"Which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow?"

Not one person I work with has EVER brought up a story from Countdown.

Thanks for using my artwork, Johnny. I love it. And after foolishly looking at Thursday's transcript, he also besmirched an icon by the name of Steve Kroft. "...poor Steve Kroft..." Kroft and the Olbsession were *news* reporters in Miami in the late '70s and at CBS in the '80s.

Pretty much bet the house that he's going rip the GOP for knocking Obama's choice for the Supreme Court seat. Stating how qualified and cause she's minority and how she judges on "feeling" instead of by the book, which is what you really should do, but Obama is just trying to make a name for himself on this matter.

All they have to do is show that cases she sent up to the court were shot down three out of four times.

I like countdung's statement about does really anyone talk about the stories he mentions on Countdown? Probably not.

The only story people are really talking about is what an idiot Olbermann made of himself the night before.

Friday's ratings are out. Poor Skeebermann (I'm not besmirching him by calling him poor) couldn't even beat an O'Reilly rerun. At 8:00, it was the usual second place finish in total viewers and third place finish in the 25-54 and 35-64 demo (though tied for second with Nancy Grace in 35-64). At 10:00, Keith came in third to Jamie Colby (filling in for Greta) in total viewers and fourth in the 25-54 demo. Yet, somehow, he took second, albeit distantly, in the 35-64.

Wasn't around Friday night.

Looking at the numbers from Friday I see Olby got beat once again by 'The Factor'.

But I read that it was a total 'repeat' Factor, no live sub. Was This true?

If it is, 'pretty sweet'!

Also looks like Nancy Grace knocked Dopey around too.

Wasn't around Friday night.

Looking at the numbers from Friday I see Olby got beat once again by 'The Factor'.

But I read that it was a total 'repeat' Factor, no live sub. Was This true?

If it is, 'pretty sweet'!

Also looks like Nancy Grace knocked Dopey around too.

As Andy Levy might put it :

That‘s COUNTDOWN for this the 24,624TH days since the previous Democratic vice president Henry Wallace allowed 2,117 deaths at Pearl Harbor.

Thanks Mike.

Again, pretty sweet!

When I heard that Madcow was on I thought...wow, Rachel got an extra hour. But you know MSNBC paid Madcow out the butt to get him on there. You can bet, that if...and IF, Madcow had come through it and said it wasn't bad, you know damned well, Olbermann and crew wouldn't even have him on the show, let alone the network. It's just one person, who happened to be known, and who decided what the hell...and tried it, that Olbermann is wheeling him out there.

FUCK MANCOW, FUCK HIM UP HIS GAY FUCKING ASS! FUCKING TRAITOR! YOU GO ON OLBY AND YOU SUCK HIS DICK! FUCK YOU AND YOUR LIBERAL SHOW!

ASSHOLE!

GO TO HELL ALONG WITH THAT OTHER FUCKING TRAITOR COLIN POWELL!

I'm sick of this shit!

It's *Mancow*...though it's more like Traitor and Judas.

Next time you hear a Liberal try to praise Sotomayor as a bipartisan pick because George H.W. Bush appointed her to the federal bench, keep this in mind:

http://bench.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MThhNDQ0MTgyYTMxYWUwYzNjMmNmMzE2OGFiMDg5M2M=

Bush didn't want to pick her, but the White House had a deal with the New York senators that let the Democrat senator pick one of every four New York district court judges. Moynihan wanted Sotomayor, and the White House resisted, but let her through as part of a deal to allow other Bush judicial picks to get confirmed; Moynihan was holding up the vote.

See, Liberal BS in full play even back in 1991.

I love it. A re-run of The Factor beat Olby Friday night.

Mancow...WTF??? I sent him an email last week practically begging him to rip into Olby. I even presented him with facts, quotes, clips, ect. Then he goes on as if he is Olby's best friend.

I just sent him another email but it only contained 1 word: P*ssy.

I hope Manfag and Olby well in their gay marriage. The two scumbags deserve each other.

And he names Laura as WPitW. What a scumbag.

I guess you could say that Mancow's waterboarding was an unintentional progressive baptism. When he agreed it was torture [Ding!], the conversion was complete. Sorry to see him go.

9:27 & 9:31 regarding Mancow and being waterborded (well sort of, anyway):

- "I just sent him another email but it only contained 1 word: P*ssy"
&
1 ""I hope Manfag and Olby well in their gay marriage. The two scumbags deserve each other."

Lets see now, are you two angry because:

1 - Waterboarding really is torture and one of your own just confirmed it?
2 - The man has made the laudable decision to be honest about something he ridiculed before actually trying it?
3 - You two actually be;lieve you could handle it yourselves?
4 - You think that he should have lied about it just to protect your fallacy based belief system?

The truth is that tThe more people like you rant, the shriller you sound!

Truth clearly means nothing to you.

Birds of a feather Olby and Mancow.

I doubt Mancow got paid a lot of M.O.N.E.Y. to show up since like Olby, this guy has been a whore for ratings forever.

He tried to be a Howard Stern wannabe. (that failed)

Then he tried to become an anti-Stern Consevative (that failed)

If you look on his website his syndicated morning show is mostly on channels that have trouble getting around the block. (like am-1470).

Didn't he have a spot on F&F for awhile? (guess that failed too.)

I guess now he will become a 'Born-Again' 'Seen The Light' Liberal.

Whores will try anything to get you're attention.

Just in case........why......but here.......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mancow_Muller

Or in regards to this Mancow nonsense, one could also bring up the point that enhanced interrogation methods do in fact work and work quickly. It took the sniveling weakling 6 seconds to make an extreme left turn in his thinking, imagine how quickly it got valuable information out of the terrorists. They can call it torture or whatever they like, but their little experiment backfired and proved that it does work. In essence, they "tortured" Mancow into giving them the lip service they so desired, and in doing so proved that waterboarding IS effective.

As for Sotomayor, "The O'Reilly Factor" assessment (in Part 1 of Is It Legal) was she's an activist judge on racial issues, but tough on crime.

That's an excellent point, Rob.

Conservative.....how did I miss that.

rob573: "one could also bring up the point that enhanced interrogation do in fact work quickly.": But that ISN:T an established fact at all. In fact, more experts believe it doesn't work reliably than those who do. But the main problem with that line of reasoning is that whether or not it works is irrelevant.

Rob573: "It took the sniveling weakling 6 seconds to make an extreme left turn in his thinking,": Yeah I understand, it's pretty damned esay to deny reality if you don't have to prove you wouldn't be a "sniveling weakling" yourself under the same conditions.

Rob573: "imagine how quickly it got valuable information out of the terrorists": Or more liklely jus dead ends.

Rob573: "They call it torture or whatever they like": They "call it torture" That's because it IS torture. The Geneva convention and current law has already settled that point. You just don't get to redefine, change the law, or change your principals just because it is becomes convenient.

Rob573: "but their little experament backfired and proved it works": Wrong on two counts (1) - Nothing was proven except that it is torture (again), but there is no proof that whateve information yoi do get is reliable. (2) - Once again, it doesn't matter whether it "works" or not. So where would you draw the line based on that arguement....pulling out fingernails?.....the rack?.....hanging them up by their toenails?

So Mancow proved that he is a "sniveling weakling" and that waterboarding works in the same six seconds?

Do you always talk out of both sides of your mouth?

If Girlycow was tortured last week shouldn't he be limping because his genitals are sore or have a cast where his bones were broken? Shouldn't there be bandages for the new wounds like around one of his fingernails? Did he show Olby the burn marks or the drilled holes in his teeth?

He was speaking coherently minutes after he was "tortured" and he didn't seem to be in any pain tonight. Weird.

Gosh MikeC, for someone with a history of running like a scared baby when you are confronted on this blog, you sure are dismissive about torture.

All that comment needed was "Toccata and Fugue in D Minor" playing underneath it. Oops, there's another "temper tantrum" from me. :D

And that comment, too. "Gosh, Billy [Ding!]..."

I think you are overlooking a point that Mancow made that he would confess to anything. Which is a monumental statement, if you ask me. I've never tried it so I can't say for certain, but if I were hypothetically a captured terrorist and I was being waterboarded (a.k.a. tortured), I would say whatever they wanted me to say, whether it be true or not, just to make it stop. And that is why while it can be effective some of the time (if the terrorist says the truth), waterboarding is not the most effective way to get information. People will say anything to get out of it, regardless of its veracity. Or if I was falsely accused and I were being waterboarded. I would confess to some random terror plot if it were the only means of getting the waterboarding to stop.

And as stupid as this sounds, I have to agree with MikeH a bit. Mancow was man enough to the challenge and said what he believes to be the truth. And no, Mancow is not a traitor for voluntarily being waterboarded and admitting it was torture and then discussing it on Keith Olbermann's show. It's called honesty and humility, and frankly, it should be applauded.

At least you haven't mocked us, Steven. Thank you. :)

MikeC: "At least you haven't mocked us, Steven. Thank you. :)

And the only reason I mocked anyone is because you were calling a someone man enough to do what Mancow did things like "P*ssy" and "sniveling weakling"

Hypocritical things like that deserve be mocked every time!

Look here....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfo8wJS0O8s

FNC gave him a show! Guess it didn't last long.

You heard it here first, but take it to the bank. Muller will whore himself to Keith and the suits at MSNBC for the 10:00 pm slot or Ed's slot when he gets tossed.

Great move FNC, you give this guy a shot, but you ban Jerry Doyle. Sometimes even the #1 cable news outlet can throw one high and outside.

But MSNBC still leads the league in foulballs!

www.jerrydoyle.com

GARIBALDI RULES!

With the putting of the words in my mouth already.

The above comment is what I get for listening to Steve Somers on WFAN-AM. :D

MikeC: "With the putting of the words in my mouth already."

I didn't have to put words in your moutn, you did it yourself. You agreed with Rob, who called Mancow a "sniveling weakling", by saying he made an "excellent point.

Another thing you are mistaken about is your apparent belief that waterboarding is a "progressive" issue. I would call it more of a regressive issue since it has been considered torture ever since we signed on to the Geneva Convention and tried Japanese troops for doing it to our troops.

There is nothing "progressive" about being against torture....just pro-Americanism!

I would be sorry if my comments were interpreted as mocking. I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me, I just occasionally enjoy expressing my views. :)

You anti-water boarders are really missing the point. This technique was used on THREE terrorists and it yielded valuable and verifiable information that actually saved American lives. So, whether it works generally is a moot point because in this instance it did. Release the un-redacted memos for proof.

No one is missing your point Scrappy. You don't compromise your priinciples SOME of the time just because they have seemingly become nconvient.

That, by definition, is something we call moral relativism, which is something conservatives USED to cite their being against as fundamental within their belief system.

Finally, you can't prove it works....and I am quite convinced Dick Cheney couldn't either, even if he had the memos he craves.

And in this case it might have worked. But it should not be something that the U.S. uses constantly for true information cannot be guaranteed. I guess I should have made that point clearer.

And just as a belated follow-up to Mike C. (he'll understand what I am talking about), I have been occasionally watching Bill O'Reilly and I do see what you are saying when you call him fair and balanced, to borrow the FNC slogan. I do not always agree with his assessments (which sort of explain why I do watch Olbermann because even though his journalistic ethics, if you will, on many fronts are less than what is to be desired in a host who has an 8 PM show on one of the major cable news networks in America, I do in a large part share his political views), but O'Reilly is not what Keith Olbermann makes him out to be and even though like I mentioned I do disagree with him at times, his shows have been enjoyable to watch and it is now quite clear to me why he is number 1 in cable news.

Muller had a poll on his show who should get waterboarded, he lost. He didn't man up to the challange. Again if you LOOK at his history, he's tries stunts that backfire. A Whore for ratings.

He lasted six seconds? Well, get the board and the water. If I last seven+ seconds, then I guess I'm a bigger man than Muller. Right? Oh! That's right. I have to say "TORTURE".

It would'nt have mattered if Muller would have lasted 6 secs. or 16 or 26 or 36. As soon as he said 'Torture' that was the buzz word.

I really don't know which ones are the bigger fools here. Those that thought he was a 'Conservative', or those that think he's now seen the light.

He is somebody that has done 'Radio Stunts' without knowing the consequences because all that he cared about was ratings. He has costed radio stations money & been in trouble with FCC. But now, he's a Man because he lasted six seconds and was honest about something that he had to do because he lost a poll.

Olby, Mandow & Madcow.

I don't think with the total IQ of those three you could come up with a decent bowling average.

WAIT! Olby thought having this guy on would be a ratings smash? Well, I guess Dr. Savage is right " Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder".

I leave you with this gem when he got bounced from Q101FM in Chicago July 2006.

Marv Nyren, Vice President and General Manager of Emmis Radio, in Chicago, "We’ve decided that the time has come for us to develop a morning show that will better serve the needs and sensibilities of this audience."

Sensibilities, get it?

thank you and good night.

But the main problem with that line of reasoning is that whether or not it works {torture} is irrelevant...our very own "irrelevant" MikeH

That could be the most ridiculous comment ever made on this site. The ape ruler would be so proud. So if it works and saves thousands of American lives...according to the All-American MikeH...it is irrelevant. That's just great. Preserving an image to monsters who's full intent is to wipe us off the face of the planet is much MORE important than actually saving thousands of American lives.

Now that we have a president who wants to spread flowers instead of fear into our enemies I feel much safer. Too bad his message hasn't gotten to Kim Jong or Ahmadinejad yet. But then again, maybe it has, as one is testing nukes faster than a bag lady collecting butts, while the other is determined to continue with developing nukes.

Ah, what the hell it's all irrelevant anyway.

By MikeH on May 26, 2009 11:26 PM

Finally, you can't prove it works....

Really? Then why was Mancow on 'Countdown'?

Because he laid on the board like he was taking a shower, and he didn't give up s**t?????????

and I am quite convinced Dick Cheney couldn't either, even if he had the memos he craves.

Mikey!!!!!!!!

Cheney wanted the Memos released. It seems to me that if those memos PROVED that it didn't work. Pelosi, Obama, Reid, Durbin, whoever would have ran onto MSNBC too make Cheney look like a fool.

I refer all to the Dr. Savage quote I posted earlier....

Was anyone crippled for life like our good senator McCain? "Progressive" Nancy Pelosi and her Dem ilk didn't think water boarding was torture but somehow the Reps have breached their fundamental beliefs. Wow.

The Japanese argument is moot.

From historian Chalmers Johnson: "It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimized. The Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced laborers — and, in the case of the Japanese, as [forced] prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not Russia) you faced a 4% chance of not surviving the war; [by comparison] the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30%".
DID THEY WATER BOARD THESE HUMANS TO DEATH? And how did they water board them as it obviously lead to death. No doctor around I guess.

MikeH. is quite convinced water boarding didn't work. Evidentially he's read the memo's BHO refuses to release in his "new transparency" government. Well MikeH. BHO doesn't have to worry if it worked or not because he hasn't outlawed rendition - he'll let some other country water board the bastards.

By MikeH on May 26, 2009 9:51 PM

9:27 & 9:31 regarding Mancow and being waterborded (well sort of, anyway):

- "I just sent him another email but it only contained 1 word: P*ssy"

MikeH,

Do you even read my comments??? You are just like Olby or maybe you are his long lost half brother. It had NOTHING TO DO WITH WATER BOARDING. He had a great opportunity to set the record straight. A chance to confront all his lies, hypocrisy and double standards. A chance to prove that he can't rationally debate any subject with anyone without being made to look like a fool because when you present Olby with facts, much like yourself, their whole argument falls apart.

So outside of Mancow and naming Laura Ingraham Worst, what else happened tonight?

You're right Brad, that's why I used Girlycow. Not because of the water boarding thing but because he was on Countdown. I wouldn't mind at all had he gone on Bill's show and made his case. In fact it would be interesting considering the way Bill feels. But, he decided to make a deal with the devil and I believe it was for allot of moola. If anybody was actually interested in the story (check ratings) they could prove me wrong.

6 SECONDS!?!?!?!?!
SIX SECONDS?!?!?!?!
tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick!!?!?!??!??!

brad90956, let's be open and honest about this for ol' Mike H:

The word is PUSSY! It's like he's now "Dicklesscow." Neither word sufficiently describes the sissified "cow"ard or his new buddy, Assholebermann.

6 effin' SECONDS????? PUSSY!

Sorry, I'm so pissed at these hand wringing "old woman" types that I'm losin' it..........Lord have mercy.....

strikes, they say the average man lasts 14 seconds so Mancow is only a little less than a half an average man

i don't know how i would do so i have to give him credit for trying

his real drowning comes from going on odormann's

i'll reserve judgement until i hear from Katy Tur

Posts on previous threads easily debunk what MikeHypocrite cites above and yet, once again, the same coward chooses to post and flee.

Let me try again.....

First request for MikeHypocrite, please post a FACTUAL and RELIABLE source for this claim: "In fact, more experts believe it doesn't work reliably than those who do."

If one is not forthcoming we know, once again, MikeHypocrite is taking (stealing), as usual, from anti-America leftist websites.

Second request....Regarding the memos that Cheney claims shows information useful in protecting innocents from terrorist was obtained using the technique called waterboarding; Why is this memo not being released by Obama? What motive would there be in not allowing the public to see the results of this EIT?

Oh boy....will the responses be posed or will he run from me once again....MikeHypocrite is a coward.

It's too easy......

He also claims the moral high ground with this inane statement in his last sanctimonious post, "You don't compromise your priinciples [sp] SOME of the time just because they have seemingly become nconvient [sp]."

Sure, so torturers go free from justice, their victims do not see their suffering answered for by our justice system under Obama...Why not?

Along with the rest of the left, MikeHypocrite is using "torture" as a political weapon despite the implications on real world issues like protecting the innocent from violence and the free from despotism.

Just like his sanctimonious arguments regarding the war in Iraq, MikeHyporcrite plays with fire using foreign policy as a political wedge to advance personal polititcal agendas. Even now, as the very people who promised swift resolution of "torture," including justice regarding its use by Americans so that the world would know we as a nation, "DO NOT CONDONE TORTURE," back off in prosecuting and holding accountable people they believe broke the law, MikeHypocrite still tries to claim the moral high ground....

Just like the Iraq War, let's see "the rubber hit the road," so to speak, MikeHypocrite....

I said "CUT THE FUNDS," if as you claimed, the Iraq war was immoral and illegal because it was based "on lies"...I said pull those troops out NOW, force Bush's hand by stopping the funding....RECALL, IT NEVER HAPPENED because you and the anti-America left never actually believed the rhetoric but only saw it as a means to gain political power...What I predicted in 2005 is being proven true now as those very same political elite continue the war, with billions more for the same purposes. Now, there is word that Americans will stay ing Iraq for at least 10 years....Obama seems prepared to break his promise. I also recall predictions from MikeHypocrite that Iraq will continue to deteriorate because of the composition of their religious and ethnic regions....It seems the left's political class see it differently now and are basically doing as Bush did all along...protecting the democracy that was formed with the removal of the terrorist supporting despot, Saddam Hussein. 4 years later, and I am still RIGHT!

I say now, "PROSECUTE THE TORTURERS," if, as you claim, people were illegally treated with brutality and disrespect....start those investigations now with the intention of prosecutions. Get those witnesses ready to go under oath and tell of their mistreatment under Bush/Cheney...IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN because you and the anti-America left don't actually believe this rhetoric but only see it as a means to gain political power....As all of those lawyers, good Americans in the CIA and our armed forces continue to hear what they did was ILLEGAL torture without a day in court, I know I was right once again. The left and their political class want an ISSUE, not justice for some principle they say they hold while the opposition condones illegality and mistreatment.

As an example of this prediction, see Nacy Pelosi's behavior and how Panetta and Obama responded....Nancy started to try to peel away at the torturing CIA's CYA behavior, but the power now in The White House wants a different tact....now she is SILENT along with the rest of the left....Oh well...speaking truth to power is secondary to PERSONAL POLITICAL CONSIDERATIONS like keeping the speakership.

Obama and the entire left's ruling class is playing a political game with our national security and it will reap dangerous and deadly results in the coming decades.

For "journalists," silly games like interviewing people who have been water boarded is cowardly and inefffective.....HOLD THE POWERFUL TO THEIR DUTY if this is really an issue of principle! Where is the indignation over Obama not announcing DOD and DOJ independent council investigations into the use of illegal techniques by government officials? The congress is under TOTAL democrat party control, the anti-America left's political class has total say if they start investigations and hearings that bring the tortured to testify and get to justice for them.

Furthermore regarding speaking truth to power....where is the indignation and call from the left over Obama's policy that may "legally excuse" indefinite detention of terror suspects without charges being filed....THE LOSS OF HABEAS CORPUS? Where is the indignation or call to stop Obama from keeping our men and women in uniform in harms way in the illegal war in Iraq where the left claimed we could pull out without worrying about it while Bush was President? How about the bombing of civilians in Afghanistan...Bush was labeled a war criminal by the left for the very same activity Obama is now executing.

Those above questions for the Olbermann defender MikeHypocrite will go unanswered because he is a coward and chooses his own strawmen to answer....Big man!

Hypocrisy is so easy to see here with the church of SNOBamessiah, and that's just with national security issues....How about economic issues? Nevermind MikeHypocrisy's problem with his posts here about Bush using debt for a war while now he does not complain about Obama's uses of debt that is multiple times more and will grow for decades to come.

What a shame that the Olbermann defender coward shows you all who he really is with the silly posts last night....It would have been better he remained silent and kept at least a small amount of some respect.

VERO POSSUMUS! WTF?

A question for those who are against harsh interrogation tactics, or as the media calls it, torture.

First of all, the water boarding technique was used on three high profile terrorist prisoners who had intel on future attacks, and other techniques had failed to get the information. The attacks were thwarted, and American lives were saved according to those who know what's in the memos which as yet have not been released by the White House.

Here's the question. If YOUR child was in a terrorist target and water boarding was the only way to get the intel needed to save the life of your child, would you approve of the technique? I can't believe that anyone would sacrifice their own child to avoid the discomfort of a terrorist who would kill their child without a second thought.

ANYONE who opposes water boarding of high profile terrorists to PREVENT an attack, apparently doesn't care if your child is killed. When a terrorist attack kills Americans, someone's child is killed. All those who perished on 9/11 were somebody's children. If water boarding a terrorist could have prevented 9/11, who would say no? Would you?

afotia1020, don't confuse demogogues like Olbermann and MikeH with facts!

"....the next of the justifications for disclosing and thus abandoning these measures: that they don't work anyway, and that those who are subjected to them will simply make up information in order to end their ordeal. This ignorant view of how interrogations are conducted is belied by both experience and common sense. If coercive interrogation had been administered to obtain confessions, one might understand the argument. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM), who organized the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, among others, and who has boasted of having beheaded Daniel Pearl, could eventually have felt pressed to provide a false confession. But confessions aren't the point. Intelligence is. Interrogation is conducted by using such obvious approaches as asking questions whose correct answers are already known and only when truthful information is provided proceeding to what may not be known. Moreover, intelligence can be verified, correlated and used to get information from other detainees, and has been; none of this information is used in isolation.

"The terrorist Abu Zubaydah (sometimes derided as a low-level operative of questionable reliability, but who was in fact close to KSM and other senior al Qaeda leaders) disclosed some information voluntarily. But he was coerced into disclosing information that led to the capture of Ramzi bin al Shibh, another of the planners of Sept. 11, who in turn disclosed information which -- when combined with what was learned from Abu Zubaydah -- helped lead to the capture of KSM and other senior terrorists, and the disruption of follow-on plots aimed at both Europe and the U.S. Details of these successes, and the methods used to obtain them, were disclosed repeatedly in more than 30 congressional briefings and hearings beginning in 2002, and open to all members of the Intelligence Committees of both Houses of Congress beginning in September 2006. Any protestation of ignorance of those details, particularly by members of those committees, is pretense.

"The techniques themselves were used selectively against only a small number of hard-core prisoners who successfully resisted other forms of interrogation, and then only with the explicit authorization of the director of the CIA. Of the thousands of unlawful combatants captured by the U.S., fewer than 100 were detained and questioned in the CIA program. Of those, fewer than one-third were subjected to any of the techniques discussed in these opinions. As already disclosed by Director Hayden, as late as 2006, even with the growing success of other intelligence tools, fully half of the government's knowledge about the structure and activities of al Qaeda came from those interrogations.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123993446103128041.html

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It seems that there is evidence that the enhanced interrogation technique called "waterboarding" was very useful in a limited situation in keeping our fellow citizens safe after 9/11. MikeH, Olbermann and Obama would keep that evidence away from the American people. How can such a position be considered "superior?"

Let's have ALL of the memos and unredacted data that is needed to know whether these techniques "worked." Why the hesitation?

"Experts" giving their opinion on whether intelligence garnered from appressive interogation some decry as torture is not enough, and "NEVER," is a very hard word to live up to! Also, I would like to see the numbers MikeH is talking about...you know, the numbers of experts who believe it does not work being higher than those who believe it does work....

I'll be waiting.

I've got two comments regarding Mancow's appearance on The Propaganda Hour.

First, I have no problem with him showing up there. He wanted to debate Goebells-Olbermann on other issues. During the first minute, Mancow mentioned that waterboarding was torture then said, "let's fight" (meaning debate.) Of course, Goebells-Olbermann is a pussy and knows he'd get his ass kicked in any debate, so he continued with waterboarding.

Second, I wonder whether Goebells-Olbermann will mention that Derr Furher Obama is also torturing captured prisoners, except he's sending them to other countries (who probably torture far worse than waterboarding.) Here's a link discussing Obama's outsourcing of torture.

http://enduringamerica.com/2009/02/02/obama-outsourcing-torture/

MikeH's sanctimonious claims above are in stark contrast to the left's acceptance of people being tortured by "other countries." Recall in another thread I posted Jonathan Alter's piece back in 2001 that shows the frank hypocrisy of people like him, MikeH, Obama and Olbermann:

"Some torture clearly works. Jordan broke the most notorious terrorist of the 1980s, Abu Nidal, by threatening his family. Philippine police reportedly helped crack the 1993 World Trade Center bombings (plus a plot to crash 11 U.S. airliners and kill the pope) by convincing a suspect that they were about to turn him over to the Israelis. Then there's painful Islamic justice, which has the added benefit of greater acceptance among Muslims.

"We can't legalize physical torture; it's contrary to American values. But even as we continue to speak out against human-rights abuses around the world, we need to keep an open mind about certain measures to fight terrorism, like court-sanctioned psychological interrogation. And we'll have to think about transferring some suspects to our less squeamish allies, even if that's hypocritical. Nobody said this was going to be pretty."

http://www.newsweek.com/id/76304/page/2

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So, that leaves the POLITICAL calculus leftist shills like Olbermann pursue and it was on clear display last night on COUNTDOWN. Oh, the hypocrisy.

Dick Cheney has been CONSISTANT and not hypocritical in his desire and apparant success in protecting this country from another 9/11. Compare his ADULT behavior to that of the children...the members of the church of SNOBamessiah.

VERO POSSUMUS! WTF?

I very much enjoy Keith's take on these matters. It reminds me of the kid who is trailing by a few hundred yards behind in a foot race, who's shouts are barely discernible. He's harping on points that have gotten so flat, with the mindset that if he, and he alone can define waterboarding as torture, then he will be hailed by the far left as the figure who made all their dreams come true.

This "Mancow", is as you say chasing the publicity, hoping for another go in the spotlight. He will fade as quickly as he has risen.

This decision is not up to Mancow, or Olbermann, or anyone to say, whether they have been waterboarded or not. O'reilly or any real journalist could find hundreds of Marines and Military Servicemen and women who have been through the procedure and not consider it torture. Again, hence my analogy to his trailing in the race for success, he is simply far behind the reasoning of people who actually get it. (Not to mention the brilliant comparison to the ratings as well).

Let's hope, and quite frankly just accept and know, that each of his shows will make reference to this topic, for quite some time. That each time Cheney speaks, that he will be the entire topic of the show. As he continues to provide follow ups with absolutely zero response from any opposing political position to all of these occurrences, I say we just grab some popcorn and enjoy the unintelligible. The American people who are starting to sprout up in droves as libertarians and real conservatives will see directly through not only Olbermann, but the liberal media and blogosphere that provides him with his countdown each night. There will be a sharp decline in the ratings from the poor performance they are at currently, and Olbermann will disappear like bottle of Goose at a Frat Party...

A midday chuckle.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6duTolZMGmI

Why the 'whys' have it

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"In the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln was offered the use of a bullet that exploded inside the body, doing the victim incredible damage. Lincoln approved it: It would shorten the war. For the same reason - to shorten the war – President Harry S Truman incinerated not one but two Japanese cities. Neither man is considered a war criminal (except by Bill Maher), as they took some lives to save more lives, specifically those entrusted to them, and to preserve a political system less unjust than the ones they were fighting.

"Their guilt is absolved by their intent, which was to save lives, and a more benign social order. Yet liberals, who apply the motive defense in trying to exonerate perpetrators of criminal violence - the accused was stressed out, he ate Twinkies, he was deprived as a child, etc. - seem strangely unwilling to extend this to those who made use of 'harsh' tactics to forestall further attacks after thousands had perished in the most torturous manner on Sept. 11, 2001.

"'The horror of Sept. 11 resides in me like a dormant pathogen,' writes Richard Cohen, shortly before comparing George Bush to a Nazi for trying to make sure such a horror would never recur. 'Here, once again, were the squalid efforts of legal toadies to justify the unjustifiable,' as he informs us. 'I know it is offensive to compare almost anyone or anything to the Nazis, but the Bush-era memos struck me as echoes from the past.'

"But the Nazis' intent was to invade countries and subjugate and degrade whole populations, set up death camps where as many as 11 million civilians would perish, and orchestrate the elimination through starvation and torture of the ethnically impure from the universe. The intent of Bush and his people in water-boarding three hard core terrorists was to prevent another 9/11, that was sprung on his unaware and his innocent country.

"Surely, even a liberal, from the height of his rarified thinking, can wrap his brain around that."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/columns/NoemieEmery/Why-the-whys-have-it-46226667.html

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No, they can't because many liberals do not approach this debate with good intentions or an open mind.....It is a part of their "agenda" to marginalize and demonize an opposing force for personal political advantage.

Olbermann is the perfect example of the intellectually dishonest, narcissistic and selfish force that is now acceptable to many in our country.

VERO POSSUMUS! WTF?