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    Olbermann Watch, "persecuting" Keith since 2004


    October 16, 2008
    Challenge to Keith: Man Up! (Thursday Recappers Thread)

    Bathtub Boy

    This is a special recappers' comment thread for Countdown, October 16 2008. After Olbermann Watch was first to report Keith's shameful lie, smearing Sarah Palin in the opening moments of his latest Special Education Komment, the news spread through the Olbersphere. The embarrassment was so great that Bathtub Boy penned a special non-SEK-pimping post at his blog, trying to parse his words to explain his deception. According to Olby, because he said "she may not have heard" someone in the crowd yell "kill him", therefore his SEK was perfectly accurate.

    Of course, this is Another Olbermann Lie. Oralmann knew she couldn't have heard him say it, because Gov Palin wasn't there! But instead of reporting that accurately ("she did not hear him" say it), Merkle used the conditional "may not", and never told his gullible viewers that it was metaphysically impossible for her to have heard it--because she hadn't arrived yet.

    But wait, there's more. Now it turns out there's another reason why Gov Palin couldn't have heard it: it was never said! The Secret Service was on the scene and conducted a thorough investigation. Their finding: the claim is unfounded and the case is closed.

    This is almost identical to an earlier claimed incident in Florida, also investigated by the Secret Service, and also found to be bogus.

    This is the challenge for Edward R Olbermann. You have pimped both of these alleged incidents on The Hour of Spin. You rushed to your home-away-from-home (Daily Kos) to roil the waters even further. But according to the Secret Service, these are both phony allegations. Lies.

    So our challenge to the infamous, deplorable Keith Olbermann: for once, don't be a pussy. Dare to report something that contradicts OlbySpin. Retract your false, defamatory smears about the Palin campaign. Let your viewers know that the Secret Service has found them to be groundless. For once, commit an act of journalism. Grow a pair!

    We ask our OlbyWatch recappers to keep close watch tonight to see how Herr Olbermann handles this story. Will he admit the truth? Try again to spin it away? Or simply spike it completely, to protect his own tattered "reputation"? Comments are open: post your analysis of tonight's Hour of Spin here, and you may see your insights later tonight in an official OlbyWatch Recap.


    Posted by johnny dollar | Permalink | Comments (43) | | View blog reactions

    43 Comments

    Johnny Dollar,

    I hate to criticize you, but I got to on this post. Surely you're a busy man with plenty of things to do, so why would you waste valuable time writing the above post?

    Any "real man" would step up and admit such a blatant mistake, but you're asking the most dishonest, phoney ass-hole in "journalistic" history to admit a mistake. We both know that he's not going to "man up." To "man up," someone has to be a man and we're dealing with a boy here (Harry Potter, cartoons, baseball cards.)

    In order to entice him to do the correct thing, perhaps we can collect a charitable fund in which each of us donates a certain amount if KO admits his mistake. Here's a link to a great organization which we could use:

    http://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/

    We can even donate the money on behalf of Keith Olbermann via olbermannwatch.com.

    I'm willing to donate a $100.00 if he does. Who's with me?

    There is no way Ubermoronn will "grow a pair" and admit his lies about the Palin rally. It's worth a C-Note if he does. Edward R. Douchebag's top story will most certainly be...

    Joe The Plumber is not a plumber. This, of course, will be another blatant lie. I'm guessing that tax cheat Keith will bring up Joe's $1,183 tax lien, too.

    Not a bad idea.

    Logistically, this might be difficult to set up through the website, but it might generate a little more traffic.

    Mr. Cox, is there anything you can do here?

    I've donated to this organization a couple of times already. If it's for a worthy cause (and what is more worthy than exposing a leftist fraud!), this site could generate a few extra bucks for our soldiers.

    By the way.....I must be living in an alternate universe because I happen to have felt that McCain had his best debate last night. This opinion seems to cut across the grain of every pundit on TV (what else is new?!). Sure, eloquence is not McCain's forte. If people want "sexy", then Obama's got it hands down. (That's certainly what the MSM wanted. Even FNC was riding the Obama bandwagon.)

    But American voters tend to be smarter than the fans of sexy and The View. (Does anyone really care what Heroes' Hayden thinks about politics?) He put Obama on the defensive constantly throughout the debate. Only rarely, did Obama have a substantial counter-argument. And people notice that.

    Joe the Plumber (no matter which way he ends up voting next month) will be THE centerpiece for the remainder of the campaign.

    We can expect Olby to hammer this one to death now too:
    -Not a plumber
    -Not making $250,000 (now)
    -Closet conservative
    -Phony ambush

    Never once will Olby mention the fact that Obama *oops!* let the cat out of the bag. Psst.....he has secret socialist leanings.......shhhh.....

    I don't even watch his show, and I can already see where he'll go. But what he doesn't realize is that it doesn't matter to the average guy what a Leftist Fraud like Olby thinks. The average guy wants to relate to Joe the Plumber because he is, afterall, just the average guy.

    I'll go ahead refute Keith's talking points ahead of time:

    Joe The Plumber has worked for a licenced plumber for six years, but he's not a plumber because he's not regulated? Good grief. How would you describe his occupation?

    Joe The Plumber never said he made $250,000/year... ever. The business he works for makes $250K. That doesn't stop Obama/Biden from lying about it.

    Speaking of "J-O-B-S" Biden, he must be leaking brain cells through his hair plugs. When asked "Anyone making over $250,000 is gonna pay more taxes?" Biden replied: "It's time to be Patriotic"

    Hey Joe... three words... Boston Tea Party

    This is also a challege to KO's Girl Friday Maddow who also ran with this story and even got into a little row with David Frum over it..but now the Secret Service have debunked the story..who'll be the bigger man KO or Maddow. LOL!!!

    Now there are 3 ways KO could deal with it .

    1-Ignore it and go on to new Daily Kos talking points.

    2-Attack the credibility of the Secret Service. and keep attacking Palin as if the story is true.

    3-Admit the "error"..tell Palin he's "sorry"..then launch into a new hate filled attack against her.

    But once again a another high point in the journalistic career of KO. New Murrow indeed.

    I'm going to go with number 1....and even worse, since Joe the Plumber doesn't make 250k and its his company that does, i can guarantee if they raise taxes on said 250k business, he has a chance of not having a job anymore

    bwahahaha Keith was trying to attack Sarah Palin and apparently a bug in his throat got the best of him and he had to throw it to commercial. That's called karma, Jimmy Legs.

    I am in for a hundred.

    Easy call. Since Olbermann lied and knew it in the first place, he will stick with his propaganda and move on to today's radical left attack points against the blue collar small business man.

    Notice what the loons are doing in attacking the credibility of the citizen instead of addressing the philosophical difference he brought up with Obama....that about elites deciding what to do with people's hard earned money. Taxes are collected to run government, not to be simply a way to take money from one citizen and give it to another.

    Socialism.....versus freedom.

    Easy call. Since Olbermann lied and knew it in the first place, he will stick with his propaganda and move on to today's radical left attack points against the blue collar small business man.

    Notice what the loons are doing in attacking the credibility of the citizen instead of addressing the philosophical difference he brought up with Obama....that about elites deciding what to do with people's hard earned money. Taxes are collected to run government, not to be simply a way to take money from one citizen and give it to another.

    Socialism.....versus freedom.

    Easy call. Since Olbermann lied and knew it in the first place, he will stick with his propaganda and move on to today's radical left attack points against the blue collar small business man.

    Notice what the loons are doing in attacking the credibility of the citizen instead of addressing the philosophical difference he brought up with Obama....that about elites deciding what to do with people's hard earned money. Taxes are collected to run government, not to be simply a way to take money from one citizen and give it to another.

    Socialism.....versus freedom.

    McCain on the membrane tried to sweep ACORN under the carpet even though the FBI is investigating.


    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93RPVP80&show_article=1


    A BLATENT LIE ALERT in the #3 story: Olby said that The Gallop Co. "discontinuing" polling. Really? This must be news to Gallop.


    http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx


    Seems all is well and continuing at Gallop. Maybe it is beacause Gallop has the race so close that it has forced olby to lie.

    I agree with LucasCop. Thought Big John did very well last night and was mostly on the offensive. Just wish he had more energy when he does this stuff.

    I have been bugged for a long time about Barry and coudn't work it out. Think I did last night and then again this morning when I saw him talking somewhere on the tube. Give him credit about being well prepared, articulate, etc. Polished, especially in front of a prompter. Says all the right things for the bleeding hearts. One thing missing. EMOTION. SINCERITY. WHATEVER. With the great emoters, if you will, this stuff came right from their gut. Kennedy, MLK, what they said and how they said it was so pursuasive because it was in their blood. With Barry he could be a freaking crazy right wing maniac and he could present the same way. I think we are seeing what we used to call a person who is a mile wide and an inch deep. God I hope the majority can see that and figure it out. Just one of those guys you look at and listen to and say; I think you would throw your mother under the bus to get this job.

    Cee: "Olbermann lied and knew it in the first place"

    It turns out "joe The Plumber" lied as well. What a surprise!

    1 - "Joe the Plumber" is not a plumber, but he does work for one.
    2 - "Joe the Plumber" doesn't make $250,000 a year....neither does almost any "other" plumber.
    3 - "Joe the Plumber" does make around $40,000 a year.
    4. - A REAL "Joe the Plumber" would benefit more from Obama's tax plan than McCain's.
    5 - "Joe the Plumber" isn't really buying the plumbing business he works for.
    6 - The business that "Joe the Plumber" works for doesn't make $250,000 a year.
    7 - The business that "Joe the Plumber" works for isn't even worth $250,000.
    8 - The business address for the business that "Joe the Plumber" works for is actually a private home.

    More lies from the McCain campaign.........what a surprise!

    He probably gets his tax lies from Mr '$30,000 pays the marginal tax rate' Cee!

    That wasn't a bug Keith swallowed, that was Keith's plumbing backing up . When someone like Bathtub Boy spews lies as much as he does, the bullshit has nowhere to go but out his big fat lying mouth. Do you all think for one minute that this ass clown is going to set the record straight on Joe the Plumber?
    Bring it on Olbermann, we challenge you, if you can't bring yourself to do it................ QUIT. It's too bad that your bosses at msnbc are just like you also, otherwise, any other network you would have been FIRED a long time ago.

    Well nice to see MikeH got the Dem talking points on attacking a guy whose only crime was daring to ask the chosen "One" some hard questions..something the MSM won't do and at same time trying to change the subject about KO and his girl Friday being caught in another lie about Palin. New Murrows Indeed.

    See how MikeH attacked our fellow citizen instead of simply respecting his difference with The One deciding who is "rich" and how much money he is going to take and give to someone who doesn't even pay taxes.......MikeH is "the" SNOBamessiah zealot.

    Oh well, speaking of zealots, Olbermann was just mentioned at The Al Smith dinner by John McCain. He said Olbermann has a "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" banner ready for an Obama win on election night......it will be hung in the padded cell he's admitted to.....

    There was a good level of laughter at the joke.....the CSPAN camera did show that Brian Williams was present. My wife made me turn back to Grey's......oh well....I think her priorities are right.

    VERO POSSUMUS!

    If only we could get the same level of vetting of Mr. Chicago Politic in one year of campaigning as we get from the media in one day of a regular Joe with aspirations of buying his business.

    The irony is astounding.

    The average person does not care about the details of a private citizen. They care about non-scripted off-the-cuff retorts from their politicians. The rapidity with which the media sensation has attempted to put down a cynic of The One will also not go unnoticed.

    Joe the Plumber (be he/she a plumber, landscaper, educator, deliveryman, concessions vendor, mechanic, whatever) will be THE centerpiece for the remainder of this campaign.

    And Olby will bark like a dog with rabies trying to diminish every gaffe of Biden and Obama ("No plumber can make a quarter million!"), and attack any insight from the Repubs until election day.

    Mark my words. The momentum has shifted. And it will turn Olby into convulsions.

    Just sent the following e-mail to the VP of Investor Relations at GE.

    Dear Mr. Schauenberg.

    As a shareholder of General Electric I am writing to express overwhelming outrage at what recently occurred in one of your divisions, that being NBC. Most specifically MSNBC. I watched the host of Countdown tell the most outrageous lie about one of the Vice-Presidential candidates and then criticize her for not taking action. Not one lie but two. First he accused her of being in attendance at a rally where somone allegedly called out "Kill Him" in connection with Senator Obama. As it occurred and was reported by the legitimate media Gov. Palin was in a vehicle in route when this situation allegedly occurred. The second lie was that the event occurred at all. It has been investigated by the Secret Service, not once but twice and they have concluded the incident never occurred. How an organization like GE can allow one of its empoyees to engage in such behavior in the public media and not take action absolutely astounds me. This reflects badly on the entire organization and at a time when your leadership is struggling with nearly a 50% or more reduction in shareholder value in one year. I am not a party person politically, but I know right and wrong regardless of what side it comes from. I can tell you sincerely that it is an embarassment to me as a shareholder of this great company.

    Investor Relations people get real uptight when you send them e-mails as a shareholder, even an individual shareholder. I have found it to be a good avenue to get throught to some of these joints when the normal routes like "Customer Service" are jacking me around.

    Feel free to send him a note yourself.

    Put this in the subject line: E-mail for Trevor Schauenberg

    E-mail address is; ir.contacts@corporate.ge.com

    The current going hourly rate for a plumber here in the Frozen Tundra is about $80 an hour. Plus a service call charge of roughly $75. The normal work year for most people without overtime is 2000 hours. I $640,000 a year in revenue. That doesn't count the overtime because the night and weekend rates parallel time and a half. Usually plumbing problems don't watch the clock and happen between 8 A.M. and 5 P.M. So if a guy has a little operation doing let's say $700K a year and pays his guys say $40 an hour he nets about $460K. Got a few expenses but not much. Couple of old trucks. The guys provide their own tools. He has a lot of room between $460K and Barry's $250K for those expenses and he will still get screwed. Happens all of the time. There are tons of guys in the trades that operate that way. Plumbers, electricians, carpenters. Then if the guys wife works and makes even $30K or $40K a year they are really rich and Barry sucks em dry so he can "Reditribute the Wealth".

    People don't understand this stuff because they don't understand what people can and will do to make a better life for themselves and their families.

    Oops. Sorry. Something got erased. Thinking the $640K a year is for someone who has maybe himself and 3 guys working for him: "OUT OF HIS HOUSE".

    This came from hotair.com.......Have no idea if it's true or not.....(don't know how to paste hyperlinks....)

    But does it matter? Thanks to Obama, we have the new American Dream! "Even you can make up to $250,000. Be more successful, and you've earned your chance to be more patriotic!"

    ********

    "Also revealed: His boss’s business probably doesn’t bring in anywhere near $250,000"

    Ahem… depnds on what he nets and how much he pays himself and how quickly he grew the business. He’s in the neck of the woods…

    http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_dp1mf9

    Company Profile: A W Newell Corporation
    Year Started:1974
    State of Incorporation:OH
    URL:N/A
    Location Type:Single Location
    Stock Symbol:N/A
    Stock Exchange:N/A
    Also Does Business As:Newell A W Plumbing & Heating
    NAICS:N/A
    SIC #Code:1711
    Est. Annual Sales:$510,000
    Est. Employees:8
    Est. Employees at Location:8
    Contact Name:Alan W Newell
    Contact Title:President & Treasurer

    TheBigOldDog on October 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM

    This came from hotair.com.......Have no idea if it's true or not.....(don't know how to paste hyperlinks....)

    But does it matter? Thanks to Obama, we have the new American Dream! "Even you can make up to $250,000. Be more successful, and you've earned your chance to be more patriotic!"

    ********

    "Also revealed: His boss’s business probably doesn’t bring in anywhere near $250,000"

    Ahem… depnds on what he nets and how much he pays himself and how quickly he grew the business. He’s in the neck of the woods…

    http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_dp1mf9

    Company Profile: A W Newell Corporation
    Year Started:1974
    State of Incorporation:OH
    URL:N/A
    Location Type:Single Location
    Stock Symbol:N/A
    Stock Exchange:N/A
    Also Does Business As:Newell A W Plumbing & Heating
    NAICS:N/A
    SIC #Code:1711
    Est. Annual Sales:$510,000
    Est. Employees:8
    Est. Employees at Location:8
    Contact Name:Alan W Newell
    Contact Title:President & Treasurer

    TheBigOldDog on October 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM

    This came from hotair.com.......Have no idea if it's true or not.....(don't know how to paste hyperlinks....)

    But does it matter? Thanks to Obama, we have the new American Dream! "Even you can make up to $250,000. Be more successful, and you've earned your chance to be more patriotic!"

    ********

    "Also revealed: His boss’s business probably doesn’t bring in anywhere near $250,000"

    Ahem… depnds on what he nets and how much he pays himself and how quickly he grew the business. He’s in the neck of the woods…

    http://www.manta.com/coms2/dnbcompany_dp1mf9

    Company Profile: A W Newell Corporation
    Year Started:1974
    State of Incorporation:OH
    URL:N/A
    Location Type:Single Location
    Stock Symbol:N/A
    Stock Exchange:N/A
    Also Does Business As:Newell A W Plumbing & Heating
    NAICS:N/A
    SIC #Code:1711
    Est. Annual Sales:$510,000
    Est. Employees:8
    Est. Employees at Location:8
    Contact Name:Alan W Newell
    Contact Title:President & Treasurer

    TheBigOldDog on October 16, 2008 at 8:28 PM

    #2: The Media Matters Minute. Worse was Fixed News [Ding!]. The graphic used was a distortion of the FNC logo with "Fixed News [Ding!]" replacing "Fox News." Blue blog source: Think Propaganda. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/15/powell-dance-fox/
    Rev. Jeremiah Olbermahn played the race card. Joe the Plumber attack.
    Worser was O'Reilly Attack #519. The supposed "big comedy payoff" returned, including the big head on the little body. Blue blog source: Newsliars, in a post that had nothing to do with Larry Flynt's new Palin porn film. http://www.newshounds.us/2008/10/15/bob_beckel_throws_palin_whining_right_back_in_bill_oreillys_face.php#more
    Billo the Clown. [Ding!] Keith "Man on Fan" Olbermann let his "kill him" lie stand, not refuting it, even though it's a fake as his journalistic credentials. The supposed Ted Baxter voice was used to turn an "oh, by the way" plug for the next segment into an overdramatic "I'm outraged!" bombast. "Are you opposed to it? Are you demanding an invitation to the PRIM-ear?" Ooh, look at that fancy pronunciation of "premiere." Oh, you smart man. He went on, "Besides which, where do you think the market for this is? Democrats? (raising a gotcha paper): To again quote Rich Lowry of the National Review and Fox Noise [Ding!]..." Yes, for the third time since October 3, Oralmann read Lowry's "sitting up straighter on the couch" observation of Sarah Palin's winks in the VP debate in a lustful, porn-like manner. And he's *still* on the air.
    Worst was a vile San Bernadino area Republican women's club thing. I'm not even going to acknowledge the potential blue blog source nor recap this part. I'm sure the indignation and outrage resurfaced.

    I’m not exactly sure what Keith keeps referring to by saying “Maddow won the encounter against David Frum and she is clearly his intellectual superior.” He either didn’t watch the encounter Maddow had with David or is just distorting the whole event as he does with everything else.

    Let’s get a few things straight:
    Keith would never have David Frum on his show because Keith can’t debate his way out of a paper bag.

    And the only reason Maddow had David on her show was because he wrote an article on McCain not winning any voters with his Williams Ayers angle.

    So Maddow thought David would be easy, she even said her conversation wasn’t about the topic David brings up. But he brings up an excellent point. Shows like Maddows, Keith etc… don’t do anything to educate viewers on what’s going on in the world and American politics.

    These shows just play partisan politics and are attack dogs. They do much more harm then good.

    Maddow kept asking David is what she is doing the same as Obama being accused of hanging out with a terrorist and audience members shouting kill Obama.
    She is missing David’s point entirely. She didn’t like David criticizing her show so she tried to get into a debate with him and David didn’t stoop to her level he just repeated his points in hopes that Maddow would get it. But she didn’t. David kept saying there are bigger issues then these dumb Bill Ayers but Maddow kept going back to those issues.

    Good job by David Frum

    When it's "Mission Accomplished" you'll smell
    The burning in Keith's private hell
    The lies and the spin
    Help John McCain win
    Hang that banner in Keith's padded cell

    McCain blased the orange faced hack tonight. That was soooo sweet. It's one for the hard drive, fo sure.


    mikeh, man up and tell us wher you got all of those joe the plumber lies. OK? Daily Kos? DU? Which far left blog to get your "news" from? Can you be a man and tell us?

    Sorry Johnny$, I'm afraid that this is a story that will become a dog that just doesn't bark.

    Congratulations to Glenn Beck. He is comming home to the promised land. The # network in cable news.

    As predicted, tax cheat and uber-hypocrite Olbermahn felt it newsworthy to report Joe The Plumber's $1,183 tax lien.

    Joe The Plumber's $1,183 tax lien.


    That's earth shattering news to a political hack! Check any far left blog. Its "all joe all the time" on all of them! They hate him more than they hate Bin Ladin! Actually, they don't hate obl at all......


    Let me guess, murtha was a non-barker? Oh, that's right, he's a (d).

    "Mr. Wurzelbacher was playing football in his front yard with his son, Joey, on Sunday afternoon when Mr. Obama made an unscheduled stop to go door to door greeting voters and asking for their support."

    OS,

    Unfortunately, the above encounter initiated by Obama has now hurt a productive citizen. I'll give the link which does indicate that Joe has problems with the lack of licensure. He didn't think he needed it while working for someone else. You'll notice that a union who has endorsed Obama has tried to wreck the poor guy's life.

    This will backfire, if the facts are correct. Decent people look out for each other.

    http://tinyurl.com/4le8eo

    We see clearly what happens when a citizen expresses a worldview that is opposed to the worldview of the radical left, including Barack Obama's ideology.

    This is the future folks.

    Minutes after this middle class working man challenged Obama with a question that concerned the FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE that has been promised by the prohet, the argument shifted from the idea to the personal.......From the political exhange that is supposed to take place between citizen and politician, to the personal attacks hypocrites like MikeH complain about.

    I have been monitoring the Obama supporting blogs and they are hateful towards Joe. This is the reaction the church of SNOBamessiah has been typical of since the primaries and it drives the discourse. What a detriment to our country.

    The hypocrisy is also chilling. Polticians are subject and deserving of questions about their personal character, background and associations. A random man in his yard that Obama decides to try to have a photo-op with is not.

    Remember The One's words, FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE. Redistribution of wealth as the primary policy driver in tax policy is a fundamental change Obama wants to imploy. He decides who is rich. He decides who is poor. He decides who gets checks in the mail. He decides who gets the bill. He decides, based on his worldview and his and his allies' political needs in the future (and we KNOW this will change), how this redistribution will shake out and how it will be "spun." I assure you, a first political campain demands the easily promised 250,000 cutoff for "wealthy" (Obama would be in the 30's if his true definition of wealthy was advertised!) but as power is consoldated and democrats become "safe" from the ballot box....this number will go DOWN. Events will happen that will bring a somber President Obama to our living room TVs and tell us he and the brave democratic congress have to modify the economic plan because of "emergencies," and "unforseen challenges," that threaten our Republic....We will have to "sacrifice" and not get that check or even pay more in federal taxes or fees. That cutoff of 249,999 will be MUCH MUCH lower for "the good of the country!"

    Case in point...President Clinton's promised middle class tax relief...Remember how that promise was so easily broken by him, and he's right of Obama! How easy it is for leftists to demand money from hard working citizens without a blink of an eye.

    Many people will buy the lies because they invested themselves in Obama and bought into the demogogic religiosity and history of the vote....He and the democrats will crassly use such emotion and devotion to do what they have always done....lie, break promises and reach for the radical solutions that bring America closer to its destruction.

    Save your money middle class voters. Put it where the government cannot reach it. Hold accountable the potential President Obama and his allies for what they promise today....NO MORE MONEY going to the federal government if you are a family making more that 249,999 and an individual making more than 199,999....You better remember his promises regarding this plan making our economic lives better, more jobs, better healthcare and a stronger country. Over 95% of us will be free from paying for this great revolution, and most of that number (including all of those not even paying taxes) will get a check in the mail from Santa Obama...this is his promise....Oh and he is going to be able to maintain our defense posture, increase social programs and pay down the debt as well.

    The fundamental change Joe the plumber wanted a real answer on remains unanwered by the church of SNOBamessiah and his zealots, like MikeH...Instead they continue to personally attack the man. In lieu of an answer from the fanatics, make your own conclusion based on the slip after a tortured avoidance to be clear with Joe by The One, "I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody..." A government employee taking on a role not stipulated in the US Constitution....a role best served by allowing employers to provide well earned, fair and healthy wages to workers has always been the safest and most effective way to help the most people make the most economic progress....history has proven this time and again.

    I have no problem with a safety net that allows temporary, basic (food, shelter, necessary medical care) help to people with bad luck that has occurred through no fault of their own. But to deincentivise hard work and people trying to make more for themselves and their family by handing them a check for doing NOTHING will sap the drive and motivation that is required to cause them to be the best they can be. Also, please remember the fairness of taking people's hard earned money, whether it is money from a 60K/year person or a 250,000K/year person or a multimillionaire, and simply giving it to someone who has not tried to improve their own family's economic situation, even though they are capable and there are opportunities to do so...That is what Joe was talking about. The government is the bully on the playground ready to judge those "successful," steal their money and distribute to people likely constituients and special interests prepared to vote in the next election. What a shame.

    So, I will keep my personal information close to the chest because I don't want people like MikeH personally attacking me for holding a mainstream American worldview based on my income level, my property tax payment history, my lack of a license or that I may have registered Republican. There will be no cogent, logical rebuttal to the concerns and claims of the argument.....just hatred, demogoguery and an attempt to stifle free speech with intimidation. FUNDAMENTAL CHANGE!

    VERO POSSUMUS!

    Looks like a segment of a D&B report LCop. They are almost always wrong on the low side with the revenue because they estimate it for private companies. If they estimate low, nobody can get mad at them. So your point is well taken here. Good stuff.

    MikeH's church of SNOBamessiah is active out there in the country doing all they can to elevate their leader to supreme ruler and tax collector/wealth distributor......

    "Georgia state officials have begun an investigation into Primus Industries and the alleged voter fraud committed by one or more of its employees. Jack Justice attends the adult day care provided by Primus for mentally-challenged individuals, and one or more Primus aides took them to an early voting event without permission from their families. Once in the booth, the aide cast the ballot for Barack Obama over Justice’s protestations.

    "The aide may have more problems than just a voter-fraud charge, although that’s enough; it’s a felony in most cases. If he or she signed an oath as the report states, then Georgia could also charge the aide with perjury, which will get several years in prison. Maybe the aide will hope for a presidential pardon if he or she steals enough votes."

    http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/17/obama-supporters-steal-vote-from-disabled-man/


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    Wow, what a mission these brave Obama zealots are on! What commitment! Look at yesterday's 9:23pm post where MikeH shows us all the depths and extremes the faithful will go to attain The One's goal! I am impressed!

    VERO POSSUMUS!

    Can't you two just get along? Or at least call a truce?

    "Can't you two just get along?"


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    I'll take a more cheerful tone, then, and share a link to a very funny parody of the ol' swiftboaters (at least I hope it's a parody).....

    http://tinyurl.com/58q7ng


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    I also hear hecklers are waving plungers at Obama now....Olbermann will run with that one and suggest the plungers are simply one step away from the cliched torches of that mythical scary Republican mod ready to KILL! KILL! KILL!


    Can't you two just get along? Or at least call a truce?

    By Mike C.Author Profile Page on October 17, 2008 1:01 PM


    I certainly hope not.

    Cee,

    I like your passion in 6:37. If only McCain could channel some of it. The problem is that he is too NICE.

    (I would never have crossed paths with Letterman again in my life after the heckling he and Olby shared a couple weeks ago. McCain would, and did.)

    "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free."
    Ronald Reagan
    40th president of US (1911 - 2004)

    His words have never been more relevant than today.

    >I certainly hope not.
    For the sake of the well-being of all OlbyWatch comment threads, I hope *so*, at least on one side of the aisle.

    Here's an idea, MikeC-- why don't we give you our passwords so that you can write all the comments for us.

    Maybe then you'll be happy for an hour or so.

    I deserved that. I was only talking about MikeH. Man, I can't be subtle or indirect around here. I'm sorry, Cecelia. Very sorry. I'm moving on to the next thread anyway.

    It's not a big deal, Mike. We may both be having a gloomy day.

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