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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    January 4, 2008
    Keith Olbermann Kauses Konfusion Among Kos Kidz

    There's total Kos Konfusion tonight as their hero and financial benefactor, the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann, is getting decidedly mixed reviews from the Kossacks. It seems they're finally tumbling to what we have known all along: he's in Hillary Clinton's pocket.

    Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly book Culture Warrior

    "turneresq" writes:

    What the hell. I mean, what the hell Keith? Olbermann has continually belittled the Obama win here tonight.... I have long suspected that Olbermann is not a huge fan of Obama, based on some anecdotal evidence. But tonight he is really taking the cake.... He then tries some ridiculous spin, but claiming that if you subtract the 20% independents, Obama "only" wins 32-31. This is truly unbelievable. Not only does he not subtract the independents from the other campaigns, he attemps to diminish the fact that Obama just brought huge numbers of new people into the democratic fold.

    And then the Kos Kommenters let loose:

    • Half of Keith's audience watches him on Crooks and Liars. He's got to stay in good with the netroots types, even if it means rooting for the loser.
    • never even say Obama's name on the air----maybe a couple brief mentions in passing, usually framing something about him in a dim light. He has never given Obama fair coverage. His truthtelling never included honesty about Obama. You would never have known he was running for anything, let alone President, by watching his show. I lost respect for him for that reason.
    • Douchebag. But he's not going spoil my mood because Obama is giving a SPEECH FOR THE AGES.
    • KO is clearly just falling prey to "oh God I'm live and need something superficially insightful to say" disease. It's common during times like these no matter who the commentator.
    • I do detect a pro-Hillary bias in his reporting on the Democratic nomination process - at all times. I never see him interviewing any of the other candidates on Countdown, but I've seen him interview Hillary. I'm going to be interested if he does get those interviews how he acts, or if he'll ever ask Hillary a tough question.
    • Olbermann might make such an analysis to get a sense of how Obama will fare in the vast majority of Democratic primaries that do not allow independents to vote. Did that ever occur to you?
    • All he does is play up the fact that independents helped carry Obama to victory. DUH! Stop carrying Clinton's water!
    • he is certainly trying to downplay the win...he did it again... If you take independents away...HE STILL WINS...
    • Olbermann is a Hillary hack. The guy never even mentions Obama. Any "host" that never brings on a guest that disagrees with him has their agenda. Go do another horrid "Special Comment," Keith.
    • I'm a Clinton supporter, and I have never detected a bias for Clinton from him. Bias for Democrats, yeah, sure.
    • Jesus Christ, you WON, get a f@@@ing grip. Calling Olbermann, Krugman and any progressive that has been sticking his neck out for YOU in a sea of Republican media propaganda a "hack" and worse is exactly why people like me could not support Obama in the primaries.... Stop dumping on progressive allies.
    • Seriously, we have big problems if progressives are going to go ballistic on a guy like Keith Olbermann. He's literally the only person on TV who's worth a shit in terms of attacking Bush and defending progressive principles.
    • Had to turn off the Olby-Tweety Show when they were still talking as if there's only two candidates when Edwards was neck and neck and eventually beating Hillary. It's pathetic.
    • Even though I like Keith a lot, I feel like he has been downplaying Obama and playing up to Hillary whenever he talks about the campaigns.
    • Oh, how I used to love Keith Olbermann. In my house the 7 p.m. hour was sacred. Everything stopped at 7 p.m. Not any more. When the primaries started in earnest, I saw Keith use every chance he could to boost Hillary. Good news about Obama was relegated to nano seconds. And when he had Craig Crawford on, they piled on Obama.

    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (113) | | View blog reactions

    113 Comments

    Did you hear him trying to make much out of the 20% independent vote, stating several times that if you took it away, the margin would be 32-31. Each time he said it, he was shot down.

    I made the comment before the whole post was up. Sorry for the redundancy.

    Did anyone notice that Chris Matthew gave Barack Obama a hand job that would be the envy of most prostitutes and gooshed over how he's the world's rebuke of Dubya and that he's the product of America and Kenya and had a 'third world prespective'. It was so good it gave Chris an orgasm

    Daily Kos is turning on their hero? Excuse me while I protect myself from flying pigs.

    Ha!!! How many times have I told you Olby loving loons that Olbermann is in the pocket of the Clinton crime family. Just wait until his next Meltdown. It will be both barrels aimed at Obamanation. No, project Rudy, no Bush rants, and no Huckabee rants. Nothing but Obamanation assaults. Its go time for the Clinton machine and their lead attack dog.

    Dark night for you KEITH, we know you're reading this. You done been exposed pal by us and your audience at Kos!!! You're a SHILL!!

    did anyone notice that when romney was giving his speech at the same time as huckabees victory speech olbermann called it sour grapes by romney, but later as biden gave his speech at the same time obama was giving his victory speech olbysham didnt say a word about biden?

    did anyone notice that when romney was giving his speech at the same time as huckabees victory speech olbermann called it sour grapes by romney, but later as biden gave his speech at the same time obama was giving his victory speech olbysham didnt say a word about biden?

    did anyone notice that when romney was giving his speech at the same time as huckabees victory speech olbermann called it sour grapes by romney, but later as biden gave his speech at the same time obama was giving his victory speech olbysham didnt say a word about biden?

    I smell a Mike Gravel Rally!
    Or maybe it's just teen spirit.

    btw, who is Mike Gravel?

    "a sea of Republican media propaganda"?

    That "sea" must exist in the same alternative universe where jet fuel can't melt steel, where Diebold cheated John Kerry in Ohio, where huge throngs line up eager to see "Lions for Lambs" ...

    Ah yes....the leftist ruling elite and their propagandist, Keith Olbermann, handed a defeat the size of Iowa....HRC is unelectable and someone put their eggs in one basket....I guess the view of America from his million plus dollar apartment overlooking central park is kinda skewed!

    It is interesting to see the man's behavior regarding rationalizing the stunning defeat of the left's ruling class candidate. In a state of real Americans....not leftist radicals, people made their voices heard for future looking candidates looking to unite the country, not divide the country and discard more than half of it over tried and failed leftist ideology....This was truly a generational and ideological test and I am more than satisfied with the results.

    Obama is not a coward scared of his left fringe like HRC....we shall see how the left's establishment reacts in the next few days as they plot his defeat in New Hampshire, South Carolina and super-duper Tuesday.

    Joyful to watch!

    Lol! Olbermann kicks butt. Mainly neocon dork butt. He said it for all of us,Bush is a liar, his followers are morons, frauds, traitors and scum.

    Nice diversion from the thread, darlie.....Try again, not biting....

    Olbermann is a self-centered egotist who saw stars in his eyes with the Clinton Co. push and payed early on.....his investment will tank and he will remain a fourth tier anchorman with poor ratings and a fringe audience....

    Live with it....the man says it all to manipulate you to pay for his Manhattan lifestyle....all he wants is a similar place in DC and HRC is the ticket....too bad it looks dubious now.

    Go Obama.

    These screen-caps from the Today Show interview with Hillary reveal why Olby loves her so much.

    Click the sig for the link... URL didn't take above.

    How can MSNBC keep presenting KO as a newsman when he refuses to interview any of the Republican candidates and is clearly in the pocket of the Clintons?

    I love the comments from the leftist blogs... I guess "Progressive" is a code word for "Hillary Clinton supporter"

    Phari-cee's right-wing elite have chosen Preacher Huckabee as his leader.

    "Phari-cee's right-wing elite have chosen Preacher Huckabee as his leader."


    ###
    I am not so sure that is accurate, Lucy....The social conservative grassroots of Iowa came out in droves to support Governor Huckabee in the face of the conservative establishment candidates....so I would take a deep breath if I were you and wait for New Hampshire and super Tuesday....the republican nomination is truly up in the air......

    Giuliani and McCain passed on Iowa like Bill Clinton did in 1992 (and McCain pulled out a decent showing anyway) and there will be much different grassroot dynamics in New Hampshire and the super Tuesday states.

    Your elite, however, have picked a loser....even to the future of your party, the under 30 crowd, HRC is the past....she is 60's baby-boomer leftist ideology persona non grata and I am happy to see democracy work for the good of the country.

    Now we get to see the knives come out on Obama from the truly morally bankrupt left elite...But my prediction is that America will embrace him and he will survive the onslaught....His nomination to stand as a presidential candidate will be a breath of fresh air and hopefully the republicans will also contribute to the positive trend of hope and optimism people like you and the far left never offer.

    Edwards corporate greed negativism and Clinton's retread did not win out last night.

    perhaps douchebag refuses to acknowledge Obama because he hates black people?

    Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) seems to want to ignore the endorcements of the left's ruling class......

    NOW

    John Corzine

    Geraldine Ferraro

    Barbara Mikulski

    Dolores Huerta

    Antonio Villaraigosa

    Thomas Menino

    Sheldon Whitehouse

    Albio Sires

    David Dinkins

    Richard Gephardt

    Robert Menendez

    Joseph Wilson

    Jane Harman

    Rob Reiner

    Raul Yzaguirre

    Lucille Roybal-Allard

    John Street

    John Lewis

    Walter Mondale

    I could go on and on with leftist politicians and elite, but I don't want to embarass Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) once again....

    Logic is not his strong suit....Obama has been derided by leftists as not ready for the presidency....Andrew Young comes to mind......

    But Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) comes here and tries to spin.....It's about the elitist leadership of a party that has lost its way, man.....and you just can't seem to face that fact.....

    Poor guy....his own arrogance has blinded him.....

    ###
    "I am not so sure that is accurate, Lucy....The social conservative grassroots of Iowa came out in droves to support Governor Huckabee in the face of the conservative establishment candidates....so I would take a deep breath if I were you and wait for New Hampshire and super Tuesday....the republican nomination is truly up in the air......"


    Sorry, Phar-cee, I was merely applying the same rubric to your relationship to your party that you use when goading me about that corporatist hack Hillary Clinton.

    I have not done that since the last time I responded to you, Lucy....The difference again is that Huckabee is not the republican establishment candidate yet....sure there is a possibility he will be the nominee and the conservative elite will have to accept it but I am not sure there are even odds on that possibility.

    Clinton was the presumed candidate and she is very liberal...she has the great support of the left's elite as I proved by responding to Mr. blank-FLUCKER's (cue OLD SPICE jingle) idiocy.....As she falls, so does a generation's failed ideology that should have been abandoned 10 years ago by the democrats but has and was not.....voila....Obama.....

    Please remember, I do not like Huckabee as a presidential candidate, despite his public expression of his love of Christ.....He has very limited foreign policy experience and has expressed views that I feel are not beneficial to our nation's security....Like Bill Clinton, his lack of foreign policy experience could be a problem as totalitarianism is still a real danger in our world.....

    However, in regards to the left's candidate, I am glad to see a sea change beginning here in Iowa....it was clear....The republicans have much more work to do.

    Ah, Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) once again tries to ignore what the Iowa loss for Clinton's means to THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY....What an idiot...these are the primaries and reflective of what the individual parties are facing....come the summer, if HRC or Obama is the candidate then his logic applies....no republican has influence in a democrat primary or caucus, twit!

    Oh my....I guess Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) just cannot get over the fact that the wise leaders of the left who brought us the current do-nothing congress and have endorced Clinton almost across the board are being rejected by the masses....Oh and this includes the leftist shill hack Keith Olbermann who had great things planned as the establishment (and Clinton) chief sychophant.

    Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) has succumb to dementia, as illustrated by his 9:29 AM post....spinning the loss of the establishment candidate of the democratic party as some kind of issue that bodes ill for republicans is like what the nutroots are doing in spinning the small caucus into some kind of sign that the country is about to become blue.....

    Sorry...look again....even with the promises new government programs and anti-Bush rhetoric, the Clinton machine could not muster a win....despite the left's establishment push from Hollywood to Washington DC to NYC.....HRC is a poor candidate from a time long gone....your generation, right Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle)?.....

    When the final nail is in the coffin on the Clinton dynasty and the old left is gone, a great sigh will come from the country......

    And then we can go on to the real business of the country and have a real, serious and adult campaign for President this year...

    Without the left's elite candidate being involved!

    Just showed Hiallry stumping on MSNBC and she definetly aged 10 more years overnight. It was a body blow to her campaign, but don't underestimate the Clintons... they are the modern day Phoenix.

    Remember- anyone but Hillary in '08!

    About 6 weeks ago, before I was murdered by the US CIA, during my interview with David Frost, I mentioned Osama bin laden had been murdered. Since our news in Pakistan isn’t filtered by Fixed News, CNN (Fixed News Lite) and the Bush crime family, we have known this fact for 5 years now. I’m so happy that your war on a feeling called, “terror” is finally over. Bless you and thank you for listening to me.

    > Go do another horrid "Special Comment," Keith.


    from a Kossack - ouch!

    At DU they're excusing his few mentions of Edwards and fast-talking about Obama by saying MSNBC and Matthews won't let him be tell the truth

    There once was a man from Secaucus
    Like Beale he'd try to shock us
    Barack he'll detest
    Post-election spitfest
    And he'll bias the Iowa caucus

    Going into the election it was unprecedented. There isn't an incumbent or a VP running for the first time in umpteen years! So the tagline was definitley going to be 'change'. And every single candidate, dem or rep is echoing that line.

    But change seems like a ridiculous tagline for Hillary, doesn't it? She gets a pass for a change from rep to dem in the whitehouse... but she and her husband have been riding the political chuck wagon for 20+ years. Bitch pleeeese.

    Agreed...

    On a side note, the reviews for Obama's speech last night have been glowing (Mike said he has never been so moved, sic) Your thoughts?

    I ask because he seems to me to have too much preacher in him. A sort of Rev. Jackson tone (not an ethnic thing). I like his words, not his demeanor. I think that may catch up with him. Thoughts?

    And Edwards hooplah has been quelled... odd for a second place finish

    Hillary is getting crushed even by her media fans.

    Mika is calling out the fact that she doesn't do media events without them being totally controlled. I missed this, but I guess she doesn't take questions unless they were planted. Media wild cards are ignored.

    How can this calculated woman get this far? I feel the media has coddled her.

    Mika just called her attitude as "entitled." The Obama bandwagon has left the station. You on it?

    from Inside Cable News

    "Keith Olbermann said last night that Mike Gravel had dropped out of the race" and apparently it was news to Gravel - now he wants an apology from KO and MSNBC

    Do facts matter?

    Get Gravel's offical campaign statement here.....

    http://www.gravel2008.us/content/were-still-race

    "MSNBC pundit Keith Olbermann"


    ###
    Yep...now that is an accurate description....But don't hold your breath for an apology.

    At least he didn't say Gravel was dead

    > Posted by: Frank Reynolds

    haha! I'm old enough to get that reference!

    Peggy Noonan said it well regarding Huckabee's appeal:

    "Mr. Huckabee likes to head-fake people into thinking he's Gomer Pyle, but he's more like the barefoot boy of the green room. He's more James Carville than Jim Nabors.

    "What we have learned about Mr. Huckabee the past few months is that he's an ace entertainer with a warm, witty and compelling persona. He won with no money and little formal organization, with an evangelical network, with a folksy manner, and with the best guileless pose in modern politics. From the mail I have received the past month after criticizing him in this space, I would say his great power, the thing really pushing his supporters, is that they believe that what ails America and threatens its continued existence is not economic collapse or jihad, it is our culture.

    "They have been bruised and offended by the rigid, almost militant secularism and multiculturalism of the public schools; they reject those schools' squalor, in all senses of the word. They believe in God and family and America. They are populist: They don't admire billionaire CEOs, they admire husbands with two jobs who hold the family together for the sake of the kids; they don't need to see the triumph of supply-side thinking, they want to see that suffering woman down the street get the help she needs.

    "They believe that Mr. Huckabee, the minister who speaks their language, shares, down to the bone, their anxieties, concerns and beliefs. They fear that the other Republican candidates are caught up in a million smaller issues--taxing, spending, the global economy, Sunnis and Shia--and missing the central issue: again, our culture. They are populists who vote Republican, and as I have read their letters, I have felt nothing but respect.

    "But there are two problems. One is that while the presidency, as an office, can actually make real changes in the areas of economic and foreign policy, the federal government has a limited ability to change the culture of America. That is something conservatives used to know. Second, I'm sorry to say it is my sense that Mr. Huckabee is not so much leading a movement as riding a wave. One senses he brilliantly discerned and pursued an underserved part of the voting demographic, and went for it. Clever fellow. To me, the tipoff was 'Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the devil are brothers?'"

    http://opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110011083


    ###
    So true....Her analysis of the end of Clinton Co. is also pretty much on target....

    Thank goodness!

    I watched a lot of TV as a CHILD. lol

    But really, on whom will he blame this error? Surely he will not take responsibility. I remember when he dragged Denis Horgan out to apologize for getting a drummer's name wrong, as he professed to be Horgan 's friend. Someone else will take the heat for this, but it might be too late because Olbermann's name is already in today's headlines.

    Olbermann was too busy trying to use arcane Polk and McKinley references; maybe he should worry about current facts.

    When the NYTimes praises Chris Matthews over you....well....:

    For Happy Warrior of Political Coverage, Another Joyous Night

    By ALESSANDRA STANLEY
    Published: January 4, 2008

    "...Mr. Olbermann delivered a generic rundown of the candidates’ final pitches,..."

    "...Throughout the night, Mr. Matthews blurted on about the Roosevelt election in 1932 and 19th-century races. He mixed some metaphors and made up terms like “victory projectile.” But on a night when even Mr. Obama’s history-making victory could not impel the networks to interrupt their regular programming — “The Celebrity Apprentice” on NBC, a rerun of “Grey’s Anatomy” on ABC — all that unbridled enthusiasm on cable news was welcome...."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/04/us/politics/04watch.html?ref=politics

    It was terriic to see Olbermann get a beat down from Matthews & Howard Fineman about the "20 percent of independents" question. I do find it facisnating that Olbermann pronounced Barak Obama wrong on two occassions. The best though was Rachel Maddow comparing Obama to Bush. (That gem came in the final hour of coverage). Like I said before, it will be fascinating to watch Olbermann implode as Obama gets closer & closer to the nomination.

    memo to Ketih Olbermann:

    Is loving someone for their money any worse than loving them for their looks?
    By DAVID BADDIEL - More by this author »

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=505780&in_page_id=1879

    Holy cow, another glowing, fawning article about Keith Olbermann (this was the one the fan girls said was postponed so that Olbermann could announce his engagement). The comments are good, mostly negatively accurate.

    Making sense - with style
    'Conservative' Keith Olbermann offers up a mix of political, sports and pop-culture knowledge without any regrets

    By DAVID BARRON
    Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle

    http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ent/tv/5421792.html

    Let Olbermann continue to inch further out on that branch he's hanging on to. He's beginning to alienate his own (small) base. Sure some of the fangurls will never see the light (unless he's caught on to catch a predator and then they'll swear it was a set up) but his biases are clear and they are showing and it's clearly for HRC, not for the fringe candidates the lefties love so much (Kucinich). Watch him implode, just as he has at every job he has ever had. This one will be no exception.

    WOW!
    I've never really seen the Clinton bias that everyone seem to point out Olbermann had. But I saw it last night. I was a little disappointed in Olbermann. I mean I'll still watch his show, but yeah, kind of disappointing.

    keep watching, Trent, and you'll continue to be disappointed. If you view with an open mind you'll catch more bias and realize there's a lot of spin going on.

    Trent, agreed. I always felt Olbermann was a little weak in the politics game---at the very least came late to the game. I felt a little embarrassed for him watching how the political "elders" of MSNBC handled Olbermann. It was not Olbermann's night. I think he is best in the confines of his very controlled show.

    If you think about it, here was a black man winning in a 97 percent white Iowa caucus to be president, it was really something to witness. I think all (except Maddow, who compared Obama to George Bush, which was very sad and disappointing) were a little in awe of the night. I wanted Olbermann to just stop bringing up the "entrance" poll junk about independents vs dems. His Clinton bias in bring this polling thing up, in the context of the historical night, was starting to border on racism, I felt.

    Trent, agreed. I always felt Olbermann was a little weak in the politics game---at the very least came late to the game. I felt a little embarrassed for him watching how the political "elders" of MSNBC handled Olbermann. It was not Olbermann's night. I think he is best in the confines of his very controlled show.

    If you think about it, here was a black man winning in a 97 percent white Iowa caucus to be president, it was really something to witness. I think all (except Maddow, who compared Obama to George Bush, which was very sad and disappointing) were a little in awe of the night. I wanted Olbermann to just stop bringing up the "entrance" poll junk about independents vs dems. His Clinton bias in bring this polling thing up, in the context of the historical night, was starting to border on racism, I felt.


    Posted by: pundit junkie at January 4, 2008 7:06 PM

    How you pulled racism out of that is beyond me. But I think that he did show favoritism to clinton.

    Yes, Olbermann has been unfairly favoring Hillary over other Democratic hopefuls - as has most of the MSM - for about two years now. However, I had been actually thinking that he'd eased up a bit on this bias recently, including on last night's coverage.

    Matthews, now - there's a freak for you. His ad-libbing is simply wierd.

    Yes, Olbermann has been unfairly favoring Hillary over other Democratic hopefuls - as has most of the MSM - for about two years now. However, I had been actually thinking that he'd eased up a bit on this bias recently, including on last night's coverage.

    Matthews, now - there's a freak for you. His ad-libbing is simply wierd.

    Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at January 4, 2008 7:40 PM

    It was a little sad to see Olbermann last night. And I agree with you on Matthews, especially when he talks about Obama being "third world" and being the "son of Kenya". Not that there is anything particularly wrong with it -- but it just sounds wrong coming from his mouth. Kinda the same weird tension when you hear republicans try to address minorities.

    Trent, perhaps "racism" was a bit strong.
    Personally, I think that Olbermann is very much in the Clinton camp and is NOT a racist, but, again, IN THE CONTEXT of Obama, a black man, winning Iowa (mainly white), Olbermann's obsessive harping on the polling question could be considered by some, slightly racist.

    Trent, perhaps "racism" was a bit strong.
    Personally, I think that Olbermann is very much in the Clinton camp and is NOT a racist, but, again, IN THE CONTEXT of Obama, a black man, winning Iowa (mainly white), Olbermann's obsessive harping on the polling question could be considered by some, slightly racist.

    Posted by: pundit junkie at January 4, 2008 8:10 PM


    It would be insane to get racism out him, for favoring Hillary Clinton. And I think I would have to question anybody's intelligence if they did so.
    I think that THOSE people need to watch "The Munsters" skit from the Chappelle Show.

    Olbermann was really a fish out of water yesterday, I think it was very clear that he is a bit of a one-trick Bush-bashing pony. (Don't get me wrong, there is enough Bush administration corruption to fill thousands of Countdown shows). People seem to be moving on from Bush, and are getting caught up in the elections. Heck, Pelosi took impeachment hearings off the table.

    Olbermann was clearly the policital "baby" during yesterday's coverage, even David Shuster had to "handle/correct" him. (I think when you're getting handled by Shuster, you're just not that bright, politically).

    It will be interesting to see how he spins another Obama win---or an Obama nomination. Overall, Olbermann is very politically awkward in how he weaves his Hillary Clinton bias into his Countdown segments and election coverage. He better be careful, the Daily Kos and others are clearly getting wise to it.

    It would be insane to get racism out him, for favoring Hillary Clinton. And I think I would have to question anybody's intelligence if they did so.
    I think that THOSE people need to watch "The Munsters" skit from the Chappelle Show.
    Posted by: Trent the Marxist at January 4, 2008 8:23 PM

    It is not necessarily about
    'favoring Clinton"--- it's Olbermann's zealousness in SPINNING for Clinton that can get him into "problems" just by the very fact that Obama IS black and there ARE issues in politics concerning race. Clinton's people have already injected race via "was Obama a drug dealer" "Barack HUSSIEN Obama could be the Muslum Manchurian Candiate"---(YES, Bob Kerry actually said that on CNN).

    Like I said, I personally do not think Olbermann is a racist, he himself said he grew up in a bigoted environment. (As I'm sure most people experienced growing up in the 60's & 70's). And being a Clinton supporter and in lieu of the Clinton race-baiting tactics, I do not think it is too far of a stretch for some folks to consider Olbermann's spinning for Hillary (during an historic Obama WIN) slightly racist, or at the very least, bordering on race-baiting.

    As for the Chappelle skit, I'm sure it's funny. He is very funny and talented guy.

    Countdown is on. He has already accused Hillary Clinton of "spinning" the results in her favor. He also just interviewed Edwards. I've seen no trashing of Obama or negative spinning on his victory whatsoever.

    That said, as a regular countdown watcher, I have seen NO evidence of KO favoring Clinton over the other democratic canidates all along, ..... a bias many on this blog keep insisting he has.

    As someone who has favored Obama or Edwards over Clinton all along, I really think I would have noticed if Keith had been entrenched in the Clinton camp.

    That rather silly charge never made any sense to me anyway since KO's biggest criticizm has been the war in Iraq, which Clinton actually supported, and we STILL don't know where she really stands regarding it.

    He is now discussing Obama's chances in New Hampshire in a very positive manner.
    However, I'll keep watching for this alledged pro Clinton bias I keep reading about on this blog though!

    Olbermann just apologized for the Gravel incident, and blamed it on someone at the news desk. I guess that's really all he could do. He didn't just pull it out of thin air, but someone didn't do a thorough fact-finding job at the NEWS channel.

    Mike, I respect a lot of what you say here, but I must respectfully disagree with you on Olbermann not having a Clinton bias.

    Did you watch MSNBC's election coverage last night? I think it was the most visable yesterday. I would agree, Hillary has been getting a rough time of it since her Philly fumble, and Chris Matthews is especially intense about her, and perhaps that gives one the impression that Olbermann is being fair. It is often subtle but Olbermann does have a clear bias for Hillary. Just by that fact that he has Edwards on tonight is just one example.

    I am not near a TV, so I'll catch Countdown later. Perhaps he is "righting his journalism ship" in lieu of the Daily Kos critique.

    Mike - recheck the show. About Clinton, KO made some statements about her saying several weeks ago that she did not expect to win Iowa, and then he showed a clip from today where she said the same thing. I think that was to aid her attempts to dismiss critics' claims that she did not meet her expectations and to soften the loss. I dont see him doing that for other cadidates. I think Putting Edwards on tonight was a reaction from criticism from the blue blogs. There are some Obama and Edwards supporters who are pretty angry at KO.

    "Did you watch MSNBC's election coverage last night?"

    Absolutely....I did!

    The ONLY thing I saw that might have suggested such a bias was his mentioning several times that the margin of Obama's victory among Democrats was far less than the toal margin. I understand that some may have taken this as a pro-Clinton spin.

    HOWEVER, one of his jobs last night as the lead host was to present obscure statistics, in which he presented many others as well over the course of the evening.

    I can assure you that as a regular watcher of Countdown, and an "anybody but Hillary" democrat, I would have been highly annoyed, at the very least, if I had detected consistant pro - Clinton bias from the man.

    Mike, I think in the John Gibson audio J$ provided on another thread, Olbermann is "discounting" Iowa---just like Clinton had to do when her camp realized that she unlikely to win. I think he is aligned with her talking points.

    I have not seen tonights show yet, BUT, by having ONLY Edwards on, Olbermann solves his Daily Kos problem, AND he can "pimp" Edwards, which we all know, helps Clinton with her "Obama" problem. As you know, Edwards & Obama are splitting the majority of the anit-Clinton vote. Edwards does not have the money (or charisma) for the long haul. Trust me, this is a "win" "win" for Olbermann. Talking about Obama's historic win is NOT the same as actually having him/his representative there.

    Pundit, What you are any of the other advocates of KO's 'Hillary pushing' is exactly WHY an outspoken ANTI Iraq War pundit would actively favor a wishy washy PRO - Iraq War establishment candidate over the rock steady ANTI Iraq War candidate?

    Like I said, I watch the show regularly, and I haven't seen it.

    Mike - maybe you need new glasses? or an objective point of view? Or maybe you need to sit somewhere outside the Olbypologist reserved seating area? It's there. I see it and I'm not looking for it.

    hmmm...
    Olbermann went back to being unbiased towards the Democrats on his show. I don't know, I guess last night just wasn't good to him.

    Olbermann just apologized for the Gravel incident, and blamed it on someone at the news desk. I guess that's really all he could do. He didn't just pull it out of thin air, but someone didn't do a thorough fact-finding job at the NEWS channel.

    Posted by: at January 4, 2008 9:06 PM

    It most likely was an error from the news desk. Honestly, he wouldn't have time to make it up when he was live and the screen even cut to tape of Gravel's speech.

    I believe it was an error but a top-notch news organization may not have made such a mistake. There have been some staff cuts at MSNBC and thee budget cuts might be coming back to bite the news organization. If you make errors on the news how can you be trusted.

    I believe it was an error but a top-notch news organization may not have made such a mistake. There have been some staff cuts at MSNBC and thee budget cuts might be coming back to bite the news organization. If you make errors on the news how can you be trusted.

    Posted by: at January 4, 2008 11:47 PM

    Yeah, maybe we should start by pointing the finger at Fox News.

    Olby's not the only one shilling for Hillary- The Leprechaun is shilling hard for he as well! I can't even watch the Leprechaun's show anymore- he's to the left of Olby!!!

    "Mike, maybe you need new glasses, or an objective point of view."

    I guess you missed the point about how I am an unabashed Obama supporter myself and would have been offended myself if I had detected any obvious pro-clinton bias.

    You say you're not "looking for it", but I say you must be, because I say it's not there!

    Who is the Leprechaun?

    Thanks,

    Grammie

    "Who is the leprechaun?"

    10:1 odds he is referring to Chris Mathews.

    Wasted.....listen to Edwards, Kucinich, Clinton...they are NEGATIVE...their speeches are anti-this, this group is doing that, you are in trouble.....fear, fear, fear......

    Obama's tact is hopeful....

    So is Huckabee's (I don't care for him but if you listen to his speech Thursday night it was hopeful)....

    McCain's stump speeches are also positive and rarely attack others....

    The anti-American left is against core American institutions like free markets and private property....they must maintain a fear-filled NEGATIVE attack stance in order to advance their radical agenda.....

    The republicans tend not to, and this is because basic American principles of freedom in markets and private ownership are valued aspects of our culture.

    Senator Obama is a fresh new candidate that is not the typical leftist...thank goodness. I disagree with him on much of his ideology, but at least the man is genuine and seeking healing in our partisan torn nation.....thank you shrill selfish hacks like Pelosi, Reid and Clinton!

    Please Wasted...to try to defend Olbermann at this juncture is sad....his off the cuff behavior Thrusday night was clear evidence of his agenda....Friday's scripted COUNTDOWN and his half apology with excuses over the Gravel error was also a pathetic showing.....he will try to salvage his image as the criticisms come in about his Democratic Party Establishment bias and his love of all things Clinton Co.....he still has no credibility as a journalist.

    Please continue to ignore my red hot prediction in January 2007 that 2008 would still see President Bush continue his Iraq War policy fully supported by the new congress...That the left's ruling class would not end the war as they promised the voters in 2006 and that the election would see Iraq as a nonissue because of the successes to come.....

    Oh well.....the democrats just can't seem to get it right......Call a war lost, immoral and making us less safe but funding it then stop mentioning it because the "issue" seems not to be a winner?!?!....What great leadership!

    One show for years of bias and propaganda?....Yeah Wasted....lets shut down OW right now....Olbermann has reformed!

    What a joke....The man is not stupid.....he knows his image was tarnished during the Iowa coverage and he will play it safe for now....he has no credibility however when it comes to covering Clinton because of his previous behavior and his blatent showing Thursday night....He knows it and will attempt rehab....

    And we will see if his ratings reflect his mistakes......

    Then again, he can just compose yet another entertaining SPECIAL COMMENT to stir the pot a bit.....

    Oh, and when he reported that Gravel was shutting down his campaign, did he mention his source for the information like he did during the lengthy half apology/excuse ridden retraction?

    Please...the man is not journalist....he is a pundit and shill for the left.

    Pundit, What you are any of the other advocates of KO's 'Hillary pushing' is exactly WHY an outspoken ANTI Iraq War pundit would actively favor a wishy washy PRO - Iraq War establishment candidate over the rock steady ANTI Iraq War candidate?
    Like I said, I watch the show regularly, and I haven't seen it.
    Posted by: Mike at January 4, 2008 11:20 PM

    Mike, I finally got to watch Countdown and was glad Edwards was there to stop Olbermann's Hillary spin. Edwards diagreed with every question Olbermann posed. Edwards was great, he did not give an inch.

    The fact that Olbermann brought up the "Iowa was not important" was right out the Hillary taking points playbook. He did this directly and by challanging Edwards to say that the turn out was the big story (right from Hillary's speech caucus night). Thankfully Edwards refused to bite. He also pimped the Hillary talking point (already in full steam) as her being the "comback kid" just like Bill in 92. I believe the Countdown screen said "Hillary Comeback" Or Hillary comeback kid" Let us not forget that Bill was ahead in NH but came in 8 points in second place. Hillary IS ahead now in the NH polls.

    So in terms of Clinton bias, Olbermann used two of her talking points in last nights show alone.

    As for why he would support an pro-war candidate, I am not sure. But lately the war has not been given a lot or any news time on Countdown. Not bringing up the war only helps Clinton, I think you would agree with me on that.

    Olbermann, like the rest of the establishment democrats, only is vocally anti-war when it suits his selfish ambitions.....

    Clinton is anti-war now.....she has stated the troops would be withdrawn under her administration....to claim she supports the Iraqi against Al Queda is laughable.

    She flip-flopped, just like Edwards did.....

    Big deal....not what I would call a great attribute to a leader....solve the problem at hand....don't wring your hands and live over regrets....learn and take responsibility to solve the problems and challenges that one faces.

    I did not predict the '06 race.....in fact I was surprised the republicans did as well as they did considering history of the party in power and the mood of the country.....I was glad the country did not embrace the lunatic fringe left and we still had great leaders like Joe Lieberman representing the real voice of American in the Senate!

    No, no, wasted....The claim that there was a huge shift in ideology in the country in '06 was an over-reach.....Those that claimed the country was crying for immediate withdrawl and a reversal of Bush's foreign policy were and are still wrong.

    And Bush knew it and never backed down....a sign of a true leader....any democrat would have run scared of the 20%-ers like Olbermann and the kos kids and our foreign policy would be in tatters.....

    Nope, the moderates in our great land won out this year and Bush achieved great things in Iraq for freedom and democracy....thank goodness.

    We will see, anon.....as the erosion of people identfying themselves as democrats continues and the congress popularity numbers stay in the basement, lower than Bush's...oh, and a moderate Republican presidentrial candidate rises from the hard fought primaries and caucuses to face the far left candidate of the Democratic Party....we will see.....

    I have no predictions, only faith and hope in the American people that has been proven right again Thursday night in rejecting the fringe candidates of both parties....more so the left's rabble.

    Just like they rejected the anti-war radical against Lieberman and did not give the lunatic left veto-proof majorities or the mandate to to anything, essentially....allowing Bush to continue to lead as he was elected to do.

    Competency, environmentalism, frugal economic policies is where America is headed in the direct opposite direction of where we've been the last 7 years.


    Posted by: at January 5, 2008 12:34 PM

    From your lips to god's ears.

    "Such a lie that Cee is famous for....boy he pulled that one out of his ass."


    ###
    Who ever you are...and I have my theories....you have not been keeping up or staying informed.....I posted this nice one a couple of days ago here at OW.....

    http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2008/1/2/gop-surge-in-party-id.html?s_cid=rss:barone:gop-surge-in-party-id

    "[Rasmussen] observes, 'It is startling to note that the Democrats have lost two thirds of the partisan advantage since taking control of Congress.' Could this be some kind of turnaround?"


    ###
    See, unlike you I have support for what I write....Oh and that reason for unpopularity of Congress?.....do you have proff of that cause and effect....you know, the war not being ended is the reason people hate the Democrat Congress....

    What about S-CHIP....what happened there?.....
    Oh dear, what about the budget.....what happened there?......

    Mmmm....nice....

    And what about your claim that the one who carries the heaviest crucifix will win the republican nomination?.....proof?...

    What about McCain's surge?.....too much like Lieberman to make you comfortable, hey radical leftist anon (although I think I know who you are).....

    Oh well.....we'll just have to wait and see.....and how about that anti-War movement and promises made that the policy would be changed by Spring 2008?.....support for your theory that it is all the minority's fault....EVEN IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES WHERE THEY HAVE NO POWER AND ALL APPROPRIATION BEGIN UNDER OUR CONSTITUTION?....

    No funds.....no war......The Democrats gave Bush EVERY CENT HE ASKED FOR......they would make great leaders?

    Oh and the surge is working nicely, isn't it?.....less violence, less troops dying....are you not happy about that anon or do you also buy into the macabre anti-American left tact that people need to be dying to make you all look right?

    Oh my.....


    In that case I will do something you, RK and others seem to be unable to do...
    Admit I was wrong.


    Posted by: Wasted Keystrokes at January 5, 2008 12:45 PM


    I would, if I was....:)

    I guess you missed the point about how I am an unabashed Obama supporter myself and would have been offended myself if I had detected any obvious pro-clinton bias.

    You say you're not "looking for it", but I say you must be, because I say it's not there!

    Posted by: Mike at January 5, 2008 12:06 AM


    Finger in the wind, still? When did you ditch Edwards? Night before last? Just curious.

    I can assure you that as a regular watcher of Countdown, and an "anybody but Hillary" democrat, I would have been highly annoyed, at the very least, if I had detected consistant pro - Clinton bias from the man.

    Posted by: Mike at January 4, 2008 9:29 PM


    Could a person be any more unobservant? Could it be denial?

    > in reference to the apology to Gravel -"I can only wonder if all of you who claimed this will take responsibility and admit you were wrong."

    He did exactly what I expected him to do, blamed someone else. If it had been true he would have repeated in future interviews that HE announced it and given no one else credit.

    But I do believe his explanation. However, that doesn't excuse the poor investigation involved with the report to begin with. A good news organization would have deep-seeded sources to go to in each campaign, a person to turn to in order to check information like this, so they could credit that person or source in the initial announcement. Instead the network just ran with the story after checking that someone within the campaign had that name. Sloppy and one has to question if it's the result of all the network's budget cuts in the news division.

    Poor Daddy FLUCKER (cue Mr. Magoo theme) has lost his ability with numbers....how could Lieberman be concerned with popularity and support a war that is unpopular?.....The same with Bush?....Popularity?

    Oh my...Daddy FLUCKER (cue Mr. Magoo theme) is hopefully continent of urine still....Let me get this straight....getting tossed out of a party one has been a member of all their life over a principle of fighting totalitarianism is not leadership but concern over popularity?.....

    Oh, righty then.....

    Great analysis once again from the leftist brain trust here at OW.....

    And who or what, may I ask the eunuch Daddy FLUCKER (cue Mr. Magoo theme), does F-I-G, holy joe and W desire to be included with, at all costs?

    Please inform me on that claim!

    And again, where is the "issue" of Iraq during this political season? Who's talking about it....Who have been the winners and losers? How about the effectiveness of the surge that was predicted to be a failure and result in a worse violent situation in Iraq?

    Pundit: "Not bringing up the war only helps Clinton. I think you would agree with me on that."

    Not really. It doesn't matter whether not bringing up the war helps Clinton or not. The war has become more of a 'dead' issue for ALL of the media at the moment, because the violence obviously IS down, at least temporarily, ..... and the issue is of what we do about the war is pretty much settled for now, at least until after we get someone else in office. In other words there is nothing to bring up.

    I still say you guys are REALLY S T R E T C H I N G with your examples of pro-Clinton / anti-Obama bias instances. It reminds me of a woman complaining about how the host complimented someone else's dress, but not her's...and used THAT perceived slight to conclude that the host didn't like her.

    I am an unabashed Obama supporter myself

    posted by 'mike'

    But, he can't name ONE SINGLE THING that qualifies him to be president. Nor can he, or anyone here, name a single significant accomplishment by obama boy. TDF!!!(*)----

    Pundit: "Not bringing up the war only helps Clinton. I think you would agree with me on that."

    Not really. It doesn't matter whether not bringing up the war helps Clinton or not. The war has become more of a 'dead' issue for ALL of the media at the moment, because the violence obviously IS down, at least temporarily, ..... and the issue is of what we do about the war is pretty much settled for now, at least until after we get someone else in office. In other words there is nothing to bring up.
    Posted by: Mike at January 5, 2008 1:21 PM

    Mike, come on, be honest with yourself. NOT talking about the BIGGEST foreign policy blunder in our lifetime (perhaps in US history) absolutely helps Clinton (and a host of other hawkish repubs). She was getting hammered on her war vote, and Iranian guard vote. Thankfully the surge is working, but this does not fit the anti-war dems narrative. MSNBC & CNN are not going to risk damaging the Dems, even if it helps hawkish Clinton. Plus, it does seem to be true, violence is certainly down.

    I voted for Lieberman for Senate '00 when I lived briefly in Connecticut 1998 until 2000....I could never support the ill equipped Al Gore for president....he was not comfortable in his own skin....how could he lead the free world?

    BTW, I voted for John McCain in the CT primary that year hoping to bypass the establishment candidate that year....we failed but I was happy with the number two choice....

    Lieberman is a man of character and high moral values....He is an unembarrased supporter of Israel and too bad the anti-Semites in the Democratic party took control of it in 2006....Israel is a great friend and defender of freedom in region and the creeping bigotry of the secular left is rearing its ugly head.

    I have said it here before, Lieberman is one of two democrats I have cast ballots for in my lifetime....Frank Lautenberg in a NJ 1988 Senate race was the other and I blame youthful idiocy....Look what that senile old bugger has gotten us here in NJ.....

    A train station is named after him is Secaucus....

    Like I observe with the dems now.....the establishment candidate, HRC, is falling and I am so happy for it.....I hope McCain makes a great run and surprises everyone come Super Tuesday....now that I am back in NJ I get to participate and see if Giuliani or McCain earn my primary vote.

    LOL! Theee Anti Olbermans! I find you no better from the other side of the fence doing the same thing in the name of Olbermann!
    The real point is Obama isn't new words he's a new package. Does he want a free America? Does he want the war to stop? Not by his voting record it would see. He's voted to extend the Patriot Act and funding the war but says the opposite -- this isn't "new" either. When I see millions of people falling (again) for the same tired rhetoric I think of Albert Einstein's quote on the meaning of "Insanity", Doing the same things over and over and expecting different results. That sums up America in a nut shell. Voting for Obama is a Vote for more of the same - touch base with reality and look past what he's saying .. into what he's done. Though mostly he's been absent when voting on major issues there are a few that are the direct opposite of what he's told us he's for or against. Stop the insanity and look into it yourself before we get another loser. Not saying that he is just saying he is double talking and we have all seen that behavior before. Bush ran on a no war platform but if people had checked his voting past they would have seen his double speak and standard ---

    But, he can't name ONE SINGLE THING that qualifies him to be president. Nor can he, or anyone here, name a single significant accomplishment by obama boy. TDF!!!(*)---
    Posted by: royal king at January 5, 2008 1:45 PM

    RK, spend some time reading, get back to me when you learn something:

    http://www.barackobama.com/issues/

    http://factcheck.barackobama.com/

    "Thankfully the surge is working, but this does not fit the Dems anti-war narrative."

    But, for any and all TRUE anti-war Americans (and I'm NOT talking about either Dems or Reps here), whether the "surge is working" is not the issue, and never was. This is only important to the 'johnny come lately fence sitters.

    For example, I was personally against invading Iraq from day 1. So was Obama, and I THINK, so was Olbermann. Clinton was not. Edwards was not. Edwards has at least acknowledged his mistake...Clinton has not.

    A true anti-war patriot has understood from day one it is not our place to try to remake the world in our image using military force, and that ultimately and historically, ..... it will NOT work.

    It may take ten years to successfully calm Iraq down into a relatively peaceful and livable place, if we can do it at all, .... but it can all be lost in a single day.

    Witness Iran in 1979. Everything we did to arm and support it's government were lost virtually overnight. In fact, the whole endeavor ended up backfiring, and we are still paying the price for that today.

    We cannot control the world.....and we continue to try at our own peril.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22505399/

    I just got a hold of this post-debate transcript to see if Keith's spin on the Democratic numbers was as bad as people have said. Here's one relevant excerpt:
    "Senator Obama about to speak in Des Moines, within a few minutes, projected to handily win the Democratic field, though subtract those 20 percent independent voters, it’s Obama 32, Clinton 31. Senators Clinton and Edwards still fighting it out officially for second place.

    In the last hour, Senator Clinton acknowledging turnout in a good way, even though it appears the high turnout was not kind to her." (Then moved on the Republicans' numbers)

    Now, Keith obviously said Obama was the winner and then went on to break down the numbers as everyone else in the broadcasting world does, this time pointing out how Independents affected the Democrat vote.

    And about turnout not being "kind" to her, remember that the so-called "experts" said a low turnout in Iowa would benefit Edwards while a HIGH turnout would benefit Obama and Hillary. Obviously, that wasn't the case for her as Iowa voters rejected the Democratic "establishment" candidate.

    Also, it's pretty comical that OlbyWatch posts angry DailyKos commentors here and apparently doesn't realize they are pro-Obama or at the very least anti-Hillary and inaccurate about Keith; for instance, one person said Keith doesn't interview democratic candidates on Countdown other than Hillary. Anyone who says that doesn't really watch Countdown all that much, as Keith has intervieed everyone from Chris Dodd, Joe Biden and John Edwards this election season.
    Having said that, Keith's non-confrontational interview style is pretty weak, I'll give Olby critics that much.

    Also, Keith did screw up a couple of times Thursday night (with Gravel being the only major gaffe), but if you study any broadcaster closely enough, you'll find plenty of flaws to write about.

    Read the transcript above and look at what he said objectively, that is if you can get your anti-Olbermann brains to actually do so.

    Chris Matthews was the most unobjective and unwatchable one on the panel, not Keith. At times, he didn't even make any sense. At one point, he said:
    "From the beginning of this year in the polling we’ve noticed that Hillary has been ahead of Obama all year. So she can’t claim to be somehow a comeback kid or someone who, you know, somehow never had a chance. She had a big chance in Iowa and she’s lucky to get second."

    What? Her campaign at one point advised Hillary to drop out of Iowa and focus on other primary states. She was doing so bad in Iowa that she had to get Bill Clinton more involved in her campaign! And of course, Hillary finished THIRD, not SECOND.

    You want to look for obvious bias? Matthews's sexist and anti-Hillary rants over the last year or so speak for themselves. I mean, he called her "Dukakis in a dress" for instance. I could go on and on, but enough whining about media bias. You can find it anywhere you want to look for it.

    you maybe right chuck, seems most rejected MS-NBC for political coverage of Iowa. Between Matthews Clinton bashing and Olbermann's Clinton bias, they took a beating in the ratings.

    http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2008/01/05/thursdays-numbers-72/

    From TVnewser:

    Cable's Caucus Ratings
    A split decision last night for FNC & CNN during caucus coverage. Fox News takes the total viewer crown in prime time (8pm-11pmET) and CNN takes the demo (Live +SD). I'll have the full scoreboard tomorrow.

    Network Total Viewers A25-54
    CNN 2,201,000 894,000
    FNC 2,468,000 805,000
    MSNBC 1,307,000 584,000
    _______

    Those are pretty shitty numbers for MSNBC

    oh boy, here we go, Bill Clinton blames the media...again:

    "Bill Clinton voiced his abiding anger at the media's coverage of him and his wife in Durham, N.H., today, and suggested that media bias will force Clinton to go negative on Barack Obama."

    http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Bills_reason_to_go_negative_media_bias.html

    Poster at 3:53pm: You're mostly right, though Romney and Clinton talk about change strictly in Washington, as opposed to other candidates like Obama who talk about wanting to change the culture of politics in America, specifically pointing out 1990s politics and how he doesn't want to live through that again (meaning no more Clinton). We'll see if that works in the long run but so far people are starting to buy into it.

    And about Romney, (shameless self promotion), I totally agree, as you can read here at: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/01/04/164729.php and at here: http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/01/05/132031.php.

    Posted by: RK, you can be really annoying sometimes at January 5, 2008 2:00 PM


    patsy/why, step away from the water buckets!

    Posted by: RK, you can be really annoying sometimes at January 5, 2008 2:00 PM


    Thanks for posting those worthless links. Not a single accomplishment listed. Just views. Here's the dope on obama boy.

    1. Barack Obama has missed 166 votes (37.6%) during the current Congress.

    2. Barack Obama has voted with a majority of his Democratic colleagues 96.4% of the time during the current Congress. This percentage does not include votes in which Obama did not vote.

    3. Feingold Amdt. No. 3875; To provide for the safe redeployment of United States troops from Iraq. Not Voting

    4. Craig Amdt. No. 3640; To prohibit the involuntary acquisition of farmland and grazing land by Federal, State, and local governments for parks, open space, or similar purposes. Not Voting

    5. Vote 284: H R 1: This amendment to the Homeland Security Act of 2002 was made in order to implement the recommendations made by the 9/11 commission. Different versions of the bill were passed in the House on Jan. 9 and in the Senate on July 9. A modified version of the bill, with conference report changes, was revisited on July 27 and passed by a vote of 85-8. The bill requires the inspection of all cargo traveling on passenger aircrafts and establishes the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board. This panel, suggested by the 9/11 commission, is responsible for advising the president and senior White House officials maintaining respect for privacy laws and civil liberties. Not Voting

    6. Vote 147: H R 1591:
    House and Senate conferees approved this legislation providing $124.2 billion primarily for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and setting benchmarks and a timetable for the withdrawal of troops from Iraq, but President Bush vetoed the bill on May 1.Yes!

    7. Vote 181: S 2766: This amendment to the annual defense appropriations bill would have set a firm deadline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq. No

    8. Vote 44: S 256: Made it harder for people to erase debt by declaring bankruptcy. No

    9. Vote 9: S 5: Sought to curtail the ability of plaintiffs to file class-action lawsuits against corporations by making cases that were filed in multiple states the responsibility of federal courts. Yes

    10. Porno in schools. Yes

    Posting hard facts are 'gunning him down?' Too funny.

    patsy, put your teeth back in, stop screaming, it says patsy/why.

    Thank$ Pat$y !

    Grammie

    Jeff, I am not the one touting Obama.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 5, 2008 10:49 PM

    >>>>
    Obama is the Republicans worst nightmare. Primarily, he is not a Clinton, so all the old slime the Republicans have planned on is rendered useless. Secondly, he is articulate, intelligent and likable.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 5, 2008 10:57 PM


    Within 10 minutes. I would say it's unbelievable, but, it's not.


    Just think, philby. Those 2 posts will be there together forever. Think before you post, in the future.

    I wonder how many of you Obie-haters actually bothered to watch Iowa. I watched it and I watch Olbermann every night. There is no anti-Obama or pro-Hillary slant. Pro-Democrat you could maybe claim, but that's actually just his anti-political criminal, anti-war mongers slant, so, of course, it LOOKS Democratic.

    Remember what you told me ANONYMOUS?

    You cannot argue with someone too dense to understand nuance OR someone who believes that as long as he gets in the last word and the most posts, .... he wins!

    Jeff, I am not the one touting Obama.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 5, 2008 10:49 PM

    >>>>
    Obama is the Republicans worst nightmare. Primarily, he is not a Clinton, so all the old slime the Republicans have planned on is rendered useless. Secondly, he is articulate, intelligent and likable.

    Posted by: A N O N Y M O U S at January 5, 2008 10:57 PM

    Chronological order is the correct way to post them. I am a stickler for accuracy...

    I love it! Kos Kids finally turn on Herr Obergrupfuehrer Olbermann! BWAHAHAHAAAA!

    I don't know why they're surprised. I remember Olby interviewing Bill after some fundraiser Bill spoke at. Olby said in awed tones it was "transcendent"! Bill just smiled and lapped it up. Then Olby almost humbly and abjectly handed him a check. I swear I thought Olby was going to do a Monica on Bill!

    So the Kos Kids shouldn't be surprised. Morons.

    Presidential elections are about individuals. The Post article seems to ignore the fact that the general election, although greatly influenced by "partisanship" also comes down much to independents voting their sense of the people nominated.

    If Obama is able to continue a high road campaign through the summer and win the democratic nomination without interparty negativity on his part to attain the nomination....picks a good VP, he may indeed make November mute....but there is a lot of time yet.....

    And if the Republican nominee is just as "high road," with the same interparty dynamic through the summer and comes out of the convention with a good VP pick and similar popularity ratings to Obama, the general election will be close.....again....The only candidate that seems to meet this high mark is McCain.

    So, if it is McCain and Obama with easy remaining interparty interactions....look for another 2000 and 2004 close race.....If there is interparty rancor and either candidate's popularity ratings fall with negative campaigning....along with a viable third party play....either candidate may gain an advantage....

    Also, don't forget the war.....also don't forget about one simple unknown.....a new crisis....

    and the candidates' reaction to it.

    That is why I make no predictions....the nominations and the general election is still very much up in the air.

    Although, HRC's chances continue to decline...thank goodness.....and the adulterous sodomite is talking through his you know what.....

    "She's the best candidate for president I've ever had the chance to vote for in my life."

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/05/AR2008010502707_pf.html


    ###
    Ok....let me make sure I understand The former President....

    He was eligible to vote in 1964.....Hillary Clinton is a better candidate for him to be president than was....

    LBJ
    Robert Kennedy
    Eugene McCarthy
    Hubert Humphrey
    George McGovern
    Henry Jackson
    Jimmy Carter
    John Glenn
    Gary Hart
    Walter Mondale

    Really?....What did Mr. Clinton think about these men if he actually believes what he said?.....

    Well....he's lied before.....I guess one more doosey to spare his wife's feelings can be overlooked.....

    The Clinton legacy is GOING DOWN IN FLAMES....BYE BYE!


    silly me.....moot for mute.....what can I say.....Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE theme) gets me running scared.....(sarcasm)

    Now it is the "Bill Clinton" legacy....not the Clinton legacy....

    This is what makes me laugh about partisans who look back at The Clinton presidency and easily dismiss ciriticism or the fact that although popular in OPINION polls post administration, he never garnered more than a plurality in national popular support when it came to an election.

    If the Clinton legacy was so strong and positive, HRC would have won Iowa...She has been running as a Clinton taking credit for the positives, as many see them, during the 1990's....This has not been successful even with Democractic Party voters who love her husband....The "legacy" strength seemes to be overstated when relaity is applied.

    Popularity polls are one thing....voting in primaries, caucuses and general elections seems to show some weakness in the Clinton legacy....whether you call it that or The Bill Clinton Legacy....

    and as one who never bought into the hype....I enjoy the vindication.....

    We'll shall see if Drudge has something here....

    http://www.drudgereport.com/flashhn.htm

    I believe you, Daddy FLUCKER. However, as the general election season goes on with world events, news from Iraq and facing a Republican candidate that is well financed, Obama will run the test and people will make their choice.

    The Clinton legacy has shown no ability to help and my point is that says something about the power and quality of said legacy.

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