From its "news show of record" disguise
MSNBC tells its lies
Bleeding green so Bill Gates
Closed the money floodgates
And the "MS" no longer applies

Awesome recap tonight. One of the best.

Janet @ 9:50 PM on the 328 thread: "Mike has compared Hagee with McCain to Wright with Obama."

"Mike" has done NO such thing!!!

"Mike" has not even weighed in on that discussion...not once!

Janet....It simply doesn't become you to keep making things up that you wish to be true.

KO reality check...

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Tonight Keith tries to contradict Hillary and find a , got you moment, by saying she supported Nafta. But he forgets to mention she supported Nafta about 15yrs ago. So no new bomb shell there.

Then he tries to call Hillary liar, by trying to prove she really doesn't want the people of Michigan to have a voice.

And he says because Michigan isn't voting then the election is over. So again, Keith is asking Hillary to drop out, he does this on a nightly basis.

Dana Milbank said because of the small number of protestors today, Iraq is a bad issue for all Democrats. Which contradicts everything Keith has been saying.

Then Keith try's to rebut Dana by saying there is little protest because "there is no draft, if there was, you can multiply the crowd by a thousands"

Does Keith follow the news at all?
Several years ago there was a world wide protest against the war that drew millions, and there wasn't a daft back then?

Keith can't debate to save his life. Anything that is not scripted throws Keith off.

In a misguided attempt to get ratings, it MSNBC has Rachel Maddow on every show.
It seems like they are "pimping her out"

Janet, mike was lumping McCain with Ann Coulter making the weak comparison to the obama/wright story. Needless to say, it was a dead end street.

Mike was doing WHAT? Coulter has been campaigning AGAINST McCain! If that's Mike's argument he is more delusional than Keith Oralmann.

"Janet, mike as lumping McCain with Ann Coulter making the weak comparison to the obama/wright story."

And NO, I wasn't doing THAT either!

Just for you Jeff, my ACTUAL argument was that John McCain could no more publicly repudiate the likes of Ann Coulter than Obama can publicly repudiate some extremists on the left.

YOU then completely ignored the context of what I was replying to and took it to mean that I was implying that McCain had the same kind of relationship with Coulter as Obama has ith Wright....which as incorrect.

And once again Janet....I have not even mentioned Hagee....not once!

Johnny, I really thought you had more class than to listen to ANYTHING that "Olby SUCKS" says.

But cheer up....you can always delete your own post.

Just as John McCain cannot repudiate white extremists like Ann Coulter.

Posted by: Mike at March 19, 2008 11:03 AM

Last I heard Ann Coulter was supporting Hillary. Last I checked Ann Coulter wasn't John McCains mentor of 20 yrs. Last I checked AC didn't marry the McCains or baptise their kids. Last I checked McCain hasn't given a lot of money to Ann Coulters church. Last I checked Ann Coulter hasn't said anything near what obamas 'reverend' has said. Should I go on?

Posted by: olby SUCKS at March 19, 2008 11:35 AM

Olby SUCKS just proved what I said at 10:48, EVEN though he continues to ignor the context, ...... and the hillarious thing about it is that he doesn't even know how stupid it makes HIM look.

Then, there was this gem:

"When did Coulter become a "white extremist?"

If you're so far to the right that you have to ask that question, then the obvious answer (s) would be lost on you.

Posted by: Mike at March 19, 2008 12:29 PM

Hey Mike, how about addressing, even momentarily, the topic of this site? How about telling us what you think of how stupid Keith Olbermann looks, having been caught in nearly a half-dozen lies within the space of 60 minutes?

Is diverting every topic away from Olby's lies the best you can do in damage control for him?

Ah liberals, they always say something is taken out of context, that old gem of a conversational divert.

Another legendary liberal tactic is to bring up something completely off subject, for instance.. George W. Bush received Pat Robertsons endorsement, and he said America brought on 9/11 or some such drivel, so it is.. by this fallacious conclusion A OK that Obama associates with, and even glorifies and defends an anti Semite racist pig whom hates Caucasoids in general.

Those crazy moonbats also enjoy a good spell checking battle, so make sure that you get those words spelled correctly, and don't forget to punctuate and capitalize because by God, if you don't it disqualifies your entire argument.

Herr Olbermann contradicted Bush statements with "reporting" from Rolling Stone.

LOL.. Is Olbermann going to start quoting MTV news next? What a joke. Quite a journalist old Keith is.

Lets break down the three segments of Olbermann show.

Attack Hillary

Attack McCain

Attack Fox News.

Boy do we need some Britney news.

mike lied about O'Reilly last night. Why would he care if olby lied? mike claimed O'Reilly went into a "tirade" and cut someone off. He got cut because of a time constraint and the dude was sitting there with his mouth hanging open, anyways. The lie was the "tirade" that didn't happen. Bill very calmly said that he had to go.

Hey Mike, how about addressing, even momentarily, the topic of this site? How about telling us what you think of how stupid Keith Olbermann looks, having been caught in nearly a half-dozen lies within the space of 60 minutes?

Is diverting every topic away from Olby's lies the best you can do in damage control for him?

Posted by: johnny dollar at March 19, 2008 10:56 PM

On Planet Mike, Olbermann is a Dog That Did Not Bark.

Johnny: "Hey Mike, how about addressing the topic of this site, even momentarily, the topic of this site."

So your suggestion is that I should just ignor someone lying about what I said on a thread you chose to close early?

Maybe I would more seriously consider that request if you would admonish serial off topic posters such as Cee with the same request....even momentarily.

"Ah liberals, they always say something is taken out of context, that old gem of a conversational divert."

And "liberals" will continue to say that "something is taken out of context"....whenever something is taken out of context.

It's called "truth".

Ya wanna change that? ..... Then stop taking things out of context!

You know whats really ironic about attacks on FOX News is that the other channels are completely slanted towards a far left viewpoint, whereas FOX entertains both sides of the story, O'Reilly went as far as to have a couple of insane "Professors" whom concurred with Mr. Wrights absurd AIDS theory.. that is, that our government injected the AIDS virus into the African American community to kill its own citizens, which.. to any sane person is nothing more than victimization theory to the extreme but still.. O'Reilly remained calm though he disagreed.. and was clearly shocked that such a supposedly learned person was in fact an obtuse racist moron whom actually conjectured that a similar attempt was made using Syphilis of all things years earlier, straight out of a badly made Spike Lee movie.

Now personally I would have burst into uncontrollable laughter having heard a so called professor make such a claim, in a sincere tone.. but O'Reilly stayed calm, lets see how well Olbermann would do interviewing the opposite of that spectrum say perhaps.. someone that subscribes to the "white" values system, aka a white supremacist (we are allowed to call white racists by what they really are, not black ones however) whom believed that.. blacks were purposely diluting his "racial purity" for instance.. Olbermann would fly off into a moronic tirade, where as O'Reilly remained cool. so yeah, call it "Faux" "Fixed" or "Fox Noise" I really don't care.. its my station of choice, you keep on watching MSNBC and CNN so you don't hear any facts that make those tender liberal ears burn my moonbat colleagues.

Factor: "Is diverting every topic away from Olby's lies the best you can do in damage control for him."

And what would YOU know about "Olby's lies"?.... After all, you've already admitted you never watch his show.

I attempted to mail a factual complaint to MSNBC and couldn't. I finally found an address and it bounced back, so here's the comment:

Dear Editors,

I thoroughly combed the MSNBC web page and cannot find a location to send correction information, not a contact for Keith Olberman.

On Wednesday, March 18, Olberman mistakenly referred to an Obama campaign appearance at a "Town Hall Meeting" in North Carolina and commented that it seemed unusual that nobody brought up his race speech or the War in Iraq.

The following clip from the Raleigh News Observer explains the reason. It was not a town hall meeting, it was an invitation only event for military in Fayetteville.

http://www.newsobserver.com/politics/story/1005512.html

"The morning event was an invitation-only gathering with military families and veterans at Fayetteville Technical Community College. Some supporters and local elected officials also were among about 150 invitees at the Tony Rand Student Center. "

Olberman has declared his full support for Obama, but abusing his position to misstate facts in order to create a false impression goes beyond the limits of acceptable broadcasting. Or, has Keith Olberman become "THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD!!!!"

How would Mike et al react to The Aryan Nation being a registered supporter on McCain's official site for over a year while we Repub/Conservatives defended him for doing it.

I do think that this revelation re The Black Panthers simply adds more weight to my growing suspicion that Obama has been less than forthcoming about his philosophy and beliefs.

You were discussing the Catholic Church's role with the Nazis earlier. There is virtually indisputable evidence that some high ranking Bishops and Cardinals were very active in helping [money, safe houses, documents etc,] Nazi war criminals relocate to South America, particularly Argentina. A very sad chapter in the Church's history.

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at March 19, 2008 9:50 PM

Grammie,

In order to believe that Obama harbored the philosophy of the New Black Panthers, I'd have to have more evidence than the fact that he attends Wright's church and that the Panthers endorsed him.

That's a serious allegation and I need serious evidence.

As to what Mike and company would do were the Aryan Nation to endorse McCain, I have no doubt. I can only keep myself from being like Mike, I can't keep Mike from being like Mike.

"O'Reilly went so far as to have a couple of insane "professors" who concured with Mr. Wrights absurd AIDS view."

So THAT is your definition of airing "both" sides of an issue?

Earth to Ignignigt, ..... the story was NEVER about the merits of Wright's ridiculous views...It was about whether Obama's association ith someone with such extreme views constitutes agreement with such views.

Of COURSE O'Reilly would want to have the nuttiest people on that he could find that he can imply represents the 'left's' viewpoints....even when it misses the point of the entire debate.

That said, the man I saw on O'Reilly last night who was promised "the last word", and then was subsequently shouted down when he tried to have that last word, .... was NOT one of those nutty "professors" that you just mentioned.

All Mike tries to do is keep everyone from focusing on all the lies and nazi propaganda that spews from Herr Olbermann's mouth. Just ignore him.

It's the insanity of the Krazy K. Keith would should be talking about.

Good. Now that Keith called for Hannity to track every poster that says anything negative on his website, I am sure Olby will want the Daily Kos and HuffPo to turn in every poster who wished death on Bush and every Rep. I am sure Herr Olbermann will have a story on this tomorrow.

this douche has to be fucking with the lefties. How in the world can they watch that and believe it.

Maybe they're all stuck in 9th grade, man, when the world meant something...and we could work for change, man.

I can see a lot of earnest kids thinking Olberboob is the seer of great things and because he is so close to tears so often, he feels things as much as their little mixed up minds do.

Who in the hell can watch this guy for more than five seconds and not conclude he is full of shit.

Well, Billy Jeff did get elected...

J$

I admit I never watch Krazy, but as an avid reader of your summaries it appears Olby now lies exclusively as it is easier to script the show without the constraints of pesky "facts."

Perhaps we are too hard on Keith? After all, he merely realized that he was unable to compete for normal viewers, so he went for his bretheren -- mentally challenged fantasists and communists. We do not expect weasels to behave as mighty lions, nor do we expect slimy eels to emerge from the muck and mire to proudly swim in the open sea. Thus we should not expect Keith to behave as a responsible newsman.

I do not expect someone of Keith's abnormal mental and genetic condition to behave rationally, just as I do not expect a virus to realize that its existence is cruel and harmful. Let us celebrate biodiversity, for without maggots, there would not be decomposition. Without viruses there would not be a weeding out of the weak and infirm. Without the lowly worm the entire ecosystem would collapse.

No, we must figure out what role Keith plays -- worm, weasel, virus, bacteria -- and celebrate nature's wonder.

Cecelia: "As to what Mike and company would do were the Aryan Nation to endorse John McCain, I have no doubt, I can only keep myself from being like Mike, I can't keep Mike from being like Mike."

Are you implying that I would jump on such an allegation? Even when I have already stated in no uncertain terms on this very blog that I will NEVER hold against McCain the views of anyone who happens to support him....or even anyone he happens to be associated with who also happens to have extreme views.

As I see my own words and beliefs constantly distorted on this blog, it makes it easier to identify with candidates that I see the same thing happening to daily.

No Cecelia, you're NOT like me at all, .... because I don't distort your positions, or imply you believe things you haven't posted that you believe.

It's hard to believe that anyone in 2008 gets his thong in a wad over the Black Panthers. Goodness, they have been neutered for a quarter of a century!

In any event, just how difficult is it for a person or any organization to register on a website? On one right wing website alone I have registered as Bess Truman, Anne Windsor, A.B. Roncalli, Victor Hugo, Margaret Mitchell, Mason Reese, the Royal Society for the Preservation of Mongeese, LeMaistre Tire & Rubber Co., the Young Fascist Alliance and Trans-Rhode Island International Airlines.

SOS/Low Road As Usual: Janet and Royal King demonizing those with whom they disagree politically, without any basis for doing so.

BNS/High Road: Cecelia taking the high road. You could knock me over with an fresh croissant! But, I like it.

And, this is Jimmy Jack the Juggling Clown wishing you all a good night and a better tomorrow.

Good. Now that Keith called for Hannity to track every poster that says anything negative on his website, I am sure Olby will want the Daily Kos and HuffPo to turn in every poster who wished death on Bush and every Rep. I am sure Herr Olbermann will have a story on this tomorrow.

Posted by: Joe at March 19, 2008 11:24 PM

there are two joes here?
I am now joeNY!!

Is that pronounced like "Joannie"?

That said, the man I saw on O'Reilly last night who was promised "the last word", and then was subsequently shouted down when he tried to have that last word, .... was NOT one of those nutty "professors" that you just mentioned.

Posted by: Mike at March 19, 2008 11:21 PM

Still no proof? Why don't you post the link to the video w/the Kansas Star writer getting shouted down, since that is what you say happened and get on with defending obama and olby?

Is that pronounced like "Joannie"?

Posted by: Jimmy Jack the Jugglin Clown at March 19, 2008 11:51 PM

ok i'm now joe-NY

"On one right wing website alone I have registered as Bess Truman, Anne Windsor, A.B. Roncalli, Victor Hugo, Margaret Mitchell, Mason Reese, the Royal Society for the Preservation of Mongeese, LeMaistre Tire & Rubber Co., the Young Fascist Alliance and Trans-Rhode Island International Airlines."

Not to mention all of your names you have used here....

I can't understand Mike at all. Why does he continue to defend Keith? Despite all the lies. Despite all the hypocrisy. Despite all the racist comments. Despite all the sexist comments. Despite all the personal attacks. Here's Mike. Like clockwork. Defending Keith.

James, mike is buried over his head in denial. Plain and simple.

"I can't understand Mike at all. Why does he continue to defend Keith?"

James, how can you recognies "lies", if you can't even get it right when you are accusing someone of 'continuing to defend' that they are NOT 'continuing to defend.'

Go one James, look at the entire thread above and tell me WHERE I have 'continued to defend Keith'?

"I don't defend olbermahn!"

posted by mike

"I was driven to defend him by you guys!"

posted by mike 2 weeks later

"Sean Hannity called Barack Obama an anti-Semite".

"Rico called Barack Obama a knucklehead too stupid to join a less wacky church".

When did I do that? Right now.

Rico made me laugh.

:P

Thanks.

I can't understand Mike at all. Why does he continue to defend Keith?

Posted by: James at March 20, 2008 12:07 AM

Go one James, look at the entire thread above and tell me WHERE I have 'continued to defend Keith'?

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 12:16 AM

James I Hate to sat it but, Mike is right. Just look! He's been trying to change the subject all night!

When you can't defend.........

But James maybe to help you understand people like Mike, and his hero Olby. And the smooth talking Marxist Barrack. Let's use a scientific approach. From Mr. David Sloan Wilson.

Yes James, the 'NOTED Darwin Scholar' David Sloan Wilson.

http://www.economist.com/science/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10717915

In short? Liberals will never be happy.

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993,000 idiots watch Olbyturd. This boy is the best MSNBC can hack up with his personal attacks that blow up in his own face, false accusations and traitorous messages.

Didn't see anything on his 10 pm rerun against Greta. Not that I give a crap aboput Greta but I guess Olby's and MSNBC's ego think they can knock her off.

Olby's peaked. Afterall, there are only so many dumbasses generated a year and he has the majority of them.

Mike writes:

"It's called "truth".

Ya wanna change that? ..... Then stop taking things out of context!"

END QUOTE

A liberal wouldn't tell the truth if you beat it out of him with a garden hose no more than you could beat racism out of Robert "Grand Knight of the KKK" Bryd with a lead pipe.

E Buzz Miller writes:

"this douche has to be fucking with the lefties. How in the world can they watch that and believe it."

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Um, look at left wing nut jobs today and their beliefs:

A huge no. of Americans believe we caused 911.

Blacks believe George Bush blew up the levees in New Orleans.

When I watched the Very Racist Reverend Wright my eyes were more fixated in teh pews watching his followers throwing their hands in the air and whooping it up. These people believe our governement created HIV to kill people of color.

Big Foot.

Loch Ness.

Aliens.

Global warming.

Left wing nut jobs hide under their beds because Gore and Reid tell them too.

Florida will be under water in 10 years.

We never sat foot on the moon.

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What the W.C. Fields quote, "There's a sucker born every minute" or "There's an Olbytard left wig nut job born every minute".

so many lies!!! i wonder where he got those ideas for worst person-it couldnt have been media matters-it might have been newshounds-since that hate fox site had those posts up about hannity comments and another post of hannity.com

"Ah liberals, they always say something is taken out of context, that old gem of a conversational divert."

And "liberals" will continue to say that "something is taken out of context"....whenever something is taken out of context.

It's called "truth".

Ya wanna change that? ..... Then stop taking things out of context!

Posted by: Mike at March 19, 2008 11:06 PM
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Hey let's tie 2 things together:
1) Mike's post and
2) this site's topic KO

So how come you don't get all riled up about KO taking things out of context... one perfect example from last night's show being the post on Hannity's website that "was up for 24 hours" about an "assasination fantasy", where he excluded the very next line "I'd hope for it not to happen".

Oh dear...Obamessiah's attempt to change the subject seems to not have worked on Pennsylvania voters.....

"Obama has always been a tough sell in largely white Northeast Philadelphia and in the city's blue-collar river wards, a collection of white ethnic enclaves where customers at the local watering hole are often born and raised in the neighborhood that supports it.

"And his speech Tuesday, although widely praised by the pundit caste and Obama supporters, has only seemed to widen the gulf with the Budweiser class here.

"More than a dozen interviews Wednesday found voters unmoved by Obama’s plea to move beyond racial divisions of the past. Despite baring himself with extraordinarily personal reflections on one of the most toxic issues of the day, a highly unusual move for a politician running for national office, the debate inside taverns and beauty shops here had barely moved beyond outrage aimed at the Rev. Jeremiah Wright and Obama’s refusal to 'disown' his longtime pastor.

"A day after the speech, local residents were left wondering whether Obama was candid in the last week when he said he hadn’t heard any of Wright’s most objectionable remarks, but then said Tuesday that he had heard 'controversial' remarks while sitting in the pews.

"'He lied to Anderson Cooper,' said Rodica Mitrea, an aesthetician and immigrant from Romania, referring to an Obama interview Friday with the CNN anchor.

"'The speech plays only among the elites,' Ceisler said. 'The average person on the street cares about the economy and the war and everyday life.'

"Glenn Peter, 54, a patron at Rauchut’s Tavern, said he heard finger pointing, not reconciliation. He took issue with Obama’s explanation that Wright’s observations of a racist America were reflecting the racial scars of his past.

"'I don’t want to hear that you are blaming us for him saying this,' said Peter, who is white and worked at an auto parts factory until it was shuttered several years ago. Cutting ties with the church 'would have been the best way to do it. That way, I could have been able to listen to him again.'

"Peter said he’s never voted for a Republican for president, but if Obama is the nominee, he will support Sen. John McCain.

[...]

"'Now I am 100 percent for Clinton and zero percent for Obama,' Mitrea said.

"As an immigrant who is now a citizen, Mitrea said she took offense to Wright’s comments that 'God Bless America' should be 'God damn America.'

"'I love America,' Mitrea said. 'I thank God I am here. I live a free life.'

"Obama should have severed all relations with Wright, Mitrea said."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9132.html

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Yep....the excuses and try to change the subject speech does leave some with questions.....After 20 years and Obamessiah said he never knew of Wright's views about AIDS conspiracies and "God damn America?" And the fact that he tries to excuse how some African-American's hate America?.....Ok.....that's nice for a candidate for POTUS.....

Too bad these hard working Dems only have HRC as an alternative in the primary.....Come November, as this topic continues to perculate under the surface, Americans who love their country for the freedom and opportunity it affords them no matter their race, creed or gender......they will have a clearer choice....

The anti-American left or the honorable and respectful former POW John McCain.

weep, faint, then weep again.....

Olbergoebbels continuing to say how "ancient" McCain is.........There's 23 years between the fascist left wing bomb thrower and McCain, and how many between Olbermann and his concubine? I believe it's 26. Only on OlbyPlanet.............Looking like McCain is going to win so, looks like four more years of the Orange Mouthbreather...Thank God for OlbyWatch, I can't take the propaganda. BTW...Comparisons to O'Reilly's show at this point are insane. Bill actually has a show................

Alter told Keith Dems make a mistake by downplaying Iran and Olbermann got pissed and interrupted Alter. Olbermann definently is very sensative when it comes to Iran.
Olbermann is a supporter of Ahmadinejad.

Another two cents........O'Reilly never mentions the Orange idiot with good reason, he's not worth the breath. However, to swing an ax into Olbergoebbels back, he should have the body language expert and a psychiatrist on in a segment to show how insane leftist "news" shows are. It would be a laugh riot to see Tonya Reiman go through all of Olby's crazy gestures and facial expressions, and a psychiatrist to say how insane this moron really is...Wonder who would get WPITW the next night...Then again the next night Allison Stewart would be on as either Olbergoebbels would either be in the bathtub or under suicide watch at Bellevue...........Come on Bill, at least think about it...........

I read that Olbermann was moving over to the Comedy Channel.

fg,
He actually moonlights at Iranian TV.

I read that Olbermann was moving over to the Comedy Channel.

Posted by: fg at March 20, 2008 10:11 AM

Isn't he already on the Comedy Channel? He has a clown on before his show and a fool on after his show.

poor baby, I got 2 words that will answer your question at 9:16. Hypocritical hack. Heavy emphasis on the former.

18 pt swing among (I) voters to McCain over obama!

18 pt swing among (I) voters to McCain over obama!

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The reason or reasons for that shift could be anything and I think it would depend on who you asked....For moderates and independents I know it has been Obamessiah's lack of candor these last 12 months and when the Wright story exploded.....he first claimed he was unaware of the controversial remarks but in his speech on Tuesday he says he was aware....

One thing resonable people do not like is simple lies that are easily seen coming out from a candidate's mouth....Obamessiah has claimed to be the new type of pol that will save us all from ourselves....it seems he is no different than the usual.....

Good. Now that Keith called for Hannity to track every poster that says anything negative on his website, I am sure Olby will want the Daily Kos and HuffPo to turn in every poster who wished death on Bush and every Rep. I am sure Herr Olbermann will have a story on this tomorrow.

Posted by: Joe at March 19, 2008 11:24 PM

That's just Olbermann doing a little convoluted spin work for Obama, by calling attention to the fact that Hannity's site has crazy posters so as to make a comparison with Obama's site and the New Black Panthers biz.

Olbermann is certainly an "equal opportunity" democratic supporter. HRC can rest assured if Obama wasn't around, he'd be doing it all for her...and WILL be doing it all for her if she ends up being the Democratic presidential candidate.

"Two days after Barack Obama gave the most important speech of his life, it remains unclear what impact the controversy over Pastor Jeremiah Wright will have on the race for the Democratic Presidential Nomination. However, early data suggests that it has already had a negative impact on Obama’s chances of winning the general election against John McCain. The good news for Obama is that his numbers have stopped falling since his speech on Tuesday. The bad news is that they haven’t bounced back.

"In the week before the media frenzy over Wright, Obama and McCain were essentially tied in the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll. Less than a week later, and two days after Obama’s speech, McCain had opened a seven-point lead over Obama. Significantly, by Thursday’s polling, McCain had pulled slightly ahead of Obama among unaffiliated voters. McCain also enjoys unified support from Republican voters while Obama only attracts 65% of Democratic votes at this time.

"Obama’s favorable ratings have also fallen below the 50% mark since the world learned of his former Pastor. This can be seen as part of a larger trend that began shortly after Obama’s victories in the Wisconsin Primaries. At that time, just before Hillary Clinton began raising questions about her competitor, Obama was viewed favorably by 56% of voters nationwide. That had slipped to 52% just before Pastor Wright’s views became big news and to 47% just before Obama’s speech. Two days after the speech, Obama’s favorables remain at 48%."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/the_impact_of_pastor_wright_and_the_speech_on_election_2008

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It seems pretty clear the way moderates and independents see the Wright issue and Obamessiah's reaction to it.....The elitist, high-brow reaction plays to a narrow group....mostly leftists who already have an anti-American point-of-view....but this is not a mainstream view....Obamessiah is going to realize quickyl that millions of hardworking, average Americans do not want a POTUS who is "nuanced" about the good intentioned and noble U.S.A.....A line of American flags behind a podium is not enough.....

I think there are enough people beating up on America....POTUS does not have to join the group.

Are you implying that I would jump on such an allegation? Even when I have already stated in no uncertain terms on this very blog that I will NEVER hold against McCain the views of anyone who happens to support him....or even anyone he happens to be associated with who also happens to have extreme views.

As I see my own words and beliefs constantly distorted on this blog, it makes it easier to identify with candidates that I see the same thing happening to daily.

No Cecelia, you're NOT like me at all, .... because I don't distort your positions, or imply you believe things you haven't posted that you believe.

Posted by: Mike at March 19, 2008 11:32 PM

Coincidentally..... Mike.... in light of what's happened with Obama's "pastor problem" as well another....shall we say....controversial endorsement, I'd say this stance of yours is conveniently new and conveniently convenient for you.

What is else is new...

No, we must figure out what role Keith plays -- worm, weasel, virus, bacteria -- and celebrate nature's wonder.

Posted by: KfK at March 19, 2008 11:29 PM

Olbermann is the sole livng transitional form between modern day humans and our early humanoid ancestors.

He's a Superbug, of course. He's a mutated germ, impervious to logic and reason. He's nature's way of highlighting the maladaptive irrational specimens among us.

Plus, he's a goddamn insect. (Excuse my French...)

Just found this site. Glad to see that there are others bothered by Keith Obamamann as much as I am lately.

Smear Merchant writes:

"18 pt swing among (I) voters to McCain over obama!"

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Hillary is pulling ahead in PA and the national polls. Obama is done.

The New Black Panther Racist Left Wing Nut Job Loons pulled their website. Must be getting a lot of hate email and on their message board.

because I don't distort your positions, or imply you believe things you haven't posted that you believe.

Posted by: Mike at March 19, 2008 11:32 PM

What does "Cecelia thinks this" and "Jeff thinks that" ad "cee thinks this" and "Janet thinks because" mean? Could you clarify?

olbys SUCKS posts:

"Could you clarify?"

END QUOTE

It's called paranoia.

It's called being a left wing nut job.

It's called "I did it because I can".

It's called "Liberal 101: You walk it like I say you shall walk it".

It's called Liberal 102: "I don't walk it like I talk it.

It's called "What's good for the goose aint good for the gander".

It's called "Pot my ass, where's the kettle, I aint black".

It's called "I was storing the $90k in cash found in my freezer wrapped in tin foil for the FBI".

It's called "George Bush blew up the levees 300 yards from my home".

It's called every thing Keith Olbermann reports on nightly and so far he has produced squat, nada, zilch.

It's called "The US of KKK created HIV to eliminate people of color".

It's called George Bush blew up the TC's on 9/11.

Another reason not to have a D in The White House....The leftist Congress would just love to do this one and at least a Republican President would veto it.....

Michigan Congressman Wants 50-Cent Tax Hike on Every Gallon of Gas

"Polls show that a majority of Americans support policies that would reduce greenhouse gases. But when it comes to paying for it, it's a different story.

"Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., wants to help cut consumption with a gas tax but some don't agree with the idea, according to a new poll by the National Center for Public Policy Research.

"The poll, scheduled to be released on Thursday, shows 48 percent don't support paying even a penny more, 28 percent would pay up to 50 cents more, 10 percent would pay more than 50 cents and 8 percent would pay more than a dollar."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,339589,00.html

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The 18% willing to pay the government over 50 cents more in taxes is the same group who

weep, faint then weep again

at Obamessiah's rallies......

"What does "Cecelia thinks this", and "Jeff thinks that", and "Janet thinks because" mean. Could you clarify?"

I don't have a clue hat they mean because I don't have a clue who you are quoting?

I wait, I get it....you're falsely attributing statements, complete with quotation marks....AGAIN!

And THAT...is a form of lying.

For the record, mike. Are you claiming you have never used "cecelia thinks" "cee thinks" or "Jeff thinks?"

I just came across an interesting article about the requirements for a group to register on Obama's campaign web site at Yellow Limes :

http://yellowlimes.blogspot.com/2008/03/obama-supporters-for-marijuana-law.html

It is well worth reading if you are interested in the topic.

Kyle Godfrey set up a group and contrasts his experience with the rhetoric from Obama's campaign.

Grammie

"The 18% willing to pay the government 50 cents more in taxes is the same group who weep, faint then weep again"

Not like YOU, who 'weeps' at the very thought of actually paying more taxes to fight a war that apparently gives you so much erotic pleasure.

Nobody has EVER explained to me the logic of justifying fighting a war we aren't paying for, yet you then cry about the cost of anything else that must be paid for....one way or the other.

It's as if you think the war is somehow financed magically....but everything else must be paid for.

"for the record Mike, Are you claiming you have never used "Cecelia thinks", "Cee thinks", of Jeff thinks".

I am "claiming" that I have never intentionally put words or thoughts in their mouths, as Janet did to me she claimed I as comparing the Hagee situation to the Wright situation.....and as they both did last night when they claimed I would attack McCain if it were discoved that the Aryan Nation were posting on his site.

And for the umteenth time, why don't you come up your OWN damn arguments...instead of acting like a troll all the time?

Kyle Godfrey set up a group and contrasts his experience with the rhetoric from Obama's campaign.

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at March 20, 2008 2:04 PM

This is an interesting website with a pertinent question. I'm following it to see where it goes.

Yeah Mike, I hope HRC or Obamessiah run on a 50 cent/gallon federal gasoline tax....even based on your flawed conclusions about the cost of war and how it is being paid for.....I hate to give you this reality check....but my federal taxes go mostly towards Social Security, Medicare, and other entitlement programs...the proper role of the federal government in defending freedom and prosperity is something I am more than happy to pay taxes for, however, these other endeavors have caused such a bloated federal government that my federal taxes are big enough and should not be raised....

and a majority of the American people agree with me.

Cecelia: "What else is new?"

Not a damn thing is "new" Cecelia, including the FACT that I have always shown the utmost respect for McCain and have never attacked him. The only problem I have is his wrongheaded stance on the war, which WILL make me vote against him, despite my general respect for the man.

So SHOW me where I have said anything different....before continuing on with your latest character assasination?

Cecelia wrote & reposted:

No, we must figure out what role Keith plays -- worm, weasel, virus, bacteria -- and celebrate nature's wonder.

Posted by: KfK at March 19, 2008 11:29 PM

Olbermann is the sole livng transitional form between modern day humans and our early humanoid ancestors.

He's a Superbug, of course. He's a mutated germ, impervious to logic and reason. He's nature's way of highlighting the maladaptive irrational specimens among us.

Plus, he's a goddamn insect. (Excuse my French...)

Cecelia & KfK,

Do you ever read the trash you write on this blog? I bet you wouldn’t say any of these things directly to their face. That’s where your cowardice comes in. You hid behind the anonymity of blogs like this one to spew your hateful and venomous nothingness.

You are a cyber bullying right wing cowardly thug and nothing more. You attack those you disagree with because you have nothing more. People like you are beyond reason and help.

messenger, how long before you put your boot in your mouth, today?

You attack those you disagree with because you have nothing more. People like you are beyond reason and help.

Posted by: the messenger at March 20, 2008 2:22 PM

This is the same thing your orange hero does EVERY SINGLE night!!!!

You hid behind the anonymity of blogs like this one to spew your hateful and venomous nothingness.

You are a cyber bullying right wing cowardly thug and nothing more. You attack those you disagree with because you have nothing more. People like you are beyond reason and help.

Posted by: the messenger at March 20, 2008 2:22 PM

Is "the" your first name or is it a nick name, Mr? Miss? Mrs? Messenger?

This is great satire making fun of liberals.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2008/03/19/fioretorturerinchief.DTL

Gosh Cee, it's interesting to see how you just labeled Social Security as an "entitlement program", when in fact, most recipients have paid into the system their entire life...and if SS collections had been managed according to it's original charter by building a trust fund, instead of financing other endeavors, it would be on incredibly sound footing today.


Sorry, but it's NOT an "entitlemant program"!

That said, are you REALLY heartless enough that you would want to see an America with elderly people living on the streets and eating out of garbage cans?

And as for your opposition to medicare, my question would be about the same.

No Cee, we will NOT regress to the dracular dickisonian America you seem to wish for while depleting our resources trying to manage and control the problems of other countries and cultures.

So SHOW me where I have said anything different....before continuing on with your latest character assasination?

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:21 PM

More to the point, how about your showing me where you ever stated that you would never criticize McCain via the views of ANYONE who happens to be supporting him, BEFORE the Rev. Wright brouhaha.

Sorry Mike.....The check (or direct depost) that those lovely seniors receive (including my lovely Mom and Dad) is taken from where?......

The United States Treasury......

Not a bank that has the annuity from the contribution my Mom, Dad and ol' Mae in Boca contributed to 45 years ago....it NEVER worked that way.....

The expediture RELYS on my FICA contribution....it is a tax and then the expenditure is given......

There is NO quarantee that my "contribution" will be given back to me or my kin.....in fact....if I die before I am eligable to receive the money....what happens?.....

The money is NOT totally given to my wife....and NONE is given to my kin....

So please Mike....you are showing your liberal chops more and more everyday.....FICA is a tax and Social Security is RUN AS AN ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM.

People expect it (feel they are entitled to it) so it grows, grows, grows, as does Medicare.....bigger, bigger, bigger...every year and what is one of the likely solutions Democrats especially like to think about changing?......Incresaing the income ceiling on how much FICA continues to be taken.....wow I can't wait to send more monery into the federal treasury.

I am "claiming" that I have never intentionally put words or thoughts in their mouths,

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:14 PM

That said, are you REALLY heartless enough that you would want to see an America with elderly people living on the streets and eating out of garbage cans?

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:32 PM

Yeah Mike, I hope HRC or Obamessiah run on a 50 cent/gallon federal gasoline tax....even based on your flawed conclusions about the cost of war and how it is being paid for.....I hate to give you this reality check....but my federal taxes go mostly towards Social Security, Medicare, and other entitlement programs...the proper role of the federal government in defending freedom and prosperity is something I am more than happy to pay taxes for, however, these other endeavors have caused such a bloated federal government that my federal taxes are big enough and should not be raised....

and a majority of the American people agree with me.

Posted by: cee at March 20, 2008 2:20 PM

"Janet....It simply doesn't become you to keep making things up that you wish to be true.

Posted by: Mike at March 19, 2008 10:03 PM "

Mike.....It simply doesn't become you to keep making charges up that you wish to be true.

Rather then considering that I thought you were the one who had made a comment linking McCain to Hagee and Parsly (?) as analagous to Obama and Wright you immediately jumped to the conclusion that I was lying based on my wishes to malign you. There are many ways you could have pointed out that I had confused you with another poster that didn't rise to the level yours did.

As for this:

"How would Mike et al react to The Aryan Nation being a registered supporter on McCain's official site for over a year while we Repub/Conservatives defended him for doing it."

I suspect that the reaction would be very vocal and accusatory. You have stated that you would never hold anyone to that standard but until the situation arises it is all speculation. by all of us.

I, and I am sure every human who ever lived, find themselves doing and/or saying things that they swore and believed they never would until the situation arises.

Somehow, Mike, I don't think you will be the first in human history to rise to that level.

Grammie

"More to the point, how about showing me where you ever stated that you would never criticize McCain via the vies of ANYONE who happens to be supporting him, BEFORE the Rev. Wright brouhaha."

I can certainly how you where I have expressed nothing but general admiration and respect for McCain "BEFORE" the Wright "brouhaha".

As for specifically making THAT particular statement BEFORE the Wright episode, all I can say is that it just didn't occur to me that such a specific statement from me would be necessary.....since it also just didn't occur to me that Obama's enemies would actually stoop to such a despicable low of attacking him for certain associations in the absense of anything they can pin on him directly.

It is clear to me the the America I envision and know is possible is far better and more humane than the one YOU seem to covet.

That said, are you REALLY heartless enough that you would want to see an America with elderly people living on the streets and eating out of garbage cans?

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:32 PM

Of course that's not what Cee said and S.S. as it exists now, and starvation, are not the sole choices in the world.

THIS is a sterling example of the particular sort of "fear mongering" that Democrats have engaged in looonnng before the 9/11 and the REAL threat of Islamic terrorism occurred.

If the govt gets control of the means of paying for health care, any sort talk of reform or change to that system with result in precisely the same sort of fear mongering rhetoric, as well.

Yep....I want my parents eating out of garbage cans.......

I do not like misrepresentation....and anyone who tries to pass off Social Security as a pension program is lying....It is a program that relies on taxation....what does it make it then?.....

You choose the terms....I could care less....But to say it is different to spend money by sending it to someone's bank account for them to use or to spend it on a rifle?....sorry.....I don't see the difference....

The money is coming out of the same pot.

Cecelia: "Of course that's not what Cee said"

Cee SAID: "but my taxes go mostly towards Social Security, Medicare, and other entitlement programs."

You want to tell me AGAIN that Cee didn't say it Cecelia?

Janet, in reading your explanation, it occurs to me that you should re-examine your stereotypes of your ideological opposition....then you might not be guilty of lumping everyone together so readily...and then you might not make the mistake of wrongly attributing beliefs and statements they don't have so often.

As for specifically making THAT particular statement BEFORE the Wright episode, all I can say is that it just didn't occur to me that such a specific statement from me would be necessary.....since it also just didn't occur to me that Obama's enemies would actually stoop to such a despicable low of attacking him for certain associations in the absense of anything they can pin on him directly.

It is clear to me the the America I envision and know is possible is far better and more humane than the one YOU seem to covet.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:50 PM

What do you mean the America I "seem to covet". I've defended Obama against the Black Panther allegation, when there is absolutely NOTHING in that for me.

You've merely said (AFTER the Wright brouhaha) that you would do the same for McCain that you wish was being done for Wright.

I've far more reason to be skeptical of you than vice versa.

Cecelia: "Of course that's not what Cee said"

Cee SAID: "but my taxes go mostly towards Social Security, Medicare, and other entitlement programs."

You want to tell me AGAIN that Cee didn't say it Cecelia?
Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:54 PM

No, problem. Cee did not say that he did not want the sort of alternatives Republicans have talked about to the Medicare and Social Security System.

Mike, your original problem with my critique of a 50 cent/gallon FEDERAL tax was in realtion to "paying for the war." My response is that the federal government spend trillions on social programs that are much more of the federal budget than defending the country and our allies....please let me know if I am factually wrong about this.

I consider defedning freedom and democracy an important part (actually a LEGAL REQUIREMENT according to the Constitution) of what my federal government does.....managing a HUGE beurocracy that includes retirement, healthcare, welfare and other social programs, etc. has actually been the main cause of the increase in federal taxes since the middle of the 20th century......

The paying for the war argument is a canard and should NEVER be used by any patriotic American to erode people's support....it is demogogic and fear mongering.

Mike:

"I am "claiming" that I have never intentionally put words or thoughts in their mouths, as Janet did to me she claimed I as comparing the Hagee situation to the Wright situation.....and as they both did last night when they claimed I would attack McCain if it were discoved that the Aryan Nation were posting on his site."

I was in the process of anwering that charge that I wilfully and deliberately lied about you and for the first time addressed my opinion that yes you would if it ever happened.

Mike, why are you "lying" about me saying "and as they both did last night when they claimed"?

I did not say a word here till this afternoon and did not address the subject with you till this afternoon.

Or, of course, I could simply point out to you that you were mistaken as in Mike, you are mistaken I only made the one comment on another thread and did not comment here till this afternoon.

See, that wasn't hard. You ought to try it sometime.

Grammie

in the absense of anything they can pin on him (obama) directly.

posted by mike

Except for the little fact that he admitted (after lying) that he sat in the pews while wright spewed his hate and did or said nothing, til now.

Janet, see the quote from you at 11:11 PM on this thread last night and tell me where she got it?

THAT is what I was responding to

This site clears things up.....

http://www.federalbudget.com/

"Social Security is not part of the Federal Budget general fund. It is a separate account and has its own source of income. Social Security payments do not go into the general fund, they go in the Social Security trust fund, and should NOT be counted as general revenue. The trust fund is supposed to be used to pay future benefits. But....keep reading....

"Currently, there is more being payed into the Social Security Trust Fund than is being paid out to beneficiaries. What's left over is routinely being "borrowed" and used as if it were general budget revenue. Government agencies using that money promise to pay it back (IOUs). All of the money in the Social Security Trust Fund has been spent! That's part of the National Debt. So Social Security is just a very large tax collection tool.

"Beware the term "Social Security Surplus"; there is no such thing. Social Security is a Ponzi Scheme, there is never more in the Trust Fund than will ever be needed."

"for the record Mike, Are you claiming you have never used "Cecelia thinks", "Cee thinks", of Jeff thinks".

I am "claiming" that I have never intentionally put words or thoughts in their mouths, as Janet did to me she claimed I as comparing the Hagee situation to the Wright situation.....and as they both did last night when they claimed I would attack McCain if it were discoved that the Aryan Nation were posting on his site.

And for the umteenth time, why don't you come up your OWN damn arguments...instead of acting like a troll all the time?

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:14 PM
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"The 18% willing to pay the government 50 cents more in taxes is the same group who weep, faint then weep again"

Not like YOU, who 'weeps' at the very thought of actually paying more taxes to fight a war that apparently gives you so much erotic pleasure.

Nobody has EVER explained to me the logic of justifying fighting a war we aren't paying for, yet you then cry about the cost of anything else that must be paid for....one way or the other.

It's as if you think the war is somehow financed magically....but everything else must be paid for.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:07 PM
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POST #1: Mike NEVER puts words or thoughts into people's mouths
POST #2: Mike says she weeps and the war gives her erotic pleasure

When health care became a business, we all lost.

Posted by: It is not a partisan issue at March 20, 2008 3:08 PM

Uh oh.... Someone is going to have to tell all those medical equipment manufacturers, institutions of higher learning, loan officers, and salaried professionals, that health care is a pro bono holy sacrament...

Evidently, they failed to get the memo...

Yes, Cecelia, I did notice you're defending Obama on the Black Panther silliness. I appreciate that....and because of your ability to see nuance that others seem to lack, I hold your opinions in higher esteem than some of your ideological cohorts.

But then when you regress and falsely accuse me of wishing to attack personally a political rival I have shown nothing but respect for simply because I didn't make a specific 'call' regarding a hypotheticakl situation was wrong of you to do.

I simply haven't earned that kind of cynicism.

"It is clear to me the the America I envision and know is possible is far better and more humane than the one YOU seem to covet.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:50 PM "

"I AM 'CLAIMING' THAT I HAVE NEVER INTENTIONALLY PUT WORDS OR THOUGHTS IN THEIR MOUTHS" Caps Mine

"That said, are you REALLY heartless enough that you would want to see an America with elderly people living on the streets and eating out of garbage cans?

And as for your opposition to medicare, my question would be about the same.

No Cee, we will NOT regress to the dracular dickisonian America you seem to wish for while depleting our resources trying to manage and control the problems of other countries and cultures.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:32 PM"

"I AM 'CLAIMING' THAT I HAVE NEVER INTENTIONALLY PUT WORDS OR THOUGHTS IN THEIR MOUTHS" Caps Mine

Yes, Cecelia, I did notice you're defending Obama on the Black Panther silliness. I appreciate that....and because of your ability to see nuance that others seem to lack, I hold your opinions in higher esteem than some of your ideological cohorts.

But then when you regress and falsely accuse me of wishing to attack personally a political rival I have shown nothing but respect for simply because I didn't make a specific 'call' regarding a hypotheticakl situation was wrong of you to do.

I simply haven't earned that kind of cynicism.

I simply haven't earned that kind of cynicism.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 3:21 PM

I don't think you're the sole judge of that.

Sorry Janet, but anyone who would even consider calling SS an ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM has rightfully earned that characterization.

Sorry Janet, but anyone who would even consider calling SS an ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM has rightfully earned that characterization.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 3:28 PM

Of course Social Security is an entitlement program in that you're likely to collect far more than you ever put in.

That fact will go without saying if you happen to be on SSI.

Sorry Janet, but anyone who would even consider calling SS an ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM has rightfully earned that characterization.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 3:28 PM

That's patently false. It is a non sequitur to equate not supporting social security in its current form to being "draconian".

You've merely jumped to a conclusion and to your favor stereotype (as well as to your favorite fear mongering rhetoric).

I simply haven't earned that kind of cynicism.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 3:21 PM

I don't think you're the sole judge of that.

Posted by: Cecelia at March 20, 2008 3:24 PM

I second the motion. Now, respond to this....

in the absense of anything they can pin on him (obama) directly.

posted by mike

Except for the little fact that he admitted (after lying) that he sat in the pews while wright spewed his hate and did or said nothing, til now.

"Janet, see the quote from you at 11:11 PM on this thread last night and tell me where she got it?

THAT is what I was responding to

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 3:13 PM "

Mike, Cecelia was quoting from a comment I made on another thread @ 9:50 PM.

I did not say another word till this afternoon. If I am mistaken please point it out.

"and as THEY BOTH DID LAST NIGHT [caps mine}when they claimed I would attack McCain if it were discoved that the Aryan Nation were posting on his site."

Mike, Cecelia quoted my asking a question about what would "Mike et al do"!

So, why did you "lie" about my saying things when I not only actually said NOTHING but what I said earlier on another thread was just a question.

May I point out again:

"I AM 'CLAIMING' THAT I HAVE NEVER INTENTIONALLY PUT WORDS OR THOUGHTS IN THEIR MOUTHS"

Come on Mike, you are the stickler for parsing every word, implication and inferrence about you so what is the problem if I do it?

Grammie

"Uh oh.... Someone is going to have to tell all those medical equipment manufacturers, institutions of higher learning, loan officers, and salaried professionals, that health care is a pro bono holy sacrament...

"Evidently, they failed to get the memo..."

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I'll just pick through the Mike's garbage to feed me and my family....it will be ok......

Placing Social Security into the accurate light it deserves, so it can be fixed, is politically damaging to leftists like Mike.....So.....the problem continues and the ONLY way the program will continue to work is how, everyone?.....

Raising more money to fund it or cutting back the benefit......

Wow, that sounds a lot like any other program run by a business or agency....

You Cecelia!

Gratis!?

I don't see anything "gratis" about the employer and employee having to contribute by LAW to S.S., unemployment insurance and other social programs.

Shut up bitch. Go kiss the Bovine and descend to his level.
Posted by: Gratis? You republican shit at March 20, 2008 3:41 PM

You most certainly did. Otherwise you'd have never made a comparison between "free" and "freedom".

Don't blame me over the fact that your comparison is inaccurate and idiotic on several levels, moron.

\"I don\'t think you\'re the sole judge of that.\"

That\'s funny because I judge you to be rather bitchy.

\"I don\'t think you\'re the sole judge of that.\"

That\'s funny because I judge you to be rather bitchy.

Posted by: Olby rules at March 20, 2008 3:46 PM

I'm not exactly issuing disclaimers there either, Einstein... :D

Wow, that sounds a lot like any other program run by a business or agency....

Posted by: cee at March 20, 2008 3:44 PM

Not only have we seen our choices reduced to Social Security and Medicare or starvation and death, we've seen them reduced to the distant corporate robot vs. the distant bureaucrat...

Any more limitations and it'll be nationalized healthcare vs. Armaggedon.

"Sorry Janet, but anyone who would even consider calling SS an ENTITLEMENT PROGRAM has rightfully earned that characterization.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 3:28 PM "

Righto, Mike. Anyone who even CONSIDERS calling SS an entitlement program deserves this and as such you are totally justified in saying:

"That said, are you REALLY heartless enough that you would want to see an America with elderly people living on the streets and eating out of garbage cans?

And as for your opposition to medicare, my question would be about the same.

No Cee, we will NOT regress to the dracular dickisonian America you seem to wish for while depleting our resources trying to manage and control the problems of other countries and cultures.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:32 PM"

So Cee and I believe and advocate "That said, are you REALLY heartless enough that you would want to see an America with elderly people living on the streets and eating out of garbage cans?

And as for your opposition to medicare, my question would be about the same.

No Cee, we will NOT regress to the dracular dickisonian America you seem to wish for while depleting our resources trying to manage and control the problems of other countries and cultures.

Posted by: Mike at March 20, 2008 2:32 PM"

So, Cee and I are "heartless enough that you would want to see an America with elderly people living on the streets and eating out of garbage cans?" because we go beyond thinking but actually saying that SS is the largest entitlement program.

So, Cee and I want to regress to " dracular dickisonian America you seem to wish for ..."

I don't think I have ever seen Dracular and Dicksonian used together to smear anyone much less for identifying SS for what it is, an entitlement program.

"I AM 'CLAIMING' THAT I HAVE NEVER INTENTIONALLY PUT WORDS OR THOUGHTS IN THEIR MOUTHS"

Mike, you need to add a caveat to your disclaimer.

"I AM 'CLAIMING' THAT I HAVE NEVER INTENTIONALLY PUT WORDS OR THOUGHTS IN THEIR MOUTHS" EXCEPT WHEN THEY DESRVE IT.

Grammie

Cecelia, I want to get back to my original comment from the last thread when we can do it without sifting through all this crap.

Have to run now. Dinner time is coming up and I have to go scrounge through the garbage. Anyone else out there I've found the upscale grocers throw out the best stuff. :)

Grammie

Don't go behind The Piggley Wiggley, Grammie....my parents called those dumpsters!

Cee, so my community is Piggly Wiggly free but thanks for the advice.

If one shows up I will ignore it.

Grammie

Have to run now. Dinner time is coming up and I have to go scrounge through the garbage. Anyone else out there I've found the upscale grocers throw out the best stuff. :)

Grammie
Posted by: Janet Hawkins at March 20, 2008 4:07 PM

Grammie, I'm always interested in anything you have to say.

Enjoy your chow with compliments of Cee. As you know, there is nothing in the entire universe that could ever make Cee destitute, alone, or old, so he's just being "draconian" and wants the worst for you.

Bon appetit!

Just found this site. Glad to see that there are others bothered by Keith Obamamann as much as I am lately.
Posted by: Vnd at March 20, 2008 12:11 PM

Welcome! Come for the recaps, stay for a big dose of reality....

Write ups for the Countdown Anniversary Special to air on NBC:

NBC To Air Olbermann Special
‘Countdown’ Airing Will Give Network Viewers A Taste Of MSNBC Fare

On the eve of the show’s fifth anniversary, NBC will broadcast a special edition of MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann March 30, officials said Thursday.

The network special is meant to will give viewers of the Peacock Network a taste of what more than 1 million MSNBC viewers have come to expect each night.

In March to date, Countdown is averaging 402,000 adults 25 to 54, an 82% increase over last year, and a 9% lead over CNN's Election Center at 8 p.m. Countdown also leads in the total viewer race over CNN, 1.1 million versus 1.07 million.

Countdown with Keith Olbermann premiered March 31, 2003 on MSNBC, and has become the top-rated program on MSNBC and one of the most watched shows in cable news. To mark its anniversary, the week of March 31 Countdown will feature some of the highlights of the last five years, including the original Special Comment addressing Donald Rumsfeld and the program's ground-breaking re-enactment of the Sen. Larry Craig “incident."

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http://www.multichannel.com/article/CA6543713.html

"When we started this five years ago, I told a reporter that our charge was to stay out of the way of the news: 'News is the news. We will not be screwing around with it,'" Olbermann said in announcing the anniversary special. "We held true to that promise -- we just screwed around with everything about its presentation and interpretation. And I'm delighted by the results and honored by the incredible loyalty of those viewers who join me each night."

Beginning March 31, Countdown will feature some of the highlights from the five years of the show, including Olbermann’s first “special comment” about then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the show’s re-enactment of the Larry Craig fiasco.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/CA6543712.html

Olbermann gets slammed for praising McCain:

It’s time for Mugger’s mid-campaign review of the bozos on the bus.
By Russ Smith

"...I can think of no sillier exhibition of an anchor/commentator filling time than MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann, on the night of the March 4 primaries, repeatedly declaring that John McCain’s triumph was “Churchillian.” Winston Churchill’s rise and fall and rise and fall in British politics is of legitimate historical import; the fact that McCain resurrected his ’08 campaign is a fascinating and unexpected twist in this presidential cycle. But comparisons to FDR’s wartime ally are a stretch. It was especially odd coming from Olbermann, whose “Countdown” program is a day in, day out rant against President Bush in particular and Republicans in general. I prefer McCain to Obama and Hillary Clinton but, conerning his electoral fortunes, a more apt analogy would be to Richard Nixon, for the comeback angle specifically..."

http://www.nypress.com/21/12/news&columns/russsmith.cfm

"hate site?"

Where is there hate on my part?

I guess if I do not support Obamessiah for president I am a member of the KKK.

I guess if I want Social Security to actually be a trust fund instead of a Ponzi scheme, I want the elderly homeless and eating day old bread behind The Piggley Wiggley (sp?).

I guess if I want to see Iraq secure from extremists who use terror as a weapon and believe such a situation deserves a commitment like the one we have in South Korea and what we finished in Japan and Germany, I am a war mongering chickenhawk.

Oh, and my favorite.....I am a professed Christian who believes scripture is true and inspired by God so I am a flat earther fundy........

These are just a few of the examples of hate I have contended with....some just today....So I wonder who really is the sourse of the hate?

These are just a few of the examples of hate I have contended with....some just today....So I wonder who really is the sourse of the hate?

Posted by: cee at March 20, 2008 4:45 PM

Anyone who expresses an opinion contrary to all the trolls who wouldn't stay away from the said "hate site" if it exposed you to more lead than a toy made in China.

Speaking of REAL hate sites, O'Reilly is doing another piece tonight on the huffy puffy. Confronting the queen bee, herself.

"Of COURSE O'Reilly would want to have the nuttiest people on that he could find that he can imply represents the 'left's' viewpoints....even when it misses the point of the entire debate."

Actually I wouldn't describe the black professor that O'Reilly had on his show the other night as insane or nutty. He came from a respected university, although I can't remember which one (Temple maybe), and was quite eloquent. Like most African American Studies professors, though, he definitely had a political agenda and was obviously a big Obama supporter.

There are several postives to the Wright episode:

Obama was given the opportunity, indeed he was called to make a speech that will be remembered along side the Gettysburg Address and the I Have A Dream speech, a speech that will long survive all of us and my help redefine racial attitudes and behaviors in the US for the rest of our lives and for posterity.

Obama will be able to withstand the assaults of the Hate Tyrants, the Limbaughs, Hannitys, O'Reillys, Wieners and Becks of our nation, and he will be better by reason of their bigotry and maliciousness.

Obama has put fear into the hearts of the (few) Republican officials who would slander and malign him in the general election.

Obama has unmasked and made a prima facie case against the (mere handful of) petty, racist, hate-filled, ignorant posters on this site, the Cees, Janets, Jeffs/Royal Kings/Olby Suckers, Ricos and Factors.

All told, this could be a great and memorable event, a transforming week.

I've been collecting these disgusting, hate-filled and ignorant comments in a folder, and on a Wednesday in early November, I'll share them with you so we can all see how we've grown - or not.

How dare you call those comments hateful! Cecelia has personally approved each and every one of them. And, as we all know, Cecelia is never wrong.

I hope MSNBC has medical help nearby for Olbermann. He's just about hyperventilating over the Obama passport breech story. Ths has even overtaken his routine Hillary-bashing opening segment. The laughing stagehand is about to call 911.

Let's not minimize the importance of a passport breach. That data must be and remain secure, and for such a blatant invasion to have occurred is frightening. I think this is a perfect analogy for the flippant attitude the current administration has for civil and Constitutional rights.

the Gay Old Party.

Thanks Jeff/Royal King/OS, et al. Your clumsy effors to malign anyone who disagrees with you don't go unnoticed

Posted by: Hate site? at March 20, 2008 7:59 PM

AAP considers anything hate speech that is not calling for the death of people he disagrees with. Any site that isn't an echo chamber for the "Good German" storm troopers of the left is a hate site. Go back to Huff n Puff post and blog with the rest of the mouth breathers about how you hope your favorite conservative straw man dies a painful death. Be careful not to skin you knuckles along the way.

Let's not minimize the importance of a passport breach. That data must be and remain secure, and for such a blatant invasion to have occurred is frightening. I think this is a perfect analogy for the flippant attitude the current administration has for civil and Constitutional rights.
Posted by: Jimmy Jack the Juggling Clown at March 20, 2008 8:43 PM

Well,it's not over four hundred FBI files of raw data on politicoes being stored at the WH, but it's a terrible breach of security, indeed.

While Keith has an Olbgasm over the passport breach, has he yet mentioned who broke the story: the Washington Times and Drudge? Or is he pretending like HE did the investigative work?

The same thing happened with Clinton's files (and his mother's) in 92. CNN just covered the story and everyone there stayed calm while KO is still fired up. Fineman says "It's breathtaking." Are these guys for real? This is how they blathered on about McCain's so-called affair with a lobbyist, the story that died the next day. Uh oh, Olbermann is worried that someone looked at his passport file. Good grief, how does he always get himself in the story?

How dare you call those comments hateful! Cecelia has personally approved each and every one of them. And, as we all know, Cecelia is never wrong.

Posted by: Jimmy Jack the Juggling Clown at March 20, 2008 8:19 PM

Well, I wish that were true, however, I was wrong about you. I thought you were merely an effete male, Jimmi, not a woman pretending to be a man.

You weren't very good at it and why in the world would you have bothered?

Jimmy Jack seems to have missed the polling post Obamessiah's speech....average, real Americans....unlike Jimmy, yawned and returned to work...his attempt to deflect the issue failed and it will be a usable issue come November IF Obamessiah is the democrat's candidate....Why?....because he contradicted himself saying he was aware of Wright's contraversial beliefs in the speech while prior to this he said he was not aware of them.....

Oh yeah, and those beliefs cannot be excused by racism...THEY ARE CRAZY! (9/11 caused by US, drugs are plot against blacks and AIDS virus is a government plot, etc, etc, etc).....Only to the 20%ers from kos do such beliefs even hold any credibility....I think Obama was well aware of these beliefs and FOR THE FIRST TIME, publically condemned such nonsense only when confronted with it....oh the issue is not resolved....

Oh and Jimmy.....Obamessiah's poll numbers in "Reagan Democrat" country...like Pa....DOWN!....The primary will be telling how damaged Obamessiah is now among average, mainstream Americans who do not like people saying, "God damn America."

BTW, as church going folk, I and my family would have been informed that our pastor of 20 years had said, "God damn America, God damn America" at a pulpit....We would have confronted the situation in disgust because such judgement and language is WAY out of the normal behavior of a minister and if the man did not apologize for taking THE LORD'S name in vain....well.....bye bye congregation if no bye bye Minister Wright....

So...let's not put this silly little speech that tries the elitist leftist's way out of a bad situation up there with great speeches like Lincoln's Gettysberg or Kennedy's Inaugural.....We will see....but I have a little inkling that Wright will haunt Obamessiah in Pa....then on into the summer and if HRC doesn't rise from the dead....527's that support McCain will be more than glad to remind average Americans that such hate speech came from Obamessiah's church without one cry of distress from him or his "now only proud" wife.

The blue blog loons are thrilled with the passport story and convinced it will shove the Rev Wright fiasco off the front page and off the political pundant shows.

Someone please give Olbermann a sedative soon - he's sliding into stuttering mode.

No, Cee, it is Thee who has not read the polls, at least not the most recent ones and not analytically. No surprise there. Such a reading would not support the top of your head spewing forth, your signature contribution to the anthology of misinformation you have edited. As usual, thank you for contributing nothing of importance and adding to the corporate ignorance in America.

Now, go bite the head off a live possum in atonement.

Would Olbermann be carrying on like this if it were Hillary's files or McCain's files being accessed?

Barak Obama trying to spin away from his racist pastor. Where was Olbermann when FBI files were found in Hitlery Clinton quarters? Why has no one bought that little gem up.

Now, go bite the head off a live possum in atonement.

Posted by: Jimmy Jack the Juggling Clown at March 20, 2008 9:13 PM

That's clownspeak for honk your big red nose, throw sawdust on the crowd, grow fangs and terrorize little kids in a Stephen King novel...

Look who Rev. Jeremiah Anti-Semite was freinds with back in 1998.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Jeremiah_Wright_was_White_House_guest.html

Bill Clinton's chickens have come home to roost.

Andrea Mitchell is on the telephone getting information and talking to Dan Abrams at the same time, while Sean Hannity is still talking about Obama's grandmother. And, now we find out the Inspector General was just informed today about a breach that first occurred in January. Republican dirty tricks or Republican ineptitude. The State Department is now confirming that the breach was contained at the departmental level, rather than passing on as required. Hey, this baby may have legs.

Even some of the DU loons are criticizing KO's "histrionics" in describing the Obama passport story when Olbermann says "This could blow up into something as big as Watergate"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5181666

"Passport application data includes such details as date and place of birth, e-mail address, mailing address, Social Security number, former names and travel plans. Mr. Obama was born in Honolulu in 1961 to a Kenyan father and American mother. He lived in Jakarta, Indonesia, from age six to 10."

Wow!! thats the type of secret info only someone with top security info to can get!!! or someone who can access wikipedia.

This could blow up into something as big as Watergate"

If Olbermann has anything to say about it, it will.

Typical nitwit diversion by the typical nitwit diverter. Passport data INCLUDES, as you note, but is not limited to the mundane information. Much more sensitive data than that, nitwit diverter. This, the cover-up if not the breach itself, has GWB and RNC written all over it.

Keith is a drama queen.

You sound a bit nervous, Factor. Do you know something you're not sharing? Did Lynn Cheney smuggle data out in her industrial strength girdle?

God save our gracious Queen.
Long live our noble Queen.
God save the Queen.
Send her victorious.
Happy and glorious.
Long to reign over us.
God save the Queen.

"This could blow up into something as big as Watergate"

Maybe he can get Shuster on to tell us how soon some one will be indicted,

Really this is a big none story but KO and the rest of MSDNC will run with it to deflect attention from the Obama's Rev.Wright story...by the way ol'Obams threw his Granny under the bus again today..by saying her racism is just her being like all White people.....yea real racial healing there Barack.

From the Washington Times:

"Two State Department employees were fired recently and a third disciplined for improperly accessing electronic personal data on Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, Bush administration officials said yesterday."

Yep, sounds like a big coverup to me. The Bush admin found the illegal use of Passpot records, took action against the perpertrators and announced it all. How dare they try to hide it?

Grammie

Anderson Cooper just said "there's been a lot of breathless reporting on this elsewhere throughout this eveing and I don't want to go down the road to speculation as a lot of others have" - good description of the hot air over on MSNBC

Obama said today that his grandmother was a typical white person....

WTF???

The Bush apologists are here again! Let's hope they're getting overtime.

"make the crapper look bad.

Can you, Buttface or BU$HWIPE, delete the memories from Hag-zilla, Cecelia, Bovine, Mike, and Phallu-Cee?

No, you can't. You run a fucking hate site.

Posted by: Buttface and Johnny think the LBURLS at March 20, 2008 4:30 PM "

Mike, I saved this just for you.

Whatever did you do to earn Patsy lumping you in with me Hag-zilla, Cecelia, Bovine,....and Phallu-Cee?

It must be a low blow for one of your own to turn on you in such a vicious manner. Having read been exposed to Patsy for so long nothing s/h/it says or does surprises me.

Grammie

Janet is the drama queen. " ... exposed to Patsy for so long ...," indeed! The boil on your butt predates the internet by several generations. Your exposure to Patsy is a mere moment in your long and dreary life. Do get a grip. And a hat pin to lance that boil.

Keith showed Obama eating chicken wing.

If Oreilly showed the same footage, he would be branded a racist.

I'd rather see footage of BOR eating a falafel.

Mike, it appears that The Clown has no sympathy for you at all for being stomped on by Patsy. Instead of coming to your aid and defense against Patsy he seems to be content nattering about mystical boils on my rear end.

I would have thought your own would have treated better than what we've seen today.

How sad.

Grammie

I think you meant epic, not mystical.

Epic or mystical you prefer to natter nonsense about my rear end rather than defend Mike who has much in common with you politically.

Grammie

the Gay Old Party.

Thanks Jeff/Royal King/OS, et al. Your clumsy effors to malign anyone who disagrees with you don't go unnoticed

Posted by: Jimmy Jack the Juggling Clown at March 20, 2008 8:49 PM

Wrong again, philby. The poster that made that comment is one of yours. Be proud!

Jimmy Jack the Juggling Clown. Oh, what a typical white!

Whoops! That would mean that he's a mean spirited republican who goes out of his way to suggest ugly things about people that aren't true:

"The boil on your butt predates the internet by several generations. Your exposure to Patsy is a mere moment in your long and dreary life. Do get a grip. And a hat pin to lance that boil."

No that would make him a typical liberal.

No wait! How can I phrase this without offending any white liberals, but at the same time not offend any blacks, so that my speech will be right up there with the Gettysburg Address? Hmmm?

I know, I'll use a white conservative relative of mine that sacrificied her whole life for me as an example of how a typical white fears some blacks, and then use the example of what she saw at my church being said by my surrogate uncle to how all whites are evil was just his opinion, although shared by most of the blacks in this nation, while also explaining that she is irrational to fear some blacks after I explained to her that these hate filled rants of my black surrogate uncle are also typical of the general black population, and therefore I could no more repudiate my surrogate black uncle then to repudaite the black race.

Yeah, that's it: I'll just throw her under the bus, and then my black racist uncle will still love me. The blacks will still love me, AND then the typical white liberals will still love me, and compare my speech to the Gettysburg Address!

Man, that wasn't too difficult.

Barak Hussein Obama

Cecelia, for starters let me copy my comment from earlier.

Cecelia, I find that the Black Panthers being registered supporters on an official Obama site does have some significance. It is not proof of Obama having any affirmative ideas or policies patterned on their philosophy but IMO it does indicate at least a tolerance that indicates some approval at worse or at least a serious lack of judgment.

Mike has compared Hagee with McCain to Wright with Obama.

How would Mike et al react to The Aryan Nation being a registered supporter on McCain's official site for over a year while we Repub/Conservatives defended him for doing it.

I do think that this revelation re The Black Panthers simply adds more weight to my growing suspicion that Obama has been less than forthcoming about his philosophy and beliefs......."

To put it in context you and OS had opposite opinions of the impotance or significance of The Black Panthers being on Obama's campaign web site.

I was trying to split the difference by saying it has "some significance" b/c that is where I came down on its significance or lack there of.

I worded it poorly but I meant that as a stand alone piece of info about Obama it has very little significane but as another piece of info about Obama it does have some weight. That weight is not over whelming but combined with the revelations about Wright and in light of his wife's statements it does take on some significance for me.

This is after the fact from my comment but I do think that the additional info coming out and his own statements have reinforced my newly formed opinion about Obama. In fact I would go so far as to say that I had been had by Obama. Had not in the sense that I supported him and would vote for him but in the sense that my original impression of him was way off the mark.

Grammie

Wolfie, I find it astounding that some AH who self identifies as "THE CLOWN" would actually wax poetic about his fantasy that I have a boil of many generations on my rear end.

What a putz!

No, that is too mild to descibe The Clown.

What a creepy, puky putz!

I do think that that does descibe him better.

Grammie

PS If you lose this for "your folder" just let me know. I have a copy and will be glad to forward it to you.

Cee, I would hate to think that you might miss this:

"Obama Speech Causes Mass Weeping Epidemic in Leftwing Blogosphere"

Just one exceprt from it:

"The leftists profess to be so awestruck by that speech that it seems mass crying will soon replace the fainting attacks at future Obama appearances. "

You can find it at:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/p-j-gladnick/2008/03/20/obama-speech-causes-mass-weeping-epidemic-leftwing-blogosphere

Grammie

Grammie,

It's even worse than that. Andrew Sullivan wants to have Obama's baby.

Rico, that's not fair.

You just can't talk about such a juicy subject without giving a link.

Inquiring minds want to know!

Grammie

Grammie,

No link. I don't want to gross anybody out. Or have I, already?

Not to worry, Rico.

We all have endured and survived Patsy, Flucker and Bobo.

Nothing you have or could say even approaches that on the "GROSS OUT" scale.

Grammie

CB, I went to your link and I pulled out four consecutive comments:

64. Is histrionics the word of the day?

72. When discussing Keith Olbermann it is.


24. I wonder what your reaction would be if it were Hill's file breached?
this shouldn't be a political issue dividing us on DU but I see some HRC supporters can't get over their dislike of Obama to understand how serious this is.


53. It is a big issue -- my post is not meant to dismiss that.
My post is about Keith Olbermann's dramatic flair and personal glee at any story that could possibly help "the chosen one".

Gee, even when they agree on the broader major points they can't help but go at each other hammer and tong over the messenger and his nuances.

Grammie

You have far bigger worries than the Black Panthers, Janet, believe me. It takes some wacked out old honkie to worry about that organization. Everyone knew well before the election that you would not vote for an African-American man or woman. You surprise no one. So just boogie on down to some other issue, like McCain's wondrous grasp of foreign affairs as illustrated on his recent Middle Eastern Tour, John and the Bookends I believe it was called. Therein is a far more serious concern for you and for your children and granchildren, not some mythical African-American uprising against the last Belle of Boogaloo Bayou.

Oh yeah, Grammie...thanks for the link....it is true...I was listening to Imus Weds and he was interviewing an African-American studies professor who basically proclaimed Obama....what?.....Obamessiah....Imus was cordial but lets just say nothing about that hyperbole was mentioned afterward.

This is the big problem with the leftist elite. Ignoring the basic facts like Obamessiah's lack of candor since the start of his national campaign regarding his deeply rooted associations with people and organizations that proclaim black liberation theology...he then tries to say he was not ware of Wright's words then in the speech that is being lauded contradicts himself by saying he was aware and knows why Wright says such things?......

Ok....like I keep saying...he wants to have it both ways and is typical of politicians...he is no different than HRC in regard to his reaction to this crisis and that simple fact will allow this crisis to continue....

And explains the deep erosion of his support in democrat primary polling (sorry Jimmy, but the latest polls shows this) and even an effect on the national general election polls against McCain.....

Obama is now two things.....

No different than the other candidates...he has lost his "glow," he is no longer "Obamessiah," (although I will continue to call him this because of the left's silliness...weep, faint then weep again!)

And he is also now running on his race...he can no longer claim he has "transcended race," or is a part of "postracial politics." He is closely aligned with the radical, extremist agenda of the black liberation movement and all of his kind explaination of it or his grandmother's "typical white" behavior only cements him DEEPER in that paradigm.

Totally repudiating the ideology of black liberation and white racism and presenting an alternative to such wrong thinkin would have been the risky and difficult thing to do....why?....because it would have risked what weak pol's never risk.....a constiuency.....and that tells me Obamessiah is NOT prepared to be POTUS.....

McCain has risked constituents.....immigration reform.....gang of 14......supporting ESCR (he almost lost me there)......Campaign finance reform.....The War.....Please show me when Obamessiah has risked a democrat constuency and then I will say he is near to McCain as far as being ready to be POTUS.....

Courage. Obamessiah does not have it. His speech was a silly indulgence placating only one group....leftist elites who think they are better than the rest of America....He had them wrapped around his little finger already.

The 0841 post was mine, Janet. Sorry for the name omission.

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No Senator Obama is the candidate of the Elitists? Cee, you're the biggest fraud since Fizzies. You blew bile for months about how the Clintons were the elitists. Why the change? Rheotrical convenience? Well, don't worry. I don't think anybody reads your vast mounds of crap anyway.

On the way back from Stations this morning, I was wondering what your cult was planning for today. A mass crucifiction of frogs? The garlic and herb dance? A bit of snake handling?

"You blew bile for months about how the Clintons were the elitists."

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Sorry Jimmy.....you are incorrect....At the beginning of the democrat primary comedy tour, I stated HRC was the establishment's candidate and she, along with her husband (the adulterous sodomite proclaimed as the first African-American President) and the power establishment (or ruling class) were trying to stop Obamessiah's rise through race baiting and other horrible tactics....it was enjoyable to see leftists use such tactics while they decry storied republican tactics....

But Obama was always the darling of the radical leftist elite along with Edwards and Kucinich in much less numbers simply because of his very leftist ideology.....The ruling class lost out for many reasons....not the least of which was their typical stupidity that also is the reason why they have not been able to change one thing in Bush's policies in Iraq....The Democrat Party elite are poor leaders and cannot govern....see the Congress and see the current craziness going on in the primary....

No, Jimmy....the 20%ers of the radical left always had a marriage of convienince with HRC....and would have (and might still have to) support her in the general....Oh but with the rise of Obamessiah, the radical left has a chance to really have one of their own be President and is why we heard the speech we heard on Tuesday....It was lefitst placation...tired old ideas about why racism even exists and the same tired and tried solutions to rid the human race of racism....government programs....

Sorry....those Great Society programs resulted in worsening conditions for the very people it was meant to helf and only achieved one positive...power for leftists.....that was the intention anyway.....

So, Obamessiah is stuck in 1965 along with the rest of the left AND is a political coward....not a good resume for POTUS.

Well, at least Cee is consistent. His constant changing positions are always defended by lies about his previous positions, and he always denigrates any policy or program designed to help those who need help in our nation despite the success (or relative lack thereof) and the good and decent intentions which underlie the policies and programs. We can bail investment banks out, bail the Bush's out, bail Boeing and Chrysler out, bail out any large business or any powerful individual or family out, but let a modicum of assistance go forth to ordinary Americans, and it's the triumph of socialism in America. Among my many prayers during these Holy Days and Easter, I will offer a prayer of intercession for you and a prayer of thanksgiving that our nation is "blessed" by so few people like you (and Janet, Jeff/Royal King/OS, Factor, Rico, et al). The good and decent people who make up the vast majority of the population of our nation stand mightily before your pettiness and hatred.

"The good and decent people who make up the vast majority of the population of our nation stand mightily before your pettiness and hatred."

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Sorry Jimmy know-nothing....the majority stand with me in wanting to provide for themselves and their friends and families in communities not ruled by socialist elites how know better......

And the programs of The Great Society have robbed generations of fathers who should be the bread winners....not the federal government.....The programs of The Great Society have diminished human dignity to a monthly check or food stamp instead of the pride and worth it should be in love and devotion in providing for oneself and one's family from the power of duty and unconditional love.

Sorry Jimmy...you need to pray for yourself in your arrogance and hatred on human beings in diminishing them into "contituencies" that need to be placated and bought off instead of respected, encouraged and loved as Christ asked we love one another.

The irony!

Cee, New Jersey's greatest apologist for the failed Administration, brings up one of the failed Administrations greatest failures: Osama Bin Laden. I suppose when one spews so much crap, he can't identify the toxins he has retained and those he has expelled. However, on this day always so heavy, I thank you, O great fraud for this belly laugh at you. Could I suggest you gather all your friends at this site together and go on a cruise, like Kristol and Barnes do? I suggest you call the cruise "The Ship of Fools." I don't think the trademark extends to that usage.

Oh man...this sight is awesome. It's ten people hating on "Olby" (the cute homo-erotic reference to Olbermann). Most here probably never watch the show. However, "Joe at March 19, 2008 10:19" has some valid points, and Olbermann doesn't and can't debate.

I was just But you have to admit that this is a hate site.

BTW: The site format sucks. You need post #'s. But at least its an open forum. ;)
Later beeyotches.

The irony is Jimmy know-nothing (cue OLD SPICE jingle), that you respond to wannawipe's lost argument while ignoring your own defeat....you guys just cannot concentrate!

Allow me to now change the subject....

"Obama's campaign spent at a rate of nearly $1.5 million a day in February, a crucial month that began with the Feb. 5 Super Tuesday and ended with both candidates marching to a showdown March 4 in Texas and Ohio. Clinton, riding her best fundraising period yet, spent about $1 million a day on average."

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080321/campaign_finances.html?.v=1

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A MILLION DOLLARS A DAY to get Obamessiah elected...Oh how the democrat's priorities have been skewed....

How many mouths would that 1 Million dollars feed so that children do not go to bed hungry? How many college tuitions would that pay for? How many people would have health insurance with that money? How many racist white grandmothers would that help from poking through dumpsters behind the Piggley Wiggley?.....

Oh the irony of how we spend money now-a-days?...

Pot meet kettle.....

You just can't shake the fact that OBL's goal for Iraq is EXACTLY what Obamessiah and HRC have in mind for Iraq, wannawipe.....Imprudent removal of American support for a country we liberated is the democrat's plan.....it is politically expedient but morally vapid...but I expect nothing else from the two candidates the left has decided to fight over....the talent pool is shallow.

Posted by: Sharon at March 21, 2008 11:00 AM

I don't think the left actually heard Obama's speech. The were too busy weeping and fainting.

Looks like cee has readily handed philby and dark power their asses more than once, today. Notice how they immediately change the subject, afterwards? Good job, cee.

"She is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, well there's a reaction that's in our experiences that won't go away and can sometimes come out in the wrong way. And that's just the nature of race in our society. We have to break through it."

Senator Obama

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The candidate that transcends race seems to have a difficult time with generalizations like "typical." Perhaps I missed more of Obamessiah's "nuance," being a retarded Chrisitan Taliban, but I think this well educated democrat stepped in it again and there will be yet another visceral reaction in the average good American (typical perhaps) who does not like such elitist judgements.

I will have to visit some of the bars in North Philly this weekend to see what the typical democrat thinks about being called "typical."

Weep, faint then weep again....Obamessiah will rid us of those racist bogeymen in pill-box hats! Thank you! Thank you!

Robert & company, it seems Katy's job made NY Post's page six:

March 21, 2008 -- IF you can stomach dating MSNBC blowhard Keith Olbermann , the role does have its perks. We hear Olbermann's live-in girlfriend, Katy Tur, 24, just landed a news-anchor job on CW11, allegedly with his help. Many are whispering about her qualifications, considering she once professed she didn't go to journalism school and she's simply been referred to as a "freelance cable producer" in New York and LA. We tried to reach Tur for comment but reps at CW didn't return calls."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/03212008/gossip/pagesix/helping_hand_102859.htm

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AND, Huffington Post picked it up:

Photos of Katy are notoriously difficult to find on the internet, but you can view her online video portfolio at Current.com, which hosts tapes of Tur mostly reporting from various New York locations (sometimes even on camera).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-keith-olbermanns-gi_n_92715.html

Perhaps someone should post a link to OW's cache of lovely Katy Tur photos.....

You'll find that link in the KO Mini-Blog. I wish Mr Cox would move the Mini-Blog up in the left column. Right now it's buried down there!

Whoa.....a Clinton connection to the Passport breach....could HRC be behind this latest assault on Obamessiah's crusade?.....

"After the news broke Thursday that two employees of the State Department had been fired and a third disciplined for accessing passport records of Sen. Barack Obama, MSNBC noted a Clinton connection to the story. The network reported that Maura Harty, the State Department official in charge of the Bureau Of Consular Affairs during the first two breaches of Obama's passport, had served as an ambassador under Bill Clinton.

"'Harty was a consular affairs chief until the end of last month when she retired from foreign service work. Before her stint as the assistant secretary of state of consular affairs, Hardy was an ambassador to Paraguay under President Bill Clinton,' MSNBC reported.

"Harty served as Clinton's ambassador to Paraguay from 1997-1999. Harty began serving as U.S. Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs in November 2002."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/maura-harty-state-depart_n_92693.html

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The plot thickens.....Democrats eating their own....what a nice bonus this campaign season.

You'll find that link in the KO Mini-Blog. I wish Mr Cox would move the Mini-Blog up in the left column. Right now it's buried down there!
Posted by: johnny dollar at March 21, 2008 11:50 AM

Dang! Sorry J$! I agree, move that mini-blog to the top!

Props to Ambassador Lawrence Eagleburger ( Clinton Administration)! He was interviewed by Dan Abrams in regards to the 'passport' news and started off with
" Enough with the hysterical reporting!" Having been subjected to Keith, Schuster and Abrams, he had to point out to them that they were UNHINGED!!

The latest news is all 3 of the current pres candidates, obama, hillarry's and McCains files were accessed.

McCain’s file was breached too, so I guess KO can put is conspiracy theories back into his "Watergate" folder for another day.

No one loves a conspiracy theory more than KO Did he really implicate a woman who is no longer in her job? According to some at DU he did. Even the blue message boards caught on to the fact that Keith was unhinged. If this turns out to be totally false will he apologize or just do a special comment spitting about himself.

"Shame on you Keith Olbermann"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5184459

DU is all bent out of shape over OW

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3041411

Obermann Watch: Why is this Right Wing crap site staining the front page of DU?

Seems Miss Tur is technically not an employee of CW11, she's just a "freelancer" although, according to CW11 spokesperson, she got the job on her "own merit"----(funny she should have only one merit)...hmmmm:

Katy Tur Not Quite at Anchor Level Yet
by Felix Gillette | March 21, 2008

Getty ImagesThis morning, Page Six reported that Keith Olbermann's 24-year-old girlfriend Katy Tur had just landed a news-anchor job on CW11, despite minimal journalism qualifications. How did Ms. Tur—the daughter of legendary Los Angeles helicopter reporter Bob Tur—land such a lofty job at such a tender age? The Post reported that Ms. Tur had gotten the position "allegedly with [Mr. Olbermann's] help."

But as it turns out, Ms. Tur hasn't landed a news anchor job at all.

The Media Mob caught up with a CW11 spokesperson Jessica Bellucci this morning. According to Ms. Bellucci, Ms. Tur joined the station several weeks ago as a "freelance reporter," working on general assignment.

"She got the job on her own merit," said Ms. Bellucci.

http://www.observer.com/2008/katy-tur-not-quite-anchor-level-yet

(The picture they use of Olbermann is a clear indication that the NY Observer is not too fond of him, whoa).

You guys might see some more traffic, two commenters at the Huffing Post posted a link to the Katy Tur drunk photos here....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/meet-keith-olbermanns-gi_n_92715.html

"Barack Obama will be a historic and a great president, who can bring us the change we so desperately need by bringing us together as a nation"

Gov. Bill Richardson

"She is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, well there's a reaction that's in our experiences that won't go away and can sometimes come out in the wrong way."

Obamessiah

cee, I think that talking point has been chastised by Chris Wallace & Brian Kilmeade:

Wallace to F&F Hosts: "Two Hours of Obama Bashing Is Enough"

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/fnc/wallace_to_ff_hosts_two_hours_of_obama_bashing_is_enough_80447.asp#more

And the HuffPost:

Mayhem At Fox News: Anchor Walks Off Set, Wallace Rails Network For "Obama-Bashing"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/03/21/mayhem-at-fox-news-ancho_n_92743.html

I know nycu....the use of the word "typical" makes some cringe when it is before other nouns....but the words stand for themselves and it is a nice contrast to the idea that Obamessiah is a transcendant candidate....

I do not think "typical white person" is an effective way to start bringing people together....

You know the word, "patronizing." Most adults move on when a pol acts this way.

THIS IS A HATE SITE FOR ONLY KKK MEMBERS. ALL NON MEMBERS PLEASE DO NOT POST

IJAY, are you a grand wizard or higher?.....I only follow orders from superiors.....

Please describe the secret hand shake.

I only follow orders from superiors.....

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For Cee, that would basically be anyone.

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On reflection, a site of this nature would have difficulty not degenerating into a voice for hate. It is, by its very concept, a negative voice, alebeit to achieve a positive and admirable goal. I actually think Cox and Dollar ought to be commended for their usually successful efforts to keep the mission positive. They do work hard at it. And, some of the posters ought to be commended for their efforts in that regard. Cecelia and Mike, with such opposing views, keep things positive and often chastize those who don't.

We often hear how Kos and the Huffington Post are hate sites because of the content and tone of some of the posts. If that is our standard, then OW is a hate site as well. Cee, Factor, Jeff/Royal King/OW, Phony Soldier seldom post anything but hate-filled diatribes.

The test ought to be: Do hate posts, such as those referenced on Kos and HP and those of Cee, Factor, Jeff/Royal King/OW, Phony Soldier on OW define the site? The answer is no. None of the sites are hate sites.

Hate-filled people like Cee, Factor, Jeff/Royal King/OW, Phony Soldier see hate all about them. They are our least common denominator, however, and we can't let them define anything, least of all this site.

I am sorry, Jimmy know-nothing (cue OLD SPICE jingle), but I am just being typical.....

And this is my post today, the 1,787th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"I'd tell you that the Democrats are talking a good game, but they're not even doing that. Everybody in Congress has to understand something: If they continue to fund this war, it's not just the President who owns it. They own it, too." Sgt. Liam Madden

"There were a few tense moments, however, including an encounter involving Joshua Sparling, 25, who was on crutches and who said he was a corporal with the 82nd Airborne Division and lost his right leg below the knee in Ramadi, Iraq. Mr. Sparling spoke at a smaller rally held earlier in the day at the United States Navy Memorial, and voiced his support for the administration's policies in Iraq. Later, as antiwar protesters passed where he and his group were standing, words were exchanged and one of the antiwar protestors spit at the ground near Mr. Sparling; he spit back." NYT 1/28/07

"I think the Vietnamese are better off in Vietnam," George McGovern - NEWSWEEK

"Lefties: Leave these pathetic drowning rats alone to stew in each other's juices. Get yourselves out in the street and fight this criminal administration in ways that really mean something, and that are noted by more than a handful of keyboard heroes!" Sir Loin of Beef

"American liberals need to face these truths: The demand for self-government was and remains strong in Iraq despite all our mistakes and the violent efforts of al Qaeda, Sunni insurgents and Shiite militias to disrupt it." DEMOCRAT Bob Kerrey

"If we end up saying that because these people are committing these acts of terrorism in Iraq or Afghanistan, that we shouldn't have done the removal of Saddam or the removal of the Taliban, then we are making a fundamental mistake about our own future, about security, about the values we should be defending in the world." TONY BLAIR

"You can't bring the troops home if you give George Bush $100 billion to wage this war. You're not supporting them. You're keeping them in harm's way." CINDY SHEEHAN

"People of America: the world is following your news in regards to your invasion of Iraq, for people have recently come to know that, after several years of tragedies of this war, the vast majority of you want it stopped. Thus, you elected the Democratic Party for this purpose, but the Democrats haven't made a move worth mentioning. On the contrary, they continue to agree to the spending of tens of billions to continue the killing and war there." OSAMA BIN LADEN

"Al Qaeda really hurt us, but not as much as Rupert Murdoch has hurt us, particularly in the case of Fox News. Fox News is worse than Al Qaeda--worse for our society. It's as dangerous as the Ku Klux Klan ever was."
KEITH OLBERMANN

"Thinking such as your's is a cancer on our nation that needs to be cut out." MIKE posted 10/4/07 7:02PM

Thanks, philby!

Oh dear....hate speech?....try this on for size.....

"Like every candidate, Obama must appeal to millions of voters who believe that without religion, most of us would spend our days raping and killing our neighbors and stealing their pornography. Examples of well-behaved and comparatively atheistic societies like Sweden, Finland, Norway, and Denmark--which surpass us in terrestrial virtues like education, health, public generosity, per capita aid to the developing world, and low rates of violent crime and infant mortality--are of no interest to our electorate whatsoever. It is, of course, good to know that people like Reverend Wright occasionally do help the poor, feed the hungry, and care for the sick. But wouldn't it be better to do these things for reasons that are not manifestly delusional? Can we care for one another without believing that Jesus Christ rose from the dead and is now listening to our thoughts?

"Yes we can.

"Happily, Obama did a fine job of distancing himself from Reverend Wright's divisive views on racism in America, along with his fatuous 'chickens come home to roost' assessment of our war against Islamic terrorism. But he did not (and should not) acknowledge that the worst parts of Reverend Wright's sermons, as with most sermons, are his appeals to the empty hopes and baseless fears of his parishioners--people who could surely find better ways of advancing their interests in this world, if only they could banish the fiction of a world to come.

"Obama did not say that religion's effect on our society, and on the black community especially, has been destructive--and where it has seemed constructive it has generally taken the place of better things. Religion unites, motivates, and consoles beleaguered people not with knowledge, but with superstition and false promises. Surely there is a better way to bring people together in the 21st century. The truth is, despite the toothsomeness of his campaign slogan, we are not yet the people we have been waiting for. And if we don't start talking sense to our children, they won't be the ones we are waiting for either.

"Obama was surely wise not to mention that Christianity was, without question, the great enabler of slavery in this country."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/what-barack-obama-could-n_b_92771.html

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Yep....the elitist left backing a man that says he bleieves in the bodily resurrection of Christ celebrated by billions this coming Sunday.......

Holding their noses. Oh the hate!

Jimmy know-nothing.....a comment por favor?

Oh, so to the fanatic secularist leftist hate monger Sam Harris racism is the result of Christianity...a superstition better left in the last century.....

So who is the TYPICAL person to believe....Obamessiah or Harris?

I look forward to hearing questions of Obamessiah regarding Harris' conclusions regarding the effect of the so-called fairy tales....

Cee gives us two endless, tiresome posts to uncover --- nothing.

From the beginning of European settlement in the Americas through the Civil War, one thing could have ended slavery. Opposition by Christians. Instead, most Christian sects actively supported slavery.

There you go, Cee, simple, concise, factual.

Go bore someone else with your tawdry innuendo and your misinformation, please.

"From the beginning of European settlement in the Americas through the Civil War, one thing could have ended slavery. Opposition by Christians. Instead, most Christian sects actively supported slavery."

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Incorrect and incomplete analysis of the history.....A nice campaign slogan and hate speech akin to Hitler's use of history, but it lacks.....mmmm....what is it?....nuance!

I will challenge you, dear Jimmy know-nothing....name for me ONE secular humanist (oh...and this person would then be an ATHEIST) who spoke against slavery and actively pursued its abolishment....just ONE.....

The abolition movement was EXCLUSIVELY a Christian endeavor, Jimmy (cue OLD SPICE jingle)....I recommend the movie AMAZING GRACE...learn a little about William Wilberforce and find out that...oh my....he was an evangelical!

I know he was a TYPICAL white man in England but he sure was not an atheist.

Posted by: cee at March 21, 2008 3:18 PM

Loved the post cee. It is clear the left will tolerate any of Obama's pandering as long as he tricks and leads the simple folk to the religion of statism. What low opinion they have of anyone who is not a socialist atheist elitist.

Maybe we should wear "Typical White Person" T-shirts made to commemorate Obamessiah's teaching about race relations.

Posted by: Jimmy Jack the Juggling Clown at March 21, 2008 3:38 PM

I guess the clown has never heard of William Wilberforce. Read a history book.

Factor, Jimmy know-nothing (cue OLD SPICE jingle) is a troll who, although he has mentioned some kind of faith in the resurrected Christ, has no problem looking the other way when his leftist fanatics, who would gut the Constitution of freedom of religion, spew their hatred against believers.....

It is a fine constiuency for a self proclaimed born-again Christian like Obamessiah to embrace along with The Nation of Islam.....

Politics makes strange bedfellows!

I know nycu....the use of the word "typical" makes some cringe when it is before other nouns....but the words stand for themselves and it is a nice contrast to the idea that Obamessiah is a transcendant candidate....
I do not think "typical white person" is an effective way to start bringing people together....
You know the word, "patronizing." Most adults move on when a pol acts this way.
Posted by: cee at March 21, 2008 2:26 PM

I agree cee, that was a poor choice of words. But the parsing of those words is maddening. I just found Chris Wallace's reaction very intense. I've never seen him do that to anyone before, let alone his co-workers. I saw it live and found it startling but amazingly refreshing.

I have not had the chance to listen to any of talk radio today, so I do not know if they are ripping him (Chris Wallace) apart like they are Huckabee. (When commenting about the "race" speech, Huck made the obvious statement that we should try to walk in someone else's shoes).

I think I would have more respect for Laura Ingraham and company if they would just stick to the issues. Obama is a far left liberal (way more than Hillary), there is plently to talk about besides parsing something to the point of destruction, ad nuseum.

I don't want to get to deep in any argument with you. I was just blown away by Chris Wallace's reaction. He was so relentless and would not cut them any slack. I think this is how Republicans should act, stick to the issues and they should have no trouble sinking a Dem in Nov.

BTW, Harris ends his hate-filled diatribe with this:

"But Obama's candidacy is also depressing, for it demonstrates that even a person of the greatest candor and eloquence must still claim to believe the unbelievable in order to have a political career in this country. We may be ready for the audacity of hope. Will we ever be ready for the audacity of reason?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/what-barack-obama-could-n_b_92771.html

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What does it say about someone who is willing to vote for someone who may only be claiming to believe in God and Christ and an afterlife only because it is required to run for POTUS?

Am I to infer that Harris believes Obamessiah is not telling us the truth that he believes in Christ?....Wow....What a juicy controversy this would be! So, in order for people to become POTUS, they must pretend to believe in what Harris calls superstition.

I like this line of questioning....It really would be healthy to not only have a national conversation about RACE but a conversation about RELIGION is now necessary according to the fanatic secularists....I agree!

Let's do it.....I can be a TYPICAL white person AND a TYPICAL Christian as well!

What advancement the left has ready for our backward country!

Whoa, Countdown is really tanking at it's new repeat time....(Plus Campbell Brown is really giving him a run for his money):

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/ratings/default.asp

No argument from me, news....I just think the statement is actually very telling about Obamessiah in that he is actually no different in attitude towards race than the rest of his party...It is a telling sign that makes Obama no different from Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton or Pelosi....

The argument that this election is about anything new is a farce....it is still far left against mild right of center.....Obama is losing independents everyday because of this slip and I am sure republicans will continue to make sure the farce is not recovered....

I am simply enjoying, as a conservative, the radical left's uncomfortable position of having to deal with both race and religion in a candidate that has tried to present himself as a savior to our country. These terms usually make the secular left very uncomfortable.

cee, in the words of Olbermann,
"fair enough" :D
(and the smiley of Cecelia)

maybe this was a ploy to get Obama to come on Fox News. (I think Chris or O'Reilly would be fair to him). Although, Obama has been on Fox & Friends....

Obama campaign praises Wallace, says Fox has been "deeply irresponsible"

From the campaign's blog:

We appreciate Chris Wallace for doing his job as a tough but fair journalist on a network that has been deeply irresponsible over the last week in its unrelenting and sensationalistic coverage of Sen. Obama.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Obama_campaign_praises_Wallace_says_Fox_has_been_deeply_irresponsible.html

Isn't Chris Wallace having somekind of "Obama clock" that is ticking up the time it has been since Obama said he would appear of Wallace's show and has yet to schedule....I thought I read something about that this week.

Cee, I hate to break this to you but... you are the far right. In fact you are very close to the far far right. Only 30% of you support this president. You are the extreme.

Funny, I don't recall describing my place on the political spectrum...only about what the candidates represent.....

Democrats (Obamessiah or HRC): far left
Republicans (McCain): right of center

Now if you would like to discuss this if you have a particular opinion than fine....

I know posters like wannawipe (the dude at 4:51 PM) and Jimmy know-nothing (cue OLD SPICE jingle) have a difficult time understanding the concept of radicalism in their party because they live in some kind of echo chamber that has only the republicans having the out-of-mainstream nuts....

Well sorry....the truth is much different and I am glad to be part of a 30% that holds mainstream and rational beliefs as opposed to a group that encourages hatred and division.

Remember which party allows different opinions regarding abortion, ESCR, human caused global warming, the education of our children, and the Iraq War...among many others....The litmus tests for the democrats are abundant and sickening.

This thread is now closed!