Do you twist yourself to defend Sandy Burglar, or do you just ignore his taking of highly classified terrorism documents that should have been turned over to the independent commission probing the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks???

Here's a clue for you "Think", no one gives a shit in this country about waterboarding terrorists except you and your commie leftists buddies.

Wonder how many contortions the Olbyhaters/neocons/ Ceececelia's/wingnuts of the world will have exhibit to twist themselves into pretzels to defend this !

Do you twist yourself to defend Sandy Burglar, or do you just ignore his taking of highly classified terrorism documents that should have been turned over to the independent commission probing the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks???

Why bother watching Herr Olbermann when you can skip the middleman and go straight to the source: Media Matters.

I see - post under the name FGB, and call for his execution. An ingenious way to influence others to consider your "progressive" view. Liberal - go ahead and say it. Left wing whacko is more like it.

Why not it worked for Clinton.

9:50 PM,

Joe McCarthy, that you?
A better question: why do you hate the troops?

And 10:45 PM, show us where Clinton launched a false war, or repeatedly circumvented the U.S. Constitution, or allowed the DOJ to be whole-heartedly politicized (to name a few)?

Hell, even Nixon's abuses of power pale significantly in comparison. Of course, much of Tricky Dick's gang are actively tied to W. today.

If we are going to talk about water boarding we can't ignore chopping innocents heads off, video taping it and showing it to the world.

Haven't heard much outrage about that. Has keith done a show on it?
Oh but America is better than that right? Why should we be, sometimes you have fight fire with fire.

Joe,

What branch of the military are you serving in?
Do you have any clue why the Geneva Conventions exists?

And when they have their backs up against the wall with embarrassing and incriminating evidence... post lame recaps to your hate sites. That's just sad, guys.

Joe: "Oh but America is batter than that right? Why should we be, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire."

I guess that means that if someone raped your daughter, you would be OK with responding by raping THEIR daughter?

NO...It is NOT OK to sink to THEIR level!

I was in the Army for 3 yrs and Army reserves for 6.

The Geneva Conventions isn't followed by are enemies and other countries.
So why should we follow it all the times.
You have to change your tatics to suite your enemies.

But Voltaire, somebody who never was in the military wouldn't understand that

WDYT calling me anti-American is grandstanding and not addressing the argument.

I was in the Army and when in the battle zone surrounded by people who will kill you, the last thing you think of is American Principles.
You have to protect your battle buddies.
But you wouldn't know that, would you?

And according to some of you, since pres Bush has been in the office our principles have gone down the drain.
But all of sudden we have them back?
You can't have it both ways.
231 years of American Principles?
And I guess we shouldn't change, what worked then works now?
Dumb argument.

Joe,

Yes, you do have to adapt your tactics to suit the behavior of your enemies. That much I agree with, but subscribing to an eye-for-an-eye approach to barbarism [not just to our forces but our benefactors] while attempting to spread democracy in the region isn't an option, at least if your aim is to win the favor of the populace against those very acts of terrorism in the process.

I respect your military tenure, although you seem to make some blind assumptions about my experience.

Joe @ 11:04 PM:

"I was in the Army for 3 yrs and the reserves for 6.

The Geneva convention isn't followed by are enemies and other countries.
So why should we follow it at all times?
You have to change your tactics to suite your enemy.

But Voltaire, somebody who was never in the military wouldn't understand that."

_ Why should we follow the Geneva convention at all times?....Because it's the RIGHT thing to do!
- Why should we not stoop to the level of our enemies?....Because it makes it more difficult to distinguish the good guys from the bad guys.
- Why should we not stoop to the level of torture?....Because America's very foundation, The Constitution, stands for not imposing cruel and unusual punishment on anyone.

PS: I served 4 years in the Air Force and 6 years in the reserves.

Gibson is right. OLBERDOUCHE should die and all you douchebags here who defend this garbage should all take a flying leap and go fuck yourselves. Do you have anything productive to do? Do you have jobs? I hope NBC gets boycotted over this bullshit. That is the absolute WORST network. Like fucking Al Jazeera

Dear UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!,

Thank you for sharing, albeit emphatically.

I stand corrected. You obviously don't need opposable thumbs to hammer out a post on this site after all.

"Gibson is right. OLBERDOUCHE should die"....Did Gibson REALLY say THAT?

"All you douchebags here who defend this garbage should all taake a flying leap and go fuck yourselves"....I took a "flying leap" yesterday but I don't really know how to 'go fuck myself'.

"DO you have anything productive to do?"....Uh, yeah, although I can understand why you might think that running down networks you dislike is more "productive" than defending networks you like.

"Do you have jobs?"....I'm not sure?....Does a business count?

"I hope NBC gets boycotted over this shit"....Boycotts almost never work.

"That is the absolute WORST network."....It's OK to have that OPINION...but many of us STRONGLY believe that Fox is the one that takes that honor.

"Like fucking Al Jazeera."....I don't know how to 'fuck Al Jazeera' any more than I know how to 'go fuck myself'?

I guess that means that if someone raped your daughter, you would be OK with responding by raping THEIR daughter?

NO...It is NOT OK to sink to THEIR level!

Posted by: Mike at

No I wouldn't rape their daughter, I would kill the person who raped my daughter.
So that would be worse then an eye for an eye.
But your example is awful anyway.

No, it's not ok to sink to their level?
Way to many people in the Army disagree with you!

Why should we follow the Geneva convention at all times?....Because it's the RIGHT thing to do!

The right thing to do is protect your battle buddy. This notion of us being benevolent is what the enemy perceives as us being weak.

Good guys and bad guys?
That doesn't make sense. In the military there is no such thing as bad guys and good guys. We are all soldiers trying to win a battle. And you do what must be done to win. That goes for both sides.
That's what I learn when I served in the Army

Attempting to spread democracy in the region, is that what you think we are doing over there? Then I guess you believe in what Bush is saying he is trying to do over there.
I don't for one minute.

I made a blind assumption of your military experience because by asking me
"What branch of the military are you serving in?
Do you have any clue why the Geneva Conventions exists?

Posted by: Voltaire "

You made a blind assumption of my military experience, but that's the argument is it?

KO's comment about Dick Patriot Cheney may have been the best snarky comment ever.

Posted by: Cheer George Bush at December 7, 2007 9:36 PM

No the best statement Olbermann made is that Bernie Ward the "Lyin of the Left" is a pedophile. No suprise there. The left is on the side of the pedophile.

Joe,

"You made a blind assumption of my military experience, but that's the argument is it?"

No, it's not (4/6 air force).

Personally, I consider "protecting my buddies" over the mission at-hand a derelict of duty, at least a lack of discipline. Fortunately for me, I was never put in a position to have to make that choice. I'm sorry if you were.

On a lighter note though, assuming you don't subscribe to the "enlightened" of GODAMN FAGS above, how do your propose responding to her posts?

WHO THE FUCK DO YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE?? DELUSIONS OF FUCKING GRANDEUR! ALL HI AND MIGHTY MORAL COCKSUCKERS. FUCK YOU! THIS GUY IS A LUNATIC! YOU CAN'T TELL ME YOU DON'T SEE THAT! YOU ARE JUST A BUNCH OF BLOW HARD DOUCHE BAGS BOUNCING YOUR DELUSIONS OFF EACH OTHER. IF YOU THINK THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO SHIT THEN MOVE!!! I HEAR CANADA SOUNDS NICE."

How can anyone possibly argue with that?

This guy would obviously know a fellow 'LUNATIC" when he sees one!

Crap... sorry for the mistypings.

"On a lighter note though, assuming you don't subscribe to the "enlightened" of GODAMN FAGS above, how do your propose responding to her posts?"

should read:

"On a lighter note though, assuming you don't subscribe to the "enlightened" rhetoric of GODDAMN FAGS above, how do your propose responding to her posts?

Oh oh, someone gave Bill-O access to post to this site.
Poor schmuck can't figure out how to disengage the ALL CAPS key.

"I HOPE YOU ALL CATCH THE HIV"

Now, that's just not nice.

and once again, wheres that homo scarborough?

They used to scream "AMERICA, LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT" in the 60's and 70's. That sounded just as shrill and stupid then as this does now.

Posted by: Mike at December 7, 2007 11:56 PM

Makes perfect sense, to me. An American.

attention: IT'S THE CIA---They're supposed to keep secrets. IT'S THE CIA, not a video-production company. The dems were so upset about exposing Valerie Plame's identity, but not these agent's?

All right, my hand has been forced and I've deleted a bunch of messages that were little more than potty-mouth rabble-rousing crap. (And sorry, but a few responses that quoted them went too. Not your fault, you just got caught up in the backwash.) Further examples along this line will be met with more severe repercussions.

The dems were so upset about exposing Valerie Plame's identity, but not these agent's?

Posted by: Ken at December 8, 2007 12:23 AM

Good point, Ken. Even the orange faced prick couldn't dig up ONE CIA agent to agree w/him(besides joe). He found a few traitorous d's, though.

Factor @ 11:44 PM: "The left is on the side of the pedophile."

I guess that's why that 'leftie' network MSNBC is airing their ground breaking "To catch a predator" series, huh?

Thanks, johnny. mike kept egging him on, didn't help. Either patsy or philby hijacked phoney soldiers name earlier and made some posts (directed towards me) equivalent to the ones above. I'd appreciate it if you deleted those, too. Much appreciated.

Gibson ripped Teheran Keith!
I can't belive Olbermann admitted he supports Ahmadinejad suring his special-ed comments!

Mike and Olbyloons defend Keith on this one!

I would have thought Keith pleasuring himself to all the prison shows on his sorry ass " network " would make him a little more mellow come air time. I guess not. One time, I made the mistake of making eye contact with him and the next thing you know, he asking me if I'd ever been in a Turkish prison or if I liked movies with Gladiators. Really inapropriate stuff, ya know.

George Bush is a complete sicko!

Personally, I consider "protecting my buddies" over the mission at-hand a derelict of duty, at least a lack of discipline. Fortunately for me, I was never put in a position to have to make that choice. I'm sorry if you were.

Posted by: Voltaire at

I went on some ugly missions a long time ago and lost a few men, but we stuck together and we were always instructed "if the mission get messy/bloody pull out"
We never went on any do or dies missions, that stuff was for the movies.

You or the Air Force want to call it derelict of duty or lack of discipline that's fine.
Wrong but fine.

We called it suicide, and we pulled out and live to fight another day.
"protecting my buddies" Buddies is the terminology the Army wanted us to call each other.
It doesn't mean your best friend.

But this is way off topic, this is the Obermann Watch.
And my original point before the pointless accusations, CAPS, exaggerations and exclamations
points, nobody address.
Is I'm not defending water boarding I'm saying Keith should condemn chopping off heads, video taping it and airing it, just as vigorously has he does water boarding.

And it's funny nobody even commented on the beheadings those savages do.

"The dems were so upset about exposing Valerie Plame's identity, but not these agent's?"

-Ken

Plame's operation (determining the viable existence of WMDs) and that of the waterboarders were polarly different, although it appears to me both have been processed for political reasons at the very least, if not to cover for war crimes by this administration.

Pretty significant difference in my book, wholly unAmerican and willfully criminal, regardless of whose party's pulling the trigger.

Gibson couldn't rip his fat sycophantic ass out of a paper bag.
Please find a more-qualified hero.

Has Shyster corrected himself for claiming Dumond was convicted of murdering Clinton's cousin on Morning Joe - as quoted in HRC's Media Masters?

http://mediamatters.org/items/200712070002

Naturally this wasn't corrected by HRC's MM in order to feed the lunacy. (Check out some of the comments.)

Maybe gibson would do better spouting out about the (phony) war on christmas.

Playing again with your tarot cards, Bovine?

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Thanks, johnny. mike kept egging him on, didn't help. Either patsy or philby hijacked phoney soldiers name earlier and made some posts (directed towards me) equivalent to the ones above. I'd appreciate it if you deleted those, too. Much appreciated.
Posted by: royal king at December 8, 2007 12:44 AM
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Prove you DUMBSHIT! I mean Bovine!,
PROVE YOUR MORONIC PARANOID CLAIM!
GROW A FUCKING OVARY!
and admit your salacious affair with Laura Phony Bu$hwipe.

Trent,

Heck with the "(phony) war on Christmas", Patsy constantly wages a war on sanity...

AAP, though you've now descended into trolldom, initially you were mischievous and original.

That spark of playful good humor must still be in you somewhere.

How about calling a moratorium on nutso upper-case screeches, baby boy?

At least until after Christmas?

i just find it funny that he has on all the time that man in drag rachel (richard) maddow.

i just find it funny that he has on all the time that man in drag rachel (richard) maddow.

i just find it funny that he has on all the time that man in drag rachel (richard) maddow.

i just find it funny that he has on all the time that man in drag rachel (richard) maddow.

Posted by: jersey at December 8, 2007 9:52 AM

Rachael Maddow is damn smart.

What I find "funny" is that he refuses to air any challenge to his own views.

"Now that we're known as the "Waterboarding Nation" this bombshell should be the impetus for the Justice Dept to launch an investigation."

Posted by WDYT

Oh yeah! The third rate......no, make that the fourth rate FAILED SPORTSCASTER comes out with a bombshell report?

Look clueless, the only bomb going off here is the bomb in you're pants after having you're platefull of Pathmark Frozen Burrittos that you half cook in you're microwave.

One day the FAILED SPORTSCASTER will end up on a low power a.m. radio station with a three hour show. Wearing 'Depends Diapers' and ranting his lunatic fringe thoughts over the air waves to people in the mental ward like WDYT.

Oh wait! Even that won't be an original move by Stupid.

It seems another FAILED SPORTSCASTER went that route.

Bill Mazer M-F 3 to 6 P.M. WVOX 1460 A.M.

Really! Look at both BIOs.

Not much difference.

Tune in Keith, hear you're future.

Better, go to New Rochelle.

See the broken down, diaper, pooper wearing, crazed old man that is you're future, very soon!

But at least you'll still have fans like WDYT & ACCS.

WOW! What a treat!

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I would love to see Gibson and Stupid debate. But you know that will never happen.

I would love to see O'Reilly and Stupid debate. But you know that will never happen.

I would like to see a Flea and Stupid debate........................
But you know that will never happen.

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Onto Keith's real boss Hillary.

Hillary said something this week that I am in full agreement.

Yes, thats right.

This past week Hillary made the claim that back in the 90's "We created millions of new jobs."

And you know folks, that could very well be true! Of course they were mostly in the legal profession, as more and more lawyers were needed to defend her and Bill.

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Rachael Maddow is damn smart.

Really? If so how come she is only on 39 radio stations?

Air America Radio, the liberal answer created to counter conservative talk radio, is too angry and resentful and quite honestly, not much fun to listen to.

If I wanted to hear somebody bitch, whine & moan all day I would just get married.

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You know that 'Krazy Koment' this past week went on for 8:26?

You really have to have a screw loose somewhere to watch the whole thing.

And 'Chicken Little'?

Stupid is one to talk.

What War zone has Stupid ever reported from?

S**t, I bet Stupid runs to across the street if he sees black folks walking up Fifth Ave.

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And last, Thank you John Gibson. You hit it out of the park!

SAN FRANCISCO (Map, News) - San Francisco radio talk show host Bernie Ward has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of using the Internet to send and receive child pornography, his lawyer said today.

Oh Happy Day!

Nah... I am not trying to win converts.. I would like to see neocons all die.
Posted by: Fuck George Bush at December 7, 2007 10:07 PM

Fortunately, many of us "neocons" (read evil Joooooooooos!), actually protect ourselves/family/property with what the Founding Fathers so graciously bestowed upon our nation, namely, the second amendment.

Things like you are a dime a dozen. While you wish us to be dead, and praise anyone who tries to attack us and our way of life, I am quite certain you have neither the intelligence, nor the testicular fortitude to do anything about it.

Don't go away mad, just go away, and I truly feel sorry for things like you, who will shuffle off this moral coil, lonely, bitter, and bereft of anything but hatred.

The torture/CIA report is not getting much traction. There is no national outrage over it. Reagan was called the Teflon president because nothing ever stuck to him. Bush must have super-teflon because no matter what scandal emerges, nothing ever causes the American people to uprise and protest against him. Sure his popularity has sunk to an all-time presidential low but there is no call (except upon the radical leftists) to impeach him like there was Nixon. The nation, in essence, just does not care. Neither do your Democratic "leaders" who don't have the balls to call for impeachment or say something, anything about this that actually means something and sticks to him. Your outrage and anger might be better targeted at those who let him continuously get away with this kind of thing and at the American people who are sleeping through it. Maybe if someone who got higher ratings than Keith was pissed about it, i.e., Lou Dobbs or Bill-O, then it might stick but it isn't so put on your big boy pants, stop pissing yourself about it, and move on to whatever the hell the next scandal du jour will be.

"I would love to see Gibson and stupid debate."

Why......?

You obviously would have a foregone conclusion about who 'won' before the first word was spoken.

To all you liberals who are against what we do to get information from prisoners, may I suggest a comparison to Quitmo an the Jap Internment camps. Geneva Convention, tell that to those men who were in the Bataan Death March. Or those who have been beheaded, burned in Iraq. This is a new enemy we are facing. As for the CIA destroying the tapes, good for them, with the leak filled government we have, its the best protection for the CIA folks. The Liberals were so against naming Plame, but are livid over this, seems hypocritical to me. Since the President is not envolved, I am surprised the Demos are goin to waste more time an money on this. I would like them to investigate the new NIE report.

Did anyone notice Jonathan Turley was The O'Reilly Factor last night...he (Turley) actually paid O'Reilly a compliment. I wonder if this will be that last time we see this Olbermann staple on Countdown again.

Will dumbass Keith Olbermann ever learn that immediately after he names Gibson as a WPITW, Gibson savages him on his radio show? Keith Olbermann, tonights biggest dumbass IN THE WORLD!

Racchel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar? Me too!

"To all you liberals who are against what we do to get information from prisoners, may i suggest a comparison to Quitmo an the Japanese internment camps."

Once again, that is NOT a valid argument. You can never correct a wrong with another wrong.

This is about US, NOT them!
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"Geneva Convention, tell that to all those men who were in the Bataan Death March."

Tell that to John McCain, who underwent just as bad treatment himself as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese.

And John McCain is one of the most rock steady advocates for abiding by the Geneva Convention that there is.
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"This is a new enemy we are facing."

Bit we are still fighting for the same old American values. Abandoning them is NOT the way to defend them.
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"I would like them to investigate the new NIE report"

And I would like them to investigate why it was ignored?

Sure, conservatives have gotten caught in a mensroom. Even a brothel or two. Filthy hypocritical liberals however take the cake as pedophiles. God help you, Demoncrats.
San Francisco radio talk show host and Liberal activist Bernie Ward has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges of using the Internet to send and receive child pornography, his lawyer said today.

"Will dumbass Kieth Olbermann ever learn that immediately after he names Gibson as a WPITW, Gibson savages him on his radio show?"

The real mystery is why you think he cares...or why he should care?

"Filthy hypocritical liberals take the cake as pedophiles."

What is really pathetic is that you would actually believe that the typical pedophile is political in any way.

NBC rejects another ad that is too "political" in their oh so ethical eyes. Of course, political means " conservative ". Oh, and how is that whole civil war in Iraq thing going for you, NBC? Good God, you guys suck!

Mike, Olby cares. He is a thin skinned wimp who didn't like being called "bathtub boy". Deny that. Olby cares a lot. HA!

Let me guess, that right wing numbnuts, John Stossel ?

Posted by: at December 3, 2007 9:54 PM

Shocker, another olbyloon making a comment he can't back. Shocked, stunned and amazed.

Keef covers a full 180 degrees of every issue! What a paranoid putz.

What is really pathetic is that you would actually believe that the typical pedophile is political in any way.

Posted by: Mike at December 8, 2007 3:11 PM

Liberal laws and law makers put them back on the street. Ever think of that?

NBC is reversing course and will run the ad after "public outrage" pressure. I had just found NBC's phone number on Melanie Morgan's site and was going to call John Kelly at Nbc, when I noticed DRUDGE reported the reversal.

Once again, that is NOT a valid argument. You can never correct a wrong with another wrong.

This is about US, NOT them!

Posted by: Mike

Wrong with another wrong?
No, it's fire with fire.
You're right it's about us changing tactics and catching up to speed with our enemies.

"Tell that to John McCain, who underwent just as bad treatment himself as a prisoner of the North Vietnamese."

We all can't agree with everything John McCain says.
I'm sure you don't agree with his praise of the recent surge that's working in Iraq.

"But we are still fighting for the same old American values. Abandoning them is NOT the way to defend them."

"old American values"? That probably needs definition
But times have changed and so has our enemies. It used to be a time where our enemies attacked our solders over seas, now they come here and kill 2000 innocent lives.
We have to change our ways, if not China will leave us in dust economically and those who want to do harm to us will surprise attack us every time.

We can learn from our past but we don't have to live in it.

Joe: "We have to change our ways."

But we DON'T have to change our principles!

It's hard to believe that so many AMERICANS are advocating abandoning cherished principles that have made us who we are....simply because we have a 'new' enemy who is mostly still living in the 19th century.

I call THAT defeatist!

....simply because we have a 'new' enemy who is mostly still living in the 19th century.

I call THAT defeatist!

Posted by: Mike at December 8, 2007 4:04 PM

Did they have wmd's, suitcase bombs and nukes in te 19th century?

"if not China will leave us in the dust economically."

Don't look now Joe, but that's already happening and it may be irreversable.

One step in the right direction might be to stop fighting unnecessary wars on credit borrowed largely from, you guessed it Joe...... China!

Another step in that direction might be to slow down our insationable apetite for cheaply made consumer goods that are made in China and become virtually worthless the day after we buy them.

A third step might be to voluntarily cut WAY back on our oil consumption....which is something we SHOULD have done 35 years ago when the handwriting was on the wall. We've been living in denial about the availability of oil ever since.

Every single day, hundreds of new cars are put into service in China by folks who never had one before. They all need oil, and who do you think they are going to be competing with to get it?

Do any of these Freepers understand that, even casting aside the moral, ethical and practical reasons for treating one's enemy humanely, we do so because if we do not we dehumaize ourselves? This really isn't all that complicated a concept.
Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 7, 2007 11:30 PM

You can't even treat people at THIS SITE decently.

"Joe, when my wife's oil difuser caught on fire on the end table, I didn't start the sofa on fire. I used water."

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S

Wow, that's one bad example.

But we DON'T have to change our principles!

It's hard to believe that so many AMERICANS are advocating abandoning cherished principles that have made us who we are....simply because we have a 'new' enemy who is mostly still living in the 19th century.

I call THAT defeatist!

Posted by: Mike

DON'T fool YOURSELF Mike!, YOU think WATER boarding IS something new!? Because Keith has been reporting on it every night?

One thing I learned in the Military, we have been fighting fire with fire since the 50's.
How we fight wars and battle overseas is something Americans don't really want to hear about.

But those who want to do harm to us love to hear us talk about the Geneva Convention, old American principles etc...

Our enemies know we don't follow that stuff when we are on the battle field, but they hope one day we will.

they will call THAT our weakness!!

Don't look now Joe, but that's already happening and it may be irreversible

Posted by: Mike

Don't look now Mike but you are agreeing with what I'm saying.

Good old fashion USA needs to change our ways to adapt to a changing world.

Do any of these Freepers understand that,

poste by mrs. philby

Such a compassionate 'lay minister,' isn't she?

Joe: "Don't look now Mike but you are agreeing with what I am saying."

Except for the torture and unnecessary wars part.

But you hit on something important there Joe - Most of us have far more in common than we give ourselves credit sometimes.

3:35,

"Liberal laws and law makers put them (pedophiles) back on the street. Ever think of that?"

Want to quote some examples or are you just rifling off more b*llshit from the bathroom stall while hoping a senator will accept your offer?

"I would like them to investigate the new NIE report"

And I would like them to investigate why it was ignored?

Posted by: Mike at December 8, 2007 3:04 PM

By "ignored" you mean Bush's remarks, as from this bit of Olbermann's special comment:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22134108/

Yet on Oct. 17, the president said of Iran and its President Ahmadinejad:

“I’ve told people that if you’re interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from have the knowledge to make a nuclear weapon.”

Oh how awful!

You've got an NIE saying that the analysts are "MODERATELY sure" that Iran stopped it's weapons grade program, and based upon that Bush was supposed to do an immediate 180, based upon what Mike McConnell said before the NIE even came out.

Bush is supposed to immediately jettison any efforts to get Russia and China on board with sanctions against Iran, completely change his rhetoric based upon THAT, when there had been an NIE in July that had said something completely different.

Oh, but its easily understood why Olbermann went into idiotic spasms of hyperbolic outrage over Bush's statement ("nightmare scenario of political science fiction") and even mentioning in the process that "it was widely believed" that Reagan was merely a puppet front man (for the trilateral commission, I suppose...).

Olbermann is playing to his cretin fans.

Want to quote some examples or are you just rifling off more b*llshit from the bathroom stall while hoping a senator will accept your offer?

Posted by: The Last Straight Republican at December 8, 2007 6:55 PM

Just a little sample for your reading pleasure:

1. MON JULY 23 MD Judge Katherine Savage (D) Lets Pedophile Go Free

2. "Unfortunately, with Judge Matthew Dowd (D), this wasn’t the first time that he gave a convicted pedophile a slap on the wrist and probation. In two other cases, one of which a 27-year old had relations with a 15-year old and a second case where a 34-year old was convicted for solicitation of sex with a 13/14-year old girl via the internet. In both cases, Judge Dowd (D) found reason to believe that probation was the appropriate punishment."

3. "Consider the recent case of Judge Maria Lopez (d) involving Charles "Ebony" Horton. Horton pleaded guilty to the attempted rape of an 11-year-old boy. Not only did Lopez(d) minimize the serious nature of this crime, she also granted the criminal parole. Lopez sent Horton back to his home in Boston's public housing community, an environment with a large number of children."

4. Mark Hullet, age 34 from Williston Vermont was found guilty of raping a 6 year old girl for 4 years, I said rape, not molested. So from 6-10 years of age, this girl was raped over, over and over again.

The prosecutor was seeking 20 years imprisonment. Which, honestly, still isn't enough.

However, Judge Edward Cashman's (D) sentenced Hullet to a mere 60 days, where he will then be released back into society.

5. SAN JOSE -- A judge on Monday unconditionally released Brian DeVries, a sexually violent predator who has spent the last year under constant surveilance in a trailer on the edge of a prison because of fears he might strike again.

DeVries, 45, has been in and out of prison over the past 20 years after molesting at least nine young boys in New Hampshire, Florida and San Jose. He then spent more than six years in California's post-prison treatment program for "the worst of the worst" sex offenders before moving on to the trailer at Soledad's state prison.

DeVries grinned after Santa Clara County Judge Robert Baines (D) told him he is free to travel wherever he wants.

Okay Anon. Then explain why YOU and your kind here at Owatch insist that we all watch (and love) Bill O'Reilly and Fox. Why do you continue to insist that we all read Ann Coulter. Or that we are pro-war? Oh, yeah, I forgot. It's okay for YOU and your fellow Libs to sterotype people but God forbid someone attempt to stereotype YOU and Your kind.

I don't think we'll be talking about the NIE Iran report much longer. The CIA tape destruction seems to have hit a real nerve. I am surprised. Shocked, in fact. I expected the media to take the usual "Bush will be Bush tact," but this thing seems to have some pretty amazing legs

posted by mrs. philby

First, you claim 'we won't be talking about it much longer' then you claim 'it has amazing legs.' Which is it? It was a non- story to begin with.

Ok, Royal King = anon 3:35

My bad. I forgot to make clear to request including attributes for the quotes. I made the faulty assumption you had more practice with posting to forums, but to be as clear as possible please keep in mind that without a credible source the quotes are worthless, especially those who are requesting more info.

Granted, the judge did offer a probation to a couple of sexual offenders, but I want to know the circumstances of the cases, not the headlines alone. Thanks.

Ok, Royal King = anon 3:35

My bad. I forgot to make clear to request including attributes for the quotes. I made the faulty assumption you had more practice with posting to forums, but to be as clear as possible please keep in mind that without a credible source the quotes are worthless, especially those who are requesting more info.

Granted, the judge did offer a probation to a couple of sexual offenders, but I want to know the circumstances of the cases, not the headlines alone. Thanks.

Who cares about the destroyed tapes.
It waas terrorists they tortured.
Only the Left cares!

Granted, the judge did offer a probation to a couple of sexual offenders, but I want to know the circumstances of the cases, not the headlines alone. Thanks.

Posted by: The Last Straight Republican at December 8, 2007 10:08 PM

I'll post the links as soon as you post a link to your republican voting record, ok?

Man get a load of those old ages spots on Olby's face. So that's what he looks like without a shitload of Orange makeup on his ugly face.

"I'll post the links as soon as you post a link to your republican voting record, ok?"

Damn. I thought my rebuttals were lame.
That was pretty gay, rk.

Phony Soldier,
Why you like Olbermann who's an open supporter of Ahmadinejad?

Attention all:

I regret to inform you fellow OWers that I, Trent the Marxist, have spent many nights with Mr. Noam Chomsky and have now decided to change my name to Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist. Thank you, and many apologies for this interruption. You may now return to your olby-watching.

Lovingly,
Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist

Lovingly,
Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist

Posted by: Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist at December 9, 2007 4:10 AM

Are you sure? That sounds like something that should be followed with "by Ronco".

sn't it amazing how Johnnie-Jeff and his numbskull neanderthal conservative cohorts (a subset of conservatives, Cecelia, not all conservatives, before you start hurling barbs) cite judges and judicial decisions as examples of society gone awry? It is their normal disdain for the rule of law, for the Constitution and Constitutional rights, for criminal and civil procedure. Of course, that is too difficult to state, much less explain around, so it is always, "They love paedophiles." It is a very sad commentary on them (the subgroup, Cecelia).

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 8, 2007 8:24 PM

Capon, as a frequent reader of leftie blogs, hyperbole bordering on hysteria over the highest court in the land is as routine as their self-affirmations ritual.

The "banana republic" bit from the 2000 election is still a meme and the recent decision about partial birth abortion was heralding the apocalypse.

i just find it funny that he has on all the time that man in drag rachel (richard) maddow.

Posted by: jersey at December 8, 2007 9:52 AM

Good job sir! deriding a woman's appearance. That takes courage.

Krazy Keith is having a fit
Jock sniffer turned anchor dim wit
Mister Bush this and that
Keith eats what Bill shat
In the ratings he's getting lit

I find R. Maddow kind of cute...but maybe b/c I've always liked intelligent women.
No wonder these wingnuts are put off by her...She's so much smarter than they are !

That's the ticket !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 9, 2007 12:26 PM

Agreed.

Tent the Anarcho-Syndicalist whined: "Good job sir! deriding a woman's appearance. That takes courage."

What a hoot. Mysonigist Uberdouche is the master of cheap shots ("Adams apple", "slut", "cunt", etc.), on women's appearances.

That takes courage.

PS Rachel Maddow looks like a 12-year old boy.

What a hoot. Mysonigist Uberdouche is the master of cheap shots ("Adams apple", "slut", "cunt", etc.), on women's appearances.

Posted by: merkle923 at December 9, 2007 12:39 PM

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for a certain blonde pundit who calls 9/11 widows "harpies" or thinks that she knows is "godless".

Sorry, but I have no sympathy for a certain blonde pundit who calls 9/11 widows "harpies" or thinks that she knows is "godless".

Posted by: at December 9, 2007 12:50 PM

But, you would have no problem, whatsoever, defending the orange faced prick and his deplorable comments. No wonder you don't use a name.

Google "mysonigist" and Olbermann's name pops up... what a hoot.

"Google "mysonigist" and Olbermann's name pops up... what a hoot."

But if you spell it correctly, as in "misogynist, here is what happens:

1) - "mysogynist & Olbermann" - 9,200 hits.
2) - "mysogynist & O'Reilly" - 13,200 hits.
3) - "mysogynist & Limbaugh" - 20,000 hits.

Still want to continue on with this DISKUSHUN?

Keef is ridiculous with his "church lady" delivery of his insipid "speshul komment"s. He is a partisan paranoid with a TV show, and he appeals to nobody except his own church choir. I know because I hate him and his equivelent on the right. Keith is far more the mirror image of Sean Hannity than he would ever admit. Really.

Mike, according to your simpleton research, figuring per capita according to listenership, KEEF is lightyears ahead of O'Reilly and Limbaugh. Really. HA!

"Mike, according to your simpleton research,"

Your just not very good at recognizing a satiric answer to an utterly ridiculous post are you, ANON 2:26?

"Damn. I thought my rebuttals were lame.
That was pretty gay, rk." - Larry Craig

Larry, the word was "worthless."

I'll leave the qualified gay commentary up to you, closeted and otherwise. Congrats on your impending retirement, btw.

Good job sir! deriding a woman's appearance. That takes courage.

Posted by: Tent the Anarcho-Syndicalist at December 9, 2007 12:17 PM

Trent, you must live in my neck of the woods, because I never encountered men like this until I got on the web.

There seems to be a slew of them out there somewhere though.

There seems to be a slew of them out there somewhere though.

Posted by: Cecelia at December 9, 2007 2:41 PM

along with some women, I'll add too.

Damn. I thought my rebuttals were lame.
That was pretty gay, rk." - Larry Craig

Larry, the word was "worthless."

I'll leave the qualified gay commentary up to you, closeted and otherwise. Congrats on your impending retirement, btw.

Posted by: One of Many Pedophile Democrats at December 9, 2007 2:37 PM

The friend of Bernie Ward who posted this, still thinks the toe tapping republican is worse than his good friend Bernie Ward the pedophile and Barbra Boxer staffer. Now Barbra Boxer can march with her friend Nancy and NAMBLA in the homosexual agenda parade. Barbra and Nancy can push for the Boy Scouts to allow NAMBLA approved scout masters. Maybe Bernie Ward and be the first gay scout master?
Democrats, the party of the pedophile.

They hire pedophiles, their judges protect pedophiles, and they march with pedophiles. Like I said, the party of the pedophile.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=500586&in_page_id=1770

Al Gore, made 3,300 per min for his latest Global Warming hoax speech. Gore took a train from the Oslo Airport to his speech, but his luggage took a Mercedes.

"Al uses his position for great personal gain. He goes from event to event delivering a similar speech, earning a large fee, and a lot of the time he doesn't actually inform the audience.

"He refused to speak to journalists and security would usher away VIP guests and the Press.

"He was being very precious and demanded his own VIP room before the event, where he held his own exclusive reception.

"The other guests were cut off. It was very clear that many guests were disappointed by this."

No, the Democrats had someone worse than Mark Foley who actually had sex with a teenage page. They put him a committee.

Sorry, They put the pedophile on a committee after he was caught. Mark Foley resigned and he only sent text messages.

Why, you've got to take Factor with a grain of salt, just like you do his namesake....Bill O'Reilly.

Yesterday, after he made that same ridiculous claim that The leftist Democrats were "the party of the pedophile", I responded by remarking "I guess that explains why that "leftist" MSNBC Network keeps running the ground breaking "To Catch a Predator" series?

If he ever responded to that, I didn't see it.

The lunacy of comparing the misdeeds of a US Senator to those of much more ordinary folks is too absurd to address. Why go down that road?

I'm absolutely certain we could all find an endless supply of local 'examples' from both the left and the right if we were to look under every bush in every region.

In my opinion, it IS reasonable to hammer the republicans about morality breakdowns of major politicians and pundits because THEY are the party that held themselves up as being the paragons of morality and virtue....while dishonestly trashing the Democrats as being the opposite for so many years.

I hope for the sake of honesty, that we have now moved past such absurdity, and hold-outs like Factor can now be religated to the trash bin of of irrelevency.

Did you know that factor posted that Social Security is the "mother of all entitlement programs" just the other day? I'd like him tell some of those hard working and patriotic Americans face who have contributed heavily to SS for ALL those years to their face that they are counting on an "entitlement program".,,,,just like I'd like to see him tell ALL those posters he has called a "coward", and other such derogatory names on this blog.....do the same thing to their face!

Rep. Gerry Studds actually had a sexual encounter with a seventeen-year-old male page in 1973.

John Kerry
"Gerry was a stalwart champion of New England's fishing families as well as a committed environmentalist who worked hard to demonstrate that the cause of working people and the cause of the environment go hand in hand with the right leadership. When he retired from Congress, he did not retire from the cause, continuing to fight for the fishing industry and New England's environmental causes.”

U.S. Rep. Barney Frank (D-Newton), who announced he was gay four years after Studds’ disclosure, said yesterday his colleague didn’t let the scandal get in his way.

Barnie Frank
“It was very important to see, for young people in particular, somebody as capable and talented as he be openly gay,” said Frank, “That gave a lot people the courage to say, ‘I can survive this business in being honest about who I am.’”

“Gerry often said it was the fight for gay and lesbian equality that was the last great civil rights chapter in modern American history. He did not live to see its final sentences written, but all of us will forever be indebted to him for leading the way with compassion and wisdom,” said his husband, Dean T. Hara, 49, in a statement.

Hara said Studds was never ashamed of the relationship with the page.

"This young man knew what he was doing," Hara said. "He was at (Studds') side."

I do remember Cecelia taking exception to my point.
But then again, she always has excuses for the crimes and misdemeanors of her republican brothers.
How anyone can say it's NOT hypocrisy is pretty much a ridiculous response.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 9, 2007 3:53 PM

I have no excuses for the sexual peccadilloes of anyone. However, I did take exception to your childish and fallacious argument that Republicans are inherently predisposed to such things more than the rest of humanity.

I take exception as well to the implication the Democrats are less prone to the hypocritical label because they are somehow less judgmental or less condemning of such actions.

As far as I know, most of them look unkindly on adultery and upon cruising for love in public bathrooms.

So take this silly idiotic oneupmanship and go bicker about it with whoever has been harping and non-sequituring about pedophilia and democrats and such.

I personally don't care what anyone does in their spare time...but when you vote against gay issues as Larry Craig has, and then get caught cruising notorious gay hangouts...it is the ultimate in hypocrisy.
Posted by: Why Don't I Think at December 9, 2007 3:53 PM

"against gay issues" This is liberal code word for destroying marriage to get votes from the gay mafia. Why would Larry Craig want to destroy marriage just because he makes a terrible mistake in his own personal life? Why would he want people marrying the same sex, multiple partners, or goats and dogs because he can't control is own sexual urges? The left won't be happy until every city becomes a bath house and our population declines to the point that Muslim terrorists out number non-barbarians.

Why, Factor has also repeatedly called me a "liar" regarding a simple statement of FACT I made some time ago that I had voted for GWB in 2000. Not only has he labeled it a "lie", he has brought it up out of the blue several times for inexplicable reasons.

You made the "party over country" argument earlier, and that must be true in Factor's case, because nothing else makes any sense.

The very idea that he would find it beyond belief that someone could have changed their mind about President Bush based on such a novel concept as a bad job performance....apparently just doesn't make any sense to him.

With Factor, we are dealing with an alternate reality....and logic and common sense simply does not work within his twisted version of reality.

I do remember Cecelia taking exception to my point.
But then again, she always has excuses for the crimes and misdemeanors of her republican brothers.
How anyone can say it's NOT hypocrisy is pretty much a ridiculous response.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 9, 2007 3:53 PM

Because a talk show host is arrested for pedophilia it makes the Democrats the "the party of the pedophile. "

Your comments just get lamer by the minute !

Why don't you think !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 9, 2007 3:15 PM

Who's making excuses?

Even when the Factor gets slammed for his ridiculous points....he keeps coming back for more.

posted by why/some 50 others

Thi coming from the same loon who said, "George Carlin is not a drug addict!"

TDF!!!!!(*)(-)========

With Factor, we are dealing with an alternate reality....and logic and common sense simply does not work within his twisted version of reality.

Posted by: Mike at December 9, 2007 4:12 PM

Please Mike, I have already picked apart your uneducated argument that the president should allow the CIA to water board terrorists with a wink and a nod but state publicly that the he does not approve of torture. You stated over and over again that you don't mind terrorists being tortured as long as the president says that he doesn't agree with torture. You constantly talk out of both sides of your mouth to try and portray yourself as a reasonable person who supports the military. You don’t and we know.

Damn Factor, do you REALLY have to resort to outright lies in order to TRY to defend your far right wing lunacy?

I never said or posted any such thing, and either you know that, or your memory is as twisted as your worldview.

As previously stated....it's party over country with you every time.

"against gay issues" This is liberal code word for destroying marriage to get votes from the gay mafia. Why would Larry Craig want to destroy marriage just because he makes a terrible mistake in his own personal life? Why would he want people marrying the same sex, multiple partners, or goats and dogs because he can't control is own sexual urges? The left won't be happy until every city becomes a bath house and our population declines to the point that Muslim terrorists out number non-barbarians.

Posted by: The Factor at December 9, 2007 4:09 PM

Well, the interesting thing, Factor, is that none of their candidates aside for Kucinich has come out for gay marriage either...

Why, you ask? Because they sincerely think it's immoral, or a risky social experiment, or an inane intrusion against natural law?

Or maybe...just maybe...these champions of freedom turn away from it because...ummmm.... it just doesn't poll well...

Shouldn't there be a "special" hypocrisy medal somewhere for THAT?

So much for their voting for the ultimate "gay issue"... :D

Good point, Cec. Only Kucinich has come out for it. But, when a Republican comes out against it, look out for the attacks from the left. Liberal Hypocrisy, indeed.

Damn Factor, do you REALLY have to resort to outright lies in order to TRY to defend your far right wing lunacy?

I never said or posted any such thing, and either you know that, or your memory is as twisted as your worldview.

As previously stated....it's party over country with you every time.

Posted by: Mike at December 9, 2007 4:31 PM

Mike you have been convicted of many lies on this blog many times. You once stated that Olbermann has never been proven to lie. You have also stated that you have never listen to Rush Limbaugh and then stated that you stopped voting for Republicans because of Rush Limbaugh. You are a joke on this blog. Run along.

Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist... heh.

"Why, you ask? Because they sincerely think it's immoral, or a risky social experament, or an inane intrusion into natural law?

or maybe...just maybe...these champions of freedom turn away from it because.....ummmm...it just doesn't poll well...

Shouldn't there be a special hypocrisy medal for that?"

So why are you assuming the latter, rather than the former?

"I resent what this president and the neocons have done to my country."

Adios, amigos!

I resent what this president and the neocons have done to my country.
Posted by: Why Don't I Think at December 9, 2007 4:40 PM

This is not your country you disgrace. Get out, we don't want you or need you. Go to Iran and march for homosexual rights. LOL

Factor on my "lies":

"You once stated that Olbermann has never been proven to lie"....I said no such thing.

"You have stated that you have never listen to Rush Limbaugh"....I said no such thing.

"and that you stopped voting for Republicans because of Rush Limbaugh."....I said no such thing.

Factor, do you REALLY believe that whenever you have your butt handed back to you on this blog, that you can deflect your shame by making up lies about your blogboard vanquisher's past?

Mike, go find some names to make up so you can answer your own post. You seem to be the only person who finds your post intelligent.

Factor: "This is not your country you disgrace. Get out. We don't want you or need you."

So you think this is YOUR country, but it's NOT Why's country?

Unbelievable!

"Mike go find some names to make up so you can answer your own posts. You seem to be the only one here who finds your posts intelligent."

Instead of pretending to speak for everyone else on this blog, i'd suggest you try answering my posts at 3:42 & 4:12....or maybe you might try proving your deflective lies about my "lies" you posted at 4:40 PM?

Or maybe you could just tell ME to leave 'YOUR' country too?

Or how about another one of your old standards....call me a "coward" again?

And you could follow THAT up with....nayh, nayh, nayh, nayh, nayh!

I have marched for all people to have rights in my lifetime...as opposed to you who consider the word "rights' to be a dirty word !

Posted by: Why Don't I Think at December 9, 2007 4:55 PM

You march for people's rights? LOL While you protect the Hitler of our time in Iran? Please. You will be on this post screaming for the United States not to rush to war and 9/11 was an inside job after A-Jad makes Israel disappear. You are a National Socialist hate monger. Be gone.

So why are you assuming the latter, rather than the former?

Posted by: Mike at December 9, 2007 4:42 PM

Hey, I'm more than glad to assume the former-- that Clinton, Obama and the rest sincerely believe that gay marriage is immoral, or that it is a risky social experiment, or that is unnecessary intrusion into natural law...

All of which means they are no less judgmental or tolerant on the issue than are Republicans.

YOU want to break that news to Bobo?

And of course for her laser- like focus on democrats and her nonexistent criticisms and avoidance of finding fault with this president and republicans in general.
A partisan hack if there ever was one !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 9, 2007 4:50 PM

I have marched for all people to have rights in my lifetime...as opposed to you who consider the word "rights' to be a dirty word !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 9, 2007 4:55 PM

Looks like you'd have gotten several hernias by now from all the heavy melodrama.

More Factorisms:

"While you protect the Hitler of our time in Iran"....Hitler had absolute commend of his rather substantial armed forces and government...."A-jad" does not even command his own military ....A-Jad is not much more than a spokeman spewing out apocolytical rhetoric designed to make the likes of you quake in their collective boots than it is anything particularly meaningful.

"You will be on this post screaming for the United States not to rush to war and 911 was an inside job after A_Jad makes Israel disappear.".....

1) - Once again, "A-Jad does not have the power to 'make Israel disapear.
2) - You are HARDLY qualified to predict what someone else is going to say or do in the event of such an apolcolyptic event.
3) - I don't think Why ever claimed 911 was "an inside job"....If he did, I sure missed it.

FACTOR, once again; do you REALLY think unfounded ad hominum personal attacks and outright lies against your ideological opponents bolsters your arguments in ANY way?

"I resent what this president and the neocons have done to my country."

Which one? The current brand of U.S. neo-fascism is already running out of countries to shit on. For those of you spewing "Love it or leave it" sentiments, I suggest you move out of America immediately. There's plenty of corrupt Banana Republics awaiting your kind of blind faith. In the meantime, I'll do my best to help usher in the next Age of Reason here in the states.

Hey simpleton...George Carlin is not a drug addict. He's been clean for awhile...so as usual...you're wrong again !

Facts are like Kryptonite to wingnuts...but the Royalfraud is in a category all by his lonesome.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 9, 2007 4:30 PM

I seem to remember reading somewhere in your American culture that once a drug addict always a drug addict. Same as once an alcoholic always an alcoholic, even if in both instances they are no longer using or drinking.

Moot point to me of course, except for the fact that 99% of all drug addicts are on my side. How do you say in your American slang: "a fried brain is in my best interests."

Of course when I finally have taken control of your weak country there will be no more drug addicts alive to talk about, but for now their help is immeasurable!

Ayeee!!! Akuba!!!!!

From the patently dishonest "Osama" impersonator who believes he/she is SO clever: "Once a drug addict always a drug addict"

I guess that includes your sworn 'enemy'...drug addict Rush Limbaugh as well, huh?

I guess that includes your sworn 'enemy'...drug addict Rush Limbaugh as well, huh?

Posted by: Mike at December 9, 2007 5:44 PM

Limbaugh has called himself a recovering drug addict. That's what he is. That's what Carlin is. duh...

"Limbaugh has called himself a recovering drug addict. That's what he is. That's what Carlin is. duh..."

I think thats what I said.

I wonder if our very own "Osama" knows this?

Phony Soldier,
I think it's pathetic Leftist like Olbermann openly support Ahmadinejad and are gleeful that the Intelligence was wrong.
Olbermann is a traitor who should be hanged!

Joker: "I think it's patheitc Leftists like olbermann openly support Ahmadinejad and are gleeful that the intelligence was wrong"

Gee Joker, I'm kind of glad that the intelligence was wrong too.

Ar you saying that you WANTED Iran to REALLY be on the verge of creating the bomb? Maybe you'd like it better if it had turned out that they already had a bomb?

In other words, you're VERY disappointed that we no longer have a semi valid excuse to attack Iran?

Good Lord man!...Take a good look at what it is that you are saying!

From the patently dishonest "Osama" impersonator who believes he/she is SO clever: "Once a drug addict always a drug addict"

W. should have plenty to share on this topic as well.
From his behavior the last few years, I suspect he's revisited his friend Jack Daniels.

What's worse, subscribing to the "pathetic leftists" for life in truth and liberty or the "pathetic neo-fascists" for their ideals of death mongering, secrecy and unchecked abuses of power?

Mike,
What pisses me off is Olbermann's open support of Ahmadinejad.
You Leftists are in celebratory mode over this.
If Iran does get the bomb it'll be you guys fault.

The Joke seems to have forgotten that Europe and Russia still exist.

"The Joke seems to have forgotten that Europe and Russia still exist."

Fred Thompson, that you?

"If Iran gets the bomb it'll be you guys fault."

And who's "fault" is it that Pakistan already has the bomb (s), along with lots and lots of radical Islamists?

Who's "fault" is it that Russia and China have thousands?

Is it OUR "fault" that the intelligence was wrong?

Is it OUR "fault" that we were beating the war drums again with incomplete, questionable, and unrealiable intelligence?

Is it OUR "fault" that the rest of the world is going to be even more sceptical the NEXT time we start beating the war drums?

"Great show tonight Mr. Olbermann on the CIA destroying incriminating interrogation tapes.
Now that we're known as the "Waterboarding Nation" this bombshell should be the impetus for the Justice Dept to launch an investigation.
Let's see the democrats have the balls to do it !
With this being something like ....what ...the 8th major scandal in just the past few years...isn't it time that every patriotic American demands for this administration to be held accountable?
As the conservative Andrew Sullivan succinctly puts it, "What defines [a banana] republic? How about an executive that ignores the rule of law, commits war-crimes and then destroys the actual evidence? … We live in a country where the government can detain indefinitely, torture in secret, and then secretly destroy the tapes of torture sessions to protect its own staff.”"

What the hell are you talking about? You really need to get out of your parents' basement more WDYTA. If you think the Bush presidency is scadalous or oppressive in any way, then you are seriously living in your own little androgynous, vertebrate-challenged fantasy land. Has it ever even occured to you or your effeminate Democratic friends like Mike or anon. with spaces that if any of the things you're saying about the Bush administration are even remotely true, then you wouldn't actually be able to say them? Tell you what, why don't you throw a pity party for the poor oppressed Americans living under the horrible Bush regime. And don't forget to invite some Burmese monks and North Koreans.

'Series Of Assassinations Claims Iraq Police Chief As Latest Victim !

Suicide attacks have killed more than 20 people in the last three days in Diyala province, a tribal patchwork of Sunni Arabs, Shiites and Kurds that stretches from Baghdad to the border with Iran.'

I suppose that's good news for your side isn't it WDYTA? That must be so weird to actually be glad when innocent people are killed or maimed. What's that feel like WDDYTA, Mike, or ANON?

Suicide attacks have killed more than 20 people in the last three days in Diyala province, a tribal patchwork of Sunni Arabs, Shiites and Kurds that stretches from Baghdad to the border with Iran.
But the Surge is working...
Keep saying that until you convince yourself !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 9, 2007 8:12 PM

Well, John Murtha returned from Iraq recently and said the surge was working as have several reporters, so you're going to have to extend your ...loving ...thoughts to them as well...

"That must be so wierd to be glad when innocent people are killed or maimed. What's that feel like WDDYTA, Mike, or ANON."

Don't know, Fuknugat!

I don't have a clue what it feels like to be glad when innocent people are killed or maimed because thats something thats never happened to me.

The "wierd" thing is why in the hell are you asking ME that question?

Anon 8:24: "has it ever occured to you or your effeminate Democratic friends like Mike, or anon. with spaces that if any of the things that you are saying about the Bush Administration were even remotely true, then you wouldn't be able to say them?"

Actually anon, that and a lot of other things have occured to me, such as:

1) - We have something called the Constitution that protects freedom of speech and other things. One roque president cannot trash it by himself.

2) - Things happen in steps....kind of like your standard argument against 2nd Amendment encroachments. One thing leads to another.

3) - It is our DUTY as citizens to be vigilant against any encroachment upon individual liberties.

4) - In my opinion, GWB has never shown any respect for freedom of speech as evidenced by his many attempts to muzzle the media and punish government whistle blowers....as well as maddening penchant for secrecy and only telling part of the story.

5) - If we allow ourselves to be moved too far in that direction, one day we will wake up and there will be no freedom of speech....and then it will be too late!

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=10427

Who the fuck cares what Murtha thinks.

1) - We have something called the Constitution that protects freedom of speech and other things. One roque president cannot trash it by himself
Rogue, give me a break - more highly scrutinized than ANY other president by the media and it will only get worse for the next one,

2) - Things happen in steps....kind of like your standard argument against 2nd Amendment encroachments. One thing leads to another.
Thats a good point but unlikely with the press we have in this country.

3) - It is our DUTY as citizens to be vigilant against any encroachment upon individual liberties.
What about our DUTY as citizens to portray a united front against external threats? Does that factor in anywhere?

4) - In my opinion, GWB has never shown any respect for freedom of speech as evidenced by his many attempts to muzzle the media and punish government whistle blowers....as well as maddening penchant for secrecy and only telling part of the story.

Cmon Mike, muzzle the media? seriously? haas he shut down any radio, TV stations like Chavez? has he tried to do away with term limits? Until he tries that, everything you say is just over the top rhetoric.

5) - If we allow ourselves to be moved too far in that direction, one day we will wake up and there will be no freedom of speech....and then it will be too late!
I ABSOULTELY agree with you on this one except it will be from the OTHER direction with the ACLU leading the way with bullshit politcial correctness. More realisticly the threat of lawsuits for insulting certain "sensitive" groups will more surely limit true freedom of speech. THAT is more of a threat than some 1984 style crackdown on the press. It would be subtle and it would be incremental, a court decision here, a court decision there setting precedent. Don't dismiss that possibility. How many lawsuits has CAIR filed claiming discrimination or fantasy based hate crimes?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=500586&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

The Goracle is getting a little tiresome i guess

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html

Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan wont like this

The Olbermann groupies should get a clue and figure out what a fat ass this man is. He's 5x the size of Bob Costas when they sit side by side on the NFL show.

"Look at all the people that have been displaced, all the [lost] oil production, unemployment, all those type of things," said Rep. John P. Murtha, chairman of House Appropriations defense subcommittee. "We can't win militarily."

Not exactly as you implied, eh Miss Cecelia ?

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 9, 2007 8:54 PM

Oh, sure Einstein, you post something about 20 people having died as an indication that the surge isn't working, then when I reply with what Murtha said about the surge working in that violence is down, you then say but Murtha says that ultimately there needs to be a political solution rather than a military one.

But if Murtha didn't mean that the surge was working IN ANY SENSE... (not withstanding his feelings that ultimately winning the war is doubtful because of the Iraqis) then why did he say "the surge is working", oh tin eared one....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html

Code Pink and Cindy Sheehan wont like this

Posted by: McCool at December 9, 2007 10:16 PM

Let me save you some time here.

You can look forward to multitudinous dissembling and squawking that they were somehow deceived, lied to, and/or hypnotized as badly as they were when Cheney hid the truth from them about his foreknowledge that there were no WMD in Iraq...

You can look forward to Bobo and company swallowing it hook, line, and sinker.

You can look forward to feigned righteous indignation and feigned credulousness and a partisanship that makes one determinedly defiant to the obvious when it comes to the severer aspects of statecraft and to what Churchill said about the truth sometimes being so important that it must be wrapped in a shroud of lies, as well as the modern media belief that its role is one of unfiltered unthoughtful expose.

Bank on it.

I'm sorry, Cecelia, but I was making pralines earlier, and I got a sticky spot on my screen. What did you say about someone hiding Cheney's foreskin? This isn't another Larry Craig story, is it?

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 9, 2007 11:36 PM

Awwww, Capon... you discovered yet another pinnacle of manhood to mimic. You're auditioning for the part of Phony Soldier... Dare to dream...

What or who is the pinnacle of manhood. Foreskin or Cheney?

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 9, 2007 11:49 PM

You've been playing Foreskin since you came here and you don't have the gravitas for Cheney.

Go for Phony Soldier role, you've already got the phony part down.

I cannot even bring myself to watch Olbermann for the laughs his fake Q&A sessions with various guests provide.. he is just so damned crazy, and stupid for that matter.. its like I am in the twilight zone when I am channel surfing and I accidentally come across his show, thank you for watching him so I don't have to guys, I enjoy stopping by daily for a laugh at bathtub boy.

Poor Ignignokt,

So easily confused by reasonable thought.

Mike, just ran into a woman in the company lobby bitching about Bush. Overheard that she is about to have her third child (3 fathers) and can't understand why that "lying Bush" won't give her kids health care. Thankfully she said her first two haven't had any health issues yet. And her new boyfriend (not husband) is going to swutch jobs so it will include better benefits for her 3rd child. "Lord knows what I am gonna do with the first two"

Its a great example of why I dont agree with universal health care. And as cold as it is two deny these 3 children universal care because of their idiot mom, but I don't know why we would enable her to not keep her legs together.

PS. She kept me in the lobby evesdropping as she floated her 'facts' that Cheney bought insurance on the World Trade Centers two weeks before September 11th. Its a fact that Bush and Cheney can't hide... but no one is screaming about. She kept saying "look it up." With her and her 3 kids I guess you have four lifelong democrats there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664_pf.html

Read this little gem of an article. Your hero Nancy Pelosi new that the CIA was going to water board terrorists back in 2002. During the meeting where she and other members of congress were briefed, they encouraged water boarding and even asked if the CIA could be tougher on terroists. Looks like she only lost her spine when the Code Pink got after her.

Benson, A N O N Y M O U S addressed your post about the ignorant woman with 3 kids as well as I could.

Ignorance will remain as a plaque on our society as long as there are people in America, .... as long as most folks prefer playing video games to keeping up with current events, .... and as long as our schools continue to believe it is better to teach self respect and test preparation than it is to teach history, geography, and the other basics.

A N O N is right. There are no easy answers....but there is a problem....and we are all going to have to pay for it one way or the other.

I heard the Cheney insurance thing on Rush Limbaugh too. (not a Rush fan) Its a classic example of misinformation. The guy on Limbaugh went on and on about everyone in his neighborhood knew it was true and Rush was lying. Just hiding it from the american people.

Fact is a man can't buy insurance on a structure he doesn't own. And googling the item brought me very little.

Mike- I know you understand both sides of the issue. So throwing this nightmare story out to you only is my way of reinforcing why I feel so strongly against it. I choose to look the other way.

Sorry to say but I have no problem with sterilization of men and women who continue to drag on society and our social programs. It may appear heartless but if they curb the symptoms, THEN I don't have problems with expanding our social programs.

Same with immigration, shut down the borders and then reach out to the immigrants already in country. NOT the other way around.

Johnny,

Do we have a Phony Soldier and a phony Phony Soldier or are both entities coming from the same ISP?

Benson, Ignorance, hatred, and racism affects both sides:

As an example, just about every workday at about the same time on this very blog, we are treated to large doses of equal and opposite ignorance, hatred, and stereotyping as was displayed by the woman you described earlier, but this time from the right....as evidenced by two earlier posts today at 8:29 & 8:54.

Have a good day!

funny excerpt from THE ONION:

Bush's New Dentist Faces Tough Confirmation Hearing
December 10, 2007

The media, meanwhile, has often portrayed Applebaum as a beneficiary of nepotism, as both his father and grandfather worked in the dental profession. Some critics have been even harsher. In a recent segment that has been highly circulated on the Internet and within the political blogosphere, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann called Applebaum, 52, a "spineless hypocrite who is being called on not to clean teeth, but to obsequiously kowtow to the Bush administration."

"In a 1987 checkup with a young child who shall remain nameless, you purportedly discouraged the consumption of so-called 'sweets,' but just moments later, sir, you rewarded that same child with a lollipop from the office treasure chest," Olbermann said during a "special comment" addressed to Applebaum on the program Countdown. "Are we to believe that you do not classify lollipops as 'sweets,' sir? And more importantly: Is this really the man we want scraping the gums of the leader of the free world?"

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/bushs_new_dentist_faces_tough

Benson, Ignorance, hatred, and racism affects both sides:

As an example, just about every workday at about the same time on this very blog, we are treated to large doses of equal and opposite ignorance, hatred, and stereotyping as was displayed by the woman you described earlier, but this time from the right....as evidenced by two earlier posts today at 8:29 & 8:54.

Have a good day!
Posted by: Mike at December 10, 2007 12:18 PM

Instead of merely addressing that to Benson, you should have also stated the obvious to Capon who managed to use Phony Soldier as a means of broad brushing the whole of conservatism, including the lady you say you most admire here--Sharon.

The post at 9:11am would have certainly fit into your examples of people who will stoop to anything.

Sharon's the whole of conservatism? I had no idea. I read the WEEKLY STANDARD. I missed that. Of course, I have been busy roasting chestnuts these days.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 10, 2007 12:36 PM

No, you ascribed that role to Phony Soldier...

What would a day at OW be without your feigned righteous indignation, near immediate engagement in the behavior you just cluck-tutted, and then lame attempt to dismiss yourself afterwards.

BTW, are you sure wife didn't pull a fast one and hand you your own to roast?

Do we have a Phony Soldier and a phony Phony Soldier or are both entities coming from the same ISP?

---

Again with the names, already?

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 10, 2007 12:31 PM

Yeah. You're opportunistic enough to use someone on a blogboard as being emblematic of the whole of your political enemies and I'm opportunistic enough to venture that the person could be any sort of poseur.

Besides, I want to see if Phony Soldiers has a phony Phony Soldier counterpart. With your Rudy/Mrs. Philby experience it would make you a shoe in for the P.S. role.

Lookin for love in all the wrong places...

Posted by: Phony Soldier at December 10, 2007 1:00 PM

and going for lame stereotypes in all the Right ones...

Do we have a Phony Soldier and a phony Phony Soldier or are both entities coming from the same ISP?
Posted by: Cecelia at December 10, 2007 12:14 PM

Like J$ has nothing better to do...

Like J$ has nothing better to do...

Posted by: at December 10, 2007 1:17 PM

Like you're worried about J$...

^ actually, I care...without J$, there'd be no OlbermannWatch

Olbermann continues to spike "negative" Hillary stories....

Hillary Clinton Might Be the Least Electable Democrat
By Guy T. Saperstein, AlterNet. Posted December 7, 2007.

In the recent national Zogby Poll (Nov. 26, 2007), every major Republican presidential candidate beats Clinton: McCain beats her 42 percent to 38 percent; Giuliani beats her 43 percent to 40 percent; Romney beats her 43 percent to 40 percent; Huckabee beats her 44 percent to 39 percent; and Thompson beats her 44 percent to 40 percent, despite the fact Thompson barely appears to be awake most of the time.

By contrast, Obama beats every major Republican candidate: He beats McCain 45 percent to 38 percent; Guiliani 46 percent to 41 percent; Romney 46 percent to 40 percent; Huckabee 46 percent to 40 percent; and, Thompson 47 percent to 40 percent. In other words, Obama consistently runs 8 to 11 percent stronger than Clinton when matched against Republicans.

think for the above article:

http://www.alternet.org/story/69916

^ actually, I care...without J$, there'd be no OlbermannWatch

Posted by: at December 10, 2007 1:27 PM

So how do you connect THAT to a question about an ISP address?

> Do we have a Phony Soldier and a phony Phony Soldier or are both entities coming from the same ISP?

Well I just checked two PS posts at random. And it turns out they were from different IPs! Oddly, one of those IPs had tons of messages mostly posted under a name OTHER than Phony Soldier. It's the intellectual giant who otherwise calls himself "Wasted Keystrokes", who apparently decided to appropriate the Phony Soldier name for dark, nefarious purposes.

I wonder if Olbermann would have accepted his Molly Ivins award had he read this:

Molly Ivins

I will not support Hillary Clinton for president
January 20, 2006

AUSTIN, Texas --- I'd like to make it clear to the people who run the Democratic Party that I will not support Hillary Clinton for president.

Enough. Enough triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Enough clever straddling, enough not offending anyone This is not a Dick Morris election. Sen. Clinton is apparently incapable of taking a clear stand on the war in Iraq, and that alone is enough to disqualify her. Her failure to speak out on Terri Schiavo, not to mention that gross pandering on flag-burning, are just contemptible little dodges.

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2006/1304

Well I just checked two PS posts at random. And it turns out they were from different IPs! Oddly, one of those IPs had tons of messages posted under a name OTHER than Phony Soldier. It's the intellectual giant who otherwise calls himself "Wasted Keystrokes".

Posted by: johnny dollar at December 10, 2007 1:34 PM

Thanks, Johnny!

I'm not sure why it is necessary to "out" folks who comment on this blog. Why is it necessary to request one's ISP information? The moderator (J$?) should just delete really offensive posts.

^ let me further add:

perhaps you should ignore the comments you find offensive instead of turning this blog into some weird tattle-tale school yard.

http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/1/2006/1304

Posted by: Olbermann the spiker at December 10, 2007 1:34 PM

Have I missed Olbermann's coverage of at least two Clinton volunteers forwarding email that accuses Obama of being a radical Muslim?

In the '00 presidential primary you had unknown callers alleging that John McCain had a love child with a black woman, and Olbermann has several times referenced this and attributed it to religious right groups operating on Karl Rove's implicit behest.

If Olbermann did mention the Obama smear, did the buck stop with Hillary or just the volunteer workers?...

When Bill Clinton was president, over a dozen Asian donors to his campaign left the country, and now you have Hsu convicted of bundling campaign donations (busboys giving 2K and such...), has Olbermann managed to connect any dots here?

I'll bet that there isn't a Fox News program on that hasn't covered this stuff with a least one person on speaking on behalf of Hillary.

It's a testament to Olbermann's level of cognitive dissonance that he can nightly impugn Fox while behaving as a complete DNC puppet himself.

I have been busy roasting chestnuts these days.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 10, 2007 12:36 PM

Such a 'manly' chore. Don't hurt yourself, what ever you do.

perhaps you should ignore the comments you find offensive instead of turning this blog into some weird tattle-tale school yard.

Posted by: at December 10, 2007 1:50 PM

Perhaps you should take it up with the moderator you were so concerned over.

I wonder if Olbyonesidedkanoby will mention that Israel has proof that Iran is STILL making nuclear weapons? Rhetorical question, of course.

you you lied about Mr. Dollar supposedly saying I was posting under the name Jennifer. But, you seem comfortable forefeiting rights, as we all know.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 10, 2007 2:24 PM

Lying and simply adding one of your many names to a list that Johnny posted are entirely different. On the other hand, you claiming I 'run past recruiting offices' is definately a lie. Just one of your so many.

Have I missed Olbermann's coverage of at least two Clinton volunteers forwarding email that accuses Obama of being a radical Muslim?

Posted by: Cecelia at December 10, 2007 1:52 PM

I haven't been watching his program as closely, but I am pretty sure he DID NOT cover this story either.

I know he WON'T cover how Andrew Young (civil rights leader & former mayor) saying Clinton is BLACKER than Obama, Obama is NOT ready and should wait HIS TURN--2016 plus the always creepy "Bill has been with more Black women than Obama". Although MIKA on MSNBC did say that last quote is not that big of a deal. What a bunch of f*cking hypocrites.

Perhaps you should take it up with the moderator you were so concerned over.
Posted by: Cecelia at December 10, 2007 1:53 PM

by posting my comment, I'm pretty sure I did, dipshit.

You just sit there and say nothing because you happen to agree with most of what he says, just maybe not as profanely.

Posted by: Phony Soldier AKA Keystrokes Wasted at December 10, 2007 3:08 PM

Why should we condem the real Phony Soldier. He is not an Olbermann appologist. Nothing he says is as bad a what you and your ilk say. This is an anti-Olbermann blog. If you like Olbermann, you are a monster. No one will defend you except other Olbermann zombies. If you don't like it. Take a hike. You can find a home at the other zombie blogs.

Real Christians all right. As long as someone isn't insulting you, its ok.
Posted by: Phony Soldier at December 10, 2007 3:08 PM

Posted by: Phony Soldier at December 10, 2007 3:17 PM

AMEN! I "heart" wasted keystrokes & phoney Phoney Soldier ;)

Why should we condem the real Phony Soldier. Posted by: The Factor at December 10, 2007 3:25 PM

cause he's a racist...
homophobic...
potty-mouthed asshole.

Posted by: at December 10, 2007 3:39 PM

What does that make you?

Gosh!!!
Being a webmaster is SO COOL!!

I get to tell Cecelia and Johnnie-Jeff who's who!! This makes up for all of those wedgies in High School!!

I'm practically a celebrity out here!!
Anyone wanna go out for drinks??

Anyone??
Please??

Posted by: Phony Soldier at December 10, 2007 3:17 PM

> The brain of a hardcore Olbyloon. Pretty sad. They all react the same when exposed.

by posting my comment, I'm pretty sure I did, dipshit.

Posted by: at December 10, 2007 3:03 PM

Like J$ has nothing better to do... :D

If anyone said that about Larry Craig, you'd be jumping up and down and screaming.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 10, 2007 4:17 PM

Another comment w/out merit.

Posted by: Cecelia at December 10, 2007 5:42 PM

gawd are you a dipshit...but I do love the way you can't make your snappy comebacks to phoney soldier/wasted keystrokes---s/he f*cking owns you, dip.

"Well, Cecelia, it looks like all of your crybabying paid off. You see something you don't like and you run off to your precious webmaster like a third-grader tattling to the teacher."

and

"What's funny is that you or the rest of your Christian counterparts never ONCE complained about the rantings of the REAL Phony Soldier. Here's a guy who's racist, homophobic and basically just a plain asshole; but it never motivates you to come out against any of that."

Posted by: Phony Soldier at December 10, 2007 3:08 PM

I suppose it just would never occur to you, genius, that the "REAL" Phony Soldier may be no more a REAL a conservative than YOU are...

And if posting under various names is no big deal and not the sort of practice that anyone should mind or find deceptive, why is the term "tattling" used? That denotes pointing out something questionable---not to mention that you WERE doing something question by posing as someone else. Just because you're both idiots doesn't' mean you shouldn't be exposed.

If aliases are so unimportant and so driven by untarnished motives, why would anyone find it necessary to squeal at Johnny for revealing them?

Well, we both know why you and they would. The reason is if you've been deceptive on that, why would anyone believe ANYTHING you said here?

Before, as Wasted Keystrokes, I would have assumed you were telling me the truth when you appealed to something personal in argument as many here do--- say....your service record, your job, etc.

Not now, dope. And you know it.

gawd are you a dipshit...but I do love the way you can't make your snappy comebacks to phoney soldier/wasted keystrokes---s/he f*cking owns you, dip.

Posted by: at December 10, 2007 5:58 PM

Which one-- Phony Soldier or phony Phony Soldier, dip?...:D

Well, we both know why you and they would. The reason is if you've been deceptive on that, why would anyone believe ANYTHING you said here?

Posted by: Cecelia at December 10, 2007 6:01 PM

good chriiiiist! POT MEET KETTLE!
bwha hahhahahahahahha

Real Christians all right. As long as someone isn't insulting you, its ok.

Posted by: Phony Soldier at December 10, 2007 3:08 PM

Doesn't that play both ways, Einstein?

Who on the left was taking you to to task when you were writing your lovely little odes to mental health... about RK?

Yet Clucker only took either you or the other Phony Soldier to task the morning and compared that person to the whole of conservatism, when HE was insulted by something you or he or it said....

Frankly, the person you refer to as the "real" and racist Phony Soldier could be your brother, for all we know.

If there really is a "REAL" Phony Soldier, you didn't damage his credibility, he did that himself by what he writes.

However you can rant all you wish, Wasted Keystrokes, your credibility is over.

good chriiiiist! POT MEET KETTLE!
bwha hahhahahahahahha

Posted by: at December 10, 2007 6:08 PM

Nice of you to introduce yourself, maybe you two can be friends....

Any chance of getting the technicians to put a thought balloon over Keith's head during "Special" comments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGaUfjTtZJo

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

###
Oh yes...the great and brave Sgt. Madden better prepare to spread the guilt around in another area....the condoning of waterboarding to extract information from terrorist suspects!......

"'The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough,' said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/08/AR2007120801664.html?hpid=topnews

###
Mmm, bipartisanship review of waterboarding in 2002....and NO democrats called for its end! In fact....they were concerned the tactics were not harsh enough! Why?

Why their demogoguery now?

Oh yes, that's right.....its all about politics for the leftist ruling elite....not torture in 2002 because 9/11 was recent....the professional patriots performing their great duty in the CIA and military were trying to get information TO PROTECT THE COUNTRY.....

Now, 4 years later, the indignation and accusation that this is not AMERICA!!!!! These same professionals are now targets of possible criminal charges because it is politically beneficial to the left's ruling class!

Oh and remember Olbermann's accusation...."torture does not work!".....We now find out that the harsh techniques did give us valuable information.

My, my, my....national security by commitee is really working out well....I just love what the democrats have planned in responding to islamic terrorism! I recall no other country airing its dirty laundry like we are doing.....YET!.....we live under fascism under Bush....

Oh the contradictions.....Oh the demogoguery.....FEAR BUSH!

And as the fearful, crazed politicians scream that the US Constituion is being trashed, the country continues to be protected by President George Bush....no terrorist attacks, no more 9/11's.....

Fear and self-loathing of political demogogues who actually were informed of the policy in 2002....oh the irony!

Like I always say to the democrat shills on this board (mental midget, Mr. blank-FLUCKER, whiney Mike and wannawipe amonst other silly fearful twits)....did I not call it? The democrats are not for the US Constitution or for national security....They are for an issue to use to scare you silly little synchophants to scream, "PROTECT US FROM BUSH AND THE NEOCONS!"

From my savior's myth story (right wannawipe and Mr. blank-FLUCKER)....
Like the angel said to the shepherds abiding in the fields, gents...."Fear not!"

And this is my post today, the 1,675th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"There is no doubt ... that Al Qaeda is operating in Iraq. There is no doubt that we've had to take very strong measures against them. And there is no doubt that the Iraqi security forces have got to be strong enough to be able to withstand not just the violence that has been between the Sunni and the Shia population and the Sunni insurgency, but also Al Qaeda itself." GORDON BROWN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

"Thinking such as your's is a cancer on our nation that needs to be cut out." MIKE posted 10/4/07 7:02PM

Mmm, bipartisanship review of waterboarding in 2002....and NO democrats called for its end! In fact....they were concerned the tactics were not harsh enough! Why?

Why their demogoguery now?

posted by cee

I hope you're not expecting anything that resembles a coherent argument or answer from any of the resident far leftists. The chance of Olbermahn mentioning it? 0.

Nope, I don't, RK......the abilities of the left's representatives on this board has greatly declined over the past 6 months....I thought I would never think I would actually miss someone like Lucy Van Pelt (SLOB), but at least he was amusing and used his God given brain to at least be a challenge....

All I have now are the psychotic ramblings of wannawipe to amuse me....t just no longer cuts it.

Refer to 7:56. The poster sometimes known as 'why' plays the 'divert' car. Shocker.

Olbermann, in his story about the CIA officer and waterboarding, conveniently leaves out some important statements by the agent.
John Kiriakou made the following statements that Olbermann wants to pretend he never said:
"The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks."
"What happens if we don't waterboard a person, and we don't get that nugget of information, and there's an attack," Kiriakou said. "I would have trouble forgiving myself."
These statements don't conform to Olbermann's view, but instead of letting his viewers know of them, he makes no mention whatsoever of what was actually said. For informed viewers, this is the best comedy on TV.

Everyone here has a limp dick.

OK, I confess. WHY and McCool are the same person!! Why is my moron personality.

"They'll say ANYTHING to make them stop the pain."
Posted by: Why Don't You Think

You are very much like your hero Olbermann in the way you pick and choose what information you choose to dispense. In your statement, you totally ignore what the CIA agent said, so I'll refresh your memory: "The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks." He obviously didn't just say "ANYTHING!"
Your fear of President Bush clouds your mind and common sense.

BOBO,

Yes, Jesus would torture. Christians believe that most of humanity is going to spend eternity in HELL if they don't beieve in Him. Remember? If He can do it, we can do it, too.

Khalid Sheik Mohammad was waterboarded and spilled the beans on a few things. Therefore waterboarding works.

Stop being such a Gloomy Gus, will you?

Rico on torture:

"If we can do it, we can do it to"
&
"stop being such a Gloomy Gus"

I can't think of a 'Gloomier Gus' than someone who takes such glee in the US abandoning it's principles because of knee knocking fear of terrorists, who could not defeat America in a thousand years.....unless we HELP them do it by abandoning our own principles!

"So you want to believe."
Posted by: Why Don't You Think

The quote I provided - "The threat information he provided disrupted a number of attacks, maybe dozens of attacks." - was not issued by "this administration" as you imply. It was said by the CIA agent who commented about the use of waterboarding on terror suspects. Apparently your standard procedure for dealing with statements that don't conform to your viewpoint is to credit the statement to the Bush administration and call it a lie.

For once in your life answer a question.
Would Jesus torture?

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 10, 2007 8:56 PM

I'll be more than glad to answer the question, but you need to clarify it.

Do you mean would Jesus have tortured anyone for information while he walked the earth as man.... or would Jesus torture anyone now that he has ascended to heaven .... or would Jesus condone men torturing for others for information?

Cecelia @ 6:01 PM: "I suppose it just never would occur to you, genius, that the "REAL" Phoney Soldier may be no more a REAL a conservative than YOU are."

It sounds as if you've made that assumption yourself! That would be far more convenient than accepting him as one of your own, wouldn't it?

I could just as easily have made the assumption that O'Leilly is a right wing shill, but I had no more basis for making that assumption than you had for assuming Phoney Soldier is really a left wing shill....UNLESS....you know something you shouldn't know?

I watched with amusement as you, RK, and several others kept 'exposing' the 'fake' Phoney soldier as anyone BUT Wasted Keystrokes. I can at least say that I was pretty certain you were all wrong at the time.

I also tend to believe that if you REALLY believed that the "REAL" Phoney Soldier was in fact, a left wing shill, then you would have put at least as much emphasis in 'exposing' him as you did in your attempt to 'expose' the "fake" Phoney Soldier!

And no, I don't know why I keep accidently misspelling "phony" as "phoney"?

Rico: "Yes, Jesus would torture"

What a ridiculous discussion assertion!

Scripture teaches that Jesus SAVES. Jesus saves the faithful.

Scripture also teaches that Satin is the one who "tortures" by damning the unfaithful to eternal damnation in Hell.

This is beside the point that many, if not most Christians today probably no longer believe in the concept of "Hell"!

Mike,

If you could show me where I exposed Phony Soldier as being ANYONE before Johnny mentioned that he was Wasted Entire Keyboard...I'd appreciate it.

The only reason I brought the subject up is because Capon was comparing the whole of conservatism, including Sharon, to a posting name that was obviously a composite of several people.

Now what do you mean that I knew something that I "shouldn't have known"?

Perhaps since you either mimicked a poster called Red State in order to make a conservative caricature of him or originated the poster by the name in the first place, perhaps you can share your insight into these sorts of things, whether it's about O'Lielly or Phony Soldier.

Would Jesus torture?

Jesus would not have to torture for information because he knos the thoughts of all. He knew what was in the hearts of the Pharisees when they asked questions to set Him up, sort of like, "Would Jesus torture?"

"Woe to thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell ... it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee" (Matthew 11:21-24).

D you think Jesus was referring to waterboarding to obtain information or some other kinds of acts to merit such a condemnation?

I personally don't view waterboarding as the same level of water torture that occurred through history, at least what I read. The fact that men have volunteered to undergo water boarding indicates it is not life threatening, but a terrible sensation. Nonetheless, I respect the opinion of John McCain, who indeed was tortured. His words have more meaning to me. I wonder how the other guests at the Hanoi Hilton feel about the issue?

I also am glad the CIA tapes were destroyed. Water boarding has been described in detail and has been demonstrated for all to see. The harm of propagandizing, IMO, outweighs the value of the evidence for discussion of the whole issue. When the pictures of Abu Ghraib were shown repeatedly, Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong and others were beheaded for all to see. What is the story behind the timing of this story? I know the Times was about to report it when the Admiral Mullen decided to reveal it ahead of print.

Please just overlook my typos, etc.

Cecelia, If I lumped you in with the group that had attempted to pin the 'fake' Phony Soldier incorrectly, I apologize.

As for my very EARLY mimic of "Red State" long ago for one or two posts, I again offer my defense that I did this EARLY in my tenure on this blog and it is high time you let it go!

This "Red State" poster had a particularly nasty habit of making unprovoked stereotype based ad hominem attacks on me after reading posts she disliked. It was nasty....dishonest....diversionary, and yes, it bothered me a lot in my early days on this blog because I truly did not understand why a political disagreement merited a personal attack on someone's lifestyle?

That was one weapon I used to fight back.

And yes, I have since become used to that kind of nastiness.....and learned how to shrug such crap off.

Well, since you're the one suggesting that I never cared about what Phony Soldier said until you appeared under his name, aren't I supposed to cry?

Goodness, knows you're right. How many idiots both real and faking on this site am I supposed to call out?

The better question is how many people insulting an opponent by implying that he's homosexual, as you did, should YOUR own side call out?

I took notice of your posts because they were obviously a composite of several people. I took an interest that my theory would be proven when Sharon was compared by Capon to what would have had to be the sum totality of Phony Soldier.

Listen, you're a creepy sleaze. Don't feign righteous indignation now. We've seen your work...

Wasted,

I thought Capon was posing as Phony Soldier. I owe him an apology for that one, although the substance of Capon's references to RK are the same, just wrapped prettier. The reason why I did not object to phony Phony Soldier's comments is that they were mostly directed to RK, and initially to myself, if you recall. It is not my style to respond to pornographic crap that involves me. You haven't received much sensitivity training at work, have you? Secondly, because the comments revolved around RK, I figured he could better defend himself. I didn't want the accusation of "hiding behind the women's skirts" thrown around again. If you have been here before, you would know how old that one is.

"Anytime I've ever appealed to anyone in a personal way out here it has been nothing but judged." (Wasted, or whatever your screen name is).

I made some small talk about the Steelers game and the Patriots (time out call issue, my bad). You couldn't resist making a political attack when the tone of my comment was crystal clear.

However you can rant all you wish, Wasted Keystrokes, your credibility is over."

What the hell does this mean exactly? Am I supposed to care? Did you or any of your hypocrites ever have a good thing to say about anyone who disagrees with you anyway? My credibility is fine. It is yours as a Christian that is in question.

Posted by: Cecelia at December 10, 2007 6:17 PM

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 10, 2007 10:43 PM

You know as compelling as it is for you to say that instead of just arguing with a bigoted person outright, that you took their name in order to make them.. uhhh....worse than they obviously are.... yes, you have no credibility.

No, you aren't expected to notice.

Mike,

Do you not have "knee knocking fear" that the Bush Administration is going to tap your phone and take away your civil liberties?

Before you say "that's already happened" tell me what rights you have lost.

Mike,

If there's no Hell then there is nothing to be saved from. It there's no Hell then maybe there is no Heaven, either.

Or maybe we all died and went to Hell and this is it!

Wasted Entire Keyboard,

Did you post pornographic statements towards Sharon?

Partial synopsis of the book, When Hell Was in Session" by Jeremiah A. Denton Jr.

"For his efforts, he was brutally tortured and suffered through four endless years in solitary confinement. It was because of his faith in God and America that he survived interrogations with closed lips, that for 7 years he never wavered from the military Code of Conduct in the face of his Communist masters. Yet this family man and now former senator doesn't recount his story for personal gain or glory. He has a deeper, more noble reason:"

http://www.conservativebookser
vice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=C4979

Closed lips? Wow.

If any of these people thought he was really a lefty they would've put at least SOME effort into calling him out at SOME point.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 10, 2007 10:58 PM

Just what do you think I did "at some point" (when Capon made his comparision), dope?

Rico: "Do you not have "knee knocking fear" that the Bush Administration is going to tap your phone and take away your civil liberties?"

Hell no! I have a steady CONCERN that losing one right leads to losing another right, which leads to losing another right...until we are but a shell of what we once were. THAT is why we cannot sit by passively while rights and liberties are stripped away out of what I consider to be irrational fear.

We do NOT need to torture!....They do NOT need to randomly tap phones of Americans, therebye violating their right to privacy!....And Roosevelt had it right; "The only thing we have to fear is ear itself".

I remain convinced that the ONLY way the Islamic extremists will EVER 'defeat' us is by making us defeat ourselves by stripping away our own principles and liberties....out of irrational fear of THEM.

And THAT is their goal!

Mike,

Isn't the issue not wiretapping, but wiretapping without going through the FISA court?

Rico: "If there is no hell then there is nothing to be saved from"

I think it's called eternal life vs eternal darness Rico.
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Rico: "If there is no hell then there is no Heaven, either"

That is not exactly a logical or provable conclusion.

Mike,

Roosevelt was blowing smoke up everybody's ass with that "all we have to fear.........". This is the guy that put 120,000 Japanese americans into the internment camps. I think they were all innocent people. Bush has not done 1% of of what FDR did to harm "civil liberties". Don't forget that FDR napalmed Japan, and carpet bombed Germany for years on end. He was too busy killing millions of civilians to be scared of anything. Good for him; it worked!

Mike, I have concern that some Muslim terrorists might want to try another 911. I don't want that to happen, and am willing to have a lot of phones tapped if it helps prevent that. But if you think that there are no Islamic terrorists in the USA right now, you may make that point. I differ.

And you're a lousy Christian who thinks she's superior. Don't feign righteous indignation now. We've seen your work...
Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 10, 2007 11:14 PM

Well, as compelling as it is to be called a "lousy Christian" by someone who writes about doing pornographic violence to others, did you also feature Sharon in your creative writing posts, Oh moral collossus?

"Isn't the issue not wiretapping, but not wiretapping without going through the FISA court."

As I understand it.....but what's your point?

Who knows who's phone is being tapped...or why?...Without court oversight of any kind!

What's to keep them from using information unrelated to terrorism against someone? Whats to keep one thing from leading to another?

As I understand it.....but what's your point?

Who knows who's phone is being tapped...or why?...Without court oversight of any kind!

What's to keep them from using information unrelated to terrorism against someone? Whats to keep one thing from leading to another?

Posted by: Mike at December 10, 2007 11:25 PM

uhhhhh...... the fact that your attorney could demand to know how the information was obtained in the first place....

Rico, FDR was WRONG by interring the Japanese!

History has established that.

It was NOT a star in RDR's cap and it IS a shameful part of our history, which I wish had never happened. We should LEARN from that rather than use it as an excuse to repeat the same mistakes.

I too am concerned that terrorists may want to try another 911...but I am equally concerned that we may damage ourselves and our own ideals far worse than any attack could do to us....IF we let them make us sacrifice our own principles.

I remain convinced THAT is what they want to do to us more than anything else....That is precisely why they call it TERRORism. The spreading of terror is far more important to them than any actual destuction that they achieve.

I watched with amusement as you, RK, and several others kept 'exposing' the 'fake' Phoney soldier as anyone BUT Wasted Keystrokes. I can at least say that I was pretty certain you were all wrong at the time.

posted by mike

"Kept?" I mentioned, once, that it might be philby or patsy. There was no "kept" about it.

Cecelia,

It is usually me who is on the other end of the hypocrite Christian routine.

I think a big chunk of phony Phony Soldier's comments were deleted from the other night. Grammie has taken Phony Soldier to task often. I don't recall anyone encouraging him. Yet on the other hand, I don't hear anything but raah raah for AAP with his continual harassment of Cee.

Hey Why, AAP, the Geneva Conventions require respect for the dignity of the person, respect for religion.

"Someone makes a comment about St. Sharon"

Sainthood is not given to people who come to OW, me included. Also, maybe you wish it but I am not dead yet.

Mike,

Rico: "If there is no hell then there is nothing to be saved from"

Mike: I think it's called eternal life vs eternal darness Rico.

Which is it, Mike? You make a comment that most Christians no longer believe in Hell, then you talk about "eternal darkness". If eternal darkness isn't Hell then what is it?

You have taken both sides of an issue, and not for the first time. Please clear this up, Mike.

Oh that's right...your function here is to carry the water of others who have ideas and be a cheerleader: "Good point Cecilia", Let's see them answer that question Cee?
You are a laughing stock !

posted by why (sometimes)

And THAT is their goal!
Posted by: Mike at December 10, 2007 11:15 PM

And they are winning if you read the comments by the wingnuts at this site concerning the topic of torture.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 10, 2007 11:17 PM

What were you saying, water boy?

So we have ANOTHER religious hypocrite.

No one out here calls THEMSELVES Capon. Yet YOU do.
Do you think that person appreciates being called a casterated chicken, especially by someone as God-loving as you?

- Capon has had several lives here. It seems as good a name as any.

- When I complimented Grammie on something, he made lesbian references. Check out some of his rhetoric on his Catholic faith from the archives.

I've seen you and the other ladies defend him in the past, so whatever.

-So, you have been ignoring quite a bit of shenenigans here.

The tone was NOT crystal clear. God you are righteous. I said the Pats would win and you started bringing up the cheating AND the time out call. I notice you didn't mention cheating just now. My comment to you was its funny how you chastise a football team for cheating but not the President. YOU'RE the one that brought up CHEATING!!

- Steelers and the Presidency? Sheez.
- I mentioned the time out as a mea culpa (i.e, it WAS Baltimore). I didn't mention the cheating because that wasn't "my bad."

_ Who is the worked up one doing all of the CAPITALIZING?

Cecelia,

Wasted thinks Capon is a castrated chicken. Ha! His opinion is even worse than yours and Grammie's. Who was it that came up with the cartoon character name?

Sharon: "I don't hear anything but raah raah with his continual harrassment of Cee"

Sharon, to be fair about that, Cee has been anything but a paragon of virtue in showing respect for opposition posters.....He has constantly berated ideological opponents by giving them silly nicknames (ie., "Whiney Mike), by calling their patriotism into question by labeling them as "un-American", and by constanly trying to ram down our throats repetitive out of context quotes...including one of my own he completely misunderstood and has been advised of such at least ten times now...but he keeps right on doing it!

By comparison, YOU don't stoop to tactics like that....and as a result, I give complete credence to your claim to being a true Christian....while I hold Cee's claim to being the same in some serious doubt.

That said, we COULD use the same nasty tactics against him, but eventually the bandwidth of this site would probably be overwhelmed if we did.

That said, I don't like AAP's tactics on this blog either, and have said so in the past...but I have no inclination to come to the defense of Cee either....and maybe you can now begin to understand why?

not ONE, not a single ONE of the BU$HWIPES came after him when Laura Phony BU$HWIPE posted:

JESUS WAS A PUSSY!
PUSSY!
PUSSY!

In fact, recently, the Proud Redneck Psychopath was trying to reach to Pastor DUMBFUCK and Fuctoid for support in its backward right wing rants.

Good luck BU$HWIPES!
Laura Phony Bu$hwipe is ALL yours!

Again, get a life.
The two of you refer to another guy as a "Capon".

You have no room to talk, HYPOCRITE.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 10, 2007 11:44 PM

I'll take that as a "yes", you did write pornographic material directed at Sharon.

With your logic, Capon's posts mentioning "foreskin" and Cheney would be comparable to your fantasies. And fantasies you wrote all the while under some other idiot's name.

Niiiice....

Mike,

I have often heard you say that we as Americans need to take the high road. I think that should then be a response to everything you claim about Cee's tactics (which I don't view as you do). I label myself "Christian" but certainly not true in the sense of good example or otherwise.

Rico:

Another word for "eternal darkness" would be death vs eternal life.

Death is not Hell. Death is nothingness.

Yes, many Christians HAVE now rejected the premise of a tortuous eternal 'life' in Hell, but many have not.

It makes neither group any more or less of a Christian in my opinion.

No Rico, NONE of my previous statements were contradictory, as you just implied.

Cecelia,

As a birthday gift for me, let's keep Wasted out of the discussion for the 37 minutes remaining today : )

Cecelia,

Wasted thinks Capon is a castrated chicken. Ha! His opinion is even worse than yours and Grammie's. Who was it that came up with the cartoon character name?

Posted by: Sharon at December 10, 2007 11:59 PM

Me. And yes, I think Capon is a castrated chicken.

Given the choice, I wonder if Wasted Keystroke would rather that I called Clucker "Capon" under his real name, or if, under his name of Wasted Keystrokes, I wrote the posts he wrote as Phony Soldier? :D

12:02,

I never saw the origination of the comment that violates my rights under the Geneva Conventions, were a prisoner under a regime under your control. You are the only one I saw posting it. How in the world should we all know the origination of every perverted comment?

Cecelia,

As a birthday gift for me, let's keep Wasted out of the discussion for the 37 minutes remaining today : )

Posted by: Sharon at December 11, 2007 12:07 AM

You got it!

Happy birthday, Sharon, and merry Christmas too!

12:02,

I never saw the origination of the comment that violates my rights under the Geneva Conventions, were I a prisoner under a regime under your control. You are the only one I saw posting it. How in the world should we all know the origination of every perverted comment?

If it's your birthday Sharon?.....HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

Thanks, Cecelia. Did you know that the feast of St Cecilia fell on Thanksgiving this year? I was going to comment to you that day, but couldn't.

That said, we COULD use the same nasty tactics against him, but eventually the bandwidth of this site would probably be overwhelmed if we did.

Posted by: Mike at December 11, 2007 12:00 AM

Please elaborate. What "nasty tactics" could you... as in "we" use against Cee because of his opinions that would overwhelm the bandwidth of the site?

Thanks, Mike. I had such a good day that even unmentionable people here couldn't ruin it.

Thanks, Cecelia. Did you know that the feast of St Cecilia fell on Thanksgiving this year? I was going to comment to you that day, but couldn't.

Posted by: Sharon at December 11, 2007 12:15 AM

You know my parents came close to naming me Cynthia, Sharon, but didn't want me to be called Cindy.

I come from wise stock... :D

Cecelia, in answer to your 12:16 PM post(why isn't this clock ever right?):

We could collect seemingly incriminating quotes of his taken out of context and keep posting them over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

After all, there is plenty of material to pick from.

Mike,

So "eternal darkness" is Hell lite! Well, Mike, it's a "lite" world in which we live now. Thanks for clearing that up.

I am just thankful my birthday is in December so I don't get older until the end of the year. My kids keep my young. You don't strike me as a Cindy. I have the honor of being named after the 1956 Miss America winner Sharon Kay Richie. I guess while in high school, my mom thought if she ever had a girl, she would name her after that particular Miss America. One last thought before I exit stage left, maybe you could drop Grammie a line at Newsbusters sometime?

PATSY,

We always appreciate hearing the views of the Involuntarily Celibate Community. You certainly are an outstanding representative of such. And let me remind you that your posts always inform us that you have never been laid, but also why you will never get laid.

I have good news, and bad news, PATSY! Hillary has promised make the Dweeb Virgin Community a protected sexual minority, with all of the rights that come with that. Unfortunately, Romney or Rudy will kick her ass November next and it will never happen. Too bad for you, because then you have nothing to look forward to.

But it's not all bad. Today you are one day closer to being the world's oldest virgin than you were yesterday. Not doubt Mommy is very, very proud.

Cecelia, in answer to your 12:16 PM post(why isn't this clock ever right?):

We could collect seemingly incriminating quotes of his taken out of context and keep posting them over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

After all, there is plenty of material to pick from.
Posted by: Mike at December 11, 2007 12:24 AM

But if the posts are "seemingly" incriminating rather than actually incriminating, and if they are dishonestly taken "out of context", wouldn't that say something more about your (as in "we") honesty and tolerance for a differing opinion than it ever would about Cee's?

BTW, how would posting them over and over effect the bandwidth on the site, Mike?

is not sure if the many "muslim bad guys" he has "taken out" via his deadly keyboard (read, zero) are in hell or not.

There, Ronco. There is no hell. Nothing to fear. Drop your keyboard, pick up a gun, and head for your nearest Mosque. Right after your grow an ovary and shut your big mouth. Then come back and tell us all the details!

Maybe you can ask Santa for an ovary?

I am just thankful my birthday is in December so I don't get older until the end of the year. My kids keep my young. You don't strike me as a Cindy. I have the honor of being named after the 1956 Miss America winner Sharon Kay Richie. I guess while in high school, my mom thought if she ever had a girl, she would name her after that particular Miss America. One last thought before I exit stage left, maybe you could drop Grammie a line at Newsbusters sometime?
Posted by: Sharon at December 11, 2007 12:31 AM

Sharon, I'm too lazy to sign up for Newsbusters, but I might give it a try. :D

Yes Cecelia...one reason I'm not doing it!

But it is EXACTLY what Cee is doing.

Please do. It takes a couple of days to get a response. I know what you mean about registering. Uggh. I do wish it would happen here, though.

Yes Cecelia...one reason I'm not doing it!

But it is EXACTLY what Cee is doing.

Posted by: Mike at December 11, 2007 12:56 AM

Baloney.

1:19

I guess you missed it from the other day. Huff Post linked Newsbusters.

Also, you don't need to post publicly to communicate.

Did I fool ANYBODY? Do you think I don't know that J$ can trace IPs?

Don't tell me what MY motives were. Others may allow you to speak for them, but you don't scare me, hypocrite Christian.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 10, 2007 11:22 PM

You motives are obvious. They were to post what you wouldn't have posted under your own name.

That has happened rather often here and you banked on the fact that you wouldn't be called out for it. That's why you're busily impugned me and everyone else after you've been outed.

In the process of pretending to be someone else, you've proved yourself as bad, if not worse than the other man (who may be another pretender just as you are) who posts under the name of Phony Soldier.

We see you precisely outed and exposed as the sort of man you are. Congratulations, creep.

"Any dems that reviewed the practice and found nothing wrong with it should face the consequences as well."

###
At least wasted answered my challenge instead of retreating to the "you hurt my feelings with your out of context quotes," or the even sillier, "WWJD."

Whiney Mike and mental midget just cannot face the fact that the leftist ruling class in this country is WORSE than anything they childishly fear from the eeeeevil neoconservatives or even more moderate REPUBLICAN voices like John McCain....who, by the way, has never stated his fellow Americans were just as bad as the terrorists even if the performed waterboarding, gents. He also 100% supports the war in Iraq and wants it continued funding and aggressive approach!

You seem to selectively choose your allies....Jesus Christ, John McCain, etc.....Funny....neither of these have ever said anything close to the hateful and wrong stuff you or any other leftist has posted on this site....I brought neither into this discussion, but it is very telling (especially the tactic of brining Christ into the discussion), of how weak your real argument against the original post is....

I contended that DEMOCRATS, the left's ruling class, condoned and EVEN WANTED TO INSURE THERE WERE HARSHER TACTICS, for getting life saving information from suspects known to have knowledge of such murderous thoughts....It worked! And for mental midget to simply dismiss a news report that is sourced is hypocritical because this is the same mental midget who cuts and pastes all sorts of stuff even less researched that the WaPo story!

And whiney Mike....what can I say....you also seem to place yourself above the fray when it comes to the lies your democrats spout....ILLEGAL TORTURE BY BUSH!.......You never addressed the facts now known that the speaker of the house was well informed of these techniques back in 2002 AND ENDORCED THEM!

So.....Bush is not legally or morally alone in his judgement back in 2002 to protect the lives of American citizens.....and the US Constitution....by using harsh interogation techniques.....your leftist leaders were well informed and NEVER SAID A WORD until it was a political advantage to take advantage of your irrational fears over constitution shredding and other demogoguery!

You are fearful, Mike....not me...I think Bush has done an excellent and legal service as President and he will leave The White House unindicted and unimpeached AS PROOF!

Oh, and Jesus....Like Sharon said...He would not use torture because He is God...omnipotent. omninecient, and omnipresent....a myth to leftists like Mr. blank-FLUCKER, mental midget, wannawipe and Mike so really not a good point to bring up, gents....You can blame the venerable professor, MM!

I will post more later without the out of context quotes, Mikey.....I know they
annoy you so.

wannawipe...I answered your friend's question on whether Jesus would use torture....He would not.

It was a silly question to begin with, but I respect your friend's right to ask it.

Jesus Christ knows all, wannawipe, but reveals what he wants to those He chooses......George Bush never claimed divine revelation to the facts of policy that lead to Hussein's legal and needed removal from power....nor have I. We relied on the professionalism of our intelligence community which seems to have been in error....as we relied on the professionalism of these people in regards to interrogating terrorist suspects......

Oh, but they used waterboarding.....then not a torture according to your leftist ruling elite, but now torture....Why, wannawipe?

Try to keep up, wannawipe....you are, as usual, getting your butt kicked by me, the little flat-earther fundy who believes in angels and a loving God willing to save anyone....including meanspirited and profanity using atheists like yourself!

You never finished trying to understand sin and salvation on the other thread, either wannawipe...Again, I know simple concepts children can learn in Sunday School really challenge you, but I am here to help!

Whoa, armchair psychology by the renassaince man, Mr. blank-FLUCKER.

Unsupported attacks on my relgious convictions, and now psychobabble about my masculinity.

On another thread he is an expert on top secret techniques of the worlds authority agents.

Next we will be giving us all a really great recipe for Egg Nog!

Mm, what a brain-trust. Like I said earlier to RK, the left's representatives here at OW now have a lot less to offer in the way of real intellect.

...

Sorry, Mr. blank-FLUCKER, just from what you have posted about your family dynamic, you seem to be the one with gender role issues.

I tend to follow Christ's admonition in regards to such issues....And yes, perhaps they go against your insecurity, but I can assure you that although you "shun" me, I would never shun anyone based on somekind of self-created "dynamic." People post, if I choose, I respond. To out of hand "shun" someone, especially when that same person enjoys discussing the person in only the 3rd person, is a dynamic worth investigating.

Your attitude is really showing more and more, Mr. lay minister blank-FLUCKER.....I really pray you face the challenges you so far seem to have ignored in your long but less than reflective life.

What? No manly man-insults about grandmothers and used up women?

Contrast Cee's eternally exultant posts with Capon's lecture on shunning, shielding, meanies, and as always..."Johnnie Jeff"...

BA BAWK! :D

Next we will be giving us all a really great recipe for Egg Nog!

Posted by: cee at December 11, 2007 10:13 AM

I have one if anyone's interested... :D

Anyway, you were in my thoughts.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 11, 2007 10:35 AM

Oh course I was, Capon.

In that atmosphere you were inspired to work up fresh ways to imply that your political contrarians are Nazis.

Oh dear, cec....I'm lactose intolerant and it will also just makes me breakout horribly!

Thanks, dear for the offer but I'll stick to my cranberry breezes and wine coolers!

They won't give me the "vapers" during my church service, either! Oh dear me!

Thanks for responding to me, the men just shun me, don't you know!

XO, hearts and arrows!

cee

Love all, be all!

That's wonderful that like minded gentile elites got out of fascist Germany, Mr. blank-FLUCKER.....As a member of their caste you must really relate to them well!

Lord knows you would not associate with the lowly work-a-day Jews who waved good-bye to those "free spirits!" Perhaps one was my great uncle, Isadore!

What a wonderful community you are sheltered in, Mr. lay minister blank-FLUCKER....it seems idyllic!

Pass the egg nog, Graeme my boy!

Cee: "You never addressed the fact that the Speaker Of The House was well informed of theses techniques back in 2002 AND ENFORCED THEM!"

Since those allegations have only now come to light, what is it to have "never" addressed?

You keep making the classic mistake of believing I have embraced the Democrats because they fit my mold of idealism. What is it that is so difficult for the likes of you to understand that for people like me, the current crop of Democrats represent only THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS?

That doesn't seem like such a difficult concept to grasp, but for you, it seems to be an insurmountable idea. This is why I keep referring to your little black and white world.

If Pelosi ever condoned a method of torture that was clearly outlawed in the Geneva Convention...then SHAME ON HER!

Should I now become a full fledged Neocon because of THAT?

And for God's sake, quit invoking McCain into these discussions as if I've made some sort of contradiction by admiring his values.

After all, I don't dislike YOU simply because you are a war supporter!

You see, I dislike YOU because you are a name caller, a taunter, a hypocrite, and seem to derive fiendish pleasure out of doing exactly the things you think "annoy" your ideological opponents the most.

Finally, I am pretty certain that if McCain HAD been elected in 2000, America would be in a MUCH better place than it is today, even if I don't personally agree with everything he does.

Has anyone commented yet that we have a PRESS SECRETARY TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES that admitted to not knowing anything about the Cuban Missile crisis?

I mean after all, That was the one time in our history that we were literally on the brink of nuclear annialation. Why understand THAT?

But hey, why should that surprise anyone? Her boss apparently knew nothing of history either when he took charge, and historical context seems to be nothing but a quaint little notion to be smirked at by this crowd anyway.

Well Mikey, you did not respond to my initial post as such....you, like your leftist friend mental midget, ignored the story that democrats condoned waterboarding in 2002 whilst they now call Bush and those serving under him criminals for using the technique....

Calling the left's ruling class the lesser of two evils seems rather sad, Mike....They are political animals with no intention of protecting the US Constitution or our national security....All of these important issues are only selfish political issues to them as shown numerous times since 9/11.

The only response I got from you and mental midget was, "WWJD," last night!

So, again, I ask....what have the democrats shown in leadership since 9/11 that is in anyway better than what Bush has done?

Did they fight against the continuation of The Iraq War and its subsequent funding in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 or even currently? Do they take any personal political risks (like Bush has done since day 1), to implement their rhetoric?

Did they fight the horrible procedure of waterboarding in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 or are they only saying it is torture now because of political ease? Did they take the personal political risk in 2002 to stop the shredding of The US Constitution and the violation of human rights?

Just two little examples of leadership....not poll driven policy positions, but leadership....

And Mike will say again...."Well they ain't Bush and The Republicans!"

Oh my.

Well Cee, I 'see' you didn't even bother to read my post at 11:55 in light of your 'response' at 12:11. You see Cee....I DID respond to your "initial post".

Typical!

"Calling the left's ruling class the "lesser of two evils" seems rather sad, Mike"

So what would you suggest I do?....Embrace the GREATER of two evils?.....And become a Neocon?

Well Mikey, you did not respond to my initial post as such....

I am referring to December 10, 2007 7:35 PM on the Dec 7: Special Gibson-Goes-Nuclear Edition! thread where mental midget (WDYT) could only ask me, "WWJD."

Your response now would have been a good one last night, although I still question your judgement of the democrat's politically motivated foreign policy.....The neoconservatives have them beat in spades with regard to defending human rights around the world while fulfilling the basic oath in protecting the US Constitution and the lives and welfare of the American people, IMHO.

But viva la difference!

Cee, I love the way you repeatedly chide others for 'not responding to your posts'.....while never really responding to THEIR posts!

By the way...how many patients named "Mike" do you childishly address as "Mikey"?

So that, and the ability that good quality sacred music has to draw in and out the spiritual and to inspire reflection made me naturally think of someone both rooted but with a free spirit. So sorry, if that offends you, although I will not apologize for the reflection.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 11, 2007 10:54 AM

Oh, goodness! I wasn't insulting your friends, Capon.

And yes, we do have something in common. I understand that.

We both have the sensualist in us.

But the differences make a difference. I'm the peasant, barefooted, cooking, tending house, gardening and just like you-- adoring whatever appeals to the eye and the ear and you're the connoisseur ever sensitive to elitist appeal.

We're oil and water, regardless of politics. But thanks very much for thinking of me.

"...because you are a name caller, a taunter, a hypocrite, and seem to derive fiendish pleasure out of doing exactly the things you think "annoy" your ideological opponents the most." (Mike)

You have described one of the above commenters to a "t." Maybe he could again tell us how to hold our pinkies while drinking the beverage?

"One of my recurring fantasies is of a golden-haired, cornflower blue-eyed, substantial Austrian farm girl working in the fields on a warm, sunny afternoon......."

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"Edelweiss" has now been ruined.....forever!

Oh my dear! Why, God why! What will I do now on Friday nights? "Oklahoma!" just does not cut it!

Pass the LACTAID(tm) Irish Cream to your father, Graeme!

Cold green, jerk. I'm Scottish, melanin deprived, fair complexed with all the icy arched eyebrow trimmings and Sharon's the warm peachy golden blue-eyed girl of your dreams.

We both have your number and as usual you don't know squat.

Pass the LACTAID(tm) Irish Cream to your father, Graeme!

Posted by: cee at December 11, 2007 2:22 PM

Does that stuff work, Cee? I can't imagine a world without Stilton.

A most disturbing story from Iran, which shows some signs of taking on the characteristics of a radical Islamic state:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article3241942.ece

The commenter certainly meant Iraq. How long were these militant groups going to withstand Saddam's more lax attitude towards women's dress and Western influences, for example allowing women to be educated?

Somehow a sullen and mean Eva Braun does nothing for me.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 11, 2007 2:31 PM

You're like her in that you are selective in whom you treat as a "real person".

For Stilton, I would take about 6 regular strength caplets just before your first bite....

If I tell you more I'll have to bill ya!

I'm more of a Affidelice "man" (if I can use the term, Mr. blank-FLUCKER?), myself.

For Stilton, I would take about 6 regular strength caplets just before your first bite....

If I tell you more I'll have to bill ya!

I'm more of a Affidelice "man" (if I can use the term, Mr. blank-FLUCKER?), myself.

Posted by: cee at December 11, 2007 2:40 PM

Six! Would there be any room left for cheese? :D

Oh boy....I am a Medicare fraud and a osteopath, you know, cec (according to Mr. blank-FLUCKER)....can you afford me?

Oh yes....there would be lots of room for the Stilton, and even some warm crusty bread with sweet butter....mmm, mmm.

I am talking the generic caplets (they're small).....The name brand LACTAID comes in extra strength and are even smaller....2 would do the trick but the cost is higher....

The bill will be forthcoming.

The bill will be forthcoming.

Posted by: cee at December 11, 2007 3:02 PM

I'll pay it in bread and butter. :D

Wasted thinks Capon is a castrated chicken. Ha! His opinion is even worse than yours and Grammie's. Who was it that came up with the cartoon character name?

Posted by: Sharon at December 10, 2007 11:59 PM

WTF do you think a Capon is, smartypants?

>>>>"You motives are obvious. They were to post what you wouldn't have posted under your own name."

Don't speak for me, fake Christian. You know less about my motives than you do about the proper Christian way to treat others.

>>>>"That has happened rather often here and you banked on the fact that you wouldn't be called out for it. That's why you're busily impugned me and everyone else after you've been outed."

Again, dummy, I was fully aware that J$ can and does trace IPs at the drop of a hat for those of you that still kiss his ass. Again, you know not of what you speak.

>>>>"In the process of pretending to be someone else, you've proved yourself as bad, if not worse than the other man (who may be another pretender just as you are) who posts under the name of Phony Soldier."

That's your opinion. I also noticed that you've never denigrated him or his words out here. Great values, hypocrite.

>>>>"We see you precisely outed and exposed as the sort of man you are. Congratulations, creep."

Ya, you're right. I could NEVER get a girl like YOU!!! lol.

CREEP??
Who taught you how to insult someone, Jan Brady?

How about one of those hilarious, Christian-friendly nicknames, like Capon?
Hypocrite

"That's your opinion. I also noticed that you've never denigrated him or his words out here. Great values, hypocrite."

But you did not seem to notice that Grammie did. I never saw you come to her aid when she was bombarded with elderly jokes. You know about IP's don't you? Keeping the t r a f f i c s a f e?

Ya, you're right. I could NEVER get a girl like YOU!!! lol.

CREEP??
Who taught you how to insult someone, Jan Brady?

How about one of those hilarious, Christian-friendly nicknames, like Capon?
Hypocrite

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 11, 2007 10:19 PM

Someone needs to call you a wahhhhhbulance...

"Calling the left's ruling class the "lesser of two evils" seems rather sad, Mike"

So what would you suggest I do?....Embrace the GREATER of two evils?.....And become a Neocon?

Posted by: Mike at December 11, 2007 12:20 PM

Your satement is very true. I like your honesty.

"Calling the left's ruling class the "lesser of two evils" seems rather sad, Mike"

So what would you suggest I do?....Embrace the GREATER of two evils?.....And become a Neocon?

Posted by: Mike at December 11, 2007 12:20 PM

Your satement is very true. I like your honesty.

A real detector of the CRAP from the right wing sicko's

A real detector of the CRAP from the right wing sicko's