Well, either you believe the teaching the pastor is giving specifically or you don't.....What did John McCain say about Olbermann's quote by Hagee about the reason for H. Katrina?.....

"It’s nonsense, it’s nonsense, it’s nonsense and it’s nonsense, it’s nonsense, and I don’t have anything additional to say about it. … It’s nonsense and I don’t have anything more to say about it. It’s nonsense. I reject it categorically."

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/04/24/quote-of-the-day-mccain-on-pastor-hagee/

With regard to the controversial interpretation of scripture from the book of The Revelation....Was John McCain sitting there at the table while Hagee gave his teaching on the end times or is he a member of Hagee's congregation?....He currently attends a Baptist Church after being baptised, as an infant, in the Episcopal Church. He is not a member of the Baptist Church because he has yet to meet the requirement of Adult Baptism....

This compared to our dear Black Liberation Theology follower, SNOBamessiah, who is A MEMBER of UCC Trinity for 20 years! Has SNOBamessiah discussed the controversial doctrine? No.

SNOBamessiah states he has now disavowed his former pastor....but what about the church itself?....Black Liberation Theology is still the doctrine of UCC Trinity in Chicago and unless I missed something, SNOBamessiah is still a member.....

Sorry Olbermann....your argument is dull and off target....Rev. Hagee is the leader of a nondenominational Evangelical Church that does not have McCain on their membership roles. Rev. Wright is the still respected former pastor of UCC Trinity Church who has the Obamas as active members....married and their little impressionable girls baptised there....the doctrine?....the radical Black Liberation Theology.....

And you're right, Mr. Cox....Olbermann's even sillier "blame the media" tact is actually funny as he is supposedly the face of the NBC News cable network.

So KO is using the everyone dose it defense..only it's no big deal for Obama and Wright but is for McCain and Hagee?..thats weak and an apples and Orange comparison....Obama spent 20rs in that church with Wright I bet McCain hasn't spent even 20mins with Hagee.

Also there is a difference it what Wright has said and what Hagee,Falwell and Roberson have said..which I'm not going to defend or agree with...however when they make comments about God punishing the US because of Gays,abortion and whatever it is the context of their religious beliefs(God is doing it)..when Wright made his comments he was directly accusing the US of doing things like creating the AIDS virus to kill Blacks and of being a Terrorist state which lead it to be attacked on 9/11(he's not saying it's God doing it He's saying it's the US)...so there is a little difference.

Plus KO is it wrong or (w)right for Obama to have been involved in Wright's church for 20yrs?..if you think Hagge's endorsement of McCain makes McCain guilty for Hagge's remarks then what dose that say for your man Obama?

Leave it to Olby to defend the liar Barack Hussein Obama.

It certainly illustrates how Olbermann would approach things if John McCain had sat in Hagee's church for 20 years.

It certainly illustrates how Olbermann would approach things if John McCain had sat in Hagee's church for 20 years.

"It certainly illustrates how Olbermann would approach things if John McCain had sat in Hagee's church for 20 years."

What I'm dying to know is how you would approach things if Obama had not sat in Wright's church for 20 years, but HAD actively sought and accepted his support?

Of course you are proposing a hypothetical but I think there are some things that can be absolutely truthfully said no matter what side of the aisle one is on.

First, and very obviously, no one could claim a relationship as close as Pastor to parishoner for twenty years.

Second, no one could claim that in twenty years of that close relationship that Obama had to have been aware of at least some of the general thrust of Wright's sermons.

Third, no one could claim that Wright married the Obamas, christened their children and attended church and Sunday School [to whatever degree they did] for twenty years.

Fourth, no one could claim that Obama stayed in a church for twenty years that honored Louis Farhakan (sp) so far that Wright accompanied Farhakan to Lybia [of Khadafy infamy] to demonstrate support.

Fifth, no one could claim that Wright's words for the last twenty years that were looped in March had anything new in April when Obama decided to disaasociate himself from them.

Sixth, no one claim that Obama's sole motivation to distance himself from Wright after twenty years were the result of Wright accusing Obama of being a pure politician.

So, what do you think?

What I'm dying to know is

posted by mikeh

Common olbyloon diversion..........

Grammie: "So what do you think?"

First: This makes very little difference to me and it astonishes me that it seems to make that much difference to some others. I have long term close personal relationships with fringe people on BOTH sides of the political realm but they have NO influence whatsoever in what I personally believe.

Second: Yes, he was undoubtedly aware to some degree of this guy's radical political views, but what does THAT have to do with believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God who died to save us for our sins? The function of a pastor is to teach us the truth of the Bible, ...... not to shape our political views.

Third: I honestly don't know the political beliefs of the Priest who married my wife and I, nor would I particularly care what they believed politically.

Fourth: While I think your points are starting to run together a little, most of us stay in a church because of what that church believes regarding Jesus, and not what leaders it's pastor has hobnobbed with. That said, all of this is completely ignoring the fact that most Black Americans have a far more nuanced view about Farrakhan than most white Americans do.

Fifth: What was 'new' in April as right intentionally attacking Obama at a very critical time in an obvious attempt to sabatage his chances, even though Obama had showed laudable loyalty to his old friend when he distanced himself from him in March. I believe Obama understood that until his tirade in April, Wright had done nothing to earn his looped humiliation on the national stage other than his having been Obama's Pastor with some controversial ideas. I laud Obama's refusal to throw Wright completely under the bus back in March under those circumstances. The fact that Wright's views had changed had nothing to do with it.

Sixth: I disagree because if I were running for public office, it would be completely fair and legitimate for me to distance myself from the VIEWS of friends and family members who publicly expressed radically different ideas.

Finally, I believe it is far less admirable to seek the endorsement of someone with some publicly expressed repugnant beliefs than it is to distance oneself from those views while refusing to trash the person themself.

MikeH, if I had realized that you had no desire for anyone to answer you I wouldn't have.

"What I'm dying to know is how you would approach things if Obama had not sat in Wright's church for 20 years, but HAD actively sought and accepted his support?"

One essential point I do have to point out that you seem to be oblivious to.

Wright's politics are integral to his religious beliefs.

The few complete transcripts I've read of his sermons are 90% politically orientented with biblical verses interspersed as connections. I have rarely heard a Catholic priest make even oblique references to politics from the pulpit so I don't know their political views. It is completely obvious that Wright melds his religion with his politics and that, combined with the facts of his political philosophy, is why even Obama admits that his relationship with Wright is pertinent considering his aspiration to be President of the United States.

Compare apples to apples, Mike.

Give up Grammie...Mike has swooned for SNOBamessiah....those of us who have not bought the ploy are racist bigots....

The church SNOBamessiah attended for 20 years adheres to the radical (and little supported) black liberation theology, a total meshing of late 20th century African-American historical experience and Christian doctrine....This will come out more and more in the campaign and the ties to such tripe as well as Bill Ayers will crop up again and again and the images of these radicals will play to the truth that the candidate is VERY left of center and most reasonable Americans are moderate in both political and religious/social belief.

Hagee's interpretation of end-times scriptures, which is a totally religious question, is (1) not what McCain believes and (2) smells of an unAmerican religious test which will never gain traction as an issue against the moderate McCain.

Grammie: "MikeH, if I had realized that you had no desire for anyone to answer you I wouldn't have."

Janet, there are times when I don't have a clue here you are getting some of your assumptions from....reading the above statement was one of those times.

Cee: "Hagee's interpretation of end-times scriptures, which is totally a religious question, is (1) not what McCain believes..."

And you and I both know damned well that Obama doesn't believe the fringe doctrine that Wright believes either.

And that makes you nothing more than a partisan attack dog!

Grammie: "Wright's politics are intregal to his religious beliefs": I disagree, and there is no way you can back up that statement theologically speaking....There is nothing about "aids was created by the US government", or that 'we brought on 911', 'etc, etc.' that is in direct opposition to what is taught in scripture.

Grammie: "I have never heard a Catholic Priest make even oblique references to politics from the public."

Well I certainly have!

That was especially evident in the 2004 presidential election in which not only was Bush being endorsed directly from the pulpit, but literature sent to our home implied a 'good' Catholic would never vote democratic.

This was played out in churches all over America repeatedly, and it's one reason we're still "stuck in Iraq"!

How can someone attend a church which has as its central doctine, a theology the parishoner does not agree with?

SNOBamessiah has never reputiated black liberation theology....in fact, as of now, the actual doctrine has never been addressed in relation to race relations and I am only to assume he and his wife agrees with it....

They are still members of the church, BTW.

ESPECIALLY in light of his great SPEECH on race the first attempt to overcome the controversy....That claptrap actually tried to excuse the existance of radical theology in his church and he claimed he could not repudiate it no more than he could repudiate his own racist white grandmother.

This all coming from the candidate self described as a unifier?....If he supports black liberation theology, he is not a unifier.

Cee: "How can someone attend a church which has as its central doctrine, a theology the parishoner does not agree with?"

A better question would be; how can someone who claims to be a devout Christian continue to try to smear someone he disagrees with with the words and beliefs of others?

Really? That's a "better queston?" Is cee running for potus?

Just like SNOBamessiah...Mike has the only way to evaluate the candidates for President...

Don't look at my political allies in Chicago (Ayers)
Don't look at my church's social/religious ideology (Wright/Trinity UCC)
Don't look at my private conversations that got caught on tape (MACACA)...."bitter cling ons"

Only listen to what I say in my "weep, faint then weep again" pep rallies, adverts and campaign slogans....that's all you need.....

I WILL TELL YOU WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO CONCENTRATE ON!.....The war, my leftist economic agenda....

But do not pay attention to my past and history...or lack there-of.....I am a "new" type of politician....not a radical leftist.....with little experience in government.....

Sorry Mike, defining candidates is everybody's right....and this extended primary has set the stage for finally vetting SNOBamessiah.....