Keith owned both McCain and O Reilly tonight.. be-a-u-tiful work Keith.

HISTORICAL KEITH NUMBERS:

12/13/2007

Clinton 100%
Obama 0%
Undecided 0%

12/14/2007 FOLLOWING Kos Daily’s bitch slap of Keithy

Clinton 0%
Obama 100%
Undecided 0%

Analysis: OlberLimp is a pussy with no convictions.

How many times now has Keith expressed concern that "Bill-O" still has a job? It kind've makes you wonder if the ONLY reason he keeps doing baseless O'Reilly stories is to get him to lose his.

Loathsome hack.

If Krazy Keith had half a brain he would see that the NYT sat on this for a few months while they, themselves pumped McCain up till Romney dropped out. Now that the nomination is all but assured it is time ti hit McCain. Also note there is NO evidence in the story and she denies it too.

Keith spread an unfounded rumor about John McCain, and bashed Bill O'Reilly for saying a word that Keith himself has used on his show. Left wing water carrying? Check. Hypocrisy? Check. Another day at the office for Keith Olbermann.

Olbermann quit his job last time a sex scandal hit. So when can we expect his resignation or hear him express disgust for this "scandal"? Oh right, that only counts if it involves Democrats.

Well he didn't want Chris Matthews telling everyone what he thought of the allegations.

So no WPITW award for the MSNBC employee who use Bin Ladens pic on a Hardball story about Obama?..I thought KO made a pledge that he would hold his network to the same standards he would hold for FOX and others.

As for calling O'reilly a racist lets list KO's own offenses again shall we?....

Uses the Nazi salute..
Calls a Jewish man a "Monkey"..
Calls an Hispanic man a "Waterboy"..
Make a "Waffles and Chicken" "joke"about a Black man..
Makes fun of an Asian woman's sir name..
Makes a "“Guacamole” " joke about another Hispanic man..

And plus his long list of sexist remarks about Women..and Ko still has a job..while his little buddy Shuster is still in "Time out".

Well, well, well, surprise, surprise, the leftwing hate machine of the New York Slimes and Keith Olbergoebbels "swift boat" REAL war hero John McCain. With zero proof and zero evidence they use a tabloid smear to attack McCain. McCain has now been taught the lesson of the coyote and the scorpion. McCain went out of his way to step on fellow republicans to please the New York Slimes and look what he got a left wing knife in the back. You could see this coming a mile away. You see, McCain, you are not dealing with honest people. You are dealing with National Socialist monsters that will do anything for power. This is the tip of the iceberg.

Does Keith think we are stupid?

He claims John McCain's enemies to the extreme right will go after McCain on this story, report it, talk about it and use it against him.

All the while, Keith is doing the same he is accusing the enemies on the right might do.

As of right now the story doesn't seem to have legs, which why Fox News and CNN didn't give it a show like MSNBC did.

Keith knows Obama and Huckabee won't even touch this story, they are to smart.
Keith just brings it up to keep the story on the air as much as possible.

And how dumb can Keith be to link this story with the Clinton's sex scandal?
Somehow I have a feeling Keith loves this John McCain story.

Lets get real here, the extreme right won't use this story against McCain, the extreme left like Keith will and did, tonight.
He has been criticizing McCain for weeks now, any little thing he can get on McCain he will stretch and try to sway his viewers against him.
Report the news and let the viewers decide Keith, it's better that way.

So Keith has said many times nobody should listen to Pres Bush because he is incompetent, liar, fascist, etc...
But yet is disappointed in Bill O'Reilly when he doesn't listen to Bush about using the word lynching. You can't have it both ways Keith, do you want us to listen to Bush or not!!??

What Bill O'Reilly said was insensitive and he should apologize, but Keith is not the right person to bring it to our attention. It's like Jose Canseco complaining about baseball players using steroids.

Time out Keith!! Why such a cruel and viscous attack on Edie Hill? She just messed up on a story.
Did Keith have to call for her to quit? Edie was just reporting what Obama's wife said.
Edie probably thought the story was a non-issue and glossed over it.
But for Keith to say about her "go into some line of work for which you might be suited, like calling the arrivals and departure at a bus station."

Come on, that was way out of line. Is media matters going to get involved here?
Keith should be fired for those vile insults.

Joe.. thanks for the laugh

hmm--what did fat ass miss tonight while he was on his no doubt kos kids sanctioned hit job on team Mc Cain ?( btw--speaking of McCain---gee Senator--how fast did your friends at the Times shove a shive in your back noiw that you are the GOP go to guy? Go on Senator--run right out and tell us conservatives that we have to be more bipartisan and embrace your pals at the Gray Lady).

#1-The Great Ronald Reagan's SDI dream takes a a major step fpward with the US NAVY shoot down of a satalite. Hmmm--will fat ass mentionthis ?Of course not--his boy crush pals at the daily kosacks would throw a fit--and fat ass would sooner slit his over stuffed throat then go against those putzes.Soo-you say the another fat ass--Teddy Kennedy would be the WPIW--you know saying Reagan was inept--and SDI was mere "Star Wars " hokom--but you would be wrong.In fact if I had to guess fat ass will make Reagan wpiw on the very next of his low rated show.
2-Mrs.Obama runs down her nation saying she has had zero pride in her nation for the past 28 yrs.Knowing hiow much fat ass and his kos kiddie loving ilk hate the USA--my bet is old lady Obama gets Best person in the world for saying what fat ass proved every night of his low rated show.
3.--hmmm--lets see--fat ass make Fox news wpiw for showing a picture of Osama Bin Ladin while talking about Senator Obama---then just the otherday---MS-nbc'S VERY OWN cHRIS mATHEWS HAS TO ISSUE AN ALPOLGY for doing the very same thing fat ass attack Fox for.So surely fat ass would name Mathews WPIW---for doing the exact thing Fat ass called out Fox for?Are you for real--this is fat ass we are talking about---you know the fat boy who was busy collecting baseball cards as a youth--while normal kids were out playing baseball---palying--talking to girls--girls their own age--( yup--fat ass has a deadly fear of that--hence his groupie trysts in seedy hotel rooms with the Ms. Karmas of the world--and his current female moomy replacement--20 yrs his jr)--you know--normakl activioties of well adjusted hetro malrs---and everything fat ass is not.Fat ass----can yopu imagine what a putz he is----baseball cards---is he f"ing joking?
What did fat ass spend his show on?Why a hit peice by McCain's pals at the NYT--all unnamed sources--and about a ten yr old story.Yup that's our fat ass --

sorry for the misspells---used my blackberry
billy

Joe.. thanks for the laugh

Posted by: Bill O'lielly at February 21, 2008 12:08 AM

Good thing you're not olbermahns lawyer!

I thought KO made a pledge that he would hold his network to the same standards he would hold for FOX and others.

posted by mlong

Not only is the orange faced hack a bald faced liar, he is one of the biggest hypocrites to ever sit in front of a camera. Is he really that stupid? One wonders.

Why doesn't Olbermann get upset about this comment:

Ahmadinejad: Israel is a 'Filthy Bacteria'

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1203343707673&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

Oops I forgot, Keith is Pro-Iran and is anti-Semitic.
Hey Leftist Keith supporters care to discuss why Olbermann is silent on this real racial insult?

Did Fox put up a pic of UBL when the conversation was about B Obama?

I don't remember that happening. I remember a Senator and minor things such as that but not a huge gaffe as CM made.

Grammie

Joe.. thanks for the laugh

Posted by: Bill O'lielly

thanks for the laugh?
Is that all you have? You're not going to disagree with any of my points?

Wow, you are weak.

Gramie,
I'm Also Trajan75 from Konservo's site. I Explained to him my theory, one I have posted here that Olbermann is an Iranian stooge. Ahmadinejad called Israel "bacteria" and Olbermann said nothing!

Gramie,
That was me above. Also will Olbermann report this out of Iraq?

Baghdad-Basra train helps stitch up Iraq's wounds

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSL1957555020080221?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

Ah, the desperation of the GOP, laid bare for all to see. This site is *hilarious*, as ever.

You guys are going to get so solidly crushed in November. Have you checked your turnout numbers yet?

Maybe you should.

By the way, unquestioningly thinking this country is the greatest thing ever is *not* patriotism.

You see, a Conservatives love for America is very much like a three-year-olds love for it's mommie. Anybody who points out anything wrong with mommie is *evil*. Mommie can't do anything wrong, see?

I wonder where an educated black woman who's as prima facia impressive as Michelle Obama might have ever seen a side of this country that's just shameful?

She could point out the pathetic right-wing rhetoric here as a case-in-point.

He will when pigs fly, Rodan.

Thanks for letting me know. I'm so glad I found your post and copied it here. That was startling to say the least.

Grammie

I just can't help myself; where did you conservatives get the idea that you have any credibility left?

Just curious.

Thanks, new gal!

Joe.. thanks for the laugh

Posted by: Bill O'lielly

thanks for the laugh?
Is that all you have? You're not going to disagree with any of my points?

Wow, you are weak.

Posted by: joe at February 21, 2008 12:51 AM

joe, these loons know they can't defend olbermahn so they just divert. 1:14 is a prime example and a common offender of playing the divert card.

"Also will Olbermann report this out of Iraq?"

You should get together with Hag-zilla, Bovine and Butt Face to do a mind-melting, then tell us all if tomorrow Keith will order guacamole with his nachos.

broadsword,
Why not answer my question. Why doesn't Olbermann condemn Ahmadinejad calling Israel bacteria?
Answer please?

Grammie,
Robert can tell ya I called out Sanjay. I said he was a Jihadist and I was right. I wish someone would investigate Olbermann's Iran links. He always defends that regime.
He calls Bush a Fascist, but stays silent on real Fascists.
Olby's bussy Lawrence O'Donnel admitted the Left doesn't critize Islamists because they're scared.
Olbermann is either a coward or Pro-Iran.

i mean really, this thing with bill o is getting way out of hand. wtf is wrong with keith? And to think i really kinda liked the guy when he was on espn. They need to rename this MSN-BS

i mean really, this thing with bill o is getting way out of hand. wtf is wrong with keith? And to think i really kinda liked the guy when he was on espn. They need to rename this MSN-BS

joe, these loons know they can't defend olbermahn so they just divert. 1:14 is a prime example and a common offender of playing the divert card.

Posted by: olby sucks

Thank you OS.

I don't mind people disagreeing with my post. But at least do it in an intelligent way and respectful.

And how can Keith not get in trouble for disrespecting another news anchor's profession by saying "go into some line of work for which you might be suited, like calling the arrivals and departure at a bus station." is a shame statement on our society.

Hey Keith the lady made a mistake, calling for her head and saying she should resign and work and a bus station is completely disrespectful.

Who the hell is Keith to criticize anther news anchor, in such a personal way?
He's not a news anchor himself.

Remember this is the same man who made Suzy Kolber cry at ESPN, he hasn't changed.

Rodan,

You really want an answer? It's because he's not a real threat to us.

Are you stupid, or something?

Let him go with all the bloviating rhetoric he wants to, it's about placating factions in his own country and building popular support in the mid-east. I mean, do you people *really* not get that?

See, you conservatives always need something to hate, something to fear, or your politics are patently meaningless. Unless you factor in greed.

There are three kinds of lies:

1. Justification - lies you tell yourself.
2. Deception - lies you tell us.
3. Omission - the shit you fail to mention.

Now, where Iran is concerned, you've been really busy of late with all three:

1. Justification: You tell yourself that Iran is a major threat to us. They're not. They don't have ICBM's, they don't have hydrogen weapons, they don't do invasions. They simply sabre-rattle diplomatically, and fund low-level terror attacks with very political objectives. The people who get killed are kind of 'collateral damage' to them. You understand that concept, I'm sure. Conservatives are awfully good at justifying murder with the concept of 'collateral damage' when it suits their own purposes.

2. Deception: Take a fresh look at the latest National Intelligence Estimate. You'll find that the Iranians dismantled their weapons program in 2003. That's the official consensus opinion of our 16 different intelligence agencies, CIA, DIA, NSA, what have you. Now, that didn't stop this administration from lying through their teeth about it, about the nature and scope of the threat for the last year or so. And, to point 1, you bought it, because you're a bunch of self-deluded suckers. You know, the way you fully bought in to WMD's being in Iraq, remember?

3. Omission: Oh, there's some really great stuff here. Let's start with the fact that the United States of America has been covertly funding nuclear plant development IN IRAN for the last several years:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Download/26143/1/dobbs_iranian_nukes_020708.wmv

Wake up, buttercup. Your conservative philosophy is totally bankrupt, clearly built on lies and unleashed greed, and you're definitely gonna get *smoked* in the elections. You've been HAD, dumb-dumb.

I can't *wait* to see you people get thrown forcibly out of office.

And Rodan, there's no *way* that you're Jewish; you're clearly too fucking stupid to qualify.

More likely a nut-job conservative Christian that has some bizzare apocalyptic need for the US to defend Israel.

At home, someone who doesn't *actually* know a single Jew, but on this board, a *staunch* defender of Israel.

Is that about right?

Ah the radical left's representative here last night did a good job ignoring the anti-Semitism....hate speech is only important to people like broadsword if it has political impact favorable to their selfish political position....

Using the word "lynch" in any of its forms sends the radical left into crying spells currently, but the dehumanizing speech of the leader of millions of people is excusable and allowed to be ignored?

Another good example of the excusing of hatred of radical islamists while using race-baiting politics to further the domestic power plays of a leftist elite. The intellectual depth and political courage it takes to have such a position is just so impressive!

The fear only comes from the left, dear broadsword....Identifying true danger and hatred is prudent and responding to it rationally is logical.

The left is incapable of being rational in their emotionalism and demogoguery as best seen in the messianic rise of their current front-runner.

When Obama gets over 50% consistently in polling in support, I will be happy to bow to your optimism...but silly radical democrats acting like high school students in a primary, even in large numbers, does not concern me....The real American people have yet to pay attention to the race and when that begins to happen, I think predictions will be better supported....

All I can say is that moderates I know who voted for Clinton in 1992 and 1996, and voted for Gore in 2000, are liking McCain more and more as they get to know him, even today defending him from the "annonymous source" hit-piece in the left's propaganda rag (they are giving him the same benefit of the doubt they gave Clinton at first).....I am becoming guardingly optimistic that when people learn of Obama's radical leftist agenda, cooler heads will prevail and rational decisions on who is best to lead our country will be made.

For now, only the Kool-Aide drinkers think November is wrapped up.

Cee,

Obama stirrs up much from the collective unconscious of the loony left. He is their dream candidate, a perfect symbol of JFK/MLK/Elvis/Black Jesus. He is truly their Messiah.

Did you see the breaking story on NYTimes online....Aliens from the future meet with Obama to discuss his presidency!

Rico....On temperment and lack of vindictive, Obama is much better than HRC. HRC does have the better resume but it really doesn't matter because both are flawed in philosophy....So I'll take my chances with Obama and anticipate the continuing show of lack of depth and preparedness for the toughest job in the world. Hopefully cooler, more rational heads will prevail in the general election.

HRC would have been an easier candidate to beat in the general but her being on the ballot was just too risky....I am glad she is losing miserably despite the backing of the leftist power elite's support.

"John McCain Sex Scandal"... what a hoot. Olbermoronn hits a new tabloid low. "Breaking News"... yeah right, MSNBC, it (nothing) happened 10 years ago.

MSNBC felt it was necessary to cover this "breaking news" (slander) by interrupting their regular lies and inserting their leader (Uberdouche) to personally deliver the goods. What a tool.

Edward R. Murrow rolls in his grave (again).

broadsword,
I never claimed to be Jewish. I'm a Hispanic Catholic, however I have Israeli friends. Also I read history and my ancestoral Homeland (Spain) was invaded by the Jihadists and we had to fight them for 700 years. You're obviously ignorant and never read a history book that wasn't PC.
Iran is a threat and they have a Fascist regime. It amazes me how Leftists who claim to support Women Rights, Gay Rights and Animal rights support a regime that's against all this. Why do you Leftists love Iran?
Also your comment is very racist. You're implying that only Jews are smart. That's racist. I obviously touched a nerve and I am happy at your non-response full of childidh ststements and lies.
Hey if when McCain said Bomb bomb Iran, Olbermann threw a fit. Yet when the Left's hero Ahmadinejad called for Israel and America ton be wiped off the map or that Israel is bacteria he was silent. Olbermann is either a Jihad supporter or a coward. He's obsses with O'Reilly and loves the Ayatollahs!

Secular leftists like broadsword cannot help their ignorance and intollerance....They have been brainwashed by the leftist establishment and are incapable of thinking rationally and coming to a moral conclusion....as shown by his tolerance of hate speech directed at Jews or Christians.

The anger only comes when the anger can serve a particular purpose for political aims....This is the way of "morality" of the secular left...if one can even call it morality....The same with fear....manipulation of people to fulfill political goals is the only criteria for the use of such base human emotion and the action is excused....but if the object of the emotion is not a leftist constituency?.....one can see the outcome in broadsword's posts.....

It is best to ignore such bigoted trolls.

Cee,

It is a beautiful sight to see Hillary suffering . At campaign rallies she looks so uncomfortable. She is truly the female Richard Nixon. With the wicked witch gone, now we are left with two very poor candidates. McCain is an uninspiring speaker, and looks very, very old. And the Messiah's vapid inanities at some point will get old, even for the true believers.

Rico,
Hillary's meltdown is great!

As you know, Rico, we differ on McCain, but viva la difference...I too am happy about the Hillary meltdown because it is also damaging Bill Clinton's legacy....So many times on this blog, democrat party shills like Why Don't You Think and broadsword would inaccurately state that the popularity of "The Clinton era" was pervasive in the American public based on approval polls...This is obviously not true since that theory did not come to pass even in the leftist primary season.....Bill Clinton will not be remembered as a great legacy since even his wife could not bring back the good times (a lie) eight years later, running against a neophyte in his first term as US Senator.....

Also, the adulterous sodomite's behavior in the election has been horrible...the race baiting, losing his temper, etc....These pictures will be the final scene in the Clinton saga and I say it is most accurate of their true selves......

Power hungry, vindictive, racist and low class unpatriotic baby-boomers.....bye, bye!

As long as OlberLiar remains on MSNBC and NBC's Sunday Night Football, this household will never purchase another General Electric product nor any of the products that have advertised on their television stations. In addition, I will no longer tune-in to any of NBC's television shows on any of the networks they own - USA, Bravo, etc.

As long as OlberLiar remains on MSNBC and NBC's Sunday Night Football, this household will never purchase another General Electric product nor any of the products that have advertised on their television stations. In addition, I will no longer tune-in to any of NBC's television shows on any of the networks they own - USA, Bravo, etc.

NYTimes:
Boy trapped in refrigerator eats own foot

NYTimes:
Boy trapped in refrigerator eats own foot

NYTimes:
Clinton hires Voodoo priestess as advisor

MSNBC is reporting that the John McCain story is a non-issue.
And they have been reporting, analyzing, interviewing guest, cherry picking words, psychologizing that story and only that story since 6am.

I guess CNN and Fox News have it all wrong by reporting on a earth quake, a Satellite Shoot down, Obama's amazing campaign, the elections etc...

While they should be obsessing on the McCain story like the wonderful MSNBC
First Hilary Clinton and now John McCain, jee I wonder who will they try to take down next?

Did anyone else notice the ballsless one sneak in the phrase "We're going to try to... hrrrumph hrrrumph "flesh out" more info as soon as we can. Sorry, I had to put it that way, but it but it's gonna be said by other people as well".

Well, actually NO you f@cking MORON, so far you're the only one that put it in that light. You f@uckin d-dag, bet you're not hiding in the tub tonight. I wouldn't be surprised if you bumped both Tucker and Tweety Bird tonight so you can get a REALLY early start instead of just pre-empting Tweety's show over some left wing rag hit-job.

Disgraceful as usual olbyfag. At least you're consistent you left winged water-carrying toady. YOU SUCK!!!

Eddie b, why are you so laid back about this? I thought you would have at least some passion.

Grammie

Merriam Webster
lynch: to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal sanction.

I disagree that he used the incorrect word for the context of the topic. O'Reilly grew up in a different era than most posters here. Lynching in my vocabulary is not attached to blacks. When I hear the word I see (in my minds eye) a bunch of cowboys hanging a horse thief in the middle of nowhere without a trial. That is how he used the word. I cringed when he used it only because of politically correctness world we live in which is a new phenomenon that I disagree with. I watched the show and knew he was not saying it from a predjudiced point of view. I also knew that it would be fodder for a lynching party on him.
See how that works? The word works on his (BO) situation well and he is white.

Vince in AZ

Why do you attack Keith Olberman with such vigor? Is it because you no self-esteem whatsoever like all neo-fascist Republicans. Or because you have no facts expect the facts you pull out of your fat white butt? I know, it’s because you have a little tiny penis.

NYTimes:
Boy trapped in refrigerator eats own foot
Posted by: PoorBaby at February 21, 2008 11:30 AM

Excellent point, Poorbaby.

It's just astonishing that the NYT thing about McCain would rate Olbermann busting into Hardball to "report" it on MSNBC.

Goodness knows there's some irony in THAT particular choice of reporter...

Why do you attack Keith Olberman with such vigor? Is it because you no self-esteem whatsoever like all neo-fascist Republicans. Or because you have no facts expect the facts you pull out of your fat white butt? I know, it’s because you have a little tiny penis.
Posted by: at February 21, 2008 1:47 PM

No, sweety, it's because Olbermann is a jerk.

In what way is Olberman a jerk? He presents news with an objective appeal. How does that make him a jerk?

The righties are losing it and they have nothing left. Their arguments don’t hold up against the truth. This is why they attack those they disagree with.

You need to understand that those who don’t have facts always attack. Because this is all they know.

Besides, this site is sponsored by Fox News. It has no credibility.

In what way is Olberman a jerk? He presents news with an objective appeal. How does that make him a jerk?

The righties are losing it and they have nothing left. Their arguments don’t hold up against the truth. This is why they attack those they disagree with.

You need to understand that those who don’t have facts always attack. Because this is all they know.

Besides, this site is sponsored by Fox News. It has no credibility.

Posted by: at February 21, 2008 2:04 PM

Wouldn't "objective" mean allowing for rebuttal? You are aware that there's none on Countdown and Keith has admitted as much and excused it by saying the country is in "a state of emergency".

As for the site being sponsored by FNC, I bow to your deep regard for the facts. Let's see them.

I was forced to watch our favorite orange "Hero" last night as nothing else was on, and it had been a few hours since I had eaten anything, so the nausea accompanying watching the Meltdown wasn't an issue. I hadn't seen an "episode" of this "news" program for awhile. I saw that he went on and on and on and on about McCain for 37 minutes into his hour of spin, after Pat Buchanan told him after the first 15 minutes, You don't have a story here...."(paraphrasing). Then the obligatory O'reilly hits, musing about Bill getting fired(Pot-Kettle, you get it)and a final McCain stab at the end. Well enough Olbermann for another 3 or 4 weeks. Just depending on this site for video for the night he finally really loses it, and has a free ride to Bellevue....He was less orange last night than usual though....The "Breaking News" graphics at the bottom were way over the top. At first I thought it was another 9/11. Only in Olbyworld...........

There are opinions and there are facts.

You get a rebuttal to an opinion.

You don’t get a rebuttal to the facts. All you have then is a denial of the facts. That’s a waste of everyone’s time. Time you’ll never see again.

Is that clear enough for you?

Posted by: sheikyerbouti420 at February 21, 2008 2:16 PM

How long are do you think you'll be able to hold it together, Capon?

here are opinions and there are facts.

You get a rebuttal to an opinion.

You don’t get a rebuttal to the facts. All you have then is a denial of the facts. That’s a waste of everyone’s time. Time you’ll never see again.

Is that clear enough for you?
Posted by: at February 21, 2008 2:22 PM

It's been clear that all you're doing is trying to push buttons, but that was worth an exhibition for it's own sake. :D

You THAT bored? You hate political opposition THAT badly?

You don't agree Cecelia, but as I've set before, Keith Olbermann is a backlash that had to happen.

A backlash to what, you say?

1) - A backlash to an entire news network that was a shameless mouthpiece for an incompetent and divisive administrtion.

2) - A backlash to an administration that entered dangerous and destructive foreign policy adventures by presenting false and questionable information in order to justify them.

3) - A backlash to a dangerous national mood of misplaced patriotism brought on by a national tragedy.....combined with a yearning for revenge.....against whoever happened to look at us wrong.

4) - A backlash against high administration officials daring to suggest that anyone who criticizes their policies lacked patriotism. This was the subject matter of Keith's first "special comment" against Rumsfeld, if you'll remember.

5) - A backlash from those us us who became damned tired of being shouted down by a misguided majority on a misguided foreign adventure even though WE were the ones who were right all along.

6) - A backlash against what had become a weak and tepid mainstream media who allowed itself to be cowed by repeated cries of "liberal bias" to the point that it had lost most of it's effectiveness as a needed bullwark against radicalism from either extreme.

7) - A backlash resulting in excessive devisiveness from the left in order to try to couterbalance the sea of right wing media (mostly on the radio) that was (and still is) polluting our publicly owned airwaves.

Now the backlash is nationwide. That is exactly why Obama will be our next president.

You see, the harder you swing the pendulum in one direction.....the harder it will eventually swing back in the other direction.

Cecelia, how do you mean? Keep what together?

You see, the harder you swing the pendulum in one direction.....the harder it will eventually swing back in the other direction.
Posted by: Mike at February 21, 2008 2:34 PM

Mike, the thing I'm amused about is that you would characterize your position as an equal and opposite opposing extremist shift to what you consider to be as extremist point of origin in the first place.

As Olby Sucks has already implied, you're still blaming others, but you're getting there...

And knowing that swinging the pendulum hard in one direction means the pendulum will swing hard towards the oppositie direction means I was right all along that the requests for Bush's and Cheney's resignation, allegations of illegal activity, and possibility of impeachment of same....As well as the claims that the troops need to be withdrawn immedietly from Iraq is a RADICAL and little supported opinion.....

All opinions spouted by Olbermann over the past 3 years!....

All the above requests NEVER accomplished by the leftist power elite BECAUSE THE IDEAS ARE RADICAL AND NOT SUPPORTED BY THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNTRY....

And the same is true of Obama, Mike....He is pulling positive press coverage and little to no negative press while his evil rival, Clinton Co. is being thrown under the bus and now McCain is being skewered....

Obama has radical views, and like I challeneged broadsword, when he gets over 50% in national polls, I will bow to the optimism....For now his agenda has received no critical review and most voters are not even paying attention.

Cecelia,

Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone dealt with reality based facts, instead of what they think or want to believe?

Remember, everyone has an opinion. They’re like butt holes. Everyone has one and they all stick.

But truth based facts are always irrefutable.

1) - A backlash to an entire news network that was a shameless mouthpiece for an incompetent and divisive administrtion.

posted by mike

Just when I thought we were making progress you have to go and make a statement like this. Do you realize while you claim you're not a far leftist, the above comment is straight out of the far leftist talking point/book?

Oh, and get this straight; most conservatives are poor.

posted by new gal

All the while the libs cry for free health care, welfare, hate wal mart, hate oil co's that put the gas in their cars, want all drugs to legal, think it's ok for 12 yr olds to get abortions w/out parental consent, currently smearing McCain w/no evidence while defending Clinton who had a mountain of evidence against him..............unbelievable, simply unbelievable.

Liberal hypocrisy knows NO bounds!

I never claimed to be Jewish. I'm a Hispanic Catholic, however I have Israeli friends. Also I read history and my ancestoral Homeland (Spain) was invaded by the Jihadists and we had to fight them for 700 years. You're obviously ignorant and never read a history book that wasn't PC.
Iran is a threat and they have a Fascist regime. It amazes me how Leftists who claim to support Women Rights, Gay Rights and Animal rights support a regime that's against all this. Why do you Leftists love Iran?
Also your comment is very racist. You're implying that only Jews are smart. That's racist. I obviously touched a nerve and I am happy at your non-response full of childidh ststements and lies.
Hey if when McCain said Bomb bomb Iran, Olbermann threw a fit. Yet when the Left's hero Ahmadinejad called for Israel and America ton be wiped off the map or that Israel is bacteria he was silent. Olbermann is either a Jihad supporter or a coward. He's obsses with O'Reilly and loves the Ayatollahs!

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1. You don't understand what the word 'Fascism' means. Classically, it's the confluence of state and corporate interests. In Iran, what you're thinking of is called 'caliphism', or the confluence of the clergy and the state. "Theocracy" would also be an adequate description.

2. Iranians are PERSIANS, not Moors. They never invaded Spain.

Maybe you should crack open that history book of yours again.

3. "You're implying that only Jews are smart." No, I implied that you were too stupid to be one. Get a grip, and realize that Christians call us 'The Chosen People' for a reason.

4. We don't love Iran, we just hate starting stupid wars, unlike you. Get it? You're overstating the nature of the threat, yet again. Maybe you should watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wE58Y2LETAs&feature=related

You might learn something.

Cecelia,

Wouldn’t it be nice if everyone dealt with reality based facts, instead of what they think or want to believe?

Remember, everyone has an opinion. They’re like butt holes. Everyone has one and they all stick.

But truth based facts are always irrefutable.

Posted by: the messenger at February 21, 2008 3:13 PM

I don't know how journalism or more broadly academia, ever got that silly concept of equal time or rebuttal in the first place. Especially as concerns ideology, politics, issues or ideals.

Best just to decide you have the Tablets of Stone and then just classify all dissent as an exercise in heresy...

Hallelujah...

Keep bleating, little sheep.

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Posted by: broadsword at February 21, 2008 3:31 PM

Oh, how cute! WDYT is arguing with himself!

Does anyone else hear an annoying sound like a gnat buzzing in their ear?.....

Anyone?

Anyone?

Ah, the one known as broadsword is back. One of my favorite little lambs spreading his hate towards his country and to all Christians!

My son you have served me well with your hate filled tirades against your country, and towards its majority Christian populance, but how will you explain away a Christian president once again no matter which party wins?

We'll have to work on that, and I'm sure you'll have an answer for that too, along the lines of how you explain away any American who is for their country.

Traitors and cowards like you have served me well through the years, and thank Allah for your kind. Of course with you being a Jew your help will only be useful until I have sucessfully launched another attack on the country you hate so much, and then I'll unfortunately have to dispose of you.

But, for the present keep up the good work tearing down your country, and hating all those who are proud of it, (less Obama's wife of course...Praise Allah for an Obama victory!) as your love of treason goes beyond anything I could ever dream of!

Allah be praised for you and your kind! I couldn't ask for more!

Akuba!!! Ayeeee!!!!

I guess that's what passes for wit in Republican circles.

Keep bleating, little sheep.

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Posted by: broadsword at February 21, 2008 3:31 PM

Oh, how cute! WDYT is arguing with himself!

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Wait a sec.....broadsword is just another name for my favorite hypocritical leftist simpleton, Professor Honeydew?.....Really now....I thought the democrat party shill was done changing his posting name....

I understand why "WDYT" would change his name so often....being so wrong and having to change his opinion based on the silliness his leftist political elite chooses to do day to day.

"Really. A mountain of evidence? You mean that $50 million dollar federal inquiry that yielded no criminal prosecutions? I remember that, too."

How soon new gal forgets the blue dress and the multiple lies from BJ.

How ironic that wesleyClark was on Fox News (#1) earlier downplaying the Kosovo riots.

Let the smear merchant march on!

Tonight at 8pm ET we'll have all the latest on the McCain scandal (though he would disagree with that description) including reaction from his fellow presidential candidates, fallout from the Limbaugh-lead McCain detractors on the right, and much much more.

orangy

Looks like the spin is on. No one has challenged any of the facts in the times story.

There are no 'facts.' Plain and simple, asswipe.

Even blowing his nose, Obama gets applause
by John McCormick

DALLAS – It's probably safe to say that you have arrived as a politician when your audience applauds when you blow your nose.

Yes, just a day before a debate in Texas, Sen. Barack Obama has a head cold.

And about a half-hour into a speech here, the Illinois Democrat announced that he had to take a quick break. "Gotta blow my nose here for a second," Obama said.

Out came a Kleenex (or perhaps it was a hankie), and he wiped his nose.

The near-capacity audience at the Reunion Arena, which his campaign said totaled 17,000, broke out in a slightly awkward applause.

broadsword,
You do support Iran. Iran called Israel Bacteria, if your Jewish then your a traitor.
You're also racist. You hate Christians and believe we are inferior.
You're a bigot.
Leave America if us Christians bother you!

The New York Times — the newspaper that gave MoveOn.org a sweetheart deal to run advertisements attacking General Petraeus — has shown once again that it cannot exercise good journalistic judgment when it comes to dealing with a conservative Republican. We better get ready for more of the Democrats' attacks over the coming months as the Democrats pick their nominee, MoveOn.org starts spending their unlimited soft money, and the liberal media tosses standards aside in an attempt to stop our momentum. We need your help to counteract the liberal establishment and fight back against the New York Times by making an immediate contribution today.

John McCain has a 24-year record of serving our country with honor and integrity. He has led the charge to limit the money and influence of the special interests in politics and stomp out corruption. His life and his record prove just how preposterous the smear by the New York Times really is.

Objective observers are viewing this article exactly as they should — [as a sleazy smear attack from a liberal newspaper against the conservative Republican frontrunner.]

http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0208/McCain_raising_money_off_NYT_story.html

Is the the same McCain who cheated on his handicapped wife when he got back from Vietnam to shack up with a rich gal who could help get him into office? Is this the same Right leaning New York Times that gave the far right Lunatic Bill Krystall a forum? Yip the one and same.

Tough luck little moron. :)

You people are such obvious tools. First, John McCain has proudly served this country since he entered the Naval Academy at Annapolis....in 1954.

That means he's proudly served this country for....wait for it...58 years. Now, because his campaign doesn't want you to ever ponder the idea that he's as old as Methuselah, they put out that 24 year talking point (I guess because he went in to the senate in '87 or so). And because you're hapless suckers, you parrot the talking point.

BRAWWWW, BRAWWWW, '24 years' BRAWWWWW.

(that's you as a parrot)

6:45/hack, keep defending bj while smearing McCain. Couldn't be more obvious.

Thanks, new gal!

No one has challenged any of the facts in the times story.

Posted by: olby rules at February 21, 2008 6:20 PM

Patiently waiting for some of these "facts" from cowy..........

"You do support Iran. Iran called Israel Bacteria, if your Jewish then your a traitor."

Wow, she *knows* I'm a patriot, you loser.

"You're also racist. You hate Christians and believe we are inferior."

Christianity isn't a race, stupid. It's a religion. So's Judaism.

"You're a bigot."

I prefer to quote Woody Allen:

Q: Why are Jews so neurotic?

A: We've witnessed 20 centuries of 'Christian Love' and all that entails.

"Leave America if us Christians bother you!"

Unlikely. I'm going to stay for the time being and work to throw the GOP out of office. And there's not a *thing* you can do about it.

Tim Russert basically pooh-poohed the McCain story tonight on Nightly. Unfortunately for the libnut Times, their latest partisan stunt has backfired and blown up in their faces.

The Times and their slander prompted Rush to defend McCain today. Thanks for unifying the GOP, NYT. These moonbats never learn. I find it amusing.

I just keep writing the facts, then you try to wiggle out of it like always. Nice try, loser.

Olby rules, what facts? Unfounded insinuations that are not backed by credible evidence do not constitute facts; they are rumors and innuendo. The NYT never let facts get in the way of a story.

broadsword ,
Most Democrats are Christian. So either way we Christians run the show. Also Christians are Israel's biggest supporters. More so than you Leftist Fake Jews who support Iran/Syria/Hamas/Hizballah/Al-Qaeda.
You're a shame to your people and It's no wonder Israelis hate your kind of Lox and Bagel Jews. They have no respect for traitors like you.
Go live with your Iranian buddies and leave America bigotted traitor!

I just keep writing the facts,

Posted by: olby rules. at February 21, 2008 7:22 PM

Please, point to one fact you have "written." I patiently await.

olby rules must be busy lubing herself up for the continuing saga of the McCain smear campaign. Her hero is pulling up the rear tonight on his comedy show. I'll let you slide on posting your "facts" because I know you have none. One thing is for sure, you are very consistent in that area.

Tony Snow is on The Factor. He looks great and I hope he feels great as well.

It's unanimous. The attempted smear campaign led by the old york slimes and pulled up in the rear by keefy will actually HELP McCain. Thanks, Keith! On another note, O'Reilly just referred to him as "that other guy." That's rich.....

BOR just took on TWO moron Democrat strategists consultant chicks...

And demolished them when they could only talk about McCain being controlled by some lobbyist or something.

Can the Democrats ever get serious about anything?

How in the fuck did Barry get to where he is? Can they explain that to anybody without spouting some shit about change?

Just stupid.

The thing I like about olbywatch is how well you site your sources. the olbermorons could stand to take a leaf from r. cox's book.

Hahahahahaha! This is so awesome. It COULD NOT BE more blatant what the NYT was up to the last few months, endorsing McCain while sitting on this story, waiting for the right moment to break it, when all other viable candidates are out.

Very smart and very nauseating.

As for the leftist-shills who like to troll here... they are like cats. You know, when you rub a cat's belly and it freaks out because it feels so good it doesn't know how to process the information?

That's the left for you. Anything they can't understand (Patriotism, American Exceptionalism) or rightfully defend (baseless smear campaigns, surrender policies and appeasement tactics in the ME) they simply lash out with their oh so witty and condescending barbs.

They JUST DON'T GET that most of us on the right, or in the center, like me, just want to be left alone.

John Gibson layed out the whole timeline today on his show. The times set him up just so they could knock him down. Too bad the smear is back firing, big time!

This is why the Media was pushing McCain all along. They wanted him to win the nomination so they could easily smear him. I hope this is a wake up call to McCain that these people are not his friends. They only used him to attack his own party. They don't care that he was a war hero; in fact they hate him for that.

CNSNews.com) - Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) was named "Porker of the Year" for 2007 on Wednesday by the taxpayer watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW).
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200802/NAT20080221a.html

Wonder if Keith will bring this up about the most ethical congress in history.

Factor, murtha the traitor has a (d) after his name. Orangy won't touch it with a ten foot pole. Now, if he had an (R) after his name, it would be time for a special spew!

Keith,

I pray that you will put my comment out there for everyone to read.

BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT!

Interesting that nothing of any significance happened today and MSNBC's "news hour of record" had to resort to an hour of unsubstantiated rumor-mongering and regurgitated bile.

Why do Liberal men wear thong underpants in front of children? Woody Allen is guilty of this, also.

Enter @ 11:29 PM: "They JUST DON'T GET that most of us on the right, or in the center, like me, just want to be left alone."

So who is it that won't leave you alone?

BTW, a simpler word for "American Exceptionalism" would be "arrogance". It certainly has nothing to do with patriotism.

I never understood or appreciated arrogance. That was the main reason I had trouble understanding Dale Earnhart fans.

Enter @ 11:29 PM: Or rightfully defend (like baseless smear campaigns, surrender policies, and appeasement tactics in the ME) they just lash out with their oh so witty and condescending barbs."

By "baseless smear campaigns", you mean ones like "Swift Boat"?

But don't get me wrong. I believe the NYT was wrong to publish that story with no more than they have. It will end up hurting them far more than it will John McCain.

BTW, since you also used the demeaning and incorrectly applied right wing talking point of "surrender policies" in your post, have you ever looked up the meaning of the word "surrender" in the dictionary?

I know this is off topic but have guys seen what on the Michael Moore web site lately. Here a link http://www.michaelmoore.com/

What next week a picture of Hugo Chavez.

Mike,

"American Exceptionalism" means that we are the most powerful and important nation in the world, and, therefore, have unique responsibilities. Do you deny that this is so?

They JUST DON'T GET that most of us on the right, or in the center, like me, just want to be left alone.

Posted by: Ender at February 21, 2008 11:29 PM

I love how the right wing loons insist they're in the center.
If this place represents the center I shudder to think who represents the right. Talk about backwoods hicks...

I love how the right wing loons insist they're in the center.
If this place represents the center I shudder to think who represents the right. Talk about backwoods hicks...

Posted by: at February 22, 2008 10:04 AM

I LOVE how you claim to be so open minded. Couldn't be further from the truth. Talk about left wing loon kos kiddies!

By "baseless smear campaigns", you mean ones like "Swift Boat"?

posted by mike

Newsflash! The Swifties had NAMED sources WITH documentation/facts! Hence, not a smear. The times have nothing. See the difference? Probably not.

"change you can Xerox."

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Wow!.....The last dying hit from the most pathetic of Presidential candidates....Hillary Rodham Clinton.....

I don't even think the silly adulterous sodomite can save her now!

The only thing that came out of last night's intellectually void democrat debate were platitudes and assurances of "everything is going to be alright." What a valuable use of people's time!

The democrat party is offering nothing substantive to the country.....And the fact that all the two could muster last night was compliments mixed with pathetic one liners once again showed the paucity of leadership.

What quality!

John Kerry: the only Swift Boat commander who received a Purple Heart for a self-inflicted wound -- plus the facts about all his Purple Hearts, ...

www.hebookservice.com/products/BookPage.asp?prod_cd=c6527 - 38k -

The "Swifties" are honorless pieces of partisan shit. I have no particular regard for Kerry, but that angle of attack was disgraceful and beneath contempt

Bob Dole, who publically jumped on the "purple band-aid" Kerry-smear bandwagon in 2004 describes in his own auto-biography a similar instance in which he blithly accepted a purple heart for a minor scratch recieved from his own mortar round in WWII.

What is it about the Republican party that drains honor and integrity from heroes like a wet/dry shop-vac?

Rodan,

You'll forgive me if I don't give a shit what you think of my status as a Jew.

"Fake Jew" - that's rich. Ever been to Israel, idiot? Speak any Hebrew, do you? Read any? You have, simply, no standing to make that judgment. Beyond your own hatred, that is.

There's a good reason for this, which belies your total lack of understanding about how Judaism works; we have *always* debated and discussed unpopular ideas within our own community. It's kind of the foundation of the religion, it's what keeps us strong (and alive).

You see, unlike Christians, we're not so married to liturgical dogma, and we don't go around doing inquisitions on our own people when we disagree with them. We discuss it.

As an ideologue, that concept is way beyond you, I think.

By the way, it seems to me that you're a piss-poor example of a Christian, and basically anti-Semetic. Your whole 'judgmental' thing is very un-Jesus like.

I guess you're pro-Semetic just so long as the Jew in question is all for your way of thinking.

"So either way we Christians run the show."

Sure you do. Sure you do. Go on believing that....

And for the rest of you losers here, if all you have to rally around is a NYT story that McCain hasn't denied (read his statement, he doesn't deny that he fucked that woman, a lobbyist with business in front of his committee). Some maverick he turned out to be.

Oh, yeah; ever hear the one about how he got with his current wife? Maybe some of you keyboard commandos could tell us all about *that* chapter in his life. Oh, right; you don't really know anything about your own candidate.

The democrat party is offering nothing substantive to the country.....And the fact that all the two could muster last night was compliments mixed with pathetic one liners once again showed the paucity of leadership.

What quality!

Posted by: cee at February 22, 2008 11:09 AM

When Obama is president you will see what they offer: On the first and least substantial level, we will have an articulate front-man who can flawlessless deliver the speeches that he actually composes himself - a stark contrast to the mush-mouth bumblefuck currently embarrassing us across the world. The results of this will be amazing, and the global relief will engender a rush to renew cooperative relationships with the US by a range of nations who have withdrawn from active association with the proto-fascist Bush regime.

On the level of specific policies - I hope that Obama adheres to the anti-corporatist rhetoric he has been using to excite his supporters. I know that the progressives in the Democratic party and most of the independants he has attracted will try to hold him to it. If he comes through on these issues, many of our troubles will rapidly ameliorate.

...but watch out for a terrorist attack on American soil as the election nears: Cheney will not balk at killing any number of random Americans (and possibly his puppet Bush himself) in order to perpetuate the grip of fear in which his fascist machine has held much of our country.

From Ben Smith at Politico:

An echo from Hillary

Several readers, and Obama's staff, heard an echo in Clinton's closing line, that the candidates on stage would be "fine."

Clinton Tonight:

You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about.

Edwards the December 13 debate:

What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/An_echo_from_Hillary.html#comments

Oh, right; you don't really know anything about your own candidate.

Posted by: broadsword at February 22, 2008 11:53 AM

Tell us abour yours. I anxiously await......we already know he is running based on his race, alone. Tell us somethiong we don't know.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at February 22, 2008 12:00 PM

Is it computer day in the slammer?

Lets get back to Olbermann...points out what OW has been saying for years:

Democrats Outraged by MSNBC!
Yahoo News, Feb. 21, 2007
Larry Elder

:...If Republicans decline to debate on a network whose pundits/journalists cross the fairness line, they'd never debate in front of these lefty "journalists."

Come to think of it — not a bad idea."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080221/cm_uc_crlelx/op_245326

TONY SNOW!!!!!

Is guest hosting on 'The Radio Factor' Today!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Bill!

I think Bill-O's "lynching" comment is starting to pick up steam, nothing like calling in the "beloved" Tony Snow to "prop" you up. Tony Snow /Cancer = Billy's personal strawman.

Oh, yeah; ever hear the one about how he got with his current wife? Maybe some of you keyboard commandos could tell us all about *that* chapter in his life. Oh, right; you don't really know anything about your own candidate.
Posted by: broadsword at February 22, 2008 11:53 AM

One of your manifestations told us already. Funny, I googled, trying to find some proof that he divorced his wife because she suffered from an accident that crippled her, caused her to lose 4 inches in height and gain weight. I found one commenter who stated that the proof is all over the internet. The "proof" I see is other such accusations in a "everybody knows" fashion. Maybe it's true, maybe it's partly true, maybe its is entirely false. The only concrete proof of the reason for his adultery that I could find is that his first wife said that at 40, he wanted to be 25 again. Wrong, but not so uncommon a phenomenon. What is the divorce rate in our country?

Also, there is this from Monday, Jun. 09, 1975:

"Alan Kroboth, 27, was an American prisoner of war in Viet Nam for "275 days, 14 hours, 36 minutes and 14 seconds." Shortly after he returned home to New Jersey to a hero's welcome and a beaming wife in 1973, his marriage began to unravel. Now Kroboth has joined the rapidly growing ranks of ex-P.O.W.s who have become ex-husbands since they returned home.

Military records show that as of last October the divorce rate for former P.O.W.s stood at 27%—about twice the normal rate for men of their age group. By now, the percentage has certainly climbed far higher."

http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:YM3Ja2NIi6QJ:www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,913136,00.html+POW%27s+divorce+rate&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Olby sucks-
Obama is running on a platform of change!
Changing everything! Other countries will respect us because Obama will talk to them...except Pakistan, he told us he doesn't need to talk to them, just go into their country! But he will change things Healthcare, taxes, schools...all changing...and we will hope...hope for change!

Of course it would be nice to know what we would be changing to and how and it would be paid for...but that is just a diversionary tactic that the republicans want you to ask...it is an attack on Obama...it is racist to even ask such a thing

/sarcasm off

SLOB, long time since we've seen you here. Hope your family is doing well.

If you are as dead serious as you seem to be here:

"...but watch out for a terrorist attack on American soil as the election nears: Cheney will not balk at killing any number of random Americans (and possibly his puppet Bush himself) in order to perpetuate the grip of fear in which his fascist machine has held much of our country. "

you may be interested in this site. :)

http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html

Grammie

By the Way....did anyone else notice that Obama stole his "Yes We Can" line from Bob the Builder?

SLOBy-

Does your post mean that Obama stands for communes? Overseas coporations are OK, but American ones with be destroyed by the party apparatchiks? is that the job you are pulling for under General Secretary Obama?

oh, and your little tirade against Cheney...its nice to see beef under tinfoil....takes me back to the old fashioned tv dinners!

Sir Loin of Milquetoast has developed some trust since his last visit....He actually is open to the corporation candidate Senator Obama....

http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/allcontrib.asp?CID=N00009638

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I had so much respect for the purity of Sir Loin of Milquetoast....he seems to have abandoned Kucinich....oh well.....

And in regards to your hope....we will see, Loin....I am glad to see you change and become involved in the messianic surge that is Obama....I always thought you were against such cults.....To steal from Obama...."THERE IS HOPE!"

Could you tell me one accomplishment he has had as a US Senator....without googling?.....

Could you tell me his plan for Iraq after the US troops are withdrawn in 16 months?....without googling.....

Could you tell me his views on Israel?....without googling....

Cee compare and contrast to McCain's:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00006424&cycle=2008

Kucinich, you might have noticed without googling, is no longer a candidate. A tragedy, but its what we've got to deal with.

As for your subsequent straw-men - representing as they do standards of specificity and accomplishment that you yourself disregard in regard to your fetish/president Bush - I'm not going to bother answering, despite knowing the answers full well, while not being entirely satisfied with them myself. Instead, I would merely like to admonish you to...

ENLIST!! Make an honest fascist mind-slave war-monger out of yourself!!

Sharon, they find that crap about McCain on "obscure" far left blogs. So "obscure" they can't even be found. The same clown has posted the same crap 4 or 5 times, but, offers no link to the source of his info. He's obviously not too proud of his "source."

Could you tell me one accomplishment he has had as a US Senator....without googling?.....

Could you tell me his plan for Iraq after the US troops are withdrawn in 16 months?....without googling.....

Could you tell me his views on Israel?....without googling....

Posted by: cee at February 22, 2008 1:16 PM

Since slob or anyone, for that matter can answer, allow me.

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You are a broken record, Loin......

Good point, PoorBaby.....The comparison is very interesting especially for Loin. McCain is a lot less supported by corporate interests, but it seems Loin is just simply caught up in OBAMANATION! like the teary eyed and fainting freshmen ladies at his rallies....

Like I said.....Loin has changed his tune since December....I can't wait to see the VP choice....another leftist elite wholly owned by the special interests, like the top of the ticket....

But all that is fogotten with one little word....

CHANGE!

Excellent summation, olbysucks....

Policy issues seem to be unnecessary on the democrat side of this Presidential campaign.....

I wonder if Senator Obama could even find Israel on a map?

Oh well....blind disengagement from helping our good allies stay free from radical terrorist destruction does not matter.....because of......

CHANGE!

obama has been meeting with the trial lawyer. A radical left ticket.

"SLOBy-

Does your post mean that Obama stands for communes? Overseas coporations are OK, but American ones with be destroyed by the party apparatchiks? is that the job you are pulling for under General Secretary Obama?"

- - What the fuck are you talking about?

"oh, and your little tirade against Cheney...its nice to see beef under tinfoil....takes me back to the old fashioned tv dinners!

Posted by: PoorBaby at February 22, 2008 1:10 PM "

Sure - and "conspiracies" can't exist because conventional wisdom has adopted the derisive term "conspiracy theory" to serve as a terse universal defense for conspirators.

Its funny that the superstitious monkeys who deny such unrefuted explanatory constructs as evolution - and even certain laws of physics - in favor of bronze-age mythology are the same people who scoff at the possibility that blatant conflicts of interest on the part of their ideological masters represent instances of governmental corruption, law-breaking, and even the usurpation of the constitution.

In short - "tin-foil hat" ridicule from religious/fascist ideologues represents the height of irony.

Don't worry Loin....the religious ideologues will simply kill eachother leaving you and your secularists the world ready for utopia.....

"The disappearance of Israel is an inevitable fact. It is an historical process in the region which will come to an end in several years," Hassan Nasrallah

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"President Obama" won't have to worry about finding Israel on a map if the American left gets its way....

Mmmm.....American foreign policy is the hands of a neophyte who has no policy positions other than "US troops out in 16 months," and platitudes like.......

CHANGE!

The rational and intelligent Loin follows the messiah anyway......

Grammie,

I checked out your link, prepared to read some kind of article on a Cheney connection to war mongering. That is obviously not what I found.
; )

"Good point, PoorBaby.....The comparison is very interesting especially for Loin. McCain is a lot less supported by corporate interests,"

Does "Keating 5" mean anything to you? McCain is nothing but a mercenary.

-but if your figures are accurrate, it merely reflects the quandary faced by Republicans in this election year. McCain has in the past sold himself readilly and entirely to any corporate john sporting a sizable wad, but his wide-ranging political rhetoric designed to repair his image and support base after being caught at it sticks in the craws of corporatists and christianists alike. Unfortunately for them, the fascist money-bags hae as alternatives the entirely characterless Romney, who's history of positions is as kaliedoscopic as McCain's, and Huckabee, who has sought his support through traditional economic populism, which is anathema to corporate domination of our political system.

What are they to do? They seem to have settled on destroying McCain - who's propensity for prostitution is well-proven, and who therefore probably represents their best bet - with innuendo about extra-marital trysts, and attempting to revive business dork Romney's "suspended" campaign.

Get used to it - Obama is going to be president, and while he is nowhere near the progressive levels I believe this country needs, I think he will oversee an adequate and probably successful adminstration.

Ahhhhh....CHANGE IS A COMMIN'...check out these ratings for Olbermann. (Just a normal night and he halfs O'Reilly's total viewers, and 75% of the demo). Ahhhhhh.....ain't evolution great!

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/the_scoreboard_wednesday_feb_20_78086.asp#more

Oh yes, now Loin uses the tired DNC talking points on the republican party wedges that is only interesting to those within the Washington DC beltway.....

The average voter has no idea what you are talking about and will only start paying attnetion to this race around September....

Like ALWAYS.

The confidence regarding Obama in February reminds me of the same optimism so many had about the classy veteran and articulate John Kerry in January 2004 and the incumbant behemoth Al Gore in March 2000......

I am glad you are confident, Loin.....and optimistic about the chances of the messiah.....he's a charasmatic and articulate man....that's about all I know about him even after reading his autobiography and listening to his stump speeches.

Please don't forget about my demographic, dear Loin....I am as "christianst" and "conservative" as they come and will be happy to support the former POW and honorable Senator John McCain.....

The wedges are not as powerful as some on the extreme poles like yourself would have people believe.

Cee,

McCain, running in the shadow of the party boasting the president with the lowest recorded approval rating ever does not bode well.

You are right that this thing has not played out yet and you are right that many voters are not tuned in at this point, t all the current signs bode poorly for the GOP.

1) Bush's approval numbers are in the toilet. McCain is going to have trouble distancing himself from it as beleives much as the president on many issues.

2) Obama is a powerful orator (Reagon had this) and has energized the democratic base. We are coming out in droves to vote.

3) McCain has not enrgized the republican base. Oh I don't think conservatives will vote against him, I'm just not sure they are going to come out in droves for him as they have in the past elections

4) Like it or not the primaries can be give key signals how turn out will go. All signs point to the democratis.
Having said that you are right there is much game to be plaed and things could come out that could hurt Obama, McCain may prove a stronger canidate than anytone thinks and so on and so on.

The signs at the current time point to another direction though

"SLOBy-

Does your post mean that Obama stands for communes? Overseas coporations are OK, but American ones with be destroyed by the party apparatchiks? is that the job you are pulling for under General Secretary Obama?"

- - What the fuck are you talking about?

posted by slob

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The results of this will be amazing, and the global relief will engender a rush to [renew cooperative relationships with the US by a range of nations] who have withdrawn from active association with the proto-fascist Bush regime.

On the level of specific policies - I hope that Obama adheres to the anti-corporatist rhetoric he has been using to excite his supporters. I know that the progressives in the Democratic party and most of the independants he has attracted will try to hold him to it. If he comes through on these issues, many of our troubles will rapidly ameliorate.

We are coming out in droves to vote.

posted by anonyloon

Yep, voting for someone you know nothing about! Can you tell me his views?

"We are coming out in droves to vote."

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Conventional wisdom tripe....The polling shows consistently Obama not getting over 50% of the vote...47/42.....48/43 to McCain and when McCain is put up against Clinton....it flips.....

The country is as split along ideological lines as it ever was and McCain is an attractive CENTRIST candidate...

Democrat primary voters ARE NOT the typical voter...they are ideologues and Obama would have them in his 48% anyway.....it is the independents that will once again decide the election and these voters do not vote in primaries.....they vote in November only and only pay attention after labor day.

The democrats were coming "out in droves"
in 2004 and the "wrong direction" polls showed the same then as well....and who won the election 9 months later?

There is a whole general election yet to go and I have just as much confidence about the choice the American people will make as I did at this point in 2000 and 2004....Obama has yet to stand up to any scrutiny and negative press AND the independent (moderate) voter is still up for grabs.

Also....lets not forget about the VP choice and its influence on people's decision.

Oh....and Loin....what about Ralph Nader?.....Is he not more close to your purity and deserving of your vote in November?......

Nader to Discuss Election Plans

"Ralph Nader could be poised for another third party presidential campaign."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jRe7-1GipomU41w-Gp2uGsR3P__AD8UVG0U84

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Make sure you watch MEET THE PRESS this weekend, radical leftists....The corporate pawn Obama does not seem to jive with your litmus tests....but there is always hope for another Nader run!

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The results of this will be amazing, and the global relief will engender a rush to [renew cooperative relationships with the US by a range of nations] who have withdrawn from active association with the proto-fascist Bush regime.

On the level of specific policies - I hope that Obama adheres to the anti-corporatist rhetoric he has been using to excite his supporters. I know that the progressives in the Democratic party and most of the independants he has attracted will try to hold him to it. If he comes through on these issues, many of our troubles will rapidly ameliorate.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 22, 2008 2:38 PM

Well, if so, then his argument is based on misapprehension and is directed at someone who doesn't have the time to explain to him the difference between "cooperative relationships" and Overseas corporations".

CB @ 2:36PM, your well laid out points are indisputable. Cee and I have said virtually the same thing sometimes to hooting derision from those already partying over their (Dem) victory and our (Repubs) crushing defeat.

The seats that the Dems won in the House and the Senate were won on very slender margins by moderate to very moderate Dems which is a large reason why the Bobos of this world have been so upset that the world didn't stop and and change directions. The country did dog leg a bit to the left in the 2006 elections but we essentially remain a country that is evenly divided on the Bell Curve between the hard left and the hard right.

I remember the Dems booking their inaugaral balls when RR was nominated by the Repubs and the Repubs booking their inaurgaral balls when Bush I had a 91% approval rating after Gulf War One.

Grammie

.....it is the independents that will once again decide the election and these voters do not vote in primaries

posted by cee

Right again, to both. I'm independant and did not vote in the primaries. People like myself decide who will be the next President!

Phari-cee,

I had not yet heard about Nader's move in this regard. If he runs, and speaks as directly and unerringly as he has in the past when identifying America's misdirection, then he will be my candidate - unless, of course, Obama continues to hone the lefty end of his rhetoric as he has since S. Carolina. A Nader campaign will probably push him in this direction.

Obama needs to rethink his health-care proposals: the obvious answer to our troubles in this regard is a single-payer/universal coverage plan that forces everyone in the insurance industry out of their jobs. But don't worry; a progressive administration will adequately support them as they re-educate themselves for productive occupations that are not socially predatory or corrosive.

Olby Sucks: "Yes, voting for someone you know nothing about. Can you tell me his views?"

I remember the year 2000, when another presidential candidate sold himself as both a "compasionate conservative", as well as a non interventionist regarding foreign entanglements.

He turned out to be neither.

Well said at 3:18 Sir Loin.

I do not believe anyone's health care proposal is going to survive in it's present form, so don't give up on Obama doing the right thing in that regard.

Meanwhile, I hope Nader stays out. He may have the right ideas but he lacks sufficient charisma and therefore cannot be anything but a spoiler.

I remember the year 2000, when another presidential candidate sold himself as both a "compasionate conservative", as well as a non interventionist regarding foreign entanglements.

He turned out to be neither.

Posted by: Mike at February 22, 2008 3:21 PM

Perfect diversion! That scores an A+.

Well...we did get an example of Obama's vast ignorance last night.....

http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/02/post_14.asp

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At least George Bush was in the National Guard....

And what about the former POW fighter pilot, Senator John McCain....do we think he would make such errors?

Olby Sucks: "Right again, to both. I'm independant and did not vote in the primaries. People like myself decide who will be the next president."

Except that very few independents are as hard right as you are.

In fact, relatively few Americans are as hard right as you are.....Not even your presumptive nominee!

Meanwhile, I hope Nader stays out. He may have the right ideas but he lacks sufficient charisma and therefore cannot be anything but a spoiler.

Posted by: Mike at February 22, 2008 3:25 PM

People like mike favor candidates that get standing ovations when they blow their nose!

Meanwhile, I hope Nader stays out. He may have the right ideas but he lacks sufficient charisma and therefore cannot be anything but a spoiler.

Posted by: Mike at February 22, 2008 3:25 PM

Sadly, I have to agree with you on the charisma thing; In a perfect world Obama - who is an intelligent man seeking the support of intelligent people who in turn are seeking real solutions to our problems - would listen to the solid admonitions of Nader and those who likewise deal in reason; would adjust his policy prescriptions accordingly; and would offer Nader an appropriate cabinet position.

...but I don't see this happening without something like a Nader candidacy.

I keep hearing THE Keith Olbermann and his guests (Turley specifically) tells us about the crimes that have been committed by the Bush Administration but am wondering if anyone of Keith's supporters can give me a definitive list of these "crimes" and when they were adjuticated (sp?) in a court of law. If they were adjuticated please answer the following:
When?
Where? (which court?)
Disposition of case?

Thanks

Don't hold your breath, erik.

At least George Bush was in the National Guard....

And what about the former POW fighter pilot, Senator John McCain....do we think he would make such errors?

Posted by: cee at February 22, 2008 3:29 PM

"Well, captains command companies, not rifle platoons. A rifle platoon is normally commanded by a 2nd lieutenant, sometimes (if short handed) by a senior sergeant. "

...is your blogger asserting that captains do not have platoons under their command? Are not rifle platoons components of companies? What a misinformed moron!

Your blogger presents no refutation - he merely asserts that Obama's scenario depicts an anomally to the way things are supposed to work in the military - which is exactly what Obama was saying. Is Obama's scenario based on fact? I don't know, and apparently neither does your blogger. If he wants to do anything but spout off in partisan tit-for-tat he should identify the specific incident mentioned by Obama and refute it with specific data. - but for that sort of thing one should not look to the National Standard.

Bush in the National Guard? Why do you even want to go there?

The cult leader was busy chasing his next fix while Bush was serving his country.

Well Loin, I place more responsibility on the candidate making the accusation to provide correct information....another site has military personel chiming in about their take on Obama's assertions....too bad the press is not yet ready to call him on it....

One comment from http://www.floppingaces.net/2008/02/21/obama-on-afghanistan/#comment-18860

"Why then, did Osama vote against funding the military?

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/1/votes/181/

"This bill also funded the war in Afghanistan. Obama was one of the 14 that voted to let our troops scavenge the battlefield for ammo instead of being properly supplied."

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Oh that's right....the American left supports the troops in word only....nevermind the funding......

This is going to be one fun campaign.

Bush in the National Guard? Why do you even want to go there?
Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at February 22, 2008 3:51 PM

cee, time for a nap.

The cult leader was busy chasing his next fix while Bush was serving his country.

Posted by: at February 22, 2008 3:56 PM

"In the latest news, new documents from Bush’s squadron commander say Bush discussed with him how to avoid drills during 1972. The report on “60 Minutes” said the files were from the personal records of Col. Jerry Killian, who died in 1984. The files show that Killian grounded Bush from flying when he missed a medical examination and failed to meet performance standards. In one memo, dated Aug. 18, 1972, Killian wrote that he was being pressured from higher-ups in the Guard to gloss over Bush’s poor performance and to “sugarcoat” his evaluation.

At the same time, a former Texas Speaker of the House Ben Barnes has come forward to say that he abused his position power by helping Bush and others get a coveted slot in the National Guard in 1968."

George Bush to the Houston Chronicle in 1984:

"I was not prepared to shoot my eardrum out with a shotgun in order to get a deferment. Nor was I willing to go to Canada. So I chose to better myself by learning how to fly airplanes."

...then he crapped out on that mild, self-serving obligation because he couldn't stay away from the nose-candy.

That's what you call "serving his country"?

Well, Obama's ignorance on foreign policy and the military will be an issue....an issue that did not pose a problem for W. even when he ran against the leftist Vietnam Veteran, John Kerry......

Perhaps one of you want to defend Obama with regard to this as well.......

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN0132206420070801?&src=080107_1442_DOUBLEFEATURE_dozens_dead_in_iraq

"Obama said if elected in November 2008 he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government, a move that would likely cause anxiety in the already troubled region.

"'If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will,' Obama said.

"The Illinois Democrat is trying to convince Americans he has the foreign policy heft to be president after a rival candidate, New York Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton, questioned his readiness to be commander in chief.

"Clinton last week labeled Obama naive for saying he would be willing to meet the leaders of Iran, Cuba, Syria, North Korea and Venezuela without preconditions in his first year in office."

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Time to take a nap, leftists....I do not recall George Bush saying anything so simplistic and wrong.

People will expect better from a presidential candidate....platitudes only last so long......and 9 months is a long time.

That's what you call "serving his country"?

Yep....and remember....Bush beat Kerry!

Oh, and let's talk about McCain......

"It was in the Vietnam War that John McCain III faced the most difficult challenge of his life. A naval aviator, he was shot down over Hanoi in 1967 and seriously injured. When Vietnamese military officers realized he was the son of a top commander, they offered McCain early release in an effort to embarrass the United States. Acting from a sense of honor taught him by his father and the U.S. Naval Academy, McCain refused the offer. He was tortured, held in solitary confinement, and imprisoned for five and a half years."

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Read 'Faith of My Fathers' gents and compare his service to our country to Obama's (lack thereof)......

No contest.

Obama was one of the 14 that voted to let our troops scavenge the battlefield for ammo instead of being properly supplied."

He also voted to keep porno available on school computers. Things obama cult members refuse to address or probably even know.

Oh and I know why Loin REALLY dislikes McCain....just today.....

"'I hope [Castro] has the opportunity to meet Karl Marx very soon,' McCain told a town-hall style meeting of about 150 people, referring to communist theoretician Marx who died on March 14, 1883."

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We all know who Loin idolizes....Don't dis the man, Marx!

"Obama said if elected in November 2008 he would be willing to attack inside Pakistan with or without approval from the Pakistani government, a move that would likely cause anxiety in the already troubled region.

If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will,' Obama said."

I look at the qualifiers "actionable" and "high-value".

Personally, I would view taking out Osama bin Laden with a surgical strike in or out of Pakistan as a superior option to that of parking the majority of our military assets in an unrelated country for six years;

....and to utterly ignoring the obvious presence of Osama in Pakistan for that same duration, as Bush has done.

"The Illinois Democrat is trying to convince Americans he has the foreign policy heft to be president after a rival candidate, New York Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton, questioned his readiness to be commander in chief.
"Clinton last week labeled Obama naive for saying he would be willing to meet the leaders of Iran, Cuba, Syria, North Korea and Venezuela without preconditions in his first year in office."

So now you're listening to every word Hillary says, Phari-cee? Do you even know where you stand on these issues?

Inconvenient Fact: Times Sex Scandal Writer's Left-wing Connection

By Noel Sheppard | February 21, 2008 - 12:35 ET

As media digest the recent John McCain sex scandal allegations by the New York Times, one side of the story seems destined to get ignored: one of the four co-authors took money from a liberal activist group to fund a hit piece about Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Kent.) in 2006.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/02/21/mccain-scandal-co-author-once-took-funds-liberal-activist

Read 'Faith of My Fathers' gents and compare his service to our country to Obama's (lack thereof)......

No contest.

Posted by: cee at February 22, 2008 4:13 PM

ENLIST, Phari-cee! Make an honest war-mongering fascist mind-slave of yourself.

....and to utterly ignoring the obvious presence of Osama in Pakistan for that same duration, as Bush has done.

posted by slob

Factually incorrect.

Factually incorrect.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 22, 2008 4:28 PM

Weak and intellectually impotent.

"While Obama has not received as much as Clinton did from Greenberg Traurig lobbyists, the firm's top executives, who made the decisions to initially hire and eventually fire Abramoff, have given heavily to the Illinois Democrat. Firm founders Larry Hoffman and Robert Traurig, along with current executive director Cesar Alvarez were all included in $14,500 from the firm's executive leadership to Obama."

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/02/21/will-media-examine-obama-s-connection-jack-abramoff

BIG business canidate Obama.

There they go again Nancy...attacking everyone because they have no facts.

Olbermann/Countdown designed to cater to the demo (18-24):

NYTimes
News Isn’t Wasted on the Young
By DAVID CARR
Published: February 18, 2008

"...MSNBC, which has historically been in third place, but has the younger demographics in a very crusty sector, is seeking to exploit what it sees as an opportunity. Keith Olbermann has shown up in both political and sports coverage on NBC and MSNBC, and it’s not coincidence. MSNBC is shooting for a loosey-goosey ESPN dynamic in its coverage.

“If MSNBC is going to challenge CNN, we are going to have to pull in younger viewers because the older viewers already have their habits,” said Phil Griffin, the senior vice president at NBC who is in charge of MSNBC. “We are making a conscious effort to appeal to younger viewers by doing a brighter, faster program with more point of view and more fun.” "

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/business/media/18carr.html?scp=3&sq=keith+olbermann&st=nyt

There they go again Nancy...attacking everyone because they have no facts.
Posted by: Reagan at February 22, 2008 4:54 PM

drop dead, oh, I forgot, you already are dead...

Someone forgot to tell Phil Griffin that if a news network wants viewers, then it should air more than 5 lousy programs and stay on the air for more than a few hours on weekends. Phil, those crazy young folks don't watch TV anyway - they're out having fun, surfing the 'net and playing with their iPhones. Phil didn't get the memo.

Yeah, the older folks are set in their thoughts and ways. For example. they know that Olby, Monkeyman Matthews, Scratch Scarborough and Lefty Abrams are completely full of crap, which is why they don't watch their pathetic "programs". And the young ones eventually catch onto that fact as well - the smart ones, anyway.

Marxist Ed
Todays Student: slob

....and to utterly ignoring the obvious presence of Osama in Pakistan for that same duration, as Bush has done.

posted by slob

Factually incorrect.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 22, 2008 4:28 PM

Weak and intellectually impotent.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at February 22, 2008 4:30 PM

'06

NEW YORK (CNN) -- President Bush said Wednesday he would order U.S. forces to go after Osama bin Laden inside Pakistan if he received good intelligence on the fugitive al Qaeda leader's location.

"Absolutely," Bush said.

The president made the comments Wednesday in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

Although Pakistan has said it won't allow U.S. troops to operate within its territory, "we would take the action necessary to bring him to justice."

But Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, told reporters Wednesday at the United Nations that his government would oppose any U.S. action in its territory.

"We wouldn't like to allow that at all. We will do it ourselves," he said.

>Would you be happy if we just bombarded our way into Pakistan? A country that didn't attack us? Isn't that the old tired worn out left wing talking point you guys love to use in regards to Iraq? Just curious.

Oops - here's the lead story in Newsweek:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/114505

Looks like ol' John is, well, let call him 'more than cozy' with lobbying interests.

What say you, koolaid drinkers?

So glad you twerps are asking about Obama's accomplishments. You don't even *have* to google it, because it's all front and center on his website, which I'm quite sure none of you losers has ever bothered to review:

Let's not forget that this doesn't even cover off on his being the first African American editor of the Harvard Law Review, and his having already been a Professor of Constitutional Law:

Anyway, enjoy! It's a great read, considering he's done all of this in a couple of years:

*******************************************

Highlights of Obama's Strong Record of Accomplishment in the U.S. and Illinois Senate
January 14, 2008
ETHICS/TRANSPARENCY

Obama Was A Key Player In Assembling And Passing The 2007 Ethics Reform Law, Which Curbed The Influence Of Lobbyists And Was Described As The "Most Sweeping Since Watergate." In the first week of the 110th Congress, Obama joined with Senator Feingold to introduce a "Gold Standard" ethics package. Many of the Obama/Feingold bill's most important provisions were included in the final ethics reform package passed by the Senate in late January: a full ban on gifts and meals from lobbyists including those paid by the firms that employ lobbyists; an end to subsidized travel on corporate jets; full disclosure of who's sponsoring earmarks and for what purpose; additional restrictions to close the revolving door between public service and lobbying to ensure that public service isn't all about lining up a high-paying lobbying job; and requiring lobbyists to disclose the contributions that they "bundle" - that is, collect or arrange - for members of Congress, candidates, and party committees. The Washington Post wrote in an editorial that "...Mr. Reid, along with Sens. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) and Barack Obama (D-Ill.), deserves credit for assembling and passing this package." In September 2007, the AP reported, "President Bush signed a bill Friday that will require lawmakers to disclose more about their efforts to fund pet projects and raise money from lobbyists, a measure that backers call the biggest ethics reform in decades...Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill. who had pushed for the bundling provisions and was one of four lawmakers who participated in a Democratic conference call to reporters said the measure marks "the most sweeping ethics reform since Watergate." [S. 230, 110th Congress; S.1, Became Public Law 109-110-81, 9/14/07; AP, 9/15/07; Washington Post, Editorial, 1/21/07]

Obama Passed A Bill Creating A "Google-like" Database For The Public To Search Details About Federal Funding Awards. In 2006, Obama was an original cosponsor of a bill to create a "Google-like" database of information on federal spending. The bill requires the OMB by January 1, 2008, to make available to the public a searchable, free website that includes the (1) amount; (2) transaction type; (3) funding agency; (4) North American Industry Classification System code or Catalog of Federal Domestic Assistance number; (5) program source; (6) an award title descriptive of the purpose of each funding action; (7) the name and location of the recipient and the primary location of performance; and (8) a unique identifier of the recipient and any parent entity. The site must allow users to conduct separate searches that distinguish between awards that are grants, sub-grants, loans, cooperative agreements, and other forms of financial assistance and awards that are contracts, subcontracts, purchase orders, task orders, and delivery orders. [S. 2590, Passed by Unanimous Consent, 9/7/06; Became PL 109-282, 9/26/06] SEE THE DATABASE HERE

Obama Passed Into Law Legislation Requiring Lobbyists To Disclose Their Bundling Activity, Making Him Unpopular Even Among Other Democrats. Obama sponsored an amendment to require lobbyists to disclose the candidates, leadership PACs, or political parties for whom they collect or arrange contributions, and the aggregate amount of the contributions collected or arranged. The amendment was passed by unanimous consent and attached to the Senate ethics bill, which was signed into law on September 15, 2007. The New York Times wrote, "The disclosure idea's lead sponsor, Senator Barack Obama... 'has not been the most popular person in our caucus in the last couple of weeks,' said a Democratic aide involved in deliberations over the bill." [S. Amdt. 41 to S. 1, S. Amdt. 3, Submitted 1/11/07, Agreed to By Unanimous Consent, 1/18/07; S. 1, Signed into Law 9/14/07; New York Times, 1/20/07; CQ, 9/15/07]

Obama Passed Illinois Campaign Finance Reform, "Heralded As the Most Sweeping Good-Government Legislation in Decades." In 1998, Obama passed the Illinois Gift Ban that prohibited legislators, state officers and employees, and judges from soliciting or receiving gifts from a person or entity with interests affected by government. The bill required that statements of economic interest be made publicly available. The bill required public disclosure of any campaign funds received over $50, including the employer and occupation for donations over $500. The bill required non-profits and those registered under the Lobbyist Registration Act, and who give or accept more than $5,000 annually to register which the State Board of Election. The bill proscribed how campaign funds could be used, including ending the practice of allowing politicians to use campaign funds for personal use. The bill banned a political committee from receiving funds on government property and prohibited fundraisers held in Springfield while the legislature was in session. The bill required "Paid For" language to be printed on campaign literature. The bill required electronic filing of campaign disclosure as soon as technologically possible. Obama said, "'I have seen a general cynicism from taxpayers about government. They believe they have no influence on the process since they don't have the money of special interest groups. With the gift ban and the ban on Springfield fund-raisers that are contained in this legislation, I think at least some of this confidence will be restored,' the senator added." The Chicago Tribune reported, "Gov. Jim Edgar signed into law Wednesday an ethics and campaign finance package heralded as the most sweeping good-government legislation in decades. The law also required greater campaign finance disclosure and limited the uses for which raised money could be spent." [HB672, 3R P 52-4-1, 5/22/98; PA 90-0737, 8/12/98; Chicago Independent Bulletin, 6/4/98; Chicago Tribune, 8/13/98]

Illinois Campaign for Political Reform: Sponsors Of Ethics Legislation "To Be Strongly Commended" For "Landmark Legislation." The leaders of the Illinois Campaign for Political Reform wrote, "The Illinois Campaign for Political Reform applauds the Illinois legislature for passing the bipartisan campaign finance and ethics package. The bill currently awaits Gov. Jim Edgar's signature. Shepherded by former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-Ill.) and Mike Lawrence of Southern Illinois University's Institute for Public Policy, the bill's sponsors, state Sens. Kirk Dillard (R-Hinsdale) and Barack Obama (D-Chicago), and state Reps. Gary Hannig (D-Litchfield) and Jack Kubik (R-La Grange Park), made campaign finance reform in Illinois a reality by forging areas of common ground. With the support of legislative leaders, both parties and houses moved beyond their differences to pass this landmark legislation. All are to be strongly commended." [Chicago Tribune, 6/20/98]

FOREIGN POLICY

Obama Passed Law Requiring Comprehensive Nuclear Threat Reduction Strategy To Secure Weapons And Usable Nuclear Material. "Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) and Representative Adam Schiff (D-CA) announced that a provision authored by Obama and Senator Hagel (R-NE) in the Senate and advanced by Schiff in the House requiring a comprehensive nuclear threat reduction plan passed as part of the omnibus appropriations bill. This provision requires the President to submit to Congress a comprehensive plan for ensuring that all nuclear weapons and weapons-usable material at vulnerable sites around the world are secure by 2012 from the threats that terrorists have shown they can pose. The Senate passed the omnibus appropriations bill last night and the House approved the same bill today. It will now be sent to the President to be signed into law…The Comprehensive Nuclear Threat Reduction provision requires the President to develop a strategy that will: ensure that all nuclear weapons and weapons-usable material at vulnerable sites around the world are secure by 2012 against the threats that terrorists have shown they can pose; ensure adequate accounting and security for such materials on an ongoing basis thereafter; include a plan for expanding the financial support and other assistance provided by other countries, particularly Russia, the European Union and its member states, China and Japan, for the purposes of securing nuclear weapons and weapons-usable material worldwide; and outline the progress in and impediments to securing an agreement from all countries that possess nuclear weapons or weapons-usable material on a set of global nuclear security standards, consistent with their obligation to comply with United Nations Security Council Resolution 1540." [Obama Press Release, 12/20/07]

Obama Passed Legislation To Keep Weapons Of Mass Destruction Out Of The Hands Of Terrorists. In 2006, Obama was an original co-sponsor of legislation to expand U.S. cooperation to destroy conventional weapons. It also expands the State Department's ability to detect and interdict weapons and materials of mass destruction. The legislation was included in an appropriations bill that was later signed into law by the president. [Congress, S. 2566, Placed on Senate Legislative Calendar under General Orders. Calendar No. 456, 5/25/06; Provisions included in H.R. 6060/P.L. 109-706]

Obama Passed Law to Promote Relief, Security, and Democracy in the Democratic Republic of the Congo. In 2005, Obama sponsored the Democratic Republic of the Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act of 2006. The bill would set forth specified U.S. political, social, civil, and economic policy objectives (policy objectives) with respect to the Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) and obligated a specified minimum amount of foreign assistance funding for FY2006-FY2007. [S.2125, 12/16/05, Become Public Law No: 109-456, 12/22/06]

HEALTH CARE

Obama Passed Bipartisan Legislation That Expanded Health Care Coverage To 154,000 Residents, Including 70,000 Children. In 2004, Obama sponsored and helped pass legislation that expanded and made permanent Illinois' KidCare program by raising eligibility from 185% to 200% of the federal poverty level. The legislation provided coverage for an additional 20,000 children and 65,000 more Illinois adults in the first year, and by 2007 had expanded health care to 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults. In its endorsement for his Senate race, the State Journal-Register wrote, "Obama brings similar common-sense views to improving health care in America - for example, as a state senator he championed the successful KidCare program that assists thousands of children of the working poor." [93rd GA, SB 130, 3R P 42-13-2; Signed into law 6/30/03, PA 93-0063; Chicago Daily Herald, 7/2/03; Blagojevich release, 1/9/07; Blagojevich release, 4/13/07; Kaiser family report, 5/07; State Journal-Register, 10/29/04]

Obama Passed A Bill To Create Hospital Report Cards To Assist Consumers; The Bill Was Sponsored By Members Of Both Parties. Obama was the chief sponsor of Hospital Report Card Act, a bill that provides specific requirements for staffing levels for nurses to ensure that the number of nurses is consistent with the types of nursing care needed by the patients and the capabilities of the staff. The bill also provides requirements for orientation, training of hospital staff, whistleblower protection and requires hospitals to prepare a quarterly report detailing specified information as a condition of licensure. Obama said that the Hospital Report Card would present information to consumers to inform their choices on health care decisions. Obama said, "If I want to go eat out in a restaurant, I can go online and find out details about the number and type of health code violations a restaurant has been cited for...But if I need to go into a hospital for open-heart surgery, I can't find out what the surgical infection rate has been for heart surgeries in that hospital. I'd say a lot more is at stake when I go in for surgery than when I go out to dinner...I think it's going to be very hard to argue against this Bill...Because, essentially, at this stage, all we are saying is that we need a consumer report for hospitals in this state." [93rd GA; SB 0059, 2003; 3/19/03, 3R P 55-0-1; Signed into law 8/20/03, PA 93-0563; Pantagraph, 1/10/03]

Obama Passed An Amendment Into Law That Pressured The EPA to Comply With New Lead-Paint Regulations After Seven Years of Delay. In 2005, Obama passed an amendment, which became law, to the FY 2006 Department of Interior Appropriations Act prohibiting the use of funds in the bill to delay or contravene implementation of an existing but unmet statutory requirement passed by Congress in 1992 that the EPA rewrite regulations on dispersal of lead paint by home remodeling contractors by October 1996. As of July 2005, the regulations still had not been written. Weeks after Obama’s amendment passed the Senate, Obama received commitments in writing and during a Senate hearing that the EPA would comply with the law. According to an Obama press release, "In 1992, Congress required the EPA to write regulations relating to the dispersal of lead paint by contractors during home remodeling by October, 1996. As of July 2005, these regulations still have not been written. In April, Administrator Johnson stated that to address the problem of lead paint poisoning, the EPA ‘will determine what additional steps may be necessary, including regulation’ despite the fact that the 1992 law does not say the regulations are optional." [SA 1061 agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent, 6/28/05, Obama Press Release, 7/25/05; H.R. 2361, Became Public Law No: 109-54, 8/2/05]

EPA Finally Published Nine-Years-Overdue Proposal For Lead Paint Regulations Four Months After Obama Passed Legislation And Held Up EPA Nominations. Building Products wrote, "The EPA recently published long-overdue proposed regulations that affect contractors working on older houses that contain lead-based paints. The regulations, if adopted, would require that contractors be trained in lead-safe work practices and be certified by the EPA. The rules also would impose protective standards for those working on houses with lead paint. In 1992, Congress directed the EPA to write regulations that would limit lead paint pollution during home remodeling by October 1996. By last summer, with no sign of the new regulations, U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, D-III., introduced more legislation designed to encourage the EPA to publish the rules. When that didn't work, Obama announced in the fall that he would block the appointment of every nominee to top EPA jobs until the agency produced the new rules. The EPA finally announced the proposed regulations Dec. 29, 2005." [Building Products, March-April, 2006]

Obama Passed A Law Requiring The Defense Secretary To Report On The Pentagon's Efforts To Prepare For Military And Civilian Personnel For A Possible Influenza Outbreak. In 2006, Obama sponsored an amendment to the FY 2006 Defense Authorization Act that required the Secretary of Defense to report to Congress on the Pentagon's efforts to prepare for pandemic influenza, including pandemic avian influenza, including status on the procurement of vaccines, public health containment measures that could be implemented on military bases and other facilities; surge capacity for the provision of medical care during pandemics; surveillance efforts domestically and internationally and how such efforts are integrated with other ongoing surveillance systems; the integration of pandemic and response planning with those of other Federal departments; collaboration (as appropriate) with international entities engaged in pandemic preparedness and response. [SA 1453 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent, 11/18/05; S. 1042/H.R. 1815, Became Public Law No: 109-163]

Obama Passed Legislation Providing $25 Million In Funding For Avian Flu Research And Containment Efforts By U.S. Agencies In South East Asia. "The amendment calls for greater investment in our preparedness efforts by providing more than $3 billion to build a stockpile of antiviral drugs and necessary medical supplies...Obama first introduced legislation in April requiring the United States to stockpile antiviral drugs...In May, Obama worked with a bipartisan group of Senators to appropriate the $25 million called for in the Foreign Assistance Act authorization bill. This money is currently being used by U.S. agencies in South East Asia to combat and contain possible outbreaks of avian flu." [Obama Press Release, 1/12/07]

Obama Passed Health Care Justice Act; IL's Largest Health Care Coalition Applauded Obama's Leadership In Passing the Bill. In 2004, Obama was chief sponsor of bill creating the Health Care Justice Act, providing that the State of Illinois shall implement a health care access plan that provides uniform benefits for all Illinois residents by establishing a Bipartisan Commission that is required to submit a report to form the basis for the health care access plan to: "1) Provides access to a full range of preventive, acute and long-term health care services; 2) Maintains and improves the quality of health care services offered to IL residents; 3) Provides portability of coverage regardless of employment status; 4) Provides core benefits for all IL residents; 4) Encourages regional and local consumer participation; 5) Contains cost-containment measures." The Journal Register wrote the bill was "amended to make full access to health care a goal instead of a policy and to strongly encourage, instead of require, the state to implement a health-care access plan." The bill passed. When the bill was funded in 2005, Jim Duffett, executive director of Campaign for Better Health Care, the largest health care coalition in Illinois, said, "We applaud the leadership of Governor Blagojevich, state Rep. William Delgado and former state Sen. Barack Obama, who were the chief sponsors of this act." [93rd GA, HB 2268, 5/19/04, 3R P; 31-26-1, 6/24/04, Sent to the Governor; 93rd GA, SB 2581, 3/24/04, Senate Placed on Calendar Order of 3R 3/25/04; Lexington Herald Leader (Kentucky), 1/18/07; State Journal-Register (Springfield, IL), 6/15/04; Campaign for Better Health Care release, 7/31/05]

ENERGY

Obama Passed Legislation Creating A Tax Credit For The Installation Of E-85 Fuel Pumps. In 2005, Obama introduced legislation that provided a tax credit for up to 50% of the cost of installing an E-85 pump. Obama passed the tax credit as an amendment to the 2005 transportation bill. The amendment was not included in the final version of the bill but was signed into law as part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. The AP reported, "Under the provision, gas stations would get a tax credit to install equipment accommodating E-85 - an ethanol-based fuel alternative that its promoters say is up to 50 cents cheaper per gallon than unleaded gasoline. The credit would cover 30 percent of the installation costs at a given station up to $30,000...Freshman Sen. Barack Obama introduced the tax-credit measure in the Senate in the spring, and it was co-sponsored by Illinois' other Democratic senator, Dick Durbin. Obama also worked for the credit's inclusion in the energy bill as one of the conferees preparing the Senate-House conference committee report..." [AP, 7/27/05; H.R. 6, Became Public Law No: 109-58; S. 918, 109th Congress; SA 670 agreed to, 5/12/05; H.R. 6, Became Public Law No: 109-58; S. 918, Referred to the Committee On Environment and Public Works]

Obama Passed An Amendment Into Law To Fund Research For Hybrid/Flex Fuel Vehicles. In 2005, Obama sponsored an amendment, which was signed into law, to the Energy Policy Act that established an applied research program to improve technologies for the commercialization of a combination hybrid/flexible fuel vehicle; or a plug-in hybrid/flexible fuel vehicle. The program would provide grants with preference to proposals that achieve the greatest reduction in miles per gallon of petroleum fuel consumption, achieve not less than 250 miles per gallon of petroleum fuel consumption and have the greatest potential of commercialization to the general public within 5 years. [SA 851 to HR 6, Passed by Unanimous Consent, 6/23/05; H.R. 6, Became Public Law No: 109-58]

EDUCATION

Obama Passed Legislation Into Law Making Black Colleges Eligible For $15 Million In Federal Funding. In 2007, Obama introduced legislation that would make a predominantly black institution eligible for federal grant money. The legislation was written into the "The bill would define a PBI as a college of at least 1,000 undergraduates in which Blacks represent 40 percent or more of the student body. At least half of all undergraduates also must be low-income or first-generation students. The legislation would provide a minimum grant of $250,000. Jackson, another NAFEO board member, says Medgar Evers could find immediate uses for the funding." [S. 1513, Referred to HELP Committee, 5/24/07; H.R. 2669, Became Public Law, 9/7/07; Diverse Issues In Higher Education, 6/29/07]

Obama Passed Into Law An Amendment Establishing A Grant Program To Support Summer Curricula That Emphasize Math And Problem Solving. In 2007, Obama sponsored an amendment, which became law, to the America Competes Act that established a competitive state grant program to support summer learning opportunities with curricula that emphasize mathematics and problem solving. [S.Amdts. 924, Agreed to by unanimous consent, 4/25/07; S. 761, Incorporated into H.R. 2272, which became P.L. 110-289, 8/9/07]

MILITARY ISSUES/VETERANS

Obama Passed An Amendment, Which Became Law, Preventing The VA From Conducting A Review Of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder Cases Aimed At Reducing Benefits. In 2005, Obama was an original cosponsor of an amendment that became law preventing the VA from conducting a review of cases, without first providing Congress with a complete report regarding the implementation of such review. In November 2005, the VA announced that it was abandoning its planned review. "Obama had several generations of veterans in mind, he suggested, when he joined fellow Democrats Richard Durbin (Ill.), Patty Murray (Wash.) and Daniel Akaka (Hawai'i) Sept. 22 on a successful amendment to block the Department of Veterans Affairs from reviewing case files of 72,000 veterans rated 100-percent disabled by post-traumatic stress disorder…VA officials believe some PTSD claims have been decided for veterans without proper documentation. They announced their massive review only after the VA inspector general studied 2,100 randomly selected cases of PTSD disability awards and found that 25 percent lacked documents to verify that a traumatic, service-connected incident occurred…But the Senate's amendment would bar the VA from conducting its case review until it justifies the program to Congress." [SA 1864 agreed to in Senate by Voice Vote, 9/22/05; Became Public Law No: 109-114; Military Update, 10/3/05]

Obama Passed Legislation, Which Became Law, Improving And Increasing Services For Homeless Veterans. In 2006, Congress passed a Veterans Affairs Committee bill which included several provisions originating in Obama's SAVE Act (S. 1180) and Homes for Heroes Act (S. 3475). "The legislation...includes a number of proposals from legislation Senator Obama had previously introduced (S.1180, the SAVE Act and S.3475 the Homes for Heroes Act) to expand and improve services for homeless veterans. The bill permanently authorizes and increases funding to $130 million per year for a competitive grant program to provide homeless services to veterans. It greatly increases a successful program to provide rental vouchers to homeless veterans. The legislation extends programs to providing treatment for veterans with mental illnesses and other special needs. And it permanently extends VA's ability to transfer property it owns to homeless shelters." [S. 3421/P.L. 109-461; S. 1180, 109th Congress; S. 3475, 109th Congress; Obama Press Release, 6/26/06]

Obama Passed Legislation Extending Tax Credits For Military Families By Allowing Service Members Deployed In War Zones To Apply Non-Taxable Combat Pay To The EITC. In 2006, Congress passed legislation based on a proposal sponsored by Obama, Kerry, and Pryor that extended tax credits for military families by allowing service members deployed to war zones to apply their non-taxable combat pay toward the Earned Income Tax Credit. The amendment was introduced during debate on the Senate’s 2006 tax reconciliation bill, ruled out of order, but later included in the Gulf Opportunity Zone Act, which passed both chambers and became law on December 22, 2005. [H.R. 4440, Became P.L. 109-135, 12/22/05; SA 2616, 109th Congress]

Obama Passed An Amendment, Which Became Law, To Require The VA To Conduct A Campaign To Inform Disabled Vets Of Disparities In Compensation And Explaining Their Rights To Seek Review. In 2005, Obama was an original cosponsor on an amendment requiring the VA to conduct a campaign to inform veterans in Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Connecticut, Ohio and New Jersey about their right to seek a review of their past claims. Specifically, the legislation required the VA to send letters to all veterans currently receiving disability who live in six states with a past history of below-average disability compensation, informing them of the past disparity, and explaining how to request a review of past claims and ratings and how to submit new claims. The VA was also required to inform all other veterans whose past claims may have been properly denied of this disparity by other means such as broadcast of print advertising. States whose average annual disability compensation payment was less than $7,300 qualified as below average. In 2003, Illinois veterans received an average of $6,802. The amendment became law on November 30, 2005. [S. Amdt. 1865, Passed by Voice Vote, 9/22/05, to H.R.2528, Signed by the President and Became Public Law No: 109-114 on 11/30/05]

JUSTICE

Obama Passed Death Penalty Overhaul Package. Obama was the chief co-sponsor and voted for bill creating the Capital Punishment Reform Study Committee Act. Obama was the chief co-sponsor and voted for bill overhauling the death penalty in Illinois. The proposal was approved nearly unanimously. The bill would let judges rule out a death sentence for someone convicted solely on the testimony of a jailhouse informant, accomplice or single witness; let the state Supreme Court overturn a death sentence that was "fundamentally unjust.; Reduce the crimes eligible for the death penalty by focusing on "inherently violent" offenses; Expand defendants' access to genetic evidence used against them; Ban police officers from the police force if they committed perjury in a murder case; and Require juries to consider a defendant's history of abuse or mental illness when deciding whether to impose the death sentence. [93rd GA, SB 0472; 4/3/03, 3R P; 57-1-0; 5/29/03, HA1 SC; 56-3-0; 11/5/03, OAV P; 58-0-0; P.A. 93-0605, 11/25/03; Pantagraph, 4/4/03; Associated Press, 4/24/03]

Obama Passed Law To Require Videotaped Interrogations In Capital Cases. Crafted from one of the findings of the Death Penalty Moratorium Commission of former Gov. Ryan, Obama was the chief sponsor and voted for a bill requiring the electronic recording of all homicide interrogations, conducts a police officer training program, and provides grants to local law enforcement agencies for the purchase of necessary equipment. A Chicago Tribune Editorial said, "Never underestimate the power of a good idea. Around the country, an impressive number of police chiefs and political leaders are warming to proposals to require the videotaping of police interrogations – a measure almost guaranteed to reduce the number of false confessions... Making a record that proves the confession was not coerced would go far toward reducing this shameful roster...The sponsor, Sen. Barack Obama, has made serious efforts in recent weeks to meet with the state's major law enforcement groups and accommodate most of their concerns... This isn't really about money, though. It's about old, entrenched institutions resisting change. Let's hope the Illinois Senate does not turn out to be one of them." Obama said, "I think the videotaping of interrogations and confessions is both a tool for protecting the innocent as well as a tool for convicting the guilty." [93rd GA, SB 0015, 4/3/03, 3R P; 58-0-0; P.A. 93-0517, 8/12/03; 93rd GA, HB 0223, 5/15/03, 3R P; 58-0-0; P.A. 93-0206, 7/18/03; Chicago Tribune, 3/4/03; Chicago Tribune, 7/18/03]

Obama Passed Bill For Racial Profiling Law In Illinois, Was Praised For His Fight. Obama was the chief sponsor and voted for racial profiling Bill that requires law enforcement to record the race, age, and gender of all drivers they stop for traffic violations, to be analyzed by IDOT for evidence of racial profiling and then sent to the Governor. Bill also incorporated the racial and ethnic sensitivity training for all law enforcement personnel. The Chicago Defender wrote, "The African-American community should be proud of Obama and Rev. Paul Jakes, pastor of the West Side's Old Saint Paul Church, for their fight to end racial profiling...State Senator Barack Obama (D-Chicago) led the fight in Springfield for passage of the Bill, which among other things will identify arrests and stops of minority citizens in mostly white neighborhoods." [93rd GA, SB 0030; 4/3/03, 3R P; 58-0-0; P.A. 93-0209, 7/18/03; 93rd GA, HB 0361, 4/3/03, 3R P; 58-0-0; House Total Veto Stands, 11/6/03; Chicago Defender, 1/8/04]

WORKING FAMILIES, WORKPLACE PROTECTION, AND THE ECONOMY

Obama Passed Law Creating $100 Million Earned Income Tax Credit, Formed A Political Alliance Of Republicans And Democrats To Pass The EITC. Obama sponsored and passed a bill that amended the Illinois Income Tax Act to create the earned income tax credit. The bill provided that each individual taxpayer is entitled to a credit against the tax imposed by the Act in an amount equal to 5% of the federal earned income tax credit allowed. The credit applied to taxable years beginning on or after January 1, 2000 and ending on or before December 31, 2002. The credit may not reduce the taxpayer's liability to less than zero. The original legislation repealed the credit on June 1, 2003. Obama later passed legislation eliminating the sunset. The Chicago Tribune reported that the EITC was a bipartisan effort. "An unlikely political alliance has developed behind proposals to adjust the tax burden for working poor families. It includes politicians as far apart on the political map as Republicans Bill Black of Danville and Carole Pankau of Roselle and Democrats Currie and Coy Pugh of Chicago. 'The main political dynamic is simply that it costs money, and it's hard to mobilize support for programs that cost money but benefit low-income folks,' said Sen. Barack Obama (D-Chicago), lead sponsor of a bill that would make Illinois the 11th state to adopt an earned income-tax credit." [91st GA, HB 3939; 4/14/00, 3R P; 59-0-0; P.A. 91-0700, 5/11/00; Chicago Tribune, 4/10/99]

Chicagoland Chamber Of Commerce President Said The Bill Would Help Employers And Employees. Jerry Roper, President of the Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce said, "The EITC is a tremendous benefit not only for the employee who is working, but from the employers side, it is a tremendous benefit that can help his or her employees." [Chicago Defender, 5/13/00]

Obama Passed Law Creating The Illinois Temporary Assistance For Needy Families Program. Obama was a chief co-sponsor of the bill to create the state of Illinois' Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. The bill created flexibility for victims of domestic violence, set a five-year limit for receiving public assistance, banned anyone convicted of a serious drug-related Class X or Class 1 felony from ever receiving assistance, required that all recipients develop a personal plan for self-sufficiency, listing the steps they will take to move from welfare to work, exempted those over 60 and adults with children younger than 1. According to the State Journal-Register, "The bill pours more money into day-care spending...as a result, an estimated 90,000 families would be able to take advantage of the child care benefit, subject to legislative appropriation of necessary funds. That represents a six-fold increase from the current number... State Sen. Barack Obama, D-Chicago, called the bill a good start but urged members not to rule out future changes to the system. He said there is a need for a commission to oversee the changes and ensure the system is working properly. '(Welfare recipients) generally are not represented down here in Springfield. They don't have powerful lobbies. They do not contribute to our political candidates,' he said. Consequently, Obama said, if there are problems with this bill, it is not clear they will be addressed. [90th GA, HB 204, 3R P 56-1-1, 5/31/97, PA 90-0017, 6/19/97; State Journal Register, 6/1/97]

Obama Passed A Bill Requiring Advance Notice Of Mass Layoff And Plant Closings. Obama was the chief sponsor of voted for bill requiring the Department of Employment Security to monitor compliance with the federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act by private entities in Illinois. In January 2001, Obama announced plans to introduce Bill requiring employers to give 60 days advance notice of mass layoffs or plant closings to state officials to ensure timely unemployment assistance for workers. Under the Bill, the Illinois Department of Employment Security was required to monitor actively compliance with the 1988 federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification Act, which already required employers to give the federal government 60 days notice of layoffs. Obama said he began working on the Bill after he discovered that employees at several Goldblatt's locations on the South Side had not received notification of impending layoffs before the stores closed. He said he and Alderman Toni Preckwinkle contacted the state to ensure workers received assistance...Obama said he intended to check with the state Department of Employment Security to verify whether companies such as Motorola, Montgomery Ward & Co. and MarchFirst Inc. had provided proper notification in light of recent layoffs and closings. "My hope and assumption is that the majority of companies are abiding by these regulations . . .What we're really just trying to make sure of is that the state is in the loop in terms of making sure compliance is occurring." [92nd GA, SB 0062; 4/5/01, 3R P; 56-0-0; P.A. 92-0087, 7/18/01; Chicago Tribune, 1/29/01]

Obama Passed Whistle-Blower Protection Law. Obama was the chief co-sponsor and voted for a whistleblower bill that prevents employers from prohibiting an employee from disclosing information to a government or law enforcement agency if the employee has reasonable cause to believe that the information discloses a violation of State or federal law. Crain's Chicago Business wrote, "In April 2003, Obama-sponsored Bill that protected whistleblowers from employer retaliation passed the state Senate. Under SB 1872, workers who reasonably suspected violations of law had a legal right to report their fear to law enforcement agencies. Violators could be sued for reinstatement, back pay and other damages." [93rd GA, SB 1872; 3/27/03, 3R P; 57-1-0; P.A. 93-0544, 8/18/03; Crain's Chicago Business, 4/14/03]

Obama Sponsored Law To Protect Overtime Pay To Counter Bush Restrictions. Obama was the chief sponsor of a new law that exempted Illinois from the new federal overtime rules and protected overtime pay for thousands of our state's workers. The bill gave the 375,000 workers in Illinois who would have lost their right to receive pay for overtime under President Bush's new restrictions the compensation they deserve for the extra time they spend away from their families. "State Sen. Barack Obama, who led the push for Illinois to become the first state to block proposed federal rules on overtime pay, welcomed the Bush administration's changes Tuesday but said he isn't ready to reverse the state law. 'If it turns out to be necessary for us to make modifications to accommodate new realities at the federal level, we're happy to do so,' said Obama, the bill's sponsor and the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate. 'What we don't want to do is be caught off-guard by rules that hurt Illinois workers.'" [93rd GA; 3/27/03, 3R P; 32-16-2 (BO: Y); 3/31/04, HA1 SC; 36-19-0 (BO: Y); P.A. 93-0672, 4/2/04; AP, 4/2/04]

Obama And Hatch Passed Legislation To Protect Individuals' Rights To Continue Donating To Charities And Religious Organizations During Bankruptcy. In 2006, Obama was an original cosponsor of a bill that protected individuals' rights to continue donating to charities and religious organizations during bankruptcy proceedings. The Hatch-Obama bill responded to a court ruling that above-medium income debtors in Chapter 13 bankruptcy could not deduct charitable contributions, including religious contributions, from their payment plans. The ruling was based on an interpretation of the Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (BAPCPA). Hatch and Obama authored S. 4044 to ensure that all individuals in bankruptcy, no matter their income, would be able to continue giving to charity and their church. The bill passed the senate by unanimous consent and was signed by the president. [S. 4044, Signed 12/20/06, Became Public Law No. 109-439]

WOMEN

Obama Passed Equal Pay Act In Illinois To Give 330,000 More Women Protection From Pay Discrimination. Obama co-sponsored and voted for the Equal Pay Act which provided that no employer may discriminate between employees on the basis of sex by paying ages solely on the basis of the employee's gender. According to the AP, the "Illinois Equal Pay Act expands the federal Equal Pay Act of 1963 to give about 330,000 more women in the state protection from gender-based discrimination in pay" by applying the law to companies that employee 4 or more people, rather than the federal standard of fifteen. Obama attended the bill signing on Mother's Day of 2003. [93rd GA; SB 0002; 2003; Signed into law, 5/11/03, PA 93-0006; AP, 5/11/03; Chicago Tribune, 5/8/03; Chicago Tribune, 5/12/03]

Obama Passed A Law To Create The Victims Economic Security And Safety Act (VESSA), Which Would Help Victims Of Abuse Seek Treatment Without Losing Their Job. Obama was the chief sponsor and voted to created the Victims' Economic Security and Safety Act. The bill provided that an employee who is a victim of domestic or sexual violence, or who has a family or household member who is a victim of domestic or sexual violence whose interests are not adverse to the employee, may take leave from work to address domestic or sexual violence by: seeking medical attention for, or recovering from, physical or psychological injuries caused by domestic or sexual violence to the employee or the employee's family or household member; obtaining services from a victim services organization for the employee or the employee's family or household member; obtaining psychological or other counseling for the employee or the employee's family or household member; participating in safety planning, temporarily or permanently relocating, or taking other actions to increase the safety of the employee or the employee's family or household member from future domestic or sexual violence or ensure economic security; or seeking legal assistance or remedies to ensure the health and safety of the employee or the employee's family or household member, including preparing for or participating in any civil or criminal legal proceeding related to or derived from domestic or sexual violence. The Chicago Tribune reported, "But VESSA, as it is known, allows time off for personal issues not covered by the FMLA and is designed to help victims keep their jobs." Obama said he sponsored the bill after being approached by several advocacy group for battered women. "They came to me and indicated how difficult it is for victims of physical and sexual abuse to deal with the repercussions of an assault and then try to balance it with work and everything else." [93rd GA; HB 3486; 3R P 58-0-0, 5/20/03; Signed into law 8/25/03, PA 93-0591; Chicago Tribune, 8/20/03; University Wire, 8/22/03]

Obama Passed Into Law a Requirement that Women And Minority Scientists/Engineers Be Represented And Consulted on Specific Technology and Science Efforts. In 2007, Obama sponsored an amendment, which became law, to the America Competes Act requiring that minorities and females be represented and consulted during the development of innovation/competitiveness strategies at the National Science and Technology Summit (NSTS), on the President's Council on Innovation and Competitiveness, and elsewhere. [S.Amdts. 923, Agreed to by unanimous consent, 4/25/07; S. 761, Incorporated into H.R. 2272, which became P.L. 110-289, 8/9/07]

Obama Passed Into Law An Amendment Creating A Mentoring Program For Women And Underrepresented Groups At DOE. In 2007, Obama sponsored an amendment, which became law, to the America Competes Act that established a mentoring program to support women and underrepresented groups as they progress through education programs proposed by the Department of Energy. The amendment was included in the final version of the bill that passed Congress and was signed into law. [S.Amdts. 905, Agreed to by unanimous consent, 4/25/07, S. 761, Incorporated into H.R. 2272, which became P.L. 110-289, 8/9/07]

HOMELAND SECURITY/DISASTER RESPONSE

Obama Passed Legislation Prohibiting DHS From Entering Into Open-Ended, No-Bid Contracts For Emergency Response Activities. "Legislation authored by U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL) and Tom Coburn, M.D. (R-OK) that will stop the abuse of no-bid contracting in the aftermath of a disaster was included in the final Department of Homeland Security funding bill likely to pass the Senate today. After Senate passage, the bill will go to the President's desk to be signed into law...After Hurricane Katrina, the Federal Emergency Management Agency used emergency authority to enter into open-ended, no-bid contracts. What was meant to be temporary stop-gap authority ballooned into wasteful contracts that lasted many months and wasted significant federal resources. Obama and Coburn legislation will stop this practice by restricting the use of emergency contracting authority only to urgent needs in the immediate response to emergencies...On three separate occasions, Obama and Coburn have passed legislation in the Senate that would end no-bid contracting with Gulf Coast reconstruction funds. Legislation that would have specifically prohibited no-bid contracts with Gulf Coast reconstruction was stripped from a previously passed funding bill." [Obama Press Release, 9/29/06]

Obama Passed An Amendment Into Law Creating A National Family Locator System. In 2006, Obama passed an amendment to the Fiscal Year 2007 Homeland Security Appropriations Act that required the Department of Homeland Security to create a centralized family locator system through which family members can contact their lost loved ones during disasters. The amendment, which was signed into law as part of the final version of the bill, was based on legislation Obama introduced immediately after Hurricane Katrina. [SA 4573 as modified agreed to in Senate by Unanimous Consent, 7/13/06; H.R. 5441, Became Public Law No: 109-295; S. 1630, 109th Congress, Referred to the Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs]

Let's not forget that this doesn't even cover off on his being the first African American editor of the Harvard Law Review,

posted by kool aid gulper

Too bad he's ARAB American!

Yup, Barack Hussein Obama might have some trouble with that.

broadsword/new gal, Obama didn't pen anything you posted. Although, he would like everyone to think that, you simply posted his, I mean part of his voting record. I see you conveniently left out the bill that he voted FOR that allowed porno in school computers..............and all of his votes that he simply voted 'here'on. He also voted AGAINST fitting our troops with proper gear. Nice, huh?

"Why then, did Osama vote against funding the military?

http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/senate/1/votes/181/

"This bill also funded the war in Afghanistan. Obama was one of the 14 that voted to let our troops scavenge the battlefield for ammo instead of being properly supplied."

LOLOLOLOLOL!!! AWE-some...

They simply CAN NOT PROCESS people who deviate from the leftist groupthink. My God... it would be sad if it weren't so frightening.

I don't need to look in a dictionary to know what surrender is. if we leave Iraq without victory it will be surrender. There is no other way to couch it. But please, push up your bifocals, look down your nose and tell me what ELSE I need to look up in the dicitonary. Forget "douchebag," I already know what one of those is.

And how can you gather from one post that I'm a right-wing loon? The facts, as I stated them, are the facts. It is a BASELESS smear campaign against McCain that is so blatant it cannot be defined as anything else.

That's not left or right, it just is.

I don't need to look in a dictionary to know what surrender is. if we leave Iraq without victory it will be surrender.

posted by ender

Don't expect far leftists to make heads or tails from clear thinking logic. The person you are responding to makes common practice of forming his own definitions to fit his far left agenda.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 22, 2008 7:12 PM

"olby sucks" links to NASCAR!?! Good god, can you be anymore predictable? You have the "stars & bars" hanging in your living room....come on, tell the truth.

Broadsword, keep trying. No one is convinced by the B. Hussein Obama propaganda.

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Time to take a nap, leftists....I do not recall George Bush saying anything so simplistic and wrong."

Really? Well let me refresh your memory:

"You might remember last week, working with the -- with people in Great Britain -- we disrupted a plot. People were trying to come and kill people." Simplistic and wrong.

"It matters to the security of people here at home if we don't work to change the conditions that cause 19 kids to be lured onto airplanes to come and murder our citizens." Simplistic and wrong.

"I can press when there needs to be pressed; I can hold hands when there needs to be -- hold hands." Just plain moronic.

""I don't particularly like it when people put words in my mouth, either, by the way, unless I say it." Who is this guy? - President Yogi Bera?

"I fully understand those who say you can't win this thing militarily. That's exactly what the United States military says, that you can't win this military." --George W. Bush, on the need for political progress in Iraq, Washington, D.C., Oct. 17, 2007. Wow, this one is nuanced and CORRECT!!

"My job is a decision-making job, and as a result, I make a lot of decisions." OK - this one is simplistic, technically correct, but so banal and infantilistically tautological that its infuriating.

"The same folks that are bombing innocent people in Iraq were the ones who attacked us in America on September the 11th." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., July 12, 2007. Simplistic and criminally wrong. There are dozens in this same vein.

"There are jobs Americans aren't doing. ... If you've got a chicken factory, a chicken-plucking factory, or whatever you call them, you know what I'm talking about." --George W. Bush. Tipp City, Ohio, April 19, 2007. This guy is fucking retarded!

"The solution to Iraq -- an Iraq that can govern itself, sustain itself and defend itself -- is more than a military mission. Precisely the reason why I sent more troops into Baghdad." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2007. Idiots often express the most sublime irony.

"Some call this civil war; others call it emergency -- I call it pure evil." --George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., March 28, 2007. Simplistic and wrong.

"You know, when I campaigned here in 2000, I said, I want to be a war President. No President wants to be a war President, but I am one." --George W. Bush, Des Moines, Iowa, Oct. 26, 2006. Actually quite complex, in a disturbingly psychotic way.

"You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." --George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006. Simplistic and correct.

...

Interesting comment above re 'douchebags'.

I think the classical definition of 'douchebag' is to be found in the average Conservative who posts here:

You think it's your job to make Bush smell good.

Olbermann and Shuster - together again.

Hmmm. And how is the NYT piece a 'smear' if it is, in fact, true? Just curious.

And, hey 'olby sucks'...why not just go with something a bit more credible, like 'Obama hates puppies, and likes to eat them with hotsauce', or another unsubstantiated lie.

Conservatives; unaware that their credibility is *GONE*, like a fart in the wind.

"Broadsword, keep trying. No one is convinced by the B. Hussein Obama propaganda"

Yeah. What I posted...those are just the facts about the man's career.

The truth, as they say, has a well-known liberal bias. Close your eyes, block your ears, it doesn't change the facts.

Your religious intolerance is not unexpected. Guess what; this country is now clearly beyond your small, uninformed world-view.

Your sniggling little shots at his middle name....well, if that's all you've got to go on, bigotry, please be aware that you're going to get *dusted* in November. Clay-pigeon dusted.

Now, the fact is that Obama is a practicing Christian.

However, he'd have *my* vote if he were Muslim, or Bhuddist, or Confucian, or Seikh, or Jew, or anything else. There is no religious litmus test to hold *any* office in this country, stupid.

If your appeal is to the bigoted and intolerant among us, brother, you're going to find out the hard way that you're in a rapidly dwindling minority.

Oh hey, Sir Loin - did you see his 'simplistic and wrong' analysis of the imploding economy yesterday?

First he denied that dumping a trillion dollars in the sand would have a negative effect on our economy, then pinned the implosion on 'we built too many houses'.

Simplistic. Wrong.

Oh, yeah; the hits just keep on comin':

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2257342820080222

And, hey 'olby sucks'...why not just go with something a bit more credible, like 'Obama hates puppies, and likes to eat them with hotsauce', or another unsubstantiated lie.

Conservatives; unaware that their credibility is *GONE*, like a fart in the wind.

Posted by: broadsword at February 22, 2008 8:53 PM

Which "unsubstantiated lie" are you referring to? The only one of recent memory is the one in regards to the times hit piece against McCain. Where did I lie? I anxiously await

Marxist Ed
Todays Student: slob

....and to utterly ignoring the obvious presence of Osama in Pakistan for that same duration, as Bush has done.

posted by slob

Factually incorrect.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 22, 2008 4:28 PM

Weak and intellectually impotent.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at February 22, 2008 4:30 PM

'06

NEW YORK (CNN) -- President Bush said Wednesday he would order U.S. forces to go after Osama bin Laden inside Pakistan if he received good intelligence on the fugitive al Qaeda leader's location.

"Absolutely," Bush said.

The president made the comments Wednesday in an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

Although Pakistan has said it won't allow U.S. troops to operate within its territory, "we would take the action necessary to bring him to justice."

But Pakistan's president, Gen. Pervez Musharraf, told reporters Wednesday at the United Nations that his government would oppose any U.S. action in its territory.

"We wouldn't like to allow that at all. We will do it ourselves," he said.

>Would you be happy if we just bombarded our way into Pakistan? A country that didn't attack us? Isn't that the old tired worn out left wing talking point you guys love to use in regards to Iraq? Just curious.

Yeah. What I posted...those are just the facts about the man's career.

posted by new gal

Big freakin deal, you posted his voting record, nothing more! Not a drop in the bucket compared to McCain's actual accomplishments.

Olby sucks:

He voted FOR porno on school computers?

Really.

Produce, for all of us reading, the bill that was voted on. A link to it on us.senate.gov will be adequate.

"Big freakin deal, you posted his voting record, nothing more! Not a drop in the bucket compared to McCain's actual accomplishments."

You need to work on your reading comprehension. That's a list of a) voted on and b) authored and c) co-sponsored. You know, like every other senator.

Now, what are McCain's actual accomplishments?

Other than McCain-Feingold?

Mr. Obama was also the sole present vote on a bill that easily passed the Senate that would require teaching respect for others in schools. He also voted present on a measure to prohibit sex-related shops from opening near schools or places of worship. It passed the Senate.

In both of those cases, his campaign said, he was trying to avoid mandates on local authorities.

Filling out a 12-page questionnaire [part 1 of questionnaire, part 2 of questionnaire] from an Illinois voter group as he sought a state Senate seat in 1996, Obama answered “yes” or “no” — without using the available space to calibrate his views — on some of the most emotional and politically potent issues that a public official can confront.

“Do you support … capital punishment?” one question asked.

“No,” the 1996 Obama campaign typed, without explaining his answer in the space provided.

“Do you support state legislation to … ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns?” asked one of the three dozen questions.

“Yes,” was Obama’s entire answer. ... ..

Back in Barack's liberal days he made declarative statements on matters of a woman's civil rights. No. Period. "Present" didn't come to mind. But when he started playing politics, all of a sudden giving conservatives cover became important and he started hedging his principles with "present."

Obama's lack of ideology has bothered me from the start. Now comes a questionaire that outlines his earlier ideology as a die hard liberal. Single-payer health care plans. Banning handguns, which takes my gun owner's breath away. No restrictions on abortions and no parental notification for minors. Where is that Obama today?

Read and weep, new gal. Cry all you want! Hope you're proud of your boy.

Barack Obama Favors Early Release of Sex Offenders From Prison
by Nicholas Wyatt Tuesday, Feb. 12, 2008 at 3:27 PM

Before you vote for Barack Obama read his record ( Barack Obama Exposed ).

The following is from ( Barack Obama Exposed ). On page 12 you will find Obama opposed a bill that prohibited a early release of criminal sex offenders from prison. He wanted to give sex offenders an early out. On page 8 you will find. To require prisoners to pay court costs for frivolous lawsuits. Obama voted no on this bill. To restrict locations of adult business ( Porn Stores, Strip clubs etc. ) and away from schools, public parks, preschools, and churches. Obama did not vote on this bill.

To make schools with minors install software on public computers so students (minors) could not access porn. Obama voted no on this bill.

To allow people to buy hypodermic needles without a prescription. Obama voted yes on this bill.

Obama voted against protecting kids from Internet Porn

Here you go, know it all. (sarcasm)

The Internet filter amendment was attached to bill, HB 1812. This vote was for an amendment requiring schools to block children’s access to illegal porn as defined by state law: child porn, obscenity and harmful materials. It passed in the Senate (with Obama voting “NO”) and went onto the House where it failed.

Would you be happy if we just bombarded our way into Pakistan? A country that didn't attack us? Isn't that the old tired worn out left wing talking point you guys love to use in regards to Iraq? Just curious.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 22, 2008 9:53 PM

No, I wouldn't be happy. I had merely stated that a "surgical strike" against a "high-value target" based on "actionable intelligence" in whatever country would make more sence than the chaos-farming that the Bushies instigated in Iraq. These are, after all, what made the invasion of Afghanistan a marginally reasonable enterprise - but one that Bush has failed miserably in bringing to a successful conclusion.

Your childish credence in Bush's declaration to Blitzer that he would "absolutely" pursue bin Laden should shame you; everybody knows that Osama and his Al Qeada henchmen have been holed up in the northern tribal districts of Pakistan, and that Bush has repeatedly admitted that he "doesn't think that much about him", and "doesn't spend that much time on him", while he has overseen the demolition of such civil society as once existed in Iraq.

The fact that Bush is beholden to the Saudis is what keeps him from pursuing their relative; that and the fact that a living "Emmanuel Goldstein" is like money in the bank to an aspiring dictator. The Saudis are quite pleased that Iraqi oil has been essentially off the market for six years, resulting in $100 a barrel for their crude. And they were quite happy to have their unhappy subjects mollified by Bush's total capitulation to bin Laden's post-9/11 demands that the US remove all its military assetts from the Arabian Peninsula, which occurred in 2003.

You people are fucking simpletons who can't reach the simplest conclusions from the most overt evidence.

Banning handguns, which takes my gun owner's breath away. No restrictions on abortions and no parental notification for minors. Where is that Obama today?

Posted by: at February 23, 2008 12:29 AM

I'm an avid hunter and owner of many firearms myself, and I'm not sweating at all. Don't be such a pussy.

First he denied that dumping a trillion dollars in the sand would have a negative effect on our economy, then pinned the implosion on 'we built too many houses'.

Simplistic. Wrong.

Posted by: broadsword at February 22, 2008 9:08 PM

I missed it, but it sound like a classic. If I ran my household on eternally expanding debt the way the Bushies have run this country my family and I would be out on the street in two months, desptite how many extra houses are standing sround.

*hic*

Your childish credence in Bush's declaration to Blitzer that he would "absolutely" pursue bin Laden should shame you; everybody knows that Osama and his Al Qeada henchmen have been holed up in the northern tribal districts of Pakistan, and that Bush has repeatedly admitted that he "doesn't think that much about him", and "doesn't spend that much time on him", while he has overseen the demolition of such civil society as once existed in Iraq.

posted by slob

All opinion, again. You've completey misquoted Bush. I saw him in a interview w/Bret Bair not long ago and he said that there is rarely a day goes by that he doesn't think about capturing OBL.

He voted FOR porno on school computers?

Really.

Produce, for all of us reading, the bill that was voted on.

Posted by: broadsword at February 22, 2008 11:42 PM

>>
Olbyloon Ed

The Internet filter amendment was attached to bill, HB 1812.

This vote was for an amendment requiring schools to block children’s access to illegal porn as defined by state law: child porn, obscenity and harmful materials. It passed in the Senate (with Obama voting “NO”) and went onto the House where it failed.

All opinion, again. You've completey misquoted Bush. I saw him in a interview w/Bret Bair not long ago and he said that there is rarely a day goes by that he doesn't think about capturing OBL.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 23, 2008 1:14 AM

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

"Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.

But once we set out the policy and started executing the plan, he became -- we shoved him out more and more on the margins. He has no place to train his al Qaeda killers anymore. And if we -- excuse me for a minute -- and if we find a training camp, we'll take care of it. Either we will or our friends will. That's one of the things -- part of the new phase that's becoming apparent to the American people is that we're working closely with other governments to deny sanctuary, or training, or a place to hide, or a place to raise money."

No, I think I quoted him quite accurately - you find the "don't spend that much time on him" statement at an earlier point in the press conferrence I've linked.

Isn't it interesting that the president declared at this 2002 event that bin Laden and Al Qeada currently had no place to train, hide, or raise money; but that we now six years later are still informed that we are fighting this same enemy with the majority of our military capability, at a cost of billions per month?

How is it that so many of my countrymen have let themselves become so cowardly as to concede to the spooky warnings from these confidence men?

....remember; Osama was a "marginalized" has-been when Bush/Cheny had Iraq and Saddam to attack and to fuel their "two-minute hates". Saddam and his demon sons are dead now for several years; and Osama's back as an existential threat to the most powerful nation the world has ever seen.

Bush has repeatedly admitted that he "doesn't think that much about him", and "doesn't spend that much time on him",

posted by slob

I see neither. If they were there it seems you would have posted them, right?

Rico @ 9:59 AM:

"Mike
"American Exceptionalism" means that we are the most powerful & important nation in the world, and, therefore, have unique responsibilities. Do you deny that this is so?"

Yes Rico, I absolutely deny that "this is so".

We USED to be the most powerful and important country in the world, but we have squandered that coveted position some time ago.

The handwriting has been on the wall for some time, but People on your side just refuse to read it.

The "most powerful and important country in the world" would have never allowed itself to become strapped with so much international debt that it cannot even finance it's own international interventionist military adventures.

Tell me Rico, do you run your own household with ever increasing debt and dependence? Assuming the answer is "no", then why are you so supportive of your country trying to run IT'S affairs (as well as the world's) in the that manner?

The last time I felt great pride in anything my government had accomplished was when we had FINALLY managed to balance the national budget in the late 1990's. But for reasons that have left me baffled, the republicans not only did not share that pride, they could not wait until we sank ourselves into hopeless fiscal irresponsibility once again....and then elected a nincompoop who virtually assured that it would happen.

Before that, I used to feel great pride in America's great manufacturing base, which was the reason we prevailed in WWII. How far do you think we could go with today's almost nonexistant manufacturing base?

I have wondered for years how an economy that consumes, but doesn't really make or offer anything to the rest of the world is actually sustaining itself? Unfortunately, the answer to that question appears to be lurking just around the corner.....as we helplessly watch the dollar's steady fall on the international market.

Rico, if you want to know who is REALLY "the most powerful and important country" in today's world, let me give you a hint; It's name starts with a "C", and it ends with an "A".

If you don't believe me, get back with me in another ten or twenty years.

"I see neither, If they were there you would have posted them, right?"

It seems that you are perfectly fine with paraphrasing, but only as long as you are the one doing the paraphrasing.

Noted, Olby sucks, that you failed to tell the whole story, now didn't you:

REALITY:

THE FILTER WAS NOT A WORKABLE SOLUTION: "Dissenters [of HB 1812] argued that the filters don't work well and would prevent students from reading some mainstream material from the state Department of Public Health that's available on the Internet." [State Journal-Register, 5/14/99]

REQUIRES INCREASED STATE SPENDING:

SEN. BERMAN (D)- School districts are already doing this, and making it a state mandate would require the state to pick up the tab for what should be a local expenditure (including paying for staff to monitor this.) [Senate Transcript, 5/13/99]

VOTED TO REQUIRE LIBRARIES TO INSTALL INTERNET PORNOGRAPHY FILTERS:

Voted for a bill which would require libraries to install Internet pornography filters on any computers that minors use. The bill requires public libraries to equip computers used by minors with software that seeks to prevent minors from gaining access to explicit sexual materials or obtain Internet connectivity from a service provider that providers filter services.

Sen. Kirk Dillard, R-Hinsdale, said the measure would not stop adults from viewing what they want in libraries. But libraries would have to keep young people off computers that adults use. [Associated Press, 5/29/02] [92nd GA, HB 1215, 5/29/02, 3R P; 47-10-0 (BO: Y)]

SUPPORTED TOUGHER LAWS AGAINST CHILD PORNOGRAPHY:

Voted to require the forfeiture of a computer that contains child pornography. [92nd GA, HB 229, 5/2/01, 3R P; 56-0-0] [P.A. 92-0175, 7/27/01]

SPONSORED BILL REQUIRING COMPUTER CHILD PORNOGRAPHY REPORTING:

Chief Senate sponsor of child pornography bill requiring Internet service provider or person who services or repairs computers who observes a computer image depicting person under 18 years old performing certain sexual acts to report that to the appropriate law enforcement agency immediately. [93rd GA; HB 0014; 2002; Referred to Rules 4/16/03]

VOTED FOR STRICTER EMPLOYEE ACCOUNTABILITY:

Voted to eliminate as an affirmative defense to child pornography the fact that the defendant committed the offense in the course of his or her employment at a public library or library operated by an accredited institution. [90th GA, SB 1217, 4/1/98, 3R P; 57-0-0] [P.A. 90-0678, 7/31/98]

So, to me, it looks like you're full of shit.

I see neither. If they were there it seems you would have posted them, right?

Posted by: olby sucks at February 23, 2008 2:36 AM

You're a fucking douchebag. I hate that my country is being ruined by stupid little pussilanimous fucksticks like you. If you cannot find these specific quotes in the transcript I posted- and if you can lose the entire point of my argument while you pointlessly hunt for them - then you are simply too big an idiot to waste any more time on.

To a conservative, it's that simple..."he hates puppies, and enjoys bbq-ing them, and eating them with hotsauce in a bizzare Muslim puppy-eating ritual, first created by his true leader, Michael Jackson'.

You people are beneath contempt.

Tell me, what's more likely to be true?

McCain is actually in bed with lobbyists, or Obama is pro child pornography?

You know what's funny? When you people complain about smear.

Oh, and better a know-it-all than an knows-absolutely-fucking-nothing, Olbysucks.

And while I'm at it, better a 'tax-and-spend Liberal', than a 'borrow-a-trillion-from-the-Chinese-and-spend even-more-than-that Conservative'.

Oh, wait...that's not even the size of it:

Better a 'tax-and-spend Liberal', than a 'borrow-a-trillion-from-the-Chinese-to-give-my-rich buddies-a-tax-break-while-we're-at-war-creating-a de-facto-tax-increase-because-the-interest-on-that-debt-isn't-fucking-zero -and-we-have-to-pay-it-back-but-that's-ok-because-if-taxes-do-go-up-it'll-be-on -the-backs-of-the-poor-and-shrinking-middle-class Conservative'

I see neither. If they were there it seems you would have posted them, right?

Posted by: olby sucks at February 23, 2008 2:36 AM

...but I will waste a little more time just to force feed this credulous infant proof of his intellectual weakness and dishonesty:

"So I don't know where he is. You know, I just don't spend that much time on him, Kelly, to be honest with you."

"And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Now, will you address the fact - demonstrated by your fetish/president's own irresponsible words - that Osama was intentionally allowed the time to regroup and build his little criminal organization to a point at which Bush/Cheney could use them once again to justify the expensive and eternal "war-footing" that is crippling our country?

...or are you going to assert like a petulant little twat that I didn't post a quote with the word "think" in it? I predict the latter.

And while I'm at it, better a 'tax-and-spend Liberal', than a 'borrow-a-trillion-from-the-Chinese-and-spend even-more-than-that Conservative'.

Posted by: broadsword at February 23, 2008 10:38 AM

...don't forget the Saudis. Bush has made them our 21st century landlords as well.

Mike,

China? You gotta be kidding me, man. Yes, there are over a billion people there, and their economy is growing. But to say that they are more powerful and important than us, or are about to be, is absurd.

When the budget got balanced one year that was a bizarre anamoly. Yes, the Republican congress and Bubba managed to balance it one year. But that is not the norm for government. Are you predicting that the Democrats and Obama would balance it? Don't hold your breath. Did FDR or JFK or Abe Lincoln ever balance the federal budget? I doubt it. And perhaps you should run the numbers and see what percentage of the federal budget is "entitlements", and how much entitlements increase every decade. It would make you faint. As to who the government owes the debt to, I am not an expert in the world of finance, and don't know if we would be much better off if the US owed the money to only US institutions.

Yes, our manufacturing base ain't what it used to be. I'm with you on this one, but just about everybody else, Democrats and Republicans, have signed off to approve of outsourcing of manufacturing.

Getting back to "American exceptionalism", do you even want the US to be the most important and powerful country in the world? I'm sure a lot of Democrats wish we could be small and unimportant, like Belgium.

Remember that it is not our fault if other nations grow and prosper, and thus, become more powerful and important than they used to be. While they are doing so, we are doing so, too. Even with Iraq.

Remember that it is not our fault if other nations grow and prosper, and thus, become more powerful and important than they used to be. While they are doing so, we are doing so, too. Even with Iraq.

Posted by: Rico at February 23, 2008 11:11 AM

How deluded can one American citizen be?

China is operating now in a way that Alexander Hamilton successfully demanded from his America; they are protecting and fostering crucial domestic industries with strict tariffs and carefully considered trade imballances that are promoting their own sustainable ability to produce high-end automobiles, electronics, etc.

Meanwhile; your self-interested corporate masters (I will firmly place the Clintons in this category along with the Bush cabal) have pushed on this country a fictional paradigm of "free trade" which enriches themselves at the cost of American labor and productivity. To boost up the resulting shortfalls in revenue, social systems, and infrastructure, we borrow like there's no tomorrow - borrow the same money we pour into the shitty goods produced in China and the oil we crave from the Middle East.

This money should be cycled into the labor and manufacturing bases of the US economy, where it would nourish and strengthen our country; instead, average Americans are made debtors into the interminable future while unpatriotic profiteers skim personal fortunes off of the short-sighted transactions - and more clever nations like China and Saudi Arabia take the position of "core" to our new status of "periphery".

Its banana republic economics pure and simple - you can read all about it in Adam Smith's chapters on colonialism and mercantilism.

Its banana republic economics pure and simple - you can read all about it in Adam Smith's chapters on colonialism and mercantilism.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at February 23, 2008 12:06 PM

I'm guessing your marxism books are neatly filed in between these books?

Noted, Olby sucks, that you failed to tell the whole story, now didn't you:

REALITY:

posted by desperate olbyloon

You asked me to post the bill which was voted on. I did exactly that. Now, firmly place your head back in the sand.

Stop the tivo! Olbypocrisy Alert! Was it a flaccid non-apology when Al Sharpton--on MSNBC--said "if I offended Mormons with the misuse of my words, I would apologize"? Or how about Chris Matthews: "If I offended anybody, I'm sorry"? Oh and most delicious of all, your very own Slippery Shuster: "To the extent that people feel I was being pejorative, I apologize for that." We're waiting for you to do three days of resignation demands on these people, Olbercrite!

I'm guessing your marxism books are neatly filed in between these books?

Posted by: olby sucks at February 23, 2008 12:29 PM

My "marxism books"? Can't you name one of these supposed volumes? You're a pedant, and you clearly display your ignorance and inability to reason with each and every post. .

Don't any of you righties have a brain? Can't even one of you address directly the economic and national-security arguments I've laid out in my series of posts on this thread?

Its very depressing to engage in what one thinks are serious ideological discussions, and to get in return only short, irrelevant brain-farts from witless adversaries.

Olby sucks:

He voted FOR porno on school computers?

Really.

Produce, for all of us reading, the bill that was voted on.

Posted by: broadsword at February 22, 2008 11:42 PM

The Internet filter amendment was attached to bill, HB 1812.

This vote was for an amendment requiring schools to block children’s access to illegal porn as defined by state law: child porn, obscenity and harmful materials. It passed in the Senate (with Obama voting “NO”) and went onto the House where it failed.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 23, 2008 1:18 AM

You're a fucking douchebag.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at February 23, 2008 10:32 AM

Oh, and better a know-it-all than an knows-absolutely-fucking-nothing, Olbysucks.

Posted by: broadsword at February 23, 2008 10:34 AM

Ask and ye shall receive, my friend, slob.

www.marxist.com/marxist-books.htm

Can't even one of you address directly the economic and national-security arguments I've laid out in my series of posts on this thread?

Ask and ye shall receive, my friend, slob.

www.marxist.com/marxist-books.htm

Posted by: karl marx at February 23, 2008 1:25 PM

I didn't ask for this, dipshit. I was merely commenting on your pathetic attempt to avoid the issues I presented with your tangential and gratuitous referrence to "marxism books". Man, it must suck to be so stupid and incapable of supporting your own declared positions.

If you had one ounce of dignity you would shut the fuck up and start reading some books.

Can't even one of you address directly the economic and national-security arguments I've laid out in my series of posts on this thread?

Posted by: this is olbermannwatch.com at February 23, 2008 1:27 PM

...so the answer to my question is a resounding "no".

I am quite sure the marx website is already on your favorites list, right? How many of his books have you read? Just curious.

Regarding HB 1812

Obama's Legislative Record As It Deals With Pornagraphy

RHETORIC: "Obama Voted Against Making It Harder For Children To Access Pornography On School Computers. Obama voted against a bill to require schools to equip computers with software that seeks to prevent minors from gaining access to explicit sexual material through internet connectivity. (HB 1812: Senate Floor Third Reading, Passed 38-18-3, May 13, 1999, Obama voted Nay.)" [NRSC]
"Opposed Protecting Our Children from Pornography. Opposed and voted against requiring schools and libraries to install special software on computers that would prevent explicit sexual materials through the internet from being viewed by children." [The Truth About Obama.org]

REALITY:

THE FILTER WAS NOT A WORKABLE SOLUTION: "Dissenters [of HB 1812] argued that the filters don't work well and would prevent students from reading some mainstream material from the state Department of Public Health that's available on the Internet." [State Journal-Register, 5/14/99]

from http://mail.aurora.edu/~dbasener/PeaceAndSocialJustice/obamaRecord.html

will elaborate later

Spin all you want, it is what it is.

Spin all you want, it is what it is.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 23, 2008 2:12 PM

hate nuances? figures.

SLOB,

It seems that your boy, the Messiah, Barack Obama, has made the acquaintence of some terrorists, namely Bernardine Dohrn and William Ayers of the Weather Underground. For you kids, the Weather Underground, circa 1970, was plotting to blow up America. These two are unrepentent, and are only sorry that they got caught. Because leftist dingbat rules govern our criminal justice system, these two are free to walk the streets. Of course, all people on the left are allies with each other. Probably Obama would say that "they meant well, but were just a little over the top".

Your thoughts on this, SLOB.

Huh? 30+ years ago Obama may have had some acquaintance with a terrorist group? OH NO!

Tell you what, Rico,

I know it must be a temptation to change the subject when you find yourself unarmed for an argument, but lets finish the discussion about China and Free-trade fundamentalism before we switch gears onto Barack Obama's rollodex.

...my last post in this regard was:
Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at February 23, 2008 12:06 PM

Be afraid everyone! A Wolf is at the door! Quick, someone check anything that may have ANY sort of connection to the WUO.
The Weather Channel, you're first. See, you have "weather" in your name therefore could be a terrorist organization.

Remember folks: this applies to anyone you've ever had an acquaintance with or if your middle name happens to be the last name of a certain dictator. barack HUSSEIN obama. Get it? Get it? Good.

olby sucks, did you used to post as royal king?

I've asked this SIMPLE question several times now and you've never given a straight answer.

Thanks in advance.

From the Obama campaign:

"Sen. Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence," said Obama’s press secretary, Bill Burton. "But he was an 8-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost 40 years ago is ridiculous."

I am not clear on the partiulars of the prosecution or the lack thereof of these two individuals, but it does appear that they are free and somewhat influentual in American society today. You suggest that this reflects the utter corruption of our system of justice, which opens many cans of worms.

For instance, I could likewise assert to you that Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and George W. Bush are not currently incarcerated for their illegal usurpation of the constitution because of a broken justice system, much in the same way that Bush family friend and right-wing Cuban terrorist Luis Posada Carrilles - the murderer of 76 Cuban, Guyanese, North Korean, and Venezuelan airline passeners in 1976 - is free in Florida and safe from extradition.

Perhaps you're on to something.

Robert Cox, could you please ban Sir Loin of Beef, Trent, and Broadsword today?

This site runs so much better when only olby sucks/rk, sharon, cecelia and cee post.

I HATE coming on here and reading bad stuff that makes those guys look stupid; and its happening a lot lately.

Please, for the good of this site, excersize some censorship again.

olby sucks, did you used to post as royal king?

I've asked this SIMPLE question several times now and you've never given a straight answer.

Thanks in advance.

olby sucks, did you used to post as royal king?

I've asked this SIMPLE question several times now and you've never given a straight answer.

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: ow observer at February 23, 2008 2:55 PM

Why don't you ask royal king? He made a post on one of the other threads asking for mike to be banned. You're welcome, in advance.

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SLOB,

You have conveniently forgotten that I have stated in the past that I am not a free trader.

So the Messiah "strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group...". That is special. But does he condemn the people who committed those acts? Hanging out with a couple of them makes me think the answer to that question is "Nope". SLOB, do you condemn the acts of Al Qaeda but not OBL personally?

What else could he mean? The answer is obvious to a clear thinker.

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Posted by Olby Sucks @ 2:55 PM when asked if he is the former "Royal king":

"Why don't you ask Royal King. He made a post on one of the other threads asking for mike to be banned. You're welcome, in advance."

Oh he did, did "he"? And on what grounds did "Royal King" make that request?

Didn't I read a post by J$ noting that R Cox had threatened to ban anyone who requested that someone else be banned?

Since "Olby Sucks" and "Royal King" very much ARE the same poster, that would include both of them, wouldn't it?

What else could he mean? The answer is obvious to a clear thinker.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 23, 2008 5:39 PM

rk, please tell us exactly WHEN it is appropriate to paraphrase, and when it is necessary to parse every word in a statement as you did earlier with SLOB.

It is exhausting dealing with your constant shifting of the rules, so please outline the parameters. Thanks.

First, Mike, I believe that Bob said he would ban anyone who complained about deletions and banning.

Second, I saw that comment and I am certain that that was neither RK or OS. Having been a regular at OW for quite a while you know that some of these clowns will hijack anyone's name to say some of the worst things and you have been hijacked in the past just as Cee, Sharon, Cecelia, J$, R Cox, RK, SLOB, Phony Soldier and I.

Do you think that either RK or OS would ask someone to be banned b/c he is tired of reading any opposing opinions. If ypo fell for that perhaps you wanted to believe it was true.

Grammie

Posted by: Mike at February 23, 2008 10:55 PM

Sounds like Mike wants RCox to ban him from this site for good.

Maybe he'll contact your ISP and get them to forgoe your $50/month at his request.

Maybe he'll even get your cell phone service cancelled too.

Keep it up and he'll make you explain your posts to your boss, effectively getting you fired.

After that he'll call your wife and explain to her just what you are doing with your spare time.

When he's done with that he will call your landlord and get you evicted. If you own a home he will call your mortgage company and insist they revoke your mortgage.

If you persist from there he will have no choice but to call the authorities and have you arrested, convicted, and made to serve 15-20 years in the federal pen.

Don't believe me?
Try him.

He said so himself on this very site last week. I know Robert to be a man of his word. He don't take no shit from no one.
You'll wind up a convicted criminal serving 20 years with no home, no wife, no job, no cell phone, no internet, and worst of all, banned from this site forever.

So, go on tough guy.
Just give him a reason.

Robert, please get rid of mike too.
I'm tired of this nitwit's opposing views.

Posted by: royal king at February 21, 2008 9:49 PM

Here you go, asswipes. The above post was not me. Who wants to put their money where their traps are? That's what I thought.

Second, I saw that comment and I am certain that that was neither RK or OS.

Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at February 23, 2008 11:13 PM

Grammie, do you REALLY believe rk is not os?
He is, and it is plain to see. I thought you were fairly intelligent.

If you don't believe me why don't you ask him. He surely wouldn't lie to you.

rk, please tell us exactly WHEN it is appropriate to paraphrase, and when it is necessary to parse every word in a statement as you did earlier with SLOB.

It is exhausting dealing with your constant shifting of the rules, so please outline the parameters. Thanks.

Oh, mike, 11:18 is one of yours. Makes you proud to be an olbyloon huh?

Posted by: at February 23, 2008 11:06 PM

Need I remind you loons of the whole "did we blink" arguement that mike drug out for 3 days?

Puck sucks dick regularly. I know Puck sucks dick, because olby sucks told me so. olby sucks claims that Puck gives the best head in town.

Posted by: michael at February 23, 2008 11:02 PM

See this mike? Don't make a peep. He's one of your water packers.

Chicken Blogger, why are you now criticizing me for not doing what I was so roundly criticized and insulted for doing in the past, name who I thought was posting under multiple names.

You do remember all the accusations of mental disorders to anyone who would object to the same posters using three or four dozen different names plus frequently using Chicken Blogger.

I have seen a few comments from "RK" since Bob opened the windows and pushed out the vultures who were fouling OW but none of them sounded like RK to me and I believe his name was hijacked. There is a great deal of precedent for that and RK was definitely one of the more popular targets of the hijackers..

OS definitely has the same style and tone as RK. Quite a few have already made the observation that they think OS is RK and I agree.

One other observation is that the genuine RK dropped out and then OS appeared. Considering the fact that some of us detected some thinly veiled threats against RK and the absolutely obscene porographic language used to and about him I wouldn't consider it unreasonable for him to start with a new name during the over haul that is taking place.

Grammie

worth reposting:

Posted by: Mike at February 23, 2008 10:55 PM

Sounds like Mike wants RCox to ban him from this site for good.

Maybe he'll contact your ISP and get them to forgoe your $50/month at his request.

Maybe he'll even get your cell phone service cancelled too.

Keep it up and he'll make you explain your posts to your boss, effectively getting you fired.

After that he'll call your wife and explain to her just what you are doing with your spare time.

When he's done with that he will call your landlord and get you evicted. If you own a home he will call your mortgage company and insist they revoke your mortgage.

If you persist from there he will have no choice but to call the authorities and have you arrested, convicted, and made to serve 15-20 years in the federal pen.

Don't believe me?
Try him.

He said so himself on this very site last week. I know Robert to be a man of his word. He don't take no shit from no one.
You'll wind up a convicted criminal serving 20 years with no home, no wife, no job, no cell phone, no internet, and worst of all, banned from this site forever.

So, go on tough guy.
Just give him a reason.

11:59 you're a scumbag, but, I'm quite sure your mother reminds you of this fact on an hourly basis. Are you proud of the fact that you hold the record of having the most posts deleted?

OLbysucks: "Need I remind you loons of the whole "did we blink" arguement that mike drug out for three days?"

Yes, I was making a case against paraphrasing.

BTW, It takes more than one to drag out an argument.

So, go on tough guy.
Just give him a reason.

Posted by: olby sucks at February 23, 2008 11:18 PM

Sounds like OS has a man-crush on Cox. You've outlined an excellent civil suit against OW for anyone who might be harrassed in such a way - great work.

OS at 11:59 is a fraud. It will be a great day when this site moves to a new and improved system.

Yes, I was making a case against paraphrasing.

BTW, It takes more than one to drag out an argument.

Posted by: Mike at February 24, 2008 4:41 AM

Funny, it seems to me you were just defending slob for doing what you railed against Johnny for supposedly doing. Don't make me say it, please. Hypo......

Also, slob and mike, thanks for proving you don't have the intelligence enough to see when a loon from your side has jacked my name.

You've outlined an excellent civil suit against OW for anyone who might be harrassed in such a way - great work.

Posted by: Sir Loin of Beef at February 24, 2008 7:45 AM

Oh yea,slob! Call the aclu, I'm sure they will get right on it! They're kinda busy defending terrorists in club gitmo, kicking the boy scouts out of state parks and defending hamas!

Olby Sucks: "Funny, it seems to me you were just defending slob for doing what you railed against Johnny for supposedly doing. Don't make me say it. Hypo......"

The biggest problem with you is that you don't ever seem to know the difference between when someone is "defending" someone else...and when they are simply calling YOU out for your own hypocrisy.

Hint: I wasn't "defending" SLOB's use of paraphrasing at all. I was calling you out for criticizing him for doing it when you do it yourself so often.

"Also, slob and mike, thanks for proving you don't have the intelligence enough to see when a loon from your side has jacked my name."

Ya don't say, shmart guy?

My last post on the subject was at 10:55 PM in response to a reference to me about a post on another thread that I had not even seen.

How the hell do YOU know whose posts I suspect were hijacked...and whose I think were not?

Olby Sucks, you're the LAST person on this site who should be questioning anyone else's intelligence.

Hint: I wasn't "defending" SLOB's use of paraphrasing at all. I was calling you out for criticizing him for doing it when you do it yourself so often.

Posted by: Mike at February 24, 2008 2:09 PM

Nice spin......

"Why don't you ask Royal King. He made a post on one of the other threads asking for mike to be banned. You're welcome, in advance."

Oh he did, did "he"? And on what grounds did "Royal King" make that request?

Didn't I read a post by J$ noting that R Cox had threatened to ban anyone who requested that someone else be banned?

Since "Olby Sucks" and "Royal King" very much ARE the same poster, that would include both of them, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Mike at February 23, 2008 10:55 PM

Robert, please get rid of mike too.
I'm tired of this nitwit's opposing views.

Posted by: royal king at February 21, 2008 9:49 PM

Think before you post, please.

"Think before you post, please."

I've got a better idea.....You should try thinking before you repost please.

I did. Doesn't make you look very "Intelligent" does it?

"Why don't you ask Royal King. He made a post on one of the other threads asking for mike to be banned. You're welcome, in advance."

Oh he did, did "he"? And on what grounds did "Royal King" make that request?

Didn't I read a post by J$ noting that R Cox had threatened to ban anyone who requested that someone else be banned?

Since "Olby Sucks" and "Royal King" very much ARE the same poster, that would include both of them, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Mike at February 23, 2008 10:55 PM

Robert, please get rid of mike too.
I'm tired of this nitwit's opposing views.

Posted by: royal king at February 21, 2008 9:49 PM

See what happens when you shoot your mouth off before you think or know what you are talking about?

Olby sucks: "I did. Doesn't make you look too intelligent, does it."

Well, if it 'doesn't make me look too intelligent", it make YOU look like a blooming idiot.

I've already told you twice I never saw that post when it was originally posted...nor did I comment about it again once it was reposted.

I've already told you twice I never saw that post when it was originally posted.

Posted by mike

Exactly! You shot your mouth off w/out even knowing what I was talking about.

"Exactly! You shot your mouth off w/out even knowing what I was talking about."

As I will do if I feel like it anytime someone brings my name out of the blue with a negative connotation. The fact that I didn't respond again after seeing the original context SHOULD have clued you in to keep your own mouth shut about it and to just move on.

That said, and leaving myself completely out of the equation, .... seeing someone like YOU question the intelligence of people like SLOB and Olbermann, who are both light years ahead of you in that regard, ..... reminds me of my retarted nephew who would be far more impressed watching Big Bird count to one hundred than he would watching Einstein recite his Theory of Relativity.

I'll let that post speak for it's self. Wow!

This thread is now closed!