Jeez. What a mess. Sorry you had to get involved, but understand why. Not a lawyer, but isn't there an ordinance or something about filing a false claim to the authorities? That guy ought to be hung.

Gun sales are up 900% in Ohio. Is there a message here?
I received a call from Southern California on Saturday from one of my best friends out there. He and his wife are extremely worried that for the first time in their lives, they went gun shopping and bought 2 new handguns and 2 rifles. Along woth their words to me, they are also planning to take their losses and sell and move, most probable to where we live. The racial overtones and fear that is going on out in So. Cal. is getting worse by the minute. This country is going in shambles, and after the messiah gets sworn in on the koran..... your guess is as good as mine.

"and after the messiah gets sworn in on the Koran...."

You can't fix stupid!

MikeH just can't take a joke.
Come January, we will prove you and your messiah wrong mikeH. So far, he's already rebuking what he told his followers and has the nation in termoil, and he hasn't even been sworn in yet.
Yeah mikeH, you definately can't fix stupid can you. Wake up and smell the coffee, or in your case, the hot chocolate.

It is illegal to file a false police report. I have FOIL'd the police report and will look at filing a complaint against the principal.

By MikeH on November 10, 2008 7:38 AM
"and after the messiah gets sworn in on the Koran...."
You can't fix stupid!

Hey MikeH, we FINALLY agree on something. How else can you explain why millions (NOT thousands), but MILLIONS of people voted for obama, with reasons that even a 5th grader would find hard to believe:

"who cares about his past" (even if his *past* was only months before the election) "we all have a past, but he said he'll change our future"

"Obama has to be voted for. Do you think I'm going to vote for some guy that got crippled in a prison camp" (Excerpt from *supposedly* the best sports writer in NY...Mike Lupica..who all of a sudden decided He knows what's best for this country)

"He's speaks so elequently"

"Of COURSE I'm voting for obama! He's not afraid to bomb Pakistan to get Bin Laden, and he'll sit down with Ahmadinejad and get him to like us"

"...so because he is black you are voting for him? Any other reason why you're voting for him"...and he replied..."That's reason enough!"

...and MILLIONS of more *smart* replies like these got him elected, although the MOST popular responses to the question I've heard are these 2 gems:

"because he said so..." and..."he speaks so good" (sic)

Yeah, MikeH we finally agree on something, but before you go throwing stones at SoCalRightest (who OBVIOUSLY said it in jest, while probably also thinking that obama's ties to everything radical was what he really meant) I think you should sit down with the millions of morons that voted for obama for the reasons I stated above, and relate your statement to them...You can't fix stupid!

No Wolverine, we agree on absolutely NOTHING! I pray that I never become as close-minded as you are.

I was one of those Americans who wondered how a majority of Americans could have been so stupid four years ago, but I wasn't asshole enough to personally insult more than half the population on a public blog the way you just did.

You're so damned quick to insult other Americans you disagree with, while giving the benefit of any doubt to someone like SoCal, who just called the new President-Elect a liar, and already has a rather lengthy history of posting other stupid and insulting comments he can't back possibly up, but it turns out that YOU'RE also unwilling to sheath your long knives now that the democratic proscess has run it's course, ..... just the way our forefathers intended ...... just because you don't like the results.

This is really pretty pathetic coming from someone who vowed to support whatever choice America ultimately made.

So you want to have a pissing match about the definition of "stupid"? ......OK......Here are a few other examples:

1) - "Stupid" is stereotyping an entire electorate with the reasoning of a few individuals that you deem to be inane, while ignoring the FACT that voting out of stupidity and misinformation is always an offsetting component of both sides of ANY election.

2) - "Stupid" is coming to the defense of someone who OBVIOUSLY said something very stupid while assuming that he did it in "jest". The sad fact is that a substantial percentage of voters actually believe the man is Muslim.

3) - "Stupid" is calling an entire electorate "morons" while having no history of your own to demonstrate why you are somehow smarter than they are.

Now since you like this game so much, lets air some insulting stereotypes about voters from my side:

1) - "Stupid" is coming to the defense of a VP candidate who soundly demonstrated her own incompetence on the national stage with EVERY single public appearance.

2) - "Stupid" is ignoring the erratic performance of a presidential candidate who could not control his own campaign, displayed a shoot-from-the-hip style, made major decisions without sufficient information, and flubbed his only major executive decision when choosing a running mate.
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3) - "Stupid" is judging someone's character based on whether on not he sat on a board with someone, even though the board in question was republican funded and many republicans sat on the same board. BTW...WIlliam Ayers has now broken his silence and has stated that he didn't know Obama particularly well and knew thousands of others just as well.

4) - "Stupid" is assuming that just because someone suffered for his country, he is owed the presidency, or that it somehow qualifies him for it.

5) - "Stupid" is assuming that more experience in one aspect of government somehow qualifies a candidate for an entirely different aspect of government.

6) - "Stupid" is thinking you can pick and choose which form of "experience" is qualification enough, while ignoring the mountains of contrary evidence of intelligence, education, pragmatism, temperment, charisma, and steadiness.

7) - "Stupid" would have been picking a candidate who based his entire campaign on baseless character attacks while offering no compelling reason that he was any better. On the contrary, those very character attacks showed that he WAS worse!

8) - "Stupid" would have been remaining oblivious to the FACT that Obama COULD have easily mounted a relentless character attack on McCain based on "associations" if he had so chosen to do so. There certainly was plenty of ammunition available. Thank God for the sake of civility that ONE of the candidates showed some class and restraint!

9) - "Stupid" would have been picking the candidate who was last in his class over the one who was first in his class.


And finally Wolverine, "stupid" is assuming that anyone in a free society that disagrees with how you think are "morons".

I think it's high time that you and SoCal honor your pledge to support the new elected president and stop calling him and his supporters names, ...... at least until you have given him sufficient time to have merited your disdain!

Now, now...We know how MikeH responds as a church of SNOBamessiah fanatic when anyone speaks ill of the leader!

Just like as many of the church's zealots pursue having a national holiday in Obama's honor, (despite the fact that the only President so honored in our history was George Washington, with Lincoln only included in the generic "Presidents Day"), MikeH needs his time of euphoria....let him have it now as the romantic and immature clash with the needs of real demands and leadership in the near future.

The minority of the electorate who did vote for Obama are like MikeH....thank goodness.

Cee: "SNOBamessiah": How long are you going to keep calling our new president chaildish names like "SNOBmessiah", while simultaineously calliing yourself a patriot?

I call it downright "un-american", to borrow one of your own favorite put-downs!

"How long are you going to keep calling our new president chaildish names like "SNOBmessiah", while simultaineously calliing yourself a patriot?"

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When the church of SNOBamessiah no longer exists, MikeH. I am very pessimistic that such an event can occur in our immature, celebrity-obsessed, cult-of-personality loving, and very polarized country, but miracles can still happen.

I am a patriot because I do not worship or respect a man, I respect and honor our country's Constitution. No where in our Constituion does it require the citizen to fall prostrate to any President. I fear that many have joined a religious movement that is neither needed or healthy. Thankfully, the Constituion has checks and balances to stop such idiocy.

So the church of SNOBamessiah must be monitored and derided for the excesses already seen, and the leader is not even in office! Their blind followers, like you, are both HUMORLESS and logical...all the more amusing.

VERO POSSUMUS!

Oh, that should be HUMORLESS and ILLOGICAL....of course and my previous entry before should have read, "The minority of the electorate who did vote for Obama are NOT like MikeH....thank goodness."

Again, being that MikeH is both humorless and illogical......

VERO POSSUMUS!

By MikeH on November 10, 2008 1:39 PM

Well since you are the professor of what is and is not stupid, and to what is and is not close-mindedness I will have to respond to these stupid examples...

No Wolverine, we agree on absolutely NOTHING! I pray that I never become as close-minded as you are... *My close-mindedness (if that's what you think it is) only started AFTER I saw how close-minded the hippies were during the sixties. With their self righteous rants about being *open-minded* were the LAST thing they cared about. If you wore clean clothes or (GOD FORBID!) anything different than what they wore you were branded a fascist or a weirdo...If you supported the soldiers who went to Viet Nam then you were anti-American...If you didn't use, as in drugs, you were branded un-hip...If you loved your country, then you were an asshole...If you supported free enterprize and capitalism you were branded an asshole (even though I could only afford a bike in those days while these same *open-minded* hypocrites drove to school in their *capitalistic* parents Mercedes')

If you had the nerve to stand up to about 500 raving *open-minded* cowards as they tried to tear down the American flag for no other reason except that they knew the odds were on their side, and figured no one would stop them (which I did with 3 other guys, as these *open-minded cowards ran from the thought of a confrontation) then you were branded a fascist.

If you liked your hair short then these *open-minded" hypocrites branded you * the establishment* (even though their families had 3 times the amount of money my family did)

If you judged any black by his character, and NOT by the color of his skin you were branded a racist even though almost all of these same *open-minded* hypocrites had never even seen a black up close while I lived among them...

Now for some more *fun*...

I was one of those Americans who wondered how a majority of Americans could have been so stupid four years ago, but I wasn't asshole enough to personally insult more than half the population on a public blog the way you just did....

Umm? You have and you do almost every time you make a statement here...

You're so damned quick to insult other Americans you disagree with, while giving the benefit of any doubt to someone like SoCal, who just called the new President-Elect a liar,...*not in his statement that you responded to*... and already has a rather lengthy history of posting other stupid and insulting comments he can't back possibly up...*he's backed everyone of them up, but then again you are the professor when it comes to that word again...stupid...so how could I argue that point*..., but it turns out that YOU'RE also unwilling to sheath your long knives now that the democratic proscess has run it's course, ..... just the way our forefathers intended ...... just because you don't like the results...*again, I was talking about WHY he got elected, and not to how I will react to him AFTER he gets in*

This is really pretty pathetic coming from someone who vowed to support whatever choice America ultimately made....*I will in public, unlike the many anti-Americans (olbermann, olbermann, etc.)who tried all they could to shoot down President Bush while we were in a war. Commenting here is like a diary, and will no way effect how the people feel about the new president, but outside I have already stated that we must give him a chance as he will come January be the President of the United States of America, and for that I am proud. In other words professor, I am proud to be an American, and since obama WILL be the president of America then I will also be proud every time I see or hear him do anything for America or when he represents America. Again, unlike the many anti-Americans who never stopped berating Bush as if he was a president from another country*

So you want to have a pissing match about the definition of "stupid"? ......OK......Here are a few other examples:

1) - "Stupid" is stereotyping an entire electorate with the reasoning of a few individuals...*a few is putting in mildly, because as a whole I'd say I spoke to over 100 and maybe 2, that's right...TWO (2)...came up with fair arguments as to why they voted for obama*... that you deem to be inane, while ignoring the FACT that voting out of stupidity and misinformation is always an offsetting component of both sides of ANY election....* Yes professor, but just how "offsetting" was the voting in this election, and to how much damage will this "offsetting" be?

2) - "Stupid" is coming to the defense of someone who OBVIOUSLY said something very stupid while assuming that he did it in "jest"...*I wrote my response before he even replied to you even though the times won't show it, as it was pretty obvious he was jesting, but then again you have tapped the corner on that word again...stupid... so what do I know*... The sad fact is that a substantial percentage of voters actually believe the man is Muslim....*why is it sad, when the mans father was, and who can really tell how the man thinks inside, but more importantly for an "open-minded" guy like you why should it matter what the mans religion is?*

3) - "Stupid" is calling an entire electorate "morons" while having no history of your own to demonstrate why you are somehow smarter than they are....*Well you got me there MikeH, as I'm sure I over stated that comment, but again I can ONLY go by my own experience's in this matter, as opposed to actually going with what some people do, which is to go by what they "want" to hear*

Now since you like this game so much, lets air some insulting stereotypes about voters from my side:

1) - "Stupid" is coming to the defense of a VP candidate who soundly demonstrated her own incompetence on the national stage with EVERY single public appearance....*I think a lot of what the far left did was not only to go at her for some of her incompetent statements, but they did it with a vicious glee that I hadn't seen since the demonstrators of the Viet Nam war spit on our returning troops. Very "open-minded" I would have to say from the left, wouldn't you MikeH? And, let's not get into generalizing MikeH with the "EVERY single public appearance" quote, as we know that would make you close-minded and we can't have that now can we professor?*

2) - "Stupid" is ignoring the erratic performance of a presidential candidate who could not control his own campaign, displayed a shoot-from-the-hip style, made major decisions without sufficient information, and flubbed his only major executive decision when choosing a running mate....*Good statement there MikeH, and I too would have to admit he blew it too, but to ignore the background of obama and his lack of experience could make someone stupid too, although I'm not the professor when it comes to that word....But, then again this is YOU saying it, and only 2 of the over 100 I spoke to said about the same thing*
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3) - "Stupid" is judging someone's character based on whether on not he sat on a board with someone, even though the board in question was republican funded and many republicans sat on the same board...*Or stupid could be that people even when faced with this dilemma by their holiness were in denial, but then again I would be stupid and close-minded to even suggest something as blasphemous as that!*... BTW...WIlliam Ayers has now broken his silence and has stated that he didn't know Obama particularly well and knew thousands of others just as well....*Oh yeah, and this is a guy I would want on the witness stand defending my character*...

4) - "Stupid" is assuming that just because someone suffered for his country, he is owed the presidency, or that it somehow qualifies him for it....*That is true, that many a person probably based their decision to vote for McCain because of his heroic's during the Viet Nam war, as from who I spoke to (Damn! Here I go again bringing up my own personal experiences...stupid I know MikeH...sorry...) they had nothing else to go on except for that and his experience in the senate as opposed to obama's background and inexperience*

5) - "Stupid" is assuming that more experience in one aspect of government somehow qualifies a candidate for an entirely different aspect of government....*Good spin there. I LOVED this one!*

6) - "Stupid" is thinking you can pick and choose which form of "experience" is qualification enough, while ignoring the mountains of contrary evidence of intelligence,...* well I got my intelligence not from going to college, but from what I was BORN with (an IQ consistently rated between 145-150, but I have to admit I probably don't "speak" as well in public as the president elect* education,...*I know plenty, I mean PLENTY of people who went to college, but that didn't make them smarter or more aware of what's going on than the one's who didn't go. If they weren't told what to study for, they never picked up a book*... pragmatism, temperment, charisma, and steadiness....*Again, he's a good speaker and carries himself well, but how that translates into doing what's best for this country remains to be seen. Yes, I guess I should be labeled stupid for thinking that a mans past means more than all the above. Right professor?*...

7) - "Stupid" would have been picking a candidate who based his entire campaign on baseless character attacks...*well actually, if it was any other time in our country where people didn't give unfair allowances because of the color of ones skin these "baseless character attacks" you speak of would have had the man not even win the senator's seat none-the-less the presidency*...while offering no compelling reason that he was any better...*Your opinion Mike, and only your blind opinion*... On the contrary, those very character attacks showed that he WAS worse!...*Sorry again MikeH, but to NOT bring up this mans sorry and regretful past, and to NOT bring it to the forefront as obama was running for the most important job in the world would have been un-American. Frankly, I feel he didn't do enough because with a lot of the things obama said in the past they were certainly not in tune with how true Americans think and believe*

8) - "Stupid" would have been remaining oblivious to the FACT that Obama COULD have easily mounted a relentless character attack on McCain based on "associations" if he had so chosen to do so....*"Plenty to you, but I believe obama knew the stupidity of the American public, and enough so, that he knew that if he attacked McCain with any lies (unlike his opponent who only spoke the truth) that he would have lost. He knew the people when faced with indisputable truths about him (obama) that they really didn't care because he "sold" them on his speeches and could speak well. Reminded me of what the jurors said about Johnny Cochran after the OJ trial where they were in "awe" about how well Cochran spoke, and quite obviously couldn't care less to whether or not Simpson did it* There certainly was plenty of ammunition available. Thank God for the sake of civility that ONE of the candidates showed some class and restraint!...*Yeah, he was so classy he didn't bring up the war record of this hero, and restrained himself to never comparing their philosophies on what they have said about America in the past*

9) - "Stupid" would have been picking the candidate who was last in his class over the one who was first in his class....*Well, I never knew it was how one did in school as the basis of who to vote for in a presedential election. I heard Saddam Hussein was the best in his class too*

And finally Wolverine, "stupid" is assuming that anyone in a free society that disagrees with how you think are "morons"....*Never said that, as it was only my judgment from the people I spoke to personally*

I think it's high time that you and SoCal honor your pledge to support the new elected president and stop calling him and his supporters names, ...*I will support him, and I gurantee you 100% MORE than all the anti-Americans who absolutely jumped for joy anytime any Americans died in Iraq*... at least until you have given him sufficient time to have merited your disdain!..*I truthfully hope and pray (I know very close-minded of me to actually believe in religion) that there aren't many things that I will disdain about him. I'm on his side now. He's my president...*

One of Cee's major crutches" "Again being that MikeH is both humorless and illogical."

Your problem is that the only way you can understand humor is if that humor happens to belittle an ideological opponant. However, when said humor goes in the opposite direction, you fail to even recognize it as "humor" anymore.

True humor works BOTH ways Cee, and until you grasp that basic fact of life, you would do well to steer clear of the subject.

As for me being "illogical"....that in itself is an illogical statement. I worked my former profession in an engineering background. There us a funny thing about engineering - it is based on PURE logic! There is no guesswork.....there is no process of elimination to determine outcomes (as is often the case in medicine)....and the math never lies (that is why I won every tax argument that we had).

Try again, Mr. "un-american" patriot!

MikeH, the simple fact that you defend Keith Olbermann, find him informative and reasonable, totally destroys your reputation for being logical.

MikeH, you have shown yourself to be absolutely incredulous that anyone could make the slightest dig at your messiah. Your devotion has rendered you unable to laugh at the excesses and silliness that has arisen from the movement that is hope 'n change.

That Barack Obama national holiday pass the democrat congress yet?

Oh and that old tax argument dodge?.....again, you may have the delusion you won that argument, but that is common among the zealots that are involved in the church of SNOBamessiah.....I understand. I chuckle everytime you go back to that canard as a crutch in avoiding difficult subjects, I guess this time makes it about the 25th time.

Again, I look back on my time here at Olbermannwatch and remember how the Iraq war was going to end like Vietnam, with Bush defeated, even impeached, indicted and put in prison for war crimes....Olbermann the brave voice of these predictions with the left moonbats like MikeH following in lock-step behind him......

And now, SNOBamessiah shakes hands with the evil BUSH at The White House....Mmmm....where is that Olbermann logical and wisdom?

Cee: "MikeH, the simple fact that you defend Keith Olbermann, find him informative and reasonable, totally destoys your reputation for being logical."

The truth is that I've spent very little time or effort 'defending' Keith Olbermann on this blog. Yes, I have sometimes taken exception when someone like SoCal says something as utterly ridiculous as "Olbermann lies 99.5% of the time". That said, I find a lot of pundits from a lot of different sources to be somewhat "informative", including KO, because anyone can learn something from anybody.....even you Cee!
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Cee: "MikeH, you have shown yourself to be absolutely incredulous that anyone could make the slightest dig at your messiah."

The problem is that when you call ANY man 'my messiah', you are making a direct dig at ME, and NOT the one you are calling "your messiah". Every time you use words like that, you are intentionally insulting anyone and everyone who is glad that another republican will no longer occupy the White House. In short, you keep confusing insulting a leader with insulting those who just happen to like that leader.
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Cee: "That Barack Obama national holiday pass the democrat congress yet?"

And how you love to find outlying opinions that never represent the norm and pretend that they do. Is that your idea of another "joke"?
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Cee: "and that old tax argument dodge?"

The only one who 'dodged' the (those) argument (s) is you. You can't run away from an argument and pretend that you didn't lose it.
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Cee: "Again, I look back on my time here at Olbermannwatch and remember how the Iraq war was going to end like Vietnam."

The Iraq war was never going to "end like Vietnam", because it is a different war, at a different time, in a different place with a different culture. The only common denominator between the two wars was us sticking our nose in someone else's internal affairs where it doesn't belong and having it bitten off. That said, you have no evidence that Iraq is going to end "well" now......not as far as our OWN best interests are concerned. I happen to believe that Iranian domination where it wasn't before is not is not a 'good' ending, and that is exactly where it is headed....just like in 2006. The only thing that has changed is the violence levels....and you can't prove that would not have happened anyway! Things can, and will change almost instantaneously in the Middle East, and we can't stay there forever and babysit just to make sure it doesn't.
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Try again, Mr "un-american" patriot!

"I happen to believe that Iranian domination where it wasn't before is not is not a 'good' ending, and that is exactly where it is headed....just like in 2006."

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MikeH, please give me evidence that this is indeed the case. Also, please address the issue of Al Queda's decreasing influence in Iraq and their decrease in influence of the Iraq Sunni. Could this have happened if the violence did not decline as a result of the surge which even SNOBamessiah even admitted was true.

Come now MikeH, show he evidence of your claim that Iran is the dominant force in Iraq and that the Iraqis themselves, whether Shia, Sunni, or Kurd, are not actually forging their own destiny in democracy and freedom. PRESENTLY. Who knows what will happen once the church of SNOBamessiah has control over our foreign policy and our enemies react to such stupidity after January.

You can't....It is your OPINION and about worth as much as your OPINION regarding increasing tax burdens on the American people under Obama as compared to Bush.

And being the biggest Olbermann defender this site has ever seen is well documented in the archives....I was just reading some exchanges between you and J$ back in 2007.....what a nice drive down memory lane.

Cee, I can give you every bit as much evidence as you can give me. The evidence is in the daily news and the history of the region.

I could ask you the same thing: Show me the evidence that Iraq is a stable democracy that can stand on it's own without our help, and keep it's Shia dominated government free of influence from Iran while standing on it's own?

I think We're going to find out eventually, but no matter what happens after we leave, we need to keep out of it.

Hey MikeH the meathead, where do you get off telling someone that Quote "I think it's high time that you and SoCal honor your pledge to support the new elected president and stop calling him and his supporters names, ...... at least until you have given him sufficient time to have merited your disdain! ?
Who in the HELL do you think you are? Where does it say that I should honor my pledge ( I never pledged to honor a commie) and support the new president? That's like YOU telling Olbermann that he should have supported Bush, yeah that will never happen. MikeH, you have got to be one of the most idiotic left wing nutjobs I have ever blogged against.

Yes MikeH, you could ask me the same thing, and that's a cop-out.

Al Queda has retreated from Iraq and a fact that the left, and the leader of the church, like to ignore. Now, as the Iraq security forces take over more and more areas, something that would not have occurred if we had retreated in 2006 as SNOBamessiah demanded, the left changes the definition of victory to an amorphous "Iran free zone."

C O P - O U T.

Does Iran have influence in Israel, in the Palestinian terrirtories?

Does this mean we should abandon Israel to fend for themselves? Do the Israelies want us totally out of their affairs.

Do the moderate Iraqi Shia, moderate Iraqi Sunni and Kurds want NO American help in their country?

Now, if SNOBamessiah withdrawls the troops too quickly and Iran sees the opportunity to destabalize Iraq, you have an excuse. Wow.

Ain't gonna happen.

It is clear that the advancement of freedom and democracy continues WITH the assistance of The United States of America, because Bush and McCain along with other brave Americans (like Joe Lieberman) stood against the losers like you and SNOBamessiah, not DESPITE it as was your prediction along with the rest of the anti-American left, MikeH.

That was your claim in 2006, along with SNOBamessiah. The USA was an occupying force making things worse in Iraq and that increasing the numbers of troops would make it worse....all measures show the opposite of that predictions....there is improvement.....

Violence down.....

Political benchmarks being met......

and now General Petraeus is recommending INCREASING rates of US forces under victory.

So, please....like the tax argument.....try again, church of SNOBamessiah zealot.

Hey MikeH the MEATHEAD, where do you get off telling someone that Quote "I think it's high time that you and SoCal honor your pledge to support the new elected president and stop calling him and his supporters names, ...... at least until you have given him sufficient time to have merited your disdain! ?
Who in the HELL do you think you are? Where does it say that I should honor my pledge ( I never pledged to honor a commie) and support the new president? That's like YOU telling Olbermann that he should have supported Bush, yeah that will never happen. MikeH, you have got to be one of the most idiotic left wing nutjobs I have ever blogged against.

By SoCalRightist on November 10, 2008 7:28 PM

Hey MikeH the MEATHEAD, where do you get off telling someone that Quote "I think it's high time that you and SoCal honor your pledge to support the new elected president and stop calling him and his supporters names, ...... at least until you have given him sufficient time to have merited your disdain! ?

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Yeah.

It's perfectly legitimate to refuse to support Obama based upon his expressed policies.

I don't happen to feel that way towards Obama personally, but I'd never suggest that it was unreasonable or unpatriotic to be adversarial towards ANY elected pol (no matter how recent) whose party platforms and stated positions are contrary to your own.

It's particularly galling to hear it stated otherwise by a guy who spent the last almost eight years implying that any strongly worded defense against critics by the Administration was tantamount to statecraft being employed for scapegoating, slander, and smear.

SoCAL: "I never pledged to support a commie)"

You've never pledged to post anything intelligent either, and that's good, because you certainly would have broken any such pledge.

Cecelia, when you answer a post that wasn't directed at you with a resounding "yeah", exactly what is it that you are are saying "yeah" about? Inquiring minds want to know.

- Are you agreeing with Cee's consistant characterizations of the new President elect as SNOBmessiah?

- Are you defending posters who repeatedly characterize people who never supported a pre-emptive war as "Un-American"?

- Are you agreeing with a certain fanatical right wing poster's logic when he calls Obama a "commie"?

- Are you in agreement that such characterizations are appropriate 65 days before the man has even had a chance to claim the power that was rightfully given to him by 53% of the American people?

There is a significant difference here that makes your analogy rather silly. I never called Bush derogatory names, and I at least gave him time to fail before I criticizing his policies. There is a BIG difference between opposing policy and engaging in ad hominem attacks, and you of all people should understand that.

You may not think much of me, and that is perfectly understandable, but the thought that you would even WANT to ally yourself with serial name calling posters like SoCal, Factor, and Cee is rather revealing to me.

One thing that never changes about you is your willingness to overlook the most mean spirited posts, as long as they are directed at the left.

Cee: "so Please.....like the tax argument......try again church of SNONmessiah zealot."

How quaint! A zealot called me a "zealot"!

Just for MikeH, just when are you going to post anything intelligent? I've kept my pledge all along to be and stay a conservative. I thought your guy Obama was going to bring change? I guess not, he's pulling all of the Clinton people onto his cabinet. That's not change, he should have called it the Hits of the 90's. Yes, YOUR guy Obama really pulled one over on you didn't he? I can't wait for the impeachment signs to go up and it's not even January yet.
Yes MikeH, your party is so intelligent that they have nothing new to bring to the table.
As for mean spirited posts, go cry me a river mikeH, your dribble is just as mean spirited and attacking, so don't give me your crap that you think you're one up ing anyone cause you're not. Wake Up before it's too late.

SOCal: "As for mean spirited posts, go cry me a river MikeH, you dribble is just as mean spirited and attacking.

But I don't say anything on this blog I would not be willing to say to someone's face. By contrast, how many people do you call a 'MEATHEAD" to their face just because they disagree with you? How many do you call a "commie"?

But the bigger problem with your name calling is that you can't back them up. You can call me a "MEATHEAD", but you don't back up such insults with anything but more insults.

Telling someone else to "Wake Up" in conjunction with a taunting post that says absolutely NOTHING only serves to illuminate your own status as a sleep walker. I've yet to see you provide a substantive back-up argument for anything you've posted. So calling someone else a "MEATHEAD" only makes YOU look like the Archie Bunker. Get it?

Also, when you choose to call the president a "commie", all you are doing is accentuating the fact that you don't really understand the meaning OR the history of that word.

Finally SoCal, I have NO problem with anything Obama has done or said up until this point. Change is already here....If you don't understand this yet, you will in due time.

Oh My GOD, I almost fell out of my chair.
But I don't say anything on this blog I would not be willing to say to someone's face. By contrast, how many people do you call a 'MEATHEAD" to their face just because they disagree with you?
Neither do I.
How many people do I call commies?
Only the ones that share the same views with terrorists like Bill Ayres, people who want to sit down and talk with terrorist countries without preconditions.
I can back up anything I put out, my objectivity is no different than yours, I just put names in there to get your attention, whereas you spew your drivel that goes nowhere but are only your beliefs.
When I call the future president (uncapitolized) a commie, that is where you are wrong mikeH. I fully understand the meaning of the word and the history, unfortunately YOU DON'T. Your protectionism of this guy and K.O. are factual over the many months here of you showing your disregard to the REAL facts and not the rip and read that your guy K.O has fed you and your gathering.
Change is already here....If you don't understand this yet, you will in due time.
The only change that I've seen over the past 2 weeks is a country that is in termoil. If you've seen something different MikeH that the majority of us have not, please bring it to our attention, we want to know, cause I haven't seen anything like you are stating here?

No SoCal, you DON'T understand the meaning or the history of the word "commie", or you wouldn't be throwing it around like you are.

In addition, you just used 2 (two) ridiculous campaign talking points and apparently, you REALLY believe that you've made an argument, Lets review:

- "only the ones that share the same views with terrorists like Bill Ayers."

- "people who want to sit down and talk with terrorist countries without preconditions."

Earth to SoCal, the campaign is OVER. Do I REALLY need to knock down those two pieces of talking point idiocy (that were both conceived to appeal to the lowest common intelligence denominator) - again?

Yes you do mikeH, because they are real facts that you don't conceive.Now you take off your mooncap and tinfoil and open that wee bit of a brain that you have and get it straight.
These 2 pieces of information are drastic evidence that obama has no clue as to where he's been or what he's going to do. The people that he hung around with and still does hang with are not impressible people that a president should be known for. So what if the campaign is over, does that mean that old news is history?
Now lets really review.....
You.......zero
Me........Winner

SoCal: "So what if the campaign is over."......That means it's time to shelve brainless talking points that were intended to primarily to impress simple minded and uninformed voters."

SoCal: "You......zero, me......winner": You just love fantasy worlds in which you get to be your own referee, don't you?

SoCal: "These two pieces of information are drastic evidence as to where he's been or what he's going to do.": Actually, the fact that you are still spouting them is "drastic evidence" that you are indeed a simpleton with no business trying to evaluate politics or policy. However, all is not lost.....I'm sure you make a really good Hannity "you're a Great American" follower though.

And MikeH goes down with another sinking ship (AirheadAmerica).
I may be a simpleton mikeH, but where do you come off telling someone that they have no business trying to evaluate politics or policy? Who in the hell do you think you are, the king? MikeH, your bossy, pushing around, thinking you are better than the other guy tactics is what's wrong with you. You are no better than anyone else here on this site. It's obvious that your education is from a school that taught you all wrong, taught you wrong choices, and are still probable a bed wetter.
As for me making a really good Hannity, my responce to you would be that you make a great Rosie Odonnell and that I bet you were one of her best followers and miss her so.
Not to mess with ones religion but, I think your church of messiah has taken you in the wrong direction mikeH.

As a matter of fact SoCal, I dislike O'Donnell almost as much as Hannity because both are bad for the truth. Among other things, Rosie is a known 911 conspiracy theorist, which is as bad or worse than all the hal-truths coming out of Hannity's mouth on his radio show.

You don't seem to even realize that you bring any and all my so-called bossiness on yourself when you spout inane right wing campaign talking points and then condescendingly claim you are 'educating' me. No, I don't think I am "better" than you are, but I am one hell of a lot smarter and better informed than you are, but that's not really saying much (Again, this remark applies to you SoCal, and no one else on this blog).

Finally, the fact that YOU "think" I am going "in the wrong direction" is as good evidence as I can think of that I am going in the right direction.

Personally speaking mikeH, those are only your opinions, I wish you well in being better informed than I. Again, my opinion is that YOU are headed in the wrong direction and that GPS's will be going on sale starting this Sunday.
I'm going to bed now, got to be up at 4am.
Thanks for a good nights blog.

This is the most accurate summation of this past election I have come across since election day.....

"[Obama] is merely a strutting, status-emitting alpha male who got lucky enough to discover an electorate in estrus during his run for power."

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The rest of the piece is pretty on target, titled, "Must Conservatives Rally Round the Messiah?"

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/must-conservatives-rally-round-the-messiah/