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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    November 21, 2007
    LiveBlogging Countdown: Special Thanksgiving Eve Edition

    Bathtub Boy

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests: TBA

    AN OLBERMANN WATCH SPECIAL!

    TONIGHT!

    Post your comments on the infamous, deplorable Keith Oralmann LIVE as the program airs. What better way to kick off a great American holiday than to give a good swift kick to an ingrate American demagogue? Threads open at 8:00 pm.

    OPENING SPIEL: Typing at 7:57 but we'd be shocked if Scott McClellan didn't come up. After all, there's no such thing as flogging a story for just one day. [Ding!] What a shocker. And sure enough, Olby uses Bill O'Reilly's trip to Afghanistan against him. Another huge shocker. Says Al Franken went to Afghanistan this year? Say what? Not according to the USO.

    #5: Now McClellan says Bush didn't lie. Olby can't take that even though it was obvious to actual journalists (as opposed to baseball card collectors) that McClellan never said Bush lied in the first place.

    Keithy is now talking to the Congressionally certified liar Joey Wilson. Funny how Olby is all of a sudden taking every word Scott McClellan says as gospel. Why it wasn't that long ago that Oralmann insisted that Scott was a "shameful, treasonous" liar. The instant rehabilitation of McClellan, as seen only on OlbyPlanet. It's a cover-up! [Ding!] Willy thinks it's an impeachable offense! Bush committed treason! Why isn't John Dean on tonight? Did he have to see his parole officer?

    Uh oh. The Perfessor isn't exactly biting on Olby's latest gimmick: get Fitzgerald to re-open the Plame case! Remember, Fat Ass, it was the Lewinsky case that put you in the bathtub.

    Amazing, almost 15 minutes into the show, it's all about the Plame leak, and the name Richard Armitage, the actual leaker, has not been mentioned at all!

    #4: O'Reilly attack #372. He dared to ask the USO to send more famous people to Afghanistan. Olby rattled off a list of people who visited in 2006. Unfortunately O'Reilly was talking about 2007 (see Toby Keith's name on there, Olbermoronn?), not 2006. So Merkle's entire spiel was based on: Another Olbermann Lie. Oh wow, now KO starts piling up stats about all the OTHER countries the USO sent people to, when O'Reilly was in fact talking about one country (Afghanistan) and one year (2007). What a sleazy, slovenly hack this Olbermann guy is.

    What happened to the mother of the injured soldier who was supposed to be on? Not political enough, eh? So the votevets political hack came on instead, with the double benefit that he could attack O'Reilly at the same time! Of course the substance of what O'Reilly said was glossed over--because O'Reilly told the truth! So smear him with more Olbermann Lies. Ooh, Soltz said chickenhawk! [Ding!]

    OlbyPlug: Turkey pardoning does not go all the way back to Truman, as claimed by Bush. Another "Bush lies" mantra, this time about Turkeys? OK, Oralmann, bring it on. We're ready for you on this one.

    #3: Some of the Romney push-poll calls went to voters on the Romney payroll. That's a "new revelation"? Hotair was reporting that last week! Well, it's new to OlbyPlanet. Olbermann's Brain shows up. Let the sniggering and chortling begin. Keith defends the push-pollers because Romney's religion is something people have reason to be concerned about. Two sentences given to Hillary's declining voter margin.

    Oh, a John Gibson attack. What a coincidence, one just happened to show up on Monkeymann's favorite Blue Blog Source. What are the odds that his attack and the Blue Blog attack will be, like, the same thing?

    #2: Marie Osmond on Dancing with the Stars (the second Mormon attacked by Keith tonight--what are the odds?). William Shatner not in the new Trek movie (wasn't this news about three or four weeks ago?!?).

    Worst persons: KellyAnne Conway, "water-carrier" [Ding!], "lunatic fringe" [Ding!] "race hatred" [Ding!]. She's a "racist" [Ding!]. Keith lectured her about the exception in the law for when English is essential to a job, ignorant as always that that very exception was what her discussion was all about! Olby called Gibby "Bathtub Head"! Hahahaa! How clever. How original. Fox Noise. [Ding!] OOps, Olby selected a different story from Hillary Clinton's Media Matters to lift. Well we got the Blue Blog Source right anyhow. Straight from their website to Oralmann's teleprompter.

    #1: Turkey pardoning did not go all the way back to 1947 and Harry Truman. Bush didn't tell the truth, but KO was oh-so-generous, saying you can't really Blame Bush for repeating a myth. (Apparently he figures all his blue blog buffs have tuned out by now). In fact, when he was President, Bill Clinton claimed the tradition went back all the way to the 1920s! Of course not mentioned on OlbyPlanet, from where we now happily escape.


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (176) | | View blog reactions

    176 Comments

    Aw man did Keith cancel the spot with the parents of the soldier that they demanded the signing bonus back? I've seen that dude all over Fox News last night and today, and kept wondering why Keith could only get his parents.

    Dan Abrams already had the soldier last night, didn't he?

    The Factor had the soldier last night. Olby may yet have the mother tonight. Injured soldiers aren't a big draw to the blue blog constituency, and it's not beyond possibility that he didn't want to turn those viewers away by mentioning her in the spiel

    I don't know, I just saw Olby say last night he was going to have the parents, upon which I immediately turned to O'Reilly and whatever that chick's name is that's filling in was interviewing the actual guy. She asked him if he would enlist again, knowing he would get hurt, and he said he would, which I figured was the reason Olby would never let him on his show. He wouldn't toe the line; the parents, however, could probably be made to blame Bush somehow.

    Last night he did say the parents would be on Wed's show. Guess we can't trust KO to be a man of his word.


    By the way, even the most faithful KO follower, the guy who runs his fansite, said the USO couldn't be counted on to send entertainers to Iraq and Afghanistan. His words -

    "Tru dat, about the USO tours--very very few of them. About all you can count on is the Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders during the offseason"

    Sounds like he's agreeing with BOR instead of KO. Blasphemy. KO will take that site from him!

    Did Olby just say "bathtub"???

    Bathtubs seem to be a sore subject with KO.

    "wasn't this news about three or four weeks ago?!"

    everything about Olby is old, except the women he hits on

    Again, OlberLimp's jealousy shows. O"Rielly gets invited to Afganistan (to do something good for the troops there) and Keithy knows he'd NEVER be invited...for two reasons:

    1. Outside of the 2589 OlbyLoons, nobody knows who he is; and,
    2. Only supporters of the troops would be allowed to attend.

    My God, he's such a prick to be jealous of somebody visiting our troops who are giving him the right to spew his lies every night.

    WHY DO YOU HATE THE TROOPS KEITHY?

    2,589 Olbyloons is overstating it. 25 maybe.

    Thanks for the recap Johnny. Great picture, by the way. I'm sure there's a great caption for it but I'm too tired to think of one. Maybe it would be his reaction if someone suggested he go to a war zone.

    Add Scott McClellan to Olbermann’s list of republicans he hated and now loves because they write something negative about Bush. Another O'Reilly attack. Olbermanns favorite straw man has committed the ultimate crime and left his studio to interview actual soldiers. Why can't O'Reilly just hide in the safety of his studio and claim he knows what the soldiers are going through like Olbermann? Olbermann proves that it is easier to slime and attack the troops from the safety of a studio in New York. How many times has Olbermann volunteered to go vist the troops with the USO anywhere? I think we all know that answer to that. He sure finds the time to visit his freinds at the Daily Kos and he sure finds time to go to spring training every year.

    The only soldiers that go on Meltdown are discredited or dishonerably discharged ones. Olbyonesidedkanoby's kind o' people.

    Wow the number story is pardoning a Turkey!?

    And 11 minutes on story of Scott McClellan is Rather silly.
    yes a lying president is news, not uncommon in our history, but something about Paul and Plame Wilson that's just unsympathetic.

    Paul said that the leak of Plame weaken the security of the USA but yet never told us how?
    I'm sure Plame is getting a nice pension from the CIA.
    Watching Paul and Palme walk around like movie stars isn't convincing me that is that this CIA leak has destroyed their lives.

    Granted, it's a story but not front page news, since the Scott McClellan story broke yesterday.
    The bigger news wasn't how much Keith hates Bill, fox news, the Bush administration, and any republications.

    It is 3 men have been arrested in connection with the death of Natelee Holloway.
    Where was that on Keith's show? No Where!!

    Well since the Scott McClellan broke yesterday and Keith did 11 minutes on it tonight.
    Maybe he'll give 11 minutes to the Natelee story tomorrow, the story at lest deserves that much.

    Scott McClellan was an outright liar on anything and everything not long ago, according to the far left loons. Now, all of the sudden, everything he says is gospel to the same far left loons. The Olbyloon sometimes known as 'why' was busy the whole day cut and pasting anything and everything McClellan.

    Too damn funny! ((((*))))[++++]-----

    Seriously, I will pay big money to attend Keith's autopsy. I would like to shit in the rotting canoe they make of his fatass body

    Joe @ 10:18:

    "The bigger news wasn't how much Keith hates Bill, Fox News, the Bush administration, and any republicans."

    "It is 3 men have been arrested in the death of Natelee Holloway. Where was that on Keith's show? No where!!

    "Maybe he'll give 11 minutes to the Natelee story tomorrow. The story at lest deserves that much."

    WOW Joe! I kept going back over your post looking for signs that you were joking, but apparently you were serious!!

    NO....you CAN'T be serious!.....CAN you???

    You ACTUALLY believe that the Holloway story is an important national NEWS story??

    All I can say to that is; if YOUR priorities are at all typical, it's no wonder that our country has gotten so far off track.

    Olbermann doesn't have much to be thankful about.
    Iraq is improving so he's upset about it.

    > You ACTUALLY believe that the Holloway story is an important national NEWS story??

    Well, it's more of a national news story than Keith lying about the USO to smear O'Reilly. What are YOUR priorities?

    It's much more important today then the Scott McClellan story that broke yesterday.
    I have been proven right and you wrong by Fox, CNN and most of the news on MSNBC.
    They made the Natelee story the 1st story on their shows.

    You can't say that the Natelee isn't news without telling us what you think is the bigger news story of the night.

    And no, I wouldn't joke about a girls death.
    That goes to show where your priorities are.
    Mike, the big news isn't always politics and world events.

    All I can say to that is; if YOUR priorities are at all typical, it's no wonder that our country has gotten so far off track.

    Posted by: Mike


    It's much more important today then the Scott McClellan story that broke yesterday.
    I have been proven right and you wrong by Fox, CNN and most of the news on MSNBC.
    They made the Natelee story the 1st story on their shows.

    You can't say that the Natelee story isn't news without telling us what you think is the bigger news story of the night.

    And no, I wouldn't joke about a girls death.
    That goes to show where your priorities are.
    Mike, the big news isn't always politics and world events.

    Posted by: Mike at November 21, 2007 10:43 PM

    Mikey is here early. I guess John and Lizzy Edwards only had Mikey do a light wash and wax on the Mercedes.

    And Brittany, Paris Hilton, ect. ect. are serious stories. They must be because the jock sniffer turned news guy thinks so.
    I thought you would be posting on C&L with the other Olby Blue Dress recipients.


    Liz says you missed a spot on the passenger side quarter panel.

    Apparently we know who the USO answer's to since they ran to Think Stupid to say something about O'Reilly. Funny how neither at TS or the AP story stated the names of any "celeberties" that they claim have went their this year besides Toby Keith and O'reilly just as O'Reilly stated. So why no names and why does this orginization run to an ANTI-FOX radical left-wing Military HATING SITE? Inquring minds want to KNOW. Those that don't lick the asses of Oralmann hoping for a bath with him. Yes asses is correct for you LOONS the fat one he sticks gerbils in and the one it spews his shit out of. Thus, plural! Had to explain that to the bathtub lover's such as Mikey and O'Licky. Also what's the odds rubberducky girl is some deep shit for the shit he spewed about one of richest men in the world. Smart move keithy. Pissing off a billionaire from Oklahoma that in one phone call may just get you sent to the tub forever. MAKE THAT CALL BOONE!

    McClellan is using that quote to exonerate bush. OK fine, but that is all. It wasnt meant to exonerate the rest of the brain-trust, which, again, you didnt mention. This includes libby, cheney and rove. Dope.

    Mr. Dollar, KO not only defended the 2006 list (as you have revealed it to be) but he also went on to say that the USO has many notable guests slated for 2007. You failed to mention this. KO specifically says: "...by September of this year they have already produced 37 overseas tours entertaining 100,000 troops in 14 different countries." "THIS YEAR"...unless the english language has changed, THIS YEAR means 2007. Dope.

    Im sorry Mr. Dollar, troops are not ONLY deployed in Afghanistan. There are troops in Iraq if you dont recall. They deserve just as much love/entertainment.


    And sorry, Mr. Dollar, Clinton isnt President, and Mr. Clinton isnt the one who spoke yesteday about pardoning turkeys. Nor was Olbermann doing his show while Clinton was in office.
    Yes, lets tell Olbermann to stop criticizing Larry Craig for his sex scandal because he doesnt criticize Clinton for his sex scandal. Yeah, that sounds great. Problem is, Clinton wasnt the one who had the sex scandal a few months ago, nor was Olbermann doing his show during the Clinton administration.

    Why dont we turn over the channel to Fox Noise. They have been online for a while now. Did they criticize Clinton about his sex scandal? Probably, and more than they should have. Did they criticize Larry Craig about his GAY sex scandal? Probably not.


    I love how you critique Olbermann's show but completely ignore the wingnut shows on Fox Noise. I'd love to see how you critique Hume, O'Reilly, Gibson, Hannity, etc. I'm sure the entire hour they are on TV you are jerking off to their pile of crap.

    > KO not only defended the 2006 list

    Which was a sleazy propagandistic diversion, because O'Reilly never attacked the 2006 list, so Bathtub Boy's defense was standard Olbyloon tactic: divert.

    > KO specifically says: "...by September of this year they have already produced 37 overseas tours entertaining 100,000 troops in 14 different countries." "THIS YEAR"...unless the english language has changed, THIS YEAR means 2007. Dope.

    It's also irrelevant. If you had the reading skills to comprehend 1. what O'Reilly said, and B. what I wrote, you would understand that O'Reilly specifically spoke of the celebrities going to one country (Afghanistan), not 14 different countries. Get it? O'Reilly said NOTHING about all those other countries: only the lack of celebrities going to ONE country: Afghanistan, as the USO's own tour list (linked to by me) demonstrates. A tour list that Olbermann could not factually dispute (except by lying that Al Franken was on it, which he isn't). Got that? Dope?

    > I love how you critique Olbermann's show but completely ignore the wingnut shows on Fox Noise.

    How odd. A site called Olbermann Watch critiques Olbermann, and you find that objectionable? Why don't you go to a site about Fresh water fishing and complain that they don't write anything about projected hoe-handle distribution for Fiscal Year 2007-2008? Are you really as dumb as you write?

    > Nor was Olbermann doing his show while Clinton was in office.

    Man you are ignorant.

    Joe @ 10:59:

    "And no, I wouldn't joke about a girls's death.
    That goes to show where your priorities are"

    Who joked about a girl's death?
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------


    "It's much more important than the Scott McClennan story that broke yesterday"

    I was right! You really DO think that the Holloway story actually is an important national news story!

    Sorry Joe...I disagree....and I find it very difficult to take someone seriously who thinks like you do.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Mike, the big news isn't always politics and worls events"

    No, important local events sometimes do take precedent.....AND, in our crazy skewed world of today, where pretty white girls gone missing thousands of miles away have somehow gained the mistifying power to captivate us all...even though thousands of other missing people are virtually ignored every single day.
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "I have been proven right and you wrong by most of the news on Fox, CNN, and most of MSNBC"

    All THAT proves is how screwed up the priorities are for the cable networks AND far too many Americans. I suppose YOU thought the Paris Hilton and former Playboy models fiascos that we were forced to endure earlier this year rated as 'real' news too?

    Please!

    Instead of wasting our time fantasizing about someones fingers slowly tightening around Keith's windpipe as he turns red then blue and grasps in vain at an angry man's iron grip while he gasps and froths at the mouth..... sorry what was I talking about?
    Oh since Keith is merely the idiot wannabe gatekeeper. Lets look at the barbarians Keith wants to let in


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    www.annaqed.com/en/content/show.aspx?aid=15989

    Why Don't You Think at November 21, 2007 11:58 PM

    remember, its bong hit first, then big drink of Kool Aid

    www.thereligionofpeace.com/

    Great picture of a loving, healthy, husband wife relationship. I hope her hair doesn't stick out from under the burka or he'll divorce her and then beat her. or is it the other way around?

    > Tuesday’s Worst Person In The World segment

    Who says Olbypologists can't come up with new tricks? Catch Olbermann lying on Wednesday, just change the subject to Tuesday!

    The thing about the latest McClellan revelations is that it doesn't surprise people like me in the slightest.

    It's been as obvious as the nose on Bush's face that he and his minions have been misleading America all along....and the country is far poorer for it.

    The thing about the latest McClellan revelations is that it doesn't surprise people like me in the slightest.

    It's been as obvious as the nose on Bush's face that he and his minions have been misleading America all along....and the country is far poorer for it.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 12:05 AM

    Yeah if only we lived under the enlightened thumb of the Goracle.....

    and "People like you"? is that ignorant, self important jackasses who make snap judgements based on the latest poll news?
    Or is it ignorant nearsighted morons who have no recollection of history and olnly live for the hyperventilation of the moment?

    Good Jim McCool......You got nothing to contribute or debate, just turn to ad hominum personal attacks...and add a little profanity in the mix just for emphasis.

    That'll convince us!

    Good Jim McCool......You got nothing to contribute or debate, just turn to ad hominum personal attacks...and add a little profanity in the mix just for emphasis.

    That'll convince us!

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 12:13 AM

    I don't need to convince you of anything, If you are defending a completely obvious unscrupulous moron like Olby then you are beyond repair. well maybe when Sharia law becomes enacted and you have a sword hanging over your head, maybe you'll be convinced that Keith wasn't the right apostle to champion

    Actually, I haven't been "defending" Olbermann nearly so much as I've been criticizing the Bush administration.

    And, if you've REALLY bought into the ridiculous Islamic fearmongering as much as your silly Sharia Law reference just suggested, then you are far too gone to be saved.

    Just leave the sane world out of your delusions.

    Actually, I haven't been "defending" Olbermann nearly so much as I've been criticizing the Bush administration

    Youre probably right. I havent read your posts to see what you think, He just pisses me off. I apologize.

    AS FOR THE REST

    And, if you've REALLY bought into the ridiculous Islamic fearmongering as much as your silly Sharia Law reference just suggested, then you are far too gone to be saved.

    Just leave the sane world out of your delusions.

    Try talking to someone in Europe these days about Sharia creep. Pull your head out of the sand, its 1936 again. History repeats itself because peoples memories naturally blur after so many years and past atrocities become dusty textbook references.

    "Who joked about a girl's death?"

    Posted by: Mike

    You did.
    You thought I was joking when I said that this is news, and this girl's death and the news about it isn't what I call a joke.

    You don't have to be sorry Mike, I disagree with somebody who can't give me a bigger news story of the night.

    "Pretty white girls gone missing?"
    I think she is past the stage of missing and not very respectful of her are you?
    So because thousands of others are missing and virtually ignored then I guess we should ignore Natelee too?
    Dumb reasoning, two wrongs don't make a right.

    I'm not saying this is the news story of the year just of the night that Keith left out.

    I also won't insult all Americans and take this holier than thou attitude by saying all our priorities are screwed up. But you are the perfect one, so I guess you can say it.


    "I suppose YOU thought the Paris Hilton and former Playboy models fiascos that we were forced to endure earlier this year rated as 'real' news too?"

    For you to compare a girl's death to Paris or the Playboy models should tell you where you priorities are.

    But you are right Mike, taking shoots at Bill and Rudy, Fox News and the pardon of a Turkey were all bigger news than the Natelee story

    Please indeed!!


    "Try talking to someone in Europe these days about Sharia creep."

    Based on virtually everything I am hearing about public opinion in Europe these days...it seems to pretty much mirror my own.

    And, oh yeah....that "creep" thing really added to your point there.
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    "Pull your head out of the sand, it's 1936 again."

    You don't say! And just who do you believe is analogeous to Adolf Hitler?
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    "History repeats itself because people's memories naturally blur and past attrocities become dusty textbook references."

    I know. That's exactly why we repeated the Vietnam mistake all over again by invading and occupying Iraq.

    Based on virtually everything I am hearing about public opinion in Europe these days...it seems to pretty much mirror my own.


    Please name you sources in Europe.

    Try talking to someone in Europe these days about Sharia creep."

    Based on virtually everything I am hearing about public opinion in Europe these days...it seems to pretty much mirror my own.

    And, oh yeah....that "creep" thing really added to your point there.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "Pull your head out of the sand, it's 1936 again."

    You don't say! And just who do you believe is analogeous to Adolf Hitler?
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    "History repeats itself because people's memories naturally blur and past attrocities become dusty textbook references."

    I know. That's exactly why we repeated the Vietnam mistake all over again by invading and occupying Iraq.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 12:33 AM

    OK I TAKE BACK THAT PARTIAL APOLOGY!!

    Based on virtually everything I am hearing about public opinion in Europe these days...it seems to pretty much mirror my own.

    And, oh yeah....that "creep" thing really added to your point there.
    Trying readig/watching something other than MSNBC

    "Pull your head out of the sand, it's 1936 again."

    You don't say! And just who do you believe is analogeous to Adolf Hitler?
    How about that crazy little shit in Tehran who wants to obliterate Israel?

    "History repeats itself because people's memories naturally blur and past attrocities become dusty textbook references."

    I know. That's exactly why we repeated the Vietnam mistake all over again by invading and occupying Iraq.

    RELAX with your bullshit Murtha talking points. How can you possibly think liberating 30 million people is a bad thing?? Of course if you were the enemy of Saddam's state, you might have adifferent opinion.Oh wait no you wouldn't you be buried in a mass grave.

    Spare me you wanna be intellectualism

    "the pardon of a turkey"

    You keep bringing that up for some reason.

    1) - It was just a humerous short take.

    2) - The "Number 1" story on Countdown is never the most important, simply the last...and usually, the LEAST important.

    3) - The "pardon of a turkey" is intended as a humerous and lighthearted traditional news story that EVERY network and EVERY President has played along with EVERY year for as long as I can remember.

    I am officially bored with talking to 20 year old self proclaimed contrarian geniuses

    Jim McKoolaide says"Yeah if only we lived under the enlightened thumb of the Goracle....."

    It's not even conceivable that ANYONE would have done a worst job than Bush....or maybe you haven't noticed.
    In 2000,Gore had more experience, was supremely brighter, but wasn't the type a guy morons like you wanted to have a beer with.
    Now the world has seen the importance it is to elect a president on being a "regular" guy.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 22, 2007 12:42 AM

    You know, i actually voted for Gore in 200 because He was smarter. looking back in hindsight, determination, morals and a backbone were much more important qualities to have in a president at that time in history. Gore has none of those 3.

    Mr McCool again:

    "How about that crazy little shit in Tehran who wants to obliterate Israel."

    You mean "that crazy little shit" who doesn't even have control of his own armed forces?....The one who has very little real power within his own government?

    You mean THAT little Hitler?

    Sometimes Jim, you need to look in a different direction than the one your own government is trying to get you to look.

    You see Jim, every leader who has ever lived, including the despots you love to reference, have fully understood the power of pointing at another country and overinflating their status as 'the enemy' in order to consolidate their own internal power, and suppress any and all opposition.

    "the pardon of a turkey"

    You keep bringing that up for some reason.

    Posted by: Mike at

    Not for some reason but for the reason it was on keith's show and this is called the Obermann Watch and it was on instead of the Natelle story.
    But why should care about Natelee, there are thousands or others missing out there.

    You don't say! And just who do you believe is analogeous to Adolf Hitler?
    How about that crazy little shit in Tehran who wants to obliterate Israel?

    OR his little Mussolini like fat buddy puss face Chavez
    Ring a bell yet?

    Just because we are infinitely more powerful economically/militarily doesnt mean they can't hurt us, they've proven that.

    "But why should care about Natelee, there are thousands of others missing out there."

    But more importantly, what can we possibly do about Natelee?....And in what way will the ultimate outcome of this one case change or effect our lives?

    Mr McCool:

    "Just because we are infinitely more powerful economically/militarily doesn't mean they can't hurt us, they've proven that."

    And I got stung by a hornet last year. I didn't respond by trying to wipe out all the hornets.

    Mr McCool again:

    "How about that crazy little shit in Tehran who wants to obliterate Israel."

    You mean "that crazy little shit" who doesn't even have control of his own armed forces?....The one who has very little real power within his own government?

    You mean THAT little Hitler?

    Sometimes Jim, you need to look in a different direction than the one your own government is trying to get you to look.

    You see Jim, every leader who has ever lived, including the despots you love to reference, have fully understood the power of pointing at another country and overinflating their status as 'the enemy' in order to consolidate their own internal power, and suppress any and all opposition.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 12:50 AM

    Who allows him to operate? The mullahs, the same mullahs who bulldoze minority grave sites because they are so close minded. The same mullahs who ordered the death of Rushdie for writing a BOOK! Are you really that stupid to think these people can br reasoned with or are you that committed to your left wing talking points that you cant be honest. Dont worry, it will be Israel nuked first, just 6 million more jews. But what will that matter to a budding islamic apologist like yourself. I guarantee I have read more books, articles, etc on world history/politics than you. Keep your head in the sand and trying to convince people to follow you. Are you kidding withthe propaganda shit? Have you seen the stuff coming out of Iran, Palestine? They're grooming 6 year olds to be bombers! How can you reconcile that in your mind and equate that with typical Republican talking points? What the hell?

    "Or his little Mussolini like fat buddy puss face Chavez"
    "Ring a bell yet"

    Well, your alarmist worldview certainly rings a bell.

    Chavez certainly seems to understand the power of villianizing US by pointing a finger at US and telling his people that WE are the enemy.

    We are doing nothing but help him and his kind consolidate and and amplify his own power the more we villianize these people beyond the threat they actually represent.

    Mr McCool:

    "Just because we are infinitely more powerful economically/militarily doesn't mean they can't hurt us, they've proven that."

    And I got stung by a hornet last year. I didn't respond by trying to wipe out all the hornets.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 12:58 AM

    Mike, mike, Mike,
    Isn't your bong calling you?
    Have you spent one idle thought about what life would be like in a typical islamic society? Let me just say that they wouldn't let you and your skateboard dude friends smoke dope in front of the mall anymore.

    Mr McCool:

    "Just because we are infinitely more powerful economically/militarily doesn't mean they can't hurt us, they've proven that."

    And I got stung by a hornet last year. I didn't respond by trying to wipe out all the hornets.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 12:58 AM

    Yeah, thats what i'm calling for, the extermination of a billion people. Grow up. how about the leaders of this "peaceful " religion stand up and issue a few fatwas demanding respect for people of other faiths, cultures. How about the treat the 500 million women muslims better than dogs or property? How about they stop trying to undermine ours and every other western govt's constitutions? You people are so blindly focused on your hatred of Bush that you cant even thing straight. NEWSFLASH: HE WILL BE OUT OF OFFICE IN ONE YEAR!!! get over it if you disagree with him. Quit with the hyperbole about the man. He's not the antichrist just because you disagree with his policies

    Chavez certainly seems to understand the power of villianizing US by pointing a finger at US and telling his people that WE are the enemy.

    We are doing nothing but help him and his kind consolidate and and amplify his own power the more we villianize these people beyond the threat they actually represent.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 1:05 AM

    READ YOUR HISTORY

    Hitler was laughed at as a buffoon, not worthy of being viewed as a threat by most.
    until he started a war that killed 50 million people. Imagine a just as committed loon with a slightly different and even more fatalistic attitude, as the iranian tyrant has spoken of teh end of the world many times. imagine Hitler with nukes, again it will be Israel first and that wont immediately interfere with your bong hits and blogging.

    Mr. McCool again:

    "Have you spent one idle thought about what life would be like in a typical islamic society"

    Um, yes Jim....I've thought about that....just as I've thought about what life would be like under a Communist regime....just as I've thought about how it would be under a military dictatorship....but I haven't considered any of those nightmares nearly as much as I have considered the much more real dangers of allowing our executive branch to assume too much power and eventually turn into something that resembles a monarchy more than it does a democracy.

    Just for reference, I was in the U.S. Military during the Vietnam War. We hid under our desks at a US Air Force Elementary school during nuclear holocaust drills during the Cuban Missle Crisis. I clearly remember the bomb shelters being built. In THOSE, days, people really DID have something to fear, because total anialation was always only minutes away. We lived with THAT...and somehow, the so called SHaria Law threat just doesn't seem that threatening by comparison.

    If you really want to convince people in America that they are real danger of being forced to live under Islamic Sharia Law, then you need to give us a clearer picture of how, in your wildest fantasies, you see them actually pulling off such a feat?

    Mr. McCool again:

    "Have you spent one idle thought about what life would be like in a typical islamic society"

    Um, yes Jim....I've thought about that....just as I've thought about what life would be like under a Communist regime....just as I've thought about how it would be under a military dictatorship....but I haven't considered any of those nightmares nearly as much as I have considered the much more real dangers of allowing our executive branch to assume too much power and eventually turn into something that resembles a monarchy more than it does a democracy.

    Just for reference, I was in the U.S. Military during the Vietnam War. We hid under our desks at a US Air Force Elementary school during nuclear holocaust drills during the Cuban Missle Crisis. I clearly remember the bomb shelters being built. In THOSE, days, people really DID have something to fear, because total anialation was always only minutes away. We lived with THAT...and somehow, the so called SHaria Law threat just doesn't seem that threatening by comparison.

    If you really want to convince people in America that they are real danger of being forced to live under Islamic Sharia Law, then you need to give us a clearer picture of how, in your wildest fantasies, you see them actually pulling off such a feat?

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 1:18 AM

    Slowly and with the help of lawyers. a concession here, a lawsuit there. Mike just because you are old and bitter about Vietnam doesn't mean you need to give up.
    A monarchy? are you serious? If thats the case Then point the finger at the buffoons in congress who are only focused on their self preservation- nothing more. A competent with a legitimate vision that is consistent with the views of Americans would be more than a balance for any would be dictator/King. But too much of the democratic leadership is more worried about appeasing the one track mind moron groups of teh far left.

    And Mike....

    Its time to cut off the graying ponytail too.

    www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/367tivpc.asp

    And read this Mike

    "READ YOUR HISTORY"

    Yelling won't help Jim!

    I THINK based on the tone of this conversation that I'm probably a lot older than you are and have lived and seen much of the history you are referring too.

    I lived in Germany shortly after the war growing up as a US Air Force dependant child....we visited many of the ruins from the war.

    I would also wager that I've read far more history than you ever have.

    That said, Ahmajadinajad (sp) is NO Hitler, and the more we villify him and push him into a corner, the more we risk creating an even more severe backlash than he could possibly ever achieve on his own...and the more we make him a hero to the Islamic extremists.

    Jim, You actually want me to read the Weekly Standard?

    You want me to read something taken straight out of the mouthpiece of the biggest Neocon of them all: William Krystol??

    Krystol has been proven wrong at every single...and while I don't hate the man personally, I sure do hate the direction he has helped take my country.

    Sorry, William Krystol and his pathetic rag has nothing to teach me.

    READ YOUR HISTORY"

    Yelling won't help Jim!

    I THINK based on the tone of this conversation that I'm probably a lot older than you are and have lived and seen much of the history you are referring too.

    I lived in Germany shortly after the war growing up as a US Air Force dependant child....we visited many of the ruins from the war.

    I would also wager that I've read far more history than you ever have.

    That said, Ahmajadinajad (sp) is NO Hitler, and the more we villify him and push him into a corner, the more we risk creating an even more severe backlash than he could possibly ever achieve on his own...and the more we make him a hero to the Islamic extremists.

    Spoken like a true appeaser.

    I apologize. At first I thought you were a 20 something doper who figured he was smarter than "the man" But I guess you are just a bitter man who is having trouble dealing with life's inevitable disappointments like much of your generation. I know another war doesn't sound appealing, doesnt to me either. I wish every society was democratic and reasonable. I wish the UN was what it was intended to be and not a corrupt anti-America convention. Reality sucks Jim. There ARE evil people in this world, some things ARE black and white. Everything thing isnt a shade of grey like so many things are with your generation of reletavists. If you don't have the stomach to face reality than I applaud you for being honest, now get the hell out of the way and shut up!

    And was I right about the pony tail?

    Jim, You actually want me to read the Weekly Standard?

    You want me to read something taken straight out of the mouthpiece of the biggest Neocon of them all: William Krystol??

    Krystol has been proven wrong at every single...and while I don't hate the man personally, I sure do hate the direction he has helped take my country.

    Sorry, William Krystol and his pathetic rag has nothing to teach me.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 1:34 AM
    Thats it Mike, Dont listen to people you dont agree with..They cant POSSIBLY be right.

    With someone from the Admin. finally admitting to this - isn't this issue now getting close to Watergate or anything out of the recent past? This borders on treason in my opinion. Not quite as serious as a blowjob but getting close.

    Posted by: at November 22, 2007 1:37 AM

    I'm curious did you people get this upset about Sandy Berger stealing documents?

    Anon 1:40 AM:

    "There ARE evil people in the world. Some things ARE black and white."

    And there always have been and always will be evil people in the world. Most of the time, it did require a war to 'defeat' or foil them.

    That said, MOST things ARE shades of gray and are NOT black and white. And today's realities ARE anything but black and white.

    You say you don't, but you sound like you actually WANT more war. WHY? What in the hell do you think it will accomplish to advance your concept of 'good' in the world?

    Speaking of History.....WWI, which was billed as the "war to end all wars".... eventually begat WWII barely more than 20 years later.

    Correction from above: I mean't; "It did NOT require a war to 'defeat' or foil them".

    "Thats it Mike, don't listen to people you don't agree with...they can't POSSIBLY be right."

    And I wouldn't want the former president of Emron running my company either.

    "Take a wild guess at how much the US dollar has depreciated against the Euro in the last four years. 50 percent"

    Ironically, as an antiques dealer, I have been able to take personal advantage of the dollars continuing free fall by selling more items overseas...but I wish it were not happening.

    McCool: "And was I right about the pony tail"

    Actually no...I've never had a pony tail.

    "It's Enron, with an "N", Mike."

    Glad you cleared THAT one up!

    "But more importantly, what can we possibly do about Natelee?....And in what way will the ultimate outcome of this one case change or effect our lives?"

    Posted by: Mike

    What can we do about all the news stories we hear in the news?
    If we think outside the box I'm sure we can do something.

    How does this effect our lives? Wow, that's an easy one.
    if you have kids( and many Americans do) we might want to be more careful about where they go on spring break.
    It tell us the laws and the enforcement of it other countries, in this case Aruba, is highly ineffective.

    it tells us that many countries really don't cooperate with us when it comes to matters of the law.
    So if you are ever in another country and do a crime, don't expect the good old USA to come bail you out.

    And it continues to show us that females, not just pretty white ones are the primary targets of crime.

    "So if you'are ever in another country and do a crime, don't expect the good old USA to come bail you out."

    You needed 2 1/2 years of coverage about a missing teenager to tell you THAT?

    "You needed 2 1/2 years of coverage about a missing teenager to tell you THAT?"

    Posted by: Mike

    Not me, but many other people do.
    Picking the one negative point about the USA does show me where are you coming from though.

    And that is one of hopeful things about this case that will change,
    How we deal with other countries when it comes to matters of the law.

    Oh by the way Mike, you might want to read about the case, she is not considered missing anymore.

    The liberals have two beefs concering the Natalee Hollaway story. 1) Her family are Republicans. They don't care what happens to Republicans. 2) They honestly and fervently believe that coverage of missing women is somehow a vast right-wing conspiracy involving the media to take the attention off Bush and Iraq and whatever their scandal du jour is.

    Of course, as we've seen here many times, the Olbyloons LOVE to hijack threads on THIS website and discuss anything but Keith Olbermann. But a mainstream media outlet cover something other than what they want to talk about? It infuriates them. Once again, a giant disconnect between what they say and what they actually do in practice. Congratulations-Mike wins yet another Hypocrite of the Day award. When we send the trophy out for engraving should we list all of your aliases too Mike . . . or whatever name(s) your using today?

    Anon 1:40 AM:

    "There ARE evil people in the world. Some things ARE black and white."

    And there always have been and always will be evil people in the world. Most of the time, it did require a war to 'defeat' or foil them.

    That said, MOST things ARE shades of gray and are NOT black and white. And today's realities ARE anything but black and white.

    You say you don't, but you sound like you actually WANT more war. WHY? What in the hell do you think it will accomplish to advance your concept of 'good' in the world?

    Speaking of History.....WWI, which was billed as the "war to end all wars".... eventually begat WWII barely more than 20 years later.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 1:50 AM

    Because of short sighted isolationist morons like yourself, The US disengaged from the world and lookk what happened, a funny acting little dictator with a couple fo funny looking accomplices started the worst war the world has ever seen.

    McCool loves to play that "fear " card.

    Isn’t it ironic that Americans have the most powerful government in history and the most terrified citizenry in the world? It is not a coincidence. Big government produces small, frightened people. As earlier generations of Americans could attest, small and weak government, on the other hand, results in strong, self-reliant, and courageous people.

    That's the right wingers in a nutshell. Be afraid, be very afraid, so trust us.
    I think the USA has seen through that bullshit.

    Posted by: at November 22, 2007 1:58 AM
    You call it fear card, I call it the wake up call.
    I am all for smaller govt. We are too dependant as a society on govt to fix our problems. However, an individual cant fix a maniacal dictator with 50 million people under his thumb while he's trying to obtain nukes. We need an active US military in this world. PEace comes through strength (Reagan).

    The liberals have two beefs concering the Natalee Hollaway story. 1) Her family are Republicans. They don't care what happens to Republicans. 2) They honestly and fervently believe that coverage of missing women is somehow a vast right-wing conspiracy involving the media to take the attention off Bush and Iraq and whatever their scandal du jour is.

    Of course, as we've seen here many times, the Olbyloons LOVE to hijack threads on THIS website and discuss anything but Keith Olbermann. But a mainstream media outlet cover something other than what they want to talk about? It infuriates them. Once again, a giant disconnect between what they say and what they actually do in practice. Congratulations-Mike wins yet another Hypocrite of the Day award. When we send the trophy out for engraving should we list all of your aliases too Mike . . . or whatever name(s) your using today?

    Posted by: Brandon at November 22, 2007 9:42 AM

    AMEN
    This site was meant to be an anti-Keith forum. No more antique dealers or skaterboard dopers allowed! :-)

    And I got stung by a hornet last year. I didn't respond by trying to wipe out all the hornets.

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 12:58 AM

    Shows how stupid you really are.


    On another note. Remind me to never go to Philly. They are trying to force the Boy Scouts to allow gays! Can you freakin believe that shit? Some sick people. Very sick people in Philly.

    Of course, the olbyloon known as 'why' would have no problem with the fact that the city of Philadelphia would be trying to FORCE the Boy Scouts to allow gays with blackmail. Good ol' liberal hypocrisy. Can you imagine how loud 'why' would be screaming if the Boy Scouts were trying to force a gay out of the Boy Scouts?

    Mr. McCool again: "PEace comes through strength (Reagan)"

    Tell me Jim; are you talking about the SAME Reagan that responded to the tragic Marine Barracks bombing by pulling all troops out of Lebanon?

    Is THAT the Reagan your side keeps lionizing as a paragon of 'peace through military strength'?

    Also Jim, did your latest ad hominem personal attack on me ("isolationist moron") somehow embellish your very weak and silly arguments in any way?

    I actually liked Reagan right up until he became overly obsessed with the Contras in Nicaraqua and began illegally arming our enemy (Iran) in order to finance his fanatical obsession with defeating the Sandanista rebels.

    So THIS is the man you continue to lionize as your ultimate?

    Keep feeding me 'history lessons' Jim....it's obvious your own understanding of history is chock full of holes.

    I wish you a happy thanksgiving despite your ongoing ignorance!

    If Odormann cant beat out Laura Ingraham, how will he every beat Billo!!!

    If Odormann cant beat out Laura Ingraham, how will he every beat Billo!!!

    Poor Mike. While everyone else was preparing for Thanksgiving or traveling to be with friends and family, here is Mr. Un-American himself pontificating his hatred for this country and its President on Olbermann Watch.

    I know at 1:17 PM (the time of Mike's last post today after being up all night the evening before on here) I was preparing mashed potato and stuffing while a Packer game was on in the background. Meanwhile, Mike was on here spewing his usual diatribes about everything wrong with our great nation.

    Actions speak louder than words, and Mike spending his Turkey Day afternoon posting on here as he does 40-60 times per day every other non-holiday just shows how far those who want us to fail will go to spread their message.

    Pathetic.

    To Red State, who doesn't seem to understand the irony of spewing hatred about someone she disagrees with even as she accusses THEM of 'spewing hatred':

    First off, I'm REALLY sorry that you got stuck in the kitchen while I was with family and friends preparing for dinner, but that doesn't excuse your stupid lies about what you think I was doing.

    Your post above was SO chock full of vicious lies and ad hominem personal attacks against someone you don't even know that I hardly know where to begin, but lets start with the "40-60 times per day" you claim I post on here....I say prove it...you narcissistic LIAR!

    Yes, I made a few posts here last night after NOT being on here for several days prior to that but I was hardly on here "all night"...you "pathetic" LIAR! The FACT that my normal schedule entails part of the evening and night hours is NOT something I owe an apology to YOU for .... Got it...you LIAR?

    Of course, your final lie for this session was when you accused me of spending all my "Turkey day afternoon on here".

    Tell me Red State, what is it about someone who disagrees with your blindered view of America, and it's principles, that drives you to respond with vicious personal attacks and even outright LIES aimed at someone's character simply because they disagree with you....and are not afraid to say so?

    Finally, it's NONE of your damned business when I post....or how many times I post on this blog. If you can't make a coherent argument to support your position without resorting to pathetic ad hominem personal attacks...THEN JUST SHUT THE HELL UP!

    Any objective person reading this can see who the REAL Un-American citizen is between the two of us, and it sure as hell is not me.

    Pathetic indeed!

    JJ McCool J voted for Gore and Kerry.
    But after 7 years of the Bush administration 's stellar record, he's voting republican in the next election.
    Another glimpse into the sick mind of a new proud republican !

    TDF

    Happy Thanksgiving
    I'm very thankful that we only have a little over a year left to endure the worst administration in the history of our country.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 22, 2007 11:26 AM

    I DID NOTvote for Kerry, I did foolishly vote for Gore. I havent seen a Democratic candidate other than Lieberman who has an ounce of common sense since 9/11

    Mr. McCool again: "PEace comes through strength (Reagan)"

    Tell me Jim; are you talking about the SAME Reagan that responded to the tragic Marine Barracks bombing by pulling all troops out of Lebanon?

    Is THAT the Reagan your side keeps lionizing as a paragon of 'peace through military strength'?

    Also Jim, did your latest ad hominem personal attack on me ("isolationist moron") somehow embellish your very weak and silly arguments in any way?

    I actually liked Reagan right up until he became overly obsessed with the Contras in Nicaraqua and began illegally arming our enemy (Iran) in order to finance his fanatical obsession with defeating the Sandanista rebels.

    So THIS is the man you continue to lionize as your ultimate?

    Keep feeding me 'history lessons' Jim....it's obvious your own understanding of history is chock full of holes.

    I wish you a happy thanksgiving despite your ongoing ignorance!

    Posted by: Mike at November 22, 2007 1:17 PM

    GEE MIKE, I didnt know that was you, it said anonymous, but after hearing you speak for about 5 minutes, yeah, that shoe fits! Whens the last time you smoked the peace ganja mike? Also, I DID NOT "lionize" Reagan, God you love using what you think are intelligent sound words dont you? Ad hominem? Reagan made his mistakes as every man does, except Gore and Olby OBVIOUSLY! But the man did get that one point,peace through strength" right. The expansionst soviets understood it and the YES expansionist, wanna create a new Caliphate islamists understand it. They understand fear because they deal in it EVERY day. Its people like you with your so ready to surrender and give up attitude because of your misguided sense of right and wrong and the reflexive guilt your liberal generation feels that causes more danger. The psychos over there listen to this shit and read this shit and think, THEY ARE WEAK AND DIVIDED. Domestic political disagreements is fine. Too many people dance close to the traitor line when it comes to foreign policy just because it will get them attention, higher ratings, money from Soros, votes fromCode Pink whatever. I am all for legitimate dissent. In my opinion, 95 % of professional politicians are selfish assholes, they need to have someone looking over their shoulder. Ever hear the saying something like: I can call my brother an asshole but a stranger better not say it? We need that these days with our foreign policy. Christ, this country is the best hope against fatalism and anarchy in the world. Don't let your personal bad experiences (or bad acid trips, whatever it is) close your mind to all options.

    JJ McCool J voted for Gore and Kerry.
    But after 7 years of the Bush administration 's stellar record, he's voting republican in the next election.
    Another glimpse into the sick mind of a new proud republican !

    TDF

    Happy Thanksgiving
    I'm very thankful that we only have a little over a year left to endure the worst administration in the history of our country.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 22, 2007 11:26 AM

    Again, What the hell does Jimmy Carter have to do with this converstaion?

    Jim, your post started out saying "I didn't know that was you, it said anonymous"

    But since the post you are referring to never was "anonymous", your response started out making very little sense, and never really got much clearer from that point on.

    "ad hominem?": Lets start with that Jim. It is exactly what you are doing every time you call someone you disagree with a "moron", etc....in other words, attacking the person rather than their argument. It doesn't work and it makes you look small in the process. Sorry Jim, but I don't choose my words to impress you or anyone else...I choose them because they fit.

    And no Jim, I was never a druggie...hell,....I was never even much of a drinker....unlike our president!

    Now Jim....I lived through the cold war. Nobody understands the concept of peace through strength any better than I do. The cold war lasted over 40 years, and Reagan was but one small part of it.

    I strongly believe that attacking and occupying Iraq has made us WEAKER, and not in any way stronger. If you will look at the FACTS and ignor the rhetoric, you will see that I am right.

    Unlike the former Soviet Union, these Islamists you fear so much have NO more power than that which we ourselves have given them. They could not defeat or subjugate us in a thousand years, unless we succomb to them through irrational fear...and that is EXACTLY what the republican party (with the help of some democrats) has been doing for them for the past 5 years...in other words, playing right into their hands!

    Thats why we call it fearmongering" Jim....it is for the most part irrational and largely politically motivated.

    I strongly believe that attacking and occupying Iraq has made us WEAKER, and not in any way stronger. If you will look at the FACTS and ignor the rhetoric, you will see that I am right.

    Unlike the former Soviet Union, these Islamists you fear so much have NO more power than that which we ourselves have given them. They could not defeat or subjugate us in a thousand years, unless we succomb to them through irrational fear...and that is EXACTLY what the republican party (with the help of some democrats) has been doing for them for the past 5 years...in other words, playing right into their hands!

    Thats why we call it fearmongering" Jim....it is for the most part irrational and largely politically motivated.

    AD HOMINEM ATTACK ALERT!!!!!

    Ok I give up talking to you. You are lost a cause obviously. I should have known better than try to get a stubborn 60 year old man to change his ways. My mistake. Have a nice life. And Keith is still worse than you.

    THE most ignorant statement in the last 24 hours...of course it's Mike's:

    "Unlike the former Soviet Union, these Islamists you fear so much have NO more power than that which we ourselves have given them."


    ###
    Tell that to my neighbor who lost her husband in The Wrold Trade Center on 9/11, idiot. The radical islamists had a lot of power over her and her husband and quess what.....they did not get it from anyone.

    You really believe there is no threat in people who believe it is ok to kill civilians in surprise and large scale attacks that have the aura of terrorism around them, Mike?....Whether it is in New York City, Washington DC, Tel Aviv, Bagdad or Kabul?....No response is needed AND on top of that silly and baseless attitude....you think they only act because of what we give them?

    The same logic was applied to The USSR by the far left in the second half of the 20th Century in the form of "communism was caused by capitalism"....Please....you are stuck in the stupidity of the left, dear Mike.

    I am only surprised you beat out mental midget (why) for the most ignorant quote....he usually wins hands down....

    Of course he does Cee. The liberals truly believe that Bush was responsible for 9/11 and that all of this was some huge vast right-wing conspiracy to get us into a war in Iraq. In their mind, there are no terrorists, wait, I take that back. There are terrorists but their names are Bush/Cheney. That's their mindset.

    ad hominem?": Lets start with that Jim. It is exactly what you are doing every time you call someone you disagree with a "moron", etc....in other words, attacking the person rather than their argument. It doesn't work and it makes you look small in the process.

    posted by mike/some 50 others

    Hypocritical foot in ass comment of the year.

    Cee: "Tell that to my neighbor who lost her husband in the Wrold Trade Center on 9/11, idiot."

    Am I getting close to the truth Cee? Is that what made you stoop to calling someone an "idiot" simply because they disagree with you? That proves that when push comes to shove, you're no better than the rest.

    If you can even come close to making a coherent argument as to how a ragtag band of terrorists who caught us at a time when we were not on guard and therefore very vulnerable is in ANY way analogeous to a powerful enemy like the Soviet Union who had the power to anialate us at ANY time by simply pushing a button, then by all means....PLEASE enlighten us Cee!

    Also to turn my statement into something it WASN'T by asking a rather stupid rhetorical question of "do I really think it's OK to kill civilians in large scale attacks that have the aura of terrorism about them" is disingenuous of you to say the least.

    What the terrorists successfully did to us on 911 is take something from us psychologically that we should NEVER have allowed them to take. 911 was terrible....911 was tragic....911 was an evil event, but it did NOT have to change America in such a negative way as we LET it do to us. With THAT kind of a collective national vulnerability to our psyche, why is it that the Olkahoma City bombing had so little effect on us all? Terrorism is terrorism.

    As for your neighbor; yes she suffered a terrible tragedy, as MANY Americans suffer every single day of every single year. However, as a nation, when we fail to keep things in perspective and fail to respond in a reasonable way, both psychologically and physically, as we are gulity of having failed to do regarding 911, then we imperil ourselves in the process. The fact is that over-reaction can be as bad or worse than under-reaction. I think history will teach us that in reference to this even when everything is finally said and done.

    It embarrasses me personally as a proud American that we have allowed that ragtag band of terrorists take so much from us psychologically. We have given them SO much MORE power than they could possibly have ever taken for themselves....without our unwitting help.

    Yes Cee, it's called fearmongering, and the party you love so much is as gulity as hell of taking as much or more from us as the terrorists have....by reacting EXACTLY as they would have had us react.

    As for what I would say to your neighbor who lost her husband in 911...I would honor her, and simply say I'm sorry, and thank her for her sacrifice, just as I would to the families of thousands and thousands of service members who deserve FAR, FAR more than we are giving them. Many of THEM are living in virtual poverty and rejection by the very same government that sent them on their needless mission, and UNLIKE most 911 survivors, no one has even come close to giving THEM adequate financial compensation for THEIR sacrifices!.... After all, we need to keep taxes on the wealthy down, don't we Cee?

    So don't pretend to try to lecture me Cee...and as for your idiotic "idiot" comment, I say back at ya pal!

    "The Liberals truly believe that Bush was responsible for 9/11"

    And with irresponsible and wrong headed comments like THAT, reasonable discourse remains impossible. I don't know a single Liberal who believes what you just posted....but I know two conservatives who do!

    "and that this was some kind of vast right - wing conspiracy to get us into a war with Iraq."

    Wong again! .... Because no one with even an ounce of common sense would have ever predicted that a terrorist attack of mostly Saudi's would have 'provoked' us into attacking and occupying a country that had absolutely nothing to do with it.

    It comes more under the 'strange but true' category than anything else.

    but I know two conservatives who do!

    posted by mike/some 50 others

    And they're related to you, nuff said!

    "And they're related to you, nuff said!"

    And you still don't understand why no one really takes you seriously. EVERYTHING you EVER post is either a snipe or a personal attack.

    "A rag-tag group of terrorists."


    ###
    Incomplete story....just like your description of the former USSR. Both groups identify (ied) an ideology and goal for that ideology and see (saw) subjugating large masses of people under an undemocratic totalitarian system that does not allow basic human rights. In addition, the rag-tag group you so easily dismiss thinks it is ok to martyr themselves in murderous civilian attacks with the additional goal of insipiring terror.

    You see Mike, you lack a fundamental part of the puzzle that makes your way of doing things a failure even before you start....you underestimate the enemy of your freedom to live and to live in freedom. My neighbor's husband was robbed of his life not just because a rag-tag group was successful in getting around airport security....they also believe in a worldview that thinks it is ok to murder a man sitting at his desk in the WTC.....you miss this piece of the crime....and then that leads you to seeing all sorts of things incorrectly....including assigning blame on The US for the enemy's actions.

    I was able to travel in freedom and comfort yesterday to a Thanksgiving event because there are brave men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting for the idea that terrorism is wrong and we will protect our allies from it. Period. You whine and complain that Iraq is lost and immoral....yet the terrorists, like Al Queda in Iraq are clearly being defeated but you and your ruling class still demand premature withdrawl....Why?

    So, while you continue to theorize about what makes the totalitarians tick....the moral equation was solved on 9/11...If terrorism then there is a fight and the insurrgents and AQI chose terror and are now seeing the consequences of their actions.

    You think this country has changed?....It has not....People are acting exactly like they did on Black Friday 2000...in the malls doing their consumerism...Normality and the lack of terrorist attacks in this country is testament to the national interest being protected in Iraq and Afghanistan as people fight against totalitarianism....Please take you fear and loathing of The USA to a board of people who agree with you.

    Cee, your simplistic and rather infantile worldview lecture you just gave me did nothing to answer any of the questions I asked you in my previous post. I've heard all those talking points at least a thousand times in my life, and unlike you, I actually volunteered and wore the uniform of my country to complete my obligation to defend America and it's freedom. I take nothing for granted.

    What I continue to dismiss is your childish worldview that makes the Islamist boogeyman far bigger than it actually is.

    So unless you want to educate us as to exactly HOW the rather ragtag and disjointed Islamic Extremists can even come close to posing the very REAL threat that the Soviet Union represented, spare me any more lectures about "freedom and democracy", because it rings quite hollow, especailly coming from you.

    That said, I have to leave for the rest of the day to exercise my hard won freedom to conduct my business as an all American Capitalist, and to help the economy in the process, so don't expect an answer right away to any more of your 'right good - left bad' lectures about false patriotism.


    From NPR's puff piece on Olbermann:

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16517458


    NPR: "But what about MSNBC's other conservative talk-show host, Tucker Carlson? Is he part of that same brand?

    "He is right now," Griffin [MSNBC Senior Vice President] says."


    Bubye bye, Tucker....


    Olbermann on the future of Countdown:

    '"Hey, you know what? I don't care if you're a Democrat or a Republican," Olbermann says. "This isn't right — you're not doing what you said you were going to do. You have not restored habeas corpus fully. We're still in Gitmo. We're still in Iraq. We're not out fast enough. These are still going to be issues. They don't go away with George Bush."'


    Oh sure, DNC Puppet-Boy...that's why you've named sooooo many politicians in the majority party Worst Person In The World....

    Give this man a Profiles In Courage Award...

    That said, I have to leave for the rest of the day to exercise my hard won freedom to conduct my business as an all American Capitalist, and to help the economy in the process, so don't expect an answer right away to any more of your 'right good - left bad' lectures about false patriotism.
    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 2:37 PM


    Cee, now you have to let up on Mike. He just doesn't see Islamic fundamentalist control of oil as real and as dire as he did the threat of global communism ala China and the USSR as represented in the Domino Theory...

    THE most ignorant statement in the last 24 hours...of course it's Mike's:

    "Unlike the former Soviet Union, these Islamists you fear so much have NO more power than that which we ourselves have given them."


    ###
    Tell that to my neighbor who lost her husband in The Wrold Trade Center on 9/11, idiot. The radical islamists had a lot of power over her and her husband and quess what.....they did not get it from anyone.

    You really believe there is no threat in people who believe it is ok to kill civilians in surprise and large scale attacks that have the aura of terrorism around them, Mike?....Whether it is in New York City, Washington DC, Tel Aviv, Bagdad or Kabul?....No response is needed AND on top of that silly and baseless attitude....you think they only act because of what we give them?

    The same logic was applied to The USSR by the far left in the second half of the 20th Century in the form of "communism was caused by capitalism"....Please....you are stuck in the stupidity of the left, dear Mike.

    I am only surprised you beat out mental midget (why) for the most ignorant quote....he usually wins hands down....

    Posted by: cee at November 23, 2007 10:13 AM

    AMEN

    AD HOMINEM ATTACK ALERT!!!!!****!*****

    As for what I would say to your neighbor who lost her husband in 911...I would honor her, and simply say I'm sorry, and thank her for her sacrifice, just as I would to the families of thousands and thousands of service members who deserve FAR, FAR more than we are giving them. Many of THEM are living in virtual poverty and rejection by the very same government that sent them on their needless mission, and UNLIKE most 911 survivors, no one has even come close to giving THEM adequate financial compensation for THEIR sacrifices!.... After all, we need to keep taxes on the wealthy down, don't we Cee?

    So don't pretend to try to lecture me Cee...and as for your idiotic "idiot" comment, I say back at ya pal!

    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 12:48 PM

    Lets not kid ourselves, if it was more in vogue to be a communist, Jim would be in the party. I bet you apologized for the SOviets the same way in the 80s. They dont have the power only the power we give them FLOWER POWER!!. Cant we just rise above the fray?? You are so ridiculously self righteous and absurd. What version of this country do you actually like Jim? Give me a decade that was the hilight of American civilization in your eyes.

    The Liberals truly believe that Bush was responsible for 9/11"

    And with irresponsible and wrong headed comments like THAT, reasonable discourse remains impossible. I don't know a single Liberal who believes what you just posted....but I know two conservatives who do!

    "and that this was some kind of vast right - wing conspiracy to get us into a war with Iraq."

    Wong again! .... Because no one with even an ounce of common sense would have ever predicted that a terrorist attack of mostly Saudi's would have 'provoked' us into attacking and occupying a country that had absolutely nothing to do with it.

    It comes more under the 'strange but true' category than anything else.

    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 12:56 PM

    SO better yet, lets beat a dead horse or worse yet just give up because THAT wont have any repurcussions! Is MYOPIC an AD HOMINEM ATTACK???

    Cee, your simplistic and rather infantile worldview lecture you just gave me did nothing to answer any of the questions I asked you in my previous post. I've heard all those talking points at least a thousand times in my life, and unlike you, I actually volunteered and wore the uniform of my country to complete my obligation to defend America and it's freedom. I take nothing for granted.

    What I continue to dismiss is your childish worldview that makes the Islamist boogeyman far bigger than it actually is.

    So unless you want to educate us as to exactly HOW the rather ragtag and disjointed Islamic Extremists can even come close to posing the very REAL threat that the Soviet Union represented, spare me any more lectures about "freedom and democracy", because it rings quite hollow, especailly coming from you.

    That said, I have to leave for the rest of the day to exercise my hard won freedom to conduct my business as an all American Capitalist, and to help the economy in the process, so don't expect an answer right away to any more of your 'right good - left bad' lectures about false patriotism.

    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 2:37 PM
    Is Simplistic and Infantile an AD HOMINEM ATTACK???? How dare thee?
    Talk about false patriotism. Seriously Mike, I have no idea whether do believe if you actually served in uniform in Vietnam or not, I'm sure that reaction you got from home was negative and made you bitter. SO I'm glad to see you are keeping up the tradtion by undermining everything TODAY's soldiers are working hard fro and risking there lives for. Go do your antiquing business Mike and pretend nothing else matters except that evil monster who will be out of office in 14 months. Maybe Hillary will win. If a democrat does I hope its her, shes the only one with a set of nuts even if she is a corrupt power hungry bitter person. She gives me the best hope on that side for keeping this country safe. In any event, keep speaking out as the moral authority against war as stupid and terrible because we are too stupid and naive to understand that. I'm curious what would it take for you to justify say war with say Iran? I'm guessing you would turn that holier than though blind eye even if they nuked Israel because you are more highly evolved and less susceptible to propaganda like the rest of us foolish masses. You are a true hypocrite who doesnt care about the 30 million peopel liberated from a cruel tyrant because it doesnt fit into the little box in your head. I'd say you are the modern day equivalent of neville Chamberlain but that would mean that you matter and your opinion matters. Unfortunatley, several people who DO matter have these same foolish and short sighted views.

    ******AD HOMINEM ATTACK ALERT*******

    How long is the operation to become a liberal? Do they remove your nuts first or your brain?

    Thanks for the far left hit piece!

    George W Bush wasn't behind the WTC attack? Try telling that to Rosie O'Donnell, queen of the loons who believes he was and that it was all an inside job. Check out the 9/11 conspiracy threads at the DEMOCRATIC websites. They certainly believe it.

    Check out the liberals websites today. they are begging people not to buy presents for Christmas. Not to spend money to boost the economy. Why? They want this country's economy to fail so they can use it for a campaign issue, the same way they want our military men and women to die in Iraq. Good news to them is a nightmare, they are only interested in the bad. They actually try and compare Bush to Hitler. if Bush were Hitler would Keith Olbermann have a news program?

    Jim, glad to see you've learned a new word, but you still need a little more education about it's meaning. You really should learn to read and 'listen' a little more carefully.

    Here are some of your questions and counterpoints:

    1) - "Is Simplistic and Infantile an Ad Hominem attack????? How dare thee?".....No not really Jim. You see, I called his ARGUMENTS "Simplistic and infantile", not the person making the argument. It's sort of like the difference between calling someone stupid or simply saying they did a stupid thing. If you fail to grasp the difference between the two, then don't ever get married.

    2) - "Seriously Mike, I have no idea whether do believe you served in uniform in Vietnam or not".....Could that be because I never said that "I served in uniform in Vietnam"? This is where you should read more carefully. I have simply stated I served in uniform DURING the Vietnam war....and I haven't mentioned Vietnam at all recently. I have NEVER said that I was a Vietnam vet myself.

    3) - "I'm sure the reaction you got from home was negative and it made you bitter.".....Wrong again. I did serve in Thailand and therefore returned with many of the Vietnam vets....and no, I never experienced any negativism regarding me, my uniform, or my service. This is mostly a myth that has been amplified through the years by history revisionists. And no, I am not, nor was I ever bitter in any way.

    Now Jim, the remainder of your screed degenerated from the misrepresentations I noted above into just another attack on my patriotism and judgment along with baseless predictions about how I might react to hypotheticals that have not occured....all without ever addressing any of my actual arguments, and ALL completely WRONG. And you are wrong for one very important reason....you clearly don't have even a quarter of the total life experience I have, nor does your limited understanding of history even approach my own.

    Also , one thing you need to learn is that you are completely incapable of psychoanalyzing those who disagree with you. You obviously don't have a clue why I believe what I believe and you obviously are not listening either.

    The really funny thing about people like you is that you want to have it both ways. If a Vietnam era vet happens to agree with you, then you respect their opinion...but if they don't, you personally attack them based on incorrect stereotypes ('embittered vets, etc.')

    I know you won't understand this, but you need to recognize that your claim to patriotism has NO more validity than mine. I maintain that YOUR version of patriotism is hurting our country more than you can imagine at this point in your life....and MAYBE one day you might just see what a blindered follower you are being.

    Now once again, if you want to start addressing my ARGUMENTS, instead of attacking me and my patriotism, maybe we can talk. However, I sense that you still don't really understand the difference.

    "If Bush were Hitler would Keith Olberman have a news program"

    Then maybe you can take your rhetorical question one step further and explain why so many KO haters on this blog want to see his program taken away from him?

    Once again, Mike gets it wrong. Most people here don't want Olbermann's show to vanish, it's a great source of bemusement to most of us here. What we do want is for Olbermann's show to be labeled as the OPINION show that it is, not a NEWS show, which it clearly isn't. Yes, yes, yes, Mike will then respond with a post that says that because HE doesn't consider it a news show, than it really isn't, despite MSNBC's labeling of it as a news show, and the press treating it like a news show, and Olbermann as a news anchor. But you see, that's very typical of the Olbyloons, they want it both ways. These are the same idiots who would shut down Fox News because they object to their OPINION shows which are clearly labeled as such. They don't mind opinions when they are merely repeating liberal talking points. But let someone offer up an opposing view and they want no part of it, they want it banned, thrown off the air, outlawed. Come to think of it, I guess THEY are the party that has far more in common with Hitler's Germany than the Bush presidency. But they're so blinded by their own rhetoric they just don't get it. Oh, sure, maybe they do, maybe that's why they spend so much time here trying to change the subject away from Olby's little opinion-fest and exert so much effort trying to get people to look the other way when Olby comes out with the truth in interviews, i.e., "I'd give up Countdown in a minute if I could JUST TO DO SPORTS." Read it and weep you liberal fool. You've been had by the infamous Keith T. Olbermann.

    Chilling? Hell, it ain't even lukewarm. But it's amusing to see you replicate today's top 10 Liberal Talking points (as approved by Hillary Clinton's Media Matters) here on Owatch religiously. You seem to have studied Goering and the Nazi crew when trying to push your little propaganda bits. Olbermann of course is a useful idiot for your purposes as he is only too glad to copy and deliver those talking points on a daily basis, even when no one else is covering them. Screw credibility-as long as he can get the liberal loonies to keep watching. Even some of them seem to be giving up on his show though. They'd prefer to see a whackjob like Dennis Kucinich on Countdown, instead of the constant messages to vote for HRC that Olby has been pushing lately. But what does Olby care? He cares moe about SPORTS, not the news.

    Cecelia: "Cee, you have to let up on Mike. He just doesn't see Islamic fundamentalist control of oil as real and dire as he did the threat of global communism ala China and the USSR as represented in the dominoe theory..."

    AT LAST....AN HONEST ARGUMENT!

    IT'S ABOUT OIL AFTER ALL! The dirty little secret no one is supposed to mention in politically correct company!

    You know, Olbyloon 10:36 needs to coordinate their posts with the likes of the Olbyloon above who claimed that no liberal he knew believed that GWB was behind 9/11. Apparently Olbyloon 10:35 is posting these little Nazi quotations in affirmation of their belief that GWB was behind 9/11 to push a war. Which is it? Do you two need to take a minute to make up your mind? Or do you need to go visit your favorite liberal websites to get today's marching orders first so you can stay on message? I know you flounder terribly when Olby isn't around to give you today's talking points straight from HRC's Media Matters. Hey, maybe you should instead check out his interview at NPR. You know, the one where he says he'd rather do sports than news? I can't say I blame him though, if I were him, I'd want to get away from the Leonas who stalk him and document the really important things about him like his TIES. You're such an "intellectual" group. No wonder you think that 9/11 was an inside job. Of course it doesn't quite explain your cheering for more death and mayhem in Iraq or why you'd post off-topic rants on a website but maybe that's just some drug-induced brain damage side effect. Whatever.

    Amen....This can't be repeated often enough!

    "Tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and endangering the country. It works the same in every country"

    Herman Goering

    Once again Mike surfaces and what theory is he trying to push this time? That Bush was behind the attacks of 9/11 and it was all part of a strategy designed to take us to war, just like his fellow libs like Rosie O'Donnell have been trying to claim for ages now. But I thought that no liberals really believed that! But Mikey clearly does. Is that today's talking point from the Hillary Clinton-approved Media Matters? Or just the latest conspiracy theory du jour from Loonland?

    "Apparently Olbyloon 10:35 is posting these little Nazi quotations in affirmation of their belief that GWB was behind 9/11 to push a war."

    Got any proof of that?

    Didn't think so!

    10:54: "Once again Mike surfaces and what theory is he trying to push this time? That Bush was behind the attacks on 9/11 and it was all part of a strategy to take us to war."

    No wonder some of you people remain so deluded about reality. You see only what you want to see and you're willing to believe anything that fits your fantasies, whether or not it is true.

    I have NEVER blamed 911 on Bush. Not today, not yesterday, not last week, not EVER!

    Mike, you're a known liar with multiple monikers on this website. No one really cares what you say or what you think except the other voices in your head that post here.

    IT'S ABOUT OIL AFTER ALL! The dirty little secret no one is supposed to mention in politically correct company!

    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 10:43 PM


    Cuckoo, cuckoo!

    Chilling , isn't it, republicans ?

    Posted by: at November 23, 2007 10:36 PM


    Boring is te first word tha comes to my mind.

    "Mike, you're a known liar with multiple monikers on this website."

    And you aren't?

    Can you say hypocrite?

    More to the point, can you show us where I ever blamed Bush for 911?

    Can you make an argument in place of still more inane personal attacks?

    Didn't think so!
    People like you disgust me and thats why I don't give a damn what you think either.

    And no asshole, personal attacks by you or anyone else are not going to drive me off this website!

    And

    Olby still would give up "Countdown" In a minute to do JUST sports, no matter how many conspiracy theories these whackjobs post (then deny they've posted).

    "cuckoo, cuckoo"

    Cecelia said it first Einstein!

    "no matter how many conspiracy theories these whackjobs post (then deny they've posted)."

    Then show us the posts, you LIAR!

    Now that shouldn't be so hard for a lying wise ass like you, should it?

    Got any proof of that?

    Didn't think so!

    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 10:58 PM


    Short term memory?

    A N O N Y M O U S, have you noticed the pattern here?

    Someone on the left makes a valid point....someone on the right responds with a nasty personal attack.

    Someone on the left makes a valid point....someone on the right responds with a profanity laced personal attack.

    Someone on the left makes a valid point....someone on the right responds by claiming they said something they didn't say.

    Someone on the left makes a valid point....someone on the right responds with a mocking personal attack.

    For most of them, it's not about facts and reasoned arguments....it's about gotcha and insults.

    "cuckoo, cuckoo"

    Cecelia said it first Einstein!

    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 11:32 PM


    I wouldn't be bragging that more than one person called you 'cuckoo.' That's just me, though.

    "You might want to listen to Johnnie-Jeff on this point, Mike."

    I loved the way he turned around my post to falsely imply Cecelia called me "cuckoo", while ignoring my point about how Cecelia admitted this whole war thing is really about oil herself at 4:24 PM.

    I was simply applauding her very refreshing and candid honesty on the subject.

    Olbermann sees the light where his crazy, deluded fans are concerned and that's why he doesn't want to do Countdown anymore. Can't say I blame him if the people who post here are any indicator, and I'm sure that they are given that he's only got about 3 fans to begin with.

    Johnny - Are So What and spaced out Anonymous the same person?

    'spaced out' anonymous, good one! I think that one will stick..........'so what' is 'why/some 76 others.' Spaced out anonymous is Philby/rudy/clucker/jennifer/joel/A N O N Y M O U S.........Make no mistake, both of them are hardcore olbyloons.

    Cecelia admitted this whole war thing is really about oil herself at 4:24 PM.

    posted by 'mike/some 50 others'

    Is that what she said? I love the way you turn around her post to falsely imply she agrees w/your 'war for oil' lunacy.

    Cecelia: "Cee, you have to let up on Mike. He just doesn't see Islamic fundamentalist control of oil as real and dire as he did the threat of global communism ala China and the USSR as represented in the dominoe theory..."

    AT LAST....AN HONEST ARGUMENT!

    IT'S ABOUT OIL AFTER ALL! The dirty little secret no one is supposed to mention in politically correct company!

    Posted by: Mike at November 23, 2007 10:43 PM

    Well, here's some of your patented sterling logic in plain view.

    Are you so idiotic to suggest that ANYONE is not supposed to consider that the Middle East isn't of vital importance because they're sitting on tons of oil?

    And I love the way you say that oil concerns are "the dirty little secret no one is supposed to mention in politically correct company".... even as you try to imply something negative by my mentioning oil...

    I don't know of anyone who has tried to shy away from the fact that the entire world is concerned about oil. And that includes the French officials who didn't want to remove Saddam from power but who still managed to be knee deep in that taboo word for food, Mr. Obtuse...

    And what sort of non-politically correct suggestion do you wish to make from the use of the word "oil"? That it's ALL we care about or could possibly care about even as this country cultivates and protects its non-oil producing Middle Eastern ally-- Israel while the rest of Europe runs hot and cold and scared based upon-- what?.... Oil...

    Thanks for the clear broad picture, as usual...

    Next time when you're telling us that concern about fanatical control of the Middle East is just a figment of our imaginations as compared with the oh-so-real threat posed by communism during the Cold War, remember you're using the same rhetoric about the Middle East that was used at the time to minimize THAT particular conflict.

    The dirty little truth we tried to shy away from then, Mike, was the "s-word" ---"socialism" and all its lovely egalitarian freedoms and benefits that evil rightwing colonialists wanted hidden from the masses.

    You do much better if you had launched into an argument that Bush had caused greater problems in the region, rather than this phony baloney one about how concerns for Islamic fundamentalism is just fear tactics aimed at the ignorant and that concern about oil is equal to greed and that more concern about the stone-hard zealotry that can be rendered by religious fundamentalists is equal to bigotry. Again-- all THIS as you folks concurrently complain about the "anti-science" dangerous religious nuts among your fellow citizens and as you type on computers encased in petroleum products.

    For goodness sakes boys, read some different blogs, and get some better arguments. The ones you do read with tv personalities and comedians waxing forth on geopolitics and domestic political quarrels don't do well by you.


    To have a leader who has the fortitude to do what is right. That is my dream for my country. Who knows? It may happen again some day, maybe soon.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 24, 2007 12:18 PM

    Actually, you have a leader with the "fortitude" to do what you consider to be the right thing.

    His name is Bill Richardson. You know... that heavyset guy from New Mexico who's up against Obama and Clinton...


    Good morning, you fesity wench. I hope you had a great Thanksgiving. My son and son-in-law decided to shoot a deer opening day, and I am up turning the mess into chili this morning. My hands are burning with serrano seeds.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 24, 2007 12:25 PM

    Back at ya.

    My husband made leak souffle, pecan/pear pie, and buttermilk and tarragon biscuits.

    We gave thanks for being at the top of the food chain...

    remember you're using the same rhetoric about the Middle East that was used at the time to minimize THAT particular conflict.


    posted by Cecelia to 'mike'

    I wonder if he realizes this? Could he be that.......

    Oil is a perfectly legit reason to go to war over. They have it, we need it. Case closed.

    Now back to Olby. Did you hear that he's ready to leave Countdown to do sports full-time? He's seen his "fan" sites, realized they are a bunch of Leonas and wants no part of their craziness. Wonder how many show up outside of his Park Avenue apartment and beg the doorman to gain entry only to be rebuffed by their idol because they are a middle-aged fat woman instead of a 20-something youngun right out of college? So sad--NOT! You've been duped. Lied to. Mislead. Olby doesn't care about you. He doesn't even what you dried up old prunes as his fans. He only wants hot people watching his show and your menopausal hot flashes do NOT count!

    And you losers using the computers in your mom's basements? Yeah, we're talking to you Mikey boy (and your 99 other user names)--get a grip. Unless you're some washed up old sports jock with valuable collector cards to trade, he's not interested in you and your pathetic little causes either.
    Maybe Alec Baldwin or Sean Penn might care about what you care about but the only thing Olby cares about is his ratings.

    All the more reason to develop alternative fuels so we DON'T have to fight wars in that part of the country.
    Oh wait... the wingnuts won't mention that, because their republican president has failed miserably to show leadership in this area.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 24, 2007 2:15 PM


    Actually, he has paid attention to alternative fuels via spending on research and raising the level of renewable products required for fuel blending, however, you're right, more should be done.

    But thanks for your usual considered, thoughtful, and measured rhetoric, Bobo...

    My husband made leak souffle, pecan/pear pie, and buttermilk and tarragon biscuits.

    Posted by: Cecelia at November 24, 2007 12:46 PM

    does anyone here believe this chick is married? I didn't think so...


    Oil is a perfectly legit reason to go to war over. They have it, we need it. Case closed.

    Posted by: Why don't you buy a frigging clue? And maybe some plastic surgery. at November 24, 2007 2:41 PM


    "Legit", huh? Are you just being "catty"?....

    See what happens if your local supermarkets go without food shipments for awhile.

    Here's news you can use... the Middle East is most certainly a region of concern.

    Unlike say... the folks you stalk at Olbermann fan sites.

    I don't know why you're so down on Mike. He's only here doing what you do there.

    does anyone here believe this chick is married? I didn't think so...

    Posted by: bored by the right at November 24, 2007 4:01 PM


    Yeah, this chick is lying about being married and Olbermann's female fans are all middle-aged fat women.

    Wait for it... this idiot's next trick will be to slide "seamlessly" into a screed on KEITH'S mysogyny.... :D

    Of course Keith is guilty of mysogyny-he hates his female fans because they look like Leonas and want to talk war and politics with him. He's not interested in any of that. He's only interested in baseball.
    And his fans are too idiotic to get it, sorta like Cecelia is too idiotic to get that we see through her little disguise about having a super-wonderful supportive wealthy hubby who cooks for her. Come on, the man is what? 110? No doubt her cooking for him consists of cracking open a jar of baby food for him and then retreating into a tub of Chubby Hubby for herself. You know, come to think of it, she shares a LOT in common with the Olbyloons.

    Of course Keith is guilty of mysogyny-he hates his female fans because they look like Leonas and want to talk war and politics with him. He's not interested in any of that. He's only interested in baseball.
    And his fans are too idiotic to get it, sorta like Cecelia is too idiotic to get that we see through her little disguise about having a super-wonderful supportive wealthy hubby who cooks for her. Come on, the man is what? 110? No doubt her cooking for him consists of cracking open a jar of baby food for him and then retreating into a tub of Chubby Hubby for herself. You know, come to think of it, she shares a LOT in common with the Olbyloons.

    Posted by: at November 24, 2007 4:29 PM


    Obviously, you hold the same opinion of Keith's female fans that you say he holds-- that they are ugly and dumb.

    That you do hold this opinion might give anyone pause who happened to be unfamiliar with your "logic"... as to why you say he is anti-female for voicing the same opinions that you voice and why you'd then think he should wish to talk to ugly and dumb fans, and for heavens sake, why you so obviously DO wish to have frequent contact with his ugly and dumb fans by the amount of time you spend seeking them out on their fan boards.

    Any puzzlement in that direction is easily answered by the fact that you also have another quality in common with Olbermann.

    His IQ...


    Of course Olbermann's fans are stupid-they're liberals.

    I've seen the pictures of them - they actually posted pictures and video of themselves at their site. So he calls them Leonas and they're not outraged? They are dumb.

    leak souffle
    -----
    A runny soufflé, or a leek soufflé. Judging by the other items, I'd say the latter. Sounds very good.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 24, 2007 10:40 PM


    It had a turnip base we found disappointing.

    You'd have loved the color though.

    Johnny - can we do an OW cookbook? there seems to be a demand for it

    He's considering using zucchini instead of the turnips if he makes it again.

    I'm thinking they won't hold up in the food processor.

    Cecelia, I definitely suggest that he rethinks the zucchini.

    The moisture content of zucchini is so much higher than turnips and would probably present real difficulties for consistency. Also, zucchini has a milder taste compared to turnips and even if the water content was solved might not stand up to the leeks.

    Grammie

    Yet another copy and paste job without attribution

    Grammie,

    I'm thinking that too. Zucchini is just going to turn to paste in a food processor.

    I've suggested parsnips as an alternative. They have a strong flavor, but not the sort of dirt tang of turnips.

    I like the spinach idea too, Capon. Thanks.

    does anyone here believe this chick is married? I didn't think so...

    Posted by: bored by the right at November 24, 2007 4:01 PM


    Yeah, this chick is lying about being married and Olbermann's female fans are all middle-aged fat women.

    Wait for it... this idiot's next trick will be to slide "seamlessly" into a screed on KEITH'S mysogyny.... :D

    Posted by: Cecelia at November 24, 2007 4:21 PM

    There is no way this chick is married, for amount of time she spends here, I would think her husband would be very loney.

    Of course Keith is guilty of mysogyny-he hates his female fans because they look like Leonas and want to talk war and politics with him. He's not interested in any of that. He's only interested in baseball.
    And his fans are too idiotic to get it, sorta like Cecelia is too idiotic to get that we see through her little disguise about having a super-wonderful supportive wealthy hubby who cooks for her. Come on, the man is what? 110? No doubt her cooking for him consists of cracking open a jar of baby food for him and then retreating into a tub of Chubby Hubby for herself. You know, come to think of it, she shares a LOT in common with the Olbyloons.

    Posted by: at November 24, 2007 4:29 PM

    amen to that.

    There is no way this chick is married, for amount of time she spends here, I would think her husband would be very loney.


    Posted by: loney repub at November 26, 2007 12:30 PM


    He's "loney"...fer sure... :D

    amen to that.

    Posted by: at November 26, 2007 12:41 PM

    I said we were at the place in life where after years of working, that I now don't have to, and that my husband and I enjoying cooking.

    Somehow that's been extrapolated into fabulous wealth and my husband "cooking for me", rather than our cooking for ourselves and each other, because we like it...

    But then this makes as much sense as your arguing that Keith is a misogynist because he really wants to talk baseball and talk baseball with attractive women...

    With that logic men would be woman-haters for preferring conversation with pretty woman over plain women in bars and other arenas where they might approach him and express deep and no doubt... personal... admiration for the idiot...

    Welcome to reality, moron. Get a clue, comb your hair, and buy some mascara.

    Maybe then Olbermann will engage you in a discussion on fiscal policy or baseball stats...or even invite you out for Merlot in his hotel room...

    sheesh!

    ^my my she's testy today. Maybe her "husband" didn't make such a good souffle in the bedroom! (wink wink)

    ^my my she's testy today. Maybe her "husband" didn't make such a good souffle in the bedroom! (wink wink)

    Posted by: at November 26, 2007 3:55 PM


    We'll leave the bedroom sort of souffles to you and your man.

    After all, they are just whipped air...

    Ignore Cecelia folks. She's obviously off her meds. Again. And I see she's been up to her old tricks again of accusing random posters of being me. Her obsession with both Olbermann and of me apparently knows no bounds. FYI Cecelia dear, I was out of town with my family when the posts that you THINK are me were made. And I assure you I had left my blackberry behind, my laptop was in my hotel room and I was on a sweet ski slope having the time of my life with no thought of either Olbermann or your pathetic *real* life. Have JD check the IP addys if you like. But I don't give a damn what you do either in your real life or in your pretend one--I learned a long time ago that you were best ignored. If I make a post, I'll use my real name, not go the Anonymous route thank you very much.

    That's really interesting Brandon. When did I accuse ANYONE of being you?

    I always thought only Olbermann gave the Wilsons tons of coverage, but here is an interesting blog post about the amount of MSM coverage of Joe & Valerie Wilson received:

    Joe and Valerie Wilson Think They’re Not Getting Enough Press
    By Noel Sheppard | November 22, 2007 - 22:06 ET

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/22/joe-valerie-wilson-think-they-re-not-getting-enough-press

    Nice try Cecelia and oh so typical of you to claim you said nothing of the sort when it's obvious it was me you were refering to as you posted the bit about how anonymous would no doubt next discuss Olbermann's s mysogyny, your own little special "hot button" topic where I'm concerned. Guess you're the idiot since I was no where near a PC for a couple of days. Maybe you and your hubby (?) ought to try it sometime. It's quite liberating.

    Now that I've cleared up that little matter, I'll go back to my usual "ignore Cecelia" policy and encourage others to do the same. It's attention you clearly want and you don't care if it's positive or negative just so long as you get it. Says a lot about what no doubt is a sad and lonely existence that you lead. Whatever. Cheery-O old gal. And remember, the blog is OLBERMANNWATCH. If you want to start another website, be my guest but THIS site is about Keith Olbermann, not you or your *husband*.

    Indeed.

    If one characterizes food by gender, a soufflé would most certainly be female. In your case, with a bit of chopped pepper and a clove of garlic, I am sure.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 26, 2007 4:52 PM


    Sounds savory... :D

    I learned a long time ago that you (Cecelia) were best ignored.
    Posted by: Brandon at November 26, 2007 4:57 PM

    Sound advice, thanks.

    Whatever. Cheery-O old gal. And remember, the blog is OLBERMANNWATCH. If you want to start another website, be my guest but THIS site is about Keith Olbermann, not you or your *husband*.

    Posted by: Brandon at November 26, 2007 5:10 PM


    Brandon, are you suggesting that you addressed EVERY post that has ever been written on this board that has referred to Olbermann as being a misogynist so therefore I could ONLY mean YOU when you said that?

    Have there not been several other people --- most of whom I assumed where FEMALE, who have talked about that accusation and who seem to have a huge interest in what female Olbermann fans do in their spare time and what Olby himself bids for on ebay...

    But if this is the case...and you are indeed...the sole accuser of Olbermann as being a woman hater, then yes, Brandon... I WAS addressing YOU.

    However, since you say you don't go the anonymous route, and I have never suspected in the slightest that you had or do post under any name other than your own....then it's obvious that I was not accusing you of anything and that you owe me an apology.


    I learned a long time ago that you (Cecelia) were best ignored.
    Posted by: Brandon at November 26, 2007 4:57 PM

    Sound advice, thanks.
    Posted by: at November 26, 2007 5:18 PM

    By all means, follow it. Because if you don't the next step seems to be imagining that I'm speaking "just to you"..... :D

    I read some posts from the usual suspects about how I was obsessed with sodomy.

    SODOMY!

    Well, all I have to say in my defense is that the Islmaic terrorists fighting against freedom and democracy in Iraq seem to have been inflenced by the eeeeevil sodomists here in America who populate the left who support their continued struggle....

    "Upon inspecting the convoy, soldiers found a stubbly-faced man, Haider al-Bahadli, decked out in a white bride's dress and veil.

    "Bahadli was wanted on terror-related charges, as was his groom, Abbas al-Dobbi, the official said."

    http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/11/26/iraq.bride/index.html

    OFFICIAL: BRIDE, GROOMSTOPPED IN IRAQ ACTUALLY TERROR SUSPECTS


    ###
    Mmmm, I am sure The Koran has something bad to say about this! I know the B-I-B-L-E does!

    Damn.

    Now if only the leftists who try to string together sentences here at OW will address my other obsession......

    ENTROPY!

    Damn.

    Now if only the leftists who try to string together sentences here at OW will address my other obsession......

    ENTROPY!
    Posted by: cee at November 26, 2007 5:29 PM


    In Brandon's case, I think he got worried that I was addressing him when I made the remark about bedroom souffles... :D

    Joe and Valerie Wilson Think They're Not Getting Enough Press
    By Noel Sheppard | November 22, 2007 - 22:06 ET

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/11/22/joe-valerie-wilson-think-they-re-not-getting-enough-press

    Posted by: news you can use at November 26, 2007 5:05 PM

    Maybe this is why the Wilson's don't get the media coverage they crave (other than that lavished upon them by slavish left wing fever swamp stooges like Olbermann:

    "In other words, Wilson was claiming that the forgeries formed the basis of the intelligence about Iraq seeking uranium when that was clearly not the case. He knew because he had the real evidence. He had talked to a Niger official on his Africa mission and the official said an Iraqi trade delegation wanted to discuss uranium yellowcake sales. Now, in a confusing correction to the Schmidt story, the Post says that Wilson had identified Iran, not Iraq, as the country seeking 400 tons of uranium from Niger in 1998. But Wilson's recent report to the CIA, as the Post and the Senate Intelligence Committee confirm, involved Iraq's interest in uranium from Niger one year later, in 1999. So President Bush was right after all. It's Joe Wilson who should correct the record, not Bush."

    http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/1804_0_2_0_C/

    mental midget, although I am not surprised that you did not realize I was being sarcastic and playful regarding the insurgents' method to hide themselves, your response to my post did make one good point....

    "To think there are human beings out there that actually think like this is pretty, pretty weird."


    ###
    You once again show how leftists believe their way of thinking is the norm while reality all around them shows the abundance of free will that has always been. I have no problem with people thinking differently than I, mental midget....in fact it is enjoyable to me to have conversations with people of different valid points of view to learn from them....But the elites like you who know what is right for the rest of the 85%....the only enjoyment I get out of that is to watch you crash and burn everytime I or someone else tears apart your logic or lack of perspective.

    Oh my dear mental midget....you thought I was serious about using the insurgent bride and groom story as a sword against the putrid left of America....oh well, you actually helped me by commenting about it in ignorance.

    BTW, I do not try to force my worldview on to my fellows at PTA meetings. My children will be given a fuller education that the public school systems just can't seem to accomplish any more....and will continue to fail despite the huge tuition I am forced to pay through the highest property taxes in the country....oh yes that under Democrat rule....

    No wonder my county goes Republican 2:1.....and will again in 2008.

    So with you rather vapid analysis, anon with spaces...why does the American secular left want to abandon the fight against Islamic fundamentalism in Iraq (seen in our troops' struggles against Al Queda in Iraq and the radical islamic Sunni or Shia militias) in Iraq?

    Keith on the Simpsons, Family Man ...
    The longer this site exists, the more successful Keith Olbermann gets.
    Coincidence ?


    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at November 27, 2007 12:47 AM


    Oh, yes. Once you been drawn as a cartoon character, you've made the big time, according to our resident loon toon. TDF!!!!

    Actually, many famous and powerful people have "come to life" on the Simpsons. But, you know that, and I suspect you are just jealous.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 27, 2007 11:24 AM


    Krazy Keith is NOT one of them.......

    Actually, many famous and powerful people have "come to life" on the Simpsons. But, you know that, and I suspect you are just jealous.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 27, 2007 11:24 AM


    Krazy Keith is NOT one of them.......
    Posted by: royal king at November 27, 2007 11:56 AM


    Well... guest-starring there did wonders for Ernest Borgnine's career... :D

    Well, that is just ridiculous, Cecelia. It wouldn't have helped Lorna Luft, either.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 27, 2007 12:17 PM


    Yeah. Sorta puts your statement that "many famous and powerful people have "come to life" on the Simpsons", into some perspective, doesn't it.

    I said "many," not "all," by design.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at November 27, 2007 12:53 PM

    So what RK said to WDYT about an appearance on The Simpson's not necessarily signifying you've made it, is correct then..huh? :D

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