"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertions, repeat slogans — anything except reason." THOMAS SOWELL

I think this discribes Keith and his fans perfectly.

He's the General who made Olby grin,
And a fave on The Hour of Spin.
Now he's backing the surge,
That makes him Olby's scourge.
No surprise: tonight Keith isn't in!

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Woah dude! You got some mad skillzz, YO!
Hit me up zome more!

Factor: "I think this discribes Keith and his fans perfectly."

It also describes YOU perfectly as well Factor!

After all, you're personally famous for calling other posters "cowards", "liars", "traitors", etc., etc., ...... while simultaineously stereotyping them in a negative manner......on this very discussion blog

"It also describes YOU perfectly as well Factor!"

That's a helluva defense there.

Judge: "Counselor, how does your client Keith Olbermann plead?"

"Your honor, well, yes my client, Mr. Olbermann, is guilty as hell; but what about that guy over there!!!"

Case closed.

"Your honor, well yes my client, Mr. Olbermann, is guilty as hell; but what about that guy over there?"

But was "that guy over there" the one who was hypocritically accusing Olbermann's "fans" of doing exactly the same thing he does every day himself?

Case really closed!

"Ron Paul appeared on "Meet the Press" over the weekend, and gave voice to a sentiment scarcely heard in American politics. He claimed that the Civil War was unnecessary, and that Lincoln "never should have gone to war" to stop slavery. A better approach would have been for the federal government to simply purchase freedom for all of the slaves in the country."

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2007/12/26/ron-paul-war/

Ron Paul makes something... but sense... methinks not.

The moonbats argument is this:
Bush is bad and global warming exists
No sense, no reason
Just "Get Bush for treason!"
Their liberal education worth piss

"But amid all the tumult and the threatening and the name-calling, I have yet to see serious refutations of either the facts or the conclusions in these Comments."

Keith Olbermann from TRUTH AND CONSEQUENCES

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Ok....an easy one to start.....

The very same Keith Olbermann, 5/24/07....in a SPECIAL COMMENT....

"And where are the Democratic presidential hopefuls this evening?

"See they not, that to which the Senate and House leadership has blinded itself?

"Judging these candidates based on how they voted on the original Iraq authorization, or waiting for apologies for those votes, is ancient history now.

"The Democratic nomination is likely to be decided... tomorrow.

"The talk of practical politics, the buying into of the President’s dishonest construction 'fund-the-troops-or-they-will-be-in-jeopardy,' the promise of tougher action in September, is falling not on deaf ears, but rather falling on Americans who already told you what to do, and now perceive your ears as closed to practical politics.

"Those who seek the Democratic nomination need to—for their own political futures and, with a thousand times more solemnity and importance, for the individual futures of our troops—denounce this betrayal, vote against it, and, if need be, unseat Majority Leader Reid and Speaker Pelosi if they continue down this path of guilty, fatal acquiescence to the tragically misguided will of a monomaniacal president."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18831132/

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This brave prediction DID NOT come to pass...the actual OPPOSITE has come to pass and yet Mr. Olbermann lies and claims there have been no refutations of his conclusions......

The Democratic Party candidates for President have been mum on Iraq for months now....even missing an important vote on funding the war THROUGH 9/08!

Bush has his funding and the candidates DID NOTHING even symbolically, to stop it!

And there seems to be no need to even bring up the war.....Why?.....Because the policy implemented early 2007 has been working AND the American people, in poll after poll, no longer put Iraq as a leading issue.....I wonder if Olbermann will write a Special Comment about that?

Oh me oh my....does anyone else want to do the easy job of showing Olbermann's SPECIAL COMMENTS are lies, hypochondriacal jibberish and/or off target "no better than psychic hotline" predictions made by a hopeless partisan hack?

I'm so sorry about your godson's injury. I thank God that he will recover and I pray for God to be with him every step of the way.

I suppose this is a wake-up call that can only be appropriately heeded by devoting your time and energy to those things you find more worthy.

So long, A N O N Y M O U S, I wish you all the best.

Regardless of what your brave godson suffered and will face over many months of recovery, you show even more arrogance and elitism during the Christmas season, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle).

I have not posted on this site for near a week now and today I return and review what has been posted....some nice sentiment and humor....especially from the graceful and kind ladies: Sharon, Cecelia and Grammie....

Oh but there is the OW troll, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle), ready to comment on the subjects of posts....the same "man" who plays the teaser to royal king for no other reason than him trying to display the false sense of superiority he has tried to maintain these last few months.....

Oh dear, Mr. blank-FLUCKER.....did you not get your testicles out of their lock box this last week?.....Did Ms. blank-FLUCKER (cue 'Cause I'm a Woman, W-O-M-A-N) make you wash all the Royal Doulton after Christmas Dinner?

Your 10:34AM post is pathological....Not only do you use your family tragedy to try to, once again, selfishly instill somekind of sainthood upon yourself, you also show your stupidity in cursing the behavior for which this site is designed for.....

Analysis of the political machinations of one Keith Olbermann.....

Going off on tangents is fine, the great site overseers are wonderful in allowing us all to kvetch.....but to say what was said at 10:34?......Oh my.....

I have not posted for near 7 days now because I was concentrating on other things during this wonderous and worship-filled season, but that does not in anyway reflect on those who have continued posting....whether it has been about Olbermann, Christmas cheer or Mr. blank-FLUCKER's (cue OLD SPICE jingle) silliness....All I do know is that the same "man" only posts 15 minutes after me and claims the elite post of judge and "holy one."

I hope there are other normal people around your godson to nurse him back to full health, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle). I will be praying for him and his family.....and for you.....for you to finally realize your arrogance, self-importance and absolute vapid thought process, as displayed here at OW.

Anon- best wishes on your loved one's recovery.

I'll give you a pass on your chastising of what we do here day-in-and-day-out in light of your tragedy. The rest of us did not have a "put things in perspective" moment this week.

Merry Christmas

I am really glad you see a silver lining on your tragedy... you were blessed this christmas season, even if it came with such anguish. God bless.

PS- Are you going back to Ireland

for you (Mrs. Philby) to finally realize your arrogance, self-importance and absolute vapid thought process, as displayed here at OW.

Posted by: cee at December 27, 2007 10:59 AM

Agreed.

didn't this happen before, where someone made up a sad tragic story and hijacked someone else's name. Are you the real A N O N Y M O U S ?

Not only do you use your family tragedy to try to, once again, selfishly instill somekind of sainthood upon yourself, you also show your stupidity in cursing the behavior for which this site is designed for.....
Posted by: cee at December 27, 2007 10:59 AM

Before you pick on "blank Flucker"---I seem to remember "graceful and kind " Cecelia bringing up (for the first time), her "MILITARY" "daughter" & "son-in-law" when she was badly losing some war arguement....and her "I was happily supported by a sugar daddy now husband" diatribe in defending Ms. Tur was downright ridiculous.

Anon @ 12:29PM.....

In the context of judging the posts of others on OLERMANN WATCH as mundane crap, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) has created a new arrogance category for himself.

Going off on tangents is a common problem here....and a usually interesting one that strikes us all....but in addition to this fault, this guy takes great pride in presenting himself as superior and above the rabble when it comes to all topics.....

Cecelia is anything but that....she reflects genuineness......

Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) is as genuine as the overused $3 bill.

"This joker is so insulated that he doesn't even recognize himself when he is describing someone else."

This statement describes the poster sometimes known as "why" to a T!

Read my post just 15 minutes prior to the post by Mr. blank-FLUCKER, mental midget.....context tells all.....

I have not posted here in a week, mental midget....and yes, I read your lovely posts just before Christmas filled with such fear and loathing.....doing the typical leftist fear mongering equating American Evangelicals to The Taliban....

I post ONE post about the subject of this site....KEITH OLBERMANN and Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) says amonst other things.....

"I marvel at the energy spent to denigrate a mediocre, insignificant television personality who, as best I can tell, speaks for no one but himself."

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To marvel at the energy spent (very little BTW) at this site on the mundane would include the poster's taunting of various people he considers less than human or what you do, mental midget.....post the latest DNC attack points that have done nothing substantive since 2006.....

If I have come across as arrogant, I draw upon the grace that is the consequence of Christ's birth (and what we celebrate this season) and ask for your forgiveness.

Otherwise, I think I have been very cordial and patient with most until the knives are drawn at me for expressing my sincerely held beliefs.....You know....being a Christian Taliban theocrat ready to send my wife down into the cellar to can and churn butter!

happened exactly 3 minutes after Pastor DUMBFUCK's!

Johnny BU$HWIPE! Bovine! IP search on the double!

Anybody think KO will rush to his show tonight with a "Special comment"on how the assignation in Pakistan is all Bush's fault and not the Terrorist?

I'm sure he and the rest of the MSNBC "Talent" are getting their Bush bashing/excuse Terrorist talking points from Clinton's Media Matters right now.

RK came to Xmas dinner at Momma's the other day. His date wore a fancie dress and hi heels.
I think she was a goat, but I'm not shure. She did eat the can that the cranberrie soss came in.

Posted by: Kip at December 27, 2007 10:30 AM

One thing is for sure. No need to do an ip search on this post. It's a no brainer.

Hey wannawipe....how is praying that someone grow as a person debase them?....Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) has displayed today a tendency to judge the concerns of others only in the context of his own tragedy....An arrogant (check), self-important (check) and intellectually dull (check...a synonym for vapid) behavior.....

I would actually pray the same thing for myself....being humble, more giving and more highly attuned to the needs of others is not a natural thing for people (and I am a person) and going to the throne of grace for such need is a good thing.

Oh, and I have no enemies in the personal, "relationship" sense you describe, wannawipe....I have never claimed to have. That is another difficult concept (along with faith) nonbelievers like you do not understand and what gets you into trouble regarding sin and salvation. You immedietely think I hate someone (an enemy) because I identify sin....I am in the same boat and actually a sinner and a friend to all other sinners, as is Christ, the only non-sinning person to have ever lived ....that is what He preached in regards to the second greatest commandment in treating others better than yourself.....just like Christ did by accepting the condemnation of sin on the cross in place of others.

Yes....the first and greatest commandment, The Shema....we have discussed before.....the vertical relationship restored.....and now, the second greatest commandment....the horizontal relationship is restored....

Thanks for giving me an opportunity to clarify and correct your error, wannawipe!

Before you pick on "blank Flucker"---I seem to remember "graceful and kind " Cecelia bringing up (for the first time), her "MILITARY" "daughter" & "son-in-law" when she was badly losing some war arguement....and her "I was happily supported by a sugar daddy now husband" diatribe in defending Ms. Tur was downright ridiculous.

Posted by: at December 27, 2007 12:29 PM

Actually, I brought up my daughter and son-in-law after repeatedly told that I had nothing to lose by supporting the war, but thanks for your concern... :D

Even with RK's ass kissing, mind numbing, stupidity and Cecilia's arrogance ( except during this holiday) there isn't a more despicable poster at this site than the self- annointed saintly ( ungodly) one.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 27, 2007 12:39 PM

Well, phooey, WDYT! Maybe I can take top spot in the new year... :D

Sorry Cecelia...
You need to be more caustic with your words. "Phooey" does not move the needle in the world of 'despicable posters'.

Sorry Cec.....You're Miss Congeniality once again!

Its funny but you forget how hard Phoney soldier has worked the past 6 months for that label. Him and Olliely are certainly the frontrunners.

I certainly think you're up to it.
Good luck with that !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 27, 2007 2:07 PM

Thanks! I hope you'll continue to provide me with rich material... :D

Sorry you see it only from that perspective, wannawipe....Especially while the kindly Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) has continued to fulfill his promise not to directly address me, even while addressing subjects I have brought up.

My concluding paragraph in the post is a sincere hope....Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) seems to have fallen into the comfort of upper-middle class American traditionalist religiosity that concludes good works and good living go hand in hand as a blessing....this is not what Christ preached...

His was carrying a cross....being ridiculed,.....feeling unwanted and uncomfortable in the conventional society and having people react very hatefully and strongly to the truth.

Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) had an agenda with his post, I identified it, accurately, and expressed hope he would see the error of his chosen direction.

As a physician, I see, and have fallen victim to it all too often as well, allowing a horrible personal tragedy cause selfishness and self-centeredness.

It is an easy trap and I pray Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) realizes it.

Hot off the press! Olbermann's acknowledgments in his new book Truth & Consequences:
John Dean, Joe and Valerie Wilson, the Clinton Family, Al Gore, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Dennis Kucinich, Crooks & Liars, Daily Kos.

-----And now something for the fangirls to cry over (verbatim from the book):

"And last and foremost, Katy Tur, who managed the seemingly mutually exclusive roles of girlfriend and editor ("I love it. Too long"). My eternal thanks, Bear."

Come on now, poster @ 2:36 PM....there have been assasinations, dropping stock markets, rising oil prices and tiger attacks in the world.....

You actually want to talk about Keith Olbermann here at OLBERMANN WATCH?.....

That acknowledgments list.....what a collection of characters and losers.....The man has no shame.

Hot off the press! Olbermann's acknowledgments in his new book Truth & Consequences:
John Dean, Joe and Valerie Wilson, the Clinton Family, Al Gore, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Harry Reid, Dennis Kucinich, Crooks & Liars, Daily Kos.

-----And now something for the fangirls to cry over (verbatim from the book):

"And last and foremost, Katy Tur, who managed the seemingly mutually exclusive roles of girlfriend and editor ("I love it. Too long"). My eternal thanks, Bear."

Posted by: Keith Olbermann is called "Bear" by the 20 something.. at December 27, 2007 2:36 PM

hmmmm... Carl Bernstein and Craig Crawford must have deviated from Olberdoxy at some point this year...

I read:
Bear - oversized and hairy!

Shamelessly too funny.

"I love it. Too long" obviously her biased opinion of his book and not package.

...And prone to long hibernations when the seasons turn sour. (like now or during clinton's impeachment)

sorry folks, I only gave a partial list (yes, Cecelia, surprise surprise, you were correct, Craig Crawford DID make the list):

Elizabeth Edwards
high school teachers: Walter Schneller & Peter Gibbon
Countdown staff; 11 + David Shuster, Monica Novotny, Craig Crawford, Roger Cressey, Lawrance O'Donnell, Richard Wolfe.
MS-NBC management: Jeff Zucker, Phil Griffin, Steve Capus, Bill Wolf, Cheryl Gould, Dan Abrams, Neal Shapiro
NBC: Brian Williams, Andrea Mitchell, Mike Boettcher
Agent: Jean Saye, literary agent: Esther Newberg
FRIENDS (he actually says my friends): Richard Lewis, Jeff Wald, Dan Patrick, Jason Bateman, Aaron Sorkin and the late Hal Fishman.

------The folks not listed: his parents, Chris Matthews, Howard Fineman and the numerous fawning reporters who constantly gave him glowing reviews/press coverage.

I repeat the last acknowlegment to remind all of Ms. Tur's unsung skill, book editor:

"And last and foremost, Katy Tur, who managed the seemingly mutually exclusive roles of girlfriend and editor ("I love it. Too long"). My eternal thanks, Bear."

bensen you are too funny---great comments!

BTW: Dana Milbank was not acknowldged as well---perhaps he and Fineman have been a little to hard on Miss Hillary/Billary lately...

Olbermann Back To Countdown Tonight

Keith Olbermann will be cutting his vacation short to cover the assassination of Benazir Bhutto as he returns tonight to anchor Countdown.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/

Where are the republicans? I thought he was non-denominational. Actually- where are the moderate democrats?

I can't stand that he is friends with Jason Bateman!

Here is a dog that won't bark tonight.

http://www.cmpa.com/releases.html

Non-partisan media watchdog group (ie not Media Matters or News Busters) rates Fox News as most fair and balanced to Presidential canidates.

Aaaaah, the fangirls have already calculated that because Olbermann says "girlfriend" they must be close to making the "announcement"---

by joanie004 on Wed Dec 26, 2007 10:05 pm
I had ordered from BN but it hadn't been sent yet, so I ran to the neighborhood BN and bought one.

The acknowledgment is priceless.I'm glad he has Katy to share this success with.

by CapitalL on Thu Dec 27, 2007 12:27 am
I just bought T & C from Borders. The acknowledgement to Katy is sweet.

by Marie on Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:42 am
Me, too. And now I'm really intrigued!

-Marie-
by CapitalL on Thu Dec 27, 2007 2:56 pm
And last and foremost, Katy Tur, who managed the seemingly mutually exclusive roles as girlfriend and editor ("I love it. Too long"). My eternal thanks, Bear.

Marie, so you won't die of anticipation. It seemed that you might have anticipated something more, so I figured you ought to know before the intrigue built up much further. He refers to her only as his "girlfriend" a few other times in the book. The references are unusual, though. As far as I've seen, celebrities very seldom refer to a girlfriend or a boyfriend in interviews or in print. I think I heard once that it's a general rule - only talk about a love interest if you're married. Makes me wonder if something more serious might have been anticipated soon after the release of the book (perhaps an announcement after the winter break?). Either that, or he left the toilet seat up one too many times.

http://keitholbermann.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=14190&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=15

hey Katy Turic, give us a limerick about your cute nickname for Keify...

DON'T WORRY!
I'm sure the crazy islamists are only as powerful as we make them appear. Its not a real threat yet. Lets wait until they seize control of Pakistans nukes until we face reality. I hope I'm not fear mongering....

>FRIENDS (he actually says my friends): Richard Lewis, Jeff Wald, Dan Patrick, Jason Bateman, Aaron Sorkin and the late Hal Fishman.

Does this guy only have "famous" friends---how lonely and pathetic.

Olbermann Back To Countdown Tonight

Keith Olbermann will be cutting his vacation short to cover the assassination of Benazir Bhutto as he returns tonight to anchor Countdown.

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/

Posted by: lucky us, Olbermann back to pretend he's a newsman at December 27, 2007 3:04 PM

MY HERO
I can't wait for the righteous indignation. Who will he blame? Who could it be? hmmm the crazies?? Nah it will all come back to Bush. maybe a fresh call to resign..

I am wondering how he will spin this tragedy to indict the Bush administration. Another Rove plot?

Hey Benson....for Olberman's spin, choose any comment at his fav, Crooks & Liars....

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/12/27/breaking-benazir-bhutto-assassinated-in-pakistan

Like....

"Musharraf will hold onto power at all costs… if he didn’t do this one of his proxies did… and the silence from Bush will be deafening…"

or

"Right now, Bush is in a national security meeting to decide how to handle the situation. But first, they have to explain to him who Bhutto is. And where Pakistan is."

or

"We need competent grown-ups running our government right now and instead we have Darth Cheney and Monkey-Boy. Pakistan has nukes and Bin Laden’s friends run the security services and a large part of the country. Happy F*cking New Year everyone!"

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Mmm, just the usual fear and wringing of hands at the typical blue nutroots.....

Olbermann will oblige them.

I wonder what method of diplomacy towards Musharaf that the loons would endorse.

Most pundits agree that marshal law NOW would be a good thing now. Yet the liberals see this as suppression endorsed by Bush. Its called "curbing Islamic Facists in a time of anarchy"

These lefties live in a vaccuum. Thank god they aren't in power here!

I am wondering how he will spin this tragedy to indict the Bush administration. Another Rove plot?

Posted by: benson at December 27, 2007 3:48 PM

He'll do it with the standard insightful and pragmatic sort of thinking that typifies the far left. He'll ask why we threw one thug out (Saddam) and yet support another "thug" (Musaref) while simultaneously venturing that Pakistan will be a casualty of our fomenting Islamic hatred.

Meanwhile, he'll mention nothing about the House of Saud, "the Clinton household", and the Clinton Library.

sorry folks, I only gave a partial list (yes, Cecelia, surprise surprise, you were correct, Craig Crawford DID make the list):

Posted by: Keith Olbermann is called "Bear" at December 27, 2007 2:59 PM

Apology accepted. I, for one, forgive you... :D

Diplomatic efforts, even if they were genuine, were not well-formulated nor well-executed. That has been characteristic, of course, of an Administration in which ham-handedness has always been prefereable to meaningful, forceful discussion, strutting always preferable to moving ahead with grit and determination. The time for diplomatic efforts may well have passed. I suspect we are in bed with Musharraf and the third member of our menage, martial law. Choices seem limited.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 27, 2007 4:38 PM

Well, you might consider that choices are limited because they must limited. There is the distinct possibility that the democratic Bhutto was assassinated by the same Islamic fundamentalists who wish to oust Musarraf as well.

Perhaps one man's "in bed with" is another's man's diplomacy that takes pragmatic, concentrated, and slow effort. Armchair quarterbacking, not withstanding...

Somehow this asshole thinks its NOT arrogant, self-important, and vapid behavior to judge someone who just had a personal tragedy.

Posted by: w at December 27, 2007 5:10 PM

Actually, that's probably the best time to judge someone's character.

Particularly when you're judging a person who has no difficulty with using a dire personal tragedy as a means to chastise strangers on an internet blogboard.

the speculation continues....

by Marie on Thu Dec 27, 2007 5:36 pm

Thanks for relieving my curiosity. That's almost a dedication, isn't it?

This marks two years together. He's so proud of her (to have found her, I mean). She was in the little bookstore fantasy he did on Countdown when Deathly Hallows came out. And before that she "appeared" on Dan Patrick's radio show with him for just a few minutes.

Regarding your suspicions about something Important-with-a-capital-I coming up, I'm sort of hoping that's why Aaron Barnhart's article was pushed back to the 28th. C'mon, Katy, get off the fence!

-Marie-

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Bear!?! Why in the world would you want everyone to know your pet name from your girlfriend. This is not normal. No wonder they kicked his ass of ESPN, what a serious pussy.

McCool:

"DON'T WORRY!

I'm sure the crazy Islamists are only as powerful as we make them appear."

Hold on just a minute there sport!

Obviously, with that statement, you are mocking me and others like me, but what you forget is that people like myself are the ones who have been pointing to Pakistan all along as ground zero for the REAL threat from Islamic Extremists, while you and yours have been flailing around about Iran and Iraq.

This situation is all the more threatening because we have been flailing away in Iraq at the WRONG enemy for 6 years now...in the process, overextending and weakening our military...which has lost much of it's ability to respond to emergencies, mainly because of Iraq, which has ALWAYS been completely beside the point.

oldie but goodie, a mention for OW back in the day....

"...The popular Olbermann Watch Web site, which keeps tabs on the bombastic blabber, is also skeptical. "There's no way [he'll] get $4 million . . . but by asking for that, when the network counteroffers in the $1.5 million range, he'll take it and the network will think it won," said blogger Fred Bear...."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12192006/gossip/pagesix/keith_faces_salary_shock_pagesix_.htm

Benson: "I am wondering how he is going to spin this tragedy to indict the Bush Administration."

EARTH TO BENSON: He has already 'indicted' the Bush administration...for good reason!

What is happening right now in Pakistan only validates what the left has been saying for years.

Lord, I wish we had a leader in Washington right now!

Olbermann leaning a new (old?) trick:

scroll down to find this line and click on HUYA!?:

But HUYA!? Or in this case HUOA! (Head Up Olbermann's Ass, which I think is pronounced ‘Hu-oooooh-ahhhh!)

http://www.banditobooks.com/ezine/2007/sep/archives/volume-1-number-1/keith-olbermanns-blurt

This situation is all the more threatening because we have been flailing away in Iraq at the WRONG enemy for 6 years now...in the process, overextending and weakening our military...which has lost much of it's ability to respond to emergencies, mainly because of Iraq, which has ALWAYS been completely beside the point.

Posted by: Mike at December 27, 2007 7:11 PM

Wait a minute. Pakistan didn't attack us, did they? Isn't that your argument AGAINST us "invading and occupying" Iraq? Uh oh...

"Wait a minute. Pakistan didn't attack us, did they? Isn't that your argument AGAINST us "invading and occupying" Iraq? Uh oh..."

You really don't even realize what a simpleton you are, do you?

Olbermann scheduled to emerge from the bathtub tonight -- to blame the whole Bhutto thing on Bush.

Does Hillary know that Olby is cheating on her with Christopher Dodd? Oh, the Orange One will pay for this slight against the Clinton mafia.

Does Hillary know that Olby is cheating on her with Christopher Dodd? Oh, the Orange One will pay for this slight against the Clinton mafia.

"Wait a minute. Pakistan didn't attack us, did they? Isn't that your argument AGAINST us "invading and occupying" Iraq? Uh oh..."

You really don't even realize what a simpleton you are, do you?

Posted by: Mike at December 27, 2007 7:34 PM

Silenced with 'simplicity.' Uh oh.

"The Orange One will pay for this slight against the Clinton mafia."

He'll be alright ..all he has to do is slip Bubba another check(on or off air)and all will be forgiven.

Mike now wants an invasion of Pakistan? LOL He is a hawk on Monday morning when it counts. Do us all a favor and keep you opinions to yourself. Bhutto new what she was in for, and she sacrificed herself for her country. Pakistan has been a disaster for years, and won't be fixed in a day. You can thank the British for that. You and your Bush derangement syndrome need not apply.

You really don't even realize what a simpleton you are, do you?

Posted by: Mike at December 27, 2007 7:34 PM

Holy shit, is Mike still posting on this board after getting his ass handed to him multiple times by Cee, Cecilia, Janet, Brandon and many others? In the history of this site, has Mike ever posted anything that was worth a shit?

I'm not beating the war drums, and I don't think Mike is, either, but a far, far better case can be made for occupation of Pakistan (or Saudi Arabia, Syria or Iran, for that matter) than was ever made or could ever have been made for Iraq. You're not particularly dumb. I am sure you know that as well. Mike simply has the objectivity and intellectual integrity to admit it.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 27, 2007 11:07 PM

You are missing a key point. Pakistan is not lead by an anti-American zelot who has invaded countries, used WMD's, and shot missles at allies of the US. Musharraf is no George Washington but he is no Sadam either.

Mike now wants an invasion of Pakistan? LOL He is a hawk on Monday morning when it counts. Do us all a favor and keep you opinions to yourself. Bhutto new what she was in for, and she sacrificed herself for her country. Pakistan has been a disaster for years, and won't be fixed in a day. You can thank the British for that. You and your Bush derangement syndrome need not apply.

Posted by: The Factor at December 27, 2007 11:00 PM

Thanks Factor. Monday Morning Quarterback was the exact phrase i was going to use. Apparently Mike is frustrated because he can't go back in time or is it that oh my god, there is more than one problem at a time in this world. I can't stick my head in the sand anymore! The RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM! A large minority refuses to modernize and evolve past the 8th Century and the majority are cowards or complicit. Some in this country refuse to wake up and take this threat seriously. Mike we do need REAL leaders in Congress and the White House, ones who will look at the oustide world honestly for what it is. Unfortunately much of it is still dark and backwards. We need to stay engaged and also become energy self sufficient. This means drilling more locally and more refineries, more nuke energy, and a Manhattan type project to work on future clean energy that we can share with the world. These assholes need to be starved into submission until THEY adapt to the rest of the world

I listened to the Gibson clip on J$ site and it was disgusting to hear the left wing blogs blame Bush and Fox News for this. The last thing we need is goofy conspiracy theories about oil and Rupert Murdoch. No one has any good answers to Pakistan and anyone who says they do is just fooling themselves

Mike simply has the objectivity and intellectual integrity to admit it.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 27, 2007 11:07 PM

"Wait a minute. Pakistan didn't attack us, did they? Isn't that your argument AGAINST us "invading and occupying" Iraq? Uh oh..."

You really don't even realize what a simpleton you are, do you?

Posted by: Mike at December 27, 2007 7:34 PM

Silenced with 'simplicity.' Uh oh.

His live-in ho calls him a "Bear"
There's no less anyone could care
Like Keith's insurrection
Or his non-erection
Keith's body is shaped like a pear

http://ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=283651069323293

Something to consider

The theoretical basis for our continued occupation has nothing to do with good-bad. Bush implicitly surrendered once all of his arguments for invasion and occupation, 9/11 complicity, WMD's, central front, bad Saddam, were discarded and now simply says we stay because things get even worse if we leave. He has a point, but is that any basis for a sound foreign policy, before-the- fact? I think not.

The whole region is the problem, its medieval in many places. If you look at the map, our military is on the borders of Iran (twice), Syria, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, ALL of the countries you mentioned AND we got rid of two of the craziest regimes in the region. Perhaps people in this administration aren't as short sighted as the left likes to believe with the Bush misspeak soundbites. Maybe we are positioned EXACTLY where we need to be at this moment in time, engaging the problem areas. This is going to be a generational war, hopefully non nuclear. We have become accustomed to short term solutions and instantaneous gratification. The crazies over there don't live in that little box. And we don't have a time machine to go back and kill Saddam in the crib, or make Jimmy Carter have a more enlightened policy with Iran or make the British after WWI partition in a more reasonable manner. The best we can do is deal with today's problems and hope we are considering tomorrows so we can avoid the worst ones.

Wax beans are worse than green beans, but the store stocks both.

Thats the best post I've seen you put up

Anon says, "The Saudis who, if not as a nation, as a people, played the key role in 9/11 and are the key financers for Al Qaeda."

-Do your research. Saudi nationals were picked by Osama to give naysayers like you this talking point. It was intentional to drive a wedge between our alliance with the Saudi ruling class. And the left continues to chirp his message.

Anon says, "The Syrians who have a well-defined and effective foreign policy of destabalizing the Middle East.

-Syria's influence on the middles east is largely funded and manipulated by the Iranians. Without Iran, Syria could easily be quelled by Israel. So I'll defer this explanation to the next quote.

Anon says, "The Iranians who have a well-defined but less effective, so far, foreign policy of provoking the powers into conflict and who may well be developing nuclear capabilities."

-Sorry, but they ARE developing nuclear capabilities. And nuclear weapons aren't far behind. And with the current leadership they are a huge threat. Fortunately, many experts think that a revolution could occur in the next decade that could change their desptic nature.

Anon says, "The Pakistanis who already have nuclear capabilities and who seem to have a proclivity to threatening people with them, if not actually using them, and who have tremendous animosity against the US. Moreover, the Pakistanis appear to be sheltering the Saudi culprit of 9/11."

-Ah, the usual democratic approach to our national affairs. You can state the problem, but disagree with any urrent policy. Our alliance with Musharaf has been integral to the war on terror. No? And today that bond remains, despite the chaos within their borders. The people of Pakistan hated us in October of 2001. They hate us now. Does that make us a nuclear target if Musharaf is replaced?

India has manged to stave of full war with Pakistan for decades despite sharing a border and equal amounts of hate.

I know that you are just trying to chastise our presence in Iraq, by comparing our relationships with other volatile countries in the region. But each is different. Each country has a different dynamic between three facets - their leadership, their population and their relationships with the US. So it isn't as simple as you pretend.

Fact is, IF (I know if) we can continue to grind Iraq into a country where we are welcome, the middle east will improve. But the climate in the region changes every day. And it has been that way for centuries.

Mike- answe me this-
"What is happening right now in Pakistan only validates what the left has been saying for years."

What has the left been saying for years? In light of your 'grand' i told you so moment... I suspect "what the left has been saying for years" contains the entire solution to the middle east problem.

I love when an assanination in Pakistan validates your entire middle east policy. Would the assasination of Ahmadinejad validate Bush's policy? You people are absurd.

Mika on MSNBC doid a nice hack job of blaming Bush for the destabalization in Paksitan. Joe Scarborough put her in her place. Can you argue with his point?

SCARBOROUGH: You can't blame George W. Bush for what happened yesterday! Pakistan was destabilized in 1997 when they gained nuclear weapons; they had a military coup in 1999 [both events occuring during the Clinton admin]. I mean this country has been unstable for years. ... .... whether they like us at the United Nations and whether they like us in France, and whether they respect us in Turkey right now because there has been seven years without an attack on American soil.

Excellent posts Benson....I would also add that the left's lie that Saddam Hussein was not a destabalizing force in the middle east shows at worst ignorance, at best a cynical attempt to ignore history.

He was a major supporter of Hezbollah and a major contributor to terrorism against Israel. His past actions supported the view that he was intent of continuing aiding miltant islamists against democracies in the region and perhaps in the world.

In regards to the rising power of the Shite theocracy of Iran, history shows the Sunni and Iran hating Saddam would have reacted by starting an arms race that would have had to be dealt with today....WMD would have been a festering issue and no one can claim that the intellegence we now have that Iraq was not actively pursuing WMD would have ever been reasonably accepted with Saddam in power, especially now as Saddam's enemy, Iran, continues to play the shell game.

Saddam gone gave us an absolute end to the WMD question in Iraq and it makes the region one less a lunatic with possible WMD.

The left ignores this benefit along with the FACT that most intelligence agencies, up to the invasion, thought Iraq had an active WMD program that was well hidden.

The unanswered question of whether Iran now as WMD programs makes the policy all that more difficult and imagine if this was also the case with a Saddam lead Iraq.

The American left likes to ignore the facts that put their myopic foreign policy in question.

Benson, Don't worry, Dr Mike will make you see the error of your ways soon.

The American left likes to ignore the facts that put their myopic foreign policy in question.

Posted by: cee at December 28, 2007 10:14 AM

Well said.

Mika on MSNBC doid a nice hack job of blaming Bush for the destabalization in Paksitan. Joe Scarborough put her in her place. Can you argue with his point?

SCARBOROUGH: You can't blame George W. Bush for what happened yesterday! Pakistan was destabilized in 1997 when they gained nuclear weapons; they had a military coup in 1999 [both events occuring during the Clinton admin]. I mean this country has been unstable for years. ... .... whether they like us at the United Nations and whether they like us in France, and whether they respect us in Turkey right now because there has been seven years without an attack on American soil.

Posted by: benson at December 28, 2007 9:48 AM

That was a good video. I like the "I have a friend" angle she uses. My friend feels like this, that way when I say this it will insulate me from criticism for what is really my point of view.

Oh, wannawipe....I am correct in believing Saddam Hussein lived in the middle east.....right?

Oh and let me clarify....I know Saddam was a Sunni Muslim....the sentence is a bit unclear in that....

"history shows the Sunni and Iran hating Saddam would have reacted by starting an arms race that would have had to be dealt with today"

I guess I should have posted, "History shows that the Iran hating Saddam, a Sunni,....."

Eitherway, it has been clear to me since the American left started their lies about the Iraq invasion that casting Saddam Hussein as a well contained HARMLESS entity is intellectually unsound....especially with the nucelar ambitions of Iran on the table now.

Sorry Cee- "myopic foreign policy"

I haven't heard a foreign policy from the left in years. Just that Bush's has been entirely wrong.

They chirp that he was wrong on many accounts:

Wrong to isolate and not negotiate with the Palestinians

Wrong to apply pressure on Libya

Wrong to sanction Iran, in light of the latest NIE report.

Wrong to sanction and isolate North Korea.

Wrong to invade Iraq... and eventually called the surge a path of destruction and futility.

And as of yesterday, wrong to align ourselves with Musharaf.

The Iraq debate is far from over, but I'll accept that it has not produced the results the administration guaranteed.

But to indict this administration for failed foreign policy is entirely over reaching. Bush inheritted a mess and had the gonads to make drastic changes in policy. Bringing Libya and North Korea online is just a couple of successes the left is unwilling to acknowledge... And Iran's dropping of a Nuclear weapon program has been directly correlated to our invasion of Iraq.

All policies the left has kicked and screamed about as the were implemented. So its hard to see any "myopic foreign policy" that would have resulted in similar successes.

(CUE: The illegal Iraq war chorus please)

I would suggest that the left's foreign policy was and still is crisis management after the events occur....that resulted in the biggest crisis of all for The United States in 9/11.

Bill Clinton, and his wife, want to return to this type of unengaged foreign policy...I disagree. The security of The United States AND OUR ALLIES (Israel, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, etc) demands active military engagement and the terrorism seen yesterday in Bhutto's assasination is yet another piece of evidence supporting that. The canard that we are making more enemies by being involved in the security of OUR ALLIES is a nonstarter in my book....this logic would have meant that NATO would have never been formed and we would have left western europe because the totalitarians in the Soviet Union said they did not like us there!

Friends deserve our support, and Iraq is a friend.....for our security and the security of our allies, military involvement is necessary against an enemy declared active and willing to kill using military and terrorist tactics.

The American left does not support this imortant American value that has worked everytime we have applied it and have been patient.....Look at what the surge has done to stabalize Iraq and once again you see that the left was once again WRONG.

Three separate Iraqs, de jure if not de facto, seem to be emerging. That negates any significant strategic value in the long term war on terror, I should think. Certainly, a successful democratic Iraq is little more than a pipe dream these days.

1 big country or 3 small ones, as long as they stay engaged with the US and don't pose a threat I don't see a problem as long as Iran doesn't dominate the shiite. Of course that may cause problems for Turkey with its Kurds.

There is much below-the-surface instability in Saudi Arabia now, and I wonder how long the the ruling family can hold on to power. That has always been a completely artificial government, based upon a bizarre fiction. I suppose it is amazing that the family has held onto power as long as it has. A good part of that is because of the support of the UK and the US.

I've wondered the same things but if it wasn't us buying the oil it would be the Chinese, they'd still get the money and we would still need the oil because for some reason people oppose more drilling in OUR Gulf and in ANWR

However, the reform impulse is strong in Pakistan, and if we ignore that, we do so at our peril. I am a bit concerned that at some point, we are going to be asked to make a choice between Pakistan and India on some key points. That will prove difficult. India is less strategic in the war on terror, but of vast importance to us economically. A bit of a soul brother to boot ....
India will be a good ally addressing this problem. They have every reason to see a stable Pakistan and I think in 50 years India will be a better and more important ally to us than Europe.

that my analysis may be colored by my politics

Your honesty is refreshing. The only thing I can say is what would the alternatives have been? Gore? Kerry? Do you honestly think they would have done a better job? and in what aspect? I have no faith that either one of them would have been up to the task. I suspect there would have been more hand wringing and less action, and I voted for Gore.

I consider myself an independent and I honestly feel that the Democratic Party has produced short sighted, public opinion driven politicians for the last 20 or so years. If Liebermann ran I would seriously consider voting for him.

Sorry that was me

Lieberman- as I would too...
Truly a man that puts honesty and country ahead of party. Almost absent in today's political world.

You have been really introspective in your views today... perhaps taking some time off away from the barbs here allowed you to not react so fast?

Lieberman- as I would too...
Truly a man that puts honesty and country ahead of party. Almost absent in today's political world.

You have been really introspective in your views today... perhaps taking some time off away from the barbs here allowed you to not react so fast?

Posted by: benson at December 28, 2007 10:58 AM

yeah, I have a problem with patience some times :-)

"If Liebermann ran I would seriously consider voting for him."

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Amen to that sentiment. Joe Lieberman is one of two democrats I have ever voted for.....Frank Lautenberg for Senate in 1988 was the other and I have regretted that one ever since.

My vote for him when I lived in Connecticut briefly in the 2000 Senate race was a difficult one because of his abortion stance, but he is a man of character and values. This translates to a nonpartisan approach to the most difficult of issues that is now lacking in our body politic and so much more rancid in the radical tact The Democratic Party has taken over the last 40 years in appeasing the anti-American fringe left.

His live-in ho calls him a "Bear"
There's no less anyone could care
Like Keith's insurrection
Or his non-erection
Keith's body is shaped like a pear

Posted by: Katy Turic at December 28, 2007 12:35 AM

Thanks Katy, great as usual!

I actually tend to think Gore would have done a far, far better job than Bush. I have a number of problems with him, but he is analytical, not reflexive. If 9/11 had occurred during a Gore presidency, I tend to think we would have gone to Afghanistan, and we would have solidified our position there.

Sorry, the whole man made global warming scam that he is milking for millions makes him unethical

Gore, for all his many, many faults, does consider issues carefully. He may not come out on the same side we all prefer, but he does give integrity to the process.

THAT is a JOKE. Consensus my ass.

Gore may well have proven to be a stronger voice with the Saudis and the Iranians, as well. Certainly, far less bluster .... That would have served us well.

Why does the American left think Middle Eastern tyrants will react like liberal Europeans diplomats if we show enough pliability. They understand power and nothing else. Military power and economic power. anything else will just project weakness in their eyes

I was never much impressed with Kerry. I voted for him, reluctantly. It was always more of an anti-Bush vote. With Kerry, the analytical process would have never stopped. I have never considered him a coward as some believe, but he has never fully appreciated that the deliberative process is a not an end but a means.

I dont think he is a coward either I think he was a typical shallow playing to the polls democrat with no platform except a contrarian one.

Sorry again that was me

Joe
followed by
God
followed by
Nation
followed by
Party.

And does this mean you think party should come before God and Nation?

ANON- I agree- But I really think
his priorities read

The HOMELAND
followed by
THE US
followed by
Party.

His devotion to Israel probably shapes his crossing of the aisle in politics.

hey, J$, I like the new look of your blog.

http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/jdp.html

When I said Gore was not reflexive, this is exactly the kind of situation that comes to mind. He would have more fully considered implications and not run off with a half-baked, abstract plan

And yet he is leading the charge to reflexively enlist the world in binding carbon reduction treaties even though the science isnt there. The science is settled, we have to hurry before its too late, it may already be too late!! He wants to add trillions of dollars in burden, mainly to the US, Euro and Japanese economies for an imperceptible benefit in temp reduction. And that isn't even considering the more than likely possiblity that it wont work. The guy has a messiah complex and those type of people dont see things clearly, ever.
I know he sounds more intelligent than Bush and possibly would score higher on an IQ test but there are several aspects to intelligence. And having a backbone and a stubborn streak at the correct time in history may be just what this country and world needed. Time will tell.

As reported by Bloomberg in November:

"Japan, Italy and Spain face fines of as much as $33 billion combined for failing to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions as promised under the Kyoto treaty.

The three countries are the worst performers among 36 nations that agreed to curb carbon dioxide gases that cause climate change. The 1997 Kyoto accord designed to slow global warming demands that polluting nations buy credits for their excess emissions from other industrial polluters or investors."

The Kyoto treaty had ridiculous fines tied to the most developed country. Ironically, we did not sign and our fines equalled- ZERO.

Sorry but there has to be a better way.

Sorry, That Kyoto smackdown was me.
Benson

"I feel like throwing up"

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That's what the post was...emesis, wannawipe...another example of contrarian, "no solutions" hand wringing that symbolizes your ruling elite on the left.

Musharraf has reacted positively to the pressure from Bush to pursue democratic reforms and will only do so as we support him....The alternative in a radical islamist theocracy with a nuclear weapon.....I guess that is what wannawipe wants?

Oh, and a whore is a type of "special" friend, wannawipe....a special friend that wnats something for something....it is a reality of the world I am adult enough to understand and live with.....and not use as a red herring is an argument about serious issues of national security....

I know you have experience with such "special friends," in your personal life, wannawipe!

Poor, poor wannawipe...the journalist believes he is so smart and ready to lead the world into secular utopia, if just some would get out of the way.

Nevermind ideology, nevermind unprovoked terrorist attacks....they are still the fault of United States arrogance and hegemony.

This is the left's problem.....USA BAD!.....ALWAYS!

Like I asked, wannawipe....Was I correct in placing Iraq and our once ally against radical Islam , Saddam Hussein, in the middle east?

Sorry but there has to be a better way.

Posted by: at December 28, 2007 12:09 PM

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Minority.Blogs&ContentRecord_id=f80a6386-802a-23ad-40c8-3c63dc2d02cb

There doesnt have to be any way, its not true. Development and wealth will ensure a clean environment. Wealthy nations can afford to not pollute. Carbon Dioxide is not a pollutant. The plant world would love higher CO2 levels. I bet that would ring with Hollywood.

Meet me in the XXI Century, IDIOTS!

Posted by: I feel like throwing up at December 28, 2007 12:09 PM

Ahh the voice of reason wakes up

Oh my, I missed this gem from the leftist humanitarian, wannawipe.....

"In the mean time you IDIOTS don't realize it is not up to YOU IDIOTS to IMPOSE a different way of government, a different civilization upon other people. The slogan sure will make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside, but it does not mean a damned thing in real life."

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What a wonderful ideology to have as a cornerstone of foreign policy.....an, "it's not" approach....boy that approach rings of such idealists like JFK, FDR, Wilson and Jefferson!.... These former democrats would just love the idealism in the foundation that leads the wannawipe!

I guess the no can do attitude of your modern democrat simply translates into the likes of Clinton et al who will dawdle away and ignore foreign relations as the enemies of freedom, basic human rights and liberty plot and advance....

like they did all through the 1990's and worked towards 9/11....

Yep...."It's not" is a great policy that sure would have advanced our society over the last two millenia!.....Thanks for making it crystal clear, wannawipe!

Dude, take the 4 day old wife beater off and GO TAKE A SHOWER!!!

"Osama, and The Taliban "Freedom Fighters", "allies" until they got this crazy idea of going on his own."

Posted by: I don't feel like growing up at December 28, 2007 12:09 PM

A wonderful lie by the Olbermann zombie.
The Taliban was not created until well after Reagan provided stinger missiles to the Mujahideen to drive out the Soviets and fix the mess the Anti-Semite Jimmy Carter had created. Bin Laden was angered by the suffering of the refugees in Afghanistan at the hands of the Soviets and the fact that Carter did nothing to stop it. That is why he went to Afghanistan and created the Taliban. If Carter had done what Reagan did from the beginning, there might not have been and Osama Bin Laden.

Poor wannawipe....free and open elections scheduled for next week in Pakistan were not good enough for the anti-American leftist....or for the members of Al Queda and their supporters for that matter, who were the likely killers Ms. Bhutto.....

Once again.....strange bed-fellows this war against radical islamic terrorism makes....

It even makes some people worry about Israel like in Mr. blank-FLUCKER's (cue OLD SPICE jingle) guarded yet revealing post at 1:00PM.

I wonder why?.....Oh those bad Jews and their love of freedom! Once again....the secular utopia awaits!...Damn those that stand in the way!

My oh my....I wonder if Obama is a friend of Israel like Clinton and Lieberman are?

Where will the radical left go in regards to their tendancies towards anti-Semitism?

What will the demands be?....

Oh yeah, that's right....we'll just wait when holocaust deniers and other radicals get a hold of nuclear weapons and then act.....Israel...you're on your own!

BTW....the evidence shows that Mr. Liebermann thinks as follows.....

God,
Nation,
Party,
Joe......

And Israel has consistently been on the same course and in agreement in the important and substantive issues with "Nation," or USA, gents.....Please give me an example when this was not the case since Jimmy Carter's Camp David accords and I will gladly apologize.

That's what the post was...emesis, wannawipe...another example of contrarian, "no solutions" hand wringing that symbolizes your ruling elite on the left.

Musharraf has reacted positively to the pressure from Bush to pursue democratic reforms and will only do so as we support him....The alternative in a radical islamist theocracy with a nuclear weapon.....I guess that is what wannawipe wants?

Oh, and a whore is a type of "special" friend, wannawipe....a special friend that wnats something for something....it is a reality of the world I am adult enough to understand and live with.....and not use as a red herring is an argument about serious issues of national security....

I know you have experience with such "special friends," in your personal life, wannawipe!

Poor, poor wannawipe...the journalist believes he is so smart and ready to lead the world into secular utopia, if just some would get out of the way.

Nevermind ideology, nevermind unprovoked terrorist attacks....they are still the fault of United States arrogance and hegemony.

This is the left's problem.....USA BAD!.....ALWAYS!

Like I asked, wannawipe....Was I correct in placing Iraq and our once ally against radical Islam , Saddam Hussein, in the middle east?

Posted by: cee at December 28, 2007 12:21 PM

Yes, the "ruling elite on the left", willing to call out American bullshit when they see it. Even when it isn't convinient to the country.
The American people are not bad, just this hypocritical government, who decide which dictator is alright, and what crimes are acceptable.

Why don't you BU$HWIPES add Musharraf to Mt. Rushmore?

Posted by: I didn't expect it from you, Pastor DUMBFUCK! I mean Phallu-Cee! at December 28, 2007 1:17 PM

Great idea, loon boon!

Here we go....along with the anti-Christian bigotry of the usual subjects....one mentions "Lieberman" and the anti-Semites are ready to work their magic!

Yep, there they are.......

See what you started, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle)!....Your Northern European biases against the darker people down near that dirty Mediterranian Sea is just simply infectious!

Perhaps Ireland is peaceful to you for many other reasons.

Like I keep seeing in this war....the creation of strange bedfellows!

Yes, the "ruling elite on the left", willing to call out American bullshit when they see it. Even when it isn't convinient to the country.
The American people are not bad, just this hypocritical government, who decide which dictator is alright, and what crimes are acceptable.

Posted by: Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist at December 28, 2007 1:33 PM

"The war is lost."

"The surge has worked."

And remember....according to wannawipe, those dirty darker people are not fit to accept democracy or freedom of religion or thought.......

Especially in that middle east region that does or doen't include The Sudan.

How about, Iraq and Iran?.....Israel there too, wannawipe?

Nasty fundy flat-earthers!
Dirty Jews, uh wannawipe?

Where will the radical left go in regards to their tendancies towards anti-Semitism?

What will the demands be?....

Oh yeah, that's right....we'll just wait when holocaust deniers and other radicals get a hold of nuclear weapons and then act.....Israel...you're on your own!

Posted by: cee at December 28, 2007 1:28 PM

ha ha
nice try.

The American people are not bad, just this hypocritical government, who decide which dictator is alright, and what crimes are acceptable.

Posted by: Trent the Huff & Puff Moonbat at December 28, 2007 1:33 PM

You mean like Jimmy Carter getting rid of the Shah of Iran so that we have our "good friends" running Iran now because he declared that advancing "human rights" was among his highest priorities? How are the "human rights" now in Iran? If you want to know when the Middle East went down hill, look no further than the peanut farmer.

I recall all of those Lieberman kissing Bush pictures on the blue blogs back in 2006 and what did it get the loonery radical left.....

Senator Lieberman (I) for 6 years.....

And now we see sexually suggestive photos of Lieberman and the great patriot and strong Israel supporter, former POW John McCain....Republican running for President....on those same blogs.....

Mmmm......a pattern?.....oh yeah....Joe Lieberman....a Jew and hawk against radical islamic terrorists......

A TARGET OF THE LEFT!

mmmm.....the seething hatred just under the surface is evident, gents.

The American people are not bad, just this hypocritical government, who decide which dictator is alright, and what crimes are acceptable.

Posted by: Trent the Huff & Puff Moonbat at December 28, 2007 1:33 PM

You mean like Jimmy Carter getting rid of the Shah of Iran so that we have our "good friends" running Iran now because he declared that advancing "human rights" was among his highest priorities? How are the "human rights" now in Iran? If you want to know when the Middle East went down hill, look no further than the peanut farmer.

Posted by: The Factor at December 28, 2007 1:50 PM

Don't forget Reagan, Bush I & II, and Clinton .

and don't forget the 'ol cowboy Rumsfeld himself, who even presented our friend, Saddam, with his very own pair of golden spurs.

Yes, the "ruling elite on the left", willing to call out American bullshit when they see it. Even when it isn't convinient to the country.
The American people are not bad, just this hypocritical government, who decide which dictator is alright, and what crimes are acceptable.

Posted by: Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist at December 28, 2007 1:33 PM

YES! george Bush's govt is the FIRST one to do THAT!!! Read a couple of books.

If Reagan would have died in 1984 the world would have been a far better place.

Posted by: Bill O'lielly at December 28, 2007 1:34 PM

Brilliant, knucklehead.

Here we go....along with the anti-Christian bigotry of the usual subjects....one mentions "Lieberman" and the anti-Semites are ready to work their magic!

Yep, there they are.......

See what you started, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle)!....Your Northern European biases against the darker people down near that dirty Mediterranian Sea is just simply infectious!

Perhaps Ireland is peaceful to you for many other reasons.

Like I keep seeing in this war....the creation of strange bedfellows!

Posted by: cee at December 28, 2007 1:39 PM

YEP

You mean like Jimmy Carter getting rid of the Shah of Iran so that we have our "good friends" running Iran now because he declared that advancing "human rights" was among his highest priorities? How are the "human rights" now in Iran? If you want to know when the Middle East went down hill, look no further than the peanut farmer.

Posted by: The Factor at December 28, 2007 1:50 PM
NOW don't go on making sense now Factor. they can't deal with that.

"I bought a magnetic figure of Masharraf at a kitsch shop in Luton. He is wearing army boots and a big pair of knickers. There are different sets of clothes you can put on him, from his fully uniform, to a business suit, to a wet suit to a chorus boy in "Oklahoma". I gave it to an Indian friend for Christmas. So, if we need a model for Mount Rushmore ...."

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Wow, what a coikidink, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle)....I bought a similar product but with Al Gore as the model....His outfits included a red thong (sexy!) and a prep school uniform ensemble.....

He was purchased in The Port Authority Bus terminal, NYC.....

And for Christmas, I gave it to a politically liberal Unitarian lady who attends a Bible Study with me.....

So if we need a model for the $3 bill......

YES! george Bush's govt is the FIRST one to do THAT!!! Read a couple of books.

Posted by: McCool at December 28, 2007 2:04 PM

NO(!) I didn't just single out just the Bush Administration(!)(!)(!) I suggest you read a couple of books.

"....but YOU IDIOT think you can use military means to invade and convert them."

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More brainless religious bigotry by the site's chief hater.....

Yeah, wannawipe, I, like those nasty Jews in Palestine and those Bible thumpers in Mississippi, want to convert the Musselmen!

Sure I do...at the end of the gun!....just like ye Christian knights of old!

Yeah....reference please....time and date?

No, wannawipe....you have displayed time and again a deep seeded hatred towards religion....That is the problem at hand....

My church meets 8:30 and 11:00 AM every Sunday....we have people of all races and religious traditions worshiping Jehovah, the creator of the universe!....How cultish of us, uh?

Dear wannawipe....don't try to distract us all from your anti-Semitism.....it is immature....either deny it or defend it.....and in the process try to complete a sentence, for goodness sake!

Boo! JOHN 3:16, wannwipe....look out I am evangelising!....EEEEEECK!

Nasty fundy flat-earthers!
Nasty, dirty Jews!

What We Watch
By TODD VANDERWERFF
The Press-Enterprise

What They Hated

"...The Harrisons also had a problem with a news broadcast, albeit one broadcast nationally.

"Our least favorite show -- one that makes us turn off our TV in utter disgust is the Keith Olbermann late afternoon show on MSNBC. The Fox Network at least makes an honest effort to keep things 'fair and balanced,' something MSNBC and Mr. Olbermann know nothing about," the couple said..."

http://www.pe.com/entertainment/stories/PE_Fea_Daily_D_tv.yearinreview1228.51ff5ce.html

newpaper out of Riverside, CA

"If I've insisted in knowing your cult's location is because of a community service.

"Just to alert the rubbish collection company."

###
Keep piling on wannawipe.....your religious prejudices are finding their vent....the refuse you identify as my superstitions and the 95% of Americans who think there is a big pumpkin in the sky just makes you and the secular elite so irritable......

What about our secular utopia!
Damn Jews!
Damn Christians!
Damn Muslims!
Damn Hindus!
Damn you ALLLLLLL! Worship yourselves and everything will be alright!.....

^ just wanted to give all you guys a break from all the political foaming at the mouth (keyboard)...

Thanks anon....your post is actually more edifying and cogent to this board than the spew from the everchanging his name wannawipe....

....WHO INSISTS ON USING ALL CAPS, LOTS OF PROFANITY AND EXCLAMATION POINTS!!!!

What We Watch
By TODD VANDERWERFF
The Press-Enterprise

What They Hated

"...The Harrisons also had a problem with a news broadcast, albeit one broadcast nationally.

"Our least favorite show -- one that makes us turn off our TV in utter disgust is the Keith Olbermann late afternoon show on MSNBC. The Fox Network at least makes an honest effort to keep things 'fair and balanced,' something MSNBC and Mr. Olbermann know nothing about," the couple said..."

http://www.pe.com/entertainment/stories/PE_Fea_Daily_D_tv.yearinreview1228.51ff5ce.html

newpaper out of Riverside, CA

Posted by: at December 28, 2007 2:59 PM

ha ha. I live in Riverside.

Wow! someone doesn't like Olbermann's show? Well, that's news to me!

TEE HEE! and they some-what even praise Fox News!

".....although most of the recent conversation has been about cults and cultists."

###
Yes, but not those most favored by Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle).....

....those looking for the holy grail and the perfect Aryan.....

from Olbermann's latest book Truth & Consequenses (and the reason he hates Giuliani so much):

And here the major blanked.
He turned helplessly to Deputy Major Reiter and mumbled something like "I forgot his name."
My ESPN friends, and others in the audience, laughed.
Fran Reiter detonated. She needed no super-efficent microphone.. "You said you'd remember! You repeated it for me! Olbermann! Keith Olbermann! he's the emcee, from ESPN!"
Behind me, Hall-of-Famer Al Kaline laughed (I think sympathetically).
Giuliani turned back to the crowd. "Right. let me introduce our emcee from ESPM, Keith Obleman..."
Kaline's laugh was not sympathetic. Nor were those of my friends in the crowd.
For me, time slowed. I thought only of revenge. Get to my feet and say, "Thank you, Mayor dinkins? Mayor Koch? Mayor La Guardia?" Able ripostes, no doubt. But I was here representing ESPN and under the auspices of the Hall of Fame, and my disrespect would become their disrespect. So I just sat there and made Mayor Zombie reintroduce me.

###

So, Giuliani misprounces this guys' name (most likely as a joke) and Oberdouche gets completely bent out of shape, assuming a former hall of famer does as well---really, this guy is truly nuts.

"For me, time slowed. I thought only of revenge. Get to my feet and say, "Thank you, Mayor dinkins? Mayor Koch? Mayor La Guardia?"

THAT would have been funny, would have got genuine laughs---Laughing WITH him, not AT him as the crowd was probably doing. sheesh, liberals like Keith Olbermann have no sense of humor. This man has one serious persecution complex.

Look out, OW book chat....some on this OLBERMANN WATCH board see such discussions as detrimental to the human spirit, a waste of time and very disrespectful to the sensibilities of many....

Why speak of Olbermann on OLBERMANN WATCH?....There are so many other more important things to discuss in an attempt to raise the human spirit......

"Thanks, 2:59. That really enriched my holiday weekend. Knowing that a family in Temecula, a market in which "Idol" is the top show, dislikes Olbermann opened all sorts of doors and windows for me."

###
Right, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle)?

"But I was here representing ESPN and under the auspices of the Hall of Fame, and my disrespect would become their disrespect." Keith Olbermann

What an arrogant gasbag. How is forgetting some sports casters name, disrespecting the Hall of Fame? Olbermann can't even do play-by-play. What a joke. Its not like is Jack Buck or Mel Allen, he reads written jokes about sports clips on a cable network. A true self-important narcissist. Olbermann makes Al Gore look humble.

My! You have dated yourself, The. But, they were great ones.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 28, 2007 4:13 PM

I couldn't really think of anyone currently who compares. Maybe Bob Costas.

But back to Phallu-Cee, the Fundy moron that has labeled Eve as a "secular leftist" and cause of all the world's evils.

Posted by: OK Fuctoid. I believe you. at December 28, 2007 1:32 PM

Pharicee dislikes women, possibly because of the "tempted Adam" myth, perhaps its just something he has inside of him. His literary heroes - Charles Shultz and CS Lewis - exhibit the same shrinking misogenism throughout their work. He is most comfortable with stupid men in charge (hence his fetish for G W Bush) flanked by mute dingbats whom they retain for procreation.

Charles Shultz = misogenism
Huh!?!

Charles Shultz = misogenism
Huh!?!

Posted by: at December 28, 2007 5:33 PM

Lucy - bossy grasping bitch to Charlie and Schroeder

Sally - bossy acquisitive shrew re: Linus

Peppermint Patti - bossy bull-dike to Marcie

..and all the poor earnest young men just suffer impotently. Very sad.

more from Keith Olbermann's Truth & Consequenses: (For context: he spends about 3 long paragraphs on how he learned to write fast in high school)

"This long preambe is offered to explain that I generally can write the script of an entire edition of Countdown---though I no longer try to, if I can avoid it---and can do so without a second draft. The Special Comments have been different. These are usually composed at home, at night, then read aloud, then slept upon, then rewritten, then read aloud again, then "blocked" (the process by which visual elements and camera changes are selected), and then tinkered with to the point of paranoia. I have revised portions in the commercial breaks that preceded them."

"I generally can write the script of an entire edition of Countdown...and can do so without a second draft."

-----That makes sense, since he is pulling all is content from Hillary Clinton's Media Matters and Soros' Daily Kos.

"...then "blocked" (the process by which visual elements and camera changes are selected)..."

-----in other words, "I practice my stern look and jerking head turns over and over again."

Oh boy, slob must have talked the judge into one of those nice ankle braclets/home arrest. Just when things were half way civil. Aside from AAP's usual lunacy, that is.

Lucy - bossy grasping bitch to Charlie and Schroeder
Sally - bossy acquisitive shrew re: Linus
Peppermint Patti - bossy bull-dike to Marcie
..and all the poor earnest young men just suffer impotently. Very sad.
Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at December 28, 2007 5:39 PM

I'm a hardcore feminist and I never saw that shit. WOW

Isn't slob a classy liberal? Sure am glad he's back.......On another note, Murtha to be deposed, soon. Finally, justice!

Liberal lowlights of 2007
By Mike Rosen, Rocky Mountain News
Friday, December 28, 2007

"Al-Qaida really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than al-Qaida - worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was." - MSNBC anchor Keith Olbermann in an interview with Playboy magazine.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/28/rosen-liberal-lowlights-of-2007/

Dynamic Duo Award for Idolizing Bill and Hillary: "When I watched him (former President Bill Clinton) at Mr. King's funeral, I just have never seen anything like it . . . There are times when he sounds like Jesus in the temple. I mean, amazing ability to transcend ethnicity - race, we call it, it's really ethnicity - in this country and, and speak to us all in this amazingly primordial way." - MSNBC's Chris Matthews on Hardball, Feb. 28

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2007/dec/28/rosen-liberal-lowlights-of-2007/

Chris Matthews, a liberal?

Yes, to the bone.

Only a hapless, liberal idiot (mathews) would suggest the UN (which includes our sworn enemies as member nations) take up resident on land (ground zero) that is a memorial to the UN’s utter failures. Why would anyone suggest an organization whose member states cheered the attacks on 9-11 be provided residence on this hallowed site? Yes, he's as far left as they come.

"Anti-Kerry" means he's not a liberal? Please. The fact that Olbermahn is anti-Obama means he's not liberal? Please......

Only a hapless, liberal idiot (mathews) would suggest the UN (which includes our sworn enemies as member nations) take up resident on land (ground zero) that is a memorial to the UN’s utter failures. Why would anyone suggest an organization whose member states cheered the attacks on 9-11 be provided residence on this hallowed site? Yes, he's as far left as they come.

Posted by: royal king at December 28, 2007 7:35 PM

Ok. By your idiotic logic, he's a liberal.
Figures.

If I remember correctly, mathews was pro-Algore. Liberal enough?

Also, can you name one conservative that wanted to move the un to Ground Zero? I can't believe I am being asked to prove to someone that mathews is a liberal......

Matthews is not liberal, he is an opportunist.

Wasted, all you've really got to remember is that RK associates 'liberalism' with anti-Americanism.

Only then will you begin to understand his twisted thinking.

Wasted, I'm pretty certain that RK also believes that invading and occupying Iraq was driven by 'conservative' thinking.

I'm pretty certain that RK also believes that anyone who exibits nuanced thinking regarding fighting terrorism, The UN, France, Islam, or the Bush Administration simply MUST be a 'liberal'.

RK obviously didn't see Mathews trashing 'liberals' Obama and Edwards on his show last night.

Another possiblity is that RK believes that even one instance of what he perceives to be anti-conservative thinking forever makes someone a 'liberal'.

Rational thought is NOT what RK is about.

"This long preambe is offered to explain that I generally can write the script of an entire edition of Countdown---though I no longer try to, if I can avoid it---and can do so without a second draft." Keith Olbermann

Why would it take long to copy word for word from MediaMatters, MorON.org, and Kooks and Liars? Those penis jokes and whore jokes about Brittany Spears must take a lot of energy. He spends all night on his Spechul Komments?I guess thumbing through the thesaurus and trying to fit Nixon into every sentence takes a long time. Simple equation for Olbermann's rants, vent his emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertions, and repeat slogans DING.

"Simple equation for Olbermann's rants, vent his emotions, question other peoples motives, make bold assertions, and repeat slogans DING."

Sounds EXACTLY like what both you and your namesake Bill O'Reilly do.

MSDNC ought to run a laugh track over Olby's Speshul-Kommentalooza spitcom tonight. The mothership could shill it as original programming during the writer's strike. NBC has already have sicced Olbytard onto unsuspecting football fans. Why not insult the rest of their viewers?

Well, Mike, you may have your differences with The Factor about BOR, but at least O'Reilly presents alternative viewpoints representing more than one side of an issue. Unlike Olby, Fox commentators are not afraid of those who disagree with them and will grant newsmakers and commentators a venue to express their opinions. Olby the Bathman cannot make such a claim.

I'm interested in some proof you may have that he is liberal "to the bone".

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 28, 2007 7:33 PM

He was a speach writer for Jimmy Carter. Matthews later worked six years as a top aide to long-time Speaker of the House of Representatives Tip O'Neill. Matthews is not a fan of Hillary Clinton and will attack her. I think he likes Clinton personally but does not like the Clinton Machine.

"Matthews is not liberal, he is an opportunist.
Posted by: Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist at December 28, 2007 8:11 PM "

I wasn't aware that there was a difference. :)

Grammie

Now to be a bit more serious. Where on the continuum of political characterization would you place Chris Mathews?

I have always considered him to be liberal, tending a bit to very liberal, but definitely not radically liberal. So where on the scale do you think he fits most comfortably?

BTW, I have always self described as very conservative. However I took the World's Shortest Political Quiz and I fall basically above average conservative leaning to Libertarian. It only takes a few minutes and is a fun site.

Grammie

Chris Matthews - like so many in the media today - is simply infatuated with power, and obsessed with his own role as fluffer in the celebrity carnival that passes as our political system.

When the Democrats have a solid hold on power he will fawn and drool over them, but until then we must hear him refer to the retard princeling Bush as "Atticus Finch" who "shines with a sunny nobility". Repulsive sycophancy from a absolute stooge.

Hey, SLOB, we haven't seen you in a while.

Just out of curiosity what politicians do you support? And what about their platform or positions is the reason.

Grammie

Just out of curiosity what politicians do you support? And what about their platform or positions is the reason.

Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at December 28, 2007 10:08 PM

Dear god, please don't say Ron Paul.

Just out of curiosity what politicians do you support? And what about their platform or positions is the reason.

Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at December 28, 2007 10:08 PM

I am a Kucinich supporter, because he advocates policies based on their logical benefit to our society rather than based on the profit margins of this or that predatory industry. He has since the invasion of Iraq directly called for its immediate termination, and the bringing to legal account those responsible for the lies that took us there; he alone of the Democrats advocates a single-payer universal health care system, and the elimination of the mercantilistic insurance industries who's profits hinge on the systematic denial of care to their customers.

I approve of Chris Dodd's recent stands in the senate, and I have sent him tokens of cash in response, but the majority of my financial suport has gone to Kucinich, who's progressive positions are intrinsic, and not the result of shifting polls as I percieve Dodd's to largely be.

I derive great joy from the discomfort that Ron Paul's grass-roots success brings to the corporatist Republican party, but beyond his anti-war position we share no views in common, and I consider him to be a dangerous libertarian of the most fanciful strain.

Who do you like, Grammy?

So Olby thanks his Hollywood C-list friends and the Clinton "family" but fails to mention his own?

Factor, I suspect SLOB may lean more to Bernie Sanders, socialist using the nom de plume independent.

I am genuinely interested though in who would have SLOB's strong support b/c he seems to me to be a through and through socialist.

To my mind the green parties and movements represent socialism in our country today. SLOB may have a different opinion.

Grammie

..Kucinich just recieved the endorsement of "The Nation", which in progressive circles carries a lot of weight. I think the media-picked Dem front-runners are going to start sounding a lot more progressive in response.

Grammy,

I'm a big Bernie Sanders fan. I am also a registered Green, but I literally have no candidates to vote for under that brand.

And I do consider myself to be a socialist, which to me simply means responsible political democracy, and an economy in which the external costs and benefits of any undertaking are recognized and reconciled under law.

Actually, SLOB, I don't have an opinion yet except that Paul and Huckabee are off my list.

The only time I ever was a supporter during the primaries was for Ronaldus Magnificus. My husband and I had been following him for years and knew we wanted him. That was the first and last time I supported anyone before the end of the process b/c I frequently don't know enough in detail at the beginning.

Right now I could live with Romney, Guilliani or Thompson barring any unforeseen bumps or craters in the road. It's a long road to Tippirarry (sp) still.

Grammie

PS I hope you, your wife and family are all doing well.

but I don't have any sense of where we are headed.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 28, 2007 11:40 PM

Shocker.

[Also, can you name one conservative that wanted to move the un to Ground Zero?] I can't believe I am being asked to prove to someone that mathews is a liberal......

Posted by: royal king at December 28, 2007 7:52 PM

Olbyloons, silenced with simplicity, again.

Dem front-runners are going to start sounding a lot more progressive in response.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at December 28, 2007 10:51 PM

One can only hope. It will prove how out of touch they really are.

Thanks for proving my point, philby.

members of the UN [cheering on the 9/11 hijackers], when, in fact, virtually the entire world was with us until the Invasion of Iraq (which, as we all know, had not a damn thing to do with 9/11)

posted by mrs. philby

Apologising for the enemy, isn't she cute little traitor?

"Right now I could live with Romney, Guilliani or Thompson barring any unforeseen bumps or craters in the road. "

Please fill in the blanks here, Grammie. As you requested I explained my reasons for supporting Kucinich relevant to his policies, and I would like to know what exactly about these candidates you find appealing.

Pro Al Gore?
How does that make him a liberal?

posted by wasted

Worth re posting..............

Sure SLOB.

I have always said that the first three requirements to me of any candidate is DEFENSE

Following that is the absolute minimum taxation and economic policies that foster growth and a bigger economic pie for all to partake of times 2.

All other things being equal, are they ever though, I look at social issues.

I don't know nearly enough to make any decision but from my admittedly limited knowledge of them so far I don't see any insurmontable roadblocks yet to any of those three as far as I am concerned.

Grammie

SLOB, I realize that you were burned when some asshole hijacked your name quite a while back. It has happened to many of us over time. I was not exactly overjoyed to see my name hijacked to make pro Nazi comments.

I sincerely would like to know how you and yours are doing. No details necessary just a general comment would be appreciated.

Grammie

"RK: Cleans horse shit on a daily basis.
(conservative)
Posted by: at December 29, 2007 1:44 AM"

I bow to your intimate and superior knowledge of horse shit, Chicken Blogger.

Or should we call you BOVINE SHIT BLOGGER?.

That does seem to be your area of expertise.

Grammie

BOVINE SHIT BLOGGER, I have never seen RK reference bovine manure.

It does seem to be a common thread though with you and your compadres.

I am mystified what in your past or present life causes such a spontaneous obsession with cow shit that you don't seem able to let the subject go.

Grammie

Thanks Patsy!

Grammie

Thanks Patsy!

Grammie

Is it true Olbermann is Muslim?

"Is it true Olbermann is Muslim?"

Is it true that you beat your spouse?

Chris Matthews has become a parody of himself... HAH!

Wow. Huckabee has a firm lead among Republicans in Iowa, even as he demonstrates daily his utter bafflement regarding the politics, crises, and geographical location of countries around the world that figure strongly in our foreign policy. What's more, his comical pheasant-hunting photo-op the other day demonstrated unequivocally that he doesn't even understand the saftey button on his expensive Italian shotgun! Doofus. And Huck's reaction to the Bhutto assassination? - demanding a crack-down on illegal immigrants from Pakistan!

Running second is Romney, who is caught in a new lie just about every other day:

"I watched my father march with Martin Luther King" - no you didn't, because he didn't.

"I enjoyed the support of the NRA in my campagn for Governor". This is news to the NRA, who supported Romney's Democratic opponent in that race.

etc. etc.

Ron Paul is a strong third. Gotta love it.

What happened to everybody's tailor-made Republican Hollywood daddy, Fred Thompson? Has he officially dropped his whim to be president, or has he just forgotten to wake up from a nap?

I was honored that the first attack by Sir Loin of Milquetoast (Lucy van Pelt) upon his long awaited return was directed at me.....I will cherish it forever!

Read some more of Lewis and Schulz, Lucy....you will find both male and female characters are equally faulted AND blessed....showered with grace.....Especially in Lewis' well-known Narnia series where it is the girls who are the only human witnesses to Aslan's saving sacrifice for their wayward brother....this was not by accident.

Oh and Loin, just in case you're interested....

My choices are:

John McCain
Rudy Giuliani
Mitt Romney
Fred Thompson

Why....Defense and the war on terrorism....

Huckabee is a NO, Paul is a NO for the same reasons.

The only Democratic candidate I would vote for is Obama.....Why?.....Because he seems to be the only sincere and open minded candidate the left can muster although I disagree with him on so much....but his character is his strength and he is young and new....

The others, including Kucinich, are retreads.
Have a nice day.

The others, including Kucinich, are retreads.
Have a nice day.

Posted by: cee at December 29, 2007 9:44 AM

Kucinich '08!

Pipe drean, Trent...no man who looks like the love child between Yoda and Gollum will ever achieve high national office.....

Too bad though....he is one true leftist in a pack of imposters trying to hide their worldviews....even Obama triangulates....oh well....the democrats have to do what they have to do to get elected.

"Read some more of Lewis and Schulz, Lucy....you will find both male and female characters are equally faulted AND blessed....showered with grace.....Especially in Lewis' well-known Narnia series where it is the girls who are the only human witnesses to Aslan's saving sacrifice for their wayward brother....this was not by accident."

If memory serves, Phari-cee, subsequent books in the series saw the older of these two girls cut out of the story and its endless grace-shower explicitly because she had started to "think about boys". This sort of thing made that old virgin Lewis very uncomfortable.

...and as for the lion's "sacrifice", just like with Jesus: What was really sacrificed? I've already expressed to you my impression of Christ's sacrifice as being analogous to a bad summer-camp experience briefly interrupting a series of blissful eternities as the adored prince of heaven. What exactly was sacrificed? The same question stands in regard to immortal lions who hold supreme executive power over a particular supernatural realm.

Now, when one takes the view that Jesus was really just a mortal social reformer who irritated political power with full knowledge of his peril, then we can start talking about sacrifice; Martin Luther King and Nathan Hale-style.

When one does not accept the concepts of original sin, holiness and atoning sacrifice one cannot understand the terrible thing Christ went through on the cross and the wonderous miracle that followed, Lucy....Oh....and it also requires something else you refuse to use.....faith.

But that aside....Christ's own words report what he was doing, whether you want to believe he said them or not....It is not rational to only believe something written because it agrees with your personal creation of what occurred and not believe other written things only a few sentences away....Like Lewis challeneges...either Christ was the son of God or He was a crazed lunatic....He left no room for the inbetween like you would irrationally argue.

But we have discussed this all before. And continue reading Narnia and you will find the grace available to Susan remains and even Lewis himself did not condmen Susan to some kind of misogynous hell....He was quoted as saying that her fate was still up to her....it is always a free choice, Lucy....and both men and women place idols befor God in those choices...including their own comfort and happiness. In Susan's case it was that, "she's interested in nothing now-a-days except nylons and lipstick and invitations." Sorry that insults your modern secularist prejudices. I rather think it teaches a valuable lesson on priorities.

I know your conclusions on superstitions places a huge wall to understanding the supernatural, as it has been expressed in the secularists inability to plainly see the worldviews of presecularism American leaders being firmly founded in the supernatural...but we just have to accept people where they are in their pilgramage.

"Pipe drean, Trent...no man who looks like the love child between Yoda and Gollum will ever achieve high national office....."'

Well, at least you admit that the election system that brings us the likes of Mitt Romney, Obama, and George W. Bush is analogous to nothing so much as American Idol.

...but that being the case, don't you think that a smoking hot Mrs Kucinich - with a tongue stud and wild torso tatoo - could be leveraged into unanticipated support from younger Americans obscessed with pop culture? Who doesn't love the movie where the dorky kid scores the babe?

" In Susan's case it was that, "she's interested in nothing now-a-days except nylons and lipstick and invitations." Sorry that insults your modern secularist prejudices."

Maybe so, but it is illustrative of Lewis's pekid misogyny, which I mentioned previously: Notice that it is not Peter who misses the Narnia bus due to a typical pubescent male's preoccupation with jacking off.

...and as for Lewis's ultimatum re: Jesus as God/Jesus as lunatic, it is as irrelevant as was that old newt's sexuality. The premises it requires are highly dubious.

"When one does not accept the concepts of original sin, holiness and atoning sacrifice one cannot understand the terrible thing Christ went through on the cross and the wonderous miracle that followed, Lucy....Oh....and it also requires something else you refuse to use.....faith."

...so you are unable to state what Jesus is supposed to have sacrificed? or even to discuss in some depth the nature of the sacrifice?

Kucinich '08!

Posted by: Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist at December 29, 2007 9:55 AM

Pipe dream, indeed! TFF! (*)------

Matthews is not liberal, he is an opportunist.

Posted by: Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist at December 28, 2007 8:11 PM

Chris Matthews - like so many in the media today - is simply infatuated with power, and obsessed with his own role as fluffer in the celebrity carnival that passes as our political system.

When the Democrats have a solid hold on power he will fawn and drool over them, but until then we must hear him refer to the retard princeling Bush as "Atticus Finch" who "shines with a sunny nobility". Repulsive sycophancy from a absolute stooge.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at December 28, 2007 10:00 PM

if anything, you both are describing Olbermann perfectly. Great Thanks.

Kucinich '08!

Posted by: Trent the Anarcho-Syndicalist at December 29, 2007 9:55 AM

My point (again, not that you EVER understood a point in your life) was that you claimed being ANTI-KERRY and PRO-BUSH in the election cycle

posted by wasted

Please, show me where I made this claim. You're twisting and spinning, now. Talk about stooping......

"I watched my father march with Martin Luther King" - no you didn't, because he didn't.

"I enjoyed the support of the NRA in my campagn for Governor". This is news to the NRA, who supported Romney's Democratic opponent in that race.

posted by slob

This reminds me of Hillary claiming to have 35 yrs experience. At what? It's scary to think what she could have possibly been referring to....Maybe Janet Reno could 'vouch' for her.

RK loves to lie about what he says and then says "SHOW ME I SAID THAT"...and expects people to spend time looking in the archives.

Posted by: at December 29, 2007 3:28 PM

That's because you can't, liar.

"Anti-Kerry" means he's not a liberal? Please. The fact that Olbermahn is anti-Obama means he's not liberal? Please......

Posted by: royal king at December 28, 2007 7:37 PM

Here it is, liar. Took me 30 seconds scrolling above to prove you wrong, again.

My point (again, not that you EVER understood a point in your life) was that you claimed being ANTI-KERRY and PRO-BUSH in the election cycle

posted by wasted

Big difference. Next?

I wouldn't use a name, either, if I was caught lying as much as you were, coward.

Just like you didn't support Thompson for president...just like you didn't imply Fox News was left wing when corrected with yet another error.....

posted by a huge coward-400+ I'm guessing

Never said either, did I, liar? Desperate, indeed.

TFF!!!!(*)-------

Just so we know what kind of losers the coward idolizes............A Puffer!

"Besides, "warming" tends to confuse people who aren't properly informed about the actual chaotic temperature shifts we're facing in the crisis known, in my vernacular, as Global Disaster."

The above quote comes from Bob Cesca on the famously liberal and severely fear-driven site Huffington Post. You can read anything from '9/11 was an inside job' to 'America is to blame for all the worlds problems' on this site. They basically run the gamut of far-left ideology.

What's the matter, coward? You were quick to 'defend' wasteds lies, yet, when proven wrong you start your usual lunatic cut and paste jobs?

Refer to my 4:03 post, coward. Stop diverting.

So, you're retracting your defense of wasted? That's what I thought.

RK loves to lie about what he says and then says "SHOW ME I SAID THAT"...and expects people to spend time looking in the archives.

Posted by: coward at December 29, 2007 3:28 PM

"Anti-Kerry" means he's not a liberal? Please. The fact that Olbermahn is anti-Obama means he's not liberal? Please......

Posted by: royal king at December 28, 2007 7:37 PM

>>Here it is, liar. Took me 30 seconds scrolling above to prove you wrong, again.

My point (again, not that you EVER understood a point in your life) was that you claimed being ANTI-KERRY and PRO-BUSH in the election cycle

posted by wasted

Next, coward?

Just another example of how Olbermann haters don't have a clue.

Posted by: coward at December 29, 2007 3:58 PM

Your usual MO is just to switch to another page after proved wrong or shown to be a liar.

Posted by:coward at December 29, 2007 4:27 PM

The 3:58 post was taken from the other thread, liar. Who switched/ran?

"and PRO-BUSH in the election cycle didn't equate to being a CONSERVATIVE."

What I mean and what I said are entirely different. I never brought up Bush. You threw that in after the fact and coward defended you w/out even knowing what he was defending, either. Blind leading the blind!

Everyone here seems to think that the context of your stupid idea is what I say it is.

posted by wasted

Who's "everyone?" You and the coward?

My point (again, not that you EVER understood a point in your life) was that you claimed being ANTI-KERRY and PRO-BUSH in the election cycle didn't equate to being a CONSERVATIVE.
posted by wasted

Please, show me where I made this claim. You're twisting and spinning, now. Talk about stooping......

Posted by: royal king at December 29, 2007 1:31 PM

"Anti-Kerry" means he's not a liberal? Please. The fact that Olbermahn is anti-Obama means he's not liberal? Please......

Posted by: royal king at December 28, 2007 7:37 PM

Try reading it very slow, this time. I never mentioned Bush. Stop trying to read my mind, too. "mike' has failed miserably at that, too.

BTW, no answer yet to whether or not you believe J$ when he called you a liar?
Crickets.
Shocker.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 29, 2007 5:05 PM

Johnny called me a liar? Really? You are relentless, to say the least. Nice diversion.

Here's one, cowey.

Max Follmer, a writer with the Huffington Post, is reporting that the alleged Sen. Trent Lott / Benjamin Nicholas affair never happened — and that there is no documenting information to support it. However, in no uncertain terms, there is — as Nicholas, Big Head DC and Larry Flynt know. Indeed, the denial posts from Nicholas that Follmer mentions in his piece as appearing on Nicholas’ blog are simply not there. Big Head DC also stands completely by our previous story that ABC newsman Sam Donaldson’s number appears in the records of alleged “DC Madam,” and that the ABC network covered up that fact when it reported Palfrey’s story in May.

Your usual MO is just to switch to another page after proved wrong or shown to be a liar.

Posted by:coward at December 29, 2007 4:27 PM

The 3:58 post was taken from the other thread, liar. Who switched/ran?

Posted by: royal king at December 29, 2007 4:42 PM

So now I'm not permitted to post on another page?

You are insane.
You need a life, a girlfriend, something.

Posted by:coward at December 29, 2007 5:10 PM

How's that egg in your face feel?

Helen Thomas Says You Bloggers are 'Dangerous'

By Warner Todd Huston | December 7, 2007 - 04:52 ET

I don't know... I don't feel that dangerous. But, gee, I guess I am? Well I might be, at least according to Helen Thomas, one of the most uncivil "reporters" in all of journalism. Apparently she has proclaimed that citizen journalists and bloggers are "dangerous" on a HuffPo blog of December 4. HuffPoster Seema Kalia reported an exchange with the equine visaged Thomas where she raised alarm over her fear of the common American citizen and that terribly annoying Internet thingie. Yes, folks she thinks that if you are a blogger or Internet writer you have no sense of "ethics" and you are "Dangerous." One wonders if she really knows any journalists at all if she thinks they show any sign of "ethics"?

Poor whittle patsy, playing the diversion card. Wipe the egg off your face and go take a nap.

Thanks, patsy! Go take your nap, now.

Where was I wrong, patsy?

Just as I thought, you got nothing, as usual. False accusations w/no proof. Twist, spin and divert.

What do we have here, a disgruntled olbyloon? Must be.

Oh, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle)....I see SOUND OF MUSIC is on tonight. You and Ms. blank-FLUCKER (cue 'Cause I'm a Woman, W-O-M-A-N) must be getting the kettlecorn and Pinot (or should I say Pinto) ready...

edelweiss, edelweiss......

I have observed, over the past several days, that your posts seem to fluctuate with the expression of manliness we are all so accustomed from you....you being the alpha-male and the self-proclaimed judge of all poster's value and humanity....

Ms. Von Trapp, um sorry I mean Ms. blank-FLUCKER (cue How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria) must have popped open the testicle lock box every now and then. I am sure she is ready to allow use after Captian Von Trapp does his work...."oh Christopher!"

cee, did you catch this doozie?

That warrants only one (1) response, Johnnie-Jeff:

Ooo eee,ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla, bing bang
Ooo eee ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla bing bang...
Ooo eee ,ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla ,bing bang
Ooo eee ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla bing bang

Since you didn't deny your are dense, and under your system of logic, a non-denial is a confirmation, i.e you are dense, I should repeat:

Ooo eee,ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla, bing bang
Ooo eee ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla bing bang...
Ooo eee ,ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla ,bing bang
Ooo eee ooo ah ah ting tang
Walla walla bing bang

I think that says it all.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at December 29, 2007 10:25 PM

Is it a coincidence that twenty-five percent is also the number of people who, in an AP poll of predictions for 2007, said they expect Jesus Christ to return this year!? I don't think it is."

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at December 30, 2007 7:21 PM

I'll be waiting for you!

What a pleasant post from the religious bigot, Professor Honeydew, or my affectionate name for him, mental midget....

I would suggest you and the other mental midget, Bill Maher, research those numbers some more....The 25% numbers are for those who like what Congress is doing lately.....Bush is more like in the mid to upper 30's and is the most respected man in the country garnering 10% (the most of the men) ....ooooo weeee....

http://www.news10.net/display_story.aspx?storyid=36686

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So, dear wannawipe....try again....being religiously hateful goes with your world view but your facts need some help....

Oh and RK.....Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) is incapable of forming complete, grammatically correct posts while anticipating part of his sick Austrian sexual fantasy, SOUND OF MUSIC....he was too busy trying on his lederhosen.....

At the top of Phari-cee's list of potential candidates the other day was John McCain...

Not surprisingy, the WaPo has just revealed McCain as a shameless, hypocritical corporate whore.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/30/AR2007123002848_pf.html

Better a corporate whore with a distinguished military career, serivce to the country and 100% support for the troops and the war against militant islamic totalitarianism, Sir Loin of Milquetoast.....

The democratic candidates?.....

Corporate whore Hillary Clinton.....likely to place second or first in IOWA.....nada military record, scant national service record...oh and wait....I supported the war now I don't....but is unwilling to stop Bush....

Faux populist slip-and-fall lawyer candidate John Edwards....also high up in IOWA.....same problem....NO experience on national security and basically a reformed war supporter...finger in the wind leader....

Ah the next generation and all around nice guy Obama....also no distinguished service career BUT life experience as a minority and Christ in his heart.....why does this man not run away with the democratic nomination already?

Like Mike so astutely posted....Obama v. McCain would be a nice change.....but obviously some far leftists just don't like Obama....could it be that Christ is my Lord problem, uh?

Oh well.....not surprised here!

Read the WaPo article, Phari-cee. McCain's slutting far outstrips Hillary's - he's got twice the number of lobbyist/bundlers at the top of his donor list than she does. Giuliani, your second pick, runs second to McCain in this regard across the entire field.

Sure Hillary is a corporate whore; quit running away from your own problems by attributing any degree of support for that slut to me. Kucinich the guy I support.

Military service? You are amazing. You honor military service only when it comes packaged with neocon war-mongering. You and yours repeatedly slander the service of Kerry, Murtha, Cleland, etc. to the degree that you have squandered your credibility in this regard.

"Sure Hillary is a corporate whore; quit running away from your own problems by attributing any degree of support for that slut to me. Kucinich the guy I support."

To elaborate, Phari-cee; You have stated unequivocally that Huckabee is someone you cannot support; and as a result I leave him out of my assaults on your irrational political judgement and fascistic personal morality, despite the fact that this idiotic preacher-man appears to be heading the GOP pack in Iowa.

Yet you never fail to attribute the hypocrisy and political cowardice of Hillary to me when these issues arise, despite my enless repudiations of she and her like. I take this decietful but futile tactic on your part as evidence of your utter factual and rational bankruptcy.
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I just deal in the reality of your political leaders, Lucy....You choose what you post and not taking into account the current state of the polls and political landscape is your choice....Oh and the BIG difference between Huckabee and Clinton as front-runners is that Clinton is the party choice....almost every high profile person in your ruling class has endorced Hillary...Huckabee is the republican establishment's worst nightmare because of his outsider status and appeal to the evangelical community...one I am an active part of by the way and have come to the rational conclusion that Mr. Huckabee is not right on national security and the war on terrorism.

No Lucy, your Chickenhawk argument once again fails....I have been and always will be a judge of actions, not a reactionary on perceptions or prejudices....I supported McCain in 2000, based on his biography and views....Bush was a second choice like Giuliani is for me now....right on most of the important issues....especially national security and with decent resumes.

The funny thing, especially with claimed service members like Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle), or as he is currently calling himself today, A N O N O M Y O U S, is that he will cry about the political realities and tough campaign styles used against his like-minded candidates, yet use the slimey and irrational chickenhawk argument.....just like you regarding the Iraq War....Oh where have the noble and pure gone?

I can handle the chickenhawk attacks, just as Cheney and Bush have these near 8 years now and they continue to succeed and garner majority support from the military families and troops while the democrats, even those with distinguished records, fail to achieve their goals or the Bush/Cheney popularity among the troops.

Politics is rough....chickenhawk argument or resume padding argument (Kerry, Cleland, etc)

Next....Lucy will say the troops support Bush because of the required suspension of will all military robots achieve in serving the country....I love this tact.....

Oh and McCain can get all of the corporate money legally due him because I have no problem with capitalism and the free market determining such things....I trust McCain not to be deciding issues based on who donated money to his election campaign.....unlike the special interest money received from people like the slip and fall lawyer Edwards and the shill and divisive Clinton who are beholden to narrow interest groups no different than the business interests.....

You see Lucy...I deal in reality....unlike you....dealing in somekind of conspiracy laden bogeyman world filled with fear and loathing....this in the left's lie....I am glad to discuss this further with you with or without the input from the Austrian fetish Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle).

Oh and the BIG difference between Huckabee and Clinton as front-runners is that Clinton is the party choice....almost every high profile person in your ruling class has endorced Hillary...Huckabee is the republican establishment's worst nightmare because of his outsider status and appeal to the evangelical community...one I am an active part of by the way and have come to the rational conclusion that Mr. Huckabee is not right on national security and the war on terrorism.

Hey Douchebag...I'm one of the outsiders to the Democrats. All of my political money, time and influence (such as it is) goes to Kucinich, the guy that the party "leaders" strive to ignore.

...and I didn't even come close to launching the "Chickenhawk argument" above, Douchebag. I merely mentioned that your decarations of "respect" for military service among political candidates is limited to those who share your specific right-wing proclivities. Your response in regard to this issue is yet another example of your knee-jerk approach to protecting your tender underbelly, totally unconnected with facts or matters being discussed. You are not even funny anymore.

...and since you brought it up; Enlist, you cowardly chickenhawk! Make an honest war-monger of yourself.

Look at who attacked who, Lucy....out of the blue you chirp a corporatist whore label on McCain in attacking my current presidential preferences and say, "your response in regard to this issue is yet another example of your knee-jerk approach to protecting your tender underbelly, totally unconnected with facts or matters being discussed." This after your attack, "At the top of Phari-cee's list of potential candidates the other day was John McCain...

"Not surprisingy, the WaPo has just revealed McCain as a shameless, hypocritical corporate whore."

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I read the link, I have no ideological issue with McCain's behavior in context of his service and worldview....You attacked me personally, Lucy....defending myself in the context of your previous tactics is a valid course to choose.

Your self-proclaimed moderate voice and ally, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) post scripted your attack and I just like to kill two birds with one stone.....Sorry.

I, like the majority of Americans, support and benefit from the socioeconomic structure that has evolved over the 200+ history of this country. It is the American society that many want radical change to and I disagree....Some are more covert in their goals....you are not one of them, and I actually appreciate, applaud and respect you for it.....

Unlike some chameleons on this board....cue OLD SPICE jingle.....

"Oh and the BIG difference between Huckabee and Clinton as front-runners is that Clinton is the party choice....almost every high profile person in your ruling class has endorced Hillary...Huckabee is the republican establishment's worst nightmare because of his outsider status and appeal to the evangelical community...one I am an active part of by the way and have come to the rational conclusion that Mr. Huckabee is not right on national security and the war on terrorism."

...andI really like the way your post reflects once again your entirely elitist view of democracy: the GOP grass-roots are to be ignored in their vapid admiration of Huckabee, and their choice relegated to irrelevancy, while the the party leaders and "high profile persons" of both sides of the aisle are to be explicitly the only opinions recognized and acted upon. You've expressed this intrinsic view again and again in various careless ways, and it never fails to disgust me.

Enlist, you chickenhawk Douchebag!

Cee,

Sharon here. Merry Christmas and blessings to you and yours this coming year. I would like to suggest a web site to you that you may find more palatable then here. It is called the Jawa Report, very conservative but differing views. There are no "old spice" types, at least not ones that last, in the comment sections. You have to pick and choose because the administrators do post some ribald material at times, but the political headlines, world news events are prevalent. You won't get the same back and forth here because there are multiple posts each day.

An example of what I mean concerns the varying views of McCain. Some abhor his stance on immigration and will never vote for him. Others are willing to overlook it. You have written about Joe Lieberman and your respect for him. If he would change his pro-life position (did not oppose partial birth abortion), I would love to see him as a candidate. I don't know why he holds that horrid position (he gets a public rebuke by strict adherers to the Jewish faith at the pro-life rally each January). I tend not to believe he is a sell out like Kucinich who held an admirable, courageous position until he sold out to The Nation upon its publishing an article questioning Kucinich's ability to represent the progressive movement. I wish Lieberman would flip flop in the right direction, unlike Kucinich and like Romney.

In any case, I wanted to pass on these thoughts while you were on board.

Wrong side of the bed this AM, Lucy.....

The pathology of the political system is far worse on the left than on the right, Lucy, yet you dare critique McCain's legal use of the system and never complain about the party ordained candidate, Hillary, behavior.

John McCain has been written off by the right's establishment and he has steadily used the grass roots to build a new support base to now he is competative....along with Huckabee...the other outsider....sorry you overlook that fact, Lucy.

Why can't Kucinich get the same result on the left, Lucy?....I believe because the democrats are actually more controlled by people behind the curtain and less affected by grass-roots actvism than the repubs....we shall see....

slob, loosen the ankle bracelet, it seems to cutting circulation to your brain.

Why can't Kucinich get the same result on the left, Lucy?....I believe because the democrats are actually more controlled by people behind the curtain and less affected by grass-roots actvism than the repubs....we shall see....
Posted by: cee at December 31, 2007 11:57 AM

I would give another example of Ron Paul to support this point. He certainly garnered more support than Kucinich.

Thanks Sharon.

To be honest, and even though there are periods it seems I never mention Olbermann, I enjoy coming here only to see his latest vendetta and perhaps respond. The additional teaser political or social arguments take me in but it seems that many are alienated, even physically alarmed, by my stances.

The war is a very imprtant matter to me for reasons I have never mentioned, and won't. This site seems a nice forum to continue to remind some that terrorism is an ideology.....not a tactic...once one chooses guerilla warfare or terrorism, one has abandoned something for something more radical....an ideology, period.

Saddam Hussein embraced terrorism....hence my reaction to the lie that invading Iraq and removing him legally was not a part of the war against radical islamic totalitarianism....

and the continued support of anti-terrorism entities in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, wherever to advance freedom of religion and thought is an important American value....

I enjoy defending myself against the accusations and vice versa, but it also seems that some are more comfortable throwing barbs and not defending those barbs as it applies to me (cue OLD SPICE jingle)....That's ok to because I do enjoy responding anyway. Mr. blank-FLUCKER is just the latest chameleon leftist/elitist to try to usurp the discussion.

I will check out the site you recommended.

Happy New Year to you and your's.

"The war is a very imprtant matter to me for reasons I have never mentioned, and won't. This site seems a nice forum to continue to remind some that terrorism is an ideology.....not a tactic...once one chooses guerilla warfare or terrorism, one has abandoned something for something more radical....an ideology, period."

Such childish, self-serving compartmentalization. Of course, to Phari-cee, our destruction of Fallujah and its populace with white phosphorus and napalm was not "terrorism", but instead something else; approved by Jesus - because of its huge price-tag and curtting-edge technology, perhaps.

This view, expressed vapidly in the pointless and poorly made "Charlie Wilson's war", does not recognize the fact that the Mujahedin "freedom-fighters" who were championed in their fight against the Soviet occupiers of Afghanistan are the same people - led by the same individuals - that attacked us on 9/11. Furthermore; our oldest and most consistent allies in Bush's "war on terror" - the Iraqi Kurds and their PPK - are now the focus of US-sanctioned attacks by Turkey, because of "terrorism" that predates our invasion of Iraq, 9/11, and most of the 20th century.

"The pathology of the political system is far worse on the left than on the right, Lucy, yet you dare critique McCain's legal use of the system and never complain about the party ordained candidate, Hillary, behavior."

You are an exasperating partisan stooge, Phari-cee. Never complain? I always complain about Clinton; I complained about her to you this morning in very harsh language -but your arguments deal in nothing but what you construct in your petulent mind to defend you indefensible positions.

Why has Kucinich not garnered the same suport that Huckabee and Paul are experienceing on the right? I'd have to say its because of the utter ruin that Bush has wrought in your rudderless party; while the mainstream Democrats retain a fingernail's grasp on party cohesion; so they remain in the televise culture a functional viaduct for the will of the mega-corporations that systemically fund both parties in our diseased system. But don;t worry; I predict (or at least pray) that the sheepish centrist Dems will soon similarly look to their own judgement and will learn to disdain the offerings of the mainstream media.

....and while the US is as much a terrorist actor as are our adversaries, we also appear to share a bloodthirsty theological bent with them as well: Check out the pictures on this link.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122107J.shtml

I've tried to find Sharon's new haunt the "Jawa Report", but it seems to be inaccessible. There are complaints floating around out there that this "Star Wars" themed website (literally - I was able to find one view of its title bar, which features a scene from "Tatooin", and "Jawa" apparently refers to those little hooded car-jackers that live there) has been "hacked by Islamisists", and is a recent victim in the "War on Terror". HA HA HA....

Phari-cee sees the world as the Christo-fantasy realm of Narnia; Sharon prefers the hyper-driven, rehashed horse-opera themes of Mr. Lucas....so much for serious interpretation from the right!

This Jason Leopold?

"We wonder if the folks over at Truthout.org are rethinking their affiliation with reporter and serial fabulist Jason Leopold. Leopold, you may recall, is the freelance reporter who was caught making stuff up in a 2002 Salon.com article, self-admittedly “getting it completely wrong” in pieces for Dow Jones, and had his own memoir cancelled because of concerns over the accuracy of the report."

http://www.cjr.org/politics/jason_leopold_caught_sourceles.php

This Jason Leopold?

We now have an intriguing suggestion by John Gibson that David Shuster's problems in predicting Karl Rove's indictment might have been because he relied on a totally unreliable source---the notorious Jason Leopold, a senior editor for the factually challenged TruthOut. In the May 13, 2006 edition of TruthOut, Leopold boldly stated that Karl Rove had already been indicted the previous day. During his radio show interview yesterday with Leopold, Gibson attacked the TruthOut senior editor for his complete lack of credibility regarding Karl Rove. At the tail end of the interview came this fascinating question repeated twice by Gibson:

Are you still feeding David Shuster information? Are you still feeding David Shuster information?

When Leopold nervously declined to answer, Gibson stated, "I'll take that as a 'yes'."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2007/08/14/john-gibson-suggests-jason-leopold-was-source-david-shusters-msnbc-rep

so much for serious interpretation from the right!

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at December 31, 2007 3:11 PM

So much for your 'truthout' hog wash.

So I guess RK is suggesting that Leopold faked these photos of US troops and terrorists all brandishing their holy books with their weapons.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122107J.shtml

Poor lizard brain.

I was just pointing out that 'truthout' and Leopold have serious credibility issues. Those pics could easily be staged or phony. Not saying they are, just a probability. Are you condoning or defending Leopolds past, slob?

"I was just pointing out that 'truthout' and Leopold have serious credibility issues."

Evidence please.

Wow. I just visited Sharon's new news site of record and I just have one word to describe it:
SCARY.

It's not my new news site and I have referred to it several times with the same caveat. Someone reading the bestiality comments here might also be taken aback.

1. Happy New Year Jawa

2. By Request

Here you go, Leapofaith. A cool video starring the OH58 Kiowa.

3.
New Word?

Lawtard?

Mike, being a Marine, overcame and adapted by driving around the block to the other end of the street and backing up all the way to his friend's place.

While saying goodbye, at about 11am, he noticed a man leaning up against his car. Mike left his friend's apartment and caught the man keying his car on multiple sides.

4. Nervous Insurgents

5. California Schoolchildren to Decide Their Own Sex (True)

6. British Catholic Schools Under Fire

7. Bhutto Assasination Video

The first seven posts on the Jawa Report.

But you found the first ribald one you could.

What a friggin hypocrite. I know Sharon didn't write the article,

Evidence please.

Posted by: at December 31, 2007 7:22 PM

For the mentally challenged, just scroll up, cowy. There are 2 out hundreds more. Want to see them, too?

THE NEXT SEVERAL POSTS

The FredHeads Spend the Weekend Mixing it Up in Iowa

Heard Anything Good Lately?

People's Cube PWNS Iranian Media

The Stable of Zionist Whores (probably ribald)

My Navin Johnson Moment (link to something that may be ribald)

New bin Laden Video on Islamic State of Iraq (Update: Video Added) (Update: bin Laden MURDERED?)(UPDATE: WTF is Adam Gadahn?)

*Do you even know who Adam is?

You really took a good look at the site.

"For the mentally challenged, just scroll up, cowy."

Well better get to scrolling RK

Miss France 2008 Banned From Miss Universe Pageant. (ribald pic)

FredHeads Road-Trip it to Iowa for Fred

ABC News: Heterosexuals Are 'Perverts' (Bluto is not my name)

Al Qaeda Cyberpussies Now Ripping Off The Knack (ribald title) LOOK AT WHO TYPES IN ALL CAPS HERE-WHERE IS YOUR CONDEMNATION!)

Vermont Activist Advocates Open Treason

Good News: Australian Taliban Goes Free as Supporters Mob Car

The next group.

Well better get to scrolling RK

Posted by: at December 31, 2007 7:41 PM

I hear the puffer calling you, run along, troll.

"I hear the puffer calling you, run along, troll."

No, it just the sound of your drool gently falling in the snow.

The Jawa Report links to here. What does that make you coming to this site? The political view points are on the conservative spectrum. Their personalities are their own.

I skip the posts that are obviously not politically relevant or newsworthy. I listed about the first 15 posts IN ORDER. You found the most controversial one and on the one hand, admitted that I didn't write the article and that I stated storied were ribald, yet you state that I condone them. Don't you get that your opinions about me are totally irrelevant? You misrepresented the site. You don't want anyone to stray from here. How would you devote your energy? The comment was to Cee anyways, but you are SO attention starved that you can't resist.

Okay Beavis, we heard the word the first time.

The first seven posts on the Jawa Report.
But you found the first ribald one you could.
>>Um, no, I scanned ALL of them, and read some. Nothing noteworthy.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 31, 2007 10:42 PM

What's the adresss? All I can come up with over google are a bunch of linked stories that don't load.

I was just pointing out that 'truthout' and Leopold have serious credibility issues. Those pics could easily be staged or phony. Not saying they are, just a probability. Are you condoning or defending Leopolds past, slob?

You are not very bright Wasted.

(you) In between links to beheadings and other similar war-type news there are some other anti-mainstream media stories.

-On the side bar, there is a list of about 30 categories, one of which is beheadings. The administrators state the purpose is to demonstrate the mindset of terrorist groups and radicals (in various parts of the world). That is their purpose, not mine. I scan the Jawa Report as another means of receiving information. In any case, "bewteen links to beheadings" is completely inaccurate.

I never claimed that the Jawa Report is a source of news but a site that has a conservative slant (politically wise) with ribald posts that I skip. I listed the posts to show that there are not links to beheadings.

*The author dehumanizes the kids with gender confusion so as to make their plight silly. Shows the flavor of the site, but nothing worth repeating.

From the post:

The Los Angeles Unified School District has already adopted policies allowing boys to use girls' restrooms and locker rooms ---- and vice versa! You can read LAUSD's Reference Guide 1557 on the district's Web site.

It even tells teachers they need to refer to students using the student's preferred pronoun. And of course, it prohibits the teachers from disclosing a student's chosen gender to the student's parents.

*Do you even know who Adam is?
>> I'm ok if I don't see the latest BinLaden video.

Adam Gadahn is a traitor from California who works for al qaeda and has provided English translations for tapes. The latest tapes released have no English translation, hence where is Adam Gadahn?

*New Word? Lawtard?

I only pasted part of the atory. You have to read the link to know what happened (lawyer screwing over a marine about to deploy after damaging his car)

Sir Loin of Beef:
Here is the address:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Sir Loin of Beef,

I know your opinion of me, but if you can get to the aite, I would be curious as to whether you would portray Wasted's synopsis of the Jawa Report as an accurate representation. You will obviously not find your views there, and it is a slanted view. You might actually find some of the ribald stuff humorous. I scan for my interests.

Didn't watch it. I'm not 14, and I don't need assassination videos or Faces of Death type stuff to get my attention. I know she was assassinated. I don't think they did it by kissing her to death. I get the message.

-From the post
CNN has the video up here.
I guess CNN is off limits also?

You described the site in words as follows:

"In between links to beheadings and other similar war-type news"

Lie. There are no posts "in between links to beheadings."

Here is a second deliberate misrepresentation

WASTED SAYS:

"ABC News: Heterosexuals are 'Perverts'"

The story goes on to tell the story about a police sting operation being held in Columbus OH.

WRONG:

TWO different people posted commentary about a topless woman used in a sting operation. The story didn't "go on." The second guy inserted a link and summarized exactly what occurred from ABC NEWS, which began its story as follows:

"Robin Garrison, an off-duty 42-year-old firefighter, was walking in Berliner Park in Columbus, Ohio, in May when he saw a woman sunbathing topless under a tree.

He approached her and they started talking and getting comfortable, the woman smiling and resting her foot on his shoulder at one point.

Eventually, she asked to see Garrison's penis; he unzipped his pants and complied."
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4022717&page=1
He then defended the man. HE did. I didn't.

(Me from above)

You have to pick and choose because the administrators do post some ribald material at times, but the political headlines, world news events are prevalent. (my quote)

- The posts were from December 31, not a heavy news day.

Thanks for maliciously painting someone in a false light. Maybe you will make 2008 a year of repentance.

Judge Wasted:

"They can defend a heterosexual guy showing his penis in a park in daylight for whatever reason they want."
Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 1:42 AM

Response as reported by ABC NEWS:

"But such operations veer dangerously close
to entrapment, say lawyers, civil libertarians and defendants who've been caught in sting operations."

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/Story?id=4022717&page=1

If I put porn on a site and claimed it was for a specific reason it wouldn't make it more palatable to anyone that didn't want to see it.
Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 1:42 AM

I think you need to bring that up to the people/person who speak(s) of bestiality on this site.

Since you are not that intellectually curious, Wasted, a question was asked in the comment section of one of the Bhutto posts as to why it matters how she was killed. Another pointed out that it could be that some would rather see the cause of her death reported as the result of striking her head instead of her being viewed as a martyr. It's okay, Bush is seen as intellectually incurious as well and he is POTUS.

You can defend whatever the hell you want to out here. I quoted directly from the story I read. And again, I'm glad to see you defend the hetero guy just trying to bust a nut in a public park, which you did again by posting how ABC is calling it dangerously close to entrapment. In one breath you dismiss the story as "ribald" and in another you post why its defensible. I don't think Jesus or God cares much about the legality of entrapment when someone's pulling their stuff out where kids could be playing. But I guess we all pray to different Gods.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 10:17 AM

Yeah. Evidently you worship a god who's all for contrived stances meted out for maximum tediousness, whereby adherents swallow a camel while straining at any gnat they can coax into the general vicinity.

And this solely in order to be as idiotically oppositional as possible.

Not to mention a deity who has no problem with your having "exposed" yourself on a public blog completely unconcerned about the age of anyone who might venture by.

How nice to know that even obtuse degenerate clowns like yourself have moments of reverence...

Please let me know. I care so deeply what self-righteous fake Christians think.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 11:36 AM

Oh, you've already proven that you care what we think. Otherwise you could have made whatever "point" you had in mind...when you pulled out your own junk here.... and done it without the need to take on another name. You wouldn't have been so incensed at Johnny for "exposing " you either.

That's good to care, WK.... go with that...

Your god has left you without a sense of irony, perspective, or abstract concepts, but thank goodness for the rest of us, he has given you a small sense of shame.

There was never any condoning of showing of genitals except by the people that ABC news quoted. No, my God does not condone showing of genitals. He also does not condone what you are attempting to do.

Wasted is just a waste of time, Cecelia.

I almost have to wonder if St. Sharon the Sullen had a pecuniary interest in this new site.

The Jawa Report does a good job of keeping up to date. I am just sick inside. This could be the turning point for me to say get our guys home now.
Posted by: Sharon at May 12, 2007 11:53 PM

I didn't go out of my way at all. It was your claim that the person who wrote the second post was defending the act. I quoted from the article from which the story was abstracted. You might want to check out Jane's post on Yemen. Jane has been trying to draw attention to the plight of the innocent people (including children) who are rounded up, detained and tortured. If you would rather focus on the seedier stories, I guess that is your problem.

To just keep yourself honest, I think you should refrain from commenting here because if you check the list of Keith Watcher's on OW's home page, you'll find a link to the Jawa Report. Don't compromise yourself. It may reflect badly on you.

But I never mentioned the story from which the Jawa story was abstracted.

Please help me. Lord. The link is in the story. Don't think I'll be accepting your rendition of the facts. Things tend to get a little blurry.

I am off to a better place.

Bye.
Say hi to Princess Leia & C3PO for me.

Posted by: wasted keystrokes at January 1, 2008 2:25 PM

You can take Olbermanns penis out of your mouth anytime, now.

"You can take Olbermanns penis out of your mouth anytime, now."

Said 2:31 to his mom.

There's a funny thing about opinions; I'm allowed to have one. I don't have to comment on every single thing on the site to validate your side. I can stick to the most ridiculous thing I've read in months if I choose.

Posted by: wasted keystrokes at January 1, 2008 2:24 PM

Your penchant for sticking to anything ridiculous notwithstanding...in this case you're merely sticking with being oppositional for the sake of being oppositional.

At the same time, I have to admit to myself that it could be that you aren't being willfully obtuse, that you really are involuntarily and reflexively-- utterly obtuse...You probably don't know the difference between an argument concerning the legal question of entrapment and a wholesale endorsement (rather than the "we're all human and I'd probably do this too" defense) of bad behavior.

Then again, if someone here was defending vile public speech in the sense of defending free speech, I doubt you'd be accusing them of suggesting that God is "for" using the f-word in public... unless the person defending free speech was someone you don't like.

It now occurs to me that I don't have to chose between your being obtuse or dishonest. You can be and probably are --both.

My guess is you would be disgusted.
You choose now to act like you're capable of determining legal right from wrong as opposed to moral right from wrong.
Again, good for you.

I wonder why someone so Christian as yourself would CARE to make such a determination.
Oh yea, you're a hypocrite, that's why.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 4:11 PM

First of all I'd like you cut and paste where I have called myself a "good chrstian" or "amazingly intelligent". I've never thought of myself as being a Christian rather than being able to discuss Christian tenets or being anything more than average above-average intelligence.

However, you and many here like you obviously know nothing about Christianity when you attempt to discuss iti and are not very bright in the first place.

Whether a victim or a victim's family appreciates the fact that the law makes room for mitigating circumstances makes not a whit of difference.

It is utterly illogical to argue that a position defending, or calling upon the law's consideration of such circumstances, is tantamount to condoning the criminal action and is therefore an "Unchristian" position.

If you're going to work to put a dead fly in the oil of any discussion by a political opponent here, can't you at least try to make it bigger than a gnat?

And now here we are.
A good Christian like you telling an unwashed idiot like me how intelligent and aware of Christ's teachings you are.

Please turn your frontal lobe back on now. My explanation (hopefully the last one on the subject) is done.
Please commence to using your rapier wit and superior morality to defend Sharon and RK.
I bow down to your supreme intelligence.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 5:09 PM

Though according to yourself....you're just a good guy who never judges the lifestyles of others....(you just paint the board with repellent and extreme examples of them in order to shock and insult others) and though you're just a simple honest guy (trying like hell to put invalidate any discussion from a political opponent via a position on a blogboard that Sharon linked)..... you are STILL a guy who has repeatedly called at least two people hypocritical and unchristian by supporting indecent exposure, merely for arguing that the topic of entrapment is a little more complex than you've portrayed, as is the blogger's argument.

You don't need to bow to superior intelligence, you merely need to make a new year's resolution to quit being a dishonest slimeball.

Now please commence with defending the legality of showing your genitals in a public park. Jesus would be proud.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 5:47 PM

Hence, the term, dishonest slime ball. Why do you hate women, so much? Neither one of them "defended" indecent exposure. By stating it was "borderline entrapment" defends it? Did you read the FULL article? The guy in question said he used to see the woman all the time in the park topless, he just happened to stop and talk with her one day. She put her leg up on his shoulder, topless, mind you, and ASKED him to show her his penis. Are you gay? I'm not saying I would have whipped mine out in the park, but, it would taken all the strength I could muster up not to, as a man in my sexual prime and proud of it. I would have said "heck yea, but, not here."

did paint the board with repellent and extreme examples of Phony Soldier's "humor", and I do consider myself honest. You calling me a dishonest slimeball has no teeth. You telling me I need a certain resolution is laughable. Why don't you just tell me I need to go to confession?

You are so used to the righty sycophants out here that portray you and Sharon as something you're not that you can't handle when I call you out on your not-so-Christian positions.

Now please commence with defending the legality of showing your genitals in a public park. Jesus would be proud.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 5:47 PM

What you consider yourself to be "has no teeth" and simply reveals an obvious lack of insight.

You ostensively hijacked another man's name in order to make a caricature of his thinking, by writing things far more offensive and homophobic than the man had written and conveniently insulting yet another political opponent in the process.

Now you accuse other political opponents of being hypocrites and of being unchristian, based upon a willful mischaracterization of their words.

You aren't even an honest idiot.

but, it would taken all the strength I could muster up not to, as a man in my sexual prime and proud of it. I would have said "heck yea, but, not here."

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 7:05 PM

Heck, no! WK would have wanted to near a computer where he could post a complete account, heedless that any OWer's child might view the board via merely pushing the history setting on their parent's computer.

"Heck, no! WK would have wanted to near a computer where he could post a complete account, heedless that any OWer's child might view the board via merely pushing the history setting on their parent's computer"

You are suggesting that a man exposing himself in public is the equivelent of posting an account of the event online?

"You are the one who couldn't even bring yourself to say that her RW website was wrong on such a stupid position."

Since you admitted to your limited intelligence, I apologize and will explain as clearly as I can. First, I clearly stated to pick and choose topics. A headline that reads ABC News: Heterosexuals Are 'Perverts' tells me much about the topic. Yemen's Intifada (a post from today) would be a topic about which I would read further on.

Now, you read two posts about the sting operation and took offense at the one authored by someone named Bluto. Understandable. You were implying if not directly stating that the actions of the perpetrator, regardless of the conditions under which the act occurred was unpardonable by society's norms. I merely pointed out that civil libertarians and others have defended the perpetrator, not that I did. If I saw a topless woman sunbathing and closely sitting with a man, I would veer the children away. But that is besides the point.

You also painted the site as one in which beheading links were interspersed with daily posts. That is not true.

There are many other points not worth rehashing.

Please show me a comment where I called myself an exemplary Christian or even implied it. I'll then show you several where I claimed the opposite. But then, you already knew that.

I would like to suggest a web site to you that you may find more palatable then here. It is called the Jawa Report, very conservative but differing views. There are no "old spice" types, at least not ones that last, in the comment sections. You have to pick and choose because the administrators do post some ribald material at times, but the political headlines, world news events are prevalent.

You are suggesting that a man exposing himself in public is the equivelent of posting an account of the event online?

Posted by: at January 1, 2008 7:41 PM

In kind but not degree.

If you're going to call other people hypocrites, unchristian, and apologists for those who would risk exposing their genitals to children, don't do it after you've written a trash heap of the most mentally deranged pornography on a public website where any child could venture by and see it.

That's so simple a concept I think even WK can grasp it.

Cecelia,

WK does not care the least about the issue. He saw my post to Cee about the Jawa Report, misrepresented the site, gave his own commentaries on posts in a very slipshod manner, all because it was MY suggestion to Cee. The feigned appearance of being offended. The drama.

"I was kind of shocked. This is where St. Sharon of Crawford now chooses to get her news and share like-minded views with fellow conservatives."

I also pointed put a comment from last May where I referenced the Jawa Report (soldiers captured). It is not my new site for me, but it is definitely a controversial one. I have found some of the comments interesting, but again, you have to sift. But it is not like here.

Excuse my new name from above. I could not make it very well as a shifter.

And Cecelia would've had a problem with it, only because I wasn't insulting rope smokers.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 9:05 PM

Ignoring a foul mouthed creep is rather different from not having "a problem" with him.

I merely asked if there were several people posting under one name.

Johnny verified it. You then went into selective and ...considering the circumstances of your behavior... hilariously pretentious moral indignation.

You've been on that tact since.

Last I read, the Church finally agreed that the sun is the center of our universe. Has there been a Bull issued overnight that tells us St. Sharon is the center of the universe?

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 1, 2008 9:20 PM

Not to worry, Clucker... the Pope has issued an exception for you on account of the intensity of your focus on RK.

Yes, you're an idiot. Yes, you're entitled to your idiotic opinion. What's you're not entitled to do is to mischaracterize some blogger's argument in order to call other folks apologists for crime.

I don't find Phony Soldier's rants very offensive. What I find more offensive is the way supposed righteous folk say nothing. There is only a religious nature when its convenient.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 9:27 PM

No, you don't, otherwise you'd have been just as offended by your fellow liberals who did not upbraid you for your words to RK.

Sharon,

What can I say. You are currently in the position of having Wasted Keystrokes chiding you for linking to website he finds morally questionable, when he's not engaged in chiding you for being a judgmental uptight prig...

We're stuck with the loony-left insane clown posse here. I suggest you just enjoy them in all their tumultuous glory... :D

Amen, sister : )

I wish you a prosperous 2008.

Amen, sister : )

I wish you a prosperous 2008.

Posted by: Sharon at January 1, 2008 9:48 PM

Back at ya! To you and to everyone! :D

Another of your delusions.
I have NO moral compass that I spout out here.
The only thing I care to call people on is hypocrisy. Show me another example and I'll admit you're right.
Otherwise you're lying.

You're great at looking into the souls of everyone out here. You really are next to God.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 9:42 PM

You mean you've called selective people out on their so-called hypocrisy... so you don't even do that honestly.

As far as a appealing to something other than hypocrisy, you need look no further than your attempts today to call a blogger (whose religious views you don't know) an apologist for public exhibitionism and child endangerment for merely venturing an opinion about the legal concept of entrapment.... and all in order to call Sharon (whose views you do know and dislike) an apologist for those things as well.

But then...insight isn't your forte either...

Its not the liberals who run on Family Values platforms and bring religion into politics.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 9:57 PM

If anyone had any thoughts whatsoever that this idiot really cared about anyone else in the world, let alone anyone Phony Soldier ridiculed, here's exhibit A that you're wrong.

I wish it were possible for me to join the Wiener Fan Club and Opus Dei so that I could give the sort of support to Johnnie-Jeff and St. Sharon the Sullen you believe is their due. Alas! There are principles to which I must be true, even at the expense of not gratifying you.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 1, 2008 9:54 PM

Well, I take it as a given that you're going to characterize going a whole day without writing at least 20 paragraphs on RK as being on the cusp of Savage Nation citizenship...

You are a leftist and given to strong emotion and weak logic, after all.....but congratulations on the 12 Step Program...

"You are a leftist and given to strong emotion and weal logic,"

Funny how I used to accept this myth myself when I listened to Rush daily. It was one of his favorite mantras.

I've since learned the opposite is true.

I guess it takes several times...

Now, you read two posts about the sting operation and took offense at the one authored by someone named Bluto. Understandable. You were implying if not directly stating that the actions of the perpetrator, regardless of the conditions under which the act occurred was unpardonable by society's norms. I merely pointed out that civil libertarians and others have defended the perpetrator, not that I did.

Posted by: Sharon at January 1, 2008 7:57 PM

The site got it wrong. I ignore posts with topics such as ABC News: Heterosexuals Are 'Perverts' unless someone should make some kind of assertion that I would recommend such a topic for reading. You are the one who obsessed.

is obsessed

"Yemen is facing instability unseen since its 1994 civil war. A war with Shiite rebels in the northern Sa’ada province left over 50,000 internal refugees. The rebellion ended in June but threatens to re-ignite as neither side has fully implemented the cease-fire conditions."

(Jawa Report)

Oh, it doesn't say the "p" word so Wasted has no interest. His sensibilities need to get offended to inflame that passion, or was that Anonymous'? I get so confused!

I will say this, you will defend what you deem good to the death.

Misrepresenting again.

I will not sleep until I figure out how to live properly.

Why don't you start by exiting here?

"I am given to strong, classical Hegelian logical systems. The logical rigidity often confuses those who start with the conclusion, in your case, for example, "Bush is the source of all that is good and right in the world," then seek internet bullet points, no longer than sentence fragments devoid of verbs, to "prove" the "conclusion". It is a common practice of some of the second tier graduates of third tier law schools I have seen working for the federal government.

By contrast, I attempt, with considerable success I might add, to absorb vast bodies of primary source material, then draw logical conclusions based upon that material.

Passionate logic or logical passion is a strong force, giving me a raging fire in my brain, a spark in my eye and an all-embracing smile on my lips. It is why you so admire me."

One must commend true wit when one encounters it. Bravo.

To quote a great man,
TDF!!! (*** +++)

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 11:22 PM

When I use the cute little symbols, I am mocking why and patsy, you can direct your hate towards them, they own the idiocy.

"they own the idiocy."

When I mock shoddy logic and supreme stupidity on a galactic scale I will be writing directly to you RK.

I am given to strong, classical Hegelian logical systems. The logical rigidity often confuses those who start with the conclusion, in your case, for example, "Bush is the source of all that is good and right in the world," then seek internet bullet points, no longer than sentence fragments devoid of verbs, to "prove" the "conclusion". It is a common practice of some of the second tier graduates of third tier law schools I have seen working for the federal government.

By contrast, I attempt, with considerable success I might add, to absorb vast bodies of primary source material, then draw logical conclusions based upon that material.

Passionate logic or logical passion is a strong force, giving me a raging fire in my brain, a spark in my eye and an all-embracing smile on my lips. It is why you so admire me.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 1, 2008 10:32 PM

Ad Hominem, hasty generalization, and sheer fantasy...and the raging fire in your brain has made you a veritable hot air balloon...

And you are right. I am obsessed. I am obsessed with your morality. I will make it my life's work to get into the minds of you and Cecelia. I will not sleep until I figure out how to live properly.

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 11:03 PM

You could start by learning how to reason properly...although I won't argue with your conclusion that leftists can't be hypocrites because they don't espouse moral principles.

With that sort of clarity, you're sure to be brains of the insane clown posse in no time... :D

It is really great to see Cecelia having her ass handed to her, yet AGAIN! Bravo Wasted Keystrokes, you are my hero! (you too, A N O N Y M O U S).

Early in the new year, we already have two comments tied for "OW comment of the month club", for your enjoyment, read on:

I am given to strong, classical Hegelian logical systems. The logical rigidity often confuses those who start with the conclusion, in your case, for example, "Bush is the source of all that is good and right in the world," then seek internet bullet points, no longer than sentence fragments devoid of verbs, to "prove" the "conclusion". It is a common practice of some of the second tier graduates of third tier law schools I have seen working for the federal government.

By contrast, I attempt, with considerable success I might add, to absorb vast bodies of primary source material, then draw logical conclusions based upon that material.

Passionate logic or logical passion is a strong force, giving me a raging fire in my brain, a spark in my eye and an all-embracing smile on my lips. It is why you so admire me.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 1, 2008 10:32 PM

---------------

Ok. I need a new site anyway.
Any other suggestions?
Any sites that mix Battlestar Gallactica fandom with news and war videos?
How about Lord of the Rings and cooking?

Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 1, 2008 11:13 PM

Proof, patsy?

It is really great to see Cecelia having her ass handed to her, yet AGAIN! Bravo Wasted Keystrokes, you are my hero! (you too, A N O N Y M O U S).

Posted by: dipshit keyboard faces are cute :D at January 2, 2008 5:58 PM

Proof, patsy?

Why? You wouldn't understand it if he presented it to you.

Assimilating information is not your strong suite jeffy.... Come to think of it neither is reading comprehension , logic, or anything that might identify you as a sentient human being.

Posted by: at January 2, 2008 6:59 PM

Translation: can't prove nothing, nor, can Hyde. Hence, the 1st grade remark.

Translation: can't prove nothing, nor, can Hyde. Hence, the 1st grade remark.

Posted by: royal king at January 2, 2008 7:50 PM

Invest in a dictionary, RoKi.

Olbyloon Ed
Bhutto/Clinton con

http://wnd.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59471

RoKi!

You're on a roll, or as RoKi would say, "Your own a role."

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 2, 2008 9:48 PM

ha ha.
RoKi got pwned.

wasted, you know trent has no proof. Nice try, though.

Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 3, 2008 12:29 PM

TDF!!!!

This drivel coming from Mrs. Philby/rudyramirez/clucker/jennifer/joel/kip/anonymous/the list goes on. Not to mention a world traveler who has never went a single place, a 'bare handed couger catcher,' "I think I'll turn my office loose on this one," "I'm sending everyone home early today," etc, etc, etc...........Rich, I tell you, simply rich.