In that Media Matters Minute, Fat Ass blamed Bush and Bolton for 9/11, called Chris Wallace "naive" because "you're 60," and "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor" was knocked off (faded out entirely) for the Worst. Ooh, that means it's really serious.

...and then it was brought back up at the end. All the while, the snark, and the lies that Johnny noted above, continued intermittently.

Hey, I gotta question.

With all this messianic fervor being generated by Obama, isn’t his campaign coming remarkably close to being nullified under SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE laws?

Ah, where’s Madeline Murray O’Hare when you need her.

Maddy Babes would let any of that crap go by…

On another note…anyone see this?

UNITED FLIGHT CANCELED AFTER UPSET PILOT REFUSES TO FLY.
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2008-06-20-upset-united-pilot_N.htm

I wonder if he’s related to bathtub boy?

Cusack says he's a fan of the show
Another Olby moron in tow
Misinformed moonbats
Wearing twin ass hats
The two experts on war don't you know?

Did BOR's name come up in the Cusack interview?

Cusack fellated Olby with the comment: " O'Reilly? You bash his head in every night. What more is there to say? Where does one begin?"
I smiled with the satisfaction that OW bashes Fat Ass's head nightly.
Or do we bash Fat Heads ass?

I knew as soon as Olby said that O'Reilly has anchored on primary nights that Johnny would nail him in the recap. I mean, that's not even a good lie. Krazy Legs must be off his game tonight.

Two week in a row; two weeks of O'Reilly beating olby every night. I guess we won't be seeing that ad, falsely asserting, that, "last week fat ass beat O'Reilly", anymore. 2 million viewesr? Over how many shows, olby?

Keith claimed that the page six story written by Paula Froelich yesterday and the story on page six that will appear tomorrow is vile, low and a cheap shot at him. He might be right but Keith brings this stuff on himself.

For years now Keith has been has been using his show to launch deep personal attacks on people he just disagrees with.

No, not people that have crossed him in the past but people that just have different political views then his.

His show is hateful and it’s all coming back at him.
I’m not sure why anybody would want to watch is show, the man is bitter and mean. Do some of the people Keith speaks out against deserve some hatred their way?
Perhaps, but giving a loon a one hour show so he can expose the hatred in his mind to a national audience, is an absurd circus.

John Cusack “enjoys Keith’s show?”
The I guess John enjoys witch hunts the likes of McCarthyism, enjoys no descending view points, enjoys hate mongering, enjoys discriminating against females and older citizens and enjoys a man “who is as infantile as he is narcissistic”

It’s not surprising these movie stars are out of touch with the American people.

Two week in a row; two weeks of O'Reilly beating olby every night. I guess we won't be seeing that ad, falsely asserting, that, "last week fat ass beat O'Reilly", anymore. 2 million viewesr? Over how many shows, olby?

You're right on the money, Joe. And dcmeyer, he got that number in total audience over two nights and in the demo in four to six nights. BOR gets that in ONE night and he doesn't lie about it.

GIBSON: The Obama team is going back to some of the old complaints about the war and the war on terror...that the left has been articulating for a long time now, and not really coming up with anything new.

BOLTON: Yeah I think honestly that's an optimistic view of it, that it will simply be a replay of the Clinton administration. It will simply have more embassy bombings, more bombings of our warships like the Cole, more World Trade Center attacks. That would be the best outcome from that perspective.

Even if we leave the 1993 WTC attack out of this equation…can someone grab Keith by the hand (you may use gloves) and walk him to the history books and point out who was in charge when the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed….then who was at the helm when the USS Cole was attacked…

If the written text is too much of a bother, then I’m sure NBC has some of this stuff on tape.

It never ceases to amaze me how someone who thinks he is such a towering intellect and above the rest of us great unwashed…proves pretty much on a daily basis…(I guess giving him points for consistency) what a complete and utter dolt he is.

I really think the guy just has some kind of mental problem. Has anyone ever asked him if he was exposed to large doses of gamma radation as a child? Did Stan Lee get his inspiration for the Hulk from Old Hot Head's special comments?? I mean is there no one better on TV or the movies that does a bettter impression of Buce Banner tyuring into the Hulk then old hot head? I mean the the way he gets all red faced the vains pooping out his forehead, the pure blind radge and hate that he seems to ingulf him during one of his SC tirades would make any director consider him for the part of the Hulk? RIgh, I guess he missed he true calling him life...baseball cards? are we sure he is not a closeted comic book fan?

Only one problem jsut like other certain apsects of old hot heads "private" life, he just comes up a liltte short and just can quit get the job done. So he become more frustrated and more frustrated until he finally snaps and they have to place in the mental ward.

I really think the guy just has some kind of mental problem. Has anyone ever asked him if he was exposed to large doses of gamma radation as a child? Did Stan Lee get his inspiration for the Hulk from Old Hot Head's special comments?? I mean is there no one better on TV or the movies that does a bettter impression of Buce Banner tyuring into the Hulk then old hot head? I mean the the way he gets all red faced the vains pooping out his forehead, the pure blind radge and hate that he seems to ingulf him during one of his SC tirades would make any director consider him for the part of the Hulk? RIgh, I guess he missed he true calling him life...baseball cards? are we sure he is not a closeted comic book fan?

Only one problem jsut like other certain apsects of old hot heads "private" life, he just comes up a liltte short and just can quit get the job done. So he become more frustrated and more frustrated until he finally snaps and they have to place in the mental ward.

You are correct Mike. Also BOR gave probably the most important numbers on the Thursday night show, advertising dollars. FOX gets 47% compared to CNN getting 40% and MSLSD getting only 13%.

NBC would never be so stupid to make old hot head MTP mod. He is right he does not have the experince or brain capitcity to take on such a role. I mean can picture every Sunday w/ him and his motley crue of left wing ass kissing pundents..conservatives not need apply for the pannel.

Here is the Page 6 item on Olbermann, it's pretty funny how they keep reminding everyone that his girlfirend is only 24, I'm sure those old Hillary hags who screamed sexism like hearing that:

THERE'S good news and bad news for Keith ("Crazy Legs") Olbermann regarding the ailment that makes his lower limbs shake uncontrollably. There's a drug that can control the symptoms of Wittmaack-Ekbom's syndrome, which mostly afflicts women - but the MSNBC loudmouth's girlfriend, Katy Tur, might flip out at its side effects.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06212008/gossip/pagesix/risky_rx_for_keith_twitches_116449.htm

By the way, in EVERY interview this guy has done, he has told us about every friggin' health problems he's every had. So for him to say he had RSL since the 90's is pure bunk! It is funny seing the NYPost get under his skin though, hmmm, kind of like the way he thinks he's getting under O'Reilly's skin. I hope they do a story a week until he snaps. Man, didn't Lloyd Grove have all the KarmaBites emails, about 100 or so. If only they'd start releasing them...

The KOS KIDZ give the NYPost some ideas for furture headlines (an example):

Headline: Keith Olbermann is a pedophile:
Come on, now. The guy reads Harry Potter, dates a younger woman, and watches Family Guy. How could he not have photoshopped pictures of a naked Dakota Fanning as his screensaver?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/6/21/9108/91850/373/539656

I think the "You're 60" comment about Chris Wallace was especially appalling. It shows once again how Keith discriminates against everyone who is not like him.

doesnt keith appear to be a cleft pallette when has that goofy smirk?

he is one of the few people d wish a birth defect on

or is it pallate? hmmmm

how the hell do spell pallette wait pallate? whatever how bout hairlip

The DUmmy moonbats are beside themselves with anger because B. Hussein Obama is reversing his position (shocker!) and plans to support FISA. They are finding out that Obamessiah is a two-faced lying bum who cares about his political ambitions and nothing more. Wake up, libnuts. Your hero is a zero.

"The DUmmy moonbats are beside themselves with anger because B. Hussein Obama is reversing his position (shocker) and plans to support FISA. They are finding out that Olamessiah is a two-faced lying bum who cares about his political ambitions and nothing more. Wake up, libnuts. Your hero is a zero."

Philly, I'm sure that if you keep on calling them and their "hero" names they will come around eventually. If that doesn't work, maybe you could step up your insult per sentence rate a little bit more. It could be that your current rate of around two insults per sentence just isn't enough to convince them.

Olbermann and Obamanation are a lot a like. Neither one has actually achieved anything in life. Both Obamanation and Olbermann are nothing more than creations of the left wing hate machine. Obamanation has used his race to get where he is now. Obama was not qualified to become head of the Harvard Law review so Harvard turned the qualifications into a rigged popularity contest. Keith has used his artful way of describing homeruns to whip up mindless left wing sewer into frenzy.

Well, Mike, moonbats do not display the ability to use logic for decision-making, otherwise they would plainly understand that Obama is a fraud and a liar. They merely follow their Obamessiah blindly. For this stupid behavior, they deserve to be treated as simpletons. They insult their own intelligence.

"olbermann and Obamanation are a lot alike. Neither one has actually achieved anything in life."

Might I suggest that you lay out your own personal accomplishments for us so we might have better insight of what your definition of one's having "achieved anything in life" might be?

Philly, it is painfully obvious that you regard anyone's intelligence that doesn't agree with you as inferior to your own, ..... but it might help you to understand that those who tend to deride the intellect of others usually prove to be the the ones most lacking in intellect themselves.

In addition, the next time you are tempted to dismiss Obama supporters as mere "simpletons", it might behoove you to take note of the FACT that Obama's main demographic has been shown time and time again to include more of America's smartest and most educated people than any other candidate.

> those who tend to deride the intellect of others usually prove to be the the ones most lacking in intellect themselves.

Let's see... airhead, boob, brainless, bozo, dimwitted, dumb, dumbass, fathead, fool, idiot, jackass, moron, nitwit, stupid...

Just a few of the terms (culled from the olbersaurus) that Keith has used on others. Obviously you believe that means he is "most lacking in intellect", which makes one wonder why you continue to defend him.

J$: "lets see... airhead, boob, brainless, bozo, dimwitted, dumb, dumbass, fathead, fool, idiot, jackass, moron, nitwit, stupid....Just a few of the terms (rom the Olbersaurus) that Keith has used on others."
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Johnny, you seemed to have missed out on the fact that this conversation was entirely about Barrack Obama, and NOT Keith Olbermann.

J$: "which makes one wonder why you continue to defend him"

See above!

> this conversation was entirely about Barrack Obama

So what? That means your little homily applies to everyone else in the world, but not to Keith Olbermann? If you believe that, you just might be an Olbypologist.

J$: So what?

Well gee Johnny, if you don't understand context any better than that, it makes one wonder why you are anyone's chief critic?
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J$: "That means your little homily applies to everyone else in the world, but not to Keith Olbermann?

And where exactly did I say that Mr. Greenback? What part of 'we were discussing Barack Obama, and not Keith Olbermann' is it that you don't understand?
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J$: "If you believe that, you might be an Olbypologist."

Johnny, I know it just pains you to no end that I don't really care to discuss the personal shortcomings of one Keith Olbermann, but once again, .....See above!

".. but it might help you to understand that those who tend to deride the intellect of others usually prove to be the the ones most lacking in intellect themselves."
Do you have a source for that statement or is this just another one of your projections?

By MikeH on June 22, 2008 8:41 PM

"In addition, the next time you are tempted to dismiss Obama supporters as mere "simpletons", it might behoove you to take note of the FACT that Obama's main demographic has been shown time and time again to include more of America's smartest and most educated people than any other candidate. "

Mike, you may be right about supporters of the Obamessiah, but there is still one unresolved problem. Whenever I confront any of brilliant people with a couple of direct questions, to make sure that all of the things that they say add up, we always get to the moment where they answer me with "F**k off!" Happens every time. Please do not forget that you are one of those people.

In other words my shutout seems to be never ending.

Peace, Mike!

Rico, if you can document where I EVER told you to "F**k off!" in any way, I think it's time for you to document it.

That said, you have been known to ask a few questions that were so incredibly broad, off the point, and decidedly stupid, that no intelligent person would think you actually expected a serious response.

Therefore, I have to conclude that you must be confusing "F**K off!" with "you can't possibly be serious in asking such an incredibly dumb question!"

Trust me on this one Rico.....you're no Tim Russart!

Tim Russart!

Who's he?

Is the orange faced hack still defending and spinning obamas latest monumental flip-flop regarding public financing?

My local radio station played a tape of obama on MTP in Feb.

I haven't laughed so hard in years! Rest in peace, Tim. You nailed obama to the wall, big time!

Johnny, you seemed to have missed out on the fact that this conversation was entirely about Barrack Obama, and NOT Keith Olbermann.

by mikeh

Must be that olbyloon logic.

OS: "Must be that olbyloon logic."......Nope, just the fact jack.

OS: "I haven't laughed so hard in years!"......I wonder how hard you'll be laughing when KO is calling him 'president Obama' while Hannity is calling him 'Mr. Obama'?

By MikeH on June 22, 2008 12:27 PM

"The DUmmy moonbats are beside themselves with anger because B. Hussein Obama is reversing his position (shocker) and plans to support FISA. They are finding out that Olamessiah is a two-faced lying bum who cares about his political ambitions and nothing more. Wake up, libnuts. Your hero is a zero."

Philly, I'm sure that if you keep on calling them and their "hero" names they will come around eventually. If that doesn't work, maybe you could step up your insult per sentence rate a little bit more. It could be that your current rate of around two insults per sentence just isn't enough to convince them.

Well, Mike, I imagine you're re-evaluating your position too, are you not?

As I remember, you were a McCain admirer and certainly had no trouble admitting that he is the more experienced leader than Obama. The problem you articulated was that McCain had reversed himself on certain issues in the typical old cynical politician way of doing things. On the other hand, Obama was different! It was not going to be business as usual with Obama. One of the hallmarks you used to point this out was Obama's championing of using public money to finance campaigns.

Oh, dear...now Mr. Change has "changed" his mind, and not only that...he's using the same rationale that conservatives used when arguing against McCain-Feingold.

Looks like it's going to business as usual, all the way around. Perhaps you can now find it in your heart to go back to the more experienced maverick that you admired for so many years...

Cecelia making something else up: "One of the hallmarks you used to point this out was Obama's championing of using public money to finance campaigns."

Thats absolute BULL Cecelia, I never once discussed Obama's use of public financing. I'll file that one along with your equally false accusation that I championed global warming.

That said, I have expressed respect for McCain but that doesn't mean I want to see him continue to lead America down the path of self destruction the way he seems determined to do.

but it might help you to understand that those who tend to deride the intellect of others usually prove to be the the ones most lacking in intellect themselves.

by mikeh

"lets see... airhead, boob, brainless, bozo, dimwitted, dumb, dumbass, fathead, fool, idiot, jackass, moron, nitwit, stupid....Just a few of the terms (rom the Olbersaurus) that Keith has used on others."

by J$

Just the facts, mikeh. LOL!

Whatever you do, don't touch obamas latest monumental flip flop!

"Whatever you do, don't touch obamas latest monumental flip flop!"

OK, I won't, except to disagree with your assertion that it is particularly "monumental".

It's been put in your face at least 3 times by other posters and you haven't come up with a single defense or a single criticism. Shocker!

"It's been put in your face at least 3 times by other posters and you haven't come up with a single defense or a single criticism. Shocker!"

Oh, how wise of you to notice, oh bright one. Where is it written that I or anyone else has to either support or criticize every decision made by any politician?

I'm sorry he made the mistake of saying otherwise earlier, but I think he is making the correct move now under the circumstances.

Happy now?

By MikeH on June 23, 2008 12:10 AM

'Therefore, I have to conclude that you must be confusing "F**K off!" with "you can't possibly be serious in asking such an incredibly dumb question!"'

Same thing, Mike! It's just your way of saying "F**k off!" with your phony nuance.

"Same thing, Mike! It's just your way of saying "F**k off!" with your phony nuance."

Not at all Rico. It's just your way of misinterpreting and misunderstanding everything you hear with your phony black vs white and us vs them worldview.

"I'll debate John McCain any time, any place!" bho

A few months later......

"I'll only debate him on July 4th!" bho

I'm sorry he made the mistake

by mikeh

Hence, the term apologist.

"Hence, the term apologist."

Whatever you say jack. The reality is that we have two choices here, and both of them have been known to change a position or two, much like pretty much every candidate who has ever lived has done.

So exactly who does that leave YOU to not "apologize" for?

You might just as well get used to saying "President Obama".

McCain will eat obama alive in the debates if obama ever grows balls. Maybe he can borrow mrs. o's.

Add another change of mind by SNOBamessiah.....he didn't want to appear as "playing President,"

Obama Campaign Drops Faux Presidential Seal

http://adage.com/campaigntrail/post?article_id=127944

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That new seal was all the rage, uh? I really liked the change in motto....

VERO POSSUMUS!

By the way....like I called it months ago.....The biggest flaw of SNOBamessiah is why I call him what I call him.....

he is BLINDLY arrogant.

VERO POSSUMUS!

The understatement of the day, by who else...MikeH.....

"and both of them have been known to change a position or two, much like pretty much every candidate who has ever lived has done."

Yeah...right.....A position of TWO?.....

"Obama told us his campaign wasn’t going to be about the money — after all, that was politics as usual. He was going to 'aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.' Later, he expanded on that to say, 'I will sit down with John McCain and make sure that we have a system that works for everybody.'

"Well, McCain is still waiting for that sit-down. Turns out, Obama is all about the money. Now that he can raise more on his own than the government could have offered him — and probably more than McCain can raise — Obama has changed his mind (assuming it was ever made up), and is hoping the voters will not hold it against him.

"Politics, man — you do what you gotta do.

"You run against NAFTA in the Ohio primary, calling the bill 'devastating' and 'a big mistake.' That’s where the votes are . . . or were. Now that he is looking beyond the mid-west, he’s all about free trade. Yeah, well, the rhetoric may have gotten a little 'overheated' back there in Ohio, he says passively, but he’s certainly no protectionist. Perish the thought.

"Then, there is the post-racial stuff. That little sequestered place in our hearts quivered with the hope that with this candidate, in this election, we might move beyond identity politics. And Obama said as much, himself, when he was asked on 60 Minutes if his race was going to be a handicap in the election.

"'No . . . ' he said. 'If I don’t win this race it will be because of other factors . . . [because] I have not shown to the American people a vision for where the country needs to go that they can embrace.' Apparently, the American people are more stupid now than they were when he spoke those words. And his enemies will inevitably try to exploit that stupidity.

"'We know what kind of campaign they’re going to run,' Obama said in a recent speech. 'They’re going to try to make you afraid. . . . They’re going to try to make you afraid of me. 'He's young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?''

"Well, you go with what works. When an aide once asked Huey Long how he was going to explain to a group of important constituents why the 'Kingfish' had gone back on a campaign promise, Long said, simply, 'F*** 'em. Tell 'em I lied.'

"This probably wouldn’t work for Obama. But maybe his apologists — those people who still believe in change, hope, and a new kind of politics — could try out a variation on Huey’s classic. How about, 'F*** 'em. Tell 'em I was being audacious.'"

http://tinyurl.com/6m2wgu

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VERO POSSUMUS!

And now Mr. Cee, would you like a comprehensive run-down of all the position changes McCain is guilty?

That said, we'll have to actually elect him to find out if he is still the "Maverick" he used to be - or - is he the staunch conservative he's tried to appear to be as of late?

Unfortunately, we risk the farm in finding out....just like the chameleon GW Bush turned out to be in 2000 after running as one thing, and then becoming something else entirely once elected.

OS: "McCain will eat Obama alive in the debates if Obama ever grows balls"

In your eyes only....because you would see and hear only what you wished to see and hear.

Cee: "You run against NAFTA in the Ohio primary, calling the bill 'devastating' and a 'big mistake'. Thats where the votes are .. or were. Now that he's looking beyond the mid-west, he's all about free trade."

Only if you consider NAFTA, in the flawed form in which it was negotiated, as the defining embodiment of what "free trade" should be......I don't, and I don't think Obama does either.

But dear MikeH....SNOBamessiah is running on CHANGE!....He is supposed to be a different politician....not like McCain and those others in Washington!

I have no problem with McCain changing his position on....

The Bush Tax cuts....I like my taxes low, especially when I am paying more for food and energy!

The off shore drilling for oil....I want my country to be energy independent from The Middle East as new technologies are developed for the future. Plus, the threat of more supply will lower the speculation on the commodity and there would be price resuctions sooner rather than later.

These two ISSUE changes are because of reality.....

Raising taxes during a recession is stupid.

Oil prices at $140/barrel will be impacted by increased supply...simple economics.

So lets look again, at the change candidate....

He promised to sit down and aggressively work out public financing with the republican candidate.....he did not....he broke a promise regarding financing his campaign....to make it FAIR.....Why?

He promised to be above racial politics....He is now accusing "them" (whoever they are) of mentioning that he's a black guy....

MikeH....Please tell me who SNOBamessiah is talking about...who is THEY?....Reference an instance of this....I will assure you...you will not find a prominent Republican behind it....instead you will find DEMOCRATS.

Cee: "But dear MikeH....SNOBmessiah is running on CHANGE!"....and.....""he broke a promise regarding financing his campaign....to make it fair....Why?"

-----The answer is "to make it fair", as you just put it yourself, ole buddy-----.

You see Cee, elections have consequences, and so do election TACTICS. By smearing John Kerry four years ago with the shamefull "swiftboat", your side is now finding out that playing in the gutter has consequences. Obama is simply not going to allow himself to be defined by ehtically bankrupt 527s the way Kerry had no choice but to allow happen to him.

I would call that but one example of "CHANGE".

MikeH, sorry, you are not getting away with the NAFTA nonspecific propaganda.....SNOBamessiah has backed away from his previous hatred of NAFTA.....

"In February, as the campaign moved into the Rust Belt, both candidates [Obama and Clinton] vowed to invoke a six-month opt-out clause ('as a hammer,' in Obama's words) to pressure Canada and Mexico to make concessions.

"Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper called that threat a mistake, and other leaders abroad expressed worries about their trade deals. Leading House Democrats, including Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel, distanced themselves from the candidates.

"Now, however, Obama says he doesn't believe in unilaterally reopening NAFTA. On the afternoon that I sat down with him to discuss the economy, Obama said he had just spoken with Harper, who had called to congratulate him on winning the nomination.

"'I'm not a big believer in doing things unilaterally,' Obama said. 'I'm a big believer in opening up a dialogue and figuring out how we can make this work for all people.'

http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortune/easton_obama.fortune/

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BTW, that was the same Canadian PRIME MINISTER SNOBamessiah called "The President of Canada."

So please....SNOBamessiah is RELYING on people not being smart and holding him accountable for his previous pandering when it was politically expedient....He claimed to not be like this Washington type pol....he lied.....

"'Sometimes during campaigns the rhetoric gets overheated and amplified,' he conceded, after I reminded him that he had called NAFTA 'devastating' and 'a big mistake,' despite nonpartisan studies concluding that the trade zone has had a mild, positive effect on the U.S. economy.

"Does that mean his rhetoric was overheated and amplified? 'Politicians are always guilty of that, and I don't exempt myself,' he answered."

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Wonderful...What a guy SNOBamessiah is for that admission! I guess the voters in Ohio that voted for him based on his words then no longer matter? Which is it, MikeH?

Lie about the 527's, MikeH....

Who spent more in 527 ads in the election of 2004?.....

THE DEMOCRATS!

"Based on filings with the Internal Revenue Service, the report showed that Democratic 527's were organizing and operating much earlier in the 2004 election cycle than Republican groups, in part because Republicans were challenging the legality of 527's before the Federal Election Commission. By May, when the commission said it would do nothing to change the rules, Republican 527's had spent just $237,000 on the presidential race, compared with $73 million by Democratic 527's.

"At that point, however, Republican groups rebounded quickly, spending $62 million through the end of the presidential election, as the Democrats spent another $115 million."

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/17/politics/17donate.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

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Read it and weep, MikeH....SNOBamessiah is demogoging the issue and will likely spend THREE TIMES AS MUCH on negative campaign ads than McCain and the republicans because he will have no limit to his spending.

If 527's were the reason SNOBamessiah wanted restrictions, why did he not sit down with McCain like he promised to restrict their activity voluntarily?....He unilaterally deserted campaign caps on his own....he will continue to make negative ads himself spending unlimited funds....

That is NOT CHANGE....it is a power play like all typical politicians make....the 527 charade does not make it ok. You are a poor and uninformed apologist for the savior!

Cee: "I have no problem with McCain changing his position on....."

AHA! It isn't about 'flip-flopping' at all, is it? It's all about what you view as "correct" flip-flopping.
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Cee: "I like my taxes low, especially when I'm paying more for food and energy"

Are you making over a quarter million a year? If not, then what are you worried about? The dirty little secret that republicans never like to admit is that the "Bush Tax cuts" were a gift to the wealthy, and had little to do with average Americans.

One example of successful republican mythology is the so-called "death tax" that they used as a political football for so long. A friend of mine's mother died recently. She owned a very modest house and very few other assets. He and his brother and sister were worried about how they were going to pay the "estate tax" on that house. I told them that the only people who were charged Federal estate "death" taxes were the very wealthy. They didn't believe me until thay checked it out for themselves. They were a victim of the "death Tax" misinformation campaign by the republicans.

Likewise, it's so telling how whenever they talk about 'raising taxes', they ALWAYS leave off the part about how it is targeted alnost entirely at the wealthy. Whats wrong with "the whole truth, and nothing but the truth"?

And finally Cee, I have never figured out why it just doesn't seem to trouble your crowd at all that the deficits are literally mortgaging America's future?

"Who spent more on 527 ads in 2004"

The point isn't who spent more in 2004....the point was who ran the ugliest, most misleading, and (unfortunately), the most effective 527 ad campaign of them all? We all know it was SBVFT, and such vile tactics are now reaping their backlash.

Sorry MikeH....according to what Obama said, he will simply allow the Bush tax cuts expire according to FACTS about where the rates were at pre-Bush, this will mean higer taxes on all tax payers....

"McCain calls for no changes to today’s low rates.

"Obama will revert to the pre-Bush tax cut regime. If you’re single, making $30,000, McCain will tax you $4,500. Obama will extract $8,400 from your wallet -- almost double the take! Single making $50,000: McCain’s tax is $12,500; Obama’s is $14,000. Single making $75,000: McCain’s tax is $18,750. Obama will bite you for $23,250."

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=27025

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I verified this on SNOBamessiah's website....no where does he claim he will not return ALL tax payers to the original rates pre-Bush....He does not say only those making over 250K will see their taxes go up....he only promises some nonsense regarding meager tax credits

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/

And what about the capital gains tax and investments.....

"Again, McCain says he’ll make no changes. The maximum rate will stay at 15%. Obama is all for change. He’ll roll back this tax cut to the pre-Bush rate of 28%, again almost doubling your taxes overnight. This plan is especially cruel to older folks who have planned to sell their bigger homes and count on using this income (after their homeowner’s exclusion) to help fund their retirement. Ouch again, Obama.

"Then there is the dividend tax.

"OK, you’ve been religiously saving over the decades and buying up blue-chip stocks whose dividends you now count on to carry you through your golden years. Or, you have your savings invested in an IRA or retirement plan, mutual fund or life insurance annuity. McCain’s dividend tax won’t change from the maximum rate of 15%. Obama will once again repeal the Bush tax cuts, bumping this tax rate up to 39.6%, an increase of -- hold your wallets -- over 160%. The impact on the middle class, much less our barely-growing economy -- are obvious. Really ouch, Obama!"

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Can you refute these changes? I looked at SNOBamessiah's website I have not found these conclusions refuted by SPECIFIC plans. Why should I not believe this would not happen? Do you have specifics from SNOBamessiah saying this will not happen once Bush's tax policies are reversed?

What about the funding of the healthcare plan he wants....will this not be a new payroll tax that will affect all people?

What about his and other dems plans to RAISE THE SOCIAL SECURITY limit....this will affect the middle class.

And finally, your death tax argument is all nice and good, but there are people who believe that taxing someone TWICE is wrong and I agree....The death tax sould remain zero and it is and the democrats have decided that it is ok to tax people twice. I disagree.

It is a shame that in using the 527's in 2004 as an excuse to forgo mandatory spending limits, SNOBamessiah and his supporters essentially admit it will be open season for negative ads. BTW, the democrats were just as ugly in their 527's in accusing Bush responsible for lynchings in Texas in 2000.

ANd you ignored SNOBamessiah's previous promise to sit down with McCain and AGGRESSIVELY work out a solution to the 527 problems among others to PUBLICALLY FINANCE THE CAMPAIGNS....he broke that pledge and you simply ignore it....how nice!

Cee: Regarding the so-called "death tax", I don't agree that beginning to tax an estate at $2,000,000 is double taxation. You only accept that premise if you also accept the premise that the still very lucky heir was somehow taxed on money they never earned themselves previously.

MikeH, was the income that generated that 2 Million dollar estate taxed?....Were the investments that contributed to that savings and assets liely taxed and if not did the person legally protect those assets from taxation?

It is PUNITIVE and I do not believe in THE GOVERNMENT being in the business of either punishing people for success OR resdistributing money simply to enforce somekind of arbitrary "fairness." Taxes are ONLY for the purpose of running essential services WE THE PEOPLE deem necessary for the common good. Once we start allowing politicians to USE taxes for their own power and influence over us, we have given up some freedom and this is what the founders warned us about.

Leftists see benefits in extra influences of taxation....it is part of their ideology....I am not a leftist hense my position.

Cee, you're wrong again. I just looked at some of my old late 1990s IRS tax booklets, and the tax rates you just quoted for lower income Americans are completely WRONG.

For example, A single person making $30,000 AFTER all deductions and exemptions was taxed $5287, NOT $8400. The tax rates for 2007 for the same income after deductions and exemptions was $4113. Yes, there was SOME difference, but NOT the absurd difference you just posted.

TELL THE TRUTH CEE. We're tired of outright lies and misrepresentations!

That said, we all know that they had to throw the middle class a bone in the process of helping out the very wealthly. But thats ALL they did!

Cee on taxes: "It is punitive...."

No it isn't! It is a simple acknowledgement that someone so fortunate as that be asked to return some small modicum portion of their windfall into the system that made it possible for their success in the first place.

Call that 'punishment' if you wish, but there are plenty of people who fall in that category themselves who are unselfish enough to understand and agree with that very reasonable premise.