"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertions, repeat slogans — anything except reason." THOMAS SOWELL

I think this discribes Keith and his fans perfectly.

He's the General who made Olby grin,
And a fave on The Hour of Spin.
Now he's backing the surge,
That makes him Olby's scourge.
No surprise: tonight Keith isn't in!

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Woah dude! You got some mad skillzz, YO!
Hit me up zome more!

Factor: "I think this discribes Keith and his fans perfectly."

It also describes YOU perfectly as well Factor!

After all, you're personally famous for calling other posters "cowards", "liars", "traitors", etc., etc., ...... while simultaineously stereotyping them in a negative manner......on this very discussion blog

"It also describes YOU perfectly as well Factor!"

That's a helluva defense there.

Judge: "Counselor, how does your client Keith Olbermann plead?"

"Your honor, well, yes my client, Mr. Olbermann, is guilty as hell; but what about that guy over there!!!"

Case closed.

"Your honor, well yes my client, Mr. Olbermann, is guilty as hell; but what about that guy over there?"

But was "that guy over there" the one who was hypocritically accusing Olbermann's "fans" of doing exactly the same thing he does every day himself?

Case really closed!

"Ron Paul appeared on "Meet the Press" over the weekend, and gave voice to a sentiment scarcely heard in American politics. He claimed that the Civil War was unnecessary, and that Lincoln "never should have gone to war" to stop slavery. A better approach would have been for the federal government to simply purchase freedom for all of the slaves in the country."

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/26/ron-paul-war/

Ron Paul makes something... but sense... methinks not.

The moonbats argument is this:
Bush is bad and global warming exists
No sense, no reason
Just "Get Bush for treason!"
Their liberal education worth piss

"But amid all the tumult and the threatening and the name-calling, I have yet to see serious refutations of either the facts or the conclusions in these Comments."

Keith Olbermann from TRUTH AND CONSEQUENCES

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Ok....an easy one to start.....

The very same Keith Olbermann, 5/24/07....in a SPECIAL COMMENT....

"And where are the Democratic presidential hopefuls this evening?

"See they not, that to which the Senate and House leadership has blinded itself?

"Judging these candidates based on how they voted on the original Iraq authorization, or waiting for apologies for those votes, is ancient history now.

"The Democratic nomination is likely to be decided... tomorrow.

"The talk of practical politics, the buying into of the President’s dishonest construction 'fund-the-troops-or-they-will-be-in-jeopardy,' the promise of tougher action in September, is falling not on deaf ears, but rather falling on Americans who already told you what to do, and now perceive your ears as closed to practical politics.

"Those who seek the Democratic nomination need to—for their own political futures and, with a thousand times more solemnity and importance, for the individual futures of our troops—denounce this betrayal, vote against it, and, if need be, unseat Majority Leader Reid and Speaker Pelosi if they continue down this path of guilty, fatal acquiescence to the tragically misguided will of a monomaniacal president."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18831132/

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This brave prediction DID NOT come to pass...the actual OPPOSITE has come to pass and yet Mr. Olbermann lies and claims there have been no refutations of his conclusions......

The Democratic Party candidates for President have been mum on Iraq for months now....even missing an important vote on funding the war THROUGH 9/08!

Bush has his funding and the candidates DID NOTHING even symbolically, to stop it!

And there seems to be no need to even bring up the war.....Why?.....Because the policy implemented early 2007 has been working AND the American people, in poll after poll, no longer put Iraq as a leading issue.....I wonder if Olbermann will write a Special Comment about that?

Oh me oh my....does anyone else want to do the easy job of showing Olbermann's SPECIAL COMMENTS are lies, hypochondriacal jibberish and/or off target "no better than psychic hotline" predictions made by a hopeless partisan hack?

I'm so sorry about your godson's injury. I thank God that he will recover and I pray for God to be with him every step of the way.

I suppose this is a wake-up call that can only be appropriately heeded by devoting your time and energy to those things you find more worthy.

So long, A N O N Y M O U S, I wish you all the best.

Regardless of what your brave godson suffered and will face over many months of recovery, you show even more arrogance and elitism during the Christmas season, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle).

I have not posted on this site for near a week now and today I return and review what has been posted....some nice sentiment and humor....especially from the graceful and kind ladies: Sharon, Cecelia and Grammie....

Oh but there is the OW troll, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle), ready to comment on the subjects of posts....the same "man" who plays the teaser to royal king for no other reason than him trying to display the false sense of superiority he has tried to maintain these last few months.....

Oh dear, Mr. blank-FLUCKER.....did you not get your testicles out of their lock box this last week?.....Did Ms. blank-FLUCKER (cue 'Cause I'm a Woman, W-O-M-A-N) make you wash all the Royal Doulton after Christmas Dinner?

Your 10:34AM post is pathological....Not only do you use your family tragedy to try to, once again, selfishly instill somekind of sainthood upon yourself, you also show your stupidity in cursing the behavior for which this site is designed for.....

Analysis of the political machinations of one Keith Olbermann.....

Going off on tangents is fine, the great site overseers are wonderful in allowing us all to kvetch.....but to say what was said at 10:34?......Oh my.....

I have not posted for near 7 days now because I was concentrating on other things during this wonderous and worship-filled season, but that does not in anyway reflect on those who have continued posting....whether it has been about Olbermann, Christmas cheer or Mr. blank-FLUCKER's (cue OLD SPICE jingle) silliness....All I do know is that the same "man" only posts 15 minutes after me and claims the elite post of judge and "holy one."

I hope there are other normal people around your godson to nurse him back to full health, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle). I will be praying for him and his family.....and for you.....for you to finally realize your arrogance, self-importance and absolute vapid thought process, as displayed here at OW.

Anon- best wishes on your loved one's recovery.

I'll give you a pass on your chastising of what we do here day-in-and-day-out in light of your tragedy. The rest of us did not have a "put things in perspective" moment this week.

Merry Christmas

I am really glad you see a silver lining on your tragedy... you were blessed this christmas season, even if it came with such anguish. God bless.

PS- Are you going back to Ireland

for you (Mrs. Philby) to finally realize your arrogance, self-importance and absolute vapid thought process, as displayed here at OW.

Posted by: cee at December 27, 2007 10:59 AM

Agreed.

didn't this happen before, where someone made up a sad tragic story and hijacked someone else's name. Are you the real A N O N Y M O U S ?

Not only do you use your family tragedy to try to, once again, selfishly instill somekind of sainthood upon yourself, you also show your stupidity in cursing the behavior for which this site is designed for.....
Posted by: cee at December 27, 2007 10:59 AM

Before you pick on "blank Flucker"---I seem to remember "graceful and kind " Cecelia bringing up (for the first time), her "MILITARY" "daughter" & "son-in-law" when she was badly losing some war arguement....and her "I was happily supported by a sugar daddy now husband" diatribe in defending Ms. Tur was downright ridiculous.

Anon @ 12:29PM.....

In the context of judging the posts of others on OLERMANN WATCH as mundane crap, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) has created a new arrogance category for himself.

Going off on tangents is a common problem here....and a usually interesting one that strikes us all....but in addition to this fault, this guy takes great pride in presenting himself as superior and above the rabble when it comes to all topics.....

Cecelia is anything but that....she reflects genuineness......

Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) is as genuine as the overused $3 bill.

"This joker is so insulated that he doesn't even recognize himself when he is describing someone else."

This statement describes the poster sometimes known as "why" to a T!

Read my post just 15 minutes prior to the post by Mr. blank-FLUCKER, mental midget.....context tells all.....

I have not posted here in a week, mental midget....and yes, I read your lovely posts just before Christmas filled with such fear and loathing.....doing the typical leftist fear mongering equating American Evangelicals to The Taliban....

I post ONE post about the subject of this site....KEITH OLBERMANN and Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) says amonst other things.....

"I marvel at the energy spent to denigrate a mediocre, insignificant television personality who, as best I can tell, speaks for no one but himself."

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To marvel at the energy spent (very little BTW) at this site on the mundane would include the poster's taunting of various people he considers less than human or what you do, mental midget.....post the latest DNC attack points that have done nothing substantive since 2006.....

If I have come across as arrogant, I draw upon the grace that is the consequence of Christ's birth (and what we celebrate this season) and ask for your forgiveness.

Otherwise, I think I have been very cordial and patient with most until the knives are drawn at me for expressing my sincerely held beliefs.....You know....being a Christian Taliban theocrat ready to send my wife down into the cellar to can and churn butter!

happened exactly 3 minutes after Pastor DUMBFUCK's!

Johnny BU$HWIPE! Bovine! IP search on the double!

Anybody think KO will rush to his show tonight with a "Special comment"on how the assignation in Pakistan is all Bush's fault and not the Terrorist?

I'm sure he and the rest of the MSNBC "Talent" are getting their Bush bashing/excuse Terrorist talking points from Clinton's Media Matters right now.

RK came to Xmas dinner at Momma's the other day. His date wore a fancie dress and hi heels.
I think she was a goat, but I'm not shure. She did eat the can that the cranberrie soss came in.

Posted by: Kip at December 27, 2007 10:30 AM

One thing is for sure. No need to do an ip search on this post. It's a no brainer.

Hey wannawipe....how is praying that someone grow as a person debase them?....Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) has displayed today a tendency to judge the concerns of others only in the context of his own tragedy....An arrogant (check), self-important (check) and intellectually dull (check...a synonym for vapid) behavior.....

I would actually pray the same thing for myself....being humble, more giving and more highly attuned to the needs of others is not a natural thing for people (and I am a person) and going to the throne of grace for such need is a good thing.

Oh, and I have no enemies in the personal, "relationship" sense you describe, wannawipe....I have never claimed to have. That is another difficult concept (along with faith) nonbelievers like you do not understand and what gets you into trouble regarding sin and salvation. You immedietely think I hate someone (an enemy) because I identify sin....I am in the same boat and actually a sinner and a friend to all other sinners, as is Christ, the only non-sinning person to have ever lived ....that is what He preached in regards to the second greatest commandment in treating others better than yourself.....just like Christ did by accepting the condemnation of sin on the cross in place of others.

Yes....the first and greatest commandment, The Shema....we have discussed before.....the vertical relationship restored.....and now, the second greatest commandment....the horizontal relationship is restored....

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify and correct your error, wannawipe!

Before you pick on "blank Flucker"---I seem to remember "graceful and kind " Cecelia bringing up (for the first time), her "MILITARY" "daughter" & "son-in-law" when she was badly losing some war arguement....and her "I was happily supported by a sugar daddy now husband" diatribe in defending Ms. Tur was downright ridiculous.

Posted by: at December 27, 2007 12:29 PM

Actually, I brought up my daughter and son-in-law after repeatedly told that I had nothing to lose by supporting the war, but thanks for your concern... :D

Even with RK's ass kissing, mind numbing, stupidity and Cecilia's arrogance ( except during this holiday) there isn't a more despicable poster at this site than the self- annointed saintly ( ungodly) one.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 27, 2007 12:39 PM

Well, phooey, WDYT! Maybe I can take top spot in the new year... :D

Sorry Cecelia...
You need to be more caustic with your words. "Phooey" does not move the needle in the world of 'despicable posters'.

Sorry Cec.....You're Miss Congeniality once again!

Its funny but you forget how hard Phoney soldier has worked the past 6 months for that label. Him and Olliely are certainly the frontrunners.

I certainly think you're up to it.
Good luck with that !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 27, 2007 2:07 PM

Thanks! I hope you'll continue to provide me with rich material... :D

Sorry you see it only from that perspective, wannawipe....Especially while the kindly Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) has continued to fulfill his promise not to directly address me, even while addressing subjects I have brought up.

My concluding paragraph in the post is a sincere hope....Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) seems to have fallen into the comfort of upper-middle class American traditionalist religiosity that concludes good works and good living go hand in hand as a blessing....this is not what Christ preached...

His was carrying a cross....being ridiculed,.....feeling unwanted and uncomfortable in the conventional society and having people react very hatefully and strongly to the truth.

Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) had an agenda with his post, I identified it, accurately, and expressed hope he would see the error of his chosen direction.

As a physician, I see, and have fallen victim to it all too often as well, allowing a horrible personal tragedy cause selfishness and self-centeredness.

It is an easy trap and I pray Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) realizes it.

Hot off the press! Olbermann's acknowledgments in his new book Truth & Consequences:
John Dean, Joe and Valerie Wilson, the Clinton Family, Al Gore, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Dennis Kucinich, Crooks & Liars, Daily Kos.

-----And now something for the fangirls to cry over (verbatim from the book):

"And last and foremost, Katy Tur, who managed the seemingly mutually exclusive roles of girlfriend and editor ("I love it. Too long"). My eternal thanks, Bear."

Come on now, poster @ 2:36 PM....there have been assasinations, dropping stock markets, rising oil prices and tiger attacks in the world.....

You actually want to talk about Keith Olbermann here at OLBERMANN WATCH?.....

That acknowledgments list.....what a collection of characters and losers.....The man has no shame.

Hot off the press! Olbermann's acknowledgments in his new book Truth & Consequences:
John Dean, Joe and Valerie Wilson, the Clinton Family, Al Gore, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Dennis Kucinich, Crooks & Liars, Daily Kos.

-----And now something for the fangirls to cry over (verbatim from the book):

"And last and foremost, Katy Tur, who managed the seemingly mutually exclusive roles of girlfriend and editor ("I love it. Too long"). My eternal thanks, Bear."

Posted by: Keith Olbermann is called "Bear" by the 20 something.. at December 27, 2007 2:36 PM

hmmmm... Carl Bernstein and Craig Crawford must have deviated from Olberdoxy at some point this year...

I read:
Bear - oversized and hairy!

Shamelessly too funny.

"I love it. Too long" obviously her biased opinion of his book and not package.

...And prone to long hibernations when the seasons turn sour. (like now or during clinton's impeachment)

sorry folks, I only gave a partial list (yes, Cecelia, surprise surprise, you were correct, Craig Crawford DID make the list):

Elizabeth Edwards
high school teachers: Walter Schneller & Peter Gibbon
Countdown staff; 11 + David Shuster, Monica Novotny, Craig Crawford, Roger Cressey, Lawrance O'Donnell, Richard Wolfe.
MS-NBC management: Jeff Zucker, Phil Griffin, Steve Capus, Bill Wolf, Cheryl Gould, Dan Abrams, Neal Shapiro
NBC: Brian Williams, Andrea Mitchell, Mike Boettcher
Agent: Jean Saye, literary agent: Esther Newberg
FRIENDS (he actually says my friends): Richard Lewis, Jeff Wald, Dan Patrick, Jason Bateman, Aaron Sorkin and the late Hal Fishman.

------The folks not listed: his parents, Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman and the numerous fawning reporters who constantly gave him glowing reviews/press coverage.

I repeat the last acknowlegment to remind all of Ms. Tur's unsung skill, book editor:

"And last and foremost, Katy Tur, who managed the seemingly mutually exclusive roles of girlfriend and editor ("I love it. Too long"). My eternal thanks, Bear."

bensen you are too funny---great comments!

BTW: Dana Milbank was not acknowldged as well---perhaps he and Fineman have been a little to hard on Miss Hillary/Billary lately...

Olbermann Back To Countdown Tonight

Keith Olbermann will be cutting his vacation short to cover the assassination of Benazir Bhutto as he returns tonight to anchor Countdown.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/

Where are the republicans? I thought he was non-denominational. Actually- where are the moderate democrats?

I can't stand that he is friends with Jason Bateman!

Here is a dog that won't bark tonight.

http://www.cmpa.com/releases.html

Non-partisan media watchdog group (ie not Media Matters or News Busters) rates Fox News as most fair and balanced to Presidential canidates.

Aaaaah, the fangirls have already calculated that because Olbermann says "girlfriend" they must be close to making the "announcement"---

by joanie004 on Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:05 pm
I had ordered from BN but it hadn't been sent yet, so I ran to the neighborhood BN and bought one.

The acknowledgment is priceless.I'm glad he has Katy to share this success with.

by CapitalL on Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:27 am
I just bought T & C from Borders. The acknowledgement to Katy is sweet.

by Marie on Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:42 am
Me, too. And now I'm really intrigued!

-Marie-
by CapitalL on Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:56 pm
And last and foremost, Katy Tur, who managed the seemingly mutually exclusive roles as girlfriend and editor ("I love it. Too long"). My eternal thanks, Bear.

Marie, so you won't die of anticipation. It seemed that you might have anticipated something more, so I figured you ought to know before the intrigue built up much further. He refers to her only as his "girlfriend" a few other times in the book. The references are unusual, though. As far as I've seen, celebrities very seldom refer to a girlfriend or a boyfriend in interviews or in print. I think I heard once that it's a general rule - only talk about a love interest if you're married. Makes me wonder if something more serious might have been anticipated soon after the release of the book (perhaps an announcement after the winter break?). Either that, or he left the toilet seat up one too many times.

http://keitholbermann.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=14190&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15

hey Katy Turic, give us a limerick about your cute nickname for Keify...

DON'T WORRY!
I'm sure the crazy islamists are only as powerful as we make them appear. Its not a real threat yet. Lets wait until they seize control of Pakistans nukes until we face reality. I hope I'm not fear mongering....

>FRIENDS (he actually says my friends): Richard Lewis, Jeff Wald, Dan Patrick, Jason Bateman, Aaron Sorkin and the late Hal Fishman.

Does this guy only have "famous" friends---how lonely and pathetic.

Olbermann Back To Countdown Tonight

Keith Olbermann will be cutting his vacation short to cover the assassination of Benazir Bhutto as he returns tonight to anchor Countdown.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/

Posted by: lucky us, Olbermann back to pretend he's a newsman at December 27, 2007 3:04 PM

MY HERO
I can't wait for the righteous indignation. Who will he blame? Who could it be? hmmm the crazies?? Nah it will all come back to Bush. maybe a fresh call to resign..

I am wondering how he will spin this tragedy to indict the Bush administration. Another Rove plot?

Hey Benson....for Olberman's spin, choose any comment at his fav, Crooks & Liars....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/27/breaking-benazir-bhutto-assassinated-in-pakistan

Like....

"Musharraf will hold onto power at all costs… if he didn’t do this one of his proxies did… and the silence from Bush will be deafening…"

or

"Right now, Bush is in a national security meeting to decide how to handle the situation. But first, they have to explain to him who Bhutto is. And where Pakistan is."

or

"We need competent grown-ups running our government right now and instead we have Darth Cheney and Monkey-Boy. Pakistan has nukes and Bin Laden’s friends run the security services and a large part of the country. Happy F*cking New Year everyone!"

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Mmm, just the usual fear and wringing of hands at the typical blue nutroots.....

Olbermann will oblige them.

I wonder what method of diplomacy towards Musharaf that the loons would endorse.

Most pundits agree that marshal law NOW would be a good thing now. Yet the liberals see this as suppression endorsed by Bush. Its called "curbing Islamic Facists in a time of anarchy"

These lefties live in a vaccuum. Thank god they aren't in power here!

I am wondering how he will spin this tragedy to indict the Bush administration. Another Rove plot?

Posted by: benson at December 27, 2007 3:48 PM

He'll do it with the standard insightful and pragmatic sort of thinking that typifies the far left. He'll ask why we threw one thug out (Saddam) and yet support another "thug" (Musaref) while simultaneously venturing that Pakistan will be a casualty of our fomenting Islamic hatred.

Meanwhile, he'll mention nothing about the House of Saud, "the Clinton household", and the Clinton Library.

sorry folks, I only gave a partial list (yes, Cecelia, surprise surprise, you were correct, Craig Crawford DID make the list):

Posted by: Keith Olbermann is called "Bear" at December 27, 2007 2:59 PM

Apology accepted. I, for one, forgive you... :D

Diplomatic efforts, even if they were genuine, were not well-formulated nor well-executed. That has been characteristic, of course, of an Administration in which ham-handedness has always been prefereable to meaningful, forceful discussion, strutting always preferable to moving ahead with grit and determination. The time for diplomatic efforts may well have passed. I suspect we are in bed with Musharraf and the third member of our menage, martial law. Choices seem limited.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 27, 2007 4:38 PM

Well, you might consider that choices are limited because they must limited. There is the distinct possibility that the democratic Bhutto was assassinated by the same Islamic fundamentalists who wish to oust Musarraf as well.

Perhaps one man's "in bed with" is another's man's diplomacy that takes pragmatic, concentrated, and slow effort. Armchair quarterbacking, not withstanding...

Somehow this asshole thinks its NOT arrogant, self-important, and vapid behavior to judge someone who just had a personal tragedy.

Posted by: w at December 27, 2007 5:10 PM

Actually, that's probably the best time to judge someone's character.

Particularly when you're judging a person who has no difficulty with using a dire personal tragedy as a means to chastise strangers on an internet blogboard.

the speculation continues....

by Marie on Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:36 pm

Thanks for relieving my curiosity. That's almost a dedication, isn't it?

This marks two years together. He's so proud of her (to have found her, I mean). She was in the little bookstore fantasy he did on Countdown when Deathly Hallows came out. And before that she "appeared" on Dan Patrick's radio show with him for just a few minutes.

Regarding your suspicions about something Important-with-a-capital-I coming up, I'm sort of hoping that's why Aaron Barnhart's article was pushed back to the 28th. C'mon, Katy, get off the fence!

-Marie-

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Bear!?! Why in the world would you want everyone to know your pet name from your girlfriend. This is not normal. No wonder they kicked his ass of ESPN, what a serious pussy.

McCool:

"DON'T WORRY!

I'm sure the crazy Islamists are only as powerful as we make them appear."

Hold on just a minute there sport!

Obviously, with that statement, you are mocking me and others like me, but what you forget is that people like myself are the ones who have been pointing to Pakistan all along as ground zero for the REAL threat from Islamic Extremists, while you and yours have been flailing around about Iran and Iraq.

This situation is all the more threatening because we have been flailing away in Iraq at the WRONG enemy for 6 years now...in the process, overextending and weakening our military...which has lost much of it's ability to respond to emergencies, mainly because of Iraq, which has ALWAYS been completely beside the point.

oldie but goodie, a mention for OW back in the day....

"...The popular Olbermann Watch Web site, which keeps tabs on the bombastic blabber, is also skeptical. "There's no way [he'll] get $4 million . . . but by asking for that, when the network counteroffers in the $1.5 million range, he'll take it and the network will think it won," said blogger Fred Bear...."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12192006/gossip/pagesix/keith_faces_salary_shock_pagesix_.htm

Benson: "I am wondering how he is going to spin this tragedy to indict the Bush Administration."

EARTH TO BENSON: He has already 'indicted' the Bush administration...for good reason!

What is happening right now in Pakistan only validates what the left has been saying for years.

Lord, I wish we had a leader in Washington right now!

Olbermann leaning a new (old?) trick:

scroll down to find this line and click on HUYA!?:

But HUYA!? Or in this case HUOA! (Head Up Olbermann's Ass, which I think is pronounced ‘Hu-oooooh-ahhhh!)

http://www.banditobooks.com/ezine/2007/sep/archives/volume-1-number-1/keith-olbermanns-blurt

This situation is all the more threatening because we have been flailing away in Iraq at the WRONG enemy for 6 years now...in the process, overextending and weakening our military...which has lost much of it's ability to respond to emergencies, mainly because of Iraq, which has ALWAYS been completely beside the point.

Posted by: Mike at December 27, 2007 7:11 PM

Wait a minute. Pakistan didn't attack us, did they? Isn't that your argument AGAINST us "invading and occupying" Iraq? Uh oh...

"Wait a minute. Pakistan didn't attack us, did they? Isn't that your argument AGAINST us "invading and occupying" Iraq? Uh oh..."

You really don't even realize what a simpleton you are, do you?

Olbermann scheduled to emerge from the bathtub tonight -- to blame the whole Bhutto thing on Bush.

Does Hillary know that Olby is cheating on her with Christopher Dodd? Oh, the Orange One will pay for this slight against the Clinton mafia.

Does Hillary know that Olby is cheating on her with Christopher Dodd? Oh, the Orange One will pay for this slight against the Clinton mafia.

"Wait a minute. Pakistan didn't attack us, did they? Isn't that your argument AGAINST us "invading and occupying" Iraq? Uh oh..."

You really don't even realize what a simpleton you are, do you?

Posted by: Mike at December 27, 2007 7:34 PM

Silenced with 'simplicity.' Uh oh.

"The Orange One will pay for this slight against the Clinton mafia."

He'll be alright ..all he has to do is slip Bubba another check(on or off air)and all will be forgiven.

Mike now wants an invasion of Pakistan? LOL He is a hawk on Monday morning when it counts. Do us all a favor and keep you opinions to yourself. Bhutto new what she was in for, and she sacrificed herself for her country. Pakistan has been a disaster for years, and won't be fixed in a day. You can thank the British for that. You and your Bush derangement syndrome need not apply.

You really don't even realize what a simpleton you are, do you?

Posted by: Mike at December 27, 2007 7:34 PM

Holy shit, is Mike still posting on this board after getting his ass handed to him multiple times by Cee, Cecilia, Janet, Brandon and many others? In the history of this site, has Mike ever posted anything that was worth a shit?

I'm not beating the war drums, and I don't think Mike is, either, but a far, far better case can be made for occupation of Pakistan (or Saudi Arabia, Syria or Iran, for that matter) than was ever made or could ever have been made for Iraq. You're not particularly dumb. I am sure you know that as well. Mike simply has the objectivity and intellectual integrity to admit it.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 27, 2007 11:07 PM

You are missing a key point. Pakistan is not lead by an anti-American zelot who has invaded countries, used WMD's, and shot missles at allies of the US. Musharraf is no George Washington but he is no Sadam either.

Mike now wants an invasion of Pakistan? LOL He is a hawk on Monday morning when it counts. Do us all a favor and keep you opinions to yourself. Bhutto new what she was in for, and she sacrificed herself for her country. Pakistan has been a disaster for years, and won't be fixed in a day. You can thank the British for that. You and your Bush derangement syndrome need not apply.

Posted by: The Factor at December 27, 2007 11:00 PM

Thanks Factor. Monday Morning Quarterback was the exact phrase i was going to use. Apparently Mike is frustrated because he can't go back in time or is it that oh my god, there is more than one problem at a time in this world. I can't stick my head in the sand anymore! The RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM! A large minority refuses to modernize and evolve past the 8th Century and the majority are cowards or complicit. Some in this country refuse to wake up and take this threat seriously. Mike we do need REAL leaders in Congress and the White House, ones who will look at the oustide world honestly for what it is. Unfortunately much of it is still dark and backwards. We need to stay engaged and also become energy self sufficient. This means drilling more locally and more refineries, more nuke energy, and a Manhattan type project to work on future clean energy that we can share with the world. These assholes need to be starved into submission until THEY adapt to the rest of the world

I listened to the Gibson clip on J$ site and it was disgusting to hear the left wing blogs blame Bush and Fox News for this. The last thing we need is goofy conspiracy theories about oil and Rupert Murdoch. No one has any good answers to Pakistan and anyone who says they do is just fooling themselves

Mike simply has the objectivity and intellectual integrity to admit it.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 27, 2007 11:07 PM

"Wait a minute. Pakistan didn't attack us, did they? Isn't that your argument AGAINST us "invading and occupying" Iraq? Uh oh..."

You really don't even realize what a simpleton you are, do you?

Posted by: Mike at December 27, 2007 7:34 PM

Silenced with 'simplicity.' Uh oh.

His live-in ho calls him a "Bear"
There's no less anyone could care
Like Keith's insurrection
Or his non-erection
Keith's body is shaped like a pear

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Something to consider

The theoretical basis for our continued occupation has nothing to do with good-bad. Bush implicitly surrendered once all of his arguments for invasion and occupation, 9/11 complicity, WMD's, central front, bad Saddam, were discarded and now simply says we stay because things get even worse if we leave. He has a point, but is that any basis for a sound foreign policy, before-the- fact? I think not.

The whole region is the problem, its medieval in many places. If you look at the map, our military is on the borders of Iran (twice), Syria, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, ALL of the countries you mentioned AND we got rid of two of the craziest regimes in the region. Perhaps people in this administration aren't as short sighted as the left likes to believe with the Bush misspeak soundbites. Maybe we are positioned EXACTLY where we need to be at this moment in time, engaging the problem areas. This is going to be a generational war, hopefully non nuclear. We have become accustomed to short term solutions and instantaneous gratification. The crazies over there don't live in that little box. And we don't have a time machine to go back and kill Saddam in the crib, or make Jimmy Carter have a more enlightened policy with Iran or make the British after WWI partition in a more reasonable manner. The best we can do is deal with today's problems and hope we are considering tomorrows so we can avoid the worst ones.

Wax beans are worse than green beans, but the store stocks both.

Thats the best post I've seen you put up

Anon says, "The Saudis who, if not as a nation, as a people, played the key role in 9/11 and are the key financers for Al Qaeda."

-Do your research. Saudi nationals were picked by Osama to give naysayers like you this talking point. It was intentional to drive a wedge between our alliance with the Saudi ruling class. And the left continues to chirp his message.

Anon says, "The Syrians who have a well-defined and effective foreign policy of destabalizing the Middle East.

-Syria's influence on the middles east is largely funded and manipulated by the Iranians. Without Iran, Syria could easily be quelled by Israel. So I'll defer this explanation to the next quote.

Anon says, "The Iranians who have a well-defined but less effective, so far, foreign policy of provoking the powers into conflict and who may well be developing nuclear capabilities."

-Sorry, but they ARE developing nuclear capabilities. And nuclear weapons aren't far behind. And with the current leadership they are a huge threat. Fortunately, many experts think that a revolution could occur in the next decade that could change their desptic nature.

Anon says, "The Pakistanis who already have nuclear capabilities and who seem to have a proclivity to threatening people with them, if not actually using them, and who have tremendous animosity against the US. Moreover, the Pakistanis appear to be sheltering the Saudi culprit of 9/11."

-Ah, the usual democratic approach to our national affairs. You can state the problem, but disagree with any urrent policy. Our alliance with Musharaf has been integral to the war on terror. No? And today that bond remains, despite the chaos within their borders. The people of Pakistan hated us in October of 2001. They hate us now. Does that make us a nuclear target if Musharaf is replaced?

India has manged to stave of full war with Pakistan for decades despite sharing a border and equal amounts of hate.

I know that you are just trying to chastise our presence in Iraq, by comparing our relationships with other volatile countries in the region. But each is different. Each country has a different dynamic between three facets - their leadership, their population and their relationships with the US. So it isn't as simple as you pretend.

Fact is, IF (I know if) we can continue to grind Iraq into a country where we are welcome, the middle east will improve. But the climate in the region changes every day. And it has been that way for centuries.

Mike- answe me this-
"What is happening right now in Pakistan only validates what the left has been saying for years."

What has the left been saying for years? In light of your 'grand' i told you so moment... I suspect "what the left has been saying for years" contains the entire solution to the middle east problem.

I love when an assanination in Pakistan validates your entire middle east policy. Would the assasination of Ahmadinejad validate Bush's policy? You people are absurd.

Mika on MSNBC doid a nice hack job of blaming Bush for the destabalization in Paksitan. Joe Scarborough put her in her place. Can you argue with his point?

SCARBOROUGH: You can't blame George W. Bush for what happened yesterday! Pakistan was destabilized in 1997 when they gained nuclear weapons; they had a military coup in 1999 [both events occuring during the Clinton admin]. I mean this country has been unstable for years. ... .... whether they like us at the United Nations and whether they like us in France, and whether they respect us in Turkey right now because there has been seven years without an attack on American soil.

Excellent posts Benson....I would also add that the left's lie that Saddam Hussein was not a destabalizing force in the middle east shows at worst ignorance, at best a cynical attempt to ignore history.

He was a major supporter of Hezbollah and a major contributor to terrorism against Israel. His past actions supported the view that he was intent of continuing aiding miltant islamists against democracies in the region and perhaps in the world.

In regards to the rising power of the Shi