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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 7, 2008
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - January 7, 2008

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY: Richard Wolffe, Newsweek senior White House correspondent and MSNBC political analyst; Jonathan Alter, Newsweek senior editor and MSNBC political analyst; Chuck Todd, NBC News political director
    • BILL O'REILLY CONTROVERSY: Marvin Kitman, author of "The Man Who Would Not Shut Up: the Rise of Bill O'Reilly"

    Another night of furious spinning for the (newly favored) Democrats began with the opening spiel: Uh oh, Senator Clinton "plays the terror card". Plus Fox Noise [Ding!], another O'Reilly attack, and the Pulitzer-worthy Puppet Theater! Here's a heads up: tonight marked a milestone on The Hour of Spin--the kind of milestone Keith should bring to his next therapy session.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #5: Shockeroo! Olby just discovers that Democrats also claim they can keep America safe. It's an all-out assault on Madame Hillary as, just by coincidence, the polls show her behind Obama by double-digits. The voters she visited are "purportedly" undecided. She criticized other candidates! And--worst of all--she mentioned Al Qaeda! She "played the fear card"! Man, when the wheel turns on OlbyPlanet, Krazy Keith doesn't look back. He compares Hillary to Karl Rove [Ding!]. She's trying to "bait" Obama. This is a surreal, bizarro-planet version of The Hour of Spin, where suddenly he's spinning furiously against the candidate he has been slobbering over for months. All this right after Oralmann got pummelled by the Daily Kos as being a shill for Hill.

    Onto the Repubs. Oh look, he calls Mitt Romney "Willard". Hey, that's just like they do at Kos. Coincidence? We'll have to give "Willard" the bell treatment. Mike Huckabee is an "Arkansas governee". Mention of "Obamo". Slippery Shuster joins in and after Bathman's frantic spinning, Robin actually sounds semi-impartial by comparison. Next up, the Wolffe Man, who hears Fat Ass again compare Hillary to Rove [Ding!]. KO said she's "echoing Rudy Giuliani" and that she'll lose more votes than she'll gain. Wow! Don't tug on Superman's cape, don't pull the mask off The Lone Ranger, and for God's sake don't say anything that irritates the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann. He'll turn on you and toss you out like a used-up Handi-Wipe. Great thanks.

    After another Fox Noise [Ding!] came #4: after building up Obama, a chance to tear down the Repubs. It's "Willard" again [Ding!]. McCain has been old "since 1965". Olby brought up "schisms" among Republicans, and Lefty Alter said the Democrats are in much better shape because they are so much closer to settling on a nominee. It's official: on OlbyPlanet, Hillary is toast. Fric and Frac found fault with every Republican mentioned. Many thanks.

    After another promo ("With Billo it's never Ovo") and an attack on Bill Kristol we got #3: Why the Democratic race could be over after New Hampshire (with Obama winning, natch, according to the new OlbyPlanet meme). Even Todd wasn't exactly buying a ticket onto that train but he didn't rule it out. Mention of Edwards and Olby's "greatest possible respect" for him as prelude to a diss. Another diss of Hillary. Another diss of Edwards. Hillary is Rove [Ding!]. Meet the new host of The Hour of Spin: Keith Olbamamann! Great thanks.

    #2: There wasn't any so that Keith could spend more time on attacks later. The Media Matters Minute was lifted as usual from Fat Ass's favorite smear site (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters).

    #1: What is it in Keith Olbermann's diseased core that makes him chortle with glee when Sean Hannity is accosted by a angry mob and seeks to protect himself and those with him from possible physical attack? Seriously, this goes beyond schadenfreude, Keith. It's sick.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    And "puppet theater" is tiresome, noxious juvenalia. Fox Noise! [Ding!] He's "pathologically violent", suggested the man who said he would like to knife Mr Bill. (But those crowds running after Hannity, they were peaceful Quakers.) Of course we got Loofah! [Ding!] Loofah! [Ding!] So we'll counter with our own keywords: Merlot! Restraining Order! Rebecca Lobo! But this is another milestone for the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann. A rotten, unhealthy milestone, but a milestone nonetheless. It marks attack #400 on the greatest Olbsession of them all, Bill O'Reilly.

    Olbermann's book The book that bears Olbermann's name languishes at #91,091 on amazon, while "Culture Warrior" is #24,577. (It's that 2-for-$25 sale!) Barnes & Noble has the OlbyTome at #34,395; O'Reilly's book is #2,843 there. In the battle of the paperbacks: Amazon lists Culture Warrior at #3,254, while Oralmann's book is a towering #22,466. Guffaw! You would think the big electoral news would have given Herr Olbermann some sort of bump on Friday. But Olby again lost to O'Reilly...in fact, he lost by more than three to one! The eeevil O'Reilly had over three million viewers. Say, could that be the reason for the ferocity of Oralmann's attacks on him tonight? Ya think?


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    Truly amazing how he threw Clinton over the cliff. WOW.

    He's is a deeply disturbed man. As far as her crying goes, I thought it was a breath of fresh air. I guess there is no show of emotion allowed on Olbyplanet, except from Olby.

    He was extra deplorable tonight. However, I don't think this democratic race is over. All the rules have changed in 2008. I don't think Iowa and New Hampshire make a candidate.

    People will have something to say on Super Tuesday.

    Amazing though, that Olby pre-maturely ejaculated in his pants over Obama.

    Bad Move Keithy....Very Very Bad.

    Keith has always been Hillary's tampon.

    Why did they keep mentioning over and over that O'Reilly is tall?

    I read the AP story on the O'Reilly/Obama deal, and while it did say the Secret Service asked Bill to step back behind the barricades, it didn't say what Olbermann said, which was the Secret Service "restrained" him. So of course neither of the 2 YouTubes show anybody touching O'Reilly. Another lie, Keith.

    Amazing how Citizen Keith depicted the Democratic and Republican races in Jekyll and Hyde overtones.

    For the Democrats, it was organized, decisive and with direction.....and the poor Republicans are in disarray...

    The poor poor pitiful Republicans.

    McCain matches up the best again any Democrat.

    POW, War hero....Man of Integrity.
    Strong on terror and he'll come around on immigration.


    O'Reilly over three million......

    Yeah Johnny I would say that put buffet boy's panties in wad, no doubt.

    O'Reilly over three million.

    Gotta luv it!

    Man it must be bad for Hill if her biggest booster in the MSM dumped her.

    And no surprise that KO like the rest of the MSM is distorting what really happen between O'Reilly and Obama's man...but that's alright just like the Harlem restaurant story Bill will end up with a ratings boost...LOL!!!

    I wonder if that left wing “former” water carrier by the name of Olbermann is going to ask Bubba Bill for his check back.


    You know the one,


    "Here's my check for another seven schools",


    That check!


    When it comes to loyalty of pacifying the left wing loons that prop up his career, good old Olby only has one thing to say,


    "Mr.’s Clinton, say hello to Leon Klinghoffer "


    You’ll have to excuse me now. I have ticket on the Wayback Machine with Sherman and Peabody.


    Memories,
    Like the corners of my mind
    Misty water-colored memories
    Of the way we were

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21020060/

    A conversation with Bill Clinton
    The former president talks about Iraq, the ad wars and his global initiatives
    TRANSCRIPT
    By Keith Olbermann
    Anchor, 'Countdown'
    MSNBC
    updated 9:16 p.m. ET, Thurs., Sept. 27, 2007
    On his fund-raising juggernaut, the Clinton Global Initiative

    KEITH OLBERMANN, HOST, “COUNTDOWN:” This is the annual “can you top this” of charity, of giving, of kindness. Is it more difficult this year in the middle of political crisis and heavy political fundraising and the contributions that follow that?
    BILL CLINTON, 42ND PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: No, not really. I mean, the interesting thing to me is how much more interest there is. And I think it kind of what I want to happen is operating kind of independent of the politics, because my whole theory is that in the United States and around the world, you need a strong economy, a good government, and a vibrant civil society.
    And for example, last year we had about 50,000 people follow my Webcast. As of noon today, we have 400,000 people looking at it.
    OLBERMANN: Last year you had “wow” moments. The year before you had “wow” moments. Is there something that stands out that just stops everything in the room?
    CLINTON: Well, I think when (the annual meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative) opened yesterday, Bishop Tutu, as always, was profoundly eloquent. And we were talking about whether religion was a good or a bad thing. . . .

    Posted by: Olby's Wig at January 7, 2008 10:46 PM


    Moral of the story : Don't donate to charity.

    Now Keith Olbermann and the lefty wing blogs are married to the Anti-Semites that support Ron Paul. The people who think the Jews were responsible for 9/11. The brown shirts unite. So, Olbermann now supports a group of KKK members, Skin Heads, Michigan Militia, and 9/11 truthier i.e. Anti-Semites who attack Sean Hannity. Let’s see the "Journalist" Keith Olbermann crawl out of his cave and walk into a group or Ron Paul supporters. If I was Hannity, I would have pulled my Sig and ask those brown shirts if Paul still supports right to carry.

    Now Keith Olbermann and the lefty wing blogs are married to the Anti-Semites that support Ron Paul. The people who think the Jews were responsible for 9/11. The brown shirts unite. So, Olbermann now supports a group of KKK members, Skin Heads, Michigan Militia, and 9/11 truthier i.e. Anti-Semites who attack Sean Hannity. Let’s see the "Journalist" Keith Olbermann crawl out of his cave and walk into a group or Ron Paul supporters. If I was Hannity, I would have pulled my Sig and ask those brown shirts if Paul still supports right to carry.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 7, 2008 10:55 PM

    How the hell did you pull that out of your ass?

    Regarding the SC smear...That's politics.

    A few peaceful protesters direct some course language at Sean Hannity because the a candidate who received 10% of the vote in Iowa was excluded and he was "accosted by an angry mob".

    Why does Fox News fear Ron Paul so much?

    Posted by: Olby's Wig at January 7, 2008 10:46 PM


    Moral of the story : Don't donate to charity.

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at January 7, 2008 10:54 PM


    No, I think the moral of the story is as follows:

    Beware the fraud Olbermann, for he is the
    left wing’s pawn. Alone among God's primates, he slanders for sport, or lust or greed. Yes, he will betray his brother to possess his brother's popularity. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his television program and yours. Shun him. Drive him back into his Daily Kos lair: For he is the harbinger of decete'.

    Under the bus with Hitlery. I never saw that coming. She must really be stinking it up for her lap dog to bite her. We know that Keith is a misogynist, but I did not think he would turn on Hitlery. I think the cue for Keith Goebbels was when Bubba said to his audience that he could not make Hitler taller and he could not make her a man. That was the cue to Olbermann that Bill does not believe Hitlery can win.

    Olby's now backing Barack Hussein. And if Barry pulls a Dean Scream, will Olby go crawling back to Her Thighness?

    A few peaceful protesters direct some course language at Sean Hannity because the a candidate who received 10% of the vote in Iowa was excluded and he was "accosted by an angry mob".

    Why does Fox News fear Ron Paul so much?

    Posted by: Cato Freeman at January 7, 2008 11:14 PM

    I saw the video. It was an angry brown shirt mob of anarchist Nazi scum who wanted to beat Hannity to death. Say what you want about Hannity, but he is an American with a wife and children. As disgusting as Keith Olbermann is, I would never support an angry mob chasing him and beating him. Ron Paul and his band of fools have been given plenty of time to get their message out and no one is buying it. He has zero chance of winning this election or any presidential election. He does not have the guts to acknowledge who his real supporters are except with a wink and nod.

    OK factor. Well thought out, good execution and great delivery.
    NOT.

    Posted by: at January 7, 2008 11:23 PM


    1992 called, they want their catch phrase back.


    No, I think the moral of the story is as follows:


    Beware the fraud Olbermann, for he is the
    left wing’s pawn. Alone among God's primates, he slanders for sport, or lust or greed. Yes, he will betray his brother to possess his brother's popularity. Let him not breed in great numbers, for he will make a desert of his television program and yours. Shun him. Drive him back into his Daily Kos lair: For he is the harbinger of decete'.

    Posted by: Olby's Wig at January 7, 2008 11:17 PM

    Or maybe you're just convulsing because he won't conform to your favored right-wing agenda.
    Bill Clinton is not running for president, Hillary is (somebody inform hillary!). Your reasoning is that Olbermann gave a check to a foundation run by a presidential candidates' spouse. And that was a(n) (in)direct endorsement of Hillary Clinton?

    I saw the video. It was an angry brown shirt mob of anarchist Nazi scum who wanted to beat Hannity to death. Say what you want about Hannity, but he is an American with a wife and children. As disgusting as Keith Olbermann is, I would never support an angry mob chasing him and beating him. Ron Paul and his band of fools have been given plenty of time to get their message out and no one is buying it. He has zero chance of winning this election or any presidential election. He does not have the guts to acknowledge who his real supporters are except with a wink and nod.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 7, 2008 11:31 PM

    Do you even know who the SA were? What they did? And you're comparing them to verbal non-violent Ron Paul supporters? Are you insane?

    Posted by: The Factor at January 7, 2008 11:31 PM

    And learn the difference between anarchists and libertarians.

    I saw the video, too. "Brown shirt, anarchist, Nazi scum."? You can't be serious.

    The only candidate in the entire race that actually believes in freedom the way it is spelled out in the Constitution and you liken his supporters to fascists? That was hardly Kristallnacht, dimwit.

    Hannity was never in any danger and I doubt that any member of the angry mob was arrested.

    As for the "real supporters" crack, when exactly did you become a liberal? That is the kind of tripe that hurled at Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. It's a wonder that you don't support KO since you are no better.

    Sheesh.

    And learn the difference between anarchists and libertarians.

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at January 7, 2008 11:46 PM

    I know the difference. One key difference is that libertarians don't form angry brown shirt mobs to beat those they don't agree with. Anarchists do.

    As for the "real supporters" crack, when exactly did you become a liberal? That is the kind of tripe that hurled at Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan. It's a wonder that you don't support KO since you are no better.

    Sheesh.

    Posted by: Cato Freeman at January 7, 2008 11:48 PM

    Very simple.
    Poll your fellow Ron Paul supports with these simple questions.

    Is 9/11 and inside job?

    Was the Holocaust over-blown/did it happen?

    I know the difference. One key difference is that libertarians don't form angry brown shirt mobs to beat those they don't agree with. Anarchists do.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 7, 2008 11:49 PM

    Yeah, where was the beating? Poor Sean Hannity, he had to be sent to the hospital.

    As a Ron Paul Supporter,

    "Very simple.
    Poll your fellow Ron Paul supports with these simple questions.

    Is 9/11 and inside job?

    No

    Was the Holocaust over-blown/did it happen?

    Not Overblown did Happen.


    Ron Paul is the sanest canidate on the right.

    Trent, oddly enough the Senate's ethics rules discuss gifts to spouses as being an ethical problem in certain circumstances. And Hillary is actually running on Bill's record.

    But you are the only one who can't make the link?

    Or maybe you're just convulsing because he won't conform to your favored right-wing agenda.
    Bill Clinton is not running for president, Hillary is (somebody inform hillary!). Your reasoning is that Olbermann gave a check to a foundation run by a presidential candidates' spouse. And that was a(n) (in)direct endorsement of Hillary Clinton?

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at January 7, 2008 11:38 PM


    Not for nothing, but how can I type and convulse at the same time?

    Maybe you need to spend a little more time with the new Roget’s Thesaurus mommy got you for Christmas.

    On your second point, then why did Olby give the check to Bubba on TV instead of doing it privately, like most people would?


    http://www.meriam-webster.com/dictionary/convulse

    convulse
    One entry found.
    convulse


    Main Entry:
    con•vulse
    Pronunciation:
    \kən-ˈvəls\
    Function:
    verb
    Inflected Form(s):
    con•vulsed; con•vuls•ing
    Etymology:
    Latin convulsus, past participle of convellere to pluck up, convulse, from com- + vellere to pluck — more at VULNERABLE
    Date:
    1614

    transitive verb: to shake or agitate violently; especially : to shake with or as if with irregular spasms intransitive verb: to become affected with convulsions
    synonyms see SHAKE

    Holocaust did happen.

    9-11 was not an inside job.

    There. Now you have two.

    By the way, I'm sure that serial killers have supported presidential candidates from time to time, but it did not mean that all of the supporters of those candidates were serial killers. That is what intelligent people refer to as logical fallacy.

    But, keep believing your propaganda. My candidate is on Jay Leno tonight.

    By the way, I'm sure that serial killers have supported presidential candidates from time to time, but it did not mean that all of the supporters of those candidates were serial killers. That is what intelligent people refer to as logical fallacy.

    But, keep believing your propaganda. My candidate is on Jay Leno tonight.

    Posted by: Cato Freeman at January 8, 2008 12:11 AM

    Do they donate money to them in mass. All the groups (9/11 truthers,KKK) I have described, have donated money to Ron Paul and he has accepted it.

    Keith thought it was funny the Ron Paul loons chased after Hannity?

    You get the feeling, considering Keith's mental state, if someone chased after him he would curl up in a ball and start crying.

    I wonder if he chased after Rebecca Lobo like that.

    Trent, oddly enough the Senate's ethics rules discuss gifts to spouses as being an ethical problem in certain circumstances.

    ---I didn't know Olbermann was in the senate.

    And Hillary is actually running on Bill's record.

    But you are the only one who can't make the link?

    Posted by: SPQR at January 8, 2008 12:10 AM

    That's why I added "(somebody inform hillary!)". I DO believe she is running on his record.

    I guess I need to type slower for Trent: Hillary ... is ... in ... the Senate.

    I guess I need to type slower for Trent: Hillary ... is ... in ... the Senate.

    Posted by: SPQR at January 8, 2008 12:31 AM

    oops sorry. I skimmed your post.

    But how does that prove that Olbermann is endorsing Hillary throght Bill's foundation?

    Do they donate money to them in mass. All the groups (9/11 truthers,KKK) I have described, have donated money to Ron Paul and he has accepted it.

    True. The Ron Paul campaign doesn't not reject any contribution out of principle. Their rationale?:

    "If people hold views that the candidate doesn't agree with, and they give to us, that's their loss,"

    throght

    *through*

    I'm so slow today.

    The Fuctoid would gladly pay for Sean's examination to make sure his cock sucking skills were not harmed during the "chase and beating from an angry mob"

    Posted by: Anyone knows Sean "Gokkun" Hannity's oral surgeon? at January 8, 2008 12:36 AM


    This folks is the mental capacity typical of the modern left. Come on November!

    Oh, I'm full of typos tonight, Trent. Don't worry about it.

    Anti Chavez Activist Shot in Venezuela

    Monday, January 7, 2008 8:01 AM


    CARACAS, Venezuela -- Monica Fernandez, former judge and one of the leaders of the Foro Penal Venezolano, was shot Saturday afternoon in circumstances that, prior to a full investigation, the government of Venezuela has declared a �car robbery.� Ms. Fernandez directs the Venezuelan research division of the Human Rights Foundation (HRF).


    Ms. Fernandez was kidnapped and shot at point-blank range while loading her car with plants she had bought with her fianc�, Javier Herrera. Mr. Herrera, a police officer, was shot five times while trying to prevent the attack. Mr. Herrera killed one of the aggressors; the other drove off with Ms. Fernandez. He later released her and left the car parked nearby. Both Ms. Fernandez and Mr. Herrera are hospitalized in Caracas.

    http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/Anti_Chavez_Activist_Shot/2008/01/07/62289.html

    No comment from the useful idiots Sean Penn and Danny Glover. But according to the Olberloons here, Sean Penn is a talented and smart actor. Sean Penn should go tell this woman's family what a wonderful man Hugo is and how evil George Bush is.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 8, 2008 1:06 AM


    What? Neocons defending the UN? and Human rights?

    Posted by: The Factor at January 8, 2008 1:06 AM


    What? Neocons defending the UN? and Human rights?

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at January 8, 2008 1:17 AM

    I would never defend the UN. I am not a Neocon. I do beleive in freedom of speech which in this country gets you called a neocon unless you do a zombie march behind Keith Olbermann.

    ---I didn't know Olbermann was in the senate.


    And Hillary is actually running on Bill's record.

    But you are the only one who can't make the link?

    Posted by: SPQR at January 8, 2008 12:10 AM

    mike can't add 2+2, either.

    I would never defend the UN. I am not a Neocon. I do beleive in freedom of speech which in this country gets you called a neocon unless you do a zombie march behind Keith Olbermann.


    Posted by: The Factor at January 8, 2008 1:28 AM


    Wasn't it you who just called the Fox News protesters "nazis", "brownshirts" . For exercizing their free speech?
    Maybe it's just neocons who "do a zombie march" behind Sean Hannity.

    Leaky Leahy Making Sure Terrorists Have An Open Door


    Democrat Blocks Passport Requirement at Canada, Mexico Borders
    By Susan Jones
    CNSNews.com Senior Editor
    December 21, 2007

    (CNSNews.com) - Sen. Patrick Leahy is preventing the Bush administration from requiring passports next year from people crossing the U.S.-Canada border and the U.S.-Mexico border by land.

    The Leahy-sponsored measure - rolled into the omnibus spending bill - will prevent the passport requirement from taking effect until Jan. 1, 2009 at the earliest.

    If I was Hannity, I would have pulled my Sig and ask those brown shirts if Paul still supports right to carry.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 7, 2008 10:55 PM

    Hugo Chavez is that you?


    The Man The Liberals Love!


    Anti Chavez Activist Shot in Venezuela

    Monday, January 7, 2008 8:01 AM

    CARACAS, Venezuela -- Monica Fernandez, former judge and one of the leaders of the Foro Penal Venezolano, was shot Saturday afternoon in circumstances that, prior to a full investigation, the government of Venezuela has declared a “car robbery.” Ms. Fernandez directs the Venezuelan research division of the Human Rights Foundation (HRF).


    Ms. Fernandez was kidnapped and shot at point-blank range while loading her car with plants she had bought with her fiancé, Javier Herrera. Mr. Herrera, a police officer, was shot five times while trying to prevent the attack. Mr. Herrera killed one of the aggressors; the other drove off with Ms. Fernandez. He later released her and left the car parked nearby. Both Ms. Fernandez and Mr. Herrera are hospitalized in Caracas.


    Posted by: royal king at January 8, 2008 1:50 AM

    If you're going to post an article it would be nice to post a link, or at least the whole article.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200712/NAT20071221b.html

    It took me a whole 5 seconds to use the google

    here's the latest viewer numbers from Drudge. Poor Keith Hussien Obamann still at the bottom! We need a Special Edukation Comment fast!!

    FOXNEWS O'REILLY 3,019,000
    FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,995,000
    FNC GRETA 1,525,000
    FNC SHEP SMITH 1,451,000
    CNN KING 1,440,000
    FNH HUME 1,409,000
    CNN COOPER 915,000
    CNN DOBBS 859,000
    MSNBC OLBERMANN 845,000
    CNNHN GRACE 699,000
    MSNBC HARDBALL 499,000

    RRROOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN PPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    RRROOOOOOOOOONNNNNNN PPPPPPPPPAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Actually, BOR's number was 4.5 million for the night.

    Writes AAP:

    "The Fuctoid would gladly pay for Sean's examination to make sure his cock sucking skills were not harmed during the "chase and beating from an angry mob"

    END QUOTE

    Considering Sean tips his waitress more than you make in a week I am real impressed with your originality and personal attacks on this man.

    Must be shit being you AAP. What's going on in your life that the highlight of your day is to come on this board and reveal to us just how stupid you are. You aint impressing anyone with your dribble, momma's boy. I bet you sucked your mommy's tit till you were 18, momma's boy.

    Get back in your sandbox junior. It's clowns like you that make itr so easy for people like me.

    The Williard Reference to Romney was a clear correlation to......The Rat Movie reference.

    He is so......briliiant.

    "I don't remember when I laughed so hard."


    ###
    Don't worry Daddy FLUCKER (cue Mr. Magoo theme), the NAMENDA takes 2 months for full affect.....Allow me to help you......

    During SCHINDLER'S LIST?

    During END OF THE SPEAR?

    During THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST?

    During THE MISSION?

    The last time Ms. blank-FLUCKER (cue 'Cause I'm a Woman, W-O-M-A-N) wore your cajones as cute dangly earings?

    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at January 8, 2008 1:46 AM

    Free speach does not mean chasing someone in a mob in an attempt to beat them.

    Oh yes, the 6th grade playground retort from the name-dropper and name-changer....

    The neurons are just not firing like the did years ago....Poor high church Daddy FLUCKER and no church wannawipe are slowly losing their ability to respond with witty, biting comebacks....Instead....

    "loser...."

    "Good call...."

    ouch!

    Speech, sorry for the mis-spell.

    With four hundred attacks on Bill
    Keith's insults were long ago shrill
    Cut Bill with a knife?
    Hey Keith... get a life
    You're a hack and an NBC shill

    A little.

    Even before I got Laura Phony BUSHWIPE Soldier to admit he is consumed by hate, Benson told him so.

    Now we have you, Pastor DUMBFUCK! I mean Phallu-Cee, as I described you before. Firmly, straddling BovineQueen's paranoia and Laura's oozing hate.

    I'll give you credit, Cee. You are far, far above from these two clinical morons I've mentioned. Take your chill pill, Cee.

    Ah yes....the fundy bogeyman continues to inspire the radical left and those fear-filled democrats dumb enough to buy it.....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/radical-cleric-the-ad-_b_80342.html


    ###
    Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) had to resort to potty humor yesterday when I correctly assessed the radical portions of his party as being antagonistic to people who believe in God and believe He interacts/directs His creation....including people....

    No response to this little piece of democrat party bigotry either....

    http://buffalobeast.com/117/let_there_be_retards.htm


    ###
    I'll likey hear "I know you are but what am I?" next or perhaps a profanity/ALL CAPS filled rant from wannawipe....

    THANK$ PAT$Y !!!!!!!

    Grammie

    I loved that he nailed hillary. her little chin, quivering, a real tear about to spill over... as I looked down, her teeth became, well, two of them became very sharp... and long... and the vampire was about to take a bite out of obama... the little bubble over her head should have read, "it's not fair! It's not fair!! I was suppose to win.. I'm going to take my dollies and dishes and I'm going home".

    Next scene from planet neo-dem; ooga booga.. big monster... ooga booga, the boogie man is going to get you... they watch our elections... ooooohhhhh be afraid... be very afraid!!!!!!!

    thank god for keith olberman... he has one ruler he measures them all by. fuck up and you get your ass kicked too. fairs fair.

    Say what you want about Mr. Olbermann, but I am going to nominate the producer of the "See the Sanctimonious Prick Run" for best comedy at the Emmys. I don't remember when I laughed so hard.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 9:09 AM


    This from someone who claims they haven't watched orangy since "last september" and "doesn't really like him."

    Posted by: b.cayuga at January 8, 2008 11:45 AM

    Are you kidding? He only attacked her when it was made clear even to her husband that she has no chance to win. Only after Bill Clinton threw her under the bus did Keith stab her in the back.

    " I can't make her taller, I can't make her younger, I can't maker her a man" Bubba

    Translation, under the bus with you Hillary, my legacy is not going down with a sinking ship.

    Free speach does not mean chasing someone in a mob in an attempt to beat them.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 8, 2008 10:55 AM

    If a mob of Ron Paul supporters had attempted to beat Sean Hannity, Sean Hannity would have been beaten. Nice try.

    Keith Olbermann: A Maturation Gap?
    Diary Entry by Alfred McGuire

    "I think the shrinks call it “anal defiance.” A person remains at the two-year-old level emotionally and exhibits an irrational stubbornness that is held onto with all the force of acute constipation. Well, we sure as hell have enough atomic bombs. What we need is an atomic suppository and Olbermann should be the first test site.

    Mr. Olbermann, I want to make this simple for you. Take note: The meaning of “illegal” is “against the law.” Perhaps you had cut class the day that they were teaching that at Cornell. No problem. We’ll help you."

    http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=5457

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 12:39 PM


    So he should stand there and be surrounded by a mob of angry lunatics screaming profanities and hope they don’t start to spit, kick, punch, or stab so that the Huffington Post thinks he is tuff? Maybe after that he should go get a gangland beat down so he can join MS13 and get his tats.

    http://www.boycottliberalism.com/

    1. Count Every Vote- This was the mantra of the Al Gore campaign after the 2000 presidential election, when they were hand counting votes in 3 highly Democratic counties, while at the same time trying to disqualify military votes. In effect they were trying to change the rules of the election after the election had taken place, which violated federal election law. A liberal Florida Supreme Court ruled in the favor of the Gore Campaign until the U.S. Supreme Court put a stop to it. To this very day, liberals actually believe George Bush stole the election....

    Philby, keep your trap shut in regards to obama pasing out 50,000+ flyers inviting illinois voters to vote in Iowa. I'm quite sure you have no problem with that, right?

    To this very day, liberals actually believe George Bush stole the election....

    Posted by: royal king at January 8, 2008 1:34 PM


    Are you trying to prepare us for Romney stealing New Hampshire tonight?

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 2:25 PM


    Case in point......

    Hey OlberLimp, how about getting some core principles? A few days ago you were kissing St. Hillary's ass, but now that your "loyal" lefty clones criticize you, you start worshipping Obama.

    How can you even look at yourself while knowing that you have no backbone?

    And, about this, The, you are absoultely correct. Ron Paul is and has always been a bona fide lunatic.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 3:58 PM

    I do feel sorry for the true Libertarians/Conservatives who were fooled by this guy.

    I do feel sorry for the true Libertarians/Conservatives who were fooled by this guy.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 8, 2008 4:11 PM

    Fooled? Where are you from? Have you actually followed Ron Paul's record? Do you live in Texas? Have you been following him for the past two decades?

    Ron Paul is the genuine article. The fakes in this year's Presidential race are Hillary, Edwards, Giuliani, and Romney.

    Well, I don't agree with all of those particular political norms to begin with.

    Everyone that I have come in contact with admires Ron Paul, mainly because he is anti-pork.

    I just remember the 1994 congressional primary all too vividly. The GOP machine backing the slimy, turncoat Democrat and Ron Paul beats him. It was too cool.

    I am unfortunately in the 31st district, represented by John Carter. He is not as much of a idiot as Senator John Cornyn, but definitely a hack.

    I don't know. Maybe you would consider me a nutcase.

    Hats off to Opie for singlehandlely ruining the MSNBC brand.

    The most trusted national TV news organizations, for accurate reporting, in
    declining order included: Fox News (27.0%), .......................10 others MSNBC (4.0%),

    I guess the 400+ attacks on O'reilly, the nightly Media Matter talking poiint are amusing few and discrediting many

    Good Job Opie
    Must need a Speshul Komment


    Americans Slam News Media on Believability
    Tue Jan 8, 2008 10:01am EST Email | Print | Share| Reprints | Single Page | Recommend (1) [-] Text [+]

    The most trusted national TV news organizations, for accurate reporting, in
    declining order included: Fox News (27.0%), CNN (14.6%), and NBC News
    (10.90%). These were followed by ABC News (7.0%), local news (6.9%), CBS News
    (6.8%) PBS News (3.0%), CNBC (0.6%) and CBN (0.5%).

    Hats off to Opie for singlehandlely ruining the MSNBC brand.

    The most trusted national TV news organizations, for accurate reporting, in
    declining order included: Fox News (27.0%), .......................10 others MSNBC (4.0%),

    I guess the 400+ attacks on O'reilly, the nightly Media Matter talking poiint are amusing few and discrediting many

    Good Job Opie
    Must need a Speshul Komment


    Americans Slam News Media on Believability
    Tue Jan 8, 2008 10:01am EST Email | Print | Share| Reprints | Single Page | Recommend (1) [-] Text [+]

    The most trusted national TV news organizations, for accurate reporting, in
    declining order included: Fox News (27.0%), CNN (14.6%), and NBC News
    (10.90%). These were followed by ABC News (7.0%), local news (6.9%), CBS News
    (6.8%) PBS News (3.0%), CNBC (0.6%) and CBN (0.5%).

    Americans Slam News Media on Believability

    http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS160770+08-Jan-2008+PRN20080108


    ###
    A great read....very telling for some who feel FOX News is not look upon with respect, more so than many other networks.

    I sometimes think people in the district must elect and re-elect him for comedic value. However, he is anything but funny.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 4:30 PM


    Explain Cold Cash Jefferson being elected over and over. Comedic value? Family values? How come he isn't considered a "crook and liar" on your fav blog, crooks and liars?

    obama pasing out 50,000+ flyers inviting illinois voters to vote in Iowa. I'm quite sure you have no problem with that, right?

    Posted by: royal king at January 8, 2008 2:29 PM


    Philby, there is evidence of the above. There is no evidence of Bush "stealing" the election. Unless, you have or know something the rest of the world doesn't.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/2008/01/ron_paul.php

    Here you go Paul Bots.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 8, 2008 3:58 PM

    Old news. Paul disavowed this stuff long ago and, more than likely, someone else wrote it. Still, it happened in his newsletter and if the media makes hay of it, he's toast. Not that he had much of a chance anyway.

    A great read....very telling for some who feel FOX News is not look upon with respect, more so than many other networks.

    Posted by: cee at January 8, 2008 5:26 PM


    Why do you think the leftists hate it so much? It's not because they suck, it's because they are #1.

    Don't take it personally, RK....this was the time Daddy FLUCKER (cue Mr. Magoo theme) went postal on me yesterday....Considering the time difference in Texas from me here in Jersey....It's either almost 5:00pm or 4:00pm.....Just about the time for his "hypoglycemic" attack.....

    Have some yogurt and fresh fruit, sir and calm down now.....and please avoid potty references.....

    Then again, considering Daddy FLUCKER's age (cue Mr. Magoo theme).....sun-downing delerium may be more accurate a diagnosis.....

    RISPERDAL for the kindly old gent, nurse!

    In fact the defend it with every ounce of their being....curious.

    Posted by: at January 8, 2008 6:34 PM


    You defend Olbermahn with every ounce of your being, why is that, 'why?'

    You haven't produced any proof about Obama, and you have denied substantial evidence of the fraud in Florida 2000. No surprise there, to me to anybody. You are thoroughly prejudiced against African-Americans, and you are a Bush lapdog. You have no intellectual honesty. But, all you misrepresentations, all your denial amount to nothing. You know what? It's all ending. Good riddance. Learn to deal with it or become even blinder, even bitterer, even more ignorant.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 6:28 PM


    Funny! LOL!!!! I asked any one of you loons to produce something substantial obama accomplished. I got zilch. I asked for any evidence of Bush "stealing the election." I got zilch. Nice spin, philby. Very nice and cowardly, too.

    Philby, there is evidence of the above. There is no evidence of Bush "stealing" the election. Unless, you have or know something the rest of the world doesn't.

    Posted by: royal king at January 8, 2008 5:51 PM


    This must have been what got philby all hot and bothered.....heheheheeh.

    Well, blank, Fred Thompson has been a successful attorney ( whose work included minority counsel on the Watergate committee, special counsel to the intelligence commitee and foreign relations committee, work with the Tennessee commission for appellate appointments and seeing a corrupt governor off), prosecutor, actor and senator.

    Obama's own career is less varied and certainly has little of note at the Federal level. Any adult could recognize that.

    Funny because you haver been asked to provide evidence of Fred Thompson's accomplishments, and to provide a list of George W. Bush's accomplishments before being elected. I got Zilch. Cowardly.


    Posted by: at January 8, 2008 8:19 PM


    Cowy, you asked these cowardly olbyloon questions after the fact. Keep diverting, that's all you got going for ya.

    Obama's own career is less varied and certainly has little of note at the Federal level. Any adult could recognize that.

    Posted by: SPQR at January 8, 2008 8:33 PM


    These 'obama supporters/olbyloons' know this is true. Getting them to admit it is another story, though. One of these loons posted a link to what was supposed to proof of some of his accomplishments. It was a link to an 'obama' blog that didn't have a single accomplishment listed. It just had all of his "views" listed. It didn't have his voting record listed, though. Shocker!

    And you keep running from producing any evidence little dipshit.

    Posted by: at January 8, 2008 8:41 PM


    Face it, cowy. obama has no accomplishments. If he did, you would have posted them by now.

    "Face it, cowy. obama has no accomplishments. If he did, you would have posted them by now"

    By that logic then neither do fredo or Georgie. Face it little dipshit.

    Posted by: at January 8, 2008 9:31 PM


    Thanks for proving my point, big dipshit. Obama has no accomplishments! Zilch.

    Experience is overrated.

    I used to hire people for technical jobs when I worked in the corporate world, ... and the BEST person I ever hired by far, ... had NO experience. He was straight out of school.

    On the other hand, some of the biggest flops were some of the ones whose resumes boasted of having the most "experience".

    That said, it appears Hillary might be benefiting greatly from the "sympathy" vote.

    I guess more presidential candidates should try crying.

    Look, mike has turned into an obamapolagist!

    "Look, mike has turned into an obamapolagist!

    But YOU never change.

    Same old idiot!

    John Edwards.....PULEEESE drop out!

    You're a good man and would make a good president.....but if you stay in.....you just may end of giving the nomination to Hillary.

    "Look, mike has turned into an obamapolagist!

    But YOU never change.

    Same old idiot!

    Posted by: Mike at January 8, 2008 10:56 PM


    I call it like I see it. Can't take the heat?

    RK: "Can't take the heat?'

    What does you being an idiot have to do with me taking "the heat"?

    John Edwards.....PULEEESE drop out!

    You're a good man and would make a good president.....but if you stay in.....you just may end of giving the nomination to Hillary.

    Posted by: Mike at January 8, 2008 11:00 PM

    Flip, flop, flizz, flizzz................

    John Edwards.....PULEEESE drop out!

    You're a good man and would make a good president.....but if you stay in.....you just may end of giving the nomination to Hillary.


    Posted by: Mike at January 8, 2008 11:00 PM

    The ambulance chase/slip and fall lawyer a good man? Good men don't father bastard children when their wives have cancer. This just shows what a liar Mike is when he says he voted for Bush on 2000.

    Factor: "Good men don't father bastard children when their wives have cancer."

    Good men don't believe National Enquirer slander stories when it fits their political purposes to do so.
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Factor: "This just shows what a liar Mike is when he says he voted for Bush on 2000."

    Why does that FACT threaten you so?

    Why is Obamanation still giving his tired MLK impression? The crook form Cook figured he had scammed the people of NH by busing in college students to Iowa, but the Clinton crime family still had tricks up their sleeves. It is not going to be that easy to con the con man/woman.

    Factor: "Why is Obamanation still giving his MLK impersonation."

    Oh, I don't know...who can get in anyone else's mind?

    For example, why are you the biggest jerk on Olbermann watch?

    A N O N Y M O U S to Factor @ 11:44 PM: "You're better than that."

    No he's not! .... You haven't been reading this jerk's posts over time, have you?

    A N O N Y M O U S, Factor has taught me that there just MAY be some human beings in this great country who lack a soul.

    Thank God he represents the OTHER side!

    No he's not! .... You haven't been reading this jerk's posts over time, have you?

    Posted by: Mike at January 8, 2008 11:51 PM


    Apparently, you've been holding your hands over you eyes when yoe across philby's posts, too.

    You're better than that.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 11:44 PM

    I really hate Edwards more than any other democrat. He is the most hateful candidate there is. He is the biggest phony out there. His slime factor is even greater than Bill Clinton's.

    Factor on Edwards: "He is the most hateful candidate there is."

    Fortunately, YOU"RE not a candidate because NOBODY could possibly hold a candle to YOU in both the hate and slime categories!

    You are, in fact, a trashy slanderer like Cee and Jeff.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 11:46 PM


    >>>>>


    I am sure if I were watching a rodeo and saw a horse shit, I would think of you. I would not flirt with you, however. Don't worry. I won't flirt with your horse or goat either.

    Geez! Do you live in a tunnel or something?

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 12:18 PM

    Thanks, Jeff.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 9, 2008 12:20 AM


    Hey, you're 1 for 3, fraud!

    I remember Cee, stating something along the lines of the elitist Clinton's have been rejected and their legacy was obviously rejected because Hillary lost Iowa.

    Now they saying, "Watch the lefties hop back on the Hillary train."
    Their imaginations and small minds are making themselves dizzy.


    Posted by: at January 9, 2008 12:37 AM

    You guys are making all of us dizzy with your flip flopping. Just wait, there's more to come!

    You are, in fact, a trashy slanderer like Cee and Jeff.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 11:46 PM


    >>>>>


    I am sure if I were watching a rodeo and saw a horse shit, I would think of you. I would not flirt with you, however. Don't worry. I won't flirt with your horse or goat either.

    Geez! Do you live in a tunnel or something?

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 8, 2008 12:18 PM


    Take note of the short time frame these posts are in. Shocking.

    "You guys are making all of us dizzy with your flip flopping. Just wait, there's more to come!"

    Well it is easy to make you dizzy Rk, you're a moron.

    "You guys are making all of us dizzy with your flip flopping. Just wait, there's more to come!"

    Well it is easy to make you dizzy Rk, you're a moron.

    Posted by: at January 9, 2008 1:44 AM


    Olbyloon debating......backed in the corner, resort to name calling.

    Pricele$$!!!

    TDF(*){+}[-]-------!!!!

    "Olbyloon debating......backed in the corner, resort to name calling."

    The only thing you 've ever backed into a corner RK is a farm animal. Although your attempt at a debate was funny in that sad what a moron kind of way.

    The dumbass RWer's were singing ,"Bye bye Hillary."and "all the lefties are hopping on the Obama wagon."
    Now they saying, "Watch the lefties hop back on the Hillary train."
    Their imaginations and small minds are making themselves dizzy.


    Posted by:cowy at January 9, 2008 12:37 AM

    I remember Cee, stating something along the lines of the elitist Clinton's have been rejected and their legacy was obviously rejected because Hillary lost Iowa.

    Posted by:cowy at January 9, 2008 12:44 AM

    "You guys are making all of us dizzy with your flip flopping. Just wait, there's more to come!"

    Well it is easy to make you dizzy Rk, you're a moron.

    Posted by:cowy at January 9, 2008 1:44 AM

    The only thing you 've ever backed into a corner RK is a farm animal. Although your attempt at a debate was funny in that sad what a moron kind of way.

    Posted by:cowy at January 9, 2008 1:57 AM

    he only thing you 've ever backed into a corner RK is a farm animal. Although your attempt at a debate was funny in that sad what a moron kind of way.

    I really hate Edwards more than any other democrat. He is the most hateful candidate there is. He is the biggest phony out there. His slime factor is even greater than Bill Clinton's.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 9, 2008 12:05 AM


    Now THAT's harsh... :D

    Good morning, Cecelia.

    I hope you enjoyed your dinner last night.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 9, 2008 8:41 AM

    Good morning. Hope you're well.

    I sure did, thank you.

    I bet this mentally imbalanced republican has many more issues he deals with than just his hatred for democrats.
    Funny how he can never find a republican to heap his sick projections on.

    Posted by: at January 9, 2008 6:03 PM


    Multiply his issues time 10 and we'll have the number of your issues.

    What made you use a name this time?

    Our Special Education poster pipes in.
    I've seen more clever comebacks from kids with Downs Syndrome.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at January 9, 2008 6:22 PM

    I bet this mentally imbalanced olbyloon has many more issues he deals with than just his hatred for clear thinkers.
    Funny how he can never find an olbyloon to heap his sick projections on.


    I am just curious what the deciding factor is if you make the leap to type in a name, that's all. It's not rocket science, is it? Or, is it? Do you have a scientific formula? Flow chart? Bar graph?

    Responding to your own posts, that can't be a good sign.....

    Trent, this was a reasonable observation on your part:

    "Do you even know who the SA were? What they did? And you're comparing them to verbal non-violent Ron Paul supporters? Are you insane?
    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at January 7, 2008 11:44 PM"

    I agree with you that the statement was hyperbolic. It was an unruly crowd chasing Hannity et al and I would think they could not be faulted for feeling a bit harassed and even threatened. But to equate it to the power and actions of the SA was a bit overboard.

    Do you agree with my assessment about the following:

    "SEN. DICK DURBIN: Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report:

    "On a couple of occasions, I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves and had been left there for eighteen to twenty-four hours or more."

    If I read this to you and didn't tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have happened by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime, Pol Pot or others, that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that's not the case. This was the action of Americans in treatment of their own prisoners."

    By his own word's the little dick, Durbin, unequivocally asserts that what he read is the moral equivalent to the tens and tens and tens and tens of millions starved, tortured, gassed to death by the Nazis, Stalinist Russia and in the Killing Fields of Cambodia."

    This is just my humble opinion, mind you. I would say that the scope and scale of comparing entities that caused many many tens of millions of lingering suffering deaths, made with the import and authority that speaking from the well of the Senate imbues, the dick Durbin's comments comparing Gitmo to that was repulsively incomprehensible.

    Could it be that such outrageous behavior from a high ranking Dem senator in his official capacity might lead and encourage others to follow suit in far lesser comparisons in far lesser important venues?

    Just a thought.

    Grammie

    Your perspective on the Guantánamo (and black hole prison and other recent US abuses) is good. As bad as these things are, we are not speaking of Konzentrationslagern, Gulags, Reeducation Camps. However, I would hope we would hold ourselves to a much, much higher standard. If we do, we have failed to meet that standard.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 11, 2008 9:37 AM


    ...but the descent into systemic barbarity is a slippery, steep-grade slope. Read about the Stanley Milgram experiments, in which random subjects exhibited their capacity to become monsters; first to please an authority figure, and then to an escallating degree simply to convince themselves that their initial baby-steps of inhumanity did not classify them as bad people. Cognitive dissonance is very powerful.

    Ah yes, the elitist white gentile's excuse for his ancestor's mass behavior....No!....there was no self-interest involved with the German Christians and secularists turn towards accepting mass deportations or even extermination of people different from themselves...it was the propaganda's fault...

    Yep, the left's explaination of bad behavior is to make excuses....The seeds of hatred that exist in all, the need to self-preserve and self-affirm....to be self-centered and selfish....These are not human impulses or parts of human nature....

    Oh how it fits, without a bit of evidence, into the self-assuring worldview. The comparison to wholesale abandonment of groups of human beings based on character (be they creed, political ideology, race, disability, age, etc) to the trains, gas chambers, firing lines, etc. to the civil system that was established based on the conduct (I repeat conduct) of the people so imprisoned is illogical....But that does not stop the demogogues.

    The same leftist demogogues who ignore the wholesale persecution of people based on their beliefs in such utopias like Communist China and Communist Vietnam.....or the wholesale extermination of human beings in the western world simply because they have been deemed nonhuman (abortion).

    Phari-cee blabbers around the issue. He ignores the question of how a European population that, at the time, bore the greatest cultural, religious, and economic affinities to the United States could be drawn into a worldview that supported genocide and universal agressive war.

    He says it is all ideology, but conversely seems to ridicule his imaginary "left's" explanation that propaganda was responsible....? How are these two paper-thin constructs different? I'm left again with the feeling that Phari-cee writes mush tangentially related to the issue at hand in order to appear conversant.

    He seems to argue against himself and his trademark denunciation of "ideology" that "self interest" prompted the highly religious lower classes of Germany to send their young to die en masse in horrible ways. I wonder what evidence he could provide in this regard.

    Human psychology is an essential element to any answer to this horible question. The Milgram experiments, the copious literature written on the mundane but murderous activities of the conscripted "Einsatzgruppen",.... all points to the effects of authority, nationalist group-think, and cognitive dissonance in regard to systematic barbarity.

    ....and all similarly raise red flags in regard to Abu Ghraib, waterboarding, "extreme rendition", the network of American "Black Sites" across eastern Europe and the Mideast, and the contracts awarded Halliburton to build a series of detention facilities across the southern United States.

    Your problem Lucy, is that self-interst is an ideology....Raising the self is the core of your ideology, is the core of all secular ideology and ignoring the drive of self-preservation and self-worship...original sin, is the fatal flaw that your paradigm misses...

    My argument is actually less tangential than yours....You only see the example of when people have been manipulated by their fellows because of original sin and then go on to excuse the actions based on the mainpulation...Psychology only goes so deep and ignores the base nature of all people, as poisoned by inherited, original sin....self-worship.....

    The rise of secularism and atheism in the 19th century fortold what would happen in the greatly advanced European civilizations....and it did to horrific consequences. The secular humanists poor academics regarding their contention that people were manipulated by "christiansts" and not actual secularists (actually gnostics), continues today.

    Sorry Lucy, your ignorance of a fallen soul in every human being causes the fatal flaw in your analysis.....The sins of self are always at the core of criminality...all horizontal degredation.

    ....and somewhere in Iraq is Leprechaun King guarding a pot of gold, who will give three wishes to the superpower that apprehends him.

    Enlist, CHickenhawk! Make an honest Christianist warmonger of yourself!

    The arrogance of men saying that only reason and questioning authority is needed to avoid behavior seen in places all over the globe is a false solution....If that was the case, utopia would have been achieved centuries ago....

    No, sorry, the basic differences of ideology is the importance of self and for anyone to become so defensive regarding the root causes of genocide, demicide or the murder this morning 5 miles away from me in Elizabeth, NJ is the tell tale sign that once again, the nerve to the truth was struck.

    I will always be skeptical and call out such goobly gook as is seen in the posts at 9:48 and 10:08....It is the faux academics of ivory tower philosophers who were just cursing out the poor barista 5 minutes ago over her using regular coffee instead of decaf in the mocha latte.....

    Elites tend to self-congratulate.....Mr. blank FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) is true to form.....

    Poor Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle)....My recognition of a perfect, holy, just and loving creator that stands above to save fallen man twisted into some kind of childish nightmare with devils, pitchforks and the typical leftist red herring....."predestination."

    I will quote the bible like you so frequently do, FLUCKER.....

    "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow his precepts have good understanding. To him belongs eternal praise."

    Psalm 111:9-10
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    Reread my posts, dear FLUCKER....I do have great disdain for man derived, man idolized understanding that exists either seperately from God or IN DENIAL of the existence of Him....The elevation of the self, as is seen in high church doctrine like yours and even in many traditions of the centuries, is the false teaching I recoil at....The superficial conclusions you and Lucy arrive at to the reasons behind "decent" people allowing genocide sounds nice, but it ignores truth that is deeper and disturbing to modern man's comfort....

    Misapply your prejudices to my posts at your own peril, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle).....I love my fellow man and serve him above myself because God commands me to in The Shema and is the ONLY source of, period....It is not based on some false teaching or "high opinion" that actually leads to the very death and destruction you claim.....

    This is the truth that is constent in the scriptures and preached by Christ....He Himself said so in Luke 18, 18-20.

    So Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) do not even think for a second that your self-gratifying "compassion" that is based on some kind of human judgement and parsed out according to some "logical" schema is superior to the commands and power of a holy and loving God....That is a mistake....a mistake born from arrogance and self-rightousness.

    Your misapplication of scripture to elevate man above God is your own problem, FLUCKER....if you read my post correctly....do not even try to say that any representation of the state of man's soul is anything but that as described by Christ Himself let alone the prophets is some kind of denigration of people...it is the truth that you simply ignore. You will not try to refute my arguement because you can't.....You retreat into the traditions and dogma (which have no inherent evil in them) and cry that I am somekind of bigot? Guess what, I accept the sacrament of Communion and rejoice in the sacrament of Baptism....but they are only symbols of something much deeper and hold no magical power within themselves. I sing the Methodist hymns, light my advent wreath and mark Lent.

    Just as the activity of circumcision had no magical powers but was a sign, a symbol of OBEDIENCE to God....

    OBEDIENCE, loving Him and my neighbor because He commands it....not because of some false and unsupported philosophy that is no more scriptural than polytheism.

    You sure are one for the books, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle), so hateful towards me yet blind to it for the simple reason that you think your elitism and self-rightousness makes it ok.

    And what is amusing, is the predestination is a high church doctrine...it seems you have no problem missing the log of denigration in your eye in regards to that tradition whilst pointing out somekind of sliver of denigration in my eye....Please.

    What other high church doctrines are not off limits to your liberal sensabilities, FLUCKER?.....

    Transubstantiation?
    Consubstantiation?
    Transignification?
    Arminianism?
    Calvinism?
    Substitutionary atonement?

    Uh?

    Can you imagine slob on the ship when this happened? It was no threat at all, according to him and the old york times.


    The Pentagon released the entire video of the event after days of fielding questions about the origin of a voice on the initial video that warns in English: "I am coming to you" and then, "You will explode after ... minutes."

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