As always, way to go, team!

Nice recap.

I watched WPITW at the COUNTDOWN site. Olbermann is not as minimally humorous as he once was, especially with the "joke" about calling "a uh HOLE IN THE JAIL," a design flaw?!? Phew, that fell flat.

And with regards to Krauthammer's assessment of Obama's performance in Berlin....Olbermann seemed a little jealous that the post speech buzz was pretty lame and no one is even mentioning comparisons to Reagan's much more impressive performance that actually had historical implications. Just like the very brief panting over Obama's "race" speech in his feable attempt to defend his once good friend Reverand Wright, the buzz faded very quickly and now I don't think anyone feels the speech was groundbreaking or impressive.

The polls also reflected no improvement in Obama's standing after the Philly speech and the polls now are showing no sustained improvement after the Berlin speech....and, afterall, this is what all of his activity overseas was about.....winning the election.....

The pro-Obama media elite are twisting to make everything SNOBamessiah does be a positive development despite the facts. It is amazing to see his most sychophantic media personality leave any of his personal integrity behind as he turns his show into a 60 minute Obama infomercial....MSNBC should be proud!

And in regards to the VP picks....great!....I hope he picks Biden.....his criticisms of the neophyte and naieve SNOBamessiah early in the primaries will make great fodder in the general election....All three "white bread" possibillities are yawners and will not contribute to any possible excitement the Obama campaigns needs to continue on....I think the polls may just remain in the forties for quite some time.

McCain is right to continue to hammer on Obama's superificiality, inexperience and political ego....I think the polls are showing it is moving quite a few in the electorate away from considering the silliness of "change" over competency. The media will warn that it may be a bad move, but let us all remember who the media wants elected....I say do the opposite of what Olbermann and the rest of the Obamabites say.

McCain needs to pick his VP after Obama picks.

It is such a huge advantage to go last, like being on the button playing Texas Hold'em.

Is it just me...or with the whole "Bill-O" segment he became even more of a parody of himself?

Whoa boy...Dana Milbank will be persona no grata at COUNTDOWN with his latest piece:

President Obama Continues Hectic Victory Tour

"Inside, according to a witness, he told the House members, 'This is the moment . . . that the world is waiting for,' adding: 'I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.'"

http://tinyurl.com/6oz2qe

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I have to say I did enjoy it....SNOBamessiah is looking more and more like HRC did at the beginning of the primaries with her assuming a coronation and not a campaign. Some people just are unable to learn from OTHER'S mistakes.

Plus, other people make such observations or remark about such processes after reflection and TIME, not the person emersed in the situation....In a word.....Arrogant.

VERO POSSUMUS!

Thanks for the link cee, here is another from the KosKidz. It is going to be great seeing Olbermann squirm big time over this. (Milbank's book came out in paperback yesterday....hmmmmm, nice timing on the "president Obama" WaPo piece).

Dana Milbank Is An Idiot
by oxman Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 08:20:15 AM PDT

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/30/101047/688/51/559293

I forgot to say this last night, but I'm pleased to see my "Geno" nickname for Eugene Robinson continues to catch on.

Make room for Chuck Todd under that KO/Kos Kids bus.

From today's First Read http://tinyurl.com/6njebh
scroll down to Chuck Todd for July 30

> Regardless of the context now, this narrative has been ready to explode at some point and even a misreported quote was enough to spark this arrogance watch. Some see him violating the cardinal sin of politics, acting as if this campaign is about him. He needs to remember that he's latching on to the anti-Bush coattails; any Democrat would be up right now. By the way, where are Michelle Obama’s comments about her stinky and snorey husband? He could use the self-deprecation.

Cee" "McCain is right to continue to hammer on Obama's superficially, inexperience, and political ego."

Now let me translate what you are saying here:

1 - You are making excuses for his deciding to go negative.....even though he and his wife are on videotape vowing he would NEVER do that just to win an election.....and EVEN considering that Obama is continuing to run nothing but a positive campaign.

2 - You are endorsing the sordid tactic of dragging your candidate's opponent down to his own low level because that is the only way you, or he, thinks he can win. That way, no matter WHO actually wins, you can be sure that we all end up with a president that nobody really respects or be enthusiastic about.

3 - You have nothing particularly positive to say about the qualifications of your own candidate......only that you allege that his opponent's qualifications are even worse. This attitude manifests itself repeatedly in your assertions that having been a prisoner of war is his primary qualification to be president.....even though it isn't really a qualification at all.

4 - When you choose to attack Obama's alledged "superficiality", you offer nothing to replace it in the form of genuineness from McCain.....especially in light of his many recent flip-flops and pandering, which leaves us with virtually nothing to go on to determine what he REALLY believes.

5 - By attacking Obama's alledged "political ego", you are choosing the tactic of attempting to tear down his recent stellar showing of competency and confidence on his trip and meetings with heads of state........How DARE he act like a president!!!

6 - By choosing to denegrate Obama's 'competence' against all evidence to the contrary, you are choosing to ignor how poorly your chosen candidate in managing his own campaign, and how well Obama is managing his.....as if you REALLY don't think THAT in itself is an indication of competence and leadership.

7 - And finally, by endorsing the false and misleading statements in some of McCain's latest negative ads. you are endorsing dishonesty as a pre-requisite qualification to be presedent of the united states. It's perfectly all right with YOU if McCain is elected on misinformation by the lowest common denominator of the voting public.....just as long as McCain gets elected!

Cee, with 'values' like that on constant display, I continue to wonder what kind of a person YOU really are......and I now have been forced to make the unfortunate conclusion that John McCain is NOT the honorable man that I once gave him credit for being.

MikeH: "... choosing to ignor how poorly your chosen candidate in managing..."

Now, let me translate what you are saying here:

Shakespearee speaks as Yoda, poorly.

"... false and misleading statements in some of McCain's latest negative ads..."

Please, oh pretty please, give me an example of a "false" statement in a McCain ad. Pleeeeease!

Oh my, MikeH is the well prepared SNOBamessiah follower with evangelism tract points ready to go. I see numbers 1-7 everywhere I look and I have the same response......nice try, no dice.....

And an increasing number of Americans are becoming skeptical of the savior as shown by both Rasmussen and Gallup.....His try to make himself seem invincible, inevitable and untouchable is only creating an air of arrogance, pretention and elitism in the minds of normal work-a-day Americans.

And the lie about Obama running a positive campaign, the liar MikeH says, "Obama is continuing to run nothing but a positive campaign."
....oh my what a whopper.....

The following link shows a little ditty that was released July 8th, (before McCain started to discuss Obama's poor record), and was the continuing negative salvo SNOBamessiah initiated in his stump speeches going negative on McCain along with his surrogates like Clark, Harkin and Rockefeller besmurching the former POW's service to our country.....

http://tinyurl.com/6o5zv6

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So again, MikeH is lying. But this is typical of the fanatical followers of the chosen one.

I have seen so many diverse followers of SNOBamessiah that I am encouraged to report that even the violent gang-bangers have joined the radical anti-American left in supporting him.....

http://tinyurl.com/6ctrb5

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Yes, Ludacris shows the real motivation the majority of SNOBamessiah followers have, like our lovely MikeH, for having the radical as our executive along with unstoppable majorities of his party in control of Congress....revenge on all those evil people that are responsible for all of the problems in the world! Ooooo, scary, NEOCONS! My favorite line of the rapper's endorcement is:

"Paint the White House black and I'm sure that's got 'em terrified,

"McCain don't belong in any chair unless he's paralyzed."

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Mmmm, the smell of racism in the morning, just like in the democrat primary....Nice. What a positive, unifying trend we are seeing this election season thanks to SNOBamessiah!

And so far, McCain's allegations against the savior have been true, no evidence has been presented to show one lie. But again, the liars that follow the savior will have a much different interpretation.

VERO POSSUMUS!

Oh and I forgot one more point for the deceived and deceiver SNOBamessiah fanatic, MikeH....Can you substantiate your guru's latest claim, from a stump speech yesterday, with actual evidence from what McCain and his campaign has presented so far?......

"What they’re saying is 'Well, we know we’re not very good but you can’t risk electing Obama. You know, he’s new, he doesn’t look like the other presidents on the currency, he’s a got a funny name.'"

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Who is REALLY going negative, even injecting race into the general election season? Who is REALLY attempting to persuade people using a low, common denominator, racism, as a strawman? Who is REALLY bringing down the positive tone of this campaign and not concentrating on the issues and challenges facing our country? Who is REALLY putting the spot light on the superficial differences like skin color and ethnicity?

Please, if you claim it is Senator McCain or his surrogates, SHOW ME THE EVIDENCE.

VERO POSSUMUS!

Oh wait, I missed another falacy of MikeH....The absurdity of #5 cannot go unchallenged with recent events.....

"By attacking Obama's alledged 'political ego', you are choosing the tactic of attempting to tear down his recent stellar showing of competency and confidence on his trip and meetings with heads of state........How DARE he act like a president!!!"

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So, to the fanatics, poking fun and even critiquing a candidate's prentention is off limits! Oh my, what country do I live in?

Sorry, MikeH, get a thicker skin because even the comics are starting to take notice of SNOBamessiah's arrogance.....

"It wasn’t until the last week, however, that the narrative of Obama as a president-in-waiting – and perhaps getting impatient in that waiting -began reverberating beyond the e-mail inboxes of Washington operatives and journalists.

"Perhaps one of the clearest indications emerged Tuesday from the world of late-night comedy, when David Letterman offered his 'Top Ten Signs Barack Obama is Overconfident.' The examples included Obama proposing to change the name of Oklahoma to 'Oklobama,' and measuring his head for Mount Rushmore."

[...]

"Jon Stewart teased that the presumptive Democratic nominee traveled to Israel to visit his birthplace at Bethlehem’s Manger Square. New York Times columnist Maureen Dowd amplified the McCain campaign’s private nickname for Obama ('The One')."

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0708/12205.html

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So dear MikeH and all of the other blind followers of the "O," take a deep breath and remember, this is a POLITICAL CAMPAIGN, not a religious cult. Politicians are supposed to use rational, sane arguments to EARN people's votes....not just rely on revival style antics and camera angles of large crowds to make it all seem like an alternate reality.....OBAMA IS ALREADY PRESIDENT! OBAMA IS ALREADY PRESIDENT!

And when comics are willing to poke fun at a politician's pretentious attitude, I think there is something going on there.....I think it is time Obama leave the "I am a mirror for others to reflect their hopes upon" silliness for a real and tangable persona....This is an executive office....not just an untouchable pulpit.

VERO POSSUMUS!

The problem with your 8:29 AM 'analysis' Cee, is that you and people like you were busily questioning whether Obama is "ready" for the big time before his trip.....but now that he has shown that he is, you now rag him for being too presumptuous. The bottom line is that there is NO WAY he could ever win over someone with your mindset. You are simply looking for any opening in which to pounce.

And now regarding your 8:17 AM 'point'; you have to really SSTTRREETTCCHH to read "racism" into Obama's very good, and yes, HUMOROUS defenses against all those rather absurd personal attacks against him for being different.....The idea of electing someone DIFFERENT sounds awfully damned good to ME right now!

Cee: "Please, oh pretty please, give me an example of a false statement in an Obama campaign ad": well, just off the top of my head, how about his claim that Obama didn't visit the troops because 'he wasn't allowed to take his campaign camera's'......Don't even try to defend that one because we both know it's a lie, and that he never intended to treat that visit as a photo op. Even McCain's own campaign staff had to retract that one on their web site. There are many more distortions and the media has been documenting them daily.

What you are missing in all of this and hopefully the American people are not, is that McCain has so little to talk positive about regarding himself, that he thinks his only road to victory is to try to poisen people's minds against his honorable and supremely competent opponent.

And Cee, I'm glad you referenced Wesley Calrk's so-called "negative" comment about McCain's war record.....What a crok of s**t THAT was:

All Clark did was comment that an honorable POW record didn't qualifiy him to be president. Not only that, he didn't bring it up himself......he did it in RESPONSE to a question implying that it somehow did.

There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with asserting that having been a POW would not in itself qualify ANYONE to be POTUS in response to a question implying that it did....and Clark definitely took an unfair hit on that one!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49hC9TpP_rY

Mmm, I do not see a lie in the ad. There is no evidence of why Obama cancelled the trip. Like the McCain campaign has stated, there have been different reasons given by the campaign on different days....How are we supposed to know what the truth is? Please MikeH, show me the EVIDENCE that thinking the lack of a photo-op at the base did not lead Obama to skip the visit.....You can't. I will be glad to interpret the actions of Obama (judge) on my own, especially given his style of campaigning that has every movement recorded and put out on the internet for fundraising purposes.

And again, you lie.....Obama's dollar bill crack was a pull on the racism heart-strings as shown by an identical quote with the real thoughts behind them JUST THIS PAST JUNE in Jacksonville.....

"We know what kind of campaign they're going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young and inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And did I mention he's black?"

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So MikeH....SNOBamessiah has been going negative well before the honorable McCain did, even using the race card against all those bad republicans, including McCain, back in June!....And now he is trying it again.....What a positive campaign Obama is running!

"Obama is continuing to run nothing but a positive campaign." MikeH

Lie.

And in regards to looking Presidential, it has failed. Poll after poll has shown a majority of people did not think the trip helped his image AND his poll numbers have been falling since the trip to now the gallup daily is 45/44....Nine points evaporated in Berlin!

I think the American people want a real, competent and approachable person in The White House. One who spends hours in townhall meetings across the land instead of huge, impersonal rallies staged and filmed for effect. It is only July and the theatrics are starting to be old and tired....just think what the interest in such stupditiy will be during the conventions?

McCain is accurate, smart and sly with his current tact and those pundits worrying about it should look at the polls and see it is working. The twin strategy of personal, face to face meetings with the positive campaign about himself in townhall meetings, local press coverage, grass roots....combined with national ads that tweak the opposition on their superficiality, lack of experience and radical agenda that will make our economic and energy crisis worse (and FREE coverage BTW)....will make this a competative race.....DAVID vs. GOLIATH!

VERO POSSUMUS!

'he wasn't allowed to take his campaign camera's'

mikeh, even obama admitted it was true. Read much? Oh, that's right. Olbermann never told you or mentioned it.

BTW, MikeH....IF Obama had visited the troops by himself, there would have never been an issue. He made the poor decision based on who know's what logic. Basically, like McCain has said consistently, if Obama wanted to visit the injured troops, he could have without his poltical advisors and the press taking pictures for his next fundraising e-mail......

SNOBamessiah decided not to and worked out in the hotel gym instead....Why, MikeH?....And do you have evidence of the why?

Oooo, and lookie here....more about Landstuhl.....

"'Last week, Senator Obama skipped a visit with wounded U.S. troops at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany because the Pentagon would not allow campaign staff or media to accompany him into the hospital,' reads a statement from a former Landstuhl surgeon, Col. Danny Jazarevic, and circulated by McCain's camp."

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So it seems I can still, "defend that one" because we both DON'T know it's a lie. It seems some former military surgeon thinks the same about SNOBamessih as I do.....What do you know?

Got that evidence yet, MikeH?

cool....here's the entire staement from this distinguished member of the military......

"Last week, Senator Obama skipped a visit with wounded U.S. troops at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center in Germany because the Pentagon would not allow campaign staff or media to accompany him into the hospital. I served as director of trauma surgery at that hospital for nearly four years and saw the effect that a visit from a celebrity like Senator Obama could have on morale. During that time, I do not recall a single member of Congress canceling a visit with the troops despite being just a few hours away, but Senator Obama seems to have been more concerned with how the visit would affect him than how it would affect the soldiers recovering from wounds received in the service of their country."

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Mmmm, soldiers' morale versus how this will affect my political standing? What was going on in SNOBamessiah's smart little cerebrum?.....Mmmmmm.....

VERO POSSUMUS!

Cee: "got that evidence yet, MikeH?"

We both know that evidence means absolutely NOTHING to you. Three weeks ago I caught you red handed posting a lie about middle income tax rates.....I proved you 100% WRONG using indesputable evidence that would have passed ANY courtroom test of reasonable doubt.....yet you STILL denied and evaded the issue.

The fact is that you and your now dishonorable candidate have abandoned all reasonable standards of ethical conduct by deciding that it's OK to try to win an election by trying to tear down the opposition with race baiting and other despicable tactics.....Just as YOU seem to think it is perfectly OK to try to scare middle income voters by posting false tax information.

I think these gutter tactics will backfire this time.....but maybe I have too much faith in the intelligence and goodness of the American people.

Cee: "cool....here's the entire staement from the distinquished member of the military....."

You have a sordid history on this blog of picking and choosing who's "statement" you choose to honor, and deciding who is "distinquished" or not based on whether you personally agree with them or not.

The conversation at hand was about distortions the distortions and inaccuracies that McCain's political ad charged......and NOT about what some selected Colonel's personal opinion about the cancellation was.

Oh, I see where you got that statement from Cee....you got it directly from the dishonorable Mr. McCain's campaign.

By MikeH on July 31, 2008 7:57 PM
Cee: "got that evidence yet, MikeH?"

Translation of his diversionay post.....nope!

I see we have our daily lie, also. You said you would never and have disrespected a war hero. See 8:14 for proof. WOW! Do you have pictures of obama on the backs of your partisan goggles so when you look out you see only him?

"After speaking with Gration, the campaign decided to cancel the trip. Gibbs said Obama is "comfortable with the decision" because he did not want to make the troops part of a campaign event."

from cnn

"Gibbs's statement said the hospital visit, which had been on the internal schedule for several weeks, was canceled because Obama decided it would be inappropriate to go there as part of a trip paid for by his campaign. Gration said the Pentagon had told the campaign that the visit would be seen as a political trip.

Those two statements, while not inconsistent, did not clarify whether the visit was canceled in reaction to Pentagon concerns or because of worries about appearances. They also opened Obama's camp to charges that it was offering slightly different reasons at different times."

washpo

Correction:

I see we have our daily lie, also.

You said you would never and have never disrespected a war hero. Specifically, John McCain. See 8:14 for proof.

WOW! Do you have pictures of obama on the backs of your partisan goggles so when you look out you see only him?

Olby sucks: "You said you would never an have disrespected a war hero."

Oh, I see how you think!......A "war hero" can do or say whatever he pleases......he can lie, he can cheat, he could even commit murder as far as you are concerned, whatever......but we're not allowed to say anything about it because he was once a "war hero"

Any reasonable person would conclude that I said I would never disrespect the SERVICE of a war hero, and I wouldn't.....but everyone knows that YOU are anything but a reasonable person.

WOW! Do you have pictures of obama on the backs of your partisan goggles so when you look out you see only him?"

No.......But I know beyond the shadow of a doubt that if America misses this golden opportunity to move forward as a nation, and chooses to step backwards instead........then we will REALLY be up the creek.

No proof? Shocker!

Cee, don't forget to pump up your tires before work, tomorrow.

Any reasonable person would conclude that I said I would never disrespect the SERVICE of a war hero, and I wouldn't.....but everyone knows that YOU are anything but a reasonable person.

by mikeh

Oh, I see where you got that statement from Cee....you got it directly from the dishonorable Mr. McCain's campaign.

by mikeh

So, lets review MikeH's lies....

#1 Lie...OBAMA was the first to begin with the negative ads against John McCain with his attack on McCain regarding gas prices and has been attacking him himself, or via his surrogates, ever since. McCain has finally responded in kind. THis is the Chicago style fight Obama talked about himself about they bring a knife.....you bring a gun.....well McCain has agreed to the terms.....HOPE! CHANGE! UNITY!

#2 Lie...The McCain campaign, and I agree, needs to inform the American people regarding the truth of the manufactured candidate SNOBamessiah and, just like the left did with W and the right did to Gore and Kerry in 2000 and 2004, has every right to be critical, humorous and/or biting in the process. This is politics....GROW UP! No matter who wins, there will always be disagreement and this is healthy for our democracy.

#3 Lie...I have always agreed with John McCain in regards to the Iraq War as a struggle against the forces of totalitarianism, as was Vietnam, his record on the wider war on terror, his views on life and judicial nominee philosophies. I am glad to see him moderate his liberal views regarding taxes and OCS drilling. The remainder of his ideology I have differences, however he has always shown himself to be a respectful man to both leftist and conservative and as a centrist, I believe he would be willing to listen to my side of the argument and judge it fairly. SNOBamessiah is a radical leftist who is pro-Abortion, cowardly when it came to taking a stand on the Iraq War when it counted, very weak in confronting terrorism, would support judges that would strike down the second amendment, the death penalty and many other basic constitutional ideals that should only be amended by the system constructed and is VERY wrong on the economy....he is basically a socialist prepared to institute a very leftist and old brand of "economic justice" that will destroy our way of life and perhaps even imperil our security. Combined with a rubber stamp democrat congress, there will be no check on his policies.

#4 Lie...John McCain has been holding town hall meetings while the lord Obama has been jetsetting. He always is specific, answers people's questions and is very personal in these exchanges. MikeH does not realize that McCain is doing exactly what won him the Republican nomination...a two pronged strategy of local, battleground state work (a very hectic schedule that has him meeting with the electorate and local press) and then (because this is a national, media driven process as well) he does national ad stuff that garners him the attention the national media demands he get in order to remain competitive. His issue ads, both character issues and policy issues, have been successful these past two weeks in getting notice nationally so the press does not simply coronate SNOBamessiah based on popularity and image. The polls reflect the tightening and I believe a trend that, if sustained, could have McCain tied with Obama through the conventions.

#5 , #6, #7....all debunked above. McCain was accurate in condemning Obama's political motives in avoiding the troop visit and was right with regards to the race baiting...it goes back to the democrat primary and Obama should be ashamed of himself. McCain has not made ONE racial or ethnic attack on Obama and it is wrong to make such a potent charge with no examples. Normal Americans do not want more racial division and hatred in our already divided country and Obama (along with Ludacris, Wright, Pfleger and the rest) should apologize for their hatred and distortions.

So MikeH....along with the discussion of the tax increases that will occur under Obama's trillion dollar spending increase plan that I was correct to point out before, I again show how ill informed and brainwashed you have become as a fanatical SNOBamessiah cult member.....VERO POSSUMUS!

Mr. Obama also created a problem by canceling a visit to U.S. soldiers who were wounded in Iraq and are now recuperating at Landstuhl hospital in Germany. His campaign has offered a welter of explanations. What's the real one? My rule is that when in doubt, see what a candidate said at the time and judge his candor. In a July 26 London news conference, Mr. Obama explained: "I was going to be accompanied by one of my advisers, a former military officer. And we got notice that he would be treated as a campaign person, and it would therefore be perceived as political because he had endorsed my candidacy, but he wasn't on the Senate staff."

The solution was obvious. Leave the campaign adviser behind and visit the wounded troops. Mr. Obama's decision to work out in the hotel gym instead adds to his growing reputation for arrogance.

The Architect

OLby Sucks, if you weren't the blithering idiot that you obviously are, it would be clear to you that I am calling McCain dishonorable because he has now chosen to run a dishorable negative campaign and my use of the word "dishonable" had nothing to do with his service.

But unfortunately you have proven yourself to be nothing more than a blithering idiot more times than I can count on this blog.

Lookit Cee go at 9:34 PM....Substituting his personal partisan opinions for truth as usual!

Meanwhile, in reference to his last sentence in that post still avoiding the FACT that he posted a LIE about middle income tax rates that was indisputably disproven......by returning to his red herring that his "LARGER" point someone justified his posting an outright LIE concerning the actual numbers!

As I've already pointed out, Cee has already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that truth means nothing to you, and therefore NOTHING you post or say going forward can be given ANY credibility.

But unfortunately you have proven yourself to be nothing more than a blithering idiot more times than I can count on this blog.

by mikeh

Just our daily dose of hypocrisy. "Tough guy behind your keyboard." by mikeh

9:58, translation: can't refute a single word so he'll bring up the same little pathetic "lie" that was nothing more than a slight difference in dollar amounts. Your desperation is showing, again!

mikeh, avoid 8:47 and 9:38 like the plague, ok? Also, where's your refuting evidence? Can't find it?

Mike,

It is a contemptable lie to assert that McCain has engaged in "race baiting".

It is totally appropriate for any candidate for elective office to tell the voters why they should not vote for the opponent. But it seems that the leftist media calls any criticism by a Republican for a Democrat to be "going negative". It's almost as if the MSM were a bunch of Democrats themselves. Well, they are!

But you have my blessing to continue to fall for the Obamessiah's unending stream of vapid inanities.

It is amazing that MikeH calls me a liar after he said, "Obama is continuing to run nothing but a positive campaign."

Playing the victim is part of the cult, I know, but come on now. The followers should not expect the rest of us to ignore the truth.

VERO POSSUMUS!

By MikeH on July 31, 2008 5:04 AM : ".... the FALSE and misleading statements in some of McCain's latest negative ads...." (emphasis mine)

By me, not Cee, on July 31, 2008 6:08 AM: "Please, oh pretty please, give me an example of a "false" statement in a McCain ad. Pleeeeease!"

By MikeH on July 31, 2008 2:46 PM
The problem with your 8:29 AM 'analysis' Cee, is that you and PEOPLE LIKE YOU were busily questioning whether Obama is "ready" for the big time before his trip.....but now that he has shown that he is, you now rag him for being too presumptuous. The bottom line is that there is NO WAY he could ever win over someone with your mindset. You are simply looking for any opening in which to pounce.
[FIX--The bottom line is that there is NO WAY -someone with Obama's mindset could ever win you over. I'm simply looking for any opening to pounce.--FIXED]

And now regarding your 8:17 AM 'point'; you have to really SSTTRREETTCCHH to read "racism" into Obama's very good, and yes, HUMOROUS defenses against all those rather absurd personal attacks against him for being different [MH, BY WHOM??? MCCAIN??? HIS CAMPAIGN???].....The idea of electing someone DIFFERENT sounds awfully damned good to ME right now!

Cee: "Please, oh pretty please, give me an example of a false statement in an Obama (sic) [YOU SAID IT, NOT ME] campaign ad": well, just off the top of my head, how about his claim that Obama didn't visit the troops because 'he wasn't allowed to take his campaign camera's' [MCCAIN'S AD NEVER SAID "because"]......Don't even try to defend that one because we both know it's [YOUR CLAIM THAT THE MCCAIN CAMPAIGN SAID THAT] a lie, and that he never intended to treat that visit as a photo op. Even McCain's own campaign staff had to retract that one on their web site. There are many more distortions and the media has been documenting them daily. [I ASKED FOR 'FALSE'-STILL WAITING]

By MikeH on July 31, 2008 2:56 PM
And Cee, I'm glad you referenced Wesley Calrk's so-called "negative" comment about McCain's war record.....What a crok of s**t THAT was:

Gen Wesley Clark (Ret)-"The President's new so-called plan (surge) for Iraq amounts to nothing more than 'Stay the Course,' a futile exercise akin to rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gen-wesley-clark/taking-on-the-escalation-_b_39898.html

So much for Clark's judgment.

Mike, I really would like to see a 'FALSE' ad by McCain. Really!

ramjet: "Mike, I really would like to see a 'FALSE' as by McCain. Really!"

Well Ramjet, Apparently you are perfectly comfortable with McCain and his surrogate's recent avalanche of negative distortions of Obama's statements and positions that have even stooped to using celebrity airheads and rap artists in a never ending attempt to imply guilt by associations that don't exist.

We can continue to argue Clintonian explanations of the definition of a lie all you want, but I am positive that both you AND Cee know exactly what I am talking about.

I especially liked the feigned "outrage" by McCain and his campaign for Obama's benign and truthfull remark that "he doesn't look like all the other presidents on the dollar bills".....This was nothing other than a justified DEFENSE against the shameless mud that continues to fly his way from both McCain and his 527 surrogates.

And Ramjet, It didn't escape my notice how you responded to my comment about how NON-CANDIDATE Wesley Clark's remark that 'being a prisoner of war does not quaiify someone to be president' was anything BUT an "attack" on McCain's service.....by changing the subject to something Clark said two years ago about the surge. What exactly did statement "A" have to do with statement "B" in your mind?
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Forgive me if I fanticized a campaign in which the candidates stuck to issues while accentuating their own positives....instead of inventing negatives about the opposition.

McCain promised better than this, and you can pretend all you want that you don't know what I am talking about......but I think you do!

Rico: "It is appropriate for any candidate to tell the voting public why they should not vote for the opponent, but it seems the leftist media calls any criticism by a Republican for a Democrat to be "going negative."

Like it or not Rico, the phrase "going negative" is a very ACCURATE description of ANY campaign strategy designed to drag your opponent down by accentuating and focusing on his or her perceived negatives, rather than accentuating their own positives. The problem with such a strategy is that once the mudfight is over....NOBODY really feels good about anybody anymore......And THAT is exactly why it is called "negative".

But McCain is actually going further than that when he chooses to use images of nonexistant associations with the likes of Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears to try to turn a very hard won positive image into a negative one. That is but ONE example of his recent flurry of virtual trash he has thrown out there disquised as campaign ads.

Go on, Pretend you don't know what I'm talking about....but I think you DO!

To eleborate a little further Rico.......If Obama were to suddenly start running political ads using quotes of Alzheimer's patients alongside archive quotes of McCain confusing Sunni with Shia within a rest home environment.......He would become guilty of doing roughly the SAME thing that McCain is doing now.

And yes Rico, I am confident that the so-called "leftist" media would then say he was also "going negative".

By MikeH on August 2, 2008 4:54 PM

To eleborate a little further Rico.......If Obama were to suddenly start running political ads using quotes of Alzheimer's patients alongside archive quotes of McCain confusing Sunni with Shia within a rest home environment.......He would become guilty of doing roughly the SAME thing that McCain is doing now.

And yes Rico, I am confident that the so-called "leftist" media would then say he was also "going negative".

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How so? McCain may have made some gaffe's but so has Obama, however, there's no equal comparison between McCain's experience and Obama's, and that's not even addressing the tough decisions McCain made as a POW before he entered politics. McCain's reputation has long been that he is his own man who obeys the dictates of his own intellect and conscience. His temper has been in question, but his age or mental acumen was never an issue before this presidential race.

Obama is 45 years old and is in his first term in the senate.

You may not appreciate or agree with the comparison between Obama and those celebutantes with few accomplishments and seemingly little talent other than audience appeal, but to argue that linking McCain with dementia is on the same level as making a ironical point that Obama has little experience and no significant accomplishments, is ridiculous.

BTW-- where now are the folks who pull their hair out over the injustices of media nepotism (when it comes to the female love interest of a man) since Tim Russert's new college graduate son, Luke Russert, is now part of NBC election coverage?

How did that whore get the job, folks?...

Hello Cecelia:

Whatever you say......I will agree to disagree on your belief that McCain possesses superior qualifications to be POTUS......But Rico's point seemed to be that it is perfectly OK for any candidate to point out any perceived liability of their opponent.

So with Rico's logic in mind, it would be perfectly legitimate for Obama to go after McCain on the age issue because this COULD have very real ramifications....but he hasn't so far....and I respect him for his decision to use restraint about it. That said, it would be nice if McCain would consider using a little more ethically based restraint himself.

Consider how nasty this COULD become if both sides abandoned all restraint.

So with Rico's logic in mind, it would be perfectly legitimate for Obama to go after McCain on the age issue because this COULD have very real ramifications....but he hasn't so far....and I respect him for his decision to use restraint about it. That said, it would be nice if McCain would consider using a little more ethically based restraint himself.

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Well, that's not what you said. You said that Obama linking McCain to dementia "is roughly the same thing" as McCain highlighting Obama's inexperience or lack of accomplishments as compared to other presidential candidates who have many years in national office, or have governed states, or worked in presidential administrations.

The two charges do not carry an equivalent amount of coinage at all. They are not even equivalent on a 'cheap shot' or 'low blow scale'.

It's quite different to point out someone lack of accomplishments or even a lack of talent, from suggesting that they are senile or demented.

Mike,

Speaking of Alzheimers, was it not the Obamessiah who spoke of the "57 states I have been to", and "the bomb that was dropped on Pearl Harbor"? And he also spoke of "Israel's support for Israel". Maybe your boy has the Alzheimers.

Speaking of your boy, the one who brings hope to the multitides, and never doubts himself(sounds kind of stubborn and rigid, does it not?) sure stammers a lot when asked uncomfortable questions, even those asked by fellow leftists.

Mike,

But I always enjoy hearing your, as JD$ would say, "Olbylogic".

"It's quite different to point out someone lack of accomplishments or even a lack of talent, from suggesting that they are senile or demented."

First off, such a suggestion could simply be intended to remind people of the high POTENTIAL of one's developing dementia after the age of 71, not an accusation of it already being the case.

That said, comparing the accomplishments of a US Senator, who has attained some very real and undeniable achievements, such as the President of the Harvard Law Review, and the presidential nominee of a major political party, to those of a teenage rock star and a hotel heiress, both of whom are both generally regarded as airhead screw ups......is EVERY bit as unfair as attacking John McCain's age would be.

I happen to regard the kind of achievements that this man has attained at a relatively early age as proof in itself of his competence along with an awesome potential. As for the overated and equally overused "experience" question; In my view, there is NO job experience that really qualifies someone for the job of president.

When you berate his "talent", that is where you REALLY start to lose me. I see awesome talent just as a public speaker and statesman alone.....and one cannot underestimate how this potential can be used for the betterment and unification of America if properly applied within a presidential bully pulpit format.

Rico: "sure stammers a lot when asked uncomfortable questions"

What you are calling 'stammering' is what I call "thinking on your feet" to avoid blurting out verbal gaffes. Only a fool would blurt out canned answers to thought provoking questions.


That siad Rico, you seem to be confusing making simple verbal gaffes by Obama, who clearly knows better in every case that you cited, and which is something everyone is guilty of doing from time to time......to what appears to be a pattern of very real confusion as to just who our enemies are, who they are aligned with, and who they are not aligned with.

When you berate his "talent", that is where you REALLY start to lose me. I see awesome talent just as a public speaker and statesman alone.....and one cannot underestimate how this potential can be used for the betterment and unification of America if properly applied within a presidential bully pulpit format.
By MikeH on August 2, 2008
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Well, if you think berating his talent consists of merely starting facts, that Obama does not have the sort of experience we traditionally see in presidential candidates, then you're only revealing that you're even less capable of making a logical analysis of this issue that I'd supposed.

You can make other arguments that Obama certainly has qualities for the job (I can think of several that are more persuasive the "head of the Harvard Law Review" one you issued... but that's beside the point...).

The point is that Obama's level experience differs from what has been the norm. The next point is that McCain has tremendous personal and professional experience and there's no indication that he has dementia. There is NOT a HIGH incidence of people of a certain age succumbing to Alzheimer's, there is a HIGHER incidence of it than other age groups. That fact is quite different from what you have argued. Please remember that dementia is quite different from the slowing down process that comes with age-- and even that isn't across the board, as Ben Franklin and my late grandmother would illustrate...

To argue that McCain calling attention in a satirical way to his (McCain's) proposition that Obama is an inexperienced flash-in-pan (McCAIN'S ARGUMENT-- lest I "lose" you...) because his credentials are objectively less meaty than most candidates (certainly less meaty than McCain's) is the same as if Obama accused McCain of being mentally impaired is illogical at best. You might as well argue that it's the same as Obama accusing McCain of having heart disease because there's a higher incidence of that in men over 50 as well.

If you're going to embrace THAT logic you'd better thank your lucky stars that Obama isn't running against a white male under 60. The difference in the rates of hypertension, diabetes, incidences of stroke, and prostate cancer are quite astounding. And THAT would be a campaign commercial you could draw a comparison with...

MikeH: "I especially liked the feigned "outrage" by McCain and his campaign for Obama's benign and truthfull remark that "he doesn't look like all the other presidents on the dollar bills".....This was nothing other than a justified DEFENSE against the shameless mud that continues to fly his way from both McCain and his 527 surrogates.

Sen. Obama July 30th, 2008:

"So nobody really thinks that...that Bush or McCain had a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they're gonna try to do is make you scared, of me! 'Ya know, he's not patriotic enough, he's got a funny name...he, ya know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills."

This is an accusation against McCain and his campaign that because he doesn't have a "real answer," he is going to try and scare voters by injecting race, i.e.; Obama is not white.

For God's sake, is there anyone in the US who DOES NOT KNOW what Obama looks like?

Criticize 527s, criticize kooky right wingers, criticize people who bring up his race, but DO NOT imply your opponent is using race, or is "gonna" use race, to gain an advantage in the campaign when the opponent has not, is not and would not do that. It was a political mistake by Obama, it will hurt his campaign and if you don't believe me, see if he does it again.

Also, "Well Ramjet, Apparently you are perfectly comfortable with McCain and his surrogate's recent avalanche of negative distortions of Obama's statements and positions that have even stooped to using celebrity airheads and rap artists in a never ending attempt to imply guilt by associations that don't exist."

Listen up Mike H. You are so far off base on your assesment of me, if I knew you personally, we would be having a serious conversation. As it is, in the future, please do not put words in my mouth, assign beliefs to me that I have not expressed or imply that I am something I'm not. You sound like Obama talking about McCain.

A comparison to image, not substance celebrities IS NOT AN IMPLICATION OF GUILT BY ASSOCIATION. It is a comparison

Cee, that was a first class link to Dana Milbank at the WaPo. I absolutely loved this line from it:

"On his presidential-style visit to the Western Wall in Jerusalem last week, Obama left a written prayer, intercepted by an Israeli newspaper, asking God to "help me guard against pride and despair." He seems to have the despair part under control, but the pride could be a problem."

Who would have thought that Milbank could ever be so perceptive?

KO-a-go-go, I loved your link too. My fave comment from it:

"Keith should have him on one more time (2+ / 0-)

so that he can nail him to the wall on this glaring example of fact-free journalism.

by gramofsam1 on Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 09:23:15 AM PDT"

How many does that make now that the Koz Kidz are demanding never darken KO's door step again?

ramjet, if you're going to converse with mikeh, get used to having words put in your mouth.....and getting selective responses.

Cee, with all your many glaring faults that Mike has so tediously and continuously catalogued I was shocked to see that you have one more very griveous one that I never thought could be attributed to you. As Mike said:

"Cee, with 'values' like that on constant display, I continue to wonder what kind of a person YOU really are......and I now have been forced to make the unfortunate conclusion that John McCain is NOT the honorable man that I once gave him credit for being. "

You alone have "FORCED" Mike to conclude that "John McCain is NOT the honorable man that I once gave him credit for being. "

I hope you are properly shamed for so dastardly FORCING Mike to lose his innocence and topple John mcCain from his list of honorable men. I wept when I read that you had by yourself turned Mike's admiration to disillusionment.

Grammie,

I was hoping for that title. Darn, beat out by a Cee!.

OS,

Thanks, but no thanks. I refuse to "get used to" being treated in that manner, which I do not and will not treat others, just because someone is suffering from the pains of growing up. Besides, I asked nicely:-)

I don't think one would have to "feign outrage" over being accused of fomenting racial divisiveness.

I doubt MikeH. would take kindly to an accusation that he wanted to marginalize a black candidate and play to some innate bias in the public by highlighting this man's race as being different from his white predecessors.

Mike,

So stammering is a feature, not a bug? LOL.

So Olbermann attacks Wal-Mart and Katy Tur does a "report" on Wal-Mart. Is Keith feeding Katy her stories now or is Katy giving Olbermann his stories?

I see MikeH is up to his old tricks again. He butchers Obamanation's quote so as not to show Obamanation accusing the McCain camp of being racist. MikeH is coming to the realization the his beloved Obamanation falls back into race hustler mode when he can't win on the issues. Not everyone is a mindless Olbermann zombie. We can read what Obamanation actually says.

Poor poor MikeH, so enthralled with SNOBamessiah, like many of the cult, no negative characterizations are allowed....Well I got some more....

When the pimp's in the crib ma
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
Drop it like it's hot
When the pigs try to get at ya
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
Park it like it's hot
And if a (N-WORD) get a attitude
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot
Pop it like it's hot

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=142173

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We have a wonderful candidate who allows his 3 year old daughter to listen to this unifying, encouraging, nurturing little ditty...I am SO impressed with this additional example of what is really under the surface of the smiling, eloquent and "perfect" image, and what is behind the words of the repeated mantra of change and hope....

I wonder what word the innocent child replaced the n-word with?

VERO POSSUMUS!

Cee,

I always appreciated some remarks Bill O'Reilly once made on this subject.

O'Reilly pointed out that writers at the New York Times will review this crap like it's Shakespeare, and then write that a movie on the life of Christ is dangerous.

After listening all last week to the hip hop artist Ludacris being described as a talent, you just wonder if our entire culture isn't composed of emperors wearing no clothes.

Factor: "MikeH is coming to the realization the his beloved Obamanation falls back onto the race hustler mode when he can't win on the issues."

Lets get one thing straight Factor......Someone as fanatically right wing and closed minded as YOU would never have a CLUE what someone like me "is coming to the realization of", or why.

After all....YOU are the one who:
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- Spoke of Social Security as a 'welfare program' and advocated it's abolishment.

- Routinely insults blogging opponents with monikers such as morons", "idiots", along with my favorite one of all....."cowards"..... for having done nothing wrong other than to dare to respectfully disagree with your ultra fanatical worldview.

Try as you might to marginalize Obama as being the ONLY way in which to get your own far-from-perfect candidate elected, those such as yourself succeed only in driving those such as myself further into the ranks of the opposition.

Grammie: "You alone "FORCED" MikeH to conclude that John McCain is NOT the honorable man that I once gave him credit for being."

Grammie, when I see such twisted and blantantly incorrect interpretations of what I supposedly said or what you think I meant, it lends humor to the premise that YOU are supposedly one of the "clear thinkers".

So in your right wing mind, taking two only vaguely related statements within a single paragraph, and then taking the liberty of marrying them to conclude I meant something I didn't say or mean.....is your idea of logical thinking?

1 - First off, it is a fallacy to conclude from anything I have ever written that Cee would be capable of "FORCING" me to do anything.

2 - It is another fallacy on your part to conclude that simply because I don't think much of Cee as a human being, that must also be the reason that I have lost respect for John McCain.

3 - It was totally illogical of you to take statement "A", and then combine it with statement "B" to conclude that Cee "alone forced" me into such a realization.

4 - YOU alone took the liberty of making such an inference that was never stated or even implied.

5 - It's as if you deem it impossible that one could personally dislike a partisan surrogate such as Cee without also concluding that any subsequent conclusion about the candidate that he hacks for is despicable as well?

6 - It's as if you find it improbable that I might have come upon my newfound disrespect for John McCain's ethics based solely on his recent decisions to go negative, despite vowing never to do so, or his relatively recent flip flops and pandering to his base on the very positions I once respected him for taking a maverick position on.....and EVEN though I had already previously stated all of this in this blog......and EVEN though in reality, this conclusion had no relationship to the political hack I just happened to be communicating with at the time?

Trust me Janet, illogical interpretations like you made on August 3 @ 2:36 AM expose you as anything but a "clear thinker"......and rest assured that I came on my dislike for John McCain based entirely on the actions of John......and Cee had nothing to do with it.

But I do continue to find your occasional examples of convoluted logic enlightening and rather amusing. They tend to help illustrate on which side most of the REAL "clear thinkers" reside!

Touche', mikeh!