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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 21, 2008
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - January 21, 2008

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • DEMOCRATIC RACE: Jonathan Alter, Richard Wolffe.
    • PROJECT RUDY: Slippery Shuster
    • BUSH, THE MOVIE: James Moore, Huffington Post hack

    The Daily Kos's very own Keith Olbermann bellowed the opening spiel: Controversy over Bill Jefferson Clinton! John Edwards stands tall! McCain ahead of Rudy! The Bush movie! Herr Olbermann doctors a Coulter clip! Stand by for fun: it's blue Monday (Say what? Every day is blue on OlbyPlanet!) at Olbermann Watch.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #5: Hillary vs Obama vs Clyburn vs B.J. What? Where's the "Democrats in Disarray" headline? You know, like the "GOP in Disarray" that Olby spouts when Repubs disagree with each other? Oh wait, this is OlbyPlanet. Lefty Alter nattered until the sound went out. Next KO focused on a favorite of his puppet-masters, John Edwards. Fixed News! [Ding!] The Wolffe Man simpered.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #4: St Rudy of 9/11! [Ding!] To cover Republicans, who better than Slippery Shuster? He claimed Rudy "is in serious trouble". That has them popping champagne corks at the Giuliani headquarters, since it came from David "Karl Rove will be indicted" Shuster. Olby ridiculed Johnny Damon for endorsing Rudy and Slippery's inane grin couldn't get any wider, then made fun of Chuck Norris.

    After a reference to Orwell [Ding!] came #3: Bush, the Oliver Stone Movie! He was a "frat boy", quoth Olby. It's the Bush's Brain [Ding!] guy! Olby slips in a book self-plug and the Brain guy gushes: "Oh yes, oh yes". It's a "horrible economy" and the film will be a "horror movie". Bear notes Bush's "ignorance" and suggests that what we need is a movie that's "supremely negative about the man". Great thanks.

    #2: Footballisms and self-praise from television's great narcissist. #1: Depressing days, Katie Holmes, and celebrity drivel.

    In the Media Matters Minute Oralmann first attacked John Bolton (Blue Blog Source: Talking Points Memo), and Dick Morris (Blue Blog Source: Hillary Clinton's Media Matters), plus a Fixed News! [Ding!] Worst was Ann Coulter (Blue Blog Source: Cliff Schechter).

    It should be noted that in the opening spiel, and during teases during the show, Edward R Olbermann consistently claimed Coulter said Eisenhower and Nimitz were "Confederate officers", and played this clip to prove his point, cutting it off at a very strategic point:

    The majority of military bases in this country are named after Confederate officers: Eisenhower, Nimitz.

    Actually, that was a typical Olby distortion. Here is Coulter's actual complete quote before Olby doctored it:

    The majority of military bases in this country are named after Confederate officers. Eisenhower, Nimitz: the list of southerners in our military is legion.

    After misrepresenting what she said for 80% of the show, Monkeymann finally admitted that, well, no, maybe she didn't really say that. But had pounded it enough times so that he put the idea into the heads of his lemmings, and that's all that counts on OlbyPlanet. Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 2 [LOW]

    And that's The Hour of Spin for this, the 623rd day since the declaration that "Karl Rove will be indicted".


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    MORON PARANOID BU$H WIPES

    Posted by: at January 21, 2008 10:21 PM

    Thanks, Patty Cakes!

    Hello! Cecelia!

    Hope you are doing swell!

    Did you watch the (D) debate?

    Posted by: Now I'm Patty Cakes? at January 21, 2008 10:33 PM


    Hey, Patsy, back atya.

    No, I'm tired of the debates. There's been too many.

    The American public is going to be sick to death of this election by July.

    Posted by: Now I'm Patty Cakes? at January 21, 2008 10:33 PM


    No, just a loser, plain and simple.

    I loved the Dem debates tonight. The Clinton crime family is tearing the Dems apart. The princess of Wal-Mart and the wife of the first black president. LOL

    Good to see Olby has not lost his fondness for spreading lies. You can tell Olby hates Obamanation since he keeps trying to prop up John Edwards who is stealing votes from Obamanation. Now we know Edward's is a closet racist. He will back Hillary and get the VP nood. Count on it.

    His political bias sublime
    On Republicans he'll drop a dime
    "I'm neutral" he'll boast
    Then blog Kos and Huff Post
    A tool for Clinton's family of crime

    What? No attack on me tonight? That's not a good start to this week. Gotta feed your Olbsession.

    lets see--fat ass --or as we all know him--no talant baseball card hording hack---never mentioned that fact that his boy crush--Bill Clinton--was on camera --sleeping as MLK III was at the lectern --at an even honoring his father on MLK DAY!Yea--that's respect---and fat ass lovingly call Buba the first Black President.How insulting---hot like fat ass to hide even more evidence that his man crush --Clinton--despises Blacks

    lets see--fat ass --or as we all know him--no talant baseball card hording hack---never mentioned that fact that his boy crush--Bill Clinton--was on camera --sleeping as MLK III was at the lectern --at an even honoring his father on MLK DAY!Yea--that's respect---and fat ass lovingly call Buba the first Black President.How insulting---how like fat ass to hide even more evidence that his man crush --Clinton--despises Blacks

    Interesting poll results about public perception and trust of various media outlets @:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brent-baker/2008/01/22/fnc-highlights-latest-poll-showing-public-recognizes-liberal-bias

    "In the “Grapevine” segment, fill-in anchor Bret Baier recited how the survey determined “45.4 percent of the respondents think journalists and broadcasters are mostly or somewhat liberal. Just 15.7 percent think they are conservative.” He then ran through how “44.9 percent view CNN as liberal; 41.9 believe the New York Times leans left; 40.3 for National Public Radio and 38.8 for MSNBC.” As for as which outlet is “most trusted?” FNC “led the way with 27 percent, CNN at 14.6, NBC News at 10.9, ABC News at seven, local news 6.9. CBS 6.8, MSNBC four and Public Broadcasting at three percent.”

    In the "most trusted" MSNBC did manage a strong finish with 4% over the dead last PBS @ 3%. Sacred Heart University conducted the poll and a link to the poll is in the article.

    Grammie

    Surely falling asleep numerous times on camera, during a speech by MLK's son, on MLK's day, will merit WPITW, eh?

    http://www.sacredheart.edu/pages/20786_americans_slam_news_media_on_believability.cfm


    Janet, here are the details from the site:

    By four-to-one margins, Americans surveyed see The New York Times (41.9% to 11.8%) and National Public Radio (40.3% to 11.2%) as mostly or somewhat liberal over mostly or somewhat conservative.

    By a three-to-one margin, Americans see news media journalists and broadcasters (45.4% to 15.7%) as mostly or somewhat liberal over mostly or somewhat conservative.

    And, by a two-to-one margin, Americans see CNN (44.9% to 18.4%) and MSNBC (38.8% to 15.8%) as mostly or somewhat liberal over mostly or somewhat conservative.

    Just Fox News was seen as mostly and somewhat conservative (48.7%) over mostly or somewhat liberal (22.3%).

    The most trusted national TV news organizations, for accurate reporting, in declining order included: Fox News (27.0%), CNN (14.6%), and NBC News (10.90%). These were followed by ABC News (7.0%), local news (6.9%), CBS News (6.8%) MSNBC (4.0%), PBS News (3.0%), CNBC (0.6%) and CBN (0.5%).

    In 2003, CNN led Fox News on “trust most for accurate reporting” 23.8% to 14.6%.

    ANONYMOUS @ 8:33AM,

    Please source your information. I would like to see who did that study/research as well as the actual results. The methodology would be helpful as well.

    Thanks.

    Mr. Satie, don't hold your breath.

    from a KO.org forum groupie:

    "BTW, on IFC (or sundance) they were showing a movie called Strange Culture and it has Keith doing a cameo. Looking so hot, as usual"

    Here's info on Strange Culture:
    http://www.strangeculture.net/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strange_Culture

    I would say ANON got his info from his dog since it is a proven fact that his side has more mental problems and takes more medication for mental problems. ANON's dog beamed thought waves from its brain into ANON's tin foil hat. This is where ANON gets his "logic".

    Fawning article with tons of reporting errors. (Perhaps the author went to the Keith Olbermann school of journalism, or at the very least, where Katy went...)

    "Some of us might remember Keith Olbermann as the SportsCenter anchor who popularized the phrase "En fuego!" when we were younger, circa 1996-1997. He was great in that job, teaming with Dan Patrick in "The Big Show" but like some of his ESPN peers -- Craig Kilborn among them -- he moved on."

    http://media.www.vermontcynic.com/media/storage/paper308/news/2008/01/22/Opinion/Keeping.Tabs.On.The.Newsmen-3159443.shtml

    (IT WAS DAN THAT COINED "EN FUEGO")

    BTW, Chris Matthews is doing a charity function in Philly this Saturday, so Olbermann will be doing the coverage solo or perhpas with Brokaw. Get ready of Clinton spin when she loses, Olbermann is pretty good at it.

    Do you realize, RK, that if Sandy Berger had a dinner named after him and you married her she would be Sandy Berger-King?

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 22, 2008 12:00 PM
    dinner

    -------

    Daughter!

    Ha!Ha! was that stream of conscience, or what? Ha!Ha!

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 22, 2008 12:02 PM

    The best John Edwards can hope for is Attorney General in a Democratic administration.

    You are a bunch of Nazi's. The fact that you have an Olbermann Watch means that Keith is making an impact and his words are killing conservative nazism.

    Insteresting take that Olbermann may have been his own source of the "Keith's running NSNBC" comment....

    “Keith runs MSNBC” - That quote in Men’s Journal wreaked all sorts of havok this week. First, Fox and Friends went off on the quote. This was followed by Olbermann putting the FNC program on his worse, worser, worst list and suggesting the quote came from someone who was recently “fired” by the network. This was followed the next day by an anonymous tipster quote showing up on TVNewser pinning the quote on Davidson Goldin, recently departed from MSNBC as part of the December cutbacks. Goldin has vehemently denied being the one making the quote. However, and I don’t think many people picked up on this from reading TVNewser’s entry, what may have gotten lost in all this is, according to the TVN timeline as it’s written, that anonymous tip came before Olbermann’s on the air swipe. And that detail is one that suggests an interesting pattern. A very interesting pattern…

    Update: I’ve gotten a few emails on this asking me what exactly I’m refering to. I thought it was rather evident but apparently it wasn’t. I was referring to the timing (anonymous quote first going to TVN and then later on Olbermann’s on-air spiel). Nothing definitive can be concluded from this but it’s co-incidental enough to raise a flag for me.

    http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2008/01/20/whats-hotwhats-not-12008/#comments

    Oh boy....the knives were out last night against the first serious black candidate for President....and from who?.....

    Not a republican.....

    Not a conservative.....

    The knives were from Clinton Co......gotta love to see who is trying to stop Obama from becoming President....and the lengths they are prepared to go to....

    Oh well....and on to the nicer party who are still speaking to ideas and principles....not wallowing in negative, personal attacks.....

    John McCain's victory speech from South Carolina sums this election up for me.....

    "We want government to do its job, not your job; to do it better and to do it with less of your money; to defend our nation’s security wisely and effectively, because the cost of our defense is so dear to us; to respect our values because they are the true source of our strength; to enforce the rule of law that is the first defense of freedom; to keep the promises it makes to us and not make promises it will not keep."


    ###
    So far....he's got my vote 2/5/08....it is a great race on the republican side...so many great ideas and men of principle to pick from......

    No so much on the other side....They are more concerned about slum lords, Wal-Mart concerns and....oh, yeah....those ever present eacy Bush pot shots.....

    There will be much for the Democrat nominee to address in the general election....accusations from their own party members!

    Keith Olbermann along with sidekick continue to mock GOP candidates (how did you OW guys miss this!?!):

    Saturday Jan 19, 2008
    Chris & Keith Continue To Laugh At GOP Speeches
    Remember when MSNBC laughed at John McCain's victory speech in New Hampshire?

    Well, Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann (and the MSNBC folks that can be heard in the background) were equally unimpressed with Fred Thompson's speech:

    (links to both mocking via):

    http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlDC/television/chris_keith_continue_to_laugh_at_gop_speeches_75384.asp

    You are a bunch of Nazi's. The fact that you have an Olbermann Watch means that Keith is making an impact and his words are killing conservative nazism.

    Posted by: Jay at January 22, 2008 1:33 PM


    Out of my kitchen!

    The KosKids are really loving that Keith Olbermann blogs at the Daily Kos. Goodness, these folks are easily impressed...(We know Keify is loving every minute of this):

    You know, I've always loved Keith Olbermann's show on MSNBC. I send his special comments to all of my friends. His feud with Bill O'Reilly was not only good tv; it was balm for my troubled soul. And so, when he showed up as part of the Daily Kos community I was thrilled beyond words. But then I thought, what do I really know about Keith Olbermann?

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/18/211831/778/150/439196

    FLUCKER....I read the study....your class arguments.....upper class, lower class, middle class designations and absurd connection to worldview (conservative, liberal progressive (you lost me right there....?progressive?) are NOT supported by the data....In fact, if you read it carefully, your "tend to's" are refutted by the data.

    Unless you have a different study, RK does not owe you an apology.

    Another funny Kos diary where the poster is not to happy with Keith's "TWAT" coverage:

    "Brittney Spears, Paris Hilton, Lindsy Lohan, Winehouse, and any other young white woman, night after night, their twats are plastered across the screen during Countdown, with Keith Olbermann. He's even talked about Brittney's unclothed twat. Apparently there are times when she doesn't cover her twat. On a show that offers so much I just don't understand why he has this fascination with the twats of these mostly young white women. What is up with that? Olbermann's Countdown has become an oasis in a sea of mediocre news programs, but his focus on so many down and out young white women and their twats has become a huge annoyance. "

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/21/32717/0235/44/440335

    What is funny is a comment from a fan afraid this post will scare Keify off...

    "you need to delete this diary this is unbelievably disrespectful. Keith is actually watching this site and this diary is just the kind of thing to offend him away. we havne't gotten this kind of two way from a News Media show before and I for one don't want it to end after the first week."

    by AntonBursch on Mon Jan 21, 2008 at 12:30:02 AM PST

    anony, it took you an hour to dig up the link that refutes almost all of your spew/elitism. If Mr. Satie held his breath he would have died. I would call it sound advise of which no apology is in order. I like how you threw in this little tid-bit after the fact, also......

    "Enterprisers are generally pro-business Republican men, sometimes referred to as Economic Conservatives."

    Well, some KosKids can make sense sometimes.....(plus some comments)

    Countdown w/Olbermann is starting to suck...
    by AnAmericanBystander
    Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 02:42:54 AM PST

    I really hate that I'm writing this post, mostly because it's difficult to criticize one of the few shows out there that at any level speaks to me as a liberal and progressive. That said, like with the quest for better Democrats, I am wanting a better "Countdown with Keith Olbermann."


    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/19/35610/7992/25/439329


    comments......
    I get 1/2 hour every night at 8:00 before I have to turn the TV over to the kids for their latest game or cartoon, so I usually can only watch the first 1/2 of the show. #1 and #2 are about all I can see before the harassment starts ("Dad,is it over yet?" -- don't get me wrong, my kids both think Keith should be President, they just don't want to hang out with him).

    Given that, lately I've been watching around the first 10 minutes and then surrendering the controller because the material isn't holding my interest.

    Sad to say, but this article is dead-on. Countdown has been slipping into the same tar pit as all the other "happy news" shows. About the only thing it's still got going for it is that the host isn't as pompous as some others (hear that Wolf?).

    If it were up to me the thing would be all news, no fluff. 5 or 6 substantive stories a night. But let's face it, that's not going to happen. As far as the bosses at MSNBC and every other network are concerned, news is entertainment -- no matter what the viewers think.

    Well, at least the kids will be happier. Me, I've already started watching BBC every night. Now I just have to get my wife to let me turn up the sound during dinner ...

    by plembo on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 06:29:57 AM PST

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    I Completely Agree, and It Pains Me To Say It (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:Bodean
    I've stopped watching Keith Olbermann! Wow. I cannot believe I'm admitting it. But it's true. There's no 'there' there anymore. It's vapid. All Britney all the time; all "Bill-O" all the time. All "worst person in the world" all the time. It's MTV on steroids.

    His target audience IS younger than me, but not by much. But, the format and the content seem to be changing over to a focus on silly, vapid, inane silliness, and not HARD-HITTING NEWS.

    Come back Keith Olbermann, wherever you are. If you've hired a new producer, fire 'em. Now.

    If you're being pressured into a caricature of anchor-dom by the MSNBC brass, flip 'em a bird. Now.

    Come back, Keith Olbermann. We miss you.

    by SignalSuzie on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 07:18:32 AM PST

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    and, no truer words spoken.....

    He's an opportunist who never liked Obama. We built him up and with time his ratings will crash as a deck of card it was built on.
    by ameri on Sat Jan 19, 2008 at 05:09:41 AM PST

    Why does Keith Olbermann lie...didn't he say that his new book was #12 on the NYT bestsellers? Today it's down to 34. (BTW, the list only goes to 35).

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/books/bestseller/0127besthardnonfiction.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    Hey numbnuts, here's the Jan. 20th NYTimes list:

    12 TRUTH AND CONSEQUENCES, by Keith Olbermann. (Random House, $24.95.) A collection of the MSNBC commentator’s critiques of the Bush administration.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/20/books/bestseller/0120besthardnonfiction.html?scp=6&sq=keith+olbermann

    hey dipshit, try this link, JAN 27th. The latest NYtimes bestsellers, he is 34!

    Hardcover Nonfiction
    Published: January 27, 2008

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/books/bestseller/0127besthardnonfiction.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

    Wow, Olbermann's silly, poorly written book spent ONE whole week on the NYT bestseller list!

    How long has Beck's good book been there?

    How long did Coulter's good books stay there?

    How long did O'Reilly's good books stay there?

    What do the answers to those questions say about the interest peple have in Keith Olbermann and his worries?

    I read T&C borrowed from my local library.....I am not surprised it is doing poorly!

    34 TRUTH AND CONSEQUENCES, by Keith Olbermann (Random House)

    > Today it's down to 34. (BTW, the list only goes to 35).

    Actually it only goes to 15. The "weeks on list" column only includes appearances at 15 or higher, because the list is only 15 titles. The rest are just sorry runners-up.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 22, 2008 2:59 PM

    Typical ANON, he can't back up his smear so he tells you to do his research for him. Then he starts telling us more fables. To quote his favorite pres.
    "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I have ever seen." Bubba

    "Actually it only goes to 15. The 'weeks on list' column only includes appearances at 15 or higher, because the list is only 15 titles. The rest are just sorry runners-up."


    ###
    So true J$.....This is why Olbermann can only accurately claim his book was on the list for......ONE WEEK!

    Anything else he says about "best seller list" is a lie.

    Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle), repeats another big lie.......

    Cause and effect is ASSUMED between the educated (college professors) and their worldview....Perhaps there is another theory....the "ivory tower" theory, dear FLUCKER....Insulating one from the realities of the world, and allowing for the isolation and distance of "real world" experience could also explain the worldview of said college professors....

    This is then self replicating....the college professors, who are "liberal" and the ones educating those rising on the education ladder....molding those new minds (indoctrinating) and not doing what they are supposed to do.....create critical free thinkers.....

    Please speak to the college Freshman and tell me what their professors are "teaching" them.....They are indoctrinating them into a particular worldview....NOT inspiring them or arming them to form a worldview of their own.

    That is the poor education of today, dear FLUCKER...and explains the great shift in world view you assume is only caused by being highly educated....

    Cause and effect should NEVER be assumed.....it is the first mistake common to poorly trained people like FLUCKER.....

    And the use of "tend to" the study totally refutes your "tend to" conclusions, FLUCKER. Economic class showed NO progressive v. conservative v. liberal worldview....you ASSUMED that as well.

    How long has Beck's good book been there?

    It's still there, at #3, up from #4 for the past 8 weeks. That has got to kill Olbermann! Beck, a NYTimes best seller LONGER and BETTER than Keify's book. (longer and better----could mean Beck is besting Olberdouche in the "what's in the pants" department.)

    Wasn't this the guy Olbermann gave a worst person to a few days ago....too funny.

    10 LIBERAL FASCISM, by Jonah Goldberg. (Doubleday, $27.95.) This "alternative history of American liberalism" reveals its roots in, and commonalities with, classical fascism.

    Why do you suppose it is college professors, generally among the most highly educated of us, tend towards liberalism?
    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 22, 2008 3:20 PM

    It depends on what professor's you speak of. Journalism professors are liberal, film school professors are liberal, and Political Science professors are liberal. Most of these professors are professors because they can't go out and make money in their chosen field of study. It also appears that the more liberal college professors have become, the more useless a college education has become. Certainly Journalism has gone down hill year after year and Keith proves that. So run along. Your arrogant, ignorant comments are no longer needed. Anyone who tries to judge the intelligence of others based on bunk is truly a moron.

    BTW, FLUCKER....education is supposed to help people find the truth.....when one takes the attitude, an elitist attitude BTW, that formal ivy lined stone walls education means a "better" liberal person while the apprenticed professional, the apprenticed craftsman, the apprenticed worker, or ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER is anything less than the BA, BS, MA, MBA, MD, PharmD, DVM, PhD. etc is absolutely RIDICULOUS, arrogant and anti-Christian......

    At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

    Try a little humanity and respect, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle)....it would help you.

    Anon- my best business professors always said (everyone of them) that you need to be wary of economic and business professors preaching about good theory.... because if they were good, they'd be millionaires practicing what they preached. One admitted he went bankrupt four times before he finally made it. Professors may be liberal, but only practice life's theory in a pertri dish.

    "Since I am gifted and fearless, your own limitations do not apply to me."

    Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle)....just today!

    "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

    Isaiah 29:14


    ###
    IF you truly seek God as you have claimed, FLUCKER, I would really meditate on what you have said today and contemplate your pride, worship of man's wisdom and general arrogance.

    Wow.

    Bomb-making factory found in Brooklyn apartment of Columbia professor
    BY ALISON GENDAR, MICHAEL WHITE and TINA MOORE
    DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

    Monday, January 21st 2008, 4:00 AM


    A shotgun and rifle are among weapons removed Sunday by cops from home of Columbia Prof. Michael Clatts and Ivaylo Ivanov at 58 Remsen St. in Brooklyn Heights.


    Seven pipe bombs with fuses and bomb-making equipment were also found in the apartment after Ivanov sought help in the early hours of the morning.


    The building where the professor lives.
    Police stumbled upon a bomb-making factory Sunday in the home of a Columbia professor who specializes in the spread of infectious disease - and are investigating whether he and his roommate have terror ties.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2008/01/21/2008-01-21_bombmaking_factory_found_in_brooklyn_apa-3.html

    Before you give advice you should meditate on your hatred, war mongering, and intolerence and other un-christian like things you do daily.


    Posted by: at January 22, 2008 7:42 PM

    Go kill yourself, ok?

    Is there a book of idiocy that you draw from or , God forbid, does this trash actually come from your diminuative brain?

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at January 22, 2008 8:51 PM


    I think Factor's idea came from the fact that you claim to be a PhD... :D

    Hey stay -home drunk: I never "claimed" that I was a PhD. That's just another of your fascination- imaginations.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at January 22, 2008 9:08 PM

    oh, yes, you did, Bobo...

    Funny ....that the only thing Ceclia mentions about the Factor's irrational/delusional rant is about me.

    Just another example of the code of the RWer's.

    BTW...I'll let you have your fun "thinking" I may have said something.

    Posted by: Why Don't You Think at January 22, 2008 9:16 PM


    Thanks, it was funny... Professor Honeydew...

    Thanks, loser/patsy!

    It certainly appears that Factor failed his education, not the other way around.
    The anti-education, anti common sense Factor.

    Posted by: at January 22, 2008 9:02 PM

    No actually I had good professors who encouraged me to challenge conventional wisdom using logic. Some of them were liberals and some were conservative. They were not activists pushing an ideology over facts. I am sure you had excellent professors at Burger College. I am sure you were taught to always ask if your customer wants fries with their meal.

    Actually NewsHounds is full of lies as documented at Johnny$ web site but they do have a blog so do us all a favor and go post you stupidity there. If you can find something on this site that is not factual, point it out or you are a liar. Great Thanks

    Justices rule against Muslim inmate
    Prisoner sued after Quran disappeared in transfer between prisons


    WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court said Tuesday that a Muslim inmate cannot sue the government over the disappearance of the prisoner's copies of the Quran and a prayer rug.

    Bill Clinton May Get Payout of $20 Million
    By JOHN R. EMSHWILLER
    January 22, 2008; Page A1

    Former President Clinton stands to reap around $20 million -- and will sever a politically sensitive partnership tie to Dubai -- by ending his high-profile business relationship with the investment firm of billionaire friend Ron Burkle.

    Mr. Clinton is negotiating to end his relationship with Mr. Burkle's Yucaipa Cos. as part of a broader effort to protect the presidential campaign of his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton, from potential conflicts of interest. Details of Mr. Clinton's involvement in Yucaipa and his efforts to unwind it come from documents and interviews with people familiar with the matter.

    No big deal, it's not like anyone comes here for FACTS, do they?

    Posted by: pricele$$ at January 22, 2008 11:50 PM

    Speak for yourself, will you?

    Speak for yourself, will you?

    Posted by: at January 22, 2008 11:54 PM

    Karmabites wannabe comes here for the poetry... :D

    Posted by: pricele$$ at January 22, 2008 11:50 PM

    Prove that something on this bog is a lie? If you can't you are a proven liar.

    Why not just tell the truth? You've got "FOX" tatooed on your ass, and until you admit you are a partisan tool, your head will be firmly up your "O."


    Posted by: pricele$$ at January 22, 2008 11:50 PM


    I'd rather Fox News tattooed on my ass rather than "loser" on my forehead, like you.

    > since you let off-topic posts and copyrighted copy and pastes stand all the time

    You really aren't very bright are you? Lengthy off-topic cut-and-pastes are not permitted. When are you going to learn how to post a link? When you do I won't keep deleting your crap, along with additional deletions as part of the repeat offender penalty. Don't like it? Consider yourself free to leave.

    Johnny,

    Why are lengthly cut-n-pastes not allowed, but name jacking is?

    Olbermann is just a DNC/Soros hack. You Leftists are really moronic in following this fraud. He's a supporter of the Iranian regime. Do you Leftards support that regime?

    Because I have no control over name-jacking. I've argued for a registration process and I'm pleased that Mr Cox is looking into ways to implement it. That should take care of the name-jacking. It will probably reduce the number of posts, because Olbyloons who can't use a whole fistful of different names will suddenly be at a loss for words.

    As for the lengthy off-topic cut-and-pastes, we're very tolerant here as far as straying from the topic is concerned. But not only is a lengthy cut-and-paste a violation of copyright law, it also clogs up the threads and discourages readership and participation. Even more so when it's egregiously off-topic. But that, of course, is the whole point of it. It's done on purpose just to clog up the threads and damage the site. Otherwise, why don't these people just post a link to whatever it is they are pushing? Because a link doesn't do the one thing they want: clog up the thread.

    Well, I'm glad Mr. Cox is looking into it too.

    There's little difference between superfluous cut-n-pastes and the name-jacking...generally... obscenity laden crap we see here from our liberal elite...brethren.

    Cecelia,

    "...obscenity laden crap we see here from our liberal elite...brethren."

    You mean PATSY, the Virgin Dweeb of OW.

    Why are lengthly cut-n-pastes not allowed, but name jacking is?

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 23, 2008 12:38 AM


    They both serve the same purpose, like Johnny said. Diversion from the fact that the losers committing both offenses don't have the intelligence to defend their hero, Olbermahn. Then again, how do you defend the defenseless? At least mike tried, these losers (they know who they are) don't even try. I would rather have a hundred 'mikes' then one 'patsy.'

    Keith lied, again. On today's show, Keith said that the Bush Administration said they stopped waterboarding in 2002. The problem with that is that they said they stopped waterboarding in 2003. Keith also said that the Bush Administration said they waterboarded two terrorist suspects. The problem with that is that they said that they waterboarded three terrorist suspects.

    From News Busted @:

    http://newsbusters.org/

    I paraphrase only.

    A senior executive at MSNBC admitted that KO runs MSNBC. After seeing the ratings he added.................... INTO THE GROUND!

    I know News Busted is supposed to be satire/parody but it obviously isn't in every segment.

    That segment struck me as a chiseled in stone word from on high!

    Grammie

    I am glad to see both arrogant elitist pseudointellectuals, the famed Professor Honeydew mental midget AND Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle), thought it out and decided to pursue the right path on this thread....leave....

    Perhaps they may indulge their self created lessers on other topics without looking like such snobish twits....or simply move on to other places where their lack of civility and lack of humor is better appreciated.

    "Perhaps they may indulge their self created lessers on other topics without looking like such snobish twits....or simply move on to other places where their lack of civility and lack of humor is better appreciated.
    Posted by: cee at January 23, 2008 5:07 AM"

    I suspect we won't be so lucky, Cee.

    Our TROLLS are just like the trout who pool under bridges and the bears who haunt camp sites. They find it much easier to be fed by the innocent than to forge their own way. They are true to their beliefs. They want to live in a nanny state and thrive on the handouts here.

    I will do my best to follow my own advice:

    DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS

    I do think if enough of us cut them off from their mother's milk they might become an endangered species. :)

    Grammie

    Good morning Grammie. The troll trout are hard for me to ignore....like when I was a child and we made a trip to this fish hatchery near our home......I just had to have those brown pellets....a handful for a dime....and had to see the salmon flip out over whatever is in that stuff......

    Oh well....I was wondering what your latest take is on the republican field. Talk radio is really heating up against McCain. Now that Thompson is out and Romney and Giuliani seem to be the only viable candidates acceptable to some, what do you think will happen?

    I have pronounced a preference for Senator McCain based on his outfront and pretty consistent support for the Bush policy against terrorism combined with his appeal to independents. I can ignore his actions on the Bush tax cuts now that it seems most of that policy is safe in the short term because of market reality. I can also overlook his environmental and campaign finance reform silliness as a trade off for electibility....many independents have bought that line of reasoning and his stand of defense makes that less important to me.

    Giuliani is a close second if he shows some chutzpah and garners a miracle comeback in Florida prior to super Tuesday, which I am voting in here in NJ.....Again, many of his stands are 180 degrees from mine, especially social issues, but his reasurrances and attitudes towards Supreme Court nominees is reassuring. Again, he is right on when it comes to national defense like McCain.

    Romney has improved as a candidate and is right on with the issues for me, but electibility is still an issue for me.

    Huckabee lost any possibility of my support with his criticisms of Bush v/v national security.

    Inspired by the Sisterhood of Disarticulated Economic Theory...

    "The difference of natural talent in different men is, in reality, much less than we are aware of; and the very different professions, when grown up to maturity, is not upon many occasions so much the cause, as the effect of the division of labor."

    - WOW! Imagine that! A free "open thread" to talk about all-things-not-Keith-Olbermann. WOW!

    Be a good little fascist, Johnny BU$HWIPE, and start deleting ALL off topic posts here. Please, do.

    Posted by: Do you have a registration system at January 23, 2008 8:45 AM


    What are you griping about, moron? You ARE allowed to talk about what you wish and always have been. Go try acting as you do on the News Hole board or at Huffington Post and see how long you're tolerated.

    Yet here you are implying that one rule banning long cut-n-pasted material is some sort of censorship.

    Same with a registration system. What a hideous obligation that might be for you to have to be one person and personality just as you are with others in your daily life.

    Does it bother you at all that you've used your freedom to harass someone else? Do you tell yourself that this is okay because they're not against the war in Iraq or for nationalized health care or that they're the ever popular all-purpose condemnation-- "hypocrites".

    It's a pity that you can't manage to behave in a straight forward fashion because you don't like what someone else believes or says. Frankly that speaks more to who you are than does the ability to turn a phrase or your self-avowed "compassion" via public policy.

    It's a pity too that in the context of calling other people hypocrites, racists, homophobes, fanatics, idiots, and greedy bastards, that so many (not all) on the left here have shown themselves to be someone you wouldn't trust to walk your dog.

    PATSY,

    Why don't you get laid for the first time in your life? Of course, you can't. Your fate has already been sealed. The gods won't allow it. If you went to a cathouse they would take one look and laugh you right out of there. "Sorry, Honey, we don't service virgin dweeb village idiots like you. Scram!"

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/misinformation_study

    Bias in the news....
    "The study counted 935 false statements in the two-year period. It found that in speeches, briefings, interviews and other venues, Bush and administration officials stated unequivocally on at least 532 occasions that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction or was trying to produce or obtain them or had links to al-Qaida or both."

    So the report is essentially calling Bush a liar for insisting (along with the rest of the world) that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction 532 times. In hindsite there were no nukes... but we did find stockpiles of chemical weapons. Where is the line drawn on weapons of mass destruction?

    Why don't they do a report and include all the times the brits, germans, syrians, etc., declared there were weapons of mass destruction? Because truth is really not what the media wants...

    How come the yahoo article omitted this fact?

    Despite its claims to be a nonpartisan news organization and profession of the Society of Professional Journalists code of ethics[27], the Center has been accused of bias towards left-wing political causes because it has accepted money from organizations and individuals that favor liberal policies and/or actively oppose right-wing political causes.

    ie. George Soros is a major contributor.

    That is why I did not respond to anon's use of the silly article last night.....

    The "lies" were not only conventional wisdom in the world and repeated by those you mention, benson....Saddam Hussein himself contributed to the impression it was all true by his behavior......

    The anti-freedom left forgets the history and is happy to remain blissfully ignorant.

    Cee,

    Lose the McCain. He has contempt for most Republicans. That means you and I. It is accurate to describe him as a Scoop Jackson Democrat. I will never vote for him.

    Anyone but Hillary includes McCain

    Remember that Rico...

    I understand your point, Rico. And like I said, if Giuliani surges in popularity and returns to the viable catagory prior to Super Tuesday, he may get my vote. I actually fault Giuliani for not pushing harder for the early primaries, especially NH.....he really allowed McCain to come back from the dead.

    I have always liked McCain since 1998. After I read his autobiography in 2000 I decided to vote for him over Bush simply because I am a big believer in the primary cause of the federal government is foreign policy and McCain had it way over Bush in that regard. The same is true now. Romney has no skills regarding foreign policy and his silence last year surrounding the surge policy turned me off. Giuliani at least has been on radio and TV supporting Bush's policy and I give him a lot of credit for it....McCain as well.

    Huckabee is persona non grata in the Iraq policy regard....that is why he will not get my vote.

    In regards to electibility, McCain has the advantage right now as well...for reasons I listed above, Giuliani's tactics on waiting until Florida. No wins and a lot of negative press has really supressed Giuliani's support and I believe most of it has gone to McCain. We will see what happens in Florida, but if McCain or Huckabee wins, I really have to say that Giuliani is in big trouble.

    Romney may still do well, but I am not too sure.

    The anti-freedom left forgets the history and is happy to remain blissfully ignorant.

    Posted by: cee at January 23, 2008 10:25 AM


    You're a gushing fan of Ayn Rand, aren't you?

    Only in regards to the horizontal relationship of the state and citizen do I admire Rand, Loin.....She is dead on right that the government role should be greatly limited and really primarily only act in terms of protecting the citizen from PHYSICAL detriment either domestically or internationally and to provide the LAST RESORT of the courts to settle disputes between individuals....

    Otherwise, she does not go far enough. She stops at man's self interest which is not my worldview. As an individual, God is paramount, not my self interest nor the interests of others. Sacrifice for others on my part is done because God commands it and deems it right, this is also absent from Rand's conclusions which leads to abuse and selfishness. However, the altruism or compassion comes from the individual being obeidient to God primarily, not because there is government incentive or punishment. Once government get's involved in such activity, the self-interest again becomes paramount as history has shown time and again.

    That is the meaning and risk of freedom.....allowing people to choose to act in their own self interest or in the interest of others...right or wrong and to live with the consequences to a certain point as God as deemed. Rand only addresses half of the equation of freedom.

    Cee, assuming you are pro-life, you should know that McCain took Wisconsin Pro-Life all the way to the Supreme Court to try and stop them from running campaign adds. He is not Pro-life as he claims. He is anti-free speech.

    Yes, wannawipe....man is free to either choose to serve himself, others and/or God......

    His inclination and nature is ONLY to serve himself....after he is taken care of, perhaps a small group of others based on some self contrived criteria that reflects his own self interest. The secularist stops there. Faulty.

    That is the equation I refer to.....God is usually missing from it....as Rand is also guilty....thereby my conclusions.....

    No theocracy is necessary in my worldview because THE INDIVIDUAL willfully chooses to obey God....because He commands it. The government is actually a small component to stand against forces not able to be stood up against by the indivdual because of size and power.

    May I suggest you defend Bovine by telling him to stop his hallucinations, again, as you did before?

    I venture he won't and I don't give a fuck whether he stops or doesn't. If not me, someone else will pick on his lunacy.

    Help the Bovine. Tell him to seek medical care.

    Posted by: Didn't you register at the Jawa site? at January 23, 2008 11:03 AM


    Spoken like a true crack pot.

    Rand only addresses half of the equation of freedom.


    Posted by: cee at January 23, 2008 11:09 AM

    ...and triumphalizes the terroristic destruction of iconic buildings while she's at it!

    Actually, you and she are much closer than you believe. She disdains group efforts and collective responsibility in favor of, as you correctly specify, self interest (bordering on self-entitlement and self-indugence, in many of her vignettes); while you do the same in favor of your own hubris. It is, after all, the height of arrogance for one to assume that he actually knows with specificity the unknowable.

    I initially was commenting, however, on the close parallels between Rand's hillariously cartoonish socialist villains and your own frequent descriptions of what you see as my "socialist secular elite". It seemed to me that that portion of your world-view (which you seem to be in the habit of plucking from thick old books) was taken unabridged

    "Sacrifice for others on my part is done because God commands it and deems it right"
    Sacrifice?

    Campaign finance reform and the restrictions it places on issue ads is not a big issue for me. Strength of ideas and the person's ability to communicate and be charismatic is still the honest currency of politics and because an organization is limited in placing TV ads so long before an election affects everyone equally. The far left is just as restricted as people on the right and I actually believe it is a good thing for the democracy to limit these silly 30 second ads that usually only appeal with demogoguery and emotion.

    Individuals expressing their individual speech is not restricted in campaing finace reforms put forward by McCain and that suits me fine. Also, Giuliani is pro-Choice and pro embryonic stem cell research and I hear NO complaints from people like Rush and other "Reagan" worshipers in regards to his stand there so that argument really irritates me.

    I can support Rudy or McCain despite their nonconservative stands. Why can't other conservatives who only tolerate Rudy?

    No, the primary issue for me is national security and Iraq and both McCain and Rudy have been consistent.

    January 23, 2008
    When Enough Rope Isn’t
    By Mark Goldblatt

    "...Which brings us to the current star in the network’s stable of hosts and pundits, Keith Olbermann of Countdown. The crucial thing to remember about Olbermann is that he got his big media break as a baseball card maven, and he remains, even today, a jock sniffer at heart, a refugee from ESPN’s SportsCenter who waded into the deep end of the cable news pool buoyed by the conviction that you can use exclamation points to tighten a syllogism. He has, in effect, brought to nightly news commentary the rhetorical methodology of the average sports debate: You-can-tell-I’m-right-because-I’m-more-worked-up-than-you-are. But the very fact that he reasons in the imperative mood — Impeach Bush! Indict Rove! — puts him on the same wavelength as much of the hardcore Left. Indeed, Olbermann looms at the epicenter of a genuine political zeitgeist, hero to thousands of ill-informed, irrational, relentlessly self-righteous moonbats. Thus, for example, to mark July 4th, Olbermann attempted to take on President Bush with the kind of baritone gravitas that Edward R. Murrow once took on Joe McCarthy.

    You’d need a tic sheet to track the begged questions, hyperbolic claims and outright non-sequiturs in such a passage. Except Olbermann’s not really arguing; he’s accusing. So logic be damned.

    Again, there’s a segment of the political Left that eats up this slop. Why corporations like GE would choose to serve it on a nightly basis is a mystery. But setting aside Olbermann’s manifest intellectual shortcomings, setting aside his nasty, neurotic, O’Donnell-esque obsession with his 8:00 pm rival Bill O’Reilly, there remains the question of how even the limp suits at MSNBC could let pass Olbermann’s interview in the October issue of Playboy:

    Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda — worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was.

    If such a comment escapes even a wrist slap at MSNBC, we’re left to wonder whether the network has any sense of shame whatsoever..."

    http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/01/23/when-enough-rope-isnt/

    Oh, please, Patsy, you don't have a premium on being called all manner of things and on being accused of things.

    Someone insulting you or falsely accusing you provides you no excuse in taking their name and putting words in their mouth.

    If you really championed free speech and were grateful for leeway you've been given here to exercise it, you'd understand that what you're doing is the antithesis of appreciation towards all of that.

    When men place themselves as gods over their fellows, loin, like the socialists and secularists do in their elitist paradigms and systems, Rand is 100% correct. Forcing large groups of people to adhere to a system of worship of the state as wise and correct is the lesson of history and what our constituion guards against.

    God has revealed, through His prophets and in His time here on earth as Christ, the truth in regards to love, compassion and care for all mankind. It is not arrogant to reference those commands and to follow them.

    Sir Loin,

    It would be rather difficult to be a Randian AND a theocrat...

    I can support Rudy or McCain despite their nonconservative stands. Why can't other conservatives who only tolerate Rudy?

    Posted by: cee at January 23, 2008 11:47 AM

    We can trust Rudy more than McCain. We believe him when says he will appoint strict constitutional judges. I do not trust McCain. He seems to care more about what he can do to get applauds on the Daily Show and Letterman than what he can do for his conservative base. To me, being a maverick does not mean you throw your base under the bus to get pats on the back from the left. I do give him credit for supporting the Iraq war when it was not popular to do so but that does not excuse his past actions on other issues.

    Cee,

    I don't think McCain has the temperament to be president. Huckabee doesn't have the experience or the skills. Romney seems as superficial as a game show host.

    We've just got a Bob Dole situation here and we'll have to wait it out and hope someone better comes along in four years.

    I agree with you about McCain, Factor, but Giuliani invariably shows himself to be a weak candidate for office.

    He was a great mayor and prosecutor, because he's a junkyard dog at heart. I love that about him. However, that doesn't translate well into understanding how to run a political campaign.

    From Drudge:

    CABLE RACE: FOXNEWS takes South Carolina & Nevada on Saturday night (5-11pm ET]

    FNC 1.3 million viewers
    CNN 989,000
    MSNBC 604,000

    It's A beautiful Day! Isn't It?

    Trust?....Like we trusted Bush I and got Souter on the bench?

    No, come on now....With regard to foreign policy issues, McCain is trustworthy and on target. In regards to domestic policy, the horse is out of the barn....Bush is currently talking stimulus package and I do not hear any of the "Reaganites" crying foul....This is the reality of politics.

    If I am willing to overlook Giuliani's very liberal social stands then logic seems to suggest McCain's compromises with such good natured and honorable people like Joe Lieberman can also be forgiven. Governing from the middle has good and bad, but it is a heckuva lot better that a McGovernesque Democrat like Clinton or Obama.

    I'll take a Scoop Jackson over a McGovern ANYDAY! Please give the process a chance and also let's see who the VP's are....that will shake things up as well post Cheney "4th branch" demogoguery.

    You’d need a tic sheet to track the begged questions, hyperbolic claims and outright non-sequiturs in such a passage. Except Olbermann’s not really arguing; he’s accusing. So logic be damned.

    http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/01/23/when-enough-rope-isnt/

    Posted by: news you can use at January 23, 2008 11:49 AM


    Oh, my lord! We need to needlepoint that statement on a throw pillow and toss it out whenever we hear the blue-blog-meme-in-lieu-of-actual-argument-- non-argument here at OW!

    To beat a dead horse... newsbusters.org dissected the Soros funded 'news' really well. Its worth ten minutes of your time. The media in this country are such lemmings... follow any smell they can.

    Surely a WPITW tonight on the ratings challenged show.

    I'll take a Scoop Jackson over a McGovern ANYDAY!
    Posted by: cee at January 23, 2008 12:35 PM

    Me too, but I can't pretend I'm getting Abe Lincoln.

    Posted by: [Cecelia] at January 23, 2008 12:44 PM

    Nor can I, Cecelia.....McCain is not even close....but in the current field and Thompsons poor showing and withdraw, I see him still rising....Again, Rudy has to show something in Florida to stop the McCain rise....

    Please don't tell me you are resigned to President Hillary Clinton!

    Please don't tell me you are resigned to President Hillary Clinton!
    Posted by: cee at January 23, 2008 12:49 PM

    I don't think "resigned" is the word, but of the Democratic presidential candidates, I think she's the most likely to act like a statesman rather than a Kos Kid.

    News you can use,

    Thank you for linking such an interesting site!

    "I think she's the most likely to act like a statesman rather than a Kos Kid.


    ###
    From your lips to God's ears, Cec.....I am not as hopeful.

    I'd rather have Obama there than the Clintons.....fresh faces, "McGovern-like" is better than Albright, Berger, Blumenthal, etc....McGovern retread.....

    If such a comment escapes even a wrist slap at MSNBC, we’re left to wonder whether the network has any sense of shame whatsoever..."

    http://www.intellectualconservative.com/2008/01/23/when-enough-rope-isnt/

    Posted by: news you can use at January 23, 2008 11:49 AM

    Right now the network thinks that Keith is da man! I watched Olby's crap and whatever that show was on after. Why don't they just re-run Olby's show? Same thing.

    And there are rumors flying that ManDow is getting Tucker's spot soon. Like I said before they are going AAR. And the Network is in the tank for Hillary.

    I never watch MSDNC in the daytime but the New York Post was reporting that 'Headline News' has been beating them during the daytime for the past two months.

    Maybe this whole network is going. They are just going to wait until after Nov. 08' to pull the plug. Then for the remainder of his time NBC sports will just have Dopey do scoreboard updates.

    So who knows, maybe the end for MSDNC will be, Olby & Chris surrounded by Doc-Blocks.

    Sir Loin,

    It would be rather difficult to be a Randian AND a theocrat...

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 23, 2008 12:02 PM


    No - both would point to a fundamental personal hubris, as I described above.

    No - both would point to a fundamental personal hubris, as I described above.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 23, 2008 1:16 PM

    Your's or his? :D

    No, no....there's no hubris in the egalitarian and mistake-free systems of socialism or communism.....no proof of that whatsoever.....

    Some tenured, fully pensioned and unaccountable bureaucrat somewhere in the world making decisions for the masses is incapable of hubris.....he or she is pure of heart!....No risk of graft, no risk of greed, nor risk of anything untoward!

    Just in case.....like Homer Simpson has had to point out on a couple of occasions...I was using sarcasm.

    Cee,

    Surely you are familiar with the position that there is no "hubris" whatsoever in wanting the best for everyone, via how YOU define "the best for everyone", and in consequently labeling any dissent as egoism.

    "No, no....there's no hubris in the egalitarian and mistake-free systems of socialism or communism.....no proof of that whatsoever....."

    Mistake Free?!? Where do get these straw-men?

    ...and the world-view I have always pushed here is basic Jeffersonian Democracy, which was also full of mistakes when it existed prior to 1880 or so. Whatever - its better than the entrenched cynical mercantilism that it briefly replaced, and now has in turn been replaced by.

    ..but your little theocracy, one must assume, is perfection itself; dictated as it was by the supreme being in the Universe with whom you have a close personal relationship. Move along, folks; no hubris here.

    And there has never been any overtly Christian government in the world that was not "problem-free", am I right?

    Just in case.....like Homer Simpson has had to point out on a couple of occasions...I was using sarcasm.

    Posted by: cee at January 23, 2008 1:51 PM


    No, you were using a "straw-man argument". The criteria of "perfection" and "mistake-free" which you ridicule are pulled straight out of your own ass and attached, unwanted, to the positions of your opponents.

    The irony is that your own epistemology's self-image of perfection and totality outstrips all of the competition.

    And there has never been any overtly Christian government in the world that was not "problem-free", am I right?

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 23, 2008 2:09 PM

    Well, nothing's '"problem-free"', Sir Loin. How about we settle on the Jeffersonian govt circa 1950, but with complete national racial integration?

    Your's or his? :D

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 23, 2008 1:24 PM

    Touche Cecelia! How do you do it?

    ...but you'd better check your stocks; I believe the markets in rubber and glue are tanking.

    How the hell can you people stand to watch that mentally deficient piece of rat feces? I mean seriously. I think I'd rather watch a 24 hour marathon of Dan Rather discussing q-tips. Or possibly Rosie O. and Michael Moore in a naked mud wrestling match. (I just threw up a little at that thought.)

    Well, nothing's '"problem-free"', Sir Loin. How about we settle on the Jeffersonian govt circa 1950, but with complete national racial integration?

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 23, 2008 2:23 PM


    Well no shit, Cecelia. I believe I'd already made a more general, but clearly confirmatory statement in that regard.

    In case you missed it, this line of ridicule I've aimed at Phari-cee, into which you have thrust yourself uninvited and poorly equipped, began with his unfounded and oft-repeated attribution to me some level of support for Stalin, Moa, Pol Pot, etc., and then pretending to intensify his dig at me by criticizing these regimes (through sarcasm) as not being "problem-free".

    This is what I mean by "straw-man" and it further serves to remind me that I am only wasting my time by posting here.

    but you'd better check your stocks; I believe the markets in rubber and glue are tanking.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 23, 2008 2:23 PM


    A consequence of supply and demand. There's a glut on stickiness.

    his is what I mean by "straw-man" and it further serves to remind me that I am only wasting my time by posting here.
    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 23, 2008 2:31 PM

    You need more "bounce", Sir Loin.

    Cee and Cecelia, I have a slightly different opinion about the candidates than you two do.

    As for the Dems I do think Barack is more easily electable than Hillary, for what that is worth. I would not like to see either one as the President. Hillary is pragmatic and would probably be more defense minded than Barack. She has absolutely no administrative experience and BJ is back on the two for one sale which is scary to me. Barack, on the other hand, is a very personally appealing and attractive and apparently honest man just as Jimmy Carter appeared to be. The only job Carter has done worse than President is that of ex president.

    As for the Repubs I did like Thompson with the caveat that he had no administrative experience, which can be a huge drawback for me. I could live with McCain if I had to but I don't want him for several reasons. McCain, to my mind, is the Repub side of the Hillary coin. I admire and respect him personally but have a lot of bones to pick with him on many of his positions.

    I come down in the end for Romney. He truly has the strongest, and very successful, administrative record. One of higgest drawbacks is that if he and Algore stood next to each other we would be looking at a forest.

    Then again, I might completely change my mind b/c we have no idea what is going to happen in this upcoming year nationally and with the candidates.

    Grammie

    Grammy, how do we differ?

    Cecelia, I thought you were very anti McCain while Cee sees him favorably and I am in the middle. I won't root for him but I support him if he is the Only alternatve.

    Grammie

    Newsie, great link to a very good article and great site.

    Thanks,

    Grammie

    "The only job Carter has done worse than President is that of ex president."


    Who says Carter did a poor job as Pres? He put us on a track of energy independence that, had it not been intentionally scuttled
    by Reagan and Moroning in America (just as Cater's efforts with the Iranian hostage crisis were scuttled by Reagan's advance team), would have most likely seen us to a point at which overweening embroilments in the Middle East would be a thing of the past, and clean, diverse energy would be the rule

    "Since oil imports have risen from 9 million barrels a day in 1977 to the current level of 12 million, there has been a tendency to view the efforts of Carter and others to cut reliance on oil from unstable sources as quixotic. But a closer look at the data shows otherwise.

    By the time Carter left office, imports had dropped to 7 million barrels a day. Within a few years, they fell to 5 million. The plunge was the result of higher oil prices, a weak economy, the Alaska oil pipeline and new federal policies such as the auto efficiency standards. The slide in oil imports defanged the grip of oil-exporting countries on the world market and helped achieve considerable independence from foreign suppliers.

    Since then, the trend of oil imports, rather than a straight line upward, has been a hockey stick. Foreign deliveries dropped sharply and then (after earlier supply and conservation efforts were largely abandoned) started a new upward trajectory, allowing OPEC to again seize control of the market early in 2000."


    ...and now Bush pleads with the House of Saud to PLEEAASE loosen the screws a little, and we PROMISE to keep buying more and more oil and make you even richer. Oh, what could have been.

    I notice you love happy ever after fairy tales, SLOB.

    Grammie

    I notice you love happy ever after fairy tales, SLOB.

    Grammie

    Posted by: Janet Hawkins at January 23, 2008 3:02 PM


    Sure. Better than the nihilistic, porcine feasts of cynical mercantilism that entertain right-wingers, Grammie.

    Cee,

    I think Sir Loin makes a very valid point.

    If you'd address his vision for our country along the lines of a European or Canadian model, it would be more realistic (you'd have no less an argument).

    If you'd address his vision for our country along the lines of a European or Canadian model, it would be more realistic (you'd have no less an argument).

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 23, 2008 3:22 PM


    You are correct; neither Europe nor Canada being "problem-free".

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 23, 2008 3:12 PM

    SLOB is still singing that same old tune. I thought you were done after we laughed you out of this blog when you tried to give sainthood to FDR. Now you want us all to dig our sweaters out and get in the soup line for Jimmy Carter? If only we could go back to the good old days of Jimmy Carter where we could all be equal… equally poor. Run along fool. Your ideas are in the dustbin of history.

    If only we could go back to the good old days of Jimmy Carter where we could all be equal… equally poor. Run along fool. Your ideas are in the dustbin of history.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 23, 2008 3:28 PM

    Perhaps. But yours are delusional fantasy that ravage the country:


    "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —President George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

    Your ideas are in the dustbin of history.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 23, 2008 3:28 PM

    Not really Factor, if you don't wish to be dependent upon Islamic fundamentalists, you would certainly do well not to be so dependent on "what they got"...

    There's certainly some wiggle room between govt interventionism and complete capitulation to market forces, although I think Grammy's take on "fairy tales" is more apt than not.

    "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —President George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 23, 2008 3:37 PM


    Pure idiocy from an admitted socialist. Do you think " 3 job families" began with the Bush administration? Know much about history? Was the depressing Bush's fault, too? Would you rather she lay around sucking on the welfare teat? Would that be Bush's fault, too?

    Well,I'd like to know some specifics. How much education does she have? What are her skills? Is her ex-husband making any sort of support payments?

    Pure idiocy from an admitted socialist. Do you think " 3 job families" began with the Bush administration? Know much about history? Was the depressing Bush's fault, too? Would you rather she lay around sucking on the welfare teat? Would that be Bush's fault, too?

    Posted by: at January 23, 2008 4:00 PM


    ...but clearly the "one-job family" is essentially extinct in the American middle class - of which it used to be a definitive characteristic. And no; the "depressing" was not George W. Bush's fault - but it was a predictable result of the diversion of equitable returns on labor to labor, while speculation and ownership were given priority. This is underway again, ever since Reagan and "Moroning in America".

    The choice should not be three jobs or the "welfare teat"; Adam Smith begins his treatise with a discussion of the necessity of a living wage if an economy is to remain viable. Larger and larger numbers of your fellow Americans work hard from beneath the poverty line, and this is patently self-destructive for our society.

    Well,I'd like to know some specifics. How much education does she have? What are her skills? Is her ex-husband making any sort of support payments?

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 23, 2008 4:05 PM


    Well of course you would; it would give you something else to focus on rather than your fetish/president's callous indifference to the pool of hardship gethering at the base of his economy.

    I wish that the conservative approach to breaking our strong reliance on foreign oil would be implemented. I support:

    1. Let the market place determine the role, if any, ethanol will play in our energy requirements. As serendipity the pressure on food prices would be relieved.

    2. Let other sources, such as wind farms, stand or fall on their own.

    3. Allow exploration, drilling and production in Anwar, the Gulf of Mexico, the Atlantic coast etc. The oil platforms in the Gulf have been a boon for commercial and sports fishing off the La and Tx coasts.

    4. Go nuclear for as much electricity generation as needed and economically possible.

    5. A few new refineries would go a long way to easing the tight supplies of refined crude oil products such as after Katrina that puts such inflationary pressure on the products.

    This is my happy ever after daydream.

    Grammie

    #3 through #5 do include several forms of GOVERNMENT intervention.

    No, they would require the government to get the hell out of the way.

    1. Let the market place determine the role, if any, ethanol will play in our energy requirements. As serendipity the pressure on food prices would be relieved.

    - Ethanol flops; petroleum stays high. Ethanol sells; corn-based food gets steeper.


    2. Let other sources, such as wind farms, stand or fall on their own.


    - stand or fall on their own like Big Oil? Our middle-Eastern wars and bribery are all paid for by American Taxpayers and conducted in the interests of oil importers. Its a mercantilist shell-game; and the REAL cost of of a gallon of gas is about 12 bucks.


    3. Allow exploration, drilling and production in Anwar, the Gulf of Mexico, the Atlantic coast etc. The oil platforms in the Gulf have been a boon for commercial and sports fishing off the La and Tx coasts.

    ...until they spill. Still no fishery in Prince William's SOund.

    4. Go nuclear for as much electricity generation as needed and economically possible.

    - Are they to "stand or fall on their own"? Will these companies pay the eternal storage costs of the waste; or will you and I?

    5. A few new refineries would go a long way to easing the tight supplies of refined crude oil products such as after Katrina that puts such inflationary pressure on the products.

    once again; will these interests be expected to "stand or fall on their own", as you insist for the insipient alternate energy sources you cite above?


    This is my happy ever after daydream.

    “Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”

    -Rudolph 'Mussolini' Giuliani, from a speech in 1994

    Who says Carter did a poor job as Pres?

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 23, 2008 2:57 PM

    Oh I don't know, call me crazy but.

    Long Gas Lines

    Hostages in Iran for about 600 some-odd days, laughing stock of the world.

    Unemployment in double digits.

    Loans at or around 23%

    Bronx was Burning

    New York City was broke.

    Detroit was burning.

    I can't see where anybody would say Jimmy Carter was a bad President.

    I just don't see it.

    Gee why did Reagan get elected by almost every state in the Union?

    Go figure?

    This kool-aid is tasty too!

    Oh SLOB, Prince William Sound?

    Check out this page and tell me, How come you can take a tour of a WORKING fish Hatchery in Prince William Sound?

    Why would they have a fish hatchery if the fish are just going to die in the water?

    Gee and all I had to do was put Prince William Sound in Search.

    http://www.princewilliamsound.com/475.cfm

    Well,I'd like to know some specifics. How much education does she have? What are her skills? Is her ex-husband making any sort of support payments?

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 23, 2008 4:05 PM

    He pulled that excerpt from one of his favorite socialist blogs. He doesn't care to know if she has any skills, gets child support or anything else. Just a desperate attempt to point the finger at Bush. Plain and simple.

    I just got back.

    Loin, the dig at "mistake-free" is not just a straw-man but a reminder that when the state is complicated, large and powewrful, the mistakes or problems are also more complicated....I do not like a system that is basically now constructed and waiting to take over the next part of what the individual, at a local or state level in our republic, used to take care of.

    The republic model with limited and specifically enumerated federal roles WAS (and I really believe it is now basically toothless thanks to your power elite) the ideal. However, in order for your, let me be sensitive here, ideal to protect the commons, the federal entity has expanded to basically leave the individual and the smaller groups of town and state secondary.

    The congress of the United States of American basically now has the approval of the federal judiciary to manage every transaction or actvity....Interstate commerse is no longer the guiding criteria to limit the congress's legislative (and often unfunded), decrees. The same goes with an aggressive executive.

    So Loin, the individual is left basically required to fund a huge system that will soon also REQUIRE him or her to have health insurance whether they want it or not. Where in the constitution does congress have that power? A governement working outside the law is NOT a good thing.

    The same with Abortion law
    The same with Social Security
    The same with Medicare
    The same with a whole host of federal involvement in our individual lives...the very management of our finances and personal decisions.

    The better way is a local system that is fit for the particualr region, economy and lifestyle.

    I appreciate your sense of fair play, I just do not like your choice of venue. The federal courts, Capital dome and Executive offices have too much play in our domestic actvity and influencing that system has become near to impossible.

    That was the hubris of FDR and the new deal and the people that took advantage of a serious time for our nation....things should have been different.

    I don't mean to be superficial here, but here's something that I think everyone could enjoy.

    I recently found a FANTASTIC website in which you can watch via video everything from Bharadvaja's Twist to how to make egg fried rice.

    http://www.videojug.com/

    "You work three jobs? … Uniquely American, isn't it? I mean, that is fantastic that you're doing that." —President George W. Bush, to a divorced mother of three, Omaha, Nebraska, Feb. 4, 2005

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 23, 2008 3:37 PM


    thinkprogress.org/2008/01/16/bachmann-jobs

    Olbermann gets John Edwards on his show and the orange one is blathering to him about O'Reilly. Really.

    So here's the question: Is KO obsessed with BOR or himself? Tough call. I can't tell. They're both constantly on his mind.

    You have to check out the DU loon site - there's a pic there with KO in emo glasses and he's standing behind the ALCU logo. Not even Photoshopped and he looks a bit crazed.

    ACLU poster child.

    JOHN GIBSON OF FOX NOISE, TODAY'S (1-23-2008) WORST, PERSON, IN THE WORLD!!! And Keith Olbermann said it in the mean tone.

    Posted by: at January 23, 2008 8:57 PM

    Ok dumbass, explain why Edwards is sinking Obamanation,s campaign. The Bret Girl has no chance and he is stealing votes from Obamanation.

    "So Loin, the individual is left basically required to fund a huge system that will soon also REQUIRE him or her to have health insurance whether they want it or not. Where in the constitution does congress have that power? A governement working outside the law is NOT a good thing.

    The same with Abortion law
    The same with Social Security
    The same with Medicare
    The same with a whole host of federal involvement in our individual lives...the very management of our finances and personal decisions."

    You leave out:

    - The invasion and occupation of Iraq - the government is FORCING me to fund a war I find criminal and disgraceful.

    - Police protection - what if someone doesn't WANT to be protected, you shouldn't force him to pay for it!

    - Fire protection - ditto

    You sound like that pedantic reptile John Stossell.

    Despite your crazy position of the day, it is not outside of government's range of responsibilities to promote security, stability, education, and general good health among its population. These conditions are clearly beneficial to society at large, and no more coercive than government compelling me to help pay for a functional highway system, the FDA, or the SEC. Get a grip.

    PS. I heard Bush say this.

    Posted by: at January 23, 2008 8:51 PM


    I think you misunderstood the poster; you should look at the link.

    Its about a dumbass Marie Anntionette GOP senator bitch from MN who loves that fact that so many of her subjects have the gumption to work two jobs.

    Family values my ass - the GOP wants your kids to be Dickensian latchkey work-house urchins with no parental influence whatsoever - its easier for McDonalds and Mt Dew to imprint that way.

    Are you really that stupid ?

    PS. I heard Bush say this.

    Posted by: at January 23, 2008 8:51 PM

    Attribution, look it up. Just wanted everyone to know where you keep your face buried/get your hard hitting news.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 23, 2008 9:50 PM

    Yes, SLOB, we need Hitlery Clinton and the Blow Job king teaching our kids. It takes a village. We certainly don't want people working. We want them sitting at home waiting for their government check to arrive in the mail and making meth. Who was it who signed welfare reform? Maybe will just round up all the poor and "abort" them. Planned Parenthood can start up the ovens.

    SLOB,

    Perhaps the biggest factor keeping wages down(for the working people) is the influx of illegal immigrants, who will anything for less, if not less than minimum wage, than a US citizen. Those nasty Republican businessmen are happy, though.

    So tell me how you want illegal immigration "stopped cold".

    Posted by: Rico at January 23, 2008 10:10 PM

    Give them Diver's licences, of course. Oh, and healthcare, welfare, and social security.

    Give them Diver's licences, of course. Oh, and healthcare, welfare, and social security.

    Posted by: Hillary Clinton at January 23, 2008 10:14 PM


    They already have all of those in California, I made sure of it.

    “I had a business in Venezuela, I had shops in Caracas, everything was working perfectly,” Mr. Dunaevschi, 39, said. “I left everything.” He added, “I began here from zero.”

    The Dunaevschis are part of a wave of Venezuelans, mostly from the middle and upper classes, who have fled to the United States as Mr. Chávez has tightened his grip on the country’s political institutions, imposing his socialist vision and threatening to assert greater state control over many parts of the economy.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/23/us/23florida.html?em&ex=1201237200&en=30981acc231ae15d&ei=5070

    Viva la Chavez!!! Venezuelans are flooding into Florida because of this monster says the "rightwing" New York Times. The liberals like to throw around the word consensus. Well there is consensus that socialism fails where ever it is tried. Yet the libs want to try it here. No thanks.

    SLOB,

    Perhaps the biggest factor keeping wages down(for the working people) is the influx of illegal immigrants, who will anything for less, if not less than minimum wage, than a US citizen. Those nasty Republican businessmen are happy, though.

    So tell me how you want illegal immigration "stopped cold".

    Posted by: Rico at January 23, 2008 10:10 PM

    Well, since you asked; Stopping it "cold" is not a huge priority - illegal immigration is a symptom of inequities inherent in our international economy.

    ... but I would maintain a reasonable vigilance on the border, raise the minimum wage AGAIN to a reasonable level, actually prosecute employers who systemically hire illegals, and retool our international trade agreements to bilaterally demand a strong status for unions and worker rights.

    It may be that these measures would result in higher prices for goods and services - but it would also more equitably distribute the return on America's and Mexico's (etc>) productivity, so buying power would be higher across the base of these societies.

    "Among men...the most dissimilar geniuses aer of use to one another; the different produces of their respective talents, by the general disposition to truck, barter and exchange, being brought, as it were, intoa a common stock, where every man may purchase whatever part of the produce of other men's talents he has occasion for."
    Adam Smith, 1776

    SLOB,

    Every single person who sneaks across the border has the effect of bringing down wages. That is reason enough to not want even one person to ever sneak across the border ever again.

    Why do you only want "reasonable vigilance on the border"? What reason is there for you not to want zero people coming here? "Reasonable vigilance" does not produce zero. Why so wishy washy on this?

    Every single person who sneaks across the border has the effect of bringing down wages. That is reason enough to not want even one person to ever sneak across the border ever again.

    Why do you only want "reasonable vigilance on the border"? What reason is there for you not to want zero people coming here? "Reasonable vigilance" does not produce zero. Why so wishy washy on this?

    Posted by: Rico at January 24, 2008 9:35 AM


    Well, there is certainly a point of diminishing returns in this, Rico. There is a number somewhere between 10,000 a year and zero at which heightened border security has reached its full effect on protecting American wages.

    ...and what about the relocation/outsourcing of manufacturing jobs? are you prepared to take as hard a line on comapanies shipping high-tech, highly-paid jobs to Bangalor as you do to on the Latin Americans who sneak in here to compete for the entry-level fast-food and intinerant agricultural work that is left behind? WHich do you think really has the greater effect on our economy

    SLOB,

    I am with you on the relocation/outsourcing issue.

    ..and what about the relocation/outsourcing of manufacturing jobs? are you prepared to take as hard a line on comapanies shipping high-tech, highly-paid jobs to Bangalor as you do to on the Latin Americans who sneak in here to compete for the entry-level fast-food and intinerant agricultural work that is left behind? WHich do you think really has the greater effect on our economy

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 24, 2008 11:39 AM


    Personally, I'm in a quandary as to how to lightly deal with either.

    I live in an area that has seen a renaissance in entrepreneurship via Latin owned businesses.

    I'm certainly okay with those businesses and when I see Hispanics waiting around for some construction crew boss to come by so they can hop in his pickup truck, I pray that this will happen and that they'll get work that day, though it's not at minimum wage standards.

    However, I do understand the general fear (75%) that's out there over illegal immigration, the problems of other benefiting from their cheap labor, and I'm not sure how to penalize business owners for doing what one can do in a free country-- take their capital outside national borders.

    You find it easier, Sir Loin. Tell me.

    Cecelia,

    Who do you think was doing construction work before "day laborers" imported themselves into this country. Real US citizens have lost their real jobs to these people. Why do you pray that somebody who is not supposed to be here will do the job instead of somebody who was born here?

    It's called misplaced compassion. You need to figure this out for yourself.

    It's called misplaced compassion. You need to figure this out for yourself.
    Posted by: Rico at January 24, 2008 9:59 PM

    Okay, I will....

    Done!

    Dear lord, please give these men.. and all men everywhere...(particularly desperate men)... an opportunity to support their families today...

    I'm not sure how to penalize business owners for doing what one can do in a free country-- take their capital outside national borders.

    You find it easier, Sir Loin. Tell me.

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 24, 2008 9:32 PM


    Its a mindset, Cecelia. Its about responsibility and recognition of "externalities" - those costs and benefits that occur ancillary to a particular economic behavior that are quite real, but are usually left off of the books, and not accounted for. Easy example: a factory dumps its waste untreated into a stream. The External costs are the healt/economic problems experienced by people downstream, and any cleanup that society at large is forced to undertake to ameliorate the problem; the external benefits are realized by the company, which shirks the responsiblity to attend to its own waste, which is a predictable and relevant factor of its ging about its business.

    The miondset I mention is that when a company grows, it does not do so on its own power; it relies on its relationship with the town or region which it draws on for labor and resources - interdependence. When a company decides on cutting these ties and fleeing the town or region for "greener pastures", I see this as an abdication of the responsibilities this company has to the region that fostered it.

    Our founding father's and their contemporary Adam Smith all strongly believed that corporations should only be permitted to exist as long as they served the public good; and they recognized that the nature and potential of the corporation was such that harsh regulation was necessary to ensure that this responsibility was realized. Intervening history has demonstrated - by way of tragic negative example - that they were entirely correct.

    ...and yes, like you I view the significant influx of Latin Americans to my area in recent years as a very positive development. I care not whether they are "legal" or "illegal", they are simply other people to be interacted with, and who seem (at the risk of ethnic generalization) to be an earnest and active group.

    SLOB,

    Why is is not OK with you if a business relocates manufacturing facilities to outside the US, taking jobs away from US citizens, but OK with you that foreigners import themselves to the US and take jobs from US citizens right beneath their noses?

    Now the business owners don't have to pay the expense of relocating their business to get foreigners to replace US workers. That part becomes free.

    What's the real reason you view it a "very positive development" that there is an influx of Latin Americans to my area"???

    "Now the business owners don't have to pay the expense of relocating their business to get foreigners to replace US workers. That part becomes free. "

    ...sure, which is why in our discussion yesterday I stated that reasonable vigilance should be maintained at the border, and that the focus on maintaining stability in the American labor market should be on the employers. After all, the employer is the focus of the influx of workers, so efficiency dictates that that is place to apply remedies.

    ...and as for me being happy abvout the ethnic developments in my region; I simply like them.

    SLOB,

    OK, fine. Your answers in this area aren't too bad. I can, more or less, accept them.

    We'll leave it at that for now.

    ...and as for me being happy abvout the ethnic developments in my region; I simply like them.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 25, 2008 10:13 AM

    I like them where I live too and don't find that at all incompatible with enforcing immigration law.

    and yes, like you I view the significant influx of Latin Americans to my area in recent years as a very positive development.

    posted by slob

    Yea. They've ruined mexico so now they come here so at least the can drink the water w/out getting sick. Ever seen an area where they congregate, say, for lunch at a job site? They leave everything right on the ground and don't even think twice about cleaning it up. Do you like that? Seen the staging areas down on the borders? Trash for as far as the eye can see. Do you like that, too? How bout their neighborhoods? Litter all around their houses and broke down cars everywhere, like that, too? All the 'men' in the families sitting out in the yard at 8 in the morning drinking beer, like that, too? Gangs, like them, too? Pedophiles, like them, too? Anchor baby's, like them, too? Just curious.

    ...sure, which is why in our discussion yesterday I stated that reasonable vigilance should be maintained at the border, and that the focus on maintaining stability in the American labor market should be on the employers. After all, the employer is the focus of the influx of workers, so efficiency dictates that that is place to apply remedies.

    ...and as for me being happy abvout the ethnic developments in my region; I simply like them.
    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 25, 2008 10:13 AM

    I agree with this, except not sure about what reasonable vigilance means.

    Yea. They've ruined mexico so now they come here so at least the can drink the water w/out getting sick. Ever seen an area where they congregate, say, for lunch at a job site? They leave everything right on the ground and don't even think twice about cleaning it up. Do you like that? Seen the staging areas down on the borders? Trash for as far as the eye can see. Do you like that, too? How bout their neighborhoods? Litter all around their houses and broke down cars everywhere, like that, too? All the 'men' in the families sitting out in the yard at 8 in the morning drinking beer, like that, too? Gangs, like them, too? Pedophiles, like them, too? Anchor baby's, like them, too? Just curious.

    Posted by: The real royal king at January 25, 2008 1:15 PM

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    You got that right but it won't make you popular around this sight where all they want to talk about is pricks and fairies on television. If my tv is on its on 1 channel and you know that that is. Screw the pricks and fairies and send the LAs back to Potosi.

    Sorry about that last post. I was kind of pissed off when I wrote it. You see, this sheep rancher promised me a really tight young virg... Ah forget it.
    I was just pissed that's all.

    I really don't hate Mexicans or think they're any more prone to littering than real Americans. And I love those $40 margs! Yee-haw!!!

    Posted by: The real royal king at January 25, 2008 5:33 PM


    Thanks, patsy/loser!