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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    November 26, 2007
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - November 26, 2007

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • IRAQ OF AGES: Richard Wolffe, Thomas Ricks
    • TRENT LOTT: Eugene Robinson
    • HILLARY VS BARACK: Craig Crawford

    Bush! Iraq! America for Sale! McClellan! (Again!) "GOP In Crisis"! [Ding!]. Trent Lott! Clinton! Obama! "Mister" Bush Photo-Op! [Ding!] Simpsons! It's a rainy day and a Monday, and if that isn't enough to get you down...Oralmann is back.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #5: "Mister" Bush signs away the constitution! "3-6-Pix" Olbermahn was off and running. Mister dares to side with the legally elected government of Iraq? Scandal! The Wolffe Man didn't exactly bite on Keith's Krazy Konspiracy that Bush is trying to install Maliki as a dictator. Oh, and McClellan! Great thanks.

    Ricks chimed in: we can't win, we can't lose, we can't leave. Ricks contradicts Olbermann's lie that Petraeus's testimony was "vetted" by the White House. Oops, you don't do that on OlbyPlanet. KO slips and acknowledges a "calming down" in Iraq. A rather rocky segment for The Hour of Spin. With a Citizen Kane reference.

    #4: Trent Lott "just became a former Senator". Oh really? Is Monkeymann so inept that he can't even read a simple headline? But then again we know Merkle has chronology issues (BC, AD, whatever!). Nixon! [Ding!] Strom Thurmond redux. Lott's reasons are "ridiculous". Republicans famous for buying seats in Congress.

    #3: Clinton vs Obama. Olby, worried that Hillary may be on the defensive, played up a phony issue about Obama funding that pales in comparison with, say, Buddhist temples and Norman Hsu, neither of which gets much play on OlbyPlanet. KO got Olbermann's Brain to agree with him that Oprah will backfire because so many people dislike her. Well, misogynists and racists do anyhow, right Keith? A little Rudy hit and then it was...Great thanks.

    #2: Bragging about his Simpsons appearance. He actually ran the entire segment! (Why did Fox give Fat Ass permission to run the clip anyhow?) Then a replay of his WPitNFL from Sunday! (Somehow he avoided his ignorant faux pas about the Rocky Mountains.) #1: Nobel winners at the White House.

    In the Media Matters Minute, it was "Bathtub Head" [Ding!] Gibson (Blue Blog Source: Think Progress), Rudy Giuliani (Blue Blog Source: HuffPo), and the NY Post (Blue Blog Source: Think Progress).

    OLBY

    Dogs That Did Not Bark: For months Oralmann has been promoting, covering for, propagandizing on behalf of, and generally slobbering over Hillary Clinton and how strong she runs and how badly she will beat the Republican, whoever it is. But Fat Ass only cites poll numbers when they are on his side. If those pesky citizens find their sympathies swaying in a different direction, the story will always be spiked on OlbyPlanet. So it is today, as a shift in the polls finds Hillary on the losing end of the electoral stick. And, predictably, The Hour of Spin is wholly, utterly silent.

    MisterMeter

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name is #21,504 on amazon, while "Culture Warrior" is #6,026. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) Barnes & Noble has the OlbyTome down to #132,077; O'Reilly's book is #1,499 there. On the battle of the papersbacks: Amazon lists Culture Warrior at #511, while the paperback of Oralmann's book is a mighty #24,810. Guffaw! On Wednesday Keith's plans to be King of Kable faced another roadblock, as he lost to the O'Kasich Factor both in total viewers and in the coveted, pivotal, much-beloved, critical, all-important "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 9 [SEVERE]


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (151) | | View blog reactions

    151 Comments

    Saw his Simpsons appearance. I want that 2 minutes of my life back.

    Will we get a correction from NBC's football program for Olbermoronn's claim that Denver is "west of the Rockies"?

    KO slips and acknowledges a "calming down" in Iraq. JD

    Is Olbermahn turning a cold shoulder to the code pink/why,slob,patsy,mike crowd, all 10 of them?

    Not really; he mentioned the calming down only as a prelude to changing the subject to But There's No Political Settlement!

    Keith is actually saying that Oprah will hurt Obama because people don't like her?????
    Most of the country CAN'T STAND his Hillary. Only in his mind would Hillary be more likeable than Oprah. Hillary wouldn't be in the conversation if it wasn't for her husband's last name. All she does is ride his coat tails. And all he did was ride interns....

    Also, after Gibson has called Keith "Bathtub Boy" for years, "Bathtub Head" is the best comeback he can come up with? Really? I bet all 4 of his fans think that is hilarious.

    Please god kill Cheney tonight...
    Posted by: Bill O'lielly
    ______________________________________
    Please, Johnny- forward O'lielly's IP address to the secret service. PLEASE!

    Excellent suggestion!

    Should we expect Alison Stewart to fill in on this Sunday's NFL broadcast so that Queef won't have to apologize?

    Johnny- don't forget: BOR's latest book is NUMBER ONE on the NY Times' children's non-fiction list.

    That makes SIX (6) NY TIMES BESTSELLERS-

    Those Who Trespass
    The O'Reilly Factor
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    Please god kill Cheney tonight...
    Posted by: Bill O'lielly
    ______________________________________
    Please, Johnny- forward O'lielly's IP address to the secret service. PLEASE!

    Posted by: at November 26, 2007 10:30 PM

    Second that!

    Is Olbermahn turning a cold shoulder to the code pink/why,slob,patsy,mike crowd, all 10 of them?

    SHRIEK when you say that mister!

    O'Lielly is nothing but a sick punk puke spewing his venom at VP Cheney. He should do the world a favor and put a lip-lock on a .357 magnum and pull the trigger. Your rock is calling you O'lieboy.......go back under.

    After watching last night's Simpsons ep, I knew there and then that the series has really lost its momentum. The past few seasons have been increasing dull and full of political preaching. The Simpsons movie this past summer can attest to that with the global warming sentiment. It really saddens me to say that considering it was once one of my favorite shows. I guess I'll stick to the reruns of Seinfeld.

    In a most humorous way, you summed up this entire website. I chuckle and chortle endlessly reading about how some of these glue-eating, nose pickers get so upset over Olbermann. There is nothing to compare it to in the lives of normal people.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 26, 2007 11:51 PM


    Then why do you post here and what does that make you?

    Get back to us when you have an answer Kim Peek.

    Bill O'lielly at November 26, 2007 10:09 PM
    Posted "Please god kill Cheney tonight... "

    FYI, according to http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000871----000-.html

    Cornell University Law School's website quote:
    " (a) Whoever knowingly and willfully deposits for conveyance in the mail or for a delivery from any post office or by any letter carrier any letter, paper, writing, print, missive, or document containing any threat to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States, the President-elect, the Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President of the United States, or the Vice President-elect, or knowingly and willfully otherwise makes any such threat against the President, President-elect, Vice President or other officer next in the order of succession to the office of President, or Vice President-elect, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both."

    I don't like ANYONE'S life threatened. Not our President's, Vice President's or Yours.

    Yes even a "prayer," "joke" or "comment" are all considered threats.

    In a most humorous way, you summed up this entire website. I chuckle and chortle endlessly reading about how some of these glue-eating, nose pickers get so upset over Olbermann. There is nothing to compare it to in the lives of normal people.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 26, 2007 11:51 PM


    Is that glue on your lip?...

    "I chuckle and chortle endlessly reading about how some...get so upset over Olbermann."

    Just wondering - Do you also "chuckle and chortle" about how Olbermann gets so upset over O'Reilly, or is your chuckling and chortling reserved for those who don't share your political views?

    Ouch Bill, I do believe in Jesus. But I quoted U.S. law not Biblical. Thanks for not reading my entire post.

    I'll still pray for you.

    Great! I will. But war is war. A threat is a threat! Why are you making this so difficult? You threatened the VP. A prayer for his death is a threat. Or are you not an American citizen bound by U.S. laws?

    I pray to God -- capital G. And believe in Jesus -- capital J. But you first try calling me a religious nut. Then invite me to read blogs. Interesting that you trust a nutty person like myself.

    My old Georgetown law professor already read my post and e-mailed that he agrees with me.

    After watching last night's Simpsons ep, I knew there and then that the series has really lost its momentum. The past few seasons have been increasing dull and full of political preaching. The Simpsons movie this past summer can attest to that with the global warming sentiment. It really saddens me to say that considering it was once one of my favorite shows. I guess I'll stick to the reruns of Seinfeld.

    Posted by: Joe Schmo at November 26, 2007 11:58 PM

    I have to agree with this post. I watch the Simpson too and it was just not funny. It seems like they are trying to be Family Guy light. Instead of trying to be different from Family Guy, they have just given in and duplicated Family Guy. The Republican skit was not as funny as the original one where they nominate Side Show Bob. Mocking Fox News was pretty pathetic also. They used Rush Limbaugh as an anchor on Fox News, when he has never hosted any show on Fox News. Why not take a shot at Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity? The Simpson has done much better shows on politics in the past.

    The political scene is not at peace... It is war.

    Posted by: Bill O'lielly at November 27, 2007 12:25 AM


    Bill O'leilly the proud warrior a.k.a. Mr. ARVN rifle. Bravely spoken tough guy.

    Family Guy, the Soup, Simpsons; wow such the actor.

    When is Keith's spot with James Lipton?

    I was simply saying that all the actORS go to be interviewed by James Lipton? Don't they? Is not being a cartoon character acting? :)

    Your envy ( and anger) is showing. It's getting harder for you Olby haters to disguise it.

    Posted by: at November 27, 2007 1:01 AM

    I don't think anyone is envious of Olbermann. He gets his spots on TV shows because left wing zombies love left wing hate mongers. They would never pass up an opportunity to pat one of their stooges on the back. It is similar to Hugo Chavez inviting Sean Penn to his country. The left needs its useful idiots to be happy. You Olbermann zombies are jealous that you are not a valuable useful idiot like Olbermann. Start collecting baseball cards now and maybe you will make it to the big time like Olbermann.

    "His [Trent Lott's] decision to retire by year's end..." means Keith was right you jackass; he just did effectively become a "former" Senator.

    Problem with Lott's reasoning for retiring is that he apparently thinks people in Mississippi and other areas affected by Katrina don't need much more help from Congress. That IS ridiculous. It will take years for Katrina/Rita victims in New Orleans and Miss. to recover (even if the latter is in comparably somewhat better shape) and more legislation could theoretically be needed to help them out.

    Also, Senators serve SIX YEARS and for Trent Lott to bail out one year after being re-elected is a slap in the face to his constituents.

    He's been a powerful senator for a long time now, but if he knew there was a chance he would not serve out another six full years, he should've called it quits sometime early in 2006 to give another Republican the job. If he really wanted to help out Katrina victims, he still could have as an ex-Senator; he would have that kind of influence, don't ya think?

    Please god kill Cheney tonight... If there was only such a fictional being. Somewhere there is a doctor who could do the world a great service by just putting a kink in his breathing tube.

    Posted by: Bill O'lielly at November 26, 2007 10:09 PM

    Yes, my son O'lielly how ironic that some of my best supporters are American atheists like you!

    You ask for the vice president of your country to be dead, and then claim you will baptize yourself into a religion (islam I'm sure) if it happens.

    Just like I've been saying in the name of Allah for years now! Kill all Americans in the name of Allah as it is our right!

    You are so wicked and evil, and the type of cell that is perfect for me because you hate Americans, and hate their religion. You would not only want to kill them, but the higher up on the political ladder the better! Perfect! I could not ask for more, and an American no less!

    O'lielly, you have just caught up to my loyal subject Olbermann with one of the most treasonous statements yet!

    And 2/3'rds of the jihadists truly do want your statement to be true, as he and his president are the only ones in our way of creating chaos and death to your American people.

    Yes, O'lielly you have made me so proud! Another American citizen who only wants to help my cause. Each day on this site, I see more and more American traitors like you, and it is because of comments like yours that, how do you say in your American lingo, "make me feel all fuzzy inside"

    Keep up the grand work my little traitor and adn is just a razors edge away!

    Akuba! Ayeee!!!!

    Pissing off 2 billionaire's in less than a week..Beginning to think duckymann wants to get fired because he can't find enough bathtub friends. Got to love those flat all important, manufactured for Oinkinmann demo number's. Even the basement dweller's or mutts couldn't fix katymann's number's forever. Right mikey and O'Lickey?

    Anon with spaces has to get his good feelings anyway he can....Compared to the do-nothing democratic MAJORITY leadership performace, the poor repubs will continue to do well....

    Pathetic Harry Reid cannot get anything substantive through the chamber....especially his 1/07 threat to change the policy in Iraq....that still languishes as Bush continues the successful surge.....

    Oh and WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?.....SCHIP was sooooo important to little people like Graeme Frost that he would be out on the streets this Christmas without it.....well, well....there still is no legislation for it despite its critical nature....score another victory for the senate leadership!

    Please....Mississippi is recovering leaps and bounds quicker from Katrina compared to Democrat run Louisiana and the leftist zoombies on this site are concerned about Lott stepping down early?.....Missisippi is almost completely recovered DESPITE your dire predictions....and why?....because the state and local governments are run my honest REPUBLICANS.....

    Unlike New Orleans and the Louisiana state house (but that will soon not be the case as a great new REPUBLICAN governer takes over despite the national hatred of the "republican brand")

    When will you twit leftists stop making idiots of yourselves here?

    Posts chicken shit poster:

    "Your envy ( and anger) is showing. It's getting harder for you Olby haters to disguise it."

    END QUOTE

    Um, no. Why should I be envious of a guy when I look at him I have ot fight the urge to burst out in laughter at his silly, cartoon face. I mean, have you ever seen an attrative liberal politician or voter. I'd say the chances you would scare th ugly off an ape or cause a chimp to flop on the floor in laughter are highly probable.

    Flame throwers never last moron. We've seen them all fall, Imus, Opie and Andie, Stern. Olbytard's day is coming. If this freak is the answer to NBC crawling out of last place, they are dead. Most people have the class and dignity to not work for MSNBC. Thsi clown is too stupid to realize he's a sacrificial offering served up against a show MSNBC knows they can not compete with. Olbytard is the only one stupid enough to take it. He's bottomed out in the ratings.

    See if he's on SNF next year loser and hten get back with us.

    "Bathtub head", ooooh what a wit
    Great comeback from Mister Dumbshit
    Keith has no game
    Countdown is lame
    Time to throw in the towel and quit

    I wouldn't be so dismissive of this comment, PS. Lord knows I am not fond of Olbermann, but the type of comments about him on this site elevate him to a status he does not deserve. You guys imbue him with powers he lacks. It is much the same phenomenon as the relentless, unending attack against Bill Clinton. You've all turned him into some sort of mega-hero when the fact is he was simply a good president and a man who took off his pants one leg at a time.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 27, 2007 9:13 AM


    Will whoever is holding Clucker a prisoner here on a blog critiquing Keith Olbermann and his show, please untie him, unlock the door, and let him out....

    "You've all turned [Bill Clinton] into some sort of mega-hero when the fact is he was simply a good president and a man who took off his pants one leg at a time."


    ###
    I also did not relaize holding chief executives accountable to the law would force raving lunatics at HRC FOR PREZ rallies to give the former chief executive standing ovations and chants of, "4 more years!"

    If that had been the case, I would have been happy to overlook the sodomist adulterer's obstruction of justice and lying under oath to federal authorities.

    Yes, Cecelia, but if A N O N Y M O U S were not here, all of your opinions would go largely unchallenged. You would have no rational check on them. You would be limiting your growth. I suspect you know that and are pleased you have this resource, this opportunity.

    Although you can be as nutty as a Pecan Log, I feel the same about you. I appreciate your contribution. And, you seldom use vile language or hurl (too) personal insults. So, I see this "relationship" as a net positive for us.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 27, 2007 11:28 AM


    Not to hurl "too" personal an insult, Capon, but you are most definitely over-estimating your impact upon me.

    I will add that this has not been the case with some liberals who pop in and out occasionally.

    By the way, while you are on the line, please share with me the lexicon used by Christian fundamentalists when describing Islamic fundamentalists. I'd like to compare it to the lexicon I hear used in certain circles when describing Christian fundies and their views of the world. You know.... while we're feeling so broad-minded and such...

    Yes, Cecelia, but if A N O N Y M O U S were not here, all of your opinions would go largely unchallenged. You would have no rational check on them. You would be limiting your growth. I suspect you know that and are pleased you have this resource, this opportunity.


    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 27, 2007 11:28 AM


    BTW, you're referring something false from my comment.

    I'm not at all complaining about your presence here or even your desire to broaden our perspective...

    I'm simply saying that if you feel it necessary to tell people not to worry about Keith Olbermann because he's a nincompoop... on a blog called Olbermann Watch, then you should consider not letting the door hit you in the butt.

    'I am not fond of Olbermann'

    posted by mrs. philby

    This made me laugh. It reminded me of back when 'mike' used to say "I don't defend Olbermahn!' Soon after claiming he was 'driven to defend him by you guys'!

    TDF! (*)[+]-----

    > Keith was right you jackass; he just did effectively become a "former" Senator.

    Thanks chickenblogger for getting the name-calling rolling again. Heaven forbid an Olbypologist ever admit his hero is wrong.

    Trent Lott is NOT a former Senator. In fact, he's not even "effectively" (your attempt to rewrite your hero's words to hide the fact that he blew it again) a former Senator since he still has the right to vote on the Senate floor.

    Fact is, he's a Senator until he steps down. Just like Merkle can't understand the difference between Christ's birth and death, he doesn't get that Senators stop being senators when they step down, NOT when they say they are GOING to step down.

    If you are going to defend the orange man on something this blatantly wrong and stupid, then you just might be an Olbypologist. Jackass.

    I think folks here are missing that Olbermann reads this site daily and is now responding to it.

    Example one: many commented here that Olbermann was laughed at by his fellow Sunday Night Football broadcasters. So what does he do, replay the segment, give a shout out to Chris Collinsworth--saying his producers made him do it. It was pretty funny and pathetic at the same time.

    Example two: calling Gibson bathtub head.

    Capon,

    In that mishmash of arguments you seem to have validated something you didn't intend.

    That in the discussion of the Islamic fundamentalism view there is no greater ally than an intimate understanding of religious terminology and an understanding and respect for traditions and religious dictates that is part and parcel of the experience that you would describe as religious fundamentalism.

    Perhaps Europe and France in particular would fare better with their large Muslim populations with such an understanding that seems almost innate within the more religiously conservative (and more tolerant of religious expression within the public and political sphere) America.

    I've no doubt that the very people who are able to intellectually attribute the Crusades as wholly being about religious fundamentalism, while ignoring Spain's moorish history, would make certain considerations in the dialogue towards Islamists that they will not make domestically, but all in all, I'd venture it's far better to be devoutly Muslim here than it is in Europe, and this is largely BECAUSE of that shared lexicon and our less secularized society.

    Let me quickly, say, Capon, is that what you really want to imply here is that someone like Cee, a war supporter and a religious man, is just slightly short of being the Chrstian fundie version of UBL... and therefore eternally at odds with Muslims, moderate and otherwise, and incapable of coming to any sort of understanding.

    Quite the contrary, I say. I'd venture that the freedoms that fundamentalist (and moderate) Muslims prize, and the potential to build a consensus, is far better off in his hands, than your's.

    If you are going to defend the orange man on something this blatantly wrong and stupid, then you just might be an Olbypologist. Jackass.

    Posted by: johnny dollar at November 27, 2007 11:59 AM


    My absolutely favorite Olbermann screw-up is when he mistakenly aired Georgia Sen. Max Cleland picture for Atlanta radio talk show host Neal Boortz, when making Boortz WPITW.

    "Fact is, he's a Senator until he steps down. Just like Merkle can't understand the difference between Christ's birth and death, he doesn't get that Senators stop being senators when they step down, NOT when they say they are GOING to step down."

    No doubt KO and Chicken Blogger believe that Larry Craig is, or at least effectively is, a former Senator.

    They have learned their semantics very well from BJ Clinton, it depends on what the meaning of "is" is.

    Grammie

    "I've no doubt that the very people who are able to intellectually attribute the Crusades as wholly being about religious fundamentalism, while ignoring Spain's moorish history"

    Well put Cecilia. I would also add "while ignoring Islam's violent conquest of two thirds of the Christian world."

    "Christians, particularly fundamentalist Christians seem to have this idyllic view of "crusade," some great evangelical tool, some pure purpose expressed in action, more than in faith."


    ###
    An example of this rambling and strange idea would make it much clearer what you mean, dear man....I do not think I have heard the word "crusade" outside a poltical speech, media debate forum or the college classroom....I do not believe I have ever heard the word "crusade" mantioned in my bible study group or during fellowship on Sundays.

    What are you talking about dear Anon with spaces?

    Coming from a Simple Simon such as yourself thems big words. Get back in your sandbox.

    Posted by: Phony Soldier at November 27, 2007 8:29 AM

    Phony, why don't you do everyone a favor and walk over to your rusty, banged up '73 Chevy pickup, take one of those big shotguns off your gun rack, and do the honorable thing.
    Yes, for you that would be suicide. It seems like the only true solution.

    Better yet, forward it to me. I don't have to worry about what Oblytar thinks about torture. There's a lot you could do to a 30 plus year old virgin woman hater.


    Posted by: Phony Soldier at November 27, 2007 8:36 AM


    You are sure one tough bastard, Closeted Homo. You are the toughest talker in all the internet world.
    I guess that's a testament to what a little high-test moonshine can do for a man's courage.

    I just read an article at NewsBusters titled:

    "Dan Rather's Profanity-Laced Tirades and Self-Pity in New York Mag"

    This is the one of the best lines about both KO and Rather I ever read:

    "*New
    Y'know, if Rather and Mapes
    November 26, 2007 - 16:55 ET by SMGalbraith

    Y'know, if Rather and Mapes had had a son, it would probably sound a lot like Keith Olbermann.

    Doesn't Olbermann's voice come off the page as you read Rather's comments? The "f-em" attitude? The "independent journalist" taking on the "evil government and corporate sellouts" arrogance?

    Yep, that's vintage Olbermann. "

    Grammie

    Thanks chickenblogger for getting the name-calling rolling again.

    Posted by: johnny dollar at November 27, 2007 11:59 AM

    Yeah, there's NO namecalling usually going on on this site.

    What do you have against New York Magazine?

    The article was at least half direct quotes and has a link to the entire article in the first paragraph.

    http://nymag.com/news/features/41283/

    Why are you accusing New York Magazine of writing fictional interviews?

    No wonder, as I mentioned earlier, that you are always angry based on your statement that you don't suffer fools gladly. There is just no escaping yourself.

    Grammie

    how I long for the days of keith at ESPN, where he was actually pretty good. Now, I tune in for exactly 2 minutes of comedy. Fox noise keith? perhaps MSN-BS might fit you a tad better! Just how many orgasms can he have a night running down bush and cheney? evidently multiple. I should be so lucky I guess

    Good Lord, man, it was a joke. Lighten up! Talk about angry!

    Grammie

    johnydollar, your reaction to Chickenblogger is that because Lott still has a "vote" means he and Olby are wrong about Lott being "effectively" a former Senator. I would agree with you, but what the heck is the Senate going to vote on of any substance for the rest of the year? I thought this was a do-nothing Democrat Congress?

    So yes, Lott can start packing now 'cuz though he TECHNICALLY is still a Senator, Congress ain't going to get anything of substance done in December and he might as well not even vote.

    > because Lott still has a "vote" means he and Olby are wrong about Lott being "effectively" a former Senator.

    You are swallowing whole chickenblogger's rewrite of Olby's statement. KO NEVER said he was "effectively" a former Senator. He said flat out that Lott WAS a former senator. No effectively about it.

    So are you now going to argue that Olby was correct, and Lott IS a former Senator, even though he hasn't resigned yet? Is that the position you wish to take?

    One of my favorite posters just posted thisd about Olbermann this morning at 9:00 AM: "He's bottomed out in the ratings."

    But alas...did this paricular gentleman who ironically refers to himself as a "phony" check the long term rating news released just today?

    Olbermann has solidly beaten CNN in the 25 - 54 Demo for 14 consecutive months. He has also beaten them in total viewers for 12 consecutive months. You can find this new information on both Inside Cable News and the Media Biastro blogs on this very day's release.

    So the next time you read a post from a KO hater on this blog about KO's 'customary third or fourth place", just remember that your not getting the whole story about THAT......either.

    MIKE, how fortuitous for me that you appear here right after I read something at Little Green Footballs.

    A little while back you claimed that KO's WPITW was SATIRE (caps mine, don't want to forget that). Although I thought that was a foolish statement I didn't take you up on it at the time.

    In lieu of a definition of satire let me copy and paste some genuine satire from LGF titled "Iowahawk: BoxBux Sux As Stix Hix Nix Xmas Flix":

    " Los Angeles - Despite critical acclaim and massive promotional budgets, a wave of anti-Santa holiday pictures floundered at the box office over the Thanksgiving opening weekend, leading some entertainment industry analysts to question whether Hollywood had overestimated the American public’s loathing for the Claus administration and a seemingly endless shopping season.

    “I’m not sure went wrong,” said Jeff Bell of the MPAA after the release of the weekend Nielsen/EDI movie box office figures. “With all the griping you hear about the holidays, it stood to reason that people would flock to theaters for a chance to vent their hatred at that fat red fascist bastard. I blame illegal downloaders.”

    Whatever the reason, the financial results were grim.

    “Kringle’s List,” starring George Clooney, Matt Damon, and Julia Roberts in a cautionary tale of rogue elf agents inside the North Pole’s illegal Naughty and Nice wiretapping operation, led the pack of anti-Claus releases with weekend receipts of $68,500, for a $26 per-screen average. The film’s take was only good for a #34 showing overall, just behind the limited arthouse re-release of the 1965 Don Knotts classic “The Incredible Mr. Limpet,” but studio spokesman Rob Foulet said the film could eventually recoup its $180 million production budget through strong word-of-mouth and a new advertising campaign that downplays the film’s elfin geopolitical psychodrama in favor of Miss Roberts’ breasts.

    “We’re not saying she has a nude scene in the film, but we’re not saying she doesn’t,” said Foulet. “That’s up to the ticket buyers to find out.” ...

    The most controversial of the new releases, Brian De Palma’s “Red on Green,” also proved to be the weekend’s biggest financial disappointment. The film’s documentary-style depiction of brutal gang rapes, genital torture, and candy cane stabbings by North Pole workers earned critical raves and a Palm d’Or award for De Palma when it debuted at the Cannes Film Festival earlier in the year, but the positive advanced notices were not enough to fill theater seats. According to Nielsen/EDI the film generated only $18.00 in box office receipts — apparently two tickets sold to DePalma and producer Mark Cuban — and was later revised downward to $9.00 after Cuban asked for a refund.

    De Palma defended the film’s weak opening box office, noting that it was based on only 15 screens in New York, Los Angeles, and Pyongyang.

    “I think it’ll really break out when we open in Dallas,” said De Palma. “We’re giving away free Dirk Nowitzki posters to the first 500,000 ticket buyers!”

    “I have a Palm d’Or award,” added De Palma.

    Chicago Sun-Times film critic Roger Ebert, who gave glowing, 5-star reviews to each of the films, said he was not surprised by their poor financial performance.

    “It’s sad, but hopefully these wonderful films will do much better in the overseas market,” said Ebert. “No matter how much down inside they know how Christmas is wrong, and Santa is wrong, it’s hard for Americans to see their elves portrayed in a balanced, realistic way, as tragically haunted sadistic pederasts. By contrast European filmgoers are much more sophisticated and educated, so they eat that sh*t right up.”

    Grammie

    SATIRE (caps mine): "The use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc."

    The above was taken straight from the dictionary.

    I think the majority of WTITW nominations qualify for all or part of the above definition.

    I don't agree, especially in light of the satirical article I copied and pasted.

    I am willing to reconsider if you can present anything from WPITW that approaches the LGF satire that i presented.

    Grammie

    "I am willing to reconsider if you present anything from WPITW that approaches the LGF satire that i presented."

    OH, I get it....It only qualifies as satire if it meets YOUR (caps mine) definition of satire?

    The HECK (caps mine) with the dictionary!

    "A little while back you claimed that KO's WPITW was SATIRE (caps yours)"

    SO simply agreeing with someone else's CLAIM (caps mine) is the same thing as making the claim myself?

    I know, I know, .... just another TECHNICALITY (caps mine).

    If SNL had emulated KOs so called satire they would have been the not only not ready for prime time players but also not ready for kindergarten players.

    What in hell does this mean:

    "SO simply agreeing with someone else's CLAIM (caps mine) is the same thing as making the claim myself?"

    You claimed that the WPITW was satire. Of course you made the claim yourself.

    Grammie

    10:14 above. Straight from someone that has made the claim on several occasions that 'ratings don't matter, anyways.' TDF!!!(*)[+]-----

    "You claimed that the WPITW was satire. Of course you made the claim yourself."

    And I, MIKE (caps mine), herebye claim you are WRONG (caps mine)! .... And now challenge you to find the quote, .... or henceforth forever live in shame on this blog for making false claims you can't back up.

    See you for five minutes in a another few weeks so I can watch you guys argue whether the paint dries faster on the left or right side of the barn at noon.

    (Hint: It doesn't matter, Jeff is still inside screwing the livestock no matter what time of day it is.)

    Posted by: Pricele$$ at November 27, 2007 11:33 PM


    Thanks, Patsy!

    JohnnyDollar, read the transcript from this show. The short cut is that Olby (nevermind another no name blogger) was right and the original poster of the "just became a former Senator" quote took that statement out of context.

    Here is the FULL context of what Keith said Monday night:
    "OLBERMANN: On January 1st, the law is changed. Former senators must start waiting two years to become lobbyists. Gosh, what a coincidence. Senator Trent Lott just became a former senator."

    Here's the transcript itself.

    Damn it, the code didn't work! Here it is, cut-and-pasted this time, Countdown 11/26/07 transcript:
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21991667

    I'm such an idiot for hurrying to post - I'm a new reader to the site - that I didn't even look to see that the "original" poster of the "former Senator" quote was and still is Johnnydollar. And yes, you still took it out of context to make your swipe at him.

    There's enough inaccuracies by Keith (or any other everyday broadcaster, for that matter) to point out, but that wasn't one of them.

    I haven't been on this site in weeks.

    posted by patsy

    Another 'no go' at detox? Oh well, better luck next time.

    And I, MIKE (caps mine), herebye claim you are WRONG (caps mine)! .... And now challenge you to find the quote, .... or henceforth forever live in shame on this blog for making false claims you can't back up.

    Posted by: Mike at November 27, 2007 11:24 PM


    I remember it, plain as day. Bout 2 weeks ago.

    If Cecelia and Jeff REALLY think that Pricele$$ at 11:33 is the same poster as 'Patsy', then your collective skill at practicing clairvoyance has gone from zero to nothing.

    "I remember it, plain as day. Bout 2 weeks ago."

    Then it shouldn't be too difficult to find it and replay it for us, should it?

    Well, MIKE, here are your words:

    ""WPITW is usually satire"

    It IS rather amazing that so many KO critics don't seem to understand that.
    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 1:38 AM "

    If you want to claim that you never ever hinted, intimated, agreed or said that WPITW was satire be my guest.

    You be the judge.

    "SO simply agreeing with someone else's CLAIM (caps mine) is the same thing as making the claim myself?

    I know, I know, .... just another TECHNICALITY (caps mine).
    Posted by: Mike at November 27, 2007 10:59 PM"

    Which leads to this:

    ""You claimed that the WPITW was satire. Of course you made the claim yourself."

    And I, MIKE (caps mine), herebye claim you are WRONG (caps mine)! .... And now challenge you to find the quote, .... or henceforth forever live in shame on this blog for making false claims you can't back up.
    Posted by: Mike at November 27, 2007 11:24 PM "

    Sorry, dear. Such a strained and contrived semantic defense that BJ Clinton would be PROUD OF is not going to cause me shame.

    Still waiting for an example of one or two of KO's brilliant satires in his WPITW schtich. Your diversion was amusing but not effective.

    Grammie

    Good job, Janet. I knew he said it. Just didn't know what thread it was on. I've told him 20 times to think before he posts, he won't listen.

    Can you prove 'priceless' isn't patsy, 'mike?'

    RK, if we looked at it as an aerospace engineer would just perhaps MIKE would be TECHNICALLY accurate.

    If that is his validation he can have it all to his widdle self.

    Grammie

    Well, RK, I am perplexed by this from MIKE:

    "If Cecelia and Jeff REALLY think that Pricele$$ at 11:33 is the same poster as 'Patsy', then your collective skill at practicing clairvoyance has gone from zero to nothing."

    Why one would think that you never nailed any of our shape and name shifters before!

    Grammie

    Janet, does pretending to win an argument mean SO much to you that you have to be dishonest in order to do it?

    "WTITW" is usually satire" were NOT my words!

    On the other hand:

    "It IS rather amazing that many KO critics don't seem to understand that" WERE my words.

    What you just did was replay ANOTHER posters quote - "WPITW is usually satire" - ....and then you replayed my AGREEMENT.

    Making my statement: "SO simply agreeing with someone else's CLAIM (caps mine) is the same thing as making the claim myself?"

    Agreeing with the quote is ALL I did...I did NOT make the original quote....JUST as I said!

    The strange thing is how you used actual quotations when posting the quote I DIDN'T say....and then you failed to use quotes as you followed up with what I actually DID say.

    And, oh yeah....CAPS MINE!!!!!

    Well, RK, I am perplexed by this from MIKE:

    "If Cecelia and Jeff REALLY think that Pricele$$ at 11:33 is the same poster as 'Patsy', then your collective skill at practicing clairvoyance has gone from zero to nothing."

    Why one would think that you never nailed any of our shape and name shifters before!

    Grammie

    "Can you prove Pricele$$ isn't 'Patsy'?"

    No more than you can prove he is.

    The difference is that I'm smart enough to not give a damn!

    MIKE, I agree with everything you have ever said in all your incarnations.

    Of course if you ever say I said anything you would be shamed before the world because I DIDN"T SAY IT.

    Give me a break.

    Grammie

    "RK, if we looked at it as an aerospace engineer would just perhaps Mike would be technically accurate"

    Well, YOU'RE the one who chose to contest my rhetorical question/statement that I had not been the one who made the claim....only that I had agreed with it when someone else had.

    Don't like being proven wrong so you turn to semantics again?

    Kind of like how you just summarily rejected the official dictionary's definition of "satire" in favor of your own narrower definition.

    Mike, could you please explain this byzantine comment:

    "The strange thing is how you used actual quotations when posting the quote I DIDN'T say....and then you failed to use quotes as you followed up with what I actually DID say."

    I make every effort to use quotes and give attribution. That does not mean that i can't make a mistake.

    However, I don't see what you accused me of. It is possible but I don't see it.

    Just lay it out if I did it and I will beg your forgiveness.

    Grammie

    "Why would one think you never nailed one of our shape and name shifters before?"

    If you're referring to Jeff....he DIDN'T!

    In my case, he accused me directly of being many others, such as "Beverly", "Patsy", and many others, but he never actually nailed me on ANY of my REAL incarnations....way back in those EARLY days when I did it regularly.

    Oh yeah, sorry.....CAPS MINE DAMNIT

    "Just lay it out if I did it and I will beg your forgiveness."

    "WTITW is usually satire" were not MY words.

    Is that clear enough for you?

    And spare me your "forgiveness". You obviously take this blog WAY too seriously if you think I need forgiveness from you.

    O.K.

    DUMBSHITS! Prove that this, whoever, "Pricele$$"
    is "Patsy"

    Yeah, you DUMBSHITS! are allowed to bring your ass-tarot cards and magic gummie balls.

    Let me go back and actually read the thread, so I can say hello.

    MORON PARANOID BU$HWIPES!

    Mike, don't forget that you have set the stage here tonight. Every word is to be taken absolutely literally.

    "If you're referring to Jeff....he DIDN'T!

    In my case, he accused me directly of being many others, such as "Beverly", "Patsy", and many others, but he never actually nailed me on ANY of my REAL incarnations....way back in those EARLY days when I did it regularly."

    You are out of line to accuse me of any such thing. I only said:

    "Why would one think you never nailed one of our shape and name shifters before?"

    I did not mention any names in that statement and you know it.

    Grammie

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    "Of course if you ever say I said anything you would be shamed before the world because I DIDN'T SAY IT."

    Would you like to translate that into English?

    I don't know why you would make this statement:

    "And spare me your "forgiveness". You obviously take this blog WAY too seriously if you think I need forgiveness from you.
    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 1:27 AM"

    based on this statement of mine:

    "Just lay it out if I did it and I will beg your forgiveness."

    I asked for proof that I had "The strange thing is how you used actual quotations when posting the quote I DIDN'T say....and then you failed to use quotes as you followed up with what I actually DID say."

    And I said if you proved it "I will beg your forgiveness."

    You seem to be getting twisted all around tonight, MIKE.

    Grammie

    Janet, the only thing I 'accused' you of is making false atributions, complete with quotation marks, regarding something you claimed I said.

    Regarding the silly and ongoing monikor guessing games, I simply implied you that you hold Jeff in far too high regard, for reasons that continue to elude me.

    Vampiria,

    I told ya to stay away from Bovine.

    Shit! You even warned him. And now look how low you BU$HWIPES have fallen.

    Excuse me, now I need to vomit.

    "You seem to be getting twisted all around tonight, MIKE."

    THAT is a simple matter of perspective.

    I started out with a factual post about Keith Olbermann's ratings...and YOU chose to respond with a rather ridiculous semantical quibble regarding the definition of the word "satire"....and it all went downhill from there.....but I enjoyed it anyway!

    Oh, Mike, I am using your own logic.

    You only agreed with someone who said WPITW is satire so that means you never said it and as best I can tell your agreement with the statement means nothing.

    So I said: "MIKE, I agree with everything you have ever said in all your incarnations."

    And that brings us to your difficulty in understanding straight forward English.

    I was emulating you when I said "Of course if you ever say I said anything you would be shamed before the world because I DIDN'T SAY IT."

    What is that saying? Oh right. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

    Grammie
    Grammie

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    OK, MIKE, show me:

    "Janet, the only thing I 'accused' you of is making false atributions, complete with quotation marks, regarding something you claimed I said."

    Grammie

    "You only agreed with someone who said WPITW is satire and so that means you never said it and as best as I can tell your agreement with the statement means nothing."

    So....when I asked you if simply agreeing was the same thing as making the statement in the first place, why didn't you simply say it that in your opinion, it was?

    We could have avoided a lot of TECHNICAL semantics, only to end up in the same place again, couldn't we?

    You CLAIMED that I

    OK...once again: "WPITW is usually satire" were NEVER my words, nor were they ever my "CLAIM".

    You implied otherwise....SEVERAL times!

    I simply agreed with the statement.

    And, oh yeah....almost lost in this whole silly argument....I STILL agree with the statement!

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    "Oh, Mike, I am using your own logic."

    NO you aren't....you obviously don't understand my logic.

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    You have got to be kidding, right.

    "OK...once again: "WPITW is usually satire" were NEVER my words, nor were they ever my "CLAIM".

    You implied otherwise....SEVERAL times!

    I simply agreed with the statement.

    And, oh yeah....almost lost in this whole silly argument....I STILL agree with the statement!

    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 2:07 AM "

    I humbly beg your forgiveness MIKE because I thought that you said the WPITW was satire when you only agreed and still agree that the WPITW is mainly satire.

    Also lost in this is my request that you give us some examples of KO's satire that you agree is satire but never said so.

    Sorry, I'm checking out. You are so ridiculous that I can't keep this up any longer.

    Grammie

    Oh, Mike, I am using your own logic."

    NO you aren't....you obviously don't understand my logic.

    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 2:17 AM


    Mike using logic? That has to be a first for him.

    If Cecelia and Jeff REALLY think that Pricele$$ at 11:33 is the same poster as 'Patsy', then your collective skill at practicing clairvoyance has gone from zero to nothing.

    Posted by: 'mike' at November 28, 2007 12:31 AM

    "Can you prove Pricele$$ isn't 'Patsy'?" RK

    No more than you can prove he is.

    The difference is that I'm smart enough to not give a damn!

    Posted by: 'mike' at November 28, 2007 1:10 AM

    Looks like our resident olbyloon known as 'mike' (sometimes) got his ass handed to him last night by Janet.

    "They're not my words!" says 'mike.' By his f-ed up logic, I can go around screaming death to all muslims and just claim they're not my words, I just agree with joe blow, he said it first.
    TDF!!!@#$%^&*(+)

    Good job, Janet! :0

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    Thanks, Patsy!

    Now, please inform the other 2 (two) cows in your trio that "Patsy" is leaving this crapper for a few hours.

    Feel free, Moo trio, to assign as many posts as you want to "Patsy"

    Posted by: You are welcome, Hag-zilla! at November 28, 2007 12:33 PM

    Patsy, you aren't as much a person as an institution around here and goodness knows you need institutionalizing...

    Come back soon!

    Bye, Patsy. I hope you have fun.

    Grammie

    "Looks like our redident olbyloon as (mike) sometimes got his ass handed to him last night."

    I figured YOU would say that, .... even though you got it exactly 100% backwards. I proved Janet 100% wrong, and myself 100% right...and she even admitted in the end that she thought I had actually said something that I, in fact, had NOT said.

    You obviously think, in your twisted way of thinking, that simply saying something is so makes it so.

    Words are important, in addition and quotes used in their precise and correct context ARE important....and all I was doing was playing the gotcha game right back at some of you who seem to think that doing that is more important than actually debating issues.

    If you REALLY think that paraphrasing someone's words are the same thing as quoting them, then you have more problems than I can possibly solve, and you have absolutely NO business trying to be journalism critic.

    You see Jeff, from the very beginning, I remembered the exact exchange I made regarding that 'WPITW is satire' exchange I made a week ago....exactly as it really occured. You and Janet did not, as she later admitted.

    What this SHOULD teach you Jeff, is that you shouldn't rely on your memory about such things, but obviously YOUR mind remains shut as tight as a clam shell to anything that doesn't already fit all your pre-conceived notions.

    Jaff rants: "They're not my words! Says Mike. By his f-ed up logic, I can just go around screaming death to all muslims and just claim they're not my words, I just agree with Joe Blow. He said it first."

    But there is one fallacy in your argument that destroys it completely.

    If you go around screaming "death to all muslims", you DID say it and everyone who heard you say can say you said it". It becomes YOUR words once you say them, regardless of who said em first.

    However, thats NOT what happened in my case. I never actually used the words that you two claimed I used.

    So Jeff, If you REALLY can't see the difference, then it explains why you are doomed to remain a 'brown shirt' type follower and not a thinker.

    That said, none of this has to do with the definition of "satire", which is the other point I was 100% right about last night.

    Sorry, I'm checking out. You are so ridiculous that I can't keep this up any longer.

    Grammie


    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 28, 2007 2:26 AM


    Summary........

    "I'm sure I don't know what your 1:47 PM post means, Johnnie-Jeff,"

    I don't think Jeff knows what it means either!

    Besides, I think she is hot for me.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 28, 2007 1:44 PM

    Nah... I just want to borrow your tea dress.

    When you're a recluse and internet addict such as Cecelia, I'm sure her only conquests are on the internet, so I'm thinking you're in the running.

    Posted by: at November 28, 2007 1:47 PM


    You're number two, but keep trying.. harder... :D

    Mike, are you saying that wpitw is NOT satire? Or, are you saying it IS satire? I'm confused.

    That said, none of this has to do with the definition of "satire", which is the other point I was 100% right about last night.

    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 1:46 PM

    Wow! So you're right about a dictionary definition that you copied!

    Good job, Mike!

    How are you "right" about WPITW applying to that definition?

    Cecelia, I was going to ask to borrow the tea length dress with the cafe au lait scarf.

    Darn, you beat me to it.

    Grammie

    Cecelia, I was going to ask to borrow the tea length dress with the cafe au lait scarf.

    Darn, you beat me to it.

    Grammie
    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 28, 2007 2:19 PM

    Oh dear, Grammie... the "cafe au lait scarf" was originally a lovely seafoam... I accidently dropped it in Capon's rhetoric...

    shhhhh... don't tell him... :D

    "Mike, are you saying satire is not satire or that it is satire. Or are you saying it IS satire? I'm confused."

    What started the entire convoluted argument was my agreement a week ago with another poster who said it was.

    So yes, in my opinion, the typical WPITW segment fits several terms of the dictionary definition of satire perfectly (see 10:46 PM post for that).

    It is apparent that MIKE in addition to satire doesn't understand sarcasm either.

    It appears that he has no concept of irony either. This from the avid KO devotee:

    "
    Words are important, in addition and quotes used in their precise and correct context ARE important....and all I was doing was playing the gotcha game right back at some of you who seem to think that doing that is more important than actually debating issues.

    If you REALLY think that paraphrasing someone's words are the same thing as quoting them, then you have more problems than I can possibly solve, and you have absolutely NO business trying to be journalism critic."

    Grammie

    Mums the word Cecelia.

    What a fitting euphemism for 'chicken sh*t', Capon rhetoric. :)

    Grammie

    "It is apparent that Mike in addition to satire doens't understand sarcasm either"

    Then perhaps you could take the time to explain both in some form other than a long cut & paste movie critic taken from a newspaper?

    While you're at it, how about giving us a narrative as to why you don't believe the typicle WPITW segment DOESN'T fit the definition of satire? Once again,...spare us the cut n pastes please.

    "It appears he has no concept of irony either"

    I understand irony completely, and yes I'm fully aware that KO often plays the 'gotcha' game himself, but that isn't what I like about his show, or his stands.

    "This from the avid KO devotee:"

    I'm simply a "devotee" of the general principles that he stands for, NOT everything he says or does.

    Personally, I wish he would dispense with WPITW entirely. Too many people take it FAR too seriously, and that makes it detract from the important aspects of his show.

    So yes, in my opinion, the typical WPITW segment fits several terms of the dictionary definition of satire perfectly (see 10:46 PM post for that).

    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 2:24 PM

    I can't find the post. Would you (or someone else) please copy it, so I can read your argument?

    Personally, I wish he would dispense with WPITW entirely. Too many people take it FAR too seriously, and that makes it detract from the important aspects of his show.

    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 2:38 PM


    THAT is the LAMEST COMMENT In The WORLD!

    Satire?

    "I can't find that post"

    Excuse me. 10:41 PM on November 27.

    That shouldn't be too hard.

    You haven't argued how WPITW "fits several terms" of the dictionary definition, you've merely said that it does fit.

    How so?

    MIKE IS THE BIGGEST MORON ON THE INTERNET!!

    Satire?

    Making my statement: "SO simply agreeing with someone else's CLAIM (caps mine) is the same thing as making the claim myself?"

    Agreeing with the quote is ALL I did...I did NOT make the original quote....JUST as I said!

    The strange thing is how you used actual quotations when posting the quote I DIDN'T say....and then you failed to use quotes as you followed up with what I actually DID say.

    And, oh yeah....CAPS MINE!!!!!

    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 1:07 AM


    Could there be a bigger baby on the internets? Whaaa! Whaaaaa!!!!!!!

    If Cecelia and Jeff REALLY think that Pricele$$ at 11:33 is the same poster as 'Patsy', then your collective skill at practicing clairvoyance has gone from zero to nothing. Posted by: 'mike' at November 28, 2007 12:31 AM

    I can't speak for Jeff but I do know that Mike nor Cecelia knows what in the hell they're talking about when it comes to guessing the identity of posters on this board. I've been accused of being so many posters on here it's now a source of great amusement and bemusement to me. I've challenged them both, more than once, to ask JD to check the IPS for posters they've accused me of being and somehow neither of them ever seems to have the guts to follow through. I guess neither has the guts to find out they were wrong and issue the apology that it would require.
    It doesn't keep them from making the accusations though. But at least it keeps them busy and fills what must be their extremely empty lives.

    Could there be a bigger baby on the internets? Whaaa! Whaaaaa!!!!!!!
    Posted by: at November 28, 2007 2:58 PM


    Whaaa.... whaaaa.... HE'S THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD!!

    satire?

    MIKE, the first time you accused me of playing fast and loose with quotations and using quotes I said this:

    "Mike, could you please explain this byzantine comment:

    "The strange thing is how you used actual quotations when posting the quote I DIDN'T say....and then you failed to use quotes as you followed up with what I actually DID say."

    I make every effort to use quotes and give attribution. That does not mean that i can't make a mistake.

    However, I don't see what you accused me of. It is possible but I don't see it.

    Just lay it out if I did it and I will beg your forgiveness.

    Grammie
    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at November 28, 2007 1:22 AM "

    Now you make the accusation again and again I ask you to either copy and paste the example or point me to my comment and indicate my error.

    As I said last night "However, I don't see what you accused me of. It is possible but I don't see it.". I just reviewed again and still don't see it.

    How about putting your money where your mouth is.

    Grammie

    Thanks FLUCKEWR!

    Grammie

    Janet: "How about putting your money where your mouth is."

    Do you REALLY want to start this whiole ridiculous argument all over again?

    For the umteenth time, you claimed that I made the claim that WPITW was satire, when all I actually did was make a quick post agreeing with SOMEONE ELSE"S CLAIM."

    You also posted a requote to that effect with "WPITW is usually satire" and placed my name under the quotes at 12:35.

    You (and Jeff) inanely responded to a direct challenge from me to 'find' a quote from me in which I made such a claim...you couldn't (as I knew you couldn't), so instead, you reposted my agreement with SOMEONE ELSES'S claim instead, trying to make it APPEAR as if "WPITW is usually satire" were my words.

    Are you THAT dense...or are you just attempting to pull my chain? Quite frankly, I don't have the time for any more of this bull.

    Cecelia: "Satire?"............... = ridicule to expose vice or folly!

    See dictionary quote at 10:41 PM.

    Any more questions?

    Or would you like to argue with the dictionary?

    Cecelia: "Satire?"............... = ridicule to expose vice or folly!

    See dictionary quote at 10:41 PM.

    Any more questions?

    Or would you like to argue with the dictionary?

    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 3:45 PM

    No, same question--

    MIKE IS THE STUPIDEST MAN IN THE WORLD!!

    Satire?

    Nice Cecelia:

    Couldn't make a coherent rebuttal so now you've turn to the standard playbook for such situations....Ad Hominem personal attacks!

    It wasn't your fight....You could have just stayed out of it and made yourself at least SEEM smarter than you actually are (remember that old fable about removing all doubt?)

    For once, I agree with Mike.

    Nice Cecelia:

    Couldn't make a coherent rebuttal so now you've turn to the standard playbook for such situations....Ad Hominem personal attacks!

    It wasn't your fight....You could have just stayed out of it and made yourself at least SEEM smarter than you actually are (remember that old fable about removing all doubt?)
    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 4:15 PM


    So you're characterizing my calling you "THE STUPIDEST MAN IN THE WORLD" over your argument (that is nothing more than the repeating of a dictionary definition) as an ad hominem attack, but when Keith does the same thing over someone else's argument or action, you agree that it's "satire"?

    Might that definition, that you keep repeating, imply something more to the meaning of ridicule than you're suggesting and something about tone, tenor, and distance?

    We'll never know, because instead of making an argument for your claim that Olbermann's WPITW is satrical, you just repeat a rote definition.

    However, I think you managed to answer any questions and imply something accurate about "irony" by calling it an ad hominem attack when I labeled you that way.

    For once, I agree with Mike.

    Posted by: Brandon at November 28, 2007 4:25 PM

    Do you dislike me enough that I'm worth you're having to wear the tea dress, Brandon?

    "might that definition, that you keep repeating, imply something more to the meaning of ridicule than you're suggesting and something about tone, tenor, and distance."

    Absolutely not!

    What you're doing is precisely what I have already said is the problem with the WPITW segment: ..... Too many people, yourself included, take it WAAAAYYYY too seriously. I think it is meant to be a nothing more than a humorous segment poking fun at political adversaries. Nothing more. On rare occasions only, the tone becomes more serious.

    What you just did to me is anything but the same thing KO is doing nightly as part of a regular segment on the less serious part of the show....as you imply. Your attack on me was not intended as comedy, nor is it part of a routine you normally do. If you fail to get that, it isn't MY problem.

    Why do you think he has named himself a WPITW? Did you miss the irony when he did that?

    That said, who do you think is his REAL WPITW? .... And have you ever seen his face in that grouping? I haven't.

    Finally, You keep putting me in the rather awkward position of forcing me to defend the very portion of the show I've already told you I personally dislike the most....Mainly becuase I don't really think KO is quite enough of the comedian to pull it off properly.

    I think it is satire....I think it fits the parameters I posted earlier to a 'T' most of the time....if you disagree, so be it....I'm not of the illusion that I can convince you of anything....but try to move on and we'll just agree to disagree....now is that so difficult for you?

    Can you say "worser"?

    I think it is satire....I think it fits the parameters I posted earlier to a 'T' most of the time....if you disagree, so be it....I'm not of the illusion that I can convince you of anything....but try to move on and we'll just agree to disagree....now is that so difficult for you?

    Can you say "worser"?
    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 5:17 PM


    Actually, Mike, what I did to you WAS indeed satirical. I took the issue-- what Olbermann does (label someone as being the WPITW) and applied it to you in a way that ridiculed and derided your argument.

    Had I merely taken what I thought was a stupid action or comment of yours and denounced it as being stupid, or even the "worser" comment/action of two stupid ones, that would NOT be the same thing as what I did do, at all. Even if I smiled while doing it...

    Olbermann naming himself may qualify as beng satire in that he is skewering himself by using his own conception (the WPITW segment). There is distance in that, even if he's talking about himself.

    However, there is NO irony in labeling something bad as being bad...even when you use a cutsey play on words such as "worser".

    Puppet Theater is definitely satire, and he skewers political enemies there too, but WPITW, is what it is...a forum to frankly point out things that Olbermann considers questionable. Whether he's laughing at the person or the action or not.

    BTW-- the Washington Post reporter wearing camo and hunter's orange after Cheney's accident-- SATIRE that was very funny, indeed.

    It's getting pretty certain to say that Freddy is approaching the level of RK's idiocy now.

    Also--I wonder how $4-5 a gallon for gas by next November will affect the GOP candidates ?

    Posted by: at November 28, 2007 7:33 PM


    Well, well. Philby likened me to Bill Kristol and Karl Rove. Now, patsy/why has likened me to Fred Thompson. Thanks, philby and patsy!

    Mike, does your wife dress you? Olbermann is dead serious with his "Worst Person" bit. No 'satire,' whatsoever. I actually am starting to feel sorry for you. Fire up your tevo and watch him real close during his bit. He is dead serious. Hence, the name, Krazy Keith.

    Oil took a dive in price today. You can hear the sound of Liberal Loons weeping as the prospect of $5/gal gas vanishes. These people WANT the economy to tank, want prices to soar, want their own country to lose a war.

    Wall Street has had two back-to-back great days. Oil prices have dropped. A recent poll shows that the number of Americans who have a more positive view of the War has doubled in the last two months. Will Olbermann report on any of this? Of course not. Will Liberal Loon Think admit that this is all true news? Of course not. If their leader/idol/god/pretend boyfriend Keith Olbermann will not admit it's true, they don't think it exists. Read a real newspaper instead of your favorite internet "sources" and you might learn something every now and again "Think".

    Of course it's all gloom and doom. Would you expect anything else from the old york times?

    cross the picket line and write for Letterman.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 28, 2007 9:41 PM


    No, thanks. I think Davey would have me thrown out after I blackened both of his eyes.

    "I think Davey would have me thrown out after I blackened both of his eyes."

    Still haven't master the proper technique of installing eyeliner, huh Jeff?

    Practicing on cows just doesn't cut it, does it?

    MIKE, here is your accusation against me (enclosed in quotes to indicate these are your words not mine):

    "The strange thing is how you used actual quotations when posting the quote I DIDN'T say....and then you failed to use quotes as you followed up with what I actually DID say.

    And, oh yeah....CAPS MINE!!!!!
    Posted by: Mike at November 28, 2007 1:07 AM"

    MIKE, I copied and pasted your quote in its entirety and put a quote mark in front of the first sentence that you had enclosed in quotes YOURSELF. I put my ending quote mark at the end of the comment.

    Let me copy and paste your comment without any quote marks by me. This is your comment in toto:

    "WPITW is usually satire"

    It IS rather amazing that so many KO critics don't seem to understand that.
    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 1:38 AM

    This is my copying and pasting your comment with the use of quote marks to indicate that I was QUOTING you with an introductory sentence:

    Well, MIKE, here are your words:

    ""WPITW is usually satire"

    It IS rather amazing that so many KO critics don't seem to understand that.
    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 1:38 AM "


    Now please explain to me how using your words exactly as written by you with your punctuation marks surrounded by my quotes to indicate the entire comment was yours is using quote marks to lie about what you said.

    Now on to the second part of your accusation "and then you failed to use quotes as you followed up with what I actually DID say"


    MIKE, as a premier student of logic you well know that proving a negative is theoretically not possible and therefore the burden of proof rests on the accuser.

    As far as I know I did not fail to use quotes on words you actually said. If you can supply me with the example I will acknowledge that I made an error.

    One last point. Does this statement of yours to me not strike you as more than a bit melodramatic and hysterical:

    " "You claimed that the WPITW was satire. Of course you made the claim yourself."

    And I, MIKE (caps mine), herebye claim you are WRONG (caps mine)! .... And now challenge you to find the quote, .... or henceforth forever live in shame on this blog for making false claims you can't back up.
    Posted by: Mike at November 27, 2007 11:24 PM "

    "Henceforth forever live in shame on this blog for making false claims you can't back up."

    Are you secretly addicted to romance novels that always have at least one passage to this effect:

    As he pressed his throbbing manhood against her she felt her blood run hot and burn her skin with desire.

    Grammie

    11:49, was there a punchline in there, somewhere?

    I suggest you ask MIKE that question.

    I don't have a clue what propels him to be so histrionic using phrases such as "Henceforth forever live in shame on this blog for making false claims you can't back up.".

    You both seem to be well attuned to each other. Perhaps you can explain it together.

    Grammie

    Janet, are you completely nuts?

    Why do you keep saying "WPITW is usually satire" was MY comment when you know damned well it was someone else's comment I had placed in quotes in order to make a simple follow up comment in agreement to?

    By YOUR convoluted logic "WPITW is usually satire" were YOUR words as well!

    "I suggest you ask Mike that question."

    "I don't have a clue what propells him to be so histrionic using phrases such as "Henceforth forever live in shame on this blog for making false statements you can't back up"

    Thats obviously because you don't understand or recognize satirical humor when you see it.

    "By YOUR convoluted logic "WPITW is usually satire" were YOUR words as well!"

    In the context of any post that I quoted them in they are. They did not "droppeth" into my comment "as the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath" and only God knows who said it or where. And if you were to quote a phrase or sentence that I used it in you would, or should, use quotation marks properly.

    "Janet, are you completely nuts?"

    No, MIKE, I am not. I realize that you and some of the others here think that any disagreement is a sign of everything from insanity, stupidity to moral turpitude but I am not "nuts".

    Let me ask you a question in the same spirit.

    Are you stupid, ignorant or both?

    Grammie

    You should see her behavior at the Klan meetings she attends with Cecilia.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 30, 2007 8:52 PM

    Do tell, WDTY. How do the people wearing those hoods act at the KKK meetings you've attended?

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