Another example on the long list of Olbermann's mistakes as he tries to play the role of a journalist by using leftist pundits as his "source."

Funny. the FOX NEWS show has differerent points of view (unlike COUNTDOWN) and has a lite moment about the deeply controversial issue of Obamessiah's comments and Olbermann thinks its real....What a loser....

This is what "fair and balanced" is....two or three people with totally different points of view have a funny moment together....BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT ARROGANT UNTHINKING LEFTIST SHILLS!

Will there be a retraction on COUNTDOWN?

And this is my post today, the 1,790th day since the declaration of Mission Accomplished in Iraq.....

I am cee, good night and good luck.

"But Obama's candidacy is also depressing, for it demonstrates that even a person of the greatest candor and eloquence must still claim to believe the unbelievable in order to have a political career in this country. We may be ready for the audacity of hope. Will we ever be ready for the audacity of reason?"

Obamessiah supporter Sam Harris 3/21/08

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/what-barack-obama-could-n_b_92771.html

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"When men stop believing in God they don't believe in nothing; they believe in anything."

Depeche Mode

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

Before I waste a perfectly loaded .44 mag on my pc, is this site still experiencing tech problems? Navigating from one page to another is causing freeze ups. I am having problems no where else, but, here. Thanks, in advance..

Cherry picked.

They used this as their running gag today. Guests were called "typical_____" , then they stormed off the set.

J$, I love the "rip and read"!

Ko, the fasted "rip and read" in the blogoshere!

Grammie

Cee:

I considered not responding to you, but then you bring up Sam Harris, again. You just can't let anything go,

This is old, old territory which I am sure interests no one but you and serves no purpose other than some pitiful need for self-affirmation of your out-of-the-Christian-mainstream views. I did not interject religion into the comment about the British serving to better us, as they have historically done, and as we have reciprocated in the past. I used “British” which presumably includes the religious and irreligious.

Your self-affirmation includes some bizarre need to draw a false dichotomy between Christianity and humanism. The two are not, nor have they ever been mutually exclusive. This has, in fact, been recognized by this recently fabricated term “secular humanist”. In point of fact, most of the Christian thinkers since the Reformation, and before, have themselves been humanists, and they never found it necessary to refer to themselves as Christian humanists. It is this great tradition which fostered Christian abolitionism.

To bring this into more current times, we can all recall great numbers of Christian and secular humanists who fought off apartheid from the mid 20th century through the present. But we can also recall the comfort that some Christian sects gave to apartheid, most notably the Southern Baptists and other fundamentalists, but also some of the mainline sects.

As for Christianity and slavery, a tawdry, supportive relationship existed between the two institutions since well before the founding of our nation through the abolition of slavery in the 19th century. That cannot be denied. Nor can it be denied that there were Christians who were leaders in the abolitionist movement. You cite Wilberforce, ad nauseum, presumably because you watched a film which makes him an easy source of information for one too slothful to study the question fairly and fully. In so doing, you slight Wilberforce who as a Christian was one of the great humanists in the Anglo-American tradition. If you watched that film carefully, you realize that Wilberforce was not struck blind by a revelation from on high, but that he saw what was about him, the pain and agony, the instrinsic evil of the slave trade. When I saw the treatment of God’s creatures by others also God creatures, he understood that the slave trade was not only wrong, but also a abomination in the eyes of God. There were many, many other Christian humanists involved in the abolitionist movement who you slight by omission and, perhaps, out of ignorance and sloth.

Many humanists not part of the Christian tradition or who rejected Christianity were also part of the great abolitionist movement: Ralph Waldo Emerson, William Lloyd Garrison, Robert Ingersoll, John Stuart Mill, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, and Fanny Wright. We also know that the French revolutionaries of the 18th century and the Mexican revolutionaries of the 19th and early 20th centuries abolished slavery and apartheid. Both revolutions were decidedly and expressly anti-clerical.

But this is a pointless endeavor on my part. Reason, history, science never win the day with you unless they happen to fall into your preconceived notions and unless you can distort them to fit. Your point is, as I always have said, self-affirmation of personal and religious views decidedly out of the mainstream of both Christian and American thought. Your self-affirmation requires driving wedges between people where no such space or distinction is required. I don’t understand that, and I am not at all sure I care to do so.

The fact is that Christianity and humanism are a powerful team, a strong mating of sound theology and sound anthropology. A fullness of God and man, which helps us to understand God as man and also helps us to recognize and exalt that bit of divinity in all men. I do not love man because man is perfect. I do not love the Church because it is perfect. I love man because he is the full expression of God’s love, and I love the Church because in the broad sweep of history, and with some awful exceptions, it is man setting about doing God’s work in the world. We are perhaps ill-equipped to carry out that mission, and we divest ourselves even further of the ability to carry out that mission when we reject reason, science, history, when we reject humanism. The great strength of Chrisitan humanism is that it transcends our own prejudicies and our politics. Christian humanists are across the political spectrum and without geographic or educational divide. Don’t expect others to buy into your utter and complete sanctimony. That is your need. It serves no purpose for me or for others.

philby, there is a post directed to you from "The Pope" on another thread. I suggest you read it.

On a much more serious note, just imagine if this was a white (R)! Nuttin' but major crickey's from the orange faced hack and his minions.

By COREY WILLIAMS, Associated Press Writer
16 minutes ago

DETROIT - Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, a one-time rising star and Detroit's youngest elected leader, was charged Monday with perjury and other counts after sexually explicit text messages contradicted his sworn denials of an affair with a top aide.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy also charged the popular yet polarizing 37-year-old mayor with obstruction of justice and misconduct in office.

Krazy Keith is obsessed with Fox News to the point of being delusional. He's now inventing weird scenarios to rationalize his increasingly insane behavior. Better increae those psychotherapy sessions, Keith... your Howard Beale breakdown is near.

Olby can't get anything right
Rip and read from the Huffington site
Won't have to wait long
For Keith to be wrong
Rip and Read like he's Daily Kos Lite

Too funny.

I wonder what Mister Fat A$$ will have for us today?

1:02 PM ignores Mr. Harris!....How easy the argument is when you actually ignore 50% of what the other person is challenging....I wish I could have done this in debate at university...it would have saved hours of preperation.

No, dear Jimmy know-nothing (cue OLD SPICE jingle)...the term "secular humanist" is a term created by those who believe there is no God and demand intellectual purity in the pursuit of truth by denying a supernatural...None of the examples of great thinkers you gave were secular humanists....even Emerson believed in a supernatural....This is always the irrational and cowardly out you and many on the elitist left attempt to game the argument....simply dismiss the term "secular" or start the hate speech against those who are the target of secular humanist pograms of what Harris asks as "audacity of reason."

You are a rube being played to basically ignore the hatred coming from your own quarter. That is fine, Jimmy know-nothing...I have known the depth and breadth of your commitment to defending the greatest, first commandment, which, by the way means it comes before the second commandment....

Love THE LORD with all your heart, mind and strength....

THE LORD, or I AM, Jehovah, is the basic proclaimation that there is only one god, I AM....To ignore the ideology of secular humanism, which is in direct opposition to the first, greatest commandment, is to basically beginning with nothing and is why such belief as yours is like the dust in the wind.

Sam Harris sits in arrogance in judgement of simple faith in I AM and once again, I will repeat, secular humanism is centered on denying the existance of the supernatural, I AM.

To simply write a hate filled post about me is to totally ignore my challenge to you in finding a secularist that did anything to abolish slavery. Good job, Jimmy....not only are your beliefs based on shifting sand, but your intellect seems as steady....

Such shifting foundations allow for the contradictions like the acceptance of infanticide or abortion as moral. Such aquiescence in the name of "progress," "tolerance," "intellectualism," "modernity," or many other false pretences that have tripped mankind since the fall....

Read some more red testtament in your Christian testament, Jimmy...as a completed Jew, I can assure you Christ was ALL about the first and greatest commandment and the second commandment flows naturally from that most important hurdle....a hurdle only accomplished one way as He preached...Your religion of tradition and comfort is a pale veneer to the real and difficult faith that is the real Christian.....and the persecution was a sign of that true faith....

I gladly accept your persecution along with Sam Harris' because that is what Christ said would happen.

"Take a piece of news just arrived on the Associated Press wire and combine it with a television pundit of large ego and you have a combustible piece of journalism. So it was on the evening of March 20 on MSNBC.

That night, in prime time, Keth Olbermann was so aroused by a report that somebody at the State Department had improperly looked into Barack Obama’s passport files, that he dedicated his entire hour to the story as the reporting on it was just beginning. With breathless intensity, he repeated the snippet of information again and again, now and then pausing to ask colleagues to explain and speculate on something that as yet was crowded with uncertainty. [From the broadcast, here’s a You Tube of Olbermann with MSNBC reporter David Shuster that gives a feel for the show."

The introduction to Carolyn Lewis' article "First Get the Story, Then Interpret It" or KO and The New Watergatian Scandal.

http://blog.niemanwatchdog.org/?p=205

Grammie

"...serves no purpose other than some pitiful need for self-affirmation of your out-of-the-Christian-mainstream views."

Jimmy know-nothing

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Now I know why you think I have strange beliefs...You have no problem with Olbamessiah's version of Chrsitiany:

"This is not a crackpot church."

Senator Obama regarding his church once lead by Reverand Wright.....Oh really:

"Obama has never had to acknowledge that the vision of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago is is based upon the systematized Black Liberation Theology that started in 1969 with the publication of Dr. James Cone’s book, Black Power and Black Theology. In Black Theology and Black Power, Cone wrote, 'Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man 'the devil.'' Cone is of the belief that:

"'Black theology is the only genuine manifestation of Christianity in America today. White theology is basically racist and nonChristian. If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it. It is the enemy of Christ.'"

http://proteinwisdom.com/?p=11566

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So, jimmy know-nothing (cue OLD SPICE jingle), is Obamessiah's and Wright's Christian Theology containing Black Liberation Theology mainstream?.....

I believe two simple things....There is a God and He revealed Himself through the scriptures.....How crazy is that?

How about you?....Why did you guard that altar this weekend (I was looking for that command in scripture)......Was Christ dead and then raised from the dead?....The Bible says He was and I believe that....do you?.....How about the garden, the flood, Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, David, etc.....?.....Jesus, the son of God mentions all of these in red...have you read it recently?....

What do you think Sam Harris would have to say about all of that, Jimmy know-nothing?

My oh my....one man's mainstream is another man's radicalism....

Oh....and Obamessiah's crackpot theology still has had a negative effect on his poll numbers:

"On Monday, McCain is viewed favorably by 55% of voters nationwide and unfavorably by 42%. Obama’s reviews are 46% favorable and 52% unfavorable. For Clinton, those numbers are 42% favorable, 55% unfavorable."

http://thenewsbuckit.com/2008/03/obamas-unfavorables-creep-to-new-all.html

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Oh and wannawipe...taking a few snipets of my post to place in a context that is totally different than the original is nice, but dishonest....Both Jews and Chrisitans must fulfill the greatest commandment....Love THE LORD (I AM)....Sam Harris's demand that this not occur in a rational society is religious hatred....plain and simple....your leftist bigots seem to forget this simple
request and rationalize in the name of modernity, intellectualism or whatever....the rationalization does not overcome the hatred....

And your lack of intellect in even knowing what I, a Jew, means by meeting and knowing The Messiah and being complete does not surprise me....My fellow Jews are loved by me and Jehovah just as much as are all mankind (including you) despite their (and your) present rejection of The Messiah.....That is what we will celebrate at Passover next month AND what we celebrated at Easter this past weekend.

Does it occur to anyone that if anyone other than Olby had gotten their totally unqualified "girlfriend" hired for a job in the number one news market in the U.S. that Olby would have named them "Worst Person in the World?"

Maybe he can have an all-Olby WPITW segment where he names himself positions 1-3.

Oh my god, this whole segment was such a farce. Ole kilmeade storms off crying like a little baby and probably spent the whole weekend sucking murdoch's d!@$ so he could keep his job.

What a ridiculous old fool and fraud you are, Cee. In your earlier post you specifically said BRITISH EVANGELICALS (your CAPS, not mine) led the abolition movement. Then, you demand I name a humanist who was a leader in the movement. A named a number of them. Then, when you, even you, realized you were wrong, you changed the rules. Emerson and a "supreme being". And, not only did you change the rules, but you gave an example about which you have not the slightest understanding. You would have more accurately said Emerson was a believer but a heretic. You have obviously never read Emerson, and you know nothing about anyone else on the list you demanded.

Debate, indeed. Who would listen to you whine a moan for an hour?

I am sure even your hapless and witless compadre, Jeff/Royal King/OS/Whatever Name He Choses Tomorrow realizes what a fool and a fraud you are.

Now, go and torture a salamandar until he confesses his faith.

Worth Re Posting!

It is no wonder the Evangelicos appeal to idiots, and idiots are drawn to become fundie Evangelicos.

Posted by: Ronco, your ignorance is showing again at March 23, 2008 11:32 PM

You mean like obama appealing to you? Your ignorance is showing, dp.

"However, leave your idiotic claims of divine inspiration out of your idiotic political arguments. It does not help you. It shows what a fundie moron you are."

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Does this demand apply to Sam Harris, Jeremiah Wright and the thousands of others supporting Obamessiah, wannawipe?

Oh, and does it include Obamessiah who claimed his church was a mainstream church?....

It seems it is not just us fundy flat earther rightwingers injecting race and religion into politics this year!

"you demand I name a humanist who was a leader in the movement."

And Jimmy....you are stupid....I asked for a SECULAR HUMANIST....not a humanist.....Read please....

"I will challenge you, dear Jimmy know-nothing....name for me ONE secular humanist (oh...and this person would then be an ATHEIST) who spoke against slavery and actively pursued its abolishment....just ONE....."

Posted by: cee at March 21, 2008 3:49 PM

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Secularism IS the destructive force of the world currently and had no influence whatsoever in any movements to end slavery....The closest you go was Mr. Ingersoll who only goes as far as claiming to be agnostic....he was Saint Joan in his writings compared to leftist secularists like Sam Harris....

And in regards to Emerson.....

"The Sun is the sole inconsumable fire
And God is the sole inexhaustible Giver."

What a wonderful view of God and His creation has Emerson given me as I have read him through the years, Jimmy know-nothing....As much as I can read the English language, I know Emerson believed in a higher power, the supernatural and was not a SECULAR HUMANIST....

I originally asked you to find me a secular humanist....not a humanist, Jimmy....You lose.....again.....

Read the works of a secular humanist of that same century, Jimmy....Mr. Marx....let me know what he did to free the slaves.....

What did he think of Africans?

How about Dr. Darwin?.....What did he think of Africans, Jimmy?

You are the fraud, Jimmy know-nothing (cue OLD SPICE jingle)....you did not show me one secular humanist like I requested....you tried to change the rules

Loser....Liar.....Hate monger....This is Jimmy know-nothing.....once again shown up as the fake we always knew he was.

I will not expect your defense of Sam Harris or even Obamessiah's Black Liberation Christianity, Jimmy....you're not capable!

cee, wannawipe prefers to be called dark power or dp for short. Have you seen his video? I suggest you watch it for a deeper understanding of the person posting ramblings as his.

www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2007/05/meet_the_olbylo.php

jaysus, what has this site become?

Oh, and this was a gem.....

"You would have more accurately said Emerson was a believer but a heretic."

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Who called Emerson a heretic, dear Jimmy know nothing?.....Main line Protestant denominations.....of which I am not a member....You are, are you not, Jimmy?....

They claimed he was an atheist....he NEVER responded...but kept writing his beautiful works....he even had reverence for the Sabbath like my ancestors.....

"The Sunday is the core of our civilization, dedicated to thought and reverence. It invites to the noblest solitude and to the noblest society."

And worship.....

"'Tis certain that worship stands in some commanding relation to the health of man, and to his highest powers, so as to be, in some manner, the source of intellect."

or even destiny....

"'Tis the best use of fate to teach a fatal courage. Go face the fire at sea, or the cholera in your friend's house, or the burglar in your own, or what danger lies in the way of duty, knowing you are guarded by the cherubim of destiny."

The writings of Emerson are SO anti-secularist, so anti-cynical, so anti-YOU, Jimmy know-nothing that I have to laugh out loud at your ignorant posts!

It may be off topic, off topic, but the leftist Olbermann apologists like Jimmy and Dark Power just love to post their hate and a response is only fitting to the ignorance....

These are men who do not think, they just spew out tripe they were fed by someone who should know better....

Indeed, Marx, did little to promote the abolition of slavery or the slave trade. Of course, he was born in Germany. Germany had no slaves nor slave trade.

Marx was born in 1818. The £2.00 coin on my desk commorates the 200th anniversary of the abolition of the slave trade in England in 2007. That would have been 1807, 11 years before Marx was born.

Marx come to England in the mid-1840's, 30-35 years after the abolition of the slave trade.

Although you are ahistorical, except to treat history as a cheap whore to build up your weak and weakening manhood, Marx could not be blamed for not participating in the abolitionist movement anymore than he could have been blamed for not participating in the overthrow of Cromwell or the Apollo mission.

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Emerson wrote that Chrisitianity deadens rather that activates the spirit and adds “that all men have sublime thoughts; that all men value the few real hours of life; they love to be heard; they love to be caught up into the vision of principles”. Not Gospel it would seem, but rather humanistic, compatible with faith, but not faith itself.

It seems you are every bit as aliterary as ahistorical.

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In fairness to other readers, no doubt bored by this "discussion", this is my last word on this topic. It ought to be yours as well. Although you hold others and all in abject contempt, it ought to be clear, even to you, that you are incapable of a far-reaching and important discussion. I know, of course, that doesn't end your bleating, oddly at once arrogant yet pleading. But I will not join you on these points again lest my arguing with you draw my intellect downward and closer to yours and seriously reduce readership.

Brian Kilmeade.. geez,, is there no end to the nonsense that Rupert Murdoch pays you to put in your shitty little blog.

Kinky Friedman ? What were Ted Nugent and Charlie Daniels busy playing some little pathetic state fair somewhere in some place where the populace is made up of nothing but white trash .

Wonderful example of many at 8:28PM of the failure to even address 1% of the original debate.....let alone the failure to show that Emerson was even a secularist.

Comments on a sect or "religion" is all together different from adopting an ideology founded on the theory that there is no supernatural, dear Jimmy know-nothing....Once again, you fail to even admit you were wrong and ill advised to even attempt to search for a secularist in the great tapestry of history when legal slavery was confronted and exterminated....

It was not because of the likes of Sam Harris.....

Oh and the Marx example....his ideology was an indictment of all mankind with a proposed rational, secular program that would solve the problems.....no aspect of this secularist took any position on slavery and most of the secular writing, including Darwin, saw Negroes as genetically inferior.....

You did not even address dear Darwin....how about the eugenics movement?....Oh that one was a good one too....the rational would cure the world from defect and disease!

Jimmy know-nothing.....now showing the courage of a flea in defending his position.....and lying to boot....Secular Humanist, Jimmy....I'm waiting.....

BTW readers, Jimmy know-nothing has used several names over the years here at OW to spread his hate....when I have confronted his silliness he usually ignored me to avoid being debunked....but could not this time.....until the promise at 8:28 PM.....I am sorry for taking bandwidth to educate the moron, but like most arrogant leftists, he seems unteachable.

Bye, Jimmy....try again another time....

weep, faint, then weep again!!!!!

Someone PLEASE crack a window.

This site has gotten more stale than ever.

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Sorry. I know there is no point is discussing anything with Cee. I'm sure everyone was bored by that sxchange. I ought not have taken so much space.

Check out this tribute video to our Olbermann.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zc3-2Wol9MM

Have a laugh :)

Thanks Toma....very funny and so true.

I particularly liked the "nuance."

Weep, faint then weep again!

cee....or "typical white person."

Kinky Friedman?
Posted by: Stick An Emmy Award in OReilly's hand at March 24, 2008 8:41 PM

Super moron, Kinky Friedman is voting for your rock 'n racist Obamanation. Oh wait, I know why you don't like him. He is Jewish. If you hate this blog so much, go to one of you storm trooper echo chambers and tell the other skin heads how you weep and faint every time Obamanation speaks.

this thread is now closed!