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This is the recappers' comment thread for Countdown, October 23 2008. Post your comments on tonight's Hour of Spin. Note everything salient: smears, distortions, bias, lies, the works. Watch the first showing, the repeat, or view the videos at the Countdown website. It falls on you--the clear-thinking readers of Olbermann Watch--to document Oralmann's diseased rantings for posterity.
We didn't spot any "kampaign komments" pimping at Olbermann's blog today--but that doesn't mean there won't be one. One? Attacks on McCain and Palin will constitute the entire Hour of Spin! At least Oralmann won't be bragging about ratings tonight.
Be an Olbermann Watch blogger--without all the muss and fuss! Comments are open: post your analysis of tonight's Hour of Spin here, and you may see your insights later tonight in an official OlbyWatch Recap.
Keith Olbermann reminds us that we can get a free taco at Taco Bell, on Tuesday, October 28, 2008.
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Number 3: Sam Seder (who is probably looking for a job at MSNBC) is on.
Am half watching. Think worse was Joe the Plumber or maybe it was Mayor Bloomberg. Things were running together there as is a habit of Fatass. So much to say and so little time to say it. Worser was a Congressman who said Liberals hate real Americans who work. You were right. BOR was worst again.
I was kind of hoping Fatass would surf our site today and see me calling Barry a Liar, which he is, and then be the WPITW. That would be cool. It has to be a badge of honor. Once had George Patton's son (who was also a flaming asshole) think I was the WPITW. A few other people of note, but Fatass would be in my top 5 of Assholes who disapproved of me. I would like that.
#2: The Media Matters Minute.
Worse was the New York City Council. (No blue blog source; it's everywhere!) Term Limits extended so Mayor Mike Bloomberg and the City Council can run again! Horrors! No ethical basis! To further your own political careers! Get out!
Worser was Robin Hayes. Blue blog source: Think Propaganda. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/22/hayes-denial/
Fat Ass recommends a shovel for the Congressman, probably the same shovel he recommended to Joe Scarborough two months ago.
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/archives/2008/10/countdown_wedne_10.php#comment-219793
Worst was O'Reilly Attack #521. Blue blog source: Media Matters. http://mediamatters.org/items/200810220013
Billo the Clown! [Ding!] A caller to Tuesday's "Radio Factor" justified bad behavior (Ayers and Obama) by pointing to other bad behavior (Liddy and McCain). I made nothing of this when I listened on Tuesday, but apparently Brock and Co. did, and Keith "Man on Fan" Olbermann ran with it, all but proclaiming the caller a hero. Olby said Liddy is a "domestic terrorist." Then, after saying "Billo [Ding!] cut him off," he trotted out the supposed Ted Baxter voice to read bits and pieces of what Mr. Bill said to this caller (via Media Matters' transcript), but not everything. He did so *on camera* making multiple body movements and faces into said camera. Since O'Reilly said something in 1998 was "20 years ago," Keith "I don't know the fourth story from the fifth" Olbermann said this: "As [the caller] so neatly replied, quote [Ding!], (dramatic intonation): 'It's 10.'" Funny thing about that, you can't barely hear the caller say those words. It almost sounded garbled. The fact that Oralmann would prop this guy up as a hero standing up to the eeevil O'Reilly shows what a slovenly political hack he is. The hack finished with "Billo the Clown [Ding!], on whose show it just...never adds up, tonight's Worst..." Blah yada blah.
#1: The fourth consecutive Special Education Kampaign Komment. Tonight's target, Joe the Plumber via John McCain's new "I'm Joe the Plumber" ad...or something.
"Joe the Failed Campaign Gimmick."
By the way, I went to Daily Kos to see if Olby pimped tonight's Komment. I couldn't find *that*, but unfortunately, I saw Kos himself ghoulishly touting "The GOP Death List," Republicans in office that were going to lose or were losing in polls. Screw 'Em and people like him are on the verge of accumulating a lot of power in this country. Welcome to the Progressive States of America.
It's just very depressing to know all this, plus the Phillies on the verge of winning the World Series. Life is very depressing for me, the Republican Mets fan.
At least depressing for politics and baseball.
BTW. What happened to them Mets? They came in to town and swept the Brewers striking out our guys in double digits every game. They looked unbeatable.
They collapsed and their Philly beneficiaries are on the cusp of a World Series Championship. (I don't have the game on now, don't tell me what's happening/happened. Thank you very much.)
Now, back on the topic of recapping...
BTW, 10th C, I'm not mad at you. :-)
I forgot to delete the link to my Wednesday thread comment. I originally thought the O'Reilly Attack would be what I predicted earlier in that thread. It wasn't.
Dogs that did not bark.
Olbermann went on a national socialist rampage after a McCain support called Hillary a bitch and McCain did not scold her.
Well Obama's campagin is out promoting Jay-Z’s “Last Chance for Change" consert while Jay-Z is calling Sarah Palin a bitch and dedicating songs about bitches to Sarah Palin. Will we see any outrage from Olbermann? No, its Sara Palin. She is an enemy on Olby's world.
Every night it's Obama TV
From his friends at (MS)NBC
The Barrack Hussein
Nightly campaign
Is paid by the folks at GE
Oralmann's Kos pimping for tonight's Komment is the top link in "The Olbermann Flood." Here it is: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/23/214129/68/329/640391
I stand corrected. It was a post-Komment pat-on-the-back pimp.
Pathetic.
Olbermann is such a shameless and disturbed man.
Does GE not read his Kos posts?
NBC has redefined trashy.
Of this I am sure:
If McCain actually pulls this one out, I'm going to have to request my cable company to remove MSNBC from my lineup.
I don't know how any fair-minded, well-balanced individual would be able to put up with Olby's incessant whining, vulgarity, and kooky anti-American rants.
"If McCain actually pulls this one out, I'm going to have to request my cable company to remove MSNBC from my lineup."
So I guess if Obama wins, you're going to keep MSNBC in your lineup?
LucasCop: "anti-American rants."
There's that nasty litle word again!.....You know, the one you extreme conservatives keep using to imply that those who disagree with them are unpatriotic.
Take a chill pill. I'm referring to The Goon's lazy attacks day-after-day that target any and every conservative for some American ill.
(Now simple Joe is a bad guy. God help us if Obama becomes president. The first sign of criticism will probably be deflected as racist.)
Re: False "Kill Him/'Em" Charge
"Sen. McCain, your supporters, at your events, are calling Obama a terrorist and traitor and are calling for him to be killed. And yet you keep bringing back these same rabid Right Wing nuts to deliberately stir these crowds into frenzies. And then you take offense when somebody who remembers the violence in our political past, calls you on it. You, sir, are responsible for a phalanx of individuals who are shouting fire in a crowded theater."
Baa....don't worry......your shepherd is not anti-American. He's just a fraud.
lol I skipped in to catch McCain in the Membrain ( what a witty segment )
Apparently KO took great stride in mentioning how Philly was 0-6 since McPalin dropped the puck earlier this month.
Skipping back to BOR who was pissed of the fact that the stripper in that Duke LaCross team has a book coming out. And really, that's disturbing since there's nothing to write about.
Back to KO, Joe the Plumber have a book deal? OUTRAGOUS!! IMHO Joe merits any attention he's getting cause he's been butchered by the press, specially since he's got a NBC news van parked outside his house.
Really he's getting the 5th degree, and yet nothing on those nutjobs blocking Palins motorcade?
And KO's sick of hearing about Joe, well NBC is the one reporting most of it. I think complaints must be nowhere near his office at 30 Rock, or in the building.
LucasCop: "take aa chill pill".......It doesn't matter WHO you are referring to. Calling another American "anti-American" is inexcusable.......and violates the very core of what America stands for.
That said, calling the likely winning presidential candidate "your shepard" is just sour grapes.....although I fully understand that you mean't it to be condescending.
If you are intentionally making things up then you are as disgraceful as Olby.
This is the second and third time you have put words in my mouth.
Despite the fact that the notion of calling some "thing" anti-American is different from calling some "one" anti-American, I already explained that I wasn't referring to a person as anti-American.
Regardless, if one believes there really are not anti-American natural born citizens inside this country, I would either call them naive or disingenuous. Whatever "core" you oddly are referring to, you're pulling some hollow rhetorical notion out of thin air. I frankly have no idea what you're talking about.
While many Americans do indeed relate to Obama as the Messiah - many of whom blindly follow without understanding what policies he might actually stand for - the inference I made was towards Olbermann. My statement was as clear as day, but I guess honest sentiments are better thrown out the window. How sad.
Good night and good luck.
of course there are people that are anti-american. do you consider bill ayers to be anything but anti-american? granted, people shouldn't call someone anti-american for just having a difference of opinions....no matter how frustrating, democrats are just doing what they think will make this country better in their eyes. however, KO is one of the biggest voices that calls others anti-american. again, another blatant example of olby-hypocrisy
First off dfunk55, LucasCop wasn't talking about Bill Ayers, and neither was Cee when he used the same term on the other thread.
Second off, the only reason you just mentioned Ayers was to try to further reinforce the false notion that Obama had some kind of a serious relationship with the man. I could take your bait and discuss in detail what I actually know about Bill Ayers, but that would only legitimize the incorrect notion that there was some kind of a real relationship between the two men. Suffice to say that the label of "domestic terrorist" sounds far worse than going into detail about what the man actually did (and didn't do), but of course, that is exactly the way you republicans like it.
That said, John McCain is the one who is going to have to live out the rest of his days knowing that he squandered his honor by running such a filthy and misleading campaign. I believe there is just enough decency left in the man that it may actually bother him.
What a shame it is that he has chosen to end his political career this way!
I was only mentioning bill ayers b/c he is the closest example of an anti-american that came to mind. this guy tried to bomb america as well as found a group that was for attacking america. i was just backing the other posters up when he said it is naive to say there is no anti-americans b/c clearly there are. I think its a term that should not be thrown around to anyone, but these people do exist whether you want to admit it or not...
also, i wasn't even trying to link to obama. i can see why you thought that, as that is a huge story these days. but he is in fact a "domestic terrorist" being as that he was raised and lived in america all the while plotting nefarious acts. obama and him surely don't hang out and plot bombings....i have no idea what obama and him did actually do together and what their relationship is, but i do know obama has changed his story numerous times....that makes me wonder
Bill Ayers was an agressive and outspoken supporter of Obama as Obama was introducing himself to the very liberal Hyde Park political community. Like it or not, Bill Ayers was an aggressive and outspoken supporter of The North Vietnamese during The Vietnam War and has publications advocating the far left ist ideology of radical changes to the US government, economic system and education system.
Bill Ayers is not patriotic. Bill Ayers is not pro-America.
Being a member of a political community that includes Bill Ayers and then serving with him in the pursuit of a very liberal education agenda is telling. MikeH would simply have it that one does not form any conclusions based on these facts, but supporters do make the politician.
I agree that Obama has changed his story and his campaign has actually lied about his closeness to Ayers. The press has chosen not to press Obama on this and once again shows the bias and misinformation that has occurred during this important election.
dfunk55:
The ONLY reason that Bill Ayers is a "huge story these days" is because the McCain campaign has made the despicabloe choice of making it one. It their campaign were not taling about him, no onne else would be either. For anyone with a brain, all that really proves is how bankrupt this campaign is of real issues and real ideas.
IF the Obama campaign had made an equally despicable choice, and had chosen to make shady characters like Charles Keating and G Gordon Liddy issues (both of whom had a far more substantial relatonships wwith McCain, and unlike Ayers, both of whom actually served time in prison), both of them would be 'huge stories' as well. But fortunately for a mud slinging weary public, Obama has shown the honor and integrity not to go there. In truth, there is a far greater number of shady characters in McCain's backgound than there are in Obama's.
You can chose to make a bigger deal than it is that Obama chose to downplay what amounted to a rather casual association with someone who has a shady past, but you ignoring the fact that almost anyone would do the same under similar circumstances. I personally have many "associations", and no, I don't really know the background of every "association" i have, or have had in my past.
To try to tar someone with a casual professional relationship they had with someone else who also had similar professional relationships with many republicans at the same time, and whose main relationship consisted of serving on the same charitable board that was funded by a Reagan conservative.....is an ethically bankrupt way to run a campaign to say the least.
Frotunatly, it seems apparent that the American people are seeing through this charade.
It's just so sad to see the once honorable McCain loose all of his honor right in front of our eyes. That is much worse than simply losing an election!
Hey, Mike, please quit picking fights with the usual registered user suspects. Thank you.
You never seem to learn anything do you, Mike C?
For example, you don't seem to understand what is or isn't your business. You don't even understand the difference between a debate and a "fight". And apparently, being lectured by the owner of this blog only made a temporary impression.
Lets get something straight......your mental problems are not my fault.....nor are they any concern of mine.
First off, I consider Ayers a much more dispicable character than either of those people. Greedy thieves and politicians are disgusting, but not as much as a man who would try to bomb and attack other innocent americans and property.
I think a big reason this is getting so much coverage is due to a few reasons....logically, obama is new on the scene so people are going to ask questions. people have known about mccains associations in great detail, which nobody really knows about ayers. and whenever people try to learn they get stonewalled...
i have no problem with learning about mccain or obama's past associations. if it gives me a better of who they hang out with, i am totally fine with it. i would love to know more about both candidates past. obama owes the american public the truth...
another reason is that this issue resonates with people so of course mccain will use it as a tactic in a campaign that is in trouble. the american public finds ayers and his views to be very scary. it hits a nerve while we are currently trying to fight terrorists abroad, and here is one in our own country.
obama's assos may be nothing, but it is absolutely to biased and absurd to say that it shouldn't be brought up. these men are running for the highest office of the country, therefore subject to the most scrutiny we can come up with. it probably is a meaningless relationship, but NOBODY should be under-scrutinized. i would like to know about it and make my own informed decision, not be blindfolded and told to vote
But dfunk55, your entire post seems to be missing the FACT that the ONLY reason Ayers is a "getting so much coverage" is because the McCain campaign has chosen to focus on it. The media talks about what the campaigns talk about. As a general rule, they don't make up their own issues.
The Obama campaign COULD HAVE chosen to focus on McCain's Liddy and Keating associations, BUT, they have honorably decided not to do that. And that is the ONLY reason those two characters are not getting just as much coverage as the Ayers thing is.
BTW, G. Gorden Liddy was a very scary and violent character and not just a 'greedy thief'. He is on record relatively recently of suggesting that shooters should 'aim for the head because they are wearing armor' regarding shooting US Federal agents. He also hosted a fund raiser for McCain.
I see it as a question of honor that one has chosen to take the high road, while the other one has chosen to take the low road, when neither one is any more guiltless than the other regarding questionable associations.....THIS also has a bearing on who is really fit or the highest office in the country.
By LucasCop on October 24, 2008 2:34 AM
If you are intentionally making things up then you are as disgraceful as Olby.
This is the second and third time you have put words in my mouth.
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Only second or third? That means you have 300 more to come, at least! JUst check the archives.
As the MSM talks about the horserace and polls, fully supporting the church of SNOBamessiah campaign agenda, little stories showing the true ideology of Obama continue to be ignored....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck
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The Constitution is specific on what the federal courts, federal executive and federal legislature CANNOT do.....Federal government elected or appointed individuals redistribution the wealth of the citizen or performing functions of determining "economic justice" is a very radical ideology and poll after poll shows Americans do not agree with policies that allow such PEOPLE to determine some "gurantee" of outcomes.
Why? Because most Americans are wise in seeing what has occurred in history, and presently, when government is in the business of making the decisions on how much money its citizens "deserve."
Using the federal tax system as a tool for economic justice is not effective. It thwarts the original and justifiable intent of taxes as a tool to collect money to run vital federal government services. If the left wants a system to redistribute the wealth of individual citizens, it should simply be forthright and have a welfare system passed like that was done in the 1960's....Government entitlement programs should be crafted and brought before the nation's elected officials and voted up or down. The political and economic consequences would be clear, both positive and negative, in this more open system as opposed to the incidious and complicated avenue of using tax credits, deductions, etc. to accomplish the same ends.
The fact that Obama is only discussing the tax avenue is telling of how is is trying to hide is out-of-mainstream views on government's role in dispensing economic justice.
I hope members of the vast middle class of our country are not prepared to see some of their freedom removed as the left takes more power for their own personal polititcal calculus. I do not agree with such power for government officials.
Cee" "I hope members of the vast middle class of our country are not prepared to see some freedon removed as the left takes more power for their own personal polititcal calculus. I do not agree with such power for government officials."
1) - You have failed to articulate exactly HOW they are going to loose their freedom?
2) - You are making an easily challenged and usually false assumption anytime you claim ideological decisions are made for "their own personal polititcal calculus" reasons.
3) - While I emphatically disagree that anything you have mentioned are 'power grabs', you never seemed to have a problem with the many well documented power grabs of the Bush/Cheney regime.
Cee: "using the federal tax system as a tool for economic justice is not effective. It thwarts the original and justifiable intent of taxes as a tool to collect money to run vital federal government systems."
1) - The federal income tax system has ALWAYS been applied as a graduated taxation system based on income. This has been true since the 16th amendment passed in 1913, which applied a tax rate from 1 - 7%, depending on income.
2) - The marginal tax rate for the highest earners has been as high as 91% as recently as the sixties. No one is suggesting any such tax rates now.
3) - If returning the marginal tax rate to what it was before 2003 is tantamount to "socialism", then we have ALWAYS had a "socialist" system.
4) - The Obama tax plan amounts to nothing more sinister than another relatively minor tweek in the same graduated tax system that we have ALWAYS had.
5) - It is patently irresponsible to continue to call for tax cuts for the wealthy when the deficits such policies are causing increasingly record national debt....much of it owed to potential adversaries.
6) - The last time the marginal tax rates were at the level Obama is proposing, we had a budget surplus...and we THOUGHT our children had a bright financial future because of it.
7) - Cutting taxes for one income group while raising them for another one is NOT "income redistribution".
8) - There IS one portion of our federal income tax code that can accurately be described as an "income distribution" program.....It is called the "earned income credit", and it just may surprise some people who started the program.....The man's was Ronald Reagan!
9) - No one is talking about changing the earned income program.
10) - John McCain criticized the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy as irresponsible when they were inacted. He is now calling the reinstatement of those same basic tax rates "socialism"
John McCain and the republicans clearly think the American people are stupid......I hope he is not correct!