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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 23, 2008
    Countdown with Keith Olbermann - January 23, 2008

    "COUNTDOWN WITH KEITH OLBERMANN" (8:00 P.M.-9:00 P.M. ET)

    Host: Keith Olbermann

    Topics/Guests:

    • THE DEMOCRATIC FIELD IN THE 2008 ELECTION: Democratic presidential candidate John Edwards; Dana Milbank, Washington Post national political reporter and MSNBC political analyst
    • GOP FINANCES: Craig Crawford, cqpolitics.com columnist and MSNBC political analyst
    • BUSH PRESIDENCY: Rachel Maddow, Err America radio host and renowned Presidential historian

    Another opening, another spiel: Dems playing chicken! The Republican recession! "Non-profit groups" expose "countless lies about Iraq"! More attacks on Fox! It's hump day at Olbermann Watch.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    #5: Dems fighting it out. Bear concerned that they're "collectively risking November". Dana Milbank, sans splashy suits, nattered. Surprise, surprise! Another blue-dress interview with John Edwards (D). Yes, this is the third one in as many months. (By all means, see The List!) Just by coincidence, Edwards has led the Daily Kos readership poll almost continuously since May of last year. So new Kos Kid Keith has kwite a bit of katching up to do. Edward R Olbermann peppered Silky with the kind of challenging, tough questions that Tim Russert only dreams of asking:

    • Do you agree the most important thing should be a Democratic victory in November?
    • Shouldn't all Democrats agree to support the eventual nominee? [Silky: Yes. Olby: "Amen!" No, we're not making that up. He really said that.]
    • How come the poor aren't getting enough attention?
    • How do you overcome the fact that you aren't getting enough votes?
    • What world does Bill O'Reilly live in? [O'Reilly attack #406]

    #4: McCain's in trouble because he had to do a fund-raiser where he got a million dollars. Giuliani sinking. They're all "strapped for cash" and isn't that "bad management"? Olbermann's Brain sniggered.

    After comparing Gen Petraeus to the Soviet Union Monkeymann gave us #3: all those lies about Iraq, courtesy of a study from a "non profit" center for public integrity. Bush told "260 lies", Colin Powell 255, etc. Military expert Maddow yammered (When did she serve anyhow?) and the two of them spoke wistfully about the hope for impeachment proceedings. See Dogs below for another aspect of this.

    #2: Britney, Amy Winehouse. #1: Heath Ledger. In the Media Matters Minute, Oralmann attacked Newt Gingrich and Fox Noise [Ding!] but saved "worst" for the eeevil John Gibson of Fixed News [Ding!] (Blue Blog Source: Think Progress). Keithy sneeringly compared his alleged "friend" Gibson to a serial killer and a mental case. A serial killer?!? Is that what passes for "good taste" on OlbyPlanet? Oh, and Bathtub Boy? Last time we checked, you were the one in therapy.

    OLBY

    Dogs That Did Not Bark: On OlbyPlanet it's all about selection. Report this story, don't report that one. Include this detail, but leave that one out. How many times has Bear ridiculed and dismissed a skeptical global warming viewpoint because it was "funded" by oil interests or lobbyists or Exxon or the like? The issue of who paid for it was so important that it rendered the entire study worthless. And yet tonight Olbermoronn never even told us who funded the "non profit" study on Iraq "lies". Not a word. Not a syllable. If Exxon money is so central to judging a global warming opinion, why isn't George Soros money equally important with a dubious Iraq "study"? And so it is with economic news as well. We documented over and over how Edward R Olbermann totally ignored economic numbers, Wall Street soaring, and record low unemployment numbers for months and months. On Tuesday night, all of a sudden the stock market was Big News on OlbyPlanet. Why? Because it went down. Today, just one day later, the market rebounding, rising close to 600 points over the course of seven hours, a nearly unprecedented turnaround. No one will be a bit surprised that after hyping the falling markets, Krazy Keith completely spiked any reportage of today's dramatic rise. That's because the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann is a slovenly political hack.

    MisterMeter

    On Monday night, Bear found himself in a most miserable fourth place, but he was able to scratch out an only slightly less miserable third place in the coveted, pivotal, much-beloved, critical, all-important "key demo". Tonight's MisterMeter reading: 2 [LOW]

    And that's The Hour of Spin for this, the 625th day since the declaration that "Karl Rove will be indicted".


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    Keith attempts to cause a commotion
    Kountdown to shameless self promotion
    That's pitifully sad
    His book's really bad
    Pretentiousness takes much devotion

    Before his Death, did Keith even know who Heath Ledger was?

    Keith has himself in quite the Daily Kos bind. He's giving more air time to Edwards but now the Obama people are angry with him.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/1/23/11150/0867/1002/441403

    "I like Keith Olbermann as much as the next guy. He certainly is the only news guy on TV with even a moducum of independence from corporate spin. But we progressives fall in love with him at our peril. While it's fun to watch him lecture Bush on his incompetence while all the other anchors hem and haw and spout administration talking points, it's impossible not to notice that Olbermann shills for a corporate power structure that's a little bit hipper than the Republican country club Bush boosters - but no less sychophantic when it comes to getting in good with the winning team."

    The wind keeps changing. Can Olbermann please all of his Kos Masters?


    If Exxon money is so central to judging a global warming opinion, why isn't George Soros money equally important with a dubious Iraq "study"? J$

    A. Olby's a hypocrite
    B. He's a hack
    C. He's a liar
    D. He's not a journalist
    E. All of the above

    No one will be a bit surprised that after hyping the falling markets, Krazy Keith completely spiked any reportage of today's dramatic rise. That's because the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann is a slovenly political hack. J$

    "I hope John Gibson dies in his sleep tonight.. "

    Geez, O'Lielly, can't you ever come up with some new material?

    How about: "I hope Gibson gets a bad case of toenail fungus"?

    Or: "I hope O'Reilly gets a real bad ear infection"?

    See?

    What world does Bill O'Reilly live in?
    Keith Olbermann

    Hmmmm, does he live in a Manhattan apartment overlooking Central Park an near by his studio at 30 rock?

    Does he live in a 6 million dollar mansion across from a trailer park that one of his campaign donners just bought for him to develope?

    "What world does Bill O'Reilly live in? "

    Olbermann says he's a non-partisan, objective news anchor with no agenda.

    And he has the gall to ask what world someone *else* lives in?

    What a suprise.. Hannity talks to some hillbilly
    Posted by: Dirt Head at January 23, 2008 10:33 PM

    What a suprise, Olbermann talks to some hillbilly named John Edwards, what Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter are not available?

    This isn't my first visit to this site, but repeat viewing does not help me figure out just what this site is accomplishing. There is certainly a comradarie of Keith Olbermann haters, but what else?

    The dissections of the episodes strike something of a hollow note. It seems like you're picking on style far more than substance. The criticisms are largely about phraseology, choice of guests, sources for stories and the like. Yes, John Gibson was named one of the "Worst Persons in the World," but you never mentioned why, or tried to defend Gibson (and in this case, he was indefensible).

    That's just one example, but how 'bout a few less [ding!]s, and a little more analysis of exactly what was wrong with the stories beyond the superficial stuff?

    Calling a source "Hillary Clinton's Media Matters" does not negate the truth of the story. This type of thing would never fly in a debate class.

    Just my two cents. Now, flame away.

    You consider the choice of guests and sources for the stories to be "style" and not "substance"? The fact that the guests cover the whole gamut of opinion--everything from A to B--is just a question of style, not substance? Sourcing from blue blogs is just style? Slanting the news and leaving out what doesn't fit OlbySpin is just style? Reporting false information and never correcting it is just style? NEVER naming a liberal Democrat "worst person" is just style?

    Thanks for your two cents, anyhow.

    Olbermann is a hack for the Leftist/Islamic axis. He has no credibility.

    Posted by: James Greenlee at January 23, 2008 11:00 PM

    John Gibson was not crying over the death of the Brokeback Mountain drug addict? Booohooooooo..
    How much sympathy does Keith give Brittany Spears? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Run along loser. We have plenty of your kind on this blog. Daily Kos is waiting for you to pray for the death of Dick Cheney or one of your other conservative straw men.

    James Greenlee, we don't hate Keith Olbermann. We just want to expose his lies and hypocrisy. And who's defending John Gibson? I think he was a jerk for saying what he said. In regards to Media Matters, Hillary Clinton did say she helped create it. So calling it "Hillary Clinton's Media Matters" doesn't seem unwarranted.

    "Calling a source "Hillary Clinton's Media Matters" does not negate the truth of the story. This type of thing would never fly in a debate class."

    I'll address this point.

    For a news organization and a news program to use as a source for reports a non-accredited organization - a openly partisan one at that - is extremely irresponsible.

    To not adequately vet the allegations made by that source is doubly irresponsible.

    To not credit that organization as the source for said report is triply irresponsible (if that's possible).

    Olbermann's repeated use of non-accredited entities for news stories is just not an acceptable practice by any news organization.

    At least, it shouldn't be.

    The documentation on the numerous errors repeated by Olbermann based on reports by Media Matters and other liberal blogs is in the archives to the left.

    This type of thing would never fly in a debate class.

    Just my two cents. Now, flame away.

    Posted by: James Greenlee at January 23, 2008 11:00 PM

    "non-accredited entities:

    That should read: Non news-accredited organizations that is.

    Organizations such as the AP or UPI or NY Times wire services. Or the NY Times.

    Media Matters and Think Progress are not news organizations. They are interest groups blogs with an agenda.

    It is just completely irresponsible to use them as news sources. Because they are not credible ones.

    The point still stands that the RECAPS here are largely style over substance. [Ding!] doesn't disprove anything. Calling Rachel Maddow's station "Err America" doesn't disprove anything either.

    And Rachel is a good example of what I'm trying to say here. She's a very smart, affable and savvy commentator. Yep, she's left-wing, but her opinions are hardly ungrounded in fact. She is not your typical pundit. Yet the commentary here just dismisses her entirely, based on her daytime job.

    Media Matters is no less credible than The Drudge Report, or NewsMax (and many others) that are used in right-wing world all the time. In fact, nearly every Media Matters story includes full transcripts after the story, so people can make up their own minds. It is not a "smear site" as it is characterized by Bill O'Reilly.

    Finally, dismissing the source still does not mean a story isn't true. It's easy, though.

    I wonder when Keith and Bill O'Reilly will get off this homeless vet stuff.
    Bill was wrong in heavily criticizing Edwards for it.
    And Keith was wrong is using it to get another cheap shoot at Bill.

    Both are acting like kids, and Keith is mostly to blame for it.
    I get the feeling Keith watches and listens to Bill more than he does the any news source.

    Sure, if I watch and listen to Bill, I'll find many things that I can criticize him for.
    Keith makes Bill part of his show every night, might as well call it the Keith and Bill show.
    And Bill is reacting to every little thing Keith says about him.
    It would serve Bill better to ignore most of what Keith says.

    Keith should just come out and endorse Edwards already? He's had him on his show enough times.

    I've met John Gibson and I'm surprised about the comments he made about Heath Legder.

    Will Maddow disagree with anything Keith says? Until she does, I can't take her seriously either.

    I've met John Gibson and I'm surprised about the comments he made about Heath Legder.
    But I wonder if Keith called him out because it what John said was wrong or because keith hates Fox news?

    > She is not your typical pundit.

    She's a radio entertainer who is on the show because she will parrot what Olbermann wants to hear. Do you think she would bring up the Soros funding of the "study"? Do you think she would mention that many of the "lies" referred to in the study were the same things being said by all sorts of Democrats and former Presidents at the time? That they were rather than "lies" the consensus opinions of intelligence agencies in this country and others?

    You're right. She's not a typical pundit. She is a radio entertainer with an agenda, no more a pundit than Rush Limbaugh or Howard Stern. And Olby uses her because he knows she will sing from him talking points. Not a typical pundit? She's not a pundit at all.

    And Rachel is a good example of what I'm trying to say here. She's a very smart, affable and savvy commentator.
    Posted by: James Greenlee at January 23, 2008 11:37 PM

    Yes, Rachel Maddow is more than qualified to judge whether or not Gen. David Petraeus is doing a good job or just a mouth piece for Bush because she is on a Radio show that no one listens to. How many times has she been to Iraq? How about Keith? You are by far the dumbest poster who has ever posted on this site. Go huff spray paint and listen to Air America with the other 50 listeners.

    Some people are saying that Heath Ledger deserved to die because he played a gay man in a movie.

    But I say Ronnie Reagan deserved to die a slobbering mumbling fool the way he did because of all the lives he ruined as our president.

    Some people are saying that Heath Ledger deserved to die because he played a gay man in a movie.

    But I say Ronnie Reagan deserved to die a slobbering mumbling fool the way he did because of all the lives he ruined as our president.

    Some people are saying that Heath Ledger deserved to die because he played a gay man in a movie.

    But I say Ronnie Reagan deserved to die a slobbering mumbling fool the way he did because of all the lives he ruined as our president.

    James Greenlee, why should we even listen to you? You run a liberal website that bashes conservatives. You clearly have an agenda. So when you come in here with a holier than thou attitude, you come off looking very hypocritical.

    Some people are saying that Heath Ledger deserved to die because he played a gay man in a movie.

    Posted by: dose at January 23, 2008 11:56 PM

    Some people like who? You got any names?

    "You are by far the dumbest poster who has ever posted on this site. Go huff spray paint and listen to Air America with the other 50 listeners."

    Oh, come on. That's just juvenile. I was not disrespectful or nasty, I just expressed an opinion that the recaps here seem rather hollow.

    And I've been here enough times to know that I'm NOT--by any stretch--the dumbest person who's ever posted here. Ridiculous.

    "James Greenlee, why should we even listen to you? You run a liberal website that bashes conservatives. You clearly have an agenda. So when you come in here with a holier than thou attitude, you come off looking very hypocritical. "

    Hilarious! And this site DOESN'T have an agenda? I can't have a contrary opinion? OK, play amongst yourselves, I wouldn't want to rupture your bubble or anything.

    And by the way, I don't "bash" conservatives, I make fun of them for what they do. Big difference. No worse than calling somebody "Bathtub Boy."

    Posted by: James Greenlee at January 24, 2008 12:42 AM

    Most of the left wing loons and Keith Olbermann defenders figured out that it is pointless to try and defend Keith and the puppets he interviews. They stopped trying to defend Keith long ago after his numerous lies were posted on this site. You are better off just attacking George Bush or the latest conservative straw man that the Kos Kids are attacking. Defending Keith or Maddow is a lost cause. The exposing of Keith atrocities has been a long journey that can not be fully appreciated in one night’s blog.

    "Media Matters is no less credible than The Drudge Report, or NewsMax (and many others) that are used in right-wing world all the time."

    I get Newsmax, but the Drudge Report is just a compilation of other peoples' stuff, so I'm not sure that's a good comparison.

    By "right-wing world" you probably mean Fox news (since Olbermann is on MSNBC, a television network). I'm sure Fox does use Newsmax as a source, but as a legitimate news outlet they at least check to verify accuracy. Olbermann just does not do that. He also never, ever, has anyone on his show who disagrees with him. Never. You can't say that about O'Reilly, no matter how much you hate him. I don't know why Olbermann doesn't do that. It would make his show a lot more interesting and might even improve his ratings. I mean, if he is correct in his liberal beliefs and given that he's a smart guy, he could wipe the floor with the idiot conservatives. I've tried to watch the show, I really have. But it is so, so dull just watching KO bellow "Impeach Bush," or "Cheney's a war criminal" with his smiling guest nodding in agreement and murmuring "Right...right" and then receiving the customary "great thanks." OK, throwing the papers is really funny, but overall his show is just mind-numbingly boring.

    Tuesday night--Fat ass and that other guy---were lisping about FDR........he's a what?No!But he was a dude--right?Um really--he was a chick?But --the broad shoulders--the deep voice--the man hands?Really---ok----the other night fat ass and that "chick" from Air America--Maddow--were talking down theeconomy--and were giddy about a projected down turn in the economy.
    Fat ass--the dope he is--that said the most stupid thing he has said up to this date---that's something considering fat ass is a moron--that FDR and his WPA brought the US out of the Great Depression. Hmm--so why did the depression deepen and worsen after FDR --and the rest of the liberal democrat hacks implemented the WPA--and the NRA? As we all know fat ass reads this site----being the self loving man whore he is----he would crawl over glss to read anything about himself. So load up the Orwell quote for all occasions--in the one book you read--at the all white boys school--your mommy and daddy sent you to---before they packed you up and sent you to Cornell --to waste Dadddy's money by majoring in communications( HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH--yea--I i know a grown man taking this crap in college--but then fat ass does have a baseball card collection a 10 year old boy would love--again--any other normal well developed and socilaized adult man would be ashamed having a ten year olds hobby--but it is fat ass).
    Sigh--fat ass and the she male lisping away about economics--now that's sci fi alright----like fat ass has any idea of what he's media matters talking points about---as for Maddow----he--woops--she is a dope.

    OK, one more post, I guess. I just want to clear things up a little.

    I like Olbermann's show. I think he focuses on a lot of stories that often get overlooked on cable news. I don't believe his show is supposed to be a debate show--not all of them are.

    But, I'm not a desciple. I feel no need to "defend" a person I just watch on TV.
    I dare say there are very few shows couldn't be picked apart just as easily as Countdown.

    OK, one more post, I guess. I just want to clear things up a little.

    I like Olbermann's show. I think he focuses on a lot of stories that often get overlooked on cable news. I don't believe his show is supposed to be a debate show--not all of them are.

    But, I'm not a desciple. I feel no need to "defend" a person I just watch on TV.
    I dare say there are very few shows couldn't be picked apart just as easily as Countdown.


    Posted by: James Greenlee

    Just because you have a person that has a difference of opinion on your show, doesn't mean it's a debate show.

    What it does is make a show better and lets the viewers decide who they agree with.
    When you have a show where the host makes accusations, doesn't back them up with facts and goes unchecked, then you have websites like this that pop up.

    The main focus of Keith's show is Bill, Fox, Rudy, Bush or any republican he disagrees with.
    You trying to tell me Democrats don't make mistakes too?

    "Military expert Maddow yammered (when did she erve anyway)".....SO - Whether or not someone served only becomes important when they are AGAINST Bush policies?

    Most telling number of the day:.....935!

    And finally, not one word in the "recap" about what frequent OW hero John Gibson actually SAID about Keith Ledger.....while once again blasting KO for blasting Gibson.

    Pot, meet kettle.......................again!

    Mike, a lot of your liberal friends were celebrating when Tony Snow announced he had cancer. So don't give me any holier than thou bs.

    Mike, a lot of your liberal friends were celebrating when Tony Snow announced he had cancer. So don't give me any holier than thou bs.

    Posted by: James at January 24, 2008 6:59 AM


    Name one, Strawman. Quit projecting the vitriol of your cult onto the rest of the country.

    I believe insensitivity and callousness knows no specific party or following. I go to dailyKOS and HuffPo often and see such attitudes Mike and Loin.

    I listened to the tape of Gibson, he was wrong to make light of the tragedy.

    However, to make the jump that his insensitivity illustrates a common thread of a particular group is illogical.

    I post examples of the secular left's bigotry toward people of faith, make assessments of the larger community's reaction (muted) and people get all in a huff here....one in particular (FLUCKER)......So the pot/kettle stuff is either equally applicable or irrelevant.

    Keith Olbermann has shown himself to be anti-Semitic and not one left leaning person on this site has agreed and denounced him....So I suggest those so quick to cry over Gibson's callousness over someone's possible suicide should reflect on the SUBJECT OF THIS WEBSITE!

    It gets boring listening to O'Reilly and Olbermann bicker back and forth. But the real pain for me comes from listening to the ridiculous banterings of John Edwards. If ever there was a person willing to say or do anything to get himself elected, it's that jerk. The irony is that no matter what he says or does, he has zero chance of being nominated, much less elected.

    Once the primary season end, I suspect it will be the last time we will have to endure this douchebag running for national public office.

    "Most telling number of the day:.....935!"


    ###
    Nothing new here....but the timing is interesting....Redressing and putting new make-up on that pig will make no difference....

    1) The left's ruling class will continue to fund the war.

    2) The military will be the ones to decide when troop levels change in the country.....not the politicians.

    3) The leading candidates for the democratic presidential nomination will continue NOT to talk about Iraq because the war is being won and progress is being made in both the security situation AND the political situation.....All despite the dire predictions of these same "leaders" last year.

    4) George Bush and Dick Cheney will continue in their positions, untouched, and no impeachment charges will ever be made.

    So, in conclusion, the pig with lipstick of "THEY LIED US INTO WAR!" is still that.....even with a biased and radical leftist funded "study." I laugh at the impotence of the radical anti-American left in trying to still make the war for freedom and democracy in Iraq an issue for their advantage....I laughed back in 11/06 with the grand predictions then, and I laugh now.

    As Iraq continues to settle down....Al Queda on the run......the left will look sillier and sillier....They can repackage the propaganda of WMD data and Saddam's behavior and to no avail......The march to a stable and friendly ally in the middle east will continue under the successful Bush administration.....

    What happens after next January is still unknown.

    "I believe insensitivity and callousness knows no specific party or following. I go to dailyKOS and HuffPo often and see such attitudes Mike and Loin"


    I believe you do - from randon anonymous posters like we have here in O'Liely. If you are going to saddle us with O'Liely's provocation then you must personally account for the frequent death-threats and scatological barbarity of Phony Soldier and the like.

    But please provide a single example of an established or recognized "left wing" media figure celebrating Tony Snow's illness - or any illness or death of an ideological opponent.

    You know Edwards is finished when he appears on Ubermoronn's show to respond to Bill O'Reilly's comments. What a hoot.

    jrobny wrote: "It gets boring listening to O'Reilly and Olbermann bicker back and forth..."

    Back and forth? It appears that the "bickering" is completely one-sided...

    400+ attacks on O'Reilly by Olbermann
    0 attacks on Olbermann by O'Reilly.

    nuf sed

    As Iraq continues to settle down....Al Queda on the run......the left will look sillier and sillier....They can repackage the propaganda of WMD data and Saddam's behavior and to no avail......The march to a stable and friendly ally in the middle east will continue under the successful Bush administration.....

    What happens after next January is still unknown.


    Posted by: cee at January 24, 2008 9:07 AM


    You're just trying to push buttons, Phari-cee - you cannot really believe such prattle.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/JA23Ak02.html

    "The fact that the Iraq war has been pushed off the front pages of America's newspapers has given the US military a seeming respite from the almost endless spate of disastrous stories coming out of the Middle East, as well as the almost endless round of embarrassing questions from the press about what they intend to do about it.

    But military officers say that the American public should not be fooled: the relative quiet in Iraq - and it is, after all, only a "relative quiet" - does not mean the "surge" has worked, or that the problems facing the US military have somehow magically gone away. Quite the opposite. For while the American public is consumed by the campaign for the presidency, the American military is not. Instead, they are as obsessed now, in January of 2008, with the war in Iraq as they were then, in 2003 - except that now, many military officers admit, the host of problems they face may, in fact, be much more intractable."

    "Don't let the quiet fool you," a senior defense official says. "There's still a huge chasm between how the White House views Iraq and how we [in the Pentagon] view Iraq. The White House would like to have you believe the 'surge' has worked, that we somehow defeated the insurgency. That's just ludicrous. There's increasing quiet in Iraq, but that's happened because of our shift in strategy - the 'surge' had nothing to do with it." "


    I don't agree with the opinions you've expressed Mr. Greenlee, but it's nice to "hear" a modulated tone.

    Welcome to the blog and I'll be watching for your posts.

    I read Gibson's remarks and while they are insensitive, they aren't shockingly so.

    There is a damn sorry sense of waste about the death of a young man who had so much going for him, that really can only be expressed with disgust and bleak humor.

    400+ attacks on O'Reilly by Olbermann
    0 attacks on Olbermann by O'Reilly.

    nuf sed
    Posted by: merkle923 at January 24, 2008 9:18 AM

    I can't argue with that.

    "But please provide a single example of an established or recognized "left wing" media figure celebrating Tony Snow's illness - or any illness or death of an ideological opponent."


    ###
    Easy...it took me 5 minutes on GOOGLE.....

    Karel (Charles Karel Bouley) has the #1 talk show in his time slot at ABC's flagship station, KGO AM 810 San Francisco (#1 overall station), heard Saturday and Sunday 7pm to 10pm or online at www.kgo.com. He also does film and television reports for stations such as KSL Utah (Monday-Friday at 8:10 PDT) and weekly on WOAI San Antonio (Clear Channel) and KNX 1070 Los Angeles (CBS). Each Wednesday he joins Larry Flick for Out Q In the Morning on Sirius, 10am Eastern, 7am Pacific. Karel also has filled for Bill Press on his national show on a regular basis.

    This tolerant leftist suggested on his radio show that "White House Press Secretary Tony Snow has cancer because he lies and works for Fox News."

    "I admit my bias shows with these stories. I hear about Tony Snow and say to myself, well, stand up every day, lie to the American people at the behest of your dictator-esque boss and well, how could a cancer NOT grow in you. Work for Fox News, spinning the truth in to a billion knots and how can your gut not rot? I know, it’s terrible. I admit it. I don’t wish anyone harm, even Tony Snow. And I do hope he recovers or at least does what he feels is best and surrounds himself with friends and family for his journey. But in the back of my head there’s Justin Timberlake’s “What goes around, goes around, comes around, comes all the way back around, ya..”…
    Now, I’ve been brutally honest above, and may have offended some, and for that I’m sorry. Again, I don’t want Tony Snow to suffer and die of cancer. But like many this morning, I had the thought"


    ###
    The original HuffPo piece was edited BTW.....

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/charles-karel-bouley/theres-all-types-of-canc_b_44369.html

    Original reference: http://www.newsbusters.org/node/11669

    So on to the next Strawman argument, eh Loin?

    "You're just trying to push buttons, Phari-cee - you cannot really believe such prattle."


    ###
    I believe it because the casualty numbers don't lie....Nor does the fact that debathification was ended in the compromising factions of the democratically elected government of Iraq hurt my optimism......Nor does the fact that Sunni tribesmen continue to cooperate with the US and Iraq security forces DESPITE the assasinations and threats from silly ol' Al Queda hurt my opitimism.....

    You see, Loin....an anonymous defense department source does not hurt the facts.....the woman or man who has such an opinion should give his or her name if things are so bad.....They don't because they are lying like so many anonymous sources do.....

    That is a motive to be an anonymous source, BTW.....you are lying because you have an agenda......

    So....time will tell.....I have no worry that things will continue to improve under Bush and Cheney....but after 01/09?.....Oh well....the leader who now is responsible for Iraq will have to decide what to do....continue the successful course or change it?

    "Media Matters is no less credible than The Drudge Report, or NewsMax (and many others) that are used in right-wing world all the time. "

    "Countdown" is a news program that is supposed to broadcast vetted, accurate, objective news.

    It's not supposed to broadcast reports taken from ideological websites. Reports that, as has been documented at this site, are not checked, not verified, and not balanced with any other view.

    Second, new organizations are supposed to source any news they report if it's not generated internally. If it's second hand information, they should inform the audience of the source of that material.

    If you want to admit that "Countdown" is not a news show, that it's part of your left-wing world, then Olbermann and his producers can toss away the standards of a professional news organization.

    But if MSNBC advertises the show as a legitimate news show, if Olbermann wants to present himself as a news anchor with no agenda, then they're required to have the above standards.

    Either Olbermann wants to be a leftwing equivalent of Limbaugh or a comtemporary version of Edward R. Murrow. He can't be both.


    Olbermann wants to lie that he is Edward R. Murrow but act like a second rate Rush Limbaugh. NBC News has lost all credibility in promoting his show simply to garner better ratings for the pathetic MSNBC. They have no ethical standard and it should give anyone pause who rely on them for objective news gathering.

    Olbermann's "Amen" last night to Democratic Party unity is another example of his lack of objectivity when it is REQUIRED ethically....He was not presenting a Special Comment....he was interviewing a candidate for President and all aspects of that interaction should be carefully guarded. Olbermann is incapable of being neutral....he has an agenda.

    It is sad....NBC News was once a great organization....but like the other networks, the agenda of its editors, anchors and reporters has become paramount and ethics no longer are respected.....

    To the great detriment of our democracy.

    Faux News? Faux News? Oh, Faux, with a "u". NOW I get it.

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

    WHEW. HA.

    olerdickless is irrelevant. Faux news, with a "u". Funny.

    I wonder if some independent group will chronicle the lies of Clinton Co.......

    "First lady Hillary Rodham Clinton on Tuesday firmly denied allegations that her husband had an affair with former White House intern Monica Lewinsky. Mrs. Clinton blamed the sex allegations on a 'a vast right-wing conspiracy' against President Bill Clinton.

    "She made the statement during an interview on NBC’s Today show, where she was asked to comment on accusations and rumors that have caused a political uproar and even triggered speculation about the possibility of impeachment of the president.

    "'I do believe that this is a battle,' the first lady said.

    "'Look at the very people who are involved in this. They have popped up in other settings. The great story here for anybody willing to find it, write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president,' Mrs. Clinton said.

    "The first lady called the sex and perjury allegations swirling around her husband part of an effort 'to undo the results of two elections.'

    "An independent counsel, Kenneth Starr, has expanded his investigation to include charges that the president may have encouraged the ex-intern, Monica Lewinsky, now 24, to lie under oath about whether she and the president had an affair.

    "'That is not going to be proven true,' Clinton said. She said she was fighting the charges 'not only because I love and believe my husband' but for the sake of the nation."


    ###
    mmmm.....lies...at least 3 up there....oh and she wants to be President now! What a unifying force she will be, uh leftists?

    A person easily fooled into believing the lie that the adulterous sodomite did not have an affair OR she lied! Wow....I hope this issue can be kept alive in the election of our first woman President!

    Kudos to Michelle Malkin for reminding us all of that VAST RIGHTWING CONSPIRACY stuff 10 years ago.....

    "Yes, this same woman, who said those very silly things, wants to be the commander-in-chief of the United States."

    http://michellemalkin.com/2008/01/24/vrwc-ten-years-young/

    I truly wish that when the loser network MSNBC carries the next republican event (like tonights debate) and they throw that lefty hack KeithO out as a fake and impartial pundit, McCain calls him to task for his idiocy and biased remarks. It would go a long way with all Republicans if one of our boys actually had audience with Olby and called him out. Instead they toe the politically correct line... and pretend he has merits.

    ###
    mmmm.....lies...at least 3 up there....oh and she wants to be President now! What a unifying force she will be, uh leftists?"


    I am in no sense a Clinton fan; but aren't you just a little embarrassed to compare the bloodstained, war-mongering lies of Bush with the self-serving fibs and political rhetoric you supply in your list of Hillary quotes? You are not a serious person.

    "Now, I’ve been brutally honest above, and may have offended some, and for that I’m sorry. Again, I don’t want Tony Snow to suffer and die of cancer. But like many this morning, I had the thought"

    Fair enough, Phari-cee; you've found one. I've never heard of him, but apparently he has an audience who should recoil at such callous demagoguery.

    Were I in his listening area, or if the matter were a little more recent, I would consider contacting his station in complaint; I have done the same in far less egregious instances of this sort with the Nation Magazine and....Keith Olbermann. Fair is fair.


    ...and Phari-cee is Phari-cee; I know he will do no such thing in regard to the vile Nazi vampire Gibson.

    Loin, the lies of a vast rightwing conspiracy were used to try to stop a serious charge of lying under oath in a legal proceeding of a fellow citizen....I thought you respected the law, Loin.

    Oh, and I am only impugning the judgement of HRC....she claimed to believe her husband who was known to have a problem with impulse control....so either we had a lie OR a very deluded person with poor judgement......

    She is the leading candidate your ruling class has endorced, Loin....I am just enjoying showing the deficiencies!

    I am serious about the FACT that the conventional wisdom at the time in 2002/2003 was that Saddam Hussein had WMD and was in violation of UN decrees....The war to remove him from power was just and supported by the data and his behavior....Those lies Mike and you claim were not lies....they were statements made based on the available data that has since been shown to be in error.....However, Saddam is gone, the people of Iraq are able to vote and be free and Al Queda is in decline there and has not been able to lauch a large scale attack in the last 3 years.....

    So....what else do you have this morning that I can shoot down.

    "Loin, the lies of a vast rightwing conspiracy were used to try to stop a serious charge of lying under oath in a legal proceeding of a fellow citizen....I thought you respected the law, Loin."

    As I have always said; I approved of the impeachment of Clinton; no public official should be permitted to lie under oath without consequences.

    The vast right wing conspiracy is not a lie. Its as clear as at the baboon penis on your forehead, Phari-cee. It is the engine that drove the sordid and unseemly pestering of President Clinton over minutae and innuendo until he fucked up and lied under oath, at which point impeachment was a constitutional neccessity. It was simply that dumbfuck philanderer's bad luck.

    Your critera for calling "lie", and for attributing effets to these "lies" are as flimsy as is your bloodthirsty brand of Christianity.

    Funny how SLOB never states Hillary's "lies" leading up to the Iraq war. How she said that she new Saddam had WMD's because the people in her Husbands adminstration told her so.

    "However, Saddam is gone, the people of Iraq are able to vote and be free and Al Queda is in decline there and has not been able to lauch a large scale attack in the last 3 years....."


    That's because "AlQeada" has NEVER been able to launch a "large scale attack" in Iraq - their presence, despite Bush administration insistance to the contrary, has always been epiphenomenal. The murder has been the work of the various Iraqi factions - that we support against one another and against our own troops.

    But "large scale attacks" have indeed been occurring, Phari-cee - like the truck-bombing deaths of ca. 500 Zoroastrian Yazidis last August in northern Iraq; Remember?

    The admin has insisted it was Al Qeada; everyone else said it was a Shia sectarian crime; now I guess you and the are administration are switching to that story because it supports your other tangential bullshit to say "Al Qeada has not been able to launch any large-scale attacks in three years".

    You are a rhetorical will-o-the-wisp.

    Poor Paula Jones was not entitled to her day in court, Loin?....That vast rightwing conspiracy sure did create a lot of women who Mr. Clinton abused and used despite his public notions of respect for all people and "caring."

    His political machine (including HRC) who had "bimbo alerts," and called people like Ms. Jones "trailer park white trash" again showed the best the leftist ruling class has to offer our great country for leadership and values.....

    I appreciate your lack of enthusiasm for Clinton Co. in this election, Loin....I wish I could say the same for the majority of democratic primary voters who seem ready to launch HRC to the nomination.....

    Despite a great, young and charasmatic candidate in the form of Senator Obama who has no baggage and the silliness of believing lies or executing lies because power and influence is more important than telling the truth and/or respecting your fellow American's right to a fair hearing.....

    or for voting for the war in Iraq......

    Funny how SLOB never states Hillary's "lies" leading up to the Iraq war. How she said that she new Saddam had WMD's because the people in her Husbands adminstration told her so.

    Posted by: The Factor at January 24, 2008 11:05 AM


    Hillary is a dangerous, war-mongering egomaniac. Hillary will say anything to get elected and do anything to maintain power. Hillary facilitated the immoral invasion of Iraq as a factor cynical political gamesmanship.

    How often do I need to say these things?

    Maddow must know more about military issues than economics. 2 nights ago Keith led into the Economy and I thought right before he introduced her, "Surely, not her." Yep, her. I wiki-ed her to see if she had a degree in anything close to economics. Nope!

    All those people at CNBC he could have had on and he picked Rachel Maddow? Why not Erin Burnett? The Laughing Stagehand could have offered a more salient viewpoint than "something needs to be done." great insight, Rachel.

    Loin, I am sorry I was not specific....I was saying that Al Queda has not been able to lauch a large scale attack against the United States.....

    It's funny....when those religious minorities were killed, Olbermann and the rest of the leftist media elite did not cover it in terms of increasing security or a surge....the coverage was, as usual, how the policy was failing.....Now that such violence is down and Sunni leaders are NOT either allying themselves with AlQueda or old Saddam supporters in praise of his martyrdom (remember that prediction too?....the left said Saddam's Sunni allies would use his execution as a point of support....NEVER HAPPENED!), the left uses old stories of "lies to get us to invade," or better....anonymous sources in the pentagon disputing facts....

    Well, when the government of Iraq falls this year, you can point out I was wrong.....But I would bet that is not going to happen and slow steady progress will continue in Iraq under the great and principled leadership of Bush, Cheney and Petraeus....Then 1/09 will pass and a new leader will be making the decisions....oh boy...if it the dems and their changes cause the country to turn into the other direction....what a shame!

    "Military expert Maddow yammered (when did she erve anyway)".....SO - Whether or not someone served only becomes important when they are AGAINST Bush policies?

    Most telling number of the day:.....935!

    And finally, not one word in the "recap" about what frequent OW hero John Gibson actually SAID about Keith Ledger.....while once again blasting KO for blasting Gibson.

    Pot, meet kettle.......................again!

    Posted by: Mike at January 24, 2008 6:17 AM

    Weak, at best, mike. How many times did you make the main point of your argument trhe fact yiou served? Hundreds. Pot, meet kettle.... Next, when you are parroting Olbermahn, get the name right. His name is Heath, not Keith. Let me guess, you were a big fan of "Keiths?" LOL!!!!

    I'm glad you put it so succinctly.
    Its not every day one gets graced with such an example of what a fucking bitch you really are.
    I hope your kids die soon too. Then we can all sit around and pontificate over whether or not it was a legit tragedy, or just a disgusting, sorry waste worthy of bleak humor.

    What a window into the real soul of Cecelia. How others out here defend you is beyond me. You're just another piece of shit in this world.

    Posted by: at January 24, 2008 12:00 PM


    You got it for me bad...huh?... :D

    All those people at CNBC he could have had on and he picked Rachel Maddow? Why not Erin Burnett? The Laughing Stagehand could have offered a more salient viewpoint than "something needs to be done." great insight, Rachel.

    Posted by: Great Thanks at January 24, 2008 11:14 AM


    I thought William Arkin was MSNBC's military analyst person.

    He used to appear on Countdown fairly regularly.

    I wonder what happened? Did he disagree with an Olbermann Premise? :D

    Posted by: Tuff Guy at January 24, 2008 12:22 PM

    Hannity has military experts on his show all the time. When was the last time Olbermann had one on besides Wesley " lets shoot at the Russians and cause WWIII" Clark?

    There is a damn sorry sense of waste about the death of a young man who had so much going for him, that really can only be expressed with disgust and bleak humor.

    Posted by: Cecelia at January 24, 2008 9:35 AM

    Admit it, Cecelia; Gibson's "bleak humor" (to my mind Gibson's Ledger material seemed to be rather giddy and cheerfully presented to be termed "bleak", but whatever) was not some heavy, irony-laden message of the unpredictable pain in life;

    ...it was a petulent celebration of the death of a guy who had once played the role of a gay cowboy in a movie hated by people who never got close to seeing it.

    ...and while we are on the subject of humor launched in the face of "a damn sorry sense of waste about the death of a young man who had so much going for him"; who knows how many American soldiers had died in Iraq at the time when Bush pulled his 2004 correspondent's dinner gag? "Where are those WMD? Nope; not under here....not here either..." And all those vapid, overpaid talking heads laughing their drunk asses off...

    Fucking Nazi vampires.

    SLOB where was you righteous indignation over this?

    "Randi Rhodes, the leftist talk-radio host who found herself in hot water yesterday for airing a skit that warned President Bush with gunfire, has joked about assassinating the commander in chief before.
    Last May, Rhodes, who hosts a show on the struggling Air America network, imitated the sound of gunfire while saying somebody ought to take the president fishing and then shoot him."
    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44025

    Run along. Gibson would need to spend and entire month of viscous hate filled death threats to equal a fraction of the bile that is pumped out from the left.

    "It's funny....when those religious minorities were killed, Olbermann and the rest of the leftist media elite did not cover it in terms of increasing security or a surge....the coverage was, as usual, how the policy was failing....."


    You have to admit, its pretty hard to suggest that the explosive simultaneous murder of 500 people is pretty hard to frame in terms of "increasing security" or how the policy might be working. Are you stealing fentenil again?

    ...and as for "anonymous Pentagon sources"; Yeah , I'd like to see some names and ranks there too, but sorry; that's how leaks and dissent have usually worked in that building. You want a name? How about Gen. Baptiste?

    And what about all the times through this war when military figures have broken with this tradition of silence and compliance? How about the various sets of Generals, Colonels, and Seargents who have time to time put their names on published letters calling for truth and honest leadership from the gang in the White House? ...Calling for awareness and actual support from us?

    Swiftboating, rationalization, or avoidance; that's all such soldiers have recieved from you and your cult. Bush is your Mammon; you are an idolator damned to hell-fire!

    Posted by: Republican Killa at January 24, 2008 12:43 PM


    "Olbermann has had plenty of military experts on..."

    You mean only those who agree with his point of view.

    "And Hannity .... Isn't he a drop-out? With no credentials?"

    Hannity will debate people with a different point of view from his own which is a credential that Olbermann cannot lay claim to.

    "Maddow was a Rhodes Scholar. I'll listen to her any day of the week"

    Yes, but her Rhodes scholar credential is not the foremost consideration in having her as a guest on Meltdown. If her political views did not line up with Olbermann, she would not be permitted to appear as a guest.

    See a trend here, RK? Hosts who know they can defend their points of view are not afraid to be challenged and don't duck behind guests that parrot every opinion that spews out of their mouth.

    A good example of this is Tucker Carlson. The very same Rachel Maddow who nods her head in agreement with everything Olbermann blurts out, challenged every position that Carlson discussed during the many times that Maddow appeared on Carlson's program during their one on one debates, which I found to be civil and informative.

    Would Olbermann dare to allow someone of Maddow's intellectual stature from the other side of the political spectrum to appear as a guest on his program to challenge him? Don't make me laugh, ain't happenin'.

    "Maddow was a Rhodes Scholar"


    ...and a PhD in Political Science, if I'm not mistaken. Sure; no room for economics there, eh?

    .and while we are on the subject of humor launched in the face of "a damn sorry sense of waste about the death of a young man who had so much going for him"; who knows how many American soldiers had died in Iraq at the time when Bush pulled his 2004 correspondent's dinner gag? "Where are those WMD? Nope; not under here....not here either..." And all those vapid, overpaid talking heads laughing their drunk asses off...

    Fucking Nazi vampires.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 24, 2008 12:41
    PM


    There may be a difference in how Gibson sounded as opposed to how what he said reads.

    Again, I thought it was insensitive, but not particularly shocking.

    I read the Brokeback Mountain reference but I didn't take it as a homophobic slam. After Ledger made that movie you rarely read any reference to him that the movie was not evoked in some sort of way. Sorta like "Run , Forrest!", was with Tom Hanks for a few years.

    I understand any frustration over what you feel are senseless deaths of young men and women in Iraq. I stop at the notion that insensitive humor over that is comparable to the sort of gallows humor disgust at an actor who had the world at his feet and threw it away with xanax and valium.

    However, I think with anything that has such a component for causing injury, I'm going to operate on the basis that you are probably right about it and about Gibson.

    As for "talking heads" laughing their drunk asses off though soldiers are getting killed in Iraq for no good reason....etc...etc... I leave that sort of bitter irony to you. Not because I don't face it or understand it.

    I am aware though that it is the sort of bitter irony that can seep into whatever context anyone wishes, when they wish it. There's always a potential that there could be a taste for blood and a blood drunkeness in that too.

    I have to bachelor's degree...maybe I could loan one to Hannity, give him some credibility...

    Posted by: Republican Killa at January 24, 2008 12:43 PM

    Online degrees, of course. 20 bucks apiece?

    Once again, the so called "real" Royal King missed the entire point of my 6:17 AM post with his response at 12:01.

    RK, it's really hard to have a debate with someone who allows the central point to zoom right over their head so often.

    Now go back and read it again and if you have even a modicum of sense in that head of yours, you will see how your response indicates you never understood the point that I made regarding military service.

    http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/23/gibson-mocks-ledger/


    Here's the tape of Gibson's comments on Ledger.


    Buckle your seat belt, Mr. Greenlee. You're about to see how they really act around here.

    Posted by:loser at January 24, 2008 11:57 AM

    What a window into the real soul of Cecelia. How others out here defend you is beyond me. You're just another piece of shit in this world.

    Posted by:same loser as above at January 24, 2008 12:00 PM

    Fucking Nazi vampires.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 24, 2008 12:41
    PM

    Oh, yes, greenlee, watch out for us, we're baaaaad people! Those posts, above, are peops on your side. Oh, the hypocrisy....I report, you decide.


    "Run along. Gibson would need to spend and entire month of viscous hate filled death threats to equal a fraction of the bile that is pumped out from the left."

    I wasn't going to post anymore. I really wasn't. Then I saw this, and I was moved to comment.

    With Michael Savage leading the pack, bile is overflowing on right-wing talk radio. I listen to Air America Radio almost every day at work, and I don't hear the bile you there much, except occasionally from Randi Rhodes. And even then, she isn't trying to DELIBERATELY mislead, as I believe right-wing talk often does.

    Stephanie Miller, Thom Hartmann, and Rachel Maddow, for instance, are not "shock jock" kinds of shows. The hate and bile you talk of simply isn't there. I couldn't listen to it if it was.

    This is all subjective, and we apply our own predjudices and beliefs to what we're hearing. But there is a fundamental difference at play. You see, most left-wingers have LISTENED to Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Bill O'Reilly, et. al a little or at LENGTH. We know whereof we speak.

    Have any of you people assigning behaviors and motives to left-wing talkers ever REALLY spent any time listening to left-wing radio? I really want to know, I'm not trying to cast aspersions.

    Can you imagine if a Fox News person said this? Olbermahn would have a 3 hour show devoted to it.

    ESPN anchorwoman tells audience: 'F--- Jesus'


    ESPN, ABC Refuse to Take Any Action

    ESPN and its parent company, ABC, have refused to take any action against ESPN anchorwoman Dana Jacobson for her hateful, slurring remarks against Jesus, saying "F-- -- Jesus."

    On January 11, Jacobson was speaking at a celebrity roast in Atlantic City, N.J., when she unleashed a profane tirade, saying, "F--- Notre Dame," "F--- Touchdown Jesus" and finally "F--- Jesus."

    "Touchdown Jesus" is the popular moniker for a statue of Jesus raising his arms, located on the Notre Dame campus.


    With Michael Savage leading the pack, bile is overflowing on right-wing talk radio. trying to DELIBERATELY mislead

    posted by greenlee


    Don't worry, greenlee, I don't expect you to post any proof. Just opinion, of course. It's funny how the hard left loons consider truth "bile."

    "Hannity has raised millions for our soldiers and their families."


    Ever read the exposes of how much of these Millions actually reaches the troops and their families?

    "According to Charity Navigator, nearly half of Freedom Alliance’s expenses go to administrative and fundraising costs. Only 55.7% of the charity’s funds are spent on the programs and services it exists to deliver. It received an overall rating of two stars and no stars for efficiency from Charity Navigator. Clicking on the “Historical Data” link on the Charity Navigator site yields some more interesting information. In 2003, the year before the last CN report, Freedom Alliance received four stars overall and three for its efficiency rating. The percentage spent on program expenses declined from 81.6% and its percentage of monies spent on fundraising tripled from 2003’s 13.8%. In other words, the amount of money Freedom Alliance spent on its own programs dramatically decreased while its fundraising expenditures dramatically increased."

    Sean don't stay in no Holiday Inn! Its first class and five star all the way, or Hannity won;t have any part.

    Seven out of ten charities are found to get at least 75% of their donations out to the people or causes they advocate.

    I wonder if people donating to this charity know how much they are underwriting Hannity's party-time?

    slob, link, please.

    "Is he left-leaning? Damn right, he is. What, is he supposed to have Fred Barnes on? Seriously?"


    Yes. Unless of course, he is afraid he would be unable to marshall arguments that would withstand a challenge from a commentator from the other side of the spectrum.

    Olbermann has enough self awareness to understand how feeble his arguments are so he does not expose himself to any commentator on the right or the center for that matter. If Olbermann were able to go toe to toe, he would. He can't, so he doesn't.

    Another button to push.....

    "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

    MLK 8/28/63

    "DILLON, South Carolina (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton downplayed recent acrimony between her campaign and that of Barack Obama as her husband, former President Bill Clinton, suggested she may lose Saturday's Democratic presidential primary because many black voters will side with Obama.

    [...]

    "Bill Clinton's unusually direct comment Wednesday on the possible role of race in the election was in keeping with the Clintons' bid to portray Obama, who is aiming to become the first black U.S. president, as the clear favorite, thereby lessening the potential fallout if Hillary Clinton does not win in South Carolina.

    [...]

    "Voting for president along racial and gender lines 'is understandable, because people are proud when someone who they identify with emerges for the first time,' Bill Clinton told a Charleston audience Wednesday while campaigning for his wife, a role he has played all week."

    ###
    Oh boy....the left's powerful ruling class is sure using those racial tones to their advantage....."Oh, the blacks in South Carolina are voting for the black candidate....look out!"

    I marvel at the superficial, "lowest-common denominator" tactics the left is so ready to use to obtain power....Race and gender driven politics IN THE 21ST CENTURY....AND WHO'S ENCOURAGING IT?.....CLINTON CO!

    While the bad white men of the republican party discuss differences on issues, solutions for our country, and ideology.....oh the irony!

    I thought Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) told us all that the democrat party was free from race baiting since the purge in the 1960's with all the racists going to the republican party......Oh well, not like FLUCKER has ever been right before.....even if he thinks he is the smartest guy on the board.....

    Olbermann

    "Don't worry, greenlee, I don't expect you to post any proof. Just opinion, of course. It's funny how the hard left loons consider truth "bile.""

    No proof was offered to me either, and I didn't bring up "bile." Besides, impressions of bileous talk are--as I said--subjective. Personally, I just note that I can think of no example of bileous that is more apt than Michael Savage--on virtually any topic. He's just got a nasty disposition.

    By the way, being left-leaning does not automatically make one a "loon." Why does this sort of conversation always devolve into nothing more than insults and combative behavior? Maybe I really just need to bow out. This is not particularly fun.

    No proof was offered to me either, and I didn't bring up "bile."

    Posted by: JLGreenlee at January 24, 2008 2:35 PM

    With Michael Savage leading the pack, bile is overflowing on right-wing talk radio.

    Posted by: JLGreenlee at January 24, 2008 1:54 PM


    Really?

    "I tried to tell you Greenlee.
    Only took a couple of hours.."

    No warning necessary, this ain't my first time at the rodeo! Sometimes it's fun to jump into the fray, and sometimes the fun just peters out, and you find the excercise rather pointless.

    Occasionally, these discussions can be productive, and interesting. Not today.

    "No proof was offered to me either, and I didn't bring up "bile."

    Posted by: JLGreenlee at January 24, 2008 2:35 PM

    With Michael Savage leading the pack, bile is overflowing on right-wing talk radio.

    Posted by: JLGreenlee at January 24, 2008 1:54 PM


    Really?"

    Yes, REALLY. I didn't bring it up, I was responding to the previous comment. Are we done now?

    I tried to tell you Greenlee.
    Only took a couple of hours..

    Posted by: at January 24, 2008 2:42 PM

    Most likely happened in the midst of your baring your sensitive soul... :D

    Buckle your seat belt, Mr. Greenlee. You're about to see how they really act around here.

    Posted by:loser at January 24, 2008 11:57 AM

    What a window into the real soul of Cecelia. How others out here defend you is beyond me. You're just another piece of shit in this world.

    Posted by:same loser as above at January 24, 2008 12:00 PM

    Fucking Nazi vampires.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 24, 2008 12:41
    PM


    Oh, yes, greenlee, watch out for us, we're baaaaad people! Those posts, above, are peops on your side. Oh, the hypocrisy....I report, you decide.

    I tried to tell you Greenlee.
    Only took a couple of hours..

    Posted by:same loser at January 24, 2008 2:42 PM


    Loser, look above. It took you 3 minutes to put your foot in your ass. How's that?

    Seven out of ten charities are found to get at least 75% of their donations out to the people or causes they advocate
    Slob

    Another lie by SLOB. Most Charities, like Alec Baldwin's, spend 90% on administrative cost. Run along SLOB. You have been debunked again.

    Dilbert loves being boned in the ass by any left-wing nut who agrees with him!

    Dilbert loves being boned in the ass by any left-wing nut who agrees with him!

    I had a horse ejaculate on my face on a bet. I made six bucks.
    Posted by: The real royal king at January 24, 2008 2:36 PM

    Anyone here know how to cure hoof and mouth disease in humans?
    Its not important how I contracted it, I just need to get rid of it.
    Posted by: The real royal king at January 24, 2008 3:07 PM

    god I love this site!

    I was not talking about myself,

    Now go back to being stupid.

    Posted by: at January 24, 2008 3:14 PM


    You have the "stupid" market cornered. It's all yours. Proof is all over this blog. Oh, and you a flaming hypocrite. I bet your parents are proud of you......Since your glass house has been shattered you better get some new glass so I can smash it, again.


    Buckle your seat belt, Mr. Greenlee. You're about to see how they really act around here.

    Posted by:loser at January 24, 2008 11:57 AM

    What a window into the real soul of Cecelia. How others out here defend you is beyond me. You're just another piece of shit in this world.

    Posted by:same loser as above at January 24, 2008 12:00 PM

    Fucking Nazi vampires.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 24, 2008 12:41
    PM


    Oh, yes, greenlee, watch out for us, we're baaaaad people! Those posts, above, are peops on your side. Oh, the hypocrisy....I report, you decide.

    I tried to tell you Greenlee.
    Only took a couple of hours..

    Posted by:same loser at January 24, 2008 2:42 PM


    Loser, look above. It took you 3 minutes to put your foot in your ass. How's that?

    "I was talking about me!" says the loser. TDF!!!!(*)-----

    person1: blah blah blah facts facts facts

    person2: blah blah refute fact blah refute fact

    person1: you're stupid

    person2: no, YOU'RE stupid

    person1; *@%^$, you and your mother are (*^($^&@#

    person2: i know you are, but what am i?

    And before anyone says, "Oh yeah, that's so and so or so and so," it's both sides.

    Olbermann: blah, blah, blah,
    Bush sucks blah blah Darth Vader

    Left Wing Guest: Blah, blah, blah, exactly keith, don't forget about Cheney blah, blah

    Olbermann: blah, blah, blah, O'Reilly blah blah, blah Nazi supporter blah blah

    Left Wing Guest: Brilliiant insight Keith blah, blah you rule!

    In the Battle of the Blahs" I vote for the second entry.

    BTKOM, you not only won but really crushed your competition.

    Grammie

    Detroit Mayor Sex Scandal Revealed, But Not That He's a Democrat

    By Warner Todd Huston | January 24, 2008 - 09:22 ET


    Mayor Kwame M. Kilpatrick was at age 31 the youngest elected Mayor in the history of Detroit, the Motor City. Now, at 38, he is also the Vice President of the National Conference of Democratic Mayors as well as that organization's representative to the Democratic National Committee. He also seems to have a problem with appropriate behavior... then lies about it to try to cover it up. But one thing he doesn't seem to have to worry about is the MSM telling people he's a Democrat!

    How's Yoda ding?

    Posted by: at January 24, 2008 9:17 am


    Well am I doing since switching off that lunatic Olbermann

    I know this subject was a while ago on this thread, but Gibson did apologize for his comments yesterday.

    John Gibson did more with that one apology than Olbermann has ever done over the many insensitive actions and remarks he has done in the past.

    I know this subject was a while ago on this thread, but Gibson did apologize for his comments yesterday.

    John Gibson did more with that one apology than Olbermann has ever done over the many insensitive actions and remarks he has done in the past.
    Posted by: cee at January 25, 2008 11:07 AM


    Well, he shouldn't have apologized.

    After listening to the tape of his comments, I learned that Gibson said Ledger's death was "terrible" several times and that he just voiced the sort of disgust one naturally feels when someone has thrown away a life full of promise.

    John Gibson rocks!

    "Says you."


    ###
    OK, Pee Wee....says me....But I will note there has never been one peep about the Nazi salute slam on O'Reilly from Mr. Olbermann to his viewers, even after the ADL wrote him formally.....

    But I know the anti-religious bigots on the left tolerate such insensitvity when it comes to Jews and Christians.....

    Par.


    OK, Pee Wee....says me....But I will note there has never been one peep about the Nazi salute slam on O'Reilly from Mr. Olbermann to his viewers, even after the ADL wrote him formally...
    Posted by: cee at January 25, 2008 11:48 AM


    Cee,

    Yesterday I hit a link to a site where FNC's Alan Combs is apologizing to liberals for...well.... I don't know what... for existing or something...

    He closed his remarks with this:

    "If I bring a gun to the set and shoot every conservative in the face (with apologies to Dick Cheney) will that be enough?

    Posted by Alan at 11:27 AM"


    No, Alan, it won't be enough. It won't be enough for Olbermann to apologize every time he makes a blog entry on Daily Kos.

    Unfortunately, you're aligned with psychotic angry morons. Good night and good luck...

    http://www.liberalland.com/2008/01/just-shoot-me.html

    Even Dennis Miller criticized Gibson's lame apology. "I apologizes to people who maybe offended" Come on, just say you're sorry for gay bashing.

    John Gibson did more with that one apology than Olbermann has ever done over the many insensitive actions and remarks he has done in the past.

    Posted by: cee at January 25, 2008 11:07 AM

    Says you.

    Posted by: at January 25, 2008 11:23 AM


    And me. What's it like to be in the minority on every single issue? Lonely?

    Says the rudest bitch out here.
    Here's to hoping your kids die in a similar fashion.

    Posted by: at January 25, 2008 5:25 PM


    Sensitive type...

    Says the rudest bitch out here.
    Here's to hoping your kids die in a similar fashion.

    Posted by: at January 25, 2008 5:25 PM


    This olbyloon should be exposed for future reference. I know he's a regular poster. A cowardly one, at that.