MSDNC's coverage will be business as usual: Olby and Co. will slobber and pander to the Dem candidate whom MSDNC predicts will win the most Super Tuesday contests. They are fawning over Barack Hussein right now. The returns will dictate how they slant their coverage.

Johnny, I think the loser at 8:33 needs to be exposed. Then banned, again.

Fear not, Mr Cox is keeping an eye on this stuff.

RK, I have no doubt that Mr Cox's eye sees exceedingly small. :)

Grammie

Glug Glug Glug, the Obamanation is drowning. The Clinton crime family is kicking his ass. What happen to all that anti-war vote??? The fun we will have with Hitlery:)

Now Hitlery is call for a debate on Fox News.

Clinton communications director Howard Wolfson just announced that the campaign has accepted a Fox News invitation for a one-on-one debate with Barack Obama in Washington DC on February 11 — the day before the so-called Potomac Primary featuring DC, Virginia, and Maryland. The debate would also air locally on the DC Fox affiliate WTTG.

http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/02/05/team-hillary-accepts-fox-debate-invite/

Can't wait till Olbermann sees this. His head is going to explode.

"A N O N Y M O U S" is also "Mrs. R. Adrian Philby" and "Rudy Ramirez" and "M Schultz" and "Kurt Kissel".

Longtime readers will recall that Kurt Kissel wrote a year ago: "Well, that's it. Good-bye to this Blog forever. I am sick of the puerile, Junior High School locker room filth. It isn't witty or clever, and it ceased being at all funny, even in the acne-encrusted sense, by my sophomore year. Enjoy snickering all the way into your respective dotages."

"Kurt" then began posting as "Rudy".

Say goodbye to your 1,146 comments via 66.80.214.50 and say hello to another ban.

How sweeeeet it is!

Grammie

Thanks for continuing to identify all your IP addresses and aliases so I can clean up the comments before I switch blogging software. It's so much easier when you do the work for me!

Let's see "A N O N Y M O U S" also equals 74.196.116.211 which in turn equals "Clucker" and so say goodbye to another 1,257 comments and another banned IP address. Ding!

Great - the fake Royal King. That shows up as "67.159.44.24" and that give me another batch of 18 comments under various aliases to delete.

Thanks again!

What a shame. These oh-so-sincere, upstanding, lovers of ideals and honest debate, are populating cyberspace heaven with their deceased sockpuppets.

Cecelia, do you think a minute of snickering chortling in honor of the not to be missed sockpuppets is in order.

If you think the ceremony would be appropriate I am sure Horshack will be glad to be the official snorting snickerer.

Grammie

Cecelia, do you think a minute of snickering chortling in honor of the not to be missed sockpuppets is in order.

If you think the ceremony would be appropriate I am sure Horshack will be glad to be the official snorting snickerer.

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at February 5, 2008 10:26 PM

Sounds very appropriate, Grammy. And the inscription "I don't like Olbermann either, but you" should be inscribed on all those little cyber tombstones.

I thought philby/clucker/anony was banned some time last week? So was patsy? They both reappeared. Patsy, I won't miss. Philby was articulate and sensible, when she wanted to be. Unfortunately, they were rare occasions. I really think she is bi-polar. One minute she would be calling you every name in the book, the next, she would be inviting you over for drinks. Although, some of us wouldn't be allowed past the back porch, at least we were invited. If I remember correctly, Cecelia was invited in the house while Janet and I were only welcome on the back porch in the cold.....

On another note, how bout Fox News? We got Hume, Kristol and Rove. What a team.

Just flipping in a couple times during the Super Tuesday coverage, and like I said a couple weeks ago, Keith apparently have the ability to be a normal news reader. From what I've watched, him and Hahdbah host Chris Matthews are just talking about what's going on. This makes Keith's crazy antics on his own show even more pronounced.

Makes me wonder, which one is the real Keith and which one is an act? Yes he's Crazy Keith a lot more often, but he knows his audience has about peaked, and he also knows he needs to pander to only them to keep his ratings and, thus, his job.

RK, I think that is the point. They are working to bypass [multiple IPs] any restraints placed on them by even half polite society.

They are not only Trolls but really nasty slimy wiggling TROLLS.

Now say goodnight to all the bad Trolls.

Grammie

RK, I think that is the point. They are working to bypass [multiple IPs] any restraints placed on them by even half polite society.

They are not only Trolls but really nasty slimy wiggling TROLLS.

Now say goodnight to all the bad Trolls.

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at February 5, 2008 10:41 PM

You'd call it adolescent, but that's insulting adolescents.

In your case 10:49 there is no doubt that you are and they point it out for all to see.

Grammie

No.

Their point is showing us what shit head we are.

Posted by: royal king at February 5, 2008 10:49 PM

When you think you have to act like a juvenile delinguent with a personality disorder, in order to "show" someone they're a "shit head", you may have defeated your purpose.

Posted by: [Cecelia] at February 5, 2008 10:54 PM

hahaha, Janet!

Philby, please don't go.

I do enjoy your gentle, verbose put downs.

I do not care for the crass bestiality references from Wasted Keystrokes.

Well... maybe once in a while.

Philby, talk to me you silver tongued devil!

Cecelia, I don't think they are acting. I think they really have mental disorders. Liberalism being foremost, spolbyloons as secondary illnesses.

On another note, Hillary is speaking. "Politics is not about who is up or down." I would gather Bill is backstage begging to differ.......

11:03, thanks for proving my point. Now, put the needle back in your arm.

Good grief... Did Clucker say his wife is a school teacher or that she's HIS school teacher?

Must be another one of those another Mary Jo something or another things.

I hope she's watching. She probably hasn't seen this much childishness since her student teacher days. Could be one more sadness tinged reminder of her youth.

Besides Clucker that is.

We now know that Barak Obamanation is a fraud and a fairy tale. He is going to lose California because of the "undocumented workers". That is very fitting since he has a horrible record on illegal immigration. We at least know we will have a fight with the monster we know, instead of the monster we don't know.

Meanwhile, a very interesting Super Tuesday primary happened tonight that hardly anyone is talking about.

Go Obama!

"That is very interesting since he has a horrible record on illegal immigration."

Who has a good record on illegal immigration?

I am still in AZ so I went to the Biltmore for the McCain victory party. Tucker Carlson is sitting next to me, chewing gum, scribbling on a steno pad.

Who has a good record on illegal immigration?

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 12:41 AM

Translation: doesn't care that his boy wants wide open borders and porn in schools. Not to mention he wants a part time senator to be president.

I repeat.....Who has a 'good' record on illegal immigration?

We already know all about smearmongering.

"Tucker Carlson is sitting next to me, chewing gum, scribbling on a steno pad."

Posted by Robert Coc @ 12:45 PM

Did Tucker offer you a stick of gum?

Mike,

No gum. I was standing behind NBC's camera on the risers in the back of the room when McCain was speaking. I could see the NBC monitor and noticed that they stayed with Obama the entire time. Does anyone know if MSNBC ever reported McCain's speech?b

Weird. I am back "home" and watching CNN. Dana Bash is doing a "stand up" from the McCain event (it's over) and she's standing about 8 feet from where I watched McCain speak. Campaign Carl was there next to Dana Bash but when I was leaving the Biltmore I saw him jump into a waiting car and zoom off.

Did Tucker offer you a stick of gum?
Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 1:20 AM

Can Mike have first dibs before you list it on ebay?

"Does anyone know if MSNBC ever reported McCain's speech?"

Yes, they did`broadcast it live just before Obama's speech.

Here are a few photos I took tonight at the McCain event.

http://tinyurl.com/yoxfy2

Great Thanks writes:

"Makes me wonder, which one is the real Keith and which one is an act? Yes he's Crazy Keith a lot more often, but he knows his audience has about peaked, and he also knows he needs to pander to only them to keep his ratings and, thus, his job."

END QUOTE

Um, no. Countdown is the real deal. Do you think his Speshul Cumments are not from his own beliefs? Do you know what type of idiot is willing to take on the no. 1 cable news host night after night and get his ass kicked?

NBC hasn't fallen completely off Left Falls yet. They see the trend and the loss of revenues. It's damned pathetic to see a left wing loony lesbian and some fag from the DailyKos be given seats on panels and morons like Scarbourough and heel hound Buchanon somehow give them legitamacy.

Someone needs to tell Mathews makeup artist to stop overdoing the spray paint on the top of that bald head. The other night he had a very apparent line of spray across the top of that bald head of his. Talk about your cartoons. His mouth looks live Larry Flynts. It almost looks like he is about to gag at any moment. If I had to sit acros a table and look at Madow and Olbyturd I would probably being gagging as well.

For the political intrigue, last night was good....Clinton and Obama still deadlocked....it continues on......

McCain makes a good sprint to end it, but Romney seems to want to hang in.....especially with the rightwing radio punditry behind him......

And Huckabee insures future relevance, perhaps even putting pressure on McCain to seriously consider VP choices.....

And Olbermann?....I like the fact that he has to continue to dance on the head of a pin with his propaganda.....Kos kiddies want Obama and dislike Hillary but that leftist power structure is a strong pull for lazy sychophants like Olby.....

I love it....and the extra bonus of seeing
Mr. blank-FLUCKER (cue OLD SPICE jingle) banned.....AGAIN!......is icing on the cake.....

Where's Professor Honeydew to make it all even better? I really want to discuss the NJ Democrat Primary results with Mr. tolerance and compassion.....

Mike cries:

"Who has a good record on illegal immigration?"

END QUOTE

One things for sure the party you support places criticizm firmly on George Bush.

When I was in school I worked on my uncle's farm. I made a ton of money back then when they were paying $1.10/hour to about $2/hour working at a filling station. In '77 there were loads of Mexicans passing through on their way to pick fruit in S. FL. Growing up in Nebraska in the early 60's I saw Mexicans by the hundreds that wheat farmers depended on to harvest their wheat. My senior year at FSU farmers were on local TV news crying about their crops dying in teh field because they couldn't hire anyone to pick their crops. In a few months most of the small towns around Tallahassee looked like Tijuana.

It's a moron that thinks this is going to be fixed. It's too late to fix it. It's been going on at least 45 years by my count. All it is now is another tool liberals hang around the neck of Republicans for political gain.

Writes a boy not long slapped off his mommy's tit and now needing something to suck on contemplates if Phil Donahue is right, is he afraid of his own homosexual tendencies when he gets a woody looking at Olbermann:

"With Mr. 9-11 endorsement of McCain, with McCain\'s lead, please, BU$HWIPES, tell us the reasons why real conservatives (ha!) should not support McCain!"

END QUOTE

You and Olbyturd just keep thinking the Republicans are going to fall apart dick lick. You are looking at the next Presisdent of the US.

Just wait till Obama pulls even with the washed up sperm spitoon, then you'll see a party fall apart.

Mike writes:

"Go Obama!"

END QUOTE

Funny. Obama's first cousin, Chucka Sejo, yelled the same thing, GO OBAMA", back in the 60's when Obama was chasing an Ostrich in his leather briefs with spear in hand across the African plains.

Ooooo....there's wannawipe at 8:02 AM.....I know the left wants to ignore the slow destruction of the first serious African-American candidate in American history by the left's ruling elite, but I'm game......

So wanna.....I see some conservatives taking McCain's wins too personally and not using their brains.....All too easy now-a-days.....Even for me, the policy problems with McCain are somewhat substanative but not impossible to overcome....Those being hyperbolic about it are letting their emotions run too high and either will marginalize themselves or change their minds before November....Especially as McCain garners more conservative support after the left's representative is chosen.....Especially if Clinton is the nominee....she is a great galvanizer of moderate/right opposition.....

Your struggle is a little more disturbing though....the machine of Clinton Co. disposing of the black guy with sparkilng eyes and crying fans!......Even using race baiting to destroy him.....wow....what do you think about that situation?

Poor, poor wannawipe....lacks the ability to see reality....

It is Obama v. Clinton in DEMOCRATIC primaries, fool....this means that conservatives and what they say have nothing to do with what is going on with what tactics Clinton Co. is using to defeat the first serious African American candidate for President....

Are you going to blame the right for the adulterous sodomite's own words linking Obama to, (oh my!), Jesse Jackson?

Are you going to blame the right for the adulterous sodomite's wife's words about her being LBJ to Obama's MLK?

Are you going to blame Clinon Co's tactics in trying to win SC on the right?

Are you going to blame the right for exit poll results that show democrats ARE BREAKING DOWN ALONG RACIAL LINES PRIMARILY!.....Whites for Clinton and blacks for Obama?....And are you going to blame the right for the fact that Clinon Co. is using tactics of influence and power over the hispanic constuency to buffer Obama's rising support in the black community?

These FACTS are not the right's concerns....the democratic party is in a struggle OVER RACE! Oh the irony!

Not a strawman, wannawipe....try again.....

Your concern over BUSHWIPES is a strawman....McCain is gaining support, more and more, from rank and file conservatives in the republican party....including my support yesterday (and I am as rightwing as they come...remember I'm a flat-earther fundy?), with only the loud rdaio personalities and usual suspects trying to remain relevant in their personal vidictive against McCain....

Too bad Huckabee is there to mute their impact.....Romney is going to have to concede that he is not the ONLY conservative in the race.....

So wannawipe, worrying about what Rush and Hannity think about McCain is a sad strawman while millions of democrat voters are voting based on RACICAL feelings....

Oh the party of tolerance is a sad fraud!

Here you go, wannawipe....a leftist website has the guts to show the divide that is present in the democrat party electorate....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/05/race-and-to-a-lesser-ext_n_85218.html

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Read the comments....Clinton is seen as a divisive force to Obama's purity and future-looking idealism....AND WHO DOES THE LEFTIST RULING CLASS WANT?.....Billary!

Oh me oh my......The south with all those African-Americans are going for Obama while those scared whites in the northeast and west just can;t be tolerant enough to pull the lever for an African-American!

Do you have a problem voting for Obama, wannawipe?....I really want to know this from your silly leftist friend Professor Honeydew also.....He even voted yesterday here in NJ and we see how the whites went for Hillary!....It won her the state!

Hillary Clinton....what a uniter!

Oh...and one last point, leftist shill wannawipe....

The Democrats may be heading for a big problem with the ruling elite making the final decision on who gets the nomination....

Dems head for messy nomination process

http://www.politico.com/rogersimon/

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With superdelgates going for Billary....the "people" may not matter if there is a close delegate count....

What will Clinton Co. do if it remains close?....They will continue on KNOWING the party power structure is in their pocket!

Another hit against the first serious African-American Presidential candidate in American history.....

Again....as a republican, I would rather have Billary as the nominee....she has a 30-40% negative rating BASELINE from which to build and currently, McCain beats her but loses to Obama nationally.....

But I hate to see racial hatred and fear coming from human beings....and the democrats in the country are simply really letting me down there.....how they could support Billary over Obama?....a majority because the can't vote a black guy?....what a shame!

R E A L I T Y.....the 9:38AM post is more worried about little ol' me, the fundy flat earther who has no problems with a black man for president while the left's primaries show a HUGE gap based on race....

You see, I will not vote for Senators Clinton or Obama based on Martin Luther King's admonition and dream that we all judge people based on their character, not the color of their skin.....They are willing to use American soldiers as political pawns, willing to abandon millions of free people to despotic and hateful radicals half a world away and also intend to take away my freedom to raise my family according to my personal relgious values and convictions.....

character.....morality.....issues....

NOT race or gender......

So try again.....the race baiting is ONLY by the democrats currently BECAUSE IT IS THEIR PRIMARY, fool! How does Phony's behavior impact the behavior of millions of democrat primary voters who are choosing their candidate based on the color of their skin?

Just an early peak at tonight's WPIW, courtesy of a N.Y. Daily News story from the Rush & Malloy column ( http://tinyurl.com/2h4o9j ) that focuses on the other Rush, but gets into a new sniping match between Olby and Glenn Beck:

***

At least Limbaugh has a friend in Glenn Beck. The younger conservative radio star declined to weigh in on Limbaugh's "anal" expulsion Tuesday, which is probably a good thing, considering he's recovering from hemorrhoid surgery. But Beck was happy to fire a few rounds at their mutual enemy, MSNBC's Keith Olbermann.

"[Olbermann] is never brave enough to say his political position on air," contends Beck. Although he's pleased that his latest tome, "An Inconvenient Book" has so far outsold Olbermann's "Truth and Consequences," Beck argues, "I don't care about other hosts. I don't need to throw people under the bus. If I saw Olbermann standing on the subway [platform], I might think for a moment about pushing him, but I wouldn't."

Olbermann responds: "The subway remark summarizes who Glenn is. If he (or anybody else) fell in front of a train, I hope I'd have the courage to emulate Wesley Autry and try to save him."

***

Of course, Olby has that subway phobia thing going, after he says a bump on the head while entering the No. 7 train at the Willet's Point Blvd. station caused him to lose his depth perception and the ability to drive. So since millions of people manage to get on and off the subway each day without cranial damage, the odd are good that rather than Beck pushing or Keith jumping onto the tracks, he'd simply knock himself unconscious again on the platform while trying to get home from Shea Stadium.

And for those leftist apologists.....

Analysis: Diverging paths for two parties

Dems faces potentially divisive race, while GOP could rally around nominee

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23024795/

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The IDEOLOGICAL rift in the republican ranks is expected, fixable and not an issue as divisive as race. The bad feelings between McCain and many conservatives over immigration reform, campaign finance reform and human induced global climate change is not a small problem, but for both sides, future success and influence in the political system will be at stake.....

As McCain gets more popular support from the republican rank and file, which includes the majority of people who read Coulter's books and listens to the radio, the reality of the situation will motivate reconcilliation.

As for the democrats....the RESULT of the process will be in doubt....if Clinton Co. accomplishes to stop Obama from optaining the nomination, history will note the many tactics used by them to defeat the first serious African-American candidate for President....and if a unity ticket is not achieved....negatively....

If it is Clinton/Obama...I still see a good chance for McCain to win because of all of the negative feelings against Clinton.

If Obama manages to rise above Clinton Co. (thank God!) then the democrats have a good chance at winning the election....buit again, the worst in human nature will still be an issue, and many will not vote for him only because he is black.

But like we see in the democratic primary.....these racial prejudices are NOT characteristic of only ONE party.

"Only an asshole would be happy that ANON was banned. He wasn't disrespectful, and it just goes to show that RCox is a dickhead.

Funny how he is banned and yet again Phony Soldier remains. What a bunch of stupid fucking hypocrites.

Posted by: at February 6, 2008 9:44 AM "

Chicken Blogger, it is impossible for a reader to have any idea of you, such as how long you've read/commented on this blog and any idea of your opinions and blog board conduct.

So, how long have you been around this site?

Grammie

You remind me of my mama. How hot an oven, Mom. Oh, hot enough but not too hot.

Have you been here long enough to be aware of all his myriad of names and the type and tone of his comments under those names?

Grammie

I just watched the cartoon, and I think it really is RK! Congrats big guy!

Posted by: Cecelia at February 6, 2008 10:35 AM

I didn't write this.

Translation: doesn't care that his boy wants wide open borders and porn in schools. Not to mention he wants a part time senator to be president.

Posted by: royal king at February 6, 2008 12:56 AM
I repeat.....Who has a 'good' record on illegal immigration?

We already know all about smearmongering.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 1:02 AM

Facts = 'smearmongering' in 'mikes' world.

They comment to complain that they can't comment. Ban Phony Soldier, ban him I say. And wait for him to reappear by getting around the ban. He is a plant and everyone knows it. But his days are numbered. It is merely the death rattle we hear.

Chickenblogger just put a knife in my heart and twisted it, Grammie. He just ruined my perception of you as a sweet old lady.

Well, Chicken Blogger, I am one of those who called Phony to task with no reply or result more than a few times. Unlike some, Phony heeded R Cox's warning enough to stay inbounds just enough it seems to skate by. I, personally, wish he would be banned and all those who used his name to be totally pornagraphic to one of the girls here [Wasted admitted to it].

We obviously have a different take on unacceptable behavior. In my circle bestiality is not normally discussed much less the theme of most our conversations. Surprisingly, we also don't MOO and BAA at each other in place of words. Capon routinely called we three girls [the only ones here as far as I know] sluts, whores, fag hags, slatterns and on and on, something that the men in my life also don't do.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and you obviously feel that Capon has been grieviously wronged while I think he reaped what he sowed.

C'est la vie!

Grammie [NOT the sweet Grammie :) ]

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The future looks bright. Good things come to those who wait.

No Sharon, I don't believe "phoney Soldier" is a plant at all, although I would probably want to believe he was if I were a staunch conservative.

I've been skimming too many of his comments for too long to believe that even a plant would say some of the things that he says.

"Facts + 'smearmongering' in 'mikes' world."

One has to consider the source regarding this comment, ..... which was made by someone naive enough to actually believe the infamous SBVT 527 smears from 2 years ago.

I disagree, Mike. There are too many stereotypes all pushed into one individual. Of course, some comments could be from a real phony soldier and sometimes a name-jacking occurs. In any case, I agree with Grammie's comment of 11:43.

MIKE, I believe they were deleted but perhaps you should check with Wasted using the moniker, Phony Soldier, and what he siad.

Just a suggestion.

Grammie

I've never pictured Janet as being the Mrs. Santa Claus sweet sort of grandmother.

She's the Rosalind Russell "Aunty Mame" sort of grammie.

Sharon and Grammy,

I thought Clucker's comment about some sort of system being needed to keep out the namejackers (which he was simultaneously doing to RK-- but honesty and mental health in general isn't a trademark of these people), and other types of troublemakers, or ...as he put it...the site would be "finished". That was HIS term.

Finishing the site in one sense or another was/is the goal.

It's to totally change the character of the site into a political board dominated by them via harassment and namejacking or to make the site so chaotic as to be the equivalent of graffiti spray painted on a wall.

Those were the choices.

Thank you kindly, Cecelia.

Both the move and the book are in my list of all time favorites.

Grammie

Phony Soldier is a strawman sockpuppet.

Personally, I think his use of the term "ye", is a great touch...

I've been skimming too many of his comments for too long to believe that even a plant would say some of the things that he says.
Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 11:46 AM

As Grammie says, you are entitled to your own opinion, but for you not to conceive Phony as a figment of someone's sick imagination after what has been going on here, you are a little naive. In any case, I hope this all gets resolved soon.

MIKE, Chicken Blogger what is your reaction to Cecelia's comment @ 12:06 PM?

I think she is absolutely right and if R Cox had not finally stepped in and tamped it down this site would be headed to the graveyard.

Also, although not perfect, the site is so much more enjoyable.

Now, if only R Cox could track down and zap the creep who is hijacking just names from my side of the aisle for all the porography that will go a long way to driving all the bad guys out of Dodge.

Or, do you all think that PS is much worse thant the aforementioned "creep"?

Grammie

Who draws the line at offensiveness? I find the term capon offensive.

Then go to another site that is not so offensive and hypocritical in your eyes, since you believe you are so outnumbered and outwitted.

In your circles, is referring to someone as a castarated chicken less offensive than bestiality? That IS what a capon refers to isn't it?

Posted by: at February 6, 2008 12:06 PM

Yes.

As is the term "gelding".

The concentrated and I believe coordinated group effort to harass RK, via namejacking, personas such as "Kip", etc. was absolutely endless and had out of hand to the point that it was something far more than the usual trading of insults.

Who draws the line at offensiveness?

Posted by: at February 6, 2008 12:06 PM

The person who owns the blog, of course.

I think his name is Bob...

First of all, Wasted admitted to the most obvious postings.

OH, but I thought Phony was so far beyond the pale that he could not be topped? You seem to have studied the issue quite well.

"Since that is the case it shows that Phony was not always RK, or J$ couldn't have made the distinction."

But somebody clever enough to get around bans is capable of all sorts of mischief.

First of all, Wasted admitted to the most obvious postings.

Posted by: Sharon at February 6, 2008 12:17 PM

Actually, he was outed by Johnny.

If he was a creation of one of the banned posters he would be banned right now as well.

That is not the case.
Posted by: at February 6, 2008 12:19 PM

What about that bridge you were going to sell?

Don't you know Cecelia, that he purposefully set himself up to be outed?

Registration now! Registration now! Registration now! Registration now!

I am starting my protest...

"MIKE, Chickenblogger, what is your reaction to Cecelia's comment @ 12:06 PM."

Well, first off, I've already said that I disagree that he is a shill and don't know what more I can really say about it. It's something about the angry and insulting responses he made to me when I engaged him. I detected very real anger and loathing that would be difficult to fake.

However, everyone has their own opinion.

As for A N O N Y M O U S and Wasted, I can't tell you how dissapointed I was to hear they were doing what they were apparently doing with other names. They both had articulate, reasoned arguments to offer, I don't understand why they didn't just stick with that.

It also seemed a little odd that they would change names like that when they both HAD to be well aware that they were being monitored by IP addresses.

"In your circles, is referring to someone as a castarated chicken less offensive than bestiality? That IS what a capon refers to isn't it?

Who draws the line at offensiveness? I find the term capon offensive.

Posted by: at February 6, 2008 12:06 PM "

Actually a "capon" is a castrated cockerel [I don't how one could castrate a chicken] and is a perfectly polite word to use in any setting, especially gastronomic circles.

I won't call you "capon" and maybe then you won't call me fag hag, hag, bag, slut, whore, slattern,harpy, witch, bitch and post mini essays of my personal and sexual perversions.

Oh, I will continue to NOT HIJACK names and write disgusting vile pornographic vignettes over them and you might want to take whoever has been doing it for months, and very frequently in the last week, to task

If you can't see a vast difference in degree between "capon" and just the behaviors I enumerated here I am afraid you would not understand the explanation.

Grammie

I don't understand why they didn't just stick with that.

Do some troll research. I don't mean the drive by comments that people find irritating.

And Mike, how many more times do you want to hear that Phony should be banned?

I don't understand why they didn't just stick with that.

It also seemed a little odd that they would change names like that when they both HAD to be well aware that they were being monitored by IP addresses.
Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 12:27 PM

Context from 12:31

"Facts + 'smearmongering' in 'mikes' world."

One has to consider the source regarding this comment, ..... which was made by someone naive enough to actually believe the infamous SBVT 527 smears from 2 years ago.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 11:50 AM

I posted the links to your boys voting record in regards to keeping porno available on school pc's, his part time record in the senate, etc. The "source" was from gov't websites. Keep your hands over your eyes, though. It's very telling.

If you can't see a vast difference in degree between "capon" and just the behaviors I enumerated here I am afraid you would not understand the explanation.

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at February 6, 2008 12:27 PM

Refer to your troll information. I think this one is getting a little too chubby right now.

I did not follow the events of yesterday because of the kids. Where do things stand? Will it be speshul comment time tonight for Olbermann? I did see that Rove was a commentator as well as Harold Ford, Jr.

"And Mike, how many more times do you want to hear that Phony should be banned?"

Huh!.....I'd really rather not be discussing the subject at all. I haven't requested that anyone be banned. However, the question about why he is still allowed to post is a ligitimate one in my mind.

However, it's not my blog.

I often read the blue blogs Eschaton and Hullabaloo.

I don't post there, just read the blogs and the comments. I particularly enjoy Digby who writes Hullabaloo. I don't agree with a thing he writes, but he's a smart guy, worth reading.

I'm often HIGHLY offended by the stuff I read on those blogs. However, I can't imagine making trouble for anyone there or demanding that the blog owner operate his blog in any fashion other than the one he wishes. An internet blog is not a television "news show" ostensively covering and analyzing a complete picture of politics. A blog is a privately owned space.

If I did post at Hullabaloo or Eschaton and was asked to leave by Duncan Black or Digby, I'd go in an instant. I'd even feel a bit embarrassed to have been asked.

I'm not perfect as anyone can see, but I believe that my emotions here are those of normal adults and shared by lots of others here, even the people who get the most flak from the leftists here-- RK, The Factor, Cee.

The troubling thing here is that these normal adult emotions are the thing that make us vulnerable "sheep" to some people. They are to be exploited.

It doesn't matter how much you want the govt to do for people, if you have this sort of mentality, you're not a good person.

"PLEASE.
First of all, Wasted admitted to the most obvious postings. He never denied what he did.

Secondly, Phony was posting for eons out here before anyone namejacked him, as evident by his still-posted replies. If it was Wasted the whole time Phony would not be allowed to post now and his old posts would be removed.

Remember when RK cried to J$ to find out who the phony Phony was? It was WK. He never changed his IP to post as Phony.
Since that is the case it shows that Phony was not always RK, or J$ couldn't have made the distinction.

Just keep believing what you want. RCox is a standup guy. He will do what is right.
Let me know if you want to buy a bridge too.

Posted by: at February 6, 2008 12:14 PM "

I rest my case for me without offering any defense other than your very own words.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I used that most offensive taboo word CAPON.

However, I have never used any name but my own [unlike Wasted who did many times yet is still free of guilt]

Like Wasted I have always used the same IP.

The defense rests.

Grammie

Sharon, point taken one post too late.

Cecelia, I do that that on quite a few blogs also.

I usually laugh or cry based on the comments.

Grammie

I was going to tell you that I hope you rested your case after Cecelia's comment and not before.

Wasted had no trouble posting under another ISP the other day, so the issue of consistent ISPs proves nothing.

I also think there are composite figures/aliases that are shared among our "friends" here.

It's been interesting to me to read about online trolls-- the psychology, the methods, etc. and that they are universally disliked and their methods disdained.

We aren't the first online community to criticize this sort of behavior to say the least.

When you hear this nonsense of about "obsession with names", what you're really hearing is the argument of "I'll engage in sockpuppet and strawman sockpuppet aliases as a tactic in debate and discussion and you'll like it!....

But I can't find a reference to any online group that HAS liked it. That HAS tolerated, ignored it, etc. It is NEVER regarded as anything but disruptive and dishonest.

Know THAT, the next time one of these morons tell you that you're too hung-up on names.

It also seemed a little odd that they would change names like that when they both HAD to be well aware that they were being monitored by IP addresses.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 12:27 PM

One word, braindead.

If you can't see a vast difference in degree between "capon" and just the behaviors I enumerated here I am afraid you would not understand the explanation.

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at February 6, 2008 12:27 PM

Exactly

Why don't they make their own website and create their own adversaries? Then they could draw in unsuspecting trolls and what a spectacle that would be! Troll v. Troll. The smackdown.

Cecelia, the trolls sure have been working hard to get back in and squeal and howl like stuck pigs about the vicious unfair treatment from that meanie R Cox. snif, snif.

Personally, I think it has been fun!

Oh well, different strokes for different folks.

Grammie

I was going to tell you that I hope you rested your case after Cecelia's comment and not before.
Posted by: Sharon at February 6, 2008 12:48 PM

Oops, I didn't step on anyone's argument, did I?

I'm a bit on the hyperverbal side... :D

OW Post of the Month!

"Why don't they make their own website and create their own adversaries? Then they could draw in unsuspecting trolls and what a spectacle that would be! Troll v. Troll. The smackdown.

Posted by: Sharon at February 6, 2008 12:59 PM "

Grammie

I might even be willing to pay to see that.

Why don't they make their own website and create their own adversaries? Then they could draw in unsuspecting trolls and what a spectacle that would be! Troll v. Troll. The smackdown.

Posted by: Sharon at February 6, 2008 12:59 PM

hahahaha! I see a Why- Patsy intellectually challenged tag-team, with Clucker the manipulating manager... :D

Oh, well, I'm going to get back to ragging on some Keith Olbermann!

It's a thankless task, but I think we're all up for it... :D

On cue... :D

Did you watch any of the coverage last night?

Do you see Bovine as the poor, retarded, snot snorting kid that the meannies like to pick on?

Posted by: Now you are hallucinating too, Cecelia? at February 6, 2008 1:09 PM

Patsy, I'm going to say something here and I want you to take it to heart and remember that I liked and defended you for several years around here.

You need to hear this and listen and know that I have at heart, your best interests, and that of everyone else too.

Patsy, dear.... Shut up.

Sharon, I think we might be able to market your idea to WWE Raw.

Imagine the hay they could make with the bunch of losers we have rattling around here.

Hornswoggle and The Chairman would be in hog heaven.

Grammie

hahahahaha!

PPV?

Maybe I could get on The Big Idea show if this thing catches on, t-shirts, cups, bumper stickers, you know, maybe with a few new ideas. MAybe a partnership with the troll dolls of the 80's?

Oh, my god that's brilliant, Sharon!

Don't forget a few sockpuppets for the kids too.

to see his rants deleted so rapidly.

I knew i liked this site and it is worth fighting for.

We Angels Rule and the Trolls drool!

Grammie

knew i liked this site and it is worth fighting for.

We Angels Rule and the Trolls drool!

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at February 6, 2008 1:29 PM

You guys are killing me today! I wish I hadn't had so much coffee! :D

I've "got to go" in more ways than one... I've got coc au vin to make.

Bye, Angels!

Have to sign off for a bit.

Me too. I have an appointment.

This was fun.

How about we get together and do it again sometime.

Grammie

Just thought it was good news.....

Keith Olbermann continues to bleed viewers.....

On Monday he was THIRD place in the key demo and nearly last in total at 8pm.....

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/the_scoreboard_monday_feb_4_76792.asp#more

###
poor Keith....the kos kids' buddy will have to change his tune to turn this around!

Cee,

I'd wager that we'll see more criticism of Olbermann's dual role after the election is over.

He's a "useful idiot" right now, but look for a bit of CYA feigned moral indignation among media analysts when he's less needed.

A nice spoof by Michael Strahan @

http://video.wnbc.com/player/?id=214308

Grammie

Oh and one more thing...The Dixie Chicks were in the top 10 of female money makers in 2007.
So much for the "boycott !"
Too damn funny !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at February 6, 2008 6:23 PM

You follow the ends of outs of this silliness and then call other people "old lady"?

Damn, boy, you're worse than a groupie or crazed sports fan... :D

'why' is right on top of things, I see. She's only 2 days behind, old news that nobody cares about.

Let me report the latest breaking news from Dr. Weiners.

http://prosites-prs.homestead.com/

more old news that nobody cares about.

Bobo, if only you had informed me sooner of the prowress of The Dixie Chicks and The Boss I would have changed my entire philosophy of life.

The arguments from a Jesuit pale in comparison to the weight that those carry.

I know how upset you get when others don't agree with your analysis and opinions so before I put my foot in it, do I like brocolli?

Grammie

Here's 'whys' claim to fame. Defending America haters, tdf and (*)[+]-----. Brilliant!

Wow! Newsbusters has video of FNC's Shep Smith going ballistic over Naomi Wolf making what's become the requisite slam at Fox by liberal guests.

Newsbusters has had several videos of different libs doing that and seems to be the way they can get FNC's big viewing audience and not antagonize the Kos Kids.

Smith seems be a bit fed-up with that, to say the least.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2008/02/06/shep-smith-hits-back-naomi-wolf-bashing-
fox-news

Johnny's got the video too at http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/blog/jdp.html

I've never seen anything quite like it!

SHIT! YEAH!

Defending America haters, tdf and (*)[+]-----. Brilliant!
Posted by: royal king at February 6, 2008 7:01 PM

This is one of my original catch phrases!
I have another one, but Phony BU$HWIPE Laura stole it from me.

"LBRULS HATE AMERICA"

That's right folks! It came from me, you ol' pal royal king.

I love Shep, especially when he has reached his BS saturation point. Thanks for the link. KO should take some anchoring and interviewing lessons from him.

Cecelia, I saw that during lunch today. He tore that Algore lover a new one!

"Here's why's claim to fame. Defending America haters."

"America Hater": Someone who calls other Americans with differing opinions "America haters".

"He tore that Algore lover a new one."

"Algore lover": Someone who cares about the environment and wants future generations to enjoy it too.

I love Shep, especially when he has reached his BS saturation point. Thanks for the link. KO should take some anchoring and interviewing lessons from him.

Posted by: ktt at February 6, 2008 7:17 PM

ktt, I'm not familiar with Shep, but I might have to start watching now. :D

I suspect he may make the WPITW segment tonight. Especially if the video has been linked on a Blue Blog or at TVNewer.

Yes, the video of Shep Smith lighting into Naomi Wolfe is on TVNewser.

Shep Smith silver for WPITW!

Cecelia, Shepherd Smith is from a very small town in Mississippi and did most of Fox's coverage from NOLA from an overpass overlooking the Superdome after Katrina.

I would say he is fairly moderate in his political views based on years of having seen him, including on C-Span. Or at least I am sure he is not as conservative as I am.

He is a very personable man and that blowup, such as it was, was a bit out of character for him. I can't say I blame him though in that instance.

There seems to be a feeling that Libs and Dems should only get powder puff soft balls from the media and if they don't pull out the tar brush and start painting furiously!

Grammie

Grammy,

I agree. I don't think Smith was ugly with Wolfe at all. He simply told her that he wasn't going to let her get away with that. He also let her have almost all the following air time.

I think we've both seen an increasing number of videos at different sites, showing liberals taking shots at FNC WHILE using them to get out their message.

I suppose they must do this because they don't all have diaries at Daily Kos where they can write apologies for appearing there.

If I were a news channel host, interviewing guests who had agreed to come on, and who were there to get out their own particular message, I'd take umbrage over such comments too. This defines cheap shot.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at February 6, 2008 6:23 PM

John COOOUGAR!!!! Mellencamp is a communist piece of trash. No one cares what he thinks. He is a 9/11 truther like the dirty scum bag hippy Willie Nelson. He is now a noted coward for having one of his slip-in-fall lawyers send a nasty “swift boat” letter to a Real Vietnam war hero. This is not his country or any other liberals. Cougar needs to go to Iran where one of the barbarian throat slitters can get their grubby hands on him and we can see his head sliced off in YouTube.

I agree with Grammie, it seemed out of character so he must have had enough. He was also up late with election results last night so maybe he was tired.

The only other time I saw this side of him was with his NOLA coverage with his outrage over the treatment of the people on the bridge. He was truly speaking from his heart. He seems like a good guy who basically gives the facts and doesn't put himself in the story. But he has his lighthearted moments too. He's my 7PM appointment viewing every night.

To care about future generations is such as sissy thang, ain't it ?
RWer's !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at February 6, 2008 7:42 PM

Oh, we care about the next generation, Why.

We like them with ketchup and mustard...

"America Hater": Someone who calls other Americans with differing opinions "America haters".

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 7:19 PM

Think and read before you post, please. I was referring to the dixie losers.

To care about future generations is such as sissy thang, ain't it ?
RWer's !

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at February 6, 2008 7:42 PM

Newsflash!!!!! Algore could give a rats ass about the environment. He only cares about his wallet. His fearmongering tactics are working on the uninformed, though. Proof is all over this blog.

( time to go back into hiding.)

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at February 6, 2008 8:16 PM

Which of your aliases will you hide under this time? :D

One of the dumbest comments I've heard in awhile.
Your failed attempt at humor brings you directly into RK territory.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at February 6, 2008 8:30 PM

burp...

You know exactly what I meant...When you're little pet is questioned and he has no answers...he disappears....and HE goes into hiding.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at February 6, 2008 8:28 PM

And you know what I meant about your hiding behind multitudinous sockpuppet aliases.

Bobo, I have several comments out there tonight that you seem to be avoiding just as you avoided my question about what time frame is permissable for an analogy. You remember that one don't you?

Whether you fade away or come back as one of your sockpuppets the end result is the same.

You dish it out with a shovel and cringe and hide from any rebuttal.

Step up to the plate and defend yourself and your ideas for once. I would hope that you aspire to be more than a driveby shooter who never stays around for any answering fire.

Grammie

MoooooOOOOOOoooooooOoooooOOOOoooo.

Scuse me, I'm tryin' to do a vibrator whit this song here.

You know exactly what I meant...When you're little pet is questioned and he has no answers...he disappears....and HE goes into hiding.

Posted by: Why Don't You Think at February 6, 2008 8:28 PM

I have a ranch to run. I don't hide from anyone. Duck and run is your gig. You just ran from Janet.

RK: "Think and read before you post please. I was referring to the Dixie losers."

You mean the "Dixie Chicks"???

I admire the Dixie Cjhicks. They courageously spoke up when other Americans went along like sheep with one of the worst foreign policy mistakes in American History.

And most importantly, it turns out they were RIGHT!!!

I too was ashamed that GWB was our president too....and I STILL am.

Live with it!......The Dixie Chicks are patriotic Americans.

Karl Rove and William Kristol are anything but.

Live with it!......The Dixie Chicks are patriotic Americans.

Karl Rove and William Kristol are anything but.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 9:54 PM

Spoken like a true spolbyloon. Right on cue. Hypocritical, too. Goes w/out saying, though. How bout that part time senator voting to keep porno available on school pc's? Nice, huh?

Step up to the plate and defend yourself and your ideas for once. I would hope that you aspire to be more than a driveby shooter who never stays around for any answering fire.

Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at February 6, 2008 9:09 PM

You described 'why' perfectly, Janet. A drive by shooter. He has admitted that the only reason he posts here is to disrupt.

John COOOUGAR!!!! Mellincamp is a communist piece of trash. No one cares what he thinks. He is a 9/11 truther like that dirty scum bag hippie Willie Nelson. He is now a noted coward for having one of his slip-in-fall lawyers send a nasty "swift boat" letter to a real Vietnam war hero. This is not his country or any other liberals. Cougar needs to go to Iran where one of the barbarian throat slitters can get thir grubby hands on him and we can see his head sliced off in You Tube."

I can gaurantee you that the particular "real Vietnam war hero" you just referred to would be just as discusted with your Nazi like comments as I am.

I can gaurantee you that the particular "real Vietnam war hero" you just referred to would be just as discusted with your Nazi like comments as I am.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 10:10 PM

And if that particular Vietnam war hero is something other than a complete political partisan, he would be equally disgusted with your comment about Kristol and Rove.

MIKE, perhaps you should spare yourself the indignity of associating even as remotely as on a blog board with such as I.

As you have said over and over those of my political and ideological persuasion with certain opinions of how to keep our country safe and whole do not meet the criteria for a true blue patriotic American such as YOU and THE DIXIE CHICKS.

If I were you I would get the hell as far away from me and my ilk that jets could propell me.

Grammie

Janet: "If I were you I would get the hell as far away from me and my ilk that jets could propell me."

But fortunately, .... you are NOT me! .... And I am quite proud to reiterate that I am nowhere near you, either ideologically, or geographically.

And please forgive my continuing puzzlement as to how anybody could POSSIBLY believe that attacking and occupying a small country 7000 miles away, .... that did not attack us, .... nor did they even assist the one who DID attack us, .... has "protected" America in ANY way?

Keep trying.....maybe I'll get it eventually.

"And if that particular Vietnam war hero is anything other than a political partisan, he would be equally disgusted with your comments about Kristol and Rove."

Point taken.

Keep trying.....maybe I'll get it eventually.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 10:51 PM

Who's trying? It's near impossible for you to see the irony of your calling some people patriotic Americans for thinking as you think, and others not patriotic, let alone for you to "get" anything more complex.

Sure, sure Cecelia...just as it remains virtually impossible for you to grasp the true intent of my comments.

If I dare respond to a Factor or an RK for incredibly bombastic comments blasting the patriotism and bravado of those who do not think like them, .... by demonstrating how easily the opposite could be true, you respond as if I had just questioned YOUR patriotism.

You may not want to identify with the like of me, but it is difficult to comprehend why you would want to identify with the likes of them either.

MIKE, you can't go back and say that I never said that. You said it in negatives and that can be restated as a positive.

You and those who share your views, such as the Dixie Chicks, are true blue AMERICAN PATRIOTS.

Those with the opposite view, such as Rove, Kristol and me, are [now how did you put it?] ANYTHING BUT.

At least I know for a certainty where you are coming from.

Grammie

Janet, try studying the second sentence of my 11:13 comment if you REALLY want to understand where I am coming from.

If I dare respond to a Factor or an RK for incredibly bombastic comments blasting the patriotism and bravado of those who do not think like them, .... by demonstrating how easily the opposite could be true, you respond as if I had just questioned YOUR patriotism.

You may not want to identify with the like of me, but it is difficult to comprehend why you would want to identify with the likes of them either.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 11:13 PM

Let me get this straight. If Person A used foul language on the board and Person B came along and upbraided him for it and then a post later, Person B also used foul language-- Person C is "identifying" with Person A, by commenting on Person B's contradiction?

The Dixie Chicks are patriotic Americans.

Karl Rove and William Kristol are anything but.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 9:54 PM

Oh no, this isn't "bombastic." Just our daily dose.

Bad analogy Cecelia.

I believe that confronting those who would label others as traitors because they disagree with them with evidence that THEY might just as easily be the REAL traitors.

Sorry if you just can't grasp that concept.

you respond as if I had just questioned YOUR patriotism.

posted by mike

Wow, our second dose.

Please, understand. It's all right for Olbermann to question people's patriotism, but heaven forbid anyone to the right of him even make a halfway suggestion vaguely reminiscent of that point. And it's ok for Olbypologists like Mike to call people unpatriotic and question their patriotism, because, well, because if you don't agree with Mike then you're not a "real American". The second-best source for Olbypocrisy is an Olbypologist.

Bad analogy Cecelia.

I believe that confronting those who would label others as traitors because they disagree with them with evidence that THEY might just as easily be the REAL traitors.

Sorry if you just can't grasp that concept.
Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 11:33 PM

That doesn't address my analogy other than saying you weren't making a contradiction (although you did say "point taken" about something).

No matter what your intentions for saying what you did, how do my remarks mean that I have identified with the statetments of RK or The Factor.

Btw-- how would you interpret this remark: "You want to defend him, Bovine, you could as well go down with him."

You don't get it either Johnny.....no wonder you're such an unapologetic Fox apologist.

Mike,

Actually, you didn't give any evidence, you just stated that the Dixiechicks are real American patriots but that Rove and Kristol aren't.

When I called you on it, you said "point taken".

Cecelia: "how do my remarks mean that I have identified with the statements of RK or The Factor."

Because you failed to condemn RK's condemnation of The Dixie Chicks as "America Haters", and Factor's labeling of Mellencamp as a coward and a communist when you attacked my response.

"I could easily debunk all of your 'recaps,' but, I just don't have the time."

posted by ?????

Because you failed to condemn RK's condemnation of The Dixie Chicks as "America Haters", and Factor's labeling of Mellencamp as a coward and a communist when you attacked my response.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 11:46 PM

My not condemning something is not the same as endorsing it. That's illogical.

If you had merely condemned it...I would have said nothing to you as well.

But you condemned it and then did it and involved a man Bill Kristol, who role in the war other than supporting it. So in that sense, you questioned my patriotism too.

"When I called you on it, you said "point taken."

Partially because I keep forgetting that if I respond to bombastic comments with equally bonbastic responses, others take offense only at the response (and ONLY the response) ..... which was REALLY intended only to make a point.

What was the point? ....... That the Dixie Chicks are no more or less patriotic than Rove or anyone else who truely believe they are doing what is best for their country.....no matter how misguided or wrong they might might actually be.

Kristol had no role other than supporting and endorsing the war, rather.

"But you condemned it and involved a man Bill Kristol"

Because the very same man who had just called the Dixie Chicks "America Haters" had specifically praised Kristol and Rove just the day before.

That still doesn't address how I defacto "identified" with RK and Factor, but I'm glad you got the point.

Here's your post-- it's good that you understand how anyone could have perceived you as being perfectly serious in your statement about Kristol and Rove, because it sure as hell sounded that way:

"I admire the Dixie Cjhicks. They courageously spoke up when other Americans went along like sheep with one of the worst foreign policy mistakes in American History.

And most importantly, it turns out they were RIGHT!!!

I too was ashamed that GWB was our president too....and I STILL am.

Live with it!......The Dixie Chicks are patriotic Americans.

Karl Rove and William Kristol are anything but. "

The Dixie Chicks are patriotic Americans.

Karl Rove and William Kristol are anything but.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 9:54 PM

That the Dixie Chicks are no more or less patriotic than Rove or anyone else who truely believe they are doing what is best for their country.....no matter how misguided or wrong they might might actually be.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 11:52 PM

Huh?

Because the very same man who had just called the Dixie Chicks "America Haters" had specifically praised Kristol and Rove just the day before.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 11:57 PM

Well, you have your answer as to why anyone would have assumed you were frankly speaking your feelings and any war supporter would have taken your comments personally and reacted to YOUR statement.

Sorry, MIKE, the second statement of your post is a stand alone. You did nothing to indicate any caveat in any way. You said:

"If I dare respond to a Factor or an RK for incredibly bombastic comments blasting the patriotism and bravado of those who do not think like them, .... by demonstrating how easily the opposite could be true, you respond as if I had just questioned YOUR patriotism."

Nice try but you said nothing of the sort in the comment that I objected to. Let me repeat it in its entirety:

"RK: "Think and read before you post please. I was referring to the Dixie losers."

You mean the "Dixie Chicks"???

I admire the Dixie Cjhicks. They courageously spoke up when other Americans went along like sheep with one of the worst foreign policy mistakes in American History.

And most importantly, it turns out they were RIGHT!!!

I too was ashamed that GWB was our president too....and I STILL am.

Live with it!......The Dixie Chicks are patriotic Americans.

Karl Rove and William Kristol are anything but.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 9:54 PM "

No caveats but there is still this:

"The Dixie Chicks are patriotic Americans."

Followed by:

"Karl Rove and William Kristol are anything but. "

Since my politics and ideology is pretty much in tune with the traitors Rove and Kristol I guess that puts me in the same category with them.

Or so it is according to MIKE.

As I said "At least I know for a certainty where you are coming from."

Grammie

That the Dixie Chicks are no more or less patriotic than Rove or anyone else who truely believe they are doing what is best for their country.....no matter how misguided or wrong they might might actually be.

Posted by: Mike at February 6, 2008 11:52 PM

Huh?
Posted by: royal king at February 6, 2008 11:59 PM

Yeah, the thing about "going along like sheep" as compared to not being sheep and speaking out and therefore being a true patriot, threw me too...

But anyway...

"That still doesn't how I defacto "identified" with Factor and RK. But I'm glad you got the point."

The 'identification' part comes from consistantly being blasted by you and yours for responding in kind to nasty comments from ideological allies while never addressing the comment that instigated the response.

A good analogy might be a referee at a basketball game who always calls a foul for the retaliatory elbow, while never blowing his whistle for the more eggregarious and intentional elbow that instigated the response.

A good analogy might be a referee at a basketball game who always calls a foul for the retaliatory elbow, while never blowing his whistle for the more eggregarious and intentional elbow that instigated the response.

Posted by: Mike at February 7, 2008 12:12 AM

Oh, this works for you, but, when Janet used a sports analogy, it was all wrong. Now I get it......

Cecelia said: "going along like sheep"

It couldn't be that I was talking about the Hillarys, the Edwards, and others of their ilk who SHOULD have stood up on principal against a pre-emptive war that made no sense if one really thought about it.....could it?

The 'identification' part comes from consistantly being blasted by you and yours for responding in kind to nasty comments from ideological allies while never addressing the comment that instigated the response.

A good analogy might be a referee at a basketball game who always calls a foul for the retaliatory elbow, while never blowing his whistle for the more eggregarious and intentional elbow that instigated the response.
Posted by: Mike at February 7, 2008 12:12 AM

Mike, YOU made a statement that most war supporters could not help but take personally.

Quit doing the usual and pointing the finger at the other the other person.

No matter what your true intentions were, that is how it sounded.

When someone feels they are being personally insulted, by a guy who's not only insulting them but also in the process of calling someone's else's same comments "nazi-like", they react.

It couldn't be that I was talking about the Hillarys, the Edwards, and others of their ilk who SHOULD have stood up on principal against a pre-emptive war that made no sense if one really thought about it.....could it?

Posted by: Mike at February 7, 2008 12:18 AM

I'm supposed to be less insulted because you sound as if you're including a Democrat in the flock along with me?

MIKE, are you sure you want to stick to that story in the face of Pat$y, Monsieur Capon Blank-Flucker, Wasted and all the Chicken Bloggers?

If I agreed with you on this I would hold you responsible for every foul, vicious moral and sexually perverted attacks on everyone on my side of the aisle. Why? Because I am tired of the assaults on me and my character.

If that is where you want to go just let me know.

I responded to YOU. I did not realize that you expected me to temper your words based on multitudes of others comments over time.

If that is what you are addressing simply put a caveat in.

Grammie

"I'm supposed to be less insulted because you're including a Democrat in the flock along with me."

I never included you in that flock....you included yourself.

To me, the "sheep" were the ones who had their doubts, but were afraid to stand up against the prevailing political tide of emotion in the wake of 911.

Grammy, what was that bizarre statement Patsy made to me? Was it some sort of threat in your opinion?

Did you see the statement, Mike?

To me, the "sheep" were the ones who had their doubts, but were afraid to stand up against the prevailing political tide of emotion in the wake of 911.

Posted by: Mike at February 7, 2008 12:31 AM

Well, how was I supposed to understand that? You want me to second guess your basic statements to the point of prescience as to how you define "sheep" and then also agree that your erroneous interpretation of my SILENCE is my responsibility as well!

"If that is what you are addressing simply put a caveat in."

My mistake was assuming the caveat would be understood.

If I had initiated the comment insinuating Kristol and Rove were traitors, instead of simply using that response to make a point about equal and opposite comments implying Maims and Mellencamp were traitors, then your outrage might be more understandable.

I'm not only responsible for accurately making expansive interpretations of your plain words, I'm responsible for any interpretations YOU make too -- even of my silence!

Did you see the statement, Mike?

Posted by: Cecelia at February 7, 2008 12:33 AM

He has his olbyloon goggles filter set on high, so, he didn't see it.

"Did you see the statement Mike."

No, I didn't.

Cecelia, I made a response and lost it [Vista can be strange] to the threat on the Latinos thread. I just went back and wrote a new comment and posted it.

I agree that it was a thinly gossamer veiled threat.

My Mama is coming out in me more and more. I hope she sees it and is lifting her straight up martini in a stem glass to me.

Thanks Mom,

Grammie

If I had initiated the comment insinuating Kristol and Rove were traitors, instead of simply using that response to make a point about equal and opposite comments implying Maims and Mellencamp were traitors, then your outrage might be more understandable.

Posted by: Mike at February 7, 2008 12:42 AM

Whether you had started with the statement about Kristol and Rove, rather than ending with it, would not have made a difference. Either way there is no indication that you were being anything other than frank.

MIKE, it is on the Latinos thread.

Check out what one of those from your side of the aisle has to say.

Grammie

Here it is:

"You want to defend him [RK], Bovine, you could as well go down with him."
Posted by: Cecelia at February 6, 2008 11:38 PM

MIke, what's your read on that?

I just found it myself, but I haven't seen the context of it yet.

That said, I've never defended AAP. He knows full well I never liked his tactics, just as Phoney Soldier knew Janet didn't like his.

Janet, should I take silence as a "yes, it is" and followed by the inevitable "and it's your fault"?

Strike the above post. Thanks for replying.

MIKE, where do you want to go from here?

Do you want those from my side of the aisle to factor in every statement made by one of us to you in making an assessment of what you REALLY REALLY REALLY meant?

If so, can I and others from my side factor every foul perverted filth tossed our way in to what you say?

I agree that there is a continuitiy of thought that shows through as long as one consistently comments using one user name. But to ask me to be responsible for what others say and for me to take account of what others say to interpret what you mean but do not specifically state is more than a bit bizarre.

Grammie

MIke,

I've been fearful that you guys are going overboard about RK. That it's reach some sort of level that is going beyond insults on a blog board.

BTW-- Mike, Ive never heard you criticize Patsy's tactics, but I never assumed this meant that you agreed with them.

Cecelia, I don't really know who "you guys" are, but I HAVE personally been guilty of going overboard regarding RK. I think you will find that my recent resonses to him are much less often, and of much different tone than they used to be.

RK is very good at irritating his ideological opposition. He seems to take great glee in doing that.

Cecelia, I don't really know who "you guys" are, but I HAVE personally been guilty of going overboard regarding RK. I think you will find that my recent resonses to him are much less often, and of much different tone than they used to be.

RK is very good at irritating his ideological opposition. He seems to take great glee in doing that.

Posted by: Mike at February 7, 2008 1:12 AM

That's heartening to hear.

I'm quite sincere here.

"BTW--Mike, Ive never heard you criticize Patsy's tactics, but I never assumed that mean't you agreed with them."

Actually, I HAVE publicly disagreed with them. He has even acknowledged it.

The completion of your obvious analogy to our previous discussion would have required that I had attacked a response that you made to AAP that I took personally.

"That said, I've never defended AAP. He knows full well I never liked his tactics, just as Phoney Soldier knew Janet didn't like his.

Posted by: Mike at February 7, 2008 12:59 AM "

Exactly how does he know that, MIKE?

I don't remember your saying anything to him about it. Nor to Monsieur Capon Blank-Flucker or Wasted and all their personas.

There is no way that anyone who followed this site even half way could have missed the filth that spewed forth from them especially against the only women here and RK.

I have seen some of the guys on ocassion make a defensive comment but that was far and few between.

I don't expect you to fight my battles but neither do I expect you to hold me and the other women here to a manly standard that the men didn't meet.

Grammie

Well, I'm off to bed.

I feel better after talking to you about this, Mike.

Thanks.

Janet, if you're still out there, sleep well.

G'nite to both of you.

I don't expect you to fight my battles but neither do I expect you to hold me and the other women here to a manly standard that the men didn't meet.

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at February 7, 2008 1:20 AM

Exactly!

Janet: "I don't expect you to fight my battles but neither do I expect you to hold me and the other women here to a manly standard that the men don't meet."

Why do you feel I am trying to hold you to such a standard?

Frankly, I would have thought that my very sincere responses to those despicable comments from last year that you were "deceased" would have helped clue you in to who I really am.

At that time, I had not learned yet that some would stoop THAT low on a political or media blog.

Mike, I take it you will be voting for Obama?

Mike, I do remember that you expressed disgust at whatever Chicken Blogger [Capon, Wasted or Patsy] published my death and the details.

I understand that and appreciate it.

But that episode was microscopic to the filth that they spewed our [Sharon, Cecelia and I] way month in and month out. It had nothing to do with political or ideological positions and everything to do with the undeniable fact that they are the basest and scummiest of men. Real men do not take that route with women anywhere much less on a blog who disagree with them.

You stated earlier, and I paraphrase, that "you were surprised that they took such a route b/c they had so much to offer in reasoned debate".

I don't know what blog you were reading but I challenge you to find one out of ten comments Pat$y made that was not peppered with "PASTOR DUMBFUCK, I mean PHALLUCEE" to "MOOOOOOO BOVINE" to Hag-zilla etc.

Or how about our urbane sophisticate Monsieur Capon? Can you find one in ten comments that does not refer to bestiality, whores, sluts, fag hags, harpies and and on and on? And don't forget the MOOOOOOOOOS and the BAAAAAAAAs and the endless stories that painted us all [on my side of the aisle] as less than degenerates?

Sorry, MIKE, you lost this battle. If Phony Soldier and his ilk [Laura Bush, George Bush etc] were the only creeps left here there would be no effort to exile/ban unacceptable posters.

Just so you know, I do consider myself a loyal, patriotic and engaged American. You and I don't agree but if that makes me an unpatriotic American a la Rove and Kristol that is your problem, not mine.

Grammie

This "unpatriotic American a la Rove and Kristol "

S/B

what you consider an "unpatriotic American a la Rove and Kristol

Grammie

Did professor Honeydew only post about song lyrics and environmental extemism and not address the pressing issue of the day.....the cat fight between Clinton and Obama?....

Did he not answer my challenge on asking him who he voted for onm Tuesday?.....Clinton or Obama and why?

I think I know the answer.

In light of today's events with McCain addressing CPAC, I believe NRO has an excellent retort to those hyperbolic pundits out there who claim HRC and McCain are not different from eachother.....

A portion:

"McCain voted to defund Planned Parenthood last year, Clinton didn’t and would likely expand Planned Parenthood’s taxpayer funding.

"McCain voted to ban partial-birth abortion, Clinton didn’t and would likely reverse the partial-birth abortion ban.

"McCain voted for Roberts and Alito and made the case for them in the media, Clinton didn’t.

"McCain has never voted for a tax increase, Clinton will increase taxes.

"McCain will continue the Bush tax cuts, Clinton will end them.

"McCain will end pork-barrel spending, Clinton supports the endowment of projects like the Woodstock Museum with taxpayer funding.

"McCain will not cut and run in Iraq, Clinton will work with Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senator Harry Reid to do just that.

"McCain sponsored legislation to keep the Fairness Doctrine from rearing its head again, Clinton has not and has signaled moves to revive it.

"McCain supports school choice, Clinton does not.

"Clinton will mandate health insurance, McCain will not.

"McCain voted to convict Bill Clinton on impeachment, Clinton was a witting accomplice in President Bill Clinton’s scandals.

"McCain has an ACU (American Conservative Union) rating of 82.3; Clinton has a rating of 9.

"McCain has 0-percent rating from NARAL; Clinton has 100 percent.

"McCain is endorsed by Tom Coburn, Jack Kemp, Steve Forbes, Rudy Giuliani, Sam Brownback, Tim Pawlenty, Phil Gramm, Jeff Flake, Jon Kyl, and Ted Olson. Hillary’s endorsers? Barbra Streisand, Maxine Waters, Gray Davis, Robert Kennedy Jr., Jennifer Granholm, and she will have the endorsements of Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Harry Reid if and when she becomes the Democratic nominee for President."

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmI2YjE1Y2QxODI1ZGI1ZGNhNmQwOThlNWVlMmNlMTc=

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I really believe the growing support for McCain in the Republican party reflects the above facts....McCain is not a liberal....he is not a leftist like Obama and Clinton. Especially on the war and on terrorism, he is not an apologist for American moral authority in the world and the use of our strength for the defense of freedom of religion and though...He has never accepted anti-American leftist propaganda like Obama and HRC, the horrible view that America is an imperialist power akin to those of the 17th and 18th centuries....He is a genuine war hero who LIVED patritoism as an American POW abused by the leftist North Vietnamese Army who was supported by the American left at the time....

He is really the only true patriot running for president if one uses the true definition of the word....

"a person who loves, supports, and defends his or her country and its interests with devotion."

Miked, why would you be "irritated" by the fact that I inform you with facts about your boy, obama and point it out when you are being totally hypocritical? Just curious.

"Even though we face an uphill fight, I know that many in this room are fully behind my campaign.” You are with me all the way to the convention. Fight on, just like Ronald Reagan did in 1976. But there is an important difference from 1976: today… we are a nation at war.

"And Barack and Hillary have made their intentions clear regarding Iraq and the war on terror. They would retreat and declare defeat. And the consequence of that would be devastating. It would mean attacks on America, launched from safe havens that make Afghanistan under the Taliban look like child’s play. About this, I have no doubt.

"I disagree with Senator McCain on a number of issues, as you know. But I agree with him on doing whatever it takes to be successful in Iraq, on finding and executing Osama bin Laden, and on eliminating Al Qaeda and terror. If I fight on in my campaign, all the way to the convention, I would forestall the launch of a national campaign and make it more likely that Senator Clinton or Obama would win. And in this time of war, I simply cannot let my campaign, be a part of aiding a surrender to terror.

"This is not an easy decision for me. I hate to lose. My family, my friends and our supporters… many of you right here in this room… have given a great deal to get me where I have a shot at becoming President. If this were only about me, I would go on. But I entered this race because I love America, and because I love America, I feel I must now stand aside, for our party and for our country.

"I will continue to stand for conservative principles; I will fight alongside you for all the things we believe in. And one of those things is that we cannot allow the next President of the United States to retreat in the face evil extremism!!

"It is the common task of each generation—and the burden of liberty—to preserve this country, expand its freedoms and renew its spirit so that its noble past is prologue to its glorious future.

"To this task… accepting this burden… we are all dedicated, and I firmly believe, by the providence of the Almighty, that we will succeed beyond our fondest hope. America must remain, as it has always been, the hope of the earth.

"Thank you, and God bless America."

Mitt Romney, today......

http://thepage.time.com/transcript-of-romneys-speech-withdrawing-from-the-race/

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Gov. Romney is right and there must be polite and reasoned discourse in the party as the nomination process continues on without him....And unlike the democrats, who are essentially within a struggle between a powerful establishment behemoth against a new and idealistic young candidate, republicans can actually have a substantive debate on how to solve the problems facing our country today and continue to the protect the ideals America has been true to to this point....freedom of thought and religion.

Fights over IDEAS versus personality/race/gender....I know I am glad to be a part of the former.....The latter is destructive, superficial and of NO value to our country as it faces its challenges....

Thank you, Clinton Co.

"Senator Clinton and Senator Obama will withdraw our forces from Iraq based on an arbitrary timetable designed for the sake of political expediency, and which recklessly ignores the profound human calamity and dire threats to our security that would ensue.

"I intend to win the war, and trust in the proven judgment of our commanders there and the courage and selflessness of the Americans they have the honor to command. I share the grief over the terrible losses we have suffered in its prosecution. There is no other candidate for this office who appreciates more than I do just how awful war is. But I know that the costs in lives and treasure we would incur should we fail in Iraq will be far greater than the heartbreaking losses we have suffered to date. And I will not allow that to happen.

"They won't recognize and seriously address the threat posed by an Iran with nuclear ambitions to our ally, Israel, and the region.

"I intend to make unmistakably clear to Iran we will not permit a government that espouses the destruction of the State of Israel as its fondest wish and pledges undying enmity to the United States to possess the weapons to advance their malevolent ambitions.

"Senator Clinton and Senator Obama will concede to our critics that our own actions to defend against its threats are responsible for fomenting the terrible evil of radical Islamic extremism, and their resolve to combat it will be as flawed as their judgment.

"I intend to defeat that threat by staying on offense and by marshaling every relevant agency of our government, and our allies, in the urgent necessity of defending the values, virtues and security of free people against those who despise all that is good about us.

"These are but a few of the differences that will define this election. They are very significant differences, and I promise you, I intend to contest these issues on conservative grounds and fight as hard as I can to defend the principles and positions we share, and to keep this country safe, proud, prosperous and free.

"We have had a few disagreements, and none of us will pretend that we won't continue to have a few. But even in disagreement, especially in disagreement, I will seek the counsel of my fellow conservatives. If I am convinced my judgment is in error, I will correct it. And if I stand by my position, even after benefit of your counsel, I hope you will not lose sight of the far more numerous occasions when we are in complete accord.

"I began by assuring you that we share a conception of liberty that is the bedrock of our beliefs as conservatives. As you know, I was deprived of liberty for a time in my life, and while my love of liberty is no greater than yours, you can be confident that mine is the equal of any American's. It is a deep and unwavering love. My life experiences in service to our country inform my political judgments. They are at the core of my convictions. I am pro-life and an advocate for the Rights of Man everywhere in the world because of them, because I know that to be denied liberty is an offense to nature and nature's Creator. I will never waver in that conviction, I promise you. I know in this country our liberty will not be seized in a political revolution or by a totalitarian government. But, rather, as Burke warned, it can be "nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts." I am alert to that risk and will defend against it, and ta ke comfort from the knowledge that I will be encouraged in that defense by my fellow conservatives.

"You have heard me say before that for all my reputation as a maverick, I have only found true happiness in serving a cause greater than my self-interest. For me, that cause has always been our country, and the ideals that have made us great. I have been her imperfect servant for many years, and I have made many mistakes. You can attest to that, but need not. For I know them well myself. But I love her deeply and I will never, never tire of the honor of serving her. I cannot do that without your counsel and support. And I am grateful, very grateful, that you have given me this opportunity to ask for it.

"Thank you and God bless you"

http://www.examiner.com/blogs/Yeas_and_Nays/2008/2/7/Text-of-John-McCains-CPAC-Remarks

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The man is a conservative. Anyone want to show me differently, then please try.....

The most important issue is the way we respect the sacrifice of the men and women who have died or have been injured in defense of our country.....Senator McCain almost died doing the same, and unlike the other candidates for President, HE knows what that sacrifice can mean.....He wants to RESPECT the sacrifice, not throw it away because of political expediency and that, to me, makes him a great leader and deserving of respect....

The left....their representatives, especially their ruling class choice, HRC, has NO idea what it means to bring to conclusion a just peace that will insure our future security while respecting the sacrifice people like McCain have made......

The American people deserve to choose between the two visions.....I will respect the decision either way, but mourn for our souls if we decide to desert basic American ideals.

Posted by: Son of Wasted Keystrokes

Sorta like those other Japanese sequels such as Son of Gozilla, etc.

Dubbed, with the sound out of sync with the mouth movement... :D

"Romney is gone.

"Spin this one, LOSERS!!!!

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No spin necessary....the primaries are the way they are....and those the right preferred failed to garner early traction......

Giuliani, Thompson and Romney were flawed in different ways and made mistakes....McCain was alomst dead in the water last summer....but he played the primary game correctly....he deserves congratulations.....

And as I am sure Ronald Reagan would say, always the loyal Republican, the nominee deserves the party's support......

We will see if people are willing to give the keys to Obama or Clinton instead.

Has anyone seen susan estrich, lately? What is she? Hideous. Let me guess, she's one of AAP's sex queens.

weak, Cee, really, really weak.....no....you did not refute one thing I said or the two candidates said....your post was weak.....

Oh and I would love for Clinton Co. to get the nomination and if Ms. Coulter wants to support that effort then more power to her....In fact, I caught the last 15 minutes of Rush and he said he may fund raise for HRC so she wins the nomination....the anti-Hillary vote is all that he believes can get McCain elected....

Nope, there is no "heir" to Reagan because he was only one politican in a line of inspiring leaders America has had....he was charasmatic and kind....had a great sense of humor and reallllly pissed off the left....gotta love it....No cult of personality on my end here....he was just one of many great Americans.

Just like W is....pissing off the radical left is a great honor and shows one is right.....President Bush continues to get all he wants...even today on the stimulus package to FISA, soon and the war in Iraq.....

What about those promises Hillary and Obama made about getting the troops home by Spring, 2008.....It was warm here in NJ today....spring is a coming!

And I can assure you, in the next 9 months, John McCain will piss off the extreme left as well because he is all they are not....patriotic, pro-American and he stands for freedom.....He stands for helping the struggle in Iraq against totalitarianism.....he lived under totalitarianism as a POW.....did you wannawipe?

So...let's just watch...and oh yeah, how is Clinton Co. doing at destryoing the first serious African-American Presidential candidate?....Any whispers again about his drug use, his similarities to DYNOMITE! J.J. (JESSE!) or his need for the kind white liberal to help him get his rights and freedoms?

Oh yeah...the democrats...campaigning not on ideas, but whether one should be the president because it is time for a woman (I guess she is?) or an African-American man....

Wow....go Clinton Co!!!!!!!!!!!

Weak dude....try again....you failed to touch me AGAIN!

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