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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    November 15, 2007
    Keith Olbermann Embarrassed into Silence...by Brian Williams!

    Just yesterday, we pointed out how Keith Oralmann has stopped reporting on the war in Iraq. No more dispatches from the NBC News team detailing the progress of the effort, for four weeks now. So what is NBC reporting? What is the news that Edward R Olbermann refuses to tell his viewers? John Gibson has the tape that the discredited baseball card collector will never allow on The Hour of Spin:


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (175) | | View blog reactions

    175 Comments

    Is anyone really surprised Kieff doesn't want us to win the war on terror? Maybe if Hillary gets elected and it becomes her problem, then he'll have a change of heart and hope for improvement and REPORT on improvement-- because then it will make Democrats look good.

    Keith, why do you hate Bush more than you support the troops?

    All these Keith Olbermann haters are a bunch of dumb fucks. Go get a life.

    "All these Keith Olbermann haters are a bunch of dumb fucks. Go get a life."

    A perfect example of the quintessential intellectualism of the modern liberal.

    This rhetoric - and this language - is all they're capable of, and apparently all they have left.

    Too bad. Comments on topic might have been interesting.

    Olby bin Laden doesn't want us to bomb his pals in Tehran for their rogue nuclear program. It was all over the 'net today. I'm sure Olbytard will never breathe a word about it. He's protecting his Islamofascist cohorts.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2212071,00.html

    PB, I've been on this site before, most of the people on here are a bunch of sociotpathic retards. I'm not going to bother debating them cuz people who disagree with them don't get listened to, rather, they get abused.

    "He's protecting his Islamofascist cohorts"
    Your mom's an Islamofascist.

    wow, I must be the only one on this shitty site. No wonder you guys make fun of Kos so much, you wish you had the number of hits he does.

    > most of the people on here are a bunch of sociotpathic retards

    That explains why you're here.

    PEOPLE, PEOPLE...

    I know how backed up most of you republicans are; check out BigSausagePizza.com, by the time you're done doin your business on that site, your mind will be so clear you might become a democrat.

    ''I'm not going to bother debating them cuz people who disagree with them don't get listened to, rather, they get abused.''

    Joel, not only are you an idiot, you are also a liar. Sounds like a typical libnut to me. It appears that you are debating us.

    And you were correct about us abusing you. When you make retarded comments, expect to be abused in return.

    I will not respond people who are sociopaths; especially sociopaths who don't have handle names :p

    "George Bush is a criminal." - Olbermann

    A journalist is not a judge. A commentator does not state opinion as fact. George Bush, no matter how questionable his actions as president, has not been indicted on any criminal charges.

    Here in the state, we have due process. People are innocent until proven guilty. They are not guilty when indicted and most certainty not considered guilty before the indictment.

    You are not Edward R. Murrow. You are a hysterical protestor with a podium on television. That is all.

    Joel, you don't even know me (and I do have a HANDLE that I always use) and yet you said this about me:

    "All these Keith Olbermann haters are a bunch of dumb fucks. Go get a life." dumb fucks. Go get a life.
    Posted by: Joel at November 15, 2007 9:10 PM "

    Then you wail and whine that you in your glorious intellectualism know that: "PB, I've been on this site before, most of the people on here are a bunch of sociotpathic retards. I'm not going to bother debating them cuz people who disagree with them don't get listened to, rather, they get abused."

    Has it ever crossed your mind that your approach discourages civil debate?

    I don't know about you but when someone starts a conversation with me calling me a "sociotpathic (sic) retard" I tend to get a tad fussy about it.

    I know! I'm a bit(OK maybe a lot older and not quite up with the times but being labeled a sociopathic (pls note the correct spelling) retard does tend to upset me.

    I'm sorry dear but some things do get my dander up!

    Grammie

    Like Katie Couric, Brian Williams has no credibility as a serious journalist - in Herr Goebbelsmann's eyes.


    Unless Miss USA asserts so. Then Dan Abrams will trash her pointing out Williams reporting from Iraq.

    Janet, I'm guessing you've never misspelled a word before?

    Boooo! I hate Olbermann. Why can't he just leave me alone so I can keep living a lie the way fox lets me?

    The above blather has a distinct Johnny-Jeff ring to it.

    Posted by: Anonymous at November 15, 2007 9:51 PM


    Wrong, philby. That's the olbyloon game. I am me. You are many.

    "Wrong, philby. That's the olbyloon game. I am me. You are many."

    There is no "olbyloon game". Wake up, dude. It's all in your head.

    "I don't know about you, but when someone starts a conversation with me calling me a "sociotpathic (sic) retard", I tend to get a tad fussy about it."

    Yes, Janet...it's SO nice that you have been such a paragon of virtue regarding behavior on this board!

    I mean like....repeatedly addressing someone by using a childish charicature of their name even after being politely asked several times not to do that.

    But THAT'S different, isn't it?

    After all, we should always treat YOU with the utmost respect...whether you've earned it or not.

    Joel, of course I have misspelled words. I am, though, a bit OCD about it but some do still slip through.

    Now that that my spelling expertise or lack thereof is out of the way it is glaringly apparent that you have avoided the substance of my comment.

    Step up to the plate, dear. Lay some arguments on me that go beyond my being a"dumb fuck" and a "sociotpathic (sic) retards".

    The same-o same-o insults get quite tiresome without anything to back them up.

    Grammie

    Mike,

    Don't we have more important stuff to talk about, like Iraq?

    Boooo! I hate Olbermann. Why can't he just leave me alone . . .?

    Posted by: Jack Wingnut at November 15, 2007 10:44 PM

    Here's a simple solution. When you tune in to Countdown, promise yourself that you will turn it off when Olbermann tells a lie. This means that you will never have to watch more than 30 seconds a night of Meltdown. Then Olbermann will "leave you alone".

    You're welcome.

    Mike,

    Olby spends too much of his hour doing FNC watch, and now you are here on OW doing mostly Mike Watch lately. I guess that prooves that the surge must be working. Nobody on the left wants to talk about Iraq anymore.

    "Don't we have more important stuff to talk about, like Iraq?"

    what good would it do? What haven't we talked about? Who's mind has been changed? Who's mind do you think is even open to be changed?

    Janet, how old are you again?

    Old enough that no gentleman would ask?

    Grammie

    aw man...the guy with no handle name is on...as always. doesn't that guy ever go away? First of all, it's annoying cuz it's hard as hell to address him, secondly he never has anything remotely intelligible
    to say. He just blabbers on and on about angry jibber jabber. Can we just assign a name to him? I know, how bout Dick Hurtz?

    Janet, why do you keep saying Grammie at the end of your comments? Is it because you like being condescending to people?

    Mike,

    Very clever, Mike. Is it just a coincidence that you have discovered this fact when the surge appears to be working? And just by another coincidence, lots of others opposed to the war in Iraq don't want to talk about it much, either.

    I will not respond people who are intelligent; especially smart conservatives who don't have to change their names from O'Liely like me :p

    Posted by: Joel at November 15, 2007 9:52 PM

    You just did moron. Go back to that Kos bath house.

    moron? me? You're the one making up quotes that don't exist

    "I guess that proves that the surge must be working. Nobody on the left wants to talk about Iraq anymore."

    Well Rico...that statement is proof that you never read or understood anything I ever posted in opposition to the war, doesn't it?

    NEVER, have I EVER posted any opposition to this war based on any of the changing cycles in the war. NEVER have I been gulity of citing good or bad days as justification for my opposition.

    My opposition has ALWAYS been based on these FACTS:

    1) - There was never reasonable justification to invade and occupy Iraq.

    2) - Removing Saddam from power was not worth one American life.....much less 4,000.

    3) - We are not even paying for the war. It is being fought on borrowed money.

    4) - Attempting to control the future of Iraq does not advance the interests of America one iota, regardless of the ultimate outcome.

    5) - America's loss of moral and ethical leadership in the world will and has hurt us far more than 911 ever could.

    6) - By invading and occupying Iraq, we did precisely what Al Qeada wanted us to do.

    7) - For the most part, chickenhawks who had no understanding of the military, it's purpose, it's culture, or it's historic mission planned and executed this entire fiasco.

    8) - We have failed to take care of the damaged veterans from Vietnam and later conflicts adequately. Who were these chickenhawks to create so many more?

    9) - World wise and experienced people like myself were against the war from day one.

    Nothing that has happened since....or could possibly happen can change that.

    The "surge" changes nothing regarding the ultimate wisdom and morality of this insane endeavor. It just makes people like you feel better about it. Go ahead and fly your flag high if it makes you feel like more of a patriot.


    But you still want to talk about the war, huh?

    2008 Democratic National Convention -- Schedule of Events

    7:00 pm ~ Opening flag burning
    7:15 pm ~ Pledge of Allegiance to the U. N.
    7:20 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    7:25 pm ~ Nonreligious prayer and worship with Jesse Jackson
    and Al Sharpton
    7:45 pm ~ Ceremonial tree hugging
    7:55 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    8:00 pm ~ How I Invented the Internet - Al Gore
    8:15 pm ~ Gay Wedding Planning - Barney Frank presiding
    8:35 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    8:40 pm ~ Our Troops are War Criminals - John Kerry
    9.00 pm ~ Memorial service for Saddam and his sons - Cindy
    Sheehan and Susan Sarandon
    10:00 pm ~ "Answering Machine Etiquette" - Alec Baldwin
    11:00 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    11:05 pm ~ Collection for the Osama Bin Laden kidney transplant
    fund - Barbara Streisand
    11:15 pm ~ Free the Freedom Fighters from Guantanamo Bay - Sean
    Penn
    11:30 pm ~ Oval Office Affairs - William Jefferson Clinton
    11:45 pm ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    11:50 pm ~ How George Bush Brought Down the World Trade Towers
    - Howard Dean
    12:15 am ~ "Truth in Broadcasting Award" - Presented to Dan
    Rather by Michael Moore
    12:25 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    12:30 am ~ Satellite address by Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
    12:45 am ~ Nomination of Hillary Rodham Clinton by Nancy Pelosi
    1:00 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    1:05 am ~ Coronation of Hillary Rodham Clinton
    1:30 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    1:35 am ~ Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home

    Please join us

    dude, seriously this guy with no permanent handle name is a wacko, i wish someone would pop him in the mouth, the guy totally deserves it...that and a tranqualizer

    OK Mike.if you consider someone calling me a "sociotpathic (sic) retard" and "dumb fucks" to say nothing of the slings and arrows I have been the target of so often from your side of the aisle to my calling you Mikey I won't do it anymore.

    You will be to me henceforth Michael.

    What was that movie with Joel Osmond whatever Pass it On? I have every confidence that by my taking this step forward with you it won't be long before your compadres gradually cease and desist from calling me any and every profane insulting name of women.

    I give you my pledge that I will only address you as MiICHAEL.

    Will you pledge to stand up for me when I am viciously insulted and degraded from your compadres?

    Grammie

    Mike,

    Well, at least I got you talking about Iraq again! You are welcome, Sir! Let me respond to your talking points.

    1) If you do not understand that a democratic Iraq is good for Iraq, good for the US, and good for the world it is because you have another agenda, a hidden one, that prevents you from seeing it. That's why I ask you "what are you for?" The answer to that question is the answer to what Mike has become. Long story short, fucked up in the head. Since you don't believe in anything anymore, you despise anyone who does.

    2) Same as #1

    3) WW II was fought on borrowed money. So what?

    4) Same as #1

    5) Those who hate us are either dingbats or the enemy.

    6) They only want that if we lose. If we win, then it will be a nightmare for them.

    7) So Grammie can't call you "Mikey" but you can call people "chickenhawks"? Makes a lot of sense.

    8) I agree with you on this one. Which Democrat has demanded a change? Hold it, they are the majority in Congress now. What have they done about it?

    9) You are not "world wise", you are diseased. To proove me wrong, just tell me what you are for. Simple!

    Yes, I want to talk about the war. But I would rather talk about what is going on inside your head.

    Peace, Mike!

    Who's mind do you think is even open to be changed?

    Posted by: Mike at November 15, 2007 11:10 PM


    Mostly, yours.

    k, "Grammie", if you're going to correct me for irrelevent typos, I shall do the same to you. First of all, the movie was called "Pay It Forward". Second of all, the actor is known as HALEY Joel Osment.

    Dude, that guy with no handle needs to shut the fuck up. He's just a troll trying to disrupt the conversation.

    Mike, change his mind? You mean, like flipping from (R) to (d) all because he turned against a radio talk show host (Rush) who is a (R)? Loyal??????

    Rush Limbauh? The Comedian?

    There is no "olbyloon game". Wake up, dude. It's all in your head.

    Posted by: Ron Jeremy at November 15, 2007 11:01 PM


    A certain olbyloon must have just returned from his favorite movie theater dirctly after the afternoon donkey show in TJ.

    Well Janet, let me answer your questions(s) with some questions:

    1) - Do you HONESTLY think anything that anyone has called you is worse than say....what Laura Bush/Phoney Soldier has called ME? He/she isn't the only example of an obvious sociopath on your side either. I could name others.

    2) - Do you HONESTLY think it actually bothers me when I get called every name in the book by sociopaths like that?

    3) - Don't you HONESTLY think that the only ones on this board who possess the power to actually insult me would be the ones that I still retain a modicum of respect for myself?

    4) - Do you think that my opinion of you is diminished one iota by someone calling you a derogatory name? Do you think anyone else on here uses such criteria to judge you personally with either?
    5) - So what's wrong with "Mike"?

    Mike,
    Sadam admitted that he was waiting for the U.N. to lift sanctions, which it was planning on doing. He was then going to attempt to build a nuclear bomb because of Iran. If Sadam were still in power, we would have an Iraq soon to have a nuclear bomb and Iran soon to have a nuclear bomb and both of them funding terrorists. That would be ok with Mike as long a George Bush was not in power. For Mike and his Brown Shirts, the only thing that matters is that their party is in power.

    Mike, isn't it ironic that Janet would talk down to you like a child using the name "Mikey", when you in fact are one of the only real grown-ups here?

    Joel, I notice that you for all your weaving and dodging you have STILL not addressed any issue raised.

    Could it be that you are an empty suit?

    Grammie

    "Mike change his mind? You mean like flipping from an (R) to a (d) all because he turned against a radio talk show host (Rush) who is an (R). Loyal?????"

    You made that up.....just like you make everything up.

    My loyalty is to my COUNTRY! .... Not to ANY political party.

    Sorry you're having trouble understanding that.

    Janet,

    If I wanted to address REAL issues, I wouldn't be on this site.

    Hey Grammie,

    I can picture you smoking a corncob pipe. Do you?

    How's them pom-poms, Baby?

    corn cob pipe? Nah, I think Grammie's one of those old ladies who smokes pot to ease her glaucoma

    'mike', I made nothing up. Don't make me go back and find it. You claimed you left the (R) party soley because of the Rush/pill fiasco. I distinctly remember you saying that. Must have been one of those light nights you wish to forget or can't remember......

    Grammie most definitely either uses joints or one of those cigar things that look like pine cones.

    You made that up.....just like you make everything up.

    My loyalty is to my COUNTRY! .... Not to ANY political party.

    Sorry you're having trouble understanding that.

    Posted by: Mike at November 16, 2007 12:09 AM

    Another lie by Mike. Be careful Mike you are catching up with Olbermann. You have specifically stated in the past that you stopped voting for Republicans because of Rush Limbaugh's support of the War. No one actually ever believed you ever voted for George Bush. It is your attempt to fool people into thinking that you " came to your senses".It shows how cowardly liberals are that they won't admit to what they really are.

    Them pom poms are still spectacular I hope! :)

    Not a pipe for me but I loved my husband's pipe and cigars.

    Grammie

    Oh my god! Grammie smokes crack, doesn't she?

    Ever notice how Olbermann NEVER puts on a guest that dare to disagree with him. That chick nobody ever heard of from ERR AMERICA seems to have a standing invitation tho

    "'mike', I made nothing up."....As I said, you make EVERYTHING up, including that.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Don't make me go back and find it"....Unfartunately I can't "make" you do anything. However, if I could, I would probably elect to "make" you get an education to replace that indoctrination you now embrace.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "You claimed you left the (R) party solely because of the Rush pill/fiasco".....I claimed no such thing. Defective memory and selective comprehesion is probably why you are so misguided politically.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "I distinctly remember you saying that".....Early signs of Alzheimers?....they used to simply call your problem senility.

    What is up with all these dummies that bitch about Olbermann not putting on guests that "disagree" with him. Do you guys actually not understand the format of the show? It's not intended as a debate show.

    Michael, I bowed to your wish that I not call you "M***y because you were so demeaned by it.

    Are you willing to reciprocate?

    Just asking!

    Grammie

    Right, Joel!

    Lefties don't debate, they just rant. Like you are doing.........

    wow...you just made up a new stereotype that includes half the people in this country. Good job, Rico.

    Joel,

    Well, it's true. If you don't fit the stereotype, then debate somebody. Proove me wrong, representative of half of the country.

    Honestly, other than some senile old woman, there is no republican on this site who has more than the maturity level of a 13 year old. And while I have said some immature things on here, it's only becuase i have no respect for you guys.

    Factor:

    "Another lie by Mike"....Prove it liar!
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    "You have specifically stated in the past that you stopped voting for republicans because of Rush Limbaugh's support for the war".....Once again, I "stated" no such thing! Which was it now, you two liars; was it Rush's pill thing, or was it his support for the war.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "No one ever believed you ever voted for George Bush"....Do you HONESTLY believe I give a damn what YOU think? I care only about what people I respect think, and you are the only one on here who has ever questioned THAT. The real question is; why does that threaten you so much?
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "It is your attempt to fool people into thinking "you came to your senses"".....I have never tried to "fool" anyone on this board regarding my beliefs or politics....and once again, YOUR pathetic opinion means NOTHING to me.
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "It shows how cowardly liberals are that they won't admit to what they really are".....You personally demonstrate the true definition of what a "coward" really is every time you call someone else a "coward" on this board. The only reason your teeth are still intact is that you repeatedly choose to do it behind the safety and anonimity of a public discussion board!

    Rico, I notice that Joel is a clone of Flucker.

    His only response to anything and everything
    is a personal insult or attack.

    Joel is nothing more or less than an AGITPROP.

    Grammie

    Grammie, in case you didn't notice, the Cold War is over

    Janet: "Are you willing to reciprocate?"

    1) - Did you ever 'hear' me call myself "michael"? Now go back and review once again what my name really is.

    2) - Define "reciprocate"?

    More Global Goreing myths debunked.

    A team of NASA and university scientists has detected an ongoing reversal in Arctic Ocean circulation triggered by atmospheric circulation changes that vary on decade-long time scales. The results suggest not all the large changes seen in Arctic climate in recent years are a result of long-term trends associated with global warming.
    The team of scientists found a 10-millibar decrease in water pressure at the bottom of the ocean at the North Pole between 2002 and 2006, equal to removing the weight of 10 centimeters (four inches) of water from the ocean. The distribution and size of the decrease suggest that Arctic Ocean circulation changed from the counterclockwise pattern it exhibited in the 1990s to the clockwise pattern that was dominant prior to 1990.
    "Our study confirms many changes seen in upper Arctic Ocean circulation in the 1990s were mostly decadal in nature, rather than trends caused by global warming," said [James Morison of the University of Washington's Polar Science Center Applied Physics Laboratory].
    The Arctic Oscillation was fairly stable until about 1970, but then varied on more or less decadal time scales, with signs of an underlying upward trend, until the late 1990s, when it again stabilized. During its strong counterclockwise phase in the 1990s, the Arctic environment changed markedly, with the upper Arctic Ocean undergoing major changes that persisted into this century. Many scientists viewed the changes as evidence of an ongoing climate shift, raising concerns about the effects of global warming on the Arctic.
    Morison said data gathered by Grace and the bottom pressure gauges since publication of the paper earlier this year highlight how short-lived the ocean circulation changes can be. The newer data indicate the bottom pressure has increased back toward its 2002 level. "The winter of 2006-2007 was another high Arctic Oscillation year and summer sea ice extent reached a new minimum," he said. "It is too early to say, but it looks as though the Arctic Ocean is ready to start swinging back to the counterclockwise circulation pattern of the 1990s again."

    Grammie,

    I think they're all clones of each other, and that my diagnosis of them all is dead right on.

    Rico, you hit the nail full force on the head with that!

    Grammie

    clones?? that's impossible. You queers don't believe in stem cell research, let alone fully developed clones!!

    What is up with all these dummies that bitch about Olbermann not putting on guests that "disagree" with him. Do you guys actually not understand the format of the show? It's not intended as a debate show.

    Posted by: Joel at November 16, 2007 12:29 AM

    Exactly Joel. Why should Olbermann debate people who disagree with him? I mean we finally got someone who tells the truth. If your telling the truth there's no need for debate. Debate just gets in the way of Olbermann telling the truth. The people who disagee with Olbermann are not telling the truth so they are liars. Olbermann is doing a good thing by not allowing liars on his show and continuing to tell the truth as he always has.

    philby/rudy/clucker/jennifer/anonymous/anon/joel. Are we missing any? I would say yes. 'mike' still has her beat, though. patsy has them all beat.

    Dude, i don't know if you're too crazy to get a handle name, or if you're just that much of a pussy, but you need to stop.

    Factor, I saw that earlier today.

    Did you catch this @ NB:

    "Another College Paper Shocker: Global Warming is Killing Us…Not!"

    I think I will start stocking up wool mittens and clothes before the big freeze catches up with us. :)

    Grammie

    "'mike' still has her beat, though, patsy has them all beat."

    Smatter Jeff, get tired of trying to back up your latest fabrication about how I said 'I changed parties because of Rush's pill addiction'?

    BTW nameless loser, are you still blaming everything on the Islamofascists? Did your oatmeal taste shitty this morning because of the Islamofascists?

    Smatter Jeff, get tired of trying to back up your latest fabrication about how I said 'I changed parties because of Rush's pill addiction'?

    Posted by: Mike at November 16, 2007 12:58 AM


    In time, grasshopper. In time. Better hurry up and come up w/your spin.

    grasshopper??? royal king, you're really making an ass out of yourself

    "grasshopper??? royal king, you're really making an ass out of yourself"

    So what else is new?

    grasshopper??? royal king, you're really making an ass out of yourself

    Posted by: Joel at November 16, 2007 1:06 AM


    Thanks, philby!

    k...i don't even know who Philby is, so whatever

    "k...i don't even know who philby is, so whatever"

    Don't worry about it Joel. Jeff is on his claivoyant 'name game' kick again where he thinks he can tell who new and unamed posters are.

    Jeff is part of the fun. You'll never meet anyone like him in 'real' life.

    Honestly, other than some senile old woman, there is no republican on this site who has more than the maturity level of a 13 year old. And while I have said some immature things on here, it's only becuase i have no respect for you guys.

    Posted by: Joel at November 16, 2007 12:39 AM

    This coming from one with the maturity of Olby's girlfriend....

    CLASSIC!

    Jeff is part of the fun. You'll never meet anyone like him in 'real' life.

    Posted by: Mike at November 16, 2007 1:16 AM


    This drivel comng from an olbyloon who posted under at least 50 names! Too damn funny! (*)[+]-----

    Exactly Joel. Why should Olbermann debate people who disagree with him? I mean we finally got someone who tells the truth. If your telling the truth there's no need for debate. Debate just gets in the way of Olbermann telling the truth. The people who disagee with Olbermann are not telling the truth so they are liars. Olbermann is doing a good thing by not allowing liars on his show and continuing to tell the truth as he always has.

    Posted by: at November 16, 2007 12:53 AM

    I guess this is what Joel means about the lack of real issues on this site.

    "This drivel coming from an olbyloon who posted under at least 50 names!"

    We've been over that...again and again.... and I owe you nor anyone else any additional explanation, clarification, or apology.

    But I'm sure you'll continue to fall back on it when you have nothing else...which is always.

    At the moment, YOU need to back up your latest lie about how 'I said I changed parties because of Rush's drug addiction'.

    > What is up with all these dummies that bitch about Olbermann not putting on guests that "disagree" with him. Do you guys actually not understand the format of the show? It's not intended as a debate show.

    I love it when the Olbyloons come up with this defense. Because, they would have you believe, if you dare to interview a conservative, or a (gasp!) Republican, then--PRESTO!--it has to be a "debate show". It never occurs to them (or it does and they carefully refrain from saying so) that you don't have to debate someone in order to interview them. There is such a thing in journalism as giving both sides of the story. But then again, Olbermann is not a journalist. He's a baseball card collector.

    Olbermann, over the past year, has interviewed scores and scores of Democrats, and Not One Republican. He doesn't have to debate them. He can just ask questions. Instead, he attacks them nightly, and gives them no opportunity to respond. It's the most tightly scripted, controlled, one-sided presentation on any American news channel, rivalled only by, maybe, Radio North Korea.

    johnny, keith's guests normally aren't people from amy party, most of them like Richard Wolfe and Dana Milbank are journalists.

    and before you say anything, I meant to say "any"

    Michael, I want and have promised to always extend you the courtesy and honor of your given name which I assume to be Michael.

    No matter what from whom I will honor my word to you.

    It would be nice if only some of your compadres extended the same courtesy to me and the few other women at this site, We girls really do not like being called Fag Hags, Hags, Bags, harridans, c**ts, witches, bitches(you can scratch this one b?c it so commonplace), bags, sluts, whores, slatterns, and on and on and on.

    Not to worry though. Anything from me whether others continue on as usual or not will never use any other appellation than your given (I assume your given name is Michael) name, Michael.

    Grammie`

    Tonight is a classic example of how many RWingers debate:

    The discussion was about the war....then:

    1) - Factor responded, not with debate, but with a series of personal attacks, including name calling.

    2) - Jeff then joined in, not with debate, but with a series of personal attacks, including a lie about 'me changing parties because of Rush's drug addiction'.

    3) - Factor followed up, not with debate, but more personal attacks, including another lie about 'me changing parties because of Rush's support for the war'.

    4) - Jeff apparently thinks posting outright lies about something someone supposedly posted defines 'debate'.

    5) - Factor apparently thinks that his cowardly action of calling someone else a "coward" (again) on an anonymous discussion board defines 'debate'.

    Meanwhile...no one tried actually debating the points I raised in the post that started all the vitriol that followed....including the person that said he wanted to discuss the war in the first place (Rico).

    Repub Killa,

    Hey Dickey,

    There is nothing sillier than a dumb fuck white boy who mistakenly thinks he is a thug. Dumb fuck!

    If there's no one left to ethnically cleanse then we win, dumb fuck!

    When we gonna play another round of 20 questions, dumb fuck?

    When you gonna post some more fruity pics of yourself, dumb fuck?

    Eat that, bitch!

    Ugh...I need a cold beer after trying to talk to the idiots on this site.

    Dollar: "Olbermann, over the last year, has interviewed scores of Democrats, and not one republican."

    Actually, that is a lie! He interviewed at least two republicans following the MSNBC moderated republican debate.

    I know, I know....I'm nitpicking! The truth is he RARELY interviews republicans.

    But nitpicking is precisely what YOU do all the time.

    Joel, you have not talked to anyone on this site.

    All I've read is your bitching, whining and moaning.

    So, what were those points you wanted to make. I really don't think that this really rises to the level of adult conversation "old ladies who smokes pot to ease her glaucoma"

    Grammie`

    "What other names does Sean Hannity post under."

    OH, he won't tell you THAT. You see, Sean Hannity is on HIS side!

    Repub killa, Sean Hannity also posts under names such as "Rico", "Janet Hawkins", "The Factor", "Royal King", and many others...or at least I assume those are all the same person cuz there's no way that many different could be so fucking stupid.

    and yes, i made another typo. forgive me, it's 1:30 in the morning

    Michael, I want to point out to you in case you missed it that I made a pledge to you @ 1:47 AM.

    Grammie`

    Mike, why are we still on here? Is arguing with baboons that addictive??

    > johnny, keith's guests normally aren't people from amy party

    Keith's guests normally aren't people who disagree with him in any way. The ability for them to parrot back his own opinions and viewpoints is the primary requirement for appearing on The Hour of Spin. And if you want to say they aren't Democrats, then perhaps you should check The List and see the breakdown by party affiliation of Keith's political guests for the past year. Then perhaps you wouldn't appear so uninformed about the man you are an apologist for.

    Flucker, stuff a sock in it.

    Grammie`

    > Sean Hannity also posts under names such as "Rico", "Janet Hawkins", "The Factor", "Royal King", and many others

    You have guessed correctly. Once. And wrongly the other three times.

    "Michael, I want to point out to you that I made a pledge to you @ 1:47 AM."

    Yes, you pledged to call me something other than the name I use and prefer to be called.

    What do you want from me?

    How about I "pledge" to call you 'Jan'?

    1.I'm not "Flucker"
    2.Fuck you, old lady

    Have all the nutcases gone to bed?

    "Oh. I see. You were referencing a previous post by someone else."

    No, I think he was referencing yours.

    Think about it a little and you won't have any problem figuring out which of the 4 'Sean Hannity' actually is.

    "Ethnic cleansing" were the key words!

    "Plus, Olbermann never has claimed to be fair and balanced"

    As usual more leftys hoping that they will be able to post without their ignorance being exposed. Sorry dopes, not here.

    Olbermann never claiming that he's fair and unbiased?

    OJR (Online Journalism Review): How would you describe yourself politically on the liberal-to-conservative spectrum?
    KO: I'm not political. I don't vote. . . I have no more interest in the political outcome of an election than I did in the winner or loser of any ballgame I ever covered.

    http://www.ojr.org/ojr/stories/041130glaser/index.cfm

    Oh and let's see what you find when you go to MSLSD's website. How is Olby's show categorized? As an opinion show? A talk show? No, here's the answer:

    "Keith Olbermann is host of “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.” “Countdown,” a unique newscast that counts down the day’s top stories with Keith’s particular wit and style, telecasts weeknights, 8-9 p.m. ET on MSNBC."



    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080446/

    Do you believe that Keith's practice of restricting the content of his show to far left worldviews reflects journalistic integrity in light of the fact that his network, MSLSD, claims Countdown is a "news" show?

    Seriously, someone needs to shut down this website. Nothing good ever comes out of it. No rational discussion, no nothing. Just a handful of liberals trying to talk some sense into a bunch of hardheaded wingnuts. It's the same everytime I come here.

    "Seriously, someone needs to shut down this website. Nothin good ever comes out of it. No rational discussion, no nothing."

    Don't take it so seriously Joel. It's just entertainment.

    @Mike: yea, I guess so. In a way this site is the political version of the movie "Hostel". All the stuff that goes on in that movie is disturbing and perverted just like the political views on this site. I guess that's why it captivates us so much, cuz the things these people think are so disturbing.

    Michae oh sorry Mike (that is your preference I believe) are you going to step in and defend me from this:

    "2.FUCK YOU OLD LADY.

    You may call me Jan or anything else that you are comfortable with. My only request is that you don't emulate some of your compadres who seem to have been raised in a sewer.

    Whatever, you are and will be MIKE to me from here on out!

    Grammie`

    Seriously, someone needs to shut down this website. Nothing good ever comes out of it. No rational discussion, no nothing. Just a handful of liberals trying to talk some sense into a bunch of hardheaded wingnuts. It's the same everytime I come here.

    Posted by: Joel at November 16, 2007 2:36 AM

    My son Joel you are so correct! Allah condemns all those who fight for your Batil of a country! Any American who dares to respect its country by fighting for it, and fighting against our Jihad deserves to die a most horrible death!

    Death to all these conservative fajarahs who believe in their country, and who defend it!

    Adn is waiting for you Joel with 73 virgins smacking their lips! You have served me well my son, and with every insult to your Khabith country there is one more of its soldiers who may die because of it!

    There is nothing more I could ask from you, but only to say that you must keep it up!

    Don't forget to mention in your next tirade the horrible and inhumane torturing of our fellow jihadists (Allah forbid!...water boarding and the MOST HORRIBLE of ALL...UNDERWEAR over our Abrar soldiers heads!), and until I see you again on this most horrendous site my loyal follower....

    Akuba Ayeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    k...I'm gunna just ignore that last comment. That was just dumb.

    Joel you have earned the PHD in DUMB and you never disappoint . :)

    Grammie`

    (The osama commenter)what kind of a moron even takes the time out to write that shit?? The guy claims to be married, but apparently he thinks it's more important to spend time mocking people on this website than spending time with his wife.

    I wonder if Johnny will let us know what other names "Osama Bin Laden" posts under, who erroneously thinks he's SO clever.

    @Mike:Oh that guy posts under all kinds of names, but usually he uses no handle at all. He's the biggest psycho on this site. He listens to no dissenting opinions and blames everthing from pearl harbor to "Gigli" on the Islamofascists.

    Janet, you hardly need any "defense".

    That said, every time I read a comment like "FUCK YOU OLD LADY", I literally cringe, especially when it comes from my own 'side' of the political spectrum.

    Don't worry Mike, she's just a republican, it's not she has feelings.

    ug...another typo, oh well.
    I like the fact that at the top of the site it say "#1 keith olbermann blog in the world". Like how many could there be?

    Also...

    Dear Old Lady,
    stop bitching about the fact that someone has called you a name. It's not that big a deal; get over it. Also, uou are in total denial if you think you have said anything of real value or substance all night, you haven't and therefore you are no better than me.

    Sincerely,
    Joel

    I am curious too. I do have the advantage of knowing that it is not me.

    Mike, you didn't defend me against this:

    "2.FUCK YOU OLD LADY."

    Joel seems to have built up a lot of hate and venom just tonight towards me!

    Or could it be he an old regular who doesn't have the decency or cajo, sorry, fortitude to stand up behind his own words?

    Grammie`

    Joel and Mike,

    You are both haughty morons. There's my ad hominem for the day.

    Anyway, what gall does it take to suggest that an education correlates with your worldview, especially when you both use innumerable logical fallacies in your "arguments"? (Actually, Joel, you never really make a point; you prefer to be a smarmy jerk who acts like he's brilliant based on his own philosophy.) You claim these people are sheep, and then you insist that somehow you have the wisdom of the anointed and that following this other indoctrination is the way to go. I thought you would have learned critical thinking with that education. Whoops--damned with faint praise. I'll point out my fallacies for your ease (whoops again).

    It doesn't matter what names people post under. That's not an issue. Calling someone a name isn't an issue (yes, I'm guilty of this here). Sticking your nose in the air isn't an issue. Get off the high horses, gang; if you really fancy yourself so smart, then we can discuss something real.

    thanks for putting all the blame on us, Greatjob. As if your republican comrades have acted so sophisticated

    Greatjob:

    "Anyway, what gall does it take to suggest that an education correlates to your worldview."

    Duh, where did I "suggest" THAT? It's simply amazing what the opposition reads into one's post on this site that simply isn't there.

    There ARE some obviously very well educated and articulate right wing posters on this site....unfortunately, Jeff, Factor, and Rico are not among them....and THEY are the one I was addressing in those post you misinterpreted.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Get off your high horses gang"

    Who are you to question me about being on 'my high horse', when you haven't personally attempted to debate anything with me? What you are doing is lecturing me for making condescending responses to other posters who obviously don't know how to do anything but make personal attacks in place of arguments.

    And how did YOU start out THIS discussion?.....By making personal attacks on me!

    Sure Greatjob.....doing that will initiate a rational and respectful debate every time!
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "It doesn't matter what names people post under."

    Some of your more educated right wing breathren would take very heated exception to that point.
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    And finally, my name isn't 'Joel', so if you have anything else to say to me, try addressing 'me', and not 'us'.

    The whole concept of this site is ridiculous, which I guess explains why there's so many ridiculous people on it. Anyway, I got way bigger problems than some fruity wingnut disagreeing with me about a tv show, so I don't really care what you guys say anymore. Plus it's about time I went to bed (3:35 AM !!!)

    Oh, my misguided son Joel, I blame nothing on this site to the nation of Islam, only to the ugly Americans who dare stand up for their country...

    ...and my fellow worshipper Mike, the peddler of this site Johnny Dollar would never divulge my one and only identity to you, as he is our enemy! He speaks in the serpents tongue daily with his rants about how evil I am and my followers.

    Remember my two true cells, Joel and Mike, never trust an American loyalist like Johnny Dollar, as he and his men are the only ones standing in our way of destroying his evil empire!

    Yes, my little iman Joel I am married to many Jilbaab's, and each and everyone of them I tucked safely into their hollowed out dirt beds in my most sacred cave, and they all send their unending love to you...

    Akuba Ayeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Mike (directly addressed to you),

    "'Don't make me go back and find it'....Unfartunately I can't 'make' you do anything. However, if I could, I would probably elect to 'make' you get an education to replace that indoctrination you now embrace."

    What interpretation did you expect? Replace the right-wing indoctrination with what else?

    And you want to talk about misinterpretations? You one-upped that: you completely ignored the fact that every time I made a personal attack or ad hominem I clearly stated it in the post. Maybe it doesn't make it all right, but I already ceded that point. I'm not looking to move in to that glass house in which you live.

    I have no idea what you mean by "more educated." It's irrelevent; someone's remarks are separate from the handle on which he posts. Any reference to that is argumentum ad hominem. Am I being a hypocrite? Probably. But I felt it necessary to interject when you guys... Okay; I mean to say Joel. I guess the whole lackey thing was starting to bother me. Simply positing your victory doesn't make it true.

    What I'm saying here applies to everyone, not just you (like I said: Joel's sycophantic attitude began to irk). I'm not interested in double-standards. I'm biased, but I'd like to keep the discussion fair and logical.

    I invited you to bring up any point you wanted to debate free from those nasty conventions of right-wing idiocy you so despise. The offer stands. ;]

    But Greatjob, you missed the entire point I just made in the previous post.

    Yes, I was well aware that you were probably referring specifically to THAT post in your unwelcome and misguided diatribe.

    Now let me repeat it again; THAT post was addressed specifically to Jeff (or RoyalKing), who is himself nothing but an internet troll who debates nothing and relies entirely on personal attacks. In case you missed it, he had just posted an outright LIE about me saying I "changing parties" because of Rush Limbaugh's drug problem. THAT is what I was responding to. And yes, Jeff IS a right wing synchophant. But that doesn't mean I think all right wingers are.

    So what right do YOU have to jump in somewhere in the middle of something and then lecture ME about being "fair and logical"????

    I will treat ANYONE here with every bit as much respect as they afford me. Unfortunately, posting contrary ideas are far more likely to bring on personal attacks than rational debate.....even from assholes posing as our enemy @ 4:31 and before.

    I think it's time you got off YOUR high horse and understand that you jumped into the middle of something in a hypocritical attempt to hold me to a far higher ethical standard than the trolls I was responding to.

    And you're right; identifying your own ad hominum attacks doesn't excuse them in any way, nor does it make them right.

    Also, you are dead wrong about names not being important either. This is something I learned gradually myself. If you change names, it is a cop out. It means you never have to take responsibility for anything you said or stand behind your own words, which is patently unfair to those who do have to stand by statements they made previously. In other words, you are free to call me a "haughty moron" tonight and then pretend you never did it tomorrow by addressing me under a completely different name.

    So 'Greatjob', when you finally decide to come off YOUR own haughty high horse, AND stand by a consistant identity, and your own words, I will meet you half way regarding anything you wish to discuss (but not tonight, I'm a little tired - its' 4:25 AM).

    MIke,

    I did debate your points. You just did not like my response, like always. But I don't like yours. That is because you never tell us the real reason you are against the war in Iraq. You can't tell us the real reason, because it is hidden from you. Your disease is the real reason. I know what your disease is. And when I ask you "what are you for?" and you won't answer that further validates that I am right about you.

    "What other names does Sean Hannity post under."

    OH, he won't tell you THAT. You see, Sean Hannity is on HIS side!

    Posted by: Mike at November 16, 2007 2:02 AM


    > Sean Hannity also posts under names such as "Rico", "Janet Hawkins", "The Factor", "Royal King", and many others

    You have guessed correctly. Once. And wrongly the other three times.

    Posted by: johnny dollar at November 16, 2007 2:13 AM

    Rico: I didn't see your 'points' last night when you originally posted them but I did see them much later after scrolling back up.

    The problem with your "debate" technique was that a major part of your response was yet another ad hominum personal atack on me. Among other things, you called me "fucked up in the head", and "deseased". My posts to you were respectful and included no such attacks.

    Also, your repeated assertion that "I stand for nothing" is yet another ad hominum personal attack spewed forth in yet another stream of mindless venom. Also, your absurd assertion that "I stand for nothing" within the same post wrongly implies that you somehow have demonstated that YOU stand for something meaningful yourself, which is anything but true.

    Or could it be that what you REALLY stand for was articulated best at 1:48 AM?

    So what is it about you and people like you think that makes you believe that attacking the messenger qualifies as "debate"? How does profanity laced personal attacks intensify your 'points' in any way?

    In addition, the points you DID actually try to respond to included long held talking point assumptions that have been largely discredited, not justifications or true counterpoints.

    If that is how you "debate", then I rest my case because I've already won this one.


    As a follow up Rico, if you don't think I've ever articulated the 'real reason" I'm against the war in Iraq', then there is obviously a very important piece of humanity missing within yourself that most people DO have, that makes you refuse to believe 'the real reasons', even though they have stared you squarely in the face at least 50 times.

    If I had EVER advocated ethnic cleansing or genocide as acceptable solutions to our problems, as YOU have done several times on this blog (without even any shame, I might add), then I would be something less than a complete human being myself....as you seem to be. I can only pity someone like you who seems incapable of even comprehending that.

    There's always a follow up or 2. Desperation, indeed. Did you see 11:46? Covering your eyes, 'mike?'

    "Did you see 11:46."

    Of COURSE I saw it! Johnny decided to prove me wrong, even though he still left most of us guessing about exactly who the exact perpetrator actually is. I think I know though.

    Since Johnny has already decided to open this little pandora's box, maybe he should do it every time someone posts under other names, regardless of their viewpoints. It would become a better blog.

    > Since Johnny has already decided to open this little pandora's box, maybe he should do it every time someone posts under other names, regardless of their viewpoints

    Oh yeah, I have nothing to do but sit around all day and check every last comment to see if the poster has used a different name, and then post the results each time. If you want to volunteer for that task, email Mr Cox and tell him you have so much free time that you can handle the job.

    You may have a point that doing away with all these multiple personalities might make this a better blog. But that is entirely within the control of you (Mike etc) and the others who have posted under multiple pseudonymns, AKAs, and aliases. Just don't do it. Unfortunately, some of the commenters here would have no one to talk to if they didn't sign on to reply to their own posts.

    exactly who the exact perpetrator actually is. I think I know though.

    posted by mike

    Care to take a stab?

    "Care to take a stab?"

    I already have. See my 2:31 AM post and the middle line in my 12;11 POST.

    Another hint; I certainly don't think it was Janet, and don't really believe you're THAT hateful, and I doubt if it was Factor....so that only leaves one.

    Even Mike etc can stumble into the truth on occasion.

    1:30 am ~ Ted Kennedy proposes a toast
    1:35 am ~ Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home

    Please join us

    Posted by: Howard Dean at November 15, 2007 11:40 PM

    LMAO---Great thanks Mr. Dean!

    Mike,

    Your diatribes are, then, greeted with pleasant smiles and open arms?

    Anyway, quick logic lesson:
    a) a specific address of one person to shake an ideology he holds is not exclusive to that one person. You were not saying get an education to become a nicer person; you were saying get an education to change your worldview. So you only want people who bother you to change their worldviews? Other, less acerbic members of the community can be wrong and still get a pass?

    b) it wouldn't matter if I did change my name to talk to you (which I haven't; I've never posted here before)--a cop-out has no bearing whatsoever on the issue under discussion. If people are too afraid to speak their minds, that's too bad for them. That doesn't mean they lose or you win. It means they are afraid to speak with consistency. Nothing more.

    And you're the one with the double standard. While I continuously admit to my bias and oversight, you refuse to condemn Joel in any manner. Joel even rhymes with troll. I'm not sure that's relevant, but it's suggestive of something. ;]

    In all fairness, you seem like a decent guy. You certainly aren't a troll. I think our anger might be misplaced here. In any event, take care.

    Forgive me. I speak with a backwater dialect.

    Not if you pronounce "Joel" correctly ....

    Posted by: Anonymous at November 16, 2007 4:55 PM


    Is 'joel' sleeping?

    ROFLMAO

    Joel is simple to pronounce. It rhymes with asshole

    Thanks, teach!

    I am no Olbermann fan or anything but.. wasn't WW1 more about.. the Kaiser as opposed to erm.. Hitler?

    And I believe we were allied to Japan in that conflict.

    The leftists are hap hap happy today.......look at huffpo's headline this AM....

    IRAG BOMB KILLS AT LEAST 20 MORE

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/18/AR2007111800214.html?hpid=topnews


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    The macabre anti-American left so well represented by Mike and mental midget (WDYT) are counting the successes of the totalitarian radicals in Iraq who are being defeated by the pro-freedom Iraqi troops and our brave fighting men and women....

    Olbermann will continue to ignore the decreasing rates of both civilian and military deaths being committed by the radicals in Iraq....instead turning their hopes on other statistics that they slovingly spout as evidence the US needs to prematurely withdrawl from defending freedom of thought and religion in Iraq.....

    Again leftists, I asked very simply....Why are the funds there?.....CUT THEM NOW AND BRING THOSE TROOPS HOME NOW!

    And this is my post today, the 1,663rd day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

    I am cee, good night and good luck.

    "I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

    "There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

    "I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

    "Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

    "American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

    "If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

    "You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

    "There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

    "People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

    "Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
    KEITH OLBERMANN

    "Thinking such as your's is a cancer on our nation that needs to be cut out." MIKE posted 10/4/07 7:02PM

    "RAISE YOUR PAW IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION!" OW's resident secular leftist of many silly names 11/14/07 5:18PM

    Hey Anonymous....The website that has the clarion call of the dead IS A RADICAL LEFTIST SITE.....Like I said, the left wants death and destruction in Iraq while people of good will and honor are defending it......

    Sorry you misunderstood a simple post once again.....

    Sorry I did not give you the proper link to the radical anti-American and anti-God website, Anonymous.....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/

    IRAQ BOMB KILLS AT LEAST 20 MORE.....

    Oh yeah...does it feel good to see the great results of totalitarian terrorists fighting against the forces of good, Anonymous?

    Keith is simply a paranoid leftist with a television program.

    Yes, we know you hate Christians "Think". We know that you athesists never make mistakes or sin, right?

    I told you anon with spaces...sodomy no longer is the word (although I know it enflames your parasympathetic nervous system)....The new word is ENTROPY....that little concept the Christian, (AND HYPOCRITICAL CHURCH GOER according to mental midget), Sir Issac Newton explained so nicely....and the concept the small brained secularist apologists here at OW(wannawipe et al) cannot seem to grasp....

    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!
    ENTROPY!

    I can combine the two issues if you want! I know wannawipe is prepared to be entertained! I would enjoy to hear from wannawipe how sodomy fits into Darwin's theory of natural selection as well...... especially his ideas on development and sexual preferences in the human male....How could such large numbers of same gender (remember these are only biologically programmed according to the godless securlist) sexual preferences be maintained under thousands of years of natural selection IF the mode by which such preferences are programmed were not passed along by mating with the gender who is required to pass along same genetic material?

    What is the Darwinian advantage of having a same gender sexual preference?.....Again...it is the natural selection that is the only influence according to the godless secularists...no others on us....Please explain the contradiction of SODOMY and the biologist's obvious reversal of the second law of thermodynamics (ENTROPY), wannawipe....

    Your profanity and insults are becoming tiresome. Why hasn't JD banned your sorry ass yet?

    "First, show us an organism that generates more energy that it consumes."


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    Why, wannawipe? You are the one who was mistaking my argument about decreasing entropy (randomness) inherent in the secularists' anti-law of thermodunamics theories on the origins of life in the universe with the real application of Newton's laws regarding decreasing enthalpy (energy).....I do not have to show what you demand because you made the incorrect conclusion about what I was talking about as a net positive energy production when all along I was discussing the idea that the universe is trending to increased randomess....even when your primordial soup was putting atoms together to form the building blocks of cellular organelles.....The primordial soup defied the laws of thermodynamics to make that first cell!

    Please keep up with me, wannawipe!

    wannawipe....you have no idea what you are even discussing. Amino acids are less random than free atoms, and simple proteins are less random than the amino acids....I will once again challenge you to explain how atoms under the influence of the laws of thermodynamics, repeatedly and consistently combined to form LESS RANDOM structures desipte the 2nd law of INCREASING RANDOMNESS....even before there was a cell to act under Darwinian natural selection....

    Do you see one mention of enthalpy or energy in my post, wannawipe? It takes more than energy to form amino acids and complex proteins in the cell, wannawipe....IT TAKES A CODE TO REPLICATE IT OFF OF THAT CAME FROM SOMEWHERE...and the secularist's dogma is that it spontaneously formed in the primordial soup....even though the 2nd law of thermodynamics (The universe is INCREASING in ENTROPY) was in play then and now.....

    Got it, wannawipe?

    Again, wannawipe, amino acids forming from spatially random atoms that then form proteins that then replicate and repair themselves all to form cellular organelles...the very basic and primitive precursors to an organism (life)....requires these spatially random atoms and molecules to defy the 2nd law of thermodynamics time after time after time after time....even with an external energy source, the law of increasing entropy applies, wannawipe, and secularists are encouraged to ASSUME it does not apply to the behavior of atoms and simple molecules in the primordial soup.....

    by definition.....A DOGMA......

    no more testable under the scientific method as is Genesis' explaination for the origins of the first cell.....

    Try to stay up with the argument, wannawipe....I am really tired of having to explain the 2nd law of thermodynamics to you over, and over, and over again......

    There is no system that produces more energy than it consumes, wannawipe. This, however, has no implications to what I am discussing.

    The secularist's theory on how life originated has no living cell present at the beginning....just the required atoms that compose amino acids....My argument since the start of this lovely discussion was challenging you with Newton's 2nd law...

    "The total entropy of any thermodynamically isolated system tends to increase over time, approaching a maximum value."

    or in other words, the randomness in the universe is increasing. The closed workings of a cell were not present before the cell's fondations of aminio acids and vry complex proteins formed, according to the secularist's theory, and so logcaly one must assume in the primordial soup, we had decreasing entropy which is a rather large assumption and is untestable under the scientific method.

    So wannawipe....one last time.....please address the decreasing entropy in the primordial soup which was devoid of life to the rest of the universe which shows us increasing entropy.

    Well, hell...where did the nutrients and the pot come from?

    Bobo's meth lab"?

    As to Cee's question, it astounds me, Patsy, that you don't even have enough sense of your own argument to reply "Just enough"...

    patsy, why do you hate God, so much?

    "The secularist view about the origin of life and evolution are limited and reasonable.[...] The views, opinions, theories continue to be examined, [..] Unlike your fairy tale, DOGMA, that demands it be taken without questioning."

    Yeah, right, wannawipe.....

    Your words......

    "RAISE YOUR PAWS IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION!"


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    It is difficult to be consistent when you don't know what you are talking about, uh wannawipe?.....

    Evolution from inert inorganic compounds as a reasonable explaination of the abundant life we see all around us is not a reasonable and scientifically testable idea, wannawipe....you have nearly admitted this numerous times.....Again, tell me the difference between dogma and what you did with your inquisition question...."raise you hand?"

    You are a twit, wannawipe....time and again I can show all on this board how much of a fundamentalist secularist no different from the fundy rightwinger you think you are so superior to....while you are hateful on top of it with the cursing and demeaning of other's personal religious beliefs....You can have faith in the primordial soup creation dogma, wannawipe...I do not because it demands suspension of basic natural laws that according to the holders of the theory are the only influences in the universe....there is no supernatural.....we are talking SCIENCE!

    So wannawipe, as those carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, nitrogen, phosphorus and sulfer atoms spontaneously combined to transform from inorganic matter to the amino acids ready to combine again and again despite increasing entropy, the wonder of life in the universe was born?....the first cell?.....

    Scientific method please or it is dogma!

    "RAISE YOUR PAWS IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION!"

    says wannawipe....then......

    "Evolution has taken place over millions, MILLIONS of years [...] I mean Phallu-Cee! How in the FUCK will Mankind will be able to replicate such experiment?"


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    In order for you to claim you are making the grade of the scientific method ha puts yor theory above and beyond dogma, you will need sch observation, wannawipe.....

    You said BELIEVE! wannawipe....DOGMA without stingent and repeatable procedures to meet the standards of the scientific method.....Macroevolution....no direct evidence.....

    The primodial soup that saw inert biological materials combine to form a living cell.....no direct evidence....

    And we go on and on and on....and wannawipe loses again, and again, and again.....

    Oh and let's not forget the law of increasing entropy on matter.....but those atoms in the primordial soup just defied that as well....

    And the HUGE difference between the mashed potato recipe and the secularists primordial soup, wannawipe....SOMEONE WROTE OUT THE MASHED POTATO RECIPE IN A LANGUAGE THAT IS THE CODE FOR AND CAN LEAD TO THE PHYSICAL BOWL OF MASHED POTATOES while the secularists' soup is just a bunch of random (and increasingly random according to the laws of thermodynamics) atoms without sense, no logic or design.....

    Try again, wannawipe.

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    patsy, do you believe in EVOLUTION?

    patsy, do you believe in EVOLUTION?

    Posted by: royal king at November 21, 2007 1:03 PM

    Yes, he does. Patsy has evolved from writing blogboard graffiti in lower case to writing blogboard graffiti in upper case....

    Hopefully his great grandchildren will have smaller knuckles and a larger brainpan.

    seven Repugs that refused to admit they DO NOT BELIEVE in evolution.


    posted by patsy/some 75 others

    Is it ok for YOU, patsy, to refuse or are too embarrassed to admit that you DO believe in EVOLUTION? Hypocritical? Indeed.

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    Nice dodge, patsy. You can't or are too embarrassed to answer a simple question. 'yes' or 'no' would suffice.

    the joke that you got right at once, about Pavlov and MY training of you BU$HWIPES?

    Posted by: Vampiria, could you please explain to Hag-zilla at November 21, 2007 1:25 PM

    No... THANKS, Patsy!

    We're over it...

    Oh dear, I have to again educate wannawipe about the "RAISE YOUR PAW IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN EVOLUTION!" inquisition.....

    Remember dear wannawipe I assumed your challenge to be "raise your paw if you do not believe in evolution as the explaination of the origin of life." You never refuted or corrected my interpretation of the request....I answered no as I am sure Governor Romney would as I believe even the God fearing and professed Christians HRC and Obama would....

    You see the problem with your fundamentalist secularist inquisition (and the like) dear wannawipe?....your victims ready for the burning stake or the scarlet "A" are not clear on what you are asking them to raise their hand about.....

    I believe in evolution as a concept like Cecelia mentioned above about your silly posting style....

    I see my son evolving from a helpless infant to a more independent toddler under expected developmental milestones that occur as his central nervous system develops. That evolution is is very obvious.

    I believe in the evolution of an idea like when the Christian and Jehovah believer Sir Issac Newton observed physical phenomenon and developed his great ideas.

    Darwinian Evolution as the sole creator of life from inert matter over billions of years, (which is the unprovable dogma of the fundamentalist secularist), as a the reason there is such consistent and abundnant life all around us?......Nope.....

    Trillions upon trillions of individual genetic mutations as the only reason there are millions and millions of phenotypic attributes to thousands upon thousands of species of bacteria, fungi, plants and animals.....?.....Ok.....still no.

    But again, just raising my hand deprives me of supporting my answer which makes it so easy for religious bigots like you to spread your hate....and to suggest I am a backwards, anti-science flat earther who believes in fairy tales.

    Fairy tales like ENTROPY, wannawipe!

    Thanks Patsy!

    Grammie

    >>

    I hold an opinion, I consider to be true or honest, I accept the word or evidence,

    I DON'T have a firm religious faith

    on evolution

    posted by patsy

    I hold an opinion, I consider to be true or honest, I accept the word or evidence ON EVOLUTION.

    I DON'T have a firm religious faith ON EVOLUTION.

    posted by patsy

    Remember dear wannawipe I assumed your challenge to be "raise your paw if you do not believe in evolution as the explaination of the origin of life." You never refuted or corrected my interpretation of the request....I answered no as I am sure Governor Romney would as I believe even the God fearing and professed Christians HRC and Obama would....

    ......Correction, I would answer yes I do not believe in evolution as the explaination of the origin of life, as I am sure Governor Romney would answer yes as I believe even the God fearing and professed Christians HRC and Obama would also answer yes....


    "I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky". Hmm Seems to me that not only did the president lie, so did his press secretary who he had assured that statement was the truth. This is hardly a phenomeon of a GOP administration and has been going on since time began with Presidents and Press Secretaries.

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