During football he'll trash Sarah Palin
As a journalist he's really failin'
He's the consummate hack
His jaw's hanging slack
In the ratings he's always trailin'

That's hilarious!

I gotta hand it to the proprietors of this site, that they have the stomach to wade through so much tripe monitoring Olberdouche every day. Personally, I don't have the fortitude to sit there and listen to his bullcrap, even to pick it apart. Kudos, guys.

I gotta hand it to the proprietors of this site, that they have the stomach to wade through so much tripe monitoring Olberdouche every day. Personally, I don't have the fortitude to sit there and listen to his bullcrap, even to pick it apart. Kudos, guys.

It was a good clip, but I'm still mad at Mark for attacking BOR after his broad, but harsh, criticism of conservative talk radio.

MikeC: "It was a good clip, but I'm still mad at Mark for attacking BOR"

You are one amazing and utterly confused dude MikeC!

You are "mad" at someone for "attacking" someone who has made a career out of visciously attacking anyone and everyone he finds distasteful.

You obviously dislike confrontation yourself, yet you hold up as your hero THE most confrontational pundit on television.

Wierd!

Bob, help!

Please, Mike and Patrick, leave me alone. Stop ruining my life. I don't care if I give your cause reason to celebrate by saying this. You have double-handedly scared me into submission. You want to shut me up? Fine. You win. I won't comment here or anywhere else anymore. Does that please either of you? Is that what you want? To shut up anyone that you consider conservative in any way? Well, you got your wish. You've shut me up. Now what?

"Bob, help!"

Is that how your hero BOR would react to a verbal challenge?

No MikeC, I'm not trying to get you to either "shut up" or leave. What you don't seem to understand is that a blog like this is for the exchnge of controversial ideas. You don't have to read or respond to anything I or anyone else writes.

Then how do you explain Patrick? He copied and pasted your text and commented at my blog (which I deleted). He said "See dude everyone thinks you worship [expletive using Bill O'Reilly's name], you need to go out get a girlfriend and get over your little [expletive using Bill O'Reilly's name] man crush"

I would love for someone to question Olby about the issues. Then we could see how well-read he really is. Maybe it's time Bill sent one of his "stalker producers" to pay Rip n' Read a visit...

They can't do that, John. The names "Keith Olbermann" or "Countdown" cannot be uttered on any BOR program. He does not exist by name or show title.

Mike C., the internet is a vicious unregulated world. Just shrug it off.

I don't have anything to do with what Patrick does MikeC. I don't know him nor do I know anything about your blog. If he did what you say he did, I don't condone it nor did I know anything about it.

Do you comment at Newshounds, Mike?

And Mike, you should be happy. When Obama is elected, his personnel in Bill Burton and Robert Gibbs will shut all Fox News operations down and do away with all facets of talk radio that are to the right of center left. And they'll shut down this site and Johnny Dollar's Place. Hell, they'll probably shut down my blog for referring to FNC and FBN in blog posts.

They can't do that, John. The names "Keith Olbermann" or "Countdown" cannot be uttered on any BOR program. He does not exist by name or show title.>

I know, it's depressing. I really think he needs to change tack.

If he did that, Keith would become #1.

MikeC: "Do you comment at Newshound, Mike?"

No I don't Mike. I don't think I've ever even gone there. The only other place I ever comment is TVNewser (or Mediabiastro).

You're completely wrong in your belief that an Obama administration will or even could shut down Fox and talk radio. That would be unconstitutional and I have never seen or heard anything that makes me believe he is for media censorship of any kind.

Based on that comment, I really believe you have a very incorrect idea about what an Obama administration will look like. Your life would remain unchanged.

There is nothing whatsoever to fear.

I'm sorry. I'm just getting paranoid. I'm far from an Obama hater.

I'm glad to hear you have a level-headed liberal view as opposed to a far-left one that Patrick carries. *He* was the guy that kept saying "once Obama is elected, Fixed News will be shut down" or however he would put it.
Believe me, I may have my paranoid moments, but I'm not scared of an Obama administration. He could turn out to be a great President with a center-to-moderate left record. Bring it on. :-)

There is no need to characterize one as an "Obama hater," and still be confident in one's opinion, and to support such conjecture with facts, that he would make, at least at a minimum, a horrible and failed executive or, at worse, radically change our political and economic systems into abominations. Victor Davis Hanson has an excellent summation of such a conclusion today:

http://tinyurl.com/53eynn

His best observation:

"since everything from the faux-seal with its vero possumus pretensions, the Greek temple backdrops, the efforts to speak at the Brandenburg Gate, the mantra 'we are the change we've been waiting for,' the messianic idea that the seas and planet will likewise heel to His wisdom, and the inane 'hope and change' banalities do not suggest real wisdom at all, but a dazzling veneer that overlays a great deal of megalomania."

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As I have been saying for months since Obama defeated Clinton in Iowa, his message, character and personality are unique for their abundant arrogance and pretense....This is not a good thing in a leader.

Megalomania in our current political system usually just results in a failed leader thrown into the dustbin of history.....let's hope that is the worst things that happens.

Mike C.

Don't stop commenting. There is a lot of good stuff on this thing. I wouldn't worry too much about a detailed recap. There are enough people involved that the important BS he spouts will get out here anyway. Beyond that the dialogue is generally pretty good and kind of fun. The only part that troubles me sometimes is postings that are kind of demogogic but when issue is taken all of a sudden the same people go right to the jugular. But that is why we are a free country.

You are "mad" at someone for "attacking" someone who has made a career out of visciously attacking anyone and everyone he finds distasteful.

by mikeh

I thought you liked olbermahn? You're finally seeing the light of the right!

The king of misquoters strikes again at 8:16 PM.

There is something disturbing about someone who won't or can't admit making a mistake.

Paraphrasing Obama: Even though I opposed the surge and even though I said it wouldn't work and even though I said it would probably make things worse and even though while it was going on I declared that it had failed, and even though when Ray Charles could have seen that the surge had worked and I said "Who woulda' thunk it?"....
I WASN'T WRONG!

"there is something disturbing about someone who won't or can't admit making a mistake.".......You must be referring to McCains vote along with his disturbing giddiness to go into Iraq.

"PALLIN AROUND WITH A TERRORIST":

"My government is my wost enemy. I'm going to fight them with any means at hand.".....Joe Vogler - the founder of the Alaskan Independance Movement (AIM).

- Todd Palin was a member of this organization for 7 years.

- Sarah Palin gave a shout out to the AIM earlier this year while Governor of Alaska.

- AIM chairwoman Lynette Clark on Governor Sarah Palin:....."She's Alaskan to the bone ... she's just like Joe Vogler."

Talk about throwing stones in glass houses!

A "shout out" to McCain's "judgement"!

AIP

Well, maybe not level-headed. I'll at least say you're moderate-to-not-quite-far-left.

Ultimately, I ended up learning about the fact that he had engaged in this reprehensible act 40 years ago, but I was eight years old at the time and I assumed that he had been rehabilitated," Obama, 2008

'"'I don't regret setting bombs,' Bill Ayers said. 'I feel we didn't do enough.'" NEW YORK TIMES 9/11/01 http://tinyurl.com/4tb7wd

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Ah, Barack Obama giving a fellow radical leftist the benefit of the doubt, how quaint! What a wonderful example of leadership and judgement!

MikeH compares an admitted anti-America terrorist, who actually participated in the murder of Americans, to an organization never accused of terrorism or murder....What a stretch.....and a strawman.

MikeH overlooks Mr. Ayers continued hatred of America on 9/11/01 while Obama believed he was "rehabilitated!" What an obvious illustration of weakness and lack of integrity. I suppose such good judgement is a quality not appreciated by blind ideologues!

Also, MikeH is woefully distracted from the fact that Obama has been inconsistant in his characterization of his relationship with Ayers.....Ayers was a "friend," to just a guy in his neighborhood all the while there is a long documented record of Obama closely working with Ayers on education policy AND had Ayers as a close supporter early in his political career.....Why is Obama being inconsistant?

This is the issue....Obama is dancing around the truth regarding his true relationship with the terrorist who was gleeful about his radical leftist activities as the rubble of the WTC was still burning. Ayers and Obama have similar worldviews regarding their acceptance of leftist philosophy and "blame America first." While people were dying on 9/11, the Obama supporter and fellow traveler in Chicago politics was obviously not rehabilitated and Obama admits such an error in judgement only over 7 years later! Yeah, I believe Obama like I believe him with his lame explaination regarding his over 5 years of silence over Reverand Wright's obvious racism and hatred.....

Silence means something....speaking out only when confronted with the truth is very telling of a person's character, integrity and true beliefs. Presidents with these flaws fail, or worse, create a country that is radically different from the good and free society it once was.

Partisanship will be needed to thwart such a radical leader. I don't think we have seen ANYTHING yet in regards to the big divide in our country. These next 4 weeks, and perhaps the next 4 years, will be highly caustic and everything will be confronted with a partisan bias. What a shame.

And I gladly use Mr. Krauthammer's excellent points totay regarding the hypocrisy of people like MikeH who are willing to overlook Obama's choice of friends and supporters of the radical anti-America leftwing while citing Republican's connections with anyone from the rightwing.....

"Obama's political career was launched with Ayers giving him a fundraiser in his living room. If a Republican candidate had launched his political career at the home of an abortion-clinic bomber -- even a repentant one -- he would not have been able to run for dogcatcher in Podunk. And Ayers shows no remorse. His only regret is that he 'didn't do enough.'

"Why are these associations important? Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Or shares Wright's angry racism or Ayers's unreconstructed 1960s radicalism?

"No. But that does not make these associations irrelevant. They tell us two important things about Obama.

"First, his cynicism and ruthlessness. He found these men useful, and use them he did. Would you attend a church whose pastor was spreading racial animosity from the pulpit? Would you even shake hands with -- let alone serve on two boards with -- an unrepentant terrorist, whether he bombed U.S. military installations or abortion clinics?

"Most Americans would not, on the grounds of sheer indecency. Yet Obama did, if not out of conviction then out of expediency. He was a young man on the make, an unknown outsider working his way into Chicago politics. He played the game with everyone, without qualms and with obvious success.

"Obama is not the first politician to rise through a corrupt political machine. But he is one of the rare few to then have the audacity to present himself as a transcendent healer, hovering above and bringing redemption to the 'old politics' -- of the kind he had enthusiastically embraced in Chicago in the service of his own ambition.

"Second, and even more disturbing than the cynicism, is the window these associations give on Obama's core beliefs. He doesn't share the Rev. Wright's poisonous views of race nor Ayers's views, past and present, about the evil that is American society. But Obama clearly did not consider these views beyond the pale. For many years he swam easily and without protest in that fetid pond.

"Until now. Today, on the threshold of the presidency, Obama concedes the odiousness of these associations, which is why he has severed them. But for the years in which he sat in Wright's pews and shared common purpose on boards with Ayers, Obama considered them a legitimate, indeed unremarkable, part of social discourse.

"Do you? Obama is a man of first-class intellect and first-class temperament. But his character remains highly suspect. There is a difference between temperament and character. Equanimity is a virtue. Tolerance of the obscene is not."

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The radical left is filled with people who think like Ayers....and this base is who Obama has risen from and to whom he panders. It is a legitimate and valid reason to not vote for him and those accusing voters of racism, because they consider such facts as important, are wrong.

And if MikeH even tries to say I did not totally destroy his naieve and incomplete argument regarding linking Obama's friendship with the proud anti-America terrorist Ayers to Palin associations with the peaceful rightwing group, AIP, let's look here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQsYzBlXK6M

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Here are these two active supporters, fellow leftists and close asscoiates of Obama at the time publically expressing their militancy on TV and Obama thought they were, "rehabilitated."

Rehabilitated. Obama's own words just yesterday. This has nothing to do with the actual acts of these two radical leftists when Obama was 8 years old....It has to do with Obama's dishonest maneuvering regarding his relationship with these two AND his defense of their ideology which seems to be his own.

Rehabilitated?

VERO POSSUMUS!

Oh, and let's see what MikeH thinks of this latest gem from another mainstream Obama supporter, the good Reverand Louis Farrakhan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OowxMcVTjTE

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Where did the messianic imagery and themes originate? Has Barack Obama dabbled in such imagery and thematics? Is this common for US Presidential candidates? Is this really something we all want in the top executive poistion of our secular Constitutional Republic? A religious figure?

Sorry, as a common sense American I want a humble and competant servant in the executive office, not a pretentious, arrogant missionary supported by radicals.

How about you?

Nice smears Cee, but what about Palin's undeniable ties to a right wing seccesionist movement with a history of inciting violence?.....What about McCain's ties to a convicted criminal who has done jail time for his part in the last economic crisis?.....What about McCain's ties to a terrorist who shot a doctor?.....What about that witch doctor shown on video with his hand on Palin's shoulder exorcising witches from her body?.....What about an active, republican initiated investigation into Palin's obvious abuses of power?.....What about two proven liars (McCain and Palin), who keep hypocritically calling Obama a liar?.....what about the fact that the board that both Ayers and Obama served on was financed by a conservative friend of Reagan?......Why would this conservative allow a "terrorist" to serve on his board?

You see, everyone has a few closet skeletons.....even you.....especially you if you try to tar them with someone they may have merely associated with at one time, or tar them with anyone who might happen to support them. If guilt by vague associations is all you have, then you prove that you have nothing but smears. By your side's absurd logic, you and I must be friends because it can be proven that we have communicated.

The absurditiy of this argument is manestifested in the fact that the more you attempt to smear someone's vague ASSOCIATIONS, the more it becomes clear to anyone with a brain that works that you have nothing to smear about the person.

ANother problem with your continuing guilt by association SMEARS is that in order to make them relevant, you have to to tell a practical minded public that there is some reason that they should be alarmed about something they can see are nothing but personal SMEARS.....and fortunately, in this case, the smearer is looking worse than the smeared. You are also guilty of trying to tar a man by pointing to fringe elements who just happen to support him, something else that you know perfectly well could easily be done by both sides.

In order to successfully make a case like this, you are banking on a VERY stupid American Electorate to help you do it. therefore, if McCain wins, it will be taken as proof by the entire world of the gullibility, stupidity, and fearfulness of the American People....and what a shame that would be for all of us! I want better than that for my country!

The more you bring up Ayers and his ilk, the more this non-issue will be put under the magnifying glass.....and the more the public will come to understand that there really is nothing here of concern.

McCain, a man we once considered honorable, has now sacrificed all of his honor to try to get elected president. Somebody forgot to tell him that honor can be lost, as well as gained. If he somehow does smear his way into the presidency, he will begin his term with at least half of an electorate that detests the very sight of him for pulling the greatest office into the world down into the mud with him.

In addition to his loss of honor, McCain has now shown himself to be a coward,......because if you can't smear a man to his face while giving him a fair chance to respond, but will gleefully do it behind his back, then what can you call yourself BUT a coward?

Unfortunately for you Cee...if McCain wins, you will have exactly what you say you don.t want - "a pretentious, arrogant missionary supported by radicals", so tell me where is the common sense in that?

Cee, McCain has proven he has no honor and he is a coward.....and so the only avenue you have to deny this is to lie about it yourself.

You don't HAVE to go down this road....no honorable person would.....but you will!

Ah, lots of words for a strawman argument. Once again, all refuted with the simple observation that Obama has been inconsistent on his history with Ayers. Also, all refuted by the simple observation that Obama never distanced himself from the hate-filled fringe until he was confronted with the record in a political campaign.

John McCain has been a right of center Republican his entire career. There is a record to show his ideology. Obama is the far left candidate and his close relationship with Bill Ayers is only part of the evidence. His votes on taxes, abortion, gun laws, and judiciary nominees shows a very liberal pol. Obama's behavior during this campaign and the messianic themes and imagery has been his, and supported by such nice people like Reverand Farakhan.....so once again I challenge MikeH to defend stating McCain would be a, "pretentious, arrogant missionary supported by radicals." Where is the evidence of that possibility?

Please MikeH.....Show me evidence of Senator Obama's moderate political ideology. Please show me evidence that McCain is pretentious and arrogant. Oh, and while you are at it, please show me the evidence that the AIP has committed acts of terrorism. I can give you many references to Ayers' admitted crimes. I can also show you that Obama had NEVER denounced Ayers until the democrat Presidential Primary. Why, MikeH? And is Hillary Clinton a dishonorable woman for bringing up Ayers?

Oh wait, wait, wait....Obama now wants to change his statement yesterday about believing Ayers was rehabilitated.....

"Obama [spokesman] Bill Burton says of Obama's comment that he thought Ayers had been 'rehabilitated': 'Senator Obama was referring to his education work but he of course does not believe that work absolves him of the despicable acts that he committed 40 years ago.'"

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Um, ok....thanks for clearing that up Senator....That response begs the question, What would absolve someone from such despicable acts?

By cee on October 10, 2008 1:34 PM

You said "Please" three times. And I know your just waiting to say, "Thank you."

Chirp, chirp.......chirp................ribbet..........

Funny clip.... that being said, Levin is a nasal tool/

Cee on Obama: "and supported by nice people like Reverand Farakhan".......

The problem you have with advancing a red herring like this is the fact that Farakhan would obviously support ANY center-to-left candidate against ANY right-of-center candidate.
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Cee stepping in it just a little bit further: "So once again I challenge MikeH to defend stating that McCain would be a, "pretentious, arrogant missionary supported by radicals.".........

I really don't have much to "defend" here because all I did is take you characterization of Obama and insert the word McCain. If you could seriously argue that hate groups such as the KKK and Nazi sympathyzers don't support McCain over Obama, then your Farakhan argument might have had some merit, but you can't.

The difference between MikeH's theoretical neonazi support for McCain and the real (see video above) Nation of Islam support for Obama is the similar messianic characterizations, imagery and thematics both Obama and Farrakhan use in describing his political mission. This is MISSING in the McCain rhetoric and, to date, I have seen no KKK leaders pronouncing a movement with McCain as the supreme messiah.

Also, MikeH makes no mention of the adjectives....Arrogance and pretense is a consistant attribure to SNOBamessiah. McCain has remained the self-effacing underdog since cold New Hampshire last year. Tens of millions of Americans will reject the messiah next month, perhaps enough to deny him the office, who really knows for sure, but for MikeH to dismiss such opinion as foolish or wrongheaded only shows the arrogance and self-prescribed superiority that has infected all of Obama's campaign and supporters.

John McCain has been no less honorable or viscious than SNOBamessiah. However, SNOBamessiah has been ready to accept the supernatural aura his potential victory is expected to shine on the world. Cults of personality crumble and cause much destruction as inevitable power corruption and lack of self reflection infest the leader and those supporting him/her. No religious memes have come out from the right side of this debate surrounding their candidate, only the radical left and their representative seem comfortable with the level of certitude and personal devotion developing over a figure only on the national stage for a little over 4 years and with much of his biography still a secret.

A recipe for disaster.

Lastly, McCain's theme has been populist reform and bipartisan correction of poliical corruption. These are familiar, typical American political themes surrounding Presidential candidates.

Compare that imagery to the imagery generated by the Obama campaign and that over-reaching rhetoric of his far left base. Religiosity pervades throughout and this is not an attractive or even safe message if history is our guide. McCain has not taken on some mantle of destiny or godly fortitude. He has only displayed a deep sense of patriotism, willingness to serve and integrity that is basic to American campaigns. The high clerical rhetoric of Obama will, at best, only wear thin and mismatch the failures awaiting him if he garners his four years of power, or, at worst, will allow a very radical economic and political movement unchecked powers that will alter millions of lives for the worst.