With a name like Olbergoebbels, how could he tell the truth in anything....I posed a question yesterday on this website, and offer it again for consideration. Did anyone ever investigate the orange communist for the bag of powder that made it to him during the Anthrax scare???? I believe he was the only journalist(hahahahhahaha) who received an envelope of powder. It couldn't have been sent to himself via a staff member could it??? I mean, Osama Bin Laden would never target someone who is an Al-Queda water carrier, would he??? Someone really needs to take a look at that and expose this sociopathic liar. Yeah, if I were a member of Al-Queda, the first guy I would send "Antrax" to would be a guy who rags on the President endlessly. Maybe Olbergoebbels could even do some jailtime for the ruse. Then again, I'm sure "Meltdown with Kweef Olbergoebbels" is a hit in Islamic countries...

"Yeah, if I were a member of Al-Queda, the first guy I would send "Anthrax" to would be a guy who rags on the President endlessly."

But what you and your side continue to refuse to see is that this president's Iraq policy, along with it's very poor initial execution, was literally an answer to Al-Queada's own prayers.

" literally an answer to Al-Queada's own prayers. :

Yep, look at the great success they've had.

They've been completely routed in Iraq, their allies - the Sunni's - have rejected them, they've shown the Islamic world and the Middle East how extremist they are, they've proven to be incapable of governing, they won't be able to use Iraq as a base as they did in Afghanistan, they are in complete and total disarray.

None of this would have happened had we just left.

None...of...it.

Dream on, Steve. Al Qaeda hasn't been routed in Iraq. It only came to Iraq after Bush's policies and poor execution during our regency destabalized the country, and its moved to the north now that Baghdad has become more difficult. And now, the Taliban is regaining strength in Afghanistan. All Bush did was temporarily stabalize one country, virtually pulled out before he could consolidate the gains, then moved over and destabalized a country that had been stable for decades. What a vision the man has!

"They've been completely routed in Iraq":.......I guess the fact that hey were not even there prior to the invasion has no relevance to you?

"their allies - The Sunni's - heve rejected them":......Just as they had rejected them before we decided to invade.

"they've shown the Islamic world and the Middle East how extremist they are":.....Most of the Islamic world and the Middle East already knew how extremist they were before we invaded.

"they've proven to be incapable of governing:....No change here either.

"they won't be able to use Iraq as a base as they did in Afghanistan".......Just as they could not have used Iraq as a base if we had not invaded.

"they are in complete and total disarray.":.......Just as they were after we rightfully invaded Afghanistan and before we wrongfully invaded Iraq.

"None of this would have happened had we left.".......None of it would have happened had we not invaded either. Whether it would have happened or not had we left is an unprovable assumption.

Poor Mike....Still approved of Saddam Hussein's tactics even after he is dead and gone and the millions of people of Iraq are no longer ruled by a terrorist supporting murderer....

Who, by the way, would now presently be pursuing WMD as supported by The 60 MINUTES story this past Sunday and in light of Iran's activity...this would have been rather likely.....

Yep....looking to the past helps Mike feel better, but he cannot look to the future that will require continued US involvement past 1/09 and the decisions made by the president AFTER Bush will be more applicable to either "defeat" or "victory."

Not being able to assign the word "defeat" to the Iraq war makes the left ANGRY....Why?.....Because it was a way to more power.....

Oh well....now the adults have to decide whether it is worth their political power to do the right thing and continue to support the Iraqi people in their journey towards self government or should we allow Al Queda and radical Shia factions win?

Nice position to be in.....

Okay. Three replies already from obvious socialists and none reply to Olbergoebbels bag of white powder theory. Only gibberish about Iraq. Funny about Iraq too. Billy Jeff shoots down Iraqi warplanes and drops bombs on Iraq for eight years, and where was the anti-war left then? Is use of the military only acceptable during a Democrat held white House. Unbelievable...Now again, who would have sent Olbergoebbels an envelope of white powder, when he's got what,like a 33 viewers. I'd bet dollars to donuts Olberdouche arranged the whole thing for ratings. Too bad it didn't work, but I'd still like to see this sociopathic liar exposed for the cunt he really is.....

Jon Stewart also was a target--I guess the guy was targeting comedians.

"Billy Jeff shoots down Iraqi warplanes and drops bombs on Iraq for eight years, and where was the anti-war left then?"

Well, back then, we had to do it, I guess that would be an answer.

But now, not so much, because.

Lefties are simple little children playing hide and seek.

Douches like Grimace Bolbermann. "Wittle bit of wiggle woom." as he invokes his Brokawian dialect. Foowwy invested...pwimawy.

"Just as they were after we rightfully invaded Afghanistan and before we wrongfully invaded Iraq."

Wait, I thought we had a UNOCAL opium pipeline there that consequently we had to invade AFG to allow for access to the fields and warlords and stuff, and Bush, Carlisle...

Sheikyerbouti420, I think it was pinned on some mentally disturbed guy. In other words, there was no real reason just like Hinkley and RR.

Grammie

Cee is by far the most dishonest person on this site. Name a single instance in which Mike said he approved of Saddam. You can't. It's a lie. It's a damn lie. It's a tactic you extremists on the right use everytime you are faced with uncomfortable facts. It doesn't work anymore. Everyone knows your shoddy tactics.

I am very sorry your Surge has failed, but don't go after the truthtellers. Go after the failed policymakers.

Loved the baseball spoof JG had.

KO said so many mind blowing comments that it is hard to pick a fave but this one takes one the awards "Wittle bit of wiggle woom.".

An evil CEO tries to build in some wiggle room, a perjurer tries to build in some wiggle room, DEMS testifying at Congressional hearings try to build in a little wiggle room [Just kidding, s/b people].

A "journalist' for a national cable news who has built in so much wiggle room that he should recuse himself from interviewing an entire administration just may be a dishonest, lying, partisan shill.

Grammie

Grammie

Look who's here on this thread... No name! Are you here because you had problems finding someone of substance who agrees with you that the surge is not working? Loser!

My favorite part of KeithO's SOTU review. This comment...

KEITH- ".... (Bush) repeated again; stopping a plot to fly a plane to the tallest building in Los Angeles -- that's the Liberty Tower Library Tower story about which counterterrorism experts have their doubts, to say the least, and about which the President when initially reporting it did not previously inform the authorities of the city of Los Angeles that he was going to reveal that, sending that city into something of a panic, and got the name of the building wrong when he first revealed it. Another story about passenger jets invoked again, bound for America over the Atlantic, even though it proved later that the people who were supposed to try to blow them up did not have tickets nor passports to even get on board those planes. "

Its classic Loon fodder. In light of his revelation in the Kurtz interview that he knows when and when not to be partisan... How can he begin his comments questioning the veracity of these thwarted terrorist attacks.

He claims again, "counterterrorism experts have their doubts" yet these people are currently be prosecuted. Its his way of giving his own delusions merits by throwing in the "unknown experts"

And then the second terrorist plot Keith claims could not have had any merits because a lack of "passports and tickets." The mensa idiot fails to note that a mere week before 911, the hijackers did not have tickets.

Its classic 'loonacy' that just makes me wonder why MSNBC gives this guy credibility when he continues to make an ass out of himself.

Yet finally when they went to Andy Card for comments, he called KeithO out for their idiocy and bias.... the republicans need more people like Card to show what an ass KeithO is.

I am here RK because someone needs to try to set you Bushites straight.

When someone says that Saddam Hussein should not have been removed from power under the authority of UN Resolution, one may assume that there is approval for his continuing ruling of the country.....

Including his known use of repressive policies against his own people.....

Including his financial and rhetorical support terrorists in Palestine.....

Including his trageting and threatening of our planes in the noi-fly zones......

Including his appearance of pursuing WMD and his lack of denial of same......

Oh yeah....and that pesky report on 60 MINUTES.....it seems Saddam was playing the time game and when the future rolled around, his love of WMD would return and we would be dealing with him AND Iran now......

You see, anon....you're wrong about Saddam....as is Mike....The world is much better off with him gone and with a democratic and free Iraq.....Whatever it takes to keep Iraq from falling to Al Queda and/or radical Shia allied with Iran.....Bush has made that happen and the next President will be responsible to see it through to full stability!

R E A L I T Y !

So.....cry all you want about the past....the time is now and leaders LEAD into the future...not bring us back to the past.....

The radical left wants immediate withdrawl of troops....it ain't gonna happen until after 1/09, potentially....and I would like to see the ruling class give their commitments to the Iraqi people as well as the American electorate.....

I am very sorry your Surge has failed, but don't go after the truthtellers. Go after the failed policymakers.

Posted by: at January 29, 2008 12:09 PM

Funny, even obama said last night that the surge was successful, still gonna vote for him?

11:08: "OK, three replies from obvious socialists and none reply to Olbergoebbels bog of white powder theory."

I guess you just didn't read too well, did you?

To begin with, please tell we exactly what does being for or against this lunacy we call the Iraq War have to do with socialism?

I think I made it pretty clear with my 10:44 post that there is every reason to believe that Al Qeada may well have been delighted by Bush's policies and therefore possibly have had reason to target Bush policy critics such as KO and Jon Stewart.

As for Cee's response, ...... that was just another absurd example of classic right winger dishonesty of asserting that anyone who opposes the Iraq War must therefore have approved of Saddam.

12:53 was cee

Having a little trouble with the "remember me" button at 12:53 Cee?

Answer a simple querstion Mike.....

With Saddam continuing to encourage the belief he had and wanted to gain more deadly WMD in 2002, and in light of the 60 MINUTES revelation that he planned on resuming active WMD programs while in power, is it not reasonable to say the world is better off with the democratic government of Iraq than the mess that was Hussein?

And if you answer this NO....why is it not logical to characterize your position as being in approval of Saddam....If not, why?

Because Cee, the logical fallacy in your position is that being against Saddam Hussein requires one to have supported a solution as radical as starting a war that has killed and permanently wounded many thousands of Americans, and is literally bankrupting our treasury and our future.

Run along Mike. Your arguments are a sinking ship. You are still on board trying to re-arrange the deck chairs. Your own party has abandon you.

Factor sez: "Your own party has abandon you."

Wanna bet?

Go Obama!

What part of 'jon stewart is on the comedy channel' do you not get?

"What part of 'jon stewart is on the commedy channel' do you not get?"

What part of 'satire is a brilliant and very effective method of providing political counterpoint' that you do not get?

Saddam Hussein was asked to step down, Mike.....How, if someone will not comply with a demand, do you suppose he be forced to comply? Physical force. Now, you may complain all you like about the tactics and events 2003-2008 but the FACT remains that Hussein was removed after he failed to comply and is now GONE. Period. Your theoretical argument does not matter in light of reality and what to do now to support the growing democracy in Iraq.....You wanted withdrawl and that would have resulted in the fall of the fragile democracy. Period. The surge has worked and now it is clear that someone else will be held responsible if it fails....Bush's policy remains intact until 1/09.....

You avoid the logical analysis of reality like the plague.

Funny, even obama said last night that the surge was successful, still gonna vote for him?

Posted by: royal king at January 29, 2008 12:59 PM

crickeys...

Wanna bet?

Go Obama!

Posted by: Mike at January 29, 2008 1:25 PM

mike likes obama because he is a part time senator with no experience and he voted to keep porn available on school computers.

Cee: "You avoid logical analysis of reality like the plaque."

Not at all.

If you and yours would stop defending the original and false premise for going into Iraq in the first place, THEN we could move on to a possibly consensus on what to do now that what is done is done.

If the 'surge' ultimately 'works', it will hardly justify the original invasion and it's immense costs in lives and treasure (That we don't have). I will never lose site of that.

Just because we MAY have temporarily put our finger in the hole in the levy, the fact is that it would have been better if we had never made that hole in the first place.

"Go obama!" says mike......

Obama takes big risk on driver's license issue

Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Monday, January 28, 2008

(01-28) 04:00 PST Washington -- Sen. Barack Obama easily won the African American vote in South Carolina, but to woo California Latinos, where he is running 3-to-1 behind rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, he is taking a giant risk: spotlighting his support for the red-hot issue of granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Oh yeah, RK....the racial politics are only going to get worse in the party of "tolerance" and Clinton Co. will use the horrible tactics that the left usually cries foul on.....Oh well......

And in regards to Obama's past stand on the Iraq War.....what does he want to do in the future?.....

"Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda."

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

###
So, let me understand Obama's plan....As Commander-in-Chief, he is committing himself to a decision he will implement in 2/2009 at the earliest without considering there may be new developments that make such a drastic and fast pullout militarily disasterous....

He mentioned not ONCE, the input from military commanders or our allies in Iraq. Is this really a resonable position to take....A press release foreign policy that is only poll driven and not considerate of what may be the conditions on the ground in 2009?

I look at this like I look at the Korean penisulla....policy must match the PRESENT threat.....not the polls, not the politics......freedom and democracy are values that demand more flexability and honor....Our allies depend on such reliability....and our enemies will be looking for such weakness.

So, Mike and others....If a President Obama reverses Bush's policy and begins managing the war based on political polls and influences instead of the military input and ally need....if Iraq falls after 2009 to radicalism....who will be at fault?

I think I know the answer.......

Cee, I pretty damned certain that Obama will not manage the war based on polls. He has been consistant on his position on this war long before it ever became politically expedient.

"If Iraq falls after 2009 to radicalism....who will be at fault?"......The answer is easy. The half wit who began this insanity will always shoulder the blame.....not the one who ended it.

That said, I don't believe a President Obama will make a rash decision without considering the situation at the time, and without considering high level military input.

Let us never forget that President Half wit originally IGNORED high level military input regarding required troop strength before the invasion....and then fired the General who dared to speak his mind on the subject.

You are right about one thing; "radicalism" is exactly the correct term for the thought process that initiated this insanity we call the Iraq War..

"If Iraq falls after 2009 to radicalism....who will be at fault?"......The answer is easy. The half wit who began this insanity will always shoulder the blame.....not the one who ended it.

Can you say "BDS?" Let me get this straight. obama pulls the troops, Iraq falls, it's Bush's fault! TDF!!!!(*)====

So with over two years of progress...both security and political success, and the troops are pulled to quickly or allies are ignored because a president has to meet an artificial goal of getting all troops out of Iraq in 16 months, you really think the fault would be at the feet of the person who's policy was working and was changed, Mike?

How did you arrive at that conclusion? The current commander would not be the one to accept the responsibilities of his policy?

Richard Nixon was not held to account for his decisions regarding Vietnam?

All I know is that after the Korean conflict, Presidents made the right decision to defend an ally, up to this DAY!.....Iraq deserves no less.

From Drudge:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/politics/clinton_cancels_on_the_cablers_76017.asp

Iraqis mock US soldiers and themselves on You Tube

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080129061907.5lq73pea&show_article=1

I think this speaks volumes about the Iraqis and how far they progressed.

Grammie

Richard Nixon was not held to account for his decisions regarding Vietnam?

All I know is that after the Korean conflict, Presidents made the right decision to defend an ally, up to this DAY!.....Iraq deserves no less.

Posted by: cee at January 29, 2008 4:14 PM

Don't expect anything but "needless deaths" "they didn't attack us" "maimed" and crickeys in regards to obamas voting record and illegal immigration stance.

RK, this is why I KNOW the war in Iraq is only an issue that needs to be managed to the democrats, not an important stand against terrorism and for freedom of thought and religion......

It is a shame. The democrats feel such little sympathy for millions of liberated people looking to the world to keep them from falling under the thumb of despots and theocrats. Iraq is set....we have been there for 4 years now....to prematurely withdraw, a new policy, is to destroy all that has been accomplished and history will rightly judge if that drastic and unnecessary measure is taken (especially if only for personal political reasons).

Would we leave South Korea without protection against the communist North?

Two years of a successful policy will change the situation on the ground in Iraq....If Obama or Clinton become President and still move only based on their politically charged plans and the policy fails, excuses will not be accepted by either the American people, or history.....

And millions of lives will be at risk.

Two years of a successful policy will change the situation on the ground in Iraq....If Obama or Clinton become President and still move only based on their politically charged plans and the policy fails, excuses will not be accepted by either the American people, or history.....

And millions of lives will be at risk.

Posted by: cee at January 29, 2008 4:40 PM

Including lives here in the US.

Cee-
"Would we leave South Korea without protection against the communist North?"

Great question...

I just got a gander at Olby. Man, what a huge gut. Back away from the buffet, Olby. The lighting in the studio makes him look like a giant blueberry or a grape in that suit. He looks a cross between Violet Beauregarde and an Oompa Loompa tonight.

"Richard Nixon was not held to account for his decisions regarding Vietnam."

Richard Nixon had many things to be faulted for, but his role in de-escalating the Vietnam War was NOT one of them.

Our failure regarding Vietnam can be mostly laid at the feet of that OTHER Texan named Lyndon Johnson who made the terrible decision to contrive the Gulf of Tonkin incident and escalate our role from advisory to massive involvement.

Your arguments seem to imply that a president bears no responsibility for getting us involved Militarily where we should NEVER have been involved in the first place, ..... but the predecessor brought in to clean up their mess should bear it all.

Your thinking makes no sense at all.

"including lives here in the US"

Wierd!

"including lives here in the US"

Wierd!

Posted by: Mike at January 29, 2008 7:32 PM

Only to a hard core spolbyloon.

"Go obama!" says mike......

Obama takes big risk on driver's license issue

Carolyn Lochhead, Chronicle Washington Bureau

Monday, January 28, 2008

(01-28) 04:00 PST Washington -- Sen. Barack Obama easily won the African American vote in South Carolina, but to woo California Latinos, where he is running 3-to-1 behind rival Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, he is taking a giant risk: spotlighting his support for the red-hot issue of granting driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Shhhh, don't make a peep about your boy, obama. (whispering)

"Two years of a successful policy will change the situation on the ground in Iraq....If Obama or Clinton become President and still move only based on their politically charged plans and the policy fails, excuses will not be accepted by either the American people, or history"

Oh I don't know Bush seems full of excses for his failed plans. but hey, maybe the tenth time and the two triilionth dollar is the charm.

"Shhhh, don't make a peep about your boy Obama. (Whispering)."

Yes, I've already noticed that you're so anxious for the swift boating to begin that you've started it yourself prematurely.

Mike,

The swift boaters told the truth about John Kerry. If you can find any lies they told, please list them.

Yes, I've already noticed that you're so anxious for the swift boating to begin that you've started it yourself prematurely.

Posted by: Mike at January 29, 2008 8:58 PM

Posting facts are 'swiftboating' to mike. Weird.

The number one "swift boater" of 2008 is named Bubba!

BJ is flat out smearing, there ain't no "swiftboating" about his game nor is there any shame to his game.

"the swift boaters told the truth about John Kerry"

And Goldilocks and the Three Bears was a true story too!

Mike,

Nice punt. I didn't really expect more than that.

Well Rico, the term "swiftboat" has become a universally understood moniker for 527 mud slinging campaign distortions and outright lies for good reason.

If you don't understand that, that's YOUR problem.

I'm not going to re-open this tired old debate again except to say that, as a former serviceman myself, only those who served directly WITH me have the right to judge my service, .... and NOT politically biased members who simply served somewhere in the vicinity.

It is a well established FACT that most of those who served directly WITH Kerry also supported Kerry.

Another punt.

Mike,

Define "most". There was a picture taken of Kerry and a couple of dozen or so other swift boat officers taken way back then in Vietnam. I recollect that about three out of them were Kerry supporters. That ain't most.

Lots of loony lefties have accused the swift boat vets of dishonesty. We are all still waiting for even one example. But of course it's self evident, isn't it? Of course, that is if you are an unhinged leftist or fellow traveler.

BOBO,

Let's hear one lie the swift boat vets told about Kerry. Just one, please.

And I don't worry very much about what people in show business think about politics.

Of course, not only do you not understand my politics, you do not even understand your own. But I do. It's too bad you will never get that one.

But let us move on to more important issues. Was I right or wrong about the double sided Wild Thing 45?

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Well therein lies your problem Rico. You believe what you wish to believe and disregard what you don't wish to believe....you then dismiss anyone who dares to challenge you with truth as "unhinged" or "loony".

"Other Swift Boat Officers" are EXACTLY the type I was referring to as those who might have only served "in the vicinity" and therefore have no right to judge. Typically, Swift Boat Officers didn't serve directly with each other. They were each assigned to their own boats.

The veterans I believe who served DIRECTLY with Kerry were his enlisted crew members and his direct superiors, who support him almost to a man.

THEY are the ONLY ones qualified to judge his service, not "other Swift Boat Officers".

Continue to lIve in your right wing induced stupor if you wish Rico, the rest of America will hopefully move on from this kind of dishonesty and histeria.

Rico, 4 out 20 swiftboaters supported kerry. That's "most" to people like 'why.'

Rico, if I remember right only one man who served on a swift boat with him made a public endorsement for him.

He also has not released his total military records although I understand he promised to more then once but has only authorized a few instead of the whole package.

Grammie

And the dishonest swiftboating of a combat veteran who served his country well and deserves better continues from those who didn't on this personal attack blog.

The real story......

http://www.swiftvets.com/index.php

By CAROL ROSENBERG
crosenberg@MiamiHerald.com

WASHINGTON -- More than 80 attorneys who have been offering free-of-charge legal services to Guantánamo detainees issued a statement Monday supporting Democrat Barack Obama's presidential bid.

http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/397317.html

shocker......

Janet: "Rico, if I remember correctly, only one man who served on a Swift Boat with him made a public endorsement for him."

Drew Whitlow, Gene Thorson, & Del Sandusky, among others, ..... equals "one" in Janet's world?

Meanwhile NO members of the malicious SBVT members were aboard Kerry's boat during any of the incidents that he was decorated for.

The TRUTH is that what they were REALLY angry about was Kerry's subsequent public opposition of the Vietnam War.

What I really wonder about is how some of these peopl are able are able to even sleep at night?

Drew Whitlow, Gene Thorson, & Del Sandusky, among others, ..... equals "one" in Janet's world?

posted by mike

She said "public" endorsement. I still think she is closer and more accurate than "most" like you and 'why' claimed. Most?

Drew Whitlow, Gene Thorson, & Del Sandusky, among others, ..... equals "one" in Janet's world?

posted by mike

She said "public" endorsement. I still think she is closer and more accurate than "most" like you and 'why' claimed. Most?

This is no big deal to mike and 'why.' kerry's a fine dude to them.

We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges, his exaggerated claims about his own service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compel us to step forward.

For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we were maligned as misfits, drug addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have resolved to end our silence.

The real story....

Overall, more than 250 Swift boat veterans are on the record questioning Kerry's fitness to serve as Commander-in-Chief. That list includes his entire chain of command -- every single officer Kerry served under in Vietnam. The Kerry game plan is to ignore all this and pretend that the 13 veterans his campaign jets around the country and puts up in 5-star hotels really represent the truth about his short, controversial combat tour.

http://horse.he.net/~swiftpow/index.php?topic=FAQ

Thanks for condoning and proving that kerry is a loser by ignoring what he did @ 1:19. I forgot to post the link, cowy. You don't post links purposely, big difference.

Oh those republicans !
The family values party !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at January 30, 2008 1:35 AM

Don't make a peep about all the lies billy boy has told in just the last week. Grasp tightly to your badge O hackery.

All the while 'why' condones this. Hypocritical? Indeed. Hack? Indeed.

We regret the need to do this. Most Swift boat veterans would like nothing better than to support one of our own for America's highest office, regardless of whether he was running as a Democrat or a Republican. However, Kerry's phony war crimes charges, his exaggerated claims about his own service in Vietnam, and his deliberate misrepresentation of the nature and effectiveness of Swift boat operations compel us to step forward.

For more than thirty years, most Vietnam veterans kept silent as we were maligned as misfits, drug addicts, and baby killers. Now that a key creator of that poisonous image is seeking the Presidency we have resolved to end our silence.

By CAROL ROSENBERG
crosenberg@MiamiHerald.com

WASHINGTON -- More than 80 attorneys who have been offering free-of-charge legal services to Guantánamo detainees issued a statement Monday supporting Democrat Barack Obama's presidential bid.

http://www.miamiherald.com/campaign08/story/397317.html

abc/nightline is equivalent to the Navy, now? Wow.

BOBO,

Even the Vietnamese don't agree on exactly what happened on Feb. 28, 1969. I bet they weren't really into the calender that much back in those days. I don't trust ABC's reporters any more than you trust the swift boaters.

Of course the Navy backs their own story. They are defending themselves. This prooves nothing. The swift boaters' accusation in this case is not proovable, and it cannot be unprooven, either.

I would like to know exactly how and when the Navy backed Kerry's account that won the medal.

Did they have an inquiry and issue an official judgment after the SBVT charges.

Did a high ranking officer make an announcement based on the original paperwork.

Or is the statement based on the vets who were there when it happened.

I don't remember one way or the other b/c I only remember the network investigation.

Grammie

Thanks for the answer CB before I asked the question.

Do you know what actions the Navy took that prompted this from Bobo "The people who were there AND US Navy said he did!
Is the Navy lying...or is the ONeill lynchmob ?" or are you stating what Navy regs are?

Thanks,

Grammie

Generally, when a matter can neither be proven nor disproven, the official record stands. That is the Navy record. It is a matter which is concluded.

Posted by: at January 30, 2008 12:37 PM

Translation: ain't got no proof.........

No answer. Shocked.

Generally, when a matter can neither be proven nor disproven, the official record stands. That is the Navy record. It is a matter which is concluded.

Posted by:why don't you think at January 30, 2008 12:37 PM

Translation: ain't got no proof.........

No proof, shocked......

Translation: ain\'t got no proof.........
No proof, shocked......\"

Yep, No evidence, no analysis and no logic. that\'s our RK!

Generally, when a matter can neither be proven nor disproven, the official record stands. That is the Navy record. It is a matter which is concluded.

Posted by:why don't you think at January 30, 2008 12:37 PM

Yep, No evidence, no analysis and no logic. that\'s our why?

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