies and hypocrisy of the Administration getting out...

    I would like to see Keith's testicles swell to the size of soccer balls so even inhaling is painful.... But hey thats just me.
    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 20, 2007 9:32 P

    But the president whose policies ARE hurting people, let's not mention, eh Mr. Cool ?

    Asshole.

    Posted by: at November 20, 2007 9:34 PM

    Listen you myopic jackass. You can be overwhelmed by the abusive and omnipresent media all you want. They are playing POLITICS. The short term stuff. Bush is looking at history, the LONG term. he doesn't care about his place in opinion polls given by jackass 20 somethings with way too much time on their hands. He's thinking about how his watch will be viewed in 25 or 50 years. And here's a news brief moron, the enemies ARE at the gates. Put your head in the sand some more. Christ I can just imagine assholes like you in the 1940s or 1860s with this predatory media. LINCOLN IS A WAR CRIMINAL. ROOSEVELT IS A WAR CRIMINAL. Keep running your mouth until you don't have the RIGHT to run it anymore because you will get your head chopped off for questioning the govt. You make me sick. If you dont mind, I'll return to my fantasy Keith bashing. Talking to people who cant see past the end of their nose bores me.

    sincerely
    McCool

    Also, did you hear that Bush wants injured Iraq troops to pay back their enlistment bonuses?
    Sad but true again.

    Let's hear your excuse for this one, Ceals.


    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 10:01 PM

    YEAH BUSH wants that. Like he even HEARD about that before it was reported. You don't think that was the decision of some moronic By The Book bureaucrat number cruncher? That WILL be reversed, guaranteed.

    -----
    Bush is looking at history, the LONG term. he doesn't care about his place in opinion polls given by jackass 20 somethings with way too much time on their hands. He's thinking about how his watch will be viewed in 25 or 50 years. And here's a news brief moron, the enemies ARE at the gates.
    ====

    BUSH ON Mt. RUSHMORE NOW!
    BUSH ON Mt. RUSHMORE NOW!
    BUSH ON Mt. RUSHMORE NOW!

    Posted by: WOW! ANOTHER DUMBFUCK APOLOGIST! at November 20, 2007 10:08 PM

    Thats actually funny.
    and apologist NO. Realist Yeah

    The wingnuts have a brand new excuse for the worst president in history.
    That boogieman bureaucratic number cruncher is to blame.

    Your idiots are so predictable.


    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 10:15 PM

    WAIT! What does Jimmy Carter have to do with this?? Do you seriously think he personally reviews all of these programs? Is he responsible for the people he places in charge of them? Yes. But be honest with yourself, he's got a few things on his plate.

    Oh and in case you think I'm some right wing fanatic. The last 4 presidential elections I voted Clinton, Clinton, Gore, Bush. I SHUDDER to think how that moron schister Gore would have handled 9/11.

    Seriously, lets not forget what this forum is. Lets talk about Keith and some violent illness, shall we?

    Patsy,

    It is time for you to understand that the main thing revealed by your posts is that you have never had sex with a human. Since you have never had sex with a human you wouldn't understand that.

    Also, there is a rumour going around that your Mommy is very angry at you. It seems that you left your jammies on the floor again!

    You're right again. That turkey photo-op today at the White House must have drained him.

    Which reminds me...
    Thanksgiving memories:

    Remember when Bush made a secret trip to Iraq on Thanksgiving and served up that fake plastic turkey for the troops in yet another embarrassing photo-op !

    Yes, Cool. "It's Hard"...It's "hard work" being an incompetent( and disgraceful) president !

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 10:24 PM

    Come on! Ok, who's you guy/gal? who's going to do a better job?
    Hillary? Angry, bitter, crooked
    Obama Hussein? Naive at best hopefully not the Manchurian candidate.
    Pretty boy $400 haircut, the lawyer everyman? Fake shallow jackass.
    If they could put up a respectable candidate with some common sense and a backbone like Lieberman, i'd vote for them. Until that happens, i'll choose Rudy, McCain or Romney, I don't care who makes the final cut. Over those Dem choices? absoultely
    Oh and disgraceful and incompetent? Oh the glory years of 1996-1998....

    It probably has something to do with his ineptitude.

    DON'T MIND THAT!

    BUSH ON Mt. RUSHMORE NOW!
    BUSH ON Mt. RUSHMORE NOW!
    BUSH ON Mt. RUSHMORE NOW!

    Posted by: WHY CAN'T WE BUSHWIPES GET MORON IN CHIEF ON Mt. RUSHMORE at November 20, 2007 10:27 PM

    Thats it, keep shouting down people you disagree with. kinda reminds me of the West bank, I hope youre burning an American flag while youre typing, just to keep in the moment.
    Seriously, I was content just talking about what an asshole Olbersphincter is.

    Actually GW BUsh is rated lower than Carter, and he has another year to sink to even lower depths.

    Keep hoping you fatalistic jackass. Seriously , it sounds like you people want this country to go down the shitter. are any of you old enough to remember the late 70's? 20% interest rates, Iran, Afghanistan. Yes he was responsible for both of them. Carter's term was an abortion. Wear a sweater, that'll fix it. Its so much easier to sit back and criticize. Point a finger, well four more are pointed right back at you. why dont you advocate something useful like term limits for the parasites in congress. They should be limited to 24 years max. We have 80 year old , nearly dementia prone obstructionist people making decisions here. Would you trust someone that old with any of your personal decisions?

    How many muslims did you kill today?

    None? Again?

    With fearless BU$HWIPES LIKE YOU, Chimpocracy is bound to spray like wild fire.

    You witty bastard.
    They are scared of him like the Soviets were scared of Reagan. You wait and see how the threat grows if your pussy Obama or Hillary get in charge

    Even the burned out Euros are opening their eyes to this world. They are the second line right after the mideast and they know it. Go live in the Netherlands for a little while and tell me how good it is to live in a quasi socialist utopia. You finger in your ears, foot stomping temper tantrum throwing children will not open your eyes until the next attack here. Luckily you have the luxury of being the contrarian. how good for you. i have children I care about the world they will inherit

    I SHUDDER to think how that moron schister Gore would have handled 9/11.
    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 20, 2007 10:23 PM

    Pretty hard to top the Chimpster's glorious success in Iraq, Eh Cool ?

    The more you post the deeper in do do you get.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 10:51 PM

    I believe i already made the point about looking past the end of your nose. Gore would have handled the whole situation spectacularly. Lets build a consensus (like the bullshit on existent manmade CO2 global warming scare he is terrifying children with to line his own pocket) Lets ask the EU, the UN, they are respectable and have such a stellar history at getting positive things accomplished, let look at their peace keeping mission history. Lets just keep waiting, maybe the danger will go away like it did in 1938. The United States military has been the most successful vehicle for human freedom in history. How do you reconcile reality with your talking points? Do you have a sister. mother, wife, daughter? Would you want them to grow up under Sharia law? Oh you showed your hair, sorry, I have to stone you to death. You got raped? You whore, 200 lashes. grow up. Evil does exist in this world. Yes, the preferred way of Western Civ is to be diplomatic. But you cant be diplomatic with crazy. These people never evolved past the middle ages.

    I'm sorry I cant play anymore. I have things to do in the morning. I guess i should thank you naive people for letting me rant. Although all I wanted to say was I hate Keith. Why do I hate him so? Its unhealthy. Seriously, if he just got electrcuted on the set some day, his face frozen, his hair smoking... I think O'reilly would even have amoment of silence for that


    McCool

    Gore wouldn't have attacked a country that didn't attack us. He wouldn't have made this humongus foreign policy mistake that the neocons did...for starters.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 11:05 PM


    alGore would have been too busy trying to keep his kid off drugs and booze to do jack shit.

    SHUDDER to think how that moron schister Gore would have handled 9/11.
    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 20, 2007 10:23 PM

    Gore wouldn't have attacked a country that didn't attack us. He wouldn't have made this humongus foreign policy mistake that the neocons did...for starters.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 11:05 PM

    Spoken like a true appeasing coward.
    Don't be scared, We kicked the shit out of the Japanese and they were a hell of a lot more fanatical than these pajama wearing cowards who use babies strapped with bombs. we'll kick their ass too. You just sit back and take no responsibility for your self or your future. Someone else will make sure you have your God given right to dissent and act all self righteous in these all important blogs. Don't you worry. It will probably take one more big attack on us to wak us up again. These idiots don't get the idea of keep poking the sleeping tiger. They wont be satisfied until the kabaa is a glass parking lot and we are off oil and they can eat their sand and drink their oil

    like the bullshit on existent manmade CO2 global warming scare he is terrifying children with to line his own pocket)
    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 20, 2007 11:04 PM

    This is the prototypical right wing ignorance that just makes you look like a dope.

    "But you cant be diplomatic with crazy. These people never evolved past the middle ages."
    Posted by: Jim McCool at November 20, 2007 11:04 PM

    Fighting with an army against an opponent w/o an army makes sense, how ?

    This is another fallacy by the common sense diminished neocons. Fighting terrorism with indiscriminate war is not only stretching our military to the breaking point but bankrupting our country.
    And you want more of the same?
    You're not too bright, are you !

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 11:17 PM

    First: watch the Great Global Warming Swindle, it was produced by the BBC. the "consensus" is inaccurate summarization of scientific data by politicians. Its all bullshit like the Ice Age scare in the 70s. Al gore will look like an even huger asshole in 5 to 10 years, but he will be richer.

    Second:eh, why bother, you are probably high on ecstasy, red bull and whatever. I dont have the energy to open your eyes. I'm not saying we need another war. we'll probably get one with the sweaty mullahs. But you just give up. Isolationism worked so well for us after World war I.

    didn't you people like me more when I was just talking about Keith getting prostate cancer?

    Good bye

    algore" ...You see...the purpose is to try to diminish him.
    Diminish him because he's a democrat. Diminish him because of the huge success he has had in educating the world on the climate crisis.
    Diminish him because he's a disgraceful NOBEL PEACE PRIZE winner.
    Name a republican who has accomplished even half of what Al Gore has, since Al won the popular vote in 2000.

    As usual, you wingnuts got nothing !

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 11:27 PM

    OK, I HAVE to respond to this. when you are old and still smoking dope and Al Gore's global warming scare is ancient history, like Global cooling. I hope you remember how passionate you were about your hero. Keith is the ONLY person more despicable than Al Gore right now.

    instead Chimpster is going on a Mission from God, to spray Chimpocracy on the Middle East.

    "It will probably take one more big attack on us to wak us up again."

    Soooo, you mean Chimpster trampling over the Constitution did jackshit to protect us?

    BUSH ON Mt. RUSHMORE NOW!

    BUSH ON Mt. RUSHMORE NOW!

    BUSH ON Mt. RUSHMORE NOW!


    Posted by: Now the STUPID FUCK DOESN'T WANT OIL at November 20, 2007 11:25 PM

    I see trampling the constitution didnt shut your ignorant bong sucking mouth

    Don't you guys have some fake waterboarding to do in public while wearing your pink jumpsuits?

    Seriously goodbye
    Quit sucking me in with this blatant ignorance

    I have said many times, if conservatives are not for having more dead and wounded soldiers and civilians in Iraq, we're for having suffering, dying, and dead something else.
    Posted by: Cecelia at November 20, 2007 9:44 PM

    Sad but true.

    Actually you're even better for excluding segments of our citizenry( as in the gay population) because of your strong Christian beliefs.

    Also, did you hear that Bush wants injured Iraq troops to pay back their enlistment bonuses?
    Sad but true again.

    Let's hear your excuse for this one, Ceals.


    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 20, 2007 10:01 PM


    Recheck the enlistment bonuses bit of news, Bobo...
    There's been an update.

    Democrats didn't sign on to gay marriage and a Democratic president signed onto the don't ask-don't tell military policy.

    I'm for gay civil unions and against the military policy, but I know I'm in the minority of Americans.

    You're so quick to argue that a majority turn against the war is some sort of evidence of commonsense....

    Since you're the one who feels that a majority sentiment = validation for a political position, perhaps you could extend your thinking to these issues, as well as the majority sentiment on school prayer... gun control, creationism taught with evolution...

    Politicians do that in order to compromise, rather than call constiuents names or accuse them of abetting murder.

    Perhaps you should consider that too, at some point in your fevered existence...

    The Surge is working- open your shades. Climb out of your caves you american hating dems. The surge is working. Read a paper, turn to page 20 of your New York Times... the surge is working.

    True democratic talking point... beat the line to death and the idiots will pick it up as fact.
    Bush lied.
    Iraq is lost.

    Two fallacies the loons can't let go. Fun to watch your bitter antiamerican rants.

    What will you do when we win the war? Simple question. You shudder at the answer.

    Do you believe that creationism should be taught with evolution, Cecelia?

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 21, 2007 10:42 AM

    No and yes. Not in the sense that it is federally mandated. Yes, in the sense that local school boards and communities can determine what they wish to do in their school/s.

    Wasted Keystrokes,

    I don't what you're reading but McClelland thinks that Bush had no idea that Rove and Libby had talked to Marc Cooper and Judy Miller, respectively.

    McClelland told Larry King, ""Well, Larry, I said what I believed to be true at the time. It was also what the president believed to be true at the time based on assurances that we were both given. Knowing what I know today, I would have never said that back then."

    Rove and Libby passed on information that Wilson's wife used her influence to send him on that fact-finding mission.... when Wilson had implied in his NYT's op-ed that the VP's office had selected him.

    Now did Rove and Libby "know" it was illegal to out Plame, when the CIA won't even make that judgement and a highly motivated special prosecutor wouldn't even bring charges on it... DOUBTFUL....

    Did Libby and Rove try to protect their butts from any possible charges, implications, and circumstantial evidence that they had total and complete knowledge of it... (before they knew that Fitzgerald would have to prove they knew something that the CIA DID NOT know...) to the point it got Libby indicted... yeah...(and THAT Is stretching it... because both Miller and Cooper "misremebered things now and again, as thoroughly as LIbby did the thing that got him the perjury charge.)

    McClelland is saying... I just said what Rove and Libby intimated to me AND to the president...

    If you can get anything more out of any of this than what's already been revealed, have at it.

    Then go fill out an application. Fitzgerald's office needs you...

    Honestly, it was a fascinating 2 hours. I recommend it highly to people on the fence or those who think its ok at the local level.

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 21, 2007 11:46

    Well, the whole argument here is that it's not okay to decide such things at a locally elected level because it's already been decided that it's not okay to decide such things at a locally elected level...

    Duh....

    My point is...that it SHOULD be...

    Saw it Wasted Keystrokes and you leave out some very imprtant subtle facts overlooked by NOVA....

    In the final interview with the judge in the case, he made it clear that there was another influence on his judgement. He believed the intermingling of science and faith would degrade science....that if science was placed at the same level of scepticism as faith is, that advances for cancer research and the like would diminish.

    This opinion wieghed heavily on him as he was protecting the technological quality of the public school system's eduacting abilitites. His final point had nothing to do with the seperation of church and state or even what is science and the scientific method....He saw himself as protecting the integrity of of sicence for the practical matter, as he saw it, of allowing technological advances to progress.

    This is an opinion of fear and has no basis in truth. As you can see by the lovely discussion I had with another fundamentalist secularist, wannawipe, the naturalist theory of the origins of life on earth are no totallly and objectively accountable to the scientific method and are presented as dogmatic ideas.

    All of the lawyers and participants on the plantiff's side had an extra-constitutional agenda of "protecting science" from religion....This is the real agenda and it is one born of fear and hatred. Essentially, the theory of the origins of life through only the process of Darwinian evolution from inert inorganic molecules requires more assumptions and unprovable components than the simplist of religious explainations and is the dirty little secret of the evolutionary biologist.

    That argument SHOULD be allowed in the public school system and in the university and it is not. The dogmatic inquisition like wannawipe's "RAISE YOUR PAW IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION!" is no different than any other....but when it is from a scientist that claims the scientific method is in force (while it is not in reality), simpletons like wannawipe just accept it as "gospel."

    Oh dear, did I once again expose the secular humanist exclusive claim to the public education system of The United States of America?....Sorry.

    Surely you don't think both he and Cheney knew nothing about this, as they claimed when the topic was fresh and hot, do you?

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 21, 2007 11:52 AM


    Well go with your worst case scenario, that Bush and Cheney knew EVERYTHING.

    So what does EVERYTHING encompass? It encompasses the fact that the president knew that neither Rove nor Libby had talked about Plame to Novak (THE reason for the investigation) but both Rove and Libby told reporters that Wilson was not sent by the VP's office, he was sent by the CIA at the urging of his wife.

    If you're going to argue that when Bush said what he did... he already knew he was guilty of doing something the CIA wouldn't do--- giving Plame a status that would make outing her illegal.... then the question is moot...

    However, if you think Bush didn't know her status either and was sincere in what he said about dealing with such a leak, then what Rove and Libby did still does NOT constitute what it would have logically taken to commit such a crime--- a high level CIA leak of Plame's special agent status to a WH operative (Plame, Libby, Armitage) who would then leak to the press.... and Bush knew this didn't happen...

    If you can make that case that it did happen...then have at it. Your betters couldn't...


    Oh and you other point about McClellan....the quote does not say any of those men said they told him to lie...they told him that they were not the leakers and that was never shown not to be the case even with the conviction of Libby who was convicted only on the procedural crimes...never on leaking the name of Plame....

    So Wasted, you are wrong again.....Mr. Armitage outed Ms. Plame and remains unconvicted of that admitted mistake as well....Nothing Bush or Cheney or even Rove and Libby said has ever been shown to be a lie....You want to make it seem that it has, but it has not.

    If McClellan has evidence that Rove etc. knew who the original leaker and told him otherwise, then you would have something new here....but that is not the case. There has been no proof of the original allegation and that is why Rove and Libby were never convicted of outing a CIA agent.

    Duh?
    It should be ok to violate the Constitution at the local level? Interesting.

    Having kids learn creationism over evolution is a violation of church and state. That shouldn't be enforcable at ANY level.

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 21, 2007 12:04 PM

    I think it's a wrong interpretation of church and state issues that came about in the late 1950's to early 60's. That's why your argument about the decision of a judge was moot starting from what you should have read from my original statement.

    It's the reason, as well, that I'm for school vouchers which would facilitate parents in sending their children to schools that reflected their own beliefs and opinions on the matter, in way that the Supreme Court ruling usurped the opinon of locally elected officials.

    If you care to judge the "tolerance factor" of this equation... remember that it cuts either way...from local schools in Berkley, CA to Laurel, Mississippi.

    The alternative xplainations for the observed taxonomy have not been disproven....even NOVA covered the fact that although in the plantiff's cross-examination scored rhetorical points regarding the ID explainations and arguments of Darwinian evolution, the final judgement was made on the "creationism" to "ID" line and the judge's worry about US competitiveness in technology.

    I was again challenge you and any biologist to show me proof of macroevolution....you cannot....It is assumed by the proposed taxonomy and imposition of dating techniques that also assume things that the physciology and anatomy we see today all occurred only under the influence of natural selection. However, this has never been shown, only theorized as ocurring in the past. One can easily see microevolution in species, but the drving creative force, macroevolution, is assumed to have taken place.

    ID's alternative explaination has never been disproved and is reasonable.....The fact that macroevolution can not be tested under the scientific method makes it on par with ID.

    This point was never discussed in the NOVA show....

    Nor was the implausability of the primordial soup theory and that that cannot be tested under the scientific method.

    Intelligent design is an alternative untestable explaination to another untestable explaination called natural selection in regards to explaining the origin of life....

    Oh and this idea in no way diminishes a person's ability to advance technology and be a great scientist.

    hen what DID happen, Cecelia?
    Why did Scooter get sentenced?
    Why did Bush commute him after he decided accountability was in order?
    Why would a central figure in this like McClellan determine that all five of them were involved?

    Wow. I guess I was wrong. I guess this was a great incident in American history.
    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 21, 2007 12:24 PM

    Well, your next "why" should be.... "Why can't I read?"

    I don't know why you can't read, Wasted Keystrokes.

    It was decided both by the Supreme Court and by this judge, independantly.
    Both times it was determined that creationism was the book of Genesis masquerading as science.

    The top scientific minds in the world all conclude this as well.
    That's not to say that a local school board can't be right and that they can't be wrong, but I'll take my chances with the people that dedicate their lives to this science.

    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at November 21, 2007 12:32 PM

    This is emblematic of what you get when you engage in such arguments with some folks...

    Top scientists say creationism ain't science because you can't prove there is a deity....

    Now THERE'S a news flash....


    Therefore if the local parents elect local school officials who want to act like there IS a deity.... and make some sort of caveat for evolution in the classes... then you have to get a judge in there and scientists to tell them they can't...

    So I say, but they should be allowed to bring it in or not bring it in anyway, if the majority of the pop wants/doesn't want it, regardless of judges and scientists.... and WKS, says NO, because judges and scientists don't want it...

    WKS, why'd you ask me in the first place, if all you were going to do is engage in a circular argument?

    Wasted, when Novak's column was printed there were only four people who knew that Valerie Plame, CIA employee, was responsible for her husband going to Niger rather than at the demand/request of the VP: Valerie Plame; Joe Wilson; Richard Armitage; Robert Novak.

    That number increased to six people within days of Fitzpatrick beginning his investigation into who leaked Plame's name to include Colin Powell and Fitizpatrick himself.

    It was a long investigation of a non crime* whose perpertrator was already known to the investigator.

    If you think a short excerpt from McClennan's book is proof positive of all that lying you certainly have the right to think and express that. First, the excerpt is not that definitive. Second, as far as I have ever read, there is only wild speculation that it was Rove, Cheney, Bush, etc who put Armitage up to it. Additionally, both Powell and especially Armitage were not supporters of the admin's position on Iraq, rather quite the opposite.

    Grammie

    *No one was ever accused of committing the felony of outing a covert CIA operative. The entire investigation was of procedure.

    "It was a long investigation of a non crime*"

    "No one was ever accused of commiting the felony of outing a covert CIA operative. The entire investigation was of procedure."

    Just because no one was "accused" of commiting a crime does NOT mean a crime wasn't commited. It simply mean't the prosecutor didn't feel he could prove a crime was commited by any specific individual beyond a reasonable doubt.

    A great wrong was commited if nothing else.

    So much for the Olbermann watch, eh. Guess some people just don't know when they're being diverted. Nice move Olby lovers! You did you job well.

    A great wrong was commited if nothing else.

    Posted by: Mike at November 21, 2007 4:45 PM


    Would Ted Kennedy leaving the scene of an accident (which led to a 'needless' death) be considered a 'great wrong' to you, 'mike?' Would BJ abbusing the oval office be a 'great wrong' to you, 'mike?' Answers will be used for comparison, only.

    Think has been posting the same comments in multiple threads again. Isn't that a banning offense around here? Should be if it's not. As I posted in another thread here in reponse to Think's latest childish and naiive tirade, presidents and their men lie to their press secretaries. That's how the game is played in DC. Don't believe me? How about this quote from a certain Democratic president, "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky." Only that was a lie too. But he sent his loyal press secretary out to face the press and uphold the lie. See how the game is played? Get it now? Or does your memory only extend to GOP presidents?

    "Would Ted Kennedy's leaving the scene of an accident (which led to a 'needless' death) be considered a 'great wrong' to you 'mike'?"

    Of course it was Jeff!

    Now was there a point to your rhetorical question?

    "Would BJ abbusing the Oval Office be a 'great wrong' to you 'mike?

    Once again Jeff, of course it was.

    ANd once again, what was the point of your rhetorical questions?

    Violence is down by 50% since the beginning of the surge. New businesses are opening on a daily basis. How will the un-American troop haters spin this? God bless our troops!

    "How will the un-American troop haters spin this?"

    You mean how Al Qeada in Iraq will spin it? Or how about Al Qeada outside Iraq? Or do you mean Hamas?

    Because I suspect that what you're REALLY doing is talking about other Americans who, unlike yourself, don't happen to buy into the myth that America's best interests lie in endless occupations of other countries.

    Some of us just happen to believe that keeping our troops in harm's way for what we believe to be convoluted and illogical reasons is the ultimate manifestation of 'troop hating'!

    So once again Jeff, what YOU don't understand is that calling other patriotic Americans "un-American" or "troop haters" for expressing honest opinions about what is best for America and it's future is itself as un-American as you can possibly get.

    And that makes YOU the one who is actually un-American!

    That said, I suspect you will never understand this very simple concept.

    And that makes YOU the one who is actually un-American!

    That said, I suspect you will never understand this very simple concept.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 12:42 PM


    I am as American as they come, 'mike.' I applaud good news from Iraq. Unlike you. You immediately discount good news and start spewing the same ole far left talking points/crap. "Endless occupation!" (ding!) "convoluted!" (ding!) I understand the simple and sad concept that you have no desire to win this war. Thanks for nothing.

    Jeff: "I am as American as they come"....but you keep saying un-American things!

    The fact that you fail to understand my positions does not make anything I say "talking points". It's so easy for mindless followers like yourself to dismiss anything and everything you don't like as "talking points' because that way you are never forced to consider the merits of the arguments you are summarily dismissing.

    You've been asked as least one hundred times to define what you mean by "win this war", but you have yet to give an intelligent response to that question - not one time! It's nothing but a slogan...and you are chock full of meaningless slogans.

    You show your own ugly un-American traits every time you attack other Americans for having contrary ideas....and THAT is preceisely why I once said you would have been a Nazi Brown Shirt if you had lived in 1930s Germany. History tells us that the patriots were the real traitors....and yet they failed to understand that simple fact while screaming at others for their so called lack of patriotism.

    Therefore, from my perspective, YOU are one of the "un-American troop haters".

    BTW, just SAYING you are "as American as they come" doesn't make it so!



    Like I said before. I understand the simple and sad concept that you have no desire to win this war. Thanks for nothing.


    And as I've said many times before, you cannot define "win this war".

    It's a meaningless slogan. At least I understand that.

    Happy Thanksgiving anyway. After all, you can't help your ignorance.

    Vindication huh? Well perhaps before you go quoting what someone has said you might want to make sure that quote is correct. Little Scottie is now denying that the president ever lied to him.

    The flaming fool here is you dear 8:14 PM Anonymous. You can't seem to distinguish between a publisher's hype to promote an upcoming book and what the author himself said.

    Right...even though he said it in his own words.
    Someone obviously got to him as soon as the story broke. And now you believe the revised version.
    Of course you would, you flaming fool !

    osted by: at November 22, 2007 8:14 PM


    I've googled this and I can't find it.

    Please cut and paste or link it. I'd like to see it.

    Cecelia, it is from a column at Slate

    http://www.slate.com/id/2178467/nav/tap3/

    Just one excerpt:

    "When the book excerpt came out Tuesday, I was skeptical because McClellan said the five administration officials had been "involved" in putting out the bogus information. The word was too vague. It could have meant many different things. With respect to Rove and Libby, McClellan was already on the record saying that they'd misled him. But was he now saying the same thing about Bush, Cheney and Card? If so, why didn't McClellan just say so? I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration knew it. That would be big news, indeed.

    The reason McClellan chose the vague language is that he isn't saying in his book that the top officials were involved in the cover-up—at least not all of them. "What Scott is saying is that it was clear that he was given information that was wrong," says McClellan's publisher, Peter Osnos. "Two of the people, Rove and Libby, knew it was wrong. But he has no reason to believe that the president didn't think it was true. Andy Card did not think it was wrong. It's kinda ambiguous about Dick Cheney." (It's always that way with the vice president.)"

    Looks like John Dickerson and I both agree that the statement was not definitive in any way.

    Hope you had a good Thanksgiving and did some killer shopping today.

    Grammie

    Hope you had a good Thanksgiving and did some killer shopping today.

    Grammie
    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 23, 2007 7:47 PM

    Oh, my goodness, Grammie, I have had and am having a wonderful Thanksgiving.

    Hope you and everyone else is having a grand time as well.

    Thanks for the Slate info, but it's the same ole same ole as far as I can tell.

    Should Libby and Rove have considered themselves as "leakers" in a situation where Cooper called Rove and asked him to confirm the info on Plame and Libby and Miller had been talking about it via...the info that Armitage had already leaked to Novak.


    "Someone got to him before the story broke". Ahh yes, yet another liberal "conspiracy theory" at work. They love conspiracy theories, they weave them constantly.

    McClellan has denied that he implicates Bush in his upcoming book. I know you have difficulty with reading comprehension and thinking is a stretch for you but you really do need to make sure you have the LATEST on a story before doing your little cut and paste jobs here on Owatch.

    Cecelia, I haven't read it yet because I found this at Newsbusters about the McClennan book excerpt.

    "Without peeking, do you think the now infamous excerpt from White House press secretary Scott McClellan's not yet written book specifically referred to Valerie Plame Wilson, or anything to do with that scandal?"

    Looks interesting to me.

    Grammie

    Olby is now saying that if given the choice, he'd just do his NFL football gig, NOT Countdown.

    Face it Loons, you've been HAD!

    Olby's "liberal stance" was nothing more than a marketing gimmick by someone who once said that he'd vote for John McCain. And you brought it, hook, line, and sinker.

    Olbermann doesn't care about Joe Wilson or Valerie Plame in the least, what he cares about is drawing in gulliables like YOU 8:38 to watch his little cable tv program.

    Oh, and one more thing? Perhaps your "impeachment" pleas would be better spent on your Democratic leaders, Pelosi & crew who have taken impeachment OFF the table.

    Note the disdain for capitalism. If you let the Olbyloons rule the earth, this country would be a socialist state. Note their love for Catro, Chavez and their ilk.

    And did I mention that Olby wants to leave his OWN show?

    Just check out Olby's ebay profile (merkle923) if you want to find out how muh Olby believes in supporting the "consumer culture". The man is an Ebay addict who thinks nothing of dropping tens of thousands on baseball cards every month. Shouldn't he be giving some of that money to fund the Democratic causes he pushes on his little tv show? Oh right. He doesn't BELIEVE in your little liberal causes, he believes in himself and in milking his ratings for every drop he can get. There's your hero Liberal Idiot du jour!

    He really shouldn't ever talk without a script beause he just babbles. Sometimes he does that with his questions, he stutters and drones on and the guest has little chance to answer. Of course the guest just echoes what Olby says so it doesn't really matter.

    He gives things that are free for him to give, like an autographed picture.

    I agree 10:18--Olbermann simply doesn't know when to shut up. He bables incessently when given the opportunity, and it's when he shoots his mouth off that he gets into trouble. Like the Leona vs. Lopez comment. Like the "I'd rather be doing sports" comment. But look at it this way, they are perfect examples of why the more intelligent of us get that Olbermann is a lying hack who would do or say anything if he thought it could get him attention. His "fans" haven't figured that out yet. But with every interview he gets, the real Keith Olbermann emerges and the truth isn't pretty. Why do you think that the Olbyloons here spend so much time diverting threads away from attention on Olby? They know the truth but they can't quite admit it, not even to themselves apparently.

    And the lefties take great pride and happiness in any American defeat. They are a greater danger to our society and way of life than any enemy could ever be.

    No coverage because it's not news.

    What is a "slideshow", Bobo?

    Did you catch this, Bobo?

    I hope you are not too disappointed to learn that our Iraq soldiers/veterans are NOT committing suicide in unseemly droves as you so garishly and proudly shouted at us last week.

    Just link on the Red Meat Mini-blog and weep:

    # CBS' BOGUS VET-SUICIDE STATS

    ITS 'SCANDAL' NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP
    # CBS lied, veterans died

    Ta Ta,

    Grammie

    YAY!

    Only SOME committed suicide! Let's party!

    And the lefties take great pride and happiness in any American defeat. They are a greater danger to our society and way of life than any enemy could ever be.

    Posted by: Liberal Loons Hate Their Country at November 24, 2007 4:35 PM

    Actually, I very much love my country.

    In the words of Billy Bragg:
    "Here comes the future and you can't run from it
    If you've got a blacklist, I wanna be on it"

    Marxie, you beat Bobo. Quite a feather in your cap I would think.

    Might I point out that this statement by you is asinine:

    "YAY!

    Only SOME committed suicide! Let's party! "

    A FALSE report of Iraq soldiers/vets supposedly committing suicide in unprecedented numbers, and then triumphantly and gleefully used as a club, is pathological.

    TA TA,

    Grammie

    Grammie

    Bobo, is this the best you can do to answer the substance of my comment. The 'slideshow' was just a little gotcha to the 'Perfessor'.

    "Why don't you watch it and find out?
    Maybe "silent" films would be more your cup of tea.
    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 25, 2007 2:10 AM

    I notice that you not only did not answer my comment but you ran away from it full steam ahead.

    Grammie

    Who should we believe?

    Whoever gathers info and uses that info in an honest way.

    So, prove to me that CBS correlated all the data properly such as Iraqi soldiers/vets compared to their civilian counterparts based on the same criteria of age and sex.

    Grammie

    Marxie, you beat Bobo. Quite a feather in your cap I would think.

    Might I point out that this statement by you is asinine:

    "YAY!

    Only SOME committed suicide! Let's party! "

    A FALSE report of Iraq soldiers/vets supposedly committing suicide in unprecedented numbers, and then triumphantly and gleefully used as a club, is pathological.

    TA TA,

    Grammie


    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 25, 2007 2:27 AM


    Hello Grammie, Hope you had a good Thanksgiving!

    I just think that even if it was one soldier per every 100,000 soldiers that commits suicide, it shouldn't be happening. It's a really sad sight to see. Personally, I know two soldiers that have recently came back from Iraq and both are suffering from chronic paranoia and deep depression.

    Chicken Blogger, when you copy and paste without attribution you only confirm that you are a chicken.

    " "The commitment of this administration to women's rights in Iraq is unshakable." [Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, 3/9/04]
    Posted by: at November 25, 2007 2:44 AM"

    I read this earlier at Think Progress.

    Bobo, was that you?

    Oh Boooboooo, was that you?

    Grammie

    Marxie, so you expect of the young men and women who voluntarily serve in our military to be WHAT? As you said:

    "I just think that even if it was one soldier per every 100,000 soldiers that commits suicide, it shouldn't be happening."

    Exactly how do you propose that out of a million plus people we distinguish those who have the same traits as their peers so that we reject them and their suicide is on their own shoulders rather than the shoulders of those who disagree with you.

    The men and women who serve are not magically absolved of all their human traits and foibles. They are still the same part of the demograhic that they were before they enlisted.

    The CBS report was contrived. Comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges our military men and women are very much like their civilian counterparts.

    Grammie

    "Janet sure gave up that Red Meat mini blog argument quickly.
    ( It was pretty embarrassing)
    She's a lot like RK. When she loses a debate, she goes off the deep end or changes subjects( or wonders who's posting.)"

    No dear Chicken Blogger. I admit that I am a lot slower than I ever was and also very much slower now compared to most.

    Add that to my never having learned to type and my just over a year using a PC and the internet and there you have it.

    Grammie

    Chicken Blogger, are you sure you want to stand by this statement:

    "If you actually read my post it states very clearly that "NBC Nightly News aired a segment about a "wave of violence that's gone largely unreported lately against women in Iraq."

    I think information from 2007 is more accurate than yours from 2004.


    Posted by: at November 25, 2007 3:09 AM"

    I simply pointed out that you come by your appellation, Chicken Blogger, honestly because you copy and paste with no attribution.

    You stole your words from:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/24/women-iraq/

    I said nothing and i quoted nothing.

    Let me demonstrate your plagiarism:

    Chicken Blogger followed by Think Progress:

    ###########
    ‘Wave Of Violence’ Against Women In Iraq Undercuts Bush’s Claims Of Success

    ‘Wave Of Violence’ Against Women In Iraq Undercuts White House’s Claims Of Success
    ###########

    CB followed by TP again
    ###########
    In recent weeks, the Bush administration has cited declining violence in Iraq as evidence of the success. Earlier this month, President Bush said that Iraqis are slowly "taking back their country."

    In recent weeks, the Bush administration has cited declining violence in Iraq as evidence of the success. Earlier this month, President Bush said that Iraqis are slowly “taking back their country.”

    ###########
    But last night, NBC Nightly News aired a segment about a "wave of violence that's gone largely unreported lately against women in Iraq." The report noted that Iraqi women, once "the most emancipated in the Arab world," are increasingly unable to walk around without a hijab, wear cosmetics, or work. Watch the report to your right.

    But last night, NBC Nightly News aired a segment about a "wave of violence that's gone largely unreported lately against women in Iraq." The report noted that Iraqi women, once "the most emancipated in the Arab world," are increasingly unable to walk around without a hijab, wear cosmetics, or work. Watch the report to your right.

    So far Chicken is batting a thousand. lets go on:
    ############

    Bush has largely ignored the deteriorating plight of Iraqi women, choosing instead to cite signs of “progress.” Yet earlier in the war, he and other administration officials repeatedly claimed that the rights of Iraqi women were “inseparable” to success:

    Bush has largely ignored the deteriorating plight of Iraqi women, choosing instead to cite signs of "progress." Yet earlier in the war, he and other administration officials repeatedly claimed that the rights of Iraqi women were "inseparable" to success:

    Chicken is still batting a thousand. Lets continue on.

    ###########

    “The advance of women’s rights and the advance of liberty are ultimately inseparable.” [President Bush, 3/14/04]

    "The advance of women's rights and the advance of liberty are ultimately inseparable." [President Bush, 3/14/04]

    Moving on

    ##############

    “President Bush has made the advance of women’s human rights a global policy priority. … We all have an obligation to speak for women who are denied their rights to learn, to vote or to live in freedom.” [Laura Bush, 3/8/05]

    "President Bush has made the advance of women's human rights a global policy priority. ... We all have an obligation to speak for women who are denied their rights to learn, to vote or to live in freedom." [Laura Bush, 3/8/05]

    At last we are at Chicken Blogger's finish line

    #####################

    “The commitment of this administration to women’s rights in Iraq is unshakable.” [Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, 3/9/04]

    "The commitment of this administration to women's rights in Iraq is unshakable." [Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, 3/9/04]
    ##################

    You ass. You said:

    "If you actually read my post it states very clearly that "NBC Nightly News aired a segment about a "wave of violence that's gone largely unreported lately against women in Iraq."

    I think information from 2007 is more accurate than yours from 2004."

    I quoted your, scratch that, Think Progress words that you stole right back to you and you are claiming that your info is whatever.
    I copied and pasted, WITH ATTRIBUTION, one of your own pastes and you are calling it out of date and irrelevant?.

    I may have slowed down lately but I can still tell one of my own quotes.

    You better get a grip and start doing some mental exercises or you are going to be in some deep shit when you get to my age.

    Grammie

    I may have slowed down lately but I can still tell one of my own quotes.

    You better get a grip and start doing some mental exercises or you are going to be in some deep shit when you get to my age.

    Grammie
    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 25, 2007 4:27 AM


    Grammie,

    Chickenblogger is doubtlessly Bobo. All the earmarks are there--- unattributed cut-n-pasting of which he barely has read himself, and at least one anonymous peanut gallery ankle-biter who is Bobo too.

    Thanks for one of the funniest set-ups I've seen here! :D

    There are always mental issues with returning soldiers. It happened in every major war the United States has ever fought. To claim that this is unique to the Iraq war is folly at best. You are exposing young men and women, some still in their teens and 20's to violence on a scale they've never seen before. Naturally there will be those who are simply uanble to cope with it. That's war is. The problem with the liberals is that they don't see the necessity of war ever. If left up to them, they'd play footsie with our enemies. They'd dismantle our armies, and arm our enemies, that's how they think.

    CBS or Red Meat mini blog?

    Who should we believe ?
    Let me see..................

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 25, 2007 2:36 AM


    Red Meat, any day, loon. Forgot about Blather?

    A colossal mistake (fraud) that went all the way to the top downplayed by an olbyloon. Shocker.

    > you copy and paste with no attribution. You stole your words from: http://thinkprogress.org/2007/11/24/women-iraq/

    Yeah, that's our WDYT. He likes to go anonymous when he's stealing someone else's work and pasting it in here. I keep reminding him and the loons that we don't permit lengthy off-topic cut-and-paste jobs of other people's work without permission. There happens to be a law against it, to boot. So that's why a bunch of his stuff disappeared today, the offending posts and the standard additional punishment for repeat offenders. Sometimes I think if the Olbypologists didn't know how to use the 'paste' key, they'd be at a total loss for words.

    Sometimes I think if the Olbypologists didn't know how to use the 'paste' key, they'd be at a total loss for words.

    Posted by: johnny dollar at November 25, 2007 4:03 PM

    Who loves ya, Johnny...

    BTW, Johnny or someone,

    Does anyone know if those retooled phonographs with the USB port that allows you copy records to your computer, are worth getting?

    I inherited over 200 78s and though I say "Back to shellac!", I'd like to get them into a form that I can share.

    Yeah, Chuckie Bobo, PhD.... copyright laws and age-old ethical rules around making attributions, are all just a plot to keep the opinions of the Archbishop under wraps...and don't mean a diddly unless the cops are at your door...

    Not that it makes any difference, but isn't the Queen the head of the Church of England?


    > A N O N Y M O U S said "By the way, don't forget about Olbermann's great sin, dating a 21 year old 'girl'."

    I don't think it's a sin, it's just creepy and bordering on forbidding when you hear Olby is older than her dad. Lot of eewww factor there. If he were 75 and she were 50 that might raise an eyebrow, but given that she in her early twentiee makes it unsettling. But god bess those crazy kids, if they're happy in their odd little realationship, then good for them. She's not my daughter.

    > Has there ever been a more feeble excuse for censoring information HE doesn't want to hear than that ?

    You really are a nitwit, or you just play one on the internets? It seems unimaginable that you know how to cut and paste somebody else's words, but you are stumped beyond comprehension as to how you could instead just cut and paste a link, making the same information available only without stealing someone else's property. Of course that would mean everybody would know where it came from, and maybe you don't want them to know that.

    Your reason--be it dishonesty or rank stupidity--doesn't matter to me. Cut-and-pastes will be deleted, along with five additional recent messages as punitive damages. Of course if you make me spend too much time cleaning up after your serial thefts, I can eliminate the problem entirely.

    Hey, Bobo,

    Do you think you should mail the Archbishop of Canterbury, Lynn and Pat Mulder's question?

    > Does anyone know if those retooled phonographs with the USB port that allows you copy records to your computer, are worth getting?

    They don't give very good results I'm afraid, for any number of reasons. And 78s have specific requirements, including a different size stylus from common LPs. There are 78 rpm collectors (some of them hang out at yahoo groups) who might just do a transfer of that sort for free if they get to keep the records (of course that depends on the contents and whether they would appeal to someone).

    This is horribly off-topic, Cecelia, but I don't mind as it's nice for a change to see an off-topic post that is NOT stolen from some other site.

    Thanks for that info, Johnny.

    I would never ever ever let anyone (but my daughter) have my father's record collection and I'd be scared to death to try and ship them for some sort of transfer to CD.

    Maybe Thorens will come out with something someday.

    Of course that would mean everybody would know where it came from, and maybe you don't want them to know that.


    JD

    Zactly. He's, obviously, not too proud of most of his sources. Therefore, no link to his posts. Good chance it came from media matters or huffpo if it's from 'why.'

    Capon,

    Consider another reason for my and Janet's fondness for RK.

    I'll give an example of what I mean.

    You guys go ape on him for one thing or another and he just sits there repeating something like "But did she say that?", making no effort to prove it, simply repeating it and enjoying the fracas he's created among you and yes, enjoying being the center of attention.

    Finally Janet or I get all we can take of the ensuant hyperbole from your quarteers and come along and prove that no....she didn't say it....

    Now of course you ...men...have never bothered to go back and look and see "if she said it".... You've just piled on RK because he couldn't be right. Afterall, RK is not smart...he's doesn't own his own business like Mike...or travel, like you....and he's not a....(hahahaha)...PhD, like the imaginative WDYT....

    RK is just an everyday Joe who feeds his horses....

    Yet, there he is, sitting back enjoying your frenzy, calling you by your alternate names and day after day wearing through the deceptions that you and others have come here to attempt to foist on the rest of us because of your immense and reflexive disdain and contempt for any hick so unenlightened as to hold our philosophy.

    But best of all, day after day, RK erodes the deceptions about yourselves that you have foisted upon yourselves. And though Mike and goodness knows... WDYT... aren't sharp enough to spot that, YOU have seen a glimmer...

    Yes Capon, we like him and we enjoy sitting back and watching him for awhile.

    We like him very much, indeed. :D

    but I suspect there is more than a bit of the Mother Hen complex involved here, as well.

    As I said, none of that was a criticism of you, anyway, just a puzzlement.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 26, 2007 10:55 AM


    Well, puzzle no longer, you have your answer.

    And I don't take the "mother hen" thing personally either. I take it for what it is-- an effort to soften my personae and make me less threatening because I'm a woman who is so much smarter than you.

    I'm not being vain, the same would hold true for (and the same experience has befallen) the majority of women anywhere.

    Did I say they were 'all' dangerous? What is it with you loons and comprehension?

    Philby, I was giving you a glimpse, with the link, to a world you and many others deny even exhists.

    Ooohhh, I sure do hope that Bobo and/or one of his many personalities doesn't see this:

    "CUTTING AND PASTING CRAP IS HARDLY SAYING ANYTHING. Caps mine.
    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 26, 2007 12:58 PM"

    That is Bobo's meat and potatoes here. He admits it! He fiercely defends it.

    What a low blow for Bobo to have one of his own turn on him and go for the jugular no less.

    Grammie

    Temper, temper, temper!

    Grammie

    "Good advice no doubt, Mrs. Hawkins. I have never suffered fools gladly.
    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 26, 2007 2:53 PM "

    Well no wonder you are in a constant state of peevish anger.

    You certainly can't get away from yourself.

    Grammie

    A most interesting report on the BBC World Report about the "uprising" against Chavez, led by "LEFTIST students, attorneys, artists and intellectuals." I gather that the paragons of capitalism are setting on their asses, as usual. I have to wonder: If Chavez is such a hero of the left, as you and other parroting nincompoops so often say, why is the left leading the revolt against him? Is this bizaro world?

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 26, 2007 2:49 PM


    Very simple. The far left loons (here) that love Puko so much have no idea what it's like to live under him and his rule. The Venezuelan left knows what it is like. Not as pretty as Sean Penn and the other Puko lovers paint him to be.

    A most interesting report on the BBC World Report about the "uprising" against Chavez, led by "LEFTIST students, attorneys, artists and intellectuals." I gather that the paragons of capitalism are setting on their asses, as usual. I have to wonder: If Chavez is such a hero of the left, as you and other parroting nincompoops so often say, why is the left leading the revolt against him? Is this bizaro world?

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 26, 2007 2:49 PM


    Very simple. The far left loons (here) that love Puko so much have no idea what it's like to live under him and his rule. The Venezuelan left knows what it is like. Not as pretty as Sean Penn and the other Puko lovers paint him to be.

    Anon with spaces, it is clear that those who wish to dramiatically change the social and economic fabric of The United States (by definition, "leftist,") embrace the socialist central authority represented by Mr. Chavez....loons like Cindy Sheehan etc....Those in Venezuella not happy with the state of affairs v/v freedom of thought and religion that the secularist Chavez has imposed on them who want drastic change (by definition "leftist,") are making their revolutionary views known and will likely be silenced by that same totalitarian secularist, now the status quo there, Chavez.

    Leftist only means those with big philosophical differences with the status quo who tend to demand and promote radical (and usually violent) societal change....

    That definition makes it very easy to identify the left in the US that are so opposed to the great working society fabric of The US Constitution insuring freedom of religion and thought along with free markets....the status quo....The American left is very wrong in their philosophy and easily labeled as "anti-American." It is obvious by their support of Chavez that most American leftists support his agenda.

    Mike is having trouble realizing he has embraced such a flawed ideology but overcomes it by only crying foul about the evil neocons and Bush Co.....a usual canard....One that does not escuse the vapid worldview of the left domestically.

    Spaced out, if you read something written or reported by someone other than your fav left wing rag/bbc, you might find out that there are conservatives speaking out against Puko, as well. The problem is, Puko doesn't take well to criticism, so, rather than die, many keep quiet. I won't bother to post a link saying as much since you hate and don't want to be bothered with proof. Is that why you like Olbermahn? Must be.