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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 16, 2008
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - January 16, 2008

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • DEMOCRATIC NOMINATION: Howard Fineman, Rachel Maddow of Err America
    • GOP SLIMING EACH OTHER: Jonathan Alter
    • O'REILLY ATTACK #402: Paul Reickhoff

    Another opening spiel bellowed by The Daily Kos's very own Bathtub Boy: Yesterday's Dem debate! GOP slime machine! Larry Craig! Another O'Reilly attack! Why does Bill O'Reilly hate the troops?!? Britney Spears! It's hump day at Olbermann Watch. We might add it's Blue Blog Source Day as well, but then, that's every day on The Hour of Spin.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #5: Bush called "Hoover", his Middle East tour a "photo-op" [Ding!] Clip of Obama. Clip of Hillary. Karl Rove is a racist! The Pundit for All Occasions yammered. More talk (day 3 and counting) about an uneventful Dem debate. Maddow was a fresh face; she hasn't been on with Keith for at least, oh, 21 hours. Supposedly there to prattle even more about that debate, she manageed to ridicule the Repubs, which is what Olby wanted.

    #4: It's the Republican slime machine! Anonymous fliers in SC smearing McCain and others (Blue Blog Source: Talking Points Memo). KO references the "values crowd" who are "wallowing in the dirt", and insists Huckabee wants to "impose a theocracy". Olby was upset that someone was impugning John McCain's integrity. Don't these people know that calling McCain a liar and delusional is Keith Olbermann's department? Move along, this is his corner!! Lefty Alter muttered. Plus Larry Craig.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #3: Once again, an entire segment on Bill O'Reilly. Yes, this is A-Mess-NBC's "news hour of record". Attack #402 was manufactured outrage over an O'Reilly comment about doubting 200,000 veterans are homeless (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters). Except that's not what he said. He doubted that 200,000 are sleeping in the streets and under bridges every night. But glossing over such details has always been SOP on OlbyPlanet. "Veterans groups" are "unanimously" outraged! Oh, which ones? Monkeymann never said. (Really, you don't expect him to tell the truth, do you?) Reickhoff (of IAVA, the only vet group mentioned) piled on, to Oralmann's glee.

    #2: O.J., book plug, Jessica Simpson. #1: Kevin and Britney. In the Media Matters Minute, it's another example of the circular, convoluted trajectory that Herr Olbermann sometimes uses to distance himself from his own attacks. Here's how it works: Keithy spots (at Olbermann Watch no less) a clip from Fox & Friends. He gets irritated and brings it to the attention of a friendly blue blog, shall we say, purely hypothetically of course, TVNewser? TVN nitpicks the phraseology, giving Oralmann just what he needs. And tonight, just by coincidence, the F&F gang become "worst person" nominees, with language that eerily parallels the TVN post, plus the usual quota of insults and personal atatcks. (Oh, there was also a new claim for the Merklemann mythology: Roger Ailes wanted to hire Olby to host Fox & Friends! If you believe that, we have some lovely oceanfront property in Kansas you might be interested in.) Plus the "racist" Investors Business Daily (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters). But "worst" was saved for "lunatic fringe right winger" Hugh Hewitt and his guest Fred Kagan (Blue Blog Source: Think Progress).

    MisterMeter

    On Tuesday night Fat Ass found himself in third place once again, both in total viewers and in the coveted, pivotal, much-beloved, critical, all-important "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 1 [LOW]


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (129) | | View blog reactions

    129 Comments

    How about KO's tone in calling Gretchen Carlson a beauty queen. Yep, she was a MIss America but she's also an accomplished violinist, graduated with honors from Stanford, and studied at Oxford. And there's a baseball connection - her husband is Derek Jeter's agent. Way to piss off your baseball boyfriends, KO. I bet her husband knows a lot about Olbermann.

    "Which of these stories will people be talking about tomorrow?"

    I don't think anybody but you and the mirror will be talking about O'Reilly, Keith.

    It's a shame that Olbermann continues to lie with each and every broadcast.

    > How about KO's tone in calling Gretchen Carlson a beauty queen.

    Yeah, I'm going to have to revive referencing Keith as a baseball card collector. That's exactly the kind of juvenile cheap shot Olby continually uses against others, so I must remember to return the favor on a regular basis.

    Keith tells it like it is, and it pisses off the wingnuts.
    Ain't that a shame !

    Posted by: at January 16, 2008 9:59 PM

    I don't think you'll find a single person here that says it pisses them off. To the contrary, why. I trhink it's hilarious and sad at the same time that fools like you lap up everything he says, going as far to (try) defending the orange deplorable one. "TDF!" to quote a certain olbyloon.

    But as PT Barnum says, there's a sucker born every minute and apparently, they all gravitate to Olbermann and believe his lies.

    Posted by: at January 16, 2008 9:27 PM

    >>>>

    Keith tells it like it is, and it pisses off the wingnuts.
    Ain't that a shame !

    Posted by: at January 16, 2008 9:59 PM

    How about KO's tone in calling Gretchen Carlson a beauty queen. Yep, she was a MIss America but she's also an accomplished violinist, graduated with honors from Stanford, and studied at Oxford. And there's a baseball connection - her husband is Derek Jeter's agent. Way to piss off your baseball boyfriends, KO. I bet her husband knows a lot about Olbermann.

    Posted by: at January 16, 2008 10:01 PM

    I like E.D. Hill better and was really sad to see her go.

    I used to go back and forth between F&F and Imus when he was on.

    I flip over there less frequently now while watching Morning Joe.

    F&F is by far the best morning infotainment on television and has even made that awful genre palatable.

    A search for "O'Reilly" at the VFW website turned up this:

    Your Search for "OReilly" resulted in 0 records.

    Please try again.


    Veterans groups are unanimously outraged?

    I wish a homeless vet would shoot Bill O'Reilly in the forehead with his war weapon.

    Posted by: Bill O'lielly at January 16, 2008 10:07 PM

    Dangerous but funny.

    Well since it was "unanimous outrage" I figured I'd start with the Veterans groups people have actually heard of. There's no mention of O'Reilly at the American Legion or AMVETS websites either.

    This is a national disgrace.
    But leave it to the hate monger, Bill OReilly to get the facts wrong and then claim his ilk support the military.

    Posted by: at January 16, 2008 10:18 PM

    This is the part where right wingers defend O'Reilly's point by saying that the numbers are skewed and the problem is not as bad as the lefties say. It would be similar to the way they defended the rape of that female soldier in Iraq by downplaying certain details.

    Remember? Claiming, "She changed her story" and other such bullshit to avoid showing anything that could appear to be compassion. You wouldn't want to admit anything was done wrongly by seeming compassionate to a tragedy.

    Yet they have the fucking nerve to cry about "Olbermann's lies".

    Posted by: at January 16, 2008 10:27 PM


    Here's a hint, this is olbermannwatch.com in case you can't read.

    Instead of doing an important story on the homeless vets in this country, Keith uses this topic to attack Bill, Olbermann has reach a new low.

    I give a some credit to his guest on this topic he tried to talk about the homeless vet problem but Keith kept going back to cry about what Bill said.
    Who cares what Bill thinks the number of homeless vets are in this country.

    Then Keith says in any given night you can see 40 to 50 homeless vets right between his studio and the Fox building. I work in that area and I've worked many late nights I have seen homeless people but nowhere near 40 to 50 people. Is this some sort of a dumb joke by Keith?

    Not all homeless people in NYC are vets.

    All Keith had to do is have few guess and do sincere story on the homeless vets.
    That would have made Bill look bad.

    But the way Keith did the story it makes it seem he doesn't care at all about the homeless vets and just used that to try to make Bill a newsmaker.

    The whole thing made Keith look worse than what Bill said.

    This site is a poor excuse for neo-cons, true believers, and cool aid drinkers to console each other. Very,very, sad. Anyway, to read a site that's not actually pathetic go to:

    www.diceclay.blogspot.com

    Thanks for the laugh!

    Jocksniffer turned political hack
    For Olby there's no looking back
    His chips are all in
    With the Party of sin
    In sports terms he's taking a sack

    Tonite is a perfect example of the cowardly RWer's. They had a chance to show a little lack of partisanship and call OReilly on his outlandish lie. But look at the responses.

    posted by patsy/why

    Please, point me to ONE post or comment where you have called the orange faced deplorable one on ONE of his lies. Here's a hint, you can't! You deny his lies are lies or just divert with your cut and paste jobe that are totally off topic. Partisan? Indeed.

    how can I be news-challenged when I did a search in regular news sites for "O'Reilly homeless veterans" and all I get is a bunch of Media Matters garbage? I put "unanimous outrage" in quotes because Olbermann said it, but apparently it's not true, just like all the other times Olbermann has tried to claim.

    Very strange that Olbermann and his extremist water-carriers swear by a government statistic. What is not strange is the fact that they cannot carry on a reasoned debate without profanity. This is why they watch Olbermann...he just tells them what to think and they can go repeat it to the other sheeple.

    Most homeless people are either substance abusers or are mentally ill, or both. Such people should be placed in the funny farm where they belong.

    But most of them like it better on the streets, where there are no rules. Rules like "No booze!"

    It's unanimous if Media Matters and Olbermann say it's true. Facts be damned!

    How courageous of Keith Olbermann to run to the defense of John McCain and just a few weeks after he was making fun of his NH victory speech. Was it the right slime machine that put out the phony story that Obamanation went to school at a madrassa? No it was the Clinton crime family. Was it the right wing hate machine that brought up that Obamanation has a Muslim name (Bob Kerry) or that he did drugs during his youth? No, it was the Clinton crime family. Was it the Republican slime machine that questioned whether or not Obama was "black" enough? No it was the Clinton crime family that said Bill had been with more black women.

    how can I be news-challenged when I did a search in regular news sites for "O'Reilly homeless veterans" and all I get is a bunch of Media Matters garbage?

    posted by great thanks


    Does that answer your question? Media matters and democracy in action, can't get any more anti American than those sites.

    Oh, did I miss the part where Keith reports that Dennis Kucinich is suing MSDNC for keeping him out of the debate?

    I said once and I'll say it again: Olbermann let it slip that MSUSSR fired one its senior producers because he let out their dirty little secret of kowtowing to Olby when he lashed at Fox and Friends for reporting it

    What he actually said was that the comment had been made by someone who had been fired, implying that the guy had nothing to lose by saying it, and his dirt was nothing more than sour grapes. He didn't say that the guy was fired *because* of making this statement, but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. And it's possible that's exactly the way it happened, too, but that's not how I perceived it.

    Anyone that doesn't like KO and speaks up publicly, if they had ever worked for NBC, he's sure to mention that they had been fired from same. Which, I guess, is supposed to make them not credible. Whatever....and if they have ever been fired from FOX, well that is especially amusing.

    Somehow I managed to get myself on Media Matters mailing list. Guess what the last 3 emails they've sent me are about.

    Chris Matthews misogynistic views of Hillary! Clinton. Seriously, 3 emails since Thursday of action alerts to get Chris Matthews off the air because he has called Hillary! "witchy". "Nurse Ratched", "Madam Defarge" and about 85 other names MMA has culled from Hardaball over the years.

    Has KO given Chris a WPITW nomination yet? Hmmm...... Not that I've seen. Where's this put the Olbermannhood Quotient, J$?

    And, where is the MMA outrage over KO's use of derogatory names for women? Want to see where they come down? Just search for Olbermann on their site....the results are mostly " named WPITW" and "O'Reilly misrepresented ."

    Now search for Matthews. See a difference?

    Sorry to run on, but this is actually hillarious.

    On the front page of MMA tonight is a post on Matthews. (http://mediamatters.org/items/200801110010?f=h_top). Under "Other members of the media are also speaking about Matthews' flagrant, persistent sexism." are links to 5 posts from various outlets. The last three are "TalkLeft" and TWO linking to DailyKos.

    DAILYKOS is a member of the MEDIA???????
    Are you kidding?

    > OReilly lies about our homeless vets, and not a peep from the braindead RW'ers.
    Yet they have the fucking nerve to cry about "Olbermann's lies".

    What are they saying at the O'Reilly watch sites? I bet you'd find that info there rather than at OW.

    Calling out KO on his lies does not equal defending O"Reilly. There's no logic there.

    How does O'Reilly's lying justify KO's lying?

    Interesting point by Richard -

    "What he actually said was that the comment had been made by someone who had been fired, implying that the guy had nothing to lose by saying it, and his dirt was nothing more than sour grapes. He didn't say that the guy was fired *because* of making this statement, but I can see how it could be interpreted that way. And it's possible that's exactly the way it happened, too, but that's not how I perceived it.

    Anyone that doesn't like KO and speaks up publicly, if they had ever worked for NBC, he's sure to mention that they had been fired from same. Which, I guess, is supposed to make them not credible. Whatever....and if they have ever been fired from FOX, well that is especially amusing."

    So who is the exec fired for speaking about KO? How does the man have so much power since he says he's not running the network? To say someone is in charge of the network is not exactly worth of dismissal, is it?

    Who's getting fired next? I'd be scared if I worked anywhere near Olbermann.

    You know if I were an olby fan, I'd be a little upset the guy has nothing more to offer besides Bill O. as a new and innovating news report.The guy should try finding someone else to pick on. Try keeping it fresh and interesting.Now he's just a bore. To bad cause I like his Groucho Marx eyebrows.hehehehe

    Oh boy....an anonymous source tells someone that Keith Olbermann, the leftist partisan hack, is running MSNBC and then, to defend himself, he exposes facts about same anonymous source....

    How classy!

    I like how some "journalists" use anonymous sources to berate people like Bush, McCain, Obama, Cheney, etc....yet when they are the target of a source they immediately forget they were just using such a corrupt system for their own selfish goals....can one say hypocrisy?

    Keith Olbermann is not only a hack....he is thin skinned....To impugn a source because he was fired in not to address the issue....it is attacking the credibility of the source....I thought journalists were above such petty moves.

    I remember anonymous sourcing about Gitmo abuses (Koran flushing), secret CIA prisons, wiretapping, etc. and no journalist ever lets us know if these sources were "fired," or any other information regarding their credibility......

    We are just to trust the "journalists." But here, Olbermann brings up an anonymous source's credibility and that's ok?

    The world is quickly becoming a very bad place where one cannot trust what they are reading or watching.......ever.

    I do not normally comment on indictments because the feeding frenzy tendency usually leads to mistakes in the beginning of such stories, but if these charges prove to be true, I think they should throw the book at him.

    He has evolved over the years from being a pro-Israel advocate to the many who have decided to overlook the stark differences between Judaism and Islam in the name of broad ecumenicalism. His republican moniker is all well and good for those with different axes to grind, but his recent activity and speech leaves little for me to agree with.

    If his recent ideas are an indication of his view of islamic terrorism and its causes, I am afraid the charges may indeed be true.

    Again, throw the book at him.

    Terrorism became a partisan issue when Democrats began to ridicule the real threat that Muslim terrorists represent to this country and indeed to the world. Terrorism became a partisan issue when Democrats began to cheer the death of our soldiers in Iraq. Terrorism became a partisan issue when Democrats became more concerned with the fate of citizens in Iraq than they were about their own countrymen.

    Well, the 9:46AM post not withstanding, I do see some on the left using terrorism as a partisan issue with such examples like at HuffPo:

    "The Al Qaida Wing of The GOP"


    ###
    It's politics and I do not whine about such use of news, but to claim purity like the wind driven snow on the left is a bit of a stretch.

    Particularly when the Dems voted for the war right along with the Republicans.

    It's politics and I do not whine about such use of news, but to claim purity like the wind driven snow on the left is a bit of a stretch.

    Posted by: cee at January 17, 2008 10:12 AM

    Learning to sense a difference between those who deal with others honestly and rabble rousing, whether in daily life or in the blogosphere, is key to a sense of perspective as well.

    You've always done that well, Cee. :D

    Just how thin skinned is Mr. Olbermann and the folks at MSNBC?

    Let's check this story out. Nice, but something is missing.

    http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=7262733

    Now, here is the article, from a another news source. But with something that was missing from the last piece.

    http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/television/741493,tvpoll011508.article

    Somewhere, in N.Y.C. Dopey is hitting his head into a Subway poll.

    LOL!

    Rachel Maddow is no "beauty queen"
    One look and you'll know what I mean
    That's what Keith called Gretchen
    (She's pretty fetchin')
    As for Rachel... not even Chuch Sheen

    ...from another...

    Chuck (Charlie) Sheen

    Katy, you just wake up too?

    As for Rachel... not even Chuch Sheen

    Posted by: Katy Turic at January 17, 2008 10:38 AM

    She looked much improved last night. It's finally dawned on her that appearance matters when you're trying to be persuasive in a medium other than radio.

    The lipstick, mascara, and fitted jacket (worn without a shirt so the v-neck could slim her neck) made her look softer.

    Bravo Puck- thats the kind of investigative reporting you'd never see on Countdown. Imagine the coincidence of MSNBC omitting their nemesis from the top ten in popularity. Keith is in the bathtub.

    Along those lines, Cecelia....I was interested in the KOS approach to the Siljander story....it was another opportunity to take a swipe at those scary fundy flat earthers:

    "Let's review. Mark Siljander was one of the original creations of the fundamentalist right wing. Had he won his seat from a less moderate area than Southwest Michigan, he might still be in Congress. Hell, he'd probably be in leadership. So he was shunted aside for a while, but he continued to move in the interconnected world of fundamentalist religion, rightwing politics, and lobbying and financial malfeasance."


    ###
    This is the same logic that many use to tie the activity of the evil Christian rightwing in America to the Taliban. Oh well....with an initial gut reaction I reflected and remembered the source.......

    I love the conjecture, "Hell, he'd probably be in leadership." OK....he's NOT and in fact, he is a much different person than he was when he was in congress....but that little piece of information goes against the grain of fundamentalism is fundamentalism is gonna foment a revolution for theocracy.

    I love the conjecture, "Hell, he'd probably be in leadership." OK....he's NOT and in fact, he is a much different person than he was when he was in congress....but that little piece of information goes against the grain of fundamentalism is fundamentalism is gonna foment a revolution for theocracy.

    Posted by: cee at January 17, 2008 10:56 AM


    Cee, I long ago reconciled myself to the fact that expressions of partisan stereotyping and assumptions, logical fallacies, and sheer paranoia, that you see from the least politically astute black-helicopter-Clinton-death-list Freeper on that site, is the common mode of thinking among the most educated, successful, and intellectual liberal.

    They just express it much more eloquently.

    How many unique guests does orangemann have on every week. By looking at this site almost every day, I'd have to venture my guess as, oohhhh, FOUR? Lefty, Howie, and Madcow, and then maybe somone completely different.

    I do realize that about 80% of the population disagrees with much of what olbydickless says, so that would eliminate them from consideration (no dissenting opinions allowed). But that still leaves about 60 million people in the country. Surely he could come up with SOMEONE different.

    Slovenly, political hack.

    Posted by: cee at January 17, 2008 10:56 AM

    They will never seem to mention the fact that he lost his primary election to another Republican who took his seat. They won't mention that he was used by the Clinton Admin to get "Charity" funds to Kosovo. That is when he decided to start his conversion.

    "Congressman and presidential candidate Dennis Kucinch asked the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to investigate one of his Democratic congressional opponents, Cleveland Councilman Joe Cimperman."
    http://blog.cleveland.com/openers/2008/01/kucinich_asks_feds_to_investig.html

    I guess Dennis forgot his pocket constitution that day or maybe it is missing the freedom of speech section.

    We used to get people who claimed veteran status come to our church and ask for money for a hotel.

    We usually told them they could go to the VA for free (which was true). They would refuse because they wouldn't let them have 1) alcohol or drugs 2) women 3) they just came from the VA and were kicked out because they had worn out their welcome by doing 1 or 2 or being abusive to the staff.

    Many of the "homeless" vets are homeless because they chose to be selfish.

    And I use my name because I am not a wimp who has to remain anonymous.

    Terrorism became a partisan issue when Democrats began to ridicule the real threat that Muslim terrorists represent to this country and indeed to the world. Terrorism became a partisan issue when Democrats began to cheer the death of our soldiers in Iraq. Terrorism became a partisan issue when Democrats became more concerned with the fate of citizens in Iraq than they were about their own countrymen.

    Posted by: Terrosim IS a partisan issue thanks to the Dems at January 17, 2008 9:46 AM

    Hits home for the(d)'s.

    How about KO's tone in calling Gretchen Carlson a beauty queen. Yep, she was a MIss America but she's also an accomplished violinist, graduated with honors from Stanford, and studied at Oxford. And there's a baseball connection - her husband is Derek Jeter's agent. Way to piss off your baseball boyfriends, KO. I bet her husband knows a lot about Olbermann.
    Posted by: at January 16, 2008 10:01 PM

    "Don't hate me because I'm beautiful..."

    I guess we can't say pelosi hasn't done anything since taking charge. She changed the menu in the kitchen. A fine job, nancy.

    By the way Keith Olbermann, looks may fade, but stupid will forever be stupid. Moron.

    Tonite is a perfect example of the cowardly RWer's. They had a chance to show a little lack of partisanship and call OReilly on his outlandish lie. But look at the responses.

    posted by patsy/why

    Please, point me to ONE post or comment where you have called the orange faced deplorable one on ONE of his lies. Here's a hint, you can't! You deny his lies are lies or just divert with your cut and paste jobe that are totally off topic. Partisan? Indeed.

    Posted by: royal king at January 17, 2008 12:04 AM

    crickeys........

    Thanks Puck for the links. Although Bill O'Reilly #8, and Homer Simpson #9... say it isn't so!

    Yet, it is a Republican who was indicted. I guess reality sucks.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 17, 2008 1:38 PM


    I think cold cash has a (d) after his name.

    Olbermann's attacks on O'Reilly are totally self serving. As the anti-O'Reilly he gains traction with LW nuts and other commie sympathizers. Over 400 attacks and counting, some news show. What a fool.

    I think it's funny you can't make a post w/out bringing up the (R) being indicted. Just like the caig fiasco. Your little scoreboard up there is a little off. Actually, it's a lot off. I don't think you want me to correct it, do you? Just so you know, I think that little weasel, siljy, who was more of a republicrat, than anything should be put in front of the firing squad on pay per view. The next night, same channel, should be Ted Kennedy. Followed by Murtha. A 2fer.

    Bribes = Abramoff = Republican = 5+,
    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 17, 2008 4:46 PM


    You forgot Harry Reid.

    Nice try, phony royal king. Nothing better to do? Poor pitiful life.

    In response to anonys post, she forgot hundreds of (d)'s. She obviously held her hands over her ears during Dinjee Harry's shady real estate deals. She definately didn't hear about them on Olbermahns comedy show. CNN didn't bring them up. Media matters didn't plaster it all over their hate site. Arianna didn't plaster it all over her hate site, either. Putting land in his sons name, changed the zoning then sold it for 4 times the amount. No big deal. Barbara Boxer did the same thing, no big deal. Pelosi did it too. Just sweep it under the carpet.....

    Johnny, would you please tell everyone who this loser is @ 7:50? He's itchin to be exposed. It's either wasted or patsy. Betcha 10 bucks.

    > Johnny, would you please tell everyone who this loser is @ 7:50?

    Here's a hint: one of his favorite words is "Bovine".

    Thanks, Johnny. It's usually fairly obvious, he must be trying to be a bit more inconspicuous. Failing at that, too. Sorry, wasted, for lumping you in with patsy.

    The words "estimated", "estimation", "estimate" all indicate that there is no true count of the homeless, let alone a true count of how many are veterans.

    This past Tuesday, for example, while the stock market buckled

    The Saudis decapitate criminals, apostates, foreigners, homosexuals, Christians, women and even witches.

    posted by bob

    Where were you when the stock market was shattering records? I don't remember you crying here then. Where were you when Americans were being beheaded in Iraq? I don't remember you coming here and crying then, either. Maybe I missed it....

    Looks like Keith has lied again:

    "Jan. 17: Worst person: Presidential candidate Gov. Mike Huckabee, R-Ark., was quoted as saying that two men getting married is the same as pedophilia or bestiality"

    The thing about that is that Governor Huckabee never said such thing:

    "Well, I don’t think that’s a radical view to say we’re going to affirm marriage. I think the radical view is to say that we’re going to change the definition of marriage so that it can mean two men, two women, a man and three women, a man and a child, a man and animal"

    Notice Blind Partisan asshole has nothing to say about THAT.
    That's why he is known as the blind partisan asshole.

    Posted by: at January 17, 2008 10:39 PM

    Tonite is a perfect example of the cowardly RWer's. They had a chance to show a little lack of partisanship and call OReilly on his outlandish lie. But look at the responses.

    posted by patsy/why

    Please, point me to ONE post or comment where you have called the orange faced deplorable one on ONE of his lies. Here's a hint, you can't! You deny his lies are lies or just divert with your cut and paste jobe that are totally off topic. Partisan? Indeed.

    Posted by: royal king at January 17, 2008 12:04 AM


    more crickeys........

    Richard Cohen in the Washington Post:

    The greatest mistake Israel could make at the moment is to forget that Israel itself is a mistake.

    Un-freakin’-believable.

    Republican race cards, such as Willie Horton
    Posted by: at January 17, 2008 10:45 PM

    Actually Willie Horton was brought up by a Democrat friend of Dukakis running against him in the primary. Democrats made Willie Horton and issue. Once again you prove you are a moron. Uneducated and ignorant.

    Please, point me to ONE post or comment where you have called the orange faced deplorable one on ONE of his lies. Here's a hint, you can't! You deny his lies are lies or just divert with your cut and paste jobe that are totally off topic. Partisan? Indeed.

    In case you forgot, your ass is camped at olbermannwatch.com.

    The "debate" wasn't illuminating or even entertaining. Instead of sharp, pointed exchanges, we got another rambling forum with all the depth of a beauty pageant.

    From the first question, it flopped. A guy named Zach from Provo asked each candidate to tell us what would make them more effective than the other candidates.

    Now, that's hardball.

    Left on CNN's cutting room floor were plenty of better and tougher video questions.

    One asked Hillary Clinton whether her husband's philandering in office could hurt her chances of capturing the White House.

    Another questioned Sen. Barack Obama, who wrote of his own drug use when he was young, and about his views on legalizing drugs.

    http://www.nypost.com/seven/07242007/news/columnists/cnn__crazy_news_network_columnists_charles_hurt.htm

    "why," I'm not here to defend O'Reilly, in case you haven't noticed. Speaking of him, I did catch about 5 minutes of his show tonight, just enough to see him debunk the old york times piece that you cut and pasted on the Iraqi Vet/murder rate. Keep your face buried deep in that shit hole, ok?

    How about an actual BOR quote from the transcript? Did BOR actually say there weren't ANY homeless vets as you claim? Or was he challenging the numbers? You seem a bit hysterical here WDYSAP.

    "why" between you and patsy, you guys post so much off topic left wing hit pieces I can't keep track, neither can you guys. The iraq vet murder rate piece was posted by one of you guys yetserday or the day before. Could it be because you don't use a name most of the time the reason for confusion? No accountability is the reason you guys don't use names. You can post total crap and deny it was you. I can always find out...........

    Wasted,

    I did not mention soldiers. I made assertions about the homeless.

    If you believe my statements about the homeless are untrue then say so.

    The reality that a majority of homeless people are homeless because of addiction and mental illness does not fit into the left's lie that the economy and redistribution of wealth are the cause and treatment.....This goes to the heart of John Edwards using homeless vets as an issue....an illogical and demogogic one, BTW.

    I have seen many Vietnam and Gulf War vets receive wonderful treatment and thrive after horrible PTSD....usually they have a great family support or friend network and realize their problem and try very hard to stay away from self medication (illegal drugs, alcohol and or tobacco)....The sad cases are the more severe ones that are not responsive to therapy and ones that occur in people who have severe addiction issues. Also, the lack of a personal support network put many of these men and women further back.

    Politicians will not solve this problem. They like the issue to push for broader and uninvolved initiatives, but this is disingenuous. The left use the soldiers to push their worldview when they know their examples are not logical and only good for pulling at the heartstrings.

    The REALITY is that there will always be a percentage of people, no matter what their mental, physical or circumstance challenge, that will not be saved....It is a reality that politicians leave out of their rhetoric because they are not compassionate people. Having compassion on these people means trying ones best AT A PERSONAL LEVEL, not a policy level, to help them.....

    That is why O'Reilly's hit on having some of these homeless people live in Edward's HUGE mansion is funny......the typical leftist does not see the log in his own eye when it comes to having compassion on people who have not been as blessed as they have.....all they know how to do is point, blame, use and go on to the next issue.

    The REALITY is that there will always be a percentage of people, no matter what their mental, physical or circumstance challenge, that will not be saved....It is a reality that politicians leave out of their rhetoric because they are not compassionate people. Having compassion on these people means trying ones best AT A PERSONAL LEVEL, not a policy level, to help them.....

    That is why O'Reilly's hit on having some of these homeless people live in Edward's HUGE mansion is funny......the typical leftist does not see the log in his own eye when it comes to having compassion on people who have not been as blessed as they have.....all they know how to do is point, blame, use and go on to the next issue.

    Posted by: cee at January 18, 2008 10:57 AM


    That's one reason why I think the idea of govt partnering with groups and programs that work is a good idea, whether those programs are faith-based or not.

    Where I live, we have a free clinic that is operated downtown in the midst of the worst type of poverty and crime. It's staffed by volunteer medical personnel and people who are trained to assist them. There are some paid employees, but these jobs are mostly clerical.

    I don't wish to go into any details, because we've seen recently that this really is the Wild West blogosphere..., suffice to say the biggest difficulty is treating mentally ill homeless people who don't have the sort of structure that facilitates their being taken to the MHC for a monthly injection of medication.

    It's tough, but it is done best on a local level with both public and private programs. There is a tremendous and unsung network of church related charities and programs. In the early days, of the clinic, Pat Robertson's 700 Club "Operation Blessing" did a great service in providing basic medical supplies, when local hospitals were still wary.

    Thankfully we've gotten past the days when so many o us would pull our hair out over 16 year girls with two children being given a subsidized apartment and monthly income. (No matter what the rules, INVARIABLY the much older men moved in.)

    The biggest threat with a partnering of the public and the private is the corrupting effect that "money without a face" can have on local charitable enterprises, and that such initiatives can be a means for politicians to rewards certain constituencies.

    What else is new....

    See what happens when you don't get past 3rd grade. Patsy is a prime example. Being an olbyloon doesn't do him any good, either. He has no idea what quotes are for. They are for quoting people, patsy. Putting them in front of and behind your lies don't make them true. Now, "go kill yourself," ok?

    Just a stab, as you requested.

    I think it is the same unidentified person who hired Craig Livingston of the 700 FBI Filegate and miraculously placed the Rose Law Firm's billing records in the POTUS and FLOTUS personal living quarters.

    I would have hoped that that miscreant had been outed before causing more mischief.

    Grammie

    Whitewater, Travelgate, Pardongate, etc, etc. is wiped from 'whys' memory, I see. Whitewater who? Travel what? Pardon who?

    473 emails missing.

    The Nixon Watergate tapes were only missing 18 1/2 minutes.
    This administration makes Nixon's look like choir boys.
    Love to hear the excuses by the RWer's on this one.

    Chirp, chirp, chirp! Squak, squak!

    Cecilia: You can take a stab at this one too.

    Can't wait.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at January 18, 2008 9:41 PM

    I'd be glad to, Why. How about the obvious "stab".

    Let it be investigated and if there's malfeasance or legal negligence, then let the people who are culpable pay the penalty.


    Ditto from me.....investigate for reasonable proof there was illegal activity and apply the law.....

    It worked for the Clintons....it will work for the Bushies.....

    The political implications seem to already have been concluded and I can live with that reality as well.

    Well anon, what's good for the goose is good for the gander...Clinton Co. intimidated and "lost" or "did not recall" much during their 8 years and no one on the left seemed to mind.....

    So....like I said....IF (and it's a big if) there is any evidence of wrongdoing....due process and follow the law.....

    I will not whine about the political ramifications (like you seem to be doing)......it's a "dog eat dog" world and the reality seems to bother some.....

    I am only dealing in the reality of political gamesmanship, FLUCKER....the Clintons used poltiical intimidation to shut up witnesses and records "disappeared," and both he and HRC said, "I don't recall" quite a bit when they were in trouble....

    E-mails, whether they contain damning information or not, are things that can simply be deleted by accident or gone missing with NO malfescence.....just like memories and hard copy law files.....The thing that bothers me is the whining of those on the left that seems to imply that such activity is ok when it comes to their political allies and evil when it comes to those under the Bush regime.....

    No one has uncovered illegal activity and indicted anyone yet the left is crying already....seems a bit premature especially since their own leaders have dirt on their hands and they never said a word....they actually had a pep rally on the White House lawn for one such guy....the adulterous sodomite....

    How ironic that the Bushies got rid of the emails to cover up their other scandals that they had to hide.

    Oh yes, let's investigate.
    Funny.

    Posted by: at January 19, 2008 10:42 AM


    Perhaps an automatic pronouncement of guilt, followed by a firing squad at dawn, might be more suitable to your thinking?

    (The "obvious stab" will NEVER be enough for these folks, anymore than they can tolerate any deviation in thinking from a Chris Matthews or Lawrence O'Donnell...)

    FLUCKER expands the conspriacy to include lots of geeky IT guys....wow....I suppose the Bushies should have been like Clinton Co. and just used those hard files and snail mail....much easier to destroy with less people involved...

    This means the Bushies should be easier to catch in their crimes....more people in a conspiracy to break the law means more people to turn state's evidence....we shall see...

    But again, the Bushies are bumbling fools and should be easy to catch......no, wait....they are brilliant fascist villians lead by the brilliant Dark Lord Cheney and will be hard to catch in illegality.....wait.......

    The inconsistencies in the left's story line about illegality in this admininstration makes me dizzy.....I'll self medicate with some meclizine.....

    You have to admit, however, Bushies have been masters at destroying evidence. It will be a difficult investigation.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 19, 2008 10:14 AM


    Can you say Sandy Burgler?

    E-mails, whether they contain damning information or not, are things that can simply be deleted by accident or gone missing with NO malfescence.....just like memories and hard copy law files.....

    Posted by: cee at January 19, 2008 11:00 AM

    You don't understand yet, Cee. This innocuous and obvious statement sounds about as realistic to them as saying O.J. might have not killed his wife.

    When you've built meme upon meme upon meme, there's no going back from that. There doesn't have to be DNA evidence. It's all "we know they're guilty because they do this sort thing"... What sort of thing? Destroy evidence. When we were they found to have destroyed evidence? Wilson and Plame said and Cheney, Halliburton, and trips to CIA headquarters show....

    I don't know, maybe Bush was found stuffing email in his socks... God knows politicians of every sort can be creeps, however, you'd like to see a logical progression that was more than the flimsiest of circumstantial memes. That expectation in itself is proof of your closed-mindedness in their book.

    Olbermann CAN'T have a Bush Administration official or other representative on his show to counter this sort of allegation. To Keith and company it would be PRECISELY the same as having someone on to defend convicted assassin James Earl Ray.

    Agree with them or say nothing. Even the most passive of "wait and see's" and "let them pay if they did"... just will not do.

    Yeah Cec....the problem is I also have to contend with the fallacy that this is a "Christian" administration....whatever that is supposed to mean, and that any deviation from the Talibanesque standard the left has for such people must be met no matter what.....for an example of that avenue of attack....see Why's response on the January 18th thread....

    There is no pleasing these people!....I feel like a 5yo Nadia Comaneci dealing with her gymnastics coach.

    Can you say Sandy Burgler?

    Posted by: royal king at January 19, 2008 11:58 AM


    crickey's....

    Can you say Sandy Burgler?

    Posted by: royal king at January 19, 2008 11:58 AM


    crickey's....

    I will bring up the fact clinton was a disgrace to the oval office any time I feel like it. Especially when the spolbyloons cry "Bush is bad."

    Bush is not my hero. He has let me down in more ways than one. Immigration, being the biggest one. McCain is struggling for the exact same reason. That and aligning himself with Feingold.

    That's strange.

    I did the same thing and got 52 hits.

    My google is better than your google, nah nah nah! :)

    Grow up and get a life. Only a spolbyloon troll would make an issue of someone coining a word to be used in the specific context of OW.

    Grammie

    Janet, just for fun I did it, too. I got 74 for singular and 52 for plural. I was baffled, also, as to why he would google it. Maybe he was attempting to claim I stole the word? Maybe he was looking for an official definition? I simply combined secular progressive with olbyloon. They seem to go hand in hand, so to speak.

    Philby, Burglar did no such thing. Where are the missing documents? Did he hand them over? No, he didn't. The truth will come out, someday. He commited the crime of the century, whether you like to admit it or not. Keep apologising for him, though. It speaks volume.

    RK, who knows what motivates spolbyloons?

    I suspect anyone who can understand them has some serious issues of their own. :)

    Grammie

    Took ya a half hour to correct yourself? I was gonna let it ride......

    Philby, the Burgler crime is not over. There are still people working to find out what documents he refused to turn over. Probation is far from a severe penalty. Your 12:58 is yet another apology. I can only imagine how loud you and why would be screaming if Burglar was an (R).

    Berger was reviewing the materials to help determine which Clinton administration documents to provide to the Sept. 11 commission.

    Breuer said Berger knowingly removed the handwritten notes by placing them in his jacket and pants and inadvertently took copies of actual classified documents in a leather portfolio. He returned most of the documents, but some are still missing.

    Let's see. Scotter Libby....bimbo....30 months in prison. Sandy Burgler......9/11 documents......trash detail. Scooter Libby...bimbo....30 months in prison. Sandy Burgler.....9/11 documents......trash detail.......I just can't decide which is worse.

    I didn't know Daniel Horowitz took on "frivilous" lawsuits. A secular progressive like youshould be all for free speech, right? Only when they sing you song, that's right. How soon I forget.

    "And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers. Qur'an: Sura 2:191"

    Together, the 1st and 2nd Amendments make up the last line of defense between the American people and tyranny, whether it be the tyranny of foreign invaders, international and homegrown terrorists, or our own federal government. By calling for irrevocable freedom of expression in the very 1st amendment, The Founders obviously made clear that they held the free exchange of information in highest esteem.

    Americans recognize there are many forms of expression such as MoveOn.org hit pieces in the New York Times, KKK rallies, gay pride parades, and myriad other ways to exercise free speech that we may not necessarily agree with, but we take the good with the bad and tolerate even the outlandish, as long as nobody slanders, advocates violence or gets hurt.

    Without unhindered freedom of expression, there can be no criticism.

    Of anybody. Many forms of art; talk radio; political satire, parody and other types of comedy; graphic forms of political or social protest;

    All would be threatened without an intact 1st Amendment. But this cherished freedom has recently come under withering attack by the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR).


    All that, with no evidence. Astounding!

    Johnny, would you please tell everyone who this loser is @ 7:50? He's itchin to be exposed. It's either wasted or patsy. Betcha 10 bucks.

    Posted by: royal king at January 17, 2008 8:22 PM

    Well, you owe me $10 RK.
    I won't hold my breath.

    Grow up and get a life. Only a spolbyloon troll would make an issue of someone coining a word to be used in the specific context of OW.

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at January 19, 2008 9:53 PM

    You know Grammie, I gave you the benefit of the doubt out here.

    You're just as mean as the rest of the righteous folk. Hiding behind being elderly and all.... Maybe you should grow up.

    Olbyloon Ed


    CAIR – Anything but 'American'


    Posted: December 4, 2007
    1:00 a.m. Eastern

    I'm proud of my friend and colleague Michael Savage today for standing up against the un-American bullies at the so-called "Council on American-Islamic Relations."
    I'm here to endorse his lawsuit and offer any help he needs in combating these thugs who seek to narrow the public debate in America, apparently to conform to the wishes and standards of their foreign supporters in some of the most vicious police states in the world.

    [This is an important case. It's about the defense of freedom of speech. It's about the defense of truth. It's about the defense of justice. And it's about fighting for the American way.]

    http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59005


    >>

    I was baffled, also, as to why he would google it. Maybe he was attempting to claim I stole the word? Maybe he was looking for an official definition? I simply combined secular progressive with olbyloon. They seem to go hand in hand, so to speak.

    Posted by: royal king at January 19, 2008 10:14 PM

    I googled it to try to gain some insight into what makes RK tick. I've come away with a greater understanding and respect for the man that so many chastise. I'm fascinated with all things Royal and Kingly.

    RK, I am now you're #1 fan.

    ^^^^
    Sorry, that was me.

    Johnny, would you please tell everyone who this loser is @ 7:50? He's itchin to be exposed. It's either wasted or patsy. Betcha 10 bucks.

    Posted by: royal king at January 17, 2008 8:22 PM

    BTW, don't you fairly regularly claim to NOT ask J$ who is posting as whom? This does not seem at all consistent with that.

    You are an enigma wrapped in a riddle. It is not for us to understand why you are how you are, but merely to sit by in awe.

    It's the first time I did it, got it? Since you are a proven name jacker, I'm not surprised the avenue you are taking. It's a dead end.......

    nony, address this instead of making asinine comments to proven namejackers, ok?


    [This is an important case. It's about the defense of freedom of speech. It's about the defense of truth. It's about the defense of justice. And it's about fighting for the American way.]

    http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59005

    Wasted said: "Grow up and get a life. Only a spolbyloon troll would make an issue of someone coining a word to be used in the specific context of OW.

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at January 19, 2008 9:53 PM

    You know Grammie, I gave you the benefit of the doubt out here.

    You're just as mean as the rest of the righteous folk. Hiding behind being elderly and all.... Maybe you should grow up.
    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 20, 2008 12:55 PM "

    I am absolutely dismayed to have fallen from grace with you because of my MEANNESS. This trait of meanness, according to you, that is shared by the "righteous folk" (am I wrong to assume that the term is meant to evoke Right Wing/Consevative).

    I will need some moral guidance from you if I am to succeed. I obviously don't understand what meanness is because I thought the following was an example of meanness to the 10th magnitude and it can't be because it is from you:

    "Wasted Entire Keyboard,

    Did you post pornographic statements towards Sharon?

    Posted by: Cecelia at December 10, 2007 11:08 PM

    Yes. Why? Is she "off-limits"?
    Who the hell do you people really think you are? Am I supposed to hold some of you in super-duper high regard because you are church goers? Even if you don't defend others who are attacked right in front of you?

    Its ok for someone on your side to make whatever comments they want. You assholes just sit there.

    Someone makes a comment about St. Sharon, and all hell is supposed to break loose?
    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at December 10, 2007 11:27 PM "

    I am so clueless that I can't figure out which virtues are exemplified by your comment above. Perhaps this would be a good starting point for you to educate me in virtue and how to use it in my daily life.

    Just for the record I called the real* Phony Soldier down at least 3 or 4 times. I haven't noticed you calling down anyone from your side of the aisle, even with all the bestiality comments from that side. It is becoming painfully obvious that my sense of kindness and meanness is woefully deficient.

    Grammie

    PS I've had an opportunity to think more deeply about this and I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing of value that I could learn from you.

    You are a SPOLBYLOON TROLL and I have made a New Year's Resolution re trolls. It is:

    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!


    * Assuming the 'real Phony Soldier' actually is someone from my side of the aisle.

    A is nowhere near the I. Hittin the sauce, already? Translator malfunctioning? If it's a publicity stunt, which it's not, it's working. cair has already backpedaled on defending 2 most recent terrorist suspects. He's also picked up the no. 1 spot in ratings in the socialist San Fran Freako and new york.


    Hey, Grammy! Good to see you out and about around here!

    You two are definitely kindred spirits and partners in crime.


    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at January 20, 2008 7:28 PM

    As you and patsy, are.

    "You two are definitely kindred spirits and partners in crime.


    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at January 20, 2008 7:28 PM"

    Bobo, you seem more overwrought than normal tonight.

    Don't you think that "PARTNERS IN CRIME" is grossly hyperbolic ?

    Grammie
    AKA Machine Gun Kelly :)

    It's the first time I did it, got it? Since you are a proven name jacker, I'm not surprised the avenue you are taking. It's a dead end.......

    Posted by: royal king at January 20, 2008 2:32 PM

    Ummm, no I don't got it. If I got the bull you're spewing I'd need a friggin labotomy.

    You've asked before. You remember, right? Right around the time you changed your name about 10 times one day and wouldn't answer me when I asked you directly if you did it. As if its a big friggin deal.

    And please don't call me a name jacker...
    Its very hurtful.

    I am so clueless that I can't figure out which virtues are exemplified by your comment above. Perhaps this would be a good starting point for you to educate me in virtue and how to use it in my daily life.

    Just for the record I called the real* Phony Soldier down at least 3 or 4 times. I haven't noticed you calling down anyone from your side of the aisle, even with all the bestiality comments from that side. It is becoming painfully obvious that my sense of kindness and meanness is woefully deficient.

    Grammie

    PS I've had an opportunity to think more deeply about this and I have come to the conclusion that there is nothing of value that I could learn from you.

    You are a SPOLBYLOON TROLL and I have made a New Year's Resolution re trolls. It is:

    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

    * Assuming the 'real Phony Soldier' actually is someone from my side of the aisle.

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at January 20, 2008 4:15 PM

    Good for you for calling out the "real Phony Soldier". Maybe you have noticed that I've never referred to YOU in that regard in any way. Up until now, I didn't know enough about you to post whether or not you'd sit by and watch him make fun of "rope smokers" or whoever else.

    You can learn nothing from me? Boo hoo. You mean a bitter old republican hag that took a bitchy tone with me before we've ever discussed anything can learn nothing from little old me? Can't you dig up some other post I made to someone else and dissect it? Couldn't you possibly find SOMETHING redeeming about me? PLEASE?
    I would have to agree with you bitch.
    You and I are obviously two completely different people. You choose to defend complete ignorance out here and hide behind some perpetrated elderly pseudonym.
    Grammie?
    Gimme a fuckin break.

    To me the name Grammie connotes someone who has learned how to talk to people and treat others with kindness. I don't go calling myself "sweetiepie" because I hardly consider myself extra sweet.

    And I hardly consider you Grammie-like.
    More like "old Bitch". Now please continue fawning over Jeff because he and you share the same warped view of right and wrong. You also share the same self-righteousness. "Oh, that was a good point, RK!!"

    When someone posts that nonsense its usually a good sign that they are mentally deranged.

    Funny.
    I don't think Phony Private will be volunteering in any soup kitchens or working to help poor children get health benefits any time soon...nor I doubt will you.
    You two are definitely kindred spirits and partners in crime.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at January 20, 2008 7:28 PM

    Awww...
    Go easy on her Why...
    She's just a lonely old nice coot who's just learning this new computer-box thingy. Just as pure and lovely as the driven snow.

    After a saint bernard gets done with it.

    I wonder where Gummie falls in the penis-in-the-park debate?

    Grammie, do you also defend public displayers of penis?
    Does it matter if it is done in heterosexual circumstances?

    I'm interested to compare your answer with the other saints out here.

    Grammie
    AKA Machine Gun Kelly :)

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at January 20, 2008 8:13 PM

    I tend to picture the old lady in "Throw Mama From the Train" and "Goonies".

    But again, the Bushies are bumbling fools and should be easy to catch......no, wait....they are brilliant fascist villians lead by the brilliant Dark Lord Cheney and will be hard to catch in illegality.....wait.......

    The inconsistencies in the left's story line about illegality in this admininstration makes me dizzy.....I'll self medicate with some meclizine.....

    Posted by: cee at January 19, 2008 11:55 AM


    The inconsistencies in this narrative are diue to the variables that you yourseld insert into it. No one clams Cheney is "brilliant" - he is merely powerful, devious, unprincipled, and unswerving in his efforts to wrest political and economic power from the majority of Americans. He makes many mistakes, but is protected by the apparatus that supports the Bush regime, and that is pushing Hillary as the Dem candidate.

    The brilliant ones run the mainstream media. They are well-versed in how to set up a complex system of dsinformation, including phoney voices of dissent that can prove to be the most useful tools of corporate Machiavellis.

    He makes many mistakes, but is protected by the apparatus that supports the Bush regime, and that is pushing Hillary as the Dem candidate.


    The brilliant ones run the mainstream media.
    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 21, 2008 9:20 AM

    Oh yes, the mainstream media is so fond of Dick Cheney. I always hear them fall all over themselves to compliment him. The Republican Party is running Hillary's campaign with the help of Fox News and the Free Masons.

    I think it is time for more medication SLOB.

    I think it is time for more medication SLOB.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 21, 2008 11:39 AM

    Loony left, no doubt, but all wool too, as my grandmother used to say.

    Besides, Sir Loin is sorta the rubber chicken of the board. He's comic relief.

    Besides, Sir Loin is sorta the rubber chicken of the board. He's comic relief.

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 21, 2008 1:21 PM

    Comic relief? then why is it that everyone from rk to Cecelia to Phari-cee to Brandon constantly critique me as "humorless"? Make up your scattered, servile minds!

    I've never said you were humorless, socialist, yes. Hateful, yes.

    Comic relief? then why is it that everyone from rk to Cecelia to Phari-cee to Brandon constantly critique me as "humorless"? Make up your scattered, servile minds!

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 21, 2008 2:26 PM

    hahahahaha!

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