The attack on Glenn Beck is disgraceful. If you watch the clip, it is clear the Beck is making fun of people who call his show and say Obamanation is the anti-Christ. Let’s also remember that this smear is coming from the man who compares George Bush to Adolf Hitler every night.

Stop the presses: Did everyone hear Milbank commenting on McCain and the War? It went something like this:

"McCain was right about the war."

OlbyLimp nearly cried when he heard this...such contrary words have never been spoken on his show.

Of course, he wasn't "great thanked"

Olbermann was visibly proud and amused by his newest attempt at humor - saying "Su-hooper-delegates." He could hardly contain the smile on his face as he annunciated his artistic production. At least he won't have to worry about anyone ever calling him a comedian.

Olbermann says he's not campaigning for Obama but by attacking Hillary and McCain he every night he is helping Obama, and he knows it.

Keith said tonight:

Hillary is running a negative/dirty campaign.
And as an example of Hillary's dirty campaigning Keith pulls out her commercial he claims is "fear mongering."

He ask Richard Wolffe did the negative ads win her the states last night.
Implying that's the only reason she won.

He also mentioned a story of Hillary's plane going through very rocky turbulence and everybody was panicking but Hillary was asleep. Then Keith gave us that "do you get my hidden joke, in there?" Meaning if Hillary is sleeping through a rough plan ride, image what she'll do in a rough presidential moment.

He mentions all this while talking a hundred miles per hour. Maybe he thinks if he says it faster Hillary won't hear it?

He boasted that MSNBC beat all the other stations when it came to the election coverage, of course they did. People tune in not because MSNBC is so good, they tune in to see what stupid thing will Matthews and Olbermann say next.

Keith called O'Reilly's viewers stupid and spent 5 minutes on the story of McCain being late to the presidents endorsement, nice going.

Is there a way we can petition Cornell to take back their B.S. Degree of Communications to Keith?
I wonder if he even took any journalism courses?

Yeah, to question the experience and ability of a political rival to handle the job of Commander In Chief is just sooooooooooo negative in a campaign...

BTW-- Are the Democrats who didn't vote for Obama in Ohio and in Texas as "racist" as the Tennesseans who failed to return Harold Ford to office?

"Limbaugh was committing "sabotage". "

Really? Obama's campaign sent out automated calls saying, "If you're a Republican that's tired and wants change just pick up a Democratic voting sheet and vote for Obama". I guess they took his advice but voted Clinton instead.

Quick reminder, folks: MSNBC had this buffoon on as part of their "news anchor" team. Fox News gave Bill O'Reilly the night off. Hannity & Colmes were on before the news anchor coverage. Got that, Mr. Fixed Noise?

Why would conservatives and republicans watch coverage of a primary that is basically a contest between two democrats since the Republican nomination has been locked up for a month. Fox News should have had O'Reilly on and forget about the primary coverage.

B. Hussein Obamanation's biggest problem in this election is his despicable horrible wife. She make Hillary Clinton seem wonderful. Michelle Obamantion trades in jealousy and hate.

"we're a country that is "just downright mean," we are "guided by fear," we're a nation of cynics, sloths, and complacent. "We have become a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it every day," Michelle Obamanation

We are a nation of struggling folks who are barely making it? This is a nation where nearly everyone has two TV's, air conditioning, and two cars. Most nations can barely feed their people. This is coming from a woman whose pay increase-from $121,910 in 2004 to $316,962 in 2005. This from a woman who was too stupid to get into the college she got into but was let in because of her race.

"The life that I'm talking about that most people are living has gotten progressively worse since I was a little girl" another pearl of wisdom from Michelle Obamanation.

Life is worse now for people than it was in the late 60's and 70's? Is she really that stupid? What a disgrace. If Hussein Obamanation is smart he will find a mistress fast to shut this hag up fast.

Why didn't Olbermann use this gem from
MediaMatters? http://mediamatters.org/items/200803050006?f=s_search

"I would add other things that are going now to get a second look that they've long deserved. This dumb, nasty, ethnic rock 'n roll racist church that he(B. Hussein Obamanation) goes to in Chicago, that's gonna, he won't be able to walk away from that anymore." Chistopher Hitchens

Hitch hates all religon but even a broken clock is right twice a day and he is dead on about Obamanation's church.

Keith has really been in the tank for Obama ever since Daily Kos endorsed him.

O'Reilly is further exposing the far left hate site, huffpo. Left on left hate. Who's the poster that keeps harping 'the republicans are self destructing?' New gal????

#5: Hillary's wins blamed on her "negative advertising".

I wonder if keefy considered the "Betrayus" add "positive advertising?" Keefy can sure dish out the negativity, but, say anything negative about his flavor of the day and he cries like a freakin' baby!

Markos must be Krazy Keith's puppet master.

BTW-- Are the Democrats who didn't vote for Obama in Ohio and in Texas as "racist" as the Tennesseans who failed to return Harold Ford to office?

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Too cute by half, Cecelia. No one accused people who voted for one party or the other to be racist by reason of their decision. Rather, the Tennessee election was racist because the Clown and the RNC ***EXPLICITLY*** injected race into the campaign by among other tactics, Ford with the platinum blond. I realize that you may not be personally racist, but you certainly associate yourself with some of the worst racists in America, i.e. Cee, Factor, Olby S***s/Royal King/Jeff, Sharon, the RNC and, to some extent, Grammie Janet. I don't think it is necessary that you do that. You could still be a Republican and not be a racist, but you seem to invariably steer towards the hooded ones.

Keith's masters at kos and some democrat party apologists here at OW are crowing about one new poll showing both HRC and Obamessiah beating McCain in the general.....

Oh well....polls are polls.....

"Looking to the general election, John McCain has a slight lead over both Democrats. McCain now leads Obama 48% to 43% and Clinton 46% to 45% (see recent daily results). A Rasmussen Reports video suggests that the Clinton victories in Texas and Ohio are good news for John McCain. In Washington State, McCain leads Clinton and is essentially even with Obama. The Governor’s race in Washington is also a dead-heat.

"Nationally, McCain is viewed favorably by 52% and unfavorably by 45%. Obama’s numbers have slipped a bit recently and he is now viewed favorably by 50% of likely voters nationwide, unfavorably by 48%. Clinton earns positive reviews from 49% of Likely Voters nationwide and negative assessments from 50% (see recent daily results)."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

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And let us all not forget who is going to be attacking the first serious African-American candidate for President of The United States in history for the next several weeks until the next big primary in Pa......Good ol' Clinton Co.....the same group who made Obamessiah look "blacker" in recent ads and continues to use race baiting tactics.....

Oh I enjoyed some lovely dem on dem fighting on PBS NEWS HOUR last night....Bill Bradley totally went balistic on HRC and Clinton Co. while former VP nominee Geraldine Ferarro defended her sister......It was wonderful to watch....August in Denver will be lovely!

Where is anon to defend his hero's tactics....the adulterous sodomite is out there stumping for his wife....the smile on the face of Clinton Co. that is, behind the scenes, lining up opposition to Obamessiah based only on the man's race!.....

What a nice and tolerant party!

I want Obama to win! He is Jimmy Carter on stupid pills. His wife is Theresa Heinz Kerry off meds. Obama is truly a horror who will destroy the people he claims to want to help.

He wants to withdraw aid to Columbia and opposes NAFTA, which is funny in the context of current events, as Columbia's neighboring totalitarian states send troops to the border to try to overthrow her Democratically elected leader. Obama wants to pull out of Iraq ASAP as we finally have the upper hand and can make a huge difference in the Middle East. He wants to raise taxes when tax reduction has historically been the best way to spur the economy. He wants to eliminate Bush's last tax cut!

You name the issue and that idiot is on the opposite side of common sense. If he could piss into his body instead of into the toilet, he'd be for that too.

So why do I want him to win? Because all of his idiot supporters would have to live with what they'd done. In four short tumultuous years this country of short sighted "gimme more" dopes would end up electing another REAL PRESIDENT like Reagan in response.

Of course neither Hillary nor Osama Obama Hussein Barack will come close -- even the idiot segment of our population will vote for a war hero over these two monsters.

Joe writes:

"Olbermann says he's not campaigning for Obama but by attacking Hillary and McCain he every night he is helping Obama, and he knows it."

END QUOTE

Here's why you are worng Joe. Only left wing nu jobs are voting for Obama. Only left wing nut jobs watch Olbyturd.

Where are the people who have a contrary opinion?

O'Reilly of course. And that is why Olbyturd will never be more than a no. 2 to no. 3 show. Nobody that is a fan of O'Reilly would all of a sudden decide they like Olbyturd. Those kind of changes occurred in one's childhood. That's when Olby's problems started. That and the fact he didn;t get laid until his 40's and he still acts like a baby.

He carries water for the left wing
To the table not much does he bring
Failed sportscaster
Kountdown's a disaster
Tabloid news where crap is the king

Countdown writes:

"If you're a Republican that's tired and wants change just pick up a Democratic voting sheet and vote for Obama".

END QUOTE

Elect Obama and that's all the money the middle class will be left with afte what this boy will do to the economy.

I heard Obamination speaking the other night in Ohio and he said he was in a factory where he saw where machines had been unbolted from the floor and moved over seas.

Well, WTF would a boy that got where he is at by affirmative action who has never worked a day in his life in a factory or probably anywhere else. Obomination came up at a time when affirmative action was out of control and discriminated against many whites. My money says Obamination could or his wife could have gotten into a law school at a small state university in the south on their own grades.

TPS has worked in factories for over 30 years and if you count the years TOS worked on the farm TPS has been working for over 40 years. TPS held a full time job his senior year in HS working 56 hours a week. TPS worked his way through college mainly running an engine lathe at a local machine shop. TPS has learned a lot over that ti me.

The pure fact is there is not a single business owner who wants to move his business overseas or outsource work. Not a single one. The problme is the American worker.

Business owners are sick and tired of paying a worker 40 hours wages for 20 hours labor in return.

Business owners are tired of workers trying to screw the system trying to stick the company in the ass trying to get on premanent disability or running out and getting CTS surgery. It's assholes like this that are causing the real American worker to pay more for insurance.

Business owners are tired of workers showing up stoned or drunk.

Business owners are tired of dumbass Americans. The US ranks near 30th in reading and math skills. I went to an SME meeting in the early 90's and they said 25 years from then that 80% of that work force in 2015 was already working in 1990. That meant our school systems would only produce 20% of manufacturing workers over the next 25 years. I'm seeing it. Where I work today the average age is 46. I said it before, a sixth grade graduate from the mid-70's is smarter than most college graduates today. We have coop mechanical engineers work here their senior year in college year part time. They assigned one to me. I needed an Excel spread sheet creatred on how to balance a large part that had a head and a counterbalance. The manufacture gave ends points on a graph. You had to figure out the points in between on the graph that lead to a lot of human error. I told him to generate a formula by interpolating the points in between. He couldn;t do it. He had to go on the net to figure it out. When TPS went to grade school there were no calcualtors. We had trig tables and you had to interpolate between whole nunbers. The US is in trouble no matter what we do because of a screwed up school system. As an engineer I am rated each year on performance based on qualitative and quantitative standards. Obama says a teacher shouldn;t be graded by a test. Bull crap. Every worker in the US is graded, why not a teacher.

Liberals and left wing nut jobs are appealing to the losers of this country, the dead beats, the short cut atists, the exuces makers, the finger pointers, the people that screw up their own lives and want to blame someone else.

and look at what the educational system did to me.

I can't barely write a sentence in proper American, but I was nominated Ms. Personality and Ms. Optimistic.

"The US is in trouble no matter what we do because of a screwed up school system"

If a liberal wins in '08, I'll probably throw myself in the path of a screwing machine, ehr... the mill, the mill, DAMNED keyboard! doesn't know how to speak American.

Too cute by half, Cecelia. No one accused people who voted for one party or the other to be racist by reason of their decision. Rather, the Tennessee election was racist because the Clown and the RNC ***EXPLICITLY*** injected race into the campaign by among other tactics, Ford with the platinum blond. I realize that you may not be personally racist, but you certainly associate yourself with some of the worst racists in America, i.e. Cee, Factor, Olby S***s/Royal King/Jeff, Sharon, the RNC and, to some extent, Grammie Janet. I don't think it is necessary that you do that. You could still be a Republican and not be a racist, but you seem to invariably steer towards the hooded ones.
Posted by: at March 6, 2008 3:11 AM

The amusing thing here is that if Ford were white, they'd have injected "sex" into the race.

Considering some of the tactics we've seen in the Democratic Presidential Primary, it seems that you are, as ever, impervious to your own irony.

We aren't impervious to it though and are well aware that you are driven to be here. Driven to the sort of irony where you characterize this stuff as "the vibrant exchange of ideas" even as you are driven to try and find the "worst" button to push, the worst bomb to throw.

There is a post from someone with the wonderful name of Moreyn on this board. She's obviously thought that this is a Olbermann fan site. Yet not one conservative here chided her, mocked her, or even addressed her.

Aren't you just far far far too old for this?

I saw recently on tv how Nostradamus predicted Napoleon and Hitler then said the third reign of terror would be by someone named MABA. Could he have meant Obama?

So, in the end, they determined that an HRC/BHO ticket was a long shot.

Rush says: "Let’s say put Hillary on top, that’s a position she is familiar with. Therefore you’ve got a woman and a black, first time ever on the Democrat ticket. They don’t have a prayer." and Donna Brazillie and CNN goes gaga! Brazille says: "I think that comment is, as far as I can tell, a very un-American conversation.... [A]nd to suggest somehow or another that we are not capable of serving this country in the capacity of Commander-in-Chief is just, in my mind, mind-boggling."....do you think that Brazille and CNN will go gaga over KO and co?

Even the Douchebag DUmmies Olbermann panders to are sick of him:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2966150

Some highlights from sixstring's blog link (what is funny is the DU folks point out things OW has pointed out for years:

(Olbermann's issues with women)
stanwyck:
Olbermann, like Maher, often lets his disdain for women peak through his facade. And while I admire both Olbermann and Maher for many of their relentless attacks on the dangers we've endured under the Bush administration, I wish both had healthier attitudes toward women. Last week's "Real Time" had a nasty sequence on Hillary -- with all the panelists (men, as usual) piling on. And Olbermann has almost as much loathing for Hillary as he does for Bush. I'm an Obama supporter, but, as a woman, watching Keith and Bill has been more and more difficult. They're both become optional watching for me.

(Olbermann's Obsession with Bill O'Reilly)
Angry Mollusk
I'm a big fan of KO, but he needs to stop obsessing over scumbag Bill O'Reilly I'm a big fan of Keith Olbermann, and many of his commentaries dissecting the crimes of Bush have been superb- But I will admit his 'worst person of the week' segments get a bit predictable, as his seems to have grown obsessed with Bill O'Reilly. Billo is a right wing scumbag-we get it, move on.

(Olbermann is not orginal and steals from others)
Angry Mollusk
I think Olbermann-or his writers have stole a few talking points from Mike Malloy I'm convinced a number of the talking points in KO's commentaries exposing Bush as the criminal he is were lifted straight from the Mike Malloy radio show- either that, or it's an amazing coincidence. Anyone else notice this?

(Olbermann not a real journalist)
Mystery2Me
Real journalist? Go look up the word journalist in the dictionary and then get back to me. Ex-sports guy with a huge ego and a big mouth who is in love with the sound of his own voice? Yep, that's Keith. And I won't deny he is great when Bush bashing but he's running out of material. He needs to get a new act.

(Olbermann is flipside of Rush & has Obama bias)
Bumblebee
Yes, he is a "niche" journalist, like Rush. It used to be that his niche fit all of us; now it fits just those who support Obama, because his niche got further "niched." Above all, he is a showman -- with some principles, no doubt -- but they often degenerate into self-righteousness, and that is never "real" journalism

(Olbermann lite on news, like when he covered the Monica)
lwfern
I stopped watching him, too. I used to watch him daily, and recommended him to other people when he was the only one covering election fraud. I'm not seeing news now though. I'm seeing the same monica lewinsky style of reporting he used to do...

(Response to Olbermann's Obama bias)
truebrit71
Whatever...he's a fucking saint around here when he's bashing bush but when he calls Saint Hillary......out and shows her to be the muck-raking fear-monger she is, all of a sudden he's an arsehole... Many folks on DU need to pull their heads out of their collective arses and stop being so fucking stupid...

Here is another thread with more complaining:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2964558&mesg_id=2964558

Between his 'slippery' apology and his comedy show just sucking in general, the number of olbyloons are 'slipping' into extinction. Which goes back to what I said over 2 yrs ago. I think a great number of his viewing audience are people that DON'T like him which is ironically keeping his ratings just out of the tank!

Chickenblogger can't show one racists comment (nor could he) of mine but there is plenty of evidence to show what a dillhole he is.

Nice to see other places where KO's core audience is show serious wear and tear...I posted links last week to an article at HuffPo about his going after Jon Stewart for his Obama joke at the oscars and a large number of respondents said the same kinds of things, they were sick of KO or he was in the tank for HRC or BO (whichever one they were against), and that they were sick of his obsession w/ O'Reilly.

HILARIOUS!

the funniest thing that has come out of this election cycle has been that the dems have attacked each other and the press the way they have always attacked republicans

and they whine about bias and unfair time and rhetoric and non-answers, but they are talking about the other dem candidate then the one they support...which is what we have been complaining about for eons

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHa

""I would add other things that are going now to get a second look that they've long deserved. This dumb, nasty, ethnic rock 'n roll racist church that he(B. Hussein Obamanation) goes to in Chicago, that's gonna, he won't be able to walk away from that anymore." Chistopher Hitchens

Hitch hates all religon but even a broken clock is right twice a day and he is dead on about Obamanation's church.

Posted by: The Factor at March 5, 2008 11:58 PM "

Even KO is not delusional enough to take Christopher Hitchens on. I think even I would feel sorry for KO after Hitch finished with him. I think he learned his lesson after Mark Levin beat him to a bloody pulp.

Grammie

leftofcool (884 posts) Thu Mar-06-08 08:49 AM
Response to Original message
3. I love KO

but he will be fawning over McCain just like the rest of them. He works for a Republican owned corporation and in the end will say what they tell him.

Too funny. This leftofcool guy somehow thinks that Olbermann will suddenly turn around and stop attacking Republicans. Apparently the "Republican owned corporation" has been OK with, and apparently encouraging, Olbermann to eviscerate the Bush administration and anything right of center. Wow. How out of touch can that poster be?

Chickenblogger can't show one racists comment (nor could he) of mine but there is plenty of evidence to show what a dillhole he is.

Posted by: Sharon at March 6, 2008 12:55 PM

Just more of her (philby's) baseless accusations, nothing new. I think it's HILARIOUS she won't type my name Olby SUCKS even though she has claimed countless times in the past she doesn't like Olby. A closet olbyloon, I was right all along.

Olby S**ks! TDF!!!!

The more self-absorbed and basically dumb numbnuts like Olbermann get face time, the stronger our Republic will be.

He is a cautionary tale in full! Mothers can point to the tube and declaim -'For Chrissakes, go outside and get some exercise, Mycroft! Do want to grow up to be a pasty dweeb like Olbermann, or real tough guy like Rachel Maddow? Put down the remote and go out and play with real kids - the McCains!'

Yep, More Olbermann; more real Americans will develop.

Look what happened to the ChicagoTribune's Steve Chapman - he could have been a regular guy, gone to Mount Carmel and wrestled; beat up squares from Winnetka; dated skirts that rate, but no - the boy wanted to be like Keith Olbermann. Sad.

http://hickeysite.blogspot.com/2008/03/john-mccain-steve-chapman-parasol-woman.html

Looks like the Bush admin is about is about to force out Admiral Fallon (petraus's boss) for his attempots to block confrontation with Iran. So much for supporting the troops and listening to the commanders. Just another example of the hpocris of Bush Co.

Looks like the Bush admin is about is about to force out Admiral Fallon (petraus's boss) for his attempots to block confrontation with Iran. So much for supporting the troops and listening to the commanders. Just another example of the hpocris of Bush Co.

You freaking moron! I don't know anything about "philby," but I know the reason I do not type out S***s is because it is crude and low class. It has nothing to do with Olbermann.

While pondering this weeks news in review, I wonder how many of the brilliant strategists who believed occupying Iraq was such a great idea predicted the day when Ahmadinajad would be riding in triumphantly in a motorcycle motorcade (something our own politicians couldn't possibly do)?

Ho many of them predicted that the void left by our own actions would only empower and embolden Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?

How many of them predicted that the Shia would enevitably prevail, and therefore would naturally gravitate to Iran, who is also mostly Shia?

How many of these brilliant men STILL believe the silly idea that Al Qeada has (or had) any real chance of taking over Iraq?

Hint: They SHOULD have been able to predict all of this.....After all, Iraq WAS largely Shia and the hatred between the sects were already well known before the invasion.

There WERE smart Americans even on the right ho foresaw these things....Patrick Buchanon being one of the more prominant among them.

But I keep forgetting, GW Bush didn't know a thing about the demographics or history of the region at the time.....and apparently Hillary didn't know much more about it herself.

Despite all of this, many Americans are apparently STILL falling for the fallacy that "experience" somehow trumps wisdom regarding International politics.

Go figure........!

I do not type out S***s is because it is crude and low class. It has nothing to do with Olbermann.

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 2:02 PM

Calling people 'racists' with not a shred of proof is 'high class?' Ok, then.

mike, how come you aren't out there campaigning for President? Maybe applying for HS? How bout Secretary of State?

Even KO is not delusional enough to take Christopher Hitchens on. Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at March 6, 2008 1:23 PM

um, he already has, from a review of the MSNBC "Big Show" in 1997:

"The opening night's cracking-good panel featured four fine argumentative grumps -- left-wing contrarian Christopher Hitchens, right-wing hit-man David Brock, why- doesn't-everyone-realize-I'm-correct? feminist Naomi Wolf, and Boston-brawler newspaper columnist Mike Barnicle. They were all there to jaw about the prurient cynicism of the news media, precisely the thing MSNBC is starting to suffer from in the majority of its programming. Olbermann was, in effect, serving as in-house ombudsman -- an ideal role for him. More dustups like this would be a good idea, Keith. B+ "

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,289910,00.html

Chickenblogger can't show one racists comment (nor could he) of mine but there is plenty of evidence to show what a dillhole he is.

Posted by: Sharon at March 6, 2008 12:55 PM

Well, there's a reason for the particular testiness that you're seeing with the trivializing of the terms "racist" and "homophobe" that you're seeing from our chicken now.

The reason for that testiness was very well articulated by Florida Sen. Nelson making some rather couched but potent comments about DNC head Howard Dean and the consequences of unseating Florida's delegate.

It's priceless.... :D WIth this sort of "drama" it's a matter of minutes before we're called rapists and pedophiles.

Sit back and enjoy the angry wounded Chicken!

Considering Olbermann is good friends with secret spies Joe Wilson & Valerie, this may be the reason he won't have Christopher Hitchens on any time soon:

Clueless Joe Wilson
How did the CIA's special envoy miss Zahawie's trip to Niger?
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Monday, April 17, 2006

http://www.slate.com/id/2140058/

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,289910,00.html

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 2:26 PM

Yeah, the ensuing melee of that evening is the excuse Olbermann currently uses not to allow moderated debate on Countdown.

Of course he could interview members of both sides without the other being present, but he doesn't let that obvious fact sway him from this lame line of reasoning.

too funny! Media Matters points out how Olbermann is protecting his corporate GE sidekick Chris Matthews, then BLAMES Chris Matthews!

"Olbermann to Matthews: "[E]specially you" should "[d]istance yourself as far as you can from" the word "bitch" "

http://mediamatters.org/items/200803050002?f=h_latest

Ain't this sexy.....NOT!

Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews Are Frenemies

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2008/01/keith_olberman_and_chis_matthe.html

funny, this story has been up since jan 11th, no comments. My my, has Keith Olbermann become boring...

As usual, Cecelia, you managed to completely miss not only the nail, but even the board. You are particularly dense, aren't you?

Posted by: Mike at March 6, 2008 2:07 PM

So brilliant Mike thinks that the Middle East would be at "peace" if only Saddam were still in power trying to obtain nuclear weapons while Iran is busy making nuclear weapons. Mutually assured destruction does not work when one of the parties thinks destruction will bring back the 5th Imam and both parties also have bigger fish they both want to fry. Tell me again why Iran halted building nuclear weapons in 2003?

As usual, Cecelia, you managed to completely miss not only the nail, but even the board. You are particularly dense, aren't you?

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 2:51 PM

No, not by a long shot, but thanks for asking... :D

Chicken Blogger, if you equate KO being a moderator 11 years ago of a four person debate with attacking one of the guests by KO naming that same person WPITW now I can't help you.

What does the transcript of that show say to back up your claim that KO has already 'taken on' Hitchens.

Grammie

What does the transcript of that show say to back up your claim that KO has already 'taken on' Hitchens.

Grammie

Posted by: Janet Hawkins at March 6, 2008 3:01 PM

KO didn't "take on" Hitchens, KO whined like a baby when his guests ignored his ineffectual stammerings and took on each other. Especially since Chris Hitchens got in MORE than the last word to a Democratic pollster.

For a description of the event, you can go straight to the likes of the liberal site Salon at:

http://www.salon.com/media/1998/10/22media.html

Of course back then Hitchens it was before the Iraq war, so Hitchens agreed with Olby more often than not. Hitch took issue with Clinton, though, and Herr Olbermann could not stomach that (it was before Bear's Konversion to Obamamaniac). The rest of the panel was Olby pal plagiarist Barnicle, Naomi Wolf, and the token right-winger Brock. It's because Olby had to even face ANYONE who disagreed with him that he stayed in his bathtub so often rather than come in to do the show. And eventually quit entirely to do sports. Because listening to opposing viewpoints makes Edward R Olbermann nauseous. It was so much safer to sit in the safe confines of his tub.

t was so much safer to sit in the safe confines of his tub.
Posted by: johnny dollar at March 6, 2008 3:14 PM

Yeah, Olbermann's a smug sniveling self-important little sissy boy.

They always make the worst sort of closet bully.

Thanks for the link Cecelia.

You and J$ have confirmed what I thought!

Grammie

What does the transcript of that show say to back up your claim that KO has already 'taken on' Hitchens.
Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at March 6, 2008 3:01 PM

look it up yourself you old bag

What a pathetic and flawed analysis of the facts, Mike.....Saddam Hussein was just as much a deadly enemy of Israel as Iran was AND the overwhelming opinion of his intentions and likely behavior included the pursuit of WMD.

Your pathetic armchair quarterbacking is no better than Obamessiah who is starting to finally be seen my many as the silly man he truly is....He made one anti-war speech in 2002 and has offerred nothing constructive in the fight against islamic terrorism....and Saddam Hussein was a BIG supporter of such groups like Hezbollah who had killed thousands of people over the years.

What about NOW, Mike and Obamessiah? A power vacuum in Iraq now would allow the radical Shia a great place ijnh addition to Iran to spread terror, nevermind the great victory one would be handing to Al Queda....oh and never mind the millions of Iraqis who DO NOT WANT to live under totalitarianism!

You and Obamessiah are so short-sighted it is amazing....February saw the smallest amount of American deaths in a long time and you still believe it is not improving! Guess what, it is getting better, the government is progressing and unless it is all ruined by premature disengagement, Iraq will become a strong American ally right next door to Iran.

Funny, isn't it, that we have three (3) remaining presidential possibilities, two (2) of whom have discernible faith committments, who are known to and seen to worship, neither one (1) of which is John McCain, who has no discernible faith committment and who is not known as a worshipper, but OW's own crackpot Elmer Gantry has nothing but scorn and ridicule for the religious candidates. Well, maybe is we had some odd cultist running, Elmer C. Gantry would follow.

Oh...and Obamessiah's halo is starting to tilt alittle now that he has to actually attack HRC in order to secure his party's nomination. I cannot wait to see the polls react to the lack of "change" we will actually see the next SIX WEEKS as the democrats tear eachother down.....like this......

"'The race changed once it became clear that John McCain would be the Republican nominee,' Mrs. Clinton said on 'The Early Show.' 'And I think Democrats took a hard look at John McCain, with his emphasis on national security, and then took a hard look at the two of us, and concluded that I’m the best possible candidate to be commander in chief.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/05/us/politics/05cnd-campaign.html?ei=5065&en=1eab743fbebfd8f2&ex=1205384400&partner=MYWAY&pagewanted=print

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Oh my.....the neophyte who wants to desert Iraq to the terrorists who are currently losing to the greatest and most hard working men and women in the world is put down by his fellow democrat!.....

Keep it up HRC....you're doing a fine job!

Funny, isn't it, that we have three (3) remaining presidential possibilities, two (2) of whom have discernible faith committments, who are known to and seen to worship, neither one (1) of which is John McCain, who has no discernible faith committment and who is not known as a worshipper, but OW's own crackpot Elmer Gantry has nothing but scorn and ridicule for the religious candidates. Well, maybe is we had some odd cultist running, Elmer C. Gantry would follow.
Posted by: at March 6, 2008 4:06 PM

Oh, this is priceless!...

This idiot is chiding Cee for NOT being the one-issue simpleton stereotype that our chickenblogger wants him to be! :D

"Funny, isn't it, that we have three (3) remaining presidential possibilities, two (2) of whom have discernible faith committments, who are known to and seen to worship, neither one (1) of which is John McCain, who has no discernible faith committment and who is not known as a worshipper, but OW's own crackpot Elmer Gantry has nothing but scorn and ridicule for the religious candidates. Well, maybe is we had some odd cultist running, Elmer C. Gantry would follow."

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you have no idea what you are talking about.....

"Many years ago, a scared American prisoner of war in Vietnam was tied in torture robes by his tormenters and left alone in an empty room to suffer through the night. Later in the evening, a guard he had never spoken to entered the room and silently loosened the ropes to relieve his suffering. Just before morning, that same guard came back and re-tightened the ropes before his less humanitarian comrades returned.

"He never said a word to the grateful prisoner, but some months later on a Christmas morning as the prisoner stood alone in the prison courtyard, the same Good Samaritan walked up to him and stood next to him for a few moments. Then with his sandal, the guard drew a cross in the dirt. Both prisoner and guard stood wordlessly there for a minute or two venerating the cross until the guard rubbed it out and walked away.

"This is my faith, the faith that unites and never divides, the faith that bridges unbridgeable gaps in humanity. That is my religious faith and it is the faith I want my party to serve, and the faith I hold in my country. It is the faith that we are all equal and endowed by our creator with unalienable rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is the faith I would die to defend. Don't let...

(APPLAUSE)

Don't let anyone fool you about me, my friends, or about this crusade that we have begun. If you want to repair the people's confidence in the government that represents us, join us. If you want to restore the people's pride in America, join us. If you want to believe in a national purpose that is greater than our individual interests, join us."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0002/28/se.01.html

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This is the faith I respect....a faith TESTED.....I read Obamessiah's book...his testimony is nice however, I see so many contradictions in his ideology and what Christ preached about personal holiness and respect for life that I believe his faith is supressed for political convenience (Infants born alive).....And HRC!.....please....sitting in a church and praying again shows nothing to me....it is the character and her ideology is even less Christ-like....

So don't judge McCain falsly, anon.....His faith got him through his hateful incarceration of the secular left in Hanoi and I greatly appreciate that testimony of the power of faith.

You have no clue when to shut-up do you, Crackpot Cultic Cee?

Cecelia, be sure to follow the sandle to the right.

Monty Python doesn't have better material than you two.

"It is the faith that we are all equal and endowed by our creator with unalienable rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is the faith I would die to defend."

John SIDNEY McCain (thanks Cecelia)......

That is the "discernible faith committment" that I want in a President, anon.....Not the actors of faith like HRC or the conflicted secularist who cannot get himself to vote for a law that protects infants from murder.....

The "discernible faith committment" that our founding fathers had, who knew there was a loving creator and had no problem expressing it....and was not part of a political party who attracts secularists who scoff at people's faith in God and want such beliefs purged from our society.

Well, duh. February's the shortest month. Less days for our children to die.

(Thus ignoring the positives and calling our soldiers children. It's a twofer.)

You have no clue when to shut-up do you, Crackpot Cultic Cee?

Cecelia, be sure to follow the sandle to the right.

Monty Python doesn't have better material than you two.

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 4:23 PM

Damned if you do and damned if you don't.... hey, Cee... :D

Yep....I am a crackpot, cultic, racist, homophobe......

According FLUCKER's description, it seems I am a character of SPAMALOT....

With big wins in Ohio and Texas last night, Hillary Clinton has finally broken her losing streak and sent a clear message to Barack Obama: I'm not getting out.

For the Illinois senator, the meaning of the primaries is clear - he has to get tough. Hillary can still win this nomination. The proportional representation system of allocating delegates chosen by primaries and caucuses mutes the impact of the popular vote.

By the time the Texas caucuses are fully counted, Obama may have maintained or even expanded his delegate lead, despite Hillary's victories in three out of four states.

Among the remaining 600 delegates to be chosen, Obama should be able to add to his lead.

But there remain 800 superdelegates, each entitled to a full v ote. No matter if Obama leads among elected delegates, they can still deliver the nomination to Hillary.

Do they dare?

If Clinton is able to score a series of popular-vote victories in these late primaries, she could lay the basis for an appeal to the superdelegates to disregard the results of January and February and look instead at her success in the later contests.

The battle of Hillary is over.

The battle of Obama has begun!

Yep....I am a crackpot, cultic, racist, homophobe......

According FLUCKER's description, it seems I am a character of SPAMALOT....

Posted by: cee at March 6, 2008 4:46 PM

Well, you can take pride, Cee, that for about a minute and a half, instead of being a crackpot, cultic, racist, homophobe.... you were a hypocritical, dishwater Christian, political partisan sell-out...

The girls do it all for their Lord and Savior**

**Keithypoo...

"look it up yourself you [sic] old bag

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 3:35 PM "

Aww, did I upset the widdle Chicken Blogger?

Grammie

I pity the poor anonymous soul who day after day comes here and tells us how racist, homophobic, and sexist all of us republicans are. If he/shewould just pay any simple attention to the things we hold dear, he/she would be able to see that we want everyone to be equal (empasis on EVERYONE). It is his leftist comrades that want others to be more equal than others. Why should someone who is another race/sex/sexual preference have any kind of right greater to my own? How is that equality?

Ahhhhh, starting to come out that NAFTAgate was originally said by a Clinton hack, (who was given an ambassadorship to Canada in 1992 by Pres. Clinton):

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/03/06/738264.aspx#comments

http://images.theglobeandmail.com/v5/images/newspaper/20080306/sectionA-490.jpg?d=20080306

Aww, did I upset the widdle Chicken Blogger?
Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at March 6, 2008 4:57 PM

not at all, I just marvel at your "oldness"

I do not type out S***s is because it is crude and low class. It has nothing to do with Olbermann.

Posted by:philby at March 6, 2008 2:02 PM

You have no clue when to shut-up do you, Crackpot Cultic Cee?

Cecelia, be sure to follow the sandle to the right.

Monty Python doesn't have better material than you two.

Posted by:philby at March 6, 2008 4:23 PM

look it up yourself you old bag

Posted by:philby at March 6, 2008 3:35 PM

>> Just feel the class!

Fawning article, 235,34...oh I lost count (btw, does Oblermann really want to be compared favorably to Dennis Miller?):

The Deep Thoughts of Keith Olbermann
And other election coverage highlights.
By Troy Patterson
Wednesday, March 5, 2008, at 4:10 PM ET

Last night, Keith Olbermann kicked off MSNBC's election-returns coverage by unpacking a trunkload of figurative language suited to match the nasty weather in Ohio. He riffed on flood tides and sandbags and bridges. He self-consciously ventured that the storm constituted a form of divine gift, aid to "political reporters, desperate and weary, already out of analogies and imagery, and it's only March." And then, as is the habit of commentators on that most pop-savvy and merrily allusive of news networks, he plunged deeper into reference, speaking of "M.C. Escher-like perceptions," Groundhog Day, and celebrity chef Anthony Bourdain, further attempting "a Cape Canaveral kind of analogy" and some Jiffy Lube sort of imagery, and nodding to the Oregon Treaty of 1846 in a way that risked a neck sprain. It added up to a vision of anchoring as a free-form Dennis Miller routine.

http://www.slate.com/id/2185849/

Actually of course mike is right and this three trillion dollar war is in a large part of the reason we are now in a recession.

Great job mike, don't pay any attention to the nuts because you were spot on.

Great job mike, don't pay any attention to the nuts because you were spot on.

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 5:20 PM

Stop bangin' the headboard against the wall, people are trying to sleep!

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 5:20 PM

No more casualties to complain about so now money is the new talking point from the DNC. March on zombie, march on.

Aww, did I upset the widdle Chicken Blogger?
Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at March 6, 2008 4:57 PM

not at all, I just marvel at your "oldness"
'
Posted by: at March 6, 2008 5:08 PM

We're unamazed by your staleness...

Well, at least we know Keith's balance problem issues would have kept him from riding a bicycle through Times Square at 3:45 in the morning...

"Great job mike, don't pay any attention to the nuts because you were spot on."

Don't worry, I never pay much attention to those who offer nothing more than insults (ie. "pathetic analysis", "flawed, "short sighted, "Obamessiah", etc.), along with unprovable predictions in place of reasoned and fact base arguments as rebuttals.

Did you notice that none of the responses to my 2:07 PM post really even attempted to address or to really debate the text of my narrative?.....They simply beat around it using tired old talking and plattitudes.

Funny the factor after a war that has made Iran so much stronger by eliminating both their enimeis, and after throwing 3 trillion dollars in the toilet causing as recession, and after having been wrong every single point along the way you would call anyone a zombie.

Hey though the president of Iran gets to run around Iraq to a heros greeting and our president has to sneak in the dead of night. Sounds like the surge sure has been succesful.

Don't get me wrong we are down from the catestrophic violence in the country to the catostrophic levels of 2005, you know, back when you guys were still wrong about their even being an insurgency.

I know I won't get through to you, we could spend another 3 trillion on this war, have a ten year recession, have no stability in iraq(still) have a much stronger taliban (gaining strength while we are in Iraq), owe over a trillion to China (fueling their economy and hurting ours) have the value of the dollar plummet, have new Orleans still in the shitter, out a few more CIA agents, start another catestrophic war and you would still say this president is doing a good job. Zombie on my zombie friend! unlike me you have reall earned the title.

It looks like George Bush is doing for America what he did for Arbusto. Gotta love that MBA president.

Thursday, the Joint Economic Committee, chaired by Senator Chuck Schumer, conducted a public examination of the costs of the war. The witnesses included the Nobel Prize-winning economist, Joseph Stiglitz (who believes the overall costs of the war — not just the cost to taxpayers — will reach $3 trillion), and Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International.

Both men talked about large opportunities lost because of the money poured into the war. “For a fraction of the cost of this war,” said Mr. Stiglitz, “we could have put Social Security on a sound footing for the next half-century or more.”

Mr. Hormats mentioned Social Security and Medicare, saying that both could have been put “on a more sustainable basis.” And he cited the committee’s own calculations from last fall that showed that the money spent on the war each day is enough to enroll an additional 58,000 children in Head Start for a year, or make a year of college affordable for 160,000 low-income students through Pell Grants, or pay the annual salaries of nearly 11,000 additional border patrol agents or 14,000 more police officers.

What we’re getting instead is the stuff of nightmares.

We're unamazed by your staleness...
Posted by: Cecelia at March 6, 2008 5:48 PM

pot meet kettle, her name is Cecelia, the most tedious of them all...

“we could have put Social Security on a sound footing for the next half-century or more.”

What good is social security with a nuke shoved up your ass?

?.....They simply beat around it using tired old talking and plattitudes.

Posted by: Mike at March 6, 2008 6:03 PM

Notice how you post nothing but tired old worn out opinions?

"Did you notice that none of the responses to my 2:07 PM post really even attempted to address or to really debate the text of my narrative?.....They simply beat around it using tired old talking and plattitudes. "

Yeah, I noticed. It is really odd, I don't know about you but I often visit this site out of simple amazement that their exists people who could still think this war was a good idea or that this president is doing a good job.

It seems to me the only way for them to keep this mindset is to ignore the fact that we have made Iran stronger, and to ignore the costs of the war, and to ignore the fact that there were no WMDs, and to ignore the fact that mission has been accomplished, and to ignore the fact that we weren't greeted as liberators, and to ignore the fact that their was no insurgency, and to ignore the fact that te insurgency was in it's last throes, and to ignore the fact that the president had no idea that their were Shia and sunni in iran.

If you can ignore all that then sure it is easy to support this president. It's amazing really.

Funny the factor after a war that has made Iran so much stronger by eliminating both their enimeis, and after throwing 3 trillion dollars in the toilet causing as recession, and after having been wrong every single point along the way you would call anyone a zombie.
Posted by: at March 6, 2008 6:20 PM

I know you are too stupid to understand what caused the slow down since you get your advice and talking points from the slip and fall lawyer Chuck Schumer and Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs who wants the Government to bail his ass out on the bad loans he made but let me explain. Your democrats pushed banks to make bad loans to people who had no business getting loans with the Government’s "Red Lining" laws. I also throw a lot of blame at the feet of that crook at Goldman Sachs and other mortgage companies who thought if they throw enough money at politicians, they can make bad loans and the politicians will bail their asses out. People like Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama who have both received the majority of their campaign money from Goldman, Citi, and other mortgage companies. We can also thank the Democrats giving the United States the 2nd highest corporate tax rate in the world. We can also thank the Democrats for not letting oil companies drill for oil anywhere in the United States so that we depend on the crooks at OPEC for our oil. Your Democrats have done what all fascist do. They have threatened big companies with regulations so the big companies will shovel them money just like they did with Microsoft. War spending has nothing to do with it.

Gosh the factor, your right and that noble prize economist must not have any idea what he is talking about. I feel really stupid for taking his side over yours, I mean he got a PHD in economics and won the most prestigious prize in the world for it and your an idiot who writes on Olbermann watch, how could I have thought he might have known more about the economy than you?

I mean it made no sense anway, spend 3 trillion dollars on things that blow up and go up in smoke and that sure is going to be good for the economy. Sure, there is no investment in roads or jobs that would require us to spend money hiring American construction workers who would then spend money at american restrunt's for lunch, who would in turn use that money to pay rent to american landlords. instead of an of that we spent all that money to blow up things and degrade our army.

Man me and that noble prize winning economist sure feel stupid. Zombie, Zombie what's in your head?

It seems to me the only way for them to keep this mindset is to ignore the fact that we have made Iran stronger
Posted by: at March 6, 2008 7:06 PM

How exactly did we make Iran stronger when North Korea, Russia, and Pakistan were selling Iran the technology they needed to make nuclear weapons while Saddam was still in power? Why do you think Saddam was trying to convince the world he had WMD’s? Are you actually stupid enough to think that Iran would not fire a nuclear weapon at Israel or give a nuclear weapon to a terrorist group because Saddam is in power? You liberals truly are stupid. No wonder you voted for Jimmy Carter. Another loser who thought he could give hugs and kisses to every blood thirsty tyrant in the world. We can now thank him for Hugo Chavez and his soon to start South American war.

Sure, there is no investment in roads or jobs
Posted by: at March 6, 2008 7:27 PM

The Goverment has never been able to create secure jobs and wealth in the economy by spending money you moron. The goverment pumps money into the economy by stealing it from people who do create jobs. What good does a 3 year road project do when the goverment has shut down small business with taxes to do it? Your tired Keynesian stupidity is to be laughed at.

Well, I see after handily losing the argument on the economy you've moved on to areas you feel you are in a stronger position to argue.

As for how iran got stronger, you may have heard that there used to be an enemy of Iran on their border, he was a petty mean dictator who invaded Iran killing a million of their people. Iran doesn't worry about that so much now. in fact the have a frinedly goverment who invites their president in like a king while ours has to sneak in during the dead of night. in fact many experts now say iraq is becoming economically dependent on iran.

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 7:47 PM

What total stupidity makes you think that Iran gave a lick that Saddam was in power? When Iran gains Nuclear weapons will they will want to use them against Israel or us whether Saddam is in power or not. Wipe you ass with you "experts". The fact is that Iran only stopped making nuclear weapons after we invaded Iraq. Your trust of tyrants and dictators is to be laughed at.

The factor, you are arguing that spending money domestically is bad because it takes from the private sector. There is an argument to be made for that and Friedman influenced economist would make it but what your dipshit ass missed is that the three trillion has already been taken from the private sector. It went from the private sector to the WAR in IRAQ. Stupid!

Now take that same money already "Stolen" as you put it from the business world and put it in the economy domestically then you will see it circulate... Meaning if you hire a guy to fix a road he takes that mone and eat's a cheeseburger at joes.

The factor, your stupidity is truly wearing, I mean truly you are an idiot. Even economist from the Chicago school of economics (that is friedman you moron) would agree it is better for the econmy to spend three trillion dollars at home than on bombs that go boom!

Don't make an argument about keynes when you don't even understand it is unwise for you to go announcing you are a moron to everyone like that.

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 8:03 PM

When did I say spending money on a war was good for the economy? I simply shot down your stupid argument that using the money for government projects would help the economy. The government spending money to protect this country is the only reason for the federal government to raise taxes. The invasion of Iraq is protecting the interest of this country.

Look who's getting an hour of spin on NBC, says TVNewser:

"From a TVNewser tipster: I work for an NBC affiliate. We've been notified that NBC will air another prime time installment of Countdown with Keith Olbermann at 7:00 on Sunday, March 30.

MSNBC spokesperson Alana Russo confirms."

Uhh, the factor, see I made the argument that the war is why were are in recession. (look at the post) I backed it up with a noble prize economist. You argued that other things caused it. (see your post above) no one backing it up.

Now your logic is that keynes is bad because it rips off money from the private sector. you are in essence arguing that taking money from the private sector is bad and that it stifles economic growth.

Now stay with me, if you take money from the private sector for a war. you have still hurt the economy. In fact since it is THREE TRILLION DOLLARS! you have really hurt the economy. because three trillion has been taken!

Now my argument is that if we had invested it domestically it is money that would be circulating around the U.S. but if we just left it in the hands of everyone without taking for domestic projects as you would seem to prefer we would still have money circulating arounf the US meaning the war seriously hurth the economy.

Basically you didn't shoot don't shit. because if the money were used domeastically or left alone it would still be circulating in the U.S. Spending it on a war does no such thing.

Also, for the record though there is an argument to be made against keynes saying, using Keynes is laughable, is an ad hominem fallacy and not an argument a

So if making a logical fallacy is your idea of shooting something down you are far dumber than even I have accused you of being.

Oh and for the record the CIA just concluded Iran has no nucklear program, though they do seem to be the dominant force now in the middle east. Good job dubya.

Uhh, the factor, see I made the argument that the war is why were are in recession. (look at the post) I backed it up with a noble prize economist. You argued that other things caused it. (see your post above) no one backing it up.
Posted by: at March 6, 2008 8:26 PM

I never said there was a recession. And if you knew anything about the economy, you would no that there are many factors that hurt the economy, not just high government spending. Excessive taxes and excessive regulation also hurt the economy as well as inflation which is cause by the goverment.

Oh, and didn't the CIA say the Iraq had WMD's?

Many at DU have come to their senses. But now they have a defense of KO thread going in response to the ones listed here earlier.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2967936

“WE CAN NEVER REPAY HIM FOR OR FORGET THE EFFECT OF THOSE EARLY SPECIAL COMMENTS.

His patriotism could have cost him his job, and he became our voice, anyway . . . But loyalty is important. We owe Keith Olbermann...the country owes him a lot. We can never forget that.”

"The factor, your stupidity is truly wearing, I mean truly you are an idiot."

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 8:03 PM

"I backed it up with a noble prize"

posted by same person

"Iran has no nucklear program"

posted by same person

"you are a moron"

posted by same person

His patriotism could have cost him his job, and he became our voice
Posted by: at March 6, 2008 8:46 PM

Yes, his Bush bashing really cost him a lot. That's why he got a 4 million dollar contract extension. Bush bashing has really hurt poor John Stewart and Steven Colbert too.
What a joke. Smearing people, using Nazi propaganda tactics, and lying really take a lot of courage.

“WE CAN NEVER REPAY HIM FOR OR FORGET THE EFFECT OF THOSE EARLY SPECIAL COMMENTS.

His patriotism could have cost him his job, and he became our voice, anyway . . . But loyalty is important. We owe Keith Olbermann...the country owes him a lot. We can never forget that.”

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 8:46 PM

Olbermann's first designated Special Education Komment was in Aug '06, interestingly... right before the congressional elections... Two thirds of Americans had turned against the war and Bush's poll numbers are/were in the toilet.

Oh, yeah, give Olbermann a Profile In Courage Award! :D

Al Franken didn't pay his employee's workman’s comp for 3 years. LOL Now New York state coming after him. You can't make this stuff up. Truly he is a man of the people.

"The invasion of Iraq is protecting the interests of this country."

REALLY?...............................................................!

More anti-Ko thread on DU - the natives are restless there

"Is Keith Olbermann on the payroll of the Obama campaign?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4936785

Something is not right. He is pushing Obama HARD
His Fox style bashing of Hillary is beyond outrageous.
Questioning her Democratic credentials? Demanding that she drop out.
Where does he come up with this stuff?
I used to respect him - but he has lost ALL credibility with his vile hatred towards all things Hillary.
Sir, have you no shame?

Draw Bear's bath now, Katy.

Factor, Franken is very left wing yet doesn't take his responsibility to pay his share of workman's Comp and says it was just a misunderstanding.

Howard dean is very left wing but is encouraging michigan and Florida to redo their primaries on anyone else's nickle but the DNC whose rules put them in the conumdrum they're in.

They are to admired b/c they are true to their ideology: Spend Other People's Money for their schemes and ideas.

Grammie

"Something is not right. He is pushing Obama HARD."

Something to do with being against a really stupid war that Hillary supported maybe?

"His Fox style bashing of Hillary is beyond outrageous." DU Native

Like this moron has ever watched Fox News in his life. Is that all this morons do is invent strawmen.

Something to do with being against a really stupid war that Hillary supported maybe?

Posted by: Mike at March 6, 2008 9:41 PM

No. It has more to do with the FACT that he has been holding his finger in the air since day one. "As a long time obama supporter!" ROFLMAO!!!

Their Just 'Morons!'

By LOLITA C. BALDOR

WASHINGTON - Al-Qaida terrorists may be plotting more urgently to attack the United States to maintain their credibility and ability to recruit followers, the U.S. military commander in charge of domestic defense said Thursday.

> No. It has more to do with the FACT that he has been holding his finger in the air since day one.

Are you talking about Mike or Olbermann?

> No. It has more to do with the FACT that he has been holding his finger in the air since day one.

Are you talking about Mike or Olbermann?

Posted by: at March 6, 2008 10:16 PM

I should have been more specific. Both. My apologies.

mike thinks iraq can exist without having a reasonably good relationship with the GIANT neighbor on its border, iran. It may mean throwing out the red carpet once in awhile, but mike doesn't think in big pictures.

Mike, what makes your boy Obama any better than Hillary?

Mike, what makes your boy Obama any better than Hillary?

Posted by: James at March 6, 2008 10:40 PM

"obama voted against the war" is mikes only answer. He won't tell you he voted FOR porno on school pc's, adult stores (porno) in school neighborhoods are also okie dokie to obama. He votes "here" on anything of any importance. Only shows up 37% of the time. I could go on and on, but, it falls on deaf ears.

I don't think Obama had a vote in the war did he?

Another hour of brave Keith attacking Hillary without having her there to defend herself.

The Hillary commercial that won't go away in Keith's world.
I'm just wondering why he keeps bringing this Hillary's commercial up, who cares already.

Tonight Keith said about Hillary:
Hillary is McCain
She has a fascination with McCain(how awful)
Clinton's campaign has crashed.- she's won 3 out of the last 4 states, is that what Keith's calls a crash?

Story number 5 and 4 is Hillary
Why Does Keith expect any candidate running for President to play nice, didn't anybody brief him on politics before he took this job?

Sure Hillary is complementing McCain now, if she wins the democratic nomination I have feeling that love fest will be over.

Obamy did NOT have a vote on the war, he did, however, deliver a speech about it to a handful of anti-war lefties.

"but you seem to invariably steer towards the hooded ones."

I suppose you mean someone like Democrat Robert Byrd, the only member of Congress to have served as a Grand Kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan? Or maybe Jessie "Hymietown" Jackson? Or possibly our very own Keith "Roscoe's Chicken and Waffles" Olbermann?

Let me rephrase mikes answer. "He was against the war!" Just so you know, dp, he has used the same defense at least 10 times. "As a long time obama supporter!" LOL! 2 months, tops!

"Bovine, you should apply to be Moron in Chief's memoir writer. Then you can tell us all what "You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie" and "I don't think much about OBL" really mean."

That's so funny you making fun of the President. That hardly ever happens. Calling him "Moron in Chief" and whatnot. It's just so original and funny. My side...oh, my side....

That's so funny you making fun of the President. That hardly ever happens. Calling him "Moron in Chief" and whatnot. It's just so original and funny. My side...oh, my side....

Posted by: Rick at March 6, 2008 11:22 PM

Yes, dark power is quite the circus act. The olbyloons must be proud to have him on their side as evidenced by their silence.

"Obamy did NOT have a vote in the war. He did, however, deliver a speech to a handfull of lefties."

News flash to Mr. Farkas:............It wasn't just "lefties" who were against invading Iraq.

It never had anything to do with 'left vs right'....just common sense vs fearmongering.

http://www.valuesusa.net/whatobamawants.html

"I've answered 8 questions, I have shit in my pants and I have to leave because you asked me about my land deals, but, I want to be President of the United States!"

"http://www.valuesusa.net/whatobamaants.html"

Fearmongering and Smearmongering.....Thats pretty much all you know.

"http://www.valuesusa.net/whatobamaants.html"

Fearmongering and Smearmongering.....Thats pretty much all you know.

Posted by: Mike at March 6, 2008 11:36 PM

Dispute one item from that site, mike. Please.

"I have shit in my pants and I have to leave because you asked me about my land deals, but, I want to be President of the United States."

I can just see it now.......Whitewater II.

Maybe you have a point there. But on the other hand, would it have made any difference if we had known more about GWB's drunk driving convictions....or maybe how he liked to blow up frogs with firecrackers hen he was a kid?

Nah!

I know....you either become another Dahmmer....or maybe you just become president of the United States instead!

"Dispute one item from that site, mike, please."

Why?

I'm pretty certain you wouldn't break your perfect record of never engaging in honest debate even if I did.

http://www.valuesusa.net/whatobamawants.html

Posted by: olby SUCKS at March 6, 2008 11:33 PM

Ah, the power of Hope!! Apparently Obama hopes that if a baby survives an abortion, the doctor has a trash can near by.

Maybe you have a point there. But on the other hand, would it have made any difference if we had known more about GWB's drunk driving convictions....or maybe how he liked to blow up frogs with firecrackers hen he was a kid?

posted by mike

Are those horrible comparisons even close to making shady land deals? That's a rhetorical question.

March 7, 2008 12:12 AM

It's better than voting for Cook county slum lord lovin Rock n Roll racist. I wonder if Obamanation congratulated his buddy Farrakhan today.

Hey guys, don't respond, especially with any quotes, so that when either Bob or J$ sees this and does a mass delete there nothing to show she/he/it was here.

Grammie

Guess which party the terrorists are backing, again?

"There was only one presidential candidates name found on the terrorists computers that were found last week and it wasn't John McCains."

Then, the terrorists must not be as bright as we are told because the Bush administration has certainly done all it can to protect Bin Laden and promote the growth of Al Qaeda in Iraq. They've never had it so good, and Hamas is prospering as well.

Hey NOBODY,

I didn't know the US was at war with Hamas. Are you saying we are, or that you want the US to be? Is every member of Hamas fair game to you? If Bush drops a bomb on some Hamas people tomorrow any place in the world are you going to approve?

"Bush administration has certainly done all it can to protect Bin Laden and promote the growth of Al Qaeda in Iraq."

Keep listening to olby and burying your face in those far left blogs. It's doing wonders to your mind. Anyone that thinks Bush would protect Bin Loser certifiable. Do you block the doors at recruiting stations, too?

Joseph Wilson stated in his column on The Huffton Post-
"During the 2002-2003 timeframe, Obama was a minor local official uninvolved in the national debate on the war so we can only judge from his own statements prior to the 2008 campaign.
There is no credible reason to conclude that Obama would have acted any differently in voting for the authorization had he been in the Senate at that time. Indeed, he has said as much."

And since Obama didn't have a vote on Iraq using that argument is pointless.

The true argument for Hillary and Obama is what will they do with the war if they get elected?
Will they pull out of that desert hell hole, saving the U.S. money and blood shed or
Will they keep the troops there longer and try to fix the mess we created?

I know what Hillary and Obama are saying now, but when they're in power and really get to know the situation in Iraq I wonder what will they do?

"Are those horrible comparisons even close to making shady land deals? Thats a rhetorical question."

As a matter of fact, blowing up innocent animals with firecrackers easily tops any so called "shady" land deals in the rhelm of being dispicable.

BTW, when you ask something you intend as a "rhetorical question", it isn't necessary to call it that.

And to elaborate a little further, calling your so called 'rhetorical questions' as such is pretty much the same thing as saying "I just told a joke" after you say something you think is funny.

Oh my....the same tired arguments from the left against fighting for freedom and democracy!......They can no longer use flag covered coffins and "numbers of dead" to scare the American people...the macabre has lost its punch because the good guys are winning in Iraq....so instead they use the fer tactice of recession connected to the war (a very illogical argument) to try to increase the numbers of opposition.....

Nice try....it won't work and if a reversal of policy is instituted in Iraq after more than two years of gains, the American people will rightly blame the commander-in-chief who took the "new road" in Iraq....This is the great debate that will take place between either the neophyte Obamessiah or the dem machine candidate HRC v. the honorable former POW and honest/consistent supporter of the military and America McCain.....

Wonderful! Let's have at it and see the cost of freedom of religion and thought versus supporting islamic totalitarianism, uh Mike and anon poster with no brain?

As for Bin Laden, Jeff, you cannot name one (1) thing Bush has done to capture him. Bush hasn't done anything except rant and rave, bluster and swagger. And, you know that.
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No, I don't block the doors, Royal King. I have actually been in a Recruiting Office. A damn sight more than Elmer C. Gantry and you have ever done, cowering behind your keyboards and war whooping. Damn chicken hawks. A scourge on our nation.
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Do you actually watch the news, Rico? Are you aware what is going on in Israel as you set on your fat backside praising every fart from Bush?
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A really good article in the Times of London today discussing the difficulties Iraqi police/troops are having in protecting Mosul. They are making a good solid effort. Here's hoping we do something tangible to help them instead of chasing some pipe dream about a democratic Iraq.

Aw, poor anonymous poster tries and fails again.....his leftist terrorists bomb a recruiting station and all he has is the illogical and baseless chickenhawk argument for his imaginary enemies here at OW.....The republican's presidential nominee IS a great military hero compared to the left's anti-American nonservers and the coward poster dares to go down the road of "who served."

Well, oh well, as the left targets America's recruiting stations for violence and death along with the radical terrorists in Iraq who target innocent civilians American troops are bravely protecting, I hope the left remembers their position on freedom and liberty as their silly candidates target eachother over tax returns and mortgage contracts....oh what a silly season the democrat party priomary has come to be!.....

he, he, he.....what a bunch of losers!

Oh..an another point of the coward anonymous in regard to what happened in Jerusalem yesterday....

Who killed those innocent people in the seminary?.....Hamas terrorists....Who used to support Hamas terrorists?.....Saddam Hussein....

Oh my....part of the rationale of removing Hussein from his leadership in Iraq was his support of terrorism......2003......

"Iraq gives $10,000 to the families of those killed within 30 days of death. In total, Saddam has given more than $35 million to West Bank and Gaza Strip families of Palestinians killed during the fighting, said Ibrahim Zanen, spokesman for the Arab Liberation Front in Gaza. Initially, families of suicide bombers received $25,000 from Saddam, but now everyone receives an equal $10,000.

"'President Saddam considers the Palestinian people as part of his Arab nation. Both of us, the Iraqis and the Palestinians, are in the same trench facing an ugly aggression,' Zanen said. 'The President considers this small gift to the families as just a symbol of support for those who have reached the highest degree of martyrdom.'

"'It shows that Saddam is involved in every activity that is terrorism and murderous and leads to instability in the Middle East,' counters Amira Oron, a spokeswoman for Israel's Foreign Ministry."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/14/world/main543981.shtml

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So the lie Mike and the brainless anonymous poster tried to give us regarding Hussein's lack of involvement in terrorism in the middle east is easily refutted.....over 35 million dollars in support of the killing of innocents in Israel is now GONE thanks to our brave men and women in uniform and justice has been served....

How much is justice worth, leftists?.....You mind helping out innocent women and children faced with endless support for their terrorist enemies who have no problem randomly shooting them or blowing them up?....You are going to argue about pennies when innocent lives and justice for the evil works of men are protected by America's bravest and most honorable?

And what about the brave Iraqis who are standing up against the current living evil men who want to take over Iraq and RESTART the support for terrorism.....like Obamessiah who wants to squander the success we have seen these last 12 months by simply withdrawing in shame and defeat?

I will side with the honorable and compassionate former POW, Senator McCain who stood for freedom and justice against leftists totalitarians and knows what is at stake in Iraq for Iraqis, for peace loving people in the middle east and for America.

A typical Cee post:

"Blah, blah, blah .... anti-American .... blah, blah, blah ..... leftists ..... blah, blah, blah ..... what a bunch of losers ..... blah, blah, blah, ..... left targets America blah, blah, blah, .... macabre ..... blah, blah, blah, ..... he, he, he, ..... blah, blah, blah, ..... coward poster ..... blah, blah, blah, ..... neophyte Obamessiah ..... blah, blah, blah, ...... ruling elite ......blah, blah, blah ..... un-American ..... blah, blah, blah"

Good golly Miss Molly Cee! ..... Do you even bother to read your own posts?

Try it for once. They're literally chock full of nothing but slogans, plattitudes, and insults.....but pretty much devoid of any real substance.

A reference to 35 million dollars given by Hussein to Palestinian terrorists is not substance to our resident leftist apologist, Mike. You said Hussein had nothing to do with terrorism and instability on the middle east in radical islam's goal of ridding the world of Israel, yesterday....I find one simple article showing you are wrong and you dismiss it all with, "blah...."

Nice Mike....instead of substance you retreat from confronting a challenge to your lies about Hussein and our reasons for removing him which included his support of Hamas terrorists....

Oh well....keep looking like the irrational radical you really are....especially as you support Obamessiah and his vacant foreign policy devoid of thought or expertise.

And the ravings continue unabated:

"Blah, blah, blah ..... lie Mike and brainless anonymous poster tired to give ..... blah, blah, blah ,,,,, leftists ..... blah, blah, blah ..... brave Iraqis ..... blah, blah, blah ..... Obamesiah ..... blah, blah, blah ..... shame and defeat ..... blah, blah, blah ..... compasionate former POW ..... blah, blah, blah ..... good vs eveil ..... blah, blah, blah ..... leftist totalitarians ..... blah, blah, blah ..... peace loving people ...... anti-American ...... blah, blah, blah."

Cee, you know that fanatic that McCain refuted at one of his rallies last week?

It's pretty damn certain that if YOU were a speaker at one of his rallies.....he would repudiate you as well!

"Ho many of them predicted that the void left by our own actions would only empower and embolden Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?"

Mike....yesterday......

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Iran was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along, Mike?.....Are you that stupid or do you like to lie and then ignore the proof that totally destroyed your silly post.

Oh and in regards to McCain....I have been a supporter since 2000, Mike.....and as a supporter, I know much more about his ideology and prodemocracy stands than you do and I assure you, he is not going to abandon people who are struggling to form a society that respects life, religious pluralism and liberty......unlike the guy you support.

And McCain will make this very clear. And with facts and figures...not rhetoric, demogoguery and an empty suit....

oh my Obamessiah!.....weep, faint then weep again!.....

Oh and how about Mrs. McCain's wonderful response to the anti-American comments from Ms. Obamessiah?.....did you forget about that nice comment, Mike?

Are there reciepts for these very convenient payments, Phari-cee? You seem very credulous of news reports when they support your bloodthirsty preferrences.

Do you have any interest at all in the Royal telethons held openly by the Saudis in the interests of precisely the same beneficiaries? Not so much, eh?

Squeamish about criticizing the people your fetish/president has made our landlords?

And Cee, nice try, but I NEVER stated Saddam had nothing at all to do with terrorism of any kind. It was NO secret that he monetarily supported the families of suicide bombers in Israel by compensating them when their homes ere bulldozed.

However, he had NOTHING whatsoever to do with Al Qeada or 911, and we did NOT invade Iraq on the premise of ending his support of the FAMILIES of dead terrorists.

And I just LOVED how you just called trillions of dollars "pennies".

Blah, blah, blah!

Oh Loin, you're in support for military action against Saudi Arabia?.....Does Kucinich or Nader want that too?

Tkae your red herring and throw it back into the sea, Loin....My specific rebuttal was to Mike's erroneous or cynical claim that there was no terrorist threat from Mr. Hussein....he was ALWAYS involved with the same bad actors in the middle east throughout the 1990's and early 2000's and George Bush was just in removing him from power.....

Old news...now the present....what do we do to achieve a situation like post war South Korea, Japan or Germany?.....We continue to support our ally Iraq in security, in politcs and in social/humanitarian ways to insure the radicals do not take over. McCain has a plan for this goal.....HRC and Obamessiah do not......

That is the issue, Loin....I will not take your bait to change that subject Mike and the stupid anonymous poster tripped into.

Cee: "Are you that stupid or do you like to lie and then ignor proof that totally destroyed your silly post."

Do you want to go for a new record as to how many insults you can place within a single sentence?

Remember, the honorable John McCain would disavow all of your slogan and insult filled posts in a New York minute.

Blah, blah, blah!

Mike, you lie....you psoested yesterday:

"Ho many of them predicted that the void left by our own actions would only empower and embolden Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?"

"Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?"

"Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?"

"Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?"

"Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?"

"Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?"

"Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?"

"Iran, who was the only REAL threat to Israel in the region all along?"

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Get it Mike?....Saddam's monetary support to terrorists in Palestine that would go into Israel and shoot or blow up Israelis represents a REAL THREAT to Israel....does it not?....

Oh well....I know you pattern of trying to change your previous silliness.....And the US resolution allowing military action against Iraq included the ruler's support for international terrorism.....and Bush even mentioned it in his pre-invasion speech in which he gave Saddam the out of simply stepping down prior to hostilities.....which he chose to ignore, BTW.....

So Mike...your stupid claims about the past are incorrect....Iraq was a threat to Israel and his support for terrorism was a rationale for his removal.....Trying to change history is cynical and wrong but you have tried it before.

Cee: "My specific rebuttal was to Mike's erroneous or cynical claim that there as no terrorist threat to Israel."

But you see Cee...."Mike" NEVER said "there as no TERRORIST threat from Mr. Hussein"!

What "Mike" SAID was thet "Iran was the only real threat to Israel in the region".....and I stand by that statement.

NOW do you want to address Loin's question about Saudi Arabia?

...so for Phari-cee and the senile McCain there is no limit to the treasure we will waste on propping up an intransigent foreign government founded on stolen soil. Remember what a real president once said about the danger of "foreign entanglements":

"It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world, so far, I mean, as we are now at liberty to do it; for let me not be understood as capable of patronizing infidelity to existing engagements. I hold the maxim no less applicable to public than to private affairs that honesty is always the best policy. I repeat, therefore, let those engagements be observed in their genuine sense, but in my opinion it is unnecessary and would be unwise to extend them."

The obsessive, arbitrary, and costly infatuation/paternalism that many Americans have for Israel flies in the face of Washington's wisdom. Since Phari-cee clearly sees the entire Iraq fiasco boiling down to a favor we are doing for Israel, it must be recognized that we are disposing of over 2 billion dollars a month for this petulent and unreciprocating ally, and I simply don't believe that its worth it. Please remember, the vast majority of our over-blown "terrorism" problems stem directly from this support on our part. What the fuck are we trying to prove?

They must make some effort to ameliotrate their own issues, and I would suggest that would involve a recognition that the dispossessed deserve some material acknowlegement, and that claims of "democracy" are incompatible with a religious/ethnic test for full citizenry.

Phari-cee, since you refuse to enlist in the American armed forces to suport your disastrous political decisions, why don't you go fight for Israel, instead of destroying my children's futures by wasting our national wealth for generations into the future? Make an honest Zionist warmonger of yourself.

But on the other hand, would it have made any difference if we had known more about GWB's drunk driving convictions....or maybe how he liked to blow up frogs with firecrackers hen he was a kid?

Nah!

I know....you either become another Dahmmer....or maybe you just become president of the United States instead!
Posted by: Mike at March 6, 2008 11:43

Come on, Mike. Cocaine use is nor more legal than drunk driving. Both made mistakes. Blowing up frogs with firecrackers? Yuck, but Dahmer (and other cannibalists) showed a macabre interest in the insides of living things, preserving them, having the power over them. Get serious.

A more serious issue. True, Obama spoke out against the tide concerning the war . . . except when he was running for Senate and did not want to criticize Edwards and Kerry in 2004. Tell me again how his Senate votes have separated his position from that of HRC, who voted to allow the President authorization for war?

No Cee, it does NOT!

Relatively minor support to the families of Palestinian bombers did NOT represent "a "REAL" threat to Israel".

I know people on your side quake and cringe at the very thought of random terrorism, but I never have....and I never will....nor can it ever be a "REAL" threat to the very existance of ANY nation.....unless the people of that nation allow themselves to fall victim to it's "REAL" purpose....which is to create fear.

What a fool....as part of your fantasy in opposing the removal of Saddam Hussein you claimed there was only one real threat to Israel in the region.....Iran, Mike....Now you want to take it back and recognize that Saddam Hussein was an active enemy of Israel through his support of terrorists like Hamas who just killed more innocents in Jerusalem yesterday!

How nice. I am glad you can live with the contradiction of saying Iran was the ONLY real threat and now say Hussein was also a threat....Guess what?....Saddam Hussein is no longer a threat because of George Bush and the bravery of thousands of Americans and Iraq deserves our continued support in rebuiling after decades of rule by that murderer, terrorist, thug and radical islamist.

Oh, don't like recognizing that Saddam Hussein was a part of the terrorist ideology that lead to 9/11/01? That's right, abstract thinking is only used by some when ok with their argument....even when more concrete avenues also connect Saddam to a potential threat because of his history and the world's collective opinion that he would pursue WMD......

"Iran was the only real threat to Israel" ....what a lie!

Sharon:

The comments about Bush and his blowing up frogs ere intended simply to make a point to Olby Sucks regarding his never ending attempts to smear Obama in the worst possible ways.

I am well aware of Obama's comments in support of Kerry in 2004...and I forgive hime for those because he, like myself, was fully aware that Kerry would have been by far, the lesser of two evils regarding the war at the time.

As for his voting record vs Clinton's, I think he can be forgiven for that as well, since we were ALREADY hopelessly mired in Iraq when those were recorded.

Oh Loin, you're in support for military action against Saudi Arabia?.....Does Kucinich or Nader want that too?

I said nothing about "military action, douchebag - (its funny that such an insipid, bench-warming chickenhawk christianist can concieve only of mechanized violence in response to political problems, isnt it?). Perhaps short of invading Saudi Arabia we could pursue a number of less destructive and more productive avenues, such as : freeing ourselves from the addiction to foreign oil; stopping our banks from seeking short-term bail-outs from the Saudis, and strongly censuring this medieval government in international forums.

Next pointless strawman, Phari-cee?

Cee again: "what a fool"

Do you EVER get tired of slinging insults and slogans at your ideological opponents?

WHAT CLASS!

As I've said before...YOU couldn't begin hold a candle to your hero John McCain.

See Mike....at least Loin is honest about his real disdain for intervention.....He feels Israel is the problem and their actions are deserving of the terrorist activity we have seen since 1948.....I hope you and Obamessiah come around to his real position and articulate it for the country.....

Blaming people establishing a democracy that has always seeked peaceful coexistance with their neighbors for the violence directed against then.....A prevailing opinion on the left in American.....Obamessiah should embrace such a position and we would quickly see how much support such a radical view has in our country.

But instead, Obamessiah will continue to stand behind Israel while shooting such a stand in the foot by being soft against radical islamic terrorism....Like it of not, Iraq is one of the fronts in facing down radical islamic terrorism and the forces of democracy standing against it are making great progress....less death, political progress and a country not supporting terrorists.

And sorry Mike, 35 million dollars in support of terrorist activity is a threat to a country...Israel thought so and disproves your post.

I know people on your side quake and cringe at the very thought of random terrorism, but I never have....and I never will....nor can it ever be a "REAL" threat to the very existance of ANY nation.....unless the people of that nation allow themselves to fall victim to it's "REAL" purpose....which is to create fear.

Posted by: Mike at March 7, 2008 7:56 AM

Perfectly expressed! What a pack of snivveling cowards Americans appear to have become. Bush's wars, into which we send the courageous young and economically desperate, are far more destructive and costly in blood and money than all the "terrorism" ever launched against us.

...and the really horrible thing is that such threats as do exist are brought on by our own irrational policies as expressed by Phari-cee, and the fortunes spent are realized almost entirely as profits by companies and organizations very close to our nation's decision-maing apparatus.

35 million dollars vs over 500 BILLION!

And that's 500 billion we DON'T have, BTW!

But YOU believe the war doesn't affect the economy huh?

"See Mike....at least Loin is honest about his real disdain for intervention.....He feels Israel is the problem and their actions are deserving of the terrorist activity we have seen since 1948"

No, you retarded bumblefuck; I clearly said that Israel has ITS OWN problems, that could be ameliorated through rational compromise and equitable attributon of justice and reparations. Our money and side-line wars serve only to perpetuate the hellish situation by giving the reactionary strong-man parties of Israel something to sell to their people - the promise of unending American cash and blood. If we remove that, as Geprge Washington would have done in a split second, there will be a compromise reached.

..or you could enlist as a front-line Israeli soldier diretly defending the country you seem to feel as more important than your own, you fucking traitor.

"He feels Israel is the problem and their actions are deserving of the terrorist activity we have seen since 1948"

Interesting association between the words "Israel" and "we". They are not us, and cannot be unless they choose to to beg for the subsumation of their laws and governance to our constitution. Even then, I would assume they would need to get in line behind Puerto Rico and Guam.

"beware of Forein Entanglements"

Yep, Loin's appeasement policy to the threats of radical islamists.....I appreciate his honesty!

9/11/01....the reason for it?.....America's support of Israel.

The correct course of action in response to this?.......Removal of support of Israel nd watch the flowers bloom!

Wow....that worked before!....disengaging from eastern europe as Hitler moved really avoided death and war!

Yep. The left has been right before!

"Do you EVER get tired of slinging insults and slogans at your ideological opponents?

WHAT CLASS!"
Why even get started about how prevalent that is from various sources? Another get serious moment.

To say that terrorists are not a serious threat is a different argument than to say that their only purpose if to create fear. Creating fear is a way to gain power: you think that Bush (or any person of his persuasion) uses fear to gain power for ? (I don't know what you believe). Others believe terrorists (I don't even know the politically correct word for Islamic extremists) use fear to impose Sh'aria law. Saddam used power for his own sick pleasure. His video collection of torture is pretty well known.

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"Perhaps short of invading Saudi Arabia we could pursue a number of less destructive and more productive avenues, such as : freeing ourselves from the addiction to foreign oil..."
(SLOB)

What do we do while getting rid of that addiction?

And again....seeing America's interventions in a different world than Washington's (The US is a super power), as imperialistic will lead one to Loin's POV....fine/wrong headed, but that's ok......Israel is an ally with enemies expressing their wish she no longer exist....We have correctly defended her just as we would any other ally around the world.

I see America's intervention as noble, just and restrained....including in Iraq....the anti-American left does not....McCain sees it the same way....I never claimed his style, Mike....he is a politician and a good one at that....I am not a politician and will continue to call out the errors as I see them and saying Ira was the only real threat to Israel in the region was wrong.

What do we do while getting rid of that addiction?

Posted by: Sharon at March 7, 2008 8:27 AM

Wahhh! Wahhhh! How about growing a national backbone, and trying something really courageous and promising? Spending a fraction of Bush's war-chest on well-designed alternative engery initiatives would settle the Saudis hash tutte suite.

....assuming there is an ounce of inagination and gumption left in this tmid nation.

"To say that terrorists are not a serious threat is a different argument than to say that their only purpose if to create fear. Creating fear is a way to gain power: you think that Bush (or any person of his persuasion) uses fear to gain power for ? (I don't know what you believe). "

I think there are a few missing words here, but I think I percieve your confusion. Of course the Bush administration uses fear to increase their power; and so does Hillary. Both of them were involved in various degrees in creating a war in Iraq in order to make their bids for power easier an easier job regarding the lizard-brains of Americans like you and Phari-cee.

You should read Orwell's "1984", if it is not forbidden by your prayer-monitors. The enire scam is laid out perfectly by the "O'Brien" character in the second half of the book.

1. I was not confused. The point, addressed to Mike, concerned his statement that the sole purpose of terrorists is to cause fear.

2. You did not answer the question and made the assumption that I am against alternative energy sources. My question was, what do we do in the meantime, while these sources are being explored, developed? We should be at a different point. We aren't. We have to depend on oil until we have other alternatives. How do we get that oil in the meantime? Why do we do in the interim? We are screwed. Speaking of:

3. As to the rest of your comment, screw you.

Wow....that worked before!....disengaging from eastern europe as Hitler moved really avoided death and war!

Yep. The left has been right before!

Posted by: cee at March 7, 2008 8:27 AM

The "Left"? You mean like FDR, who forced the American facsist forefathers of GWBush to divest in Nazi industry and who forced the hand of the imperial Japanese into starting the war before the Axis grip was unshakable? Fool, it was the "right" that desired a cozy, profitable relationship with Hitler; read a fucking book.

...and like a xerox copy of an ahistorical right-wing tool you willfully misinterperperet Washington's admonitions regarding "entanglements". If you read his farewell address you will see that he is clearly identifying arbitrary permanance of alliances as a danger, not international "involvement" per se. Your pet Israeli quagmire is a perfect illustration of his wisdom.

Back to 2, going with the idea that an administration comes along that is going to force the issue of alternative energy sources.

And back to point 3.

Sorry, anonymous poster, the current anti-American left cannot claim relation to FDR's foreign policy....they would be the appeasers and isolationsists wishing the boggeyman to stay away if we don't get him angry!

70 years is a long time for certain ideologues....especially socialists, to take control of a once great political party.....Even JFK would not recognize his party in relation to principles regarding democracy and freedom. The leftist elite would like us all to believe that radicals who see America as the imperialist war moneger instead of the continuing defender of freedom around the world are the relatives of such great leaders like FDR....sorry, try again.....

The left today is encapsulated in the bomber of the Times Square recruitment station, the Berkely protesters who want the Marines out of their town, Cindy Sheehan, Jane Fonda, Michael Moore and the rest who see America as the enemy.....Sorry anon....your faulty view of who the appeasers would be then are the appeasers now....ready to leave Israel defenseless against muslim terrorists.....

3. As to the rest of your comment, screw you.

Posted by: Sharon at March 7, 2008 8:51 AM

Does this include my recommendation of "1984"? - a little harsh, don't you think? The book is considered a classic.

As for your throwing up your hands Republicans-style and demanding that the world accept the disasters wrought by your leader's short-sighted policies, without accepting any of the blame, I would suggest that we might have to nuckle down as a nation and accept some responsibility. We should implement strict conservation measures, and open the strategic reserves, and spend two-billion a month in putting up wind-generators oin our plains and mountains, and photo-voltaics on everything from our highway medians to residential rooftops.

- but if you would prefer we can shrug and keep burning Saudi oil like there's no tomorrow, and watching your fetish-president kiss their kings and princes on the mouth as he pays them homage and hands over the rent check.

Why are you so vapidly helpless and unimaginative when it comes to fixing the problems your party is responsible for? (remember; one of the first things Reagan did was to demolish the very programs of this sort implemented by Carter)

"Sorry, anonymous poster, the current anti-American left cannot claim relation to FDR's foreign policy....they would be the appeasers and isolationsists wishing the boggeyman to stay away if we don't get him angry!"

That was me, Phari-cee; and sorry; but I proudly claim FDR. I claim Cindy Sheehan too. You guys can have Eric Rudolph, Tim McVeigh, and Fred Phelps.

I don't know who you are talking about, but I know my group includes McCain, Bush, Reagan, Lieberman, Ford, LBJ, JFK, Truman, FDR, Eisenhower, Lincoln and every American who knows and/or articulates that we use our power in defense of freedom and liberty, not what the modern left believes in their twisted ideology of hatred and narcissistic stupidity that we are a hegemonic power only interested in manipulation and slavery.....

That view is born out of the McGoverns of the democrat party and is flawed, evil and bankrupt.....It is a shame that such a group would claim such a classic American party but the facts are the facts and we are stcuk having to always fight an enemy from within in anti-American leftist thought.....a secular, anti-religion, anti-freedom ideology ready to change America for the worst.

....all of those on your list with the exception of Bush and Liebermann put their own lives on the line at some point regard to such uses of force. McGovern, too, flew more than the required numbered of missions over nazi Germany.

How is it that you count yourself in their company?

"Freedm and Liberty"? Please, finally, respond in some coherent way to your fetish/president's familial association with and deep financial dependence on the House of Saud, a brutal medieval theocratic hegemon? This is not in the least irrelevant to your windy claims, and is something your resolutely refuse to address.

I am not going to address the conspiracy theories of the McGovern looney left who cannot tell the difference between good and evil.....The McGovern of today is a shell of the man who was in the military and only because of the desire to please a constuency that no more respects the American military as the code pink radicals who target recruitment stations.....

Gloria Steinem recently showed the left's real view of America and the military, Loin....."killing machines" she called them basically linking people like McCain and those brave men and women standing up against totalitarianism to her fairy tale view of militarism and imperialism....The flaw in that logic is what people like McCain were fighting against was what she and the left reveres and he was clear in 2000 about that....let me reprise the left of whart McCain was fighting for as a POW.....

"Many years ago, a scared American prisoner of war in Vietnam was tied in torture robes by his tormenters and left alone in an empty room to suffer through the night. Later in the evening, a guard he had never spoken to entered the room and silently loosened the ropes to relieve his suffering. Just before morning, that same guard came back and re-tightened the ropes before his less humanitarian comrades returned.

"He never said a word to the grateful prisoner, but some months later on a Christmas morning as the prisoner stood alone in the prison courtyard, the same Good Samaritan walked up to him and stood next to him for a few moments. Then with his sandal, the guard drew a cross in the dirt. Both prisoner and guard stood wordlessly there for a minute or two venerating the cross until the guard rubbed it out and walked away.

"This is my faith, the faith that unites and never divides, the faith that bridges unbridgeable gaps in humanity. That is my religious faith and it is the faith I want my party to serve, and the faith I hold in my country. It is the faith that we are all equal and endowed by our creator with unalienable rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is the faith I would die to defend. Don't let...

"Don't let anyone fool you about me, my friends, or about this crusade that we have begun. If you want to repair the people's confidence in the government that represents us, join us. If you want to restore the people's pride in America, join us. If you want to believe in a national purpose that is greater than our individual interests, join us."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0002/28/se.01.html

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So you can try to link me with whatever boogeymen the left hates as you want, Loin....as a strong McCain supporter I am proud to have voted for him twice now in a party primary...the party that stands for America and all she represents....unlike the left's party of fear, loathing and class envy.....

And don't worry, Loin....If you want 1968 all over again you can have it this August and show America how unhinged the democrats have become!.....

http://recreate68.org/

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Yeah baby!.....Make love, not war!.....Spitting on American troops and calling the police, "pigs" is just the image for Obamessiah and/or HRC!......

Can't wait!

Do you EVER get tired of slinging insults and slogans at your ideological opponents?
WHAT CLASS!
Posted by: Mike at March 7, 2008 8:08 AM

Hi Mike!
I was just wondering about this and your blahblahblahblan platitude/insult posts from before.

Since Ol Loiny is wandering about today and is proving himself to be the KING of the kind of posts you supposedly hate (including the ever present use of the term bumblefuck); I was curious as to whether you have any words for him as well?

Have a nice day!

Oh and by the way anonymous...you and your Nobel prize winner are both wrong on the point that we could have shored up social security and or medicare/medicaid.

Those programs are the third rail of American politics and whenever anyone tries to do anything about them...and by that I mean republicans...there is nothing but crying and fearmongering and delaying and yelling and blocking by those oh so bipartisan loving dems...who by the way pitch no ideas or improvements for those items themselves...unless of course you count Albert Gore Jr's constant shouting of the word lockbox back in 2000

Oh, and PoorBaby...Social Security is supposed to be self-funding and not in need of extra funding by the federal government....why should we have to put money into a program supported by paycheck withholdings...essentially touted to us in the 1930's as a retirement program?.....

Oh yeah, that's right....Social Security is just another entitlement program paid for with federal taxes....sorry, my bad!

Hey itchy Loins...

if your nimby friends would allow us to go after merican oil, maybe we could cut back reliance on Saudi oil

oh and since all w was after was iraqi oil, how come we are not flush with it now?

I am not scared of the left, wannawipe....I am hopeful and always optimistic that normal Americans will continue to realize the bankrupt ideology of the 20%er's like yourself, Steinem, Moore, etc.....An ideology that is intolerant of views different than the narrow secularist worldview that has shown time and again it can only thrive with cohersion even to the point of the barrell of a gun.....

The US Constitution protects me from such radical outcomes and until good people allow such idiots to essentially dismantle the great system we have, I am gleeful to participate in the process....The republican party is the only major party still pro-America and will continue to work to insure our country remains the beacon of liberty it is today.

...yes, Phari-cee, I am well aware of your rote demonization of what you percieve as the "American Left"; and your perverse interpretation of the Beatitudes as an eternal call to arms against any enemy you can invent; but I still await your defense of your fetish/president's clientage to the Saudi kingdom.

If you assert that our invasion of Iraq is justified because of Saddam's reported support of Hammas, what is your disposition toward Saudi Arabia, the source of 15 of the 19 9/11 highjackers, and the openly generous provisioner of a wide array of anti-Isreali paramilitaries?

Why are you so absolutely slent in this regard? Can't you muster even one iota of bullshit to hide under, as you seem to manage so handilly in all other situations?

Is there somewhere in your little scared brain a "left" that is not anti-American? or do you just need a boogie man, Pastor?

Why don't you tell how many times you jack off a day child?

Can't you muster even one iota of bullshit to hide under, as you seem to manage so handilly in all other situations?

Can't you have a normal life and not whine like some baby when things don't go to suit you. You are one miserable individual.

Those programs are the third rail of American politics and whenever anyone tries to do anything about them...and by that I mean republicans...there is nothing but crying and fearmongering and delaying and yelling and blocking by those oh so bipartisan loving dems...who by the way pitch no ideas or improvements for those items themselves...unless of course you count Albert Gore Jr's constant shouting of the word lockbox back in 2000

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That's 100% spot on.

Librals cried when GW came up the the presecription drug plan and told how bad it would be and we now know it is a good thing.

Librals tells us the surge is not working and yet it is.

Librals are lying sacks of sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaattttttttttttttt.

What does that say for their followers?

oh and since all w was after was iraqi oil, how come we are not flush with it now?

Posted by: Scary Uncle at March 7, 2008 10:38 AM

Yes, the NIMBY position is entirely irresponsible - If your're going to burn it, you should be willing to produce it and deal with the ancillary repurcussions - which is why I advocate an "Apollo program" approach to more sensible energy sources like wind and solar. Please note the close association between the "NIMBY" phenomenon and the "Chickenhawk" position of cowardly war-mongers who would never dream of donning a uniform themselves.

You think it was not about oil? You're a pedant. Iraqi oil has been effectively off the market for six years, and prices for Saudi oil have never been higher - supply and demand; remember? Exxon reported higher profits than any company ever has in the entire history of the world last quarter. The phony invasion of Iraq worked out just fine for those in whose interests it was conducted; while the dumbass American taxpayer funds every single aspect of it.

35 million dollars vs over 500 BILLION!

And that's 500 billion we DON'T have, BTW!

But YOU believe the war doesn't affect the economy huh?

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It was costing us billions to defend the no-fly zone. Projected out of 20 years it will end up saving money by removing Sadam. The money and lives spenty are for peace in the future. I know you lefties can't think past the next payday.

Are you somehow stupid enough such as your typical Obama supporter to think money we don't spend In Iraq is somehow going to find it's way into your pocket?

Fairwell and ado, you old Spansih ladies, fairwell and ado you old ladies of Spain.

You think it was not about oil? You're a pedant. Iraqi oil has been effectively off the market for six years, and prices for Saudi oil have never been higher - supply and demand; remember? Exxon reported higher profits than any company ever has in the entire history of the world last quarter. The phony invasion of Iraq worked out just fine for those in whose interests it was conducted; while the dumbass American taxpayer funds every single aspect of it.

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Happy to do my part.

You librals whine about losing rights while our governement is trying to stop terrorism and yet you want to go after a private company. Why should Exxon post high profits? Americans are wasting fuel by the billions of gallons.

Your dumbass taxpayer remark leads me to believe you do not work. Getting some kind of disability check, John Edwards sue some doctor for you.

People like you are never happy. You'd scare a pup off with your frowny face.

Mr. Frowny face, how's it hanging. I bet it's as limp as Richard Simmons wrist at a fag parade.

Phari-cee? Phari-cee? Please explain your fetish/president's thralldom to the Saudi Royal family, who are the world's most prolific funders of Islamic terrorism; and then explain why you do not advocate a unilateral American invasion of the Arabian Peninsula.

Perhaps these websites will help you to gather your thoughts in this regard:

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/images/blbushabdullah.htm

http://www.atlargely.com/2007/11/the-kingdom-of-.html

I told you to throw the red herring back into the sea, Loin....The tactic of imposing your own opinion of consistency on an opponent is only successful if the opponent cedes the point....Sorry Loin....I'm not b iting.....

Poor ol Mike made the point that Iraq was the only threat to our ally Israel....He was wrong. I pointed that out and you get involved to try to impose the radical left's ideology regarding Israel....move along Sir Loin of Milquetoast.....

itchy loins from 1056

you are changing the original argument...you and your dem friends said THEN that we went to Iraq to get the oil for ourselves...NOW your argument is that we wanted to take Iraqi oil out of the supply chain to boost the price...you sound like the al gore apostles who keep changing the what the effects of man made global warming will be to fit what happened last week when the theory completely contradicted the crap you put out last year!

Nice to see you just can't seem to restrain yourself from cursing...ahhh liberal civility

"Are you somehow stupid enough such as your typical Obama supporter to think money we don't spend in Iraq is going to find it's way into your pocket."

Well no......especially since every dime that is 'in my pocket' belongs to me and is not borrowed money....UNLIKE the money that is being used to finance this war.....which IS borrowed money.

You see anon, many of us don't think in such self centered terms. I want my governmant to become as solvent as I am.

And while many keep taking digs at Obama's SUPPORTERS, instead of Obama himself, never forget that the core of his support comes from the most educated demographic of our society.

To refine the topic just a bit. Carlyle is in default of a number of large loans. Carlyle is expecting to receive a second set of default and acceleration notices, and is not presently planning to rehabilitate itself. Because of the impact that the default will likely have, the US will probably bail out, yet again, to my knowledge the third time US taxpayers have paid off lines benefitting the Bush's (in an organized, state welfare type of way), once to Poppy for the First City Texas fiasco, once on entire loan portfolios to Neil for Silverado and now again to several members of the clan for Carlyle. If history follows course, the Bush's will emerge fabulously wealthier, average investors will see their modest investments lost and the taxpayer will see the deficit rise again. You have to admire these guys, the ultimate scam artists. And, they do know how to open the vault at Fort Know for their own benefit.

And while many keep taking digs at Obama's SUPPORTERS, instead of Obama himself, never forget that the core of his support comes from the most educated demographic of our society.

Posted by: Mike at March 7, 2008 11:35 AM

Typical old fascist trick employed by Mike that his good buddy Olbermann uses. Anyone who doesn't vote for Mike's newest favorite strong man is not educated. Of course Mike ignores Obama's votes and faints for Obama's buzz words of "hope" and "change". Run along Mike. Go faint at another sing-along with Obama.

"Poor ole Mike made the argument that Iraq was the only threat to our ally Israel."

Examine that particular mis-statement very carefully Cee, ..... but whatever, it's just about as accurate as MOST statements you make on this blog, even when you DO remember to use the right word in the right place.

In all seriousness Cee, when right wingers like you misrepresent my own statements, opinions, and motivations the way you consistantly do mine, it speaks volumes about your objectivity, as well as your ability to think rationally.

It also speaks volumes about your ability to interpret the statements, opinions, and motivations of the candidates themselves.

I take a few weeks off and come back and what do I see? No more Bush bashing but plenty of Democratic on Democratic bashing. and the Libs no longer all love Olby either. Funny how they are quoting the same things we've been saying about him forever. What goes around comes around dear Olby.

"you are changing the original argument...you and your dem friends said THEN that we went to Iraq to get the oil for ourselves...NOW your argument is that we wanted to take Iraqi oil out of the supply chain to boost the price..."

Well, no. That is not the case. I have never had the infantile grasp of economics that each and every one of your posts exhibits, and which your last one attempts to attribute to me. I remember George F. Will making a fool of himself with your same argument back in 2004 ("if its about oil, why aren't oil prices going down?"), but I recall no one but this foolish dweeb "conservative" making such embarrassing statements.

Market manipulation has always been the name of the game. When the marketing aspects of the "war on terror" are aken into account, our current $105 barrells of oil are realy costing us about $1000; and you are happily funding all of it while Exxon and Prince Abdhullah laugh.

"Typical ole fascist trick employed by Mike that his good buddy Olbermann uses."

Fascinating blog here!

I learn all kinds of new definitions you will never see in any dumb ole dictionary.....such as THIS very interesting new definition of the word "fascism".

W is not a fiscal conservative...ask a REAL conservative and they will tell you this fact...actually... the reason the dems are in control of congress is mainly the republicans that were so upset at their own representatives that a number of them stayed home instead of putting them back in the same seat again

The lie, Mike in all seriousness, is that removing Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with the war against terrorism.....That is the left's cry (although they try to get away with "war against Al Queda")....The slip of the tongue is noted and a very useful tool to try to trick the less informed....

Saddam Hussein was deeply involved with terrorism against our allies and most of the world's intelligence had concluded a WMD program that made such behavior by a soviergn nation unacceptable...UN resolutions warned of violent consequences and those terms were finally met after over 12 years of delay.....

Saddam is gone...it was worth it and people are alive and free today because of the action....an action against an agent of terrorism....

So, Mike, you may look back and play armchair quarterback like Obamessiah but it makes you no more qualified to form a future foreign policy that protects our democratic allies in the middle east.....Obamessiah's lack of a cohesive plan to confront the radical elements in the middle east is amuzing...all he says is withdrawl in 16 months!...this is a policy?

The surge has been successful and now that many see this, not changing the policy towards Iraq is even more amuzing....a great leader could build on the ongoing success of the Iraqi people to strengthen the country instead of threatening to abandon them....but the democrats have painted themselves into a corner having to keep an ill conceived promise of immediate withdrawl without consideration of the military recommendations on the ground.

What if there is further political reconcilliation between now and January 2009...does an immediate withdrawl policy that would destroy such progress make sense?....A rational person would adjust the policy in light of a different paradigm in the country....Obamessiah's 2002 (6 years ago position!) makes that flexibility impossible....

An inflexible position John McCain will expose for what it is worth....nothing.

> I learn all kinds of new definitions you will never see in any dumb ole dictionary.....such as THIS very interesting new definition of the word "fascism".

Yes, Mike etc. You should stick with the Oralmann-approved definition of fascist: George Bush, Republicans, etc. You know, just as found in all the dictionaries.

You over-simplied, Johnny Dollar. The fact is that we have 7 years of constantly changing definitions about everything, largely success in Iraq, coupled with the assertion of Bush's tremendous moral clarity or absolutism. With the phenomenon of the former, the latter is, of course, without any meaning. We're all tired of that, as I am sure even you are.

I, of course, meant "over-simplified"

loin...

sorry, you are incorrect again...I will put my economics degree up against yours anyday...and now that you say it, i do remember all those protestors signs and chants saying no blood for oil market manipulation /sarc off

These are mean, cruel times, exemplified by a 'lock 'em up, take no prisoners' mentality that dominates the Republican-led Congress. Historically, African-Americans have turned inward and towards black nationalism whenever they have a sense, as we do now, that the mainstream has rebuffed us, and that white Americans couldn't care less about the profound problems African-Americans are facing."

---Barack Obama, 1995 (please notice this is almost at the middle of the Clinton years)

I take a few weeks off and come back and what do I see? No more Bush bashing but plenty of Democratic on Democratic bashing. and the Libs no longer all love Olby either....Posted by: Brandon at March 7, 2008 11:46 AM

Funny, what I see is Sir Loin of Beef handing Cee his a$$, as usual.

It must really piss all of you guys off that Keith's show is continuing to gain in the raitings and McBush is about to get blown out in the general by Obama....... I'd be on a blog pissing in the wind too.

Don't blame Keith though, blame Bush, he is the one that created the storm that is destroying the GOP.

11:02 anaon: "It was costing us billions to defend the no-fly zone. Projected out over 20 years it will end up saving money by removing Sadam."

Every now and then, someone posts a lie SO outlandish, and SO over the top, that it is obvious that they pulled it completely out of their you know what.

The amazing thing is that simple common sense should have debunked nonsense such as that...but I guess they have faith that some will believe anything just because somebody wrote it.

OK, lets do the math: A 1996 DOD study found that the air enforcement of the no-fly zone cost about 70 million per year.

Now lets DOUBLE that figure to $140 million just to make sure we aren't missing any hidden costs or inflation.

$140 million projected over 20 years would equal 2.8 billion. The Iraq war has now cost over 500 billion. That means it would have taken 178 YEARS of continuos enforcement of the no-fly zone to equal the CURRENT cost of the Iraq war...NOT 20.

Put another way folks ... that's 255 million per DAY that this nonsense is costing us. That means that the entire cost of maintaining the no-fly zone for 20 years is made up every 10-11 DAYS!

That's our FUTURE we're busily mortgaging to the Chinese (and others) folks!

Oh, the Hillary people are not to happy with Mr. Olbermann:

Olbermann Rips Into Clinton For Praising McCain (Huffington Post) (some comment highlights):

"Olbermann is a freak and a hack and he is setting up the democrat party for a loss. There is a reason nobody watches his pathetic show, he is a bitter man and his show shows it. He needs to cool his jets.
Hillary '08"

"Keith Obermann is desperate. His man, Obama, is losing and Keith is very frustrated. Obermann"s ratings are dropping like a rock."

"But, it is another thing altogether for Olbermann, who used to direct all his furious bloviations at Bush and Bill O'Reilly, to step WAY over the line of reasonable bias, and into the realm of slobbering mad dog attack."

""Tonight on his show, Keith Olbermann eviscerated Hillary Clinton for a good ten minutes..." This is news? Olberman has devoted half his show EVERY night to eviscerating Hillary Clinton. He's the Rush Limbaugh of the Democratic Party. Wake me up if he ever becomes relevant.. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/07/olbermann-rips-into-clint_n_90392.html

The fawning LA Times piece has picked up steam, now at Newsday:

MSNBC's outspoken Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews
BY MATEA GOLD | Los Angeles Times

"Our people are not in straitjackets," said Phil Griffin, NBC News' senior vice president in charge of MSNBC. "They speak openly; they're passionate. There's a liveliness and richness ... that you don't see on CNN or Fox. Do we leave ourselves open a little more? Yeah. But I think it's part of our success."

http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/ny-msnbc5600927mar05,0,3634451.story

obamas foreign policy advisor/pulitzer prize winner has been shit canned!

never forget that the core of his support comes from the most educated demographic of our society.

Posted by: Mike at March 7, 2008 11:35 AM

Are these the same ones that are fainting and cheering at sight of him blowing his nose! Ok, then.

Mike:

Education threatens Jeff/Royal King/Olby S***s much as fire threatened the Frankenstein monster. It makes him grunt and make other coarse sounds. You can vaguely make out "Away from the light. Away from the light."

Olby S***s

This gets funnier every time I see it! From the same poster that claims to not like Olby. Also has claimed she can't type SUCKS because it's 'crude,' yet the same poster has made some of THE most crude posts on this blog!

See, grunting is all he has.

Put some Neosporin on those knuckles. Concrete sidewalks can be murder on them, I am sure.

See, grunting is all he has.

Put some Neosporin on those knuckles. Concrete sidewalks can be murder on them, I am sure.

Posted by: at March 7, 2008 2:12 PM

More Olbermann approved fascist tactics by Anon. When Anon can't dispute what is said he simply resorts to trying to de-humanize Olby Sucks. Anon is a good Olbermann stooge.

from huff po:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/07/olbermann-rips-into-clint_n_90392.html

clbrune See Profile I'm a Fan of clbrune
I loved him when he first tried out his Edward R. Murrow "good night and good luck routine."
That was when it meant something, because of the current lawless Bush administration.
Now, he's like the drunk uncle who won't shut up and keeps eyeing your girlfriend.

Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 01:54 PM on 03/07/2008

Huffpo closed down the comments on that thread...apparently they don't want people to see too much fighting btw the two dem camps

Keith's old girlfriend is about to give Donna Brazile a beat down:

Donna Brazile, who was campaign manager for Al Gore’s 2000 presidential run and has since become an author and CNN commentator, will represent the Democratic side while Laura Ingraham, a syndicated radio talk show host who is also a best-selling author, will argue from the right.

The debate, which is billed as “Cross-Party Commentary,” will take place at a time to be determined during the event. To register for the Washington forum, visit www.ce.org/Events/event_info/default.asp?eventID=WF08

http://www.dealerscope.com/story/story.bsp?sid=92727&var=story&publication=Dealerscope&publicationDate=3/7/08&slug=DSEnews8_030708_ingrahambrazile&category=None§ion=Unknown

"The amazing thing is that simple common sense should have debunked nonsense such as that...but I guess they have faith that some will believe anything just because somebody wrote it.

OK, lets do the math: A 1996 DOD study found that the air enforcement of the no-fly zone cost about 70 million per year. "

Kudos again, Mike. It really is distressing what these clowns will make up on the spot and declare as if its gospel. I wonder where Scary Uncle got his Mickey Mouse "economics degree"?

...and we shouldn't forget that this Iraq thing is far from over: Skittles McCain says we might be there 100 years, at a rate of $300 billion a year.

more "fun" comments from Huffpost, (btw, it's always a good thing to see a "Katy Tur shout out" and "hairy knuckles" reference in the same comments thread):

"What the HELL has happened to MSNBC, they have become FOX NOISE in reverse. Keith Olbermann was fun to watch for a while, but now it is so repetitious, it quite boring. Worst person in the world, throwing his papers at the camera and his long, monotonous COMMENT segment just shows how full of himself he really thinks he is.

What is really funny is that he has been trying for how long now to degrade Bill O'Reilly to the point that he has become Bill O'Reilly. Who in the hell died and left him boss. I stopped watching MSNBC after the Chris Matthews comment about Senator Clinton.

One more thing Keith, get the hell off of Sunday Night Football, your boring there too!"

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"If Keith "johnny-one-note" Obermann is a journalist, so is everyone on FOX. I liked him before he started his election coverage stint. Now, he's just like all the other pompous lame-ass sh*t you want to turn off. Thankfully, Colbert and Stewart haven't succumbed (yet.)"

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"Hi Katy Tur!"

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"I only watch Olbermann now for laughs and to see how long I can stand it. I did watch his tirade. I used to love him when he was just a Bush basher, but now that he's in luv with Obama, I don't agree with his biased rants, but they are funny. I'll bet Hillary tivos him, just for laughs."

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"Olbermann started off neutral, but as she kept coming back he gets more and more obvious in his hatred for the Clintons. When Bill's interview upped his ratings he was so much nicer."

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"Keith, I fear that you are treading on that dangerous ground where we become what we hate. You are sounding more and more like FOX Noise. Who are you to say what a candidate must or must not say??? You are becoming full of yourself, and that's too bad, because you have been so brave and honest in the past."

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"Don't care what Keith says anymore. When he started going off on Jon Stewart about the Gaydolf Hitler thing, he revealed himself to be a humorless, hypocritcal, partisan tool."

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"Olberman's numbers are in the tank almost as badly as he is in the tank for Obama. Faux News still beats him 5-1 in his timeslot. He used to represent himself as quasi-unbiased - now he's just a schill."

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"Keith is one of the few in the media who is still firmly in control of his own cajones and who refuses to bow down to the political royalty of HRH HRC and her court's claim of entitlement."

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"I love Keith too...i've left work and church early juss to hear/watch him!"

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"i just started watching this guy and he has seriously hairy knuckles. "

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/07/olbermann-rips-into-clint_n_90392.html

obamas foreign policy advisor/pulitzer prize winner has been shit canned!

Jon Stewart about the Gaydolf Hitler thing, he revealed himself to be a humorless, hypocritcal, partisan tool."

This has been hush, hushed by the loons. TDF!!!

"There was only one presidential candidates name on the terrorists computers that were found last week and it wasn't John McCains."

^ Ron Paul?

Legislating from their dirty robes!

SIMI VALLEY - Shawn Sage long dreamed of joining the military, and watching "Full Metal Jacket" last year really sold him on becoming a Marine.

But last fall, a Los Angeles Superior Court commissioner dashed the foster teen's hopes of early enlistment for Marine sniper duty, plus a potential $10,000 signing bonus.

In denying the Royal High School student delayed entry into the Marine Corps, Children's Court Commissioner Marilyn Mackel reportedly told Sage and a recruiter that she didn't approve of the Iraq war, didn't trust recruiters and didn't support the military.

^ Ron Paul?

Posted by: at March 7, 2008 6:52 PM

Nice try.

People I have talked to have labeled Michael Savage as homophobic. No he's not. You have to listen to the man. People have said he's a racist. No he's not. In fact, he spends more time with his callers of other racial backgrounds than others. Savage, like any sane man, hates people who live out stereotypes. He respects people as individuals, not the issues they pretend to portray. Michael Savage is the last - the very last - breath of hope against political correctness. And, make no mistake, we as a nation and culture are in mortal danger. This is not pessimism. This is not doom saying. This is not paranoia. This is pure observation based on sanity. Case closed.

http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=durhama&date=080302

Posted by: olby sucks at March 4, 2008 4:22 PM

Why don't you and Dr. Savage Weiner get a room, Mr. Sucks.

All those anti-KO threads have forced the Olbermann faithful to start their own pro-KO threads -

Can I Get an AMEN for Keith Olbermann?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4936100

Some choice comments -

Blondiegrrl (140 posts)
116. He's awesome. My all-time favorite KO moment was in response to one of GW's more boneheaded comments. Sadly, I can't remember which one

Then there's the doubting DUer
Angry Mollusk (164 posts)
314. Is Keith just telling us what we want to hear? As much as I love keith's commentaries that rip apart Bush- I wonder if he might just be a bit packaged for the left, just as FOX is packaged for the right...The question is is Keith sincere when he speaks the truth.

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Keith Olbermann is just a horny sports-talk wannabe jock meathead living on Central Park South.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4939799&mesg_id=4939799

Look at the punchy old codger Phari-cee and so many other Republicans are projecting their worn-out Bush-fetishes onto; Skittles McCain:

NEW ORLEANS -- Republican Sen. John McCain, showing a flash of the temper he is known for, repeatedly cut off a reporter Friday when asked whether he had spoken to Democratic Sen. John Kerry about being his vice president in 2004.

"Everybody knows that I had a private conversation. Everybody knows that, that I had a conversation," McCain told the reporter. "And you know it, too. No. You know it, too. No. You do know. You do know."

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Afterward, on a campaign flight, Bumiller said she looked in the Times' archives and that McCain had denied talking with Kerry in a May 2004 story.

McCain interrupted, saying that everyone knew he had a private conversation, and he kept interrupting as she tried to follow up. McCain clearly was irate.

I don't know what you read or heard of, and I don't know the circumstances," McCain said. "Maybe in May of '04 I hadn't had a conversation."

Did he recall the conversation? "I don't know, but it's well-known that I had the conversation. It's absolutely well-known by everyone. So do you have a question on another issue?"

Asked again about the conversation, McCain said, "No. No. Because the issue is closed, as far as I'm concerned. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it in America."

Could he describe the conversation? "No, of course not," McCain said. "I don't describe private conversations. Why should I? Then there's no such thing as a private conversation."

great comment:

"He may be the highest rated on MSNBC, but they are 97th in cable ratings!
Even O'Reilly gets 10-20 TIMES as many viewers as Keith with the fake teeth Oldman."

Why should McCain tell us about his private conversations? Does obama tell us about his conversations with his pal farrakhan? Or his canadian pals? Or his crooked real estate agents? Hillary won't even disclose her tax records! Your desperation is front and center, as usual.

"I've already answered 8 questions and I refuse to answer questions about my shady land deals!"

obama, 2 days ago

Which is worse, slob?

there's more

"20. Actually, he lives on the Upper East Side with his young girlfriend.

And, I think, is a great, groundbreaking sports reporter, a terrific broadcaster, and a very smart man.

That said -- I support Obama, but didn't appreciate the first forty minutes or so of "Countdown" tonight. I'm wondering if KO needs a villain for his show to be what it is, to keep his ratings rising, and Bush is on his way out. Hillary, apparently, has taken Bush's place, at least for now. I don't question KO's sincerity; I'm just acknowledging his gift for TV. I would expect a Special Comment about Hillary soon.

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83. Actually, it's only been a little over a year.

She moved in with him in October 2006.

But it's true that he no longer lives on Central Park South, and he has no need to support Obama in order to impress Sweet Young Thangs at Manhattan bars into his bed.

Of course, I've also seen people here attempt to impress the meme that his girlfriend is an Obama fan, and THAT's what explains his behavior.

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154. Keith has a twenty-something year old girlfriend because......

strong, competent women of his own age scare the living daylights out of him. It's why he hates Hillary. I've seen this syndrome before with certain men.

olbermann is all over obama's thang like a fatkid on a fudgesicle on a hot summer's day.

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